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How Do You Drew Episode 133 – Santa Clarita Diet, Season 1 Episode 1

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I’m Anne and I’m Ashley, and this
week we are discussing for the

very first time, Santa Clarita
Diet Season 1 Episode 1.

Yes, summer series.
Yes.

And if you don’t know, this is
a TV show.

We’re going to get into it, but
this is something we’ve only

done one other time.
Yeah.

Oh my gosh, crazy.
OK, so before we jump fully

this, like we said, this is our
summer series.

These episodes are going to be a
little lighter at the top.

But I do have just like one
thing because we teased it last

episode, my new exciting
acquisition for the Drewseum.

So I got in the mail yesterday
and these are, and our Patreon

members can see the video.
This is a contact sheet from

Drew’s photo shoot for Interview
magazine in 1982 with the

photographer Ara Gallant.
I hope I’m saying that

correctly.
And so it’s like, how many 12

little outtakes of her 7 year
old self being so cute and such

a little sweet ham and having a
blast.

Yeah.
And you know what’s crazy?

Ohh.
And it has his stamp on the

back, which I was like, yes.
That’s so cool.

Like the archive stamp or
something?

Yeah, so I was like gonna do
like a little video for

Instagram or something and then
I don’t think I have the 82

interview.
I think I’m still missing that

in my collection.
Interesting.

I know I like looked in the
places where it would be and I

wasn’t feeling 100% confident
that I had it.

And I think only you have it so.
Interesting.

It’s so it’s so like rare that
we have like missing pieces in

the magazine parts of our
collection on the other side.

But there are definitely big
holes in mind because I’m like

Ashley has it.
It’s OK.

Yeah, that’s pretty why I’ve
always been like, well, I’ll get

it eventually, but Anne has it,
so it’s OK.

That’s funny.
Well, you have these incredible

outtakes, this contact sheet
now.

Them up again, they’re really
cool and they came from a rare

bookstore and they had gotten
them directly from a photo

agency that closed down.
So and then before that I’m

guessing like Ara’s collection
sent them there.

I don’t know, right?
Yeah, donated them there or, or

they are like copies of them for
the photo agency.

Like, I have no idea how those
things worked when it was

analogue.
That’s true.

You know, ’cause now it’s like
those would be on Getty Images

or whatever.
That was the photo agency they.

Totally would so really cool
the.

Scan of this I assume will be on
the Jersey M soon.

Yep, when I get to it.
By the time this comes out, they

should definitely be up there.
Yes, but it’s it’s fun because I

don’t know, the Drewseum is such
a big part of what we do and

what we’ve come here to do.
Like, yeah, ultimately.

And so, yeah, highlighting it at
the top is fun.

So yay for any opposition.
All right, now let’s get down to

bloody business.
Let’s do it.

Let’s get into the fun of this.
Like literally like a horror

comedy TV show.
Yeah.

It’s so fun.
Another little thing before we

jump, actually jump in, we are
going to be doing Season 1 of

Santa Clarita Diet, which is
from 2017.

Drew goes kind of into
hibernation during the summer

anyway, and the Drew Barrymore
Show is in reruns.

So we will be recording a lot of
these early and banking the

episodes and we’re then
releasing them over the next few

weeks.
So basically our summer series

will be all recorded ahead and
banked.

So we won’t have like a lot of
the things at the top of the

episode.
We’re just going to get right

into it.
So it’s like similar to what we

did with 2000 Malibu Rd., which
was Drews only other TV show.

So yeah, so we did the all of
those episodes, although that

was only one season.
Sad.

Yeah, that was an easier one for
sure.

Yes.
So check out our episodes about

if you want to see kind of

another fun thing.
And I think those are on

YouTube, right?
I think that’s how we watched

them.
Yes, but last I checked, some of

them were missing, so shoot,
yeah, kind of crazy.

And Speaking of 2000 Malibu Rd.
erasure, during press for Santa

Clarita Diet, there was a lot of
things saying this is Drew

Barrymore’s first time ever
being in a TV show.

Drew herself literally said,
I’ve never done a TV show.

I’m like, what?
We have the records, girl.

We do.
We deep dove into those like no

one ever had before, I’m sure.
Into that what did we call the

ocean in that Oh, my beach
water?

Beach water.
The Malibu beach water.

That’s right.
OK, let’s go to a different part

of of California.
So for the IMDb description for

the show, it says Sheila and
Joel are married real estate

agents who live and work in
Santa Clarita, CA.

When Sheila dies, their lives
take a dark turn.

Doesn’t sound as funny as it is,
no.

Doesn’t.
All right, so let’s kind of this

episode because we’re doing, you
know, the very beginning, we are

going to talk about sort of the
production and all those things,

you know, get all those notes
out of the way, the behind the

scenes information.
So this will be heavy on the biz

exactly.
And then going forward, we’ll

just be covering like the rest
of the episodes of Santa Clarita

Diet.
So the show was announced by

Netflix on March 18th, 2016.
And I found that date kind of

interesting because as we will
discuss more, Drew’s divorce

from Will Kopelman had a big
part in this production for her.

Why she said yes, how it
affected her.

But this announcement comes like
a full, you know, like the month

before their announcement of
splitting up comes.

So I mean, that makes sense.
Like they didn’t divorce

overnight.
Right, they were like in the

works, but.
It was obviously in the works.

Yeah.
Anyway, back to the

announcement.
So the press release.

I love this quote.
This comes from Cindy Holland,

who was the Netflix vice
president of original content.

She said the genius casting of
Timothy Olyphant and Drew,

combined with Victor Fresco, the
director, and his unique comedic

sensibility will delight and
definitely surprise our members

around the world.
And I, you know, just reading

that right now off the top of my
head, I kind of remember it was

sort of, it sort of was a little
under wraps what the show was

about for a while.
I feel like even the teasers and

we’ll talk about those were like
they weren’t coming out and

saying exactly like that.
She’s basically a zombie and

eats humans.
Yes, just funny.

It is funny.
So Drew had not really been

acting much since having her
kids.

So this was like sort of a
comeback in a little bit of a

way.
And she was going through Lilla

and she was going through a
really hard time.

You just mentioned in her life
because personally, she was

separating from her husband,
Will Kopelman, at the time that

like her kids dad.
Yeah.

But she said, I read the script
and it made me laugh and I was

going through some dark stuff.
So it was exactly what I needed.

Life so complicated sometimes
humor and laughter should be the

only deciding factor.
And when you’re going through a

divorce and things are falling
apart, you feel like a failure.

I had gained 20 lbs.
I’d let myself go.

I really had.
Everything I had planned was

suddenly turned on its head.
So maybe what I really needed

was to play a zombie and laugh
about it.

So yeah, she it was like an
escape, like an absolute.

Escape for her.
I mean, we’re going to have so

many times that she says similar
things to that.

This was like a godsend in a lot
of ways for what she was going

through.
And she also said that she,

like, again, felt so lucky that
this came at a time in her life

when she really needed it.
She said quote.

It took me out of my shit and
made me a happier person.

Oh, and another thing that she
mentioned liking about this was

that it has that similarity to
ET, where if something

fantastical takes place in your
backyard, like suburbia, you’re

going to relate to it a lot
more.

And then I like went down and I
was like, oh, Donnie Darko is

also very that right, like
everyday like.

Oh yeah.
And that’s that’s kind of why it

feels so AT in a way.
Yeah, that’s so interesting

because yeah, that is like,
that’s so different then like a

fantastical thing happening in a
place that’s already fantastical

or something like New York City
and like Godzilla or something.

I don’t know.
It’s like something coming into

your world and like this, this
is intimate in the same way that

like those are too where it’s
like in your home.

So it’s not in the.
Backyard neighborhood.

Oh, the backyard is very
specific to, like, ET showing

up.
And like, you know, spoiler, the

first kill that Sheila does is
also in her backyard.

Yeah.
It’s like, literally the

backyard.
That’s kind of funny.

OK.
It is funny.

All right, so let’s talk.
Let’s talk about the main cast

and crew.
More biz, but important biz.

So the show was created and show
run by Victor Fresco.

He wanted to do a comedy that
had had life and death stakes.

This definitely does.
He was also interested in

focusing on empowerment and
narcissism, which that’s totally

fascinating.
But Sheila’s character, for

sure.
He said it in Santa Clarita,

which is just north of Los
Angeles, because it’s a middle

class like newer planned
community and the professional

organization of it was a nice
contrast to the chaos of what’s

happening in the character.
So there’s the it’s like a

backdrop that feels almost
neutral.

Yeah.
I guess.

Have you ever been there?
Santa Clarita?

I think so.
I feel like I’ve like driven

through it.
Jason’s mom’s place that she

lives, which is funny because we
talked about that when we did

Gun Crazy.
It’s like, right.

You kind of go through Santa
Clarita and like if you want to

go to like certain restaurants,
that’s where you go.

OK, so I’ve been there quite a
few times.

I still need to go see the
house, but I’ll get to it.

You will.
You’re going to be going back

there.
So you’ve spent more time there

than.
Yeah.

Yeah.
So you, you’ve witnessed the,

like true suburbia of Santa
Clarita.

Definitely.
Drew said she wanted to do the

series because of Victors
writing, she said.

Quote, I was so upset when I put
the script down because I liked

it so much.
She’s kind of like, I don’t want

to do this job, but shit, now I
have to.

She also mentioned that it was
like just this amazing challenge

because she had to learn so much
dialogue so quickly and talk at

these like, she’s like high
speeds because she said that it

had this unique comedy pace.
Like when you watch it, she said

you don’t really feel how fast
it is, but when you’re doing it,

like you have to keep up with
that.

Like boom boom boom.
It makes sense.

Like, yeah, in, like, I don’t
know, even just like movies

versus TV, it’s like, yeah, kind
of required almost, Drew said to

Victor when when she was
approached to do it, she said, I

was like, listen, I’m getting
divorced.

I’m 144 lbs, and I’m really not
in a great place.

So can I just be extremely frank
with you?

And I fell in love with Victor,
Yeah.

When I was feeling heavy and
nervous about things or

conveying tough stuff I was
going through, he made me feel

light about it in a really
Safeway.

Love that.
It’s interesting how many times

she’s used the word safe about
directors.

Like she needs to feel safe.
It feels like with the director,

Penny Marshall, as we talked
about last episode, not sure

that was safe.
I’m not sure.

Not sure.
She didn’t use that word.

She didn’t.
OK, so this is one of our lovely

Flower Films productions.
It was Co produced by Flower

along with a lot of other
people.

So Drew and then Chris Miller
and Ember Truesdell, who are all

OGs.
They’re all shown in Diary,

which we just talked about last
time.

That’s so cool.
They have executive producer

credits and Nancy has a regular
producer credit.

Someone needs to explain this to
us.

Yeah.
Like I don’t think Nancy was on

set like the other three were.
I don’t know if that’s a factor.

I I have no clue, but I’d really
like to understand it.

Yeah, and I feel like it’s very
like the reason why people get

those different credits is like
different depending on the

situation.
I I don’t.

Know totally, but we do get a
Flower Films logo at the end so

that that always makes me happy.
Yeah, totally.

Let’s get into Drew as Sheila.
We love Sheila, so her name is

Sheila Hammond, Drew said.
I think with Sheila, what I saw

and what I connected with was a
sense of purpose.

I needed that because I had lost
my way a little.

I had lost my confidence.
I’d given up my get up and go.

It was perfect timing and a
blessing to find a character

whose awakening equates with
your own.

When you’re going through a huge
change in life, you can grow and

rebuild together, and that was a
very significant personal need

in me.
I needed a goal that also makes.

Sense but it sad and happy
right?

Well, like, I’m glad she had
this as an outlet when she

needed it.
I think some people, cuz I’m

this way to like need a work
obligation.

Yeah, like an external
obligation to be set on you in

order to, like, get up and go to
get up and go.

Like, And Drew had worked like,
nonstop.

And at this point, she had like
made the choice not to work.

Yeah.
You know, it’s like and then

figured out like, no, I almost
like need the like the wheel to

keep turning.
I don’t know.

Roundy, Roundy, Roundy, Roundy.
Yeah, She also said that she

felt that Sheila needed to
remain likable.

So she felt this like,
responsibility to keep Sheila as

someone you would go on the ride
with, which makes a lot of sense

because like, she’s starting,
she’s going to do some things

that maybe are morally
questionable and you need to be

behind her.
Yes.

And she makes it like, like
there still is a human inside of

there even though, you know,
science, not scientifically,

even though technically there’s
not like, yeah, like they’re

still, Sheila is still there as
this likable person.

Yeah.
Yeah.

She also said that about
Sheila’s transformation

throughout the series.
She said this woman has this

awakening and I needed an
awakening.

So how about if we parallel our
awakenings and I kind of do this

bent down CRO magnon
evolutionary thing and by the

end she is erect.
No prosthetics, no gimmicks, all

attitudinal wardrobe.
I can go on this hard poor diet

and like, pluck a row of
eyebrows and lighten the hair a

little each episode.
The CRO magnon thing.

But that was really funny.
I remembered as we read that a

couple times she talked about
that same sort of process for

doing Bev aging and riding a
cars with boys.

Like she said she would keep
herself a little like hunched

over in when Bev is younger and
then by the end when she’s old

age of 35, that she’s like in
heels and like had better

pasture and like stood up
straighter.

So it’s kind of funny that she
equates that, but it makes

sense.
Yeah, You feel like if you’re

trying to like, get the vibe,
you have to like, get your body

into it.
I don’t know.

Yeah, yeah, definitely.
She also said that she lost 20

lbs during filming, and she said
I was so physically fit.

Everyone was telling me to back
off the stunts.

But something happens when you
get into your strong and happy

place.
You’re different.

And I can’t wait to get like, I
mean, I want to take the ride,

but I can’t wait to get to the
end.

Where she’s just like, looking
like a total badass, you know?

Totally.
Yeah, and it happens.

It happens so quickly.
Also for sure.

Yeah, Victor, the director,
writer, creator.

He said.
Drew and Sheila are alike in

that they’re both incredibly
strong and have a relentless

optimism even through difficult
times in life.

That’s cool.
I like that comparison.

And we know Drew would love
that, right?

Yeah, she was right there when
he said it, and she looked very

happy.
So another person we love, Do

you love him?
I mean.

I, you know, I love him in this
so much.

I love him in a couple of his
roles.

He’s a little funny during like
press stuff.

And I think that’s just kind of,
he’s like kind of always joking.

And sometimes it’s like feels
like a little rude, but I think

it’s just his personality like.
Yeah, I can see that.

You know what I mean?
But yeah, I do like him a lot.

He’s like.
Sarcastic a lot.

Yeah, there you go.
OK, so the man we’re talking

about, Timothy Olyphant, he
plays her as Drew’s husband,

Sheila’s husband, Joel Hammond.
I also love him.

I just watched.
I’ll just like, say really

quickly.
I just finished watching.

Now I’m gonna forget what the
fuck the show is.

Like a Western show.
Oh, is that justified?

Nope, it’s a different Deadwood.
Deadwood.

So I watched, I finished
watching like Deadwood last year

and I was like, oh, he’s he’s
amazing.

I already like loved him but
he’s like so good and that whole

show is amazing.
Anyway, my friend Jen was like

way early on the train of liking
him when from go.

I was just going to say I
thought he was really cute and

go.
So I was on the train a little

bit, but he wasn’t really around
a lot.

Like he was like doing like
little roles and stuff.

Well, can I take this?
Because importantly, yes.

He’s also a Scream alum.
A very important Scream alum.

He’s in Scream 2.
Can I spoil a movie from that

long ago?
Yeah.

He is a Ghostface, so yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it’s kind of a cool, you
know, connection they share.

Apparently they never, during
filming ever made that

connection.
And then it wasn’t until they

were doing press that people
started bringing it up and they

both went so funny.
In this French talk show, you

want to take a stab at this
name.

See Avu.
OK, so this French talk show.

See, Avu made them even do like
recreate her scene from Scream

during promotion where he had to
be on the phone.

That’s kind of fun.
It was, but it was also like was

really hard for me to watch
because she doesn’t deliver her

lines at all.
Like she doesn’t scream.

And that is like, so embedded
into my DNA, you’re like.

That’s not right.
True, right.

True.
You haven’t.

Watched it 5000 times.
Like you don’t have it like

embedded in your brain in the
exact tone it should be.

Exactly.
That’s so funny.

But that’s just the nerd I am,
yeah.

Drew said that she and Tim got
along really well because they

both are no bullshit people who
prioritize their families and

would give 100% on the job,
which that’s really cool.

We know that’s definitely Drew.
I don’t know a lot about Timothy

Olyphant and his family, but I
do know that like, he and Conan

O’Brien are like friends and
like go to like a beach house

together and stuff.
So like.

That’s pretty cool.
And I feel like Conan O’Brien

seems like really cool and deep,
deep down like a good person.

Anyway, Yeah, that’s a very
side.

Side note, one thing he did say
during press stuff was that one

thing he could relate to was
that he had been married for 25

years at that time.
So like, we knew what a long

time marriage was like.
And the Drew makes a little

quip.
She’s like, like, I have no idea

what that’s like to be married
for a long time and everyone’s

cracking up.
So I just thought that was cute.

He also said that he loves that
Drew is a truly authentic human

being and that she showed up
every day with a willingness to

embarrass herself.
So Drew like that’s why it’s

kind of perfect her in this
because it there’s a lot of

gross stuff and it’s not like
pretty you’re.

So right, there’s probably a lot
of people that would not be

willing to go to the links she
goes to on this show.

All right, let’s move on to Liv
Hewson, who plays their daughter

Abby Drew said that she loved
playing the mother of a daughter

since mothers and daughters are
her emotional Achilles heel, as

we know.
Absolutely, Liv.

Of course you’ve watched Yellow
Jackets.

I still need to watch season 3
but Liv is so amazing on that

show.
So amazing I’ve I’m caught up on

yellow jackets.
OK, don’t spoil anything.

But they are so incredible on
Yellow jackets and they were

also so incredible on this show.
Oh my gosh, just perfect,

perfect plastic.
Like looks like could be their

child but also is so good at
just delivering that attitude of

the teenage daughter.
Yeah, they’re really good.

They’re really.
Good.

And then the last like series
regular is Skyler Gisondo as

their young neighbor Eric and
absolutely love him.

And he’s so cute.
He’s so charming, right?

He’s so charming, like
surprisingly charming, and he’s

supposed to be like this nerdy,
kind of like I don’t know, and

it’s I think it’s they play up
his nerdiness to like whatever

be anyway, we’ll talk more about
that, but we I love him too.

I had a feeling that you also
thought he was.

Absolutely.
You know, he kind of has like

maybe like a Justin Long-ness,
you know, when he.

I could see that.
Yeah, I saw him like probably

soon after this aired in the Wet
Hot American Summer sequel,

which I can’t think of what
that’s called off the top of my

head.
But he plays more of like a sort

of like an asshole who’s all hot
and stuff.

And it’s so it’s really funny to
just to see like the different

sides.
Yeah, he’s great, and there’s a

lot of other notable people who
are going to appear in the

series, but we’ll like talk
about them as they make their

little cameos or appearances
during the episodes.

Yes, we get a bunch in this one
alone, like, yeah, so keep your

ears open for that.
Some more like, you know, very

important people for this show.
Costume design is by Mona Mae,

the amazing Mona Mae.
They had previously worked

together on The Wedding Singer
and never been kissed.

You must if you have not, check
out her episode with her.

It’s episode 48.
We were lucky enough to

interview her SO.
So kind and generous.

She was like immediately, like,
I’m on board, let’s do it.

She’s so lovely.
So cool, and we do have the

video version of that on YouTube
if you guys want.

To see.
That’s right.

Thanks for shouting that out.
Yeah.

And Mona said when we first met
Sheila Drew’s character, she was

kind of dowdy in her suits.
But as she evolved, she became a

lot more secure in herself and
who she was and what she wanted

in her life.
And that comes off.

And I love how there’s, like a
dowdy to, like, cool transition

that we’d like.
I don’t know.

I’d never been kissed.
It was similar.

I know I was thinking about them
like, wait, that’s exactly what

Mona had to do for never been
kissed.

Like literally starts in these
like, frumpy suits because she’s

trying to be like businesswoman
and then, you know, finds

herself and finds more of her
personal style.

Totally.
Yeah, totally.

I didn’t even realize you put a
comment there.

Oh yeah, so we both had the same
thought.

That’s so funny.
Mona put Joel and Sheila in a

lot of Plaid to give them a
sense of casualness, she said.

It’s really important to show
they’re a regular family living

in the suburbs trying to deal
with this craziness.

Yeah, it’s interesting because
Mona’s style can be a lot more

like distinct and fun candy
colored and stuff, so I like

that she had a real thought of
why she has them, just like in

Plaid shirt.
Yeah, and the show is pretty

toned down in general, but she
gets to do some more stuff, more

fun stuff.
Later.

Oh yeah.
Especially later.

So Drew’s hair was done by Loana
Vigi, who is a long, long, long

time friend and collaborator
going all the way back to 50 First

dates.
That was the first time that she

worked on something with Drew,
but they have a ton of credits

together.
Yeah.

And then her makeup was done by
Deborah Ferullo again, another

long, longtime friend who has
worked with Drew on countless

shoots and productions since
around the mid 2000s.

Yeah, both Lana and Deb are
still doing Drew like they just.

Did regularly squares.
With her.

So it’s like, ongoing.
I love that.

Yeah.
And Deb is just very, very kind

to us and always, like, she,
like, responds with us, if you

can believe it.
Yeah.

And I asked her if she wanted to
share anything for this episode,

and she gave me a little
statement, if you will.

I love it.
Yeah.

Let me just read.
What upset?

She said.
I loved everything about Santa

Clarita Diet because it meant I
got to be holed up for three

months with three of my besties
doing puzzles and creating

campsite vibes out in front of
our trailer.

I love.
That I know.

And then she went on to say.
And as far as her look goes,

Drew worked really hard to
transform herself for the role.

For makeup, I kept her makeup
pretty standard business start

of the show.
And as the show progressed, we

started to glam her up more.
We wanted to show how more alive

slash thriving she was becoming
in her death.

So I tanned her up and glammed
her up and then she said Lana

lightened her hair.
So I love that.

Like it’s just so cute.
Thank you, Deb.

I was like, thank you.
It’s so cool to have something

straight from the source that we
can drop in here.

And I love picturing like a
campsite.

Vibe outside the trailer.
I want to.

Be there doing puzzles with them
and like, come on, that sounds

so fun.
I love.

I love our little exchanges with
Deb, like, yeah.

So I hope we get a chance to
talk to her one day.

She’s she’s like almost agreed.
I know, and I do.

I liked him that she mentioned
the tan thing because that is,

like, once she said it, I was
like, oh, yeah, I definitely see

that.
Like, Drew’s skin is much paler

at the beginning.
It’s kind of funny.

Like, as a corpse.
She’s tanner.

But I love it, yeah.
And also, I’ve only watched this

show through once, and so it’ll
be fun to like, not that we’re

going to be doing the other
things like back-to-back, but I

don’t know.
It’ll be fun to have a little

bit more like reason for us to
be paying attention to that.

Definitely.
We always want more excuses.

Drew’s assistant on the shoot
was Mason Hughes, who he used to

like.
Be in touch with us and we love

Mason.
I know I was like, we can’t just

skip by Mason working on this.
And yeah, I remember him sharing

a lot of like onset photos
during filming.

So of course we’re grateful for
that too.

Yeah, of course.
He was like one of the one of

the kindest to us always and
used to you to us for help on

things.
Totally, totally okay.

The practical effects on the
show and the prosthetics are by

Tinsley Studio.
They also did this is a cool

kind of fact that you pulled
out.

They also did the character
Nicks tattoos on 50 First Dates.

Peanut butter cups.
Peanut butter cups Christien

Tinsley was worried about messing
up Drew’s hair and makeup, he

said, But Drew would actually
grab the bottle of blood and

squeeze it into her mouth, pour
it over her chin and let it drip

down onto her clothes.
I think she was having a good

time not being Drew in the other
movies that we’ve seen her in,

That’s so funny, he said.
She was Drew the Cannibal and I

think she was having fun with
that.

I know she’s always going to go
for it, right?

Like 100%, I can totally see her
being like, come on, let’s just

go.
Like, let’s just go.

Let’s just squeeze this.
Let’s not be delicate about

this.
Yeah, no, no need.

She said about Tinsley Studios,
they just knocked it out of the

park.
There was a lot of blood and

guts and I.
And then she goes, Oh yeah, God,

sorry.
I just got the shivers because I

thought of this one foot I had
to bite into and I hit a bone or

a nail or something on my tooth
and that just made me have that

fingernails on the blackboard
moment, I guess.

Should I put in like a trigger
warning ahead of that quote?

I don’t know, Hopefully people
know what they’re in for this.

Whole show Santa Clarita Diet
has a big time trigger warning

for gore.
OK, if you don’t, if you can’t

handle gore, get out of here.
Yeah, totally, totally.

The body parts that Sheila eats
were made from edible items,

including dehydrated fruit,
gummy bear formula, ground

pasta, blends of beets and
bananas, wet cake and Jelly

doughnut filling.
Which like much of any of those

things, like basically no thank
you.

Again, thank God Drew such a
like she’s going to just get in

there and do it because this
would be challenging.

So the show filmed from June
through September of 2016 in

Santa Clarita.
They actually did it like a lot

of stuff on location there and
then all the stuff they did on

the sets were done at Santa
Clarita Studios.

So they really were just like in
this one spot, which is pretty

cool.
The exteriors of the Hammond’s

house are that house is located
at 27528 N Weeping Willow Dr.

And as I said, I like almost
went there once and we just like

ran out of time.
But I will get there.

I’ll post pictures next time I’m
out there.

Drew said she loved shooting in
Santa Clarita because there was

no traffic.
We know just how she feels about

traffic.
Yeah.

And then she also said it was
such a safe place for her to

spend her summer while her whole
life was falling apart.

So again, just glad she had this
like haven of work that really

fulfilled her in so many ways.
Totally.

I’ll say one more thing about
filming.

So I think I told you that my
cousin’s friend worked on the

show.
That’s right, I forgot about

that.
Remembered I think his name is

Joel.
Weirdly I take it up because I

think I looked.
I tried to see him in the

credits but I’ll just say 1 fact
about this that I remember him

telling me.
So when he told me that I was

like oh I’m like such a huge fan
of Drew.

I think I was talking about Drew
and then he said something

anyways, doesn’t matter.
I remember him saying that Drew

was like so sweet on set and
would like constantly be

ordering like special food
trucks for them and he said he

remembers them like like
ordering sushi for like

everybody.
That’s.

I I think we heard something
similar from maybe our friend

Rachel about never been kissed
but like.

Yeah, maybe.
And we know she did that on like

ever after.
She was like, I think a lot of

production, she’s like always
looking out for the food part,

which is really sweet.
And what did?

He do on the show do you
remember?

It’s Joel Mikilak.
OK, so he was a grip.

Yeah.
Let’s get into the release of

the show a little bit.
So Drew said.

I think the show is so fitting
for 2017.

Just give me something light,
easy, digestible, watchable,

fun, funny but like has balls
and bite and backbone.

So many descriptors.
I love it.

It’s so drew to be like, I’m
going to say every word that I

can think of.
The ad campaign was done in a

style of kind of like a Weight
Watchers diet product, sort of.

And like you were saying, like
you can’t really.

They’re not saying in this what
the show is about.

There are like little very
clever.

Hints totally.
Everyone is asking me how is it

that I feel younger, more
energetic and sexier than I have

in yours?
It’s the Santa Clarita Diet.

After the first day, I knew this
wasn’t like any other diet.

I satisfy all my cravings and
eat whoever I want and I only

eat the foods that deserve it.
So clever.

It’s so clever, and I guess
they’re a little bit more like

explicit than I thought, but in
the.

Picture though you have to be
listening like to, she said.

I eat whoever I.
Want, is that right?

Yeah.
And they then they show like

there’s like a bowl that has
like an eyeball in it.

So it’s a little when you see
it, it’s a little bit.

And then in the photographs,
which were done by Mark Seliger,

like that’s so random and cool.
So random and cool.

She’ll be like holding a drink
in a clear container and you see

fingers in there.
If you look closely.

Yeah, but then she’s just, like,
cute Drew in a red dress,

sitting in a director’s chair.
Like, it’s very, it’s very cute

and clever.
It was a cool ad campaign.

It really was.
Yeah, this little tidbit’s

funny.
So Druid pitched the slogan

Netflix and Kill and they turned
it down.

It’s pretty clever.
It is.

I would say so.
So for promotion, they started

out at the 2017 Golden Globes.
Drew and Timothy presented

there, and then the that teaser
trailer debuted during the

awards telecast.
They also went abroad to Paris,

Madrid and Berlin in January of

carpet premiere in LA on
February 1st at the Arclight

Cinerama Dome, which I thought I
had to like point that out cuz

that’s like her in front of the
ET line, yeah.

I always think of that like.
Any.

Time the Cinerama Dome is
mentioned like I think of Little

Drew.
They said it was out there on

the black.
As well, she said.

Isn’t it?
It was.

He’s the cutest alien that I’ve
ever met and seen.

And then like actually has these
shoes on at the premiere that

have like that kind of cross
shape, like they’re a little

different than some of the other
ones.

Yeah, they’re.
Great, they look like something

she would totally wear on her
show right now.

I bet Lee Harris is the reason
she’s wearing this outfit.

I love this look.
I was just gonna say that’s a

cool dress.
It has a really cool neckline.

Anyway, we’re here to talk about
the show.

So all 10 episodes of the entire
first season premiered on

February 3rd, 2017 on Netflix.
It’s like crazy just to imagine

all that dropping at once.
Yes.

I don’t know how we, like,
consumed it back then.

I don’t really remember, like
how fast I got through it.

I think I like maybe 1A night.
I probably tried to spread it

out a little bit, but they’re
short enough that I might have

done like a Fiona row, I don’t
remember.

They are so much shorter than I
realized.

Yeah, Netflix did a panel with
Victor, Drew and Tim on February

And then they earned really

mostly positive reviews.
Like some some reviews were like

the gore is a little intense,
but you know, the the chemistry

and likability of the leads I
think goes really far with that.

And it was really well liked by
viewers.

You can’t really look up like
Netflix watch numbers.

I kind of tried and I was not
able to find anything.

Like maybe it was #1 when you
open Netflix that day when it

premiered.
But like, I couldn’t find any

records.
There’s not like stats online.

Yeah, interesting.
You know, we’re not going to go

too much into this, but the show
was renewed for seasons two and

three, and those aired each
about a year apart.

But we’re going to discuss those
in the future.

I’m thinking probably next
summer, it’ll be our summer

series of Season 2.
And then, you know, without

getting like too sad about it,
the show was abruptly cancelled

while they were still edited
season 3 and it was even kind of

on a cliffhanger and people are
still so mad about it.

Like I still see comments all
the time about it.

So I just, I didn’t, I’d
forgotten that it had been

cancelled because they do end on
like quite a cliffhanger.

And I was like, there’s so much
more they could have done.

And I thought my recollection
was that it might have been

intentional.
Now it was Netflix and like back

then people used to say, and I
maybe they still do, that

Netflix would, like frequently
cancel after three seasons

because like something about
after three seasons, like

everybody has to get paid more,
some bullshit like that.

Yeah, Thanks, Netflix.
Sounds like bullshit.

Also, thanks for real, because
we’re happy that we have three

seasons of a television
television show Drew because

it’s it’s really cool.
Like I don’t I don’t remember

how like exciting it was.
So like have like content that

we knew was coming for a little
while.

I mean with our TV show we do,
but like, it’s different with

this.
It’s weird.

It was only, you know, nine
years ago, only 9.

But I I don’t really remember
what it felt like either.

So it’s fun to jump back in
almost sort of for the first

time.
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OK, episode 1.

So then a bat or a monkey?
The titles are all funny like.

That of course they are.
Of course they are.

This was directed by Reuben
Fleischer, written by Victor

Fresco.
I don’t know how many of them he

wrote, but he was the creator of
the show.

Yeah, I actually I’m going to
have to see like in the actual

episodes credits because IMDb
doesn’t always accurately

reflect like what was listed in
the credits.

Interesting.
Weird.

So for this one it was just his
name, even though IMDb says

otherwise.
Oh, interesting.

Here’s a description of this
episode.

It says Joel and Sheila’s
marriage gets a jump start when

Sheila debuts is a truly killer
new personality and in anything

goes menu and they used to be so
normal that’s very.

Very witty and.
I guess before we jump in,

clearly spoiler alert.
At this point, definitely.

Spoilers.
We’re getting into spoilers now.

This is the point.
You know, what’s good is that I

don’t feel like either of us
remember enough to like do

spoilers for future episodes.
So maybe we’ll try to avoid that

as much as possible just in case
you guys are watching along with

us.
And like, I’m not going to watch

them until we’re ready to like
really, you know, I’m not going

to go ahead as much as I can so.
There’s like some, there’s

something in this episode that I
like was right away.

I was like, oh, I remember what
happens with that.

But like, yeah, we’re not
planning on like, like you said,

had spoilers, just like spoilers
of the presents, spoilers of the

present, yes.
OK, so the episode opens just

showing us this very normal
suburban life that Joel and

Sheila live.
And it’s like morning time and

just kind of it’s very like just
normal family getting ready to

leave the house.
Yeah, Joel tries for a quickie

right off the bat, but Sheila
said she just isn’t a pound one

out type of gal.
So, like, right away, I guess

we’re supposed to be like, oh,
she’s a, she’s a prude or a

guest now.
It sets the tone for what she’s

like.
Yeah, Sheila wishes that she was

more bold.
Jennifer Lawrence chopped off

her hair again.
Everybody hates it like that,

but she doesn’t care.
She’s so bold.

I wish I was bold.
Am I bold?

No, I’m not.
I’m really upset about the new

toaster oven.
I’d.

Like to be 20% bolder?
No more 80%.

That’s too much.
Am I bold?

No, I’m not bold.
It’s really cute.

It is really cute to like start
that of like it’s very, what do

they call it expositional to be
like, yeah, I’m assessing my

characters boldness right now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is.

But it works.
It’s natural.

Totally.
And Joel’s like getting mad

about how their toaster oven
knobs don’t work.

And there’s a line about how
she’s like, I thought you were

going to send the company an
e-mail.

And he’s like, I did.
But it came off a little crazy

and just reminded me of my
husband because he’s like really

cares about things like that and
letting companies know what

they’re not doing right.
I really want to and then I

never do.
Yeah, and their daughter is

asking for a car.
So it’s just like, you know,

family life in the morning in
the kitchen is.

Naturally.
Natural.

Yeah, I did think it’s
interesting that Sheila is

supposed to be frumpy at the
beginning, and there are some

scenes where I see that.
But in this very first part

here, I think she actually looks
really beautiful.

Like her hair is cute.
I think so too.

But yeah, we see, we see the
front a little later on, I

guess.
Yeah, a little bit.

So Sheila experiences like kind
of right away, some like weird

stomach pain and she kind of
like moans a little bit and she

waves it off pretty quickly
before they all head out for the

day.
And then we when they go

outside, we meet some of the
neighbors, including Dan, who’s

like this very nosy asshole and
his stepson, who’s the teen boy

Eric, and happens to have a
crush on the daughter Abby.

And I kind of love that.
We immediately know that the

neighbor that plays like his,
like, mom is like a loose

cannon.
Yes.

And Mary Elizabeth Ellis plays
her, and she’s really funny.

And she was on like, you’ve
heard of the name of that show?

Always funny, right?
Yeah.

And like, so she’s known for
that.

And she’s really funny in this
character.

And I remember loving a lot of
the like kind of crazy things

that she doesn’t said to.
The show, Yep, they definitely

set it up.
Everything is set up so fast.

Like this is probably 3 minutes
into the show and we already

have hit like so many important
things like her getting that

stomach pain right off the bat.
I was like what?

It’s like this is going to go.
Fast.

I mean, yeah, you point out
exactly how quick like things go

along, but it’s also like the
character development, like I’m

saying, like you kind of know
immediately who these people.

Are yeah, you know, their
neighbor is this like asshole

cop, but he’s like.
I’m not a cop.

I work for the Sheriff’s
Department.

And like, their other neighbor
is an actual cop that might come

into play later.
So I feel like that we should

mention they live in between
two, like, law enforcement

people, Right?
So Joel and Sheila are both

Realtors, and they both do.
So they go off to work.

Andy Richter plays their boss,
which is fun.

Yeah, and Nathan Fillion is this
new agent named Gary who just

joined.
And he seems so nice at the

beginning, but boy, he isn’t
right.

And Andy Richter, like, yells at
Sheila for a little bit.

And it really gave me Josie when
she’s being yelled at by John C

Reilly and never been kissed,
like, just this like, oh, sorry,

boss.
And I’ll look on her face.

Yeah, totally.
I totally saw it.

Joel and Sheila are out to show
a house as Realtors as you

mentioned, and they immediately,
oh and pretty much much

immediately, Sheila violently
vomits everywhere like a

explosive vomit.
Like it’s, it’s, it’s

ridiculous.
It’s so gross.

There’s a little bit of behind
the scenes related to this that

kind of makes it like, a little
gross or even weird.

Yeah.
So the vomit, I guess, was made

from some soup that Drew said
had curdled, which sounds so

gross.
And Mona May said the props made

a concoction, but it went bad.
So whatever they mixed it with

started smelling.
And there was a horrible smell

on set of putrifying bile.
EW Mona, but.

I also just say like the sounds
because Drew, Drew, Sheila

continues to get sick in the
background and you can hear her

while Joel’s like kind of
talking to the clients.

It’s really funny.
I always like those details.

It’s funny because, well, I
remember her talking about, I

don’t remember if it was duplex
or fever pitch because she

vomits in both of those, but she
definitely talked about how

important it was to her to get
like the sound right so.

I kind of remember her talking
about that too, and my instincts

is that it’s fever pitch, but
I’m not sure.

Yeah, I’m not sure.
Either.

But in this it’s like also
comedic because it’s over the

top.
Like, she sounds like she’s like

losing her body, which, yeah,
sort of.

Yeah, So Joe finds her like, he
gets the people out of the

house.
He finds her in the bathroom,

seemingly dead.
And there’s just like vomit all

over.
Like it’s just everyone.

And I was like whoa, they wasted
no time.

Like she’s quote UN quote dead
and we’re only 8 minutes into

the episode.
Like that’s faster than scream.

That’s crazy.
They just jump in right away.

I think she comes.
Back yeah right.

It is so funny to me when she
wakes up his reaction.

I don’t know if you have that
queued up, but if you could get

to that, I just, he’s really
funny in this.

I’m gonna say it again later but
like his timing and he’s just

cracks me up so much in this.
Sheila No, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no.
Did we get the offer?

What the fuck I’m OK I just
threw up like a fair amount.

What the fuck?
So good.

It’s really good.
And his expression, like he’s

got a great face anyway, but
just like.

Yeah, it’s interesting that he
was like kind of more of a

dramatic actor.
And he’s so funny.

He’s just so good.
And importantly, we have to note

that Sheila shows him this
possible organ that came out of

her and it looks like a little
meatball and it’s disgusting,

but it will be important later.
Yeah, I was.

That’s the thing.
I was like, oh, I remember what

happens with this.
And I was like, yeah, I was

like, we got to point out, don’t
forget the meatball.

I mean please.
Can I forget the meatball

please?
They can’t, and then they’re off

to the hospital where they’re
waiting like for a really long

time.
And we’ve got another really fun

clip right here that I think
summarizes this whole kind of

moment.
I really am feeling better,

honey.
I want to get you looked at.

Been here over 3 hours.
I just want to go home, get out

of these clothes and take a
bath.

Feel like a bus station, shit in
my mouth.

She doesn’t look too good.
She does kind of look like a bus

station.
Shit in her mouth.

This is where I was like, oh, I
see the frumpy.

Yeah, because she just, like,
literally really had admit got

sick all over herself.
So they decide to go home and

get cleaned up and they say
they’re going to call her

doctor, which doesn’t happen.
We get absence pretty quickly.

That her smell is her sense of
smell is heightened.

And I love how we figure it out.
She like, smells him almost look

like in his armpit.
And then she’s like, and then

she’s like, you know, I’m OK
with you smoking pot.

Like something I guess she
probably had been really uptight

about.
They’re giving like, yeah,

that’s.
What it feels like.

Yes.
And then that new realtor Gary

comes over with flowers and says
he took care of the cleaning

crew.
And then he goes on to tell Joel

that he’s taking over the house,
listing that like they had left

such a bad impression.
And Gary keeps reiterating just

how sane the amount of vomit
was, which is, which is really

funny, but he’s also just like,
it was a lot of lot of vomit.

It was.
Yeah, it was a lot.

And he’s already being kind of a
Dick here too.

Like a smarmy.
Dick, yeah, but it just gets

worse.
So, yeah, Meanwhile, Sheila is

changing really rapidly.
So she realizes she has no

heartbeat.
And like, Joel even goes and,

like, gets a stethoscope.
He can’t hear anything.

And she’s like, getting really
frisky out of nowhere.

Suddenly maybe she has a pound
one out kind of gal.

She’s, like, encouraging Joel to
go down on her.

She shows Joel and Abby, her
daughter that she doesn’t have

blood.
Like, she cuts herself and

instead, like, squeezes it in
this black ooze comes out so

sick, so gross.
It’s also really well done.

Yeah, it is well done.
She’s also eating raw meat.

So she’s standing at the kitchen
counter and Joel’s like, I can,

I can cook that up for you.
And she’s like, no.

It’s OK.
Theresa that this fake raw beef,

like almost made her throw up in
the sink and she’s like, of all

things, that was the one that
almost took me down.

Oh, I wonder what it was made of
like.

It was supposedly ground pasta
but I think.

I mean I would be the same way
if it looked convincing enough.

Like I can’t eat beyond burger
like I can’t get my head around.

It’s just too unappetizing to me
if.

It’s too much like meat.
Yeah, I didn’t think about that.

I was thinking more like about
the.

But of course, that makes total
sense.

I was thinking about, like what
it actually tasted like was

really gross.
But I bet it was probably

looking at it.
I don’t know, because it’s

that’s like, I don’t know, you
see it.

She’s literally eating it out of
like the container.

You get it out from the grocery
store, like that phone

container.
I can’t even.

Yeah.
So she doesn’t want to go to the

hospital and get poked and
prodded.

Like, come on, leave me alone.
I feel great.

Like she’s feeling really good.
Yeah.

So Abby calls their neighbor
Eric because he’s a creeper, a

big nerd who’s into that stuff.
Yeah.

And Eric determines that Sheila
is dead, undead.

And he also emphasizes they need
to make sure she stays fed.

He doesn’t want to call her a
zombie.

He said that that’s inherently
negative.

I don’t like that word.
I think it’s inherently

negative.
I don’t like it either.

Let’s not use it I.
Don’t feel dead and undead, I

feel the opposite, totally
alive.

She’s been very exuberant,
exuberant.

Yeah, they’re doing it a lot.
It’s.

Funny.
It is funny.

But yes, we get a sense that
Sheila’s feeling great.

Because she doesn’t want to go
to the doctor, man.

Because she’s living now.
Yeah.

She’s alive, she can smell now
she I mean, I’m sure that she

could smell before, but anyway
she they like go outside and

Sheila finds and just takes a
snail as a snack.

It’s pretty funny.
Snail snack, a little snail

snack, and then the jerk Dan
comes home to tell them artists

like find them all in his front
yard and Sheila gives them an

attitude which she like, was
pretty sheepish during their

last exchange.
So that’s like right away to see

that good contrast.
Yep.

And Joel is worried about Dan
being suspicious and asks Sheila

to kind of stop being so
impulsive about reacting to him.

Yeah.
Anything else?

Kind of like right away when
they go inside, she’s exclaiming

that she’s hungry and her
stomach’s like, she like, kind

of like moans at him.
She has her Drew puppy dog face,

yeah.
Yeah, exactly.

And at this point, like, he goes
out, I don’t remember if he’s

going out to get her food or
what it is, but then, yeah, then

Sheila and her daughter Abby run
off and buy a Range Rover when

she’s talking about it later.
I do love that you kind of,

like, pulled this out, she said.
I’ve been wanting one ever since

this morning.
And it said like so quickly and

like.
You know, yeah.

As if that’s like, like a
justification.

Yeah.
And then she joins the

neighbors, like these other
girls for a girls night.

She’s like, kind of dancing
sexily.

And Gary’s checking her out from
across the room.

What?
Ick, yeah.

But then Joel shows up and
interrupts and Gary tries to

pick a fight with him.
It’s so ridiculous.

It’s like, what?
Who would do this?

And then gets pretty gross with
Sheila.

It gets worse.
I know worse, I hate it, but we

do have to set up that this guy
is a piece of shit, right?

It’s like it pays off so.
It pays off the next.

Yeah, so it’s the next day, and
Joel’s, like, really losing it

over this toaster oven.
But it’s really about, you know,

what’s going on with Sheila.
Yeah.

And he’s just so funny.
He’s so good in it.

Yes, and I love how he keeps
like over sharing with the woman

at the store when he goes to buy
the stethoscope and then goes to

like try to get a new toaster
oven.

Yeah.
It’s a she’s without spoiling,

she like continues staying in
the show from what I recall.

Yes.
I was like, I feel like I

remember more of this character.
Yeah, yeah.

So Sheila’s gardening and she
looks so cute with her hair up

in that ponytail just like it
was like again, like I guess her

hair is kind of like down in her
face in the beginning and then

all of a sudden it’s like pulled
back and she looks all fresh.

But here comes Gary into the
backyard.

He just walks in the backyard
and he is like bites himself in,

super aggressive and rapey and
awful.

So she bites his fingers off and
then she’s like, Oh yeah, I love

this.
And then she continues to devour

him in their backyard.
He totally deserved it.

I’m sorry.
You know what?

I’m not sorry.
He.

Was there he I mean, I think
that it tends to be that

whatever that these people is
that she goes for will get into.

I mean, we’re getting into more.
They deserve it in one way or.

Another, yeah.
He’s an asshole, but he also

continues to be a character.
I’ll say that that’s that’s.

True, that’s true.
Interesting.

It’s really gruesome, like right
away, but it’s very like.

It’s kind of funny because when
I see that exact shot, like

where we see her like beating
him, it’s actually I would say

more gruesome than her death and
scream, but in a way that it

really is like if you put them
side by side, I would say it’s

grosser and more gory.
But like that shot and scream

had to be like edited down, yes,
like frame by frame to speed it

up so that they wouldn’t get an
X rating.

And it’s just so crazy, like how
things have changed that much

that like, like 20 years later,
this is just on TV, Netflix, but

TV, you know?
Right, it is kind of wild.

So Joel comes home and he is
looking for his wife and is

going to walk in on quite a
sight.

Quite a sight.
Sheila, we need to talk.

Last night was bullshit.
Sheila.

Shit.
Oh, Joel.

I really want to make this work.
Yeah, so the show ends literally

with us seeing Sheila with the
entire body of Gary in front of

her, guts and shit everywhere.
Yeah, with this silly music also

like that sets the tone.
Definitely.

I think it’s a good thing.
Sometimes I complain about

music, you know, writing cars
with boys.

But in this one, it’s the it’s
the right vibe to make it funny

because it’s supposed to be
funny.

It’s disgusting, but it’s funny.
Anyway, yeah, I love that it

ends on this like funny but
really gruesome.

Like the the tone is 100% with
the first episode.

The tone is set.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

It’s pretty.
Strong we end with this like

this is not great, like we’re
I’m going to be killing people,

but let’s figure out how to make
this happen and we’re A-Team,

right, yes.
And I love the, like, Joel’s,

like, shrug.
He’s, like, awkwardly smiling

and, like, the biggest shrug
ever.

Like OK.
I mean, that’s one of the things

I remember loving so much about
the show is their relationship

and like, they’re like, we’re in
this together.

And how he, like, supports her
even through this horrible thing

that’s going on.
Like Drew said a lot in the

press, Junk and stuff, that she
didn’t want to see a couple

fighting.
She’s like, I’ve had enough of

that and it’s great.
Like, even though there was this

little minor conflict, you know,
at the bar when he showed up,

but like, they’re A-Team.
Yeah, they are a team.

It’s a great depiction of a
marriage.

And like a family too, like the
daughter is like, she is like

supportive and confused but also
curious.

And then like that kid Eric
becomes like part of their crew,

like.
Yeah, doesn’t she like, like say

we should adopt him?
I feel sad that he has such a

bad home life.
Yes, so cute.

She does.
And Joel’s like, no, what are

you thinking?
But I feel like he becomes like

part of the crew 100.
Percent absolutely show.

Yep, Yep.
You get more of him, yeah, but I

feel like it’s this is well set
up.

This is so great.
I’m so glad.

It’s funny.
I always think of this as a

summer show because I remember
they always filmed over the

summer.
Yeah.

So it’s like whenever I find out
it came out in February, I’m

like, that feels wrong.
So I’m just treating it as it’s

a summer show because it’s our
summer show.

We are going to continue this
all summer long.

Episodes 2-3 and four are going
to come out next Tuesday, and

then we’ll do 567 and 8910.
So it’s going to be really fun.

You guys watch along with us.
We’ll try again not to spoil

future episodes as we go.
And this is just like, yay, I

love this.
I’m so glad we’re finally doing

this.
Yeah, me too.

This is like a great excuse to
do it.

We always need an excuse to
watch Drew.

I don’t.
Know.

Why can’t we just do it?
It’s my excuse.

Well, like I was saying earlier,
I need like a work related

motivation.
It’s not work, but like making

this part of our job is what
makes it, I don’t know, makes me

do it.
It puts it on the calendar and

you get it done.
I totally agree.

Make our make our fandom part of
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How Do You Drew Episode 132 – Diary

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I’m Anne.
And I’m Ashley and this week you

guys, we are actually discussing
Drews episode of MTV Diary

because we finally digitized
that shit.

I don’t know.
We’ve probably referred to Diary

on this podcast 70 times.
I mean, I don’t know, but also

thanks to our sponsor and
friends of Positive Media for

helping us get this digitized
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Thanks, Oh my God.
Like Ashley pushed me to get the

tape from my parents house.
I brought it back.

We decided we were going to do
this like literally a few days

ago, sent the tape over to Chris
and he got it digitized for us.

So yes, that’s why we’re able to
do this.

It was so exciting for me to
watch it just on like my VCR but

then also like having it on the
computer.

Is so.
Oh my gosh, yeah.

Like, really, We couldn’t have
done this without positive

medium.
Just another reason to say thank

you to them.
Yes, yes, yes.

Let’s get into the top of the
show.

So we are going to go back in
time for the first time right

now for this week in Drew
history.

All right, this time around I
selected June 25th, 1989, and I

had a couple reasons for
selecting this.

It might not seem interesting at
first, but OK.

So Drew attended a Children’s
AIDS Foundation benefit at the

Comedy Store.
I had to do a little digging to

find out that that’s where it
was.

So I thought, first of all,
that’s kind of cool because we

know her mom had worked there
and she kind of grew up going

there.
Yeah, she attended this with her

friend and roommate at the time,
Ele Keats.

This is when Drew first moved
out, quote, UN quote, on her

own.
She was living with her slightly

older but still teenage friend.
Yeah.

She wore a really fun outfit
with these huge peace sign

earrings.
Those are like always what I

think of when I think.
Of this and I love the length of

her hair.
There’s something about like her

whole look here in the striped
skirt like I’ve always loved

this look.
The cowboy boots I could like

leave her take but like the rest
of the outfit is really cute and

those peace sign earrings like
are really cool and they look

great in photographs too.
Yeah, I know.

They really do.
So she’s 14 here.

And the reason I said this is
like, more interesting than

maybe at first glance because
this is like, such a weird time

in her life where she has come
out of ASAP the program for the

first time or I guess several
times if you think of her going

back and forth to film movies
and all that.

But her story had already been
broken for months.

Now.
It’s public.

But at this time, she had
relapsed and was keeping it a

secret.
So if you.

Yeah.
And it’s like, you don’t want to

read too much into, like, her
face in these pictures, she

looks really happy.
It’s like very crazy that this

is like she’s struggling so much
secretly.

And yeah, if you guys want to
know more about this time, the

last two chapters of Little Girl
Lost will tell you about all of

this.
And we covered that in depth on

our Patreon.
If you don’t know, if you like,

get over there and listen.
We’re really going to have

reasons for you to get over to
Patreon coming up in a minute

here.
But we will.

Yeah.
So just less than 10 days after

this event Drew had her like cry
for help self harm incident and

went back to ASAP.
So like.

Right in this really, really
like yeah, what’s the word I

want?
I was gonna say vital time, but

like a.
Vulnerable.

Vulnerable, absolutely.
But yeah, like it’s all.

I was also like, wow, she’s 14.
Like I know that like 14.

I mean she like looks like an
adult in the.

Pictures.
I know, it’s wild.

She does look so happy in these,
I know.

You know, I think her happiness
ebbed and flowed at this time.

I think we know she was kind of
like pushing it down that what

she had done, like trying to,
you know, compartmentalize that

she’d broken her sobriety and.
Yeah, we do get into this in the

Patreon episodes about it and
like, yeah, cool.

I like that you pulled that one.
That’s it.

Let’s like you’re right, it has
some layers to it that you

wouldn’t expect.
Totally.

Yeah.
OK, so we’ve got a little bit

here for what’s new with Drew,
so let’s hear that.

Here we go with the news,
everybody.

OK, so we kind of teased this in
our last episode because we

recorded it before the Tony
Awards had happened and we were

like, we’ll see if she shows up.
She did.

She did end up attending.
I’m gonna guess CBS reasons why

because she’s posing with like
CBS Paramount people on the.

Right, red carpet like it’s
obligatory.

Yeah, yeah.
She didn’t like do anything

there.
She just attended it.

So that’s sort of interesting.
Yeah, it is.

It is interesting but also so
cool to see her out and about.

I know we like say that every
time she does go out and about

but.
It is so special.

What do you want to say about
this outfit?

Do you want me to like, judge
it?

Is that what you’re wondering?
Well, I did like that your

reaction when I sent you a photo
was OK, Magician Drew.

I forgot that I said that.
Right, Because she’s got these

like long white gloves on, like
opera gloves, but totally like a

magician because it’s just black
and white.

Like she just needs a top hat
basically.

I totally see it.
But I forgot that I said that.

Yeah, it was kind of
interesting.

So our friend at at Drew
Barrymore Rebel on Instagram, I

don’t know if she was saying it
was the exact same outfit or

just saying it was similar, but
it’s very similar to this outfit

that she wore in 2018 to like a
flower beauty Ulta beauty event

that she did this little
function.

Yeah, because it’s like a white
button up collared shirt with a

long attached white cape like.
It really does look similar, so.

Similar, but then when and you
were like, I’m not so sure.

I started like zooming in and I
was like, oh, they’re not the

same top.
But it’s hilarious to me that

she has worn two such similar
outfits and it’s not the same

thing.
And this like cape is definitely

attached, like it’s like on all
sides.

I guess I don’t know, maybe not.
Maybe the cape is the same?

It’s such a similar outfit.
I was going to say actually

comparing like those two looks.
I much prefer her shirt tucked

in with a high waisted pant than
like definitely yeah than the

other like longer kind of tunic
like length shirt.

Anyway, she does look, I think
it’s cuter now than I think I

first when I first saw it like
OK, I’m not sure how I feel

about the white gloves still,
but.

It’s a look, she’s having fun.
For like a red carpet, Yeah,

it’s cute.
It’s cute, cool, I’m glad for

her to see her out and about
like I just said.

OK, so let’s just talk about a
couple of new beautiful

furniture pieces that I was able
to spot on walmart.com.

You’re like the master.
But I just go and I go like all

and I just scroll until I see
something I don’t recognize.

Like it really is like tedious,
but I just do it because I

really want to see it.
I would never know about

anything new if it wasn’t for
you.

Right.
I wish they like did a better

job of like pointing you in the
right place.

So, so these are really cool
because they’re like rad and

they’re Drew’s line, but they
have Drew’s like family names

tied into some of the pieces.
And that’s really cool.

And you figured that out like
pretty quickly, ’cause I sent

you a link to like, what was it?
The drink table?

You sent me to one that was the
Lane drink table and I did not

make the connection.
And then I think I saw like the

Maurice TV stand and I just wait
a second.

I’m wait a second.
And I started putting it

together.
So there’s the Louisa swivel

chair and the Lane drink table.
So Drew’s great great

grandmother is Louisa Lane.
Then there was a Blythe drink

table and a Maurice TV stand.
And her great grandfather is

Herbert Blythe, who changed his
name to Maurice Barrymore.

That’s where Barrymore comes
from.

And then there’s also two items
that are named May Mae, A

bookcase and an end table.
And I was.

They’re really pretty.
Yeah.

It’s a nice color.
And I was thinking it was her

great grandmother May Costello.
So Dolores’s mom.

Yeah.
But it’s also possible this is

named for Ethel because May was
her middle name, so spelled the

same.
So I don’t know.

So.
I think both I would guess.

Yeah, I could be both.
It’s really neat.

And then I saw that there is
maybe a chair coming and I think

it’s going to be named after
Georgiana Drew, who is the

mother of John, right, Lionel
and Ethel.

So that looks like it’s.
Really cute, like it looks like

the Drew chair.
I don’t know if it’s as big.

And then they’re like velvety.
They’re like really cute.

Like yeah, the pink one is I
thought would be your style.

Of course, but those are not on
Walmart yet.

Just some weird random person
posted.

Yeah, that’s so funny.
And I had noticed that pink one

in the background of some of the
other new pictures, and I was

like, oh, that’s so cute.
Like in the background.

I always do that, and then I
look in the background to see

what kind of things are there,
like pictures on the wall, and

sometimes it’ll be like months
and then they’ll release one of

those other things.
That’s so cool.

Like a vase on the table.
I’ve just like tuned in I.

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I think we’re ready to get into
diary.

Finally, the day has come.
Yes, yes, yes.

OK, so if you guys know, you
know, if you don’t, you got to

go to Patreon to actually find
out how to know.

So like for our Patreon members,
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idea.
This is the diary of Drew Blythe

Barrymore Green.
Right off the bat, it’s like so

interesting that she was using
that name.

She did it when she did SNL.
She did it when she was doing

the book signings at this time.
Yes, where I met her for the

first time, which was literally
within the weeks of this.

Which is so crazy.
But also, yeah, like my our

books are signed Drew Blyth
Barrymore Green.

But yeah, hearing her say all
four names just puts us in the

place and the time.
Very.

Distinctly.
So let’s kind of give the

background.
So if you guys maybe are younger

or maybe you just don’t
remember.

So Diary was a show on MTV, and
here’s the description of it

just from Google that I think is
pretty accurate.

So viewers are given an
unrestricted invitation into the

life of a celebrity who narrates
their own story on camera as

they go about their business at
home and on the road.

So it was really neat.
I mean, before social media,

this was such an intimate way to
see a celebrity’s real, normal

life.
That’s.

Such a good point.
This is so on social media,

Yeah.
It kind of like for us it was

like groundbreaking, but like, I
mean, that kind of stuff now is

so fleeting.
Like, I mean, this was too, I

guess.
But MTV, what a great idea we

love.
Seriously.

So this aired on MTV starting in
February 2000.

That’s when the first episode
came out.

Drew’s episode was filmed during
the week of September 24th

through 28th, so Monday through
Friday in the year 2001.

And it aired as the first
episode of season 5 on October

And then that was in part to

promote riding in cars with
boys.

And that’s such a fast turn
around.

Like they within like 3 weeks
they had it edited.

Now it’s kind of blows my mind.
Yeah, it’s pretty cool though.

Like, I love that they were
like, you know, here’s like a

couple weeks ago in the life of
this person.

Yeah.
I mean, we’re obsessed with

that.
You guys can tell we’re like

excitedly talking about.
We haven’t even really gotten

into it.
So the I’m in addition to like

footage that’s filmed that
follows her like in an everyday

life, there’s also a sit down
interview that’s sort of

interspliced throughout the
episode and it looks like it

might have been filmed a little
bit later.

You pointed out her hair’s a
little bit darker.

It’s also like styled so
differently.

It’s.
Hard to tell, right?

Or like how her hair was in
October, which sounds so like

close together.
But she really did change her

hair that often back then,
right?

Exactly and this this was also
filmed right in the aftermath of

So you guys don’t know what that

is.
Look it up.

Never forget also, that
definitely comes into play

throughout the episode.
Like she’s discussing it

throughout like like a couple of
times, even if it’s just like

kind of vaguely this is what’s
happening in the world.

Like it really.
That frames this a lot as well.

It’s kind of crazy that this was
in between 9:11 and then the

whole thing when she hosted SNL
where the anthrax was in the

building.
Like, we’re just in a state of,

like, freaked out fear in this
country at this time.

I mean, I’m sure you can totally
remember how everything felt.

Oh, yeah.
And this, like, takes me back to

that time because I, you know,
we watched this as it aired and,

like, flashed it obsessively.
And it really is like such a

weird time in history and a
weird time in Drews life too.

Like 2001 is a weird time in her
life.

Yeah, it is.
I’m sure we did an episode of

We haven’t interesting.

Yeah, we’ve covered.
We covered a movie line from

that year, which I think.
Wrapped up a lot of.

A lot of it, yeah.
OK, so let’s get back into it a

little bit before we actually,
before we get into it, there’s

one more thing I wanted to point
out because this is just such a

cool part about how this is
edited.

When you were saying like fast
turn around.

I’m like, yeah.
And they did this whole thing.

So also throughout the episode,
there are black and white.

And there’s a couple color ones,
too, I remembered.

And they look like film
photographs, maybe stills, maybe

some combination of them.
And they’re of Drew.

And they’re also spliced in with
these videos.

So there’s a lot of, like,
transferring between things, but

it’s very seamless while also
being like, I don’t know,

really.
Like, it’s really well done,

like, really beautiful.
And they’re like, they just

showed at the same time as the
video.

Like a picture will be like, oh,
here’s the same scene.

She was just talking here in her
car, but here’s like a

photograph.
Yeah.

And they were cool.
Do you remember?

They’re so tiny.
They’re from the MTV website.

Like they put some of them up
there at the time.

And, you know, back then things
were just so small on the

Internet.
So they’re like itty bitty

little picture.
They’re like 200 pixels wide.

Yeah, but at least we have them.
Oh yes, and I didn’t realize we

had them just like on like in
our drive saved like I.

Definitely need to take like
screenshots of every single one

right that they show, but that’s
a whole different thing.

Right.
OK, so the episode starts and

the cool thing is we get the
exact dates that they’re filmed

through, says the date.
So as an archivist, chefs,

absolutely, Absolutely.
Actually not chef’s kiss.

I think they say like 01 instead
of 2001 on the screen.

I have a problem with that.
But we would never think it was

So Drew tells us it’s September

And it starts off with us.

We’re withdrew and she’s driving
around LA and she’s talking

about how she had just hung an
American flag on her front door

with a sign that she had made
that says now is the time to be

brave.
And that definitely like it

takes on a different connotation
now, right.

Like, yeah, American flag.
It’s it’s so interesting how

much that has changed. 25 years.
Yeah, that’s that’s put a lot of

like change.
Yeah, again, this is just 911.

It just happened, just happened.
And she also shares that she’s

given blood and made anonymous
donations, and she’s just like,

trying to do what she can to
help, but she’s really

overwhelmed with everything
that’s going on.

And then she starts getting
really emotional and she

basically like shuts down the
conversation, which is sort of

unusual to see.
Yeah, it is.

Let’s.
Not talk about that, OK.

Like even her voice changes can
from how she was sounding right

before.
Yeah, she kind of like, just

like you said, shuts it down.
Let’s not talk about that, OK?

And she’s like smiling too.
Like, let’s just go on to.

Smiling, but a little like we’re
not going to do this anymore.

We’re done.
Yeah.

And then Drew talks about
filming riding cars with boys

and how well-being Bev Beverly
in the movie, she didn’t smile

or say hi to people.
But normally who I am, I’d, you

know, be like, hi, how are you
flowers and dances and

butterflies.
I remember watching that with

Rocco and he was like, that’s
you, that’s how you are.

Never forget.
I was like, hell yeah.

You’re like, that’s the goal,
dude.

Do you not understand?
And Drew comes into a studio to

loop dialogue with Penny
Marshall, which is basically

like they’re putting dialogue
over parts in the movie where

the audio wasn’t perfect.
Drew’s like kind of saying like

she understands that sometimes
it’s necessary, but she really

prefers the original performance
because you were like there in

the moment.
So it’s it’s a hard thing to do.

I can’t even imagine how
annoying that would be to try to

like, put yourself back months
later.

And yeah, yeah, it’s, it’s an
interesting job.

It looks, it looks hard.
You know, it like it does.

And then she goes on for a while
describing her relationship with

Penny Marshall.
She calls it incredible and

insane and intense.
And she said she says like kind

of in a like, I don’t know, it
feels like.

Vague.
I don’t know.

It’s vague, but in a way that’s
like, I don’t know.

She says she doesn’t think many
directors do things the way that

Penny does.
And I feel like it’s kind of

like, like Drew has worked with
a lot of people and for her to

have helped something different
about the way Penny does things.

Also, we know that they clashed.
In some ways, I’m very

interested.
It’s, you know, as you know,

it’s not one of my favorite
movies, but when we do cover it,

I can’t wait to dive into how
Penny kind of put Drew through a

lot.
That movie filmed for like 8

months, like a ridiculously long
shoot.

And I was just kind of skimming
Penny’s memoir and she’s not

very nice to Drew in it.
She basically, I didn’t even

want her for the part.
And it’s like kind of

complaining about it the whole
time.

And yeah, it was just
interesting to, like, go into

watching this part where Drew is
like trying to be really nice

and be like, oh, she like,
brought so much out of me that I

normally I wouldn’t have done
otherwise.

Yeah.
At what cost, though?

Well, I feel like what Penny was
probably doing was trying to

like completely change what Drew
is and the crazy.

Thing is, I think Drew’s vision
for the movie, now I’m going to

go off on a soapbox because I
have strong feelings about this

movie.
I think Drew wanted it to be

more dramatic, yes.
And I think Penny turned it into

this like, cheesy, schmaltzy,
goofy thing that is maybe a

little more normal.
Drew, it’s kind of weird.

It is weird because I feel like
she was like push, like pushing

Drew down to be like Bev, which
Drew want.

I don’t know.
Yeah, we can.

We’ll get into it when we do
that movie because yeah, we got

to talk about and I also like I,
I, I’m due for a rewatch of

that.
Anyway.

Just to like reassess, also like
watching because I remember like

liking the movie but feeling
like, why did that feel not

quite right?
There’s something not quite

right about it totally.
And I blame Penny.

I love in this part when she’s
looping the dialogue and she

says you know what the problem
is?

My voice isn’t raspy enough and
then she just like, turns around

and screams at the top of her
lungs like it’s so.

Drew.
Yeah.

And then she’s like, OK, She’s
like ready to go.

It’s so sweet.
But then she has to rerecord the

very end of the movie.
She sings the song Dream and she

has to rerecord it.
The audio isn’t right and she is

so pissed about this.
She’s not happy.

No, she’s literally going, this
is going to suck and she looks

miserable doing it.
Like I, I know she doesn’t think

of herself as like a great
singer or whatever, but like

it’s not supposed to sound
amazing or anything, you know?

It’s just this girl and her dad
singing in the car, so.

I know she’s so miserable
redoing.

So unhappy.
Like I had to put the like

straight faced emojis because
that’s like totally how she

feels.
Yes, yeah.

She also gets herself to cry to
do some of the dialogue.

And I thought this was cool
because they very briefly show

her sort of like, crying in
Penny’s lap.

Yeah, almost like Penny helped
her get to that place and we

just covered gun crazy where
Tamara Davis was saying Drew

didn’t want to cry fake.
I had to help her actually get

upset and cry and how it was so
hard and made her so sad to do

that to Drew.
And I was like, oh, that’s like

what she’s having Penny do here.
I bet it’s kind of cool.

I.
Feel like there’s even another

director who’s talked about
like.

Well, Wes Craven.
Thinking about her thinking, Oh

yes, helping her thinking of
something really upsetting so

that she could get really upset
on screen.

They had their secret story,
which isn’t really that secret.

I won’t go into detail, but.
I think I know it.

Entailed animal abuse, yes, and
if he would talk about it would

help her get to that place to
cry.

So yeah, maybe Penny was telling
her something like that too.

Who knows?
Or just like talking to her

normally and then.
Baby, baby, you’re not good

enough for the spot.
I didn’t want you.

It’s a perfect Penny Marshall
impression.

Thanks, it was so right on.
Yes.

And then Drew also struggles
with promoting riding cars with

boys post 911, of course, and
says that part of her wants to

just go up to Canada and live in
an RV.

And I was like, didn’t Tom
actually do that?

I think, yeah, it’s something
like that, but also it’s the

magic car.
What’s that?

Oh, it’s the RV, Dougie.
It’s the magic car, home away

from home.
Speaking of her singing voice.

Now I get why she was crying
when she had to sing.

No, just kidding.
We love you, Drew.

We did not know that connection
was going to come right up

immediately.
That’s very funny.

OK, so back in the car just
driving again and she’s dancing

to this like groovy, sort of
Indian inspired music.

I would say she’s like you can’t
get mad about traffic when this

is playing.
And I love that.

I love that.
I love how she’s kind of

dancing.
You guys will have to go watch

it if you want to see.
And she also starts talking

about energy fields.
And I just thought like as like

hippie groovy as Drew can be.
I really liked what she.

Said there, me too.
And you’ll hear a little bit of

the Indian music too, because
it’s in the background.

Oh, perfect.
I believe in energy fields, and

every person has 1.
And I believe that the energy

field glows in its most
beautiful color when you’re

laughing.
So sweet.

It’s just the perfectly like
perfect Drew thing to say too.

That is a great It’s not a
Drewism because it’s not creepy

or gross.
That’s a perfect Drew quote.

And it also means that this
podcast is just shooting

rainbows out of our asses
constantly because we’re always

laughing together.
That is true.

There are rainbows coming out of
my own ass all the time, OK.

And then Drew talks about how
she always knew she’d marry a

funny man and talks about
fantasizing talking to Tom in

the mirror, which I like.
Like also like thinking about

like the Wedding Singer when
she’s like talking.

In the mirror and.
Then she says, and now I’m

married to him, which is it’s
very cute the way she talks

about him.
These like few scenes of her

coming up.
She’s like around Tom and it’s

interesting.
You’ll point out in a second why

they go to Tom’s production
office.

Yeah.
And they go in and she’s like

husband, husband.
I always.

Love that.
And yeah, I I just couldn’t get

over.
She seems so in love with him,

like maybe her more than he was
seeming into her in these clips.

But he’s, you know, he’s always
like on.

On the camera so.
Who knows?

Yeah.
But yeah, she is just like, oh,

oh, she talks about how he makes
her laugh and she loves him so

much, and she’s just, like,
kissing him and just looking up

into his face with all this
adoration.

I’m like, they’re less than
three months away from him

filing for divorce.
Like how can life change that

fast?
I had a thought when I read your

note there that like think of
being married to Drew while she

was going through being Bev.
Yeah, yeah.

Because I wonder like, I mean,
OK.

So how long were and then the
house burns down?

And then the house burned down.
They went through a lot of shit.

They went through a lot.
They did and and like withdrew.

I don’t know she they went
through a lot, but also we’ve

talked about this and I think
like there was a lot of good

that came out of that too.
Like I think he was good to her.

I think she like learned what
she like couldn’t do for someone

in a relationship and she talks
about more in this.

Too.
Yeah, She also said something in

this.
I didn’t note it, but it was

something along the lines of,
like, how he, like, balances her

out or makes her a little more
sane.

And we’ve talked about that
before.

Like, that’s sort of surprising.
You wouldn’t expect Tom Green to

be the more grounded one, but he
does come from a much more

normal background than she.
Does and yeah.

They worked in a lot of ways and
then they didn’t.

So they do talk about.
I forgot how when they were both

away filming when she was doing
riding cars with boys and he was

doing Freddie got fingered.
They’d make each other love

packages of letters and
pictures.

You know, perfect classic snail
mail.

Drew Yes.
Someone sent me a letter.

Exactly, Exactly She.
Loves paper.

I love paper.
Yeah.

Yes.
And I thought this was kind of

interesting.
She starts to tell this story

about him coming to New York to
visit him.

And he’s like, I think I’d like
to keep some of the stuff

private.
And I was like, whoa.

Usually it’s him who’s living
out their entire relationship in

the meeting.
Their things online and yeah,

yeah, I mean, I think that he
like she didn’t he had a

different line that she than she
did depending.

I don’t know, like he was will.
I mean, he was like willing to

share like mundane parts of
their life, you know, just like

selfies of them on his page or
whatever.

But like, I don’t know what is
it for her?

She wants to share how in love
they are.

Yeah.
I don’t know.

Oh, interesting.
I feel like we could just go on

and on about.
Them her thing is more intimate

in a way.
Yeah, OK.

You’re right.
You know, I don’t know.

I don’t know.
He gives a little tour of his

office and then I was so happy
to freakin finally we have this

again because he shows a picture
from their wedding of the two of

them.
And if you guys don’t know, we

actually have a whole episode
about all of her weddings we do.

But there are like no real
photos of their wedding that

we’ve ever seen.
They’re just like shitty

paparazzi pictures, right?
So this is like the one that

exists where they’re actually
like looking at the camera and

posing.
And it’s very cute and very

sweet.
It is.

It’s very cute and like how
Tom’s like and no goatee.

I look like an idiot.
Yeah.

I like how when we were talking
about diary, you’re like, I just

need to get a snapshot of the
wedding picture because

everything has like that later.
Yeah.

It’s like you’ve been like
you’ve been like forming,

reforming it in your mind,
waiting for it to like reveal

itself to you in reality.
It’s just been living on that

VHS tape and now, finally, it’s
in the archive.

Yes.
And then to kind of wrap up this

day, there’s Drew doing the two
camera interview from later on.

And she reveals that through
marriage she has found out how

controlling she really.
I love this part too, just the

way she delivers it.
I hate that word compromise.

I’m going to hate the word
compromise, but it’s necessary.

But it’s.
Necessary.

I do remember, like I want to
say it’s Jay Leno, like kind of

questioning her on this because
she kind of brought it up to him

to like how she’s had to learn
how to compromise.

And I feel like it was him and
he’s like, well, I hope you’re

not like changing yourself for
him, right?

But I mean, she’s right.
Like you can’t make all the

decisions in your relationship,
right?

Right, Right.
Totally.

But also it’s, it’s funny, like
I think we like it so much

because of her expression and
how she has her delivery right.

Of course.
OK, so now let’s move on to

September 25th of 2001.
We’re in the Flower Films

office, which we love this kind
of stuff.

We love seeing the inside of
like her workplace, on her home

place and all those things.
We should have mentioned this is

the one on Sunset.
So this is their first one

before they got there kind of
more.

We always say like sophisticated
grown up version on Santa

Monica.
This is like the Romper room as

it was often referred to.
Totally.

And we get a sighting of Chris
Young Chris Miller, our friend

Chris Miller.
So cute.

I know.
They’re so adorable.

Drew starts talking about
starting the company in her

living room so that she could
just fall on her face in

private, just doing her own
space.

I love that.
I love thinking about like that

being a reason, like I can do it
safely in my own space.

And then we get a tour of the
Flower Films office, which we

love so much.
God, we were just obsessed with

this.
We were obsessed with this.

Yes.
And I, I’d forgotten a lot of,

like, the details of the inside
of it.

So it was kind of fun to, like,
rewatch that.

Like, I remember so much of the
dialogue, but then, like, seeing

the spaces again, just fun.
Yeah.

So she goes into her personal
office.

You pointed out that it looks
really different from when it

was photographed from Marie
Claire, which 99 is that when

that one came out and that had
like a bulletin board a couple

years prior, which also like
that we’ve been obsessed with

like all parts of it.
I only recently like started

going, is this actually the same
space as that?

Because I think I was watching
Ruby Wax and I started like

doing comparisons and I realized
like, oh, this is that.

Room She.
Just took the whole bulletin

board down again like a more
grown up version it almost felt

like.
Yeah, exactly.

The Charlie’s Angels dolls, the
ones of all the angels, are up

in her office and she said they
did a great job and they gave me

a hot body.
So thanks a lot.

So cute.
It’s so silly.

And then she shows basically
their movie poster wall, so all

the movies that they did any
sort of work on.

So that does include Scream and
The Wedding Singer and Ever

After, even though they were
just kind of like, yes,

producers and training on those.
And then all the other actual

Flower Films productions.
It’s always bothered me that the

posters are not up in
chronological order.

Yes.
I know.

But it’s just what it is, and
it’s kind of funny they they

have Donnie Darko up right and
it hadn’t come out.

Yet it’s like way in the corner,
yeah.

And we’re just like a few weeks
away from that coming out, too.

When did you have that poster
mailed to you?

Is it right around this time
too?

No, it was earlier the year
prior.

It was December 2000.
They like barely wrapped the

movie like it was like 2 months
later.

That’s right, it’s even crazier.
Like what?

I never really thought about
that.

Why did they have the poster
that early?

Weird.
It is weird and really cool.

Mysteries of the Universe
special.

And then we get all these really
cute and funny footage.

Of course, she’s got her dogs at
the office, and we get to see

them just being their goofy,
happy little selves.

Yes, and her introductions are
the best.

Well, there’s Nazi and Vivian
and Templeton.

Vivian.
Vivian and Templeton, and she’s

talking about how the dogs keep
her in reality, and she probably

needs that.
You know, it’s like, yeah, I can

see they make life more normal
for her.

Yeah, keep her grounded.
Totally.

We get a staff meeting in the
war room that’s like actually

says it on the door, which is so
cute.

Nancy Juvonen isn’t there, but
Drew like, briefly mentions

talking to her on the phone.
And they were working on a

Barrymore documentary, which I’m
like, RIP, cry face.

But do you remember in 2022 in
Drew magazine, she shared a

picture of her and Chris and it
said working on a new Flower

Films project.
And the Barrymore’s book is on

the table in front of them.
And I’m like, maybe it’s still

something she really wants to
do.

It just like hasn’t happened.
I hope so.

I mean, I like when you’re
saying rest in peace.

I’m sort of like, like, is it
gone?

Yeah.
I wonder why it hasn’t gotten

off the ground.
And it’s so interesting how in

this episode, when they’re
talking about the Barrymore

documentary, Drew says something
like, I want to talk to people

who knew them.
Yes.

And I feel like that moment is.
Yes.

Yeah, it’s that is gone that.
All those people are gone, yeah.

that’s a lot of time.

So it has been 25 years.
I mean, I wonder which is so

wild. 25 years this year.
What?

I guess this is our anniversary
episode.

We didn’t even think about it.
Oopsie.

Totally planned that.
Speaking of that book, I meant

to grab it real quick because
Drew does share a story here in

diary in the staff meeting about
she said someone, and she

doesn’t say who it is.
I had recently told her when

she’d visited, so I think it’s
her dad.

Yeah.
This story about her

grandfather, John Barrymore was
told by an quote, a quote,

Indian tribesmen, not my words
to kill a black bear and have

his wife Dolores eat the heart
and then he’d bear a son.

And she goes in nine months to
the day she had my father.

So it’s like 1 of that Barrymore
lore, right?

Like, yes, I mean, I went down
like a weird probably because of

this research.
I went down like a Barrymore

deep dive last night.
And there’s just so much that,

like, I can’t be a Barrymore
historian.

It’s too much.
I can only do Drew.

I know whenever I even think
about doing our like doing a

Barrymore episode, I get really
overwhelmed.

Totally like about the thought
of it because I would want to

like we’d have to just focus on
like the core because if there’s

yeah, it’s it really like
spreads out.

It’s like it’s.
And there’s all these stories

that it’s like, who even knows
if that’s true?

It’s probably a myth, but it’s
great.

It’s great to hear.
Like, I mean, it’s is it more

it’s more wild to think of the
story of her grandfather John

being carried around by his
friends, his dead body to like

bars for like one last party.
Like, I like to think that

that’s true.
And I like to think that this is

also somehow true.
But like, who knows?

It’s like Barrymore lore.
Like you said, Barrymore lore.

Barrymore lore, I like it.
So Drew points to her

grandfather John’s picture on
the wall in the office and talks

about how he has all these crazy
characters that he would play

and that she knows what she
does, what she does because of

her family.
Like, she really feels it

deeply.
We both love that in this part.

She, like, scrunches up her face
and hands, like Doctor Jekyll.

And she’s talking about John’s
crazy characters.

Like, it’s really fun to write.
Like, she gets so animated

talking about her family, and
she always kind of says the same

thing.
Like they’re watching me like.

Yes.
Oh yeah, and it’s funny that

like her impressions of him have
stayed the same.

Like the scrunched up face with
the fingers, like she’s been

doing that.
So she was little describing his

characters.
That’s so true.

I love that.
He acted like these crazy wild

characters and I know exactly
why I have this need to run

around and act like a scary
monster because he infiltrated

that with me.
You have to thank the people

that have inspired you in this
world and try and emulate them.

That’s what we’re doing here,
girl.

Hell yeah, that is exactly what
we’re doing here.

I remember that, like speaking
to me when this aired and like,

yes, that’s how I feel.
About you, Drew.

Yes, exactly.
And I actually have been able to

thank her since then.
Like I would never have imagined

at this time that I would have
had the opportunity to do

anything to show how much she
has meant to me.

And I mean, I would have been
like just meeting for the here

for the first time and assuming
it was going to be the only

time, you know, like.
Unbelievable.

And that was even wild.
That was blowing my mind, you

know?
Crazy of.

Course.
One really cool thing about this

every once in a while MTV comes
through so they have extended

additional footage of this kind
of tour through the flower films

offices that they released on
their MTV Vault YouTube in

September 2020.
And it’s like, it’s like about 6

minutes, but there’s tons of
stuff that is not included in

the regular diary episode.
And it’s, I mean, if you guys

are like anything like us and
just can’t get enough of this,

you gotta go watch it.
It’s pretty amazing.

And it’s like nice quality, too,
Yeah.

I know and that was the other
cool thing to like see some of

the shots that like because they
do have ones that are.

Are.
Yeah, and.

It’s like, oh, it looks so much
better than this VHS copy Oh

well, totally.
Oh well.

Happy to have what we have, but
yeah, sometimes MTV comes

through, but I feel like they’re
stingy with their vault.

Oh, their vault has so much true
in it we’ve never seen.

I just know it.
You gotta get in there.

OK, so back to the regular
episode.

Drew’s friend and frequent, very
frequent makeup artist Jillian

Fink Dempsey.
She was going by Jill Dempsey in

the like lower 3rd on the
screen, but she was also Jillian

Fink.
And anyway, she arrives at the

offices and it’s I love that
there’s no like explanation for

this.
Drew just starts calling her

the.
Yosh Fish doesn’t.

Swim and like saying all these,
Yeah, she’s just saying like

inside jokes and whoever was
editing was like, I’ll just

leave that in there.
Yeah.

And Drew shares how she and
Jillian had met about 7 years

prior on a shoot and noticed
that they kept laughing at the

same things.
And the earliest I’ve been like

sort of sort of trying to track
their earliest collaboration.

We don’t have complete records
of everyone, every shoot Drew

did, who did the hair and
makeup, but we know for sure

Jillian did Saturday morning
cartoons in mid 90, five and as

of now that’s the earliest one
we have.

Right.
Of there there could be

something else, but so she’s.
Pretty close on the guess.

Of seven years, yeah, for true,
that’s pretty good.

Yeah.
Yeah, it is.

And they just have like the
funniest little relationship.

They definitely are kind of like
us where they’re just talking

and like code and like no one
else would understand what the

hell they mean.
And I just totally relate.

I mean, I had that moment just a
second ago of us doing the

catfish and I was like, can they
even understand we’re saying the

catfish?
Like if we’re doing Drew’s like,

anyway, I’ll play this little
like bit of her kind of

describing the relationship and
just a little like perfectly

silly way.
Connected as two complete

weirdos.
We are twins.

We make these jokes where I
drive black Volvo, you drive

black Volvo.
We are like these funny little

like twins.
Healthy twins.

And we’ve said that for years
about us.

Oh, yeah, I know.
We got to bring that back.

We kind of forgot about that
one.

Yeah, they do just, like, say
the same things at the same

time.
It makes me a little sad that

they don’t seem to be friends
anymore.

Like I don’t really.
Know.

I guess we don’t know, but yeah.
Right.

She was a bridesmaid and Drew’s
wedding to Tom, like she’s

obviously very much part of her
life to be showing up in this

part of the episode, like to
even be featured, you know, No,

I just, I really she’s a good
dream guest on this podcast one

day.
One day that would be great.

That would be great.
While they’re at so they’re at

flower films and Jillian is
there working on her makeup line

Deluxe Beauty and they’re kind
of doing it together.

They’re collaborating and it’s
not really like stated really,

but Drew is more involved in the
with the company that like even

we really realized until we
looked at some like records and

in her divorce papers to Tom it
like it’s revealed that she did

have a financial stake in Deluxe
Beauty.

So it’s so cool like that.
This is sort of like a precursor

to a major thing in Drew’s life
later, which we’ll mention in a

second.
Yeah, no, it is so weird.

Like she was sort of testing the
waters of having a makeup line

as like a silent partner, I
guess.

Totally, absolutely.
I, we, I, I don’t know, I’ve

always loved this, so I’m
pulling the audio of it.

But they draw these little
eyebrows on Templeton and Drew

just like a voice, as if
Templeton is saying this.

I just think it’s so cute.
Like, I don’t know what you’re

doing.
Why do I love that so much?

Very.
I love it too.

It’s very Shay sardine.
Yes, totally, totally.

Oh.
Drew never change.

Yeah, totally.
So it was so cool to see her,

like playing with that stuff
with the makeup and like the

swatches on her arm totally made
me think about flower beauty.

I was like, Oh yeah, gosh.
Another RIP project.

Yeah.
OK, let’s move on to September

So Drew goes to her quote,

office at Duplex.
So that was the, I guess the

production offices for the movie
that was coming up that she was

doing with Ben Stiller where he
was also producing it with his

company.
And she shows that she has a

picture with Tom on her desk
here just like she does at her

flower Films office.
And I just think it’s so funny

because both of them are just
like Yeti images.

Pictures of them at the Show W
Awards in 2000.

Why is that the picture she has
on her desk?

Did she, like, ask an assistant
like to like, I feel like Chris

wouldn’t do.
I don’t know.

I guess maybe he was more of an
assistant at that point.

Yeah.
But where’s like her personal

photo, like he has the beautiful
wedding photo and she’s got this

one that like you could go
download.

She’s funny.
She also has framed pictures and

like a photo shoot picture of
her with the angels and then

some of her dogs.
I think she says.

Like you have to have pictures
of the things you love or

something like that, right?
Of course she does.

Yeah, and she heads over to the
casting department and there we

see Justine Baddeley.
We talk about Justine a lot on

this podcast.
She’s a long, long, long time

Drew friend.
Drew lived with her for a time

as a teenager, and she and Kim
Davis Wagner did the casting for

a ton of Flower Films
productions, so she’s working on

this one, too.
And Drew says she wants to call

in some of their old staple
favorites, who they worked with

on Never Been Kissed and
Charlie’s Angels.

But I didn’t see anybody in
Duplex who had been in those

movies, so I guess it didn’t
work out.

Right.
And I just always thought it was

like regarding like crew too.
But you’re right, they’re like

with the casting department.
So why would they be?

I think I just thought because I
don’t know why that’s where my

mind always went.
Interesting.

And maybe maybe because I’ve
thought about that, like, people

really like to do that, like use
the same crew ’cause they know

they’re a good team.
But yeah, I don’t know.

Who knows?
In the interview portion, Drew

talks about making films and
constantly going from putting on

her creative, hippie,
expressive, emotional hat to

putting on her rational,
meticulous, responsible problem

solving hat.
I love that little she.

Contains multitudes, yes.
Two dies and I also like we

we’ve talked about how like
we’ve kind of seen her switch,

you know, like at the show into
like this like professional mode

for a second and she’s back to
being 100% her herself with, you

know, true.
Great.

Yes, heard her.
Creative, hippie, expressive,

emotional hat.
Drew introduces the director of

Duplex, Greg Mottola.
And she like, hands over a plate

that’s in a little bag that I
guess is for a plant she gave

him, which I love too because it
just feels very like, oh, here’s

that thing for the thing I gave
you the other day.

Like I always love that too.
Why does it feel so sweet?

Because it’s just like, so Drew
being so giving, she’s like, I

gave you a plant and then I’m, I
must have realized later that it

needs a little plate under it.
So come bring that too.

You know, it’s like, of course
it’s really cute.

Yeah.
And then we switch over the

final day and this is, I’ve
always felt this is very like

abrupt.
We get 1 little segment from

this day.
So it’s September 28th, 2001.

So Drew is hanging out with
Molly Shannon.

They’re having a food at Ubon,
which was a Japanese noodle

restaurant in the Beverly
Center.

And we’re just in the restaurant
with them.

And I always like this always
seems so out of character to me.

Drew says that she’s on a raw
vegetable program, right diet

and how it sucks.
And I’m always like whoa, why

seems so not?
Yeah.

Why is she doing that?
Yeah.

Why?
Yeah, that’s all she says about

it.
And I bet she probably like,

regretted it because I feel like
she was very like she’s always

been so like body, body
positive, food positive.

So it’s it’s interesting, you
can get these little glimpses of

a different side of her
throughout this program.

True, Very true.
Molly Shannon says she’s kind of

pointing out that the first time
they met was at the Betsy

Johnson in the Beverly Center.
And she’s kind of like, pointing

because they’re, like, right by
there.

Yeah.
This is such a cute little

thing.
This is Drew’s response.

Looks like I was shopping for a
break.

So good.
It’s so cute.

And then Drew in the interview
and this is so her, she talks

about how important it is to
spend time with your

girlfriends.
I like how in the things she’s

talking about, like, oh, it’s so
hard to get together with

people.
Like everyone’s so busy and

Molly’s like, I’ll go to the spa
with you anytime.

But I feel like Drew has always
been this, like my friends or my

life.
I mean, I guess that’s all

because it’s her chosen family
also.

Yeah.
But yeah, the IT, it felt so

like, Yep, that’s her like that.
Is you know what else her just

occurred to me is because she’s
telling Molly like we don’t do

sleepovers anymore like I miss
that and it’s she we know that

like at least in recent years,
she’s done like sleepovers with

her friends for her birthday and
I’m like, oh, I love that she’s

again same old She’s.
Taking it back, yeah, the other

other thought I had about this
is like, how old is she in this?

OK, so she’s, you know, very

young and she’s saying like, you
know, we get older and we don’t

like do these things anymore.
And I’m like, you’re so young,

you’re so young.
But also like she feels like

such a pro.
She’s like got her company, but

she’s 26.
Like that’s so I don’t know.

She’s she’s so young.
I mean, I’m sure some of our,

maybe some of our listeners are
in that age range and they’re

like, is that young?
Yes, it is.

That’s.
True.

Gosh, there’s so much to come.
Yes, there is so.

For you too, Drew, Don’t you
worry.

Yes.
And then we’ve got this little

bit at the end to wrap it up.
It’s of course, it’s this like

little beautiful bow the way
that Drew does.

Beautiful and funny bow, right?
I think you have to find your

place in this world and actually
build yourself a foundation and

create a job and a life and a a
love and friends and know where

your priorities are and have a
great head on your shoulders.

That’s the wheels that’s been in
my head.

That’s the constant hamster on
the wheel.

Roundy, roundy, roundy, roundy.
I wish he’d get off sometimes.

It’s OK.
Roundy, roundy, Randy, Randy.

It’s like all so many of these
are just part of our vernacular.

I was just going to say that.
I was just going to say like, I

mean, I feel like almost all the
clips we pulled are like things

were right out for yeah, the
roundy roundy.

I don’t feel like I’ve said it
in a while, but they’re still

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Shit it.

Was it was like, I mean not that
that’s like super expensive, but

it’s kind of wild like shipping
things priority even in a small

box from like 2 states over.
Started.

Oh my God.
But anyway, I had to get it to

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Yeah, and it worked out.

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How Do You Drew Episode 131 – Years in Review: 1990-1991

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And I’m Ashley, and this week we
are discussing the years 1990

through 1991 in Drew’s
professional and personal life.

As we do.
And this is cool.

This is like, it’s almost like
we’re going a little bit

backwards because we did like a
re release of Poison Ivy.

Then we did Guncrazy.
Now we’re jumping back a little

like what led up to those.
Yeah, it’s kind of fun.

And we’re just, you know, guys,
if you don’t know our process,

it’s kind of like on the fly, we
decide this is what feels right

to come with now.
Yeah, we work on vibes.

Truly, like this is how it works
for us.

I can’t imagine doing it any
different way.

Like I, I mean, if you know,
there’s, there’s vibes and then

there’s like, oh, there’s an
anniversary that either happens

to fall or you know, anyways, so
by vibes, we decided on 1990 to

It felt right.

Vibes only man but.
Before we get into that, let’s

start with a couple things at
the top.

Yeah, we’ve got an oopsie Daisy,
and we want to thank our friend

at Drew Barrymore Rebel on
Instagram for pointing this out

to us.
This is mostly my fault, but

maybe both of us, because we
always forget the bit.

The movie Big Miracle exists.
I don’t know why.

Yeah, I, I can.
The only thing I can think about

with that movie is like behind
the scenes photos of her with a

beanie on.
Like, I’m not even kidding.

And I, I think I like liked the
movie, but I never watched it

again after seeing it in the
theater.

Maybe we’ll have to cover that
soon.

Maybe this is like, this is a
sign, this is maybe a vibe that

we’re getting a little bit that
like Big Miracle needs to be

covered just so we have a reason
to watch it.

I still have to say why so
Because we both forgot about Big

Miracle existing.
We forgot about the fact that

James Le Gro, Drew’s Co star
from Gun Crazy and Bad Girls and

Wishful Thinking is also in that
movie.

I don’t remember if they share
any scenes together though.

Do you?
No, I don’t remember because I

don’t remember the film.
I know it would have been good

to check, but guys, I only have
so much time, OK?

And like, we love Drew, but it
doesn’t mean we know her films

back to front.
Like we know her photo shoots

back to front.
We know like certain things, but

there’s certain films we do.
Yeah, sure.

And it’s just not one of them.
It just happens to not be one of

them.
So I’m sorry that we forgot

about that in our Gun Crazy
episode.

Sorry James, we love you man.
Yes, this we will not never

forget.
Now you.

Know.
Yeah, that’s true.

Thank you, Drew Barrymore Rebel
for bringing that up.

OK, this was cool when you sent
a question in to Ross Mathews

on Instagram.
So, yeah, Ross was doing like AQ

and A on his Instagram and I was
like, well, I got to ask about

drooping on Drag Race because
you guys, if you’ve been here

for a while, you know, I am like
constantly marching in the

parade of why has she not been
on as a guest judge?

So I that’s the question I sent.
And it was the first one he

answered, which is really cool.
And he said like, oh, yes, he

hopes and truly believes that
she’ll be a guest judge on Drag

Race someday.
And he said it’s really just

scheduling challenges because
they film it in LA, but she can

make it happen.
Come on.

So, you know, I don’t know if,
you know, the last winner of the

last season, which I still
haven’t been able to watch

because it’s still not out on
Paramount, was the one who did

the Drew impression and came on
the Drew Barrymore show.

Like, there’s so much
interconnection between her and

the show.
It’s just bananas.

She hasn’t been on it yet, so.
Fingers crossed, right, That.

I mean, that was cool to hear.
Like an insider be like, yeah,

it’s that has to happen.
It’s absolutely the right like

fit.
Right.

Absolutely.
On the Drew Barrymore Show, Drew

spoke with Charlize Theron.
That was cool also.

Because it’s a good.
Way because Charlize Theron now

has the assistant Tony Crago,
our dear friend Drews old

assistant.
Anyways, that’s I love that,

like I love to see it ’cause I
was like, oh this is cool to see

those worlds.
Colliding too.

Absolutely.
And you could see him in the

very beginning of the extended
interview off to the side.

I know I loved.
That anyway back to the show.

So Drew spoke to Charlize Theron
and it was about starring in

showgirls how they like showed
the Drew on the mirror in the

movie and Drew at that point was
saying like that she would have

gotten tattoos removed and
danced in AG string if she was

in it.
What?

Like do you think she literally
would get a tattoo removed?

I don’t think so.
I mean they would have put

makeup on it I guess.
Yeah.

But also, I don’t know, doesn’t
it work for the character?

Like if she had tattoos would
anyone even like think anything

of it?
I don’t know, maybe just so

people wouldn’t be like I don’t
know what I was going to say

like associating it with Drew,
but at that sure, it would have

been like pre us seeing a lot of
her tattoos, right.

Yeah.
I mean, she had everything up

through the butterfly, but
nothing on her arms yet.

Yeah.
That’s true.

That was all.
That was all later anyway.

That was just an interesting
like additional little fact that

got tossed in there as they do.
Yeah, cuz I feel like we’re kind

of the keeper of the information
about her almost doing show

girls.
Like I feel like we’ve sort of

reported on that more than
anyone else.

So now they’ll have her like
bring it up and talk about it

and so in depth.
I was like, that’s awesome.

So we’ll link to that extended
interview on the episode page.

Yeah.
And then finally, we mentioned

this super briefly at the end of
our last episode, but we got a

really nice shout out on Drew’s
Instagram.

Her social media girl had asked
us for photos of Drew when she

was younger, like pre 18.
Yeah, because she has none

apparently in this archive that
she occasionally pulls from.

Yeah.
So we sent over a slew of photos

and she used like 4 of them in a
really nice post.

And we got a little shout out.
It said, wow, Drewseum, thank

you for sharing so many photos,
photos of my life that I had

never seen.
I am so grateful.

So then of course, that day, our
follower count was just like

boom, boom, boom, boom.
Like every two seconds a new

follower was insane.
So if you’re one of those

people, somehow you found us,
You found the podcast because

you’re following us on Instagram
@drewseum

Thanks and hi.
Yes.

Hello and yes, thanks for coming
over here.

We also we love when that team
and Drew are able to like see

our value.
This is like, you know, it’s I

know it’s like kind of selfish
of us to like want that, but

also like that’s the purpose is
to be like, yeah, utilized by

that person.
Yeah, it’s like a full circle.

Nice moment.
Yes, Circle of life, all of it.

Yes.
So you’re welcome, Drew and

everyone welcome to the the
bright side.

I was going to say the dark
side.

Sunny side.
Yeah, exactly.

Let’s talk about what Drew has
proclaimed her love for

recently.
I love love all right.

True loves a giveaway.
Definitely.

She loves composting.
I love composting as well.

I grew up composting.
I knew it.

I was like, that feels like an
anthem.

She loves Hawaii last month.
She loves a couch friend.

Does she mean like a pet?
No, she means like a buddy that

you can just sit on the couch
and hang out with.

Same.
And then finally, Drew loves

Firestarter.
Oh yeah, Twisted Firestarter.

I am Firestarter.
OK, we don’t always get to visit

this corner, so let’s check out
our mailbag, our corner,

whatever it is.
You’ve got mail our corner with

the bag of mails.
OK, this comes from Shannon

under Score Barry under score
O’Grady on Instagram and Shannon

commented on our How do you drew
Instagram with a really nice

message.
And she said Drew’s openness and

honesty saved my life on
multiple occasions.

The parallels in our life are
crazy.

I really hope to meet her
someday so I can thank her every

time I’m going through a hard
time.

I would find a quote of hers and
put it on the wall for

inspiration.
She is a light, take a drink

bling.
I still feel like I need like a

sound effect.
I like that idea.

Because I mean, it’s so, so many
people refer to her that way and

for it to like, be directed at
us, almost like they knew.

Like we were going to be like,
hey, that was really cute.

Thank you, Shannon.
Yes, here’s another corner.

This is the corner I was
thinking of.

Let’s go into the kind Commons
corner.

So sweet.
OK, I pulled this and I love

this.
So Speaking of Drag Race season

the feeling Scene podcast and

she was there to discuss never
MC Kissed, which is really cool.

But the way that she described
Drew and I kind of talked about

this in our last episode really
briefly.

I just thought it was so cool.
I was like, Adore, you are one

of us and let’s take a listen.
What is the?

Enduring connection there of
Drew and what was the beginning

of the connection with Drew?
I mean, ever since I can

remember, I would say probably
scream when I was six years old,

like I just had this weird.
Or I can even go earlier to

Poison Ivy.
Like this is like, hell yeah.

She was my style icon.
She’s she was the embodiment of

just rebellious, almost like
sweet rebellious female rage to

me that I always wanted to
embody like specifically like.

God, she was even.
Firestarter, if you’re gonna say

it like that, exactly, you know
what?

ET phone home, motherfucker.
But it’s like, no, she always

was this kind of like beacon of
beauty and rebellion and kind of

like style to me that I always
identified with or always

gravitated towards.
I think she was like even in

Charlie’s Angels.
Yeah, man, she is.

Dylan is the is the like angry
bitch of the.

Yes, she’s just always super
punk, but with the flower little

edge, like flower films.
Love, love that about her.

I don’t know what it is.
There’s something very soft yet

thorny about her that I always
just was drawn to.

Isn’t that cool?
I love that so much.

And I love that they like
mentioned Firestarter.

We were just.
Talking.

I know.
I totally forgot about that.

Yeah.
Later on she even said the like

flower and thorn thing again
and.

And I was like, oh, that’s so
perfect.

Like we talk about that kind of
dichotomy of Drew.

‘S yeah, so yeah, like her
darkness, like.

That it exists.
Yeah.

OK, so let’s get into before we
go into the past again, let’s

get into what’s new with Drew.
Here we go with the news,

everybody.
OK, just a quick little catch up

on Hollywood Squares.
So episodes 2021 and 22, which

was the season finale, aired.
I was a little like surprised by

the season finale.
Did you watch it?

I have not watched it yet.
OK, it was a little like anti

climatic, like it didn’t have
necessarily like my favorite

group of people.
And then like the person in the

end didn’t win.
I was like, this is the season

finale.
Not sure why they chose to do it

that way.
I wonder if they just play them

in the order they recorded them,
but I have to like I don’t.

Know seem like it actually I was
talking some of that along the

way.
So I don’t know.

Who knows?
TV.

Production and.
Maybe maybe it’s also because it

feels like we like didn’t know
when the season was going to end

and like, if they’ve had this, I
wonder if they’re like, let’s

just put this one out.
Yeah, maybe that kind of thing.

Because, you know, stuff gets
cut all the time in TV and.

We know that.
Anyway, she looked beautiful as

always.
Is Deborah doing all her makeup

still?
And all that, of course.

Yeah, so great.
So great.

OK, so let’s go through the
bonus round questions.

You ready?
Let’s.

OK.
Drew once lived in a yurt for 18

months.
False.

It’s a good one, though.
Yeah, Drew’s babysitter was

Pauly Shore.
True.

I mean, I think it’s a little
bit of a stretch.

I think it was more.
Like it was more like.

At the Comedy Store, maybe Polly
would be in charge of watching

her for a little bit, but still,
it’s true.

OK, now I’m going to get a
little upset about this one.

OK, so this one was Drew hates
an open faced sandwich.

OK so I haven’t seen this one
but I’m guessing you’re mad

because she said true.
Yeah, OK.

And I was like, BS Drew, you
have a freaking open face

sandwich in your cookbook, Rebel
Homemaker, and there’s a picture

of you eating it with a huge
smile on your face.

But like, the reason I was extra
mad is because she had the

winning card for that one.
And so if I was the contestant,

I would have said that’s false
because I know her cookbook, and

then I would have lost $25,000.
Well, then you would have been

like Drew.
Yeah, I would have been like,

excuse me?
Yeah, because you would have at

the beginning when like I run
the Druseum and.

You can’t stop me on anything
drill related, so I don’t know,

maybe her mind has changed.
So the person said false the.

Person agreed and they got it.
They got the money.

Oh, OK.
So they were wrong, but they

were right on the show.
Interesting.

I wonder.
I wonder.

I mean, some of these obviously
feel like they’ve done research

and like choose it this one.
I mean, who knows why they would

select something like that?
I mean, maybe Drew had a bad

experience with one since
writing Rebel Homemaker and now

she hates them.
I could see it.

Maybe.
Maybe she was eating one and

something stained her clothes
and she couldn’t get the stain

out and then she would have been
really.

Mad.
I mean, you probably know better

than her what happened to that
decision.

Like, she’s probably like, yeah,
that’s a fuzzy sandwich.

Exactly.
But just to wrap up Hollywood

Squares talk, we don’t know if
there’s a Season 3 happening.

Season 2 was announced in May
last year, so we’re right around

that time still.
Maybe, but I’m a little

concerned we haven’t heard yet.
I really hope they bring it

back.
I hope so too because even if

there are dud episodes, like
they’re mostly really fun and

they have such fun people on the
show.

I know such great comedians.
I mean, it’s it’s always great.

It’s so fun and seeing Drew on
there and having in the center

square, like I feel like she’s
like like the perfect center

square, like the way that the
way that like so many people who

like I mean, she’s in the
middle.

So obviously a lot of people
choose her first, even

strategically.
But people will say like, like,

you know, the enchanting Drew
Barrymore, like my favorite

Angel, yes, like or like someone
I’ve always loved Drew

Barrymore, you know, like it’s
very much like enhancing her

sweetheart or like putting her
on that sweetheart pillar in

like a really fun way while she
gets to be her like dirty fun

self.
I know.

All right.
Fingers crossed.

We’ll, we’ll report.
I’m hoping that the people who

are the producers of the show
are like, although they’re like

Drew and her people are.
Some of them.

Right.
Anyways, we’re hoping it comes

back.
We’ve got another new thing.

I actually didn’t even know
about South.

Drew attended the finale after
party for Late Show for Stephen

Colbert.
Not surprised.

I mean, I know, Yeah, they like
she loves him.

It is kind of interesting, like
I wonder how she feels

ethically.
I don’t know because she works

for CBS.
Who are the ones?

Right.
I cancelled the show.

I wonder if that feels weird to
her, but I’m glad she showed up

as a, you know, showing her
support.

Me too.
Totally.

You do?
Yeah, it.

Looks like there’s a lot of
other cool people there.

Speaking of Poland squares, I
see Tom Lennon.

I see.
I see.

Like, David Byrne.
Yeah.

And Weird Al.
Come on.

That’s really cool.
And then Speaking of CBS, they

posted a video yesterday, today
showing seat placements for the

upcoming Tony Awards that are
happening as of this recording

Sunday.
It’ll already have happened when

you guys hear this.
So anyway, it showed Drew how to

seat as a guest.
But I feel like anytime she’s

like a guest, she never shows
up.

Really think it would say like
presenter, there’s definitely

been events that she’s supposed
to have gone to and then nothing

comes of it.
So.

I mean the Tonys.
Does it happen in New York I

assume?
Yeah, so.

That feels like easier.
I mean, you know, for her to

just like pop into something
like that, that’d be fun.

I mean, I was just gonna say
actually about her attending

this after party, Like it’s not
a like super public event, but

like I love seeing her go out
because we, you know, we love to

see what she’s like gonna wear
or like she’s herself like on

the show she’s styled and this
is like, but like, I don’t know,

seeing her own styles.
Yeah, I agree.

And hopefully, I mean, we’ll see
if she does go to the Tonys,

she’ll probably wear a suit, but
maybe it’ll be something

different and she’ll surprise
us.

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OK.

So are we ready to go back in
time to talk about 1990 to 1991?

I mean, you know, I always want
to talk about the 90s.

That’s true.
Yeah.

So we are, this is our segment
is the entire show this week in

Drew history?
No this year in Drew.

History, I know pretty much
these two years in Drew history.

We don’t always combine years,
but from a like historian

standpoint, I still have a hard
time telling apart 90 and 91 a

lot.
And they just kind of go

together because everything she
was doing just feels.

It just feels like a complete
set.

So that’s why.
Like it overflowed a lot into

one ear and the other.
Like even going through this and

like seeing the pictures, I’m
like even visually, it’s so hard

to tell the years apart.
And like, we’re pretty good at

this for like a lot of her life.
It’s harder at a certain point,

like now, but anyway, so it felt
right.

Like as soon as you proposed it,
it was like, yeah, that I think

that really.
Works.

The vibes were right.
Yeah.

And it’s one of the gaps in our,
you know, that we haven’t done

yet.
Yeah, there’s a lot of like,

Speaking of, there are lots of
episodes that you could go and

like catch up on to, like kind
of bookend this.

So for the scoop on her life,
like right before this time

period, you should listen to our
little Girl Lost wrap up

episode, which is number 113.
There’s a lot of stuff there for

her life after this when all of
her hard work starts paying off.

Listen to our 1992 episode,
which is number 32.

Wow, that’s so early.
I know I was surprised by that

too, but it is like but.
It’s a big year.

Oh, it’s a huge year.
And it really is like this is

like her laying the groundwork.
Everything we’re going to talk

about right now.
And then the Renaissance happens

when everything starts coming
out in 92.

So it’s pretty cool.
Yeah, it’s huge.

All right, so let’s kind of set
the scene.

So at this point, if we’re
starting, you know, we’re in

Drew had not filmed anything at

all since 15 and Getting
Straight, which was done back in

January of 89.
So a little bit of a lull just

based on how prolific she’d been
acting before.

She had just left the ASAP
treatment program for the final

time in October 1989 after she
had had a few relapses and a

quote UN quote suicide attempt,
she said in 1990.

I just wanted what would get me
the most attention and at that

point in sympathy, I didn’t want
to die.

So that’s why we’re putting
quotes around the word suicide.

But still self harm.
Yes.

And after her release, she lived
with David Crosby and his wife

Jan Dance, who was her a a
sponsor for three months in

order to be with people who were
committed to sobriety and also

to give her time in a more
conventional house with limits

and rules, something she had
never experienced.

Before yes, also like to like
that.

That is more conventional to
like be with like.

To be with David Crosby, that’s.
So awesome.

I love this connection so much.
Yeah, yes, in January of 1990.

So we’re kind of jumping into
like this year that we’re

talking about finally.
She temporarily moved back in

with her mom, but was on her own
again very soon after.

So it’s just like kind of moving
around a little bit.

And that was.
It for the two of them.

Really.
Yeah, basically.

And this is really likely the
apartment that Drew talks about

in the Wildflower chapter, My
Beautiful Launderette, which we

covered over on our Patreon.
And it’s a really fun one for a

couple of reasons.
And Ashley found some locations

that are like pretty definitive,
like it’s a fun one anyway.

Yeah.
So she was in with her mom and

then out basically on her own
for the first time.

Yeah.
Drew at this time was still

frequenting a, a meetings and
therapy sessions.

So she was still basically in
treatment or, you know, adjacent

to treatment.
And we have a clip of her

talking about her sobriety a
little bit.

You can’t really like wake up in
the morning and, or like go

through a day and just like sit
there.

Oh, don’t get loaded, don’t get
loaded.

You know, you just, you’ve got
to be really positive, you know,

and you’ve got to make sure that
you are going to be with people

or be at places you know that
you know, you just don’t put

yourself in slippery situations.
You go to meetings, you know you

do things that makes you happy.
You know, just hearing that

audio, I’m like we probably
should have pointed out at the

beginning, we’re starting where
she just turned 15 years old in

So she’s very young, as you can

hear there.
Oh, it is really important to

say the age.
Because it’ll never make sense.

Even if you do the math, you’re
I, I feel like I would still be

like, she’s like 17, right?
Like just just like the

information we just talked
about, you know, like I even

though I know she’s so young.
So much packed in.

Yeah, she’s she’s just still so
young.

She’s younger than your your
daughter.

I know.
I mean, Speaking of how young,

so she was still attending high
school, we believe this was at a

school called Stoneridge
Preparatory at this time, and

she’s there for a little while.
But she was emancipated legally

by the courts of California from
her parents by February 1991.

So she always said she was 14.
She has a little wrong.

She used to know what it was,
but it was actually right before

she turned 16.
And she has said several times

that she dropped out of high
school after this, Like as soon

as she was no longer legally
required to go, she was like,

see ya, I’m out of here.
I’ve never liked school and I’m

done.
She’s like, no thanks.

Yeah, we’ve talked about this
kind of a bit recently.

So Drew at the time supported
herself working odd jobs.

Guys, if you don’t know, she
like didn’t just have a ton of

money from her earlier work like
things were spent or in like a

whatever.
Trust buying a house for her and

her mom that got sold when she
was in rehab anyway.

She also like, I think she just
was like craving work.

Like she realized because when
we talked about my beautiful

launderette that chapter, it was
like, that’s what I need.

A job like this is what makes me
a, like, an adult.

Yeah.
So a couple of things are.

She worked the door at
nightclubs run by her sober

friend Brent Bolthouse.
Is that crazy?

Can I just say when we saw him
as a DJ opening at the Roxy, 30

Seconds To Mars at the Roxy,
Yeah.

I don’t think we knew all of
this, how much of A close friend

he was to drew in.
The early 90s, no.

And also like, it’s funny
because it’s like we probably

were nearby nightclubs that they
were working at even then.

Totally.
Day or so, right?

Anyway, yes, I don’t think we
knew.

No, I don’t think we knew at
all.

I love this little thing you
pulled.

Is this just like a video of him
where he says she was my cashier

like.
Yeah, yeah.

He says like when they were both
like doing the program they met

through like, you know, maybe a
a meetings.

I’m not really sure.
But he says like, yeah, she

worked for him as his cashier.
And I have these weird, this

weird photo from like a foreign
magazine of her clearly doing

that job.
I’m like almost certain she has

like a sharpie in her hand in
cash and she’s looking probably.

For exes on the hands for young
people.

Exactly whatever.
Or just like you know, you paid

or whatever it is totally.
Why else would she be holding

money like in that way?
Pretty cool.

Yeah, I love it.
Like, anyway, it’ll be in the

episode page, I’m sure.
So if you want to see that.

She also worked at a coffee
shop, the Living Room on La Brea

this week.
She talked about a little bit in

that chapter that we were
talking about.

But deep down, she wanted to get
back to acting, even though she

was kind of being laughed out of
casting rooms at this point.

Like, she was kind of
blacklisted, which is so, like,

sad to think about.
You know, people love her, loved

her before, loved her after.
It was just like within the

world of Hollywood.
It was like really messed up.

And she’s so young.
Yes, we’re just thinking like,

she’s 15.
But she persevered and didn’t

give up, she said.
I just want to keep working and

acting.
That’s like my natural drug.

I love that, too.
It’s like she just needs to be

stimulated by.
Something absolutely she needs

to be an employee.
One other thing that was going

on at this time, she did get her
driver’s license at age 16, but

she said, quote, I’ve been
driving for years, of course,

but it’s a hell of a lot more
convenient to be legal.

Which I.
Remember when we were reading

Little Girl Lost?
She’s like 13, driving right?

And it was just like what?
They like, went out somewhere,

like went to the mall or
something.

Yep.
She has said before that she

temporarily lost her license
like soon after getting it

thanks to maybe like an accident
and or tickets unclear and she

had a Jeep that she hated at 1st
and she later replaced that with

the BMW so so.
A couple little like, yeah, what

giving you a vision of what it’s
like for Drew at this age?

It’s fun.
Drew on the road.

Right.
And also more about her look.

So let’s like get the visual
long blonde hair for like all of

frequently like with a kind of

like side flip that was pretty
far over like kind of classic.

Great timeline, yeah.
Short lived Perm in the early

like mid 1991 for Poison Ivy and
then she did cut her hair spur

the moment for Guncrazy between
September to October of 1991.

And then she was even shorter by
December.

And in the Gun Crazy episode
that we just did, we talked

about this, that it was like
scary for the studio, I think.

And then Tamra Davis loved the
like haircut, but it was like

sudden and that it looked like a
little choppy and

unprofessional.
And also, Tamra had to refilm,

like, or do some pickup shots.
And Drew’s hair had already been

changed.
So once you know, and you watch

the movie, you can see it’s
gotten even a little bit shorter

and a little bit, like, brassy
or blonde.

Yeah, totally.
So Drew was wearing a lot of

thrifted clothes at this time.
She was frequently seen in

ripped jeans, plain white
T-shirts, black leather jackets,

Jean jackets, chokers, cross
necklaces, boots and menswear.

So very on trend for the time.
Yeah, and like, very similar to

like Poison Ivy, just a little
more toned down, you know?

Not quite as like skangy.
Exactly, and not like short

short skirts, it was way more
like pants, you know?

But like, the leather jacket is
so badass, Yeah.

And then with her tattoos, so
she already had her little

flower bouquet on her left hip
prior to this, but sometime in

this timeline.
So the 90 through 1991, she

definitely got her cross between
mid 1990 and mid 91.

And then we know she had her
moon tattoo on her toe by the

time she filmed Guncrazy in
November 91 because it is

visible in the movie.
Yeah.

Tamra Davis, the director of Guncrazy.

She recalls that Drew got her
jade tattoo around the time

filming Guncrazy.
So she was on the little

tattoos, you know, boom boom,
boom at this time.

And again, she’s not even
legally allowed to at 18.

But maybe like the emancipation,
who knows how that?

Works.
Yeah.

I don’t know, I guess.
Yeah.

Does your ID say I’m emancipated
like?

Yeah, how does that work?
Anyway, at that time also she

was pictured with a cigarette in
her hand like basically every

time she was photographed like.
Every red carpet like it’s

crazy.
I mean, a lot of people were

smoking more, but also Drew was
like constantly and then her

beauty routine.
I love that you were able to

like find this because it’s it’s
like nice to like think about

like her as a person in the
simplicity, right.

So beauty routine was shampooing
her hair with Evita and washing

her face with Clinique.
And she said, I always have

lipstick on.
I feel naked without it, but I

never wear makeup except maybe
mascara.

And it really does track in all
the photos.

She’s always like very beautiful
face with some dark lipstick.

Yeah, it’s really fun.
All right, so we’re just going

to briefly go through the
relationships that she had at

this time.
We have a whole episode on her

romantic relationships.
It’s episode 118.

So if you want details on any of
these, go listen to that.

We’ve already done it.
So during this time she was

confirmed to be attached to
Balthazar Getty for, I don’t

know, maybe half a year.
It’s kind of weird.

He does seem to overlap with the
other guy, Leland Hayward, and

she was seen with him August 90
through mid 91.

There was like engagement rumors
at that time.

Again, she’s 15.
And Jerry said no, I’m not

getting married, don’t
congratulate me, please.

I was in a relationship with a
person for about a year and he

bought me a diamond ring.
I joked about it a couple of

times and boom, I was engaged to
be married without my even

knowing about it.
So like, who knows?

She’s 15.
He’s like 24.

At least we think so, right?
Probably for the best.

Yeah, I think probably for the
best.

I also am glad that it was based
on a joke.

But like, I it’s funny how I was
just thinking about like the

overlap.
Like, you know, I think Drew

some of these like she almost
thinks of them as like maybe a

friendship like at this point,
like right.

Like when she’s recollecting or
she like says that like I wonder

if like she doesn’t realize how
much she was like a being

photographed with these people,
right?

Like that, Like, you know, she’s
maybe at the time it was just a

friend.
And then like they actually

started dating and it was like,
wait a minute.

Yeah, it could be.
Right.

I mean, maybe similarly she
wouldn’t realize like when we

think of the overlap with like
Luke and Eric, right, We know,

unfortunately, I don’t know,
Drew.

No shame, honestly.
Like no, no.

No too many boyfriends, but we
love it.

And then the last person she was
attached to, which we’ve talked

about quite a few times because
he is much older than her.

I don’t know how to say his name
correctly.

He’s Greek.
It’s Phedon Papamichael

Papa Michelle.
Yeah.

And he is the cinematographer of
Poison Ivy and the director of

Sketch Artist.
And it was definitely a

relationship.
And I am so curious when he does

this.
Yeah.

Screening with Katt Shea of
Poison Ivy at the Academy Museum

next month.
I’m sure no one’s going to bring

up the fact he was dating 16
year old Drew, I hope.

Someone does.
I hope so.

You know, we have a couple
friends going and I’m like,

dude, raise your hand.
Yes.

Please awkward.
I want to know if he says

anything.
I mean, anyway, that will

probably be a cool event and I
hope they like record the Q&A or

whatever.
Well, we might have to have.

So Brian, our friend Brian is
going and then also Pete and

Scott for movies that made us
gay are going.

So we might have to have one of
them on to report back to us.

Yes, yes.
OK, so now let’s get into Drew’s

career because this is like what
she was working towards.

There was a lot of like work
behind the scenes happening and

the book.
So writing was one of the big

things.
So the autobiography Little Girl

Lost Co written by Todd Gold was
released on February 1st of

We’ve talked about this a lot

guys, over on Patreon.
I’m sure you’ve been inundated

with us mentioning that.
Anyways, she said.

People have said and printed
things I had no control over.

And it’s not like I have a lot
of secrets anymore.

I have experience and I want to
share that.

And that was like her kind of
like reason for doing this book.

Like I I want to say it.
Yeah, my own version, not

National Enquirer’s version.
Yes.

So you can’t if you if you’re
interested in this, go to

Patreon, listen to our deep dive
of every chapter.

Check out our interview with
Todd Gold on YouTube, which

we’re so like proud that we were
able to make that happen.

Like goodness gracious.
Speaking of like laying the

groundwork, we like that was
like a long time coming.

Definitely.
Drew said that she’ll at that

time she said she’ll probably
write another book, maybe

fiction this time, as she said
she was working on a screenplay

and that she’s written a fair
amount of poetry, which she also

had been known to read at LA’s
Cafe Largo, and there’s a really

cool video of that available.
That one’s more like a stand up

routine.
Right.

But it’s kind of like it’s
something she wrote, right?

That was, yeah.
It’s amazing and like, wow, a

book, a fiction book and a
screenplay.

We’re still waiting on those
ones.

Yes, we are exactly.
Everything’s kind of been a

little more personal all.
Right, so let’s talk about now

the our girls getting to work.
She wants to act again and she

is hitting the pavement.
Is that what you say?

Yeah.
OK, so May to July 1990, she

films No Place to Hide, which at
the time was known as Tipperary.

That movie didn’t come out for
three years, so that’s crazy.

Then somewhere between December

small cameo in the movie
Motorama.

We have a whole episode about
her cameos if you want to know

more about that.
Yes.

Then the biggie, the big break,
the like big role, May to July

As you guys know, we just

released our episode on that.
And then this is really

interesting.
So there are these like unmade

movies of Drew’s, right?
Where it was like reported,

she’s doing it, she’s doing it,
and then it just disappears.

So three weeks after Poison Ivy
wraps, she was supposed to start

on a movie called Ecotopia,
which was a futuristic drama

that was going to be directed by
Rene Daalder.

And Balthazar Getty was actually
going to be in the movie too.

And it’s reported on many times.
Like I found 3 examples, just

boom, boom, boom in our
magazines.

And she said, quote, it’s
totally a transition from this

film Poison Ivy because I play
the head cheerleader.

She’s very sweet and innocent,
Miss Popular.

So no idea what happened to
that.

Would have been really neat to
see but fell through.

Sounds interesting for sure.
Do we know how she knows

Balthazar Getty?
Like is it possible?

Like they met because of this?
No, I think he was just part of

the crew that she would hang out
with, like David Arquette and

Rodney Harvey and.
All those guys.

OK, got it.
So some more movies that she was

filming cuz she was just kept
working right around June of

cameo in wax work too.

Although yeah, it’s it is, I
guess, cameo.

It’s really short.
Yeah, it’s probably, I think it

was 1 evening after midnight.
Right.

And then right around October of

artist.
We have like a couple little

like, pieces of evidence that
make that lead us that way.

And then in November of 1981,
she started gun crazy.

So like, this is like, really
pretty back-to-back, so good for

her.
She was also like, Speaking of

things that like, didn’t happen.
She was heavily campaigning for

the role of Lolita in Adrian
Lynn’s remake.

And she mentioned it in a few
interviews.

She said, I want it so badly.
I can taste it.

I’ll do anything to get his
attention.

I’ve got to do it.
It’s mine.

And yeah, that didn’t end up
like being made until 1997, and

it was with Dominique Swain in
that role.

I’ve never seen that that
version of Lolita.

I’ve seen it.
I don’t really remember it.

It is like, and I know we’ve
discussed this and we probably

even talked about in our Poison
Ivy episode because that was

like, this is my chance to be
like a Lolita.

I always like feel very
conflicted when I go back and

see her like, obsession with
this role because I don’t think

she like understood it properly
and it is like supposed to be

disturbing and I don’t think she
viewed it that way at all at

this time.
Yeah, I think that that was

like, for some reason a lot of
people like, really romanticized

Lolita as like a figure.
Which is crazy, right?

But yes, so she she films, she
films, she films, she films, but

nothing was released at all
between the years 1990 and 1991,

which is pretty unusual for her
filmography because all those

things were later released in 92
and 93.

So like we said, laying the
groundwork, doing all the work,

setting up the foundation and
then 92, boom.

Like her career basically
explodes.

I’m going to say something
that’s like so like it’s obvious

to us now, but wasn’t at the
time.

I’m like thinking about how like
films are made a while ago and

then they’re released.
Like thinking of a film as like

like anything.
Like if I if I’m thinking about

Mad love, I’m thinking 1995, but
like it is drew, you know, in

the previous year anyway.
So like that’s just like it’s,

it’s obvious to us now, but
like.

You know, as as insiders, it’s
like I maybe people realize

things don’t like just get
filmed and then come out, right.

Away no people definitely always
like get it wrong because like

it drives me crazy because I’m
like she wasn’t 7 when she

filmed ET like she was 6 because
I’m that annoying person.

But you’re like, wait, yeah,
because we are so thinking about

Drew’s actual timeline anyway.
Timeline, yeah, yes.

Should we talk a bit about like
the TV appearances because there

were a bunch around this time?
Yeah, but they’re all like kind

of clustered.
Yeah.

So in February 1990, she was
promoting the release of Little

Girl Last, of course.
So she went on some shows we’ve

never seen, which includes
Sally, Jesse Raphael, and Good

Morning America.
I bet there’s more we don’t even

know about.
Totally.

There have to be.
Yeah, she went on the Arsenio

Hall Show for the first of quite
a few appearances and that one

is on YouTube kind of recently
and it’s very cool.

We’ll link to that.
You guys have to watch that.

And then she was doing press
junkets too.

Like we have footage of her that
was done for E, for Little Girl

Lost promotion.
And I actually have the uncut

footage, which is crazy.
And she’s very, very somber and

down in that.
And then this next one even more

so.
So I think this was filmed at

the same time as all this other
stuff, but it didn’t air until

June 1990.
And that was an Oprah prime time

special that was called In the
Name of Self Esteem.

So it wasn’t Oprah’s like
Regular Show, but it was like a

special version of it, I guess.
Interesting.

Yeah, and Drew does this
interview alongside her mom,

Jade, and Oprah definitely comes
up them very, I want to say kind

of aggressively about everything
that happened to Drew, but.

Like Barbara Walters style.
Yeah, maybe even worse.

And Drew’s demeanor.
Did you rewatch it?

I haven’t watched it recently
but I kind of remember her being

like very like quiet and sort of
like dry.

Yeah, one of the comments on
YouTube is like the Jaggers that

come out of her eyes when her
mom is talking.

Like she just looks.
She’s just like when her mom’s

talking.
So it’s an interesting one.

Very like, not like herself.
No, not at all.

And you can kind of see like
their relationship was toxic,

you know, like they’d they’d
done therapy or whatever.

But like it still wasn’t
obviously we as we know she only

was able to go back and live
with her mom for like maybe a

month before I was like, this is
not going to work.

Yeah.
Totally, Yeah.

And then the final TV appearance
she made during this time was in

December 1990.
And this was on auk talk show

called The Wogan Show.
And we had seen clips of this

for years because it was an Mt
VS biorhythm without knowing

like what it was like.
Finally, we have the source and

this is also on YouTube.
And she’s beautiful and

wonderful in this one and and
has come a long way.

You can tell like she’s much
more mature even though it’s

only been like 10 months.
Right, I need to rewatch both of

these because it’s such an
interesting timeline for her.

Like her, she seems so mature.
Also right 15.

Still.
Right.

Yeah.
Like I know in the one with her

mom, I think that’s just like
being around her mom probably

brought something really weird
out in her.

I think so.
So we’ve got some event

appearances, like a bunch like
Drew like was out and about.

She went to so many.
Yeah.

And we’ve.
Kind of like hypothesized, she

was trying to be on everyone’s
radar.

Like she needs to go be seen,
she needs to network.

She’s trying to get her career
back on.

Track This is something I never
would have thought about before

we started doing like these kind
of like internal thinking about

Drew as like a eventually going
to be a producer.

Like yeah, I think that there
was something yeah about like

going into a premiere and like
either supporting someone you

want to work with, you know, or
any of those things.

So we’re just going to list some
highlights because there’s so

many.
The premieres we know of include

Longtime Companion Without You
I’m Nothing, The Freshman, Young

Guns, Too.
Flatliners pump up the volume.

Pacific Heights.
Kosher.

So many.
Welcome Home.

Roxy Carmichael, Marked for
Death.

Jacob’s Ladder, Sleeping With
the Enemy, Guilty By Suspicion,

Toy Soldiers, Stone Cold, The
Indian Runner, My Own Private

Idaho and Bugsy.
But so many.

Do you have any specific things
that come out of in your mind as

like, oh that makes sense why
she would go to that?

Not really.
I really think it was like

anything she was invited to.
Yeah.

I mean, I think the most
interesting one on the list is

Welcome Home Roxy Carmichael,
because that’s a Winona Ryder

film and we know she was feeling
a lot of competitive.

Spirit.
With Winona at this time, so I

kind of like that.
She’s like, I’m going to go

check this out.
And I see this in person, listen

with her in the room.
Yeah, right.

And then there are a bunch of
other events.

So in March of 1990, she went to
a Crosby Stills, Nash and Young

benefit concert.
Is this around the time that she

was living with Crosby?
Right after.

OK, right after.
So like, it makes it makes sense

total.
But also that’s great.

Who doesn’t love Crosby, Stills,
Nash and yeah, come on.

And then there’s not another
event until February of 1991.

It’s not like one of those
premieres that was Drew’s 16th

birthday, which was at the
Roxburgh.

She looks so cute at her 16th
birthday.

Beautiful.
Like the little curls coming

down her hair in the front.
Like it’s just a sweet.

And then in June of 1991, we
have the opening of the ET ride

at Universal Studios.
This was also like one of those

like seeing like I mean, are
Steven and Drew, Steven

Spielberg and Drew photographed
together at this?

They are right.
A little bit, yeah.

Right.
And I feel like it’s one of

those like there’s a big gap of
like not seeing them together

and then like that, right, as
far as publicly.

Totally.
And I kind of love her look at

this too.
I feel like she looks like she’s

like blazer and sunglasses, but

really cute.
And she’s got her perm from

Poison Ivy in it.
And then we have an exhibit.

So in October of 1991, the
photographer Matthew Rolston has

has an exhibit.
They were like friends and had

worked together and.
Yeah, we’ll talk about that more

in a second, actually.
But yeah, there were.

So.
I mean, there’s so many more

than that.
Like I picked the ones that were

the most like memorable to me.
There’s so many times she’s like

photographed outside of this
place called Bar 1.

She’d go to all the time, other
clubs and parties.

Like, it’s kind of wild because
when you look at 9394, she’s

photographed like, a handful of
times throughout the entire

year, but these two years, it’s
just like, boom, boom, boom,

boom, boom.
Like she was just out and about

all the time in LA.
Yeah.

And I feel like one point we
were talking recently about like

a point when she got like
surprisingly private was that

was it like the 9394 era?
I’m trying to remember.

Yeah, it was after 93 when she
went to the Billboard Music

Awards.
And then a bunch of rumors came

out and she’s like, that’s it,
I’m not going out anymore.

And that’s right, doesn’t go to
any events.

So interesting, but yeah,
they’re like she’s definitely

like she wants to be out in this
world I.

Also, I wonder, like, she’s
still adjusting to a different

lifestyle where she was going
out to party all the time at

Claude’s.
That was like her favorite thing

to do.
And like, it’s almost like she’s

trying to replace it with this
other version of that.

And then it was like, maybe it
wasn’t even a great idea for her

to be doing that.
And you know, who knows?

It’s just interesting to think
about.

Yeah, it really is.
Totally.

All right, so let’s talk about
the photo shoots that were

released in 1990 and 1991.
We know that there’s some more

that she did in 91, but they
didn’t come out until 92 and we

already covered those again in
our 1992 episodes.

So yeah, there were a lot of
like these small little one offs

that we’re not going to get
into.

So like it was one page in a
random magazine or we don’t even

know what it was taken for.
There’s quite a few of those.

This is before her being cover
star on magazines so much, but

we do have a few so People
magazines January 29th, 1990

issue and the photographs were
done by Mark Senate.

That is the one with the
headline no happy ending.

And it’s about, you know, her
relapse.

This photo shoot was also used
for the little girl lost

paperback that was released in

So those photos are very
similar.

And then the inside of that
issue of people had different

photos by Mark Sennett that were
kind of of Drew just like living

a normal life.
So at her house and with her

horse at the time, hanging out
with her mom for that very brief

period that she lived back with
her.

They’re they’re really cool.
Of course, we love the ones of

her on her bed with a white cord
phone, Marilyn Monroe photos on

the wall behind her.
She’s in tie dye.

Like it’s so good.
It’s like her bedroom, her

element, yeah.
Totally.

And then there was also a
feature in Ladies Home Journal.

It’s so funny.
Like that was her first magazine

cover and then she has this
weird little thing and then.

That’s probably yeah.
Ever.

Ladies Home Journal.
Yeah, I know.

So it was a March 1990 issue and
the photos were done by Steve

Shapiro.
And he had worked with her

several times in her childhood,
like some of her more like

recognizable photo shoots he
did.

So I kind of love that they,
like, brought him in to do that

for her.
Me too, that’s really fun.

We always like to think of like
her having like a continuous

relationship even if it’s years
apart.

This is a really cool 2 page
thing.

It’s an interview of July of

would have just gone to that
exhibit we mentioned.

These are so cool.
Like one of them is very

androgynous and then the other
one is like Drew, like licking a

lollipop.
And it’s just, they’re both

amazing, stunning, like
beautifully photographed.

I mean, Interview Magazine was
the best, right?

I don’t have to go on.
Yeah, and this is the first time

she worked with Matthew.
And then they would go on to do.

I don’t have the spreadsheet
open but I think like 7 more

photo shoots together it was.
Maybe we need to do a relation.

I mean, yeah, he would be the
next.

One to cover for sure.
These are really cool and we’ve

never seen a single.
Out I take.

That’s killer.
Oh my God.

Especially like the androgynous,
like you in that little face.

Oh my God, I would die.
We need we need to talk to

Matthew Rolston.
Yeah.

The September 1991 issue of Elle
magazine had a feature by Blake

Little.
These are also like, I think one

of them used to really confuse
me in this.

I think I used to think the one
with the baseball cap was her

from Bad Girls with like a
cowboy hat.

Oh, interesting.
I think the close up now I see

that we have we have like a an
outtake that I don’t even

remember seeing before of her in
that same cap.

But anyway, she also has like in
one of those has like a almost

looks like a quilted like
colorful jacket.

It’s.
Very 19, early 90s.

Actually, all of those pictures
look like they’re from like

different times in her life.
That’s really weird.

Yeah, they do a lot of different
hairstyles.

Oh, I just had a funny memory.
I know for this photo shoot, the

makeup artist, she did this one
and the next one we’re talking

about, her name is Gina Hole.
And she connected with us on

Instagram forever.
And she told us that Drew still

has the thick roots from Poison
Ivy and they covered her roots

for this photo shoot with
Foundation.

Oh my gosh.
I can’t believe I just

remembered that.
I love that so much.

I love that you pulled that out
of your little, like, brain box.

Brain Box Your brain, Let’s be.
Opening the brain box.

One more that’s worth mentioning
for sure is in fashion magazine

from fall of 1991 and it was
photographed by Barry Hollywood.

What a name.
Who is on the cover with her is

Alec Baldwin?
It’s Stephen Baldwin.

Stephen Baldwin.
Sorry, I knew it wasn’t Alec.

I don’t know why I said that.
Baldwin brother.

It’s very memorable.
The cover specifically is like

bright pink.
Drew’s wearing bright pink.

Body suits, yeah, and like,
Western pants.

Yeah, it’s, it’s very odd and
it’s also like very memorable

for that reason.
And then the photos inside or

black and white, or at least
printed in black and white.

And they’re also beautiful too.
I don’t know if I can say

anything describe them that
would like give them any justice

because they actually are really
cool.

Yeah, and they’re quite
different from the cover with

Baldwin.
And this was her only other

cover besides the People
magazine one, like a brand new

shoe.
So for two years, that’s it.

That’s where she’s at in her
career.

She is not like magazine queen
like she would come to be.

Right.
Not just yet.

Yeah, totally.
So let’s kind of wrap up with

some final words from Drew on
where she felt she was at this

time.
And by the time we get to 1991

as it’s wrapping up, she said,
Quote, I just hope that I make

the right choices and get to be
an actress for the rest of my

life, which is pretty cool
because, man, it’s like she

would have.
She couldn’t even have imagined

what was to come in.
I don’t think so.

No way.
She doesn’t have the ego to let

her go there anyway.
No.

She also said when it was like
pointed out to her that in

little girl law she seems like
she’s in a rush to be an adult.

She said, quote, now I’m in a
big rush to be a kid.

I guess I’m just myself.
I can be 24 or 88 or two.

I wake up in the morning and
whatever age just seems to be

fit, so be it.
And then the writer had asked

her, what age did you decide on
today?

And she smiled and said 16.
I love that.

I love that we keep coming back
to like her age is just her

doesn’t make any sense.
Yes, the different ways she even

describes it herself are like,
yes, like that’s how we feel too

true.
I know, but I love that.

Like even though she’s gone
through so much, she’s living by

herself, she’s trying to get her
career back.

Like she felt 16 at this, at
least on this one day.

Like, I’m glad she had that.
Me too.

Exactly.
For her to actually like, I

don’t know, feel like present
enough to feel her own age,

Yeah.
It’s pretty cool.

Yeah, so that was fun.
I know it really is like I’m

maybe you could listen to these
in a different order and hear it

differently, but it’s really
neat to see like, you know, we

talked about Gun Crazy being
such an awesome accomplishment

and such a moment for her
career.

And it’s really neat to see
everything that led up to that,

like her working so hard to get
back to being recognized as an

actress and not being a joke,
right?

And then letting people do like
really good work and not just

like whatever, like a weird
cameo here and there, you know?

Like she had to do whatever she
had to do, right?

Totally, but you know, it worked
because she had one of for

Renaissance is like right around
this time guys.

Pretty cool.
It’s really neat to talk about.

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So cool.
And there’s like literally 65

photos.
Fun though, that there’s just so

many things she went to.
I mean, it’s almost like if if

you’re a visual person, which I
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How dare you?

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Peruse thedrewseum.com, which
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Yeah, we just added, Speaking of

the the interview 91, we just
added a really cool piece that I

obtained.
It is the page of her licking

the lollipop straight out of the
magazine.

And she had signed it to the
makeup artist on Poison Ivy.

So it came from that woman’s,
like, estate or her belongings.

Who even knows how it got to the
cellar?

But I had to ask some questions
and I figured out who it was.

And I was so jazzed.
And it’s, it’s a really neat

thing to see Drew’s actual
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Yeah, check that out.

Yeah, you have like such a cool
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I’m Anne.
And I’m Ashley, and this week,

as promised, we are discussing
the 1992 film Guncrazy.

Yes.
Yes, this.

I’m just going to say already I
like forgot how great this

movie.
Is yes, I feel like, I mean,

I’ve literally been prepping
this episode for a month, I

think.
So I’ve been like in the movie,

surrounded by it for a while and
I’m like, I have this whole new

appreciation for it.
This is a good movie, and this

is a really cool movie in Drew’s
filmography.

Totally, I mean, we’ve wanted to
cover this for a while.

So like, and we always say this,
but like to have the excuse

reason to like dive into
something like this was very

worthwhile.
And I’m I know it was weird to

release Poison Ivy again, but
like, I’m really glad to have

that leading up to this.
Like if you guys are watching

like Poison Ivy and then
watching Guncrazy, like, yeah,

the trajectory, the like
similarities of the characters,

the differences of the
characters, like how different

she seems.
All of it.

It’s so fascinating.
And to think they were done just

like boom boom back-to-back in
her so weird acting career.

I just love it.
We have so much to get into.

My notes are copious for this.
One, there are many notes, as

there are with a lot of our
movie episodes, so I guess we

should dive in.
So here we are going to get into

Guncrazy.
The movie was directed by Tamra

Davis.
I know we say this a little bit

later, but it was her
directorial debut and it was

written by Matthew Bright, who
later wrote and directed the

movie Free with Reese
Witherspoon.

I’ve never seen that but I
remember thinking it looked

cool.
Yeah, I saw it once.

I barely remember it, but it’s
very kind of edgy like this.

So I’m when I found that out, I
was like, oh, that’s kind of a

neat thing to learn.
Cool.

OK, so you don’t have the IMDb
summary.

We’ve got the prime summary this
time.

The better of the two.
Yes, so this one is a wild teen

helps her convict pen pal get
out and find a job, but they

wind up as lovers on the run.
Sure.

Yeah, that works.
So kind of has you were teasing

at the beginning.
This is right in the middle of

Drews not only her comeback, but
her bad girl era.

This is how she made her
comeback happen.

Was like, let me be this, I hate
to use the word sexy.

Yeah, she’s a teenager, but let
me be the sexy bad girl.

So you can see our episodes.
We’ve already covered Poison

Ivy, of course, we re released
that last time.

And then Doppelganger, which is
like definitely the outlier as

far as like quality level.
And then we also covered the Amy

Fisher story with our friends at
movies that made us gay.

So those are like the big, I
mean, I’ve obviously Bad Girls

is a bad girl role, but I feel
like it’s a little separate from

these.
It’s not as much of the lethal

Lolita thing that we’re going
for in all these other movies.

Right.
Yeah.

Drews just 16 years old at this
time.

Like you know, I have a 16 year
old.

It’s absolutely insanity to me
to imagine her doing these

things.
Yes.

But she did film this just a few
months after Poison Ivy and a

few months before Doppelganger.
And just a quick little aside,

it’s really interesting to me
that she went from like this,

which I feel like it’s just,
it’s like a film.

It’s like a very good movie to
like Doppelganger.

I’m like, oh man, what a
misstep, you know?

I also feel like she was
probably just like taking so

much nook anything she could
get, but sort of like, OK,

regardless of the quality, if
I’m interested in like the

character, I guess, but like, I
just imagine like she booked

Doppelganger and then she was
like, OK, I’m adding like higher

quality stuff around it.
I don’t know.

I’m just like making up some
narrative in my head.

But like, not surprising that
there are like different

qualities of things that she was
like, OK, I just need to fit my

fill my schedule.
Yeah, I don’t know.

And also like how different she
looks in each of these

character.
I mean, literally all four of

those, if we’re kind of like Amy
Fisher’s story.

Yeah, I mean, that was a
priority to her back in the day,

to look different for every
single character, and she really

did it.
That’s true by 1983, Drew had

said.
I’m moving away from playing

nymphettes and for now I don’t
want to do anything sexual on

screen.
I’m grateful to have the

opportunity to be selective and
I’m going to choose wisely.

And then she also said later, I
think after Poison Ivy and Gun

Crazy and playing Amy Fisher, I
did get all these bad girl

scripts and I was like, well,
that’s nice.

You think I do that well as a
compliment in itself.

But it’s not the only thing I
can do, and it’s not the only

thing I want to do.
Yeah, I felt, I really liked

like just thinking like, this is
how she’s going to get back in

the public eye.
This is how she’s going to shed

the child star image.
But then, you know, after doing

a few of them, she’s like, OK,
that’s enough.

No more type casting.
Yeah, time to shift.

Yeah, yeah.
Like I don’t have only this one

lane.
Yeah, OK.

But now we’re back into the time
where she really was in that

lane.
So Tamra Davis had first read

the script for this movie in

She was friends with Matthew, I
think from film school, and she

presented it in a meeting with
who executives, I don’t know who

as part of a package.
And she was, like, laughed out

of the meeting for being, you
know, trying to be a woman

director, which just disgusting.
But then the men in the room

later went back to the writer
and optioned the script like

they were going to make it.
Like, they like the script.

They just kicked Tamra out of
it.

Luckily, it never got made with
those jerks.

And six years later, producer
Diane Firestone connected with

Tamra, and she got her Guncrazy
to make.

So I love that it came back to
her like she was the one that

was meant to make this film.
Yeah.

That’s so cool.
Those stories don’t happen

always when people are like,
they get attached to stuff and

then they just go away.
Yeah, this is an important thing

to point out because this has
come up a couple times when I’ve

been talking to other people
about this.

So this film Guncrazy is not a
remake of the 1950 film Gun

Crazy, which is 2 words instead
of 1.

Gun space crazy.
Yeah, though it’s often

mistakenly reported as a remake.
The screenwriter, Matthew right,

was somewhat influenced by it,
so I’m wondering if that’s why

they use that name.
I don’t know.

I think he just liked the sound
of it and he was just fascinated

with the American public, like
how some people really had like

a gun fetish, but he thought gun
fetish sounded stupid because.

It does.
So Tamra herself was influenced

by Terrence Malick’s film
Badlands.

And then the inspiration for
that movie was the true Crime

Story of Caril Ann Fugate and
Charles Starkweather.

And interestingly, I was like
listening to old My Favorite

Murder episodes and he covered
that case.

And I, when listening to it was
like, wow, this is giving me gun

Crazy vibes because it’s about a
young teenage girl who hooks up

with this older guy that goes on
this crime spree.

It’s much more complicated than
that.

Much more complicated than gun
Crazy, actually by coincidence.

Maybe not.
It’s just in my mind watching a

documentary about her right now
called The 12th Victim.

It’s really fascinating.
Definitely recommend.

But yeah, so I just think it’s
kind of notable in this

documentary, they kind of talk
about all the 90s movies that

used the same sort of storyline
where this couples on the run

committing crimes and they show
like True Romance in California

and Natural Born Killers.
But all those came out a couple

years after Guncrazy.
They didn’t they didn’t show Gun

Crazy.
You know, it’s a little lesser

known.
So that totally makes sense.

But I just thought that was kind
of interesting, that Guncrazy

at this time in the 90s, was
sort of on the forefront of

like, let’s explore the same
sort of story over and over

again.
Interesting.

Super interesting.
And I didn’t think I didn’t know

about like connections to these,
like other true Crime Story or

another connection that you
mentioned like later that was

also like what?
And we had no idea.

So an attorney who had remake
rights to the original Gun Crazy

from 1950 threatened Guncrazy
this movie.

But they said, like, fuck it,
we’re not changing the title.

And I guess that ended up fine.
Drew said that that she watched

the original Gun Crazy with
Tamra before the production

started.
So they clearly probably wanted

to at least like be aware,
right?

Of like what that was.
And I want to see it.

I do too, and the storyline does
sound like close enough that I

understand why I like.
Some journalists would say it’s

a remake, but it’s.
It’s it’s also like a woman,

like I think it’s like woman
centric.

But anyway, yeah.
So Drew said about the story.

She said this story is very
powerful because it’s about two

people no one’s ever cared about
who meet and fall in love and

will do anything to stay
together.

The whole thing is like, no
one’s ever cared about.

When I read this, reading your
notes, I was like oh but like.

Yeah.
They, you know, they found

somebody.
They have no one else,

basically.
Yeah, she also said of the

characters.
They’re both very similar in the

fact that they’ve both been hurt
and they’re both very strong,

and it’s a very passionate love
that they have for each other,

which is incredibly
unconditional.

In a nutshell, it’s basically
about two people who are willing

to go to any lengths to be
together.

I think she has a very
romanticized vision of this

movie because.
Definitely.

Me, I don’t see it as like this
unbelievable love story, like

they barely know each other, you
know, and she’s so much younger

than him.
Like, there’s we’ll get into all

that.
But yeah, I it’s funny to know

that 16 year old Drew was like,
that’s how she perceived the

story.
Right, and that’s how she, like,

continuously describes it
throughout things.

James LeGros.
He said the characters are both

somewhat childlike due to the
trauma they’ve endured and can

only process so much.
Which like his character seems

even more immature than her.
I mean in other ways but like

childlike for sure.
Yeah, I love that quote.

Yeah.
And then the final thing that we

have, as Drew said in 1992, I
did this film called Guncrazy,

which I’m Gung.
How about it’s been described as

kind of a Bonnie and Clyde meets
Badlands and it is accurate.

Cool.
I like it.

All right, let’s jump into the
cast and crew a bit.

So you’ve heard us mention a few
Drew James LeGros, but let’s

jump in a little bit more.
So we had mentioned Tamra Davis

as the director.
As we said it earlier, it’s the

feature film debut as director,
other first time directors that

Drew’s worked with.
I love this little tidbit.

Side note McGee, Richard Kelly
and George Clooney Do we need to

say what movies?
Probably not.

And I couldn’t think if there
were any others, but those are

like on the top of my head.
And I was like, wow, that’s

really neat that she’s done
that.

And she’s raved about all of
them, too.

Right, right, I’m sure had like
a big influence on them getting

the work, maybe less so gun
crazy.

She had less influence at that
time, but also like really cool.

Right, she would Drew would work
again with Tamra Davis on a

shelved version of Bad Girls as
it was like started and then

scrapped then Best Men and
skipped parts.

This meant I I know I kind of
enjoyed skipped parts.

I don’t remember at all.
Yeah, we skipped that part.

Yes, we skipped skipped parts
and a season one episode of

Santa Clarita Diet which I also
forgot about and love to think

about that.
I know.

Which Speaking of Santa Clarita
diet, we’re going to get into

that some more this summer,
guys, so keep your eyes out.

It’ll be so fun to watch the
Tamra’s episode and see if

there’s anything that like comes
up for us.

Yeah, I totally.
Tamra had a different vision

from the original production
designers ideas.

So she ended up kind of doing
the production design herself,

which is also like, what?
It’s so cool.

That’s really cool.
It’s I love it.

OK, so Drew’s character, she’s
the lead and her name is Anita

Minteer.
And this is wild.

Like, I was like, texting you.
Like, what the hell?

So the character of Anita was
inspired by a girl that the

screenwriter Matthew went to
school with.

And once, when they were in 4th
grade, he saw this girl trying

to kick a teacher in the face.
My God.

So her name was Nancy Pittman.
She later went on to join the

Manson Family, where she was
renamed as Brenda.

OK.
She’s like, like, you can Google

her.
There’s A and I was like, she

doesn’t seem anything like Anita
to me, but maybe it was just

this, like he said it, he was
inspired by her fearlessness,

which is wild.
So strange, so strange.

Actress Gabrielle Anwar was in
the running for the part of

Anita, but producers got really
freaked out because she did a

tape of herself doing the part
with her boyfriend in the part

of Howard.
And for some reason that, like,

really turned them off that she
was like, trying to cast their

movie.
And so they just like said, no,

she’s not doing it.
Interesting, I wondered when I

read that note, like what about
it like?

I know like.
There’s no like explanation,

they just did not like it.
Interesting.

The producer Zane W Levitt said
that he was watching Firestarter

and had the idea for them to
reach out to Drew for the part.

So I love that like a movie with
young Drew, but a very powerful

one.
Like, she does show a lot of

like rage in that movie.
Hey, that’s a good point, yeah.

Tamra recalls getting to Drew
through Justine, her friend, her

good friend Justine, but Tamra
wasn’t interested in at first

due to Drew’s reputation, which
I also find.

I know.
Very interesting to think about,

but think about the time right?
Like I’m not super surprised

Drew got the script and then
called Tamra saying I want this

part stop looking I’m her.
That’s true.

And then we just have a nice
little collection of quotes from

Tamra about Drew.
This one comes from our favorite

celebrity profile.
What was so amazing was Drew

called me personally.
She called me on the phone while

I was casting and, you know, I
answered and she said, this is

Drew Barrymore.
I read the script and you have

to see me.
I love this character more than

anything.
I have to play this character.

I just like met with her and I
just like completely couldn’t

get her out of my mind.
I drove home from the interview

like totally in love with her,
just madly in love with her.

She completely bewitched me.
We get it, Tamra.

Same Tamra.
Yep, Tamra said.

I saw her and knew she was
perfect.

You could see she’s been through
a lot and the world has not been

easy to her, and yet she has
this incredible vulnerability.

She’s so determined to prove
that she’s worthy of the

Barrymore name.
Oh, love.

And then just a couple years
ago, she said Drew did not have

a good reputation, but she came
in and said, nobody takes me

seriously.
I want to prove that I can come

back.
And I just melted.

I immediately was like, oh, my
God, I love you.

I will do anything I can to help
you out.

I also kind of love it.
It’s like these young women in

Hollywood feeling like
underdogs.

And they’re like, yeah, let’s do
this together.

Lift each other up.
Yeah, like, so cool.

There’s something really cool
about that.

So we have a few quotes from
Drew herself about the character

of Anita and this one we have
audio for.

Anita, she’s incredible.
I mean, when I read the script,

I just fell so in love with her.
She is so like me emotionally,

you know, she’s extremely
vulnerable and she’s been

through so much in her life.
That one looks like it’s on the

set.
Is it?

Yeah, I think so.
Drew also said about the

character.
Anita was very close to home for

me.
Not that I was so much like her,

I’m not, but I had the best
understanding of her than any

character I’ve ever played in my
life.

Makes sense?
Yeah.

Like who else would she relate
to more?

Right before, like before she’s
an adult or something, I don’t

know.
She also said Anita is a very

vulnerable person who’s been
hurt very much in her life and

has an incredible capacity to
love, but it’s sort of been

pushed into the back of her
because she’s been hurt so much.

Do you think?
Like, that does sort of sound

like Drew, doesn’t it?
Yeah.

I mean, she definitely has
pushed back trauma.

Yeah, yeah, definitely has.
She also described Anita as

having a natural tendency to
want to accept love from others

to validate her feelings.
That makes a lot of sense, too,

right?
Tamra said that Anita and Drew

have connections and that they
both made poor choices because

of their circumstances.
Also, that, like, framing is

interesting.
It’s not like Gary, I mean,

Drew’s always trying to take
like so much ownership for every

choice she’s made, but like, you
were placed in a position for

those things to happen to you.
Yeah, so just just like all

knowing all those things and
then you watch the movie, it

just gives her performance a
whole other layer.

It’s really great.
OK, so James LeGros plays her

opposite her as the male lead as
Howard Hickok.

That last name is so weird.
So he signed on after Drew did

and he thought that her
involvement was very appealing.

But he also said that their age
difference seemed enormous.

And I looked it up and it was
cuz she was 16 and he was 29.

Don’t love that.
I mean, I guess it’s an

improvement from Tom Skerritt in
the last movie, but.

Good point.
That’s a big age difference.

He even remembers her like
learning how to drive during

filming.
It’s funny how like at this time

I feel like so many people
described her as like an old

soul when she was like a kid.
I know some people did at this

point too, but she’s like both
really young and not really

young.
Yeah, what is that thing?

She just told Lena Dunham.
I felt like I was old, young.

I was born old, young.
That’s pretty much.

What she is, yes, totally.
So James had described that

there was some tension between
he and Drew for reasons that he

didn’t really recall, but like,
peace was ultimately made.

Tamra said James always felt in
character.

Whereas Drew, when Drew was
done, she’d be like, let’s go

play cards in the dressing room
and she’d be Drew as if nothing

happened.
Drew would think that like James

didn’t like her, but Tamra’s
vision was that he was like just

in character the whole time.
It’s so interesting.

But I bet it was just like
awkwardness.

Like he didn’t probably want to
engage with her in that way

being 13 years.
Older, Tamra said.

Like she could very much see
that he was like this criminal.

Like that’s what he felt like he
and he was like, I was probably

way too serious and method actor
at that.

She said that Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But she’s.

But Drew did say they got along
very well.

That’s how she received it.
And that he’s an incredible

actor and I’ve seen him in a few
things.

I mean, I think we’re going to
talk about it in a second, I

guess.
Yeah, put in some things.

Together.
Yeah.

So this is the first of three
movies they’ve done together.

It’s so funny how she has so
many people she’s done like 3

movies with and the other two
are bad girls, which was just a

few years later.
And I wonder, I’ve never thought

about this.
I wonder if Tamra got him

involved.
I didn’t even think about that

till this moment.
That’s a great question to maybe

ask her one day.
And then also Wishful Thinking,

which was just like the
following year after that.

So really kind.
And they play, you know, like

Will.
Well, she has a crush on him in

that movie.
I guess they’re not a couple,

but she wants them to be.
It is sort of like a will they

won’t they sort of, though.
That’s how they’re framing it.

Yeah, a wishful thinking.
I can’t wait to talk about that.

One Yeah, we I really love it.
It’s the weirdest movie.

And then James said about Drew
in the year 2000.

She’s very instinctive as an
actor.

Drew comes with a full
complement of options, and she’s

always very comfortable to work
with.

I love that had a happy ending.
Even if they he’s almost 30 and

she’s 16.
Like yeah, I can’t.

Of course they can’t relate.
This is.

Going to be a little weird.
A little bit totally.

OK, so let’s talk about another
person that she’s been in a

couple movies with.
Weirdly, Ione Skye, who plays a

character, Joy Anita’s only
friend.

It’s really the only person that
we see her talk to really, other

than like crappy people or
totally character.

What is his name?
Howard Ione Skye knew Drew from

hanging out at the Zappas’ in the

There’s a little part in her
book Say Everything where it

talks about it.
Oh, she describes the 12 year

old Drew as always telling tall,
provocative tales that she made

sound really sweet, like a
swearing toddler.

I love that, like envisioning
that so much.

But then she says we’re all
protective of her, which I like

that, that theme, like of Tamra.
I know that I only was talking

about years before, but that’s a
thing in Drew’s life.

Her character in this movie is
protective of Drew’s good point.

Yeah, that’s a cool through
line, like a real life to

character.
Totally.

I only got involved through her
shared Beastie Boys connection

as she was.
Was she married at the time too?

I think she was right before she
got married.

OK, I don’t know if either of
them was married to their

respective Beastie Boys at the
time they were dating for.

Yeah, yes.
With them and Tamra of course.

Long time marriage to one of the
Beastie Boys.

Yeah, Mike.
Dean and she really admired

Tamra, so that connection was
made.

Drew said that she loved Ione’s
ecstatic energy and was so sad

when Ione rapped.
Of course, we both.

I think you showed me this
because you had read Say

Everything before me.
Ione like expressing how she

really like wanted them to
become besties.

I know.
Yeah, I love this.

But I mean, I like how she
phrased it.

It’s like it didn’t really
happen.

But she said like, Drew was in a
great phase of her life.

She wasn’t this little girl lost
anymore.

She’d risen from her traumatic
childhood like a phoenix.

Hell yeah.
So, she said on set, Drew

quietly compelled everyone
around her to rise up to.

But Drew and I never became
close friends, sadly.

Sometimes I wonder if I remind
her too much of her chaotic

younger days and she’d rather
look forward.

It’s very introspective.
Yeah, it is really cool.

But they did get to play friends
again 13 years later in the

movie Fever Pitch, so love that.
Fun little yeah, fun little

return.
Michael Ironside plays Mr.

Kincaid, he’s Joy’s dad and
Howard’s parole officer.

And for whatever reason, I think
she said it was in like overseas

in Asia somewhere, his
involvement allowed them to

double their budget because he
was just that well liked over

there, I guess.
Wow.

But he did teach Tamra like some
cool money saving shot ideas,

which I really love because this
is like a low budget.

We’ll get into the details of
that in a little bit.

But like there’s a certain shot
where he like looks over his

shoulder and he like for the
idea to do that because then

they wouldn’t have to move the
camera.

Something like that is really.
Oh, that’s cool.

I like that.
Like that’s like him being in

their corner.
And he was like the professional

on set, Like everybody was like,
oh, he’s like a real actor.

He was like the one who’s like,
experienced he’s doing.

We’ve talked about both of these
guys in different and various

ways.
Rodney Harvey and Jeremy Davies

play these shithead schoolmates
of of Anita’s character named

Tom and Bill.
It’s Jeremy Davies first movie,

which that’s also like
interesting.

I didn’t even remember that he
was in it.

So the movie starts and I like
sent you a text like is Jeremy

Davies in this movie like?
Yeah, he’s so horrible and he

probably blocked it out.
Yeah, Drew had been rumored to

be romantically involved with
both of these guys at different

times, but maintains that they
were just friends.

But yeah, there’s two of her
life.

Maybe, possibly boyfriends,
whatever.

Yeah, that play total jerks.
Like the worst.

Like so unlikable.
Yeah, we’ll talk about them.

Another.
Surprise, Yeah.

So Drew’s mom, Jaid Barrymore,
plays woman with dog, and this

is the first time that she and
Drew ever appeared on screen

together.
And it only happened one more

time the following year in
Doppelganger.

And it was Tamra’s idea to have
her in the movie, so that’s kind

of fun.
I wonder how that like proposal

came about.
Yeah, she doesn’t really get too

much into it, but it sounds like
Drew sort of felt like she was

having sort of a reconnection
with her mom at this time.

OK, so it was just Tamra’s idea
to throw her in here.

So funny.
I mean, I know we’ll mention it

briefly later, but I love when
they have like the camping

pictures that they show.
I can’t wait.

Back to some of the crew.
So Lisa Rin was the

cinematographer?
Love that got a female director,

female cinematographer.
Drew’s the start.

Like yes, really cool.
A lot of credit is given to

Lisa’s beautiful lighting,
colors and angles in the film.

I do think it’s really
wonderfully shot.

It’s.
Gorgeous.

I don’t think I would have
appreciated that the last time I

watched it.
So like watching it again?

Same, Yeah.
And then one more thing about

the crew that we got to mention.
So Tamra’s sister, Kim Davis

Wagner did casting on this film.
She would work with Justine, who

was mentioned quite a bit in the
years following this, and she

would do go on to do casting for
many flower Films projects.

So if you haven’t heard us talk
about Flower Films projects

before, we’ve got some episodes.
Where have you been?

Yeah, that’s so neat.
Like they must have met on this

because Drew didn’t know Tamra
before this, and unless she

already knew her through
Justine, like, the timeline’s a

little interesting to me.
All right, let’s talk a little

bit about Anita’s look in the
movie.

So prior to filming, she had
been inspired by Patsy Kensit in

the movie 21 and decided to chop
her long hair off because she

thought like this long Poison
Ivy hair was making her look too

sexy and she needed to look
uncool.

Tamra said.
The producers freaked out, but I

thought it was great, a stroke
of genius.

It was so messed up looking,
this dorky looking haircut.

It was perfect for the
character.

And yeah, Can you imagine her
with the long hair?

No, that would not have worked.
It it wouldn’t seem right.

Also, I kind of love the hair.
It is cute, but it is dorky at

the.
Same.

It is kind of chopped, like
there’s some points when I’m

like, oh, it’s giving like
adjacent to mad love, like as

far as the length.
And stuff I know.

What you’re but I can’t, I mean,
obviously just like anything

that like we’ve lived with it
the way it is, but it would be

weird for her to be more poison
Ivyish than she is like.

She needs to be a little goofy.
A little.

Awkward.
Yeah, a little bit at least.

This is so weird.
The key hair and makeup artist

was Lori Jean Swanson, who did
the makeup for Doppelganger.

Interesting.
I know like Drew must have

enjoyed her and brought her
along but like those looks are

so different like.
This journal is crazy.

That’s true.
I guess maybe just like the

basic, like, non.
I don’t know.

I guess when I think of
Topplinger, I’m thinking of,

like, stuff with, like, the
actual horror of the film,

something like special effects.
But that is.

That’s cool, though.
And also like that they were

back-to-back.
Yeah.

I love that.
The costume designer for the

film was Mary Lawson, and she
did her research by studying

girls at the Eagle Rock Plaza
shopping mall in Pasadena.

I left that tidbit in for you.
I love.

That I was just an Eagle Rock
today.

Oh cool, Mary Lawson said.
We were looking for a real life

gutter image.
We didn’t want it to look like

Hollywood.
We wanted a little girl living

without a mother who only can
buy clothes every few years.

I got everything from the
Salvation Army, Saint Vincent’s

de Paul’s and Goodwill shops.
That’s kind of a cool thing too.

I would thought about like Mona
Mae talking about going to like

thrift stores and stuff for
never been kissed.

It’s like not the same, but I
was like, Oh, it’s neat that

way.
Also like her outfits were Oh,

you, you wrote a note later too.
But like, they’re fun.

They’re so cute.
Like in a first green sweater at

the beginning of the movie, I
was like, I’d wear that.

I actually really enjoy all of
her outfits.

There’s like a really cute dress
when she goes to pick up Howard

for the first time.
And Mary Lawson, the costume

designer, said that she
specifically chose dresses that

were a little small for Drew, as
if they were years old.

And all of a sudden, she, like,
grew a bust and she tea dyed

everything down to the socks to
give the image of someone who

doesn’t do laundry very often
and does it all together.

So those details, like, I just
love them.

They really come through I feel
like.

Yeah, it’s not something you
think about, like it’s done

subtly enough that you don’t
think about it.

But I think it’s really
believable that the character of

Anita is in the state that she’s
in.

Like she doesn’t look like
overly primed or like anything

in any way.
This is a cool detail.

So the necklace that Anita wears
in the film, Drew’s character is

it belongs to Tamra.
It’s that like, long, like

silver chain.
And it’s got Saints, like little

charms of Saints on it, which I
thought that’s what it was.

And I saw that.
I was like those little St.

Charms that you always see, and
it’s very similar to the

necklace that Drew wore with
crosses all the time in 1992,

which I was like, yeah, I love
that.

Comparison I will like, first of
all, when I found out about it

being Tamra’s necklace, I was
like, whoa, like that’s the kind

of tidbit that I get really
excited about for some reason.

But I do wonder, like I haven’t
looked closely enough, but I’m

like the little charm that she
wore with the crosses in 92,

like.
Right.

Is that the?
Same, one of them the same.

Like I would like to look at it
a little more closely because I

definitely, you know, I have a
theory that the crosses came

from Jamie Walters cuz she only
wore them constantly when they

were together and then they
disappeared.

But yeah, I’ll dig into it a
little more.

Yeah, one other fun tidbit about
Drew’s look.

So Tamra and the producer Zane
had commented on how Drew looks

like an old movie star or Betty
Davis in the film, which I love

that too.
She’s beautiful in this.

And then like as we said, it’s
understated.

She’s not being a Poison Ivy
glamour vixen, but there are so

many beautiful close-ups of her
face, so many profile shots.

I took screen caps like I’ve
never taken them before.

You even told me like, don’t
don’t worry about taking any.

I took a lot.
I meant to look.

I meant to look because there
were so many times, like,

towards the beginning of the
film, I almost wrote like, cool

profile shot.
And then like the next line was

like you saying profile.
I was like, yeah.

OK so the movie was filmed in
November 1991 in just 23 days

for $800,000.
Wow.

Like we said before, the
original budget was 400,000, but

Michael Ironside got that
doubled for them.

But Tamra, you know, that’s
still really low budget.

So Tamra had to get creative
with all these ways to save

money.
So she mentions like, oh, we use

a forklift here instead of a
camera crane because it was

cheaper to rent.
And she says how she would just

do as few camera setups as
possible and have the actors

moving instead of moving the
camera so much.

So it’s like if you watch with
the commentary which I’m going

to talk about.
Later on.

Yeah, and you really do see,
like the shots are very long and

it’s kind of cool, but it’s not,
it’s never like tedious, you

know?
Yeah, so cleverly it worked very

well I guess.
Yeah, so the opening credits,

all the shots from that and then
various location shots shown

later on in the movie, they were
filmed in Ely, NV and that is

where my boss is from.
Yeah, I’ve never been.

It’s not.
I think it’s like 3 hours from

Vegas but I actually might go
this summer for like an event.

So the main reason I want to go
is to go see these locations

because they haven’t changed
much this.

Is like a small town.
I assume it’s.

A very small town, Very.
And I put like some screenshots

in our notes, which I will also
share.

But the buildings all look the
same.

It’s very kind of historic
looking.

So it’s really neat, but not
much has changed.

But basically when they filmed
just a small crew, they flew all

to Vegas and then they drove to
Ely, and they only had one day

to shoot everything before it
snowed.

Because it does.
Wow.

Yeah, so really fun to see.
Wow, I love these comparison

shots.
I love.

I know that like in one of the
shots from the film like this,

like part of the building is
being built and then and then in

the new shot, like it’s there
and it’s completely built and

like.
I know it’s really fun.

That’s cool, really neat.
I, I keep meaning to ask him if

he remembers anything about
filming because he lived there

at the time.
You would think he would, but

he’s like.
Oh yeah, I have this picture

with Drew Barrymore I never told
you about.

I’d kill him.
The rest of the movie was filmed

around LA County.
They had to stay within that 30

mile radius.
A lot of it was near Magic

Mountain, according to Tamra.
And it was a fairly easy

production.
And they just had a lot of

friends on the crew helping out.
And it was just like a small

little, let’s get this done in

I love it so.
Cool to think about, like the

little production.
The producers wanted to give

Drew a driver and she refused.
Instead, she said that she would

drive herself.
Tamra said that Drew viewed the

car and driver perk as a sign
that the producers were worried

about her past.
Oh, that’s kind of like

interesting that that she’s
like, they think I need to be

watched.
Yeah.

Tamra said that Drew said no,
you’re not going to treat me

like a baby, I can get to work
on my own.

She also said the producer said
OK, we have to have blood tests

and give her rides to set.
And Drew was like, no, you have

to trust me.
She took a stand and they let

her do it.
I love that.

So cool.
That she was like, no, I’m

legally an adult.
Yeah, the blood testing too.

That’s like, just so insulting.
That’s a lot.

I’m glad that dude didn’t make
her do that.

Me too you.
Probably would have still stuck

with it even if they made her,
but like, yeah, yeah, I’m really

glad that she was able to be
like, no, like, that’s bullshit.

She wasn’t being treated nicely
and either is Anita, so maybe

they she pulled from that a
little bit.

So during and somewhat after
filming, Drew temporary lived

with Tamra and her husband Mike
D of the Beastie Boys at their

house in Silver Lake after a
breakup.

And I have to think, timing
wise, this must be that

cinematographer Phedon.
Who

Worked on place in Ivy.
Older than James LeGros even,

right?
Way older.

Yeah.
So that’s kind of interesting

just to think about.
But Drew said I showed up at

Tamra’s house late at night with
my laundry basket and she said I

could stay in her guest room and
then I didn’t leave for eight

months.
Tamra said that she said my

husband and I are very much in
love and I think it was good for

Drew to see what a healthy
relationship look like.

On the weekends, she’d sleep
really late, nothing could wake

her up, and we’d peek in and see
her tucked in with all her white

pillows and her white comforter
and she looks so sweet.

There’s something about her you
just want to take care of her.

And if she disappeared for a
weekend, my husband got really

worried.
Then she’d show up on a Sunday

evening and be all excited to
show us a new tattoo.

It’s so cute.
And I love the screenshot you

pulled literally from Guncrazy
of her curled up and sleeping.

I know there’s Tamra.
Like, inspired by what she was

seeing in her house.
Yes, and you pulled this extra

little tidbit that the Blu-ray
on the Blu-ray, Tamra said the

weekend that Drew was gone.
It turned out that she had spent

it with her mom and gotten her
jade tattoo.

Yes.
So now we have more of a like

timeline for when that happened.
I guess we can say N91, I think

we thought early 92, but that’s
so cool.

Cool.
That also means she did not get

the Jade Cherub and the Jamie,
Jamie Walters one at the same

time, which is kind of fun to
learn, right?

She’s done an Angel kick, I
guess.

Yeah.
Interesting.

And then just one more cute
quote about this, Tamra said.

It felt like she was kind of our
daughter.

We provided the surreal stable
family for her where she lived

with us and she just got to
focus on being an actress.

So I love like Tamra showing up
as another sort of like parental

figure which we really didn’t
have much of 1.

What an amazing gift to draw,
you know.

You know, I really made it a
point to everybody to show them

that I was Anita, you know, and
now that I’m being her, it feels

so great because I’m, you know,
it’s like I really fought for

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OK, are we ready to get into the

movie itself?
Yeah, let’s go through it.

I have so many things to say.
I really like this movie.

It’s really good, you guys.
It is really good.

I will say I always just give
this little thing like we’re not

going to go through every beat
of the movie.

We’re going through a lot of the
beats of the movie, focusing on

Drew.
Yeah, which is most of the

movie, yes.
That’s very true most of the

movie.
So let’s get into the very

beginning.
So immediately we see Anita

walking around town and I think
this is outside in Ely

and she looks so pretty
right away.

You can tell that she’s supposed
to be like somewhat of an

outsider.
They’re like kind of

illustrating at that right or
right away, I mentioned the

green sweater.
It’s in the very beginning.

It’s very.
It’s very.

Cute.
Tamra has a small cameo at the

very start of the movie
basically, and can be seen from

the back when the school bell
rings.

No face.
So you must have said this in

the commentary, right?
She’s in a flannel in a beanie

and she’s shown from the back
like I, I was looking for it

after I saw your note and I was
like, what?

And then I when I saw the screen
Cam, I’m like, oh, OK.

Yeah, it just shows how like
little she was too, I think.

I mean, she was in her 20s when
she directed this.

So cool.
Right?

So Anita is getting an
assignment in her class.

I think it’s maybe it’s like a
geography class or something

that they’re going to find pen
pals to learn about the world.

And now we get these two dip
shits, Rodney Harvey and Jeremy

Davies, characters that are such
assholes to her, So

inappropriate in the classroom.
At first, the teacher doesn’t

even acknowledge what one of
them says something awful.

And then they get like a
warning, oh, you’re going to go

to the principal’s office?
I’m like, get these guys out of

here.
This is horrific.

Take them right now.
Take them immediately.

There was a deleted scene right
around here where the these same

boys are harassing Anita during
lunch and Ione Skye comes in and

like defends her and she’s
wearing a Princess costume.

So there’s a few photos of this
flying around out there.

And there’s also even like some
sort of low quality footage of

it on the Blu-ray where you can
see Ione like coming in in the

back.
I actually messaged her on

Instagram to see if she
remembered what it was and she

didn’t.
She’s really sweet about it.

And she’s like, you can ask
Tamra, but I found out in the

commentary Tamra says originally
this was supposed to be on

Halloween for some reason.
And there is a girl in the

classroom who has like cat
whiskers on her face.

Funny.
Yeah, but it’s like it was such

a half assed thing.
I guess they just like decide

not to pull any attention to it.
Oh that’s really funny because I

I vividly remember seeing this
still many times of Drew and

Ionian being like I don’t know
what this is like totally.

Like Drew’s look is so
distinctly a Guncrazy.

But like otherwise like what
movie is this from?

So Anita starts walking home and
here come these dipshits again.

And it’s just so hard to see
like how they treat her and she

just wants to be accepted by
them.

And they get her to basically
agree to come along with them in

the car.
And it just like, breaks my

heart.
It’s so real and they’re so

disgusting.
This.

There’s a really cool moment
here where there’s a Beastie

Boys song, Gratitude, that plays
in the background during their

drive to the dump.
So I kind of like that.

And she’s like, I can get that
one for cheap.

Let’s get that song in here,
yes?

And I know we probably don’t
want to talk about how gross

this is, but like the guy is
like groping Anita and saying

they only tease her because they
like her.

Yeah, gross.
Disgusting.

And then are we to believe that
she had sex with both of them in

this like tube in the desert or
whatever?

I think so.
It’s just awful.

And she just want they’re like,
oh come on, you like us?

Like we won’t tell anyone.
Like wants to be accepted,

right?
That’s what she says.

As long as you don’t tell
anyone.

Yeah, it’s just the epitome of
disgusting teenage boys and.

Totally your heart.
For her, we get to see after

that, she goes home to this
trailer that she lives in.

It’s very depressing.
And then here’s another

disgusting man.
Her mom’s boyfriend lives at the

house.
Mom is still alive, but she’s

taken off.
So now Anita’s stuck with this

nasty guy Rooney, who’s just as
horrible as the guys at school.

If not more.
Yeah, and there’s a very sad

shower scene.
I was like, well, at least

there’s no blood this time, like
in Doppelganger, but put a pin

in that.
Yeah.

And then it’s just awful.
She has to share a bed with this

disgusting guy, like.
And she, like, gets up when he

falls asleep and she goes and
lays outside.

But, you know, like a mattress.
Oh, it’s just.

I was like, oh, little
Cinderella.

Oh.
Totally.

Oh, it’s like by choice she’d
rather be out there than her

dad’s boyfriend who’s coming.
Dad’s boyfriend.

Oh, sorry, probably better and
probably better if it was her

dad’s boyfriend.
That’s very true.

Her mom’s boyfriend just like
constantly coming on to her.

It’s really sick.
OK, so we mentioned this pen

pal, you know, thing in the
class that where she was

supposed to find a pen pal.
So.

So we’re now we’re back in class
and Anita shares that she has

found her 2424 year old male pen
pal named Howard, who’s been in

prison for three years.
And it’s so sad how she just

seems to have no awareness of
how inappropriate it is.

She like reads his letter and
it’s everyone in the classroom’s

like what?
Yeah, and I think the teacher

says something like, that’s not
quite what we were thinking, you

know?
I don’t know.

I mean, do we want to hear any
of the letter?

Now I spend my days painting and
reading.

Before I only knew how to do one
thing good.

Shoot guns.
I always dreamed of a girl who

like guns.
Perhaps it was you I was

dreaming of.
It’s so.

It is cringy, so sad, but the
Anita seems excited.

I know.
But of course, of course it’s

just like the nicest anyone’s
ever been to her.

And it’s literally one letter
from a dude in prison who’s way

older than her.
Like, great, right?

One positive thing about this
letter is that it gives her some

confidence and so she’s like
ready to stand up to these

assholes at school.
And this clip.

I totally downloaded this from
an old Drew fan site.

When I hear it, it like takes me
back probably before I even saw

the movie.
I totally knew the clip before I

like heard it and played it.
But let’s let’s hear this little

gem.
Don’t bother me anymore, I have

a boyfriend now.
Oh.

And then her friend Joy comes in
and gets rid of these dip shits,

which I love that.
So it’s kind of interesting

because like that scene that
they cut, it looks like she was

doing the exact same thing.
So maybe it just started feeling

redundant.
Yeah, true.

That’s a good point.
They’re like, OK, how many times

can she be saved by her friend?
When?

Until she gets a gun.
At least she’s got someone in

her Horner, yeah.
Exactly.

Speaking of guns, Anita wants to
learn how to shoot.

She’s like, after this thing
with Howard, she’s like, yeah, I

guess I got to become his dream
girl.

Yeah, Drew was already familiar
with guns and how to shoot.

Very weird to me.
Yeah.

She’s Drew said that it’s
something that she and her

friends would do for fun, which
I guess I’m not like that

surprised by considering she
would just want to try things.

I guess it’s interesting because
I remember when we were covering

a certain magazine article from
like 93 and she was talking

about having A and we were like,
that is so weird.

And we kind of blamed it on
Jamie Walters.

We thought maybe he got her into
it, but this predates that.

So I guess we were wrong.
Sorry, Jamie.

It just doesn’t seem like her,
but you know, no drill.

Yeah.
We do get a peek of Drew’s cross

tattoo on her ankle here.
And I was like, I forget how

like, early it was when she got
it.

So like, I don’t know, I was
surprised.

I don’t know why.
I love that they left all her

tattoo all.
I think she only had a handful

but.
I know that we get to see more

than one, right?
Yeah.

Yeah.
A letter from Howard reveals

that he has a chance of getting
out on parole if he has a job

lined up.
So it’s almost like here’s a job

for you, Anita.
Yeah, yeah, convenient for him.

Yes, and I, this is such a fun
little part.

Anita records an audio tape to
send to Howard, which we’ll play

a little bit of because it’s
really cute.

Actually, hi, Howard, this is
Anita.

Do I sound like you thought I
would?

And that surely was the nicest
thing I’ve ever read.

And you said you love me.
I love you more than warts could

ever know, my darling.
It goes on.

It’s very cute, but you’re
right, it’s very like, geez, now

we’re in love.
We’ve exchanged a couple

letters.
It’s like the equivalent of

meeting some old dude online and
you know it’s awful.

Yeah, a little bit.
There’s a really cool like close

up of her mouth when they’re
like, she’s like recording this

part.
It’s beautifully shot.

I love the screenshot you got of
this.

She also sends a really cute
Polaroid of herself to him that

comes in the same letter as the
as the.

Yeah, it took me by surprise.
Yeah, and we love real photos.

Like, I know I’ve kind of
forgotten him.

When I saw it, I was like, that
is so cute.

We need that.
Share that on the episode page.

Yeah.
Where is that?

Where is that photo?
It’s clearly a Polaroid.

Yeah.
And then I don’t remember, does

he like, respond?
But basically there’s these

little fantasy visions that he’s
having of her.

There’s two.
And they’re very different from

the rest of the movie.
They were actually shot after

filming it wrapped.
And Drew’s hair is shorter and

like almost like lighter or
brassier.

And this is like, fun little
piece of info.

They were filmed at G Sun
Studios, the Beastie Boys

recording studio.
That’s fun.

I like that little tidbit right
away.

I don’t know.
I don’t know why there’s one

little part where she’s wearing
this like rodeo style shirt and

she’s like going to shoot a gun
gun or like pretending to shoot

a gun.
It’s it’s a fantasy and it

reminded me of when this is so
random, but I know you knew of

when Drew was on the Letterman
on the David Letterman show in

like 1999 doing a dog trick with
Flossie.

And she also like has sort of
like a rodeo style thing and

goes bang.
I totally see it.

Flossie plays dead.
Very cute.

Also like I am positive that
probably I don’t know when I

look at this like the screen cap
I don’t immediately go gun

crazy.
Like it almost looks like a

photo shoot.
Well, and again, like, you can

tell, yeah, Tamra even says
something like even though it

only been a very short amount of
time, she’d already changed her

hair.
Cuz that’s what she used to do

back then.
Yeah.

So Howard writes a letter
claiming that he has accepted

God so that Anita can get him a
job with a preacher as sort of

like an assistant.
So that all works out.

He’s going to get out.
Everything’s going great for

these two, except.
So we get a little scene here

where Anita’s starting to really
feel like good about herself.

She’s really good at shooting.
She’s just like a natural at it.

But then she has a horrible
encounter with Rooney, her mom’s

boyfriend.
It’s implied he rapes her and

she shoots him in the trailer
living room.

And I’m like bye bitch.
Yep.

See ya.
We don’t need you.

No, you’re being of no positive
service to this.

This young girl.
You could go.

Yep, so and then perfect timing
’cause now it’s time for Howard

to come.
Yes, come on over, it’s all free

here.
Tamra intentionally kept Howard

James LeGros’s character mostly
off screen until now.

So you don’t meet him until
Anita does, which I think is

cool because like you don’t
really have any sense what he

looks like or anything and then
you meet him and he’s very non

threatening.
I don’t think that that

character looks like scary.
I mean, he really comes across

as sort of like he’s trying to
be like a gentleman.

Like Tamra said, that was sort
of one of the things that she

was intrigued by was this idea
of like these criminals, but

like, they can also have like
good sides to them, like

exploring that.
Psychos maybe, Or like kind of

they are, but I don’t know.
Yeah.

So Anita’s character picks up
Howard from the bus stop.

She like, drives herself in her
in Rooney’s car.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She actually looks her age in

the scene, I think, cuz she’s
like nervous or something.

But they’re so awkward together
at first, which like of course

they’ve exchanged a couple
letters like.

Right.
No.

Makes sense.
But I do think it’s played.

It is played well.
You can feel the awkwardness.

Very real.
This part is very weird.

So she takes him to the church,
I guess is like with the guy who

he’s going to be working with.
And there’s this creepy sermon

in process where it involves
snakes and banjo music.

And what’s funny is that like,
Drew’s character, Anita, like

they have Drew like laughing.
She’s sitting in the back, kind

of like laughing.
It’s almost like, yeah, this is

what I grew up around.
Like, doesn’t faze her, but it’s

such a, like, weird part of the
movie.

It creeps.
Me out it is odd.

So he’s going to work there,
great, but she’s not allowed to

stay there with him.
But then she comes and knocks on

the window at night to his
bedroom and it feels very mad.

Love to me it.
Does it’s really cute feels like

when she’s knocking on the
classroom window.

I also I wrote this down.
It feels funny to like read this

out of context, but the reveal
of her like having a gun in her

pants is so cute because it
shows her like bare midriff and

she’s got like these red like
corduroys on and she’s gun

tucked, this huge gun tucked
into.

Camera said something about that
shot.

I can’t remember exactly what,
but I think like she’d like

storyboarded it.
Like she really?

Liked that shot.
Cool.

I really like it too.
Like there’s something also the

color in it I think is also
like.

The color in this movie now.
Really cool.

It’s really cool.
Like, surprisingly so.

Anita takes out Howard to shoot
and she tries to seduce him, and

she’s really confused when he’s
uninterested.

She’s so used to using her body
as like, the tool to get pain to

like her, except her, you know?
And so she’s just like, I don’t

get it.
So we get a scene where Howard

goes to his parole officer and
it’s revealed that that’s Joyce,

dad.
So just this little small town,

of course, that works out that
way.

And he wants Joy to stay away
from these two, which is

understandable.
Anita just casually drops here

that she has left school.
She’s done with that.

Yeah.
And anyway, Joy ends up giving

them a ride back to the trailer
when their truck isn’t working,

so they have this cute little
girlfriend’s moment at the

trailer.
I just love seeing Ione and Ruby

so like, cute and silly and
they’re drinking and dancing.

They do this like, little
choreography.

It’s just adorable, Ione said.
Like, she sort of felt like she

and Drew were overwhelming
James.

She’s like, that’s kind of the
point, but like, it felt like it

was happening in real life too.
Not surprising.

Like now you’re like very, very
cute.

Like giggly giggly high energy
girls.

Yeah, So Joy’s dad comes in and,
like, breaks up the party.

And Tamra said it was really
hard to get this scene shot

because once Drew gets the
giggles, it’s hard to stop her.

And then there’s, like, this
moment after Joy’s dad leaves

that wasn’t scripted where she
says something like, I guess

your parole officer doesn’t like
you.

And she starts cracking up
again.

And Tamra said that was like,
totally Drew actually laughing,

which you can see.
You can see it.

Actually, like that specific
part, I was like, as this was

coming up, I’m like reading your
notes as I’m watching.

I’m like, OK, where?
And it was like so clear.

Like that is a real giggle.
I do like hate that Joyce Dad

makes like some really gross
remark to Anita because like,

you kind of want to root for him
in parts of this movie.

But after that, I’m sort of
like, oh, you suck just as much

as everyone else.
Because he seems to want to

like, write her off.
Oh, yeah.

But like, you think he’s like
trying to, you think he’s like a

good guy at some point, but then
yeah, he’s he calls her trash or

something.
It’s awful.

Yeah.
It is, it is.

It is rude for sure.
Nobody seems to like, want to

pay attention to the fact that
Anita is like a 16 year old girl

and they’re just like writing
her off as like, whatever.

She’s with everyone.
Yeah.

It’s.
Awful.

So in this part of the movie
Howard and Anita are just like

hanging out outside on a blanket
and the preacher like comes up

assuming that they are messing
around.

But we find out that Howard is
still isn’t ready for sex and he

doesn’t really get it.
Howard is like adamant that

nothing has happened, but the
preachers also adamant that they

need to get married.
Well, yeah, he says something

like you can’t be caught with an
underage girl.

It’s like, yeah.
Yeah, no kidding.

So let’s get married.
Anita is really excited about

this prospect.
Oh, she looks so cute as a

bride.
You know, I love bride Drew on

screen.
It’s like one of my favorite

things.
And she has a little Daisy

bouquet so love that it feels
early for a Daisy reference.

It does.
I also wonder like every once in

a while when I’ve seen daisies,
I think about how they’re like a

cheap flower.
And I’m like, I wonder if that’s

supposed to like, in this case,
be like up.

They just got like an
inexpensive flower just to

these.
That makes sense.

We love to think that there’s
actually a connection to being

Drew’s favorite flower and that
she had something to do with the

decision.
So Howard is once again unable

to perform sexually that night,
and Anita says that they can get

together in another way by
telling each other their deepest

secrets.
So his is that he’s never been

able to be with a woman.
He’s basically impotent, frigid

and impotent.
And her secret is showing him

her mom’s way.
Dead boyfriends, rotting corpse

out in like a freezer.
Frigid and impotent.

They really are.
They really are.

I like how she presents it too.
And she’s like this is how I’m

or this is my consummation.
Yeah.

Something like that.
Yeah, and it’s nasty.

Like Tamra says Like wow, I
thought this like wouldn’t hold

up like the special effect body,
but she’s like, it actually

looks really gross.
I wanted the body to not be so

rotted because it was in like a
fridge but I’m like OK I guess

the fridge was not.
Probably not plugged in.

Yeah, at this place.
That makes a lot of sense,

actually.
They live in like a junkyard.

Yeah.
So they Howard’s like, oh shit,

now we got to deal with this.
This isn’t good.

You know, I, I definitely feel
for him a little at this bar.

Yeah.
‘Cause he’s like, OK, yeah, OK,

we got to, we got to figure this
out.

So they take the body to this
like random furnace at the dump

that just runs all the time, I
guess.

And Anita has a nice little
thing to say as their the body.

Here lies pig, may he roast in
hell for all eternity.

Yeah, girl.
So there’s this really sad

speech from Anita here about how
she’s been abused, and now that

Howard’s here, he’s like, set
her free and no one better ever

mess with her again.
And this one really got me.

So Tamra said that Drew,
unexpectedly to Tamra, changed

the dialogue here.
And she was supposed to say,

like, ever since I was 13, men
have only one and one thing for

me.
And Drew changed it to 9.

I just was like, I hope there’s
no reason for that besides just

it felt true to the character.
I feel like there’s probably a

reason for it.
I know it’s just icky.

Sad is icky to think about.
Speaking of Vicky.

Speaking of Vicky, those
assholes from school show up

again and they’re harassing
them.

Howard, though, ends up shooting
and killing them both.

Kind of by accident, but kind of
like it’s like he has no control

over himself.
He doesn’t want to do these

things.
Right.

So he’s like, you’re making me
do this, kind of.

Anita, though, says at one point
to one of the guys.

It’ll be OK, Tom.
Just think about Jesus.

No, right?
Before he like is die, like dies

or is shot again or whatever it
is.

I mean, I don’t think it’s
intended to happen, but it does

happen and they’re gone.
I like that you point out that

there’s another yellow car for
Drew and the reason they take

that yellow car is because
they’re trying to take their

truck and it won’t start.
And she’s like, we can’t leave

this here.
The police will know, and

they’re like, let’s burn this
one.

Got to have Drew in a yellow
car.

As they bury the bodies, Howard
tells Anita if they get caught

to say that he made her do
everything, that it was like he

that he was the impetus for
every bad doing that happened,

which.
Semi true, sort of, but she did.

Start a lot of it herself.
Yeah, so then I was like, oh, I

guess we’re going to get a
bloody shower scene after all,

cuz they show them showering
together after this and they’re

the blood is going down the
drain.

Tamra was a little worried
about this because of the wet

tank top shot of a 16 year old
Drew, which I’m like, yeah, I

don’t think we needed that.
I.

Don’t really know why we
probably not.

No, but we do get another tattoo
peek here of her little toe moon

and it’s very cute and I love
that her like toenail polishes

chipped.
Like of course this girl.

That’s just true.
In fact, she even puts on nail

Polish, right?
Well, that is true too.

It’s probably just true, but I
like that you like the

character.
And then this is wild.

So James has a memory that
during filming of this scene,

there was like, it was one of
those moments where he and Drew

had some tension between them,
but then Drew just went over to

him and gave him a hug to, like,
make peace.

And then this glass plate that
was above them to protect the

camera from the water fell and
shattered right where she’d

previously been standing.
Kind of a try it.

Magic.
Magic, Drew, or magic James

calling you over?
What was that?

Thank goodness.
Thank goodness.

OK, so this is just like a weird
aside, but it takes us to where

it takes us.
It’s fine.

Yeah.
So the preacher, the one we

mentioned earlier, who likes to
use snakes in his in his

sermons, gets bit by like a
rattlesnake.

And they say that they’re like
whatever D poisoned or whatever,

right?
I’m like, what?

They take him to the hospital.
You figured out that it’s the

Linda Vista Community Hospital
in Boyle Heights in neighborhood

in LA, supposedly super haunted
and a frequent filming location.

OK, you’ve got a little tidbit
here that I bet you.

Have well, I recognized it once
I because they don’t show it

from the front.
But when I did see what the

front looked like, I was like,
oh, it’s Sunnydale Memorial

Hospital in Buffy.
I was so excited to see that.

But it’s used to lie.
Of course.

Our friend Lindsay Blake has a
whole post about it, but she

didn’t know about Guncrazy, so
I told her about that, which was

fun.
They also used it for the jail

scenes and for Kincaid’s office,
which is really neat.

Oh, OK.
And then I’ve like, you know, I

was putting it on our locations
map.

And funnily enough, is this less
than half a mile, so extremely

close to where the whole
doppelganger scene with the

train tracks in the tunnel where
that was filmed.

So it’s like, just a few months
later, she’s back there filming

again.
It’s just so funny.

Like, I feel like nothing’s
filmed in LA anymore, right.

But like back then, it’s just
like, yeah, I was just here

across the street a couple weeks
ago.

Right.
That’s so fun.

I love those little things.
And that’s the that’s the

strength of the map, right?
We never would have like put

those things together without
like, like our archive have

that, that thing there to do
that to help us make that

connection.
Mr. Kincaid comes to talk to

Howard and of course, we have
more chaos.

Anita ends up shooting a
different cop when Mr. Kincaid

pulls a gun and this is crazy.
I love this info.

That shot of like Drew shooting
the cop almost gave this an NC

Was it just because like the

number of shots or the?
Gruesome because it’s like

gruesome, like kind of splatter
on the wall behind him.

Tamra had to, like, really
fight the interesting.

What do they call the MPA?
Yeah.

Anita and Howard take Kincaid
hostage, which seems like such,

like, bad planning.
They drive him off into the

desert.
And of course, he’s going to

know who they are either way if
they release him, you know,

Right.
So.

And Howard, like, really starts
kind of losing it.

And Anita pleads with him not to
kill Mr. Kincaid because it’s

Joy’s father.
And I love this line that you

pointed out.
He says, you see that girl, the

one you called trash?
Well, she just saved your life.

Yeah, it’s such a good ending on
that scene.

Yeah, I felt vindicated because
I was so mad when Mr. Kincaid

was rude to her.
Yeah.

But yeah, this is like, to me,
it’s sort of Howards like really

trying to hold it together up
until this scene.

And then it’s just like, let’s
go berserk.

Yeah.
So they got to go on the run,

right?
Here’s our lovers on the run.

And Howard has the idea that
they go see Anita’s mom in

Fresno.
And Drew, like Drew herself just

looks so cute here because she
gets all excited.

Yeah.
She’s like, yes.

Like, oh, yeah, let’s do it.
Like, that’s a great idea.

She’s.
So going to Mexico?

I know it kind of reminds me of
that.

And then I love this little line
that she says while they’re on

their little road trip.
I’m hungry.

Well, maybe we see a rap or
something.

We can shoot it.
Fuck that.

Hey, you need it.
Do you have to use that

language?
I need cereal or something.

I like this, so relatable.
Sometimes they just need cereal.

Same on a rabbit.
I love cereal.

I think you and I are both
cereal.

Lovers, right?
Cereal, but they don’t have any

money for food.
And Anita’s also missing her

trailer.
She’s like, it wasn’t much, but

it was mine.
And yeah, you know, maybe she’s

sort of starting to realize,
like, maybe I’m not in the best

situation here.
Maybe so.

So at this point, they almost
hit a dog in the road and they

get out to help it.
You made a note here that this

might be close to where your
husband’s family lives.

Yeah.
Yeah, it’s so Tamra says it’s

near Agua Dulce, which is where
my mother-in-law lives.

And there is another town like
nearby.

I can’t remember off the top of
my head what it’s called, but I

showed the picture to Jason.
He’s like, Oh yeah, this is

totally that area, but I haven’t
found the house yet.

OK, Just give me time, you know?
I won’t rest until I do.

Yes.
So this doggie turns out it

belongs to Jade Barrymore.
Woman with dog.

Look at woman with dog.
Yes, exactly.

I thought that Jade was much
more natural in this, like I

mean it’s literally 5 seconds
but way more natural than in

doppelganger where we were both
like Oh no her acting is so bad

but in this she felt like a
normal woman.

Kind of.
But she also seemed like so

unlike unworried about her dog.
Like she’s like.

There it is.
There she is.

Oh, she’s always getting out.
Like, you were not looking for

your dog.
Totally.

This dog was like way down the
street.

And at this point, we see that
Jade’s character is packing up

to go camping.
And they, like, make a point to

ask, oh, are you going camping?
Definitely like setting

something.
Yeah, we are.

Yeah, we’re going camping.
Did you find, like, there was an

interesting kind of symbolism
here where Anita is like on this

journey to go find her mom and
then Drew comes to the door of

her actual mom?
Like, it’s kind of a neat thing

to think about.
Didn’t even really think about

that.
Yeah, well, that’s like the mom

thing is so prevalent as a theme
in the movie, right?

Like for her real mom to show
up, it’s just like, that’s

interesting.
So they stop into a bar planning

to rob the patrons of their
cash.

And this kind of goes awry
because pretty quickly, Anita’s

like, struggling with it.
She’s like, she’s like, starts

to take money.
And as it like, one guy says,

I’ve got kids.
Can’t you like, not take all of

it?
And that immediately like

triggers this response from
Anita.

I can’t do this, Howard.
For Christ’s sake, don’t say my

name.
Drews face becomes like,

immediately kind of like puppy
dog, like, like vulnerable.

Yeah.
And Tamra had noted

specifically that she loved
Drews little face.

She is so little, she’s just a
little 16 year old.

It’s crazy.
Just a little 16 year old.

She gets real tough in this
movie then like immediately gets

vulnerable.
That’s true, and that’s true,

right, right.
I have like a really cool quote

for our next episode from
someone about basically the

thorn and the flower of drew.
Oh, this is a that’s a great way

of that totally works in this
movie.

Cool.
So they they leave without any

money and then they head to this
really cute like I was

immediately like, where is this?
It’s very 60s looking place and

they’re going there to like get
some food.

It was called the Walk in but
spelled WALCK back then.

It’s in Simi Valley and now it’s
called the Old Susanna Cafe.

It still has this like triangle
shape to it, but it doesn’t look

as like kitschy and cute as it
does in the movie.

And I didn’t recognize it, but I
recognize the name and I’ve been

here.
That’s crazy.

Oh my God.
I know.

That’s so neat, what were you
there for?

Simi Valley is not that far from
where my boyfriend lives and so

we were meeting some friends
there.

This was like 3 years.
Ago, but well, if you go again,

take I.
Know that’s.

Your location stage.
Totally, totally.

I love how you were able to find
it because it’s so distinct too.

It took me like 2 seconds.
That’s awesome.

But this is interesting ’cause
it was definitely a restaurant,

and I’m guessing it still is,
yeah.

Right.
But they make it look like

they’re going here and that it’s
a convenience store, so they

must have just used the exterior
and then done the convenience

store scene somewhere else.
And I love this scene.

It’s just so like, like I wrote
like, oh, it’s kind of like a

shaky handheld camera.
And it turns out that Lisa, the

cinematographer was literally
sitting in a shopping cart with

the camera for this scene.
And they’re just like, so happy

to be eating this junk.
Like they literally are stealing

food and eating it in the store.
And nobody’s like stopping them,

which is actually kind of funny.
Drews like eating a big stick

popsicle for like multiple parts
of it like.

It doesn’t.
James put one of those like,

gross, like apple pie, like he
puts like the whole thing in his

mouth, like they’re starving.
Yes, they’re definitely shoving

things in their mouth.
Yeah, for sure.

And it is cool.
Like right away when I read that

note about the shopping cart, I
was like, there’s another

creative like, you know, they
didn’t bring a train in.

They just, you know, or a
Steadicam.

There’s their.
Steadicam Yeah.

So they make it to Fresno, and
it’s kind of funny because I

guess I’ve never been there, so
I shouldn’t speak out of turn,

but I feel like Fresno was not
thought of as like a great

place.
Fresno is like one of those,

like middle of nowhere, you
know?

But in the movie, they’re like,
it’s so nice and clean.

Here, the people are so fancy.
I’m like what Fresno?

It was actually filmed in
Glendale and there’s this really

cool shot where they sit in
front of this fountain and it

has a statue, like a face
statue, and it’s a profile and

Drew’s profile is right next to
it.

I was, I had to have been
intentional, but Tamra doesn’t

comment on it.
But anyway, after you kind of

pushed me because I could not
find this, this does not exist

in the same format anymore.
But you pushed me to like dig a

little deeper and I did find
where it was filmed.

It is right there on Brand Blvd.
in Glendale.

It totally makes sense.
I found an article that

described those sculptures so
they used to be there but they

aren’t anymore.
There’s still a fountain and you

can even see like the let the
levels of the fountains too.

But the weird little sculptures
are gone.

So still neat though.
We could go visit it for sure.

Nice finds.
Thank you.

You know me, once I get
determined, I love it.

I love it.
And yet another one that you

found.
So they stop, I guess at right

after this, they stopped to get
directions at the Great White

Hut Burger stand in Glendale,
which is still around.

Yeah, it looks different, but
it’s still there, which is fun.

Yeah, it is really fun.
The producer, Zane W Levitt, is

randomly playing the guy behind
the counter here.

I love those little things.
They’re.

Probably just like we gotta get
somebody.

I know that the Diane Firestone
producer is also has a cameo as

like a newscaster later on in
the movie.

I didn’t make a note of it, but
like, you know, they’re just

pulling what they can.
Right.

Or they’re like, let’s put me
in.

Yeah, their car is getting
towed, so of course, here comes

the gun.
Of course, the solution to

everything at this point in the
movie.

Yes.
And it works.

The guys like, OK, guys, they go
to Anita’s mom’s place where

they’re a bunch of people just
like doing drugs and.

And she’s not there.
Yeah.

It’s like a bad scene.
Yeah, they’re told the mom is

gone and owes money, so they
just cause more violence and

chaos and they’re out of there.
I mean, basically somebody’s

like, oh, you can like, like
work off your mom’s dues.

And Stanks.
So gross.

And this, again, like, when I
was watching it, I know that gun

crazy was kind of hazy in our
memories when we did our episode

about parentless characters.
We just knew that my mom, like,

wasn’t around.
So it really, like, brought on

another interesting level to me
to know like, oh, she was really

trying to find her mom and it’s
just not working out.

It’s bad news.
Yeah, so we’re at the finale of

the movie.
They decide they’re going to go

back to woman with dogs.
Empty house.

She’s on camping, so let’s go
use her house.

Drew is so cute with the dog, it
feels very natural.

Drew, I love that so much, too.
And they get all dressed up for

dinner, and there’s this sad,
sort of sweet, sad little

moment.
We look like nice people.

We are nice people.
You know, it’s Anita.

It’s true.
Like it’s not her fault.

She’s in this horrible situation
that she’s been basically born

into.
Yeah.

You know, she is a nice person.
She’s just life has been shitty

for her.
They’re convincing themselves

that they’re not like doing bad
things.

Yeah, totally.
Yeah.

That’s kind of that thing that
James said about how they’re

both sort of childish and they
can’t really, they can’t really

understand like what, what kind
of horrible things they’re

doing.
And like the consequences of

their actions.
Totally.

Right.
Like they’re not paying

attention to that.
The look though, is so different

than everything else in this
movie.

Yes, in her little dress up with
these she has almost that little

Poison Ivy French twist.
I had actually posted a picture

of this in our stories and I was
like what movie is this from?

And only one person guessed it
right.

Everyone else gets Poison Ivy.
Yeah.

And I knew that you were getting
ready for this, but I replied to

you and I was like, I don’t
think I would have known.

Like I would have definitely
questioned like, yeah.

But it’s so.
Funny, we did mention these

vacation slides.
Yeah, so they’re looking at

woman with dog and her husband’s
vacation slides and they’re, I

don’t know, we just, it’s just
funny.

We, we kind of laugh about Jade
sometimes.

And these definitely cracked me
up.

I mean, definitely, but I just
love thinking about these being

taken for the purpose of being
used in the film.

And like, Jade’s, like, dorky,
like, I just.

I just love it so much.
Yeah.

Anita calls Joy because she just
wants to talk.

And I was like, no, girl, bad,
bad, bad idea.

They’re going to find you.
But she’s not.

Again, she’s not thinking about
that.

And they get all excited because
they’re on the news and they’re

like, we’re on the news.
But then they see footage of

Howard’s dad essentially saying
that he hopes Howard dies.

Yeah.
So that sucks.

But very importantly, the news
report says it’s unclear if

Anita is an accomplice or a
hostage.

And that, like, brings me right
back to that true Crime Story of

Carol and Fugate because that
was totally a thing with her as

well.
Yeah.

Then we get this super out of
nowhere.

It’s pretty surprising.
Like I kind of forgot it

actually happens.
There’s a sex scene.

I was not expecting it at all.
Totally forgot about.

That I think it’s, it’s really,
it’s really pretty tame.

Sort of like it’s very
suggestive and like not, I don’t

know, they don’t really show
anything, but you know what’s

happening.
Tamra was nervous, of course,

because of Drew’s age, but Drew
did say it was.

It was like a beautiful and
natural scene, and you feel like

you’re looking through a keyhole
at them, which is true.

It kind of feels like they have
their, like, privacy in this

moment.
And it’s, like I said,

suggestive, but I didn’t
remember it.

I kind of thought that like they
didn’t ever have sex.

It’s very surprising.
Yeah.

I think it almost would have
been just as impactful if they

hadn’t, but they would have had
to probably like make a point or

something about that.
I don’t know. close-ups of Drew

in this scene were filmed later
as pickups.

And once again, the hair is
brassier, so you can kind of

tell in the makeup looks a
little heavier and different.

Like I was like I was.
Like her brows way darker.

Like once you knew, once you
know, you can’t like Unsee it’s.

Kind of funny.
She does like gorgeous, of

course.
Though, of course.

So finally, they’re starting to
realize there’s no way out of

their situation.
Just sad us all because they’re

going to catch us.
Well, if we play our cards,

they’re going to find us and
they’re going to shoot us.

And if they don’t, then the
state will later.

Howard I guess that’s pretty
predictable.

I never really minded dying
before.

What I didn’t realize is that I
was never really alive until I

hooked up with you.
Oh my goodness, I need.

Yeah, sad, but also like you
could do a lot better.

Yeah, and that she’s realizing,
like the danger that they’ve put

themselves in.
That’s good.

Yeah, because we see Joy’s dad.
He’s heading out to wherever

they are.
And before he goes, Joy reminds

him that Anita saved his life,
which I love that.

So Anita and Howard see the cops
pulling up to this house where

they’re at, and they get
dressed.

Anita says, well, if I’m going
to die, I want to have my

clothes on, like, again, sort of
like, immature and cute.

Yeah.
And there’s a really cool shot

where Drew is reflected in three
mirrors, and then James walks in

and he’s reflected in, like, 2.
And Tamra said that her and Lisa

were really into mirror shots
when they were filming this

movie.
This.

One is particularly cool and
it’s just such a short like few

seconds, but it’s cool.
It’s like right away you’re

like, oh look, I can see Drew in
like 4 different angles.

Her face is even in the little
mirror.

That’s all I know.
They’re so cute.

They’re cool.
So then randomly smoke bomb

comes and, like, is shot into
the house and Howard tells Anita

he’s going to make sure she gets
a chance to get away.

Like, he’s like, I’m watching
out for you.

And it’s immediately chaotic.
Yeah, he basically like he also

said to them like she’s a
hostage and then gives her a

little wing.
I know he’s like, I’m going to

shoot her a killer.
And then he’s like, wink,

kidding girl.
There’s something so cute about

it.
It actually is kind of cute.

There’s like some like warmth in
that, like very chaotic

momentarily.
Again, it’s like he’s like this

little boy, like you’re about to
die and he’s just like, hey, I’m

just.
Kidding.

Yeah, they each just casually
shoot a couple of cops when they

come in.
Tamra said that that part

always reminded her of ET when
the scientists come into the

house.
And I was like, that’s

interesting because I feel like
the gas masks add to that

because.
Each of the cops.

I think because they were
throwing that bomb in smoke

bomb, that they were like, OK,
we need to protect ourselves

from this.
But I could see that it’s.

Kind of neat.
Yeah, I love that little

connection.
Howard coaches Anita on what to

say after it’s all over.
Like he was before.

Like tell them I told you to do
all of it.

Yeah, they have a really sad
goodbye.

It’s really cool how it shot,
like, through that banister.

And Tamra said that Drew wanted
to make sure that she was, like,

really crying for real.
She didn’t want to fake it.

So Tamra had to, like, work with
her on that.

And it made Tamra so sad to have
Drew crying.

I know.
Howard says, hey, maybe tonight

we made a baby.
And I was like, oh, no, I hope

not.
That is the last thing this girl

needs.
Yeah, Yeah.

And then she has to watch him
die in this shootout, which is

like, intense.
It’s intuitive.

It’s insanely like, gruesome for
no reason.

He’s shot like 10 times by each
cop.

Like it’s like kind of crazy and
they make it so like action

movie dramatically totally shot
on a like, on like a stairwell.

Like, yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s a
bit much.

Right in front of her.
It’s just so sad.

But then I noticed during this
like sad moment, she’s laying on

her stomach and you can see the
guest jeans logo on her butt.

And I was like, she totally
looks like she’s practicing for

her future ad.
And I love that when you pulled

this one, it’s like the same
kind of like hip movement with

the other hip.
I know you gotta share this like

I will.
It’s too funny the.

Comparison for sure.
It’ll be on the gallery.

Yeah.
And then Joy’s dad comes in to

get Anita as she’s crying over
Howard’s body and she says he

made me do it.
So she’s going through with the

plan.
Yep.

And then these very end shots
where like the sun is coming up

and there’s all these emergency
vehicles in front of this

farmhouse.
Felt so scream.

And when I did a Google image
search to find this house, it

was trying to tell me it was the
house from screen.

I was like, no bitch, it is not.
I like that.

It’s like, I also see it, AI is
like, I also see the same thing

you do, Ashley, totally.
And that’s our movie.

It’s good, you guys.
If you haven’t watched this one

in a while, highly recommend you
revisit.

It’s free on Amazon Primes.
And like on YouTube right now.

The whole thing is on YouTube,
so guys, go check it out.

We’ll link to it on the episode
page if you don’t want to try to

find it yourself, but it’s easy.
And I, you know, we’ll get into

it a little bit, but like, Drew
got some accolades for this and

it’s not surprising.
Yeah.

I OK, so let’s talk a bit about
the release before we leave you.

So the movie was brought to Can
in May of 1992.

Tamra and Drew, of course, both
went.

I think Jamie was there with
her, right?

Yeah.
The movie originally aired on TV

on Showtime on October 17th of

The producers were somewhat
bummed that the movie premiered

on cable rather than in
theaters, which makes sense.

Especially back then.
I was just going to say like now

things in like TV and movie are
way more blurry.

Like TV is respected is just as
much as film these days in some

ways.
Totally.

Back then especially like a
premium cable channel where a

lot of people wouldn’t even have
had access to see it, right?

We’ve got a couple like rave
reviews for Drew, so let’s jump

into this a little bit.
I love these.

So this one was like, supposedly
really important, Vincent Camby

of The New York Times say.
He said Drew Barrymore gives the

kind of performance that can
transform A sweetly competent

actress into a major screen
personality.

Miss Barrymore’s Anita is an
important part of the way the

movie works.
She’s enchanting to watch, both

angelic and monstrous.
There’s that thing again.

It’s Miss Barrymore, whose
presence illuminates the screen.

She’s come a long way since ET
the Extraterrestrial, and

possibly she has much further to
go after she graduates from her

Lolita roles.
I love that.

It’s great.
Yeah.

The Angelic monstrous is a
perfect way to like talk about

that juxtaposition.
It’s also like doppelganger.

Yeah, it’s kind of funny.
Literally monstrous.

Yeah.
Drew said that when Vincent

Camby wrote about Guncrazy,
saying it was greatest film, she

said I didn’t even think he’d
see this movie.

Yeah, like amazing to her that
that person would even have

encountered the movie.
A lot of people involved with

the movie said this specific
positive review had made a big

difference and gave the movie
more opportunities.

That’s so interesting.
I wonder if reviews are as

important as they were at one
time like.

I don’t think so.
Probably not as.

Much weight, like for one guy to
have the power right, for his

words to matter that much, it’s
kind of amazing.

But he’s not the only one.
So the Los Angeles Times, they

said Barrymore, who was allowed
to drift over the top in Poison

Ivy, is much more in control
here.

And her portrayal of someone so
deeply in need of even

artificial affection that she
allows herself to be sexually

coerced is genuinely moving.
Well, sad.

Yeah, and then we’ve got Peter
Travers of Rolling Stone.

He’s one of those guys we always
like.

We always laugh about laugh
about something he said about

Charlie’s Angels or something
that cracks us up, he said.

This performance should dispel
Barrymore’s unfair Rep as the

Linda Blair of the 90s.
She’s a dynamite presence and a

credible actress, as she proved
in Catches, Poison Ivy and on TV

as the best of the three Amy
Fishers.

And then in Newsday, it says
Barrymore has played several

teen tramps in low budget
movies, but this is her first

substantial screen character and
she does wonders with it.

Wow.
And then finally, LA Weekly said

nobody is better equipped to
represent her lost generation

than Drew Barrymore.
With her bruised gash of a mouth

and a Born to Sid Bod, Barrymore
could probably get this message

across just by sauntering across
the screen.

But she’s also a deceptively
casual actress who brings oceans

of nuance to bear on each and
every bad seed.

Hell yeah.
Wow.

These are all, like, written
very, like, poetically.

Yeah, maybe that’s the art of
the review as well, right?

Awesome.
We love when Drew was, like,

recognized.
Yeah, I know.

It’s our favorite.
Yeah.

In December 1992, Drew received
a Golden Globe nomination for

best performance by an actress
in a Miniseries or Telefilm.

And you made a note that that
like wording has changed a

little bit, but at the time
that’s what they were calling.

Yeah, I know, Telefilm.
Yes, and we do have a little

clip of Drew like talking in
response to her nomination.

Nothing like this has ever
happened to me.

I know that we’re all shocked.
I’m shocked most of all, and I’m

really grateful.
Oh, like it’s a big deal at this

time.
Like, she just went from

blacklisted to Golden Globe
nomination.

Yes, she also said, I was
shocked when I was nominated.

It’s a real honor.
And much of the credit goes to

Tamra because she’s easily the
best director I’ve ever worked

with.
Sorry, Steven Spielberg, I just

threw that part in.
The award went to Laura Dern.

But it’s also funny that Jessica
Lange was nominated in that same

category.
Like, so cool.

Like the future, Drew would be
Jessica for their shared film

Grey Gardens.
Yes, the movie did receive a

limited theatrical run starting
on January 20th of 1993.

And Tamra’s pretty sure that
the movie was one of, like, the

first to go from cable to
theaters.

I’m very curious if that’s true.
But also, like, it’s unusual.

Yeah, that, like, I wouldn’t be
surprised.

Like that’s crazy.
It’s really neat that that

happened.
Yeah, and the movie was released

on VHS in February of 1993, on
February 24th.

And I’m going to let you kind of
take this talk about like the

incredible Blu-ray that was
released in 2020, because this

is so.
Weird.

It’s so weird.
So in December 2020, this

company called MVD released a
Blu-ray of the movie as part of

their rewind collection.
And I remember seeing it and I

was like, this can’t be real,
right?

Like, yeah, Guncrazy.
No one ever talks about gun

crazy.
Like there’s no way there’s this

brand new amazing DVD.
Well, it is real and it is

amazing.
It is full of features, like way

more than any movie that comes
out these days.

Yeah, there’s an entire 90
minute documentary brand new

called The Making of Guncrazy
with interviews from tons of the

film makers and cast.
And I use that massively as the

source for this episode.
Like without this, I would have

so many less notes.
There’s tons of amazing behind

the scenes footage.
Like I wish I had a way to

digitize this for you guys.
I was like sending pictures of

my TV to Anne because it’s just
crazy the stuff that they have.

Because I do not have this
Blu-ray.

Yeah, there’s also the
commentary that was done by

Tamra around 2003 for the DVD.
And then they they say like

commentary with Tamra and Drew,
but really they just like

intersplice.
Every once in a while they’ll

insert this like audio of Drew
from 1991 on set.

So it’s kind of like, it’s not
really common, Terry, but it’s

kind of cool.
That’s a lot of.

Work for them to be like if
you’re splicing that.

Also whoever put this together
like.

I’m telling you, there’s also
this like very cool making a

featurette from 1992 and it
literally looks like it was shot

on a camcorder, like on set like
this stuff like you would never

see this for most movies.
It’s very, very neat, but sadly

it’s really hard to find now.
I didn’t realize this until you

went to go look for a copy.
Went to go look for it and like

on Amazon it was like $80.00 and
I was like what is going on?

So my understanding or my
thought is that it was a very

like small production like run.
Run.

Blu-ray I, I mean, if you’re out
there and you have it, like

cherish it or send it to us.
Yeah, you need.

You need a.
Copy, but I’m so glad that you

have it.
I know you were able to like

access it for this.
I’m so glad to have be able to

take all of those Nuggets of
info from this and share it with

you guys because I feel like
otherwise they’re just sitting

on this Blu-ray that nobody can
find.

Yeah.
One last thing I do want to say

is that the podcast
Hollywoodland, which is I think

a pretty big podcast, they just
happened to recently release a

really good episode on Guncrazy
like.

That’s so weird.
And they even did like this

curated mixtapes of songs that
they felt would have been

inspired by the movie.
So go listen to that.

It’s very short and fun.
But the guy who hosts that was

also just like, this is a cool
movie.

Like this is a really neat,
great movie that more people

need to know about.
And I think you said they said

something like the movie that no
one’s talking about.

Yeah.
And I was like, wait, we’re

talking about it in like a
couple weeks.

I feel like we gotta like send
them a thing like we were

working on this.
I did actually.

The host actually started
following our podcast account,

which was like, oh cool.
That’s really, really cool.

So I said we’d give a shout out.
Oh yeah, yeah, that’s, that’s

cool.
I’ve got to listen to it

because, like, there’s not that
much about this out there.

No, there’s literally I searched
like in Spotify podcast gun

crazy and I think I found two
other things ever discussing it.

So I feel like this is the big
one, guys, this is your jackpot

of Guncrazy info.
Unless you have that Blu-ray,

you’re not going to have all
this info.

Yep.
And a lot of this comes from

like our personal Drew magazine
archive too.

So right, I’m really excited to
do this love letter to this

movie that I’m so glad Drew did.
Yeah, me too, Me too.

And I’ll never stop saying I’m
glad we had an excuse.

To watch it, Yeah, absolutely.
I’ve just like, totally fallen

in love with it again.
So yeah, yay.

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How Do You Drew Episode 129 – Vanity Fair, July 1984

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I’m Anne.
And I’m Ashley and this week we

are discussing a real old
magazine feature.

This is the feature done on a 9
year old Drew in Vanity Fair

magazine, July 1984.
So cool.

Our oldest one that we’ve ever
done, by far.

Yeah, it’s kind of neat to,
like, jump back.

We were just like going into
Drew’s young life talking about

Steven Spielberg.
So we’re just kind of like

staying in this like.
I know I was definitely seeing

some like crossover between last
episode in this episode.

It’s.
Kind of, Yeah.

Yeah.
OK, so we’ve got some things at

the top.
Before we get into the topic,

one of the first things we
wanted to talk about was the

Lena Dunham interview from the
Drew Barrymore Show.

So good.
It was so good.

You know, it’s very unusual for
me to watch ahead of like

whatever airs on Paramount, but
there was like a link that their

shows Instagram did to the
extended YouTube version.

And I happened to have like
random downtime where I was able

to watch it and I’m so glad I
watched it.

That me too cool, everyone needs
to watch it that way.

I haven’t watched the like
edited version on paramount but

why even?
Bother Yeah, no need.

Yeah.
I don’t know how I, I think I

noticed that there was a clip on
like Instagram that like wasn’t

in the show and I was like.
OK.

Where’s the rest?
And then I went to YouTube

specifically looking for it.
And then I watched a couple

other extended ones that were
older because I was like, oh, I

don’t know if I ever watched
this.

Anyways, it was so cool.
They did something really

different where they didn’t have
an audience for this one, which

I thought is so interesting.
That was the.

The third time this season, and
I do wonder, like if it’s a

scheduling thing.
I was thinking.

It is, but man, there were just
so many very interesting moments

in this one.
And like I pulled four small

little clips for Instagram and
how do you do pod that?

I thought like really nicely
correlated to things that we

talk about on the podcast and on
the Patreon.

Like there was like a thing
about Jade Drew’s mom that like

she didn’t even name her, but I
was like, oh, we clocked that

and little girl lost like
pressure on her looking a

certain way.
Anyway, very cool.

I mean, she’s like, I don’t
know, like what your feelings

are on Lena Dunham.
She’s like very disliked on the

Internet.
Very.

But I always think about our
Jolena.

Yeah, I don’t know if you
remember this, but like Jolena

used to do massages and she just
happened to do it in LA and had

a lot of celebrity clients.
And she always said Lena was the

number one best, nicest person
she ever worked on.

So I always like take
everybody’s hate with a little

grain of salt cuz I’m like
Jolena loved her.

I feel like Lena Dunham.
I really like her.

I like her vibe.
The way she like comes off as

very, I don’t know, like
easygoing.

I don’t know.
She seems really cool, but I

kind of get why people are odd
about her.

I don’t know.
Well, she came off great in this

interview, so I’m like, maybe
chilling is on to something.

Yeah, it was really, really
cool.

Yeah.
You want to talk about this next

new old thing?
Speaking of really, really cool,

Oh my God.
So our wonderful friend Renata

at Drew Barrymore Brazil just
discovered on YouTube.

It was only uploaded like a
couple days ago, a 1979 GM auto

Parts commercial starring a tiny
little Drew looking so cute.

She’s reminding me a lot of my
of my toddler here in this.

I wonder if I should play like
the little part where she talks

at the end.
Let me see.

Because it’s like hard to
understand her because she’s so

little too.
And now General Motors dealers

are offering both infant and
child love seats.

Love seats were developed by GM
safety engineers.

They’re strong and comfortable,
right?

Honey, keep that great GMP and
genuine.

GM parts.
My seats for big girls it is.

Kind of amazing to see a car
seat commercial from 1979 that’s

very out of the time.
Surprised.

Yeah, glad to know that.
She looks exactly like she does

in Altered States.
You’re totally correct about

that.
And yeah, this is crazy.

It’s like we’ve discovered a few
new quote UN quote commercials

she did pre ET.
I’m I counted we’re up to 8 now.

And it’s really neat to like
have another one because I

always remember in Biorhythm the
MTV special from 98.1 of the

things that it would say on the
screen was she like auditions

for a shit load of commercials
and books every single one.

But back then we only knew about
like 3, right?

So like me no more, Yeah.
There’s probably like, there’s

Howie Moore hidden out there
because it was like, that was

where her career was for a
little while.

Yeah.
So crazy.

Yeah.
Thank.

Thank you to Drew Barrymore,
Brazil.

Oh my gosh, Renata’s the best.
And we will link to the

commercial on the episode page
if you guys missed it.

Yes, and we just wanted to talk
about our Patreon for a second.

Our daisies over there.
We have a new Daisy who is at

the doozy of Drew level Shannon
so.

Hi.
Hi, Shannon.

And there’s a goodie pack going
out to you very, very soon,

probably by the time you hear
this.

Yes, and Ashley has already put
up this Vanity Fair feature that

we’re talking about in this
episode on our Patreon.

Lovely scans of the feature.
So if you’re not a Daisy yet, go

over there.
Yeah. $1.00 You can look at the

whole feature, the photos, the
article, everything.

Yes, and we are working on the
next chapter of Wildflower

because we are going through the
chapters.

We’re working on Chapter 4, My
Beautiful Launderette, about

Drew moving out when she was a
teenager after she was

emancipated.
So that’s going to be fun.

So it’s going.
To be really fun, we’re pretty

much done with the notes, we
just haven’t recorded yet.

And man, you just know how I
love going on my little

detective hunts and finding a
piece of information.

I was just going to say you
little detective and.

I have something I have been
trying to track down for years.

I nailed it today.
So if you want to know what

that’s all about, go join.
Patreon.

You have to
patreon.com/howdoyoudrew.

Oh, OK, let’s talk about what
Drew has proclaimed her love for

recently.
I love love, OK?

Drew loves a wallpaper.
Of course we know.

Yeah, of course.
I wish I had.

Bought some of her flower
wallpaper.

I know.
She loves a little rebellion.

Totally.
She loves.

A Bruce Valance reference.
Is that the Hollywood Squares

guy?
Yeah, yeah.

She loves the Tom Cruise run.
Oh my God I loved that episode

so much with Chris Lemming.
Yes, Oh my God, that was one of

the best, one of the best
episodes of the whole season.

I love him, please please watch
his special he’s so good.

It’s on my list, so I’m going to
do it.

You have to, OK?
Drew also loves a freshie right

out of the oven.
Piping hot.

What?
Kind of freshie I.

Think food if I.
Remember, she loves to play

memory bank.
On her show, we want to play

that with her.
Can you imagine the photos we

could pull up and just like stun
her with my?

God, my God.
Drew loves a mask.

We know this Darth Vader.
Yes, Drew loves stuffed shells.

Yum.
She loves physical comedy, her

little ham.
Speaking of Chris Fleming.

Yeah, right, She loves weird
random questions.

Oh, we do too.
Great.

She loves crosswords.
Yeah, Yeah.

That’s I’m surprised that hasn’t
come up.

I know same.
I double.

Checked it, she loves memes.
OK.

Leonard Maltin and I was like,
melt.

So if you guys don’t know the
weirdest story about him, should

we like say this right here?
Yeah, sure.

I’ll, I can, I can kind of say
it.

Maybe you’ll remember parts of
it better.

But OK.
So we were looking at a photo on

eBay of John Barrymore and we
were planning on buying it for

Drew for her birthday and we got
outbid.

I think I was buying it.
And so I was able to message the

person who bought it.
Yeah, you used to be able to see

who bought him on eBay.
That’s how long ago this was.

Yes.
And I said to them, I didn’t

know it.
Well anyway, I didn’t know who

it was.
I messaged them and said I

really wanted to give this as a
gift to Drew Barrymore.

You know, this is of her family
and we love doing well,

whatever.
And like right away this person

like agrees to mail the thing to
us.

Didn’t even make you pay right?
I don’t think so.

I don’t think so either.
I think he just.

Yeah.
And then I don’t know when I

figured it out, but it was
Leonard Maltin, guys.

He was collecting this John
Barrymore thing.

And I was like, hey.
I love that he’s on our thank

you page on the Drewseum.
God, that’s such an amazing

weird thing to happen.
So was me saying milk because I

couldn’t remember.
Yeah, name.

Yeah.
So we just started.

Calling him Milk.
Milk.

Anyway, little weird segue.
We have those guys.

We have weird.
We do.

Counters like this.
We do.

And last of all, for now, Drew
loves samosas.

I’m hungry.
Good list.

It is a good list.
OK, so should we get into the

druism of the week?
You know those cool little isms

that we do?
OK, I love this one because it’s

funny, but also because I
manifested it because I think,

like, the day before this, I had
texted you and I was like, I

have a feeling that when Drew’s
done with her show, she’s going

to try Broadway.
Like, I just have this feeling

and you’re like, I can’t see
that.

And then all of a sudden she’s
talking about it.

It was with Laurie Metcalf,
right?

I don’t know, I haven’t seen
that episode.

Oh, OK.
Yeah, it was.

So anyway, she’s talking about
how she was, she is just

terrified to do theater.
And I was like, well, yeah,

exactly.
She loves doing stuff that

scares her.
But the quote was my family does

a rotisserie turn in the grave
every time because I am so

scared of theater because she
comes from this theatrical

acting family.
On the stage.

Yes, the Barrymore Theater.
Yes.

And they are probably all just
going come on girl, let’s go.

I love that you like, like you
said, you kind of manifested it.

I mean, what I do, I’m very
curious if that will be

something that we’ll see Drew
doing.

Oh my God, how cool would it be
to see her performing?

Yeah, we just have to go.
Oh my God, stopping us.

That would be so cool.
Yeah.

OK, Drew, we’re ready for you to
do theater.

Let’s talk about what’s new with
Drew here.

We go with the news, everybody.
This girl, she just is

constantly making us update our
tattoos episode so it looks like

she has a new one.
This is like at airtime, right?

Not airtime at the time of
recording.

We can’t 100% verify, but it
seems this way.

So she has the word grace
written in cursive on her left

arm right next to the word
breathe.

And the tattoo artist Sarah
Corey, who had done Drews 222

tattoo last summer.
She came on to the show to

tattoo Zayn Malik.
It was filmed way back on March

day after we record this.

So OK, you know, you guys are
probably going to be like, yeah,

duh, it’s true.
But so Zane had said in an

interview that he got Drew’s
name tattooed on him.

He’s like, got tons of tattoos.
And she in turn got the meaning

of his name, which is Grace.
And fun fact, my name Anne also

means Grace.
I love that.

So she got my name on her.
That’s really cool.

My name means the one who comes
from the Ash Tree Meadow.

Not really as lovely, but yeah.
So we spotted this on the show.

Like I caught I it caught my eye
during actually it was during

the Chris Fleming interview, but
I thought it was one of her just

like riding on her arms like she
does.

But yeah, she’s like pointed to
it twice without like calling it

out.
But she said like Grace, and you

know she does with her time
tattoo she was points to.

Yeah.
So yeah, I think we’re at tattoo

This is wild.

Cool, she just keeps getting
little mini ones.

On her arms, every time.
But that’s that’s so cool.

I mean, I love that.
Like it’s about spotting it and

then you noticing her pointing
to it.

Like you’re like, oh, it’s
exactly.

It’s a fun little process and
she’s.

Totally telling you without
telling, without actually.

Telling you she’s like winking
at the camera.

Ashley and Anne, I bet she
caught this.

Just kidding.
Hey guys, just a quick editor’s

note to let you know that we
have confirmed that the tattoo

of the word grace is real.
Drew got it on the show.

Like we said with Zayn Malik
though, the tattoo artist was

not Sarah for Drew.
It was actually John Boy who

also did Drew’s sardines tattoo
and her tattoo that says time.

So we wanted to just clarify a
little bit that we got some more

info.
Enjoy the rest of the episode.

Okay, I haven’t sadly watched
any of the newer episodes of

Hollywood Squares, so I’m
behind.

I know I’m behind.
You’ve got a nice little binge

session ahead of you.
Yes, I try to watch them with my

boyfriend so like sometimes it’s
hard for us to align and these

are short so I need to watch
them.

So episode 17 through 19 have
come out so cute and every

single one.
I love her looks on this show.

I know, gosh again, Deb with the
makeup just killing it and Lana

went there.
So many fun looks so good.

We have some bonus around facts.
Do you want me to spoil them for

you?
Yeah, sure, let’s go for it.

All right, the first one is Drew
is certified in plant based

nutrition true or false?
False.

Seems like something she would
do, but yeah.

Her nickname for Cameron Diaz is
Poo Poo.

That’s true, guys.
Yeah, true, true poo poo.

And then, okay, credit to
Hollywood Squares.

This is the very first time they
have officially stumped me where

I did not know if this was true
or false, because this is a

weird one.
Yeah, Drew has a 4.86 star

rating on Wiki feet.
That’s probably true.

Is it true?
It’s true and I had a 5 this.

Picture of I hope it’s out of
five.

Goodness, I love this picture of
her face when when they called

it that it was true and it is.
Correct.

You have to put that in the
episode phase like well.

You like I don’t know what my.
Is this my?

Is it my score on wiki?
Feet.

I didn’t want to go down that
road looking it up, so I just

trust it.
That’s.

That is so fun, guys.
Hollywood Squares.

It’s so fun, so funny.
I’m glad I have a little binge

coming ahead.
Yeah, the number 19 has like so

many funny people in it and I
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OK, are we ready to get into

Vanity Fair?
Let’s flip open the pages

because I love paper.
We’re going back in time, guys.

I guess we always are when we’re
doing these, but right now we’re

going back a little bit further.
Further than we ever have before

for a magazine, which is really
interesting.

You know, I think, I don’t know
if it feels like overall there’s

less interest in Drew’s life as
a child then obviously like the

really interesting because I

think it’s so telling of how
she’s been formed to be the

person she is.
There’s a lot in this article

that I was like.
Yeah, there’s some heavy like,

like wording that we can totally
extract.

So yeah, but there’s some fun
stuff too.

Yes.
OK, so the article was written

by Daphne Davis.
Photos were by George Hurrell.

And I’ll let you take the
details about this because I

think this is really cool.
Oh, this is one of the coolest

parts about this whole feature.
So George Hurrell was a very

famous photographer who majorly
contributed to all those glamour

images of Hollywood’s golden age
during the 30s and 40s.

So when you think of like
Hollywood glamour, you’re

probably imagining his photo.
Yes, Like he did a lot of Jean

Harlow, which I, you know, I
love her.

But the really neat part is that
he notably shot the Barrymores,

so Lionel, Ethel, and of course
Drew’s grandfather John.

The article even opens with a
photo of him and Greta Garbo

from Grand Hotel that George
Hurrell shot.

So I.
Wonder how many times like Drew

got to work with?
Someone.

That’s exactly what I was going
to say.

Right, because like, we know
that people would tell her

stories about.
Her.

Family.
But I don’t, I can’t think of

another time we know of them.
Like actually, maybe there’s

another.
Photographer, I don’t know, the

only time I can kind of
remember, I believe there was

somebody who worked on the set
of Bogey, maybe a producer,

maybe the director, I don’t
remember who had also worked

with one of her family members.
But like, you know, we’re

talking like 30-40 years in
between, so.

Long career.
Yeah.

How?
How often is that going to

happen?
So.

Cool.
We’ll definitely include some of

these beautiful photos in the
gallery of Drew’s family that he

took and then like to realize he
took this huge family portrait.

Yeah.
I was like what?

This is amazing.
That’s so cool because I’ve

definitely seen that before.
I feel like we talked about that

chair that Ethel’s being on
looking kind of like the one

that Drew’s odd in riding cars
with boys at the wedding.

I don’t remember talking about
that, but as soon as you say

that chair looks like I knew
where you were, we’re going.

It’s the chair.
Oh, we got so cool.

OK, so a couple more details,
just like kind of credits.

We’ve got hair and makeup by
Alfonso no, who notably did

Charlie’s Angels, Jaclyn Smith
hair and makeup on a few

projects.
So that’s kind of a fun little

connection had to.
Put that in there for our friend

Marcus.
That’s cool styling by the

quote.
I love Ricky UN quote team, who

is Rick Castro and Michi
Tomimatsu?

So that’s that’s kind of the
stuff at the top.

It’s neat to like, I don’t know,
I love Ricky team crack me up.

I noticed.
A little.

I know I love Ricky.
Yeah, it does.

Super 80s.
I had to like, dig deep.

I’m like, can I at least get
these guys names?

Yeah, it is kind of interesting
where Vanity Fair magazine was

at this time.
I was not aware of this until I

was doing the research.
So it had been out of print

since the Great Depression and
then was only just revived for

the March 1983 issue.
So it’s only been back for a

year and a couple of months at
this point.

That’s wild because I feel like
it’s one of those.

Maybe I’m thinking of like
Harper’s Bazaar, but I can like

picture.
Think I’m doing the same issues.

You know.
Yeah, well, there were.

It stopped for a while and it it
was like folded into vogue at

that time.
Interesting.

So I like that.
Yeah, and I thought this was

cool.
I found like a little news

clipping for also from 84 that
was calling it the new sassy

celebrity oriented style of
Vanity Fair.

And it said it was basically
like an upscale, sophisticated

version of People magazine now.
So it’s like, wow, that’s not

where it was before.
And I feel like it is still kind

of that, you know, you think of
like the Hollywood issues and

all those.
So just kind of a neat little

history lesson on vanity.
Fair, I like it.

It’s kind of fun to have those
little like tidbits that are

unrelated like related.
You know, related enough, yes.

OK, before we get into the
photos, I just realized also, is

this the first feature we’ve
done where she’s not on the

cover of the magazine?
No, no.

Oh, we did Vogue 93 and and that
might be it though.

OK.
It’s unusual.

Yes.
So this one, she is not on the

cover.
I don’t remember what the cover

is.
It’s like a model and it’s very

because it’s a July issue.
She’s like in red, white and

blue and she’s doing like a.
Weird post.

I can picture it now.
Suddenly I got I got it in my

head when you said 4th of July.
I’m such a good model that’s.

Exactly.
That’s how I knew.

So these pictures are really
kind of unique.

Like in in two of them
especially, she’s like dressed

like way older than her age, but
in like A and she looks so

serious too, so serious.
Yeah, absolutely.

And the most classic one, of
course, is the first one of her

in, like, this pink long flowing
dress.

And she’s got this feathered
headdress on.

And, you know, I think it is
supposed to evoke this, like,

George Harrell glamour
photography totally vibe, but

she’s very serious in it.
Yeah.

It’s not like the.
I don’t know.

I’m almost like, is she OK?
Like, was she into this?

It’s hard to tell.
Yeah, I think it was probably

direction.
Yeah.

You know, so there’s a quote
from Drew from Allure magazine

in 2013, she said that’s a lot
of look, but it was for Vanity

Fair.
So perfect.

I mean, it’s just sort of
fabulous.

Unfortunately, nowadays I feel
like lots of girls get dressed

up in that way and it gets out
that weird pageantry thing.

Which like it’s like borderline
there with this.

I have so many things to say
about just like the way the

press was about child actresses.
I mean, we can all go on and on

in a little bit, but absolutely,
it’s a really cool photo.

It’s very, I feel like pretty
iconic, I would say from her

childhood.
It’s neat.

And it’s such like you take such
a pivot when you flip the page

and you get one of her where she
does look like a little girl and

she’s smiling and has like a
little pink hat on.

And that one, she feels her age,
feels like a nine year old

there.
Yeah.

And then like followed by
another sort of serious of Drew

wearing this like seeked wind
gold and black dress, looking in

a mirror and serious again.
But like there also like her

body suddenly looks like a
teenager or something.

Yeah, it’s like got this weird,
like femme fatale, like noir

vibes.
Yeah.

I mean, it’s definitely a
little, it’s a little like right

there on the line of like, is
this cute or is this weird?

I think it’s really cool.
I mean, I, I don’t remember when

I got this in my collecting, but
it feels like one of those like

it’s common enough to not be
like that scarce, but like it’s

also a really cool unique thing.
Like, I don’t know.

Curious how many people
listening are not familiar with

this and it might be like a new
thing for them to see.

So that’ll be cool.
Yeah.

Always, always, always.
Guys, we have an episode page on

how do you drew.com and there
will be all the photos for you

to go see.
Yes, absolutely.

One more thing about that golden
black dress.

Weirdly, this dress.
Did I find it or were we

together?
I think.

You found it first.
Yeah, so I went to a shop in

Burbank, CA called It’s a Wrap
and they sell clothes that were

used on like productions.
I think it’s usually like, you

know, like usually TV, Yeah,
yeah.

I was trying to think of like
whatever, like what’s the like

daytime TV anyway?
Soap operas soap.

Operas like I feel it’s like a
lot of soap opera clothes.

Anyway, on the wall they have a
framed dress.

It’s this dress, weirdly, with a
picture of the magazine next to

it.
I tried.

Yeah, we’ve like asked them
about it.

Yeah, I’ve reached out.
I’ve like gotten like sort of

vague responses like, well, why
do you want it?

Or like something weird like
that.

And like, I’ll reply and not
hear back.

This is a good reminder to maybe
try again because like, I’m

wondering what they would even
want to sell it for.

It’s like way high up on the
wall.

It’s hard to see like the only
picture we have of it is kind of

shitty.
Do we know it’s still there?

I was there.
It was soon after Elle was born,

so within the last three years,
and it was still there, OK, But

I was like with a big group of
people and we’re kind of rushing

through, so I didn’t like have
the time.

Stop and I.
Should have like.

Looking back I’m like.
Fuck it, I should have just.

Grabbed somebody and been like,
can I buy that?

How much?
Let’s go?

But I was like dealing with a
baby.

And I know you’ve had it up for

I know, right?
Anyway, just a cool little

tidbit about that.
So random.

So random.
There are 4 outtakes from this

that we’ve seen and they are all
printed in this magazine called

Revista from January 1986, which
is weird.

It’s like so much time later.
Is it like a foreign magazine?

Yeah, I don’t know.
I don’t want to get it wrong and

say it what country it’s from.
I almost want to say Spain, but

I have a copy of it which is
cool.

So there are 4 pictures, the one
that’s like on the balcony.

So it looks like this whole
shoot was just done in a hotel

room to me.
Like, the one in the mirror also

looks like a hotel.
Totally.

Yeah.
But yeah, there’s one of her,

like, on the balcony.
And, like, she’s still wearing

that feathered headdress.
And she has, like, a little

bathing suit and, like, a
glamorous mirror.

And again, it’s like, it’s so
cute.

But it’s also like, is this
weird?

I don’t know.
That 1 is really funny.

That outtake on the balcony?
Yeah, Like it?

Yeah, it seems.
I don’t know, Goofy.

It does.
In my research, I discovered

that USC in there, like
archives, has a contact sheet of

negatives from this.
Yeah.

So I reached out to them.
I emailed to see if we could

like get a scan because you have
to like make an appointment to

view this collection.
And the last time I tried this,

it was it worked out great, but
this time haven’t heard anything

back.
So that would be incredible to

see.
I I think you probably will.

If not, maybe I can get like
maybe I have someone through my

connections that knows AUSC.
That’s what I was going to say.

I’m like, I should have just
left it to you because you

probably would have phrased it
like.

No, no, no, I’m sure.
Whatever.

I’m sure.
Whatever you requested, I hope

that they can share it.
Oh, that’s so cool.

Yeah.
So we’re trying, yeah.

But yeah, the pictures are
really unique, guys.

You have to check them out.
Like the article’s also really

fun.
We’ll get into some fun stuff,

but so the photos are neat,
really neat.

I mean, working with someone
from that era of her family,

it’s just very, very special.
That they like talked about her

family.
Yeah, You know, when we play

memory bank with Drew, we’ll
bring up these photos, the

outtakes she hasn’t seen
probably ever.

I will say, what do you remember
about working with George

Harrell?
There we go.

Well, write it down.
OK, so I’m ready to get into

this article.
Yes, I am.

I have.
I had a lot of like little

sidebars from this because it’s
a short one, but I was like, no,

there’s enough here.
This is going to be this is

going to be good.
Yes.

So it starts out calling Drew
the last of the Barrymores, and

this is what it says.
That’s actually kind of scary

creepy.
At the last.

I don’t know.
So then it says she’s uncannily

cute, she’s spookily smart,a and
now she’s a flaming star.

Drew Barrymore, John’s
granddaughter, gets the full

Hollywood treatment from
photographer George Harrell and

an ice cream soda from reporter
Daphne Davis.

Thank.
You.

Yeah.
And like I said, it has this

photo of John Barrymore and
Greta Garbo.

And it starts the article starts
with a quote that’s supposedly

by John Barrymore.
I don’t.

I wasn’t able to, like, verify
this.

Yeah, but I love this quote.
It sounds like something he’d

say.
If you sit in front of the

camera long enough, it will show
you not only what you had for

breakfast, but who your
ancestors were.

So I hope that’s.
True, I like that quote for

this.
Yeah, the very more profile.

When are we going to get that on
the sound bar?

Hugos Yeah, that’s true.
We really do need that Hugos.

What the hell I’m supposed to be
looking at I?

Don’t know, the author says.
When Drew came on screen and I

needed to use ET, the Barrymore
tradition was reborn.

It’s lovely.
It’s a lovely thing to say.

Her father had kind of killed
it.

And then there’s a little brief
recap.

Of course there had to be with
them going on and on about the

Barrymore is there’s a recap of
John, Ethel and Lionel and their

theatrical family.
Turning in the rotisserie, turn

in the grave.
Because Drew’s not on theater.

And then here’s another quote.
It says 9 year old Drew their

photogenically dazzling
descendant is currently being

touted as Hollywood’s first
child actress possessed of

instinctual.
Superstar quality.

So yeah, this is I was like,
this article really is laying it

on thick with like this
expectations of her to be this

tremendous talent and superstar
and like, yeah, it’s kind of

wild.
Like I’m, I just look at this,

I’m like, how did she not feel
incredible pressure?

Totally.
You’re carrying on this grand

acting tradition.
You’re the first child actress

who has ever been a superstar,
which is like blatantly untrue.

It’s.
Insane, but yeah, it is.

It you’re laying it on thick is
a good description, yeah.

And it goes on to state how
directors and cameramen and

producers, etcetera all rave
about her abilities, which I

which I’m sure is true.
Yeah.

And it says and her mesmerizing
gaze, which telegraphs a desire

to be loved.
At the same time it bores holes

into viewers hearts.
And again, I was just like, oh,

that’s so true.
A desire to be loved.

I know that’s so like insightful
for this person who wrote this

Daphne to have picked up on.
Yeah.

Totally.
And it says that after ET came

out, Drew received almost as
much fan mail as ET himself.

That’s cute.
That’s really cute.

OK.
Then it goes on to talk about

Drew’s mom.
We always love little, you know,

Pastu.
So Drew’s mom, it says Ildeko

Jade.
She was still using that name,

forbids her daughter to study
acting for fear she might turn

out like Jodie Foster and quote
everyone who’s studying acting

at Yale.
And this, I guess, caused, like,

some drama.
I love this.

Yeah, I had very randomly come
across this recently, so it was

in my brain.
I was like, wait, there was like

some pushback after this
happened.

So Jade apparently had to be
like, no, no, no, Vanity Fair

put in that example of Jodie
Foster, and this is going to

jeopardize the close friendship
that we have with the Fosters.

And there was a phone call made
and it was all strained out and

everyone’s friends again, just
like, Oh my God.

Like I’ve never heard of Drew
being friends with Jodie

Foster’s mom.
No, her like, I don’t know that

that’s even true, but I could
see Jade.

Funny that there’s a follow up,
yeah?

Can’t you see her being savvy
enough to be like, oh shit, I

don’t want yeah, it sound like
I’m making enemies here.

Totally.
And I guess Steven Spielberg

agrees that Drew shouldn’t take
acting lessons.

You totally flagged this part,
it says.

Rumors abound that almost
billionaire bachelor Spielberg

is waiting for his leading lady
to grow up so he can propose.

So inappropriate.
Actual fuck I I must have read

that like 3 times like is this
saying what I think?

Hi.
Steven, I love you.

How dare you turn that into
something so gross.

And like, there is this other
article I recently found from

the same year, 84.
She’s a nine year old.

And the male writer framed the
whole thing as if they were on a

date and he had such a crush on
her and she was letting him

down.
And it’s so just like,

disgusting that this was like,
why are we even putting this on

a 9 year old in any way, shape
or form?

And then I think about like, the
People magazine slipping from

the following year that it’s
like, oh, she’s dating both of

Sophia Loren’s sons.
It’s like, she’s 10, what are we

doing?
There’s a problem here.

Anyway, I’m sure it’s not just
her.

You know, it’s like, no, no, no.
It’s like it was.

There’s a there’s a weird
comment about Brooke Shields in

a minute here, right?
Yeah.

It’s just like, I’m so glad that
this doesn’t seem to happen so

flagrantly anymore.
Right, it’s just so.

Fucking weird.
Yes, a CEO of a major studio is

quoted as saying.
She will be bigger than Tatum

O’Neill and better than Meryl
Streep.

God again, the president just.
Yeah, and you noted that the

quote was misattributed to
Steven Spielberg in some

research that you did.
Yeah, I was like, wait, I just

read that quote.
It’s not Steven, and I think

it’s the way it’s in the article
almost like flows.

It almost seems like it was
confusing at first.

Totally.
And then it says the CEO was

trying to get drew into a three
picture $5,000,000 deal.

Oh my gosh, yeah. 1984 like.
Yeah, you’re right, $5 million

back then.
Yeah, now it’s like 2 houses.

So then there are these, like I
said, these really weird and

pretty mean comparisons to
Brooke Shields.

I’m not going to read them
because I was like, this is so,

like, disrespectful to Brooke
Shields.

Yeah, but, yeah, very rude.
And then it says Barrymore is a

born and bred Tinseltown queen
with a mind sharp enough to run

an international cartel founded
upon her image.

It’s like, OK, can’t argue with
that, Barrymore Brands.

Totally Speaking of very more
brands.

Nobody love this.
It says that at the time, there

were plans to license a
fragrance called Drew, along

with the line of dresses and
maybe a doll.

Like, Can you imagine?
That would be so cool.

All of those things would be so
cool to see so.

Cool.
But also, like, I’m glad for the

child of Drew that this did not
happen.

Like, right.
It’s already weird enough that

she, like, had her face on all
this, like ET memorabilia that

like, I’m sure she made no money
off of.

There was definitely a part in
that child star documentary that

Demi Lovato did where that came
up, like the licensing of your

image.
Maybe it.

Yeah, it might have been with
JoJo Siwa, but it’s strange.

Like this could have definitely
happened and the collector in me

is like, wow, think about how
cool that would have been to

have those pieces.
But I’m.

Not thinking about more pressure
being on Drew and more like you

know she was already teased at
school and they’re let alone

having like a doll of you.
Oh my God, great .0 Gosh.

Now, let’s talk about
Firestarter a little bit.

It was released in May of 1984,
so literally about to come out.

It says that Drew, when she saw
the paper back in the

supermarket, she told her mom to
get her the part, like insisted

there’s a couple like, versions
of the story.

Another source said that when
she saw the book, she said,

that’s me, I’m Charlie McGee,
which is cute.

Yeah.
And then in Little Girl Law, she

says that the script, when the
script thing came through, that

she liked it immediately.
So it seems more likely, like, I

could see her.
I could see her remembering

seeing the Firestarter paperback
and, like, left in the cover.

But I don’t think she told her
mom.

Like, let’s get this going.
Let’s tell Hollywood we’re

making this movie, right?
Yeah, So she demonstrates for

the writer her technique of eye
acting that she used to convey

that she was starting fires with
her mind.

And I love this, it says.
Basically, this boils down to

the same demonic stare that John
and Ethel used to transfix

audiences.
I love that too.

And the writer claims that Betty
Davis borrowed this technique

from Ethel, but I wasn’t able to
find anything to back that.

Interesting.
I know and they just.

Pulled that out of their butt.
Or is that true?

I mean, I love to think that
it’s true.

I mean, you know, I like that
idea.

The 80s like predates the
Internet.

A lot of the stuff that could
have been said back then maybe

didn’t get transcribed
somewhere.

Yeah.
So the author meets up with Jade

and Drew at Drew’s Saturday
morning Jazz rock tap class.

So cute.
And Anthony Newley’s daughter

Shelby is also in the class with
her.

You made a note.
This is a famous actor,

composer.
I didn’t know that.

But then he’s also.
This is like, it’s just like

more of the weird stuff in the
house, more of the.

Weird way she was treated as a
child because I was like God

when I googled him I’m like he
looks so familiar.

Is he this guy?
Is he so I look it up.

He is.
So we had talked about this an

episode a long time ago, but
there is this weird like Screen

Actors Guild anniversary special
in the same year as this 84.

And she does this like song and
dance with this guy.

And of course it’s one of these
examples again with an old dude

kissing her face and being weird
with her face.

And I just hate it.
Even this picture here, he’s

kissing her hand.
Like why?

Like maybe they knew each other
because of this dance class

connection, but I just, I just
don’t like it.

I don’t like it gives you the
the.

Creeps, yeah.
Drew was wearing a black leotard

and a red mini skirt and dances
to footloose at her dance.

Class so 80s so 80s.
And then it says they went to

the Beverly Center and Drew goes
shopping at the Sanrio store and

gets a pale pastel Hello Kitty
wallet and some stationery.

And then they followed that up
with a snack and some soda at

the Hard Rock Cafe.
Again, the 80s continue.

What an afternoon I.
Know it’s so fun so this is kind

of wild.
This is the articles first and

only direct quote from Drew
Yeah, which I was like what like

I finished the article and then
I was like wait, there are no

other quotes directly from her
which right it’s very weird but

a little bit OK so the quote is
first let me tell you that I

will always act in movies and be
the best actress that I can and

then it says that she’s speaking
in like an imitation of her

mother’s style of manager speak
so very interesting and then she

goes on and says when I grow up
I’m going to get 2° one each in

producing and directing and I
also want to be known as a

dancer.
I’m writing a screenplay called

Kim.
It’s a serious comedy about a

little girl and her mother.
I can’t tell you what it’s about

that’s a secret, but I’m going
to play the mother full of

ideas.
I love it.

I want to be an actress.
I know a series, a writer, an

actress.
Yeah.

Also, it’s very interesting and
telling that she’s writing a

screenplay about a little girl
and her mother.

You know, it’s like, I feel like
she would say this is her karma

in life, right?
Like working through daughters

and mothers.
It’s like it started all the way

back here.
She.

Was writing a screen.
That’s adorable.

Oh my God.
Drew signed some autographs and

plays video games while the
writer talks to Jade about

Drew’s career plans.
So we get a little bit into, of

course, there’s plans with
manager mom.

Irreconcilable Differences was
to be released in September, so

that was coming up at
Firestarter.

Reconcilable Differences and
Jade said Drew really wants to

remake wants to do a remake of
Captain Courageous, which Lionel

and Spencer Tracy appeared in
with her in the Little Boys

role.
Yeah, not like I immediately was

like, oh, she’s definitely
talked about that movie.

And I just did a search in our,
like, archives and I found so

many articles where she brought
it up as loving it.

So that’s pretty cool.
And I was also just thinking

like how she played a little boy
in Suddenly Love.

Yeah, she’s like, really want to
stretch my skills.

Yep, Yep, as a child.
So I’m going to take this

because I’m like very familiar
with this.

So Jaden also mentions that Drew
was scheduled to shoot Alice in

Wonderland in England in the
fall.

So this was the 1985 TV movie.
It’s a two-part miniseries kind

of thing produced by Irwin
Allen.

I don’t know if you’re familiar
with it.

I watched this all the time
growing up.

I love it.
It’s you’ll see it on Instagram

a lot in clips because it’s so
wacky, creepy, weird.

And like, I those things didn’t
bother me as a child for some

reason.
Yeah.

But it’s like very much a part
of my childhood.

And I’ve talked about it before
on here because I’m always like,

oh, if Drew had done it, like,
my interest in her would have

come about so much earlier, you
know?

Yeah.
So.

Weird to think about.
And the part of Ellis was recast

with Natalie Gregory, and she is
only a few months younger than

Drew.
But the Irwin Allen, the

producer, he was quoted a couple
times back then as saying that

he had, you know, Drew was the
first part, first choice for the

part, but she had turned into a
young lady and was just really

too big.
It’s just like, and he also

said, like it was important to
me that Alice be played by a

youngster not more than 8 or 9.
And of course, Drew was like

barely 10.
So I mean, I wouldn’t pulled a

picture when production actually
began, which was March 85.

And she does look quite a bit
older here than she had the

previous year.
So I see like maybe where

they’re coming from.
But it also just like kind of

breaks my heart because this is
like, I mean, she just talked

about this at being this age, 10
years old and hearing like

you’re too heavy, you’re too
old, you’re not cute enough

anymore.
And it’s like, this is probably

one of those examples where she
got like fired from a job

because of it.
It’s.

Crazy.
Yeah.

Like you’re too old now.
Yeah, you’re too big.

What do they call it?
Your old, old hat.

Is that what they say?
Yeah, Drew.

‘S an old hat.
She wants an old chair, but

she’s an old hat.
And this is like months after

this article that’s talking
about how she’s the biggest

superstar in the world.
You know, it’s like.

God, not immune to.
It’s so fickle.

Yeah, that would have been so
cool she had done that.

But yeah, that’s such like,
again, her life would have been

totally different.
Yeah.

Next we had to their brand new 2
bedroom house with a pool and

sauna in Sherman Oaks.
We shared in our Wildflower

Chapter 1 episode on Patreon
that this house is on Ethel Ave.

It was purchased in March 1984.
So like.

Just purchased.
Just purchased, yeah.

Like brand brand new.
But you should listen to the

episode because we have some
more kind of fun details about

the purchase and the sale of the
house that, like Ashley, did

some detective work to figure
out.

Yeah, I wrote eyebrow raising
because they are sort of

interesting in details.
So again, guys, Patreon is where

you get the real dirt.
Yes, yes.

Jade gushes about Drew.
She says.

Steven Spielberg once told me
that my daughter is an old soul

and I have to agree with him.
One minute Drew is a playful 9

year old talking to her dolls
and stuffed animals, and the

next she’s 29 or an old woman of

I mean, this is one of the
things she was talking about

with Lena Dunham, where I was
like, Yep, this is what we

always say.
Like she’s like, she says like,

I’m old, young.
Like I’ve never felt like an age

that makes sense.
And it’s true.

It’s true.
It doesn’t make sense.

Drew confirms that that was her
idea to act and her mom did not

push her into it.
That’s always the narrative that

she was like, I want to do it.
I want to be an actress.

Go take a nap.
Take a nappy.

There’s a little paragraph about
Drew’s dad.

He’s called a recluse living in
the Hollywood Hills and a couple

fuzzy details about their
marriage, quote UN quote.

It’s still kind of unclear.
I get we’ve seen some records,

but it’s still really weird.
Yeah.

I mean, the records we’ve seen,
we’ve mentioned this before, it

looks like they did not actually
get married until 1983, which

makes zero sense.
And one day maybe we’ll get to

the bottom of it.
But it’s a wild thing to know.

Totally.
And Jade, one more thing that I

feel like is also like the
pressure, right?

She said.
I knew when I was pregnant with

Drew that she was magic.
I mean, she is, but.

It’s true.
She’s also.

So we get just one final
paragraph that sums up what

Drews sort of normal life is
like.

So she takes 2 ballet classes
and a karate class during the

school week.
She likes shopping on Saturdays

and visiting Steven Spielberg’s
Malibu beach house on Sundays,

which is so fun.
That came up in our last

episode.
And she loves to do imitations

for her friends, including
Charlie Chaplin, Judy Garland,

Cyndi Lauper and Faye Dunaway as
Joan Crawford.

And she apparently goes on to do
the no more wire hanger scene

from Mommy Dearest for the
writer.

We know Drew loves this.
We know she did it on SNL in

So it’s just like her thing.

Yeah.
All right.

So this is this the very end.
This is the very end of the

article, it says.
Unconsciously, she slips the

right tone of smug 1980s camp
humor into the punchline, as

though she were performing at a
comedy club on Saturday Night

Live or in the movie that plays
uncontrollably 24 hours a day in

her head.
That just made me think of that,

like, was it Cafe Largo where
she comes and does like this?

Funny.
Little Yeah, I think it was.

Like a stand up comedy act about
her family and and we’re like

blown away by how funny it was.
Yes, that was really funny.

Was it like 919289?
Was it really?

Yeah, yeah.
It’s crazy.

She’s so young.
So funny.

She definitely had some amazing
skills and talent as a child,

but like, just this, like she is
the next coming is just so

crazy.
And then it’s like, you know,

almost immediately her career
starts kind of downsliding.

And oh true, you are so
resilient and amazing.

Totally, and I feel like I want
us to do more older articles.

This is making me want to like
kind of, I don’t know, see how

that narrative changes.
I mean, obviously if we go to

anything that’s like closer to
like think like, I don’t know,

her having issues, those get
interesting in different ways.

Yeah.
You know, I’ve been doing not

only transcribing like the
physical articles that we own in

our collection, but also like
going on to newspapers.com and

doing searches.
And like, I mean, I just found a

very interesting one that I
texted to you from 86 where

she’s saying, like, I would
never do drugs.

And my friends and I like to act
younger than we are.

And it’s just like, you know,
just kind of kind of

heartbreaking.
But yeah, there’s, there’s just

so much.
What a life to track.

That’s why we do this.
Totally.

And also, I was just thinking
about, like, we were just

talking about how she’s like a
ham.

Like, I forget why.
We were talking about, like, her

as a little girl, like coming in
the room and like, yeah, you

know, dancing around.
And I’m like her doing like

these impressions, like Charlie
Chaplin, you know, all these

things.
It’s just just like everybody,

like I just want everyone to be
happy.

Yeah, I want everyone to adore
me.

And yeah.
No pressure.

No, I know all little Drew.
Yeah, this is a fun like little

departure for us, although like
I said it when it pairs.

Well, with I know.
The previous episode.

It always ends up happening,
right?

Yeah.
I mean, I’m sure it’s like,

because we have a natural like
our interest sort of like, like

weave and, you know, back and
forth and yeah, going back to

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It’s been a while.
What’s the last piece of fruit

you ate?
You know I’m laughing because

they’re always about food,
right?

I forgot because it’s been so
long.

I bet you can guess.
Do you want to guess?

Is it an apple?
Yep, a Granny Smith apple do you

have?
An apple every day.

Pretty much.
That’s adorable.

What about you?
I feel like the last piece of

fruit I ate was in a smoothie.
I made a smoothie yesterday that

had mango, strawberry and
banana.

Oh yeah.
But I don’t need enough fruit.

Yeah, I really I could always
use a little more too in my

life.
We have main blueberries in the

freezer right now, which makes
me think of you.

But also, I think my blueberries
right now are from like Peru or

something.
Like what the hell?

I need to like go back to the
store and be like here are my

local blueberries.
Like my local store, like.

They literally really like get
it from a local farm at a

certain time before and it’s in
like a different kind of

container.
That’s so cool.

You have main blueberries and I
don’t what the heck.

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This week, we are discussing
Drew’s longtime, really sweet,

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Yes.
Biggie.

And actually I like how in our
intro we were saying personal

life and professional career.
This is like exactly where those

things cross.
Yes, the Venn diagram Steven

Spielberg is right there in the
middle.

Yes, exactly.
So we have a lot of like

assorted things at the top, like
a an exciting intro.

We get into things.
So let’s jump into a couple

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Yes, exactly.
I did want to say a little hello

to our newest Patreon member.
So she is at the $5 level and

we’re kind of playing around
with the idea of calling

everyone on the Patreon our
daisies.

What do you guys think?
I think it’s.

Really.
I was thinking like Howdy’s for

a second but I’m like no that
sounds way too western.

The Howdy doodies.
The Howdy doodies.

So, our new Daisy.
Yes, back to what I was saying,

our new Daisy, Tina Lee, thank
you so much for joining us.

And Tina, if we hear back from
you with an address, we’re going

to be sending you a nice big
package of Drew goodies.

We actually just sent a second
package to one of our biggest

supporters over there, Scott,
and he just got it yesterday and

was excited.
So we’ll keep sending them to

you guys if you stay at that $5
level because we have so many

extras that we can send your way
duplicate things that so many

space and we’d rather share them
with you guys.

Yes, I’ve got just like piles
and piles.

Piles.
Of double S, as I call them.

Yeah, magazines.
Like I probably have a tub of

full magazines.
Wow, that’s a funny I want to

share this.
With we want to share this with

people.
Yeah, we need to send some of

those out.
Also on our Patreon, just as a

little heads up, our newest
exclusive episode over there,

which covers the Joshua Tree
chapter of Drew’s book

Wildflower, and it’s all about
Drew’s relationship with her

biological dad.
Very like, interesting.

I didn’t realize we synchronized
these two episodes.

I didn’t either, Ashley.
So funny, we should have saved

these all for Father’s Day.
Anyway, that is out now, and

there’s also a corresponding
gallery of some rare photos,

photos that relate to the
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So get on over there.
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Yes, so thank you, Tina for
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not a Daisy go over to our
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Patreon.com/howdoyoudrew
sorry, I know you just

heard that.
Actually, I’m not apologizing.

You never get too much of the
Jingle that we didn’t create

intentionally.
It was just us being goofballs

and it just worked.
It worked, guys.

OK, so I feel like this just
happened.

Was it our last episode that we
were talking about the last one?

So yes.
Ashley was able to spot another

one of the gifts that we gave to
Drew in her home that’s

currently for sale.
So there were some more pictures

released by a real estate agent
or something and.

Yeah, this one is.
So this one’s especially

exciting and validating to me.
So this was also on the home, on

the wall of her home in Los
Angeles or former home person

Terrace.
We have a whole episode about

that if you guys want to hear.
So this picture was also on the

wall there.
Yeah, but this one’s really

special because we did not give
this to her in person.

Do you remember that?
Is this one of the ones we like

handed off to someone at her
desk?

Not even.
We mailed this one and Chris

Miller made sure it got to her
and like, it’s just extra.

Like, hell yeah.
Like we didn’t even get to like,

be sure she received it and it’s
just like double.

But we should describe it.
OK.

Yes, Yeah.
So.

I’ll, I’ll describe it a little
bit because I’m the one who like

kind of put it together.
So I’ve gotten this magazine,

it’s from like the 1930s or
something that has a basically

Barrymore family tree, like a
Drew and Barrymore family tree.

Literally, says Drew Dash
Barrymore, which is just so cool

because it is the Drews and the
Barrymore.

And this is like 40 something
years before Drew was born

there.
So this is her family’s like

it’s literally like a family
tree that has like several

generations.
It’s really cool.

So I like scanned it, copied it
like got a print of them side by

side because it was like a
magazine and I still have that

that’s.
Right.

Yeah, And, and I framed it when
I was still working at

Michael’s.
I recognized the frame.

I remember doing it like after
you said we shipped it.

I’m like, oh I remember
packaging this actually.

Too, I was with you for some
reason.

We were together when we did it
and I was like reading our like

card that we wrote to her.
So not only was it for her

birthday, but she just won the
Golden Globe in 2010.

So we also, like, referenced
like her recent accolades and

how we were so proud and yeah,
it’s really neat.

So now I’m like extra like, oh,
like, and this was her 35th

birthday and the other one was
from our 50th.

So it’s just crazy.
It’s cool that we’ve like been

doing this for a while until
like, and we love the idea that

she’s able to appreciate
something that we gifted to her

in her like home space.
It’s like it’s really special

that we want things to touch her
in that way.

Yeah, so once again, we already
like gushed about a last episode

with the other one, but this is
just freaking cool you.

Guys, we’ll never get over it.
It’s it’s so neat.

Like Drew, we love you.
The last little thing I just

wanted to say, and the audio
wasn’t very good cuz she’s like

hugging an audience member when
this happens.

OK.
But there was an audience member

who told Drew that she was a
light in this world.

And as Drew was hugging her, she
said, if I’m light, then I’m

probably just a reflection of
you.

That is such a drew.
Thing to say, I mean, and we

just love the drinking game of,
you know, take a drink every

time someone just says that
Drew’s a light.

So that one was just like, I
just, I don’t know, take take

like extra drinks.
She’s always reflecting off

people and she loves being
there, loves being around

people.
Drew is like a light demon.

I guess.
Something like that, something

like that.
Let’s get to a lighter subject.

Tell me some things that Drew
has proclaimed her love for

recently.
I love, love.

It’s funny how these go in
waves.

Like last week we had three.
This time there’s a whole shit

load.
So here we go.

I love it, Drew.
Loves organization.

She loves black beans.
We do too.

Yeah, I knew we were both going
to be into that way.

She loves chores.
That’s cute.

She loves cleanliness that goes
right hand in hand.

Yep, she loves 711, which I
think is fun because I

definitely remember some article
from the early 90s her talking

about like playing pinball at

Oh, that’s funny.
Yeah, pinball machine.

OK, so she also loves bell
Peppers.

I can I go back and forth on
bell Peppers?

She’s like, eat it like an
apple, which is crazy.

They I can’t do that.
But I do like them cooked.

OK?
Drew loves competing.

She loves Capricorns.
Hey, what’s up?

I I actually had to write down
what she said.

She said they’re good people.
I’m like, thanks, Drew, I know

you’re talking about me.
She loves Jamaica.

OK, she loves carrots.
Cottage cheese with pepper.

I haven’t tried that but I’m
intrigued.

She loves deviled eggs.
Double no thanks.

I love them both.
She loves mint.

Now I’m back on board.
And she loves the back roads.

Cute.
Isn’t you talking about like Rd.

trips in that?
Yeah, not taking like the

highways and the freeways, yeah.
That’s fun.

OK, we’ve got a Drewism for the
week.

Tell me all about that.
You know, those cool little isms

that we do OK, this.
I just thought this was really

cute.
It’s not as like gross or like,

as, you know, doesn’t put a
picture in your mind and quite

the same way.
But I thought it was cute.

So she was eating Demi Lovato
spicy pasta and she said,

there’s a tiny dancer on my
tongue right now.

And her name is Pepper.
And I think that puts an image

in your mind.
OK, OK.

Yeah, it does.
Like I’m, you know, I had to

like, picture a tiny dancer on
my tongue.

Like the dancing emoji in the
red dress?

It’s like woo.
Exactly.

That’s Pepper from now on.
It’s Pepper.

Yes, that’s that’s the name of
that emoji.

Officially, we should let Apple
know or you know, whoever’s in

charge of that.
Let’s go back in time and you

can tell me about this week and
drew history.

OK, this is kind of one of those
funny ones where I’m like, it’s

very recent, even though it’s
not, but I had a reason for

picking this because it’s kind
of cool.

So this is April 14th, 2011.
Drew attended the Mocha, their

artist opening of the exhibit
Art in the Streets, which was at

the museum’s Geffen Contemporary
location in downtown LA.

Remember that for a second?
Yes.

So this was cool because she
debuted her brain brand new dark

red hair just the night before
at a different event.

So it’s like this is like a
brand new hair color and she’s

being photographed 2 days in a
row like we were living the

dream back then.
Yeah, it looks so great.

It’s such a great color on her.
And she just looks freaking

cool.
I was just going to say the

whole look is really great.
Yeah, she was just like in AI.

Don’t know how to describe it.
Just kind of this like rocker

vibe look.
Like, she’s got, like, looks

like a long earring.
That’s a feather maybe.

Yeah.
Like, oh.

I definitely had one like that
too that I caught.

The like bag with the tassels.
I’m not even like I I love like

the simplicity of the outfit.
And then there’s just like great

accessories like.
Yeah.

And her jeans are kind of like
tie dyed.

It’s interesting.
It’s definitely like not the

style that we normally associate
with this time period because

she’s here.
She looks.

Cool.
Yeah, she looks so cool.

And she’s here with her new
boyfriend, Will Kopelman.

So this is obviously before
where they got married and.

Before they had children.
Only been dating for a couple

months and we usually think of
her as like trying to be very

Chanel sophisticated.
Yeah, during that relationship,

But at this time, she still
looks like a little badass.

Another notable thing is that
she was pictured there with the

artist Shepard Fairey, and I
have a feeling they were already

in talks and collaborating
because he would go on to design

the Barrymore Wines label when
it debuted the following year.

And that’s that really cool.
Like, he took, like, the

Barrymore family Crest and,
like, made it into something.

Yeah, his style for the label.
It’s a great, it was a great

label.
I have it still on my like wine

holder, like right inside my
front door and I see it every

day and I just, I love it.
I love how it looks.

Never going to open that one.
That’s so cool.

We’re so lucky that we like had
that.

Like that was part of our like
collecting experience too.

Another really cool thing that
happened to this.

Yeah.
And of course that we, I love

that connection.
I’m sure that’s why you’re like,

this is so cool.
There’s so many like, little

things that come out of these
Drew histories, right?

Yeah, well, there’s one more.
So like I said, remember the

location because two years after
this, she collaborated with the

Mocha and showed her photographs
at an event at this location and

we were there.
She wasn’t.

She was super pregnant.
She was super pregnant.

We, I think she was like, maybe
gonna possibly be there.

Yeah.
And Chris Miller came and he

told us that she had just filmed
the Essentials for TCM and like

she was too tired or it was just
too much.

So it was like a little bit of a
like let down that she wasn’t

there, but it was still so cool.
We got it was neat and her

photos like they were projected.
Right.

Do we have those on our website
somewhere?

Yeah, on our photography page.
So if you guys want to check

that out, it’s just the
drewzium.com/photography.

And Anne, luckily, like, stood
there and got a picture of every

single one.
I think there’s a great one of

her dad.
Maybe there is.

Holy shit I forgot about that.
We totally should have included

that in our Joshua Tree
coverage.

Well, it’s not too late.
Maybe we’ll put the picture of

us with with Chris Miller at
that thing.

Yeah, in the episode.
Gallery.

Yeah, cuz why not?
Absolutely.

I think it was taken by his
partner at the time, right

David?
David yeah, like took some of

drew pictures.
I remember us seeing a Drew be

there too.
Misty.

Yeah, right.
Yeah.

OK.
It was, wasn’t it?

It was it.
Was this is going to be a very

short segment Before we get into
the weekly topic, tell me what’s

new with Drew?
Here we go with the news,

everybody.
How is there so little?

I’m like, this is it, This is
all I got.

OK, well, this is just like
speculation, but it kind of

looks like the final day of
filming for The Drew Barrymore

Show Season 6, maybe May 6th.
That’s the last date that’s

currently available for audience
tickets.

And there’s like a weird two
week gap between April 16th and

May 5th.
So I don’t know if they just

like quickly added two more days
to just like, finish things up.

I don’t know how all that works,
but we’re getting towards the

end and it’s been a weird
season.

Yeah, there’s definitely been
some things about it that we’ve

noticed that are different.
And I’m definitely looking

forward to seeing what Season 7
feels like.

Yes, I’m hoping that more of
Drew is in the Drew Barrymore

Show in the following seasons.
More Barrymore.

We like the others.
We do, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.
But I’m usually like, I’m in it

for Drew, so I’m going to the
episodes and I’m like a cooking

segment.
OK, I’m going to skip this

whole.
Part Yep.

Same.
Yep.

Sorry.
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Still love the show and I don’t

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OK.
So I think we’re ready to get

into the topic for the week,
Steven Spielberg.

Is such a nice one and like I, I
like this one for a lot of

reasons.
I, of course, the same old

story.
It’s like I’m a crazy repetitive

thing.
But like, I go, oh, this feels

like it’s going to be a lot of
work.

I don’t know if I want to do
this one.

And then I start going and then
it’s totally fine.

So I like that this is like kind
of one of those ones that I’ve

always been like, that feels
intimidating it, and now we’re

doing it.
That feels cool.

Yeah.
I also like that it sets the

record straight with one of my
pet peeves.

Yes.
One of the misconceptions about

Drew’s upbringing.
Yep, and it was just fun to put

this together.
Like I the the way I started was

I just went into our articles
folder of all the articles we

have transcribed.
Searched his name.

Yeah, he just searched his name
and that was like a really fun

way to do it.
And then that’s kind of how I

started.
We’re working really hard on

transcribing articles.
You guys, if you don’t know,

it’s like so useful when it
comes to doing research for

stuff like this.
If we have digital versions of

everything, yes.
So that’s a project I am

endlessly working on, but I’ve
done so many.

So you’ve done?
So many, like it’s so I haven’t

even like gone to the folder in
a while, but you’ll tell me

like, oh, I did a whole bunch,
like a whole bunch of them.

I have like another six I’m in
the middle of right now so yay

so cool.
I love that that’s happening.

Anyway, so the research
happened.

We’re here to talk about Drew’s
relationship with Steven

Spielberg.
I just thought of the Dee

Wallace talking about how Drew
would say Steven.

It always comes back to the
celebrity profile.

Always, always.
OK, so let’s make this thing

clear, right?
Drew did not know Steven

Spielberg before ET.
He wasn’t her godfather from

birth.
We’re going to explain this.

This is something I constantly
see out there in the Internet,

people being very self-righteous
about how she’s an nepo baby,

Steven Spielberg’s her
godfather.

That’s why she’s in ET.
And it’s like, Oh my God, that

is so far from the truth.
Tell us what her life was really

like.
Anne so.

Drew’s dad, as we talked about
in the episode in our Patreon,

and we’ve talked about a bunch
before, Drew’s dad was almost

completely out of the picture by
the time that she met Steven

Spielberg, and she didn’t have a
normal parent child relationship

with her mom, so she had very
complicated relationship with

her parents.
We’ve talked about this a lot.

She likes to call herself an
orphan for a reason.

Yes.
In 1981, she met Stephen while

auditioning for Poltergeist.
This is like a story that has

been told many times.
Stephen thought that she wasn’t

right for the part.
He said that she had too much

personality to totally see that
come on and but he it was

suggested that she auditioned
for ET.

He said that she had the quote
pluck and cuteness UN quote he

was looking for in the part of
greedy.

Accurate.
Yeah, So she came back several

times to audition for ET and she
was just so happy to, like, be

coming in there and have a grown
up who would listen to her talk,

which is just, I mean, just that
right there tells you a lot

about where, you know what,
where she was in life and how

she was feeling incredibly
lonely.

She did not have any stability
or parents.

And now here’s this adult man
who is showing up for her and

wants to talk to her and hear
what she has to say.

So sweet.
It’s so sweet.

Steven said that Drew made-up,
like made-up a stories the best

of anyone.
She’s wonderfully funny and

spontaneous.
And she just melted me.

He said.
And we love the story, of

course, that during one of those
auditions, Drew told him that

she was the drummer of a rock
band called the Purple People

Eaters and they were going on
tour.

So back again.
I know that this is in the

celebrity profile.
This is a really cool little

clip of Steven just kind of
talking about how Drew got the

part.
Well, Drew, you know, I’ve met a

lot of Gertie’s.
But when Drew came in, she had

the part the minute she stepped
into the room because she began

to make up these stories that
she was a punk rocker, She had a

punk rock band.
She was going on the road.

She was going to do a an entire,
She’s six years old.

She told me that she’s going to
do a 20 city tour in America

with her punk rock band.
And then she kept making up

stories and they got bigger and
bigger and bigger and and wilder

and wilder and she just blew me
away.

I mean, there was no, there was
no second choice.

I mean, Drew Barrymore was the
first choice for this part.

It’s funny how familiar this is.
Like you saw the profile, like

Oh my God, exactly like word
like word for word.

But he’s already going to say
anyway.

Very sweet like I love how he’s
describing it.

Really like gives you this image
of this precocious.

Kid Oh, it definitely like how
she described it in the past,

like she would just go into
auditions like a little

travelling salesman and just
like da da da put on a little

show.
She wanted attention so badly.

Like, anyway, that’s a whole
other story, yes?

So now let’s get into ET
filming.

Drew considers filming ET one of
the best times in her entire

life, and a huge part of that
was because of Steven Spielberg,

she said in her book Wildflower.
To say that we loved him is the

understatement of the world.
We didn’t love him because it

was our job.
We loved him because he was like

Peter Pan.
He believed in US and for the

first time in our lives, we
realized our potential through

him.
I have never had an experience

like it.
They would describe how he would

get down to their level.
And.

Talk to them like human beings
and not absolutely.

They were lower than him, so he
changed the game.

I mean this is such a fun little
story.

Like a couple weeks into
shooting and Drew pretty much

believes ET is real.
She like kind of understands but

she’s more on the side of
believing in him.

She noticed that there were men
operating him behind a wall so

she brought Stevens attention to
it.

And he said I didn’t want to
burst the bubble so I simply

said it’s OK.
ET is so special.

ET has 8 assistants and he like
would keep a couple of the

operators on hand so that ET
could react to Drew.

Like, during lunch and stuff,
she would sit and eat with him

and tell her secrets.
And it wasn’t just like, oh, the

machine’s off.
Like, you know, let’s go have

lunch.
Like, he kept ET real to her,

which I know is also to his
benefit for her performance in

the film.
But it’s also just so sweet.

It’s really sweet.
And there’s her imagination,

like, yeah, whether she actually
thought like this, this creature

was real.
Like, that’s so magical.

Oh, so Drew, this is this is
fun.

So Drew said that as long as I
knew my line, Steven let me do

what I wanted.
And Steven described her as 7

going on 29.
Like, just like she was just

like kind of an adult mentality.
Yeah.

At six years old, he said.
At six years old, Drew

fearlessly looked me in the eye
and told me she thought she had

a better way of doing a scene in
ET.

I did see something recently
where she was talking about how

she’s like, what the hell was I
doing?

Like coming in and improvising.
Like who did I think I was?

Like I was so bold.
Wasn’t that something in the

like scene at the beginning
where they’re at the dinner

table?
Wasn’t something improv there?

Oh, probably alligators in the
sewers, something like that,

yeah.
Alligators in the sewers.

OK, so one more quote kind of in
the same vein.

She was a producer at six years
old.

She came on board ET with a lot
of ideas of how the story should

be told.
Drew did nothing but offer one

good idea after another.
The little producer in her so

cute like.
So because of this, they really

started to form what I mean,
it’s like a paternal

relationship.
You know, she doesn’t have any

sort of father figure
whatsoever.

And now she’s got this man who
is really caring about her.

And I mean, let’s play this
little clip.

Yeah, to kind of show the
affection, just do this.

Like her voice.
Yeah, yeah.

Can I say hi to Steven?
Sure.

You want to say hi to Steven?
Yeah.

Sure.
Hi, Steven.

I love.
You.

That is so sweet.
Melts you.

So she asked him if he could be
her dad, and he said no because

you know, he couldn’t.
But then she was like, OK, could

you be my godfather?
Drew says in Wildflower.

Much to my relief, I had become
so close with Steven that he

accepted my wish, conveyed by my
mother, to have him be like a

godfather to me.
So there you guys go.

All you people out there who
think it was something else, she

continues.
He stepped up to the plate he

took me in.
A girl who needed a father and

it meant the world to me.
And he was such a good father

figure too.
Consistent, caring, strict,

wholesome, nurturing.
Everything she needed.

Totally.
Everything.

She was.
So lacking my.

God so much.
It’s such a like, you know she

needed.
That.

Yeah, she’s also said that he is
the only person in her life to

this day who was ever a parental
figure to her.

And she also has said that he’s
the first person in her life who

she knew cared.
I know.

Just breaks your heart.
It does.

She stayed with Steven on the
weekends and described it as the

safest place and time that I
knew in Wildflower.

He gave her a cat that she named
Gertie, a Pac-Man arcade game,

and he took her to Disneyland,
Knott’s Berry Farm and the

London Zoo, just to name a few
things that we’re aware of like

there’s.
Some of there’s.

More, we also know that she
would visit him on the sets of

his movies like Raiders of the
Lost Ark and The Color Purple,

so continued to be a part of his
life and that’s neat, but she

got to like see the behind the
scenes of those things.

He also came to her first
Saturday Night Live hosting

appearance in November of 1982
and brought Robin Williams.

With him.
So cool.

Didn’t you describe being, like,
really nervous about having,

like, Robin Williams?
Yeah.

Yeah, and here’s a cute little
audio of her talking in 1984

about him.
Are you still such good friends?

Yes.
We love each other.

I go over to his house and we we
play games and we see each other

a lot and we’re still best
friends.

Oh.
Best.

Friends.
In 2025, she said, Steven was

like a dad.
I was getting an opportunity to

meet a safe male who I looked up
to and admired so much.

He was very parental with me.
He felt very protective of me

and I felt that from him and it
felt so good to get that care.

I know, and Steven has been
quoted as saying about this time

she was staying up way past her
bedtime, going to places she

should have only been hearing
about and living a life at that

very tender age that I think
robbed her of her childhood.

Yet I felt very helpless because
I wasn’t her dad.

I could only kind of be a
consiglieri to her.

So he just did what he could,
right?

He couldn’t adopt her.
Yeah, take her away from Jade

completely, but yeah.
And it’s funny, I was just

talking about consiglieres
because it’s a thing in the mob.

So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can
say is kind of like the right

hand man to the boss.
So I get and someone and someone

who, which I like this
description cuz he’s basically

like, I’m not going to go to
her.

She has to come to me and ask
for my advice.

Like it’s not kind of like like
a consigliere, I don’t think

gives unsolicited advice.
I don’t know, like that’s kind

of, I’m not sure there’s a power
dynamic there, though.

OK, that’s like that.
He’s.

Acknowledging, I don’t know,
it’s interesting.

It’s an interesting way to to
look at it, but it describes

kind of he couldn’t just like
burst into her life.

Yeah.
I don’t know, but she grows up

right and she continues to have
a relationship with him.

When she wanted to get her ears
pierced, Steven made her promise

to wait until she was 10 and
said he’d buy her a bunch of

earrings.
He was stuck on set on her 10th

birthday, so his then wife, Amy
Irving took Drew and she said it

was the best day of my life and
I was so glad I’d waited.

I had a deal with him and I was
never going to break it.

She’s so cute and then this last
detail is so great.

Drew made the same deal with her
daughter Olive.

And like really did it.
I remember like there were

pictures of her on her 10th
birthday getting her ears

spirits or something so cute.
And I also like what a simple

little boundary to place.
And she was like, ready for it,

Like, Yep, I’m going to, I’m
going to follow that promise

that I made and I’ll follow that
rule and.

I’ll smoke cigarettes and drink
you.

Didn’t say anything about that,
but.

I won’t get my ears pierced.
We always, you know, we loved

her.
We also like to bust her balls

and she would laugh.
She would laugh too.

We know she would, yes.
So as Drew got a little bit

older, Steven had his first son
Max, and Drew would babysit him.

But Steven always told her that
she was his true first born

child, and he’s also called her
his training wheels for

fatherhood.
So sweet.

Yeah.
And then we get to like, you

know, Drew’s troubled years, for
lack of a better term.

One thing that Steven has said
about that was I really think

she wouldn’t be the amazing
person she is today were it not

for these tricky years.
I always told Drew to find the

people she trusts the most and
stick to them like glue.

And on just like a little side
note of that is that in a

totally separate article years
before, Drew had said that

Steven is one of the only people
who made her actually believe

that there were trustworthy
people out there.

So so I kind of love that he’s
like, find the people you trust

and don’t get rid of him.
She’s like, cool, it’s you.

He’s like pointing at himself.
Yeah, yeah, I’m.

Trustworthy.
Oh I love that sentiment because

I feel like she does stick to
people like Lou.

Absolutely.
We just wanted to cling to us a

little bit.
Is that creepy?

I think it’s a little creepy
maybe not you guys.

You guys want Drew to cling to
you, don’t you?

I mean, I think we maybe all do.
So during Drew’s troubled years,

she said she really didn’t want
to see Steven because she felt

shame about her, quote, bad
behavior, UN quote, which like,

makes sense.
She didn’t wasn’t ready for the

judgement, I guess, right?
But she did say that one of the

best things that Steven taught
her was that your parents should

hold you accountable when you’re
messing up.

Yeah, which is, you know, makes
sense that she would be kind of

avoiding him because she knows.
He wants to be held accountable.

Yeah, yeah, yes, he is notably
absent from little girl lost

post ET.
That’s not it’s not like there’s

no discussion of him really at.
All yeah.

And it’s I’ve definitely it’s
interesting to imagine like what

was going on on his end of
things when you know, did he

even know she got put in ASAP
before it came out in the media?

Maybe, maybe not.
I mean.

Right.
Maybe she didn’t want him to

know, like it’d be.
So I would love to hear her talk

a little bit more about that.
But yeah, there’s kind of this

span where it’s like, is he even
in her life?

It’s hard to know.
There was a really cute photo

shoot, like an ET reunion photo
shoot.

Don’t even know what it was for.
It was, like, printed in foreign

magazines.
Yeah.

From either 88 or 89.
And she just looks so happy to

be with him.
He does.

You know, it’s like my dad.
Is a shoot that has like those

goofy like them on the bikes.
Yeah, exactly.

That’s so sweet.
I don’t think I’ve ever like,

really, like, looked at their
tenderness in this shoot and

like, thought about like the
distance between their like,

stronger relationship and yeah,
I don’t know, her being actually

grown up.
Well, that’s like kind of what

we’re going to get into here is
the sort of thing where as she

is growing up, she’s kind of
complaining a lot about how he

just like can’t accept it.
But then like as she gets a

little bit older, she sort of
loves it.

So here’s just a few quotes.
In 1991, she said, I know that

as old as I get, I’ll always be
the six year old Gertie in a lot

of people’s eyes, especially my
godfathers.

Yeah, he still sees me as
Gertie.

It’s funny when we go out
somewhere and friends of his

come up to us and they say, look
at her, do you see how grown up

she is?
But he can’t get over it, you

know?
So cute.

And this is like a long kind of
story quote, so we’re going to

break it up.
But I think it’s all fun because

there’s a lot of like, I don’t
know, a lot of details in.

Here this is like one of the
only times.

So this is from movie line 1992,
which is our most.

One of your most.
Juicy, interesting episodes ever

where she is more unfiltered
than ever in any article, and

this is like the only time that
she’s ever sort of shown that

she’s like, feeling very sad
about having distance from him.

Right.
So it’s it’s it’s what’s the

word I was going to use?
Profound in a way, right.

OK, so it starts.
She said I’ve only seen him

maybe three times and this is

So she said I’ve only seen him
maybe three times in the past

eight months.
Growing up, I practically I

practically lived at his beach
house.

He was the only person I
consider to be my father figure,

the only man that was ever close
to me the whole time I was

growing up.
Now that I’m older, we’re not as

close and it’s a hard pain I
have to deal with.

I’ve gotten older and it’s
incredibly hard for him to

accept basically what you just
said.

It’s like he’s having a hard
time not seeing her as gritty.

Yeah, and she’s like, so trying
so hard to not be this little

child star anymore.
Yes.

So then she continues and says I
walked into his office a couple

of months ago wearing red
lipstick and he made me take it

off right there.
On the one hand I’m like this is

my father, I can’t say no to
him.

On the other hand, I got really
angry and wanted to stand up

once and for all and say I have
grown up.

I wear red lips.
It’s my style.

So that she’s like torn at this
time.

I mean, this was probably done.
This interview was probably done

at the end of 91.
So she’s young.

She’s still 16.
And she is like, I want to be

seen as a like a woman, not as
this little girl anymore.

Yeah, like, literally.
And this last part is really

sweet.
And this kind of brings you to

like the part where you know
that it’s hard for her.

So she said.
I looked at his picture recently

on a magazine cover at the
newsstand and started crying

because it doesn’t feel like
he’s my father anymore.

And this is a man I would have
done anything for, who felt like

the one person I could really
depend on.

It’s hard because I love him so
much.

Her anguish, and this is the
author of the article, said her

anguish over the relationship is
palpable.

She takes minutes to regain her
composure.

So again, I would love to hear
her talk a little bit more about

this time because like if you
didn’t have that, you would

think like they were just always
close and he’s always been her

dad and blah, blah, blah.
But like, there was obviously

this time when she was an early
teen where, you know, it felt

challenging.
Yeah.

I mean, that’s hard, right?
Like you have a teenage

daughter.
I think teenage daughters are

hard.
There you go.

So, you know, they want their
space sometimes, yeah.

Oh, yeah, But as she a couple
years go by, so for her 18th

birthday, he gave her an Armani
suit and she cried with

happiness over that.
And like, again, could have been

like, maybe they hadn’t been
seeing each other much and he

had it sent to her and it was a
surprise to her.

I don’t know.
And then in again movie line one

of if you guys don’t know our
movie line series, they are full

of juicy info and the 1 from

I went to visit him at his
office and he gave me a copy of

the book Schindler’s List as a
present.

I told him how I had re
evaluated my life and was hoping

it gets easier.
He said it did get easier.

I listened to him, looked at
this little painting of clouds

and buildings that I made for
him when I was six years old

that he keeps framed on his
wall.

And I thought, Steven is
obviously one of the ultimate

people that I respect, yet he
will always look at me as a

young child.
There’s something so comforting

about that, that someone would
see someone else through such

pure eyes.
So now she’s kind of like, all

right, you are going to always
see me as a little kid.

But I love that.
But actually, that’s nice.

It’s nice to have somebody see
you in a way that is like frozen

in time.
I mean, I guess, like, it’s hard

to appreciate that when you’re a
team and somebody, like, wants

you to stay the same and not
change at all.

For Drew’s 20th birthday, Steven
sent a package to a restaurant

where she and her friends had
gathered.

In the package was a blanket and
a copy of the Playboy magazine

where Drew had recently posed On
the cover And the whole feature

there was a note and it said
here’s my version of you in

Playboy and a blanket to wrap
yourself in.

And in the magazine Steven’s, our
department had woven in, it’s

described its own computer
generated wardrobe to cover her

in every photo.
I really want to see this.

I know that’s one of those
things that we’re always like,

God, we wish we could see that.
Like, where is it?

What happened to it?
This.

Is 1995 so like yeah, how did
they do?

This and like how good is it?
Oh my God, I, I mean, I really

would love to know, like how
many hours were dedicated to

this incredible thing.
Oh my God.

And then Drew said I love that
because it’s funny and it’s

fatherly and it says something,
but it doesn’t make me feel bad.

Yeah, again, it’s like she’s
shifted her kind of perspective

on the whole thing.
I think like 4 years earlier she

would have been like mad about
it.

And at this point, she’s just
like, oh, I get it.

It’s so funny, yeah.
So obviously, many, many years

have gone by.
They are still super close.

She is still her quote UN quote,
dad in so many ways.

We’re just going to kind of talk
about, you know, the more recent

years.
So he did attend her 2012

wedding to Will Kopelman.
We don’t have any sort of

evidence that he went to her

is interesting.
Maybe he was busy, like, who

knows?
Right.

But he was at this one.
Unfortunately he did not walk

her down the aisle, which I feel
like should have been, but

instead she chose to have Will’s
dad walk her down the aisle and

I think she was just so feeling
like I love my in laws at this

time that that’s the choice.
I mean, not that this could be a

reason, but like, maybe she
didn’t if he if he if she asked

him if he was like, I don’t want
to like, have anyone be

distracted by.
That’s true.

I mean, it’s true, Barrymore.
But like, I wonder if there’s

part of it where he’s like, it’s
not about me.

Yeah.
Or like, I don’t know.

But it’s sweet.
It’s sweet that Will’s dad did.

It is and it’s funny like how
her last wedding ended up being

like the most traditional cuz
I’m like she, she doesn’t even

seem like the person that would
care about having someone walk

her down the aisle, right?
She’s not like being given away

by somebody, but like.
But Will’s family it makes.

Sense, Yeah, yeah.
Right, like it kinda was for

them.
Yeah, I think so too.

And he also held both of her
daughters when they were born,

like soon after.
I think she even told a story

once about Olive falling asleep
in his arms when she was a

newborn.
So they’re very like very

connect their family, you know,
the chosen family.

Yeah, Steven has been really
highly supportive of Drew’s

producing and directing, which
is so lovely to know that, like,

he can be into this professional
side of her.

And he said, listen, at some
point she’ll probably run a

studio and pull me out of
retirement and give me a good

script to direct in 2003.
He said this so quite some time

ago.
But I love that.

I love to think of like them
having something together on

that side.
She screamed a rough cut of whip

It for him and he gave her
notes.

And then he attended the
premiere in Los Angeles again.

Like so cool to like use this
basically family connection

That.
And also, he has said that he

loved the best coast music video
that she directed, and he said

he wants her to direct more
because he thinks that she’s a

really gifted director.
That’s what a dad would say.

That’s what a dad would say.
But also like one of the all

time directors saying that about
her.

Steven Spielberg saying this,
It’s not just any old.

Any old dad not.
Just any old dad?

Yeah, exactly.
And then he surprised her via

video call on her birthday
episode of The Drew Barrymore

Show in 2021.
This was like the first one that

they did where it was like all
these surprises.

That episode is so good.
If you guys want to check it

out.
I think the whole thing is on

YouTube, but let’s just play
this little part right here.

Oh.
Drew Face, I still care about

you.
I’ve always cared about you,

ever since that first time this
little blonde hurricane walked

into an audition in my office
and took us by storm, and then

soon took the entire world by
storm.

That was you then, and that is
you today.

Oh.
I know it’s such.

A cool little segment he also
shows and I know I bitched about

this one happened.
So he shows these framed photos

of her that he has and she’s
dressed as a nun and he says

that it was a week after he sent
her the covered up Playboy.

But that’s not true.
And I think drew just like

laughs along with it cuz she’s
not going to correct him on TV.

But the pictures are taken on
the set of writing cars with

boys.
So it would have been in the

year 2000.
And I don’t know why, like, if,

why she has a nun costume on the
set of that movie.

But somewhere along the line,
she must have thought this would

have been a funny thing.
And she framed three of them.

And the caption she wrote on
them say, I’m sorry, I’ve seen

the light, and I’m on my way.
And there’s, like, pictures of

her, like, praying next to a
statue of Mary and stuff like

that.
They’re really odd.

They were for sale on eBay at
one point, so we had all of them

saved.
Yeah.

Who knows why we didn’t buy
them.

And it’s just a really strange,
funny thing.

But I love that he has them
framed still in his office.

So funny.
It’s so funny.

So will we share those on the
episode page?

Probably, yeah.
Totally.

Yeah, they’re really neat,
really unique.

In 2023, Drew presented Steven
with the Time 100 Impact Award

alongside Ke Huy Quan.
When when Drew presented the

award, she said I can trace my
entire life back to a choice

made by one person.
He not only changed my life, but

I am so happy to be here to
honor him tonight, to thank him

for changing all of our lives.
So sweet.

Really so sweet.
And in 2025, they got together

at the TCM Classic Film
Festival, New York pop up to

discuss ET.
So they did like I, I sort of

think she was like moderating
the panel, if what I remember

correctly, the panel just being
him.

But one of the things that she
was quoted as saying that night

was we’re luckily close and
consistent.

It’s so important to maintain
those relationships that means

so much to you.
I’m always texting and bugging

you.
So that’s fun too.

It’s easier to keep in touch now
in some ways than ever.

And I love to show up.
You taught me so much about that

in my life, showing up for
people.

And he, he is like the OG of
showing up for Drew in her life.

He is the first one to do.
It yeah, this is an important

relationship and I know we’ve
been quotes galore, but this is

like, it’s great to have it
right from Drew’s mouth, right

from Steven’s mouth.
The relationship discussion.

OK, so one of the quotes to wrap
this up, Steven said I always

knew Drew was going to survive
whatever life handed her and

learn from it. 100% true, yes.
OK.

In 2023, Drew said that her
favorite thing in her dressing

room was a picture of her and
Steven Spielberg on the set of

ET, she said.
Not having a dad, not having

that kind of relationship with
anyone.

He was just so good and
nurturing and kind.

We still have a really wonderful
relationship.

I think him because had he not
chosen me, I think my life would

be really different.
It’s crazy when you can really

trace it back to someone.
I live to make him proud.

What a great way to sum it up.
Yeah, she would be so different

without him in her life.
Like, I mean, we have no idea.

I just that kind of role that he
filled for her as a young child,

like thank God, thank God he was
there, you know?

Like, thank God he he filled
that role, and thank God he put

her in a film that brought her
to be yeah, what she’s been

despite things that might have
been difficult about it.

But like, yeah, we’re here doing
this because of him in a way.

Yeah, that personal professional
life Veng diagram.

Thank you, Steven.
I love you.

I love you, Steven.
Steven.

This was really fun.
I’m glad we took the time to

examine this and share it.
How important and sweet it is.

We’re here to, like, fill in all
those sort of like, here’s this

reason that this girl is here
and means so much and like, you

can’t do that without talking
about him, right?

Totally.
Yeah, I’m glad that we finally

like found a reason to just
cover this.

Just cover this big thing that
is like peripheral.

To cover yourself up with your
blanket and your Playboy.

Exactly exactly.
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How Do You Drew Episode 127 – Q&A #5

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drew how do you

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Drew hello and welcome to how do you drew

this is a Drew Barrymore podcast brought

to you by thedrewseum.com and sponsored by

our friends at Positive Medium I’m Anne

and I’m Ashley and we are doing this doing this

oh I’m excited if you guys haven’t seen

the title which you probably have even

if you have we’ve been talking about

this a lot and uh Ashley has been diving

into research I just finished the movie

literally just finished it right before

this so that’s great though because it’s

fresh in your mind it’s fresh not that

the plot really had to be like you know

it’s that complicated or anything but

let’s jump into poison ivy poison ivy

this is I feel like one of the big Heavy

Hitters of Drews filmography one of the

most important in terms of like where

her career trajectory went and I think

it’s a fan favorite like there’s so many

reasons to get to this one and I think

we were a little intimidated for a bit

but we’re ready we’re ready baby yeah we

we have to be we are the foremost

experts on Drew Barrymore so did you

see that quote from Cinema sugar it was

the um hold on I got to think of the

exact phrasing the world’s preeminent

Scholars of Drew

Barrymore it just rolls up the

tongue they just decided that we were

just humble little archivist historians

over here and now scholars preeminent

experts I love it so this is a part of

our uh scholarship does that make sense

sure yeah it does this this is part this

is definitely part of our scholarship

it’s the college of

Drew should we talk about first because

neither of us obviously saw this when it

came out so we don’t really have to put

it during the release part where we

normally would talk about it do you

remember the first time you saw poison

ivy oh I don’t think I do but I I it had

to have been at the time when I was

watching everything Drew so probably

between 1998 and 2000 yeah so I was

definitely Young when I saw it I mean if

that’s like it’s just interesting to

think about like I was between 14 and 16

probably when I saw would be so

scandalized by this movie mom why this

is disgusting like I I can hear it now

but it’s also like it’s pretty

scandalous yeah what do you recall about

your first time seeing it so I must have

seen it between 98 99 because I know

like which house I was living in um I

feel like I might have actually gotten

this one recorded off like um you know

like a premium cable Channel like I

don’t think I got this one from the U

from Blockbuster from what I remember

but I definitely remember being like I

hope no one walks in on this movie like

sort of like little you

know there were some certain scenes I

remember being like Oh my God my parents

are going to be so weirded out by me it

would have felt embarrassing yeah I I

don’t I wish I remembered more details

about where I watched it I probably

would have watched it like on some

little TV that we had

set up to I I don’t even remember like

getting my first copy like I wish my

memory was better about some of those

details but every time I see it I’m like

Drew is so great in this so like I I

know I felt that and I know we’ve always

admired her performance in this and of

course she’s stunning like it’s such an

iconic role it holds up in a lot of ways

it’s almost hard for me to like think of

just Little me you know with the amount

of like amount of information about

poison ivy I’ve put in my head since I

first saw it it’s like oh yeah that’s a

great way of putting it I do remember

who knows when where I got the VHS but I

do remember it’s like double-sided like

one side is like the VHS cover and the

other side is the movie poster does that

sound right anyone know what I’m talking

about I couldn’t find my VHS when I

looked so I’ll have to I’ll have to dig

into that and I know mine’s in storage I

wish I could tell is it on our site I

mean mine is to it’s on our site right

um we were really good about doing all

of our VHS DVDs at one point and then we

kind of were like this is so boring and

then we stopped but now I like have you

looked at the that section of our page

recently no that’s that’s your one I

have yeah so maybe you have a different

one I think I do because this is like a

later it looks like a later release to

me because it looks like the DVD or wait

sorry that’s laser dis yeah I do have

the laser disc that I found all right

way to get Way Off Track already what

immediately immediately

so yes so we’re gonna just jump into

some facts a little bit here so poison

ivy was written by Melissa Gard it was

based on a real life incident that

happened to her I did not know that yeah

I would love the details who knows how

like close just been like my friend kind

of bonded with my mom and I was annoyed

it’s true and um co-written with Andy

Ruben and Katt Shea and directed by Katt

Shea um I don’t know how much will get

into like the fact that it’s directed by

a woman but it is very interesting to

think of it through that lens yeah and

mostly written by women so I do

appreciate that and I think there is

definitely some like male gaze-y stuff

there is some stuff where I’m like why’

they go there but yeah but there is kind

of like empowerment a little bit yeah

and there’s also like I feel like it

could have been worse like it could have

been exploitative which I don’t really

think it is but we’ll get get into that

yeah we’ll get into it do you want the

IMDb summary this is a really good one

all right so good we have one s in

summary from IMDb a seductive teen

befriends an introverted high school

student and schemes her way into the

lives of her wealthy family true that’s

like pretty succinct accurate I mean the

only things that are missing are

spoilers so yeah so good job IMDb that’s

pretty good once in a

while schemes is like the the key word

here yeah I know I’m surprised I didn’t

use that word in my notes I used

manipulation a lot

though all right so let’s talk about the

production of this film how it came to

be okay we can put ourselves at a time

and place we’re in the very early 1990

from what she always says is like

America’s apple pie the image of Gertie

and ET but she was also struggling to

get rolls post rehab

and also like due to her age she’s in

this weird awkward in between

space it makes a lot of sense that this

is departing from that apple pie image

like it couldn’t be a bigger departure

successful yeah and she was just talking

to Christine Taylor and David Lasher on

her show about this so let’s hear how

she described it in 20124 years and

years and years later so one day I did

get an idea and I was like like huh if

they think I’m such a kid what if I

tried something different and I found

this script called Poison Ivy it’s so

good it’s so

good and I was

like he’s the hair oh I love this there

you

go that’s that girl that’s that girl W

you just got a lot tougher and

then that’s what I did for a couple

years I was doing those kind of more

femi

sexualized you know roles perfect clip

and that makes me feel like we’re doing

this I mean I know we could have done it

the last eight weeks and it would have

been fine but also like that we’re doing

it at the right time to revisit it when

like she can see looking back like she

is taking power right I don’t know it

was yeah I I don’t really feel like

there’s anything in her career she looks

back on like oh I wish we wouldn’t talk

about that but true it is it is like

reassuring and validating when she’s

like yeah let’s talk about how sexy I

was in poison ivy yeah that that it’s

like there isn’t she’s not being shamed

she doesn’t feel shameful like that’s

really nice and empowering she also

spoke about this briefly on the E

celebrity profile that um that interview

was from 1997 so we’re jumping all over

time but it’s cool because we got lots

of different viewpoints and eventually

word gets around town that you’re doing

well you’re doing good on your auditions

that led to another audition and that

audition led to someone talking to

another person who was doing a low budget

film called Poison Ivy and that was my

first film

back celebrity

profile when celebrity profile

returns yeah it’s it’s cool I love

seeing both of these looks back yeah so

yes the one thing that we’ve probably

talked about before and this is like

kind of known about how Drew felt um

when she heard that Ivy had a tattoo of

a cross with ivy on it she was like I’ve

got a very sing similar one on my ankle

and this feels meant to be she like

always kind of had that feeling and it

was so fresh yes that tattoo so yeah I

love that that it was like her final

sign of like Yep this is the this is the

way to go Y and you pulled a clip from

cat Shay talking about Drew and the role

so I’m going to go ahead and read this

so she said I hadn’t thought about Drew

for the part at all but I knew the

minute she walked up my front steps she

was perfect she’s got this quality it’s

kind of the angel and devil wrapped up

into one she’s so seductive she can

manipulate anybody into doing whatever

she

wanted well said yes I mean that is true

right innocent and like experienced all

at once always all all stages of her

life do do we know anything about anyone

else that was considered for this no

gosh that would be amazing to find out

who else would have been able to pull it

off Winona no just

kidding

oops um so we have a lot of material

here where Drew talks about what it was

like to play a character like Ivy some

of these might be a little repetitive

but there was just so much good stuff I

kept coming across I don’t know I also

love a long quote that gives us like the

entire feeling and we we know we like

how Drew describes things so if they’re

her describing things I’m all for it um

so let’s start with some little Clips e

he let’s do

it this is the girl that you’ve envied

your whole life that you always wanted

to be in your wildest fantasies but

never ever ever dreamed or even thought

of becoming someone like that and for me

being Ivy let me live those fantasies

okay Drew agreed let’s I hear

[Laughter]

more sometimes we laugh because it’s fun

because I I really get to play a bad

girl in this you know and I I get to get

out all my anger through my character

which is pretty interesting sometimes to

see myself release so that was cool that

one was on set yeah I love that oh my

gosh that there is like actually some

really great onset footage that’s

available was just so surprising like

you would think this would not be

yeah for this a small little movie and

they call she called it like low budget

you know yeah yeah yeah so let’s jump

into some of these quotes you P yeah I

pulled a lot for magazines so these are

all for magazines from 1991 1992 okay um

the first one is quote I play a girl who

has nothing who befriends another girl

who has everything my character tries to

acquire everything her friend’s got her

motives are good but the way she goes

about it is bad the movie crosses a

certain line of behavior it explores

territory I found interesting

interesting do we do we think that the

other girl has everything you I don’t

know I just like I like that idea that

it’s it’s about wealth to to Ivy she

does for sure for sure she has the

family the house the dog true it’s all

that here’s another one Ivy is a good

girl her motives are right she just goes

about getting things the wrong way I had

to play her so that people would love

and accept her and at the same time hate

what she’s doing it was really hard and

I loved it that’s a great like great way

of putting it because you do kind of

really enjoy IV even though you don’t

agree with what she’s doing and part of

it is the man manipulation like we can

see through it as the audience but it’s

also like she can pull that off yeah

yeah um another quote it was the hardest

film I’ve done in my whole life it was

this role you have to basically turn

your life over to my character has no

family she’s a complete free spirit

then she becomes best friends with this

girl we’re both total outcasts but we’re

very opposite she dresses in overalls

and hats and I dress in cowboy boots and

skirts up to my

undies kind of

skangy we’ll get into that later

they use the word skangy at least twice in

this

movie I yeah these comparisons like yeah

it’s it’s true they are both outcasts

but they’re very different and they but

it’s like is there a friendship

completely based on this manipulation

like yeah kind of we’ll have some things

to say about that I have I have mixed

feelings Yeah well yeah we will get into

that because there was a point actually

yeah just when I when she’s like

pretending to be her mom that I was like

that’s kind of sweet she’s giving her a

moment to talk about her mom and then I

was like I think she

starts genuinely like maybe there is a

power Dynamic and she knows she has the

upper hand but I think she genuinely

wants to be friends with Sylvie yeah and

then things start turning yeah let’s

talk about that more because I think

there there are definite moments where

you can go like oh that’s actually

darling totally yeah okay so here’s

another I play a Girl by the name of Ivy

and my character is very intelligent a

very bright and funny girl if you’ve

ever met a person whom you’re in awe of

at First Sight that’s who my character

is an amazing human being who brightens

the lives of those whose path she

crosses a blooming flower who has no

friends and no family that one but

that’s a really cool one a blooming

flower who has no friends and no family

the whole thing you it’s definitely

she’s skirting around how like evil Ivy

is in that one and you would just be

like wow like it almost sounds like true

right

yeah I like it though yeah all right

we’re almost done with these

descriptions but here’s another great

one Ivy was the kind of girl who in

reality you would never want to become

but maybe when you were younger you even

knew a girl like Ivy who made you say

why can’t I be that free why can’t I

just do the thing she does even though

what she does is wrong at least she has

the guts to go and do it I loved Ivy so

much for that and wanted to play her

regardless of whether it was a good

career

move and she’s saying this like the year

it came out so yeah I think she knew

deep down it was gonna be a good career

move or she hoped anyway I mean based on

what she was just saying on her show to

Christine Taylor like she hoped this

would be what it was she was right of

course there was a risk but she somehow

was

Charming enough that people didn’t find

it actually like I don’t know whatever

they might find it I don’t know it’s it

is very cool that she can talk about

this character this way like she knew

that she was just representing somebody

that other people would

admire you know and it really shows that

she really understood the character of

Ivy like in all these different facets

because she’s describing her in a lot

lot of different ways here and I think

that probably really it comes off I

think yeah that she knows it’s like a

multiat it is not a singular you don’t

understand Ivy we don’t know who she is

and that’s like fascinating so anyway

here’s one here’s one more she said I

always wanted to play Lolita and this

was my last

chance I felt like including that just a

week ago on a quick little side thing

about her obsession with Lolita all

through throughout like her young years

yeah it’s kind of interesting and I

don’t want to go too much on like a

soapbox about like the underage stuff um

but I think at this time she saw Lolita

as like this seductive manipulator and I

think like as I’ve gotten older and

known more about the story that’s really

not what it’s about like she’s a victim

in that story yeah um but it’s

interesting that Drew was so obsessed

with it like it comes up so many times

when she’s younger but probably because

of the film right because like the film

could be yeah was so I actually have

never seen it but it was so iconic she

picked it for um the essentials that was

the only time I’ve seen it was is it Sam

Kubrick yeah yeah so

like I don’t know I mean there could be

something to it that it wasn’t like she

wasn’t even thinking about the story as

as much as it was like a beautiful young

girl getting to yeah I think you’re

right I don’t know because there I mean

there is some as weird as it is for us

as adults to go

like you know young girls like we don’t

want to think of any young girls that

way and yet we want girls to feel sexy

and Powerful yeah I think she was taking

it that way when she was this age uh I

don’t I’d be very curious what her take

on Lolita is these days but she was I

mean she name dropped it a lot back then

so I do like thinking that that’s sort

of what she was inspired by in some way

yeah even if she was misunderstanding

the

story there’s no way it couldn’t be

inspired by it I feel like

right this is a cool little detail I

don’t remember this so Drew celebrated

getting the role of Ivy by indulging in

a shopping spree and she went to her

favorite stores Benetton Aardvarks and the

Gap is this Aardvarks on Melrose I think so

yeah that’s what I was thinking isn’t

that fun and I think I don’t know why I

feel this way but is that where they’re

shop are they shopping on Melrose in the

movie like when she gets the leather

skirt I don’t know why I think

that or is it just Melrose-esque I don’t

know kind of cool to think about there’s

a couple like things in the movie where

I’m like where’s that exactly like even

though we’ll get into it but we’ve been

to a couple locations but there are even

more that I’m like I should look because

it’s probably all right around that same

general area of La probably yeah it’s a

very La movie in some ways and not in

others it’s kind of interesting yeah um

let’s quickly talk about the rest of the

cast because there’s really not that

many other people there’s some really

small rules but pretty much we just have

Sarah Gilbert who I think is the lead of

this movie even if she’s not the Title

Character um she plays Sylvie Cooper or

Coupe as Ivy calls her um they later

reunited in riding cars with boys which

is really fun um like such a cute little

thing I just love that and I I don’t

immediately think of it that’s the other

cool thing about it and also that it was

only NE it was only nine years later

that’s also another trippy thing yeah

that’s really weird um but Sarah was on

the Drew Barrymore show in 2021 and I

just thought this is a little long but I

just thought it was too cute not to

include this just sort of hearing how it

was like back then

I’m not want to kiss and tell but please

do but I have to say look now I’m like

gonna blush Drew was the coolest person

that I ever met and yeah and that’s what

happened well we were supposed to um

kiss on in the movie but then we started

practicing in the trailer which was kind

of fun we had to practice right it was

really just us doing research exactly we

were like oh I guess we should like

practice because we want it to look good

screen we had so much fun I remember I

feel like it was in the parking lot in

Los Feliz right we were like had that

little base camp oh yeah I drove that

jeep and I used to go get like ice cream

on the lunch breaks and I was like

constantly getting into accidents I

think I my license taken away on that

movie I Remember You Like Dancing on the

hood of the Jeep and yeah it you were a

wild child but in the best possible way

I was

impressed oh that’s so cute I know what

great details you were a wild child that

was so

cute some other casts that we’ve got to

introduce so we have Tom Skerritt as the

dad Daryl um he said that Drew

represented herself as someone who was

going to overcome whatever problems she

had that’s really cool yeah I like that

a lot yeah he clearly respected her

presentation of herself really cool and

how like professional she was probably

yeah um and then finally Cheryl lad

plays the mom Georgie and I think it’s

cool that she was a Charlie’s Angel you

know years before Drew became one and

then I always also like that her

daughter Jordan lad is in Never Been

Kissed she’s the main mean girl Gibby so

that’s sort of a fun connection that’s

right um we also kind of have to talk

about the fact that Leonardo DiCaprio is

credited as guy quote unquote

so people think you can see him and have

like thought that he’s walking out of

like the school and no no it’s not him

no it’s not him I remember at one point

it was like oh yeah like right in the

scene with the dog it’s like nope not in

there like yeah it’s weird because the

credits say that they’re in order of

appearance but when I was and I sort of

remember them being that way like on the

VHS maybe I’m losing my mind but when I

watched it this time they are not in

order of appearance so it’s not really

help to figure out where he’s at um but

he was friends with Sarah Gilbert he was

probably on set we know you know based

on like firsthand from our friend

Joalena’s boyfriend Jason he was a Never

Been Kissed he was contracted a certain

way he ended up not getting to do that

part but he still gets the credit

because of the way that sag works I’m

assuming so just because Leo isn’t in

the movie doesn’t mean he wasn’t

credited and just because he’s credited

doesn’t mean you’re going to find him

anywhere so weird but we yeah we don’t

have really any details yeah it just

makes me crazy that there’s this clip on

YouTube like this is him and it’s like

no it’s

not okay so Drew said about the crew at

the time she said the crew was the

tightest closest Family I’ve ever had I

was like everyone’s little sister that

makes me happy to think of her feeling

protected that’s so weird like if you

pulled that quote and said what movie is

she talking about I would have guessed

ET yeah but it’s like to think of her

feeling safe yes it’s really lovely to

imagine with a role like this I know

there’s also an onset video interview

and we’ll link to a lot of these um but

she kind of says that same old thing

about how she got so close to the crew

and was going to have to say goodbye to

them we’ve been talking about this a lot

on our patreon when we’re going through

little girl lost so it’s just a

reoccurring theme in her life yep

[Laughter]

all right we have to talk about the sex

scenes with Tom Skerritt yeah I think

this is important to address ahead of

time too because it’s it we mentioned

that the movie is raunchy if you’re

listening to this you probably know that

already

Roni Roni ski it’s ski Roni Drew gets

down she

does I’ll go ahead and read the first

quote that you pulled so she said it’s

funny because we were both really

nervous and I thought he’d just come

right out on set and take over and

everything would be perfect but he was

really shy so I had to be one with the

ovaries and say okay let’s go I saw some

of the dailies and they look really hot

they’re very passionate and erotic but

also very subtle and again this is

before the movie came out that she’s

talking about this yeah um be the one

with the

ovaries I know I love that yeah she also

said I was just as nervous as he was but

I had to act like it wasn’t to make him

more comfortable so pretty much the same

thing but I feel like that’s kind of

funny because I actually kind of

appreciate that that he was sort of like

this is weird you know you’re 16 I don’t

want the other way around in kind of any

scenario so he even if he’s not shy I’m

glad he acted

shy you know um so Drew was upset about

a body double that they used for her

even though she was emancipated and

legally 18 and she said about that I had

to sit there and watch her do it and I

was cringing in my seat it’s difficult

to like watch someone else fake you I

can’t even imagine how weird that would

be no and then of course as we mentioned

in our movie line 1992 she said no

offense to the girl but I have prettier

boobs so I think the version I watched

didn’t have like the uncut stuff is it

just like one scene where he lifts the

shirt yes that’s what I think it is so

it’s not even that blatant okay yeah but

I remember reading this yes so if you

want to listen to us talk more about

that for any reason listen to that movie

light 1982 episode that we did because

it’s a great one yeah it was definitely

something we sort of did to gear up to

this episode they’re nice companion

pieces ex and the last little production

note I have is that the title changed a

few times for this movie um at one point

they were calling it desire and that’s

actually even printed on some press

photos which which is wild yeah I think

I have a couple of them interesting and

then when Drew did a cover feature for

Venice magazine in early

called our house which I’m so glad they

changed

that not good no no that desire okay

poison ivy yeah yeah that’s the name

although when we search for Poison Ivy

and we’re looking for stuff related to

Drew it’s all like Batman withman yeah

that’s

true so that’s the only problem is the

title it was reused or was a character

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are we ready to jump into talking about

the movie yeah insert sexy saxophone

music here it is like right when it

starts you’re like whoa I fact I bet you

that was one of those moments as a

teenager where I put it on and was

immediately like oh my God what is this

nobody listen to

this okay so let’s jump into just going

through the movie I think when we first

did these episodes episode we were like

talking about everything talking through

it this is just us like making note of

stuff we thought was fun to note yeah

which there’s plenty I took a lot of

notes this time

around yeah and I just I took a few

notes to to uh go alongside this but

this is just us kind of as we’re

watching we just go that’s fun that’s

fun so not comprehensive again if you

haven’t seen the movie watch the movie

because we’re talking about very

specific things and there will be a lot

of spoilers absolutely so yeah Sexy Sax

um I have to say at some point I think I

noted that maybe like there’s like a

theme song like there’s definitely a

theme right and I think they use it I

was trying to figure out if there were

differences throughout the movie I think

there’s some variations and there’s also

like um the mom’s kind of like there’s a

couple themes but I know the main one is

right at of course the mom’s theme yeah

of course good I the music is really

cheesy but really

good yeah so let’s talk about like her

look right away come on oh well

immediately I really love that it starts

off just like literally opening credits

there’s just these shots of Ivy’s like

accessories and her clothes and her hair

and then she flips that hair and we get

her sweet beautiful face and it’s a

great opening and great reveal yeah

those first shots of her yeah I love

those like individual little reveals on

the rope swing I should have said she’s

on the rope swing yes she’s on the rope

swing and just right away you’re like oh

I get it this is like a

badass yeah this is like a sexy badass

because that looks scary I know and Drew

looks beautiful it’s a beautiful like

opening of just like her and Sarah

Gilbert’s character is watching her and

like writing in her journal maybe or

sketching her um and I love her voice

over here and throughout the whole movie

it’s the perfect like awkward teen she’s

trying so hard to be cool but she’s just

a nerd like and it’s just so good I

think she does a great job at it and

really does and the voiceover is great

like there are sometimes when voiceovers

are like why but I actually feel like it

feels Well Suited yeah we need her

dialogue yeah we need to know this is

her

story because Ivy’s so enchanting

otherwise it would be sort of become

hers did you already said she used the

words Ki no but I loved immediately I

was like ski that’s a great word we got

to use that more often that’s going to

become a word of the Pod I just know it

scy and my last note on this opening

scene is that uh it ends with Ivy

winking at Sylvie and I feel like it’s

and Sylvie’s like taken off guard like oh

you knew I was watching you and it’s

sort like yep Ivy’s already on to her

she’s already knows like she she’s Sly

she’s wise she’s she’s paying attention

that’s why she’s a good manipulator

she’s Street Smart from living living

the way she

did yeah because we get just like little

peaks of who the real person is yeah um

yeah the the next scene where they have

to like basically kill the dog because

it had been hit by a car and quote

unquote Ivy comes out and does the job

it’s so brutal I don’t know like you

know this probably was my first time

watching this movie on like a really

good TV on like a nice Blu-ray player

don’t watch that scene if you don’t like

that kind of stuff because it is Gory

like I don’t even want to go into detail

but I was like whoa why are we showing

that it was really upsetting yeah I

didn’t watch a high quality version of

the movie okay you’re probably

lucky um but I think it’s kind of an

interesting foreshadowing and spoilers

here Ivy comes in and like this dog got

hit by a car Ivy comes in and someone’s

got to like basically put the dog out of

its misery that’s sort of what I think

Ivy thinks she’s doing it’s like a mercy

kill I think somebody right before that

is like somebody needs to kill it or

somebody needs to whatever yeah and I

think it’s kind of similar to what she

ends up doing to the mom where she’s

like she wanted to die like I just you

know she justifies it to herself yeah

it’s a cool foreshadowing it is

interesting that she is able to do that

without any like basically they show

Ivy’s face after she does it and she’s

just like she’s like yeah what matter of

fact yeah um there’s also some really

cute onset footage of Drew complaining

that the pole that she uses is too heavy

for her to swing I think I remember that

little clip that is really funny but she

manages she does manage and she looks

like a badass right away like her entry

into this movie is like all right she’s

swinging on a swing she’s both she’s

swinging a pole pretty crazy um let’s

talk about the next scene which was at a

location that we visited

yeah so the so the high school this a

school called Alverno High School in Sierra

Madre this is close to where I was

living for a long time but I think we

visited it before that maybe yeah and

remember this next part it was used in

no place to hide which was filmed just a

few months prior that’s so weird too

yeah what a weird

coincidence it’s like um I think it’s

like a Convent in that movie I know it’s

like when she’s wearing the overalls

like towards the end I barely remember

that movie but um I believe Kent our

friend Kent who is by the way like the

biggest poison ivy fan there is I think

he was the one that realized it was in

that movie as well okay and then I just

noticed watching Legally Blonde recently

that it’s like the sorority house in the

beginning of the movie I was like wait a

minute that’s the poison ivy school

that’s funny there’s so much stuff

that’s used for filming in like that

area

Cadre Pasadena South Pasadena is just

like filming capital and this was in the

yeah so we’re at the school Sylvia has

to go to the principal’s office let’s

assume and Ivy’s already in

there and she shows that her tattoo is a

stick on tattoo this cross with the ivy

through it that we mentioned before yeah

on her leg and I have a funny story and

there’s this great Instagram account

called 9sg girlfriends and she’s like

one of us like she has all the like 90s

Drew memories everything yeah lot of

stuff gets reposted on our social media

because yeah it’s so relevant and I saw

her leave a comment somewhere I hope

she’s okay with me sharing this but it

was so funny to me about it was about

that kind of stick on tattoo in the

movie and like is that even a thing that

exists and she said that when the US

picture of Drew’s butterfly tattoo she

cut that out and used Vaseline to try to

stick it on like the IV

tattoo oh God so amazing isn’t that

amazing that is so amazing ’90s teen

girls less permanent than getting the

actual thing right which I do have a

butterfly tattoo inspired by Drew and no

no regrets but

yeah did you notice that we get a little

bit of that Drew child smirk happening

in this scene when she talks about the

nose ring yeah I forget what the line

was but I completely noticed it she says

like feels like you’ve got a booger

going

like or something like that but she does

that same exact like I’m about to laugh

smirk

yeah love that little thing she hadn’t

grown out of again um so they’re kind of

getting to know each other I am Sylvie

goes outside to her dad’s car and his

very first words in the movie to his

daughter are I ought to slap you it’s

yikes introduction of father not not

cool um but then it makes me laugh so

hard I always laugh at this I laugh at a

lot of Sylvie’s lines yeah because she’s

just she’s just so like sad and pathetic

Ivy asks for a ride dad says no they

just met three minutes ago and she goes

dad she’s my best

friend I just it just kills me every

time I don’t think of her as being a

loser I think her just being like I

really want to be cool and the way I can

convince my dad is to act like a little

girl and say she’s my best friend but I

also think it’s really funny and cute um

so right there she just makes up the

name Ivy yeah she doesn’t even know her

name no she doesn’t know her name and

then she says your name is Ivy by the

way before she gets into the car and

then she gets in the car and Ivy is kind

of like oh okay I like that yeah I think

afterwards like when they get somewhere

like I don’t know they they address it

again like a couple minutes later and

she like oh what is your name by the way

and she says I like Ivy sort of gives me

the chance to start

over yeah that’s right I forgot about

that so Ivy is not even her name we know

nothing about her I’m going to jump

ahead by saying this but the the stupid

sequels totally act like her name is Ivy

and I remember the first time I watched

one of them I was like nope I’m out her

name wasn’t Ivy you’re wrong and and

it’s also like almost like throwaway

yeah oh he’s like what’s her name Ivy

like she just kind of she looks over at

her tattoo she’s like Ivy wrapped around

her cross and says Ivy yeah it’s pretty

great and it makes sense for the

character I think like yeah we don’t

really need to know about her background

we we learn at little tidbits like that

her mom was on drugs and or whatever

like when she was blasted she had to

drive her mom around like there you know

whatever she said so we know that there

was not a good not a good upbringing no

I do love and she pulls this more than

once she says like oh I’m I get car sick

I have to sit in the front seat and

that’s the probably the first like true

little manipulation that she does like

I’m going to get my way by doing this

although you don’t know it yet yeah you

don’t but I think when she pulls it

again with after the tattoos I’m like oh

this is

intentional you little sneak yep

absolutely and then I thought I made

myself laugh with this little note but

the sprinklers turn on before she gets

in the car and she gets all wet and I

was like is this a foreshadowing that

there is so much rain in this movie

especially like this is LA and it rains

constantly in this movie and weirdly

like La does get a lot of rain sometimes

but to capture it that way like do they

do they actually say like it’s Los

Angeles do they like call it out no but

they talk about like street names and

stuff like that and like the view from

the house is very clearly the LA Skyline

that’s oh of course yeah of course

actually I had a thought when they show

the skyline off topic but on topic that

Drew’s house has such a cool view of

like the skyline and I I like would be

curious kind of compare like what was

her view versus what’s the view from the

house I don’t know oh that’s a cool idea

we should do that yeah only nerds like

us would get excited so just a little

bit about like that moment in the car

where she’s in the front seat and you

know Sylvie’s in the back she’s like

meeting the dad for the first time and

like totally being flirty like right

away oh instantly she does that cute

little tongue stick out which is so cute

except when you think about that she’s

like flirting with this old dude I think

it’s like because they’re talking about

having to get oh yeah like condoms for

school and that they have to like learn

how to be comfortable with asking for it

and it’s like it’s not like they want us

to like mess around or anything and then

she’s a little like tongue and then she

like has her her shoes up on the dash in

like this nice car and I’m just like o

oh yeah instantly making herself at home

very much her and then of course I was

like she loses her boots so many times

in this movie and I’m like it’s just

like Cinderella later

on was meant to be yeah yeah so yeah we’

we’ve now been officially introduced to

Ivy and her first little manipulations

yeah all right I titled this next part

as Ivy comes over I think it’s like the

next day and the girls kind of are

walking home from school together Ivy’s

learning about coup’s life and her dad

and I felt like Drew’s real life pain

about her own dad

came in this no I think he really cares

about you my dad didn’t want me anywhere

around he gets so pissed if you tried to

talk to him he’d throw stuff at me like

food or

spitballs and it’s like her own dad but

I laugh at spitballs because it’s so

funny but yeah I know I like when she

was saying it like it basically was like

she had an abusive relationship with her

dad and you could almost pluck that out

in that line directly like is her

experience and she’s looking at this

other girl who she thinks has everything

and so

beautiful what did you get it my

dad he must really love

you H he gave you that little stuffed

bear once

Drew that’s true it’s not funny don’t

you forget

no um so Sylvie starts telling some lies

here

it’s so embarrassing like she she’s half

black and that he’s not her real dad and

I’m just like so much embarrassment for

her but the only reason we know that is

because she like is talking to her mom

and I forgot that so she and when I read

your note I was like what is she talking

about and then yeah they’re like like

did you tell your friend you’re half

black yeah and she also says that she

like had tried to commit suicide but

really she like ran through like a glass

window or something thing it’s just like

she’s trying so hard it’s so real to

being a teenage girl oh my God it’s

painful and yeah she does it beautifully

because it feels real and feel we feel

that like yeah yes um and then this is

the first time we see the house the

Cooper house in Los feliz which we also

got to visit so this is one of the two

locations that we visited um of course

Lindsay Blake helped find the address

yep Lindsay if I’m not a ER I think I

also tasked her with this one we were

just talking over on patreon about how I

asked her to find Drew one of Drew’s

houses and I think I also asked her to

find this and of course she succeeded

like she always does um I remember it

took us so long to get there that day it

was like one of the stupidest LA traffic

days it was like two miles away and it

took us like an hour or something insane

like that yeah I feel like I remember

like it’s not even that far up a road

like it’s not like far off beaten path

every time we’ve gone to do like two

locations in a in La it takes forever

yeah but I do remember like seeing the

balcony was so cool because it really

the house mostly looks very similar we

have photos on our website um the

drum.com

locations you can see our pictures and

we always like to kind of put them next

to screenshots from the movie um but

yeah this was really neat there’s some

slight differences but for the most part

it looks very very Sim yeah like we

stood in the spot where basically Drew

and Cheryl lad both fell and died in

yeah that’s right because it’s like

right there I guess it’s also the spot

where like Fred the dog is like going

back and forth is right in front of that

and that’s like that’s Street side it’s

not like a private space yeah it’s right

there you don’t have to you don’t have

to trespass yes

exactly um so the girls are becoming

friends this is where it feels like

pretty authentic like I don’t think Ivy

is like oh I’m gonna just totally take

over this girl’s life I think they’re

having fun together the music very

cheesy here there’s a lot of cheesy

music as I said before but this I always

feel like this is like we’re becoming

friends like this little song and it

sort of like starts to twinkle in a

little bit like I feel like in that

scene because there’s sort of like an

awkward like Ivy is like G to leave and

then she sort of like half-heartedly

turns away yes and then like turns back

it’s such a like I don’t know like do

you want to come over I be

friends yeah me neither it’s like yeah

um did you crack up when Ivy comes into

the house and plays the piano I’m like

this girl does not know how to play the

piano like

this honestly it sounded to me like they

pressed a like pre-programmed keyboard

piano like really quickly and then turn

it off but she’s supposed

to but I guess the point is that it

wakes up the mom or brings the mom

around okay that’s why they had to do

that yeah yeah so sylvie’s mom is talking

to her kind of privately about Ivy she’s

like the way she describes her cracks me

up she’s like she’s got a woman a naked

woman with a sword on her jacket or

something like is that someone who you

want to spend time with or something

like that yeah she says like what do you

think that says to the boys and then

sylvie’s like try anything funny and I’ll

cut your dick

off I loved that I love that she looks

at her mom like yeah that’s good right

we do want guys to know try anything

funny like this is this is the person I

want to protect me Mom yeah right oop

I’s just gonna destroy everything

spoiler alert but of course Ivy is like

lurking and hears this and walks in and

like oh I’m causing a problem and she

really ingratiates herself to this mom

in such a good way like I really love

this scene I think Drew is so good in

this I think I know this was used on

like a talk show for like the clip that

they pulled um yeah I’m really a fan of

this

part I hope that when I die I have owned

a sports

car I had a

family a

home my mom died an old lady who never

did anything at the top

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down one day with the top down is better

than a lifetime in a box

the one day with the top down is better

than a lifetime in a box is so sweet but

it’s also like she kind of is she I

think she sees the picture of the mom

with the car yeah that ends up coming

into play later and she’s like making

this observation but she’s also like

taking notes that’s the thing about like

Ivy is that like mentioning the car with

the top down like all that feels very

like you know she even says like I bet

you drove it with a top down even in the

rain like she you’re right she’s like

noting all these things she even notes

the dress the mom is wearing in that

photo with the car but yeah I guess we

didn’t mention the mom is bed written

yes essentially like is she actually

sick she has like empyema or something

it’s very questionable yeah her

breathing gets really but she like they

see they show her smoking on the patio

and she’s has like a breathing problem

so as Sylvie says at one point she

spends her life dying like sylv’s

definitely like doesn’t really buy it I

feel like yeah I mean she does say I

think after she after her mom dies

something like a spoiler alert also um

that she’s like I thought she was faking

yeah I mean that would be hard if your

mom was sick like the whole time you

were I don’t know all right so now Ivy

just kind of casually just starts living

there pretty much the way she puts her

feet up in the car she puts her her

whole life into this house like I’m just

going to be here now and she’s just like

sleeping in the same bed with Coupe and

and I think that there’s some great um

voice over that kind of says like and

then Ivy just moved in you know yeah

basically it just

happened um I always Lov there’s this

really quick shot um where she’s wearing

this like black and white sort of tank

striped dress I do love that and her

hair is up in a different way and it’s

so brief but U she’s like putting on the

fake tattoo but I’ve always loved it’s

such a quick moment but I’ve always

loved it it always feels

special I love a stripe me too

especially black and white and it looks

so cute on her and it’s different than

other stuff it feels like almost not Ivy

like yeah it does and one thing I like

about this movie is that the Wardrobe is

reused which I always appreciate that

for feeling more authentic and real um

and you definitely see the same pieces

used throughout this movie which feels

good it’s genuine yeah I you point out

that Ivy is so rude to the dad while

she’s Sun brething and like yeah right

away she just acts like she owns the

place like she’s yeah she’s like you’re

blocking my son like or something like

that maybe she doesn’t say that but

that’s the

attitude yeah then her shoes fall in the

water but they just are like so

precariously just like at the edge of

the pool like it’s like or whatever it

is like the fountain Fountain yeah yeah

yeah super rude and then you know she’s

like those boosts cost 150 bucks and

then he’s like oh he’s such a dork in

this part he’s like so excited about her

out there in her little tied up top and

he gives her the money and she’s like

playing sort of like a tug-of-war with

it and he’s

like like he’s like freaking out

God yeah he has such a little boy like

grin on his face it’s so oh God but it

it has

like I think the cringe adds to it in a

wh yes I do too definitely if he was

like Smooth about it it it would feel

gross I don’t know that’s one thing I

have a note later on that sort of feels

less gross because this character his

character is uncomfortable the entire

time he’s like miserable about this he’s

never like yes I’m going to go for this

girl like and yes he has the power

Dynamic he’s the man he’s the older

but he is really just like succumbing to

it and like unhappy to do it I don’t

know I feel like that helps with the

gross thing I saw your note and maybe

we’ll just discuss it more then because

I was like really I don’t know like he’s

so unhappy about it all yeah I feel like

I had another thought about the boots I

think he says like keep the change

because he gives me like a little bit of

extra money or something it’s like dude

oh my God I mean I I guess he doesn’t he

probably just thinks this is their

exchange is going to be silly and who

she’s being flirty why you know yeah

maybe getting a little thrill out of it

oh yes um so then we get basically this

is like the first I think two very

obvious PES on Ivy’s part like there’s

no question that she’s doing something

underhanded with these like if you go

back later you can sort of see Snippets

but yeah she took that money and then

she just goes and gets the boots and

dumps the water out so like

cool I don’t think I Really Ever fully

CED that until I saw and I was like oh

yeah like I think I realized yeah she

pours the water out of her boot and puts

it on but I just didn’t even though it’s

right before I didn’t realize like oh

she just got the money to replace boots

that she’s keeping anyway wow yeah and

then there’s a phone call to sylv’s

phone and so I get it’s kind of

confusing I I think because I watched it

so many times I understand but Sylvie

volunteers for this group called Head

Start um with like inner city children

where she helps them read essentially

that’s like she like helps tutor and

like yeah so there’s a phone call from

that group and they’re saying hey can

you help out on this particular night

and she looks at the calendar and on

that night is um the dad’s having a big

work party and it has like totally and

like big bold writing dad’s birthday

yeah like sylv’s actually excited about

it and she says oh yeah she can totally

do it yep I’m putting it on the calendar

and that’s when you’re like oh I think

she says that day is totally clear yeah

she’s up to no good and again the little

charm is on so she’s like nope got it

here like wrote it down I think I feel

like on the other end they’re like do

you need to call and remind her or

should be like you know oh God don’t

call again yeah so how far are we into

the movie and she’s already just pulling

it over and over again

yeah my last note is that this poor maid

she is just like so over this family

[ __ ] I think that part they like break

an espresso machine and it just like

explodes and like

somebody

sigh my God they’re just making they’re

just like make wreaking havoc on the

kitchen yeah um yeah now we jump to them

getting a tattoo I don’t even remember

how that happens I think they decided to

ditch school yeah yeah yeah and sylv’s

like let’s do something that’ll make my

parents crazy or something like that and

I was like oh I know what we can go do

yeah and then he’s already in the middle

of tattooing her when he asks her if

she’s of age oh this guy is so

disgusting like this would never you

would never put this guy in a movie

these days like with how gross he is and

it’s pointless too why do we have to

have this guy be so nasty with them well

yeah he like drinks a little bit of beer

and like spits it on their tattoo like

it’s so bad and he’s talking about like

a tattoo of a penis he’s just disgusting

but I thought it was cute that he asked

like are you sure you’re 18 or something

and she says I’m 22 and I was like oh

her lucky number we love when that shows

up number I love that she just goes and

she’s 30 over to syvia and I’m almost

like I would almost believe that it’s

like something about it

like they don’t look 15 or 16 or however

old they’re supposed to be

yeah uh that scene is just yeah it’s

cringey but it’s supposed to be it’s

like one of those things where like

we’re like H they’re like putting

themselves into this situation so they

can do something to get in trouble

they’re definitely rebelling I also

remember she says like she needs 40

bucks for the tattoo I was like wow wow

that’s so cheap yeah it is um so they

get in a fight the girls get in a fight

because basically Sylvie sort of

insinuates like oh I’m not the type to

get a tattoo

friendship look I’m just not the type

what’s that supposed to

mean

nothing oh but I am low

class you rich little [ __ ] with your

socially acceptable

Rebellion what am I just another one of

your inner city charity

cases G I’m so

sorry what that you don’t have to teach

me to read must break your

heart this fight escalates so fast like

instantly they are being so mean to each

other and the thing I loved about it is

when I saw your note I had just passed

that scene and I was like what

fight yeah because it’s over almost

instantly too that’s how short it was

and the money tug that you mentioned

between the father and Ivy she kind of

does it with Sylvie too but in in this

way she like instantly gets Sylvie to be

like all right I forgive you fight over

she just melts yeah yeah because Ivy’s

just so damn cute yep yep um so then

they get in the truck of this guy they

hitchhike home okay casual the Rebellion

continues and this guy that drives the

truck just drinking and driving casually

like turns around he’s like I got my

beer here as I’m driving you guys well

Andrew is like or Ivy is drinking with

him the and then there’s real that song

that plays during this um I think there

was like no budget for real music in

this movie oh a lot of the songs are

like the same band

and they’re they’re like fake you know

what I mean like they they’re not songs

you’d actually hear on the radio they

feel that way they feel fake are you

just saying this are you saying no I

like looked at the credits it’s the same

band quote unquote have they ever

released any real music I didn’t go that

far with it but I’m gonna guess no it

feels weird like it does feel low budge

music totally yeah for sure because I

feel like if we put a different

soundtrack to this okay if you’re out

there and you want to re-edit poison ivy

with better music yeah I feel like it’d

be like Guns and Roses as very of this

time and look yeah but they didn’t have

the budget for that yeah the score is

fine that part has to stay it’s just the

soundtrack the needle drops need to be

real needle drops I think yeah there you

go um so I didn’t realize that this

scene because it was in the version I

watched that the scene where Ivy calls

Cooper beautiful was not on the VHS yeah

this is so weird weird so it’s a quick

little scene she yeah she says she’s

beautiful it’s not on the VHS it’s on

the DVD but then I remembered on the VHS

I don’t think I don’t know if it’s in

the exact same place or not but there’s

a scene on the VHS that’s not on the DVD

okay and you hopefully remember this but

basically like um Ivy’s on the steps of

the house inside and the dad comes up

the stairs and he’s like caught off

guard it’s like at night and he’s not

wearing his toupe and he’s like all

embarrassed that she sees him like that

and she says like oh it’s okay I like

fuzzy things like

snowballs that ringing a bell I don’t

remember that at all I wonder if we

could find it on YouTube I was just

gonna say have you seen it recently or

you just remember it totally just going

off memory yeah oh my God I do not

remember that I also had to note that in

that part because Cooper says maybe I’ll

die my hair blonde and then Ivy says

something like you’ll look like a sky ho

yeah SK was just the thing I

[Music]

guess I can’t feel the words on my

tongue but they’re on my

mind and then I just had a note that the

mom on the balcony with like the

curtains and their night gown are all

blowing all over and the music it’s such

a Vibe and I made not here like is that

one of the theme yeah I feel like that’s

the mom’s theme yeah Sylvie like comes

in at that point well she thinks her mom

is going to jump she’s standing on the

balcony and she’s kind of thinking about

it you can tell and Sylvie comes in and

like gets her down but yeah sylv’s

awkwardness with her mom in that scene

is just it felt so real and sad and

you’re just like man her parents are not

there for her like it might look like it

to Ivy that she has a mom and a dad and

it’s so great but but they are both like

pretty neglectful and shitty yeah they

don’t have like good relationships with

her no so yeah here we go we’re going to

jump to this party that was supposed to

be like basically co-hosted with Sylvie

yeah and she’s like excited like when

she comes down with her hair in that

like low low ponytail thing yeah like

almost like a low loose braid with like

a red bow in it and she like a c dress

and the guy from has Shark comes to the

door like what are you doing you’re not

ready and then they find out it’s

revealed that Ivy has you know messed up

her schedule and now she has to go

accidentally quotequote accidentally

yeah and here we go so Ivy’s plan worked

that who know like what was she thinking

was going to happen I think she just was

like I’ll get her out of the house and

I’ll be here alone like I really think

that was the plan and the dad is he’s a

little too excited when she’s like oh

I’ll help out I can serve drinks andever

a lot little bit too much like smirking

and like almost like half winking

between them like we got it yeah um but

that appearance in that red sequin dress

is so classic it’s so iconic it’s like

everything they pan from feet to head

slowly until they get to her face yeah

we have to talk about that hair it’s

like so it’s so classic 90s oh my gosh

every

like 1991 through 94 magazine I had like

I had a a lot of teen and I feel like

that French twist was like the epitome

of like sophisticated hairstyle and like

I couldn’t recreate it at all I remember

trying I have always been so bad at

updos yeah same like it’s something that

I would love to like it’s such a

sophisticated thing yeah like this is

one of many like updo I shouldn’t say

many but there are a couple updos that

Ivy has that just make her look twice

her age well and that’s like the first

time right like she’s got the like perm

and The Roots all throughout up until

now and now she’s like all of a sudden

sort of looking like the mom yeah like

she even says people said I looked like

you all night like I shouldn’t have worn

your dress she’s of course being

manipulative but yeah but yes they pan

up to Drew’s

face and then she says

hello Mr

pooper care for

anything and then there’s that exchange

because he’s supposed to be sober and

then again another manipulation but it’s

like a little play and then it comes

back later again so he like secretly

drinks and yeah like she basically gets

the ball rolling with that for him good

job

Ivy um so the party ends and she’s like

dancing by herself in the shadows and he

comes in and she does a little shoulder

shimmy and goes over to him and kind of

dancing on him I guess and then the

lights come on and poor Georgie the mom

has like tried to do her hair and get

dressed for this party way too late it’s

so sad and she calls it immediately

she’s like oh I see what’s going on here

like I think she says like so glad

Sylvie found herself a little friend or

something yeah yeah and I just my note

was master manipulator because right

away that when Georgie comes in Ivy is

able to convince her that he just needed

a hug yeah she’s like already has the

LIE ready to go and I feel like that’s

even when she says he really misses you

or something it’s

so devious so devious and it’s such a

quick she came with that like it was

just like so natural for her to be like

yeah I got a cover for this no problem

I’ll get out of this one don’t worry I

got it oh yep and then and then oh my

God so she gives the mom a drink like

I’m sure you need this again like

they’re by themselves and she comes in

and you know she’s lurking once again

and uh almost instantly Georgie passes

out and the first time I saw this I

thought she killed her like I thought

she had drugged her drink and killed her

because it’s so abrupt she’s just goes

from like being wide awake to like and

also I can only imagine like she’s on a

lot of medication and they show her like

popping pills every once in a while it

seems like secretly so I’m like that

can’t pair well with alcohol nope and

I’m sure Ivy knows that yeah and she’s

like you’re right like out like almost

immediately and then Ivy just sits on

the edge of the bed casually just lures

over the dad Daryl well the mom is there

right there on the bed it’s so ballsy

she doesn’t give a [ __ ] like she does

not care and they have like their first

little sexual

encounter right there there’s a lot of

moaning and heads back and and saxophone

and lots of saxophone I couldn’t help

but notice all the close-ups were her

hands like it’s actually like and you

know that’s not that’s weird to point

out but it’s not because I feel like I

do point out when they aren’t you know

like I notice and so I was watching for

like is this a double and then they like

pulled away and it was Drew and I was

like wow she really had to do all this

with him like all the like rubbing her

hands through his like you know graying

hair it was it was well done it was like

but it it felt it’s very 90s because of

the music also like the way it’s shot

it’s like almost grease lens yeah it’s

very like late night Cinemax

exactly like they’re not really showing

anything but it’s very implying of like

all all this like yeah stuff so there’s

their first encounter right next to

Sleepy mom o sheesh so that sets a tone

yeah and it also sets a tone like I

almost feel like from this point on I

don’t think Sylvie knows what’s going on

but she starts getting a little

resentful of IV from here on out like

they’re not really getting along after

this has to be that she thinks it’s just

the you know related to the schedule

she’s I’m sure she’s thinking what did I

do to Ivy for her to do that to me

intentionally yeah yeah I think they

show them maybe in bed that night and

there is some kind of like she like

shoves her over like yeah it’s like

that’s subtle at that point oh she gets

home and um her dog is sleeping with Ivy

and she’s kind of pissed about that

because she’s very territorial as her

dog so the first time we see Fred kind

of spending time with ivy no Fred come

here poor Fred we’ll get that

Fred um so the next day they show Ivy

like go into the garage and she’s sort

of poking around and she’s getting

treats for Fred which is one of the

things you start to understand like

that’s why he likes her so much yeah one

of her tricks yeah she’s giving him

treats um but she’s in the garage and

she like runs her finger along the car

and there’s something so like cool and

like villain

about that to me like it feels very like

yeah it’s plotting like this is going to

be mine exactly like it’s a plotting

thing yeah she even gets in the car at

that point and like is listening to the

radio right oh yeah they have this whole

thing where yeah she like drops the

treat on the ground then goes under the

car finds the key magnetically attached

to the bottom of the car and then gets

in so it’s a whole like you know series

of events the dog treat had to lead to

her dropping it but it also sets up that

there will be more stuff the car more

stuff with the dog so definitely it’s

like the scenes are actually like okay

they needed that and well yeah so Sylvie

catches her in the car and she’s pissed

about it she’s like why are you in my

mom’s car and she’s in a bad mood about

this Fred thing so then they get in this

fight about the dog Fred and at first

Ivy’s like this is so dumb like come on

but then she can’t help herself she gets

that little competitive like this is all

going to be mine and she starts they

start basically calling the poor little

dog back and forth

poor

Fred go ahead keep calling

him Fred oh

Fred God damn it Fred I called

you Fred come

here no Fred come

here no Fred come here Fred I called you

come here

Fred Fred get your fuzzy ass over

here it is so it’s so funny but also

like again it’s telling us something

about what the competition is like

feeling like for Cooper like yeah and

then Ivy can’t she can’t let her win so

she shakes her I always love this she

puts her hand in her pocket where the

treats are does this really subtle

little shake and Fred comes over and

she’s like yeah that’s right I won

you’re just like and then she’s like

good boy

yeah that’s very villainy too yes

totally so then this like this sad like

we’re not friends anymore more of that

really fake music plays that fake rock

and it was kind of perfect because it’s

like a montage and they show like Sylvie

walk and then looking at how her tattoo

is healing she and her friend are

fighting like then she like goes to that

place where the where the swing is and I

like your note well you know she’s like

maybe I can be cool like Ivy and go on

the swing and no I can’t do it and then

he’s like this couple comes and jumps on

it and that the woman always stood out

to me like she looks like a

gymnast and also I was like she’s got to

be like someone who did stun on the

movie because it’s just too like perfect

and I looked her up and she was a

gymnast so I thought that was really

cool I just made a note I’m like totally

because I read your note and then I

looked at it I was like she looks like a

gymnast flash card like what you would

say that’s a

gymnast yeah like she I feel like she

has like a tight ponytail like strong

strong legs really short shorts like you

could tell she’s a very muscular like

body uhuh oh we should mention her name

it’s B berit sheer I don’t know if I’m

saying that right probably not but shout

out to her for being such an obvious

gymnast

and they like flip around on the swing

like it’s no big deal it’s very very

funny so now yeah let’s jump into uh

right before the rain in the woods scene

famous yeah the one that we have more

Stills in our digital archives from that

scene than anything else which just

shows you like all the kind of pervy

magazines that must have wanted them y i

digress so uh the Dad shows up at the

school to pick up the girls and he’s

like harassing ivy right in front of the

school like in total view of everybody

I’m just like dude this a bad look like

you are not hiding this

well yeah so I think the only reason he

can get away with it is because he is

sylv’s Dad whatever but yeah she’s

sylv’s not here yeah and then she still

gets in the car anyway and he’s sort of

he’s just like pissed at her because she

gives him a look like o are we gonna do

it he’s just like don’t

and then he tells her to get out of the

car oh yeah and she doesn’t and he says

you heard me she’s like I hurt you oh

did I hurt you and he just like gives

in but like I said he’s so miserable

about

this that is true that part is weird

because yeah I mean the that part where

she’s like asking if she hurt him it’s

like is she just like breaking down all

his Walls by asking that is that like

it’s all it was was like what is this

it’s just and I it was almost so like

okay she it seems like he wants her to

leave MH and she’s just trying to change

the topic yeah and it works it works she

got what she wanted they go hide in the

woods in the rain of course it’s raining

that kind of makes it feel a little bit

less weird to you because you feel like

he’s like really like like I just

appreciate that he’s not like excited

about

it I don’t know true and tell’s too

excited to to turn back am I right

yeah there are some really cool Parts

like pictures of her face I also love

that it’s raining like there’s some

really cool stuff about this scene that

have nothing to do with what’s actually

happening in the scene yeah well one of

them is I don’t know if your quality was

good enough but I noticed that you can

totally see all her ear piercings and

you can’t see them very often in her

life but you can really see how many she

has in that scene I took a lot of

screenshots and I think we I’d noticed

that before cuz when I saw it again I

was like oh yeah I remember this angle

and seeing that before it’s something

about the light like the way it’s

hitting her yeah maybe that’s what it is

all right so they have their little

their little uh encounter in the

woods all the magazines loved it the the

setting is cool true true and that’s

where the uh I think that’s where the

body double was used that was the same

oh yeah that makes sense okay so we cut

back to the house it’s later on and once

again the mom is sort of doing her

little balcony wishing I could jump but

I’m not GNA jump thing um I love Drew in

the pink slip she’s wearing it’s like a

I don’t know if it’s slip but it’s like

got that vibe to it um it’s like silky

silky for sure such a pretty color on

her with her um hair color in that scene

I just have always loved it like I love

photos from it which are few and far

between yeah she does look gorgeous in

that I just love this scene I think that

Drew plays this really well like you

don’t really get the sense that Ivy went

and they’re like I’m gonna go kill the

mom now it just the opportunity shows up

and before she even realizes what she’s

doing she pushes her off the balcony and

she instantly looks freaked out like

holy [ __ ] what did I just do like I

really appreciate that that that’s sort

of what she’s talking about in all these

descriptions of Ivy like there’s shading

right like we like Ivy we’re not she’s

not just onedimensional

evil [ ] like yeah know homicidal [ ]

as Drew called

her she she’s not like feeling great

about what she did and she’s really

freaked out and I just I love her faces

in those scenes those expressions where

you can really tell all the things she’s

going through you’re right yeah and it’s

sort of I guess we can think of it as

like the dad feels bad about the shitty

things he he’s doing and you can also

see some like whatever some emot on her

face yeah but she’s she literally kills

the mom yeah let’s not sugarcoat it she

still did a really bad thing but it also

was like yeah it could be easily covered

up by the fact that the mom has sort of

not threatened with this yeah yeah

flirted with jumping off and she I think

Sylvia has seen her like standing really

close to the edge and they don’t show

anything they don’t show the mom’s body

but then you see Sylvie come in and then

she goes downstairs have to like imagine

okay she found her then they jump to the

funeral where Drew again like looks

amazing but looks like she’s about

going on yeah yes I was gonna say like

there’s an updo happening um I feel like

her dress is like it’s black but it’s

got like strappy like it’s kind of sexy

yeah also yeah I’ve always liked that

part too anytime she looks like very

different like one little scene where

it’s like oh she never looks like that

in the rest of the movie I guess those

are things always like catch my interest

yep and then after the funeral I totally

forgot that Ivy just like goes and

sleeps in the mom’s bed right off the

bat the balls on this

girl and then she gets caught by Coupe I

again a great Sarah Gilbert delivery

you’re in my mother’s

bed I just love

it right after that they just start to

Snug in bed together yeah cuz of course

Ivy like again gets out of it and then

just like insists that Sylvie pretend

that she’s her mom and talk to her and

there’s something like that feels like

say say the things to me that you’re you

couldn’t say your mom when she was alive

like there’s something like she is being

a friend but she’s also like I’m

literally in your mom’s bed probably

wearing your mom’s

clothes I wanted to talk to her again

tell her stuff before she

died tell

what pretend I’m

her come on I’m your mom I don’t know

what to say well what couldn’t you say

to me come on I’m

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Georgie I was and I think she even like

responds as if she’s her yeah totally

it’s a yeah it’s

intense okay it at what point does like

good friendship become just way

overstepping this is it yeah great great

way to put it yeah um then we get the

classic car crash scene so once again uh

we’re back to the car this time Cooper’s

like uh washing it and she’s like

thinking about her mom and like that

would be a nice way to honor her I guess

is by washing this car that meant so

much to her and then ivy shows up like

she’s like looming in the background

like come on let’s go for a ride all

three of

us and when they get in the car I loved

that I just love because I love rain but

so does Drew so so Cooper basically just

like says it might rain and Ivy’s

response one can always hope I just

liked like because I mean we we know she

like to do it in the rain yeah you’re

right there’s a lot there’s a lot of

rain in this I also think she’s like

embodying the mom Georgie in some way

because she knows she loves to drive

with the top down so she’s like really

wants to become this woman true and she

also like it seemed like

she like like we said earlier she was

taking notes and collecting sort of like

this fantasy person yeah and then kind

of becoming

her yeah it’s really well done I really

I really like this movie still I was

like oh I haven’t watched in a while is

it gonna hold up it holds up yeah it it

is like Drew’s acting is strong the

storyline could be worse like there at

least there’s a storyline yeah it’s a

little it’s low budg it’s a little

cheesy but like it works it’s good it’s

it knows what it is and it’s really good

at it that’s true that’s true um I

always love Drew in this orange dress uh

you called it Merry gold which I think

is even a better way to describe it yeah

because it’s like almost like got a lot

more yellow in it but Mar is like a

light orange yeah it’s like a very

specific orange and I didn’t double

check it but I mentioned it earlier I’m

pretty positive this is what the mom is

wearing in the picture with the car that

you see at the beginning so it’s again

she noted it she’s like I’ll wear that

later when I kill her and we go around

with her n yeah but it is such a good

dress oh and so like thoughtful that it

has the cutout on the chest which comes

into play later like great touch yeah

exactly right where a steering

wheel would hit

approximately um

approximately I was laughing during so

Ivy drives and I was laughing because I

feel like she drives kind of similarly

to how we always hear Drew does which

she even says In that clip we listened

to earlier she got her license taken

away on this

movie yep and I just while I was

watching that part which you can see I

see you mention the Stunt Driver later

but you can definitely see like every

time they show the back it’s like that’s

not true yeah but um but also I’m like

where did they film this because it

really feels like a Canyon Road like in

LA like it could be like any Canyon

roads like I want to look it up but I’m

so curious maybe Lindsay can get to that

one for us yeah um I don’t think that

when Ivy is supposed to be singing The

Melody of the piano I don’t think it’s

Drew doing

it I don’t either it doesn’t sound like

it’s so weirdly over

to like that’s not true

but also like you and tell they were

like don’t make it sound perfect yeah

but it didn’t it just did not sound like

Drew like if it was it was Drew I could

just see her like over and over trying

and they’re just like we’re gonna get it

we’re gonna get somebody to dub that

one um also I noticed speaking of her

voice that it crackles when she starts

yelling at Cooper and it reminded me of

how you love that Parton mad love where

she screams and come on she was about to

kill herself she must have said

something what don’t you tell me what my

mother

said please stop I want to hear you you

accusing me of something why did you do

something everybody always had up

blaming me I thought you were different

I thought that we were real

friends it sounds so much like it like

right away I was like hearing that mad

love scene in my head like it’s just

another little tidbit we get of what

life was like before this for her MH

she’s being way overly defensive to this

thing and yelling and being very and

making her drive more dangerously yeah

and then like I had to crack up because

again this is probably the best quality

I’ve ever watched this movie and you can

totally see the stunt driver’s face and

so like I paused it I accidentally

paused it and I sent it to you I was

like this is so creepy that’s like not

true at all um and I looked at the Stunt

Driver her name is Debbie Evans she does

a ton of stunt driving and randomly

enough she did stunts for Demi Moore in

Charlie’s Angels Full Throttle so oh

cool I love that people always like come

back around Hollywood’s a small place

yeah and when people are in industry and

they’re good they stick in the industry

for a while that’s yeah that’s true um I

don’t know if you noticed this but I

feel like I used to notice this a lot

when so they they crash the car and Ivy

wakes up and her hair is like tucked

behind and you can’t see the full length

of it and it’s perfectly tucked exactly

at the length it is in gun crazy like

she looks straight out of gun crazy

we’ll have to pull one of your caps for

that one I don’t I haven’t noticed that

before but I love when that stuff

happens when it’s like when things are

cropped to D just her face and it’s like

oh that’s that looks just like this but

like how close did those film together

really close it’s probably a matter of

maybe months like maybe even shorter

than that I think soad back yeah it’s

pretty neat to think about crazy oh I

can’t wait to talk about gun crazy one

day we’ll get there yeah we will um so

now let’s get into when um after the car

crash Sylvia just has to escape from the

hospital I mean okay so yeah so her dad

comes to visit her in the hospital oh

such a jerk such a jerk he’s just like

pissed at her for crashing the car no

concern for her well-being like she has

concussion but he thinks that she was

driving because Ivy the master

manipulator put her in the driver’s seat

so I guess we got to just take that step

back and talk about that the fact that

that happened um we just kind of bowled

over because if you you’ve seen the

movie we’re just talking about it that’s

right so um so I’m just like why does

why does she have to escape the hospital

like I think well we know she’s like

hallucinating and a little delirious

right she keeps seeing her mother

everywhere and she knows now that Ivy

might be responsible for her mom’s death

so there’s this sense of urgency of like

I have to go get her I guess but she’s

not making a lot of sense because she’s

totally out of it true yeah because then

she gets there and then sees her mom’s

well let’s talk about how she gets there

first of all okay yeah I forgot how long

this Escape goes on I’m like she’s like

going in the elevator and she’s sneaking

past the nurses and she’s in like an

Alleyway it had like that parts of it

felt like when they’re escaping in mad

love when they’re escaping the mental

institution like going around like like

here staff and they’re like sneaking by

totally it’s funny how like probably

because Drew is not in that part it’s

just like isn’t in my memory as much so

I was like wow this this like goes on

forever yeah yeah but I did always love

the goth dude that picks up Sylvie she’s

like sitting in the rain I’m very

curious about him like I’m like is that

guy like actually like a musici he just

like he’s credited as death rocker

good I also didn’t realize that he like

gives her clothes because she comes home

and she’s not in the Gown yeah he even

says like like I stole those I hope you

enjoy I hope you enjoy the digs I stole

those too or something like that but I

just didn’t even think about it because

that’s not the focus in the scene

because Wham she comes home and finds

her dad and Ivy but she’s imagining that

it’s her mother being like railed by her

dad by the piano on the piano but I was

also like wait this is supposed to be

Drew and I thought this was the part

with the body double but because it’s

Cheryl lad yeah and then they like you

know she turns around and it’s Ivy and

she realizes that Sylvia’s there and

she’s walking in on her old dad’s butt

too it’s brutal poor Sylvie yep and she

just like is slowly continues to walk in

because she thinks she’s seeing her mom

because she can’t believe what she’s

seeing yeah um so she runs out of course

dad has to go chase her pouring rain

pouring rain at this part of course so

we’ll explain why but I was trying to

figure out if pretty much at this point

when Ivy runs out after him if this is

where she’s actually wearing a wig it’s

wet because of the rain but I started

looking for it here and I did feel like

her layer length seemed a little off so

I don’t know if this is where it starts

or not but that was my guess the cool

thing is that L magazine they did a

feature on Drew in 1991 it’s not a

covered feature but um they were on set

during this scene and they know about

how Drew is like freezing which of

course she’s always cold so I can only

imagine with all this rain on her but

she looks beautiful I mean if there’s

any you know like the scene turned the

scene turned out good um I just had to

note it’s so sad that silie keeps

hallucinating I know she thinks her dog

is like the ear with her mom’s remains

in is very sad yes um but Ivy like goes

up to the room the Mom’s room oh because

the dad’s going to go drive and look for

Sylvie that’s why so she’s like I’ll

just go upstairs and put on more of

Mom’s clothes gonna put on this robe

because that’s what I do now and Sylvie

comes in and again thinks it’s she’s

seeing her mom it’s actually Ivy and

then this is when the kiss happens the

big overblown kiss is there a kiss

earlier in the movie too or was I just

like waiting for the big I don’t know I

think there’s like a very brief like

Peck but this is the like tongues and we

just went for it and you know over and

over again it’s spoken about and it’s so

not a big deal it’s pretty mild by

today’s standards yeah but also when

there when was it in um movie line 92

yeah a lot about it so I think they’re

they’re kind of saying like how

embarrassed they felt like the crew was

cuz they were going all for it so we

were getting like the behind the scenes

of what they were filming and what they

actually cut to us is like all right

that’s mile so who knows yeah she also

talks about it in some like uh TV

interviews so I mean this was just a

different time where that was a huge

deal and it so doesn’t it’s like nothing

now girls kissing can you imagine it’s

like one second of screen time yeah it’s

very little yeah um okay so we’re at the

end

originally the character of Ivy was

written to live at the end of the movie

she’s supposed to get away with it all

it was going to have her leaving the

Cooper’s house at the end and

hitchhiking to quote this is from cat

Shay find her next victim which is you

know and you almost wonder has she done

something like this before maybe not

committed murder but infiltrated herself

into somebody’s lives um and Cat Shay

fought for that ending but new line

Cinema decided that Ivy needed to die

she needed a pay so this is why they had

to do re-shoot I like apparently they

didn’t even film an ending at first oh

according to cat Shay so they had to

re-shoot months later Drew had already

cut her hair for gun crazy and that’s

why there had to be a wig apparently it

was a very expensive wig she said

oh so just that’s like a pretty cool

thing to think about it’s crazy that

they would have wrapped the film without

like an

ending yeah but I mean who knows maybe

they were just like if we have to end it

vaguely yeah with her

just

disappearing you know like who knows

what they thought but that also that’s

just it’s so interesting that I wonder

how much Studios can dictate endings

like we hear stories of Studios doing it

I mean especially like I think this is

cat shade’s directorial debut okay uh so

like she didn’t probably have any power

to you know get the ending she wanted

which is sad uh I like the

you know yeah me too even though I’m

always bummed that she dies because that

damn necklace which always looks so

cheap to me that necklace it’s funny

that they make such a big deal out of it

yeah it also kind of looks like the like

Titanic necklace doesn’t it yeah the

blue sparkling totally but yeah the damn

NE necklace does her in she’s holding on

to it and it breaks because it’s cheap

it sure does and looks cheap yeah um

when that scene was coming up of course

I thought of when we talk to Le wadell

Yeah in our scream episode and we’ll

explain why Lee wadell who’s a stepman

he was he participated in her death

stunt in this like Drew landing on the

ground from the balcony and he said that

she like did it so many times that it

made him uncomfortable right didn’t he

say something to that effect but the

reason it’s relevant the reason we’re

bringing him up is because he would

later be the stunt man who would be

Ghostface um when Drew was being killed

in Scream

which we didn’t even know when we

interviewed him for our scream episode

it’s our episode 10 um I saw that he had

done stun some Poison Ivy and I was so

excited to talk to him about it but when

we found out he’s like the one that does

her death in both I’m like that’s pretty

cool what a weird thing to claim to fame

yeah that was so cool yeah so that’s

really fun if you guys want to hear that

we also have the full uncut um interview

with him on our YouTube if you want to

check that out oh yeah that’s right I

also it’s still blown away that episode

episode I know so long ago and now we’re

finally getting to poison ivy on number

ground with her face and I’m just like

she is a trooper she is so professional

and gets it gets it done because man it

looks painful yeah and I made a note

because in her hand is the sparkling gem

that she’s a gold digger till the end oh

yeah the heart of the oan

I perfect little bow on Miss poison ivy

Y and that’s our movie the beginning and

end of her story we do we do end with

Cooper’s voiceover saying like I think

I’ll always love her like you know which

I think is cool because what a

complicated thing for that that poor

girl the trauma she just went

through yep hope you’re okay CP wherever

you are yep and yeah she literally

watches her fall off the balcony and

breaks the necklace that she’s wearing

it’s trauma trauma trauma young

girl I miss

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her all right so let’s talk about the

release and the legacy of poison ivy and

then wrap this episode up so this iconic

film yeah the red carpet Premiere was in

LA on May fourth Drew attended with

Jamie Walters her boyfriend fiance at

the time and her mother Jade was there

too um Sharon Stone went to that

Premiere which I always thought was cool

you know they did a reconcilable

differences together right like do you

ever I always forget that I think it’s

Sharon Stone’s debut I totally forget

that because the timeline seems wrong

totally yeah and they’re not in a lot of

scenes together but I always kind of

like thinking that she was like there to

support Drew and she’s also you know

also this movie in a lot of like

marketing was like Basic Instinct and

you know you know very what Sharon Stone

was representing at that time so I just

think it was like a a show of support

and I like it yeah I love that and I

yeah I love that somebody with clout

like that would come and like support

yeah

I think she’s the only other person of

note that I’ve ever seen that

went and Sarah Gilbert of course was

there too I don’t even know if Tom

scarrett or Cheryl L went I’ve never

seen photos of them there I don’t know I

and now I kind of want to look but I can

picture Sharon Stone she’s wearing like

a big t-shirt I feel like isn’t she yeah

yeah we’ll have to share some photos

very early 90s so the movie opened on a

pretty limited release this is pretty

common for indie films so it opened in

LA in New York on May 8th of 1992 so

just a few days after the premiere yeah

and I don’t even think it ever got a

wide release so did not do successfully

in the theatrical release but yeah it

makes up for it we’ll get to that um

Drew did do a ton of press for this this

was her big comeback like this is the

first thing that really put her back on

the map as this like adul is teen Vixen

sexy bad girl what she would be for the

next few years yeah it definitely was

one of her renaissan as I like to say y

it really really was she went on like

arenia Hall Dennis Miller shows there

was magazines like we mentioned movie

line us interview Venice like there’s so

many magazines from this era if you want

to check those out we have a great 1992

magazine page on the drum and there’s

all kinds of good content there for you

to yes good old self-promotion for the

jum um should I play this little clip

from one of the press

conversations I I like the shock um it’s

it’s incredible to see the response that

people are having towards this film let

alone seeing me doing the things that I

do in this film um when they think of me

as a little girl I’m not a little girl

anymore yeah you kind of are

though and she looks like a baby yeah so

um yeah a couple reviews which I always

like reading so um Peter Travers for

Rolling Stone said you know who that is

right um I can picture him is he in like

one of the bio things and we used to

like talk about what’s the quote that we

used to like I don’t remember but we

definitely had like a laugh about him

yes I can picture him but I don’t

remember what the quote is that’s so

funny so he said bury more Nails every

carnal comic and vulnerable shading in

her role she’s a knockout beautifully

said carnal is such a good word too yeah

yeah yeah and then this is kind of a

longer one but it’s really great from us

which US not us you and I before US

Weekly there was just us that’s what it

was called yes and it was a great

magazine and I miss it still to this day

um they said Poison Ivy’s big draw is

Drew Barrymore all grown up and

weathered before her time she plays a

lonely lethal Lolita looking for some

company on her dead end trip to Nowhere

Barrymore gives a terrifically Frank and

sexy performance

the 17-year-old actress is notorious for

her drug downfall and recovery and the

experience shows with trashy confidence

she pulls her lips into a heart-shaped

pout and struts around like she owns the

Earth her every move cries too much too

soon whoa yeah it’s a good one also that

of course is her great Aunt Diana’s

autobiography title too much too soon

that’s right that’s a good review it’s a

great one wow I just like I’m like every

line has some kind of like the trashy

trashy

confidence wow cool thank you for

pulling those that’s sure um the film

later gained cult status through video

and cable releases so yeah even though

it didn’t have its big theatrical

release you know Splash Drew definitely

got recognition for this and people

remember her for this role like I think

that people at the time and then for

rubies it’s like iconic yeah it’s

definitely one of the biggie like as I

said at the beginning it’s one of those

like oh poison ivy it’s a big deal there

are some sequels as we mentioned they

didn’t have cat Shays involvement at all

in 1996 there was poison ivy to Lily

starred Alysa Milano she’s this girl

that finds Ivy’s diary and tries to be

like her and that’s where I was like her

name wasn’t Ivy so I’m out like because

it’s supposed to be like before she went

to the Cooper’s house it’s so silly um

seduction with Jamie Presley and I guess

she’s Ivy’s little sister

Violet okay and then I guess I didn’t

even know this in 2008 there was poison

IV the secret society a lifetime

movie I know I think I tried to read the

summary and it was like gibberish and I

just yeah yeah so this is this our

interest is primarily in Drew

Barrymore’s 1992 poison directed by cat

sh yeah um but it is fascinating that

there has somehow been like an expanded

universe for a character that was made

up and the name it’s yeah it totally

just turns its Cannon upside down it

doesn’t make any sense

yeah and this very last thing I don’t

remember this at all oh interesting so

tell me about this okay so there was a

fashion brand called UNIF u n f and they

did a whole line inspired by Poison Ivy

in 2012 for their summer um summer line

and their marketing campaign for it is

incredible they got this blonde girl and

this brunette girl they both have huge

curly hair and they’re wearing very

inspired by the time

cloth from what I recall there was like

a YouTube video I don’t even think it

exists anymore that showed all of the

images and um they had like the line the

voiceover from the movie kind of going

through out based on this like

screenshot I have here yeah wow I have

like no recollection it’s really neat

they did a great job it’s like perfectly

inspired it’s not like a direct you know

cosplay but you look at it and you’re

like got it I know what they’re going

for here well this image yeah it’s like

supposed to be exactly like how she’s

sitting when she’s sunbathing yeah it’s

really good we share photos from those

yeah that’s really neat so here we are

at the end of our poon an ivy episode oh

my God we did it I can’t believe we did

it I’m so excited we’ve been talking

about it for a while this this was yeah

this is an important one it also it’s

like it feels so I feel like a lot of

the information about

it I don’t know what I was gonna say I

lost my train of thought I was trying to

figure out how to wrap it up I

think you’ve just been rendered

speechless by the Beauty and the uh evil

Charisma of Ivy yeah I have I just I

don’t know what to say anymore go jump

off a balcony you’re

done anyway we hope you guys like this

this was really I’m like thrilled to be

releasing this episode this has been in

the works and there’s a lot of love that

we have for it and you know I didn’t go

too much on my like this is

uncomfortable she’s a teenager yeah rant

this time I feel like I’m trying to rain

that in and again like I didn’t feel it

as much as I expected to because of the

way the material was handled which I

really

appreciate yeah it’s it’s cool to like

try to find that lens it’s like yeah we

we almost

like expect to feel ick right so like

you’re almost like what can help me not

feel ick with but great movie I’m so

happy to revisit it I still love it yeah

and again I like the one thing I will

say coming out of it as like be wanting

to be protective of Drew as the

individual that person is like said that

she said she felt safe on the set so we

can come out of this going like she did

do this like stuff that was questionable

for a teenager but Drew felt safe and

that’s what’s important and it very much

felt like her decision through and

through so hopefully she never felt

exploited yeah and yay Drew so thank you

guys I hope you enjoyed this as much as

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Universe lately I feel like I’ve

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How Do You Drew Episode 127 – Q&A #5

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And I’m Ashley, and this week we

are doing a Q and A for the first
time in a very long time.

In a very long time, yeah.
This was like, I think the last

time we did one was probably
when we were doing it weekly

maybe like.
Yeah, it might have been.

You know, and we have had four
before this and guys here, we’re

back.
We’re back with your Qs.

We have the Qs, we have the
As, and this is going to be a

very Hole heavy episode.
Yeah, kind of hole meaning the

band Hole.
There will also be lots of holes

in this episode.
If you’re into that kind of

thing, you’re in the right
place.

Yes, yes.
But let’s start up, start at the

top.
We’ve got lots of various things

before we get into it, so let’s
start with.

Well, we have a little Patreon
update.

We just want to say hi and thank
you to our new member at the $5

level big timer.
That would be Eric.

So thank you, Eric.
Eric Erlandson, maybe this is our

Hole heavy episode.
No, it’s probably What kind of

shit are they talking about me
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I got to find out and Speaking
of Patreon, we are working on

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very soon.
So if you’re not already there,

make sure you go over there.
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second ago, but.
Go over there

patreon.com/howdoyoudrew.
OK, so let’s get into some other

stuff.
Can you tell me what Drew has

proclaimed her love for
recently?

I love, love.
Not too many this time around.

I like this first one.
Drew loves a dry cat.

What she means by that is
someone with a dry sense of

humor.
But I just such great wording.

Yeah.
I like it, she said.

She loves a Tabasco.
Which I was surprised wasn’t on

the list because we have all
kinds of like hot sauce and

spicy foods and stuff.
But that was the first Tabasco

and then also this one surprised
me.

Drew loves Texas, which we’ve
known, you know, since she was

with Luke Wilson.
I don’t know if she loved Texas

when she filmed Bad Girls there,
but she definitely loved Texas

after that.
So and.

By the time they did whip it,
she loved Texas.

Right, I always forget that.
Whip It, it’s coming back there.

Oh my gosh, that’s right.
So she’s filmed quite a bit

there and she keeps saying that
she had a house in Austin, but

we don’t know anything about
that.

Yeah, like we just kind of were
like surprised by that

information relatively recently.
So OK, let’s move on to the

Drewism of the week.
I feel like we haven’t had one

for a minute.
We sure haven’t.

You know those cool little isms
that we do?

Because it has been so long, I
was kind of excited when she

said this, but I also felt for
her because she’s like going

through some serious
perimenopause bloating.

Yeah, and I love that.
She’s being so transparent about

it like she is.
I saw another episode the other

day, not this one, where she
stood up and like showed where

her like belly was on her pants
like really pulled it tight.

She’s like, this is what I’m
dealing with.

Yep, I saw that.
I know and I love because it’s

just cracking everyone up and
she’s just like.

That is so real, she’s
frustrated with her body.

Clearly.
So let’s listen to her talking

about that.
Today, without being honest

because I can’t fake anything.
OK, go go there.

I am so bloated that I feel like
some carp that got brought up to

the.
Beach.

And I’m just that dead.
Fish, though.

I love the face she makes, like
puffing.

Her I know I wish we could like
show the face in the podcast,

but we’re just audio guys.
Sorry.

One day, maybe video.
But it’s good.

It’s, it’s a great Drewism we
had, we had missed it, Drew.

Yeah, we sure have.
OK, so let’s get into the first

of the many, like Hole mentions
that come up here.

Let’s go into the kind comments
corner.

So sweet.
OK, we have a lot to say about

this and this is going to be
like how we how we get into it.

But we’ll start with the
comment.

This comes from Melissa Auf der Maur,
who was the bass player of Hole

in the like mid to late 90s, I
guess.

And she and Drew had a wonderful
connection during those times.

And I just love how she
described having Drew around

during this era.
Me too.

Meanwhile, there’s this starlet
Hollywood starlet in our midst,

which was very exciting for.
Rocky, I didn’t see myself.

Well, you were.
Very exciting that’s I mean you

were like to have you this
beautiful Pixie Stardust around

us.
Oh God, because when Courtney

would enter the room, I’d be
like, OK, here we go.

Let’s.
You know, we love, we love her

being referred to in any way.
Pixie Stardust.

Beautiful.
Pixie Stardust So seems like

like a Melissa thing to say too.
Also, yeah, we can gush for a

minute about this.
Oh my God, like interview and

appearance.
It was so awesome.

It was so good, like their
connection, like they both

immediately were kind of in
tears seeing each other.

They had so much to relate to
each other about as moms, which

was so cool.
Yeah.

Then because Melissa has always
been like, quite the shutterbug,

she brought so many photos from
like 94-95.

Holy shit.
We’ve just losing our minds over

the years.
It is so.

Cool.
So freaking cool.

Also I feel like I was surprised
knowing like how close they

were.
Like, I don’t think I had really

gotten.
I don’t know.

I hadn’t known that.
I don’t.

Think you know, there’s that one
interview that what’s his name?

Nardwaur.
Narwaur, Yeah.

Narwhal?
Nardwaur.

No, I think it’s Nardwaur.
I think it’s Nardwaur.

Yeah, that he did at
Lollapalooza in Vancouver, where

it was very obvious that they
were like had a close

friendship.
I’d like posted a clip of that

not that long ago.
And then what was the other

reason?
Oh, when she goes back to

Letterman after the flashing, so
the 1 immediately after she says

that like she’s like, oh, Mel
here with me or something like

that.
So.

But yeah, you’re right.
It’s not I I don’t think we

heard about it that often.
It’s not nice talked about in

interviews.
But it was so sweet.

They were very tender with each
other.

Like it.
Yeah, it was.

I just wanted to be like in that
sandwich like.

I know.
And I thought that this was

really interesting, like,
because I don’t know that Drew

has ever spoken about like, the
kind of what was going on with

the band when she came around,
when she started dating Eric.

But she, you know, she actually,
like very clearly said, you

know, Kurt Cobain just died.
And Kristen Pfaff, the original

bass player, had also just died
of an overdose.

I’ve never heard her talk about
this.

Yeah, I don’t think I realized
those were like close together.

Oh, OK.
Like in time.

Like very close.
It’s crazy.

So I just thought it was really
neat.

I mean, not that it’s a good
thing, but I’ve just to hear her

talk about that, which is so
new.

She’s never done that.
And then also, I loved how she

and Melissa were talking about
how there was all this death and

darkness around the band and
they sort of felt like this

almost like responsibility or
like honor of like bringing

light to the group.
So cool.

That is really cool, our little
picks a little beautiful Pixie

Stardust helping bring the light
to this dark place.

So cool.
Oh my gosh.

So I do have her memoir, like
I’m on hold from the library.

I already like, kind of
searched.

There’s not that many mentions
of Drew in it.

But she also has a photography
book coming out later this year

and that that is going to have
Drew.

Yeah.
I’m excited.

Cool.
All right, so before we get into

what’s other things that are
new, we’re going to go back in

time a little bit and see what
happened this week in Drew

History.
Again, another Hole hole.

We’re going to jump into April

already on board with this.
That means black haired Drew is

around us.
Yeah, yeah.

She attended the premiere of the
movie Primal Fear with Courtney

Love and Eric Erlandson.
Little whole sandwich she was in

on the red carpet.
So she was there probably to

support Edward Norton.
They had just filmed everyone

says I love you.
I think that makes a lot of

sense.
And notably, this is the last

time that she was ever pictured
with Eric.

So this is like what we kind of
use as our, what would you say

like guide, like a host of like.
Like a book, not a bookmark.

Like a book end.
Yeah, like this is a bookend.

This is when we think they broke
up soon after this.

It’s also only two weeks before
she went and filmed Scream,

which is really interesting to
think about.

Weird.
And the big thing was like all

the media.
Like I remember MTV had a

segment and a lot of magazines
made a big deal out of the fact

that Drew and Courtney both had
dark hair and they weren’t

blonde anymore.
Famously blonde, right?

How many clippings do we have?
But I feel like doesn’t Courtney

Love say something like in the
like when they’re walking the

red carpet like I.
Think she says we’re much better

behaved as brunettes or
something like.

That that sounds familiar.
That sounds familiar.

But of course, like clippings
talking about it.

But yeah, people who are like,
famously blonde and have been

and then suddenly like, coming
out as these, like, dark, like

goddesses.
Totally.

They almost look like they kind
of coordinated their outfits,

like they’re both wearing black
Blazers with silky cream.

And flowers in there.
And the flowers in their hair,

yeah, that’s really cute.
I realized how similar their

entire outfit was.
But that’s a great poll.

I always love A961996.
Will come up again a little bit

later.
I’ll tell you that now.

All right, OK, so let’s get into
what’s new with Drew.

Here we go with the news,
everybody.

OK, I feel really vindicated
with this first one.

So way back in April 2025, on
the podcast, we reported a

guess, a hypothesis that Drew
was going to have a cameo in a

movie that was coming up called
Outcome, directed by Jonah Hill

and starring Keanu Reeves and
Cameron Diaz.

Because Matt is, I always
forget, is it Matt Bomer?

Is that how you say his name?
He is also in the movie and he

like was on Drew’s show and very
quickly you would almost miss

it.
Said like, oh, we just filmed a

movie together and we’re like, I
remember.

You pointing that out, I do
remember this discussing this.

So I was like, what did he just
film?

Oh, and when was this filmed?
Oh, Drew was in LA.

You know, put the pieces
together.

And yes, it’s true, she is in
the movie as long as well as

lots of other people.
It’s like got a huge cool cast.

So it will premiere on Apple TV
on April 10th, which is very

soon.
Oh yeah.

The trailer is out now and you
can see Drew in a very short

moment.
Like we have no concept of how

big or small her part is.
I don’t even know.

Like he’s playing like a
fictional movie star.

So you’re not sure if she’s
playing herself or a character?

No one else seems to be playing
themselves, so probably not.

But yeah, it’s they’re in this
like, beautiful golden light and

they’re just sitting, her and
Keanu sitting together, talking

about babes in Toyland.
I was.

Just gonna say Babes in Toyland
reunion.

I’m like, they’ve come a long
way from singing Cincinnati in a

not-Jeep.
In a in a in a film that was

randomly filmed in Germany.
So fun.

So I guess next episode we can
probably report on it.

That’s crazy.
Yeah, good point.

Cool.
So good.

Like little detective.
Work like a year ago.

Very proud of myself.
Yes.

OK, so this next thing is really
exciting.

I’ll go ahead and take this, I
guess.

Yeah, it’s been a while, I feel
like.

So there’s a new magazine cover
feature with our girl on a

magazine called Rue, which I’ve
never heard of, but it’s the

spring 2026 issue with a feature
of Drew’s upstate New York home.

The photos are by David
Englehart, and they’re really

cute.
I’m have you gotten it yet or?

No, I need to get to Barnes and
Noble.

I had a dream about looking for
it, but but you know how we’ve

been like dealing with trying to
find magazines lately.

It’s become a very depressing
and arduous task.

So I’m I like confirmed with
them.

They say they’re at Barnes and
Noble.

So I’m really crossing my
fingers.

So that is true and that they
have this issue.

I hope so.
Please pick me up a copy.

I will.
I was going to.

I was going to suggest that I do
that.

Yes, Yeah.
We only get a few pictures of

Drew herself, but I loved that
there was like so many tattoo

peaks and all of them, we love a
tattoo.

You’re getting all cozy in her
home, but you have a funny

follow up to this being her home
like.

This is so weird.
So the whole feature there’s

like dozens of pictures of the
house, this really cool article

talking about how she found it
and blah blah blah blah.

As of yesterday, it’s being
sold.

I like randomly came across that
info today and I’m I’m like

having whiplash because like, do
you think she did this magazine

to to feature the house?
I don’t know.

I don’t.
I don’t feel like she would do.

That I don’t either.
But I know that’s the thing with

Architectural Digest, like,
well, a lot of times people know

that couples are gonna get
divorced when they get featured

in there.
They’re trying to get publicity

for the house before they split
up and sell it.

Whoa cuz it could be like
featured in?

Our digest, Yeah, the video that
I found for the listing

literally says like Wall Street
Journal featured home because

the Wall Street Journal had an
article about it, which is

behind a paywall.
Hi guys.

Just a quick editor’s note to
say, we have a little quote from

the Wall Street Journal that
explains Drew putting the house

up for sale so soon after
purchasing at.

She said that the overhaul they
did on the home took longer than

they anticipated.
And then during that time, her

family’s needs had changed,
leaving them without this need

for the countryside sanctuary
that that home provided.

But we will say a little bit
more about this home.

Enjoy the episode.
But I was able to find the

listing for the house and it’s,
I mean, it’s sure as hell Drew’s

house.
Her, her stamp is all over it.

The the best part?
I found something so exciting.

Yes, I.
Know, so I’m looking at all the

pictures and I’m like, oh,
there’s a there’s like a family

member picture.
Oh, there’s you know, Dolores

Costello.
Cool.

And then I see like, oh, there’s
John Barrymore on the mantle.

And I zoom in a little more, and
right next to this picture of

her grandfather is the picture
of her great aunt Ethel that we

gave to her for her 50th
birthday.

Yay.
I can’t even believe it.

Like, shocked and amazed and
honored.

I got very, like, touched about
it, just seeing it on such a,

like, right in the middle of her
fireplace Mantel.

How cool.
Is that, I mean, if you guys

don’t know, we’ve been lucky
enough to spot things we’ve

given her in previous home
photographs, particularly Carson

Terrace.
But this was cool to see.

Yeah.
It’s like one of the coolest

things is for us to know that
she’s been able to, like, really

appreciate something you’ve
given her.

Like, I mean, you know, we’re
giving her stuff of her family.

Like, we’re just kind of like,
tugging at her heartstrings.

Like, it’s not surprising, but
it’s also like, wait, that’s us.

We.
But you got to think how many

gifts is she given on the
regular?

Hundreds I’m sure.
And to know that like we are

getting it right to the point
she’s like displaying it in a

prominent place in her home
makes me feel like we’re doing

good.
We did a good job with that

birthday gift.
Yes.

And we had no idea where we’re
going to come across this.

We Ashley, did not know we were
going to find out Drew was

selling this house.
That she just featured like all

of this was a surprise.
As of today, as of a couple

hours ago.
So thanks too for enjoying our

gift and totally baffled about
this house sale and.

Yeah, great find.
Thanks.

All right.
So lastly, before we get into

the Q&A, there are two new
episodes of Hollywood Squares

that came out last week.
Last week and the week.

Before.
OK, so the 15th and 16th episode

of Hollywood Squares have been
released.

I have watched them.
They’re great.

OK, let’s go through the bonus
round facts.

These were both pretty random,
OK #1 true or false?

Drew owns a hot air balloon.
False.

I liked I sent you like a
screenshot of Drew’s face when

the person was like, gonna say
true or false and she had a look

on her face like, you better not
think I actually own a hot air

balloon.
Yes.

And then true or false, Drew has
been arrested for shoplifting

False and like it almost.
I almost could believe it like

when she was like 12 or 13.
But I think we would have known

about that by now.
Right, I guess.

Did she get caught shoplifting
or is that just in the movie?

See you in the morning.
Oh, yeah, you’re right.

It does happen.
And maybe that’s why I’m like, I

bet it could have happened when
she was 12 or 13.

Yeah, it’s in that movie.
It is, right?

Yeah.
But I don’t, I don’t think she

was arrested anyway.
Yeah, the answer is false.

The answer is false.
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So are we ready to get into the
questions that have been asked

by some of our listeners?
Let’s do it.

Let’s do it.
OK, so you have kind of sorted

these into categories.
So we’re going to start with

questions about Drew’s career.
It’s always kind of fun for us

to just like, I don’t know,
spitball some of these things,

right?
OK, so the first question, do

you think appearances by Luke
Wilson, Bill Murray and Tom

Green on Drew’s show are any
indication any of them may

appear in the new Charlie’s
Angels film currently being

written?
I, I mean, I don’t know.

My thoughts are I have no idea.
It would be exciting if like

maybe like one of them would
appear, but I doubt it.

From that list, I could only see
Luke making any sense.

Tom Green obviously has weird
feelings about Drew because he

unfollows and follows her on
Instagram, and he blocked us for

unknown reasons.
So like, I’m like, he’s still

working through something with
her.

Yes.
And Bill Murray wouldn’t.

No, I don’t think so.
But I could see Luke coming back

as Pete.
Yeah, that would be cute if our

angels are truly going to be in
the new one, which I believe

they are, but I we don’t just
don’t know and.

There’s, we don’t know, Yeah.
And that leads right into our

next question was, which was I
wonder if there’s any news or

updates to producing the
upcoming Charlie’s Angels movie.

So yeah, we don’t know anything
that you guys don’t know yet

other than the little hints and
clues that we’ve previously

reported on.
We’ve told you guys before.

We spoke directly to Drew about
it, and she, without saying it,

pretty much said it, but like,
they’re doing it.

So I would be very surprised if
she’s not involved with just

that conversation we had
directly with her.

Right.
Right.

And then recently, Lucy was on a
red carpet, and during an

interview, she said that she and
Drew and Cameron had just had

lunch together.
So hopefully that’s a good sign,

too.
Yeah.

I mean, we’re hopeful.
We’re very hopeful.

And we’ve like they’ve said for
years that they want to do it.

And now it’s just a matter of us
like getting the official

confirmation that that that it
is happening, that they are

doing it, you know, all that
stuff.

But basically, we know we it’s
very, very, very likely that,

yes, that Drew is producing it
and in it.

OK.
So next, in your opinion, what

are the odds that Drew will make
a return to the horror genre in

a lead role?
That’s a fun question.

I don’t know.
I would say I see her next lead

role or even like large role,
either being one of two things.

Something super like expected
like an Adam Sandler movie or

something totally out of left
field like maybe a horror movie.

Like I don’t think there’s going
to be something in the middle.

I think it’s going to be 1 or
the other I feel.

Like, I feel like I could almost
see her doing a horror movie

like, many years from now for
some reason.

I yeah, I don’t know why.
Like I can see her doing it like

as an older woman or something.
You know, did you see Uma

Thurman on the show this week?
She like, she’s promoting a

horror movie that she has like,
an interesting role in.

And I was like, I could see
you’re doing that.

Like, you’re totally right.
Like later on down the line, I

could see her doing just
something, just wanting to do

something so different than what
was expected of her.

Right.
But I guess I don’t know if it

would be a lead role.
I don’t know.

I’m not really sure.
I don’t have like a lot of

instinct here, but I I don’t
know, I mean I.

Feel like genre people would
love to have her back in the

game, of course, like she did so
many interesting genre movies

early in her career.
And then, you know, aside from

the smile to cameo, which I
don’t think really counts, It’s

been a long time.
So we’ll we’ll say we hope.

How about that?
Yeah, OK.

I like this question.
Did Drew keep any outfits or

props for many films?
So she has actually spoken about

this quite a few times, and she
says that she really almost has

never saved anything.
And she seems to kind of bemoan

it, which I’m like, yeah, girl.
Like that’s why we’re here and

that’s why we are preserving her
legacy because she doesn’t think

to do it.
We’re doing it for her, yeah.

Yeah, she does of course, have
the red cowboy hat that she wore

as Gertie in ET.
That’s like pretty much the only

major, you know, identifiable
prop.

She’s also mentioned once that
she saved this like random tape

dispenser from He’s just not
that into you.

That was like, I think it was on
her desk as a prop and she

really liked it.
So.

She asked.
She could keep it.

But like, I don’t even know if
you can see it in the movie.

That’s funny.
And we know she has a couple

wigs.
Like supposedly she has the Full

Throttle hot dog on a stick wig
and it was reworked into a 51st

Dates wig.
Supposedly.

Supposedly, yeah, but yeah,
that’s about it.

So we I’m, we have more from her
movies than she does, truly.

Yeah, I like that question,
though, because I like thinking

about it.
I love when people say that

they, like, saved something from
a film.

I know.
Oh, my God.

I just thought of the like, who
was it that came on her show who

had taken an, like, a paper
towel from her house?

Leslie Bibb.
Not a paper towel.

It was a yeah.
That was hilarious.

Yeah.
It was really fun.

I love.
And I think that we Drew must

have said this.
I’m pretty sure she said it was

one of the towels that she
bought for her wedding to Tom

Green.
Yes.

Remember how all the napkins
were, like, thrifted and yes,

like a vintage thing?
Yeah.

OK, so the last question in the
Drew’s career category, where to

watch Ever After please?
So it is currently streaming on

a few platforms.
It’s on Disney Plus right now.

And also you can rent it from
Prime Video for 299.

Just buy the DVD and have it
around.

Yeah, or it’s Blu-ray.
The Blu-ray has a really pretty,

like very different artwork on
it that I don’t think I’ve ever

put it in my my Blu-ray player,
but I’m sure it’s exactly the

same as the DVD.
Yeah, probably.

They never spend time on making
those things cool anymore.

No they don’t.
Sadly, a thing of the past.

Let’s get into some stuff about
Drew’s life.

We’re going back diving head
first into the whole hole.

So this question was, does DB
ever talk to Frances Bean Cobain

anymore?
And remember when this came up

earlier this year when she did
that show track star on YouTube,

it was the first time forever
that she’s mentioned being

Francis Bean’s godmother.
So.

But we do have reason to believe
that Drew might have attended

Francis Bean’s wedding in
October 2023 because on

Francis’s Instagram, she has
like little photo dumps.

And one of them is a picture of
Drew at a table with a rose in

like candlelight.
And it looks very similar to one

of Michael Stipe take that she
posted soon after the wedding.

And we know he officiated the
wedding.

So I feel pretty confident that
Drew did go to her wedding,

which is really sweet.
It is really sweet.

I love to imagine it so much.
I love to imagine their

relationship even though we know
like yeah nothing about it.

Like I know, but and also like,
oh it this just hit me.

What a neat full circle thing.
Because she was the flower girl

at Drew’s wedding to Tom Green.
Oh.

I forgot that, yeah.
That’s really cool.

So yes, we believe they are in
touch, which is very nice and

makes us feel warm and fuzzy.
Yeah, it really does.

OK, so then more we’re still in
the whole hole.

What do you know about Drew’s
relationship with Courtney Love?

Why aren’t they friends anymore?
We get asked this a lot.

So we have like a theory about
how Courtney had like acted out

at Drew and Tom Green’s wedding.
It’s kind of funny you just

mentioned.
That three times in like 5

minutes.
Oh my God, according to Tom’s

book.
And she like heckled Tom’s dad

during a speech and made like
some loud and rude remarks.

And as far as we know, that’s
the last time that we have like,

any evidence of Drew and
Courtney being together.

So like that it’s for me, it was
kind of like went hand in hand,

like, oh, maybe after, you know,
this is per Tom Green’s book.

We don’t know.
This is all allegedly.

But maybe after she acted like
rudely towards Tom’s family,

maybe Drew was like ready to
take a break from her.

And that break continues.
I was very interested to hear

the really cool things that Drew
had to say about Courtney when

Melissa was on the show.
Me too.

I mean, there was not at that
time, especially in the 90s,

which was really the onset of so
many male oriented bands.

There was not this woman, this
force like Courtney Love.

I mean she was jaw-dropping when
she walked into a room.

You were blown back.
She has such a for such a

presence and an intellect that
can slay the most smartest

dragon you’ve ever met.
Do not ever mess with that woman

on a book or a subject or a
historical or an art.

The woman is the most well read
person I’ve ever met.

She is brilliant.
I love that little aside.

Yeah, it’s so.
I mean, clearly Drew still has

respect for her.
And I don’t remember if you

noticed this, but Courtney did
post recently because like

Courtney’s all of a sudden on
Instagram again and she’s like

very active on there.
And she reposted a video of Drew

on Watch What Happens Live where
somebody called in and said tell

me a crazy story from about.
The thing about the like them

going to a door and be like my
face is the backstage pass that

thing.
Yes.

So I kind of love that Courtney,
like, posted that recently.

I don’t know.
I would not be surprised at all

to find out that she was going
to come on the show.

I think that would be a win, win
for both of them.

Like publicity wise, so many
people, we get asked this a lot.

Like so many people are
interested in their friendship

and what happened.
Why did they lose touch?

Yeah, people would be tuning in
for that.

So my fingers are crossed that
that happens.

And I think Melissa’s appearance
could be like the bridge to

that.
Yeah, that’d be fun.

So the rest of the questions are
kind of more for directed at Ann

and I, you know, our opinions or
our favorites or whatever.

So let’s get into those.
The first one is this is a very

specific question.
What are your top three favorite

songs from the Charlie’s Angels
soundtrack?

So I went through on IMDb like
every song that’s in the movie.

I didn’t just use like the ones
that made it to the official

soundtrack and my choices would
be smack my bitch up because the

use of it in the movie.
I think I went on and on about

it, our Charlie’s Angels
episode.

Like I love it so.
Freaky.

So perfect.
Song 2 by Blur, which is just

like such a fun song, so great.
And then all the small things

Blink 182 because it makes me
like super happy.

And I think about the end of the
movie with the bloopers and.

Yeah, I love it.
I love your choices already.

I just had to say I always get
pumped when I hear Barracuda.

So I don’t know if it was my
list maybe I would replace.

I don’t know.
I love the all the small things

but I might replace that with
Barracuda as like a pump up.

Sort of like song.
Yeah, I almost I almost put that

on the list cuz it is so.
Barracuda, Barracuda, so good.

OK, so next question for us, did
Drew somehow influence your

musical preferences?
I love this question.

The first thing that came to my
mind was The Strokes, because I

definitely got into the Strokes
when she was dating Fabrizio

Moretti.
And like, I might have anyway

because they were very much in
the ether and they were all

around.
And I, you know, I was listening

to K Rock and of course I was
going to listen to The Strokes,

but I feel like I got really
into them because of her dating

him.
And I mean, I still really love

them.
Like I tried to go see them when

they came to Vegas last year and
I did not have any luck and I’m

still mad about it.
But yeah, they.

So that’s the like first one I
think of, but there’s definitely

been so many songs like The
Beatles song.

I will, you know, like I went
and found that when I knew she

liked, right.
Like I’ve definitely been

influenced by her.
Her musical taste is way broader

than mine.
Super broad she likes.

Everything.
She likes a lot of stuff and I

feel like she doesn’t.
She didn’t necessarily influence

my musical preferences, but I do
remember, I think I looked up

Mazzy Star because of her love
for the song Blue Light.

And if I hear that, of course,
me too.

Yeah.
So if I hear that, and I love

Mazzy Star, so I feel like me
too being introduced by her and

her story has made me like, yes,
stick with oh, my God, Like,

same.
But it would have been those

things.
Like, if I heard it, I would

have liked it anyway.
Like, maybe like what you’re

saying.
But like, I definitely still

blink it.
Like if I hear The Strokes, I’m

thinking of Fab and Drew, you
know, And if I hear that song

Blue Light, I’m thinking of Drew
and Erick Erlandson.

We’re in the whole.
Holy back in the whole We can’t.

Get out of it.
Get out.

Of it, yeah.
There’s just so many songs that

I’m like, oh, I know this
because of Drew or like she put

this in one of her movies and I
like it because it has that

affiliation.
Yeah.

She’s like a great person to
influence your musical

preferences and she still has
those.

Like I think there’s like up to

Remember when I like got on that
project where I like saved, I

did like a spreadsheet of all I.
Forgot that you did that.

So yeah, I mean her, her taste
is all over the place and she’s

a music aficionado.
Yes, she is.

OK, Next question is what’s your
number one item to get for your

collection?
So I think that means most

wanted item that we don’t
already have.

My recent in my mind I’ve been
thinking about this and I’ll

tell you why currently I really
would love to have a book from

her personal library with her
annotations We talked about this

I know yeah.
Because like in in style 99, she

said how whenever she finishes a
book she writes Dee Barrymore in

the front I think is what she
says and we know she annotates

the shit out of her books like
she’ll bring them on to her show

when she’s interviewing the
authors and like she’ll show her

personal copy and it’s like dog
eared underlined her writing is

everywhere.
That would be a dream to me.

And one of the reasons I’ve been
thinking about it lately is I

become friendly with the girl
who runs the Shelley Duvall

Archive.
Do you know?

Yeah.
And she just, like, at a

secondhand bookstore, found a
book that was Shelley’s, and it

was like, gonna be for a film.
So there’s tons of notes in it.

Like, Oh my God, that is the
dream.

Like that is incredible.
That’s so cool.

I mean, I’m basically basically
I would say the same thing or

something similar, but what I
just thought of as like an

annotated script would be really
cool.

Too totally.
Oh I would love that.

Like does she saved her scripts?
I I it’s so hard to know she’s

never.
And I’ll just go back to the

book thing, I guess.
She says she like never gets rid

of books too.
Yeah, it’s like, I know.

I thought about that when I was
this.

I’m like bled.
It’s never going to happen.

We’ll just have to ask her for
it.

Can you donate like one of your
favorite most annotated books?

And we will keep it in the
archive.

We’ll preserve it for you.
The other item that like is

another recent thing that I have
to mention is the butterfly

wings from Mark Seliger’s photo
shoot for U.S. magazine.

The issue that came out in 1997
but was shot in 96.

I recently lost out on those on
an auction and I’m still very

very sad about it And I’m like,
it was.

So crazy for them to come up in
the first place.

I know they were like perfectly
preserved, beautiful, and I

don’t know who bought them.
I don’t know who outbid me.

If you’re out there, please know
that we want them more than you

do.
Maybe.

It’s maybe it’s Drew.
Drew got them all right, fine.

She has them.
She’s a lot.

Yeah, this.
But anyone else this question

about like things we want for
our collection.

I feel like it’s always really
hard.

We like have so much.
We could go on.

For but it’s also like the
things that we want are things

almost that we don’t know exist,
you know, like that’s kind of

the hard thing, like because we
have such such big collection,

like if you think of it all as a
whole, it’s quite it’s quite

vast, y’all.
OK, next question is favorite Co

star besides Cameron Diaz or
Adam Sandler?

OK so I was just trying to think
like who’s my personal favorite

person who’s been in films with
her?

It’s got to be Matthew Lillard
who’s in Mad Love and Scream

even though they barely appear
on screen together.

They never speak to each other
on either.

Like she’s like outside the
window in Mad Love when he’s

like they share a shot for like

And that’s as much as I’ve
gotten because I just love him.

And I won’t go off on a tangent,
but I see him having this like,

resurgence.
What’s going on right now is

wild.
And like, I’m so happy for him.

You know what?
I was just thinking about that

picture, the like of the first
time you met him from like 99

and how like he’s always at like
conventions like that’s he like

does them a lot.
And I was thinking about.

The funny thing is that
convention was not a fan

convention.
So that was like an industry

only you had to have like a
badge you it was not like

something you could buy tickets
to and it was for video store

owners.
So like that’s obviously, yeah.

So all these celebrities would
come to like promote their movie

that was or whatever that they
had coming out on video.

And so like the studio would
send them funny.

So yeah, it was kind of like a
pre convention convention.

Now he does them all the time,
but I’m like, oh, like I met you

at one that wasn’t for fans, but
it turned me into fans.

He’s such he’s.
So sweet with fans.

My God beyond and he’s still
like every once in a while he’ll

message me on Instagram and I’m
just like, what is my life?

He’s like Milla is so grown up.
How is this happening.

I’m like, how do you know who my
child is?

So funny.
OK, so my answer to this

question, you made me think of
another one, but I I put Sam

Rockwell.
I mean, we I we always love

seeing him with drew.
I mean, this is different

because I’m talking about like
somebody that’s like the

connection.
But then when you said, like,

one of your favorite people, I’m
like, OK, Jake Gyllenhaal.

Also is like.
One of my favorite Co stars of

hers, but in a different way,
you know?

So that’s a perfect answer.
I guess if I was going to say in

a like as a Co star
specifically, I think Sam is

probably the best answer you
could give because like their

their chemistry is so good
together and I just love seeing

them on screen together.
So perfect answer.

Nice one.
I like that.

Yours was good too.
We.

Cannot mention Matthew Lillard
every once in a while.

He’s just so lovely.
All right, this one is.

What is your favorite?
Drew B?

Not Drewbie, Drew Space B era.
So I have like personal

nostalgia for 98-99 because that
is when I was becoming an Uber

fan.
So anything from that time I get

like sentimental about, but I
don’t feel like anything can top

94-95 because of the feeling of
excitement that I get when

something from that like bubbles
up or surfaces like, and just

how freaking cool, effortlessly
cool she was at that time.

What did Melissa call her?
A beautiful Pixie Stardust.

Yeah, yeah, like exactly that,
Exactly that.

Basically, I’m saying I’m going
to say the same thing as you.

I’m just extending the timeline
from 94 to 96 because of the

black hair and she still seems
like the effortless coolness.

I mean, it’s it’s so funny.
Like we talk about so much how

like time is so weird and how
like, you know, 98 is not that

long after 95.
But it feels like she was just

her career was changing so much
and she was like becoming this

like sweetheart more than this,
like Pixie, like wild girl, you

know, that she was in like 100,
you know, so totally different

vibes.
So I’m like the same.

We love the same.
And it’s funny because 96 is

like the bridge, right?
It’s where she, and we think

it’s because of her
relationships a little bit, but

she goes from the like wild, you
know, hanging with hole to the

like a little more sophisticated
and branching into different

types of jobs and all that.
And thinking about family and

like.
Yeah, yeah.

I mean.
Even like the dark hair sort of

like brings her into this like
different phase of her life.

Like, I don’t know.
Going.

Dark.
She’s like, I’m going dark.

I’m growing up.
I don’t know.

I love it.
I love it.

OK, second to last question,
what is your all time favorite

moment in Drew history?
This is really hard like.

That is, I was like, I wrote
impossible because like, how do

you pick one moment?
Yeah, but like, and this isn’t

my answer.
I’m just saying like where my

mind goes to automatically is
something where she was like

really honored or recognized.
So some of the things like I

can’t say these are my
favorites, but some of the

things I would say would be like
getting the Hollywood Walk of

Fame star in 2004, so special.
Like getting the Golden Globe

Award in 2010.
Even her 50th birthday episode

is really, really special.
Not just because we were there,

but like seeing her get to
reunite with the Wards and like

getting that honorary doctorate
or whatever wish that they gave

her.
Like, anything where she was

really like, given recognition
for being as awesome as she is

is very like, special.
I basically couldn’t answer it.

Like I’m like all time favorite
moment?

Yeah, I mean 1 moment.
I was like.

Oh, like I was like thinking
like, oh, like her flashing

David Letterman is kind of fun,
but like it’s not my favorite

moment in her whole history that
it’s really that’s a that’s a

great question.
But also, like you can see,

we’re interested in so much of
Drew’s history and like we have

a podcast that goes into so
much.

So I like the question, but it’s
it’s too hard.

We like too much of her long
public life and history like.

I mean, essentially almost 50
years.

Yeah, that’s hard to pick.
One little tiny break.

Right.
I like where you went though,

because then it’s like, you
know, that’s what we want.

We want her to be celebrated.
That’s what we’re doing.

So exactly.
OK, final question, and this

comes from the lovely Tony
Crago, who if you guys don’t

know, he worked with Drew as her
assistant for several years.

He’s been on the podcast twice.
He’s awesome and he’s very

supportive of us because his
question is, when are you going

to have DB on the podcast?
It’s time.

Good question, Tony.
I like your thinking, yes.

We are wondering the same thing,
but we do not have an answer.

No, but he did give us some like
helpful advice and support and

I’m not ruling it out.
I think it’s within our reach

and I think it will happen one
day.

That’s that’s what I got.
To say, and I think that there

is that like of course
manifesting that we’re doing,

but also like it feels very.
Possible.

Yeah, as weird as that is to
say, it does feel attainable.

Guys, somehow, somehow that that
is that is possible.

Somehow she knows who we are.
I know, that’s so crazy.

Crazy weird.
Yes, all right.

OK, that’s it.
That’s all the questions.

We did get like some other like
comments and some people like

trying to talk directly to Drew
through that, that Channel that

doesn’t work.
Guys doesn’t, sorry.

Much like the people who send us
emails about their beautiful

items not working the way they
want, You can’t.

You can’t send that stuff to
Drew through US.

We’re sorry.
We’re very sorry that we can’t

get your messages complaining
about her pants to her.

Or her her pants and pants.
As our most recent emails

stated, these people are a
little out there.

A little bit, a little bit,
guys.

Thank you so much for all of
your questions though these.

What we’re fun to do is just
kind of like something

different.
Something different, Yeah.

I was gonna say like kind of
change the format a little,

break it up a little bit and you
know, hopefully people enjoy

hearing U.S. chat with each
other and that’s really what.

This is exactly.
So thank you guys for your

questions.
Thank you for listening.

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subscribe.

We’re always watching.
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Is there going to be one for this?
I guess there will be, because

yeah, I’ll.
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How Do You Drew Episode 126 – Flower Films

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I’m Anne.
And I’m Ashley, and this week we

are discussing Drew’s production
company, Flower Films finally.

Yeah, finally.
This felt daunting, guys.

But I think we like knew all
along.

We had all this stuff.
It just was like, felt scary.

But this is big.
So we’re so excited to be doing

flower films.
Yeah, as per usual, like with so

many of our topics, I go, oh,
this is a lot.

It’s gonna be a lot of work.
And then like I start and it’s

just like, oh, I’ve got this.
She’s said so much over the

years about it.
Yeah.

All right, so let’s get into
some stuff at the top of the

episode.
So this is kind of a fun.

What do we even?
I think we should talk about

this.
OK, so I don’t even know.

Is it a tidbit about us?
What is this?

I got a text message from
someone.

I didn’t quite know who it was.
It turns out it was someone that

works with Drew on her team and
we were asked if we could help

donate something for her
daughter’s school for a charity

auction.
And so Ashley was able to like,

quickly come up with a spare ET
lunchbox send on over.

I mean by quickly come up with I
was like, I know exactly where

this is from, where I packed it
to go on the Drew Barrymore

show.
So here we go.

I had to have I happen to have
two and yeah, it was just a

really neat like I think we’ve
sort of bemoaned the fact on the

podcast that we used to like be
able to help out with things and

like no one’s really utilizing
us lately, but one of her people

utilized us.
So thank you.

That was.
Cool.

Yeah, thank you.
You know who you are if you’re

listening.
Yeah, I think the auction is

tomorrow as of the date that
we’re recording this.

So hopefully it goes for a lot
of money.

Yeah, that would be really nice.
I mean, it was just cool to be

able to leak.
Oh wow, like.

Yeah, neat.
Be thought of and participate.

Yeah, our archive is useful.
And it was very sweet.

We got a little note from this
person that works for her.

And it says DB is very, very
happy about this.

So yay.
You’re welcome, Drew.

We want to make her day shine
just like, how do I say that?

We want to make her day bright
just like she makes everyone

else’s.
Like it’s cool to be able to

like, I don’t know, give to this
person who gives so much.

To other people.
I don’t know.

We’ve always kind of done that.
That’s been our way with her.

We’re like, you take things like
we don’t you give us so much

already like.
It’s so true.

So we have a few things that
Drew has proclaimed her love for

recently.
I love, love.

Yeah, it’s a little shorter this
time around, but let’s get into

it.
Drew loves her past.

We do too over here.
Interesting.

Spend a lot of time talking
about it.

She loves her alone.
Time like Lucy at the diner with

her crossword puzzle in her
book.

Totally.
She loves a food competition.

That’s cute.
What do they call it on her

show?
There isn’t a silly name.

Competition, dish or some dish
competition?

That sounds right.
Something like that.

Yeah.
And she loves playing the art of

chemistry.
Yeah, I was just so good at.

Does she mean like?
ROM com queen.

Oh, OK.
I was, I was like, wondering if

it meant like like.
Yeah, chemistry like.

Science.
I figured it wasn’t that but I

was like does she mean I don’t?
She means the scene in Charlie’s

Angels where she uses all the
chemistry set up to make the the

hand.
Yeah, she’s met in lit in like

blue-green and we thought green
science lighting.

Yeah, we love that too, Drew,
when you’re playing the art of

chemistry.
OK, so let’s also get into what

happened this week in Drew
History.

OK, Saint Patrick’s Day, same
day that this podcast is coming

out.
Happy Saint Patrick’s Day, my

green loving friend.
I’m.

I’m wearing green.
Yeah, you are.

This has nothing to do with that
though.

It was March 17th, 2005 and Drew
was at Show West in Vegas.

So if you guys don’t know, Show
W was this convention for movie

theater owners and they would do
this like basically like actors

would come and they’d get
honored.

But a lot of times it was like
their studios were also like

promoting them.
It’s it’s kind of an interesting

thing they changed those like
Cinema Con Award.

Ceremony quote UN quote.
Yeah, yeah.

So.
Drew attended a Fox luncheon

there with Jimmy Fallon because
they were promoting Fever Pitch.

There’s some really cute photos
of them together.

And then this is the main reason
I wanted to pull this because I

kind of forgot about this.
She received what was called the

Distinguished Decade in Film
Award, which I think is like,

really neat if you think of the
timing of what that decade would

have been, 95 to 2005, because
that really is like, huge in her

career.
Like has she ever been bigger

than in those years?
That’s so cool.

I wonder is there like anything
like about what she like said

when she got the award like.
I was not able to find feeling

bang like anything.
It was very, very difficult.

It’s like 2005.
Internet isn’t really.

Around anymore?
Yeah, that’s true.

Oh, that’s cool.
Yeah.

And she’d previously won Female
Comedy Star of the Year in 2000

for Never Been Kissed.
I guess that’s where she, like,

also debuted the Charlie’s
Angels teaser trailer.

Yeah.
So she was definitely a big part

of that scene for a little
while.

But yeah, I thought that was a
cool award.

Yeah, that’s cool.
And she looks beautiful.

She’s like the dark brown hair,
which I know that like, you love

her as a blonde.
I love her with her dark hair.

And this time we like we’re
around her at least once in

this, like, time frame.
So I feel like I have like AI

don’t know, an attachment to it.
Yeah, makes sense.

Cool.
Nice pull.

OK, before we get into the
topic, let’s talk about what’s

new with Drew.
Here we go with the news,

everybody.
Well, we got to kick it off with

the hugest news is that the Drew
Barrymore Show has been renewed

not only for season 7 but also
for season 8.

So we have like 2 years that are
guaranteed ahead of us because I

don’t know if you know, but like
Kelly Clarkson and I think

somebody else recently, maybe
Jennifer Hudson, somebody else’s

shows got cancelled and everyone
was like, oh is talk show?

Is it dead like So?
I was very relieved when this

news came out.
Yeah, that’s great.

So exciting.
And that means we have two more

years to go visit again.
Yay, that’s.

Such a good point.
Like we.

Know where she’s gonna.
Be We know where she’s gonna be

true.
We know where to find you.

I’m sorry.
That’s not creepy at all.

No, you don’t need to be creepy.
We have direct access according

to her.
Remember, yes, always have,

always will.
Yes, exactly.

That’s what she said.
Guys, she said.

We have direct access.
OK, so this was really neat.

So on the Drew Barrymore Show,
Drew actually spoke for what I

believe is the first time ever
publicly about her George

magazine cover from 1996.
Of course, this is the one where

she’s done up as Marilyn Monroe
and the Happy Birthday Mr.

President vibes.
We have a whole Marilyn Monroe

and Drew episode from last year.
We definitely talk about, like,

a little more details about this
there, so you can go check that

out.
But it turns out that she’d

actually given a small interview
for a 2024 book called JFK

Junior in intimate oral history.
I think Val said, like, she

knows the author, and that the
author told Val that Drew was

the absolute last interview,
like barely made it before

press.
Yeah, like or printing was

happening.
That’s so cool.

They’re like, we got to get this
in.

Yeah, and thank God they did.
So I was able to, like, get it

from my library and quickly look
up.

There’s only two little
paragraphs from Drew, but

there’s, like, more people
talking about the cover.

But Drew shared that John JFK
Junior had called her and told

her his idea.
And she wanted to, like, get a

clear understanding of what the
vibe would be.

And when she learned that he
wanted to make sure that the

dress and the hair were right
and that the tone was going to

be playful, she was, like,
totally into it.

And she says that she was
terrified to try to portray

Marilyn, which is so funny
because it’s like not that long

after doing sugar in Batman
Forever, which is like a Marilyn

homage.
Yeah.

But she tried to channel Marilyn
and make it perfect for John.

And she loved how the issue came
out.

So it was just so like, we love
that one.

It’s one of those weird.
Like there’s literally 2 photos

in the magazine and that’s all
that’s ever come out.

So it’s kind of like it’s, I
don’t know.

It’s real special.
Yeah.

It’s like it’s own.
Thing.

Yeah, very much.
OK, so a couple other new things

before we get into the topic.
It’s kind of cool.

Like, we get a little like, flow
of new things because Drews in

the, you know, daytime
spotlight, she’s in the

spotlight.
So Drew LED a conversation with

Valerie Bertinelli with 92 New
York to celebrate Valerie’s new

book.
It’s called Getting Naked.

Yes, yeah, well, you can watch,
I guess you can stream it for

$25.00.
But we’re both like, that’s a

lot of money.
But Drew looks beautiful in the

pictures that went up on Getty.
I’m guessing they didn’t let

people bring their phones in
because there’s no like, tagged.

Photos.
OK, I’ll say something about the

look really quick.
The shoes look totally like a

show wearing them.

I love these shoes.
These are totally my vibe.

Yeah, don’t they look like?
I feel like they remind me of

something from like 94.
I think they might look like the

ones she wore to that
indiscretions play.

I just 19. 95 I just like as you
were starting to say it, I

started like really like think
of the blue silky dress.

Yeah, yeah, you’re totally
right.

It looks like those and she I’ve
seen her.

I’ve seen them on the show
recently and thought like those

look like something else from
her past and they love pinpoint

it.
But yeah, they’re very cute.

One other thing I just want to
quickly say about Val’s book is

that she’s like, you know, they
did a whole like 2 part episode

on the show promoting it, which
is really sweet, right?

And you know, Drew was
commending her at some point for

a lot about the book.
And Val says, well, you know, I

had a lot of help.
I couldn’t have done this

without Todd Gold.
And then Drew’s like, I know

it’s just crazy.
Todd Gold, he wrote Little Girl

Lost and I’m like that we just
talked to him.

That’s so cool.
Like if you Google Todd Gold,

Little Girl lost right now, like
our videos come up immediately,

which is so neat.
I know.

I would love to think that
Drew’s seen our talk with him.

I hope.
I just like thought about that.

I don’t know why I hadn’t
thought about that before.

That’s wild.
And also, I think we knew that

Valerie Bertinelli knows Todd
Gold, right?

Like did they write a previous
book together or they’re.

Friends, or at least one.
Yeah.

It was fun to learn that he also
did this book, so that’s so

cool.
Go, Todd.

That’s fun.
It’s a fun connection for a

Drew and Val.
It is.

I’m interested to read it.
I mean, I think it sounds like

it’s like an honest, I don’t
know.

Yeah, I’ll probably get to it.
I like celebrity memoirs, as I

often talk about on the show.
In fact, right now I’m waiting

for Christina Applegate, so I’m
also very excited to read that

one.
Yeah.

OK, just a couple more things.
Hollywood Squares, there’s been

a little bit of a short break,
so just you guys know it is

coming back.
I think it’s actually coming on

tonight, the day we’re recording
this.

Yeah.
And as of right now, according

to like press releases, there
will be at least 21 total

episodes for the season, and
they’re currently scheduled to

air through May.
So we got plenty more to come

and we will be doing our fun
little segments about those next

time.
Yay, I just watched the last two

that we talked about on the
previous.

Episode OK.
Finally caught up on those.

Yeah.
Such, so much fun.

Guys.
I know we’ve said it before, but

we love having like the daytime
Drew and this like, sort of like

nighttime Drew.
Yeah, she’s kind of getting that

out of her sometimes.
These last two I watched like

there were multiple times where
like they’re like Drew, that’s

too much for the beginning of
the show.

Like, I don’t even remember what
it was, but it was like, this is

Drew’s outlet.
I think somebody says you’re

someone’s mom and she’s like
forget.

Everything.
Oh yeah, yeah, that’s right.

I remember that.
So the last thing that we have

is that Us Weekly’s newest Love
Drew feature is coming.

Thankfully, Yay.
The Dear Drew column was posted

on their website already and
includes a question about

flirting from our friend Katie.
Hi.

Katie, Hi, Katie.
That’s.

Cool, I feel like she’s.
She’s like, OK, I guess I have

to do that.
I’m like, yeah, she’s done it

before.
She had a question in True

Magazine too, so that’s I know.
So potentially this will come

out in the May 23rd issue.
It’s not like a previous or

current issue.
It’s something that’s maybe

coming up so.
Yay, I’ll be watching.

And I love that we know it’s
coming up.

Yes cuz we missed them so
quickly.

I think I got the last 1 I
think.

I have, I think I’ve had to get
the last three on eBay. eBay

because I keep missing it.
It’s I.

Probably missed some, but you
know what?

They’re in the Jerusalem because
you have them.

Like that’s right, all okay.
It’s all okay, guys.

We take care of each other.
Right.

I’ll just say one more thing
about that.

I love paper.
Yeah, yes.

Not as weeklies paper though,
no.

No speaking.
Of paper, I’ll just say one more

thing, actually kind of going
back to Hollywood Squares.

There was a contestant who was
like a map librarian from Los

Angeles Public Library.
Was still waiting for Drew to

say something about.
That I was like, especially

’cause he’s like, I have a
Thomas Guide or like whatever he

says, I was like.
I like to think that she said

something and it just got cut
for time.

I know.
Anyway, I was so like, that’s so

up Drew’s alley of like
something she would think was so

cool.
Yes, exactly.

I thought of her rubbing the.
I thought I’ve is it this?

Paper.
Paper.

Yeah.
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I love getting involved
creatively in everything I do.

I definitely have another side
to me that is business savvy and

that loves to be able to get in
there, you know, with a bunch of

men and, and have a group of
women that are totally on it and

that have great ideas and, and
are getting things accomplished

in this world.
Power to me in this business is

not having to crawl and campaign
and like, you know, drive

yourself nuts every night and
take it personally and go home

and just feel like awful.
So that was Drew talking in late

production company, Flower

Films.
And I thought it was just a good

way to kick us off because it
really, you know, this is like

such an old clip of her talking
about it.

We’re really going to talk a lot
about the beginnings and the

origins of the company.
So yeah, let’s start there.

OK, so a note before we like
dive in because there’s a lot we

could potentially do with this
episode.

We have episodes that go deeper
into the productions of many of

Drew Drew’s films that Flower
was involved in.

So we’re just going to list some
here because there’s a bunch.

For more details on those, check
out our episodes on Scream, the

Wedding Singer, Ever After,
Never been Kissed, All of the

Other Reindeer, Charlie’s
Angels, Donnie Darko, 51st

Dates, Fever Pitch and Whip it.
That’s amazing.

We’ve done for all of.
I know I was feeling really

proud of that too.
Guys, we’ve been around for a

minute.
I know, but a lot of those we do

really talk about those like
beginning early production

stages and what Drew went
through to like, get it off the

ground.
So, you know, we could have gone

into all of that here.
That’s going to take too long.

But if there’s a certain movie
that you want to know more

about, like what was her
involvement or what was she

doing or you know what, how did
that go?

Yeah, head on over to all those
episodes and I’ll link to all of

them on the episode page on How
do you.

Awesome.
Wow.

I feel proud.
That’s cool.

OK, so let’s get into the
beginning.

So we’re just like literally
we’re like looking at where the

like buds of the of like flower
films are.

Yeah.
Like it hadn’t, it hadn’t opened

up in bloom just.
Yeah, that’s just, I didn’t.

Even realize I said buds and
we’re talking about flowers.

I thought that was intentional,
I mean.

You’d think I was that clever.
Anyways, so the inspiration to

start the company, we’re
starting there.

We have talked about this also.
So Drew was very inspired by how

Lynda Obst, which is the
producer of Bad Girls, how she

handled the production of that
movie.

She says who I am is because of
Lynda.

She talked about that on the
Drew Barrymore Show episode.

Like the Bad Girls themed
episode of.

That Yeah.
And Lynda, like, sent a video

in.
She’s since passed away.

So it’s like.
I was realizing that.

I’m glad Drew had that moment
where she got to like have a

little video from her ’cause I
remember she was really excited

about it was super sweet.
Exactly.

So a quote from Drew from 1997,
she said somehow Lynda managed

to be holding the hand of
stuntwoman who got hurt on the

phone with the studio, fighting
for what was right for the film

and dealing with all the
bullshit that would go on

between the actresses.
I thought, I don’t want to be

that that guy who stands on the
sidelines and complaints.

I want to get in there and make
a difference.

That’s cool.
So she was like really inspired

by this, like Strong.
An awesome lady.

Who was, like doing all this and
problem solving?

It’s such an image in my head
too, because of like just the

production of bad girls.
It’s just like the turmoil,

like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So.

It does need to have that and
like know a bit.

Have we?
We’ve covered bad girls, right?

So we no.
No, we haven’t.

We just have talked about it a
lot, right?

When, when did we talk about?
We must have talked about Lynda

when she passed.
Yeah, we talked about Lynda a

handful of times.
Yeah, OK, so bad girls will get

eventually.
Event.

Yeah, I guess.
OK, so let’s listen to a little

audio from inside the Actors
Studio.

That was the movie that really
changed my life in a weird way.

Well, started getting ideas and
I started getting excited about

the process of like getting
involved creatively.

And I met a producer on that who
I could see her on the phone all

the time fighting for these
battles and whether she would

win them or not.
I thought, Oh my God, what if I

was like fighting for battles
and I could win some.

I know I’d lose a lot, but God
like what if I could?

And I just all of a sudden
everything clicked and I was

like, I’m going to be a
producer.

I love that.
I love that.

I love the look on her face.
Yeah, she like has this like

epiphany, realization face.
I don’t know the like Eureka

faded out face.
I love that.

And it’s also just like, so
cool, like a badass woman in

Hollywood inspiring another
badass woman in Hollywood.

Like, yeah, we need more of
that, yeah.

Totally.
Drew has also said, I was like,

that’s what I want to do.
I want to produce.

I want to be a problem solver.
Yeah.

And she’s also shared the fact
that after losing everything in

her career, she’s always been
afraid that it would somehow be

taken away again.
Like this is always.

Something she still.
Talks about yeah, yeah.

It’s like, thank God the Drew
Barrymore Show just got renewed.

For two, of course, because she
probably was fearful that it.

Was like not going to go that.
Way I’m sure every day she’s

worried that it’s going to go.
Away totally.

She says.
That.

Yeah, I know.
But she also said that she

thought, well, maybe if she
created things for herself, they

wouldn’t have the chance to go
away so quickly.

So totally makes sense to like
also, you know, I don’t think we

really put this in here, but
this is at a time where she’s

being like kind of typecast as
these like lethal Lolita’s and

these types of roles.
And she’s like wants to create

some new opportunities for
herself and forge her own path.

Right.
And we talk about this a lot in

the Marilyn Monroe episode
because of that whole like how

connection they have.
When Marilyn kind of did that,

it was to take control of her
career in a way that like no

woman had ever done, right?
So cool, so cool.

All right, so the this is really
interesting.

Buckle and guys, we have some
very weirdly exclusive secret

details that we.
Just discovered, yeah, this is

like public record stuff that
Ashley dup up, this is cool.

So Jaid incorporated what was
called Drewid Entertainment,

spelled DREWID.
Not, not that.

Not catchy.
No, not really.

I I mean I like how it sounds.
Druid sounds fun.

Drewid entertainment in December
of 1982.

So crazy.
ET was out for the summer and

then they were like, all right,
we need to like put this money

into something, I guess, which
is like.

Yeah, and it’s weird, like, I
don’t, it’s not the trust.

Yeah, it’s not the trust.
But the only thing we know

about, like, the only place
besides the, like, public

document I found of the
incorporation was that there

there was this dispute over
something with no place to hide

that film.
Yeah.

And somewhere in an article
about that, it references the

contract documents for Drew,
say, Drewid Entertainment.

So, like, interesting her deals
were being done through that.

I don’t really know.
I’d love to know.

More maybe it’s some kind of way
like for her to protect

something like yeah, amazing.
So.

So cool.
From that, the name was amended

to Flower Films in July of 1994,
which when you think of it’s

only 12 years, which that’s
weird.

That it’s weird.
It’s weird, but that’s also like

a huge amount of her life.
So Drew said that she chose

Flower because she’s a hippie.
I’m a hippie now.

She originally wanted Daisy
Films, but Marlo Thomas already

had that name.
I know.

And I was like, that’s the woman
from St. Jude.

Like what a weird full circle
moment.

I wonder if she talked about.
It yeah they had like some event

that they did yeah not that long
ago Drew decided that it was OK

because flower means all flowers
she’s.

Like she never wants to leave
anybody out, no.

She’s like, this is great.
It’s perfect.

Like flower films, it’s so
simple.

But like, I mean, of course it
is that.

So how can we imagine being
something else but like?

No, but it really does.
Like, I love how she even talks

about her movies as being like
these flowers she’s planted.

Like, it just works on so many
levels.

And then she was able to like
take that name and do flower

beauty with it, which was like
another amazing way to do that.

Also just real like wildflower
like just like it’s just her

vibe, flower beauty perfect
like.

Yeah, so good.
So cool.

So I love I love that
transition.

Weird transition from this like
old incorporated thing to flower

films.
I know.

And it gives us like, the
official date, like July 94.

Flower Films is legally a
company, like, so cool.

Yeah.
Do we know?

OK, Do you remember exactly when
Mad Love filmed?

Because I’m just curious.
Like how soon?

Very close to this time.
Like OK in that time.

It’s like during June.
July.

Oh my God.
So she, like, came back.

We’ll talk about, like, the
connection to Mad Love, I guess,

Right?
Yeah, I’m sure.

So anyway, that’s cool.
Cool.

Cool to think about how quickly
that moved.

OK, so now we get into like the
characters that were involved.

OK, so this again is sort of
erased from history.

People don’t really talk about
this so much, but originally it

was Drew and Kim Greitzer, and
Kim was Drew’s assistant.

She started with her around 1992
and they started flower films,

the two of them.
And I have a cool quote from

Interview magazine 1995.
Drew said.

It was like this amalgamation of
two spirits.

We wanted to work hard and we
didn’t want our sex or our age

ever to be held against us.
We just wanted to, like, fucking

go forth with our dream.
And our dream was to have a

production company.
It’s 2 girlies wanting to make

good movies with people who are
passionate.

And I never thought that I would
be into this side of the

business, but I found myself
really into it.

We’re very much on the same
wavelength in the business

sense.
We sit down with like our iced

teas and cigarettes at our desks
and we just plow through the

day.
So this is like how it was

beginning, Drew and Kim.
But during filming of Mad Love

in summer 94, as you said, Drew
met Nancy Juvonen.

She was visiting her brother, I
think her brother supposedly

worked on the film.
He doesn’t have a credit or

anything, but that’s what, like
Jim.

Yeah.
Jim Juvonen.

Okay, like Jimmy.
Yeah, and soon after this, Drew

called Nancy, left her a
voicemail, or I guess it was

probably on her old school
answering machine and dared her

to come to LA and join Flower.
So, you know, it was it was Drew

and Kim.
And then Drew was like, oh,

let’s bring this Nancy lady in
here, too.

And Nancy mainly started as
Drew’s, like, personal

assistant.
She was like running errands for

her.
Nancy did too.

Yeah, cleaning the pool like I
feel like, I don’t think.

I remembered that.
Yeah, Drew and Kim became the,

like, heads of the company, and
Nancy was like an assistant.

You know, it’s crazy.
That’s amazing.

Nancy said she got tired of the
grunt work, and she told Drew

that she was going to
concentrate on reading the

scripts that were piling up.
So Nancy kind of went, I think I

can bring more to the table than
just going and getting your

prescriptions from the pharmacy
and cleaning your pool, Drew.

It’s amazing.
OK, So I love this like this,

these things that get into
Nancy’s personality.

So Drew could describe Nancy as
a compulsive organizer.

And she converted one of the
rooms in Drew’s house into an

office with a fax machine and a
Rolodex, and they were quote,

off to the races, UN quote.
So she made that like happen.

And then Drew also said she said
a couple things about Nancy.

So I love these quotes.
So a diary which we’re dying,

dying to get diary dying.
For diary.

She said.
We share a creative brain.

She’s very organized and
thoughtful and meticulous and a

great leader.
And I’m an emotional, weird

actor.
And then she also said you can’t

walk into a room without Nan
diagramming it, charting it, and

figuring out how it all was
supposed to go.

I love how well that fits with
the compulsive organizer turning

this room into the thing.
I think it’s even more than the

room.
It’s like she just was like, I

feel like she was kind of just
sitting back watching.

And she has a vision.
I can.

I can do this, Yeah.
I can make things happen.

Here, Yeah.
And the last note we have about

this like crew is that we don’t
really know the reason why, but

Kim stepped down around late

from there.
So she kind of helped the early,

early days of it maybe like pre
incorporation, right?

That’s what we’re probably
imagining, yeah.

I mean, I would love to know.
It has to be.

More.
But you know, we, we gave Kim

the opportunity to comment on it
and she has opted not to and

that’s totally fine.
So one day maybe we’ll, we’ll

break her down now.
Just kidding.

No, we would love to have her on
the podcast that we’re talking

about and we want to know what
happened.

I mean, we, I don’t know, like
we know nothing.

Yeah.
I mean, what we know is probably

more than anybody listening has
really heard before.

Like we’ve pieced this together
very, very slowly over the

years.
That’s true.

That’s true.
OK.

So Drew and Nancy, they’re ready
to like start this company, get

it going.
They spent like 2 to three years

at the beginning was just them
trying to learn everything that

they could and educate
themselves.

So they started with a laptop
computer and a notebook full of

phone numbers.
They poured over scripts.

They met with agents and studio
executives.

They figured out what actors
they’d want to work with.

They thought about what young
audiences wanted to see.

And I thought that was a really
interesting, like, you know,

very specific point because I do
feel like a lot of their movies

are for younger audiences.
And Drew herself was, I mean,

she’s 19 when she forms the
company, right?

So she’s a young person.
She’s like targeting to herself,

her.
Audience It is weird to think

about that though, because it’s
like, but you’re right, I mean,

she wants people to have fun at
her movies, right?

That’s like always way of her
thing.

So they had amassed a number of
scripts, books and pitches that

they wanted to develop into
movies.

So this was like earlier on they
were like things were kind of

ideas were coming to them.
In 1996, they took a cross

country RV road trip and they
dictaphoned or recorded

themselves the whole way.
Movie ideas and writers they

produce.
God, I would love to hear those

tapes, Nancy had said.
I don’t know if the tapes

produced any real ideas, but
they made us feel like we could

do it.
We can make this happen.

I.
Love that.

Yeah, it’s so sweet.
And another fun quote from Drew

is she said, we just studied,
studied, studied.

So they’re like just working
quietly, you know, just the two

of them, we think, yeah.
Drew also said everyone wants

that producer plaque on their
door, but it takes an

extraordinary amount of work to
get there.

It takes education and research
and really going to the College

of Film and Production, their
own version of college.

Yes, of course The College of
Life or whatever she’s called

Yeah yes OK, so this is like one
of the points while where she’s

like kind of practicing.
They quietly worked on scream

the wedding singer and after
after without taking credit, but

they were quote getting their
feet wet and getting involved.

So there we go.
They were kind of getting their

way.
They’re making their way.

So this is exciting.
This is like moving forward.

So they signed a first look 2
year deal with Fox 2000 in

August of 1997 and we have a
couple quotes from people at

Fox, which is neat.
So Bill Mechanic said that Drew

didn’t want a helping hand.
When I suggested she move Flower

over to Fox, she didn’t jump at
it.

So it was like she had to think
about that if she wanted to give

up any power at all.
Right, Makes sense.

Yeah, exactly.
And then Laura Ziskin said.

I felt in my bones the first
time they came into my office

that they knew something.
So cool.

They’ve been studying for three
years.

Laura, they better.
They do something.

Yeah, I like how Nancy describes
it, she said.

We pitched them like 9 projects
like any other producer would

and told them what we were
looking at for the future and

they invited us to have a first
look 2 year deal.

So cool.
Now now we’re really like off to

the races.
Like truly now things get start

getting big and real.
Yeah, yeah, totally.

OK, so they start to really,
like, get established by the

late 1990s, and they get their
office on Sunset.

By 1998.
It’s described as MTV meets

Romper Room, the walls painted
yellow and green and midnight

blue and decorated with photos
and movie posters and amusingly

large 45 RPM record of Yellow
Submarine.

And then there’s like another
really fun description about it,

decorated like a funky coffee
house with board games on the

shelves, bowls of candy
everywhere, and a snifter of

brightly packaged condoms in the
reception.

Perfect.
Perfect, right?

Yeah.
So we have seen some photos of

this office at Marie Claire
magazine did a really awesome

spread of Drews bulletin board
that she had in her her personal

office at the time.
Oh my God, it’s like the amount

of time I’ve spent looking at
those pictures.

I need to be like.
But we also got video footage

because Ruby Wax, who is like AI
think she does like a UK show

even though she is very much
like East Coast from America.

But she’s so funny.
So she went there in 1998 and

did like a tour in an interview
with Drew.

And then the aforementioned
diary from 2001 also did a

really great tour of the office.
And luckily there is like a

separate cut of just the office
tour that’s on YouTube and we

have that, which is amazing.
But yeah, this, those

descriptions of the way this
office looked like feel very

accurate.
Like it was very like playful

and like kind of messy, but in a
really like, fun way.

I always think of like Courtney
Love.

I think it was on the celebrity
profile.

She’s like a little Drew, like,
can she get do this?

And then she’s like, I go up
there to get inspired now.

Like it’s so amazing in there.
That’s so cool, I love that.

And you need a place for all the
ideas and the creativity that

stirs inside of you.
You need an outlet and this is

that place.
So cute.

And so for the first few years
they had an all female staff,

which we love.
But then Chris Miller came on in

Chris, and he started as Drews

assistant and just like Nancy,
he worked his way on up through

the company.
Like I know he was president at

some point.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Talk about an important person
in the history of flower films.

Like he was hugely important.
So important, like we don’t have

a ton of notes about him, but we
have to like note like his

coming on was a big.
Deal and he ended up like

producing things on his own and
stuff and it’s amazing.

I mean, if you guys don’t know
who Chris Miller is, we mention

him all the time, but he’s
running this night show now.

If you’re if you’re brand new to
this for some reason, we that’s

where he’s gone like he Chris
Miller’s the best.

Yeah, we love him.
We owe a lot to him.

I was also just realizing met
him two years after he had

joined Drew.
Oh yeah, he was like a baby.

That seems so, but it also like
kind of explains why like we had

such comfort for such a long
time because I was like a baby

when I met him and he was a
baby.

Wow.
I hadn’t even graduated high

school, but anyway.
Another person who joined in

Ember has worked with Flower on

and off forever since then.
So like, she’s also one of those

like mainstays and like we have
to mention her and she’s even

produced some stuff on her own,
but like under the Flower

banner.
So we’ll mention those a little

bit later on.
OK, we went kind of want to just

mention what their logo looked
like at this time.

It was really cute.
It was just this like little

hand drawn simple flower.
The first time I remember seeing

it is at the end of all of the
other reindeer and there’s like

Jingle Bells playing as it like
swipes across the screen and

it’s so cute so.
Cute.

It’s like typewriter font, all
lower case.

Yeah, and the flower on it.
We talked about getting this

tattooed for a long time.
Oh, I forgot about that.

Oh my gosh, I feel.
Like we did and I feel like I

remember thinking I like I
wanted to get it like maybe in

white and I was like I didn’t
want to get it outline and now I

don’t know tattoos better.
We still haven’t gotten a tattoo

together that’s.
We’ll get there.

We’ll get there.
But yeah, they’re like

stationary was very like, what
would you call this paper, you

know, this kind of stuff better
than.

I do.
It’s like craft paper.

It’s like it looks like a paper
bag.

Basically recycled, almost left
to it.

We’re lucky enough to have a
couple examples of this in our

collection, just a few things
that were mailed to us over the

years.
And they also used to do really

cool Christmas cards every year.
It was like a different theme.

They often featured, like, the
dogs of the company.

Yeah.
And it was just like, this is

sort of like the heyday of this,
like happy, feel good company to

me.
Yeah, totally.

I just thought it would be fun
to mention that some of the

Christmas cards were featured on
our episode of Collectors Call

because we’ve got some in the
Jerusalem.

Yeah, they like those.
So it’s just like a fun, fun

little like thing.
And I love that we have some

like flower films ephemera.
Me too, I’ve always loved it,

it’s one of my favorite things
in our whole collection.

So cool, they’re so special.
Yeah, they really are.

OK, so some of the notable films
that they worked on for years

but never came to be.
This happens all the time in

production companies.
We just know that these ones

like production, production,
production hell and then

nothing.
Got like mentioned for years,

yeah.
I was.

I feel like there’s another one
Surrender Dorothy or something.

Oh yeah, that one still comes
up.

Yeah.
OK, no idea so.

We’ve got some of these notes on
a couple though.

So all she wanted is a the story
of Brandon Teena, which Boys

Don’t Cry was made and that
ended up being a competing

production, like hugely
competing.

And if you guys don’t know Boys
Don’t Cry, that’s an amazing

movie.
So that would be hard to compete

with anyway.
And also, I didn’t note this,

but Diane Keaton’s company was
like going to work with them on

that.
Like I believe her company

brought it to flower which is so
interesting.

Interesting.
I think I remember you saying

something about that.
But it’s fascinating.

But I remember this being
mentioned.

I think Drew was thinking about
playing Brandon Teena.

Absolutely.
The whole time that was the

plan.
Wow.

I know.
Imagine that.

I can imagine in 95, I can’t
imagine in 98 when they were

literally like, this is our next
movie we’re going to do.

Right.
OK, so another really

interesting movie, Frigid and
Impotent.

So I think we’ve talked about
this a little bit.

I think we’ve talked about this
movie more than anyone on the

planet has ever talked about
this.

You know the movie was going to
be a dark comedy about a serial

killer couple on the run.
They would have worked alongside

Michael Stipes production
company on it with director

Gregg Araki.
Which it would have been so cool

if Drew was in a movie directed
by Gregg Araki.

This would have been a weird
one, but it was one of the

projects that Drew originally
pitched to Adam Sandler when she

met him.
Like she thought this would be a

great film for them.
That would have been such an

interesting turn of her career.
That is one of those like what

could have.
Been it would have been.

Really edgy.
Yeah.

And we have learned that there
are a lot of documents regarding

this movie in the Academy Museum
collection at the library,

right?
It’s called the library.

Yeah.
And so luckily there’s like a

good little write up of
summarizing what the items are.

But there’s like, fun.
I cannot wait to go see these

one day.
There’s like letters that Drew

was writing to Gregg Araki.
And yeah, you can kind of see

like she has like ideas for
casting.

And then it comes to a point
where she’s like, for the sake

of my career, I have to let this
go.

Like New Line is not working
with us.

Like it’s not going to happen.
It’s crazy.

I we could do probably a whole
episode on that.

And yeah, we haven’t even seen
them.

And yet the archivist who did
that, that collection really

went extra on describing it.
It was cool.

God, I know, so cool.
So, you know, those are the what

could have been, but we all know
the first official productions,

and there were actually 2, both
released in 1999, which I just

love that they’re like, boom,
boom.

Yeah.
So those are, of course, Never

Been Kissed.
And all of the other reindeer,

again, we have deep episodes on
both of those, but let’s just

talk about Never Been kissed
because obviously that was a

much bigger deal.
Yeah.

Drew said the work was so much
fun.

It was so great.
It takes up every second of your

time, and you never get upset
for a second.

In fact, you’re like more more
more hours in the day and again

from Fox Laura Ziskin said that
they were full service producers

involved in everything.
So like there’s a lot of fun

stuff that we mentioned, I’m
sure and are never been kissed

episode about this.
But Drew really like she took

this one seriously and they the
movie came in on time and under

budget and it was like we were
given a chance and yes, we

succeeded and now we can get
another chance.

Like it’s a really good deal.
Yeah.

Huge deal.
And she was stoked.

Yeah, it worked out.
And that film, I mean, you’ll

hear in our episode, but the
film was like, well received.

People love that filming, yes.
So let’s kind of jump to the

early and mid 2000s.
We’ve got a couple incredible

things come out, guys.
Quite a few Charlie’s Angels,

which we just did our episode on
and check that out.

We talk a lot about the
production of that and Donnie

Darko, which of course we love.
That was like one of the first

films we covered on this
podcast.

Really, I feel like it was the
first year.

We’ve always loved it.
You can hear us gash about those

elsewhere, but we love both
these films.

Angels.
Charlie’s Angels was a huge big

budget production with everyone
watching tons of pressure and

Donnie Darker was kind of the
perfect anecdote and reset after

that.
I love to think about those

dichotomy.
Absolutely.

They’re filmed back-to-back.
Like I know that Richard Kelly

like came to the set of
Charlie’s Angels to like

withdrew in her trailer.
Cool.

And it’s so they are so
different.

I love that.
Never Been Kissed, Olive,

Charlie’s Angels, Donnie Darko.
Like very different projects

from each other, you know?
Wide range of yeah.

And it’s interesting how it sort
of felt like that was the way

they wanted things to go, but
that’s not really where things

ended up going, I guess.
Like, yeah.

So over the next few years they
had really big releases, but

we’re we have the sequel,
Charlie’s Angels, Full Throttle,

yeah, Duplex, 50 First dates, Fever
Pitch and music and lyrics.

And these are all like a little
more similar I would feel.

Right to each other than like
the first few, yeah.

And then Drew also executive
produced and directed the

documentary.
The best Place to start.

I don’t know if it’s like
technically a Flower Films

production.
It’s not in the credits that

way.
But she’s the executive producer

and like her people worked on
it.

So I’m like it counts.
Yeah, those kind of things are

interesting where like it’ll be
a company and not her or her and

not the company, right.
She’s.

Not a producer on that.
Movie on her own What?

Or nor is Adam Sandler, we
realized like neither other of

them was on their own.
So it’s like what did they just

give like full like everything
kind of fell into the production

company.
I don’t know have we covered?

Best place to start in any way?
I don’t feel like we have No no.

I would love to though, it’s so
cool.

It’s about, it’s all about
voting guys.

It’s very interesting because I
remember like watching it, I

was, you know, younger than her
obviously, and feeling like,

feeling like uneducated the way
that she did, you know?

Anyway, it’s really good.
I loved that and it was very

personal.
I got to see a lot of like

personal footage of her.
OK, so late 2000s, early 20

tens, they moved to an office on
Santa Monica.

That’s an office we got to
visit, which is we went to

sunset too, I guess.
Do we even?

See that?
You’re right, We didn’t even

mention that We were a little
more invited to the Santa Monica

Yes, yes.

So the office on Santa Monica
had this beautiful red door.

Oh yes.
It was very nondescript though.

It was just like a white
building with a red door.

Yeah, it wasn’t labeled at all,
but I feel like I feel like it’s

very how do I wanna say this?
Like the old office is like dorm

room, kind of like fun and
hungry hanging hippos games and

stuff like that.
And then the office on Santa

Monica is like the grown up,
more mature, beautifully

decorated, still all the like,
fun photos and stuff like that

on the walls, but like it’s the
more sophisticated version of

flower.
Fells yes.

I mean, one of the things I
remember about that office, they

had these chairs, these like
beautiful yellow chairs that

were like upholstered and I had
one in my bedroom that was

almost exactly like that.
Do you remember the like?

Pictures.
I actually pulled a picture of

the yellow bathroom with the
chair because it had John

Barrymore’s photo on it.
I pulled a picture for the

episode.
OK so I completely forgot about

this but the office was featured
in Domino magazine in April of

Minutes.

We do know that a lot of the
furniture pieces in this office

building were sold.
You did this like sale that I

still don’t understand or
remember why we missed out on

this, but a lot of the pieces
that you can see in the domino

feature were sold and like where
did they all go?

None of them have ever come back
up for sale anywhere.

Like, yeah, it kills me.
Those chairs with the FF

calligraphy, those were sold.
I’m like, I would give anything

for those.
Like who has those?

I want that I know what the
hell.

Hopefully someone with the
initials or something or like.

I just hopefully not somebody
reupholster.

Them.
I was just going to say that.

OK, So some new faces who ended
up becoming kind of important

longtime employees came into the
picture at this time.

So Kelly Smith, Omar Lagda,
Mason Hughes and Tony Craigo,

who we have two episodes with.
So we got pretty friendly with

Mason and Tony when they were
working with Drew.

They were all just such like
mainstays.

Omar still does like video stuff
with Drew every once in a while.

But yeah, they were both just, I
mean, they were all just like so

important.
Like any, any of the films.

You can see them on the set, you
know, they were just like a part

of.
It’s so funny how it went from

like an all female staff to like
all gay guy staff.

Basically female they’re female adjacent.

So also they had Brent Kyle who
joined and we believe that Brent

designed the current the new and
current flower films logo

because he did a super similar
design for Drews tattoo on her

arm for breeds.
So if you see it, it’s got the

same kind of outlining font and
he did the Whip It title

graphic.
So we think he was responsible

for their new look of their
thing and it’s stuck.

Yeah, it’s still there.
It’s really.

Cool.
Yeah, Jimmy Fallon.

I feel like more than once I’ve
seen pictures of him wearing

T-shirts with the new Flower
Films logo on.

It I want AT shirt.
Me too, I’m like how do we get 1

T?
Shirt Come on, Jimmy Fallon,

you’re listening, right?
Just because you’re married.

To one of the Co founders.
Come on.

Yes, so well, some other big
things that they did at this

time, they did the huge ensemble
piece.

He’s just not that into you with
like it’s kind of crazy when you

think about some of the star
power of that movie, like right

part is so small.
I don’t really think about it

that often.
I probably seen it like.

Ben Affleck in.
It Ben Affleck, Jennifer

Aniston, Scarlett Johann
Scarlett Johansson.

Yeah.
I know I feel like I’ve only

seen it once, maybe twice at the
best, but it’s I remember it

being kind of enjoyable.
But it is a huge ensemble.

You’re right.
And like, what A what a big deal

for them.
Like, that’s amazing.

I think it made money.
And then more importantly to our

hearts, Drew’s feature
directorial debut, Whip It.

Yeah, Whip it.
It was.

It was literally the first movie
we ever covered on the podcast.

Yes we did over 2 episodes.
Yeah.

It’s so cool that this like
producing for a while and then

finally she got to produce and
direct.

I know.
And just, like, imagine the

whole crew, like helping her out
with it.

It’s just so, yeah.
I mean, one thing I thought of

just like going back to like
Domino because there were there

were pictures where you could
see like her, like the wall.

Of yes, her inspo picture.
Yeah.

And I think about when I think
about with it, I think about her

like putting together her so
like vision boards and all that.

Totally cool to like see it in
the office, in Domino, like in

the background.
Like so neat.

So so neat.
I also drew directed a music

video slash short film for Best
Coast called Our Deal, and a

bunch of the flower people
worked on that as well.

Again, I don’t know if it’s like
technically a Flower Films

production, but I’m counting it
as well.

Yeah.
And it’s so fun.

We’ve also covered this.
We did an episode on on the

music videos.
And then we did get a bunch of

productions that are not
starring Drew.

So this was like a little kind
of like run of stuff.

Yeah, I don’t think I’ve seen,
I’ve seen these things.

None of them.
OK, so just admitting this guys,

we love horror films.
We absolutely love Drew.

We just haven’t watched all
their projects.

So they did some small horror
films called happy Camp an

animal and they did a ROM coms
called How to be single.

And then for TV, they did a
Charlie’s Angels reboot, which

is so interesting.
A couple reality shows called

Tough love and knife fight.
So haven’t watched any of them,

but they were doing work.
So I feel like it’s this is a

lot of like Chris Miller time,
right?

Yeah, definitely Miller Time.
I think I actually did watch

Tough Love.
That feels like something I had

on my TiVo and it I don’t know,
it just it doesn’t have that

like flower film stamp on it.
I’ll just say that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then like this is the reason

that this episode was so like
origin heavy is like the last

few years or even gosh, more
than that, like the late 20 tens

to now.
Yeah, it’s sort of like what is

flower films these days?
It’s not as clear of an entity

as it used to be.
They did release a couple more

things without Drew.
There was a movie from 2017

called Freak Show that Drew,
Nancy, Chris and Amber all have

producing credits on.
Is that?

Another horror movie.
No, it’s it sounds pretty cool.

It’s like a very like queer
friendly movie about like a boy

who runs for homecoming queen or
something.

Oh, cool.
Yeah.

And then like I said, Ember on
her own did a skateboarding

documentary called Stay on the
Board, The Leo Baker story that

came out in I want to see this.
Yeah, I remember we would talked

about wanting to see it.
We haven’t yet, but I think it’s

on Netflix so cool hard, but
that’s like under their banner.

And then for TV, there was a
Food Network show called Star

Plates.
Crazy.

Didn’t even know.
No TLC had a show called Rattled

About like new parents, and
Netflix had the animated

Princess Power that Drew did
with Savannah Guthrie.

Yes, of course.
So they had, I think sure Drew

did the voice in a couple
episodes.

I think it’s like a one episode
thing.

I still haven’t.
Watched that yet either.

OK, so let’s get into like the
final thing.

So final credits that Drew acted
in are the three seasons of Sam

accorded diet, which that was
like tons of content, which is

so great.
We will get into that at some

point.
I know I keep, every time I

think about it, I’m like, how
are we going to approach this?

It’s like a such a different
thing for us to cover because

it’s like so much content.
You might have to do like, I

don’t know, like similar to how
we did 2000 Malibu Rd.

Except that was 6 episodes
period.

Yeah.
Yeah, we might have to like do

it like in bigger chunks with
something like that it.

Might be our summer series, you
never know.

Anyway, Speaking of things, we I
haven’t watched The Stand in.

I will get to it eventually, but
that’s the last film that Drew

released and starred in and it
never went to theaters.

No it never went to theaters.
Came out during COVID.

I watched that movie and could
not believe it was a Flower

Films production.
It just makes no sense.

It’s a really weird project and
it just doesn’t feel like them.

I will eventually watch it, but
there’s still exciting things

going on.
The flower films world.

It’s just sort of like really
different, like you said.

So Drew’s businesses started to
operate under the Barrymore

brands, quote UN quote.
So Chris Miller, Tony Crago,

Mason Hughes and others like
worked under that name.

So they became like the
Barrymore brands kind of team,

but the like presently the
Flower films productions does

the Drew Barrymore show.
So we’re, you know, we’ve got

six seasons going on eight
seasons of that.

But that’s also like hugely, you
know, CBS.

So like, I don’t know beyond the
name what what Flower films does

and her team and then Hollywood
Squares, which of course we

love.
So we’re stoked on like the

other things they’re doing.
But TV, of course, is so much

different than like, producing
film.

So I mean, she’ll get back
there.

I know she will.
The other big question, though,

was like, where is Nancy in all
this?

Like, right, you know, we have
this 2017 movie that she has a

credit on, but other than that,
it’s like, I have no idea if

she’s even technically part of
Flower Films anymore, which is

so weird.
When Drew talked about her

really recently, like there was
that clip, did she kind she

still call her her partner?
I guess she’s saying her best

friend.
She, well, I think she said

both.
And that is crazy that that clip

came out like as you’re getting
ready to do this episode and

like, how does this happen so
often?

So fun.
I know.

So we, you know, I think that’s
maybe maybe that’s why we kind

of like held off.
We’re like waiting for like

flower films to like, yeah, have
some like finale or, I don’t

know, finale, but like have like
have like have a wave.

I don’t know.
They made an Instagram account

like 4 years ago and there’s
like nothing on it except like

their projects in the
highlights.

Like it’s all so mysterious
these days.

It’s.
So interesting.

I’d love to know like what’s in
the Flower Films archives, you

know, beyond just a million
scripts that were sent to them.

But like, you know, I don’t
know.

It’s fascinating to think.
About that, yeah.

We used to remember.
We used to just imagine they had

like a room of movie memorabilia
cuz they would like they would

give us stuff.
It’s like, where’s this all

coming from?
They must just keep it all

somewhere.
Have a room full of it.

I mean, probably, you know, they
get like a.

Bunch of promo stuff, so let’s
just wrap this up with a little

clip of Drew explaining why she
loves producing.

I love having creative control.
I love being in charge of my own

destiny.
There was a few years where I

made a few films that I thought,
oh, this is different than how I

thought it would be.
I had this original intention in

my mind and it’s it’s quite
different than that.

And, and I sort of got obsessed
with the idea of, well, what if

I could see that vision through.
And I love problem solving.

I feel so good about the end of
the day if I’ve done something

to make someone happy, but I
also feel really good that I

have a place to put what keeps
me up at night, which is this

fuelled creativity.
I don’t know if it’s good, but

it’s inside of me and I have to
have somewhere productive and

cathartic and healthy to put it
out.

And so producing enables that
for me a lot.

I love that.
I love that we’ve finally gotten

through flower films and
blossomed out the end.

The garden is blooming well, and
it’s just so freaking cool that

I’m going to do this.

I want to be in charge of my own
destiny.

I am going to figure out how to
do it all on my own without any

real help except from like,
other cool women.

And yeah, like, look at what
they’ve done.

Yeah, I like.
That’s one thing Drew says on

that.
It really recently she’s like,

we’ve been doing it 30 years.
Like, you know, it’s amazing.

Like that’s that’s cool.
Like she like made her own

destiny.
Like her having done that, I’m

sure is why she has the career
that she has now.

It would be a little different
if Frigid and Impotent happened,

but.
And boys, don’t cry Slash all

she wanted, yeah.
Yeah, all of that like that

different, I don’t know, but
it’s it’s cool.

This is this is an important era
that continues in Drew’s life.

Yeah, and we’re so proud of her.
Yes, we are.

We are so proud of our of our
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How Do You Drew Episode 125 – Detour, February 1998

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I’m Anne.
And I’m Ashley, and this week

we’re discussing Drew’s cover
feature from Detour magazine

from February 1998.
Oh, that’s our year A.

Fave.
Too our origin year.

It is our origin year and this
is such a good one.

Oh boy, I can’t.
I’m surprised it’s taken us this

long to get to this.
But before that we have so much

other stuff to get through.
So yes, get into.

It let’s start at the top.
One thing I want to mention is

that last time we did our 51st
Dates episode, which you guys

haven’t listened to, it was a
really sweet and fun one.

And I missed this connection
that one of the uncredited

writers who did script revisions
on 51st Dates was Babaloo Mandel.

And like, when I saw his name in
my research, I just kind of

like, I mean, he sounds like a
like an Adam Sandler guy, right?

So I was like, oh, his name’s
just familiar because of that.

No, that’s not why he wrote
Fever Pitch.

So.
That’s crazy.

Like her two back-to-back films,
like the same guy wrote them.

It’s like or worked on them in
some capacity.

Yeah.
So that I thought that was neat

and we had to point that out.
Babaloo.

Babaloo, sorry about leaving you
out buddy, but.

That’s fun.
I know we were like and a bunch

of uncredited people.
It was like just kind of swept

it.
But yeah, that’s cool.

I like those little details.
I am tidbits galore.

Right.
All right, let’s get into this.

Like what crazy pictures that
just got posted on Drew’s

Instagram?
Oh my gosh, It was like a trend

I saw.
Reese Witherspoon did it too.

It’s like, mom, what were you
like in the 90s?

And then it just posts a bunch
of photos.

But unlike Reese’s, which were
just like Getty Images.

Right.
Theresa from her archive so

Karina, her social media girl
just happened to pull like some

we’d seen before.
They’re still amazing, but

they’ve like been shared.
And then there was three we have

never seen in any capacity that
just floored us.

All like are they all 95 or is

Yeah, 9495.
It’s like, we’ll just, we’re

just, Oh my God.
I mean, we could just talk about

them a little bit.
I don’t even know how to like.

One of them is definitely an
outtake of something that we had

seen before of Drew with Eric
Erlandson from Interview

magazine.
Oh my gosh.

It’s so cool.
I like it is weird.

It just does feel like an
outtake, even though it’s not a.

It’s like a personal picture.
But I was just like, Oh my God,

this is like the same day in a
different picture.

Like how incredible after 31
years for that to appear.

I mean clearly her social media
gal has like no clue that these

things are like not shared
elsewhere.

I have my phone here because I
wanted to read.

She actually sent us a message
because we reposted the video

just like Oh my God, these
photos.

And she messaged us and said,
oh, I know it’s good when even

you don’t have the photos.
Wow.

It must be like, just give us
all the photos.

Give us access to them all.
They’re probably on like a

Google Drive.
Damn it, I.

Know I’m thinking so too.
So if you guys go to the episode

page, we’ll all three of the new
ones up there.

They need to be seen and they
need to be adored, and we’re

going to talk a little bit more
about that reel in a few minutes

because it had some great
comments on it.

Oh, cool.
Yeah.

I will just say, like, one of
them, she’s holding a cat.

One of them is on the phone.
Like, everything about all three

of them is just so great.
And her Pixie cut.

All the props.
We can’t.

Yeah, we can’t.
All her props.

Yeah, All the props from the
photo shoots, from her personal

life.
Exactly.

They’re so incredible.
We’ll never.

We’ll never stop loving these
sharing of old photos that we

haven’t seen.
Will never.

Never, never will never not just
be the most exciting thing to

me.
So cool.

So thank you, Karina.
Yeah, we’re sharing things that

you don’t even know are cool.
You don’t know how good you

know.
OK, how do we even move on from

that?
We’ve got so much other cool

stuff to talk about.
OK, so let’s just say with our

Patreon guys, hopefully you’re
already members there, but if

you’re not, what the hell.
Hello and thanks to our new

member, Sam So.
Hi, Sam.

Yeah, Sam, thank you so much.
We have already released our 2nd

chapter of Wildflower.
It’s out on the Patreon now, so

go over there and join us.
Patreon.com.

Slash Adi Drew.
OK, should we get into what Drew

has proclaimed her love for
recently?

I love, love.
All right.

These are, like, nice long ones.
Like, none of these are simple,

OK?
Drew loves a Neil Diamond.

He’s the guy who does Sweet
Caroline, right?

I think so.
I always think of her in fever

pitch.
Speaking of fever Pitch, she

loves a honey Maple ham, OK.
Being in charge of her own

destiny.
Love that.

Yeah, that’s definitely a
lifelong theme for her.

She loves problem solving what
heated rivalry is doing for the

world.
I have yet to watch it if you

watched.
It I have been inducted into the

club thanks to my girlfriends
and it was really fun.

You would like it.
I’m sure I would.

She loves transforming old
objects into something new.

OK, Keke Palmer.
OK, the name Roxy.

OK.
Being an open book.

So her.
Billy Bob Thornton.

William Robert Thornton.
Sorry, Jared and I have been

doing that lately because we’re
watching Fargo, the show.

I like it.
She loves mint chocolate chip.

OK.
And finally, corn dogs.

All right, I like a veggie corn
dog.

Makes you think of hot dog on a
stick from Full Throttle all.

Right, let’s go into our mail
bag and see what we got in

there.
You’ve got mail.

This is a comment on Spotify
from the user soft dress and I

know that user also follows us
on Instagram.

So hi to you and thanks for this
comment.

Yes.
So she said had to run over from

your episode page.
Just say I always make sure I

can listen to your episodes when
I’m able to have the episode

page open to follow along with
the visuals.

Really appreciate that they’re
in order of mention.

I look forward to it every time.
Thank you Soft.

Dress so Marcus at Charlie’s
Three Sexy Sluice kind of got

that conversation going and then
soft dress was like me too.

So I really appreciate that even
if it’s just two people that

they like that I put them in
order of the way we talk about

them because it’s really
important to me because I’m

crazy like that.
So I’m glad there’s other people

that feel the same way.
I love it so much and we just

like we’re always like, go to
the site, see that pictures,

like you spend energy on that.
Yeah.

It made me kind of wish, like,
our YouTube episodes could have

the visual elements, but I
honestly feel like we’d need

like someone like another person
to do that for us because like,

we’re already so bogged down.
Or we’d have to make a

slideshow.
Every time, which just right,

which is a ton of work.
So I would love to get there

eventually, but I think we need
to be like able to hire somebody

for that.
Or yeah, or just have like more

time when this is our actual
job, guys, we’re gonna have all

the visuals when this is our
job.

There we go, I like the
manifestation.

Yeah, manifesting, exactly
manifesting.

Let’s go into the kind comments
corner and see what’s hanging

out over there.
So.

Sweet.
All right, couple little things

hanging out in the corner.
So I actually like I said, these

are comments on the reel of the

many good ones, but I pulled
four that just like really spoke

to me.
OK.

And so let’s we can switch off
back and forth reading it.

So the first one comes from at
Smart A 007.

You were my 90s muse.
We all wanted to be just like

you.
Now, as we are all navigating

adulthood and perimenopause, we
still want to be like you.

You are a ray of sunshine.
Yeah, and then chill, chilly and

Chai.
Life said.

Growing up alongside you has
been flipping splendid.

You are pure joy, Drew.
Pure joy.

You love it And then this one is
from Vintage Monsters 78.

When I discovered Drew as a
young adult, I became enamored

and didn’t know why.
I collected every magazine and

picture with her in it and
plastered them on my bedroom

walls.
I watched all of her movies.

When I realized I was gay, it
all made sense to me.

No wonder I was so enthralled
and had her everywhere.

Drew was the one to help me
realize who I was and for that

she will always be my favorite.
I.

Know I loved that.
This last comment I didn’t

realized who it was from at.
Care Bears officially the Care

Bears Instagram.
So at Care Bears commented, I

feel like she had a Funshine
bear.

Which is the yellow one with the
sunshine on its belly?

Yes, Care Bears, you totally got
the vibe.

I love that, Care Bears
responded.

These are all great.
I mean, I love, you know,

multiple times sunshine is
mentioned.

Of course it is.
Of course.

Yeah, of course it is.
OK, so let’s go back in time and

see what happened this week in
Drew History.

OK, March 3rd, 2008 This was
kind of a big deal and I feel

like it doesn’t get talked about
very much.

Drew appeared on the Oprah
Winfrey Show and announced that

she was personally donating $1
million to the World Food

Program.
So.

Pretty awesome.
This was a.

Charity that she’d been involved
with since 2005 when she

travelled to Africa to
experience their work, and she

was named officially an
ambassador against hunger for

them in 2007.
Here’s a quote she said on the

Oprah show.
I have seen with my own eyes

what a difference a simple cup
of nutritious porridge can make

in a child’s life.
It helps them learn, stay

healthy and sets them on track
for a bright future.

I’m able to make this incredible
donation.

This has changed my life, but I
encourage everyone to give like

so cool if you guys were around
in those days, you know, like

she really like was really
involved with this charity and

I’ve we even like donated a
future.

Remember when they did that
thing?

It was like called like the wall
and when you made a donation

like your face went on this like
virtual wall.

We did one of those.
I don’t think we have any

screenshots, but the whole like
red cup, fill the red cup like,

yeah, it’s like a whole thing.
Multiple times for, like, years.

I feel like around her birthday
would be like, we made a

donation and, your Honor.
Yeah.

And one of the times we went to
see her in person, we, like, put

everyone’s names on a card,
right?

Yeah.
She liked that so much.

Like everyone who contributed to
our donation to WFP, that was

that.
Was really neat.

We’ll have to share a photo of
her with the card.

I took some pictures of her
holding it, yeah.

They’re so pretty.
Oh, yeah.

You took those.
That’s right.

Oh, my God.
I was thinking Chris Miller did

because he took the one of us
with her.

Yeah.
Oh, my goodness.

Also on Oprah, Cameron Diaz
called into the show as a

surprise to let Drew know how
proud she was of her for

donating the money and informing
people about the cause.

And then Justin Long was with
her in the audience and he said

she’s the most compassionate
person I’ve ever met.

So sweet.
We get like, she had like one of

those giant checks that she
actually signed, which is really

cute.
And also that same day, she went

to the Chicago Mercantile
Exchange with the WFP’s

executive director, Josette
Sheeran, to further promote the

foundation.
So it’s just like a really cool

thing.
Like it was a really big deal

when she did this.
And then it like, no one ever

talks about it anymore.
I don’t know.

I felt like when I realized it
was On this date, I was like,

oh, we got it.
We got to bring attention.

Yeah, we got to mention this
like, yeah, it’s a, it was like

a whole era of the World Food
Program.

So cool.
That’s so cool.

Good, Paul.
OK, let’s talk about what’s new

with Drew.
Here we go with the news,

everybody.
OK, It’s a little dated now

because we’re only releasing
episodes every two weeks.

That Drew made a surprise
appearance, like a cameo, if you

will, on The Tonight Show
during.

So they had Mr. Beast there and
they were doing the box of lies

game that they do.
And he was describing to Jimmy

Fallon what was behind him.
And what was behind him was Drew

skiing with Sasquatch.
It’s so.

Good.
It’s so cute.

Like so, so cute.
Yeah.

And I love that he’s just like a
very famous actress behind you

like and.
Apparently like he didn’t even

know that Drew and Jimmy were
like close like Miss Jimmy just

like commented on the post and
said like I had no idea that

they were like really good
friends.

I’m very curious like how this
was arranged.

Me too.
Probably Chris.

Of course, of course.
Yeah, I’m sure Chris had a lot.

Chris.
Miller Yeah.

So like, if you guys don’t know
who we’re talking about, Chris

Miller was like Drew’s
production partner for a really

long time at Flower Films, and
now he’s the showrunner at Night

Show.
I bet you’re right.

Yeah.
Cuz that’s like, of course.

Like, of course it’s so fun.
Her like, bright pink jacket.

She looked adorable.
So cute and if you guys missed

this we will share a link to the
YouTube where that is available

to watch.
Yes, very fun.

We I also have to mention that
there is an upcoming cameo in

Drew’s ex sister-in-law Jill
Kargman’s movie.

It’s called Influenced.
It’s coming out in the spring

after some delays.
I was filmed in the summer of

I’m a little bit like, not that
interested in the movie itself.

Did you watch the trailer?
Yeah, and I was like, I but I

want to see if there’s more of
Drew than just this little tiny

thing they show in on the
trailer.

Doesn’t feel like it, right?
It feels like the character that

Jill’s playing like interacts
with ruin an event for saving

manatees.
Lipo for manatees.

Excuse me, I’m looking at the
photo more closely.

It’s a little.
But we have to say, like,

there’s a couple fun things
about it.

First, the outfit she’s wearing
in it is something that we saw

her wear at an event.
So it’s kind of funny to be

like, oh, that’s where that
weird outfit came from.

I don’t know how.
It’s like.

It’s a weird one.
It’s not just what?

We saw it’s one that we’ve all
went, what the heck is this

stress, Drew?
I think you described it as

looking like flesh in the
middle.

It does weirdly look like flesh
in the middle, polka dotted and

like the colors are fun, but for
some reason the combo.

Anyway, we have, we’ll just have
to post a picture of it for you

guys to see.
Also, we spotted Olive Drew’s

daughter in the trailer for
this.

Super surprised to see her.
Was surprising.

I’m like jaw dropped.
I like was like what?

Like why was that olive?
And it definitely is definitely

I mean.
I’m surprised that Drew let that

happen, but maybe it was like,
she’s just gonna appear really

quick.
Like, you know, I don’t, I don’t

know.
I don’t know.

Definitely surprising and maybe
we just leave it at that.

Also, this is obviously
humongous news.

It has officially been stated
that Sony is developing a new

Charlie’s Angels film, and all
we know right now is that they

have hired writer Pete Chiarelli
and some outlets are calling it

a reboot.
No one’s really calling it a

sequel.
There’s rumors that our Angels

will be in this, but we don’t
know for sure.

There’s also a rumor that said
it’s unclear who’s producing

this, although one source said
Drew and Flower Films are back

for this version.
No official information yet, but

I mean you and I have been
sensing the rumblings of this

coming for over a year now.
Right, right.

And anytime Drew is asked about
it in any kind of like, pointed

way, she like, kind of like,
very intentionally, kind of like

closes her mouth and like, you
know, like.

And when we brought that up to
her, you and I were speaking to

her, she was kind of like, yeah,
I can’t lie.

Like I, I can’t.
Like, I couldn’t lie about it.

Like, I couldn’t say no.
So like, clearly I’d be shocked

if this goes forward and she’s
not involved because she’s made

it seem like she’s involved.
We also know she’s been super

Mia from the Drew Barrymore Show
this season, right?

In fact, they’re not even doing
a birthday episode.

I said for her this year, which
is just like, devastating.

Yeah.
So they.

Couldn’t top last year after we
brought all our memorabilia.

They’re like they’re like never
again actually and an already.

Came why even never try again?
We never have to celebrate

Drew’s birthday ever again.
But of course, yeah, we’ve known

like Charlie’s Angels rumblings
around.

But like, yeah, this is like one
of those like announcements that

has no info, like, you know, So
we’ll see what happens with

this, but we are hopeful that it
is.

Helpful and we are watching,
yes.

We are paying attention to see
if Drew will appear as Dylan

again.
OK, so let’s get into Hollywood

Squares.
I actually have not watched all

the recent episodes,
unfortunately.

So I’m a couple episodes behind.
OK.

But we love this show guys.
We we always love it.

It’s just delightful.
Yes, episode 13 was scream

themed.
I bet you loved that.

Yeah, I mean, it was like
loosely, like they had David

Arquette there, which is great,
but it’s kind of funny.

Like Drew had to point out, I
think at the very end of the

show, this is actually more like
a Never Been Kissed reunion.

We played brother and sister and
that like they don’t even share

screen time and scream, but
that’s funny.

Paramount, CBS, same company.
Scream 7 is coming out tomorrow

as of the recording, and so I
think it was definitely

intentionally done for that.
Like they even had like Nate

was.
I don’t want to spoil it for

you, but Nate’s wearing like
buttons with like Drew and

Scream, did I?
See that?

Maybe I watched that.
One, you might have seen it on

a.
Clip of it.

Yeah, maybe.
I saw a clip of it.

That was cute.
That was It was cute.

Yeah.
OK, tell me the bonus round

facts and see if I can get
these.

Right, I think you’re not going
to have any problems with these.

OK, true or false, Drew can play
the bag pipes.

False.
Like where did that one come

from?
I love it though.

She learned to surf in Hawaii.
True.

We just talked about this in our

that.
Yes, Drew is licensed to

officiate at cat wedding.
False, false.

But like, I can see why somebody
would think that was a pretty.

I think the person guessed that
it was true.

I can’t remember.
It’s like.

She’s just, she’s just weird.
Enough that maybe I could see

that.
Yeah, that’s really ridiculous.

I love it.
OK.

And.
Then finally, she went on a date

with Corey Feldman when they
were kids.

True.
Yeah.

We’ve talked about this a
couple.

Times, I know.
So those are really fun.

Hollywood Squares.
We love it.

Can’t wait for more.
Just keep giving it to us.

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OK, are we, are we really ready
to get into Detour February

Oh my gosh.

It’s kind of one of those things
that’s like if you don’t know,

you don’t know, but if you know,
you know.

It’s real special if those of
you who know are immediately

picturing this incredible cover
that we’ll be talking about

momentarily.
That’s kind of what I meant.

It’s yeah, it’s very, it’s very
unique.

And this is a it’s a great
article.

I’m so glad that we’re doing
this like a me.

Too.
Oh man, it was so when I was

transcribing it, I was going
like, Oh my gosh, this is such a

fun article.
Like, why haven’t we done this

yet?
I’m sure it’s just going to feel

that way.
Like there are, she’s done so

much stuff that we get like, Oh
my God, I forgot how fun this

was.
True.

Just yet again, we’re surprised.
Even though we know it, we’re

surprised.
We have to remind you that as

Patreon members, you can receive
PFS of like the full size scans

that Ashley just recently made
some new lovely scans.

Also, the scans on the website
have been freshened up, but

they’re also like much smaller
than the ones you get to see as

a Patreon member.
And these are just like,

incredible.
Yeah, and not only are you

getting the photos on Patreon,
you’re gonna get the full

article.
So like, it’s literally as if

you were flipping through the
magazine.

And for someone like our
wonderful friend Brian, who just

told me he never got this
magazine, I know.

So he’s really excited about
seeing it.

So that’s.
Cool.

Hi, Brian.
We.

I love you, we do.
We love you Brian.

We’re happy to be of service to
you.

Always hope you get access to
the Drew stuff, anything you

want.
So we talked about how fun the

article is.
It’s done by Zev Borow.

I want to note that he seems to
have just fallen for Drew when

he was doing this.
Like, it’s very funny, it’s very

relatable, but he just feels
like he’s got such a crush and

so it’s really cute.
He’s like ATV writer.

I was trying to find if there
was any way we could contact

him, and I couldn’t find, like,
any direct.

But yeah, he’s still around
doing stuff, so that’s really

cool.
Love it.

The photos were taken by the
iconic photographer David La

Chapelle, and this was their
second shoot together.

They also did UK Premiere 1995.
That might not sound familiar

off the top of your head.
As soon as you see the pictures,

you would absolutely recognize
them.

They’ve printed in hundreds of
magazines.

It feels like there’s like Drew
with the grapefruit in the

little waitress outfit.
Like that one gets used a lot.

Drew is the crazy bride cutting
up the wedding cake.

You guys know these pictures.
So it’s he’s always very

colorful, very unique, and that
is no different with this shoe.

Right.
Absolutely.

It’s like his style is so
distinct.

Yeah.
Did they work together again or

is it only those two times?
I think it’s only those two.

Yeah, a little crazy.
I’m like imagine what else they

could create together.
Man yeah so good.

The hair was done by David
Mallett and the makeup by Thierry Mauduit,

both French based Which
the reason that there are French

hair and makeup people is that
the photo shoot and the article

were all done in France.
We’ll explain a little bit more

later.
The styling was done by Greg Fay

and Justin Laurie.
And just want to quickly note

that there’s really special kind
of unique headpieces that Drew

wears in all these photos, and
those were done by Sarah Harmarnee

for Alexander McQueen.
I did reach out to her but

didn’t get a response.
There was a very similar Alex

McQueen headpiece in the Spring

In fact, I think we both thought
it was the same headpiece, but

the I looked at it from a few
angles and it’s it’s not the

exact same one, but I bet Sarah
probably did that one too.

Yeah, probably so.
OK.

Are we ready to get into these
incredible photos?

I mean, this is going to be one
of those things where, like, I’m

not going to be able to do it
justice.

We can’t.
Yeah.

So you have to see them.
So make sure that you’re either

like watching along or hopefully
you’ve got the image in your

mind if you’re a fan where it’s
been around.

Giving you homework, You have to
go look at these.

You guys especially, like if
you’re here as a newer fan or a

casual fan of Drew, you might be
shocked by how like different

these are for her.
They don’t look like anything

else she’s ever done.
Well, a little bit of Harper’s

Bazaar in 1996.
I always thought there was a

couple similarities, but other
than that they’re very unique.

Actually, I do want to say
regarding that because I’ll just

say right now she’s wearing a
black wig in a lot of these.

And I don’t know if I had a
confusion, but I, I can only

imagine that the first time I
saw them I probably was like,

when?
When are these from?

Yeah, cuz it’s confusing you.
Know from 1996 without a doubt.

Straight up, OK, the photo shoot
was done in the Dordogne, France,

while Drew was filming Ever
After.

So that kind of places us in the
time and the place the shoot was

done at kind of like a castle
called the Chateau Dubai Knock.

So we just figured this out.
I think we were like, I don’t

know, talking last week and I
don’t even know was I like, can

we figure out where this was?
I don’t know how it came.

Out but and I was like why
didn’t I try that?

Yeah, did you do a reverse
Google image search?

Yeah.
And it immediately identified

where it was.
And then we they like found the

photos that really like
confirmed it wasn’t just stupid

Google AI guessing it was that
it was that.

It’s so cool.
I know I do want to have

clarity.
This is not the location that

was ever used forever after
different chateaus in the same

exact area were used, but this
one is unique to this photo

shoot.
Yes, it’s so cool.

Let’s just get into the three
setups.

We’ll get into the photos a
little bit, but again, go look

at them on the Drewseum.
You have to.

So one of the setups she has
like how you describe it this

way, an alienish outfit.
So it’s like a tight fitting

black, like leotard, basically
latex.

Yeah, and it’s like it’s like
tight fitting on her body.

And then it’s got like a pattern
on the front that makes it look

like alien.
It’s like a really kind of

perfect description.
Thank you.

The cover of the magazine and
one photo inside are from this

same setup.
I also didn’t like realize until

we were doing this that like the
photos are in a very like

organized manner the way they
are.

I know article.
Where like, yeah, because this,

the second photo is actually, if
you remember, you open the cover

and it flaps out and that’s
where that second photo is I.

Forgot that.
So it’s even more so like

connected.
Yeah.

Said she was wearing black wigs
in these.

This one’s like a blunt, like
Bob, basically with bangs.

It’s also like, interesting to
see her with like, bangs.

Like that’s not really.
Yeah, you know, so good.

So I’ve always.
Thought that this cover image is

like the best look at the color
of her eyes that you’ll ever

get.
Like I don’t know if it was like

very enhanced or not.
Like it almost looks like she

has sunflowers in her eyes.
They’re so amazing looking.

So definitely zoom in and look
at those if you’re on the

Patreon.
Before we move in, I’ll say a

couple more things.
So in the picture that’s like

the full body one, there’s a
couple things I love.

I love how like the the outfit
has like a pointed thing on her

foot so it like it like points
near her ankle.

I think that looks really cool
and she’s barefoot and we can

see her moon tattoo on her toe.
And it looks very dark.

I mean, I guess it was fairly
new at that time.

It was maybe 4 years old.
That’s weird to think about.

So weird.
And we’ll, I’ll just like to go

back to the cover for a second.
It’s super close up on her face.

She’s wearing one of the
incredible headdresses that we

mentioned early by earlier by
Sarah Harmarnee or however you

say her name.
So cool, like so unique, so

cool.
I don’t even can we even do it

justice?
Can you imagine seeing this on

stands with like no warning?
No.

And the crazy thing is, so when
I said at the top of the show

that this is like our origin
year, Anna and I became fans

right at this time.
But it was early days.

Like we wouldn’t have known
about something like this unless

we had come upon it.
Detour.

It was probably like in Borders
Bookstore, I would imagine.

But like, we would have had to
know and we just missed this one

and we both had to get it later.
It’s like right before I was

really, really paying attention
anyway, like it’s yeah, right

before.
And I don’t remember when I got

it, but I know it’s something
that like since the first time I

saw it, has been like.
That’s so cool.

Yeah.
So let’s talk about a little bit

more about the pictures.
Again, I’ll stop saying go look

at the pictures, but go look at
the pictures.

So the next set in the magazine,
she is like standing in front of

the Chateau, sort of like on
this like rocky area in the

front and wearing a curly wig,
like curly black wig and this

like, white Cape.
So cool.

I will say I feel like the
closer up one kind of reminds me

of those like Kevin Aquan, like
makeup.

Yeah.
You know.

Pictures.
Yeah.

Her makeup looks almost like
silent film star or something.

It’s really tense.
And the Cape was actually done

by the makeup artist, which is
so random that says that in the

credits.
But yeah, these are very

dramatic.
I’m sure that the, like,

lightning bolt behind her and
one of them was probably

inserted digitally.
I have to imagine unless they

got really lucky.
Has to be.

But they’re very Moody, like
very atmospheric, these ones.

Yes, totally.
And then the last setup is on

top of the Chateau, which we
found a match of the spot.

I was like intent to find it cuz
I was like, this is so cool.

Overlooking the Dordogne River.
And she’s wearing, like, a

shiny, grayish lavender dress
that’s like, kind of got like,

like, slatted parts through it
and another, like, really cool

headpiece that is, like, draped
over the curly hair again.

Yeah.
Gloves in a lot of these photos

like opera length gloves that
are so cool.

I guess we should say I think
like the first three are all

full page, right?
Yeah.

And then these one, there’s like
a set of four in this setup.

And I think we both love
anything where it’s like you get

to see multiple expressions of
her in the same environment.

Yeah, she’s being so expressive
in these.

It’s so fun.
Like lots of different vibes and

feelings are coming through.
You could literally do like

which one are you today?
Because they’re like, which one

is a different feeling that?
Totally actually I feel like

that’d be a fun like thing on
Instagram.

Like which true are you?
Like, I could do it, but these

are just, again, so cool.
Can’t get over it.

There’s no way we can describe
them.

They’re they’re so unique.
And if you know David LaChapelle

at all, like, you know how like,
surreal and like, yeah, kind of

otherworldly his shoots tend to.
Be a great way to put it I also

love just imagining that they’re
like OK we’re going to do this

photo shoot when when’s true
available.

Oh she’s in France.
Oh, she’s by all these, like,

castles and shut.
Yeah, let’s do it Like that’s

the theme that.
Yeah.

Like so.
Rad how fun.

We only have a few outtakes from
this magazine, which is a

bummer, but at least we have I
mean, we literally have three

and two of them are from the
close-ups on the cover.

And then the last one is very
different from the rest, like

it’s from the same outfit and
hair as her standing on like the

roof of the Chateau, but she’s
in front of this like weird blue

tiled wall.
So we have no idea.

Anne was trying to figure out
where those were taken.

We, we, I didn’t have any luck
yet.

Yeah, I just, I did like a brief
search.

I’m like, how do I find this?
The outtakes are also Oh my God

so.
Cool, beautiful.

We’ll share all of these on the
episode page.

Roll hot pictures of the
Chateau, like all kinds of fun

stuff for you guys.
I also I feel like I noticing

that one of the outtakes like
she’s wearing no she was like a

different.
Oh yeah, you’re right, the cover

is slightly is a different
outfit.

OK, hold on.
I just had a realization the

cover and that first picture,
like I don’t think she’s wearing

that necklace in the in the
stairs.

No she’s not, you’re right.
So the cover in the stairs are

slightly different, but she’s
the same headpiece and wig.

Same.
Headpiece.

Yep.
So.

Cool, amazing.
Love, Love, love, love.

Love, love so much love other
things we love, including this

article.
Oh my gosh, it’s crazy.

Like you not only do you get
these like really special unique

photos that are like, it’s also
like an oversized, slightly

oversized magazine.
It’s just like good quality

paper.
Right.

Is the paper good quality?
It’s great quality paper.

Hold on a second, we have
something to say about that I

love.
Paper.

Yeah, yes.
Paper, paper, Yeah, all right,

Ross says.
All right, we’ll move on.

OK, so let’s dive into this
article.

We both love the way this starts
so much.

It’s so sweet.
Gosh.

So the article opens up like
right away with a full page,

like, glowing description of
Drew’s dog Flossy, and like

Flossy’s coolness, and it goes
on and on.

We’ve got one quote, but it’s so
fun.

You got to like also read this
whole article.

It’s so great.
He said she about Flossy.

He said she positively oozes a
type of overwhelming coolness,

friendly and animated and cute
and kickback and smart and goofy

and poised and slick all at the
same time.

Flossy.
Right.

And if you haven’t heard our
pets episode, which we did like

a redux of that.
So listen to our one of our.

Pets episodes.
I think we might even read more

of this page in that one,
because it’s just so.

Good, probably the author said
that Flossy’s coolness is a

testament to Drew’s character,
which I’m sure having Drew as a

mom, like come on.
And also it’s kind of wild she’s

only had Flossy for like 2 years
at this point.

Like Oh my God, not even cuz 97
wow.

So like a year?
That’s so weird.

And also, I wondered, did she
only bring Flossy to France?

Yeah, Where was Templeton?
Right.

No mention of Templeton.
Well, remember, Templeton was

sometimes like at obedience
school and being a little

naughty.
That’s right.

That’s.
Right.

OK, so in this article, the
interview they’re doing, they

are meeting at a restaurant in a
small medieval town in remote

France.
As we said, they were in the

Dordogne region.
And this was in 1997 during the

filming of Ever After, which at
the time was just called like a

Cinderella movie.
There was No title that which is

so funny.
Like you read this whole

article, it’s never called Ever
After, right?

And the there’s a lot of direct
quotes that we’re going to pull

from this that are the author’s
words like a lot of time we

saved the direct quotes for
Drews words, but he just writes

about her in such a beautiful
way.

I kept finding myself being
like, I have to include this

We’ve.
Definitely had this with like.

I feel like one of them was like
Chris Heath for like, like U.S.

magazine, right?
Or like, or is that Rolling

Stone?
Anyway, I know we’ve had this

before where we like, love the
way people write about her.

Yeah, and this is definitely one
of them.

So this is one of the first
things that Zev writes.

He says there isn’t much
regarding the Life and Times of

Drew Barrymore that hasn’t been
addressed in writing ad nauseam.

She can go toe to toe or rather
column inch for column inch with

just about anyone, especially
when you consider she is only 22

years old.
And actually is that, is that

how old she would have been?
Yeah, I guess she was about to

turn 23 when the when the
magazine came out.

So yeah, she was 22.
Crazy.

Just a little baby.
So crazy.

Also I love I like column inch
for column inch is so fun.

It’s so good.
It’s so.

Good.
And then he does like a quick

summary of her life.
He goes through like a lot

really quickly.
But it’s fun because I think

it’s fun that he’s like, I don’t
know what else.

Well, it’s that thing that’s
like, we always got to get this

out of the way, right?
And like, sometimes they’d go on

and on, and sometimes some of
the writers seem to acknowledge,

OK, we got to just mention this
and let’s move on.

And that’s what Zeb seems to.
Yes.

So here’s a couple like tidbits
he pulls out.

So Drew was born into the
Barrymore family with an

absentee dad.
And he says who has not worn

shoes nor driven a car for most
of the past 20 years.

And to be actress mom who read
her daughter bedtime stories by

Henry Miller.
And he says Drew went from a

little blonde girl in ET to
poster child for adolescent

celebrity fuck ups with tell all
book.

He said that she was an out of
work actress living with David

Crosby.
She played Amy Fisher, got

married and divorced at 19,
posed nude in Playboy and other

places like David Letterman’s
desk, dated guitarist from whole

Erik Erlandson.
We mentioned him earlier because

of the we’re talking about that
picture that of course in an

interview.
And then he also says she became

a better actress, appeared on
lots of magazine covers, starred

in Everyone says I Love You and
Scream.

Just talking about her legendary
life.

I mean, imagine, like being able
to sum it all up in one

paragraph.
But yeah.

But then he goes on to describe
her these days, these days being

Yeah.

And he says that she’s a weird
and wonderful post Hollywood

woman, child wise beyond her
years, yet somehow a girl

interrupted, Sincere as she is
sly, calculating as she is,

carefree, mesmerizing as a car
wreck, brilliant as the sun.

Love it so good.
And then I of course love this

part, he says dissecting Drew
Barrymore is an addiction.

Yes, it is.
Really.

Can’t relate.
You get hooked while you think

you’re not looking.
Of course you’re always looking.

Always have been.
There is always been something

to see.
There still is.

That old chair?
Drew Barrymore.

She’s always over in the corner
and you wanna look at her.

I’ve had a.
Thought about that.

Like that she calls herself like
an old chair.

I was like, is that why she
called the Drew chair The Drew

chair?
She thinks she’s a chair.

Oh my God.
It’s really funny.

I love this, and I love that you
made this connection too, He

said.
She sprouted from the cracks on

Santa Monica Blvd. an organic
oddity which goes so perfect

with our like Wildflower
conversations recently.

If she had sprout from the
cracks.

Amazing how similar that is.
And I did see, do you remember I

sent you something recently.
It was right after we released

our Wildflower episode, and it
was something saying maybe it

was this actually, but it was
something saying the same thing.

No, I think it was somebody else
that said it about her, that she

was like a flower blooming out
of the sidewalk.

I do remember this and I can’t
remember start it off, but it’s

just such a perfect description
of her also coming out of any,

any difficulties or you know,
whatever.

She just sprouts up like a
beautiful flower.

He also says that Drew is
different from everyone else and

that’s why we all want to get
her, but it’s impossible, so all

we can do is stand around and
watch.

Or you can be weirdos and start
a fan site for 20 years in a

podcast that’s over 100 episodes
trying to get her.

You know what?
We’re not standing around

anywhere.
We are very actively involved.

Yes, yes.
All right, So let’s talk about

what how he describes her
present look at the moment.

He says that her hair at the
moment is chopped short and dyed

an interesting shade of red,
which is.

I’ve never thought of the ever
after hair as red.

I think it’s like it’s brown
with like, Auburn tints to it.

Yeah, we have seen this was a
very short lived hairstyle for

her.
So yes, if you don’t know most

of her hair and ever after is
extensions and basically like

only up to not even her chin was
her real hair length, but it’s

the same color as the extensions
and ever after.

But there’s a couple photos of
her trying on costumes for the

film and then she also did the E
celebrity profile with this

hairstyle.
I like, I’m trying to think of

what that timeline must have
been because according to some

photos we have during filming,
they were still filming the

movie like around November 11th.
And then by the time she goes

and does the mademoiselle cover
shoot with blonde hair, that was

like a couple days before
Thanksgiving.

Oh wow.
So it’s like I’m wondering like

she finished Ever After, flew
back to LA, filmed the celebrity

profile interview, dyed her hair
blonde, did mademoiselle in the

span of like 2 weeks.
It’s crazy.

That’s.
Kind of amazing.

I really miss the days where
charting her hair helped, you

know when things were.
I’ve been trying to sort some

some like recent photos, recent
being from like 2017 to now

earlier today.
And I was just like, I had no

idea when anything was taken.
So much more difficult.

That’s so hard.
Yeah, we can.

We can like identify anything up
to like a certain point.

I feel like to like 2009.
I feel like any anything after

like that 20. 10/20/10’s good.
We could do that and then you’re

right and then it’s like cuz

A lot of time it’s like 16
years.

We are like, I know you said

like even longer.
Wear.

I agree.
Oh, Drew, OK.

OK, back-to-back to back to the
look.

So he also describes that she’s
wearing deep purple corduroys,

an old black sweatshirt, and
almost no makeup.

She’s super tiny in person,
which we’ve always, like,

commented on, and her eyes
actually sparkle.

So this is where I’m starting to
be like Zev likes her.

Also, I love we love
descriptions of what she’s

wearing so much.
I’m like, I love corduroys.

I can’t picture any deep purple
corduroys that like we’ve seen

her pictured in, but I love it.
I love it so much.

You mentioned that they’re at a
restaurant, so they’re at a

pizza restaurant in Sarlat.
He said it’s a town that’s

frozen in time with windy
cobblestone streets and old

churches.
Sounds so rad.

Lenny mentions how she’s there
to film Cinderella, quote, UN

quote.
Ever After with Angelika Houston

for 20th Century Fox.
He describes that they’re

drinking red wine, and he says
Drew drinks wine and beer and

doesn’t think that should freak
anyone out.

You know, because of her path.
Just like kind of interesting

considering like now where we
know things went, I don’t know,

it’s very unique time right
here.

Right.
If you don’t know, she does.

She no longer drinks.
She’s not sober.

She’s not sober.
She doesn’t work a program.

Yes.
He also described that Drew has

her first cigarette in eight
days.

And she said I’m going to have
one.

Now you know why?
Because it feels good.

As a smoker, I can agree.
Sorry man, I know I like this,

he says.
Then she smiles, a curly cue of

a smile, and slowly shakes her
head in a way that makes you

want to say, yeah.
It occurs to you, or rather to

me, that Drew Barrymore was
probably once a pretty fun girl

to get drunk with.
Oh.

Yeah.
Oh yeah.

I like this girl.
Yeah.

OK, so he writes.
So Drew isn’t interested in

small talk.
She prefers deep in weird

conversations until the end of
time, with frequent breaks for

involuntary fits of
uncontrollable laughter.

Love it.
Accurate.

Yep.
She tells Zev that she’s the

happiest she has ever been in
her life, which it’s interesting

how many times she has said that
over the years.

Yeah, which is great.
I want her to continue feeling

like now is the best time.
Yeah, it’s kind of funny.

And then here’s a really nice
quote from Drew, she says.

With every line that draws
itself on my face, I’m not only

happier and laughing more, but
I’ve learned things about love,

about acting, about being a
woman, about how to take care of

myself physically, all the
important things.

Sometimes I smoke and drink.
Sometimes I do nothing but

indulge in the most pure
ingredients and jog every day

for weeks.
But I’m not a workout in a gym

type of girl.
Get me in a gym and I’m like a

naked stripper in Poland.
What?

Oh, it gets weirder.
So then he like, sets it up.

He’s like, OK, next comes one of
her frequent bizarre non

sequiturs, AKA, as you guys
know, Drew Isms.

Yes.
And she says Barbie Ice Capades

meets Norwegian heat death trap.
I have no clue what that means,

but I like it.
And I’m sure that was just like

off the cuff.
Yeah.

So she said that, of course.
Yep.

Perfect realism, Perfect.
Realism.

That’s what she feels like if
she’s at a gym at this time.

It’s really good, Oh my God.
And then he gushes about her

giggle.
That yet another like, reason to

believe that he’s just falling
for this girl.

He says it’s one of a fucking
kind.

It just bubbles out of her
loudly, and if you spend any

time with her, you’ll hear it a
lot.

If she worked it, Drew’s giggle
could probably start a war.

Zeb calm down it is so cute we
love her laugh too of.

Course we do.
Of course.

So Drew talks about how she is
quixotic and romantic, and the

article mentions her slightly
new relationship with Luke

Wilson.
They’ve been together for around

a year or so.
At this time, their start date

of the relationship is very
question, dubious to us, very

vague it.
Might overlap a little bit some

other relationships.
It mentions how Drew first met

Luke at a dinner at Tamara
Davis’s house when they were

both cast in Best Men.
We’ve talked about this quite a

few times.
It’s funny how, like, many times

it’s come up sort of recently,
like, since we started the

podcast.
Yeah.

And then there’s a quick little
segue, like a little sidebar

mention of when Drew was living
with Tamara Davis and her

husband, Mike D, for a while as
a teenager.

Mike D of the Beastie Boys, in
case you’re wondering.

And Drew says, I was 16, and I
took off from the house where I

was living with a laundry bag
and stayed there.

Tamara and Mike’s home is filled
with what I believe every child

should grow up around, art and
music and film and creativity

and intelligence and
inspiration.

I loved living with them.
That’s so sweet.

I didn’t pull like, cuz I think
it was the New York.

What’s that called?
New York Magazine, the one that

came out a couple years ago that
was so amazing that we probably

should cover.
Yeah.

The one that was shot by Mark
Seliger.

Yeah, I think in that one, I
know Tamara gives first of all

quotes about Drew and Luke
meeting each other, but I think

she also talks about how, like,
Mike D would be like, a little

bit like, protective of Drew
because, like, sometimes she

wouldn’t come home or like,
she’d come home with a new

tattoo.
And like, yeah, they very much

felt like, you know, these kind
of like, parental feelings

towards her.
Yeah, it’s so sweet.

Tamara, we want to talk to you
so badly.

Come on the podcast.
Right, that would be fun to have

her on.
And then Drew says that she and

Luke have not lived together,
but she could see herself

marrying Luke even though
overall she doesn’t think

marriage has evolved such as
life has.

That’s a frequent Drew quote.
Yep.

And then I left this because
this goes so perfectly with 51st

States and why it was so
meaningful to her, she says.

I think what it’s about is
believing in someone and

fighting for your relationship
with them on a daily basis,

which is like exactly what she
felt the theme of that movie was

and why she wanted to do it so
badly.

And then the freaking Drew
Barrymore show on their

Instagram today.
Did you see this?

Yes.
They posted something of her

talking to an audience member
about this.

And I’m like, the timing is so
crazy.

It’s so funny how everything
just, like, rolls around.

Yep, we always come back to like
the same sentiments.

Like, again, Drew’s consistency.
OK, then we get into some

obligatory conversation about
Drew’s parents.

Drew talks about how her dad
lives on her property now.

She talks about the home that
she just bought, which which was

the home on Cherokee that she
bought in July of 1997.

And she talks about inviting her
father to stay in the guest

house, she said.
I found this house and it’s like

magic, like a total hippie
commune.

It has really worked out for us.
My father has done very hurtful

things to me, but I’m 22 and I
forgive him.

He’s always been an experimenter
and certain experiments have

made him an ugly person at
times.

I’m just getting to know him
now.

Yes, it’s, and again, we were
just talking about this too,

because she was telling Bill
Maher about how her dad lived in

the tree house is what they
called it, because Bill Maher

owns that property.
Now, if you guys don’t know,

it’s like really trippy.
But yeah, Drew, this is the

house that burnt down.
So Drew was only there for,

well, I guess four years, but it
sounds like it was so special.

I wish we had more photos of it.
We hardly have anything.

Gosh.
And then of course, she talks

about her mom, but very briefly.
She said same old, same old.

We talk, but we don’t talk.
I’ve come to really appreciate

what she’s done for me and my
life.

She raised me, but we just don’t
get along.

There’s no poison there though,
It’s fine.

It’s like I read that I was like
same old same old for real.

Like.
This could have been something

she said yesterday.
Yep, Yep.

Totally has changed.
It’s wild.

She’s like, I appreciate being
alive and like that I have this

career.
So thanks Mom, but we don’t need

to like be besties anymore.
Yeah, yeah.

So the article was being done to
promote the release of The

Wedding Singer, which came out
that month, February 98.

Drew said about it.
I’m really psyched with it.

It’s just good romantic comedy,
really fucking rich.

And I really wanted to work with
Adam Sandler, of course.

He was like this big hero of
mine and we had such a great

time working together.
He’s a really good actor too.

In the previews, they show all
the scenes that are really kind

of Adam Sandler ish, but he’s
really more than that in this

movie.
I liked that quote a lot.

Which I know we talked about
that.

I think just, I mean, I’m sure
it was that quote was like in my

head, but I know we talked about
like the moments in The Wedding

Singer that they showed in the
commercials where he’s like

yelling, but how that’s really
not what he’s like for the

majority of the movie.
Right, right.

But it was like how trailers are
cut is always like, yeah,

attract people of the movie.
I also love that they’re talking

about, like, The Wedding Singer
promoting The Wedding Singer,

where we’re like just talking
about 51st dates.

Yeah.
Do you think I was having a

thought recently, do you think
like sort of part of the way

that Drew got in to meet with
Adam was because Tamara Davis

had just done Billy Madison?
Oh, I don’t.

I’ve never thought about.
That yeah, it like recently

occurred to me.
I was like, oh, that’d be

interesting if like, Tamara kind
of like set that up because Drew

was like pounding down his door
forever, it feels like.

Right.
I wouldn’t be surprised.

It’d be cool to confirm that.
Yeah, I’d never.

I’d never thought about that,
truly.

Again, Tamara, we need to talk
to you.

Yes, the author comments that
The Wedding Singer is continuing

a new theme for Drew’s work,
which is no more fucked up

Lolita type characters.
Julia Julia is like one of the

most, you know, like pure little
Angel.

Lovely.
Yes.

And Drew talks about that, that
character and how she felt about

it.
And I love that.

It’s like, yeah, I, I guess I
we, we, we did talk about this.

I think we did wedding singer
that like realizing how big the

wedding singer was for her
career.

Yeah, I mean, it’s her first
romantic comedy lead.

It’s crazy.
Yeah, Drew says that she wants

new movies that are fun to see,
and she’s getting the best

scripts of her career, she said.
But the industry is like the

ocean.
It has its tidal waves and soft

currents and under toes.
Right now for me, it’s soft

currents.
And that’s great.

I love this next thing, too.
She said her priority is being a

good employee and doing her job
well.

She always says that like, she
loves working.

She loves like, being like being
there, being reliable, you know,

like, I think she says something
too about being of service.

Yes.
And I was like, that’s so.

Her that’s so her it actually so
I was just re watching for the

first time in so long her inside
the actors studio.

Someone just uploaded it.
You’ve got to get to.

It I need to watch it, Yeah.
But I couldn’t remember, like,

of course, we’ve talked about
the Kate Hudson SNL episode

where they do drew on inside the
Actors Studio.

So her answers to those like
questions at the end and like I

only can remember the SNL ones.
That’s so funny.

So for the most part, but
you’ve.

Quoted that too many times to
not remember.

It, it’s so good.
And so he asks, when you know,

if heaven exists, what would you
like God to say to you?

Yeah.
And rather than the SNL, which

is, hey, Drew Barrymore, you’ve
treated people with kindness.

You smell like flowers.
Yeah.

So that’s what you think she
would say.

But what she actually says,
which is why I’m bringing this

up, she says relax already.
And I’m like, Oh my gosh.

Because she just wants to work
and do a good job and like

beating herself up all the time.
Like these things have never

changed about her.
Relax.

Already True.
OK, so this is an interesting

part of the article.
Yeah.

Zev is getting a little
protective of his girl because

he’s talking about how, like,
Drew is associated with sex in

the public mind, which maybe
that doesn’t make sense to you

guys now, but at this time, this
is very much a thing.

So he says how, like, when
people that he knew found out

that he had interviewed Drew,
this is how he describes it.

They get all snickery and winky
and ask you things like, so did

you 2, you know, hit it off.
Suddenly it’s all innuendo.

And he’s, like, saying how
that’s ridiculous.

And he doubts that people do
that about Claire Danes or

Gwyneth Paltrow.
And then he notes that there’s

more sweet than sexy to Drew in
person.

She’s a messy eater and likes to
talk about bodily functions that

many people find embarrassing.
And then he says she does have a

nearly overwhelming personality.
And if she ever turned the sex

charm on full blast in your
direction, you, male or female,

would probably start to stutter.
But still, dot, dot, dot.

Like he’s just like, why are you
being like this about her?

Which I I definitely appreciate
it.

It was cool.
Like it’s so, you know, people

wouldn’t do that now about her.
She’s like rebranded herself.

But at this time, like, this is
like, right after, you know,

Playboy, Letterman, like, yeah.
Like all that stuff, it’s so

fresh.
And it’s interesting because I

feel like she really
intentionally chose Ever After

as this like reinvention of her
image.

Like a palette cleanser and.
Like here she is filming it and

it worked.
Right.

I love that he says like I don’t
know if people would do this

about like Claire Jane’s Claire
Danes are going at the poet row

cuz like those are like good
examples of like people that you

wouldn’t immediately like think
of.

She’s good, you have sex with
her.

Right, exactly.
It’s an interesting part of the

article, but it’s, it’s, it’s
good to go into that because,

like, she’s trying to get away
from that Lolita thing, you

know?
So it’s like as a woman coming

out this way.
So the following night, after

they were out at the pizza
parlor, they met in his hotel

lobby late at night at the Ever
After wrap party.

I like that Drew said that
she’s, like, tired, but she

couldn’t.
Like, she wouldn’t dare skip the

party without looking like a
bitch.

Like she was worried that they
would.

Yeah.
Which by all reports, she was so

great to the cast and crew of
that film, Like got musical

instruments for everybody and
had like a Halloween party and

got like better food than the
catering.

You know, like she was supposed
to be like, so great.

Like no one would ever think you
were a bitch, Drew.

I’m sure she’s just like felt
the pressure.

She is like the star.
Of course she has to be there.

And then we get into this really
fun part where it’s just like

tidbit after tidbit.
Tidbits galore.

We need like a little Jingle for
that.

Yeah, we do.
OK.

So first she lists further and
cantankerous as two of her

favorite words and says she
fucking loves words.

Read that dictionary on your
body.

Exactly.
She likes the androgyny of her

name, but she says that her
friends only call her D or

Daisy.
Love it.

She prefers salty over sweet.
Again, like, I feel like these

are all still applicable to her.
Yeah.

She absolutely wants kids and
feels her biological clock

ticking.
And this is only a few months,

not even a year after filming
Home Fries.

And, like, you know, she’s super
in love with Luke and wants to

move to Texas and live on a farm
with him.

So.
Yeah.

And I’m glad she acknowledges
that.

She’s like, really young but
feels the clock ticking.

Yeah, she likes mayonnaise and
lettuce sandwiches and jokes.

Just sorry but.
Right.

I was just going to say we just
talked about this.

We just had that injury.
We both said, like what?

She just mentioned that on it.
Makes me want to try a

mayonnaise and lettuce sandwich.
I don’t love mayonnaise, but I’m

like, maybe there’s some
lightning in a bottle here.

She says she also likes Joan
Jett and cleaning your hands

with baby wipes.
And I remember the baby wipes

thing because I started to carry
baby wipes in my purse after

like reading it.
And I wrote this in a comment

here and you said that it’s
mentioned in Jane 97 as.

Well, yeah, I think she, like,
cleans her feet with them.

But it definitely made me go,
oh, I want to start carrying

baby wipes again because
obviously when I have a diaper

bag, they’re always there and
they’re really helpful.

Like, they come in handy a lot.
Totally, totally.

She says she doesn’t think she’s
a bad singer, which she’s

definitely like, gone back and
forth about that.

MIT totally she said she loves
cheerzing with drinking glasses

and hates quote those half
assers who don’t clink

everyone’s glass UN quote.
So true assers.

I love it.
She considers herself a stain

removal expert and prefers the
product DD 7.

She even talks about when the
commercial comes on she gets

really jazzed.
So cute.

She’s a voracious reader and
recently completed.

She lists all these books.
So she lists a Paul Bowles book

and Gita Mehta’s The River
Sutra, some poetry by William

Carlos Williams, The Alchemist,
Joan Didion’s Democracy, and

some arcane Jewish philosophy.
She’s like, all over the place.

We’ll end up thinking about the
fact that she, like, was reading

poetry on the boat with Kim
Green.

OH.
Yeah.

I wonder if it was William,
Carlos William.

No, I think she said it was.
She said it was like, I think.

I think Kim, in our interview
with her said what she was

reading.
I can’t remember what it was.

That’s so funny.
So if you guys don’t know, we

interviewed Drew’s makeup
artist, Kim Green, who worked on

a lot of her projects, including
Ever After.

And she tells a really funny
story about being on the river

in a boat.
And Kim was like rowing the boat

and Drew was just reading
poetry.

And it was like the most Drew
thing ever.

Like literally in the dordan.
Like it’s at the same moment I

love.
It I love that she also

considers herself spiritual, but
not part of any organized

religion she loves.
Austin.

Powers.
She thinks Sean Penn and

Jennifer Jason Lee are fucking
amazing actors.

She has definitely mentioned
that many times before.

And usually she cites their
range, like how different they

are in all of their projects.
Yep, she doesn’t like the

expression kicking a dead horse,
she said.

Like, I don’t want to be
involved in kicking a horse

ever, especially not dead.
What?

She has a production company
called Flower Films and they

have a deal with Fox, as we
know.

So they were kind of like
quietly, silently sort of

producing Ever After, they with
Scream Wedding Singer, Ever

After they were learning the
ropes and like shoot, that’s why

she’s very involved in that
movie, but she doesn’t

technically have a production
credit.

Yes.
She talks about the previous

summer in 1996 that she drove
cross country and she describes

it as a pink RV, which when we
look at the pictures that we

have, it’s not pink on the
exterior, but you noted maybe on

the interior.
Maybe that’d be so cool.

And do I have that sound about
the car?

Oh yes, Oh my God, I forgot.
What’s that?

Oh, it’s the RV Dougy.
It’s.

The magic car Home away from
home.

I forgot about her.
You’re such a great singer.

Yeah, why does she look?
She’s a bad singer.

That’s amazing.
All the way from home.

The magic car.
I’m glad I had that on the

soundboard.
Worth it?

So good.
She likes The Rolling Stones

lyric that is the sunshine Bores
the daylights out of me and

that’s from the song Rocks Off.
OK, she loves Texas, and her

partner at the time, Luke
Wilson, is.

From Texas, man was from.
Yeah.

And finally, she’s not sure if
she’d break for a rainbow like

in her car, but she’d definitely
honk.

I love.
This I love these little so good

and this is a fun multiple
choice of like Co stars of Drew

and who said it between Adam
Sandler, Angelica Houston or

Edward Norton.
It’s.

Like a little quiz.
Yeah, it’s, it’s fun.

So the first one, she is the
hardest girl to say goodbye to.

It makes your heart hurt.
And she’s very smart.

Her thoughts on everything make
you think, oh, that’s a nice way

to look at life.
Whenever she hangs out with me

and my friends, she changes the
whole feel of the room.

She’s got it the most positive
aura.

And that was Adam Sandler.
I love that quote so much.

It’s.
So, so sweet.

I think that the.
Longer version of that quote, we

definitely used it in our Adam
Sandler episode.

And he says, like, I love her,
the birds love her, my grandma

loves her.
That’s cute.

OK.
The next one is she’s very

savvy, but she’s an old soul.
Some people go through bad

experiences and come through it
cynical.

She seems to have come through
it with a heightened sense of

compassion.
Very true.

And that was Edward Barton.
All right, so spoiler alert, you

know the last ones, Angelica
Houston.

Angelica Houston said.
She is a kind of extraordinary

dichotomy.
On one hand, she’s 22 and very

vulnerable, but she has this
vast amount of experience.

But I think that sometimes she
can be very hard on herself.

She’s learned to forgive the
world around her, but she has

yet to learn to forgive herself.
Angelica coming through with the

truth bombs here, like, this is
an early time to hear something

like that.
I feel like.

Yeah.
And it’s so true.

God, I feel like if Drew heard
that right now, she’d just be

like, this is so true.
Like Angelica?

Got it.
Yeah, she did.

It’s amazing.
It’s really, it’s cool.

OK, so now we’re kind of getting
to the wrap up of this beautiful

article and Zev is, you know,
describing our girl again.

Drew says that she used to cry a
lot claiming that she gets that

trait from her mother, but she’s
doing it less and less these

days.
She mentions that her biggest

regret, and sometimes she said
her only regret is her short

lived marriage to Jeremy Thomas
when she was 19.

And we have a good quote here.
She says I could never explain

it nor do I care to, but I
learned from it.

I really have no regrets about
anything.

I’ve had bad times, but the
rewards have always been there

and they got better.
People look at my life and say,

whoa, you’ve been really fucked
up.

I’m like, yeah, but look at what
I got to do.

I really appreciate it.
I trip on it every day and I

know what it’s like to have it
all taken away.

Amazing.
Yep, the author said that Drew’s

a very hard girl not to like.
And here’s like another fun

quote, he said.
Even with her fault, including,

she says, like too much with
more than a bit of Valley Valley

twang.
Hold on, I just have to say

fucking Sherman Oaks.
If you listen to Wildflower

Chapter 1, you’ll know what
we’re talking about, yes.

And has a big old vein of mushy
hippie cosmic thoughts running

through her.
She’ll tell you how badly she

wants to direct.
And her ability to charm at all

costs, were it to be used for
purposes of evil instead of

good, could have previously
noted, incite armed aggression.

He’s like, you guys don’t
understand.

If she turns the charm on you,
it’s all over.

Yes, he clearly was struggling.
Yeah, he said.

Also that she’s genuine and
truly knows what it means to be

down and out.
Yeah, which is like a huge part

of why so many people admire
her.

Like, she has been there.
She has been at the bottom and

the yes, the resilience, the
perfect word that you and

Cameron Diaz both used to
describe her.

Damn it, Cameron, I wanted to.
Use that.

So it wraps up, and this is
amazing because again, if you

listen to Wildflower Chapter 1,
you’ll know more about this.

But Drew tells the avocado tree
story again.

So we mentioned in our Patreon
episode, like several instances

of articles where she talks
about wanting to be buried under

an avocado tree.
And now she got the idea from

the movie Foxes.
So here it is again.

Again, just a wonderful
consistency that we have.

Yep.
And the author says, OK, well,

that’s about death.
What about life?

And she considers for a bit, and
then she says, I love this.

I guess I just want to feel like
I’m walking around on lighted

tiles.
And then he asks if she means

like Michael Jackson in the
Billie Jean video and she

replies exactly, and then
giggles.

OK, so that wraps up the article
in a lovely little way.

Giggle like we always like that.
We have a little fun like moment

at the end here where we have a
letter from the editor from one

of our followers, which is so.
Funny, so this is Instagram user

Co knockout life KO knockout
life and this person is a way OG

early drew fan like Drew B early
like so her scrapbooks are

literally like from the late 80s
early 90s Incredible.

So anyway, she had sent us
photos of them at one point

years ago.
For some reason I was randomly

looking at them again and I
noticed that this was in there

and she had even commented on
the time like she was very

surprised and excited when it
got printed so well.

She the whole thing is about
like the overall issue of detour

and how much she loved the
magazine.

But we’ll just read the section
about Drew.

OK, in the letter to the editor,
she said on the quest for the

perfect magazine for the month
of February, I took a detour,

wink wink at a unique magazine
with a shiny, slick, Swank Drew

Barrymore cover.
I have been a fan of Drew for

longer than I haven’t, and never
in my life have I come across an

article so well written on her.
That’s cool, so good.

I love that.
And what’s her name?

Katie Oliver from Texas, OH.
Yeah, I didn’t even notice that.

And we love, I mean, we’ve had
like a few times where or maybe

only once.
I mean, there was one time that

we had Missy’s letter.
Yeah, have.

We ever had any other like
response letters?

That we know, like people we
know.

Yeah.
I don’t think from people we

know, but we are lucky enough to
have like quite a few of these

like follow-ups to the issues
with people’s comments.

It’s definitely a nice way to
like wrap it up.

I really I like that magazines
used to do that again, another

thing was just like from the
past.

Do they do?
They don’t do that anymore.

I can’t imagine it doesn’t seem
like it.

Do magazines exist at all
anymore?

Good question with Chitty paper
only, that’s weekly looking at

you, yes.
Oh, gosh.

All right.
So thanks you guys.

Hopefully you enjoyed this.
Like look back if you remember

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How Do You Drew Episode 124 – 50 First Dates

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Aloha and welcome to How Do You
Drew

This is a Drew Barrymore podcast
brought to you by the fans,

friends and historians behind
the Drewseum.

We’re drawing on over 25 years
of Drewbie expertise to dive into

all aspects of Drews world, from
her personal life to her

professional career.
Thanks to our sponsors and

friends at Positive Medium.
I’m Anne.

And I’m Ashley, and this week
we’re discussing 50 First Dates.

I love how you surprised me with
the Aloha.

I surprised myself.
It was literally on the fly.

Wait, I just realized you were
like wearing a themed.

Outfit.
Yeah, of course.

I’m just in like.
All black.

Like beanie hair flattened with
my head, Whatever.

You’re in Maine, you’re not in
Hawaii.

Vibes.
It’s OK, you’re in true.

No, it’s literally like 30° or
less here right now so it

doesn’t feel very tropical, but
it’s fun to like watch this and

feel warm for a second.
Yeah, let’s, let’s take you

there in our imagination.
With this.

Film.
Before we get into that, we have

a couple quick things at the
top, but then we’ll get right

into the movie, guys.
Yeah, cuz this is a biggie.

OK, I just want to quickly give
a shout out of thank you to our

newest Patreon members, Samantha
and Crystal.

So thank you guys so much for
signing up.

And just a reminder to all of
you that our coverage of Chapter

It’s really good.

There is some exclusive info in
there that you guys probably

don’t know.
And then I’m also scheduled for

photos that are very, very rare
to go up that accompany it.

So please get on over there
$1.00 a month.

That’s all it takes, guys.
We are having so much fun

already with that.
Thank you to the new Patreon

members.
Yay and also join our Patreon.

Patreon.com/howdoyoudrew
Right, enough ads at the top.

One more thing before we get
into the episode.

Happy Valentine’s Day.
That’s one of the huge reasons

that we’re doing this episode
right now.

Like very.
Yeah, this is our little love

message to you guys and.
Also, happy birthday to Drew our

girl.
This is the last episode that

we’ll have before her birthday,
so we have to put it out now,

our girl.
Happy birthday to you.

We love you.
Happy birthday, Drew 51.

Sorry we’re not there to
celebrate with you this year.

I’m sure you’re really bummed
about it.

Now let’s get into it.
All right, 50 First Dates is

directed by Peter Segal, who
Drew absolutely loves, and it’s

really sweet to see that little
relationship.

And it was written by George
Wing, so he’s the official

credited writer.
He wrote the original

screenplay, which we will talk
about.

There are a lot of uncredited
rewrites by several other

people.
Drew specifically mentions that

Alan Covert, Tim Hurley, and
Adam Sandler of course work

diligently every day of to
enhance the script and make the

scenes funnier.
So Adam and his normal crew all

had their hands in this one,
just like The Wedding Singer and

I’m sure all of his other films.
Yeah, and we’ll get into some of

those changes from the original
script while we’re going through

the movie, so that’ll be fun
too.

The movie was produced by Jack
Jaraputo, Steve Golan and Nancy

Juvonen.
We were both surprised to find

out that Drew and Adam
themselves are not credit as

producers, but of course their
companies are.

So we have Flower Films and
Happy Madison like at the top,

but it’s weird so.
Confused by that?

It seems very weird to me.
Well let’s have a produce so

credit on this.
Like what?

Well.
What about like like on

Charlie’s Angels is she listed
herself as a OK?

Interesting.
I don’t know.

I wonder what the the reason
was.

Maybe they like we’re a little
bit more hands off in some ways.

Who knows?
Seem like it, but who knows?

We don’t.
We don’t know about the showbiz.

Right.
And the movie, as we said at the

top, this is the anniversary of
the film right around now.

So it was released on February

So happy 22nd anniversary to

Dates crazy and I love that
neither of us were like, oh it’s

a cool anniversary.
Like your boyfriend was the one

who pointed out 22.
Like, he’s like, what’s Drew’s

favorite number?
I was like, oh, like I felt

really stupid for a second
because as I said it out loud, I

was like, maybe thought it, but
like we weren’t thinking about

that.
But anyway, 22 for Drew’s

birthday on 2/22.
Works out so well.

Works out so well.
We love when the stuff happens

accidentally on purpose.
Yeah, numbered nerds.

OK, here is our description.
This time we’re going to do it

from Prime, Amazon Prime rather
than IMDb, because I thought

this one was better.
So here we go.

A Hawaiian island Playboy has to
use his imagination to win over

the girl of his dreams when he
discovers she has no short term

memory.
Every night he has erased from

her memory so he has to make her
fall in love with him all over

again the next day.
Perfect.

Well said.
Yeah, that pretty much.

That’s what I need.
Yeah.

OK, so now let’s get into the
making of.

So we always have these like
heavy, sort of.

Here’s what we learned about
what happened before the movie

even came out.
Yeah, so much yes.

Okay, so originally the title of
the film was 50 First Kisses, and it

was more of like a small sad
melodrama that mostly took place

in the cafe.
So already like many different

feelings.
The screenwriter also said it

was a small, personal little
movie that was changed.

I wonder how they felt about
that.

Do we know anything about?
I was reading the article where

that quote came from and it it
sounded more like he was just

surprised that it became this
huge big budget thing.

I don’t know that he was like
upset about it, but he was just

like, wow, I wasn’t expecting
this.

That’s interesting.
Nancy had found the script.

So Nancy Duvone, we mentioned
her earlier, Drew’s major

partner, if you guys don’t know
that she found the script while

Drew was filming, writing cars
with.

And Drew really only wanted to
focus on writing cars with boys

at that moment, which makes
sense.

She was, like, so serious about
what was going on, deeply into

it.
Yeah.

And Nancy insisted that she read
it so she felt.

Strongly about that I could.
Totally.

Picture that.
Yeah, me too.

So Drew, of course, knew once
she read it, she had to be

involved in some way with this
movie.

And she didn’t know whether she
was going to have time to do

that as an actress or if we
would just be producing.

But she just loved the message
of the script, which was to her,

how do you Make Love stay?
And she told People magazine to

reinvent love every day is what
people should be doing for each

other.
And she also told Glamour, I

believe in the premise of the
film, which is that you can fall

in love with someone every day.
And it is also a comedy.

And I love to laugh.
And I think that love and

laughter go hand in hand.
So she’s just like, yes, this is

I Even if it was, like, so
wildly different at the time.

Yeah.
That script, like the core

message of it, spoke to her big.
Time, yes, big time.

Which is she?
She’s like, is consistent, like

laughter, love, like we know
those are things that Drew is

like.
Those are the things that have

to go hand in hand.
If somebody can’t make me laugh,

I can’t.
And you not love them?

Yeah.
Exactly.

So anyway, so they had
considered like casting another

actress since Drew was so busy,
which is so interesting to think

of crazy.
So they staged a table read with

Drew reading this part of Lucy
and she totally fell in love

with it.
She said it felt small, deep and

very emotional.
So I like how like what she was

getting out of, I’m guessing the
original version of the script

they were reading.
So like it was called like small

personal.
Like small always comes up,

little like, you know in this
one, little like the the

director refers to the original
script.

Being in the cafe is like very
claustrophobic.

Like to me, I’m almost imagining
it was like a play.

Yeah.
Like you could, I mean, maybe

that’s how the adaptation that
we’ll talk about much later and

maybe more like I don’t know,
but it’s interesting they keep

using small when like because
Hawaii is so expansive.

Yes.
I don’t know, there’s something

opposite.
Yeah.

Of like a little cafe, yeah.
So Flower Films kept losing the

chance to get to the rights to
this movie for like, years, like

Drew wanted it.
And then she said in Wildflower

a few weeks later, Nancy called
her and said they’re giving the

script to someone else, another
company, and they won’t say who.

And Drew said, I was sick.
There was something about this

film that had lit a fire in me
that not only wouldn’t

extinguish, it burned brighter
by the week.

I followed it like a hawk.
So she’s just like, who has this

movie and how do I get involved?
She felt strongly.

Yeah.
After changing many hands, as

we’ve been kind of inferring,
they found out that had finally

landed at Happy Madison, which
is Adam Sandler’s production

pump company that I mentioned
earlier.

How convenient.
And they like right away they’re

like, we need to get in there.
And so November 2001, Variety

announced that Adam was eyeing
it and could potentially Co star

with Julia Roberts, which like,
no, that would be so I know.

We’re.
Both like no.

No.
So in 2002, while filming

Charlie’s Angels Full Throttle
on the Sony lot, Drew got out

her typewriter and wrote a
letter to Adam.

I love that so much of.
Course.

So she said.
I started typing and it was like

conducting a Symphony.
The tears in me started to swell

as I wrote about my history with
this script.

How long I had loved it, why I
had loved it, how I truly felt

once again in my bones that I
was supposed to have something

to do with it.
She always has those like deep

instinctual feelings about the
projects.

She talks about that like with
Adam specifically, like she felt

like they had to be a duo and
like.

It doesn’t make sense, but I
promise that this is right.

She’s always.
Saying like, Oh yeah, I met him

with purple hair in my leopard
coat and I was we were so

different.
We couldn’t be more different,

but I knew.
Drew also said she felt the film

was worthy of their re teaming
and wrote this is it, this is

the one.
I know it.

Great instincts again.
Yeah.

So she had this letter delivered
to his office, but that was also

on the Sony lot.
So it was just like, probably a

little bike rider right over and
picturing that.

Yeah.
And then Adam just walked over

to her trailer and he said, of
course, but we’re going to turn

it into a comedy.
And Drew said that’s fine as

long as it doesn’t lose its
romance, which is kind of like,

we’ll see.
That’s sort of how Happy Madison

Flower films like, collaborated
on this.

Like, you guys do the comedy,
we’re going to do the romance.

Let’s make sure they’re both
there.

Yeah.
Yeah.

And then in October of 2002, I
love that we have all these

dates.
Your research is there.

Thank you.
Thank you.

In October of 2002, it was
already rumoured that Drew would

join Adam in the film.
So let’s see, what was that

timeline like?
She says while they’re filming.

Yeah.
Within like months, yeah.

Instantly.
They each knew what the guys and

girls wanted, so you kind of
said this like the romance, the

comedy, and they decided that
they wanted to produce it

together as Flower Films and
Happy Madison as a duo.

Nancy considered their companies
sorority and the fraternity,

which that makes sense too.
They would compare script notes

after each draft.
So like, the production

companies really were working
together, like at every step.

During editing, Nancy says that
director Pete Segal was really

good about giving both teams
what they wanted.

That’s also really cool.
And they go through that in the

commentary a lot to like, this
was almost gone.

But then they fought for it.
And like, we don’t, we would

thought this was really funny.
Like, it’s neat.

Andrew said it was like the
smoothest editing process she’s

ever seen as a producer.
And then he agreed that it was

just like everything was so on
point.

Everyone knew what they were
they were doing and what they

wanted.
Like it was amazing.

So cool.
And then like it was a true

collaboration between the two
companies.

That’s so cool.
So cool.

OK, so let’s talk a little bit
about some of the main cast

members.
Of course, Adam Sandler is Henry

Roth and Drew calls him her
cinematic soulmate.

This is their second of three
films together, the first being

The Wedding Singer and the
second being Blended.

And we did have a great episode
about The Wedding Singer if you

guys want to hear that.
It’s from episode 71 and we

released that two years ago for
Valentine’s Day 2024.

So crazy.
It took us like 2 entire years

to get to this one, but well.
I think we were like to save it.

Like felt like, yes, we were
precious about this, just like

we were about Charlie’s Angels,
but like it totally it.

Was time.
Yeah.

And we also have an episode all
about Drew and Adam’s friendship

relationship, and that’s episode

popular episodes, so that’s
pretty cool.

I always wonder if it’s because
people think he like guessed it

on the episode.
I always think that if people

are, like, searching Adam
Sandler, they see like this

whatever podcast with his name.
Like what?

Yeah.
Whoops.

Oh well.
So Drew said it’s exciting to

make a love story with someone
you truly think is the greatest

person in the world.
It just comes naturally to me

every day to act like I’m in
love with him.

OK and then of course we have
Drew as Lucy Whitmore, she says

about the role.
I could not have enjoyed being

her more, which she loved Julia
so much too and The Wedding

Singer so I feel like her love.
I’ve really idolized Julia, I

feel like.
Yeah.

Do you think it’s a coincidence?
I’ve always wondered this, that

the names Julia and Lucy are
both like in major Beatles songs

like.
I feel like it probably has to

be a coincidence unless they
change the names in the.

I know I like.
I would love to know if they

were originally different names
because it’s such a cool, such a

cool cosmic thing, so.
Also I I feel like there it’s

probably twofold, like maybe
it’s a coincidence, but also

like Drew might have been
attracted to the roles for their

names.
Maybe, maybe maybe it was like a

sign to her right I need to do.
This and why she felt so

strongly.
Yeah, it’s just like something

cosmic about these names.
OK, Rob Schneider as Ola, I feel

like I have a lot to say about
him.

So Drew and Nancy were concerned
at first when he was kind of

describing to them what he
wanted to do with the character.

Like he’s talked about the wig
and the prosthetic eye.

But they ended up being so happy
with the resulting quote.

Endearing and wonderful
character.

And that’s kind of how I feel
Like I don’t want to like it.

I wonder if there’s like a
cultural appropriation thing we

should be upset with.
I think he’s had some, like,

really bad political views in
the last few years.

No, but you end up loving the
character.

Like, in spite of all of it.
Because he’s, like, a sweet wing

man to, like, Henry’s character.
His kids are funny.

Like, there is something.
Yeah.

It is like, you kind of want to,
like, think he’s annoying or

weird or like, is this OK?
Like a little ick.

And then it’s not.
I have to say one more thing

about the prosthetic eye.
So I noticed that K&B Studios

was listed as the.
What makeup?

No way, I totally missed that.
And which is what they did

scream, right?
So it does.

I’ve done like lots of great
stuff, but I noticed that and I

was like, what would be
prosthetic?

Maybe also Ula’s scar from like
his little like shark bite.

I just realized, well I guess
her thing is probably CG her

like makeup for her hospital
picture.

Maybe not, I don’t know.
Yeah, maybe.

Interesting.
Wow, that’s so cool.

But yeah, it can be.
I was like, whoa.

So the first thing I thought of
was the eye on Rob’s.

Yeah.
And then we have Sean Astin as

Doug Whitmore.
I low key love Sean.

That like, feels correct.
I’m like, yes, of course I

loved.
The Goonies growing up, but Drew

has also known him since the
Goonie days.

So cool and I love this fact.
So he sent a tape of himself in

character.
Some of it’s on like the DVD

featurettes, but it’s really
funny because he’s like, I think

he’s like playing maybe 2
characters or like couple

versions of this character.
Doug, it’s really funny and I

think he does an amazing job as
his character.

So he came up with the lisp and
worked out like crazy to make

his body like Botter
Bodybuilder.

Although this is like one of
many times there’s CG in the

movie.
He has like the little chest.

Yeah, but I need to describe.
I had that like chest.

Dancing, yeah.
I was really surprised to hear

that that was CGI.
But like, once I knew I would, I

could kind of tell, but I always
believed in it.

Before I just thought like, oh,
that’s one of the things he

learned to do because that would
be freaking hilarious.

But it’s also hilarious.
You would never think that was

CGI.
I mean, there are so many things

there like I forget they said in
the commentary going on a side

to side thing about like how
many?

I forgot how many it was.
It was a lot.

A lot of like tiny ones you
would never even.

Right, like waterless.
Which are the best ones you know

to me?
Yeah, exactly.

Like you don’t even know.
Let it be subtle.

That’s like a David Fincher, all
his CGI.

When you know about it, you’re
like blown away cuz you never

would have noticed it.
There’s like good YouTube videos

about that I’ll send you.
OK Finally, just to round out

the main cast, we have Blake
Clark as Marlin Whitmore, Lucy’s

dad.
Or is it?

And like when he says Marlin,
everyone just said like, the

best things to say about him.
And Drew specifically said that

he makes the tone of the film
come alive in the most profound

ways and brings a primal
parental thing.

And apparently she always called
him Dad on set, which I’m like,

of course.
Of course.

And also, like when she
described it that way and I was

watching the movie, I was like,
totally.

Yeah, he just like.
Loves her so much, wants to

protect her.
That’s his entire plan.

And he is funny because like,
he’s like a stand up comedian,

but he’s funny in like a very
subtle way in this movie, like

Merlin.
His his like timing is comedic,

but then his like character is
like, well, that’s the thing

about this movie.
I think it like toes that line

of like serious and then comedy,
like each person pretty much,

especially the main character is
especially Drew have to like

show this range.
That’s kind of insane.

Yeah, it’s definitely balancing
like 2 really different tones,

but it succeeds in my opinion.
Yep, and we’re going to shout

out a lot of the other cast
throughout this talk.

We’ve touched the major ones.
There are lots of, like, great

little people in this movie.
Yeah, it’s quite a good cast.

Yeah, it’s it’s really, I mean,
if you haven’t seen it, you’re

listening to this.
What?

But also, yeah, this has like, I
guess like a lot of Adam Sandler

movies, there’s like people who
have one great line, and some of

these are the Adam people.
There’s always like, weird

little random quirky characters.
Always, yes.

And, like, lots of ad libbing,
weirdly, Yeah.

OK, so let’s get into Drew’s
beautiful luck in this movie.

Oh.
So Drew has long blonde

extensions, which were Indian
hair extensions dyed blonde and

they were done by Susan
Lippmann.

I know that you love this hair.
Of course, the second that she

showed up with this hair in
March 2003 and it was printed in

a tabloid, I literally took it
to my hairdresser.

I was like, I want my hair this
blonde because my hair was a bit

darker than that.
And I mean, it’s still to this

day, it’s exactly how my hair is
right now.

Yeah, pretty much, which is why
that costume for you, which

we’ll talk about later, was.
So easy.

So more about Drew’s beautiful
look.

Her hair and makeup on the film
were done by Lana VG and Robin

Frederick’s respectively.
This was their very first of

many future times working on
Drew.

They were frequently
collaborators of Cameron Diaz,

including on Charlie’s Angels
Full Throttle.

So makes sense how Drew got to
know them.

Yep, both of them became some of
her best friends.

Like truly.
So it’s really neat that this is

like.
Where it started, Yeah, I didn’t

realize that.
So seeing that in the notes I

was like.
Oh, that’s so.

Cool.
I had like, I think I, I think I

remembered that they had worked
with Cameron, but I didn’t

realize this was their first
with Drew.

It’s pretty cool.
That’s fun.

Robin said that Henry is
attracted to Drew’s natural

beauty, so she made Drew look
sun kissed with tinted

moisturizer and sheer blush.
And for those of you out there

who are beauty junkies, she used
Stila and Giorgio Armani makeup

products for Drew’s look.
So there’s a little info for

you.
It is.

Very simple look, but there are
moments when like there are

little choices like we’ll talk
about like eyeliner, eyeliner.

But like usually, yeah, it’s
just sun kissed simple.

Like her lips I don’t think are
ever like a dark color in this.

Now they’re always like a simple
like light pink.

Lucy’s like a casual girl, you
know, She just like, quickly

gets ready and goes to her
breakfast.

I mean every day.
I was also thinking like Julia

is supposed to be like simple
like that.

Like she’s doesn’t.
I guess there are times when

Julia has lipstick though.
She does, But Mona Mae

specifically told us, if you
guys don’t know, we do have an

episode with costume designer
Mona Mae that she wanted just be

like, let’s throw on a dress
and, like, keep it simple, yeah.

Right.
And Drew loved that, and I feel

that way for this.
Obviously it’s very different

costume wise.
So the assistant costume

designers for Drew were Claire
and Nina Hallworth, who are

otherwise known as the Style
team.

Nina and Claire who worked for a
Drew on some of her photo shoots

and gave us a quote for the 2001
movie Line episode.

No idea.
Crazy.

Like when I was reading the
credits, I was like, Claire and

Nina, wait a second, wait a
second.

We like talk to them.
And that’s so neat to find out.

Like they didn’t even mention
that when we were.

Talking to them, Maybe they
have.

We do maybe maybe they forgot.
I feel like these people who do

just non-stop jobs, they just
don’t have it at the top of

their minds.
Like I don’t blame them and if.

We’re like specifically asking
about something they might be

like they don’t want to know
about everything else.

But yeah, who?
Knows so, Drew, said.

Her primary outfit by the end of
the filming.

She, like, hated it.
She’s.

Like, why, Oh my God, why did I
choose this outfit?

But she said it’s what felt like
something you’d wear just going

out to breakfast on a Sunday.
And actually, there was one

point when I was looking at her,
like, white cargo pants or

whatever those pants are.
Like they are like, not that

cute.
No, it’s very simple and basic.

Right.
But I was like, she had to wear

that every day.
What pants?

How many times do you think
those pants got dirty?

I.
Mean they probably had like 15

copies of them at least.
That’s true.

Consider here’s her outfit for
however many Yeah, they were

filming this.
I do love when, like, suddenly

she starts wearing a bunch of
different looks.

Yes, so many of them.
As I was watching, I was like,

oh, I had something.
I tried to copy that.

Oh, I tried to copy that look.
I was really inspired by that

one.
There’s certain dresses.

I’m like, oh I still want that
dress.

This definitely took me back to
the mid 2000s and like my

personal journey.
Yes, but like that outfit, the

white, the white pants with the
pink is obviously most of the

movie.
Yeah, the identifiable 1.

Yes, absolutely.
OK, so filming started in March

through May.

And it’s crazy.
Like it almost looks like if you

look at kind of Drew’s
chronological, what she was up

to, it’s like she finished
filming this and then

immediately was off around the
world to promote Full Throttle.

It’s just like, wow, I know.
So during filming they were

still using the title 50 First
Kisses, which I have to say, I

really kind of miss it.
I still like that name. 50 First

kisses. 50 First dates. 50 First kisses
sound sweeter.

It sounds sweeter, yeah, which
is why they changed it.

We’ll talk about that later.
But it’s kind of funny.

Some of our behind the scenes
photos, they came from Adam

Sandler’s website back then,
like as they were filming.

And they’re literally titled
FFK.

Oh, how funny.
That’s cool.

That’s one reason I like that we
keep like original titles.

Yeah.
Sometimes I do not change titles

specifically for that reason.
And other times I’m like, this

needs to be more searchable.
It’s an ongoing process we’re

going through.
Our digital archive guys.

So the movie, it was mostly
filmed on Oahu, Hawaii.

Of course, some scenes were
filmed in California, including

Malibu.
And even randomly they shot a

scene in San Francisco, which is
so interesting.

But the movie was originally, I
mean, the script was originally

set in Seattle, which again is
part of like how that really

drastic shift from the original
tone to now like rainy little

Cafe in in Seattle to this like
expansive, beautiful Hawaii

scenery.
It’s like so.

Different.
When I started to try to picture

it, I was like, oh, it’d be cool
to see her like back in Seattle

after like.
I didn’t think about that.

So many years after Mad Love.
Yeah.

And I was like, well, that like
right away.

I’m like tonally so different.
But also I’d like, want her to

be like Casey.
But I was like, oh, that would

have been really interesting to.
Yeah.

It’s like one of those weird
like sliding doors moments.

What what could have been.
But so Adam and his team, they

decided, let’s move the locale
to Hawaii like no brainer.

Adam said it was such a
spectacularly beautiful place

for a romantic comedy.
Drew said that Hawaii kind of

became this real world and this
perfect romantic setting for you

to get lost in the story and the
fantasy.

It really is like a character in
the movie.

Some of the films really have
their like location as a

character.
And this is one of them, right?

And Drew, I felt so privileged
to be working in that setting.

Apparently she also mentioned
that they’d all traveled there

together, quote, as a group
after the wedding Singer, which

was like an interesting bit of
information to me.

So it’s almost like they were
planning the Hawaiian seeds.

I don’t know.
It’s kind of.

Interesting and also like cool.
Do we have pictures of that?

There’s like pictures of her
like really horrible paparazzi

pictures like 2 of them of her
there in like January 99 and

then but like the person taking
the pictures missed Adam.

I think I know the pictures
you’re talking.

About like, is she wearing like,
is she wearing like blue board

shorts on them?
Yes, yes.

This is a kind.
Of a fun thing so Drew would

basically have the director just
roll film while she was trying

different takes or line readings
rather than having him cut.

And they developed sort of like
a shorthand with each other.

They’d call it small, medium,
large performances that so that

like levity or drama was
available at any point.

Amazing crazy like imagine being
in.

Any room, and you have two very
different reads.

One’s funny and one’s serious,
like, And you just have to make

that choice.
That’s a lot of work.

Yeah, it feels like a lot.
Of like work emotionally.

Should we start doing that?
Do you?

Want me to do 5 different
readings of every line that I

say and then you get to choose
which one you like?

Yeah.
That sounds like so fun.

But I, I don’t know, I guess
like when they say the.

Editing process was easy, I
guess because they were just

like, all right, Select, we want
this and to be big.

Yeah, like, kind of random to
imagine, but cool.

In the commentary, he reveals
that he met her when she was in

elementary school and he was
working at a news station, and

they had done a story at her
school.

And I think she says, like,
we’ve known each other and

you’re mentioning this for the
first time.

Like that’s so crazy.
He I wonder if he literally just

like.
Remember, he says, he’s just

what it seems like.
Yeah, yeah, because it was just

random in the middle of the.
Commentary, but that’s so cool.

Really neat like.
What?

According to Drew.
Life was perfect while filming,

she said.
It was fun, wholesome, communal

and a moment in her life that
felt so safe she can’t even

begin to do it justice.
And Cameron Diaz flew out there

to visit while they filmed.
And like, at the hotel room next

to Drew’s, they rented a ping
pong table to go in the common

area between their two rooms.
And they took surfing lessons

together.
And supposedly, Drew got up on

her first wave.
Drew, that’s.

Cool, wasn’t on.
Hollywood Squares, like the

thing recently was like, Drew,
let’s just surf.

I think it’s at in Hawaii, yes.
And I was like.

Why are they reading my notes in
the future like this is so

creepy.
Everything times with this.

So weird.
But I was like true right away.

I was like, I feel like I knew.
Not like that it was necessarily

linked to 50 First states, but I
feel like I knew that she

learned to surf.
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OK.
Let’s.

Get into the movie, guys.
Yay.

So the way we.
Do these is we basically are

focusing on Drew.
This is a Drew Barrymore

podcast.
We are not going to like go

through every view of the movie.
I mean, I like to try to give a

little bit of context to what
we’re talking about, but if you

haven’t seen it, like, obviously
tons of spoilers, but also we’re

not talking about every scene.
Drew’s in most of the movie.

So we’re talking about most of
the movie, but it’s more

disjointed than that.
There you go.

Yeah.
So.

For the opening montage, were
introduced to Henry’s bachelor

marine veterinarian life.
It’s it’s things go hand in

hand, right?
Exactly it works.

It’s.
It’s very silly.

So Adam.
So I’ll just I guess I’ll just

like briefly describe, but
there’s a bunch of different

women and then there’s Kevin
James and they’re all telling

the same story, sort of like
using each whatever, finishing

each other’s sentences, telling
the story of Adam being perfect

to all these tourists.
So Adam and the director’s wives

are they appear in the dentist
scene.

So Adam’s wife Jackie, who Drew
loves Jackie.

And then I mentioned Kevin
James.

He was just on The Drew
Barrymore Show and revealed that

this was his first time in a
movie.

Yeah, that’s kind of.
I mean, he became like a pretty

good big movie actor.
So I was like, I was like, wait,

none of those were before this.
And no, I know.

Same.
Pretty cool.

So yeah.
We kind of learned that Henry is

this like big time Playboy
player in Hawaii.

He dates the Taurus, they leave,
he doesn’t like commitment.

Works out great.
Okay so he wants to do this like

big sailing trip to Alaska to
study walruses and he’s in his

boat and it like wrecks or
breaks down and so he has to

kind of go to shore and he goes
to this little cafe that he’s

never been to before.
So then this is where we get to

see our girl.
It’s interesting to me and like

once I knew, I guess I could
tell, but the cafe is a sound

stage in Culver City.
Like they couldn’t film at the

actual cafe for some reason.
So all of those scenes indoors

are a set.
It’s so weird.

And the commentary talked about
much CGI was used for this.

Like what’s visible outside of
the windows of the cafe is like

all CGI.
Well, he did say that.

There’s like birds, like real
live birds, but that they came

into.
This like yeah, sounds just

like.
An actual like kind of big matte

painting backdrop, right?
But then they added like the

reflections on the water and
like boats.

So weird, but you wouldn’t think
about.

It no you really if it didn’t.
Have movement it would.

Probably feel a little weird,
but like there, there’s a lot of

like.
There was a lot of effort to

like make the back feel real,
which is cool.

It worked.
Yeah, Drew also said that she

actually had a big zit on her
face the day they’re filming her

first appearance, and she was
incredibly self-conscious about

it.
That’s so Drew to mention that.

I know it’s kind of funny.
Like I couldn’t find it again

and who even knows the source or
how long ago it was, but I do

remember reading a rumor
somewhere online that a lot of

work went into like retouching
her face in this movie.

Which like sounded like
bullshit.

To me, but that one thing, I was
like, huh, I can’t see a zit.

Like maybe maybe it’s true.
Maybe it was just for that one

scene or something.
I don’t know.

But that’s where all the CGI
like.

Energy went was to Drews 1
pimple.

Yeah, there you go.
You can’t see.

The cover of the book she’s
reading at the table in this

very first scene, but I feel
like we got to just talk about

it now.
So Lucy is always reading the

book.
Still Life with Woodpecker by

Tom Robbins, and it was Drew’s
idea to have this be the book

because it’s about how to Make
Love stay.

So she’s like, perfect, she
said.

It.
The book asks.

That question and then goes on a
wild ride, just like the film.

Love is the one uniting,
relatable thing in everyone’s

life.
It’s what we all want and

struggle with and fight for.
And I love the version of that

we are telling here in paradise.
I love those.

Connections.
I know it’s really neat.

She also said that like, not
only is it her favorite book,

but it’s about how do you Make
Love stay and she thought that

was apropos on so many levels.
So it’s so cool.

I also, so I read this book, Oh
my God, 20 years ago now, but

the first time I read it was I
was in Hawaii.

So I don’t know how it worked
out that way.

And then the book started and
it’s in Hawaii.

So I was like oh this is an even
cooler reason for her to have

chosen this but.
And I finally read it last.

Year Like I had the paperback
for a long time and I finally

read it.
It was an odd read.

It’s a very odd book.
I don’t remember much about it,

but.
I feel like I liked it.

It’s very surrealist.
OK, like.

Really.
Weirdly surrealist.

Aren’t there like symbols?
On the Camel cigarette pack,

that like mean things.
That’s like the thing I remember

the most.
There’s somebody who’s like,

trapped.
In an attic at some point.

And like all they have in the
room with them is a cigarette

pack.
And I think they like maybe make

up a story about that.
And then there’s one point where

like they are like living in a
pyramid.

There’s like a hole on the.
Pack Yeah, yeah, like it I.

Don’t like, I don’t even
remember exactly all of the

steps of it, but it’s like a
super weird book, but it’s

really like interesting.
It took me a while to get

through it though, because I was
like, I don’t know, I won’t go

into it too much, but I remember
thinking like as I was reading

through it, I’m like, I’m not
really getting what I’m reading,

but I think I just need to keep
going.

You know what?
That is sometimes like it’s I.

Do yeah, I just.
Finished a book like that and

I’m like, I don’t know what that
whole ending was all about but

OK.
A couple more.

Things I just want to say about
this first, you know, appearance

of our girl.
So she’s making a little

structure out of her waffles and
this is the first of many will

see her do.
And I’m like, oh, this is such a

like manic Pixie girl quirky
little trait to be doing, but

like Casey Roberts, I know.
She does explain.

Like in the comments, I think it
is that it’s like, oh, she’s an

artist, so of course she’s
always going to be creating

something.
But I’m like, it’s a little hard

to buy that she does this every
day in a.

Restaurant.
Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.
But I love that.

She’s eating alone with a book
and a crossword puzzle.

I had already noted that.
That is such a drew thing to do.

Yeah.
And then I listen to the

commentary and she points out,
like, I love to go eat by myself

with my book.
I was like, Yep, I knew it.

So originally.
They had filmed a fantasy scene

of Henry walking over to meet
her for the first time as they

ended up feeling it was
unnecessary and the director

said it hurt to cut a scene that
showed so much of their

chemistry.
He says something like clever

pick up line and then she says
like witty response.

Oh, invitation to sit.
Down.

Yes, exactly.
Back at the cafe for their meat.

Cute.
Yeah, cuz the first one I.

Always forget Henry sees her but
he doesn’t talk to her and then

he goes about and does his thing
and then he decides to come back

cuz he can’t stop thinking about
this pretty girl he saw I had

forgotten that he.
Left and came back too, yeah.

I love the guy who plays Nick.
Yeah, like, he’s like the cook

at the cafe.
His.

The actor’s name is Pomay Brown,
and this was his first movie,

which is cool, but I always love
that he calls Henry peanut

butter cups.
Me too.

He cracks.
Me up.

Me too.
I really like it.

Too simple, yeah?
Totally.

I do love that.
When So when Henry finally

approaches Lucy’s table, a cover
of the song Hold Me Now is

playing in the background and
that song is in The Wedding

Singer.
And it’s like there’s going to

be a a lot of music connections
that we’ll talk about later on.

But I just think like that was a
nice little touch.

It was driving me crazy trying
to figure out what part of the

Wedding Singer it’s in.
I still am not 100% sure, but I

think it’s like after Love
Stinks and he’s in the dumpster

and Julia’s like, well, Glenn
and I set a date so you have to

play our wedding and he’s like
all bummed out and she’s just

like a sad.
I think that’s where the IT is

in The Wedding Singer.
Someone let me know.

I didn’t get a time to check.
I tried and I couldn’t find it,

but just like in the first scene
of The Wedding Singer, they are

so cute together right off the
bat.

Like you just love these people
together.

Their chemistry is so sweet.
Like they’re so darling

together.
They really are.

You can just tell they have so
much.

Love for each other but I was
kind of thinking I and I’ve only

seen blended once and like 1/4
times but same.

I think that’s just like part of
why that movie doesn’t really

work for me because instead of
getting that like first meet

moment where you’re like just
smiling so big cuz you just love

them.
They like hate each other for

the whole beginning of that
movie.

And I think like, that’s part of
why it just doesn’t feel the

same, the same.
Yeah.

Yeah, I feel like we.
Need to rewatch it and cover it.

I mean, the last time obviously
I saw it it.

Was like on TV and it was the
beginning and I was like this is

not very good like I was.
Pretty bummed about I was at

the.
Premiere, as we’ve talked about,

Yeah.
And I don’t think I’ve watched

it again.
Yeah.

And I don’t really.
Remember it super well, but I

remember thinking like, OK, it’s
not Wedding Singer, it’s not

Yeah, they’re due for another

one like we need to do.
Yeah, we need.

Something to add tons of palette
network.

Yeah.
I love that her saying like the

smell of his fishy hands is the
best smell in the world and it

because it reminds her of her
dad and brother.

Like so that feels so Drew
somehow like, yeah, the best

smell in the world and it’s
something like fishy kind of

grass.
Yeah, I totally agree.

There are some, really.
Sweet lions in this that also

feel like them and, like you
said, like they actually love

each other, you know, So it
feels like some of the things

like, you know, it’s not
romantic love in real life, but

there’s something about the
like, real respect and love and

like, I don’t know, knowing each
other that feels like comes out.

Yeah.
Like.

You laugh.
I like.

You making me laugh?
OK, so you pointed this.

Out and I loved it cuz then I
was.

Like Oh my God, I have something
to add to this.

So there’s another yellow car
and Drew has yellow cars in Mad

Love, Wedding Singer and Never
Been Kissed.

So fun.
And here’s like another.

Thing that I think is even.
More fun.

So in this movie it’s a
Volkswagen thing, which is like

a rare Volkswagen.
So it’s like very recognizable.

And then the two of the other
cars are, well, two of the other

cars are also Volkswagen.
So in Mad Love, of course, it’s

a Volkswagen Beetle, the Herbie
car, and then in Wedding Singer

it’s a Volkswagen Rabbit.
I was like, hey, I love that.

See this.
Is why we have you on the pod

and for the car info for like.
A a little tad of car info.

I will never be the one bringing
the car info.

That’s really cool.
I love that.

Thank you for sharing.
You know, I was like, that’s a

fun little like tit, but I.
Don’t.

I never thought about it and you
just so made me picture them all

anyways.
I guess the Never been Kissed 1

doesn’t have.
To be a Volkswagen because

technically it’s her brother’s
car.

That’s a good point.
She drives.

A Buick LeSabre.
And it’s.

Not yellow.
We get a pretty good.

Look in this scene at the badge
that we have in the Druseum,

that it’s in the scene outside,
it’s hanging on her bag and it’s

like supposed to be like her
work badge.

Yeah, it’s kind of a funny.
Like why did they even?

Bother it’s such a like not
needed prop but it’s always

attached to her bag and now it’s
attached to the druseum.

Exactly.
Although.

Unfortunately, that signature is
not in her handwriting.

Yeah, and also we’ll talk about
this later, but something else

in the movie is not in her
handwriting, and we wish it was.

And of course, this scene ends
with a really cute excitement

over a crush dance.
And they’re, you know, it’s like

that’s like almost like record
scratch.

They turn around, they both
catch each other doing it

because the van that’s blocking
them pulls away.

It’s so cute.
It’s a silly, but it’s.

So cute.
It’s so cute.

Oh yeah.
And he’s like, there was a bee

on.
Me.

Drew plays that part off really
well.

Like I really believe he he
probably improvised that line

because she looks like she’s
genuinely laughing, but like

trying to not be embarrassing.
That’s so true.

Anyway, so that ends there like
first meeting.

Yeah, and they and they make
plans to meet the next.

Morning.
Great, right?

It’s going to go so well.
So we get a little fantasy

scene.
Here Henry is playing golf with

Ola and he gets knocked up by a
golf ball and he has this

fantasy scene where where Drew
is on the beach as this fantasy

girl and she’s saying Motorama
Gus guess wait, wrong movie.

You haven’t won yet if you know.
You know, if you don’t, sorry.

But it.
Definitely reminds me of that

and it cracks me up.
Supposedly, they said this is

where the famous scene from the
movie From Here to Eternity was

filmed, which was done at Hilona
Cove in Hawaii.

Does it look the same to you?
It doesn’t look the same to me.

And the director says in the
commentary that this was in

California, so I don’t know
what’s going on there.

I didn’t get too into it, but it
doesn’t look the same to me.

I mean, this picture that you
put in there, it’s so hard.

To tell like what’s in the
foreground, what’s in the

background.
But they do say it’s in

California.
So I don’t know.

I bet we could do some more
investigating, but I’m not sure.

Yeah, maybe get Lindsay.
On the case, but it would be

It’s cool to think that they
were like.

An homage to that, if nothing
else.

True.
Maybe that’s what it really was.

Yeah, there is a funny blooper
of Drew in this scene where

she’s like walking and she gets
hurt and she’s like, effing

barefoot and rocks.
Like, it’s really cute.

And of course.
We love a tattoo.

Peek around here.
When she pushes Henry down in

this fantasy onto the sand, we
get a little peek at her jade

tattoo on her back.
So love that.

We always love that and like the
further.

Away it is from like anytime she
would have been nude and you’re

seeing a lot of her tattoos, the
more it’s like, Oh my gosh,

they’re still there.
Like of course you’re right

tattoo why?
Why is that so?

True.
I totally understand what you

know what I mean.
Like especially like.

When’s the last?
I mean, she’s has so many on her

arms now.
It’s different.

And yes, I also I I love the
like the the repeating sort of

the fantasy turning into
nightmare for.

Him.
And I just want to eat.

You up?
Yeah.

Tomorrow, and the next day, and
the next day and the next.

Day, OH.
My and the next.

Day and.
The next day, yeah, it’s kind of

funny cuz he’s like.
No, I can’t.

I can’t do this.
I don’t like commitment.

So he goes on a date with
someone else, but all he can

think about is Lucy.
So then he does show up the next

morning for their little date.
Of course.

Supposedly it’s going to be
their date.

OK, so.
We’re back at the.

Cafe for their date the next day
and Adam finds out basically

immediately about Lucy’s
condition because he goes in and

she doesn’t know who he is and
she’s very confused and he’s

immediately like talking about
his fishy hands and like his

walrus she makes this face at
him.

That’s like.
Repulsed and then like I think

she calls him a creep and then
we have a flashback to the

accident.
So in the original script, since

it was in October, it was
actually a pumpkin instead of a

pineapple, and it’s splattered
during the accident upon impact

to symbolize Lucy’s brain.
And they talk about that.

They kept trying to like, make
that happen with a pineapple.

But a pineapple does not explode
the way of, you know, a pumpkin

does.
That’s interesting.

But we learn about.
What happened?

To Lucy that she she and her
father were in an accident.

They crashed into a tree and I
did the cow die?

Was I don’t?
No, the cow is OK.

That’s right.
I do love.

Amy Hill, who plays.
Sue, the cafe like owner, she

does like such a beautiful job
in this part, like telling the

story of what’s going on.
So props to her.

I always crack up at the line.
There’s like certain lines in

this.
I’m like, oh, yeah, I love that

line.
I forgot.

I always used to laugh at that
when.

So she tells this whole story to
Henry and he’s like, this sounds

like something I would tell to
get rid of a psycho girl.

Am I the psycho girl?
I think that’s so funny.

It is a good line.
So now we know what’s going on

with Lucy.
She’s got the short term memory

that wipes clean every night
when she goes to sleep.

So we’re kind of seeing now what
her life is.

So it goes and shows us.
First of all, I just have to say

it’s kind of weird that Lucy and
her brother Doug are both these

adults living with their dad.
Never like explained.

I’ve never really thought about
it but I was like.

Why don’t they both?
Live at home, right?

And at first when I like saw
your note, I was like.

Well, maybe the accident
happened years ago, right?

And he’s trying to protect her.
And I was like, oh, no.

But like, if they continued on
this path, she would.

I mean, I guess they.
‘D talk about it, she would just

get.
Old.

And then what would happen?
But yeah, already, like, I think

they’re supposed to be what
would you guess?

She’s in her 20s, thirties.
Yeah, I mean Drew’s. 20. 8 when

they filmed this right?
Yeah, yeah.

So.
And I think.

Shawn Astin’s a little older
than her, I would guess.

Yeah, it’s kind of funny, but we
get to.

See, like every.
Day, her dad paints his like,

garage white and gives her paint
to just go at it and do a mural.

She is an art teacher and she’s
an artist.

So I always think it’s like so
sad that they like paint over it

every night, but it’s so sweet
that he like, takes a photo of

it, you know?
And then you noted that there’s

an elephant in this painting.
And Drew has said that she chose

elephants as like, a symbol for
her character because of their

memories, like how they’re known
for having a great memory.

See it later in her room, too,
in the movie.

So that’s just like, a couple
times.

Yeah.
It’s.

Neat.
But it’s just like an Easter egg

that like, she was like, this is
a symbol.

Yeah, Drew, so we see that like
I said, this whole.

Sad and sweet thing that the dad
and the brother do for every

day.
They like get rid of the cake

that she made for her dad’s
birthday.

They grab a fresh new pineapple
from the freezer and the

newspaper that they had like

of the accident.
Yeah.

Yeah, the day of the accident
and then the.

Song Another Day by Paul
McCartney is playing over it

all.
And that song was Drew’s

suggestion.
She brought it in on a tape to a

story meeting.
And she said that kind of became

her mantra because it’s I think
it’s like about somebody who’s

just like bored with life and
but you can still find like some

joy in it.
So I do really like this song.

I mistakenly thought it.
Was The Beatles.

I mean, it just happens a lot
with Paul.

But I do really like this song,
and if we didn’t put it in this

episode right here, it’s because
Beatles songs get flagged and it

bothers.
Us so true, I’m sure, Paul.

Is just as stingy with his
lights and saying no I’m just

kidding.
But anyway, it’s a really sweet

song.
So that’s what’s going.

On with her life.
Every day, her dad and her

brother reset it so that she
doesn’t know that she is

reliving the same day.
Like, she doesn’t know the

difference.
And is that sustainable?

Probably not.
So we’ll see what kind of needs

to happen here.
Yeah.

So even knowing about Lucy’s
condition, Henry is still just,

like, besotted with her.
He still wants to get to know

her.
So he’s trying to come up with,

like, all these ways to meet her
every day.

And like, I could not believe
that I forgot.

No doubts underneath it all is,
like, under this entire montage.

And that, no Doubt is my
favorite band.

So I was like, oh, I got really
excited when.

Yeah.
And that was one of those.

It’s like one of the things that
feels like a little reggae.

Yes.
One of many, yeah.

Right.
It fits the vibe I.

Like when one of the times that
he like tries to get her

attention and meet her again, he
had earlier done the like

toothpick and the make a door
hinge on her Waffle House thing

and touched her thing.
When he does it the second time,

Lucy’s like, are you from a
country where it’s OK to touch

other people’s food?
I love that it’s like.

You don’t know what her mood.
Is like she might think it’s the

same day but doesn’t mean she’s
feeling the same way.

Right?
Exactly.

I thought it was fun.
Doesn’t Nick even say like she

doesn’t want to?
Be hit on during her breakfast.

This isn’t a disco or something
like that.

Yeah.
And she like another time to

get.
Rid of him.

She’s just talks in Chinese and
like pretends she doesn’t speak

English.
I was really hoping she would

have mentioned something about
that in the commentary and she

doesn’t.
But I’m like, so curious what

she’s saying because I know that
she had learned a couple phrases

from the master, the stunt
coordinator on Charlie’s Angels.

So I was like, so curious if it
was one of those things that she

learned, Yeah, that’s I bet it.
Was, I mean, yeah, probably.

If nothing else, she had the
confidence to, like do that

because of that, Yeah.
And eventually.

Henry does this like really fake
thing where he’s pretending he

doesn’t know how to read and
he’s crying over the menu and

the teacher in her can’t help
but come over even though she

knows he’s full of shit and
they’re like have a whole flirty

thing but then he gets like
scared of the commitment again

and he doesn’t ask her out.
She’s not happy.

Really.
That’s it.

That’s what all that.
Flirting and.

Phony.
I can’t read stuff.

And then you’re not even going
to ask me out for my phone

number?
I can’t read.

Oh, shut up.
No, no, no, no.

This is what?
Happened I it’s.

Mahalo for the ego boost you’re.
Right.

So at this point.
Lucy’s dad and brother tell

Henry to like, stay away, and
Henry plans to like be really

sneaky and find ways to like see
her and meet her.

So technically he’s not going to
the cafe, right?

So.
Let me get a whole.

Montage Another montage There’s
lots of montages in this movie.

OK, so a montage of.
Sneaky ways he’s trying to get

her attention.
Meet her and I love that you

noted this.
So they show her driving, which

is always so fun, but it has
this like mad love feel to it

and I think there’s a couple
reasons it’s probably like like

coastal driving.
I feel like maybe shown in mad

love, maybe maybe not either
way, but then it’s like an open

top car like her one in mad
love.

I guess it’s yeah O’donnell’s
character’s name, Matt.

Matt yeah, that.
And I.

Think there’s something about
seeing her profile, There’s a

part in Mad Love where she’s
driving her Volkswagen and it’s

like her profile.
I don’t know, it just

immediately made me think of
that.

And I was like, I love that Her
Volkswagen in this and her

Volkswagen in that.
Yeah, OK.

So.
One of.

One of the.
Ways that he tries to meet her

is he pretends his battery’s
dead or maybe he kills it I

don’t know is it actually dead
and then he tries to like trick

her that he’s getting
electrocuted and then she in

turn tricks him that her like
grandfather died trying to start

a car it’s so good my.
Grandfather died.

Trying to jump start a car.
Oh.

I’m sorry, I I was just joking
around.

I can’t believe you fell for
that.

And then?
There is a moment where.

He pretends there’s a road
closure and I like that.

They talked in the commentary.
This was fully ad libbed and

Drew, like, specifically talks
about the look that she gives

Henry in that scene.
And she said it’s like, like

that character, just almost like
she didn’t say this, but like,

found her soul mate.
Like out of all the people in

the world, she found someone who
also does this, that funny

little thing that she does
because she gives him such a

cute look.
Yeah.

Oh, yeah.
She’s like, you do.

Yeah, exactly.
And the director said.

He like.
The director said he couldn’t

hear them when they were filming
it, so it was just them.

Like, I know I was like, that’s
really cute.

It’s.
Really fun.

Yeah.
We also get.

A little.
Quick part where he sacrifices

his little Penguin and puts him
in the middle of the road and

hoping that she’s going to stop
but instead she dropped ACD and

I just love the nostalgia over
like pulling out ACD book in

your car guys.
If you don’t know what that was

like you’re young.
Also like dropping.

ACD that’s real.
Yeah, like and leaning over

because, you know, why not?
I’m so glad Willie the Penguin

was OK.
Oh, very much so, yes.

His.
Next little move.

Is he has ula pretend to attack
him on the side of the road so

that she stops?
Yeah.

And this was always used in the
trailers.

I feel like this is, like, such
a moment.

Everyone remembers.
And she’s so funny.

Like, yeah, she is.
Take that and that.

She looks like she’s really
wailing on him, Yeah.

Well, in a.
Featurette Rob is like in

character as Ola and he says
that she thinks he thinks she

was having a Charlie’s Angels
flashback and whacking him too

hard and he says hey look Drew
I’m not Lucy Liu like she would

be hitting Lucy.
Liu.

I know, but it’s still funny,
Elsa.

This is another scene that there
were like a bunch.

Of ad libs and apparently, and
one of them was that drew like

brought in like I’m in the
community watch program, which I

think is so funny.
I was like, that’s like a great

that I was like, that’s
memorable.

Good job, Drew.
You did good.

Hi.
Sorry, I’m in a community.

Watch program and yeah, he’s.
He’s gone now.

I would imagine.
With this group.

Of guys like she kind of had to
bring her a game of improv,

which she doesn’t normally maybe
do as much.

Even this little featurette
that’s on the DVD where Rob is

Ola and interviewing her and
Adam as themselves.

Adam and Rob are like riffing
and Drew just has to go along

with it and like come up with
responses on the fly.

Very yes.
And, you know, it’s pretty cool,

I guess, like you do, that
people are like.

That type of comedian.
And like, yeah, I don’t know.

And then one of the last little
sneaky things he does is he

pretends he’s been kidnapped and
he’s, like, tied up on the back

of his truck.
And oopsie, guess who drives by

first is Lucy’s dad and her
brother Doug.

And they’re like, what are you
doing, bud?

Like, what the Hell’s going on?
And then they tell, they tell

Henry that Lucy sings, only
sings on the days that she meets

him.
It’s really cool.

It is really cool and then they
show.

Her in the garage painting, and
it’s the first time we see her

singing.
Is it?

Wouldn’t it be nice?
Yeah.

By The Beach Boys.
So yeah, we’re.

Kind of learning you.
Know Lucy doesn’t remember

meeting Henry or anything like
that, but she’s a little happier

even though she’s still reliving
the same day she’s a little

happier on the days that they’ve
like met and flirted or whatever

they’re doing right so they’ve
noticed and they’re like.

OK, we can try something, Henry.
And then we have a bad day.

At all.
So this part’s so hard.

OK, sorry.
Go ahead.

So.
Henry sees.

Lucy at the.
Cafe.

I don’t really remember the
exchange, but she says she has a

boyfriend and she says his
name’s Ringo.

Is his last name Starr
McCartney?

It’s so silly.
I like.

It she’s not in the mood to.
Talk to him this day.

Right, So.
At the cafe, like, right, kind

of right after that moment, Lucy
realizes she’s getting a ticket

on her car outside.
So she’s getting like a parking

ticket.
And this is when like kind of

everything blows up.
She like figures out that it’s

not the day she thought it was,
that she’s a newspaper that her

like, you know, family has been
handing her every day.

Like it’s a it’s more than a
year later, but I like the scene

where the cop is.
Like telling her her plates are

expired and like I like how Drew
like is really angry about it.

She’s like, this is ridiculous.
The tags don’t expire for seven.

Months expired May of this year,
no.

No, no, they expire.
May of.

Next year, Officer, I think
there’s been a misunderstanding.

I don’t this is ridiculous.
I’m.

Not paying for this.
It’s October.

Excuse me, can I borrow this
look?

October, Lucy, Let’s go back
inside.

What?
I guess she gets in her car and

drives home because.
She’s like Hawking on the horn.

And that’s when the.
Dad’s like we’re having a bad

day.
That’s right.

That’s right.
Bad day, Doug.

Or whatever he says.
Yeah.

There’s a scene that was cut
where Lucy’s, like, flipping out

in the garage and, like,
throwing her paint cans on the

wall, and then she runs out to
the pier.

And then.
Yeah.

And then I saw this pier in
person.

I was in Hawaii a few years ago.
I don’t even know how long ago

it was.
Now it’s called.

Called Waikoni Pier and I almost
forgot about it.

As soon as I saw it, I was like,
Anne was there.

I now remember the.
Journey there that it was like.

Way up on the North Shore, like
almost like as far up as you

could go on the road.
Wow.

In the North Shore, Like it was.
I remember his way up there

because.
Did you go just to see it?

Yeah.
That’s awesome.

Yeah.
OK, so.

This is just.
It’s so sad.

Like she’s realizing the truth.
The dad is showing her, like

what they do every day.
This is the reality.

Like they show her a photo of
her in the hospital and the

article about the accident.
And I’m always I was.

I literally wrote don’t make me
cry, Drew.

Yeah.
It’s so sad.

It is.
Really sad.

Drew talked about how much range
that she was able to perform on

this day and she said she was
like clinging to the director,

like making sure you got the
tone right.

She says it was a really hard
day And and the director says

like he knew that she had to
like really had a job to do that

day and people really, really
like on point and like giving

her the space that she needed
and all this stuff.

But that’s so cool.
And he I mean, he’s just like

commending her incredible
performance.

I mean, like I said, she’s
making me cry.

So it.
Worked.

Yeah, I mean it.
It’s.

It’s in a comedy to.
Have something where suddenly.

You have to reveal this like
like.

Really traumatic thing that’s
happened to somebody.

And then she has to like, act
like she’s learning.

That for the first.
I don’t know, it’s a lot.

It is.
She does great.

So then.
They like she’s like I need to

meet.
This doctor, her dad says she’s

done it before, but they go to
meet the doctor that, you know,

worked on her brain basically
after the accident.

I’ll say a couple of things
about it before we kind of get

into the scene.
So the institutes called the

Callahan Institute, and it’s
named after the company Callahan

Auto and Tommy Boy, which is the
same director.

I thought that was a fun little
thing.

That is fun, especially Drew
went to that premiere.

And you love that outfit like
that.

Full circle.
Always, always.

Coming back to the Drew.
Circle yeah and then another

little tidbit is that the
doctors played by Dan Aykroyd he

had been in two other of the
directors previous movies but

also he’s like major SNL yeah
alum so huge for Drew.

I think she like says like icon
or whatever she says in the

commentary like that makes sense
and it’s great like he’s.

Great in it.
He’s like.

Only in a few scenes and he’s
great.

Perfect.
Perfectly.

Dan Aykroyd.
Totally.

Oh yeah, and you love.
My girl, right?

Yeah, that’s cool for you.
I like that.

I’ve always.
Thought she looks.

Especially pretty in this scene,
it might be because it’s the

first time her little clipped
back hair is just like down.

I don’t know if that’s it or if
her makeup is slightly

different, but she just looks
beautiful in that scene.

She really does it.
It’s very.

Funny, we have like one of the.
Adam Sandler, dudes, I don’t

even have his name written down,
but you’ll guys know who he is

at one of the security guards at
the Callahan Institute is the

guy from the beginning of The
Wedding Singer who gives out

alcohol to the kid at the
wedding.

So that’s like a fun little, you
know, through line.

And then we also get Alan
Covert, who is Sammy, the limo

driver in The Wedding Singer.
And then this movie has a very

small part.
He is 10 second Tom.

A guy whose memory resets every

And this is where my favorite.
Delivery of Marlin because he’s

meeting Tom for the second time
within 20 seconds.

Marlin.
Hi, I’m Tom.

Hi, I’m Lucy.
Hi.

Doug, hey.
Marlin.

But you know it’s.
Kind of interesting Lucy comes

away from this, you know, kind
of making peace with it.

She’s upset about it, but she is
interested about this guy,

Henry, who she doesn’t really
know, but he’s clearly there for

her.
And she’s, like, says to him at

the end of the night, like, I
don’t want you to strike out

tomorrow.
Yeah.

So bring me some lilies.
They’re my favorite flower.

And I thought like, oh, I was
hoping it would be Daisies.

That’s interesting that she
picked Lily’s something

different.
Well, I thought maybe it feels

like more.
Hawaiian or something, maybe.

I don’t know what it is.
OK, so now we get into this

whole new thing, this whole new
era of the movie, basically when

they’re trying something new.
Yeah, it’s so cool.

So Henry gets the idea.
Like he’s like points out, you

know, not only is she learning
about this horrible thing that

happened to her, but she’s also
learning that you guys are lying

to her every day.
Like she has to deal with that

too.
So he’s like, can I just try one

time?
Like if it doesn’t work out, you

know, it’s OK.
She’s not going to remember.

And so he makes her this video,
this Good morning Lucy videotape

and delivers it to her with
daisies.

And she goes and puts it in and
it catches her up on everything,

that it’s like a bunch of silly,
like pop culture references.

And then like, here’s what why
you don’t remember them and tell

us about the accident.
And then Henry is talking to the

camera directly.
And it’s very sweet.

I think it’s really funny that
there’s like a little Red Sox

World Series joke, like the Red
Sox won the World Series.

Ha, ha, just kidding.
That would never happen.

And it’s like, oh, it comes out
in 2004.

And then she goes and films
Fever Pitch and they do win the

World Series that day and that
year.

It’s so funny.
It is really funny because it’s

like.
Did they make it happen?

I know and also I noticed in
the.

Credits it mentions like that
that was a like a specifically

put in there as a jab against
like 4 of the guys who worked on

the movie.
It’s so funny.

So also in this video.
We have Ola kind of playing

Lucy, so he’s like wearing a
pink.

Shirt and has.
Coconuts for boobs and a mop on

his head for hair, and I love
that this has become such a

popular Halloween costume.
So as Lucy, like if you just

Google Ula 50 First dates costume,
you’ll see a ton of what I’m

talking about.
It is different, right, right.

It is really funny that that.
End up being a costume.

I’m Speaking of costumes.
What did you do last year?

Yeah, so last Halloween.
So the previous year my husband

and I had done The Wedding
Singer and I was like, oh, it’d

be so cute to do 5o First Dates is
like a little follow up.

You’re going to do blend the
next, right?

Yeah.
Oh yeah.

Everyone will recognize that.
So we were Lucy and Henry, and

then our daughter was a
pineapple.

So it was really sweet.
I really would have liked my

older daughter to participate,
but like, what’s she going to be

Henry’s assistant?
She’s going to be a green.

She loves cows, doesn’t she?
That would have been perfect.

Missed opportunity where?
Were you last year when we were

planning this?
Dang it.

Yes, the video is incredibly
sweet.

Her face the entire time is also
really sweet.

And I love the fact that Drew
Drew was reacting to nothing on

the day as Lucy.
Oh my gosh.

Yeah.
Like the?

The director was just.
Describing to her what she was

supposedly seeing in the video
and she was reacting to it.

So like they knew what the
contents were going to be to

some extent, but she had
nothing.

She was looking at a blank
screen.

I was like, that is that’s
really cool.

Makes it like that much more
amazing.

I mean they’re.
Like, yeah, that’s like master

class.
That’s so cool.

Yeah.
Good job, Drew.

Yeah, totally.
And.

Then we have them going on like
actual like love dates.

Yeah, now that every morning she
knows.

What’s going on?
She doesn’t want to relive the

same day.
So now they get to have a

relationship in a totally
different way.

Yeah, so we got.
This really beautiful scene

where drew an Adam of being shot
in like the golden sun like

looking and the scene is like
towards a tree.

It’s like silhouetted and
glowing.

It’s so beautiful.
Really.

Yeah.
It’s so pretty.

And they’re like noticing that
the bark was healing and it’s

the tree that she hit with her
car.

I think I had never realized
that before.

They like noticed the lion not
till this time.

So I love.
That you noted that.

And apparently Drew and Nancy
had to fight for this scene to

stay.
I’m very curious why.

I don’t know if they like super
explain talk about it a little

bit I think.
It would they just kind of

thought like, oh, we can cut
that.

But Drew and Nancy were like,
no, this is like the transition

moment like this is like really
important to the love story.

So good job guys.
I’m glad flower won that.

I’ll say one more thing about
like the the.

Like scene.
I think they said that the

director of photography is from
like he’s like a famous director

of photography.
I’m blanking on what films they

said he did.
Unforgiven was the 1 I think.

Maybe he got an Oscar for that
one.

They mentioned that one a couple
times, but like this I feel like

they’re maybe talking.
About it even in the commentary

during this or something, maybe
not but this is what I picture

I’m like oh there is this like
beautiful like this is like

cinematically beautiful.
Totally.

Yeah, they also talk about.
Just one more thing.

About like the the scene and the
lighting because it’s so

gorgeous.
In the commentary, they say it

was like really difficult to
capture this light and they were

like running around to make it
happen.

It was like, because it’s like,
it’s just disappearing.

It’s like literally.
The sun is like on the horizon

dropping.
That’s the sunset for you.

That’s part of why I love.
Them, it’s like you gotta run

out and see it right now because
it’s going to change in

fleeting.
It’s ephemeral.

Yeah, it is.
Yeah.

I always this is.
One of the.

Dresses that I still have it to
this day, the blue like Navy

blue dress with the white polka
dots.

And this is the one that she’s
wearing in the poster.

So that’s pretty cool, right?
And it’s it is super cute.

Yeah.
So they just have like all this

cute little flirting moments in
the scene.

And I don’t even remember what
he says to her, but she does.

A little cat hiss back at him.
And I was like.

It’s like.
Yeah, it’s just like in Babes in

Toyland.
How we noticed she does it in

that I love that she’s so
consistent Yeah, exactly their.

Next.
Little date is.

They’re at a party on the beach
with all her friends.

Like she hasn’t seen her friends
since the accident.

It’s just crazy.
This one was filmed in Malibu

and we have paparazzi pictures
of this being filmed.

It was like a really big deal
when those came out.

I remember we get Maya Rudolph,
which is really fun.

And I was like, oh, apparently
she’s also duplex.

Don’t remember that.
No memory.

No memory of that.
She’s Drew’s like.

Work friend in the movie.
So totally forgot about that.

That’s really neat that they’ve
done that twice now.

Yeah.
And on the Drew Barrymore Show

in 2024, Maya said, like she was
so excited to get to go to

Hawaii and work with Drew and
Adam, and then they ended up

just doing it in Malibu.
She just.

Had to like.
Drive down the street and I

don’t know if she’s.
LA based.

I feel like she is and.
Unfortunately.

We didn’t even mention it with
Henry’s assistant, but Lexi,

yeah, we get like these
transphobic kind of jokes.

And we had these in The Wedding
Singer too.

Don’t love them.
Haven’t aged well.

And there’s like a whole thing
with a character with that which

I just want to like acknowledge
it, that we both are like, I

think it’s important to
acknowledge it, but it.

Also feels like that’s a little
bit like, maybe not now, but

like Adam Sandler’s humor, Like,
that’s obviously like their

side.
Yeah.

So this is OK, yes.
This is like at the.

End of, like, the party day or
it’s the evening at the beach,

and Lucy starts to record Henry
with a camcorder, like, kind of

saying she wants to like,
through her own eyes, sort of

like, tell herself the story,
what’s going on with her.

Like, so cool.
Yeah.

And in which she.
Asks, Do you love me?

What do you?
Want to know?

Do you love me?
I didn’t mean to put you on the

spot.
Or anything I.

Was just asking more for
informational purposes as to

keep the video up to date as
possible.

Sure.
Love is a very loaded.

Word.
I see I I go to this.

Restaurant Every.
Morning and I see you there

reading and.
I love you very much.

Probably more than.
Anybody could love another.

Person.
And it’s, it’s really sweet.

It’s.
Beautiful.

It is really sweet.
Drew said in the commentary,

too, that that the scene, like,
really captures the way, like,

the world falls away when you’re
falling in love, which I think

is so sweet because they, like,
isolate themselves.

And then it’s sort of like
they’re alone in this, like

framed by this, like, cave.
I don’t know.

It’s really cool.
Yeah, since you mentioned.

The Cave it is the Leo Carrillo
cave in Malibu.

Cool if you guys wanted to know
that it’s really hard to see in

this shop because it’s dark, but
this is the first of a couple

times where we mentioned the
eyeliner.

We have this eyeliner that we
love that Drew used to be like

part owner with Jillian Fink
Dempsey’s line Deluxe, which

doesn’t exist anymore.
But there was this eyeliner

called Chimpy Blue that we
loved.

And it turns out that Jillian’s
current line also still has

literally even named Chimpy Blue
eyeliner.

Joalena found it for me on
Poshmark, like a brand new one

that was like super inexpensive.
And so I bought it and then a

couple days later the person’s
like, I just moved and I can’t

find it anywhere.
And here’s your money back.

So I still need to get my Chimpy
Blue.

But even if it’s not that exact
one, it’s definitely like very

inspired by it, definitely akin
to Chimpy Blue.

If it is not chimpy blue, that’s
a very specific look that we

loved, so I love that you
pointed it out and of course

this.
Begins the like.

Reoccurring thing of Lucy saying
nothing beats the first kiss.

So sweet right?
And it like happens every time.

They show these like it’s a date
montage basically.

So we, so we go now to the
lighthouse that I saw in Hawaii,

the Makapu lighthouse, really
sweet little scene.

She says nothing beats the first
kiss.

There is a pineapple field.
And in the commentary, they say,

like, similarly to the tree
thing, it was like fleeting

light ’cause they’re like, also
like silhouetted on the hill.

And they said like, Adam and
Drew had to like, run up to get

it.
So sweet.

But again, a kiss.
And then then we go to the

aquarium where he works.
Yeah.

So I’m.
Pretty positive.

This is the shirt that I own.
I have a shirt like all of the

costumes from this movie were
sold by Sony, so I bought this

one.
It looks very brown in the movie

and it looks green in person.
But we know that lighting can be

really tricky.
But I swear to God, when I first

got it, it had that indoor water
smell that, you know, like, you

smell it like Pirates of the
Caribbean.

Interesting.
And so I’m like extra convinced

it was not the aquarium that is
the scene.

Do you remember how?
Long after the.

Movie came out, they sold the
costumes like when you bought

it, it was immediately like.
Very soon after the movie came

out and, and luckily we have a
lot of the auction pictures in

our files.
So fun to see all the things

that they sold.
Yeah, yeah, totally so.

They’re like making.
Out a little bit and I love that

Lucy says this to him as he’s
like a feeling her up.

Doing nothing I was.
Just getting some lint.

Off for you.
You’re going for a field ski.

All right.
It is really cute cuz.

Like, once again, you’re
reminded it’s all new to her.

Yeah, I know.
When you really think about it

like.
Sometimes you’re like, oh, is

that uncomfortable for her?
But like, there is something she

senses about this guy that’s
familiar to her, you know?

Right.
I mean, I I know I started

thinking about it more.
Like, oh, you have to convince

yourself, but you’re already in
love.

Yeah, it’s wild.
I know.

And then we get.
To meet the walrus Jocko.

Who’s so cute?
He’s like, he’s a character in

the movie.
Yeah, he’s so cute.

The beginning part where he
does.

That little like, dance with
Adam.

Oh my gosh, adorable.
Drew said.

She loved him so much.
Get ready for this druism.

She practically strapped on a
saddle and started riding him.

That’s an image.
It totally is.

And of course.
She said that and like.

They she decides to take.
It to the next level with him

and they go into his little
aquarium room that like he has a

window in the actual tank and
like Ola is in there swimming

and like making little, you
know, sexual gestures.

I’m like, this is such a like
Sandler movie thing.

Yes.
And, and I love that Lucy’s just

laying.
There looking like oblivious,

yeah.
OK, then we got like.

This incredibly sweet song.
So Adam Sandler writes a song

for the character just like he
did in The Wedding Singer.

So it’s called Forgetful Lucy.
And just like with the wedding,

singers grow old with you.
Drew hears it for the first time

while they’re filming and
insisted on it.

Yeah.
So her reactions are genuine for

the first time.
It’s so smart, so cool and so

sweet.
Yeah, that.

Was the place we like each other
right away.

Like you didn’t Remember Me in
the very next stage.

Forget it’s got a nice couple.
See.

It’s definitely like more.
Comical than grow old with you.

Like, it has sweet moments, but
it also has, like, really goofy

for the laugh moments.
Yeah.

So it’s not, I don’t love it as
much, but it’s still precious.

And there’s like, dolphins
jumping behind them.

It’s a it’s a very romantic
moment.

It is.
So there is a little deleted

scene here where after they, you
know, get a little busy at the

aquarium and he sings her the
song.

Henry takes her home and Marlon
is waiting up for her.

Like, you know, she’s like 20-8
but OK.

And Henry let’s Marlon and Doug
take his boat out for the night

to go fishing in the night.
I guess that’s the thing you do.

And so then when Lucy, like,
finds out that they’re alone,

she invites him upstairs in a
very, like, flirtatious way.

But it ended up feeling
redundant since they literally

had just quote, UN quote,
consummated the relationship,

like earlier that evening.
So they just took it out.

But Drew looks really pretty
standing on the, like, the

little balcony next to her room.
Yeah, she does look really

pretty somehow that.
Like that robe and the like.

I don’t know what it is is why
does she look so incredibly

pretty?
She just does.

They said it was like the.
Scenes of her.

On the balcony were like a
reshoot because they didn’t have

the upstairs of the house when
they were doing the original

filming.
And I was like, that’s so

interesting.
I started to like try to, I

didn’t like go back and look and
see if like her hair looks

really different.
But it might be worth looking.

That’s funny, if you can tell
back into the actual finished

film we.
Get a scene of them about to

fall asleep together in Lucy’s
bed.

And it’s really sweet.
Like he’s trying to keep her

from falling asleep because her
memory is going to reset.

She’s like, I promise I won’t
forget you.

And he asks her to marry him.
And she says, of course.

And it’s like, oh, how sweet.
But you know, her memory resets,

yes, so I do.
Kind of like.

That we get.
Like verbal consent from her at

some point that she, yes, she
would want to marry, but sort of

standing a little, like a
little.

Better.
I guess like she has had this

is.
Like, is this supposed to be,

like, pretty soon after, like
the video?

I guess we don’t really know how
much time has passed.

We don’t.
But still.

Like, I think, I mean, obviously
things are fresh for every day,

but I was also going to say
like, still, like, relatively

new.
Yeah, So we get to the morning

after.
So they have literally fallen

asleep together in the same bed.
This is like, you know,

unprecedented in this moment.
And this is like a big trailer

moment as well because Drew,
like, she opens her eyes and

immediately screams in his face.
I mean, of course it’s done

comedically because it’s comedy,
but she’s freaked out.

There’s this basically a
stranger in her bed.

Terrifying.
Yeah.

And then?
We get elephants.

On her bedroom walls.
So that theme of like, you know,

the good memory of the elephants
is, like, shown again in her

bedroom.
And at this moment, I think

it’s, I think she’s just like
overhearing something.

Yeah.
Lucy learns about Henry’s dream

of taking a boat to Alaska.
So she’s learning like this is.

I think he says something like I
have to stay here with Lucy.

She’s making.
Yeah, progress.

Yeah, I know.
And the.

Doctor’s like she’s not making
progress.

Like that’s not a thing.
She’s never going to remember

you.
Like, please don’t believe that.

And it’s important that that’s
stated.

But he still wants to stay.
And, you know, now she’s

starting to feel a little bit
guilty, I think.

Yeah, totally.
So Lucy visits.

Henry at his.
Work and she’s coming to break

up with him.
It’s kind of cool.

They hosted like a dozen
children from the Make a Wish

Foundation on the set this day.
So we have a couple photos of

Drew talking to them.
There’s even like video footage

that somebody put on YouTube.
I made an entire YouTube

playlist of 50 First Dates content,
so I’ll link to that on the

episode page because there’s all
kinds of fun stuff out there.

Awesome.
But back to the movie.

So Lucy brings her journal to
like show Henry that she’s

actually been writing to herself
every night as well, which is

really cool.
But I’m so bummed that it’s not

in Drew’s actual handwriting
because usually she will write

things for real for her
characters.

And I don’t know if it was just
like too big of a project.

I was just going to say.
And they’re like, think of how

many?
Things that she was.

Like cramming in back-to-back,
like as far as movie she was

filming.
So they’re like, at this time.

Good point.
Like, we can’t have her, like,

help with the props this time,
sadly.

But I know we always are, like,
craving for, like, things to be

in her handwriting.
Totally.

Yeah.
And there’s really beautiful

close-ups of her in this scene.
And again, you can sort of see

that blue eyeliner we were
talking about on her lower lids.

She’s gorgeous.
And I think you’re totally right

that it’s.
Like, I don’t know, it feels

like like Chimpy has such a
specific like, yeah, brightness

shade.
Yeah, that like, I don’t know.

How do we find out for sure?
I guess there’s probably no way

when we when we ever get Jillian
on the.

Podcast.
Yeah, that’s true.

OK, so then we get this scene
that that they kind of say in

the commentary, it was hard to
like, execute.

So Drew’s got this journal and
they’re trying to kind of show

that she’s like removing him
from the journal while rewriting

the parts that she, like, needs
to remember.

Yeah, cuz she wants him to go
live his dream.

Yeah.
It’s really sweet.

And I’m like, they keep like
seeing little, like whatever

things that I don’t know what I
was going to say.

I was going to say something
about like one specific scene.

Yeah.
There’s things she wrote about

him and.
They’re like, oh, he makes a

funny sound if I kiss him here,
do it often or something like

that.
Oh, OK, I’m glad you said that

because that’s the thing, I was.
Thinking of, but I was like, she

says like I’m going to miss
that.

And when she says that, I’m
like, does she mean because

today she did it?
Or she just imagines she would

miss that.
Right.

I was like, it’s a cute.
Line.

It’s a cute exchange, but when
she.

Says that it takes me out of it
just to let that it’s pretty

funny.
And then we get.

This scene in the pouring rain
where Lucy asks Henry, could I

have one last?
First kiss and of course, her

white shirt.
Ends up completely wet, because

of course it does.
And I think that’s funny because

I’ve always noticed that.
I know.

I feel like I remember you like.
Mentioning it, I think of you.

And I think of that scene
that’s.

Fine.
Well, I mean, rain also is my

thing.
The director says in the

commentary that they had to blur
out her nipples for the airline

cut because apparently, like,
that’s something that you can’t,

like, show on an airplane.
Oh my God.

And then Drew says the twins.
It like, really makes him laugh.

So that I love that it’s like a
dress and that they like make a

joke out of it.
It’s really, Oh my gosh, that’s

great.
So then we just get like, I

called it the sad montage.
So Henry, he’s broke, been

broken up with, so he’s going to
go off on his Alaska trip.

But before that, like he’s
preparing and there’s just all

these sad moments that they
show.

Lots of montages.
Like we said, I think it’s

really cute that he’s at work
and a reflection of light goes

on his face, just, like at the
beginning, a reflection off of

her knife at the cafe caught his
attention.

And this time it’s her with,
like, people, I think, from the

Callahan Institute.
And she’s holding a clipboard.

And like, that light shines on
his face and he kind of, like,

gets excited.
She looks at him and she just,

like, gives him a little smile,
like, oh, you’re cute and walks

on.
And then he’s like, Oh yeah.

And I always left her little
cloud shirt here.

It feels very different for the
character, but I’m like, oh,

that’s always fun.
I always liked it.

I like clouds.
It is really cute.

I would wear that.
And then, like I said, Henry.

Is going to leave and Marlin
gives him ACD and again, I’m

like, oh, I just love how CDs
and videotapes are totally so

prevalent in this movie.
It’s like the end of that era.

I know like which is they’re
still there and it almost feels

too late for them, but like
they’re going to be gone soon.

I mean it’s I’m just going to
say it again.

It’s 20.
Two years ago and they were like

surprised that that was in
there.

So weird we’re of the physical
media era like we it’s hard for

us to not think that way.
I still have my C DS.

I don’t listen to them but I
have them.

Same.
OK, so the CD.

That they give him is a Beach
Boys CD and he immediately is

like, of course they give me
something that will remind me of

her.
And then they they cut to like

him playing it and then like
singing and crying along to The

Beach Boys song that she sings.
Wouldn’t it be nice?

And Drew says she’s like, I love
this scene so much.

She’s like really my favorite
scenes of the.

Movie like she.
Says it cracks her up so much.

It it is really goofy.
It’s so goofy.

That’s funny, yeah.
She like, says she loves it.

I mean it’s.
Like one of those things that

like it’s again, crossing that
line of like, it’s really sad.

But of course we’re like they
have to remind you that it’s a

comedy.
Yeah, that’s true.

I always.
Get like a little confused at

this part is like why he thinks
that this means she remembers

him right?
Like doesn’t have it doesn’t

work for me.
Yeah.

And well, she’s like they’re
trying to tell me.

Something.
Yeah.

He’s looking for any reason to
come.

Back you’re.
Right, OK, right.

I like it when you think of it.
That way he’s like, I really

don’t want to go right so.
Like he.

Rushes to the Callahan
Institute.

He knows that she’s there.
She’s like, moved to the

institute, I think, right?
She’s like working there, right?

Teaching art, I guess.
Yeah.

She walks by one of her art
students and she says, Julia,

that looks great.
And I’m like, OK, that it has to

be intentional.
It has to be.

It has to be.
Yeah.

So Henry comes up to her and
he’s like, do you have any idea

who I am?
And she’s just kind of looking

at him interestingly, but she
says, no, but I, I’d like to

show you something.
And so she takes him into like a

backroom that we’re all her
artwork is and studio.

Yeah, it’s all renderings of
him.

I don’t know who you are, Henry.
But I dream about you, almost.

Every night.
What would you say?

If I told you that.
Notebook you read every day used

to have a lot of stuff about me
and.

I would say that that makes a
lot of sense.

Oh, it’s so precious.
Like it’s so sweet and they say

in the.
Commentary that they didn’t want

the the paintings to be too
funny.

Oh, and they said they wanted
like.

The egg to.
Get the laugh.

So like everything else, they
show the all the other paintings

and then they go to the egg and
that’s what’s supposed to be

like, Oh, finally that’s funny.
But you kind of look and it’s

like they’re actually like
really awesome renditions.

Like there’s I know and I love.
This Nancy Juvonen owns one of

these, and you can see it in a
listing for her and Jimmy

Fallon’s Penthouse.
So I’ll share that picture on

the episode page because it’s
really neat to see.

That is so fun.
Yes, and when when Lucy says to

Henry, Henry, nice to meet you,
it reminded me that she’s also

with a Henry.
And ever after, I don’t think

I’ve ever made that connection.
I just suddenly did towards the

end of the movie on.
This last watch, never before so

and like, no offense to Henry’s,
but it’s not really a.

Name that like makes me think of
a hot guy.

So hey, it was my grandpa’s
name.

I’m sorry.
Yeah.

Are you just pretending that
your grandpa?

And he died from jump starting a
car.

I mean I’m just pretending.
Gotcha.

Now what does she say?
Can’t.

I can’t believe you felt it.
Yeah.

OK, so then we we get to our
ending in Alaska.

So this is kind of like a
whirlwind wrapping up basically

what happened to them.
But it’s it’s neat the way they

did it.
Yeah, so Drew and.

Nancy.
Felt very strongly that the

ending needed to be what it is
rather than quote UN quote what

it could have been like if they
had like sold out and said Lucy

was like cured, which is
something I guess the studio

wanted.
Like that would be a terrible

idea.
Yeah.

I’m not surprised though.
I think the.

Way of like, oh, I dream about
you is a really good compromise.

Yeah, me too.
I don’t remember you.

But like.
You’re in my mind somewhere, so

you made an impact even though
my mind.

Is broken like that feels
magical.

It’s like magical thinking on
its own, but also like she’s not

healed totally.
It’s an ongoing process.

That’s why Drew’s like, how do
you Make Love, say is such a

good thing for this?
Yeah.

So Drew said the original ending
in the original script was her

saying you should go and live
your life because there’s no

life here.
And he goes away as he does.

And he comes back and he walks
into the restaurant and he just

sits down and says, hi, I’m
Henry.

And the film ends.
So like the same?

Idea he’s still like doing what
he’s doing, but like, I guess

she doesn’t get as happy as an
ending.

Some people find the ending of
this movie to be like a

horrible, scary, awful thing to
imagine which like.

I think I’ve even seen it recut
as.

Like a horror fell well, if she.
Has a bad day?

And she has a bad day on a boat.
Yeah, I also.

Found something where the
director Pete says that there

was a script version ending that
had Lucy waking up in bed and

she had a mural that she painted
on her ceiling that tells the

story of her accident and her
life since.

And then as her eyes pan from
left to right, she turns and

sees Henry lying next to her.
But because she’s seen him in

this mural, she knows he’s safe.
She’s not as freaked.

Out which is really like a.
Beautiful way of doing it.

It’s pretty cool.
I guess I could see how like if

that had been done.
It’s very visual, like, yeah,

but that would have probably
been hard to execute too.

It’d be hard to execute and I
guess they really like the.

Idea of also making sure that
like Henry still went and did

his dream right so they they
like that idea a little bit more

yeah so yeah.
So Lucy.

Wakes up and.
There’s her tape and she puts it

in and she finds out that she’s
married.

Yeah.
So again, I’m like, thank God

that we saw him propose in her,
except.

Right.
And I I always.

Love seeing.
Bride.

Drew in movies.
I don’t know why, it just

really, really does it for me.
I feel like I like all her movie

bride looks more than her real
bride looks.

She looks beautiful.
Yeah, she does.

And it’s just such a short
scene.

I think there’s a little bit
more in one of the other like

featurette type things, like
another little clip and you see

like a little bit more of her
dress.

Yeah.
But yeah, so the I guess, I

guess she’s kind of started to
explain that she watches the

tape, but I think she still
doesn’t know she was where she

is.
No, because Henry says like put

on a.
Jacket it’s really cold outside

or something like that.
That’s right.

So.
This is another like, big CGI

thing.
So the scenery and the wide

shots were shot in Blackstone
Bay, Alaska.

I’m just going to say one thing
about Alaska, I guess, before I

move on.
I was like, yeah, oh, Alaska’s

so much closer to Seattle than
Hawaii.

That’s because I always.
Thought like.

That’s.
Very far.

I wonder if.
It was Alaska in the original

script and then they just left
it a lot of sense I bet.

You’re right because think if
you were to go to Alaska from.

Seattle, Yeah.
Like it’s still.

It’s probably still long, but.
It would be like weeks on it

anyway, So I had that thought
and I was like, Oh, just knowing

that geography, like
geographically as a W coaster,

like, you know, anyway, so so
back to the scene.

So scenery and wide shots shot
in Blackstone be Alaska drew on

the boat looking out the window
was shot on a stage in Hawaii.

So just like completely indoors
and I love that we have footage

of this.
That’s.

On the DVD, it’s really neat to
see.

Oh, it’s so cool.
Yeah, it is.

To see like before they kind of
edit in the like window, it

pulls back and then they’re
outside.

The other boat scenes that she’s
in were done in Hawaii with

Alaskan background overlaid.
So like huge CGI.

Also, she says she was like
sweating in the parka in Hawaii

because she had to like pretend
it was cold and they had to like

CGI like breath, you know, like
it was cold outside.

I.
Also said something where they

said.
They had like.

Like buoys in the water and then
they use those to be for like

iceberg, right?
Right, it’s it’s, I would never

would have thought, though it’s
not something me neither about.

And it’s like done very well.
It’s done very well.

And also this scene is
incredibly heartfelt.

So she’s like, of course she
finds that.

But it’s like, anyway, it’s also
like you said, like scary cuz

she’s like, OK, she finds out
she’s married.

Then it’s revealed to her by
looking out the window that

she’s on a boat and then she
goes upstairs in the boat to the

deck and she has a daughter.
Oh my God.

Cuz I don’t think they she
learns that on the tape.

No.
You think they would have put

that on the?
Tape.

But then it wouldn’t be as
impactful because we get that

moment, right?
She hugs, I’m gonna cry.

Just she hugs the little girl
and she says, Oh my goodness,

good.
Morning.

Oh my.
Goodness.

Grandpa’s here.
Yeah, the way she says it is

very.
Like, it makes you, like, crack

immediately.
Yeah.

Drew gets choked up in the
commentary during the scene and

says it’s so meaningful that
Lucy and Henry are making it

work.
Like she’s just like, this is

like going so far to make it
work somehow.

It’s also wild that’s before
she.

Really had daughters in real
life so but it makes it extra

just gets me and I do love that
her dad is also there.

I think that was a great choice
because it’s like okay someone I

know is here and I’d like to
think that even if her memory is

never going to be fixed, like
something about re watching this

tape everyday like feels
familiar at least there’s like

the more she watches it the more
the less freaked out it is.

But I don’t know, maybe that’s
just me trying to make the

ending nice.
Scientifically it can’t be, but.

It’s like, OK, fine, OK, Dan.
Aykroyd, I am a doctor if you

didn’t.
Know the movie is.

Dedicated to it, to the.
Memory of Adam’s dad Stanley

Drew in like when they’re
talking about this in the

commentary, she says that old
Drew adage about Co workers

being her family and she says
like the familiar and the

familial, which I really like.
It’s really sweet.

And like, you know, she’s I
don’t know, they’re like she’s

like kind of branching off of
like how they are her family.

I don’t know.
It’s really sweet.

That’s so sweet.
Also, her dad died the year this

movie came out.
That’s kind of wild.

Yeah, I didn’t think about that.
And then I had to laugh because

I get to the end of the credits
and all of a sudden a cover of

Spandau Ballet’s True comes on
and we talked about this in

Charlie’s Angels that it’s it’s
in The Wedding Singer, ends The

Wedding Singer.
Again, the other song

connection, it’s in Charlie’s
Angels, supposedly, once again

proving we don’t know, Duplex.
Supposedly it’s in Duplex.

So I just was like, Oh my God,
what is with this song in Drew?

It just follows from everywhere
True Drew.

And this time it’s a.
Cover performed.

By Will I Am and Fergie.
So all the songs in the movie,

we’re going to talk about
soundtrack, but they’re all like

OK, let’s talk about the movie

coming out.
And.

The last 22 years, it’s legacy.
That has a lift on.

Sheesh.
OK, so.

The title was changed by the
studio to 50 First dates when

marketing found that the term
kisses was turning off guys.

Too cute, I guess.
Too cute.

So dumb.
So dumb.

Yeah, a little dumb.
It’s fine. 50 First dates is.

Still great.
But that’s just such a silly

Yeah, there is annoying reason.

Dates.
I don’t know, I’m so used to

something cute.

But yeah, about the kisses.
Tons of promotional like events

for this.
Of course, it’s a huge movie.

Drew is on like ton of magazines
made like TV appearances with

Adam and by herself, including
SNL, which yeah, she hosted on

Valentine’s Day.
I remember.

So it was like the day after the
movie came out.

That’s so cool.
And I feel like really?

Her star on the Walk of Fame was
also tied into publicity for

this movie.
Like, we have a feeling that

Sony slash Columbia purchased
the star for her, right?

The executive Amy Pascal is the
one who speaks at Drew’s

ceremony.
Like, it’s interesting when you

watch like, more current ones,
it’s always like, really good

friends or really close Co
stars.

And I’m like, we didn’t even
know who Amy was that day.

Like, who is this lady?
Yeah, right.

I just think that further like
drives home the fact that it was

very much like a promotional
emotional.

And it’s always interesting.
To me that Adam wasn’t there,

even though, like, they did more
stuff together later on in that

same day.
So his schedule was probably

packed, too.
Yeah.

That’s true.
We talked about the red carpet

premiere briefly on our previous
episode because we did this week

at Drew History and we were
there at the premiere in

Westwood on February 3rd at the
Mann Village Theatre.

It was a big star-studded event,
but I don’t really remember.

Oh really?
Do you remember?

Any like highlights?
Immediately.

I mean, it’s just really neat if
you.

Go to Getty Images and look it
up.

Like almost everybody from the
movie is there, and everybody

from the soundtrack, which I
think is like, kind of special

to me.
Like, I mean, there’s so many

people from the soundtrack who
were there.

And I do remember getting really
excited when Tony Kanal from

No Doubt was there.
I do remember that I have a

picture.
I probably have tons of pictures

that I take.
Yeah, they’re on our drive and

then.
Fab.

Fabrizio Moretti, Drew’s
boyfriend at the time, was also

there, but they didn’t, like,
walk the red carpet together.

So like he was there with Julian
Casablancas from The Stroke.

So that was like, fun.
But yeah, it’s really neat when

you go look at the pictures
because it’s like everybody from

the movie and it’s just super.
I have to go and look and

remind.
Myself so Drew later went on to

promote the movie at premieres
in both Berlin and Madrid.

Did they have any like New York?
I don’t think they did.

They just, it went straight to
Europe.

Interesting, kind of
interesting, Adam.

Wasn’t with her at those.
So again, like just booked and

busy, booked and busy.
They’re like, here go.

Go, go, go talk about the movie,
Joel.

Yeah.
Go represent, yeah.

So then the film actually was
released in theaters in the US,

as we said, on February 13th,

weekend.
And it was exactly 6 years after

the Wedding Singers 1998
release, which I just love.

And it’s also so crazy be like,
there was only six years in

between those.
That’s what I was just going to

say.
And how many years was it then

to blended 10, OK.
Right.

I mean, so we’re in 2014.
I yeah, think so.

And then now.
We’re at 12 years since.

Anything way overdue, but also
the time.

Between wedding singer and 50 First.
We will never not be surprised.

The how small the amount of time
is between like every year in

the 90s?
What is time?

What?
Is time.

I don’t understand time.
Andrew said at the time.

That she thought people were
going to enjoy the movie because

it is so romantic.
And I just thought this was so

cute.
This is what Elle magazine was

sort of saying about it.
She said she believes with all

her heart that the world would
be much improved if we strive to

be a bit less shaded and spent
more time sprinkling a little

fairy dust around.
That’s so trail so 50 First dates is

like her Pixie dust.
And she was also just so.

Happy to put a.
Gift out into the world of

joyfulness.
And yeah, I definitely felt that

way when we saw it.
We mentioned Saturday Night

Live.
Earlier was one of the things

that Drew did during the
promotion and Adam and his whole

gang came to Saturday Night Live
when Drew hosted during the

films opening weekend and in her
dressing room they announced how

the movie had like broken
records and was a huge hit and

the whole room was screaming and
dancing.

She says this whole she explains
this in Wildflower.

I mean, I feel like she was a
couple.

I don’t know if it’s the same
chapter where she talks about

like, box office, like stress.
Yeah.

I mean, it’s come up in like.
Articles that we’ve read a lot

too, how as a producer she has
to care about that, but normally

she would just like to make a
movie and like, it’s the

experience and she just wants to
move on.

But yeah, when you’re a
producer, you have a

responsibility to perform so.
Luckily, thankfully, you know,

for her production company and
all those money things, it

opened in the US at #1 in the
box office and stayed on the top

The movie grossed more than

$198,000,000 worldwide, which I
know is big.

Yeah, it was a success.
They definitely made back their

budget more than yes it.
There were mixed reviews by

critics, but audiences loved it.
It’s kind of I feel like every

Adam Sandler movie for the most
part is going to get that right.

Critics are just not into hand
except for like things.

He’s getting huge.
Accolades for now.

More serious generally, yeah,
but I pulled some.

Really nice notes about Drew’s
performance that I wanted to

share here.
So, The New York Times said, as

soon as Miss Barrymore shows up,
the forces of coarseness and

idiocy surrender.
Before her bright, soft smile

and sly good humor, Drew is
like.

The perfect balance.
That’s what makes this

palatable.
I think If it didn’t have

something like that, I would not
enjoy it.

And she makes Adam so lovable.
You know, Entertainment Weekly

said the movie, for all its
genial idiocy.

Wow, idiocy in two reviews, Oops
connects emotionally by tapping

into the frustration of Lucy’s
condition.

Barrymore has such a flaky,
bedazzled charm that you start

to get invested in seeing her
rescued.

Just nice.
And then people said Barrymore

hits emotional notes that are
pure, simple and unforced.

That sort of talent can almost
literally light up the screen.

Drew as a light.
Take a drink, someone.

Said she’s a light.
We mentioned the soundtrack, so

it was a pretty.
Successful soundtrack included a

lot of reggae influence covers
of 80s songs.

You’ve mentioned them throughout
a couple times, but it’s a great

soundtrack.
Like it is really fun.

It is, I know, and props to.
My man Tony Kanal of No Doubt,

he co-produced a lot of the
songs along with Nick Hexum of

songs in the movie too which I

love and we saw three 11
together.

Yeah, in Santa Barbara, that’s.
Right.

I just think it’s like a fun way
to like do a tribute to the

wedding singer where it’s like

island style, right?
It’s just fun.

It is really.
Fun.

And then I didn’t realize this
until just last night doing some

more.
Research The score was done by

Teddy Castellucci and he also
did the Wedding Singer score and

apparently he’s in Robbie Hart’s
band in that movie.

So I know, but I think.
That’s really neat.

And I, you know, I wish I.
Known that as I was watching the

movie, but like my memory of the
score, I’m like I can hear it I

think I can hear it the.
Movie was released on Home.

Video that was a thing at one
time guys, I guess it kind of

still is but not like it was
like dropping for streaming

yeah.
So the DVD was released on June

I know I was thinking the same

but I guess.
That’s how it was, yeah.

There were tons of special
features.

Which guys?
This was such an art.

Yeah.
Including a director and drew

commentary recorded a month
after the movie’s released.

We both had forgotten this
existed, so it was really fun to

like.
I was fully like.

Director and cast commentary.
Well, Drew didn’t do that.

Wait a second.
Yes she did Oh my God.

Also it says cast and it’s.
Just her.

Like, it’s kind of funny at the
very end of the commentary,

which I’ve we’ve been mentioning
it throughout, but Drew calls

her contribution to the
commentary hippie blabbering.

Vomit of the mouth, of course.
She does, of course.

She does.
I feel like you would also.

Say that about yourself on the.
Podcast, right?

Yeah.
I don’t know.

What hippie?
But like annoying slabbery.

Can’t.
Stop talking.

Disagree with Ann?
Leave a comment.

Don’t.
I’m not fishing, OK.

There’s also a 7 minute blooper
reel which is a joy to have that

many so fun.
Like it kept going.

I was like yes, same.
I can’t think of anything like.

That stands out, but it’s great,
the whole thing.

I mean, she does a cat hiss and
that too, right?

She sure does, she says.
What if I wake?

Up like this.
Because that’s how I wake up in

real life.
I’m obviously not good.

At a cat hiss.
Sorry, guys.

There we go.
That’s the only one, OK.

Blooper reel and making a
featurette that’s also, like,

fun in 20 minutes.
Yeah.

And it has, like, lots of great
footage.

You mentioned, I think earlier
this Ula’s movie roundup, that

was the special for Comedy
Central where Rob Schneider’s

literally just his character.
It’s really funny and they

filmed that.
In Honolulu in 2004 during the,

like, movie release promo time.
So it’s kind of neat.

Yeah.
I love that they included that.

Yeah.
It’s fun.

And a few.
Deleted scenes which we’ve

mentioned throughout like
stacked DVD we.

Talked about this in the
Charlie’s Angels episode.

DVDs used to be so awesome and
have so much content on them and

that’s just gone.
It’s I mean hooks.

I have like one more like
thought about.

That like, I realize now they
just expect that like all this

footage is just coming out like
on social media.

Yeah.
So like, why would you then want

it on a DVD but like, you’ll
never be able to get it again

later.
Yeah, it’s not the same and

like.
Commentaries are so awesome.

Like I think are the only other
ones Drew’s done.

Johnny Darko and riding cars
with boys.

I think so.
Like I remember being so bummed

that Whip it didn’t have the
director’s commentary.

And it’s like, already at that
time, I think the studios were

like, yeah, we’re not putting
money into that.

And like, what is it?
You’re just like playing a movie

and recording.
Them talking.

I know another kind of neat
thing about this being.

Released on video is that this
is one of six, the very first

six movies that were ever
released on Blu-ray.

They included this one, and it
was on June 20th, 2006.

Yeah.
So it’s like OG Blu-ray?

Do you have it on Blu-ray?
I don’t think I do.

I think I just.
Have the DVD, but I think it’s

all the same I think I like
remember looking at the time and

I probably didn’t even have a
Blu-ray player right and I think

it was all the same features so
it like yeah bothered.

I don’t know if I have.
I think I only.

Have Donnie Darko on Blu-ray.
I have Scream I.

Have many copies.
Of Scream.

That makes sense.
That’s probably one of the only

two just continuing on with the
success of the movie.

At the 2004 MTV Movie Awards,
Drew and Adam won Best on Screen

Team, and then later that year
at the Teen Choice Awards, they

won Choice Date Movie.
So you know, it was a huge

success.
People loved it.

Critics maybe thought it was
full of idiocy, but everyone

else liked yes.
In 2005, Drew and Nancy

participated in a question and
answers and screening of the

film at the Arclight in
Hollywood as part of a Masters

of Storytelling series.
And we were there, Yeah.

It’s so neat.
And thankfully, there’s some.

Footage that the like master
storytelling thing, like

released, right?
Or is it somebody that was

there?
I don’t know who put it up, but

it’s on.
YouTube, so we will link to it

and we get a really special
shout out at the very end of

that.
So guys, just watch that and

know that we are quote UN quote,
the coolest women in the world.

That was us also, I remembered.
Earlier today they gave us like

a little.
Commemorative glass, yeah, 50 First

dates on it.
That’s where we got those.

That’s funny.
I don’t think I realized it was

from that, although I.
Know exactly what glass you’re

talking about?
Yeah, yeah, of course.

It’s in my memorabilia
collection, of course in 20. 20

at the.
Very beginning.

I think it was like week 1 of
season 1 of The Drew Barrymore

Show.
Drew and Adam film this little

skit of 50 First dates like here’s
here’s what’s been going on in

Like it’s Lucy putting in the

tape and seeing all these 2020
things.

It’s very sweet.
I love that Adam did that with

her like for the show as she was
starting out.

Drew claims that the wig she
wears in this little skit is the

wig she wears in full throttle
in the hot dog on a stick scene

and that Mister Daniel just like
reworked it.

I I just don’t.
See.

It looks so different.
Like so different.

I mean, I guess I don’t know,
like wigs are just like hair.

So I guess they could have like
maybe completely brushed it out

and it was that long, but it
looks shorter and it looks like

it’s blonde in the little video
behind the scenes, Mr. Daniels,

like, starts talking about.
He’s like, oh, it’s a very short

wig originally.
And then Drew’s like, Oh yeah,

it’s from Charlie’s Angels, it’s
this one.

And I was like, what?
But hope?

I mean, would she have kept that
all those years?

I don’t.
Know I almost wanna see what

other wig from Charlie’s Angels
full throttle.

It could be if not like the only
time, but it could be anything

like that, OK.
Well, we just don’t know.

Well, I guess I’m looking right
now at the length of the bangs.

Yeah, maybe similar, I don’t
know.

It’s it’s full, it’s far
fetched.

If it is true, yeah.
If.

If so, props to.
Mr. Daniel, because he did a

really great job with that.
And then Robin Fredericks, who

did the makeup for 50 First Dates,
did her makeup for this little

scene, too.
I love that.

And the last thing is.
Part of its legacy up through

basically now.
In 2025, there was a musical

stage adaptation in the United
Kingdom, and Drew had sent in a

supportive video to the cast and
crew about it.

And I don’t remember it at all.
Oh, really?

No, I unfortunately, like, have
no memory of it.

And because it’s get full Lucy.
Yeah.

Yeah, that’s me.
But it’s very sweet.

She’s like, very.
Excited about it and she’s

talking about how like again, I
think she brings up like this is

about making love stay and like,
we should always have you to

strive for that.
Unfortunately, it’s been deleted

from her Instagram.
Don’t ask me why, but you can

still see a small snippet of it
on the show’s Instagram.

So I will link to that on the
episode page.

Cool.
And that’s it.

Oh my.
God, how do you say few in

Hawaiian?
Aloha, yeah.

Everything is Aloha, right?
Everything is Aloha.

Exactly.
What a fun.

Movie.
I had so much fun just digging

into it over the last two weeks
and just kind of reliving it.

It had been a while for me.
Yeah, since I’ve watched it.

Me too.
It still holds up for me.

I think after my initial
viewing, I might have ranked it

higher than The Wedding Singer,
but Wedding Singer still has my

heart as like their number one.
I still love that one a little

bit more.
But this was a great follow up.

And Drew was right.
Like, this is it.

This is the one.
She was totally right.

Yeah.
It’s really sweet.

I loved.
Having an excuse to rewatch it

as I do with all of these but
this one, it like it reminded me

how much like how much I love
it.

Like in the I think I said,
like, I don’t know if I would

like it if it was just Adam’s
team, Adam and Julia Roberts.

No, that wouldn’t have been it
for me, guys.

I mean.
Drew is there like a thing that

he did in Hawaii with?
Jennifer Aniston.

I’ve never seen it.
Probably not a thing.

It probably is a thing.
Yeah, just not, not the same.

Not the same.
We love Drew.

Drew like.
Makes it.

Yeah, Drew makes him, I mean.
Just look at those reviews, they

all kind of said the same thing.
Idiocy.

This is an.
Idiotic movie until the.

Beautiful Drew Barrymore brings
us into reality.

All the Adam Sandler fans who.
Like stayed with us since they

he was on our podcaster here and
we’re talking about how he’s

idiotic.
I’m just kidding.

No, when he’s with.
Drew He.

Is so sweet and beautiful and I
do really appreciate like how he

acts with her and you just.
I just always remember this clip

of her on the set of The Wedding
Singer and she says I would

really be in love with Adam
Sandler.

Yeah, it’s perfect.
I can.

You’re saying it exactly.
The way she.

Said it so I can hear it and
that’s how I do it.

So thanks you guys.
Sorry to the Adam.

Sandler fans who think that we
are being rude, we are not.

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You can leave a like.

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You can also leave comments on

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This has one like every episode

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Nice.
So many pictures out for.

This one, you guys.
Anyway, these movie episodes are

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While you’re there, peruse the
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Bye bye mahalo.
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How Do You Drew Episode 123 – Wildflower

Please note that this transcription was automatically generated and may contain mistakes.

Hello and welcome to How Do You
Drew?

This is a Drew Barrymore podcast
brought to you by the fans,

friends and historians behind
the Drewseum.

We’re drawing on over 25 years
of Drewbie expertise to dive into

all aspects of Drews world, from
her personal life to her

professional career.
Thanks to our sponsor and

friends at Positive Medium.
I’m Anne.

And I’m Ashley, and this week we
are discussing Wildflower Drew’s

I’m so excited.

This is this is, this is the
start of something big and we’ll

get into that in a minute.
But like, this is exciting.

Yay.
Yeah.

OK, so at the very top, we gotta
just do a little memorial thing.

So let’s get into that first.
Oh, so as of this recording

yesterday, Catherine O’Hara
passed away.

So sad.
Like I’m like, sad.

I was like shocked and like sad
and I was like, that doesn’t

feel real.
Totally, I know.

And it’s, it’s amazing, like how
many people.

Oh my God, the Internet is
devastated.

The Internet is devastated.
Like Rob Reiner was like, you

know, had this big impact, but
like for a very specific type of

people who would know who Rob
Reiner is and then now like

Catherine O’Hara, it’s big.
It’s big and it’s shocking and

it’s really, really sad.
It doesn’t feel real.

It doesn’t feel right.
She’s just been so ever present,

like our entire lives for sure,
totally generations before us

too.
She’s.

Amazing, you know, You know,
Home Alone is like one of my all

time favorite movies.
And yeah, it like, I’m not going

to lie, I’m kind of embarrassed.
It took me a minute.

I was like, oh I feel like we
should post something, but what

connection would I make, you
know?

I did not think of it
immediately either.

So guys, they did home fries.
Together.

I can’t believe I’m admitting on
the mic that I forgot, you know

what?
But home fries.

I love Catherine O’Hara in that
movie.

She is so, like, evil and
twisted and hilarious.

Like, she’s so, so, so funny.
Of course, she’s always funny.

And I’ve always loved her
performance in it.

So yeah, once, once I like it
hit me.

I was like, Oh my gosh, it just
made me like, extra.

And you know, of course,
everyone’s like Home Alone.

Beetlejuice, like the big ones,
right?

But I’m like, oh, not that many
people are mentioning home fries

and it’s like a really cool
special performance, so.

I mean, I don’t know how many
credits she has, but she’s one

of those people that’s like done
so much work that like, yeah,

they’re gonna people be people
like us who are like, what about

home fries?
And there’s gonna be like 100

other movies probably that Like,
what about this?

I know anyway.
I think.

Maybe we’ll get to home fries.
Maybe this year.

We did cover it over on our
friends makeover montage, yeah,

on their podcast like a few
years ago, like 3 years ago.

But yeah, we got to get to it
over here.

So if you guys are interested,
let it drop us a line and maybe

we’ll bump that up in the queue.
Yeah.

It’s we always like, once we
find some inspiration or reason

to cover something, we get
really excited about it.

So like, clearly us not having
that recollection is like, wait,

that’s sad.
Yeah.

But anyway, the icon that that
person is.

Rest in peace, Catherine.
Yeah, gosh darn it.

Yeah, it sucks, but you know, we
age, other people age, time is

melting like a Dolly clock, all
those things.

True.
All right, let’s talk about some

positives.
All right.

I love, love.
Let’s talk about things that

Drew’s proclaimed her love for
recently.

OK, True Love’s trivia night.
That’s not surprising.

No, she loves a badminton.
OK.

Dairy.
OK.

Mushroom caps.
Hold on, let me go back to dairy

for a second.
Where was it that she said she

like, drove by some cows and she
said, I hope you’re dairy?

Yes.
I think it’s from US 1997, but I

definitely remember copying
that.

Yeah.
And.

Well, and I told, I told my
partner he uses it sometimes.

I’d be so funny.
But anyway, dairy.

I also love dairy.
OK.

And on the other side, she also
loves Daisy.

No, not just dairy, but also
Daisy, the name which we know.

Yes, totally.
But she also loves when people

call her Brew Bear cute.
She loves Katie Segal.

Awesome.
Comfy.

Cozy. 100%.
A knee high look.

OK, immediately thinking of her
first appearance in Mad Love.

Yeah, and then finally, Drew
loves nature.

No way.
No way, right?

This is such a fun like little
segment.

I love.
I adore it guys.

We love, love.
Yeah, it definitely speaks to

that part of our brains that
loves tidbits galore.

Yes, because they’re like little
ones that like, I don’t know,

Drew also she proclaims love for
things a lot and it’s like a

funny.
I think she would probably think

this segment was funny in a way,
you know?

Like, sure, I agree.
We mean it in all of the love in

the world.
Should we get into our mailbag?

Let’s do it.
You’ve got mail.

OK, we have two today.
The first one is from our friend

Marcus, who runs the Instagram
account Charlie’s Three Sexy

Sleuths.
And he was trying to leave this

on our YouTube for our last
episode, the one about our

favorite red carpet looks.
Yeah.

And then because YouTube is a
glitchy as hell, it went from.

He could see it private while he
was like viewing it.

What?
I know I’m telling you guys, I’m

sorry for those of you who
listen to us on YouTube, we’re

trying to figure it out.
But anyway, so this is what he

was going to leave as a comment
and he sent it to us.

OK, so Marcus said go to the
episode page on Drewseum website

and click through the photos as
they discuss the gowns.

So worth it.
You 2 make me so happy with your

organizational talents.
Oh, I love that already.

Yeah, let me continue as I was
hoping the photos on the episode

page were in order as you
discussed so I could click

along.
And of course they because y’all

are the best.
Of course they are.

Of course that’s us.
You.

Know I, I love this comment so
much because it’s like it shows

like the work thing that you do
to like get that part like ready

and somebody to appreciate it
because I’m always imagining

like that people are not doing
that because I listen like on

the go if I’m listening to a
podcast.

So grateful for people who like
go and like enjoy the visuals.

Like, it’s absolutely, it’s part
of the heart behind this whole

thing.
I’m glad it’s being appreciated.

Also, a really quick side note I
wanted to tell you about him is

that we were talking about
newspapers.com, which has become

my new, yeah, incredible source
for stuff.

Thank you again, Lindsey Blake.
And he was telling me that

there’s this, like, Hawaiian
newspaper clipping of Jacqueline

Smith from the last season of
Charlie’s Angels, that he’s

like, he lost it.
He hasn’t seen it in 20 years.

And I found it on there, and it
was so gratifying.

Yeah, it’s not cool.
So fun and cool, I love that

kind of stuff.
I’m so excited to help.

That’s rad.
Yes.

So our other in our meal bag, we
also have a comment on Spotify

on our last episode and this is
from the person behind the

Alyssa Milano Museum, which we
mentioned in our last episode

and we got a comment from them.
Oh, very cool.

So they said.
Hello, Anne and Ashley.

I’ve been following you for
years.

As a fan of Alyssa Milano, I
must say you’re doing an

admirable job with your podcast.
I’m improving my English and

learning all about Drew
Barrymore.

That’s so cool.
Yeah, he said.

I laugh along with you when I
hear you laugh constantly.

I was like, I just laughed right
now for no reason, just hearing

him mention it, he said.
I’m listening every day right

now because I wanna catch up on
the episodes.

Keep it up.
Greetings from Paris, France.

So cool, that’s so.
Cool.

And I don’t think I I think
maybe I didn’t catch the line in

the last episode where you were
saying Alyssa Milano’s like big

overseas.
I don’t think I caught like, oh,

this gentleman’s from France.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So that’s so fun.
I love how like with the

Charlie’s Angels account with
Alyssa Milano, like, they’re not

like, I mean, obviously
Charlie’s Angels has a

connection to Drew, but he’s
also focusing on the old TV

show.
Like, it’s like we’re

tangentially sort of connected,
but like, because we all do

similar work.
There’s also that Sharon Tate

Instagram account that I’ve
become friendly with and like we

just have this kind of like
kindred spirit thing going on

and I just love making these
friendships with people.

Yeah.
And like the style of collecting

too.
It’s like what, like what you’re

doing and how how you’re what
you’re doing with the legacy,

right?
Or like our feeling about that.

Yeah.
So cool.

I love these both of these
comments and they’re both from

like, like you said, like both
people who have the kinship with

us.
So thank you.

Thanks guys.
Yeah, OK.

So, so let’s go over to our kind
comments corner.

So.
Sweet.

Yeah.
Let’s just keep the love fest

going.
We’re so like, hippy dippy over

here today.
Here we are.

OK.
This is actress Jessica Williams

on the Drew Barrymore Show.
I wasn’t familiar with her

before, but she was so lovely.
She’s from the a show called

Shrinking.
Have you watched it?

I have not watched that and I
was trying to figure out what I

knew her from because I
recognized her and she was great

on whatever I watched her on and
I was like, oh her.

Like I’d never seen her
interviewed.

Yeah, she has a really nice
energy.

Yeah, she really does.
So this was just like, they’re

in the middle of sort of a
conversation.

And Drew said something about
like how being an entertainer

doesn’t feel like very
important, you know, like, or

meaningful in the world.
And then Jessica just went off

on this like incredibly kind
little kind comment corner.

It’s it’s so lovely.
I, I love it.

OK, so let’s let’s listen to
this.

I’m a.
Prior.

But you, you have your work.
You’ve affected my life

profoundly.
I feel like I experienced you at

the exact right age for the way
that you have deposited into me

and my generation in a really
cool way.

Like with the Charlie’s Angels.
Like you were the Angel that I

wanted to do.
Yeah, like seriously like.

And your phases, like what
you’ve been through, like you’ve

always been quite candid about
your rebellious phases and what

you’ve been through and your
childhood, I feel like I’ve

always been aware of that.
If you’re a millennial, we got

to experience you as this girl
who never quite fit in.

You were still quirky, even
though you’re like white, you

were white, but you were still
like a girl that somehow felt

accessible from the way you
speak, to the way you dress and

to how funny you are and full of
heart.

So I just want to thank you for
that.

I’m so proud of you and what you
have done and how comfortable

you make people feel.
Good.

So it’s so beautiful and the
whole time, like they’re both

like tears, right?
Like streaming down their faces.

It’s really kind, but it’s also
like, it’s that also speaks to

exactly like why we’re doing
what we’re doing.

I know we’re both going to cry
now, like.

It’s like my, I know.
It’s like in my throat, I’m

like, thank you, Jessica
Williams.

Thank you for saying that so
beautifully.

I love the eloquence behind
everything, she said.

That was so magnanimous.
It was.

It actually was magnanimous,
truly.

And I think like it.
I mean, obviously it doesn’t

matter how many times somebody
says something like that to

Drew.
I think to her, it always feels

like shocking and fresh and new.
Like, she’s not jaded.

She’s not like, yeah, everyone
tells me I’m the best, you know?

And I think she needed to hear
that like, right.

She looked very, very shocked
and touched.

Right.
Like, she knows that people know

her.
Yeah.

But I think she thinks she’s
just, like, in the background.

She’s just that old piece of
furniture.

Yeah.
That’s literally what she thinks

she doesn’t realize.
Like, Well, it’s also like the

generation of women who are,
like, becoming professionals

right now.
And like, can you know, like us,

we’re like, oh, we can talk
about it now.

Yeah.
We figured out how to talk.

About it, we have a platform,
yeah.

But anyway, that was that was
beautiful, beautiful moment in

the kind comments corner.
All right, another segment at

the top, guys, there’s a lot at
the top.

I love it.
All right, so let’s get into

this week in Drew History.
This is a biggie.

What a day Oh my God, February

Can you go back there in your
mind?

Because I can.
Because we were there, I.

Can and that’s 22 years ago.
I’m just going to say it out.

Loud OK, so not only did Drew
get her long time coming, well

deserved star on the Hollywood
Walk of Fame, and we had that

ceremony, there was also the

And I am feeling very certain
about this.

In between those two things, I
believe she filmed Ellen.

It was the first time she went
on that show because she has the

same hair, the same makeup, the
same jewelry.

And Nancy Juvonen makes a little
appearance, like off to the

side, and she’s wearing the same
jacket that she was wearing at

the star ceremony.
So like it has to be even though

they say that was a couple weeks
ago because it aired like a

couple weeks later.
God, we’re so like you’re.

We both are.
So like, we know how TV is done

now and like, we’ve also like we
noticed weird things on the Drew

Barrymore Show that they do that
we won’t get into right now.

Lately.
But like they had to do that.

I guess they have to line up the
guests for future episodes which

is so weird to think about.
They have to pretend.

I guess.
Yeah, it’s pretending.

Anyway, that is a fun little
part to like notice because the

makeup is exactly the same.
Yes, makeup is exactly the same.

Yeah, her lashes.
The hair is exactly the same

the.
The Ring.

Everything.
Yeah, it’s, it’s too much exact

like, everything about like the
wave of her hair that I’d be

shocked if it was on the same
day.

So yeah, she was busy this day,
February 3rd, 2004.

Well, link to the Ellen episode.
There’s a couple clips of it on

YouTube and the whole cast of

not the whole cast, but several
people.

So that was fun.
But yes, as I said before, we

were there at the Walk of Fame
star ceremony and the 51st dates

premiere off to the sideline
being like delegated as little

fans.
So it’s just before we had the

what does she say we have all
unlimited access or?

Which we don’t, guys.
We don’t.

But we could go on and on about
like how exciting those were.

We actually have our our episode

like her, the family history of
getting the stars.

And it’s actually a pretty cool
episode from what I remember.

And we do tell her like first
hand account of being there that

day, which was so, so, so
special.

So go listen to that if you want
to know more about that day.

But she was beautiful.
It was incredibly special.

I’m still so like happy that we
got to be right there.

Yeah, and then the 51st dates
premiere, we almost got to go

into the regular theater, but we
were with a group of like 4

people.
So Chris Miller, of course, saw

us and he’s like, Oh my gosh,
come on in.

And then he could only get like
a couple tickets, I think,

right?
Yeah, it was like, I think he

could only get 2 instead of
four.

Yeah, or something.
Like that.

So he ended up somehow getting
there was like an overflow

theater across the street also
still showing the movie, and he

was able to get all of us into
that.

So we got to see it like like 10
days before it came out.

Yeah, it’s cool.
It is really cool.

It’s so surreal.
Like anyway Drew, make some more

movies so we can go to more
premieres.

I remember the concessions being
free like.

We were we.
Were balling, Yeah.

And we, we’re gonna be talking
about 51st dates really soon,

you guys.
Yes, we are.

Oh my God, there’s so much weird
loveliness morning up right

here.
I mean, how could it not?

We’re like also almost to Drew’s
birthday like.

There’s a lot she got a like a
star on the Walk of Fame for her

birthday in 2004.
Essentially.

But anyway, that was a really
exciting day.

Like, we got to spend so much of
it seeing her, which is so cool.

It’s probably over, like, the
span of like, several hours, and

we got to see her once and then
see her again.

Like, have we ever had that
happen before?

Anything else like that?
Super unique.

Yeah.
So anyway, special day, special

moment in our history as well as
Drew.

‘S history.
That’s right.

All right, so there’s a little
bit more at the top because

Drew’s busy, which is fun,
right?

We love it.
All right, so let’s get into

what’s new with Drew.
Here we go with the news,

everybody.
OK, it’s already been like weeks

because it’s just like with the
way our recording schedule has

worked out.
But in case you guys missed it,

there was another virtual
Charlie’s Angels reunion with

Drew Cameron, Lucy and Demi
Moore.

And they did the leg zoom thing
like they did last year.

Last year they were talking
about Demi in the substance.

And this year, and this is for
Elle magazine, they were doing

it to celebrate Lucy’s success
with her film Rosemead.

And I was kind of thinking about
it.

I I wonder if this was sort of
to help, like maybe push for an

off.
Nomination for Lucy I wonder if.

It was actually she didn’t get
but.

I loved hearing them like rain
praise on her.

It really makes me want to see.
This.

Yeah, me too.
I didn’t realize like Rosemead,

it’s, it’s the city in Saint
Gaber.

Yeah, she she mentions in it
that they like had a couple days

where they filmed like in, in
Rosemead.

But anyway, it’s really lovely
to hear those like 4 women’s

talk to each other because they
just are so like they love each

other so much and it’s like it’s
really sweet so.

I also noticed Drew posted a
video recently the one of

Douglas running around her
bedroom.

Yeah, she had like a picture of
the angels in the Swiss Miss

costumes like on one of her
tables.

I know my eye caught it.
I’m like I love it.

And the Lucy has like 1 of their
I think it’s one of the TV.

Guide cover or like it’s either
TV Guide or some other like

photo shoot that was used a
million times with like, red

background.
Yeah, yeah, I love that.

And in this one, you can like
see it sort of blurry in the

background, but again, it’s so
recognizable.

If you know, you know.
Yeah.

Yeah, OK.
And then a bunch of episodes of

Hollywood Squares.
Oh my gosh, yeah.

So episodes five through 10 have
come out since we last recorded.

Crazy.
We recorded really early last

time, I guess.
We did kind of late this time.

Yeah.
Lots of fun.

Looks.
One I do not care for.

I bet you can’t guess which one,
Anne.

I haven’t even watched those
like most recent episodes yet,

so I haven’t seen the look until
like seeing this little picture,

the hair because you wrote that
it reminds you of her hair in

reminds me of her hair at like

AI think it’s like the
Confessions of a dangerous Mind

premiere when her hair is like
longer.

Oh, you know what I think it is?
I think it’s enough confessions

exactly like I think.
It’s first.

States.
It’s a 51st states somewhere in

Europe or something.
Yeah, that’s what it looks like

to me.
It’s like she’s also wearing

black and white at that, I think
anyway.

Remember, for those of you who
don’t know what the hell we’re

talking about, So I really don’t
like it when Jeru’s hair, it

almost looks like it’s like
pushed back and blow dried and

sprayed.
So it’s like, yeah, back.

I don’t know how to explain it.
And I like every once in awhile

she pulls that hairstyle out and
I just don’t like it.

So I had to laugh about it in
our notes.

And also the pic, the screenshot
you pulled of it is like she

looks a little bit like she got
hit with like a a fan really

quickly.
It’s great.

But anyway, generally of like
very lovely looks every time.

And so I’m like laughing so hard
every time I watch the show.

It’s so funny.
It’s so good.

I there, there.
It’s it’s just the perfect like

little and they’re like short.
It’s like a perfect little like

burst of like happiness and
like, yeah, they’re, they’re.

Little jabs at each other in a
really fun.

Way, Yeah.
Did you catch that very sweet

moment?
So Arsenio Hall was on, which is

kind of cool.
He’s been on a few of them.

And on the first one, Drew like
shouted him out and said how she

used to do his show and she was
so happy to be there with him.

And I feel like her appearance
is on his show because there’s

several.
They’ve only like kind of

recently started showing up on
YouTube just sort of randomly.

So I feel like they’re kind of
new to me in a way, even though

they’re from like 909293.
There was definitely one that we

saw in the last like year or so
that was like brand new to us,

right?
Yeah.

Was it like the 92 or something?
The 91 There’s a lot, but yeah,

I just thought we love a little
reunion yeah, we just thought

that was really sweet and to.
Call it out, it’s.

Like he always seemed to be like
looking out for her.

I guess I would say on those
appearances, I mean the timing

of them makes a lot of sense,
even 92, but.

Yeah, totally.
Yeah, it was a it was a sweet

moment for sure.
See, I love that you noted

Douglas, cuz I, I was, I like
Douglas has just been like

roaming around the set this
season and you can just see him

like they’ll just like do a wide
shot of like the contestants and

Hollywood Squares.
And he’s just like in the

middle, just like and you can
see like him and his reflection

cuz it’s like a shiny like
floor.

It’s so cute.
And I was like, I feel like

you’ve said before, like people
who TuneIn and are not familiar

because probably most people are
not familiar or like why is

there a dog just like walking?
Around.

I’m sure it’s confusing, but we
love it.

Love it so much.
It’s so cute.

Like, yeah, we’re gonna say more
about Douglas momentarily.

Yeah, I kind of planned that
that way.

Do you want to go over the bonus
round facts about Yeah, the the

possibly true, possibly false
facts?

Let’s hear it.
The first one was Drew has a

sneaker line called Just Drew
It.

I feel like that’d be copyright
infringement anyway.

Yeah, totally OK.
Her go to karaoke song is Paul

Revere by the Beastie Boys.
I it’s true and I feel and I was

like, I bet that’s true.
Like, I don’t know if I knew

that.
Oh, she said it many times.

It’s even on our drew details.
Oh, cool.

On our website for sure.
Yeah, cool.

OK, she hates garlic.
True.

They got you.
But you know what’s funny?

She used to say that she was
allergic to it when she was in

like in the 90s.
And then on her show, she she

kind of doesn’t want to come out
and say it, but there was a chef

not that long ago who was like,
I made it for without garlic for

you.
And she was kind of like, oh,

thank you.
So it’s like a secret.

Interesting.
I’m a surprise because she’s

such a like, she loves so much
food stuff.

And I was like, could that be
true?

Because I know there’s a couple
things she used to say she hated

but like now she likes.
Yeah, like ice.

Cream, chocolate, I don’t know,
just anyway.

So she does hate garlic, yeah.
What’s next?

She owns the actual ET that was
used in the movie.

It’s a good one though.
That’s a cute one.

Yeah, she’s probably like, I
wish I did.

Right.
OK, Drew once threw her cheating

ex’s stuff in his car and let
the car roll down the driveway.

This is true.
So I haven’t seen the two recent

episodes.
I know she talked about some

kind of scandalous thing, but
she like.

Yep.
Well, I also.

Feel like maybe at one point she
said she spray painted the car.

I can’t remember but like.
I thought it was like something

else.
I didn’t know it was roll down

the driveway.
Yeah, but we don’t know who this

is.
Like, my gut tells me it’s Jamie

Walters, but based on what we
know of their breakup, like

there’s no evidence that it’s
him.

I don’t know why I think it is.
Maybe she’s because she’s told

the story on her show like
multiple times throughout the

years.
So maybe at some point there was

some little detail that I was
like, huh, I’d be Jamie.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it
was Jamie because they like had

a house together, right.
So like that’s kind of like a

plausible connection.
I don’t know.

I also.
At one point might have thought

it was Luke like when they were
like kind of together, but maybe

they kind of weren’t.
But who knows what was going on.

But interesting.
To imagine her doing it, I could

almost imagine it more like in
the era of Jamie Walters like as

far as like the letting herself
like go that far.

I agreed, agreed, but.
It’s that’s fun.

I like it.
OK, what’s the last one?

OK.
And I thought this was so

perfect.
Like, when you think about our

last episode.
Yeah.

Drew once walked the red carpet
in a dress she’d made entirely

out of duct tape.
That.

One’s a stretch, guys.
It is, but also like, what if we

had talked about it and then it
was, you know, like what if that

was a thing that we were like,
we love this look.

That’s that’s so funny.
So that’s our Hollywood Squares

wrap up.
If you guys wanna watch the

episodes, they’re all available
on Paramount Plus.

They don’t disappear in a week
like the Drew Barrymore Show

episodes do.
But I did notice Season 1 is

gone.
It was up there forever and now

it’s gone.
No.

Good thing I take all these
screenshots when I’m watching

it.
Right, right.

That’s that’s good.
That’s the archivist in you

working.
Absolutely.

Like it’s going to go away.
Like everything goes away.

OK, a little bit more new.
As I said, we were going to

mention Douglas.
So Douglas has his own Instagram

account now at Douglas
Barrymore.

So funny inspired this I.
Don’t know but I love it so much

like I’m you.
Want to find the bio?

Yeah, it says.
I’m Douglas Barrymore.

Drew Barrymore is my mom, Co
host of the Drew Barrymore Show.

I’m almost 16, but age is just a
number.

It’s so cute in the little
profile picture of him and the

like.
Cowboy get up.

It’s adorable.
It’s so cute, Douglas.

I can’t wait to like rain all of
my likes onto your page.

Yeah.
Anything to get like a little

more drew content in a different
like lens is so fun.

Right, Yay Douglas.
We can’t wait to see more

Douglas content.
OK, last thing before we get

into our lovely weekly topic.
Yes.

Final thing is that those new
MSC Cruises commercials are

officially out.
There are three.

They have titles.
One is karaoke, one is that’s

funny and the last is cabana and
Spritz.

So we will link to those.
They’re exactly what you guys

expect them.
To be right, they are.

They are cheesy.
Drew’s adorable.

I actually had, like, a stress
dream about being on a cruise

this morning as I was, like,
about to wake up.

That’s so funny.
I forgot.

Yeah.
And I was definitely like, why

am I about to jump?
Off like Drew in 1984.

You’re about to jump right off
that cruise, which she talks

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Hi, Drewbies just a quick note

before we get into the episode.
As you may have noticed if you

listen to the intro, my audio
was not up to par this episode,

but we couldn’t completely redo
our natural tone of this episode

once I realized.
So enjoy and thank you for your

grace regarding the less than
optimal audio.

Quiet.
Hours.

You have always been my
wildflower, showing up wherever.

OK, so you guys were getting
into Drew Barrymore’s 2015 book

Wildflower.
This is just the beginning of

something big, like I said at
the top.

Yeah.
How do we jump into this?

Well, let’s start with just this
little from the inside flap that

kind of tells us what this book
is about.

I’ll just read it real quick.
So it says.

Born into Hollywood royalty, the
granddaughter of the great John

Barrymore, Drew Barrymore has
become one of the biggest stars

of her generation.
Despite an unconventional

childhood, her life went on an
incredible trajectory in both

good and difficult ways.
After starring in ET at the age

of 6, she became an emancipated
adult at the age of 14.

And it’s actually 15, But sorry,
that’s just me being annoying.

And built a life and career of
her own that millions of fans

admire.
Growing up wasn’t always easy

for Drew, but through patience,
hard work, and great

friendships, she did it.
And now she’s writing about it.

I like that.
It’s a lovely way for that to

start.
And it mentions, like, what

we’ve been talking about
generations of people who, like,

love her.
So cool.

Yay.
OK, so that’s a.

That’s a lovely way to jump in.
We should say that a lot of

Wildflower content is gonna
start flowing over at our

Patreon, so make sure you make
your way over there for that

soon.
Patreon.com slash Yeah, we’ll,

we’ll talk about it more, but
we’re going to be covering every

chapter over there in depth.
But this is sort of like our

overarching Wildflower episode
where we’re going to talk about

the history of the book and get
into some of those like smaller

things about it.
And then you got to go over to

Patreon to do the deep dive with
this.

Yep.
All right, so this is Drew’s

third book.
She had released A Little Girl

lost in 1990 and Find it in
everything in 2014.

And then after this we have
Rebel homemaker in 2021.

So she now has four books, which
is so cool that we have like

more.
And I’m like, I, I’ll just say

here like I already have
multiple copies of each one and

I just got two more copies of
this book Wildflower on eBay for

so cheap.
And I’m like, great, they’re my

reading copies.
I think I now have 4 copies

like.
I love it.

It’s like, I’m not mad about it.
No.

But we do have episodes on all
of those Little Girl Lost, Find

in Everything and Rebel
Homemaker.

So we will link to those all on
the episode page for this

episode if you haven’t listened
to them already.

That’s so cool that we’re like
finally completing the whole

series in a way.
Well, starting starting the

series and.
Starting the series that will

wrap up her book series, she
writes the other one that we

made.
It sits in her a memoir.

Yeah, and that will.
Obviously have to be like

sources on and help Fact Check
for her.

I I hope.
So because like I said, the flap

right there tells us a lie.
She did not get emancipated at

She thinks she’s like rewritten

history in her mind.
Like she used to say 15.

It was reported right before she
turned 16.

So she’s actually closer to 16
than anything else.

But it’s OK she she did move out
at 14, so I can see why she

would conflate that information.
Right.

Like maybe the process started
that early and she’s just like

she was done at that point.
I don’t know.

Yeah, she doesn’t need to be the
expert on the timeline of her

life.
That’s what we’re here for.

That’s true.
So whenever you need our

services, Drew for your next
book, just let us know.

We know you’re.
Listening all right so

wildflower it was announced on
February 26th 2015 by the

publisher Dutton that she would
be releasing a collection of

autobiographical essays.
This was a huge, like, I don’t

remember like where I was when
we heard about it or anything

like that, but it was like very
surprising.

We did not know that this was
coming, right?

And Drew statement at the time
was I love stories that are

humorous, emotional and
welcoming, and that is my goal

in writing this book.
So I think it was like it wasn’t

done at that point.
I think she was like still in

the process, which is so cool.
That’s cool, yeah.

And we’ll talk about, like, she
talks about her process a bit,

which is so cool that we have
this, too.

So we have like, not only the
book, but all this extra little

stuff because guess what?
We’re paying attention.

So here’s some quotes from Drew
about the process, she said.

I was just trying to tell
stories.

I was excited about
inconveniently making you feel

something because it made me
feel things.

When I was writing it after it
was finished, I was like, I

think this has become something
about the in between moments

that really no one had, no one
was Privy to.

That’s that’s actually a really
cool way to think of it, Drew.

Yeah.
That is a very cool way to think

about it.
Because her life is public, but

not these things, right?
Right.

Some of them we knew, but.
Right of.

Course, but we’re weird, OK?
Drew also said that writing the

book was, quote, a really
beautiful year long process.

She would steal away for three
hours a day, two to three times

a week to work on it.
And then she wrote the first

stories I wrote at a coffee
house in our summer vacation

town.
I would sneak out before the

girls were up.
I put my laptop in my bicycle

basket and rode to the coffee
house.

It was very cliche, but I was
very excited.

And this totally makes me think
of you editing the podcast at

your little coffee place.
Did it make you think of that at

all?
That’s how we visualize it.

No, but that, that’s so funny.
I I don’t ride my bicycle, but

like I do it feels like you I
couldn’t hear it.

So you don’t know how intense it
is.

But I like the picture that
because there’s something about

like the idyllic kind of like
nature of how she’s describing

this.
And like summer vacation town,

you noted it’s like out in Long
Island.

So like it’s really beautiful
there.

So.
Yeah.

All right.
So I like all.

She points out that it’s cliche,
but also that she was like.

But it was she was like, I’m
living the writer dream of my

life.
Right, OK, so here’s a little

bit more about the process, she
said, writing about my dog,

Flossy.
I was bawling.

And if I’m laughing while I’m
writing about Cameron Diaz and

these jackasses that we were
with, hurling ourselves out of a

plane and then crying writing
about my grandfather in this

Hawaiian hotel room, I’m like,
OK, maybe all that will come

through.
I don’t know if I’ve read that.

No, yeah, I mean, this is true.
That’s the way she talks.

That’s true.
That’s true.

A couple more quotes just
because it’s like sort of fun to

know where her headspace was
when she.

Was.
Yeah, yeah.

She said I actually was crying
as I was typing, but I also was

laughing all the way through it.
I always wanted to write, but I

just did not have the organized
time, the bravery and probably

enough life experience to feel
like I had something to say.

No, Drew, that’s wrong.
Or even perspective on my life.

Like humorous objectivity.
It’s very personal.

It’s my heart on a page and yet
it doesn’t cross any boundaries

and become anything I wouldn’t
want my children children to

read, which I think like that’s
a notable thing.

This book is very rated G like
right.

This is not the scandal.
This is like the absolute

opposite of Little Girl Lost in
a lot of ways.

Right.
Yeah, that’s so, that’s so

interesting to think is when I
read that line, when I was like

looking at the notes, I was
like, wouldn’t normally I like

I’m making it something that
kids can read and it wouldn’t

shock them or, you know, like
her own.

Children.
Yeah.

Like it’s almost like little
girl lost in wildflower.

These perfect like duality
things that kind of represent

Drew herself, like both sides of
her, right?

And we’re but we still have this
whole thing in between that’s

like very intimate that we’re
we’re ready to we’re ready for

that Drew that book.
We’re ready for all the other in

betweens that you haven’t
talked.

About yet between the in
betweens.

Right.
And then she also said it is a

cheerful, optimistic book and
hopefully surprisingly emotional

here and there.
I wrote it with the feeling of

such warmth.
Which again, very opposite of

Little Girl Lost.
Like if you guys don’t know, we

just deep, deep, deep dived on
Little Girl Lost.

And it is very dark and
upsetting at times.

And it’s like, yeah, there’s not
a really a feeling of warmth in

that book, except maybe on the
side of ET.

Right, so big duality here that
we’re going from where we’re

going from to where we’re going
to in our explorations.

Like it’s I’m excited.
Me too, but I also was I was

going to say she keeps she keeps
like describing that emotional

roller coaster like surprising
people with emotions.

So like.
Yeah, hey, I mean without

jumping ahead too much, I
already did the first chapter

and it is like emotional.
It is upsetting and sad it and

it’s not that one does not have
like the happy warmth that I

feel like the rest of the book
has got it so be interesting.

OK, so the title Wildflower and
the release date were announced

on May 13th and I just think
this is so cool.

We came into this part of the
episode with Sheryl Crow song

Wildflower and our friend Missy Munday,
who we’ve mentioned many, many,

many times.
She’s the one who created the

fan site where Anne and I
actually met online when we were

teenager.
She made this beautiful tribute

video to Drew for her birthday.
Like I want to say like more

than 20 years ago.
I mean, I feel like at least.

Yeah, and she used that song.
And so it’s just so perfect that

like, you know, that is the
perfect sort of way to describe

Drew a wildflower.
It’s like, again, it’s like

these two, those two books, wild
and Flower.

That kind of sucks, but how neat
is that that she had used that?

So we have that video on our
Drewseum YouTube.

I had uploaded it a while ago
because I just wanted it

accessible.
I’m so glad I had it on.

Like a disk.
Yeah, watching it was so

heartwarming too.
I was like immediately took me

back.
I cannot watch it without, like,

bawling, like tears rolling down
my face because it just like,

captures Drew’s beautiful
essence and why we love her so

much.
And it’s funny because, like I

said, it was made so long ago
that she couldn’t, like, upload

clips, so she’s like, filming
them off her TV.

But it sort of gives it like a
really neat, you know, kind of

retro look.
I guess so.

Yeah, that’s actually what I
thought when I there were parts

of it where it looked like an
old tape of footage and it was

kind of staticky and I’m like,
oh that’s really cool cuz it

looks like, like you said, like
a feature someone would try to

imitate.
Right.

Like someone to put a filter on
their stuff now to make it look

like that, yeah.
Anyway, I love that that like

that brought you there.
Like you’re like, oh,

wildflower, hey, that reminds me
of this like wonderful moment in

our specifically.
Drew history.

So cool.
Yeah.

OK, then the cover was revealed
on July 20th of 2015.

It’s such a great cover.
We’ll describe it a little bit,

I guess in a minute.
It was a cover designed by Grace

Hahn.
The cover art photography done

by Diego Future tell in May at
Drew’s home in Los Angeles.

You noted here, I love this.
They’d work together in the

early 20 tens for California
Style magazine Flower Beauty and

Flower eyewear.
So a bunch of flower theme

things like.
Like every shoot they’ve ever

done is just surrounded with
flowers.

That’s perfect.
Yeah, I love it so much.

Yeah.
What?

What else do we want to say
about this cover?

So I guess we can just kind of
describe it.

Well, she’s on a trampoline,
right?

And she, they caught her.
When she’s like going up, she

looks just like kind of that
underwater shoot from 2009.

Somehow she can just know how to
work with the camera.

Even in these sort of weird like
me on a trampoline would not

look this like peaceful and
Kareem.

Right.
They love the like handwriting

font they used for the cover and
like have like kind of splashed

over.
It’s it’s perfect.

Like I, I, I love this cover so
much.

And I also love the back of the
cover where they’ve also got her

jumping on the trampoline, but
it’s the back of her and there’s

something.
So why do we love that?

We love photos of the back of
her.

I’m thinking of that one from
another magazine.

Right.
I thought of that immediately.

Yes, I thought of that
immediately.

Also, back to the front, I’m
pretty sure she’s holding a

perfect Peony, which is my
favorite flower.

And it’s like, it’s like
literally a Trader Joe’s Peony.

That’s like they’re like very
special.

And I was like, it’s just maybe
that’s why I started getting

some into peonies.
I’ve never made that connection

before.
Right, right, That’s so funny.

I know you love those.
And it is really lovely on this

that that’s like the only thing
that’s color really on the

original cover.
Yeah, that.

So the original cover is like
like this, like grey a very

soft, like it reminds me of
like, like a neutral background

color that museums use.
Like it’s very neutral, but like

in a beautiful warm way.
Like how is grey warm?

I don’t know.
It is though you’re you’re

nailing your description.
I know you don’t think you are,

but I’m totally here with you.
I am.

I guess I’ve been like analyzing
colors for a long time as like a

framer and stuff.
That’s true, but what was I

going to say?
Oh, we haven’t really talked

about like her dress, like, I
don’t know.

It’s it’s it’s also like simple
yet beautiful and playful like

it’s got.
Like embroidered flowers on it,

it’s like.
Mostly white.

Yeah.
Like it’s, it’s really lovely.

And then yeah, it’s fun what
they did for the paperback that

they used basically the same
layout, but it’s like bright

blue.
Yeah, like almost Tiffany Blue.

Yeah, it’s.
Close to that.

It is kind of close to that
actually.

It’s fun because I can always
notice it on the Druze news desk

because of that bright blue.
It’s always fun to spot it

there.
That’s fun.

I love.
I also love that they added this

quote on the cover with the
paperback.

It says pure delight.
Yeah.

It’s really cute.
I’ll just say one more thing

about the back of it.
So there’s a quote there that’s

from the book.
It’s from the preface.

Right, it says.
We all have stories to tell.

These are mine.
Oh, and I just noticed that you

can see the trampoline.
Yeah, it’s kind of funny that

they left it in.
Yeah, I like it though.

Me too little behind the scenes.
We love that.

Yeah.
And then of course, there the

author photo Diego also took.
And it is true with her

daughters, Olive and Frankie.
And she doesn’t often show them

anymore.
In fact, she hasn’t for probably

pretty soon after this book came
out.

So it’s it’s nice to know that
like, like I’ve used that one

for Mother’s Day a couple times
on social media because I’m

like, she chose this one.
She said this was OK to show

people, right?
This, this can be the photo that

we use of them until, until
there’s another state.

You know, I was just gonna say
that until, like, they’re of age

and they can put out photos of
themselves with their mom that

we will.
Share We.

Hope, right?
But it’s adorable.

It’s so cute.
It captures them like how old

are they here?
Gosh, one and three.

Yeah, they’re little.
It’s.

It’s darling.
It’s really darling.

We have more behind the scenes.
This is so fun.

So Drew posted a few times about
recording the audio book in

September of 2015.
So we like have like this

timeline exactly locked down by
Drew herself.

That’s, yeah.
And I guess we didn’t really

like put anywhere in the notes,
but yes, there is an audio book

of Drew reading everything
herself.

We will occasionally be
inserting clips from that in our

coverage.
Sometimes they’re very slow.

Like I think she was directed to
be very clear and concise with

her wording.
So sometimes it’s hard to like,

you know, I think Anne and I
speak a lot faster than that,

and so does she normally.
Right, right, right.

But it’ll be fun to put them in
once in a while.

And there are some like fun
ways, of course, that she is

speaking about her own story.
So it’s like it’s a unique way

to enjoy the book for sure.
And you just got it through the

library, right?
So people, if you haven’t

listened to the audiobook and
you want to, that is a way you

could do it for free.
Yeah, it was completely free and

it was easy.
I had to I have to wait for like

the the e-book that’s not the
audio book for like 2 weeks.

Wow.
Yeah, so that’s crazy, but the

audio book was available
immediately.

I was like, oh, perfect.
Love that.

Love Libby.
Yes, exactly.

Thank you Libby and libraries.
Yeah, we love libraries, yes.

So the book was finally released
on October 27th, 2015.

I never think of this as like a
Halloween release.

It’s a spring.
It does just sort of like a

special little thing.
So the day of the release, Drew

posted a tribute to her mom,
Jade, on her Instagram.

And she used a photo that we
were asked to provide, which is

really cool.
Her people, AKA Mason at the

time, reached out and said, you
have a good photo of Drew and

her mom.
We sent this over.

It’s from the book The
Barrymores.

And yeah, Drew posted it and she
credited us, which was really

fun.
At the end of the caption, she

wrote thank you to the Drewseum
for the photo and they

even showed on Entertainment
Tonight with the caption.

I was like, wow, we made it to
Entertainment Tonight.

So cool.
Do you want me to read the

caption?
OK, so the caption said today I

wrote a book and as I think and
celebrate many women this week,

I must say a huge thank you to
my mother.

As I say in the
acknowledgements, thank you for

my life.
I am ever so pleased to be here.

We have had quite a road and it
is paved with gratitude.

So cool.
And then followed by thank you

to us.
I also think this photo of Jade

is the most reminds me of Drew,
the most of any photo of Jade

I’ve ever seen.
Funnily enough one of the first

comments cuz I went to because
you linked to it in our notes.

Yeah, it said.
Like you look so much like your

mom.
Oh, that’s interesting.

Yeah, and I was like, I had
never.

I shouldn’t say I have never,
but like, I usually don’t look

at Jade and go, Oh my God,
never.

It’s usually like I see her.
I see her like dad, yeah, so

much and that side of the
family.

But you’re right.
It really does like look like

her now.
Kind of the expression, right.

It’s pretty cool.
Yeah, it is.

We have really cute pictures of
you and me when we got the book,

we’re going to recreate those.
But yeah, the book, I mean, I

guess I’ll just say really
quickly, it was over 10 years

ago.
Like what?

I still remember dropping Mila
off some at something after

school and driving to Barnes and
Noble, getting my book and like,

sitting down in the cafe and
just like, Oh my God, it’s

finally in my hands and like
flipping through.

I remember it being very, I
mean, like, God, imagine that

happening now.
So exciting.

It’s so exciting.
It’s so exciting.

And Speaking of exciting things,
they did a bunch of book

signings around the country.
Not a bunch, a few.

No, there were a lot.
I think it was 10, yeah.

Oh wow, cool.
And we have to mention another

thing that we’re at.
We’re just here to brag today, I

guess in Los Angeles on November

the book signing at the Grove.
Is it?

Is that what the Barnes and?
Noble at the Grove.

And we have an episode about
this.

We’re just going to keep veering
you to more episodes.

Episode 16, we tell you all the
details about that day, which

was also very special.
That was.

Very special.
We were kind of given, I’ll just

say it, VIP access.
So it’s sort of funny.

It’s like we went from, you
know, being off to the sidelines

with all the fans at the 51st
dates premiere.

And eleven years later.
Yeah, We were literally like

reserved seats in the front.
We were told to not go through

the regular line for signing the
book.

We were treated to like a little
private hang, withdrew after

everybody had left like.
Incredible.

That was that was probably when
when did we go to flower and

like talk to her in the
entrance?

our best, like, right, you know,

moments of like really getting
her time and just being really

special.
Not that going to the Drew

Barrymore Show wasn’t, but that
was much more rushed.

Right.
So this, I mean, this was one of

the times that her team at that
time were really In Sync with us

and utilizing us and seeing our
value.

It was really incredible and I
love that you like in our notes

you popped in like the card we
gave her and the little gift

that we gave her.
I’m like Oh my God, I forgot

these little details of like.
Yeah.

You know.
We got our nails done like at

Olive in June, Which carried
Flower Beauty nail Polish.

And yeah, Drew’s like friends
with the owner of that.

Like it was just a very like,
exciting day.

And we had like our In style
magazines, I believe, like it

was just a total Drew day.
And we’ll just mention too, like

we were there with Joalena and
Brian, of course, our friends,

our friends who we’ve mentioned
before.

Hi guys, Both been on the show.
They’re both amazing.

Yes, and we got to all like we
have like a row of these drew

bees just all giggling together.
And we had all met on the same

message board as teenagers, like
Joalena and Brian were like 14

when we met the pod line.
So little, so like, and like

we’re full adults in this and
it’s 10 years ago.

Like this is guys, we’ve been at
this for a while.

Yeah.
And I don’t unfortunately

remember which of the
inscriptions she put on my book,

but your book is signed.
Love you so.

I know.
Yeah.

So we got to have, like, our own
private little signings with

her.
I know that she wrote.

I think in Joalena’s, she wrote
Love, love, love.

Like they were all different.
Yeah.

Which is so cute.
And I think.

Mine says you’re the best with a
little error, but.

Wouldn’t it be true otherwise?
And then we kind of, I remember

we had sort of discussed ahead
of time, like what if we had her

sign?
Like we don’t normally go for

autographs.
It’s not really our like major

thing.
But what if we have our sign

something and make it out to the
Drewseum?

And so she did.
There it is.

And showing it both to post this
video.

So we brought the famous
Herb Ritts photo of her profile.

It’s like kind of the Drew
picture to a lot of us.

And it was like the perfect
thing to bring.

And she wrote to the Drewseum.
My friends, all my love, your

girl D.
Yeah.

And so this became like the
heading of our website, the the

Jerusalem.
It’s our like profile image on a

lot of things and.
It’s and it’s the picture I’ve

I’ve taken to get my hair cut
probably since 2005 or

something.
But yes, I have it framed and

it’s at my home in Maine.
With I’m so like that’s not in

storage.
It’s one of the only parts of my

collection that I brought with
me and I’m not sure why but I

think I was just like oh I can
bring like that feels easy

enough to like pack with other
if.

You hadn’t.
I would have been like, you need

to send it to me like it needs
to be seen.

This was very special.
Like it was like, it literally

feels like the postcard was like
the perfect thing for signing

like the way that the way that
the white border is.

Oh, Drew.
It’s just gorgeous.

So that’s our, like, own little
side amazing story to do with

Wildflower.
It’s just, you know, we’re very

lucky to have had that access
and that opportunity.

Thank you, Chris Miller.
And yeah, so now we’ll get back

to the book.
We also have to mention that

Wildflower appeared on the New
York Times bestseller list the

week of November 15th at #9 and
stayed on the list for three

weeks.
So I’m sure that was huge for

Drew.
Oh, yeah.

Like, I mean, that’s really
exciting.

And I mean, us Ruby is all over
the world.

We’re a huge part of that.
Yeah, and like, as someone who

loves books so much and she like
reveres authors, like that’s

probably, you know, I, I think I
don’t know about Rebel

Homemaker, but her other three
books are on the list at various

points as well.
So pretty cool.

Right.
I’m sure it’s that made her

really proud.
Yeah, that’s what she deserved.

Yes, we made one more note about
another release.

So the paperback book was
released on May 17th of 2016.

I don’t remember if I bought a
copy of the paperback yet.

Oh no, isn’t.
That weird you?

Must.
I must, you think I must, but I

don’t remember.
You think I must, but must I?

Well go get it cuz it’s cute.
Yes, it’s very cute.

OK, so we’re gonna talk talk
about some kind of random parts

of the book.
So like I said, we’re not gonna

get into chapter by chapter
until we’re over on Patreon, but

we will talk about there is a
dedication, there is a preface,

there is a poem entitled
Wildflower, and there are the

acknowledgments.
So we’ll get into all of those

and then come join us on Patreon
for the rest.

Yes.
OK, so let’s just get into the

dedication first.
I love that it’s just like it’s

beautifully.
It sets it in a very specific

place in time.
Yes.

But it also it’s very sweet.
To my friend family, my flower

family, my Kopelman family, and
my daughters, thank you.

You taught me everything I know.
Sweet, to the point, concise.

Love it.
This is probably a good place to

note.
So when this book came out, Drew

was still married to Will
Kopelman and that is very much

reflected in some of the
chapters.

These are chapters I don’t think
would be included if she was to

like repackage the book these.
Days right their.

Split was announced early April
of 2016, so not terribly long

after this came out.
And I even I think I was reading

like an article from the
beginning of 2016 and it, it

was, it was you could read
between the lines that things

were, you know.
Wheels were turning in that.

Direction story.
Yeah, yeah, got it.

So it’s just feels worth
mentioning because as I said,

when we get into some of the
chapters, it’s gonna be very

focused.
And here we have it right there

that she’s saying my Kopelman
family and I don’t, I don’t

think she would include that
these days.

Just a guess.
I wonder if she would just like

kind of like group it under some
other very general family

statement.
My daughter’s family.

Yeah, I wonder.
It is.

It is interesting to think
about, like how she looks back

on that time.
Another thing we would love to

read in her memoir, Future
memoir.

Just interview her about why not
hi.

Drew, come on the pod.
OK.

So we’ll just kind of go through
the preface a little bit, and

she talks a bit about like the
making of the book.

Yeah.
So she explains that the stories

are personal, and she wanted to
just, like, elaborate on these

certain memorable moments in her
life rather than write a quote

sweeping life story.
And I think, you know, maybe we

should have even said that
earlier.

Like, this is not a
chronological linear biography,

right?
This is literally like short

little essays about just
different moments in her life

that she wanted to talk about.
It’s, it’s so fun and it’s so

unique in its own little thing.
Yeah.

And again, that sweeping life
story thing like.

Leave that to the pros.
We’ve pretty much been doing

that for the last 3 1/2 years on
this podcast.

That’s.
True.

And she says that her publisher
wanted to call this a memoir,

but that felt too heavy for
Drew.

Like it just didn’t feel right.
Because it’s it’s not really.

It’s interesting to think of
like the distinction, like, OK,

then it becomes what?
Like a biographical book of

essays.
Like biographical essays?

Yeah, that’s.
That’s accurate.

Yeah.
She, she said this before in the

quotes that we said above.
But she wants the book to be

something you could just, like,
dip into and feel something.

So like you, like you said that
like even in the first like

story, there are like emotions
that come up.

So definitely, definitely.
And then finally, she explains

how hard it was for her to like
pull herself away from her

daughter’s to work on this.
But she made it happen, which

I’m like, props to you because
even just recording this today

took a lot of like moving parts
for me.

I do not have my daughters
around.

Yep, Yep, totally, totally.
Again, like a little peek into

that moment.
We’re looking at this little

girls on that cover like little
little girls.

So we have this is video you
took at that book signing of

Drew Reading.
So we’re going to just finish

the end of the preface of Drew
Reading this at the book signing

rather than the audiobook.
This is kind of more like

exclusive to us.
Yes.

And very like fun to revisit
this version.

Yeah.
So here we go.

For some reason I had to write
this book.

I have become more private every
year and yet these stories were

beating at the door of my heart,
screaming.

Let me.
Out.

Maybe it was that I have always
dreamed of being a writer.

Those people who do the typing
and the transporting are my

heroes.
I have never been able to do

that.
I have never been brave enough,

hard enough, had enough, to say
I had not exercised those

abilities in my life, and now I
have, alone in a room.

And yet, as I say in the book,
you do nothing in this life

alone, and most of all, you do
not live alone.

And therefore we all have
stories to tell.

These are mine.
You know, I just had an

interesting thought, like as as
she was reading that because

she’s like, oh, I’ve never been
that person to sit down and do

the typing.
And I’m like, yeah, we’ve kind

of learned with little girl
loss.

She did not.
Like she went and sat with Todd

Gold in a restaurant and told
him everything and then he ghost

wrote it.
But right, it’s sort of neat to

know, like, this was sort of her
chance to really do that.

To really do that, Yeah.
When did she start doing like

those blog posts?
Oh, that was like COVID.

That was like 2020, OK.
That’s so fun and has like a

yeah, a feeling that’s akin,
like almost like those are

little essays.
Right.

Oh my gosh.
Well, when we finish doing

Wildflower, we’ll do all the the
blog, the blog.

That there’s not that many of
them.

Yeah.
I wish she would bring that

back.
Gosh.

Right, I know the last one was
quite a while ago.

Anyway, we’ll get into that
later.

Guys.
We have endless content to cover

with Miss Barrymore.
Oh, it’s time to come.

So here’s another thing we want
to hear.

I want to I thought it would be
fun to hear Drew read.

So the the first kind of like
it’s not a chapter, but the

first like content in the book
is a poem called Wildflower you

noted here.
We like, don’t know when it was

written because there’s not
really any attribution day or

anything or like who it was
written for.

Yeah, I remember it first being
like, did Drew write this?

And like, it’s very obvious.
But I remember when I was first

reading it, I was like, wait,
where’s this coming from?

What is this?
Right, so I’m going to play the

audio book version of it just so
we can hear the poet herself.

OK.
Wildflower, a poem out there in

the world of chaos.
All the concrete and fumes.

People with determination behind
the wheel, the soles of their

feet.
Wiser, some faces with souls of

routine, others with high hope
of their destination.

Among all the human and
industrial invention, my eyes

find a tiny wildflower with
pretty yellow petals and a brown

button nose, reminding me that
there is beauty everywhere.

A compass of nature, a second of
stillness in my mind as my heart

races to the rhythms of its
swaying in the wind.

You are that flower, reminding
me of what is real.

No, that’s cool.
I just had two thoughts while we

were listening to it.
Sorry.

I just so many things come up to
me on the fly.

Number one is that the the
flower swaying the wind is

literally like a feature of the
wildflower video that Missy

made.
It’s kind of weird.

It sure is like the primary
feature.

Yeah, there’s a Daisy flapping
in the wind.

That’s.
Crazy.

And also, this is very thematic
of the 1st chapter where she’s

talking about, I’m not gonna go
too deep, but where she’s

talking about growing up in a
kind of gritty neighborhood.

But she had these tiny little
pieces of nature at this duplex

where she lived, and that it’s
sort of the same thing here in

the concrete, this little
wildflower growing.

And I’m sure she sees herself,
that little wildflower.

Yeah, and I like how above it
was like, who is this written

for?
I think she’s just writing it

for herself, right.
Oh, maybe.

OK, so this is all this is fun
because it gets into like so

many people we know why they are
here, a handful of people, why

that we don’t.
So the acknowledgement section.

Yeah, it’s almost like this
weird little like peek into

something that you’re not really
supposed to know.

Like I always love the
acknowledgements in books cuz

you kind of find information
that maybe you wouldn’t

normally.
I don’t know, It’s just a funny

thing.
I mean, similar to like, it’s

not really the same, but like
notes at the end of like

scholarly papers sometimes will
be like this person for like

helping me like not kill myself.
Like not really, but like, yeah,

here’s all the people who helped
them through it.

And it’s just like at the end of
some like very anyway.

I totally get what you’re
saying.

Yeah.
This is the very end of the

book.
Yeah.

We’re just going to, like,
quickly summarize here and

there.
So she of course starts out by

thanking her girls and the
Kopelman family.

Of course.
The flower, her flower films

family, and she specifically
mentions Nancy Javonin, Chris

Miller and Mason Hughes, who
yeah, we’ve talked about all

three in this episode already.
That’s hilarious.

Yes, we have.
And I feel like she says

something specifically about
Mason, like I don’t remember

what it is, but something like.
I wanna look.

Says the great Mason Hughes, who
is my rock in every way.

I just thought that was it was
sweet.

Come back.
Great.

I know what what is.
Do we know what Mason’s doing

now?
It’s a side, side moment.

Yeah, I don’t know.
Mason, we’d love to have you on.

Are you listening?
I would love to have him on.

I’ve put the offer out before.
Maybe I need to put it out

again.
Yeah, maybe.

Tony’s been on a couple times.
He’s he’s kind of like making up

for some of Mason’s silence
there.

She also acknowledges that her
literary agent, Simon Green, and

her editor, Jill Schwartzman.
And you pulled a quote of Jill

talking about Drew.
Yeah.

Yeah.
What is it from?

It’s from Good Housekeeping

I just happened to like come
across it while I was not

looking for it.
So, so, her editor said.

Drew is so passionate and
dedicated.

We sat shoulder to shoulder,
ending her book, and not only is

she a wonderful writer, but by
the time she left, I’m certain

she’d hugged at least 75% of us.
Probably 100.

Let’s see, that sounds about.
Right.

She also thanks, of course,
Steven Spielberg and his wife,

Kate Capshaw.
So there’s a like sweet, of

course, little thing about that.
Yeah, then there’s like, there’s

like agents, attorneys and
business managers.

We don’t need to give their
names.

She does give a special thank
you to makeup artist Robin

Fredericks.
And she said because Robin

always said to me in a playful
yet forceful tone that I should

write about my story.
So thank you, Robin.

Yeah, thank you.
We have you to think

specifically.
And then the next section is she

lists girls who make her swoon.
So these are a bunch of her

girlfriends.
We’re not going to read them

all.
Cameron is there, her old school

buddies, Mel and Justine, which
is fun, like Tamara Davis.

It’s a great list.
There’s some that I’m like who?

But for the most part I’m like
Yep, that all makes sense.

Yeah, yeah, she also thinks her
nanny, so she lists two people

specifically by name, which is
really sweet.

Of course, she’s talking all
about, like, not being around

the girls all day during this
process.

So big deal.
Like TJ Vodin’s parents, she

thanks them for making her feel
like a daughter, which is breaks

my heart a bit.
I love that she thanks Jimmy

Fallon.
And so it’s like, go socks.

Yeah.
That’s so funny.

Yeah.
She also thinks the crew of the

cover art for the book, So the
photographer Diego, and then

Deborah Ferrullo, who did her
makeup and Mr. Daniel Howell,

who did her hair, which is, she
says, like, thanks for always

making me look beautiful or
something like that.

Yeah.
There’s also the former

Barrymore Brands designer
director Francesca de la Fuenta,

or Fuente, she accidentally
writes.

Francesca Fuente.
And I was like trying to find

her.
I’m like, that’s not right.

So it’s, I think she was the one
behind the look of like Flower

Press and that old Like Flower
by Drew website that was so

colorful and graphic.
I think she’s the reason for

that.
She did some like Barrymore Mag,

I mean Drew magazine stuff as
well.

Very cool.
And Dear Drew, she was very

involved with the Dear Drew
store.

We love that stuff.
Yeah, like, amazing.

And then her last two
acknowledgments are two of her

parents, she says.
And to my mother, Eldiko Jay

Barrymore, thank you.
I am ever so pleased to be on

this planet.
And to my father, John Drew

Barrymore, see you again
someday.

Oh, really?
Sweet.

Yeah, so that’s really cool.
So those are the

acknowledgments.
So those are all the kind of

like, little bits and bobs from
the books that aren’t in the

chapters.
One last little thing just to

sort of wrap it up on the book
flap, it says from Fancy love

her work.
To anyone who has ever had to

struggle to become an adult on
his or her own terms, this is a

book that will inspire delight
and show the true meaning of

family, happiness and love.
Nah, it’s true.

So just for the last time, we’re
going to say it again.

There are 28 chapters in this
book, which is more than I

realized we were signing on for.
All right, all right.

We’ll be covering them in depth
on our Patreon.

We were kind of talking
privately about how some of the

chapters might be, you know, not
have enough to expound upon that

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How Do You Drew Episode 122 – Favorite Red Carpet Looks

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I’m an
I’m Ashley. And this week we are
discussing our personal favorite red
carpet looks worn by our girl Drew. This
is going to be so fun going through this
like literally when you’re saying like
[laughter] all aspects of Drew’s world
and I’m like this is like literally her
whole life.
I know.
I was like reviewing while doing this
like a little bit of research. Like
it’s also wild that we’ve never done
this. Like it feels like we must have
done this at some point but nope we did
not. I literally was like oh my god did
we do this for the website because we
had like a top five. Yes we did. We did
a long time ago.
Oh did we? Yeah, it’s gone though. It
like got lost when our site got lost.
Anyway, this is totally unrelated too.
Okay, I was just gonna say like we did
magazine covers because I remember that
list too.
And we also done our favorite of Drew’s
performances. So, if you go guys want to
know some of our other picks. Uh we will
put links to those on the episode page.
Yes. Can we do some follow-ups to our
last episode? Yeah. Our last episode 121
was all about Drew’s film and TV cameos
and we had a caveat at the top. We were
like hopefully this is the definitive
list. We’ve probably forgotten
something.
We kind of joked about it a lot
[laughter] like
Yeah. So I mean first thing is I want to
say is that I think some people consider
Batman Forever to be a cameo and that
did not meet our criteria because first
of all she gets like opening credits
billing like a cameo would never have
that and she’s in quite a few scenes. It
was originally supposed to be more like
a cameo but the role was expanded and if
you guys want to know more about Drew’s
um involvement in Batman Forever you can
listen to our episode 107. It was a
really I really enjoyed doing the
research on that one. And I had so much
fun.
I was just going to say for how little
she’s in the movie, I feel like we
talked a lot about like her involvement
and it was really fun. Like that was a
weirdly fun episode, right?
I just um had a message from our friend
Joalena who she just listened to it and
she loved it. I was like, “Thanks. I
love doing it.
Thank you [laughter] Joalena. We love
you.”
Okay, so we also just wanted to mention
that we did miss a few cameos. It’s
bound to happen, right?
We’re human. I guess we’re not the
perfect Drew Barrymore encyclopedias we
claim to [laughter] be.
We’re using like so many sources and
then still things pass through.
Um so in 2005 there was a movie Stewie
Griffin the untold story where Drew has
a voice cameo as herself
and this is um Drew at like an event or
premiere and she her date is the
Kool-Aid Man. So that’s kind of funny
you [laughter] and we’ll we will link to
that as well. It’s on YouTube. Um, the
next one was pointed out by our dear
friend Tess. She was like, “Hey guys,
remember in 2022, Drew did a Simpsons
voice cameo as herself.” So, she had
done a guest appearance in like 99 on
the show,
right? As a character.
As a character. Yeah. This was like a
very literally a cameo. It’s like two
lines or something. And she’s herself on
the phone with Marge. And that is season
34, episode 4, The King of Nice.
Yeah. And that’s I love that Tess
pointed out. She said like the Simpsons
is huge in her household. And I was like
that’s so cool that like she like pulled
it out of like two fandoms. I don’t
know. Like that’s really cool.
Yeah. Thank you, Tess.
Yeah. And last of all, um in 2023, Drew
was on the Eric Andre show as herself. I
remember the ridiculousness of her like
she was like overly compassionate,
right? Like as herself.
Um, it’s like this panic moment where I
don’t even want to try to explain it,
but um, she’s like comes in, she’s like,
“I’m Drew Barrymore. I’m an empath. I
can help.” And it’s like, it’s very like
it’s over the top
esoteric comedy. It’s very strange and
like what what just happened.
It’s very Eric Andre. I guess if I know
like very little about him, I can see
that it goes that way. Like almost
like weird, like over the top, but just
like a little bit uncomfortable. Like
what?
Yeah. [laughter]
All right. Okay. So, now we can move on
to other things at the top of the
episode. So, let’s talk about things
that Drew’s proclaimed her love for
recently.
I love love.
Okay. Drew loves a loaded baked potato.
Yum.
She loves a Diane Keaton baby boom
moment. [laughter]
She loves fried green tomatoes, which I
remember her proclaiming her love for
that like decades ago. So, I love that
consistency.
I think I’ve seen it once and I do
remember enjoying it.
Oh,
right. I need to see it again.
Really? I’ve seen it a lot. It was like
a favorite of mine for a while. Um, it’s
like also the other Mary Louise Parker
movie where she’s like sick and kind of
in a lesbian relationship. [laughter]
Got it. Very familiar.
Yeah. Drew also loves coffee and steak
together.
Okay.
She loves a Japanese breakfast.
Okay.
Harold Ramos. Okay. Watching cooking
shows. No surprise.
She loves when it’s not unanimous.
[laughter]
It’s kind of that thing of she loves a
debate, all those things.
Okay, sit down. Did you know Drew loves
the Beatles?
No way. How has she not said that?
[laughter]
I know. I checked.
I mean, of course she said it, but like
in any of the things that we
specifically have covered like
since we’ve been tracking. Yep. Okay.
She loves Rod Stewart.
Okay. Drew loves America’s Got Talent
and wall art. I like the wall art. As a
framework for many years, I’m like,
“Yeah, me, too.”
Hey, yeah, that’s right. [laughter]
Now, let’s uh go into our mailbag.
[laughter]
You’ve got mail. We got a really sweet
email from the lovely person who runs
the Lucy Lou fan account, Lunatic
Fringe, which is such like creative
name. I love it.
That’s cute.
Um, this is just going to be a little
small excerpt. She also shared a lot
about Lucy’s involvement with Charlie’s
Angels. And she showed that she has she
owns the red dress that Lucy wears in
the massage scene with Tim Curry. And
it’s like on a dress form and it looks
all beautiful. So, I thought that was
really fun.
That’s so cool. Yeah. Okay. So, she
said, “I’m a huge admirer of yours and
what you’ve been able to accomplish with
your fandom, including your amazing
memorabilia collection. The podcast is
fantastic and fun to listen to. As a
Lucy Liu Liunatic, I especially loved your
recent Angel’s Anniversary episode.” A
thank you.
Thank you so much. And we will link to
that Instagram as well. You guys got to
go to how youdrew.com for all the
episode links. and we love collectors.
So like just like to hear that somebody
like has a costume and gives a
about that like I don’t know you know
it’s like
on a like completely separate but
related side note um there is also an
Instagram account called the Alyssa
Milano Museum.
Okay.
And the guy that runs that has been
collecting for way longer than we have.
And I don’t know how much you know about
her, but she has like a huge like
overseas like she was like huge in Japan
and stuff and I think he’s French, but
he showed his binders and it like put
ours to shame. I couldn’t believe it.
I love imagining other collections like
ours. Actually, I haven’t Why haven’t I
really imagined like specifically like
binders of like photographs and clips
and stuff?
I will send you the post. Yeah, I was
nerding out on it.
I mean, come on. I’ve got I’ve got a
sound for this. I love paper.
Yeah.
Yes.
I like paper. I want paper.
[laughter]
Paper in binders. Thank you.
I mean, we are I’m just It’s like making
my heart flutter a little bit.
I [laughter] know. I get it. I get it.
All right. Speaking of things that make
our mind our minds flutter. No, our
hearts flutter. Let’s go into the kind
comments corner.
So sweet.
Okay. Did you see this Instagram reel
that went up today on the Drew Barrymore
Show’s Instagram account?
I just watched it. Yeah.
Oh my gosh. So, it’s a They show a
picture of Drew when she was 10. And I
know that we have talked about this
before. She just looks you can just tell
she is just struggling like she’s in a
sad place.
The one part I remember she says
something like if you look in her eyes
you can see that she’s seeking like who
do they want me to be?
Yeah. Yeah. She’s just talking about how
there was so much pressure on her for
like her looks and her weight and like
you’re not old enough, you’re not young
enough, you’re not cute like you were in
too heavy.
Yeah. So, um anyway, of course there’s a
lot of really sweet comments on that,
but I like this one and it has a mention
of her being a light, so I thought this
was a good one for us to [laughter]
pick. Take a drink. She’s mentioned
being a light.
And this was left by Julia D. Whitley.
And Julia says, “I see you. I too was
that little girl being told who and what
I am by everyone but me. You have been a
light for so many of us all through your
life. And now you are lighting up the
sky with love, energy, and soul. Thank
you for being you.” That’s really sweet.
I know. That whole thing like really got
to me.
Yeah. And I think that she,
you know, she’s seeing that little girl
in a totally different way in the last
like several years. And it’s amazing.
And it’s amazing for us to go through
this and see the trauma like
within the pages of her book, within
like her life that’s been so public.
Yeah. Did we talk about the sardines
thing? I don’t think I think it happened
in between recording. Did you see where
she like
said she had a realization in therapy
that she as a little girl is one of the
sardines?
Yeah, I did.
Like it was healing. Yeah.
Yeah.
We love this stuff. And it’s like in a
way it feels like woo woo but in another
way it’s like no like this is like
healing you know.
Yeah. No, she needs to do this work.
[laughter]
Yeah.
From my like very armchair
perspective but like
deep diving in Little Girl Lost and
doing all these other millions of you
know hours of
you want to talk to her about them
because we know her perspective is like
so interesting.
So anyway that was lovely. Thank you for
that comment.
That was nice. And that was that post of
Drew was lovely of her talking about
that. Like it was really sweet. Okay, so
let’s get into what’s new with Drew.
Here we go with the news, everybody.
Okay, so the MSC cruises, remember we
talked about we knew that she’d filmed a
commercial. So there’s just a couple
more snippets that have come out about
that. There’s a cute behind the scenes
video and there’s also an onset
interview with Drew and Orlando Bloom.
So, be sure to check out their YouTube
if you want to see those. And again, we
will share the links. Okay. So, let’s
get into the next two episodes of
Hollywood Squares. Okay. So, um as of
this recording, episodes three and four
aired. There will be more airing the
night we record this, so we’ll talk
about those next time. Um this is really
sweet though. So, we have a nice little
like correspondence relationship with
Deborah Ferullo, who has worked with Drew
forever as a makeup artist, and she
worked on Hollywood Squares. and she
sent us a sweet little message just kind
of because I was asking you know how
sometimes Drew has this like freckle
here that gets really like um
colored in
accentuated. Yeah. Yeah. So I was just
like, “Hey, what’s that all about?” Like
I’m just curious, you know?
So she said, “Hi, happy new year.” Yes,
Drew has a little something there. Not
what you call a mole, but maybe a
freckle. For this look, I think I was
going for a 60s vibe, and I thought
giving her a little mole would be cute.
We do 22 shows and I try to change it up
for every show, but sometimes there is
just simply no time. So, we repeat a
look. And then she said, “As far as my
process goes, I have none. I’m not a
makeup artist that really thinks about
it. I like to start and then see where
it takes me.” Honestly, I’m just
crossing my fingers and winging it. I
love it so much. And that just like that
sentiment feels so Drew like
Yeah. And like successful every like her
Hollywood Squares looks so great.
They’re so great.
They’re so great. Who’s styling her for
them? Is it Lee or is it not Lee?
No, it’s not Lee this time, but um I’m
sorry. I don’t have the name at the top
of my head, but um Matthew Kilgore is
involved, which is cool. We like saying
that
Lana does her hair, but for some reason
Lana’s not in the credits. It’s kind of
weird, but like on social media, she’s
being credited by the other people who
worked on the show. I’m going to assume
that’s [laughter] correct.
Maybe it’s like more on like a team like
that’s lower level somehow. I don’t
know. That’s or just like Drew’s
personal like she’s I’m bringing my hair
stylist like she’s whatever.
Yeah.
Who knows? Um I’ll pay her out of my
pocket. Like don’t put it on the
whatever. [laughter] I don’t know. I
can’t I can’t imagine what the reason
would be. Okay. So the bonus round facts
I actually don’t remember if one of them
is true. [laughter]
Okay. And this is so funny because the
first one I’m like they absolutely
filled these over the summer. Like no
one listened to our last episode. But
you talked about something exactly like
this on our last episode.
I did and I don’t remember that.
Okay. So, the first one is that she
almost lost a finger once making a
smoothie.
Okay. And I didn’t know if it was true.
So, remind me like is it true or false?
It’s false.
Okay.
And you were talking about fingers in a
blender because we were talking about
the Santa Clarita Diet
first commercial. [laughter]
I was like, what are you talking about?
Like when would I ever have mentioned
that? That is so funny. Now I have the
image. It’s there.
Yeah. [laughter] So clearly somebody got
their inspo from that commercial. Okay.
It’s false. Yeah. And then the other one
was that she said Adam Sandler is her
best on-screen kiss.
And that was true. And I actually for a
second thought it was false because I
thought I was thinking about how she
like kind of had to say that she didn’t
think Jake Gyllanhaal was a good actor on
some show. And I thought there was like
a kiss thing that ended up anyway. Yeah.
And I think like I feel like there’s
been times that she’s been asked that
and she’s deferred. Like she never wants
to like pick favorite. So I was also
like
that’s why I was kind of not sure.
Okay. [laughter]
I mean they definitely have like won
awards for being like on screen kiss,
right?
That’s [laughter] true.
Whichever one has the best kiss, they’ve
won
MTV.
Okay. So now let’s talk about like one
of the coolest things we’ve literally
seen in a while. So, Track Star, if you
guys aren’t familiar with this like
show, I usually just see clips on
Instagram. I realized I didn’t know they
were long form, so I’m like stoked.
So, the guy basically has celebrities,
well-known people standing on the street
in New York listening to music on
headphones and identifying the artist.
And it’s always fun, like almost no
matter who it is, it’s fun. And can you
explain like how this totally was like
structured interestingly?
Um I mean I first of all I wasn’t
familiar with this until so it was like
double exciting for me because it’s
really fun. It’s got like that name that
tune thing to it and it just like
appeared on Monday morning and I was
like what is this? This is so cool. So,
they’re on the roof of the CBS studio
building, which is really funny. And um
every song that was selected for her to
identify, I was like, “Oh, these were
chosen with great intention because
pretty much every single one except the
last one, which is the only one she did
not identify, I could like very easily
connect to her.”
Same. So, I was going to say it really
quickly is that I don’t know if that’s
usually the case. Things about it felt
really different than the other ones.
and she was like, she had just had him
on the show, which I was like, that’s so
cool for him.
And yeah, so she didn’t know this Wing
Chong song. And one thing that was
really funny is I was watching it with
my partner who loves Wang Chung.
[laughter]
He’s like, they’re one fan. No.
Well, we had been talking about Wing
Chong like the day before or like hours
before. I think it was the day before.
And then we watched this and he goes,
“Oh my god, they put a Wing Chong song
in.”
And then I had a weird coincidence with
that song. Um, this week too. Neil and I
were watching an old episode of Angel
and the character Angel like sings Wang
Chung karaoke. I was like, why is this
song in the ether?
That’s so amazing. I need to get back on
Buffy and Angel by the way. I never
finished.
You should. You should.
I really want [laughter] to. Anyway,
back to Track Star cuz it’s so cute.
It’s so adorable.
This is like my favorite thing she’s
done in a while.
And I was like, she loves music. Like
this is so her thing. Like it was so
great. And it also like she had like a
story for everything because again they
chose like very good ideas for songs. Um
and she just felt sort of like similar
to the Bill Maher interview. She just
felt more like relaxed and like herself.
Yeah.
Less performative and like obviously she
has to be performative on her show. But
um this was like a very refreshing like
ah there’s our girl kind of feeling for
me. It was so cute to see her dancing
like dancing to the Beatles and Siza and
The Cure. Oh my god,
it was so cute. And I love that we just
mentioned that she said she loved the
Beatles. Was it because of this?
Yes. [laughter]
And I I was like, “This is perfect.”
Like it’s I feel like when I think of
who her favorite band is, I still think
the Beatles.
Me, too. Yeah.
Like even I don’t know. Does she mention
it that much or do we just know that
when she talks about them, it’s with
such like reverence? Like
I think it’s just that. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay. So, talk about the coolest
part. [laughter]
Yeah. How much did you love hearing her
not only talk about this story about
making out in a car to Nirvana’s Never
Mind?
Yes.
But also like she parlayed that into
talking about her time with Hole, which
was like, you know, we always love that.
Yeah.
One of my Nirvana memories is is quite
naughty actually. I had a big old
makeout session in a car with someone to
that album in the morning sun and it was
real sexy and fun. And so when I hear
that album I go straight back to that
car.
But eventually I weirdly ended up
meeting Eric Erlandson from Hole and
going on tour with Hole and Kurt Cobain
had passed at that point. Um, but I am
the proud godmother of his daughter. And
I ended up becoming a part of that world
accidentally.
And how long has it been since she’s
mentioned being Francis Bean Cobain’s
godmother?
I have no idea.
Decades.
Was she at um Francis Bean’s wedding?
I don’t think anyone knows. I think it
was very um private.
Okay. But if you remember, Francis had
posted like a bunch of pictures maybe
over the summer and like there was one
that was Drew was in. So maybe Yeah.
I mean, I love the idea of that.
I know. Why is it so touching?
I mean, I think it’s also just like we
know that. Well, because then Drew
mentioned she never met Kurt because it
was like the year after, which was so
Anyway, it’s great. So, if you are
familiar with Track Star and you haven’t
seen Drews, watch it. If you’re not
familiar, also like go watch it. It’s
great.
[laughter]
It’s so good.
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Are you ready to talk about our favorite
red carpet looks?
Oo, let’s do it.
I love to wear a dress on the red
carpet. It feels so Cinderella fantasy.
That is so perfect. That’s totally the
sentiment that she always uses and she
literally just said that on the show.
Like it was posted today. [laughter]
What?
I know. Cosmic coincidence. I was just
going to say um [laughter] okay so
before we jump into like our tops we’re
going to just do some honorable
mentions. There are a lot.
It’s hard not to.
I literally for this thing I went
through every year where she would have
had a red carpet and skimmed [laughter]
every folder in our candidates folder
until I got to like 2015. Whatever year
I asked you [laughter] like do I need to
do this? Like it it took me so long.
Girl, I don’t know how you did that.
I don’t know why. I mean, there a couple
did surprise me and I think that’s why
you were you were kind of surprised by
my list. But anyway, there are lots of
honorable mentions because it was hard
to narrow down.
But it’s also super fun to go through
like these and maybe why we didn’t pick
them because I think I usually have a
reason why they didn’t make it like
Okay, I don’t know if I have like
specific reasons. Mine are just like
it’s just not quite there. If I’m going
to pick five, these are just right under
there. [laughter]
Okay, so we’re going to do these
chronologically. We’ll also be doing our
top looks chronologically, so we’ll kind
of be swapping wherever we ended up
including something. So, it’s it’s kind
of a weird little format, but here we
go.
Okay, so the first one that I chose as
an honorable mention is the CFDA fashion
awards. That was on fe in February of

And at that, she was just wearing
like a simple black strappy dress with
like a little bit of a gold detail, the
red lip. Like, it’s very simple, but she
looks stunning. and her like blonde hair
is like just perfectly like set. I don’t
know.
Yeah, I don’t think you’re in the
minority with that because when I did
polls for the best look of 93, that’s
what everybody picked. So,
yeah, it’s it’s stunning. And I I I when
I was going through this, I was really
envisioning like what clippings was I
always excited to get.
Oo, that’s a good way to do it.
I mean, at at a certain point, I didn’t
have that feeling because there aren’t
that many magazines anymore, you know?
So like after like 2010 that feeling
dwindled. It’s so weird.
So sad.
Anyway, so that’s a beautiful line. So
the first four are all mine. So I was
literally like
early on there were a lot like almost
made it for me.
Almost made it.
Almost. So the Tommy Boy premiere from
March of 1995. This is just classic.
Like I felt like I had to include
something that was casual
because as much as she likes to
Cinderella it up that this time she did
a few like red carpets that were super
casual. And so I just love the like
stripey sweater. You can see her like
personal butterfly belt that’s like just
so like special to her.
Super um spiky hair in that one.
Right. Right. Is she wearing one of the
like hemp necklaces?
Oh, for sure.
She’s got to be wearing one of her
necklaces. Anyway, it’s such a good
look. It just I think it the hair
actually was something that like I like
it, but I don’t like love it.
Okay. The hair can definitely be a
factor in some of my choices, too.
Right. I mean, this next one also, the
hair is not like quite there for me. So,
in 1995 as well, the indiscretions play.
Um, is this the one that’s at the
Barrymore Theater?
Yes, which we just found that out a
couple months ago. Crazy.
So cool. So, this is from April of 1995.
Also just like classic, beautiful. Um,
like this silky blue dress that’s like
kind of short. It’s almost like baby
doll, but it’s also like dressy. Like,
yeah,
it’s it’s it’s very like adorable and
perfect for like a theater.
And it’s very 95 to me, that dress.
Like, I’m like, “Oh, this is exactly
what it felt like.” [laughter]
And her I’m talking about clippings,
like her vibe. And the clippings, you
know, like and her heels are so cute.
They’re like a te- strap, right? I like
Mary Jane te- strap. Yeah, they’re super
cute.
I mean, super cute. So, that look again
almost made it. I mean, it’s it’s so
like I it really was like right up
there. I like that two of yours already
have like um a cigarette as an accessory
on the red carpet. [laughter]
You know,
that’s early 90s. True.
I was realizing how many cigarettes like
from like 1999
[laughter] to like I don’t know what
year that stopped. 96 maybe
probably. Anyway, speaking of 1996, um
another one that almost made it is The
Beautiful Girls premiere from February
of 1996. Um, she’s got this black velvet
jacket with like a classic daisy pin
that we loved and have obsessed over.
I’m sure I’m sure we’ve talked about it.
We have.
I found a [laughter] little picture. You
showed yours and Tess’s. I don’t have
one yet.
Anyway, another red lip and she’s got
the black hair and this like it’s not
the whole look. It’s like her face and
like her torso is just like so iconic.
Her makeup was so beautiful on that.
It’s so beautiful. There’s so much like
contrast. Like her skin is like snow
white. Like [laughter]
she’s it’s just be it’s just a beautiful
like simple look that really like just
shows off her gorgeous face and lips.
Like it’s beautiful.
I knew there was no way you weren’t
going to have 96 in your mix.
Yeah, [laughter] there will be more.
Okay, so now one that literally was like
almost on mine and I just kind of
allowed it to like flow into yours.
Me too.
Yeah. Well, that’s so funny because I
originally had this on my list and then
like the more I looked at it, the more I
was like, I think it’s just on my list
because it’s classic, not necessarily my
favorite. So, this would be the Oscars
from 1998 where Drew is wearing the
black glitter dress and it’s like very
low back and she just has daisies in her
hair and um tons of body glitter all
over her and Yeah. It’s like the dress
is just like
I don’t I don’t really like the
dress is kind of hanging in the front.
Yeah. Yeah.
That’s not a super flattering dress.
It’s like the glitter.
Yes. [laughter] And the daisies. Glitter
dipped daisy dawned Drew.
Yeah, I know. And that’s why it works.
But and it’s like peak 98 Drew to me
like right when I was becoming a fan.
We don’t love that hair, you know. And
[laughter] she even says, right, there’s
a quote that you pulled about the hair
like specifically. I’ll read this. So
she said, “I didn’t feel very confident
with this haircut, but now looking back
on it, I love it. This was before there
was so much scrutiny about everyone’s
hair, makeup, and wardrobe. And I
thought that I should wear what I wore
in normal life to the Academy Awards.
So, I picked up some Margarite daisies
from the bodega and put on a ton of body
glitter. I’m also a huge fan of a brick
red lip because it really warms up your
face. I could only imagine what people
would have said about this look today.
[laughter] I think she probably got like
good praise for the look in magazines,
right?
Yeah. I don’t remember it ever being
like shot down like
No,
it was pretty. It’s beautiful. It’s
right. It’s iconic level, but it’s not
like the Oh, that looks so good. Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay. So, that’s why I didn’t make my
list. Um, and then this one too. Iconic.
The Charlie’s Angels Full Throttle New
York premiere from 2003. This is the one
that is internet famous. Like the
internet loves this look. People do this
look for Halloween. This is Drew in the
My Boyfriend is Out of Town t-shirt and
she just has on black leather pants. Her
butterfly tattoo is showing which we
always love. She’s got those blonde
extensions. She’s just kind of rock and
roll. She’s walking down the street with
a bottle of champagne. Like this is just
a vibe. I’m always going to love it. But
it’s just like it’s I don’t just look at
the look and go like, “Oh, that’s so
beautiful.” It’s just more like the
whole lore behind it.
Yeah. I was just going to say like the
look itself I’m like I don’t love a
leather pant. Like there definitely were
like other instances of leather pants
like in like 95 like I think she was
wear like leather pants at Boys on the
Side and I’m like I’m like that’s right
like they kind of get a downgrade for me
but that look is so iconic that like it
has to be that and it has to be the
champagne and it has to be a costume for
Halloween like for some weird reason.
Okay, so now we’re at another Oscars
look from February of 2005. I have just
always loved this one. Like again, it
surprised me. Surprises me. As soon as I
pulled it up, I was like, “Yeah, like I
loved it and I loved I looked at a bunch
of pictures and like it was affirmed.”
She loves it. She felt like she wanted
to look very like grown up and like you
can see that there. I don’t know. It’s
never really worked for me, but I It’s
fun that you picked it.
Yes. She has like a brunette updo, so
again, the color of her hair is like an
interesting color for her. She’s got
like a pink lip, which almost seems like
it wouldn’t go with the outfit, but it’s
like perfect. um like big kind of dangly
like they almost look like bells like
her earrings. Yeah. And the dress is
like strapless black dress with like
kind of a pattern but it’s like really
pretty like both form fitting and like
wide at the bottom. Like
I don’t know.
Maybe you just like that it’s kind of
goth [laughter]
and I mean that’s not impossible. But I
also just think she looks beautiful.
Like if you just like if you just take
like her shoulders up like the way her
fa I mean it’s also like her makeup and
maybe I can feel the confidence in the
pictures like I don’t know what it is.
I love that like and that was her last
time to ever attend the Oscars. Thanks
Oscars. [laughter]
Okay, speaking of uh awards that she
never goes to anymore, [laughter] my
next my next honorable mention is the
Golden Globes from 2009. We just
celebrated this one on our Drew
Instagram because it was like the
anniversary. It happened to fall on the
same day as the Golden Globes again. My
birthday of all days, [laughter]
but this is the one where Drew has the
huge blonde hair. She said she wanted it
to look like just had sex hair and uh
she’s wearing a custom blue Dior hot
couture by John Galliano gown. The gown
is so beautiful. I’m so happy she still
has it. This was almost on my list and
I’m really glad it’s on yours. But I
literally was like, “We can talk about
it together.” It’s so beautiful and the
whole thing is like
like the blue color is beautiful on her.
Like
it’s almost like steel blue. I don’t
know.
It’s a similar blue to the silky blue
dress from the Indiscretions play. It’s
just not silky, you know? Like it’s two
like bluish dresses.
I love that at the time this got so much
flack. Like people were like so against
her look.
Her hair or just the whole look?
Mainly her hair. But like I did a poll
in our post and every single person
loved it and so many people were like,
“This is one of my favorite looks.” Like
so it was happy to see it like kind of
has gotten its uh revenge.
Yeah. [laughter] And maybe like Drew
fans loved it because we know that like
you know her being like va voom is not
always her. Like
that’s such a good way to put it,
right? I [laughter] don’t know. Okay. So
what else you got?
Uh my next honorable mention is the Grey
Gardens Los Angeles premiere from 2009.
This is Drew with the very Sharon Tate
60s inspired bib dress and the huge
hair. Again, very low back. You know,
her back is her favorite feature, so she
does it a lot. I know this one isn’t one
of your favorites, but I’ve always
It’s not. But I It is beautiful. It’s
just not like my style. So, I don’t look
at it and go like, “Oh, I like can
imagine.” Not that I’m like always
looking to imagine myself in something,
but it’s not like It’s not like for me
for whatever reason. But, I do think
that she looks awesome.
Yeah. She has like huge rings on. Just
she does 60s really well, I think.
And also 2009 so many great looks.
Go listen to our year and review for
that to hear about all of them.
[laughter]
Crazy looks and crazy beautiful looks.
Yep.
Come on. Come on.
Okay, my final honorable mention because
I just always think of this one. I
always love this one. This was like off
the top of my head it comes to mind is
the Going the Distance London premiere
from 2010. Yeah,
she was like, “This is kind of like the
version of ombre hair that like if you
Googled ombre hair, this would probably
come up.” And she had some braids in it
and she’s wearing this very short olive
colored Alexander McQueen dress. She had
a really cool clutch by them, too. And
she had written breathe on her arm as
like a test for her tattoo she’d
eventually get. And she just looks hot.
Like she’s got like huge platform heels.
Like she just looks I mean, you know, I
love 2010 Drew.
Yeah. I mean, she does look awesome.
Like kind of badass.
Yeah, that’s and Masha were her stylists
during this going the distance time and
they just freaking nail it every time
with her. I’m like, can you work with
her again?
Just send her out to a red carpet. Just
something. [laughter]
Okay, so after this break, we’re going
to get into our top looks.
[music]
So, that was just our like warm-up,
guys. That’s why we like kept those
pretty shortish. Um, now the So, we each
picked five independently of each other.
We did not consult with each other. So,
it was kind of fun. [laughter]
I tried really hard. I was like, I don’t
want to look at your list. I don’t
restraint. [laughter]
Yeah.
Um, so we do have two that we share in
common as our top picks, which isn’t
surprising. I knew we’d at least have
one. Um, so yeah, we’ll just each talk
about it. Again, we’re going to go
chronologically. We didn’t do like a
top, you know, counting down to number
one because that’s just too much
pressure.
It’s too hard. Yeah. So, chronologically
felt right for like an archivist. It
felt right to like her style in that
way.
So, the first one that made it is 1995.
Surprise. No. [laughter]
Um, the Batman Forever premiere. Uh, why
is it so wonderful?
Why is it on both of our lists? We both
picked this one. Why is it like I knew
that was going to be on my list like so
much. I think like a picture of her from
this is like one of the first 8 by10s I
bought on eBay. I’m not even like
kidding.
I love that.
Oh my god, it’s so great. So anyway,
let’s describe it a bit.
Again, speaking of a low back.
Oh yeah. Yeah. Really low back. I almost
wrote in my notes lower back tattoo as
an accessory because in a way it’s kind
of
it. It’s in my notes because it’s really
important to me personally.
Yes. [laughter]
So okay. So the the just the like brief
description of this is that it’s two
slips like a baby pink and baby blue I
guess slips that are like layered wedge
sandals which I feel like are iconic for
her at that time and I feel like you
love right
yeah she wore Yeah I do love them and
she wore them a lot
right and then a just a daisy in her
hair
so simple
in the Jane interview we get to see her
getting ready right and it’s just like
that’s part of why I think I love this
because we get to see her doing her
makeup like and it you can see it a lot
better in the um Jane Pratt thing
because the camera’s like up in her
face. So like you can really see how
like perfectly 90s Drew the makeup was.
I mean, let’s talk [laughter] about the
hair and makeup just a little bit. So
like she’s got her her short pixie
haircut and I think this is like one of
the best it looks, but like she kind of
does it wild sometimes and spiky and I
feel like here it’s like curly and soft
and like she probably just like put a
little bit of like baby oil in it, you
know, like
Yeah. Yeah. And it’s like down in the
front with the daisy rather than like
spiked up. Yeah, you’re right.
It’s It’s like perfectly parted. There’s
something about it. And then the lips
are How would you describe that lip
color?
I mean, I think this is a brick red like
she said about the Oscars 98. And the
next one that we’re going to talk about,
I think she’s wearing the exact same lip
color. Like this was very,
very 90s.
And I’m sorry to keep talking about
this, but I have to mention the necklace
because this is another reason it made
it. It’s just like a ribbon, black
ribbon with a heart locket tied to it.
Almost like choker length. And that also
like that like kind of like all the
little elements. I was like, “Yep, yep,
yep.” It was like everything. Well,
here’s why. Like this kind of sums it
up. So, first of all, I do want to say
the lower back tattoo. I just I know
I’ve mentioned this before, but I had a
clipping from Spin magazine. It said the
Drew tattoo and I that like I don’t know
why it meant so much to me and it was
just a closeup of her Jamie tattoo and
her pulling the slip down a little bit
to show it and that influenced me
getting my tattoo in the same place. So
I just that’s part of the reason I love
this look. [laughter] So it really is
part of it.
I I [snorts] remember that detail. So my
other cool detail so that it’s so cool.
[laughter]
So, Drew Barrymore herself left this
comment on our Instagram, a picture from
the Batman Forever premiere. Crazy, we
don’t get to say this a lot. So, Drew,
thank you for this quote. So, she said,
“I bought those slips and put one on top
of the other and threw on a pair of
platforms from my closet and went to the
premiere. I wasn’t at a place where
anyone dressed me, so I dressed myself
for about $50.” And I love the carefree
style to this day.
And that nails it. The carefree style. I
think that’s what we love about it so
much.
Yep. Like it seems like she thought
about it like very little.
Yeah. I also
remember in YM
95 when it’s at like timeline the very
last one is like she goes to the Batman
Forever premiere wearing two slips she
bought for like $20 each and like that’s
how it ends and it’s like yes that’s our
girl. She’s so cool.
And like it’s I mean it’s also like you
know she’s like showing her entire leg.
We get to see like speaking of another
tattoo. We get to see her cross tattoo.
Like there’s something about like her. I
don’t know. Everything about it is like
a perfect showcase of the 1995 Drew.
Like
Yeah. Little wood nymph.
Yeah. I mean this I mean I feel like if
I had to rank them that would be really
high.
I do know when we had it on the Drew
that was our number one pick because we
were just like
one of those that you always think of.
All right. So we’re not ranking but
here’s some other awesome ones. So
[laughter] tell me about one that’s on
your list.
Okay. So, um, my next pick was the MTV
Video Music Awards from 1995. It was
just a few months later. And again, this
to me is just like one of those epic,
coolest looks she ever did. So, this is
the black strapless gown that has these
sheer
panels, I guess. I don’t know how else
to describe them, but she she would hold
them and put her arms out and they look
like bat wings. So that was always like
a thing cuz Batman Forever had just come
out with her.
And the dress was made by David C.
Robinson who was the costume designer of
Wishful Thinking, which she was filming
at that time.
Mhm.
Love her style in that. But anyway,
so I can’t wait to talk about the movie
just for her style. Um, in the movie,
she wears in this like fantasy scene a
pink version of this exact dress. It’s
shown in black and white, but there’s
pictures like stills that you can see
pink.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that’s in the movie
and it was inspired by Rita Hayworth in
the movie Gilda. And she Yeah,
apparently she just asked David to make
her a version to wear to the VMAs, which
is so freaking cool.
It’s so good.
Um, and then another reason it’s really
like stands out and memorable is because
she’s wearing this huge platinum wig.
Kind of Marilyn Monroe, kind of not. Um,
but she and of course she has daisies in
it. And she said on the Drew Barrymore
show a couple years ago, I was like, for
whatever reason, I’m going to break up
the wig and throw some daisies
[laughter] on it,
which again, she was just like,
you know, kind of winging it.
Yeah. So, I’ll say two things that I
think are funny. So, not only was this,
of course, on my honorable mentions
list, it’s too good.
The dress is good, her style is good,
that lip is like very similar to the
other lip, like a brick red. I just
noticed that the dress is a very similar
cut to the one from 2005 at the Academy
Awards that I was talking about.
Yeah, you’re right. It’s got that kind
of mermaid flare,
right? And like that one I think had
like a train or something that made it
kind of flowy and like with black
strapless. I’m like, wait a minute.
[laughter] I almost got to see this side
by side like
that’s funny.
Okay, so now I I 1996 had to make it and
this one sort of surprised me because
not all the elements on their own are
cool. I was surprised at this choice of
yours.
Okay, so this is Drew’s look from the
from Dusk Till Dawn premiere from 1996.
Um, okay. So, I’ll describe the look,
but then I’ll explain what’s not so
great about it, I guess, ultimately.
[laughter]
I think I know what you’re going to say.
Well, okay. So, she’s wearing this
vintage coat that’s like a butterfly
pattern. I’d almost describe it as like
a couch upholstery fabric jacket.
So, we love that jacket. I feel like
we’ve either talked about it before or I
know that we’ve talked about trying to
find like a replica of it. It’s like
weirdly
there have there are like short versions
of it that show up every once in a while
online, but I’ve never seen the long
one.
Right. Anyway, so that this white long
kind of like slip dress. How did you
describe it?
Like silky creams. So the that by itself
I don’t love that. But it looks great on
her in contrast to the dark hair that’s
like wild and curly. The hair’s a little
big. Is that what you’re gonna
[laughter] say? Maybe I was not into
In some pictures you can see it’s very
big. But importantly, this was the the
first time she went out with the black
hair. So this debut. Yeah.
Yeah. Um and then the other cool thing I
think in contrast to that white, so she
was wearing black shoes and then this
like really cool oval pendant that’s
like pretty large and it’s black. So,
there’s something about like it’s both a
white dress and it’s like goth because
of the hair. Like there’s something
about it that is just like and the
rings. I didn’t even mention like or
think about the rings, but she’s wearing
like a few rings on her hands.
She also has that cool kind of rainbowy
beaded uh purse that she had a couple
times that she was seen with a couple
times back then. You can see it like
just barely. It’s kind of camouflaging
in with the um butterfly coat, but you
can see it down in the corner. Um
[laughter] but I always love that purse,
too. But anyway, the look overall I it
made it because I went, “Oh, yeah.” And
then as I started looking at all the
pictures, I was like, “She just looks so
beautiful to me.” And I know I ended up
now with like one of the honorables and
one here.
And then the other look that’s she’s
wearing like a different cream slip
dress was the Primal Fear premiere. And
honestly, that was like
I thought maybe that would make it cuz I
love that she had her hair up with like
a flower. That was so
for some I looked at them. I kept
looking at them side by side and this
made it for some reason over that. and
that was on my honorables and I felt
like it was just too much. 96 like
[laughter]
I think the real reason is cuz you love
that clipping where they had to like cut
out her big curly hair which I have
still have to find a picture of. I don’t
think I ever got it last a couple times.
Yeah, we have.
Um anyway, this look made it. I just
think that she looks beautiful. I didn’t
mention her like makeup, but she’s like
her lips are kind of like a dark almost
like a brownish red, weirdly, but it
works so beautifully. It’s funny like if
you take her hair away, this is just a
couple months before she filmed Scream
and her makeup is actually pretty
similar to Scream now that I’m looking
at the lip color. [laughter]
Interesting. I can see.
So weird to imagine. Just swap out the
hair. Like [laughter]
Okay, so this one was definitely on my
honorables, but I’m saving it for this
moment. So let’s get into like
[laughter] such a great one.
I appreciate you gifting it to me.
Okay, this had to be on the list.
The Ever After Florence. It actually
wasn’t the premiere. I put premiere, but
it’s actually like a gala that they did.
Um
cuz she went to a premiere in Florence
for it and she’s wearing a dress.
[laughter]
I was looking at it and I was like, “Oh,
the in contrast.” Like I was like, “It’s
kind of pretty.” Like she makes it work,
but then this dress in comparison is
just like it blows our mind. This is
probably one of the coolest gowns she’s
ever worn. I Yeah, it definitely is.
I’ll just say it definitely is. So, this
dress was custom made by Ferragamo, who
did the glass slippers for the movie.
So, it was like kind of a cool little
tie-in, and it was made for more than 50
chiffon scarves. And it was supposed to
have been sent to Drew prior to this
when she was in LA so that they could do
a fitting. and like something went wrong
and it mistakenly never left Italy. But
luckily she was reunited with it and it
fit and it all worked out. That’s crazy
to imagine it could have been lost.
[laughter]
Yeah, that is crazy.
So this is like literally the internet’s
favorite dress in the last like two
years. I feel like I see this all the
time. Like it gets posted all the time
and people always like engage with it.
Um, so she talked about it on a little
cute little video on the Drew Barrymore
Show’s Instagram not too long ago and
she said that wearing it made her feel
like part of a fairy tale, you know,
just kind of like that audio we played
at the beginning and that she does not
know where this dress is this these
days. Like she does not have it and no
one seems to know where it is. But God,
I hope Ferragamo has like archives and
it’s sitting safely somewhere. I was
just going to say hopefully that like
off the like cuff comment of her saying
like nobody knows where it is. They’re
like it’s in some collection.
I hope so because if you remember
there’s that girl on Instagram I think
her handle is Cait Conquers and she
remade it and it was a ton of work like
so you know so much went into making the
original and I hope it’s safe somewhere.
I hope so too.
Um in that same video she does
mistakenly say that she’s wearing the
shoes from the movie but they’re not
those actual shoes. Is there a version
that Ferragamo made to like sell?
Oh, to sell?
Yeah, they sold them there. I think it
was very limited edition. I think there
was like 2000 or something. But I mean,
they look similar, but if you look
closely, you can see they’re much less
intricate. And yeah, they wouldn’t have
uh had her walking in those uh ones from
the movies. Those are in the Disney
archives now.
That’s right. Um I’ll just like say like
her necklace is also really pretty. Like
this this like kind of like
lavender. I guess it’s like amethyst
maybe like oval stone is somehow works
really well with the dress and then her
hair looks beautiful.
Her hair is so pretty. It’s such a nice
updo. She doesn’t she didn’t do a lot of
updos back then and it just was like
really lovely curled framed around her
face. I also like remember getting the
InStyle magazine that covered this event
and it’s just like had all these
pictures of her.
Oh, [laughter] In Styles coverage of
events like
the best.
RIP. RIP. Oh my god, the clippings. The
quality of that paper [laughter]
paper.
Yeah,
which is like ironic because they’re
owned by people who has some of the
shittiest
shittiest paper. [laughter]
Okay.
All right. So, um yeah, I’ll just say
like one other thing. The lips are great
with it. Like it’s another like red lip.
Um it’s beautiful. It’s like Oh,
I just I love that it’s having a
renaissance. Yeah, me too. I love that
it’s still loved.
Like in in a way I look at it and it
feels dated, but that’s because it feels
because I so associate it with this and
I would never be able to associate it
with anything else. Like
totally
h it’s so good. Um okay, so I don’t know
if this one surprised you, but when I
saw it, I was like, I love this one so
much.
So in 2006, Drew um Drew’s look at the
Costume Institute Met Gala. It’s so
beautiful and I I I think when I
describe it, it’s not going to do it
justice because I don’t think it
actually
describes that well, but it’s maybe not.
But she loves this dress as you’re going
to read. So like I I love it, too. I
don’t I guess I’m like, “Oh, it’s the
only time she went to the Met Gala and
it’s pretty simple.” Like the Met Gala
is where you can go crazy, but I don’t
think it was like that back then. I
wonder I was just going to say I wonder
if they were doing themes and that kind
of like
Yeah, I don’t think it was nearly the
event that it is now.
Okay, so I’ll try to describe the dress.
It’s it’s a kind of a form fitting long
dress that looks like nude underneath
with black lace over,
but like the lace is really beautiful
and the way it’s cut. She describes I
think later, we’ll get into that, but
like the the lace sort of comes up and
like into almost like it’s like framing
the armpit. It sounds weird, [laughter]
but it there’s no straps. Like, it’s
strapless, but it almost looks like it’s
like supportive in a weird way.
Totally. It’s constructed beautifully.
And then again, like I actually weirdly
her her hair texture looks very similar
to to 1998, the look we just talked
about.
Yeah, I I really like her hair and
makeup with this. She looks stunning.
And a bright red lip and black heels.
Um I love it so much. Like I saw the
dress again. I saw how like stunning her
face is and I I mean again again how
beautiful I feel like she feels like
there’s something about it.
Oh, she does. Yeah, that definitely
she’s super confident in this.
I almost ended up taking it taking it
off but not because I didn’t love it
because I felt like it didn’t have the
iconic feel.
Yeah. Yeah.
You know what I mean?
But I I love it so much. The dress was
designed by Oscar De La Renta. She loved
how the design covered her quote pockets
of flesh unquote under her armpits.
I so relate to that. Oh, it’s such it’s
such a thing for me. I hate it.
Right. So, Drew said, “This dress should
be made more often for women. So many
more women would look better and feel
better in strapless if you just did the
cut of this dress. I’ve never felt
better about myself in my life.” And
it’s a simple placement of fabric. Like
it’s it’s that’s such like a simple part
of the like silhouette of the dress, but
it’s so flattering
and she looks beautiful. I don’t know.
And like again, it’s an updo. If Do we
have like anything with her hair down
other than [laughter]
That’s kind of weird.
That is funny. Um, okay. Do we Are we
ready to like even move on to this
breathtaking look?
I knew this would be on both of our
lists. It was inevitable because we both
just absolutely love this one. So this
is Grey Gardens New York premiere from
2009.
And this is Drew living her flapper
fantasy I would say. Oh my god.
I mean that’s putting it mildly. This is
this like beaded peachy nude gown done
by Alberta Ferretti and the styling was
done by Lee Harris. So thank you Lee so
much for finding and choosing this.
[laughter]
Oh my god. It’s like the most beautiful
dress. Like if you haven’t seen it, you
must see it. And like the color I like
you almost think it wouldn’t work.
Totally works. It’s
beautiful.
It’s so beautiful. And like the beading
on it is like subtle. Like it’s almost
like the same color. Like it’s like a
silvery on this like champagne dress.
Like it’s like so it’s subtle while
being like very decorative and feels
like you said flappery. Like very like
turn of the century. She’s got like
perfect finger waves and her blonde
hair. And the sh like the shade of her
hair in this. I’m sure you love it.
Oh, absolutely.
Perfect blonde.
And it’s like that’s a different kind of
look for her hair that year. I like her
clothes. She was doing all kinds of
different hairstyle. This is like the
most um reserved and classic, I guess.
Right.
Right. That’s like extreme compared
[laughter] to like some of the other
looks. Um I just noticed that that piece
that’s in her hair, that beaded thing,
almost looks starfish. I was going to
say it sort of reminds me of that
starfishy lily that she wore on her
wrist to the Oscars in 99 and then to
the Charlie’s Angels premiere in 2000.
It does. It reminded me of that too,
right?
That’s so funny. Um, well, speaking of
that beaded flower thing, and then she
has this face net that like again kind
of bold to wear a net covering your face
on the red carpet, but it’s just like
secret and subtle enough that it just
makes h that’s what puts it over the top
for me as one of her coolest looks ever.
Yeah. And almost like when I think about
the knit on its own, I’m like, “Wow,
weird.”
Yeah.
Like just take it on its own. If it if
it if you didn’t have something as like
decorative as the rest of it, it
wouldn’t be it would be outshown, you
know, like
um and her makeup
and her makeup.
Shakes. [laughter]
Why does she look so good?
Like everything. I mean, do we even we
don’t even see her shoes in these
pieces, so I don’t remember what her
shoes are.
I don’t know. I’d have to go look at all
her other pictures. You might not be
able to see it because the dress is kind
of long. But um luckily she does still
have this dress. Thank God.
Oh yeah.
Um it was displayed on the Drew
Barrymore show earlier this season. So
um I love it. And she said um
unfortunately she went on this like very
long tangent about how much she loves
Lee Harris instead of talking about the
dress. [laughter]
I know. I was like I wanted more
details about this. But she did say that
she wanted to have a very period look
because she thought it would be very
honoring to the Beal family. So that was
a cool it it I mean
we can’t [laughter] I’m done. I’m
leaving.
I love how you just like lost your
words, right? [laughter]
Like we are almost done, but also this
being like right in the middle like oh
it’s just like it stands on like a
pillar all its own like it’s so
beautiful.
I gasped. Not only because they had
three of her gowns on the the stage and
I’m just like that they had it all but
like when Watt was one of them it was
just like oh my god this is so special.
It’s so cool. And it’s like I almost
want to say like it’s just a premiere.
Yeah.
You know, like it’s it’s not the Academy
Awards.
It’s true. I know.
And it’s the premiere for a film that
she ended up winning awards for. Like,
you know, you can I don’t know. That’s
incredible.
Very special. All right. I love that you
picked this one. And
it could have almost made it onto my
honorable mentions. I have a reason for
not feeling that way, but go on.
Okay. So, this surprised me, but then
again, it didn’t because I saw it and I
went, “Oh my god, there’s like almost
nothing like this.”
Like, and that’s But that’s not I mean,
because it feels very red carpet in its
boldness.
Yeah.
And again, it’s just a premiere, guys.
So, this is the premiere for Whip It at
the Toronto International Film Festival
in 2009. So, there’s so many things
about it that are like bold. So, the
look itself, so who made the dress? It’s
Alexander McQueen. It’s called a tattoo
dress and it’s yellow and black. Like
bright yellow and black. Um, how do I I
mean the dress is like it’s got a lace
over the whole thing, but it’s like very
intricate lace that’s in this like
stunning pattern.
It’s almost It always like almost gives
me like a cool insect look. Is that
weird?
Yes. Okay.
No, that’s not weird. I was almost going
to say like, is it a cicada?
I don’t have like a picture of the
front, but it almost looks like actually
there’s an artist I love that goes by
Strange Dirt and it looks like something
that she would do.
So, the other thing that’s cool is like
the the straps. There’s no straps on the
dress like actually like the the top of
it is just the lace.
I never really thought about that.
You’re right.
Like so that’s why they call it the
tattoo I think because it looks like
it’s just her skin with like black
lines. So that alone is like wo like
it’s a wo would be too much I think on a
lot of people like
it’s but oh my god and then the hair. So
you mentioned how different her hair
gets throughout 2009. So we’re still in
the crazy 2009. It’s her black dipped
blonde. So like it completes the look
for me.
It matches the dress really [laughter]
right. Like if she didn’t have that, I
don’t think I would maybe love it as
much. Like it’s about the entire thing.
Like even the like high heels, like how
high they are. It just feels like just
right. I can see that her nails are like
I love the nails. They’re like
turquoisey blue. I love the shoes. And I
love the the black tips for her hair.
But
yeah,
there’s something about the like
messiness
that
Yeah.
that leaves it off. Yes. because I loved
it when she was doing some of the other
promo for Whip It when she first came
out with that hair. I love her look for
that. Um, but it’s like a little too
messy for me and that’s like the one
thing that kept it off my list.
I know. It’s kind of funny. I’m
wondering like because I agree it looks
a little bit like wispy like something’s
going on.
Okay, so we have a quote from Drew
talking about the blonde hair with the
black tips and she said, “Tracy
Cunningham and I dyed my hair white
blonde, cut it at the shoulders. used a
ruler, put black dye on the ruler, and
put Vaseline in the hair to the edge of
the ruler so the color wouldn’t bleed
up. All of it sounds very complicated.
[laughter]
Like I love I I think it’s I remember
like thinking she’s like looks punk rock
that year.
This was so perfect for Whip It,
right? For like the film and everything.
And then this was like fun to be the
premiere of the Toronto Film Festival
like to look punk rock but then like be
Cinderella. Like there’s something very
beautiful about it. So like her her look
is like there’s like a very like not a
nude lip but like a really light pink
lip. So didn’t need to do a lot with
this look.
Definitely.
And then and it looks like I can’t
really tell but like maybe the eyes are
like a black eyeliner like with cat eye.
It’s definitely heavier eyeliner than
she normally wears.
Right. So it surprised me but then again
like it just it almost like a gasp in a
different way
than the flapper. No, I think if you
were to put like
her most amazing gowns she ever wore,
this would make the list for sure,
right? So, it’s a great choice,
right? And I think that she it doesn’t
over like overshadow her, which I think
is like says a lot about her. [laughter]
I don’t know.
Her light shining through can’t be can’t
be dampened.
All right. Is this our last one? I think
this is our last one, right?
I It is right.
Yeah. Your look closes us out.
Okay. So, this was my last choice. And
this is the beautiful look at the Golden
Globes in 2010, the year Drew won for
Gray Gardens. And the dress was made for
her by Versace. Again, thanks stylist
Lee Harris. And it is again a nude
color, which nude is not my jam. So,
it’s so funny that I picked two of them.
You [laughter] got two nudes. I just
realized I was like, wait, I was
thinking earlier. I’m like, there’s
another nude dress somewhere. It’s right
there. This is like a nude with like
sparkles all over it. And underneath
it’s very sheer and underneath it’s
there’s a corset. So she like loved that
structure. And there’s the what she
calls these sea anemones. One is on her
hip and one is on her shoulder. And even
Drew herself said like at first it
didn’t make a lot of sense. They’re like
they’re very almost sequined, I think.
Um or kind of crystallike and they’re so
cool that they like put the dress up the
top for me because of these little sea
anemones that are attached there. Um
Drew herself has called this her
favorite dress that she’s ever gotten to
wear in her life.
So, this goes in the in the exhibit of
her best gowns ever.
And then another quote from her, she
said, “I love this look so much. It’s
the ultimate red carpet moment of my
life.” Oh,
everything about this beauty look was
about not trying. This is me paired down
and effortless. Drew being Drew and I
love this lip which is pink with just a
touch of berry in it. So, she wanted to
feel like herself and she also of course
looks so glamorous and it’s like she
that was her first really big acting
award if you don’t count the youth and
film awards from ET, [laughter]
right? So, this has a lot going for it
like memorable moment in her life. The
look is gorgeous. Like I I think it was
like oh that’s a odd choice like the
placement but then it like looks
incredible. Like so cool.
It’s like the dress is like a piece of
art. Like it’s really actually both of
these last couple like these actually
these last three.
I totally agree.
All of them. No. Okay. Okay. [laughter]
The last several are like pieces of art
and like and her wearing them is
something that like is so it honors her
in a lovely way. I also love she has
that huge like what looks like a globe
ring on her finger. Like she matches the
Golden Globe award very nicely.
[laughter]
She does actually when you look at it
like her hair is kind of golden and it’s
got like a golden top. Like there’s
something of her. Okay, this this is I’m
so glad this is on our list because
like speaking of her looking like proud
and lovely and like
h there’s something about like the look
on her face on the red carpet and
she knew she was going to win. No, just
kidding. [laughter]
But yeah, it’s a great one. And like it
is so funny. I don’t think of like nude
as being like a color of dress that I
would ever like choose. Yeah.
For myself or like think of if I was
like the top red look, like red carpet
looks like [laughter]
not realizing they’re But that’s maybe
that’s one reason why like they’re both
both this and the flapper dress are like
highly detailed dresses.
Yeah. Very.
But also subtle
like somehow.
Yeah. Like the more you look at it, the
more you appreciate it.
Yeah. We’re just going to sit here
sighing for the rest of the
I know. We’re just gonna stare at it.
Okay. You guys have to see all of these
looks. If any of these are unfamiliar to
you, our episode page will have a full
gallery with every look we’ve been
discussing and like some other little
bonus stuff, too. So, be sure to look.
This is a heavily visual one. So,
definitely I mean, we’re describing
them, but like I’m sure we’re like not
really giving I mean, if unless you know
them, you can’t picture them. like
they’re [laughter] just
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How Do You Drew Episode 121 – Film & TV Cameos

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How do you Drew?
How do you Drew?
Hello and welcome to How Do You Drew?
This is a Drew Barrymore podcast brought
to you by the fans, friends, and
historians behind the Drewseum. We’re drawing
on over 25 years of Drewbie expertise to
dive into all aspects of Drew’s world,
from her personal life to her
professional career. Special thanks to
our sponsors and friends at Positive
Medium. I’m an
and I’m Ashley. And this week we are
discussing Drew’s many film and TV
cameos.
Fun.
Yeah, fun. Here’s our little like one of
our uh many like list episodes that
we’re working on.
Yes, I was going to say the same thing.
I love these like definitive list
episodes that we do.
Yeah,
definitive. Hopefully. We already had
realized we missed a couple and had to
scramble to add them at the last minute
in our notes.
So definitive.
So definitive. Now it’s definitive.
Hopefully. Hopefully.
For this moment right now, as far as we
know.
Yeah.
All right. So, for the top of the
episode, we’ve got some tidbits, it
looks like. What do you got here? Well,
I do want to follow up. So, when I
listened back to our last episode, I
feel like I was a little hyperbolic
about Drew and Jade’s relationship
because I was like, Jade being Drew’s
mom, if you guys don’t know, I said
like, “Oh, since 1992, they haven’t even
spoken.” I think I made like a very
broad statement like that. And then, of
course, it like came back to haunt me. I
just kept thinking about it like, “That
was so not true, Ashley. Why did you say
that?
So, you’re like, I need to clear this
up.
Yeah. So, um I just want to say, you
know, aside from the Tom Green era of
like late was late 2001 where she
actually like did spend time with Jade.
Aside from that, um we do know that they
had like always occasionally
corresponded throughout the years via
like letters or calls or texts like very
um
sporadic or
Yeah. sporadic and not in person, but we
do know of a few moments that they were
photographed together. Um, in 2006, Jade
attended that really cool um, photo
gallery.
I think it was almost even like a
charity auction of Drew’s photography
from Africa for Marie Claire.
Yeah.
And then also in 2011, they were
photographed on Mother’s Day um,
alongside Will Kopelman. So, they’ve
definitely seen each other a few times.
I don’t think they’ve ever met Drew’s
like Drew’s daughters have ever met
Jade. It doesn’t sound that way from how
she’s spoken. That’s wild.
Yeah, that is crazy. So, anyway, I just
wanted to be like a little more clear, a
little more honest and specific, but
yeah, they don’t have like the
traditional mother-daughter relationship,
no matter how you want to look at it,
right? And they never have,
right? If you’re a regular listener, you
probably like know what we meant and all
that, but also we talk about Jade a lot.
Like, it’s a such a I mean, it’s a I
mean, we talk about Drew’s history and
that’s such a huge part of her formative
life is her relationship with her mom.
Um, so I think it’s important to clear
it up. Um, let’s just do a little bit of
celebrating at the end of this before we
get into Drew Loves. Uh, it’s the 20th
anniversary of the Drewseum on January 15th.
Oh my gosh. So, the Drewseum is our fan
site, you guys, that we created and
opened the doors January 15th, 2006. And
that is just crazy. We’re the longest
running Drew fan site on the internet.
Also, 20 years.
That’s a long time that we’ve dedicated
to this little project of ours.
Yeah, I’d say so. And that also like it
puts us at almost like 30 years as fans
when you like think about it.
Oh, yeah. We’re getting up there.
So cool.
So cool. So,
yay. Yes. Yay. The Drewseum. If you don’t
know the Drewseum, please visit the Drewseum.com
and peruse our little online Drew
Barrymore Museum.
Yeah, it’s the perfect companion piece
to this podcast.
Yes, exactly. It comes from uh our
little effort and hearts many years
coming. Um, okay. So, should we get into
what Drew has proclaimed her love for?
I love love.
Yeah, we got a great list this week.
Okay.
Okay.
Drew loves Christmas ornaments. Okay.
Snacking.
Oh, me too.
Treats.
Me, too.
She also loves civics and planning and
neighborhood stuff.
That’s funny.
I know. She loves a mayonnaise and
lettuce sandwich.
Yeah, I know. But also, I’m like, well,
I love like a mustard lettuce cheese
sandwich, so who am I to judge?
I’ll just eat mustard cheese all day
long. Mustard cheese. Mustard cheese.
So, like, yeah.
Um, she loves reading the news.
Okay.
A box cake.
Okay.
Egg whites.
Okay.
Okay. I love this one. She loves a
crooked label that’s been done by hand.
That’s so cute.
Wasn’t it like a small business on her
show?
It’s like salsa maybe. Yeah.
Yeah.
She loves when she sees men in touch
with their emotions.
A. And then finally, Drew loves a body
of work, which, you know, is kind of
what we’re over here celebrating every
time we release an episode.
That’s true. We specifically love Drew’s
body of work.
Yep.
All right. Um, okay. So, we have
something kind of fun for the kind
comments corner. So, let’s get into it.
So sweet.
I thought this was really cool. Um, I
think we both separately said that we
loved Jaime Lee Curtis’s appearance on
the Drew Barrymore show a couple weeks
ago. Um, and Jamie really seems to
understand Drew. Like what she says
here, I was like, “Oh, she gets it.”
Like this is really cool.
Like deeply gets it. So, let’s hear it.
My mom really wanted uh me to have,
thank God, a childhood,
which I understand you didn’t get. You
didn’t get that option.
No, I didn’t.
Um, and people didn’t step in and say
no. She will have a childhood. She will
have protection.
Yes. Exactly.
And I understand. And you are here on
your compassion comfort couch care,
doing this,
leaning in to people with your puppy.
And you’ve manifested now a life of
compassion, care, and leaning in. partly
because you didn’t get it and you get to
give it as a gift to other people.
That’s so sweet. It’s so perfect. And
you can see Drew like
Oh, yeah.
gearing up during it cuz she’s like,
“Oh, yeah. No wonder I want to make a
safe place for other people. It wasn’t
given to me.” Like,
you know, I always appreciate I’ve
talked about it before like Drew’s
journey is her own, but it it’s hard for
me to hear her blame herself for her
childhood. You know, she does it a lot.
So, it’s nice to hear her kind of agree
like, yeah, no one was looking out for
me and making sure I was safe,
right? And how could she have known in
in the time that was her childhood,
that’s the reality she knew except for
she knew like she didn’t have the white
picket fence and that her family was
non-traditional, right?
But how could she have known like how
much that her specific childhood and her
career impacted her? It’s so lovely that
she can have this show where she
basically gets to have like therapy
sessions like totally on, you know, like
it’s beautiful. So, yay. We’re glad that
it brought her to where it brought her
to, but sad that she had to go through
it, right?
So, thanks, Jamie Lee Curtis. Beautifully
beautifully said. Um, let’s go back in
time a little bit.
What did you pull for this week and Drew
history?
Okay, it’s not that long ago, but I
pulled it because I feel like you’re
going to really like the look, and I do
too, and there’s plenty to talk about
with it. So January 8th, 2017, Drew
attended the Golden Globes and this was
her final time attending those as of
now.
I would love to hope that she’s going to
go back cuz she actually went so many
years.
Yeah.
Um but this was our last one.
She wore a silver and white Monique
Lhuillier
I believe is how you say it.
I think it is Lhuillier probably. Yeah.
Gown. Um, she’s frequently worn that
designer on the red carpet and she was
styled by Lee Harris and I found some
cool quotes from him that he gave to
people.
Okay, so Lee said, “We are both drawn to
what we saw as a vintage art deco
quality in the gown and the special
detailing of the bare shoulder and
pleated sleeve.” Um, there’s also
another note that says it was Drew’s
idea to load up on Harry Winston jewels
so she’d bring a bunch of jewelry. And
it says, “In the end, Drew wore an
incredible array of seven exquisite
diamond rings and the most incredible
pair of flawless diamond earrings. Um,
the dress is stunning. I love the
description of art deco quality because
it looks like a building. It looks like
the art Empire State Building, you know,
like
Yeah. So, it’s beautifully art deco.
Absolutely stunning. I love it. I I want
sort of want to look at what other
dresses by that designer she’s worn just
to like refresh my memory. right off the
top of my head, the um also Golden
Globes when she was pregnant with
Frankie that had like the hearts like
flower petals. And I want to say her SAG
awards from 2010, that dark blue one
when she won for uh Gray Gardens. I think
that one too, but I think there’s even
more.
Very nice. But it’s a beautiful dress. I
love the look. Um and there’s more to
say about it, which is kind of cool.
Like you said, there’s some other
details.
Yeah. So, on the red carpet, Drew was
quoted as saying, “I was in New York in
the snowstorm last night because I
wanted to maximize my time with my
children and I was literally going like
nail-biting. I have a job to do, but I
chose to be a parent first. My karma, we
got on the plane and JetBlue got me
right here and it was all good. I was
playing with my kids all day.”
A that’s really sweet. I love that. I
love when she talks about her ability to
juggle her like family and work life.
Make it hard.
Yeah, totally. It’s also fun to note
that she attended with her Flower Films
family, Nancy Jonan, Chris Miller, and
and Mason Hughes, who was one of her
assistants at the time. So, it’s really
neat that we have a picture of them
together. Like,
we have so few of like her with her
team, you know, like
I always I always appreciate seeing
those. Um, also, speaking of cool
pictures, so Jimmy Fallon was the host,
so makes sense that uh Nancy was on
hand. and he apparently hired this
company called Photomatica to set up a
photo booth, like a vintage one on the
red carpet. And so we have some really
cute pictures of Drew posing in that.
And she signed it, too. I like found a
picture. All the people that went in
signed it. So cute.
A That’s cool. I love a photo booth.
Like
love. Always always and forever.
Yep. And I love that it’s such a thing
at like weddings now. Like every wedding
I go to, I’ve got like a photo strip.
Yes.
Um not the Golden Globes, but you know.
So, one other fun thing about this event
is that they were um at the time
promoting the first season of Santa
Clarita Diet. So, Timothy Oliphant and
Drew presented the best television
series uh comedy or musical and best
actress in a television series comedy or
musical. So, it was neat to see them,
you know, on stage presenting together
when the show would be premiering a few
weeks later. So, that’s really exciting.
And then during the actual broadcast,
the very first commercial for Santa
Clarita Diet aired. So, nice job
marketers.
Yeah. And the marketing for that, we got
to cover that show obviously, but the
marketing for that show is brilliant.
And it was the commercial where it
like kind of looks like a diet ad, you
know? Oh, it’s so good.
It’s like a blender bottle with like
fingers in it and [ ] right? Full of blood. Um anyway, really fun, beautiful look. Um great poll. I think that’s a good that’s a good choice. Um okay, a little bit more before we get into the topic. Um let’s talk about what’s new with Drew. Here we go with the news everybody. Okay, we don’t have too much because sort of similar to summer uh during the holidays, Drew also kind of disappears into hibernation. But we do want to report that there were these two surprise new Hollywood Square episodes that aired for the holidays. They are technically season 2 episodes 1 and two. So that was like out of nowhere and super exciting. Uh did you get a chance to watch yet? I did. Yeah, I did. I loved them. I like it. If you guys haven’t heard us rave about how much we love the previous season of Hollywood Squares, like we’re loving it. Yeah, it’s so enjoyable. Did we know that there were going to be holiday episodes? No, it didn’t. Surprise. And you know, she’s got a great like kind of festive look in them. Um and then like before, um we like to pull the little bonus round facts. So they go around and the contestant has to say if this is like true or false about each of the stars. So, well, I want to read Drew’s because they were both pretty funny. So, the first episode it was that her middle name is Kitten. I’m so glad the person didn’t think it was right. I pulled the speaker to my ear and hit rewind like, did I hear that right? Kitten. Yeah. Yeah. And then the second episode it was Drew designed a handbag called the Carry-more, which is very clever. It’s very clever. Like it does seem like possible. I feel like the person on the show like thought it was true and got it wrong. Drew was probably like, “Wait, why didn’t I do that in the Dear Drew line?” It almost got me. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, “No, but that’s smart.” Like it’s cute. Um but regular episodes will start airing on January 7th and um they’ve already like released press about that one and the January 14th episode. So, we have a lot of fun to look forward to. Yay. I love it. Hey Rubies, we are here to tell you about our website hosts Positive Medium and they sponsor the podcast. We’ve been clients of theirs for over 10 years and we use them for all our website needs on the drusium.com. Their services include customized web design, professional coding, search engine optimization and marketing, plus hosting, which has been huge for us for many years. Plus, their incredible customer service has been one of our favorite features. They’ve literally saved our site quite a few times, and they always help with minor troubleshooting in a matter of minutes. So whether that’s coding issues or back-end questions, etc., we reach out, we get help immediately, which is just invaluable. Lucky you. To our listeners, Positive Medium is offering 25% off any managed WordPress hosting plan using our promo code Drew. That’s D R E W. Visit our friends over at positivemedium.com. Thank you. Okay, are we ready to get into this weekly topic about Drew’s film and TV cameos? Yes. Yes. Yes. So, we want to like kind of set the guidelines for this. So, a cameo is technically a small character part in a, you know, play or show or whatever, and it’s played by a distinguished actor or celebrity. So, these all have to be like post Drew’s fame, right? The whole point is like Drew Barrymore. Um, and we’re only listing ones that are like, you know, less than three minutes. We’re not doing small parts or like guest appearances on TV shows where she like, you know, is throughout the whole episode. Like, these are really like very quick there she is and she’s gone kind of appearances. Right. Right. So, just a side note because they sort of fit into the cameo sort of realm. Uh, we released a whole episode talking about music videos that she’s appeared in on episode 25, which crazy how many episodes ago that was. I’m always shocked. Um, anyway, so if you want to hear us talk about music videos, it’s got his whole own thing. She’s in a ton. So, it’s really exciting. Definitely mostly cameos, too. So, that’s fun. Totally. And it’s funny because when I Googled I was like, I’m just going to Google like Drew Barrymore cameo. The first thing that it mentions many times is SZA’s video for her song Drew Barrymore. That’s a perfect example. Yeah. Talk about a blink and you’ll miss it. Right. So, that one comes up tons of times. So, anyway, we’re not talking about music videos here, you know, movie and TV, other stuff, but definitely check out the music videos episode. We go through a lot of fun stuff in that one. Um, all right. So, let’s begin. Um, we’re in 1985 with the release of Amazing Stories. Uh, she plays a character, Girl on Train, no name. Um, it’s the very first episode um called Ghost Train. It was directed by Steven Spielberg, so no big surprise that she ended up how she got that part. Um, she has no dialogue in this. Um, also in the episode is Lukas Haas, who would later play Drew’s brother in See You in the Morning and Everyone Says I Love You. So, that’s a fun little tidbit. I know it’s so funny like you don’t think of him as like one of her frequently worked with people, but right there it is. I made a cute little picture of like them from each of the productions and put I’ll put it in the gallery for this episode. I love it. Um, but yeah, it this is like talk about a blink and you’ll miss it. Like this train pulls up with all these ghostly like Victorian looking people in it and then it’s gone. Like it’s two seconds. And so you really have to know Drew is there to even catch her. But again, we’ll have um we’ll have a screenshot in our episode gallery if you guys aren’t familiar with this one. Yeah. Okay. Next up, we have Motorama. It was released in 1993. But it was filmed in late 90, early 91. So Drew’s quite young in it. And she plays fantasy girl. And not for the last time is she playing fantasy girl. Um, so Drew literally is playing like a girl in this kid’s dream and she is on a beach and she’s wearing like a bikini in LA and she’s just calling out to the main character in his dream about Motorama, this game that he’s trying to win. You did it. You won. Come on in. Come on in. Gus, you won. You did it. Gus, what’s that? You haven’t won yet. Oh my god, it’s so good. That always gets stuck in my head. You haven’t won yet. I didn’t remember the the rest of it at all. So, it’s it’s also fun to revisit that little blip. Totally. But the so like why is she in this weird movie? It’s full of cameos this movie. It’s like hilarious. Um but it was produced by Donald P. Borchers who had done Far From Home a couple years before this and then he also did doppelganger. So I think he was just kind of like you know trying to give Drew some work at this time in her life and she was gladly taking it as she was trying to get her career back on track. Yeah. Perfect fantasy girl. Yeah. Okay. Okay, so another weird one, guys. Uh, Waxwork Two, Lost in Time. What is Waxwork One? No idea. Um, so it’s from 1992, and Drew plays vampire victim. Again, no name. Um, Drew appeared in a very short scene with her friend Hadria Lawdner, who wasn’t an actress, but came along, which is so funny. Like, she just tagged bring a friend along. Yeah. Um, her friend Brent Bolthouse also appeared in the film apparently. It was so random. Never seen the whole thing of you. Uh, no. I have the VHS tape. Me, too. Maybe I’ve watched it. I’m not sure. Uh, Drew has no dialogue in this either. Um, and it’s said that she was called kind of last minute by the director to come film in a mall at midnight. So, they just like needed someone to fill in. She looks gorgeous. It’s black and white. I She’s beautiful. She’s like a Nosferatu victim and it looks like, you know, old timey movie black and white. Um, do you think she’s wearing a wig? Oh. She’s too much hair, I feel like. But I don’t know. I don’t know either. Maybe they didn’t have a budget for a wig. So maybe not. Probably not. If they’re literally filming it like they set up in a mall like this bedroom, but also like her hair looks kind of like curled. Like who knows? I don’t know. I can’t tell you. We’re lucky we know anything about this. The only reason we do is because when Gayle King came on her show a couple years ago and was doing behind the scenes but for Drew, she picked like some really random movies and I was like, “Yes, Gayle.” And this was one of them. So that’s how we know anything. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Uh we’ve mentioned this one a couple of times recently because this was a very new discovery for us and this is just a voice cameo. Um it’s a documentary about abortion called Roots of Roe. It was released in 93 and apparently it was kind of like repackaged and released again in late 96 or early 97. I just found something about that. It’s kind of weird. Okay, but um all that we get from Drew is that she reads a portion of a letter that like a real letter that was written to Margaret Sanger who is the founder of Planned Parenthood. Dear Mrs. Sanger, I am afraid I am pregnant again. If I was sure, I would commit suicide. very random. There’s a couple other I think like Sharon Stone and Brooke Shields also do voices. So, I don’t know how this happened, why, but it’s a it’s got to be included. Yep. And it’s a first of a couple voice cameos we’ll go over. So, we’re kind of covering that as well. Um here’s a little bit bigger one. We’ve definitely talked about this world this before. So, Wayne’s World 2 released in 1993. Drew plays Bjergen Kjergen. Um we just raved about this because we did the 1993 year in review. So, you can hear us talk about it there, but we’ll tell some details here. Let’s listen to the scene. Hi. Um, we’re here to see handsome Dan. My name is Wayne Campbell. Yeah, I know. We’ve been expecting you, Van Campbell. I am Bjergen Kjergen. Wow, I love your accent. Where are you from? I’m from Sweden. Oh, really? Whereabouts in Sweden? Knuergen near the Bjorgen Fjords. It’s so cute. It’s so cute. It’s like really adorable. She just looks so dreamy. Might as well be called Fantasy Girl in this one. Right. No, I’m just kidding. She looks Yeah, really. And she’s just this like receptionist at a radio station that Wayne and Gar are going to. And not the last time she’ll do a receptionist cameo either. So stay tuned. Take this next fact because I love the fact that I asked you a question about this and like you’re like kind of like assumed and then you were able to confirm it, right? Yeah. So we talked about this before, but just in case you guys didn’t hear. So Anne just like randomly one day was like why was she in Wayne’s world too and I was like I don’t really know maybe the DVD will hold the answer and it did. So I like put it on like that day like as soon as I got home and there’s a little featurette where Lorne Michaels says it was his idea to include her because he was a really big fan of her but he didn’t know if they could get her which is just like we’re we crack up at that idea. She loves SNL. She wasn’t in the peak of her career or anything, right? And then he just kind of credits that Mike Myers and his wife Robin like worked their magic to make it happen. So, we were laughing like they picked up the phone and made one of those charming calls that Drew always makes. Yeah. Yeah. So cool. We I love knowing this because Yeah. When my partner asked me why she was in it, I was like because she’s famous. Like I was like because she’s Drew Barrymore and like it made sense. But also like like you said, she wasn’t like at a peak of her career. Like it is a cameo. I was hearing more. But she was very much like a sex symbol at this time. And I think like you know she’s supposed to be super hot in this role and she is like I’ve mentioned before I see a lot of comments that this was like a sexual awakening for a lot of people. Like she was so hot in this part, you know? So it’s so funny. Yeah. It’s great. Um, one more little tidbit to note about this is that in 2023, Drew played a character with the same name in the Ew, how do they do it? Yeah. Yeah. In the Ew! skit on the Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon. Um, it’s really silly. Like, it doesn’t seem at all like the character. She’s just doing like a vaguely Swedish accent with that name. Um, if you haven’t seen that that skit of Jimmy like playing a teenage girl with braces and a blonde wig, you have to. It’s really funny. Yeah, we’ll link to this exact one. I remember when I first watched it, I was like, did he call her Bjergen Kjergen? But he like doesn’t pronounce it right, but if you turn on the subtitles, it actually say it. Yeah. So, so that’s just fun. We probably talked about this when it happened cuz I I cuz I remember us talking about I’m like, “Oh, 2023. We had the pod by then.” A good little Easter egg. Yeah. Okay, so next we have, and we also talked about this recently, the very strange independent, mildly released movie Inside the Gold Mine. So Drew plays a character named Daisy. She’s in a very short scene and she’s basically just like um it almost sounds like she’s in a cult and she’s trying to get the main character to like join up. like she meets him at a flea market and she’s like talking up. Oh no, you should come to our meetings or whatever. This is uh Daisy. Daisy. This is Emily. Emily Daisy, what were you just We should both come down. I mean, really, it would be great for both of you. Tell her about it. You just seem like you’re so much pain inside of you. What is it? It’s it’s a place and it’s just you it cleanses everything about you and you learn all these things and we do activities and you know, feel great. Daisy, call your dad. You’re in a cult. Yeah, exactly. Also, the name Daisy, how could that not be like she gave it to herself or a friend of hers gave it to her? Like, I mean, she’s wearing her own clothes. It This feels very improvised. Like, it’s almost like they’re like, “Hey, will you come in and you can do whatever you want at this?” Totally. I bet we could find this location, too, cuz of the way I’ve been very interested. It gives like such an LA look, right? Like, you just feel like I’ve driven past this or something. So much so. So much so. So, we don’t know like why she did this. Um, the only connection I could ever find was that the writer director was also at the premiere of the movie Sliver in 1993 where Drew was attending it and that was like probably close to this time and he also went to that with his girlfriend at the time, Natasha Gregson Wagner, who’s also in the film. And I’ve like randomly discovered that Natasha was at a lot of the same events as Drew in the early 90s. So, oh, I don’t know if that means anything, but it’s just like why those are the connections you’ve been able to make. Anything I can get any scrap to make it make sense because it’s supposed to be a horrible movie. I’ve never watched the whole thing. No, I have not either. I don’t think so. Um, part of me was like, do I need to watch all these movies to talk about the cameos? And it’s like, no, we can’t put ourselves through that. Just the 5-second scenes are good. Um, the last little thing to note about this is that she is, like I said, wearing her own shirt and she also wears it in the face magazine shoot. Um, it’s the March 1994 issue that she did with Ellen von Unworth and in the like magazine credits it says like shirt Drew’s own or something like that. We’ve also seen like from Drew’s personal photo archive a really cute picture of her wearing it. So, we love the wardrobe recycles and then when they end up in a movie it’s extra it’s extra cool. Yeah. Why is that in a weird way? I don’t know. It’s just fun. It’s just fun to trace it when like things cross over from her personal life to her professional life. It’s like, hey, that’s her. I have something to say about that in in a little bit, too. Something I feel like was very her own wardrobe. Oh, cool. Okay, so another cameo we’ve got is from 1996 on Bill Nye the Science Guy, the incredible science TV show, which if you’re not familiar with it, like Bill Nye is great. Um, anyway, she’s herself. The episode is called Flowers and she’s got her black hair. Oh my god. Dreamy, dreamy, dreamy. She’s so gorgeous. She’s so gorgeous. And I think it comes through even in the dialogue like it’s really cute. So, let’s uh let’s hear Oh. Oh, hi Drew. Oh, hi Bill. Wow, these flowers are such blur. Um, yeah. Oh, I’m serious. I mean, look at these daisies and sweet Williams their colors just screaming, “Look at me. Play with me. Come get my pollen. Come get my pollen. My intro to this was the clips that they interspersed in Biorhythm and that that’s the part that they showed. Play with me. Come get my pollen. So cute. Like I don’t even know what else we can say about it. I think it’s perfect that it’s the episode on flowers. Yes. I know. It’s so great. Um she looks lovely. Like if nothing else you’re if you’re not coming to the Cameo episode gallery page for anything, at least come see Bill Nye. It’s so cute. We just can’t get enough of the black hair. So true. Um, then a couple years later back on TV, she appeared on the Larry Sanders show in a 1998 episode called Putting the Gay Back in Litigation. It’s a really clever episode title. She plays herself and u basically the premise is the Larry Sanders Show is like a fictional talk show and it’s ending and so they have Drew do this little video for the host and um Jeffrey Tambour is filming it. He’s like the cameraman. And then he starts being really inappropriate and being like, “Okay, now it’s time to like lift up your top. Isn’t that your whole shtick?” Like with Letterman. And she gets pretty mad at him. So, show your tits. What? Well, you know, like you did on on on Letterman, you know, little whoop-doodle. What the [ ] are you talking about?
Cut, cut, cut. Um, I thought that was
like your stick, you know, like I do.
Hey, now.
You’re a pig.
Come on.
And I feel really sorry for you.
again, similar to something else that’s
coming up where she’s like, “What the
[ ] are you talking about?” One other thing I want to say about it is that I think she’s wearing her Otter Pops watch that uh I just read an article from 98 where she’s talking about it and she said that she had been on I think today, like the Today Show, talking about how she loved Otter Pops and then they sent this to her and it was like so meaningful to her. I think she wears it to the Kids Choice Awards in 98, too. That seems like it fits, too. She really liked it at this time. That’s adorable. That’s so adorable. It kind of looks like her own clothes, too, in this in a weird like 98 boring beige way. Totally. I agree. So, next is our second appearance of Drew as Fantasy Girl. Different film, skipped parts from the year 2000. Um, I don’t know what to say about this movie. I don’t really even know like what it was about or anything. That’s weird. Have you never seen it? I think I have, but I don’t remember it. Well, okay. So, it’s basically about like a teenage boy in the 60s, I think, who like decides he wants to have sex and it’s like all about that. But, um, he keeps having these fantasies of Drew, which is a little weird because she’s definitely way too old for him and Right. Um, but the scenes with her are so cute. like her styling the like 60s look is really really cute. Here’s a little clip of that. My mom won’t be home for another 20 minutes. Do you want to do me again? Sam Callahan has a real way with women. I want to have your baby. We all want to have your baby. So awkward. And I just I just love that Drew is fantasy girl again and she like once again has like voluminous blonde hair. Like there’s something so familiar. Yeah. And it’s like in a a young boy’s dream. Yeah. They’re very similar to Motorama. The film was directed by Tamara Davis who’s a good friend of Drew. She had lived with her at one point when she was a teen. Um she had directed Gun Crazy. She did the parts of Bad Girls that weren’t used unfortunately. Um and then she had directed Best Men. She later did an episode of Santa Clarita Diet also, which I totally blanked on. Like I love that. There’s a handful of like directors that she’d worked with before who did episode they brought in. Yeah, I think we’re going to have to get to that one pretty soon. I think so, too. But yeah, makes sense that Drew would do this as a favor for Tamara. And it’s really cute. Yeah, totally. Okay, next up. Freddy Got fingered. And I have a lot to say about this one that I kept like I’m like, “Oh, we’ll get to that. We’ll get to that.” So, this is from 2001. Drew plays Davidson’s receptionist, which uh Davidson is a character played by Anthony Michael Hall, and she works at this like animation studio, and she’s at the front desk just like she is in Wayne’s World, too. So, I think that’s like a fun little through line. Um, it was written and directed by her then partner Tom Green, in case for some reason you don’t know what Freddy Got Fingered is. Oh my god. Going through trying to find her clip. So, I was like scanning other parts of the movie. Yeah, it was a lot. That movie is rough. Yeah. If you don’t know Tom Green’s humor, you might not realize how awkward it probably is. Yeah. But the scene with Drew, so I finally found it. It’s free. The whole movie is free to watch on this website called Plex. I finally found the scene and the one with her is actually really cute. like, you know, he kind of breezes past the front desk cuz he’s trying to get I think like his drawings to this guy and she’s sort of falling down the hall like who are you? And he ends up telling her that that he has to find that guy because that guy’s wife died and she gets very upset and she’s really sad and then he tries to ask her out and then she’s again kind of like Larry Sanders. She’s like, “What the fuck?” Like and gets upset. So I just think it’s cute. You know, I think it’s wonderful when two people love one another and even though there’s always There’s a chance that one of those two people will die a gruesome, horrible death. That doesn’t make me fear love. I’m not afraid of love. Could I be your boyfriend? I love you. Get out of here. No, no, no. I’m just thinking I’m thinking a woman is dead. Linda is dead. I THOUGHT WE COULD GRIEVE together over the DEAD LINDA. OVER THE DEAD WOMAN. OVER THE WOMAN. OVER THE WOMAN. WE [ ] OFF. You’re a SKINNY LOSER. SOMEONE
CALL SECURITY. DON’T CALL THEM.
[ __ ]
Don’t call them. Okay, I got to go.
She’s really cute in it.
And were they They weren’t married yet,
but they were. Yeah.
But yeah, you can see her engagement
ring. It’s
Oh, you can. Okay. Um, anyway, she does
look super cute. And the other thing I
wanted to say about it was that I feel
like her outfit in this feels so doing
promotion for Charlie’s Angels from

Like
I feel like I don’t recognize the exact
outfit maybe, but I’m like, “Oh, this is
totally what she was wearing at this
time.” Like I’m sure these are her own
clothes,
right? If not like something she wore,
whatever. Yeah, that’s great.
Totally. Totally. And the like straight
brown hair that she has at this point is
like so specifically that time too,
right? So it’s easy to it’s easy to
place it.
And there’s really cute behind the
scenes footage of them during the
credits. There’s like two little parts.
Like there’s one that’s like when the
credits are rolling and then after every
credit has gone by, the whole screen
fills up with this last little segment
of them like goofing off in front of the
camera and then kissing. I’m sure I saw
it in the theater because like you said
inside of our files you saw that I had
taken pictures of the movie screen.
Yeah. I’m like going to our folder for
that. I’m like what is this? Like every
picture looks like it’s a movie screen
and I know I didn’t see them theaters
and I have a vague memory that you went
with George.
Yeah, I would have.
Yeah. And that you took pictures of the
screen. You were that person. I mean, I
was I think I did it with other I feel
like I did it with like Confessions of a
Dangerous Mind, too, or something. Um,
which that’s funny. It’s like the same
year.
Yeah.
It feels wrong that I’m doing Scream.
I know.
Um, okay. So, the other voice cameo I
mentioned earlier, Roots of Row, we had
another voice cameo. So, in Scream 5,
which was released in 2022, Drew has a
voice cameo as the school principal. And
it’s very just subtle,
dude.
Right. Let’s hear it.
Attention Panthers. A reminder that all
classes and school activities are
cancelled tomorrow due to public safety
concern.
Oh, sir.
That’s it.
That’s it.
Wow. And you almost can’t even really
tell it’s her.
I’m going to come clean. When I saw it
in theaters, didn’t even walk it at all.
Makes sense. I mean, the music’s so loud
over it, too. Like, it really doesn’t
weirdly sound like her. Um,
it doesn’t. So the the quote that we
have from the executive producer Chad
Villea probably Villea um he said Drew is
the principal making announcements at
the beginning of the movie when the
camera pans down from the tree to find
our new cast at the picnic tables. So
it’s almost like introducing the new
cast. It’s got like her at the
beginning. Um the scene also plays out
right after Tara played by Jenny Ortega
is attacked in the opening sequence just
like Drew’s Casey in the original screen
which is fun. Okay, so I didn’t note
this cuz I just popped into my head. So,
when I first heard that she had a voice
cameo, I thought I knew what it was
because this is like the absolute scream
nerd in me who gets like so pedantic and
dorky about stuff. But
there’s a part of the movie where Jack
Quaid’s character is watching on his
phone Stab, which is the movie within a
movie. And instead of playing the audio
from Stab, which they actually have like
scenes where Heather Graham is playing
Drew’s character, right? They play audio
when Drew’s of Drew,
like when she gets stabbed in the movie.
And I recognized it right away. And I’m
like, that makes no sense. Like, you
wouldn’t be watching that. You would be
watching the movie that exists in the
universe. What? You know,
that’s such a funny Easter egg also.
Like, why would they do that?
It bothers me so much. There’s a lot of
things,
but also you’re like, there’s the cameo.
Like, what the [ __ ]
So, I thought that was the cameo because
I’m like, that is her voice. That’s her
going like,
“Yeah, but yeah.” No, this was the real
cameo.
That’s really funny that they did that.
I think I remember you telling me that
and you were like, “What? Why? It
doesn’t make sense. Like, I don’t
understand. I don’t get it.”
Yeah.
Okay. To wrap up, we also have a handful
of cameos that Drew’s done in recent
years as herself hosting the Drew
Barrymore Show. So, like these
productions kind of keep utilizing it.
Um, we’ll just run through them real
quick. So, the first one is from 2021.
It’s a Netflix movie starring Brook
Shields that’s called A Castle for
Christmas. I briefly watched this clip.
Um, it’s available on Netflix and it’s
Brook Shields character. I think she’s
like an author just going on Drew’s show
quickly to talk about her book. And then
um there is a short film from 2023
called Jackpot that was written by a
former Drew Barry Moore show writer
Christina Keenan and I don’t even know
if this was ever released anywhere but
um they showed like they kind of did a
little promo for it on the Drew
Barrymore show which was really sweet
and it’s just Ross and Drew sitting at
the Drew’s news desk like talking about
something that is shown on TV in the
background so it’s very quick. I
just got to say it’s funny that like all
of these are the Drew Barrymore show.
Like that is who Drew is to like the
Zeitgeist right now is the Drew
Barrymore with the Drew Barrymore show.
Another appearance was on the Sex in the
City sort of like reboot called And Just
Like That in 2023. The character Anthony
played by Mario Cantone is his name.
Yeah. Um he’s on the show for like looks
like a Valentine’s Day like baking
episode. So I I don’t think maybe I
watched it cuz I was watching some of In
Just Like That, but I don’t remember.
Like cringy like I think this like this
guy comes and brings like a platter of
food out and he’s really hunky and
there’s all these like awkward like
sexual innuendos that are like sad. It’s
pretty silly. And I think Ross appears
in it too. I think then they’re like
shown going down the hallways of the
studio or something.
Cool. The final one that we’ve got here
for cameos is Smile 2. I don’t know
anything about it. I know it’s a horror
film.
Um, it was released in 2024 and one of
the characters comes on the Drew Barry
Moore show and is interviewed in the
film. Do you know anything else about
it?
Um, I know she’s playing like a pop
star.
Okay.
And um, yeah. And surprising I mean like
in a fun little thing. It’s Naomi Scott
and she played one of the Charlie’s
Angels in the Elizabeth Banks reboot.
That’s fun. Yeah, that is fun. Um, all
right. So, that wraps up our cameos,
guys.
Blink and you’ll miss them. No, I would
love to hear people’s favorites. I feel
like the favorite is always going to be
Wayne’s World, too. I don’t know why.
That to me is like the cameo.
It kind of is. Like I’m going through
and I’m like what’s I mean my favorite
as far as her look has got to be Bill
Nye
for sure.
Like as far as like I almost want to say
like Enduring Legacy of like cameos like
it feels like Wayne’s World too is like
like Yeah. Very more cameo.
I agree for sure. And I hope that we get
more. I hope we get somewhere she’s not
just on the set of her show playing
herself,
right? Hope we get her acting again. I
mean, that’s what we really want.
Well, you know, it hasn’t come back up
in a really long time, but we do have
this like sneaking suspicion that she
did this movie that Jonah Hill filmed
with Cameron Diaz um like last summer, I
think it was. Do you remember this?
Because the actor Matt Bulmer, I think
is his name. he came on and he’s like,
“Oh yeah, we just filmed this thing
together and you were so great, Drew.”
And like the timing of when Cameron was
filming, like Drew was in LA and she was
with Lana, their shared like hairdresser
and uh so I’m just think that
maybe when that comes out, we’ll find
out that Drew has a cameo in it. But,
you know, TBD
TBD. So, in the meantime, we’ll just
kind of um savor these little bits of
Drew that
truly little bits of Drew. little
tidbits of drill.
All right. Okay. So, thanks you guys.
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How Do You Drew Episode 120 – Seventeen & Vogue, 1993

Please note that this transcription was automatically generated and may contain mistakes.

Hey Drewbies, before we start this
episode, we just wanted to say happy
holidays to all of you. We appreciate
you so much. We are not doing a
traditional Christmas episode this year,
but we do have Drew’s Christmas movies
that we’ve covered in the past that you
could go listen to.
We’ve covered Olive the Other Reindeer on episode
17 and we covered Babes in Toyland for
episode 65. So, we’ve explored the
movies that are kind of outright
Christmas movies. So, we hope you enjoy
Babes in Toyland Christmas movieish.
Santa sort of at the end.
So, yeah, revisit those and um merry
Christmas.
Yeah, merry Christmas, happy holidays,
and happy new year.
[Music]
How do you drew?
How do you drew?
[Applause]
[Music]
Hello and welcome to How Do You Drew?
This is a Drew Barrymore podcast brought
to you by the fans, friends, and
historians behind the DM. We’re drawing
on over 25 years of Drewbie expertise to
dive into all aspects of Drew’s world
from her personal life to her
professional career. Thanks to our
sponsors and friends at Positive Medium.
I’m an
and I’m Ashley. And this week we are
discussing two magazine features from
the year 1993.
Seventeen from May and Vogue from June.
Yes, we love doing these magazine
breakdowns. We love I think there some
of my favorites to do like maybe not
I think the movies end up being like the
best episodes but there’s so much more
work.
Yeah. And I think that the tidbits that
we get out of the magazines are cool or
like how we can make connections and you
can always you always do your like mini
deep dives. So we’ve got lots of little
tiny deep dives in every single one of
these magazine episodes including this
one.
Yeah. Um all right. So let’s get into
the top of the show before we start our
topic for the week. Um, we are starting
with a little tidbit, I guess, here, but
it’s sort of another thing that sort of
like puts a puzzle piece in, right?
It does. And you discovered this one.
It’s a video of Adam Sandler. I can’t
even remember where it was. It was on
Instagram or who he was talking to, but
he just kind of mentions I think they’re
asking him about like his favorite like
‘9s group or something or favorite
album, right? And he says, “Is it Holes
Live Through This?”
Uhhuh.
And so he says he remembers going
to a show of theirs in Missouri and you
found the date. It’s October 26th, 1994.
And he remembers seeing Drew come out on
stage during the show at some point. And
like we know that this would have
happened like a couple, you know, like
we know that she would be on tour with
Hole a lot in ’94.
Yeah, the timeline fits perfectly. Like
we didn’t know she was at this
particular show. We don’t have any
photos of it. Um, and I like cross
referenced Adam was doing like a comedy
show in Missouri that same day. So I was
like, “Yes, that’s satisfying.” Like,
um, but yeah, that’s kind of fun because
that was a few years before she even
started like sort of knocking on his
door like, “Hey, I think we need to work
together.” So, I kind of love that the
universe in such a weird place sort of
brought them together. Like, who even
knows if they talked? It didn’t really
sound like it.
No, it sounded like he was in the crowd.
He spotted her. like he mentions like
she was dating the guitarist at the time
and she just popped out. But I love that
and I love like
I don’t know that just that little like
he could have seen Drew Barry more at
that point in his life and then never
encountered her again.
Yeah.
But it ended up being this huge
relationship like you know. Anyway,
so fun little tidbit. I was very excited
by it. So thanks for finding and
sharing.
Yeah. Um all right. We have a very short
little list here for this week’s Drew
Loves, but let’s get into what she’s
proclaimed her love for recently.
I love love.
Okay. Yeah, very short. And I’m like I
have to credit that to the fact that
she’s barely on the Drew Barrymore show
these days as we’ve mentioned. And I’m
not kidding.
I mean, they should change it to the the
Rossy Ross show or Sunny Anderson show
or Valerie Bertinelli show.
It’s crazy. There was an episode
recently. She did a 30 second intro.
Then some of the other people did the
whole rest of the show and then the end
was like an old clip from like a couple
years ago and that was it. Yeah. Yeah.
It’s wild. We still haven’t gotten any
any answers on that, guys, but we’re
working.
We’re noticing with no answer.
Yeah. All right. But back to the fun
part. Drew loves she loves a workplace
dilemma. Oh, maybe that has something to
do with what’s going on. No, just
kidding. She loves to be convinced.
Okay.
And she loves a candle.
Cute.
She’s a fire starter.
Twisted fire starter. In fact,
you know.
All right. So, should we get into what’s
new with Drew now? Here we go with the
news, everybody. Yeah. We don’t have
much to say, but this is sweet and
great. Um, she is once again an
ambassador for St. Jude’s holiday
fundraising. Um, you know, she’s been
involved with them for years. Like I
feel like there were like hospital
visits and stuff like that that she’
done. But, um, this time around we have
a new photo in her shirt that says,
“This shirt saves lives.” I think they
like fundraised with that. And then
there’s also a new little commercial.
Well, she’s got like very um 2007 hair
going on. Like straight and parted down
the middle, right?
Yeah. It totally has like everybody’s
fine hair, right?
Oh, I was thinking more Yes. But I was
actually thinking more like music and
lyrics promo time.
Yeah.
For a little bit she did that. Yeah. So,
it’s like throwing me off because it
doesn’t look like it’s from now.
It’s It is kind of weird. Um the
commercial is really sweet. Of course,
there are like multiple clips of other
celebrities, but I like I like seeing
something new. I mean, obviously. Yeah,
of course. And then like just to go
along with all that, she also co-hosted
a gratitude celebration event at actress
Marlo Thomas’s house. And Marlo is the
national outreach director for St. Jude.
So, they had like some patients there
and um there’s not a lot of info of what
went on, but uh really nice that she’s
taking the time to do that.
Yeah, very much so. Um very cool. St.
Jude’s doing good work out there.
Yeah, I’ve donated to them. I’m sure I
will again this year because it’s just
like I like to do that in December.
Silly like you could do it at any point,
but you know, they’re like doing the
outreach so it’s like, oh yeah, let me
do that.
Of course, it’s that time of year.
Yeah.
[Music]
Okay, so totally changing gears. Should
we get into some 1993 magazines? Uh,
well, 93 guys was just so delicious that
we didn’t get enough of it last episode
in our year- end review.
I love delicious cuz that’s so true. And
also, I feel like we maybe like
underestimated just how delicious. I
don’t know.
Also, like going through these makes me
realize like, no, I don’t think I
underestimated it. I just always go like
94, 95 in my head.
That’s true. I would agree with that for
sure. Um, but 93 is beautiful. And we
talked about both of these magazines
briefly because their photos are pretty
pretty classic ones for Drew. Um, but
the articles are both very short but
really jam-packed with some fun info.
So, we’re like, you know what? We’ll
just do both of them because they’re
quickies and
just kind of use this as a companion
piece to our last episode.
Yes. And, you know, while you’re
listening to us talk about this, just
pretend you’re like holding the magazine
in your hand.
Do you know what a magazine feels like?
I actually have Hold on.
Oh, you’re next. You have the magazine.
Well, I meant to scan them today and I
didn’t get a chance, but I have the
papers.
Nice.
People, can you hear the magazines?
Yes. Because
I love paper.
Yeah.
Yes.
We love it.
Rubbing it all over ourselves. But I
just I just have to point out like the
physicality of this and that we’re
collectors and like that of course we
have these iconic pieces in our
collection.
Yeah.
I don’t know. It’s just think it’s just
fun because I just go back to like oh my
god when I got this. Not that I remember
the exact moment but like being in the
collection is like such a huge part of
our I don’t know our journey here.
Our Drew experience. I actually do
remember getting the Vogue one. Like I
remember exactly where I was. So yeah
that’s special. That’s so cool. Okay, so
let’s start with um 17 magazine from May

Should I jump in?
Let’s do it. Okay, so the photography
for this issue was done by Matthew
Rolston. This was their third photo
shoot together. It followed um Interview
magazine from 1991 and Entertainment
Weekly in 1982, and there were many more
to follow. Have we covered any of the
things that they’ve done before other
than like briefly kind of do you
remember
like doing a whole episode about one?
Yeah.
I don’t know. And there’s so many that
they did together, but I don’t think we
have. That’s kind of weird.
Yeah. It’s interesting because that name
is so
Oh, we say it a lot,
right? I don’t know. So, I’m sure we’ve
probably covered some. I guess that’s
what I wanted to say is like I’m sure
we’ve mentioned this name a bunch. Yes.
Um, she also attended a couple events
with him this year. So, it seems they
had kind of like maybe a friendship had
formed here. And not surprising, Drew
loves working with the same people over
and over again. And
totally
and there were a couple of photo shoots
for this magazine. So, this happens
sometimes. A cover shoot is done
separately in a studio and then like
So, this is a situation like that.
I can’t I have to say it always kind of
bothers me. I’m such a weirdo. Like I’m
like just make it all be one thing
together,
you know? I think it’s because we like
to organize like visual of the thing
together. So it’s like if the shoot
especially when the shoot is done by a
different photographer like that’s even
weirder. It happens though.
I mean I guess sometimes though it’s
like
I I’m way more annoyed if it’s a if they
use a photo shoot from like an existing
thing totally than I am if they’re doing
two new ones. But either way it’s it is
a confusing thing for us as like
organizers.
Okay. Okay. So, I’ll just get a little
bit into the cover shoot and then we’ll
get into the other one cuz there’s more.
For the cover shoot, the hair was done
by I don’t know if it’s pronounced Cemal
or Kamal, not sure. And then the makeup
was done by Joanne Gair um who also did
the makeup for the guest campaign um the
same year along with some other shoots.
And you reached out to Joanne.
Yeah, I did. She’s super sweet on
Instagram. So, I just asked if she had
any memories from this. But she said,
“During this time period, I worked with
Drew many times. I loved her joyful
energy, kind nature, and
professionalism.”
Yeah,
kind comments corner.
She also said, “For the 17 covers, she
was a delight to work with and a perfect
canvas with her youthful, beautiful,
pale skin. I believe we shot this with
photographer Matthew Rolston.” Yep.
Around the same time we did the guest
campaign in 1993 with photographer Wayne
Maser. I did several looks on her for
this series, which I understand the
photos are now considered iconic.
Additionally, I did several more
editorials of Drew in the 90s all the
way to around 2002. Hope this is
helpful. Thank you, Joanne. And if you
guys want to follow her, her Instagram
is Joan Gar. And is she still currently
doing makeup?
Yeah, it looks like it.
Okay, cool. That’s cool. So, yeah, we
love having the little interactions that
we can like share just a little like
about people. But I love it’s like we
hear this like joyful energy, kind
nature and professionalism. Like her
professionalism in these situations
has been discussed
I know I can’t wait for the day we reach
out to someone and they’re like she was
a horrible bitch!
I don’t want to talk about it. She was
so bad. So terrible.
So far hasn’t happened.
Exactly. All right. So let’s get into
the on location shoot which this is what
we remember more.
Yeah, I think so.
And we’ll get into that a little bit
more. So the for the on for on location
the hair was done by Howard Barr and
makeup by Beth Katz. And the photo the
photos of which there are many were
taken at two different locations in San
Francisco which I’m literally across the
bay from right now. So it’s kind of
cool.
I didn’t even think about that.
And um it was the City Lights bookstore
and Caffe Trieste which you looked up and
they look pretty much the same as they
did in 1993 which I love.
Yes. It’s crazy. I love first of all
that they’re even both still in
operation. super cool. Um, and I found
like pictures of them now where she took
her photos and I mean they even still
have the little postcards on the wall in
the same spot like at the bookstore.
It’s just wild. So maybe you can take a
little trip across the Golden Gate
Bridge. Do a little location scouting
for us. Um, and then I just found that
the musicians that are playing behind
Drew, they’re like a jazz musicians. Um,
it’s a group called the Broun Fellinis
and according to their Instagram, they
were also still going strong as of 2023.
So cool.
San Francisco is just like timeless. I
guess things just never go away.
They’re just like nothing changes and
they’re literally still playing in Cafe
Tree. Like they haven’t left. That’s
what they mean when they say like still
going. No, I’m just kidding. Um, so I
know we talked about a bit about the
photographs in the 1993 episode, but
what can we even say about like I don’t
know. These are really cool. So, it’s
supposed to be, this is kind of the
theme. It’s called Bohemian Rhapsody,
and it says “berets and Burroughs,
cappuccinos and Kerouac. Back in the
50s, the beatnik scene was more brains
than brawn and sleek was chic.”
So, it’s just kind of like I think it’s supposed
to be like
homage poetry and cafe and, you know,
beatniks and all that stuff, which is
it totally comes across.
It totally comes across. She looks like
she’s from another time. Every single I
mean I mean all the pictures that were
printed she’s wearing a different
outfit.
Yeah. Gorgeous. Like I mean the Marilyn
Monroe hair like you can’t that that is
there. Undeniable. Undeniable. Yeah.
Yeah. And all the pictures on the inside
are sepia tone which I think is such a
cool thing. Of course I would love to
see them in color.
Oh god. I never even thought about that
as a possibility. That’s crazy.
Wonder if they were shot in black and
white though cuz
Yeah, probably back in that day, right?
Yeah, probably. I don’t know. I mean,
there I’m sure they were shot on film
1993.
Oh, for sure. Yeah.
And we do have outtakes um from this,
like quite a few actually.
Thank god.
Some really sweet ones. Like I feel like
she looks pretty serious in all of the
ones that were printed. And then there
are some like with kind of like you get
more of a Drew silliness coming through
like
Yeah, that’s so true. What a great
observation. You’re right. cuz she is
laughing or being playful or silly in a
lot of the outtakes, but none of the
ones that they printed, which we talked
about in our last episode. We felt like
they were going for a more like mature
version of her than what was normally in
the press at this time was the bad girl
in the black bra. Right.
Right. I mean, even I even feel like it
I think we talked about this a little
bit, but this doesn’t feel like a 17
magazine shoe cuz it feels so kind of
mature. Like I feel I don’t even know
like pluck almost like plucked out of
Vogue which we’ll get into but it’s more
like a fashion it almost looks like a high
fashion shoot.
Maybe that’s also why these two kind of
go together so well for an episode cuz
they do they kind of like live in the
same space for some way. And the
fact that there are like well I don’t
know if we mentioned but so many of them
were printed as a full page in the
magazine which once again if you guys
can’t appreciate that it’s probably
because you are not paper collectors
but like yeah I’ll say it again
I love paper.
Yeah.
Yes. Especially full pages.
Yes.
Um, and then just the last little note
that we have about um, this photo shoot,
I guess, is that there’s one photo where
she’s sitting on the countertop in the
cafe and that was used as like the fan
reply postcard for some time. And I feel
like we got a copy from Rob, maybe Rob
Brink.
Yeah, I think it did come from him. I
know we have another one from like an
older shoot. So, she would like change
them every once in a while and then I
don’t even Does that exist anymore?
Good question. There used to be a thing,
guys, where you sent fan mail and you
would get this like preprinted signed
card back. Oh my god, the first one I
got in the mail.
I just remember that being so thrilling,
which is so funny to think about.
I know what mine was. Mine was like a
JTT thing. And then I remember also
writing to um Oh my god, now I’m going
to forget the name of the actress who
played the girl he like kissed in uh Tom
and Huck.
Rachel Leigh Cook.
Rachel Leigh Cook. I wrote to her and said
like she was so
like why’d you kiss my man?
I think I was said you’re lo so lucky to
have worked with him and then I got like
a fan reply picture of her too. Anyway,
this was such a thing, guys. And like if
you look in older magazines, you’ll see
like a whole list of like write to your
favorite celebrities.
It’s cool. It was like definitely an a
good little operation they had going
this studio fan mail because like come
on, she’s not going to be able to see
all these letters, but at least you
would get something back.
It was just like a generic thing, but it
was really sweet. And yeah, we’ve got a
handful on the Drewseum’s website. So, it’s a
fun it’s a fun physical media thing. Of
course,
it is. All right. Should we get into
this little article? And I mean little.
It’s a page, but it’s got some really
great little chunks of info that, you
know, we all love.
Yeah.
So, this article was written by Kevin
Koffler,
and the interview was done on a rainy
day inside Drew’s cozy West Hollywood
apartment. and this kind of like we’ve
been working sort of on this
figuring out where she lived in the ’90s
like there early ’90s it’s very
confusing.
Um I think we are to understand she
lived in this apartment and then she
moved to a house when she got the money
from guests is kind of what she said. So
we’re before that.
Mhm.
And this is a very long little excerpt
here at the beginning but it just sets
the scene so beautifully. I felt like we
had to include it. Right. We love these.
So, it starts filled with the smoky haze
of burning jasmine incense, the
flickering flames and dancing shadows of
votive candles, and the soft groovy
sounds of Digable Planets. The room
reflects the renewed sense of
spirituality Drew says she has
experienced since her broken engagement
to actor Jamie Walters. And it
continues, “Set against the far wall,
somewhat a lost among the piles of books
on dream interpretation, stacks of
unread scripts, and a cornucopia of art
and craft supplies, Drew’s enormous
king-size antique bed functions as the
room’s command central. Spun from layers
of feather and foam, the bed creates a
cushion, which Drew says protects her
from the rest of the world.” And she’s
right. Sinking into it is like floating
on a big white fluffy cloud.
I love it. It’s so cute.
I couldn’t help but think of is it
bizarre 96 where she like brings JVM
into the bed and I was just thinking
like oh
my buddy JVM you’re totally right.
Like I pictured it like oh did she
invite him in? That’s where they did the
interview. Like I don’t know.
So cool. Yeah. I had to note like put a
little pin in the dream interpretation
book because that comes up in the next
um article that we’re going to cover
too. I just think that’s a little
crossover. I totally had a dream
interpretation book at one point.
Same. Oh, of course. You could not be a
teenager in the ‘9s without one.
I would not have. Yeah. You put it next
to your amethyst stones. Like, you know,
wake up in the morning. Don’t forget
your dream. Don’t forget your dream.
Hurry, look it up. What’s it mean?
That is okay. So, um, Drew tells a story
of Jamie breaking up with her via the
phone three days before she was to
return to LA from Vancouver after
filming The Amy Fisher Story. We’ve
mentioned this a couple times.
It’s like the third episode in a row,
right? And I’m just like just reading it
like um so we know that um we also know
this, but he moved out of the house by
the time she was back. So like basically
separation really no closure.
Yeah.
She said that the time they spent apart
really took a toll on their
relationship. Like she was working in
different places, so they had a place
together but weren’t really like able to
be together. And Drew described the
breakup. She said, “I’ve never felt pain
like this in my entire life.” And we’ve
described this like we think it’s her
first like major breakup as sort of an
adult, even though she’s still so young.
Yeah.
Um she talked about that they tried to
like date a little bit longer while they
were living apart and it just didn’t
work. Um she says, I think multiple
times that Jamie was like her best
friend that she had and she feels like
like really pained that they’re losing
that and she hopes they’d be friends
again one day,
which didn’t happen. But we know they’ve
encountered each other.
Yeah. I was like, I have to insert this
photo of her running into him in 1999 at
a charity event where she looks like
just totally floored by seeing
Yeah. Like literally hands on her
forehead like what?
Which is like what six years
almost. Yeah. That’s crazy.
Which feels like nothing on one and a
lot on the other. Like so weird.
Yeah.
Okay. So, Drew explains that she’s
working on her spiritual growth and
changing her fashion style. And this is
kind of a fun quote from her. She says,
“I completely dressed in the grunge look
when I was with Jamie. When we broke up,
I burned all my flannels and started to
dress like a girl again. I took out my
old Agnes B suits, bought some new
dresses, and started wearing bell
bottoms with vintage jackets. I think my
look is 40s meets 70s. And since I
rarely go out at night anymore, I dress
up wherever I go.
Love it. A couple things I want to say
like the 40s meets 70s thing. We
actually bring that up when she does
Boys on the Side. Like I think she
referenced that and we were like, “Yes,
that totally makes sense.” Right. So, I
thought that was funny.
I was trying to remember where we
mentioned it cuz I was like, “We’ve
totally mentioned it and we but we’ve
both been like, “Yes,
that’s it.”
Yeah.
Exactly.
I couldn’t really find a lot of evidence
that I felt was like, “Ooh, she was so
grunge when they were together.” Uh,
right.
But you know, maybe in her mind. I also
remember that quote, that thing about
burning the flannels was one of the
trivia questions in that newsletter that
you and I met on.
How funny.
Like the only thing I remember.
I also just like can’t picture her doing
that.
Like I kind of can, but I’m also like
really did you burn them? Um,
maybe it’s metaphorically.
Yeah. Yeah. She talks about kind of
going out because we talked about in the
previous episode that she was more like
homebody at this time and maybe like how
comfy her bed is an indicative to a
thing.
Oh yeah, that’s a I love that point. And
this was like the first time in her life
pretty much that she’d been kind of a
homebody. Like from the time she got
famous it was like let’s go out, let’s
go out, let’s go,
hustle hustle and also party party. Um,
so she says at this point in her life,
she said the only club she likes to go
to these days is Sound Factory in New
York. She says it’s fun because everyone
is in their own world and nobody bothers
me there. It’s a place I can do my own
thing and release about a year’s worth
of tension in six hours of dancing.
So fun. I looked that place up. I think
it closed like two years after this,
which is kind of like, oh, sorry, Drew.
RIP.
Jeez. Um, she says at home her night
life usually consists of reading,
writing, sewing, doing spin art, and
painting with acrylics, which is so
cute. I love it.
I’m also like sewing. Did she really
sew? How much is she doing?
Um, and then there’s another quote here.
She said, “After Jamie left, I lost
every ounce of inspiration I had. I’d
sit in bed with a pen in my hand and
stare at a blank piece of paper before
saying, “Forget it. Recently, it’s
started to come back, so I’ve been on a
creativity binge. I spend two hours
doing things like making clothes. So, I
want to ask I guess how soon after their
breakup was like this done? Yeah.
So, I mean it would have come out in
April and we believe they broke up in
December. So, really soon. Yeah. Very
fresh. Uh I don’t know that image of
her just like staring at a blank journal
page like a made me so sad.
Yeah.
But yeah, it’s still pretty fresh.
Yeah, totally. So, she talks about how
after the successes of Poison Ivy, Gun
Crazy, and the Amy Fischer story, she
feels like she is done playing nymphets.
And she says, quote, “For now, I don’t
want to do anything sexual on screen.
I’m grateful to have the opportunity to
be selective, and I’m going to choose
wisely.”
It’s kind of like, I don’t need to be
doing a Doppelganger anymore.
Yep. Yep.
No more bloody shower scenes for me.
Why not?
What’s wrong with that? Um, so the
article ends with um Drew talking about
trying to decide what to do about her
James tattoo. So Drew had Jamie Walter’s
name as James on her back. She says, “I
haven’t gotten it removed yet. Maybe
finding out he’s got his covered up will
give me the incentive to do it. Not
because I’m following him, but because
that would be a true indication that
it’s time to move on.” My mom is a total
cynic about love, but I never was before
Jamie. Now I understand her a little bit
better.
That’s how the article ends.
And I also I always forget that he has
Drew’s name.
Yeah, we’ve I don’t think we’ve ever
seen it. So very random coincidence. I
was not looking for this, but in the
last few weeks I found an article that
he mentions this. So, he talks about in
the November 94 issue of YM, I guess he
discusses like that his friends told him
like, “Don’t get her name tattooed
across your back. You’re going to regret
it. You’re going to break up.” Well,
they were right. Um, but he says, “I had
it touched up. It’s not exactly gone,
but the specifics have changed. I would
love to see a before and after of this.”
Oh my god. I wonder if there’s anything
out there. Well, we’ve talked about hers
before and after where she said that the
ink just bled, like his name just became
illegible. And we’re not sure if
that’s true because like it was shown on
the Drew Barrymore show a couple years
ago and it did not look like it bled. It
looked like
it was either blacked out or they like
photoshopped his name out for the show,
right? And I feel like we really
couldn’t tell if it had been blacked out
like with Photoshop or blacked out with
tattooing. Right.
Um,
but anyway, them having gotten a name
their names on each other is just like
shows how kind of like intense that was,
right? And they weren’t even together
that long. It was like less than a year,
you know? It’s just, well, but she’s 17.
Like, of course, that’s what you’re
going to do when you think you’re going
to marry this guy,
right? And she’s always just like, well,
it’s the whole
father figure thing. Not that he’s a
father, but just like it, you know,
messes kids up. Kids, it messes people
up in relationships. She’s looking
to quote home fries. That’s the kind of
thing that messes kids up.
Perfect.
Perfect. Ashley, you always got to bring
out the Drew quotes.
They’re in my brain all the time. It’s
all I think about now.
You can even link it. The things the
characters say to Drew’s life. That’s
how embedded it is.
Yeah, true.
All right. So, we will get um into our
next magazine after these messages.
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All right, so let’s get back into our
coverage of these fun 1993 magazines.
And now we’re going to take a look at
Vogue from June 1993. This one is not a
cover feature, but there’s so much Drew
content in it. There even is three or
four guest ads. Do you remember that
they’re in this issue? So, and these
were like this was when they first
started coming out. So, man, what a
magazine to get back then as a fan.
Like I said, I remember like getting in
the mail. I remember being in my room at
my dad’s house and like it’s finally
here
and being so precious about it. But um
Naomi Camel is on the cover and last I
looked I was just kind of like browsing
eBay.
They were expensive like $50 70 for this
issue. Yeah. So good luck guys if you
don’t have it already.
Wow.
Yeah. Crazy.
Kind of wild. So, as we’ve mentioned
many, many times, this photo shoot was
done by Ellen von Unwerth, and this was
their first collaboration together, and
they would go on to do like 10 plus. So,
they worked together a ton. They always
made beautiful images together. They
just have like a special chemistry when
it comes to taking pictures,
you know? It feels like beautiful is an
understatement somehow. Like, it’s We
are obsessed with many of them. We’ve
done an episode. Go look it up.
We’ve done an episode all about their
staff together.
Yes. The hair for this one was done by
Peter Savic and the makeup was done by
Tracy Martin. And these photos were
taken in New York in March 1993 and they
were done at Coney Island and then also
at the Royalton Hotel in NYC. So, it’s
kind of fun because like the last one,
there’s like two different locations
going on. And once I knew that, I could
really start seeing that in the photos
like, “Oh, these are from the Coney
Island batch and these are from the
hotel.” Which is fun,
right? Cuz I hadn’t even actually when I
look at them, I was thinking more I
think we when we mentioned in the last
episode, I was totally just picturing
Coney Island like all the outside and
I’m like, “Oh, yeah.” But I feel like
the ones that are in my mind prominent
from the hotel are out takes.
Interesting. Okay. Cuz I feel like the
more glammed up ones where she’s in like
silky robes and pajamas and also nothing
at all except for some really fun shoes,
those I think are the hotel batch. And
then all the like fun playful outside
ones are obviously Coney Island.
I think the Coney Island ones come to
mind first
and then it’s like oh yeah, the one with
the like her naked in the sofa seat
is like in that too. Like I’m like oh
that like I don’t know. It’s sort of a
It is Anyway, it is fun to identify that
just like it is like with guests with
the guest things like totally here’s
there’s a three different places.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Um anyways, so these are also stunning.
I mean, what did we say about the last
ones? How do we even talk about this?
I know we’ve talked about them so many
times. You guys, we will have we
always say this, but we always have an
episode page on how to.com where you can
see all of the photos that we’re talking
about today. So, go check that out. Um,
yes,
most of these are full page as well.
Yes. Hell yeah. Um, and then the very
first one I was reading the credits.
It’s cute. It’s her like running on the
beach with the seagulls and those were
her own combat boots which she did wear
a lot at this time. So, I thought that
was really neat. I love it. And I also
love that like I was looking closer at
some of the pictures and that one with
the seagulls. I was like, “Oh, it looks
like she’s like cold and wearing the
jacket that she was just like wearing on
set.” And that was just one of the
pictures. Like, uh, I love it. Um
there’s some really be like just
stunning pictures in this. Um actually
weirdly similar to the last ones, a lot
of them are not in color.
Yeah.
And again like sometimes I wonder is it
like if you look at People
magazine from the 80s 90s. They were
always black and white for the most part
and then like it finally switched over.
Like that’s how old timey we are. I
guess that we like were growing up in
the time that magazines are like keep it
black and white. It’s cheaper.
Yeah. So, it’s funny with these like I
feel like it’s very intentional
like anyway. Yeah. I don’t know. I think
one of the ones that’s color where it
looks like she’s sitting on like a
merry-go-round is so vibrant that it’s
almost like shocking
that cuz it’s like got that bold red and
she’s got bright red lips.
Yeah. It is so bright and so saturated.
Yeah. And she has bright red lips in I
guess both of the shoots. The one from
Coney Island and the um hotel in New
York because there also is one color one
from the hotel as well. And it’s so like
dreamy and I feel like that picture she
looks like an old movie star.
Oh, for sure. Yeah, the hotel ones are
definitely giving old, you know, classic
Hollywood vibes just which she pulls off
so well, especially back in this day,
right? and she has like kind of the
Marilyn hair again like she had in the
17 shoot.
Um I will say I feel like some of my
favorite ones from the shoot I sort of
end up like forgetting there from this.
So like the one where we have this
out taken I think I have it printed from
some magazine that’s like her back.
She’s like sitting on the bed and you
can see this beautiful shot of
like I forget that that falls within
this photo shoot.
It feels like a totally different vibe
for sure. I would agree with that. And
the one with her behind the fence like
kissing.
Love.
We love these. And yeah, I think I
wish I could remember like I said
like the exact moment I got them, but I
remember it was one of those like
coveted.
Absolutely
coveted. I will say this is going back
to the Guess ads thing, but I feel
like I remember that like the Guess ads
are printed like on like the front and
back of each other and maybe some of
these are too and that bothered me cuz I
don’t know
because you want to display both of them
somehow. You can. I mean, you can, but
you know, I don’t know. I just remember
that about it. Love paper, but sometimes
you got to deal with what’s on the back
of a page.
You probably wanted to put them on your
wall. Let’s be honest. And it was like,
which one do I pick?
Right. Probably. I don’t I think by
this time I probably wouldn’t have put
like the articles on my wall cuz or like
the feature.
Um anyway, yeah, I don’t think we can do
justice for the visuals of like either
of these. So, do please make sure you go
to our website and check out the episode
page and enjoy them because they’re
gorgeous.
They’re delicious.
Delicious. Exactly. Exactly. Okay. So,
let’s jump into this article. Um, so
this was written by David Handelman. And
I like how you said the beginning is
kind of confusing because it is a weird
way to like start an article.
I probably read it like four times
before I really understood what was
going on.
What’s happening? Right.
Okay. So, the article has a very weird
and confusing opening. I’ve literally
read it like four times to try to
understand what was going on because it
just drops us right in and says that
Drew is being schmoozed at the Russian
TA room in New York City by Broadway
producer Fred Zollo. and he’s apparently
telling her a story about how he and the
like writer director David Mamet and
another director Gregory Mosher were
considering Drew for the lead in what I
understood to be the film adaptation of
their play Oleanna. So just
there you go. That’s what I think
was going on.
Okay.
And they were all apparently like
discussing her age like oh isn’t she a
little isn’t she that little girl from
ET? And one of them said, “No, she’s a
big girl now.” And I just thought that
was like
gross, right? Like just what a way to
say that.
Yeah.
And then like as all this is being told
to her, the author says that Drew quote
weathers all of this with a trooper
smile, she’s had a lot of practice. And
it just like that hit for me too as
like, oh, he’s he was also thinking it
was creepy, but Drew’s like totally
dealt with this forever, so she knows
what to do. And probably once again it’s
like her professionalism is coming out
like she knows how to imagine having to
know how to deal with like
that. I don’t know. She’s got so much grace.
It’s kind of amazing.
And yeah. Anyway, I just like the rest
of the article is so great. I’m like why
did we start with this weird tone here?
Like
I don’t know. It was a choice.
Yeah, totally. Um the author kind of
says that um everyone always asks how
old Drew is because people associate her
with Gertie. So at this time it’s like
it’s closer to like her child’s stardom,
you know, than we can kind of like think
about. It’s sort of wild. Like we’re
we’re just 11 years from ET. So like
I know that feels like a lot, but it’s
like really relatively not. Um so people
think that she’s older than she is
because of what she’s gone through in
her life. We talk about this all the
time. So, the author kind of just like
lists a couple of things. Stardom,
drugs, rehab, the people cover story,
which is about the rehab,
bestselling autobiography, she’s gone
through being an easy punchline, uh, gay
icon,
um, and comeback star like this. So,
she’s gone through all that and she’s
what? She’s just turning 18. Like,
yeah,
it’s a fun list, honestly. Like, I hate
to say the easy punchline is true,
sadly. Like, Because at that time
especially like oh 13year-old on drugs
haha let’s make fun of her right there’s
no sympathy back then and I found the
gay icon part kind of interesting
because I agree but at this time that
feels like interesting that that was
noted you know
yeah totally I mean is it do we think
it’s because of like Poison Ivy her
having kissed Sarah Gilbert Poison Ivy
is that what it was
maybe I didn’t think about that
was it the nudity with other women in
interview like what was it
yeah you’re right I was thinking more
like gay guys love her, but you’re
right. It could be that.
Both. It’s both, right? Um, so just like
one more thing about her age. So she had
just turned 18 earlier in the year and
she just says like it meant she could
buy cigarettes,
which like imagine she’s been smoking
for eight years at this point. Like and
she’s just getting them like without
legally being allowed to buy them.
Crazy,
right? And before that, I’m sure it was
just like nobody would question.
Yeah.
She just turned on that charm.
Exactly. But she kind of explains like
technically she’s been a legal adult
since her emancipation at age 15. So
it’s like weird. Anyway, once again,
like how old is this person?
I also like I’ve tried to understand it
like look up what it means when you’re
emancipated.
Like there’s some things you can do, but
like you still can’t do other things
like buy cigarettes. Right.
Right.
Um she says that she celebrated her
birthday by playing mini golf with
friends. So, we kind of went into this
again the last episode, but like lowkey,
keeping it personal, private, simple,
friends. Yeah.
Yeah. Totally.
Okay. So, we get the usual, as we always
do, backstory about her childhood. You
know, there is a very brief mention of
her working at a video store to quote
experience what I thought was a normal
life. And I was like, oh, that’s
familiar. So, I went and looked and in
Little Girl Loss, she mentions this as
well. She says it was around age 12. And
I remember we were both just like, what?
What? Yeah. And she had to work there
because Jaid wanted her to earn her own
spending money and
she didn’t earn any of that other money.
Yeah. All the money you guys are living
on, Drew did earn. So, okay.
Yeah. Okay.
And then the article also mentions Jade
taking her to quote the exclusive club
Helena’s to party with Jack and
Angelica. And that was fun to see
because that was the unnamed club in
Little Girl Loss that we IDed like that
I figured out was that place. So I was
like, “Yep, okay, I was right.”
Yep. Check, check.
Yep. And then it finishes with saying
while recovering, she lived variously
with boyfriends, which
puke cuz she’s like 14 or 15 years old.
What the hell are we talking about?
And other adults, including rehab singer
David Crosby and his wife. And then it
says and former groupie Pamela Des Barres.
And I don’t think that’s there a shred
of like truth to that. I’ve like because
I remember Drew at one point was like
rumored to maybe be playing her in a
movie about her life and like it didn’t
sound like they knew each other at all,
but like Pamela was like she’s the new
age of groupies, you know, was like when
she was
following Hole around as we mentioned.
Yeah. So this is dropped in there as if
that’s
where that came from. Yeah, it’s so
weird.
That is so interesting. Okay, so then we
are on the day of the shoot cold and on
the beach. So this is like you see it in
the pictures. I think I was mentioning
she’s like wearing a jacket in the one
with the seagulls.
Yeah.
In the article it says though her teeth
chatter and her luminous skin starts to
turn blue, she never once complains. In
fact, she’s exceedingly polite, ardently
thanking everyone who helps her or pays
her a compliment. And when she tosses
some pieces of bagels at the
birds, she seems genuinely shocked when
they immediately swarm around her.
“Wow,” she says with a beating smile.
“They’re all coming. They don’t do this
in LA.”
I love that paragraph. Like, of course,
of course, she’s not complaining. She’s
professional. She’s polite. She’s sweet.
And of course, Drew is the person that
appreciates seagulls. Like, I’m always
like, “Ah, they’re going to STEAL MY
FOOD.
WHY ARE THEY SWARMING?” She’s like,
“Please swarm.” It’s just so funny.
So cute.
That’s our girl, her perching birdies.
Yeah, totally.
So, there’s brief talk about her time
where she was snubbed by Hollywood. She
says, “People wouldn’t touch me. They
just thought I was some loser drug
addict. I thought I would never work
again. Believe me, going from being the
most famous child in the world to doing
an afterschool special is kind of a
bummer.”
which like I like that she talks about
that because I don’t feel like
she really ever has touched on you know
you the after school special of
course is 15 and getting straight and
she briefly mentions it in little girl
Los but not as like wow this look how
far I’ve come
look at the like juxtaposition of like
that’s pretty and here’s like this girl
in whatever in fake rehab but real rehab
post-real rehab
fake rehab post rehab at the real
in THE REAL REHAB
SO, it mentions how instead of going
down the like classic bad path for child
stars, Drew instead sobered up,
rededicated herself, and reinvented
herself, eventually landing Poison Ivy
and Gun Crazy. And yeah, she did
reinvent herself. Yes, she was only 16,
17, but she reinvented herself as a sex
symbol because she knew that was the way
to get away from the child. Yeah, she
was right.
So, it says that a week before filming
Gun Crazy, she cut her hair. I’ll tell
we’ll talk about this, but we think that
might be an exaggeration that it was a
week before.
Yeah. Based on another quote we have
later on and also like I just think that
that’s an exaggeration.
Right. Exactly. So anyway, it says she
um it says 16-year-old Drew and her
roommate saw the movie 21 and were so
charmed by Patsy Kensit’s look that they
cut off all their hair. And it says um
Tamra Davis, who was the director, she
said, “The producers freaked out. But I
thought it was great. A stroke of
genius. It was so messed up looking,
this dorky looking haircut. It was
perfect for the character.”
Which makes sense because the girl she
plays in Gun Crazy is like an outcast.
She’s not sexy and cool. like she’s
she’s quote unquote bad girl because
she’s like wrong side of the tracks and
she’s promiscuous but it’s because she’s
been abused and like yeah she’s not the
she’s not like Ivy for sure
she they had to like it’s actually
almost weird to like think that the girl
who played Ivy and I don’t remember her
name and Gun crazy
Anita
Anita so like that those are the same
person and within that short amount of
time like
months apart
right it’s amazing
but can you imagine Gun crazy with her
like Poison Ivy hair?
No, she did the right thing. So,
she spoke about that in MovieLine 1992,
which we have an episode about. It’s a
really, really juicy article, the
juiciest article we’ve ever done if you
guys really want some dirt. Um, but she
says in that when I was getting ready
for my second audition on Gun Crazy,
which I believe that makes a little more
sense to me,
she says in which the girl is going to
find cool because she’s so uncool. I
thought, “What if I’m just sexy with all
this hair and what if the producers
think I can’t do the role because I have
long hair?” So, I took scissors and cut
it all off.
It’s also like her saying it that way,
like she would dare to risk it is also
like what was the real decision like?
It’s kind of wild.
It’s pretty fun though.
Yeah, it is. It is very fun. So, she
debuted the short hair at the premiere
of My Own Private Idaho on October 11th
of 1991. And we believe that Gun Crazy
was filmed sometime in November. So
yeah. So it makes a little more sense. I
don’t think like she’d be about to go in
front of the cameras and be like
surprise.
Right. Right.
Yeah. Exactly. So we get into Drew’s
usual self-deprecating talk about not
thinking that she’s a good actress and
how she’ll never talk about like quote
unquote craft or like motivation in the
way that somebody who’s like very um
what do they call that? Method acting.
Yeah. So, she says, “I just have a good
ability at adapting characters and
becoming them. I appreciate technical
actors, but I’m different. I want to
have a personal, emotional, physical
freedom, never hold back.” It is funny
how she’s always kind of talked about
like method, but then I feel like when
she did like riding Cars with Boys, she
almost kind of did method.
I would say that and Gray Gardens are the
exception. But other than that, I mean,
even as recently as the last few years,
I’ve heard her say on her show like,
“Oh, I’m I don’t think I’m a good
actress. like I just know how to become
other people. Which is kind of funny.
It’s like well
that is the that is the task.
It’s almost like how she doesn’t want to
put the label of sober on herself. It’s
like it comes with a heavier connotation
than just being like, “Oh, I just know
how to play characters.”
All right. I love this part. I love this
little collection of tidbits.
Oh my gosh. Yeah. This is what it’s all
about. The tidbits galore. And the
author just starts running them down.
And this is
Why do I love it so much?
I don’t know. Oh, I always have, you
know, just occurred to me. I almost
could trace it to the old Drew fan sites
that Missy Munday ran. She had something
called the kooky facts jar.
Yes.
You remember this? And you would click
and it’ be a picture of Drew with one
little fact and then you’d click and it
changed to a new one. And I almost
wonder if that’s like where this comes
from for me.
So deeply ingrained that we’re like
lists of little facts. Anyway, talk
about our website again. We’ve got a
Drew details section of the Drewseum where
we’ve got just like lists of facts.
Yep. And it was totally inspired by the
kooky facts and yeah, we call it Drew
Details and it’s just a huge list of
these kinds of fun things. So, let’s
talk about what is mentioned in this
article. So, she claims to be anemic,
claustrophobic, and insomniac. And we
like the sleep thing has always been an
issue for her.
Yep. She hates regret, but later on she
apparently says she regrets having
pierced each ear with four holes.
Um, she thought her BMW was too prissy
and now she loves her prized possession,
her Bronco, which of course we’ve talked
about last episode as well.
Yep.
She owns a 357 Magnum gun. And that
might feel a little weird to you guys,
but in details 1993, she says it was a
gift from Jamie. So, I think
it’s weird still. Like, I’m like, what?
It is still weird. I think it’s one of
those Jamie like remnants. I, you know,
I think that cross necklace you wore all
the time in ’92 was from him. I think
these were like things that were like,
“Oh, Jamie gave this to me.” And then
like he’s gone and eventually those
things are gone.
Those things faded away as well.
Burn the gun with the flannel.
I feel like it’s like a very like I had
a very like I forgot. I think
I’ve probably read it multiple times and
been like, “Whoa, it just seems very
weird for her.”
Yep.
She talks about the mixing of styles of
1940s and 1970s with thrift store finds.
And she says that she likes to wear this
Dolce & Gabbana quote unquote happy hat
and platform shoes. Um, you pulled a
picture of a hat that she wore. This is
something that she wore like multiple
times. That maybe is the one, right? Is
that a beret?
Yeah, it’s the only one I could think.
Well, I think it’s actually a little bit
more like a news boy cap cuz I searched
Dolce and Gabbana hats from that time.
And I think she’s just wearing it
backwards.
Backwards.
Yeah. Which is kind of fun.
She says her idea of fun is playing
pinball at 7-Eleven. And she said she
once ran into the director John
Singleton playing pinball,
which is so weird because as we
mentioned in our last episode, this same
year, 93, they like share a cover of a
magazine called Dirt where Drew’s face
is the top half and his face is the
bottom half. It’s like kind of funny.
Maybe they decided when they met each
other.
They’re like, “Hey, do you know Spike
Jones?” Me, too. Let’s do this weird
cover together. Do you want to be the
bottom half? I’ll be the top half. I
don’t know. Sounds good.
And then she says that she’s
superstitious and mentions over the
course of a few days that she had wished
on a planet, visited a psychic,
monitored her mood ring, and consulted
her Dreamology book.
Oh, there’s that book we were talking
about. And here’s the like little kind
of tidbit about like looking up a dream.
She said that she had looked up a dream
about pizza with sour cream and peas and
found out that peas indicated good luck.
And soon after she booked the guest
campaign. She’s psychic.
Psychic pea seer.
Have your peas on your pizza and then
star in guest jeans.
[Laughter]
Okay. And then um she said that her few
wrinkles make her make her worried that
she’ll age as fast as her dad, which
it’s just like what? You have such a
baby face.
First of all, what wrinkles?
Yes. And in 93.
And second of all, her dad like, come
on, girl. You’re okay. But then we love
when she mentions her dad because it
always results in some kind of like
amazingly fun
exploration of that relationship.
Y
So she says, “It’s strange because I see
a lot of similarities between us and I
usually groove hard on the type of free
spirit he is. Someone who travels around
with a duffel bag, rides a bicycle, and
doesn’t wear shoes because he believes
it’s not right. But he’s also tormented
and up. Doesn’t have his life
together and never wants to get it
together. And I can’t stand quitters. He
had an amazing career ahead of him and
it all away on drugs. Maybe I
did too, but I realized it and learned
from my mistakes.
O
O is right.
So many It like sums it all up right
there.
It does. Um she doesn’t really elaborate
on it, but she says that she says that
her and her mom don’t really speak and
that it’s probably just a phase,
which as we all know, nope.
That phase, they’re still in it.
I know. Like the only little
interruption of that phase was when she
was with Tom Green and briefly they
reconciled but other than that like from
as far as we know like 90 late 92 on her
and Jade were no longer speaking.
Yep.
So the article ends with Drew talking
about how she loves to visit her family
stars on the Walk of Fame, which it’s
neat to think like she was still 10 plus
years away from getting her own. So
she’s just like, “Oh, my family’s here.”
And she talks about how she always
kisses her grandfather’s profile in the
cement outside the Chinese theater,
which is so sweet and also so gross when
you think about all the
I was gonna say, I hope I hope every
time she wiped it off beforehand, but
it’s literally on the ground.
Kiss her hand and then put that on the
ground. That I could deal with.
All right.
But she says, “It has nothing to do with
being star struck. It’s kind of pathetic.
It’s the only link I have to them
because I want to have a family. I’m
sure I won’t feel I have one until I
have my own.
So, I know. And then she continues,
“When I was younger, I felt, how can I
live up to my family? I’m Hollywood
royalty. Me, a kid who eats macaroni and
cheese.
It made me nervous. I never wanted to
let them down, have people say, “God,
this acting dynasty, what the hell
happened to their granddaughter?” But I
finally decided, God is not going to
come down and punish me if I don’t do
them justice. I can only try. And that’s
where we end. It’s kind of interesting,
too. I don’t feel like she ever
really talks about the pressure of being
from this grand acting family,
you know, like she always embraced it,
which is awesome. But yeah, there is
like people looking at you like, “Oh,
are you going to be the next big amazing
actress?” You know,
right. Okay. Yeah. So, it ends that way,
which again is like it’s hopeful. We
like when she’s thinking in this way.
Um, there was a letter to the editor
that was printed in a later issue and it
said, “Thanks for the article on Drew
Barrymore. She’s a wonderful actress in
person. She seems like the sweetest
woman on earth and I give her much
credit for her four years of sobriety.”
That’s so sweet.
That’s nice.
So sweet.
So sweet.
Another little piece for the kind
comments corner.
Yeah.
Yeah. I liked this little I mean, we
love an excuse to go through these. I
think I like doing the articles because
that it’s like I think I already said
it, but like it gives us an excuse to
like go into some of the little details.
Yeah. And there’s always things that I
forgot. Even as many times as I’ve read
some of these, especially the ones from
the ‘9s, I always come away going like,
“Oh, whoa, I forgot about that little
thing.”
I mean, I guess also I realize it’s like
one of the only times we get her voice.
Yeah. Yeah,
cuz it’s that and it’s like interviews
on shows which we haven’t really jumped
into much in our podcast. But that’s why
it’s so fun. We get to like explore her
as a person and not as the
uh things she’s pretending to be,
right? Especially the ones that like are
in her normal life. Those are our
favorites when they’re like at her house
or they’re hanging out at a restaurant
together or she’s opening up her purse
and showing them all the contents. Like
right, you know, we love Drew the
actress, but we love Drew the person
even more. this kid who eats macaroni
and cheese.
Yeah. It’s like I love that. I love
that. Like she still is that kid eating
macaroni and cheese.
She’s still that kid.
She’s probably, you know, like one of
the reasons she is so playful and fun is
I feel like she still is that little
girl, but also she had to be an adult so
early that she like taps into that kid
and lives her childhood.
That’s why her age never makes sense,
right? Because she’s also five. She
never got to be five or six years old.
Too much stress on her. Too much career.
Too much earning the money for family
household.
You got to learn how to earn your own
money.
Um, what?
What have I been doing since the 80s,
Mom?
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How Do You Drew Episode 119 – Year in Review: 1993

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I’m an
and I’m Ashley
And this week we will be
discussing the year 1993 in Drew
Barrymore’s life and career
This is a fun one
Oo, we love 93 Drew
Yes, we do
And we’ve got some stuff at
the top, guys
So, let’s get into this
So, let’s start with a little oopsy
daisy
But the facts just came out to
us, guys
This is very This is a very
weird oopsy daisy, I got to say
It’s also a cosmic coincidence, I would
say
Yes, totally
So, the day before our
last episode aired,
which was about Drew’s romantic
relationship history, we had very
briefly touched on Rodney Harvey and we
said we had reason to believe that he
was involved with her romantically in
1989 based on what we’d uncovered doing
Little Girl Lost
So the day
before that episode comes out, Billy Bob
Thornton goes on the Drew Barrymore show
again and he was his first appearance on
Drew’s show was one of our reasons for
thinking Rodney and her were involved
So he once again told the story about
first meeting Drew on the set of the TV
show The Outsiders
because she was there visiting Rodney on
the set
And he was like
both times tiptoeing around it a little
bit, right
like, “Is it okay if I say
who you were visiting
And he’s
like, “Well, you you were dating him
“
And then he says, “Rodney Harvey
” And
she’s like, “Oh
” And she had a big
reaction like, “Oh, you know, cuz he’s
passed away
” And then she said, “No, we
were actually just friends
” And he’s
and Billy Bob’s like surprised
And he’s
like, “What
” Uh, like he’s almost gonna
argue with her
and he says something about like
something that happened at a party and
then she just said, “No, he was actually
dating my friend
” And he also said
like, “Well, he definitely wanted to be
with you
So, okay
I don’t This is almost like a
correction for our Patreon because we
pretty much identified Rodney as
somebody in the book and now I’m
thinking that could be incorrect
And it does sort of track with one
of the National Enquirer articles that
Rodney was actually dating Ellie Keats,
who was Drew’s friend and roommate at
the time in 1989
So, we don’t know
And
I I like how on the show Drew is like,
“Boys are so confusing
” Like as if as
she’s like, “I didn’t know he liked me
“
Something like that
But I also feel
like, okay, maybe it is true that he
dated Ellie Keats, but maybe it’s also
true that they did and she’s just like,
that’s true
Billy Bob seemed to have a
very clear idea of something that had
happened, which would make it seem like
they weren’t just
like, well, he wanted to be with you
I
gotta say, um,
he’s like, I saw you making out
No, I’m
just kidding
I do find it so interesting that this
has come up both times
like both times he’s been on and
and you’re right in the same kind of
like should I say who it is
Um yeah, so there’s a little oopsy daisy
but we’re
put an asterisk by Rodney’s name and you
know that’s probably all we’ll ever know
because Drew apparently does not think
they dated
So that changes literally
the episode we just released
God damn it, Drew
No, just kidding
How dare you
How dare you have facts
about in your brain about you that we
don’t have
what a weird what a weird like life that
we live that this is like
we’re like hot facts about 1989 and like
hot hot tips the tea about 1989 is 89
All right
So I guess we can move on to
things that Drew loved
She might have
loved Rodney
No, I’m just kidding
Let’s uh let’s hear what
Drew’s proclaimed her love for this this
uh past week
I love love
All right
Drew loves burgers
She loves when people are pulled
She always wants to know what the people
have to say, you know
She loves tartar sauce
Biscuits and gravy
The red, yellow, green flag game that
they see when they play that
Yeah, that
is a fun one
She loves chili oil
A Douglas
her little doggy
She loves storytelling
payoffs
I like that one
She loves a state fair
Theme parks
An ottoman
Apple juice
Rosemary
I love rosemary
And then,
similar to chili oil, she also loves
chili crisp
Should we go see what’s in
the mail
You’ve got mail
Yeah, we have some cool ones
We have a
new review on Apple Podcast
And before
we get to that, we’re going to mention
this
So, the film history podcast,
Verbal Diorama
Um I listened to her Donnie
Darko episode
So, it’s this um woman
named M
She’s from the UK and she is so
like I want to just like mention this
real quick
She’s so like clean and
snappy and like gives you this
information and she’s like telling you
everything
Boom boom boom
And it’s
really easy to follow and it’s fun to
listen to cuz normally I like um a
two person podcast
And she just
like gives you the info in such a great
way and her voice is so lovely
So shout
out to M for being great and her Donnie
Darko episode was so good
But she does a recommendation
in her newsletter for podcast of the
week and she chose us
A that’s so cool
Okay, so she said for her
podcast of the week, she said, “This is
where I recommend a podcast I’ve
listened to this week and an episode you
might enjoy
Speaking of legends, Drew
Barrymore is one of the Hollywood’s most
beloved of all legends and I’m a huge
fan of quote my girl Drew unquote
“
Slightly bigger fans of Drew are Ann and
Ashley
So much so they have a whole
podcast dedicated to Drew Barrymore
How
do you Drew
They
also have a kick-ass podcast episode on
one of my personal favorites, Charlie’s
Angels 2000, which is celebrating its
25th anniversary this year
She said,
“Anne and Ashley also run the Drew, the
internet’s longest running Drew
Barrymore fan site
They have over 25
years of Drewbie expertise, and they’ve
even met the delightful Miss Barrymore
in person
” That’s some serious
credentials for any podcast
I like that
little line
Yeah, me too
And then this this fun little end
She
said, “If you want something new and you
too love Drew, this podcast and its crew
is for you
” It’s true
like like new jingle
Do we need like
this podcast
for you
That was That was terrible
Thank you so much
Verbal diorama
Go
check them out
Thank you, M
That was really sweet
We
We love a little shout out and a
recognition of the work that was done
Like that’s really Thank you
And then, as I mentioned, we also
have a new Apple podcast review
Thank
you so much
This is from Staceface
McGee
Could be my friend Stacy from
Blockbuster Wives
I have a feeling
Uh
the title is best Drew podcast there is
And Staceface writes, “These drewbies
really know their stuff and pour hours
of research into every episode
Plus,
they are also so hilarious and fun
“
Thank you, Staceace McGee
And we love an Apple podcast review
So,
yes, we do
We were way overdue
This is your cue for a review
M, look what you started
You have turned us into rhyming
monsters
There’s a verbal diorama
happening over here
Okay, so um let’s go back in time for
this week in Drew history
Okay, you know I love talking about
these awards in December 5th, 1987
in a sequence of years that Drew
attended the youth and film awards
And
I just find these like endlessly
fascinating
There’s just something
about 80s child stars that is just
it’s crazy
And like the people that
like they’re all people we recognize and
know even today
I was they still do
these awards
Did you know that
No, I was just going to say like I
wonder if this is still a thing
Yeah, they’ve rebranded but I was
looking at like the last one that had a
list of all the like nominees and I
literally didn’t know a single name
So, it’s not what it was and that’s
probably good
Child stardom is not a
positive thing
I think there’s just so
much content that it’s hard to have like
stars as big as there were at a certain
time, right
Like this is Yeah
the 80s
pinnacle
So, these were held at the
Hollywood Palladium and they were hosted
by Chad Allen and Patrick Dempsey, which
I thought was kind of fun because later
on Drew would be such good friends with
his wife Jillian
Yeah, that is funny
Drew was nominated
for best young female superstar in
television for Babes in Toyland because
I guess technically that’s considered
television but she lost to Alyssa Milano
and she was pictured with her peers
there like Wil Wheaton, Corey Haim,
Amanda Peterson
There is a picture of
her with Lala Sloatman and Donovan
Leitch
And I found that interesting
because they were both like from the
Zappa House crew that we just kind of
like found out in the last year that
Drew spent a lot of time there in this
year 87
So I just thought that was very
like validating to see
You’re like, “Oh, this is like
evidence
“
Totally
evidence of this
And I feel like, you know, this is
1987
It’s such an awkward time for her,
but she does look really cute
is like
just very plain black dress but like
kind of adult
Yeah, she’s definitely trying to look a
little like more grown up
She’s got her
little string of pearls
She still have her braces
It’s hard to
tell, but yeah, it is so fun
And also
that she was nominated for Babes in Toy
Land is so I know that movie
that’s comical, right
Just if you guys haven’t seen it,
Christmas is coming
Give yourself a
little gift and watch Babes in Toy Land
And then come back and listen to our
episode laughing about it
I think what
she told when Keanu Reeves was on, I
think she called it that that
masterpiece, Babes in Toilet
Oh my god
It’s good stuff
So, I guess we can come back to the
present for a minute before we go back
in time again
We’re always jumping around
Let’s talk about what’s new with
Drew
Here we go with the news, everybody
Okay, so we have a new MSC Cruise Line
commercial coming because Drew was
spotted filming one with Orlando Bloom
actually on the ship in the Bahamas
Um,
so maybe another Super Bowl ad
Like the
timing could work out for that
That
would be a good guess
Um,
I bet you’re right
We’ll see what that’s like
And then the only other thing is that
Hollywood Squares has an official
premiere date for season 2 and that will
be on January 7th, 2026
Looking forward to that
We’ve really
enjoyed this show
If you guys haven’t
heard us, like love on it
Like really
exciting
I was kind of bummed to see
that they used a promo photo from the
previous season, but
same you know me with like reusing
photos
And of course, we’re excited to see
how cute her outfits are cuz every
season they’ve had such fun with her
fashion
So like
Yeah
Her outfits and her hairstyles are
always different
It’s going to be
really fun
Have we had any like peaks of that
Like
very small
There’s been like maybe a
couple pictures
So, it’s going to
be a lot of new excitement
And I also really liked when they would
do that little speed round where they’d
have a fact about everybody, but we
would I would like collect them all and
we do it
I’m excited to do that again
Yeah, me too
They always had
some fun little like things that even if
they didn’t trip us up, it’s like that’s
a good one for something to trip
somebody else about
Drew,
a non-expert
Like wasn’t one of them like she hates
yoga which
Yeah
All right, so um I guess
we’re ready to go back in time again
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All right, so shall we jump into our
weekly topic of 1993
Ah, this is a good one
Like we’ve I
feel like we’ve definitely done 92, 94,
95, 96
Like we need to get 93 in here
Sometimes that happens, guys
We’re just
like going with our heart on what topic
we we discuss
Which is funny because like most of the
time we do things so like perfectly
chronologically like we want everything
organized just right
But like with the
podcast, no, we’re just like whatever we
feel
Imagine if we had like started
from birth and we were just like going
through chronological
No,
that wouldn’t be nearly as fun
So, if you haven’t listened
to the ones that bookend this, go ahead
and check those out
But, uh, let’s let’s jump in and set the
scene for this year because there are a
couple We like to kind of give like the
this is what she’s going through
This
is how she’s going into the year, right
So, we’re just off of Drew’s like
really big comeback year of 1992 where
she starred in the movie Poison Ivy,
which was released that year, and she
had received a Golden Globe nomination
for Gun Crazy
So, like big stuff
She’s
coming back and she’d been receiving
like quite a bit of media attention
because just a couple years ago, you
know, she released Little Girl Lost
So,
like she’s still on her way up from
that
And it’s kind of crazy
It’s only
like two, three years
Still on her way up from that
also like finally even getting parts
Like for a while it was like get out of
here rehab girl
Like we’re not even
going to consider you
So it’s a big
deal
Like you’re trouble no matter what
But she’s Yeah
She’s getting like
respected again, right
Like people are
recognizing that she’s she’s
not messing around
It’s
the first Renaissance
She’d also just suffered a really
painful breakup from Jamie Walters
Again, we mentioned it in our last
episode
They’d been briefly engaged and
she had just wrapped up shooting the Amy
Fischer story in Vancouver and those
things kind of coincided like he broke
up with her before right before she came
back to LA from that
So she as far as
like that stuff goes she was like in a
lot of pain with that
And um we already mentioned it
Make sure you listen to episode 1992 to
kind of lead up to this moment
Um Drew
had also turned 18 at the beginning of
1993
So officially an adult despite all
the stuff that she’d gone through that
would like make her like 20 years older
than she actually is
And for her 18th birthday, she said she
had celebrated by playing mini golf with
a small group of friends, which I love
that cuz it feels like what she would do
now, you know
Like that it would be
mini golf, but it would be like her
friends like
surrounding herself in people who make
her feel safe
I don’t know
And this is also like I think
that’s a great like symbol of just how
she was really into simple living at
this time like doing simple things
She
was not going out to on the town anymore
cuz even like post-rehab you know she’s
still like being seen at all these clubs
in LA in 1990
Like she’s still doing
that lifestyle and now she’s like
scaling back and staying home
I wonder
if there’s part of her that felt like
she didn’t need to like be at the events
because she’s like I don’t know
Do you
think part of that going to events was
her like making herself visible like I’m
here again
I don’t know
So maybe she’s
like comfortable like I don’t have to
try so hard
I don’t know
But also Yeah
There’s that part of her that just wants
to like
I don’t know settle down
Probably
and she’d been trying to do that
with Jamie Walters, but uh didn’t work
out
So, she moved out of the house that
they shared because they were, you know,
it was too painful for her
And she
moved in with her friend Justine
Baddeley, who is still her good friend to
this day
Um she’s done casting for a
bunch of Flower Films projects
So, they
moved in together to an apartment and
then later into a house that she bought
with the money from guests, which
happens this year
We’ll talk about in a
minute
And we don’t have the details on
that yet, but we might be uncovering
some interesting information about this
house
Yeah,
put a pin in that
So, also kind of uh part of the
little tidbits about this year, Drew
drove a black Bronco with a daisy
sticker on the back of it
And there’s a
fun chapter about this this car and like
a moment with this car in Wildflower
kind of shows her like spunk at that
time
If you haven’t read it,
make sure you check that out or uh
eventually we’ll be going over
Wildflower on uh Patreon
So, we’ll be talking more about that
Bronco one day
I’m excited to do that
And you kind of mentioned this like
slowing down
So, she was like she was
kind of talking about how she was
spending most of her time at home with
her friends and she’s like making art,
cooking dinner, watching Melrose Place
indoor kid
kind of like probably the
first time in her life she was just sort
of being like a normal simple person,
you know,
right
Which probably felt really novel to her
I just can’t help but think it has to do
partly with like maybe the hustle was a
little bit less, you know
I think that’s a great great
observation
Should we get into her look a little bit
because this is a beautiful year
So
Drew had short blonde hair this year
Really short
not pixie short, but like
just past her chin
And she kind of
alternated between having it
straightened and then having it really
curly, like almost into the woo woo
bouncy that we would see the following
year,
right
Um her style kind of ranged between
baggy men’s wear and then also like
these glam sort of dresses with pearls
depending on what sort of event she was
going to
She actually didn’t go to very
many events this year, which is why
we’re doing this
Uh sometimes we do our
year and new reviews like in January she
did this, in February she did this
But
these years where she’s kind of hidden
away, we have to do a little
differently
A little differently
So it’s not like
she did nothing for these months
And
I love the juxtaposition of this like men’s
wear glam
Like it also I feel like
she’s always kind of done that
She
always likes to be
She still does that
You know, it’s like she has these
like extremes that she’s sort of willing
to be part of her public image like
Yeah
She’s a chameleon, right
Well, always
So, I love it
I love I love the
pictures you have in our notes
Just
like seeing the side by side of like
total glam like literally with the
pearls, which I feel like is I don’t
know
So pretty
I love it
So many good like fun looks
too, just candid-wise
And I mean, we’ll get into it, but
like this is the year she filmed Bad
Girls, which to me ranks as her one of
her most beautiful she’s ever looked
So
like she was just stunning this year
Um, and then this the last thing about
what she looked like
She had five
tattoos at this time
This was the final
year without her butterfly on her belly
because we know she got that sometime,
we’re gonna say in early 1994 because
she doesn’t have it in the guest photos,
but she does have it by the time Bad
Girls comes out in ’94,
right
And it’s significant because that
feels like something that’s so probably
because there was so much like burying
her skin like in the coming years that
we really
baring baring the baring Barrymore um
that we really like the butterfly was so
part of her look after
So I
absolutely
and also what five tattoos at the time
and what’s the count now
Oh man, what are we up to
I think
it is 14 because I think she said 14 too
early and then she got her 14th
Typical Drew
In her mind, she already had it maybe
Anyway, let’s get back to 1993
So,
relationships, we we touched on this a
little bit
Our last episode was all
about it, but let’s just touch on it
So, we mentioned that she was like fresh
off this breakup from Jamie Walters,
which when we did our rep episode about
relationships, like this may have been
like the first like real heartbreak that
Drew had
Um, and she stayed single
throughout this whole year, at least
like what we understand in the public
eye
Um,
until Billy Bob Thornton comes on, she
tells something else different that
messes us up
No, just kidding
Just a friend
Um, so then, uh, we also
know that Drew initially met Eric
Erlandson in late 1993, but their
relationship didn’t begin until summer
of the following year
So, we kind of
know that there was at least some kind
of uh
the mac and cheese vomit had occurred
and and that laid the groundwork
If you don’t know what
we’re talking about, make sure you
listen to the relationships episode
I’m
sure we’ve mentioned this many times
Hopefully, a lot of you are
So many episodes we have about the them
meeting
So, let’s get into her
career
So, it’s funny because this feels
like a quiet year until you really start
digging into it
So, Drew filmed two things in 1993
The
first is Wayne’s World 2
So, she just
has a very small cameo, and we we’ll do
an episode about all her cameos pretty
soon, so maybe we’ll get more into this
But
they filmed sometime in summer of 93
I
have to imagine she only needed to be
there for the good day, right
Like,
she’s literally in a five minute scene
Not even three minutes, two minutes
It’s so short
I don’t know
You could
pull up the YouTube clip of the whole
thing
I think it is like three minutes,
right
Um, and we recently dug into this
I
don’t remember why you asked if we
I don’t remember
I feel like I told I
told my partner that she was in Wayne’s
World, too
And he’s like, “Why
” And
what I said what I said to him was,
“Well, she’s a big star
” And then I was
like, “Well, at that time,
yeah,
like her star was kind of Anyway
What did you find out
Knowing me, research girl, once an idea
is in my head
I can’t let it go
I was
like, I wonder if the DVD has any
information
So, I throw the DVD
on with the commentary and the
commentary was just kind of like, oh,
there’s Drew Barrymore
She’s so
beautiful
And I was like, oh,
that’s not helpful
Then I threw on like
one of the um featurettes on the DVD and
Lauren Michaels comes on and he says
that he really wanted Drew in the film
because he was a big fan and he didn’t
think that they could get her which is
so interesting cuz like yeah that’s
wild
But then he credits Mike Meyers
and his then wife Robin with quote
unquote solving that
So I guess they asked her to be in it
I
mean as if she would say no to that
I
can’t even imagine a world at which 93
Drew would say no to being in Wayne’s
world too,
right
Like it feels like ex like she’d
be like, “Oh my god, hell yes
” I also
love to imagine that she got a charming
call from like Mike Myers
Like she
would call other people to try to get
them to like her films
She’s like,
“One day I’m going to do this
That’s a great idea
” Mike Myers and
Robin
Um, but yeah, I uh I love that we
have that just that little bit of info
that like it was Lauren that was pulling
for it
Like that’s so cool
Um, and then she also,
you mentioned this, but she filmed Bad
Girls this year
Just to give a little
bit of info about this, um, it was
originally, it originally started to
film in early July of this year, 1993,
with Tamara Davis directing and a
totally different script than what ended
up kind of coming out of this movie
After three weeks of filming, a new
director was brought in, Jonathan
Kaplan,
uh, to start from scratch and rewrite
the whole script
It’s crazy
Um, and the actresses were sent
to the what they called cowboy camp uh
before filming resumed in late August
and then they finished filming in
November
I’m so curious
I would love
to see anything that was filmed before
they changed it
What would that be
It’s kind of I’m sure it had
such a different vibe from everything
that we know
Like
whenever we want to actually like it’s
not one of my favorite movies
whenever
we want to sit down and actually do an
episode
There’s so much like dirt
behind the scenes of that one
Like even
just to get this timeline locked in
I
was like searching newspaper archives
and like figuring out like when did
things happen and cuz Drew will
sometimes make it sound like she filmed
that movie for seven months, which it
might have felt like that at the time,
but this is pretty like I feel good
about these dates
This like kind of definitive sort of
end
I love that you mentioned
like this year is busier because what
let’s talk about all the things that
were released
If I was just going off top of my head,
I would say two movies, maybe three,
came out in 93, but it’s actually a lot
more than that, you guys
It’s kind of weird
Again, thank God for newspapers
com and
Lindsay Blake for letting me have access
to her account
Thank you, Lindsay
Also, I’m just going
to say before we even get in, three
things came out in January
Okay, so the very first one is of
course the Amy Fischer story
I
know that came out that year,
right
So it aired on ABC in on January 3rd and
there were dueling Amy Fisher movies at
this time
There were three of them alto
together and Drews ended up being the
highest rated
So and it was also like
some people said it was the best one
Like it was definitely like the winner
of this little race that these networks
were having
So wild to imagine
Also the like turnaround time for
that
Like I feel like they filmed it
and it came out like a month later or
something
And when did this thing like the actual
thing happened with Amy Fisher
It was
like the year before, right
Oh yeah, for sure
It was May 19th of
’92
So literally within less than six
months
They would have been filming this
like probably like 3 4 months
after that happened
Oh my god
Just so weird to think about
Um, if you guys want to hear us talk
about this one more, we have a really
fun episode with our friends from Movies
That Made Us Gay
Um, it was from the
end of 2023
It was
Well, you’re exactly right because it
would came out December 5th of 2023
It’s our episode 63 if you want to check
that out
So almost two years ago
we did that episode
Like that’s so
wild
It’s a very fun one
And uh Pete from
movies that made us gay like really
remembers this time period with the AA
Fisher stuff
So he was like a really
fun resource for all of that
And of course we get into a lot
of the nitty-gritty
So if you want to
hear more about that
Um also released in 1993 was Motorama
Um, Motorama Gus
Gus,
basically a cameo, right
Like
Oh, yeah
So, it was extremely limited
release January 13th of 1993 in
theaters
Like, we didn’t even know it
was in theaters, right
Definitely thought it was a straight to
video,
right
And it had been filmed in late
1990, early 91
So, it took quite a bit
took a bit of time to come out
Always a bad sign,
right
I don’t even really remember
anything about the film
Yeah, I watched
the whole thing once, but she’s
beautiful in it
She’s a fantasy girl
She’s standing on the beach calling out
to the main character in his dream
You haven’t won yet
That’s pretty much it
Um, so this is kind of an interesting
one
So, as we mentioned, Gun Crazy had
come out the year before on Showtime,
but they ended up doing a limited
theatrical release starting in LA on
January 20th, 93, and later then
expanded to nine other theaters
throughout the country
And I don’t know
like were they going for like some sort
of like to be eligible for Oscars
I
don’t know like what the thought was
there
Probably,
but um that’s very unusual for that to
happen
And so it feels notable like
even though it had come out the year
before, I feel like we should include it
in this list of things released in 93
I feel like it has to do something with
the fact that it was getting awards
chatter
Like I’m trying to think of the
but I can’t think of what it is, but it
was getting like there was excitement
around it and her performance
So I’m
not surprised that like whoever’s
decision it was the studio was like put
it out there
Um but I bet you’re right
We
also have No Place to Hide which was
released in on April 16th of 1993 in
theaters again
Can’t believe it
I thought that was a
straight to video for sure
And this one also had been filmed
almost three years before in summer of
1990 under the name Temporary
It’s weird like I almost wonder were
they trying to capitalize on Drew’s like
newfound success by suddenly
releasing everything
like they’re
holding on to this movie for three years
and then all a sudden, oh, Drew
Barrymore is like suddenly like a name
that people might be interested in
Let’s go ahead and put this out
Maybe they had a hard time releasing
them
Yeah, that too
But I also like I feel
bad for her that like these weird little
things she did when she was just trying
to like get some work are then coming
out,
right
Doesn’t really feel fair
No, it doesn’t
But maybe that’s one of
the reasons why the Renaissance was so
much of a renaissance is like suddenly
all the stuff that like had been like in
waiting backlogged
Suddenly it was just like flooding the
media
Like that’s amazing
Because it continues
Um then we
have Doppelganger
That was a direct
video
It was released on May 26 of 93
Um and had been filmed only the year
prior
And we have a really fun episode
about that one, too, if you guys want to
hear it
Because, as Drew famously said,
you’d rather stick pins in your eyes
than watch that movie
But if you want
to hear us talk about, check out episode
90
We also have this documentary that I
think we only found out about like last
year or something
I feel like it was
really um she does a small voice
narration in a documentary called Roots
of Row and it aired on TV on November
29th of 1993
So, it’s again, it’s
another small thing, but notable because
yet another thing that came out in 1993
And then, uh, Wayne’s World 2, like talk
about a quick turnaround, came out on
December 10th
So, they’d only been
filming it over the summer and then it
comes out in December
This is
like just what a world
Um, and of
course, Drew’s small cameo as Bjergan
Kjergan made quite a big impression and
it kind of like furthered along this sex
symbol status that she was having at
this time very intentionally on her
part, right
Um, I feel like there’s a lot I always
see comments like this was like a sexual
awakening for people, her little part in
this scene
I mean, she is she’s beautiful
Beautiful
The way they dressed her up
for this like very quick cameo,
the like crocheted top so perfectly
early 90s in the best way possible
She’s so good
She’s stunning
We’ve already talked
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Um, okay
So now let’s get into some of
the TV and event appearances
I’m sure
many of them are around promoting all
this various stuff, right
Maybe not promoting Motorama, but
some of the things that we mentioned
So, um, in January, so here we are at
the beginning of the year kind of going
through chronologically these events
Um, so January 20th, she appeared on the
Arsenal Hall show where she discussed
Amy Fischer, her difficulties of fame,
her breakup with Jamie, and the movie
Gun Crazy
I don’t know if I’ve even
seen this appearance
This was a very new find like within the
last few months that this like surfaced
and we will link to it on the episode
page
It’s really cute
Again, she’s
doing the like baggy men’s wear kind of
look for this and love it
It’s just it’s just so good
God, Drew,
why are you so cute
This one little
picture in our notes
I’m like, she’s
really cute
Yeah, that’s why I was
like, I don’t recognize this
Yeah, go watch it
Just a few days after
that, she attended the Golden Globe
Awards
So, she had been nominated for
best performance by an actress in a
limited series anthology series or
motion picture made for television
Is
that a long enough title for you
That’s too much
For the movie Gun Crazy
And that was a
big deal for her
Like this is she’s not
award showgirl like you know her one
award was the youth and film awards from
82 and being Yeah
being recognized for
this, not even just being recognized,
being recognized for this movie, which
she was so passionate about, but also
like during this comeback time, like
she’s blacklisted a couple years before
and now she’s got a Golden Globe
nomination,
right
Um, so we have a quick little clip of
her on our just discussing that
nomination
I’m so honored and grateful
I mean, I’m
up
I’m put in the category with
Katherine Hepburn,
Jessica Lange,
hello
Uh, Kyra Sedwick, and Laura Dern
It’s
all five of us in in the um little
thing
And um I mean to be put with
those women
is the biggest honor in itself
I don’t
really care if I win
It’d be nice, but
um it’s just so flattering and it makes
me feel so good and proud
A
I know
And also the fact that she was
nominated alongside Jessica Lang
Isn’t that weird
Who she ended up beating out when they
were nominated for Great Gardens
Kind of strange, huh
It’s It’s just wild to think of like she
probably would have never imagined she
would be like working alongside that
person when she said this person’s name
Oh, that’s true
Um, she did end up
losing to Laura Durn, but still so cool
that and so she’s there and she’s, you
know, very glam that night
I saw like
some newspaper thing that gave her like
the best hair of the night
Um, so they called it like a Sharon
Stone dew
She does have like
very nice blonde kind of slicked back
flippy hair and pearl choker and just a
simple black dress
Um, and then we also
know that she presented an award because
we have a random screen grab from
something
Um, but can’t find any
details of what award that was or who
she’s presenting with
I don’t recognize
the guy in this horrible quality
picture
Yeah, I don’t feel like I do either, but
he looks sort of like the guy who plays
um Richard on Sex in the City
Oh, he’s in Boys on the Side
Doesn’t it look like him
Yeah, maybe
We should put this picture in the
gallery and if anybody recognizes who
this might be, let us know
There we go
I tried to look into it and after a
while I was like, this is really a waste
of my time
There were so many of the
like awards on YouTube and like that one
was not there
Like so annoying
I went through all every single one of
them
Um on February 1st, uh Drew
attended the CFDA fashion awards which
stands for Council of Fashion Designers
of America
She attended with the
photographer Matthew Rolston
Looking
super glam again
I I like I love her
look here with the like bright red lips
She looks beautiful
It’s like a perfect red
It’s also fun
that like fun air quotes fun her and
Matthew are like holding cigarettes and
cigarette packs in like all the
pictures,
right
Always got to have the cigarettes on the
red carpet
Always was an accessory that she had at
all times
for quite a while
Um then on May
19th she attended the premiere of the
movie Sliver starring the
aforementioned Sharon Stone and once
again Matthew Ralston came with her to
that
Uh she worked with him so many
times in the early 90s and so it’s not
like a surprise that they were friends
and hanging out,
right
He’s probably part of her early gay guy
crew
probably
Um and Drew wore a pretty like iconic
look to this one
She had the round blue
lens sunglasses and a Mickey Mouse
backpack
And I just feel like people
always remember this one
And she’s also got like one
of the like probably hemp chokers like
on her neck like
Yeah
Little Daisy Hemp
Speaking of clippings, I feel like
we have like tons and tons of clippings
of this look
Yeah, for sure
I mean, this is like one
of the only maybe the only movie
premiere she attended this year, I
think
which is funny because she had so
many released
Um but she is asked on the red carpet
about what she thinks about Sharon Stone
breaking ground for other actresses
I think she’s definitely opening
up new doors for people to like I mean I
think she’s really outspoken and I
really respect that about her and I
think the more power to her, you know,
so I’m excited
I mean she knows Sharon Stone from
Irreconcilable Differences
I think that
was Sharon’s like debut
Oh
yeah
So that’s kind of cool
And Sharon
was at the Poison Ivy premiere, I feel
like, in support of Drew
So, yeah,
really cute
That is really sweet
Okay, so now we get on to September
13th
Drew was on literally the first
episode of Late Night with Conan
O’Brien, which is always so cool
Like,
I know
I love that little nugget
I
feel like she never mentions that
Like,
she should really like brag about that
out of it
Um, and once again,
Lauren Michaels seems to have been
responsible for this, so that’s really
cool to know, too
Like, how did we find
that out
I feel like she might say it
in the appearance
Or she said it at some other point at
some point
I remember that fact and
you’re just going to have to trust my
memory on that
It makes sense, right
I mean,
yeah
So, she flew in from the Bad Girls set
specifically to appear on the show
Um,
she discusses Amy Fischer and the guest
campaign on the episode
I just have to
say really quickly about her look
She’s
got like this red sort of like
Chinese appropriation dress, but it also
feels like from like the ‘9s into like
the 2000s like
those just
right silky Chinese dresses
Yeah,
she looks beautiful
And we’ve got her
like basically bouncy woo woo woo woo
woo bouncy hair going on here
Um I love it
Gorgeous
And and it’s so I mean if any
of you know like Con O’Brien’s show I
feel like it’s like the awkwardness of
what that was intentionally but like
times 20
like literally the first episode but I
love it like Conan’s great on the first
episode of his show
It’s true
It’s super funny
He had been writing for Saturday Night
Live forever
So
yeah I think Yeah
But if you guys
haven’t for some reason seen this
there’s two versions on YouTube
If you
want we could link to both of those
Um,
like there’s the official one that his
company or his brand put out, but then
there’s a longer one from our friends at
Drew Barrymore Daisy that has a little
bit extra of Drew
Check it out
Thanks very much for coming on my first
show
Thank you for having me
It was a real
honor
Thank you
All right
Okay, so then we
get to December 8th, the Billboard Music
Awards
So Drew was basically like kind
of urged into doing this by her
publicist or whoever because she is
really like I just want to stay home at
this point in her life
Um but she
agreed to go and so she presents the
award for the number one rock artist and
she does it alongside Mike Myers and
Dana Carvey
So, obviously this is also
kind of like a Wayne’s World 2 promo,
but their section was pre-taped and so
it’s actually it’s like they make a
comedy out of the fact that it’s
pre-taped cuz they’re like asking Drew
questions and then there’s like awkward
pauses and then they’re like pretending
to respond
It’s it’s pretty cute
We’ll
definitely link to that
Um we and then
she presents the award to Aerosmith
So,
let’s hear that
Absolutely
Live from London’s Hard Rock
Cafe, here is Billboard’s number one
rock artist of the year, Aerosmith
Aerosmith
It’s also like she trips over her words
when she first starts introducing it and
she’s like, “Of course
” Like, you can
just hear her brain like, “Why can’t you
ever be cool
“
I love it
That’s why we love you, Drew
We We need you to be you at all times,
and you are you at all times
Um, the funny thing about this one, and
oh, I guess we didn’t talk about her
look, but she has like a silky white
long dress on, and this is where her
like 94 curls are starting to really
show up
Um, but so the next day, rumors came out
about her dating Billy Idol supposedly
and about her having her quote down
there pierced
So then she was just
like, I’m swearing off going to events
And the quote that she gave to movie
line was, “I’m like that’s it
No more favors
No more nothing
I am
never going out again
” And as we
reported in our year in review 94, she
literally didn’t go to any public events
that whole year
So, she really meant
she meant it
Yeah, she meant it
Um,
all right
So, some more fun from this
year
Of course, every year the photo
shoots
1990s photo shoots,
right
and we’re talking about things
that were released in 1983
She did a
lot more photo shoots that year that
maybe didn’t come out till the next
year
Um, but yeah, you can listen to
episode 104 talking about more of the
ones that probably were shot this year,
but this is how we do this
Yeah, it’s kind of like ah it’s that
thing of like I kind of want to mention
that she has her first photo shoot with
Mark Seliger this year, but like it
didn’t come out until 94
So, we’re just
talking about the releases of 93
So, let’s um first
just talk about GQ, which was released
in March
Um it was not a cover feature
It was an inside feature only um
photographed by Jeffrey Thurnher
Um and I’m
I mean I like this
I like some of this
Yeah, same
Not a huge fan of her hair
No, it’s very 92 hair
I’m certain it
was done in ’92 because if it came out
if it’s a March issue, it came out in
February, which means like there’s no
way they did it fast enough back then
Um, so I feel like my
favorite of the shoot probably the stuff
on the beach
Those are the ones I love
But the
ones in the black bra on the sidewalk
smoking a cigarette are the ones that
like get shared all the time
What’s What’s the word like
They
are
oversaturated
Over I mean, yeah, the the market has
been oversaturated with those pictures
I mean, yeah, she’s she’s in a bra and
she’s looks sexy and she’s got a
cigarette in her mouth
So, of course,
like
that’s going to attract some people,
right
It’s very on brand for the bad girl
Drew,
right
Um, then for the New York Times
for their March 7th issue, they did a
little article about her and the
photographs were done by Mojgan B. Azimi
Sorry if I butchered that
Um, these are
really cool where she has like a really
cute daisy choker necklace and she just
she just kind of looks like a badass in
these
But beautiful
And I I think I feel like she just
I was going to say I feel like she like
dressed herself for them
Something
about them feels like casual
I totally
agree
Um, yeah, I do love them
And again, if you guys are like, ah, I
want to see, we always have an episode
page with the links and the gallery
So,
photos that we’re talking about, you can
check them all out on the howdoyoudrew
You cannot do it justice without the
visual
The visual, you got to see it
Um, more beauty here from 17 magazine
A
cover feature, the first cover feature
of this year released in May
Um, she
was photographed by the aforementioned
Matthew Rolston at a place called Caffe
Tiesto or Tiesto
That’s how you say that,
I think, in in San Francisco
Um, these
pictures are so cool
She has a very
Marilynesque Marilyn Monroeesque feel to
her, like the way they did her hair
Um, I love that she’s got like multiple
different outfits and like almost like
feels like she’s playing different
characters in the different pictures
Um, almost all actually looks like all
the ones that are inside the magazine
are either black and white or sepia
tone, which is also like interesting for
17 magazine
I know these feel very high fashion for
17, right
I was just thinking like where would I
maybe expect these to be like I don’t
know, not 17
More something a little
more adult
Um, and the cover is
great, too
I mean,
they’re beautiful
You got to see these if you haven’t seen
them
I also feel like this was sort of
like giving her an opportunity to be
presented as something opposite as not
the bad girl in the black bra and the
cigarettes
Cuz she looks more classy
She looks Yeah
classy and like adult
They’re great
Um but then we go
back to a little bit more fun bad girl
looks for details from the June issue
We covered this in our episode 38 and
it’s one of our most popular episodes
It’s a really good article
So, I don’t
know if that’s has something to do with
it, but um yeah, it’s definitely worth
taking a listen to, but she is on the
cover for this one with the word sex
written across her upside down laying on
the floor legs
So, you know, that’s a
little bit more in line with this time
period
But I love these photos
There’s
only a couple of them
They’re all black
and white, but uh again, badass and
beautiful
And the photographer is Albert
Watson
These are really cool
Particularly like
the um leopard print one
I feel like
the one where she’s wearing the leopard
print jacket and she’s at like a cafe
counter
Just crazy stunning
And then of course she just looks so
cool smoking
So this one of her wearing
like skull and crossbones
It’s also funny there’s one of her
driving and then in a couple more shoots
there’s another photo of her driving
I
always remember that being like that’s
so interesting
That was funny
I don’t think I’ve ever
really thought about that, but it is
really funny
It’s like that Bronco energy or
something
She’s bringing the Bronco energy
She does look ready to drive through a
gate in that in the one from details
Maybe they just took the photo when that
was happening
cuz I feel like I thought Well, we’ll
get to the the dirt one in a minute, but
like I feel like I always thought she
looks like she’s driving like a bus in
the dirt
The way her hands I don’t I
don’t know what it I don’t know what it
is
Anyway, um before we get to dirt
though, let’s talk about Vogue, which
was released in June
Not a cover, but
so many amazing pictures
And I have to imagine this was
such a big deal for her
Oh my gosh
Like I mean I’ve like come across in my
research just the fact that like she
couldn’t even like to get her on the
cover of Vogue was like a really big
deal and that didn’t happen till 2005
So right
like this is major
It was the first time she
worked with the incredible photographer
Ellen von Unwerth
We’ve got a whole
episode talking about their
collaborations
Um, they’ve
done some incredible work together
Some
of our favorite all time
And
just in this shoot alone, I mean, I’m
just looking at this little sample
Are
there eight
Are these all full pages
I
feel like they are
Um, I think the only one that isn’t is
the very first one
It’s like half a
page
God, they are just so incredible
Like,
how do we even summarize
like they’re
just so stunning
We’ll have to do a whole episode on this
one maybe
But they were done um at Coney Island
We should mention that
I didn’t put
that in the notes, but
Oh, yes
It’s a mixture of like things
that are black and white and some color
Um they’re just so cool
And every
single one has this like really unique I
feel like once again there’s like tons
of different like costume changes
It’s just like iconic
I I don’t feel
like we can even do it any justice by
trying to describe them
I will say I
feel like the one of her in the chair
where she’s nude, was there like a
postcard
Yeah,
that was like at a bunch of stores and
stuff
Um they’re just so great guys
You
have to look at them
Plus, we love
Ellen Von Werth and this is just like the
perfect introduction
And she always reposts whenever I tag
her in a story, she always reposts it,
which is really cool
That is really cool
So, our next one, as Ann
mentioned, is Dirt
And I I don’t even
know what this magazine was, but it was
like a boys magazine, I think
Um, it’s undated, which has always
driven me crazy, but it came out in ’93
And the photos were done by Spike Jones,
which is really cool
And Drew basically
is like half the cover
Like, she shares
it with John Singleton
So, it’s from
the nose up, it’s Drew, and from the
nose down it’s him, which is kind of
fun
I want the rest of her face
And
she does a like ask I think it’s called
like ask a girl or something
So there’s
all these like letters written in and
she responds to all these boys like with
a female perspective
It’s It’s pretty
silly
I definitely We should reread
that
I don’t even remember
And you’re
totally right
I just did a quick Google
and it was an American lifestyle
magazine targeting young men
There you go
It’s a really cool unique like the
photos are unique, the cover is unique
I feel like it took me a while to like
collect this one
Like it is kind of a
weirder one, but
you know, we’ve got some copies in the
jersey
Of course, it’s special one
Of course
All right
And we of course have to
mention I feel like one of like the
biggest things this year that so many
people remember about 93 is the guest
campaign
Um, and you can listen to episode 6 when
we talk all about it
I can’t believe it
was episode six
Like
I know that’s crazy
Um these photographs were by Wayne
Maser
Um we’ve got two different photo
shoots that are kind of used throughout
the campaign
Um one that was done at
Salt and Sea in California and another
in Miami, Florida
And they have very
distinct kind of looks to them
If
you’re familiar with them, you might
know
Um
they were first debuted in magazines in
June
And how long did those kind of
like there were magazines for like a
while
I want to say all the way up to like
early ’94
and there’s so many you guys
Yeah,
this is this is such a I mean this is a
if you listen to episode six of our
podcast I’m sure we’ll talk about like
good luck with the audio
Who knows what
that sounds like
Maybe don’t listen to it
Um but
this was huge
I mean huge for her
I
mean, I feel like like literally icon
status like you know, she’s like h so
good
She’s a guest girl
She’s like such a
guest girl and she was like amazed to
have been selected for it
Like she
thought like I am this little tiny like
I’m short and I’m like, you know, she
didn’t feel like she was guest girl
material, which is crazy because these
ads are incredible and she’s so
beautiful in them
Oh my god, we can’t
get out
Yeah, we we do really go into
detail even though it’s an like early
episode and it might not sound great
I
know I did a ton of research of like and
had some cool factoids
So, it’s worth
listening to even if it doesn’t sound
amazing
And if you’re listening to this and
you like cannot visualize
Drew Barrymore’s guess ads, please go to
our website, go to the Drewseum, look at the
pictures, and soak them in
Like,
yeah, literally just go to the
museum
com/guest if you want to see all
of the things in our collection related
to this campaign because there’s an
unbelievable amount of photos
They are
Yeah, I know I’ve said it a
hundred times, but they are rad
They
are beautiful
I feel like it’s even
hard to like choose a favorite from this
grouping
Anyway,
yeah
So, we’ve reached the end of 93 that we
thought was going to be kind of a little
year ended up being like quite a bit of
like important stuff
I mean,
yeah
And it really I think it’s it’s I mean
obviously it literally is but it’s this
interesting middle point of like okay
she’s like getting her career back up
She’s getting a lot of attention
She
hasn’t quite made the leap to like major
things happening quite yet
I mean Bad
Girls was like her first studio film in
a long time
So that’s a pretty big
thing
Like we didn’t even touch on
that
So she’s really building it back
up but she’s still like not A-list you
know
Well, that’s kind of why when I
said she’s in Wayne’s world, too,
because she was a big star, I was like,
“Yeah,
sort of like,
yeah, she’s very well known
She was
very famous, but she didn’t necessarily
have like
pull in Hollywood, you know,
she was still working on that,
right
And had, like you said, not
having done a studio film,
she had been filming all these little
things that were going to take their
time getting released
And then it
wasn’t until she had like, you know, the
big names behind her that they were just
like released, released, released
“
Yeah, it’s also, you know, I didn’t put
anything about this in here, but it’s
also worth noting that the next year she
officially founds Flower Films
So,
that’s huge
Like, yeah
Major like she’s things her
career is
really going up up up and things are
really happening and it’s just
it’s really cool that she’s only 18 like
what
it’s making me really feel like we got
to cover Flower Films at some point
soon
I’ve actually that’s like calling
to me right now
Okay, so thank you guys
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How Do You Drew Episode 118 – Romantic Relationships

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[Music]
How do you drew
How do you drew
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Hello and welcome to How Do You Drew
This is a Drew Barrymore podcast brought
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We’re drawing on over 25 years of Drewbie
expertise to dive into all aspects of
Drew’s world, from her personal life to
her professional career
Thanks to our
sponsor and friends at Positive Medium
I’m an
and I’m Ashley
And this week we are
discussing Drew Barrymore’s romantic
relationships,
also known as Too Many Boyfriends,
which uh some lovely gentleman on
Hollywood Boulevard shouted at us once
when we were posing with Drew Star
I
don’t like her
She has too many
boyfriends
We were like, go f yourself
I think he also said like a comment
about her body as well
We’re not Yeah
Great
guy,
right
great guy that just felt like he
had to tell clearly people who are fans
of this person that he did not like her
and we were like young girls anyway
Anyway, we’re talking about her her
boyfriends
So, let’s start at the top of
the episode with uh a little bit of a
tidbit, I guess
How how would you Yeah
I just wanted to mention that I just
recently finished Demi Moore’s memoir
It’s called Inside Out, and it’s from
2019
And I just felt like there were a lot of
really fascinating parallels to Drew’s
young life
Sort of similarly to when we
read Ione Skye’s where I was just like,
“Oh, there’s weird like connections and
overlaps
” And I mean, the one thing
that really stuck out to me was sort of
how Demi’s mom was
And I I remember Drew
and Demi talking about it on Drew’s show
once,
but yeah, she like also sold childhood
photos of Demi to the press and also like
posed nude after Demi did stuff like
that
I just found it really
fascinating
Um, it was a great book
So, highly recommend
And there is a
cute little part about our girl Drew
calling and charming Demi out of
retirement for full throttle
You know,
Drew’s Drew making a phone call
The
secret weapon,
right
I just watched Ever After
again and I was thinking about the
Angelica Huston thing and I was I was
telling my friend who was with me
watching it like of course I have to
throw in some tidbits
I was like
I was like you know she like called her
and Anyway, you know the whole thing
Yeah, that’s fun
Anyways, okay
So,
let’s get into a big list of things that
Drew has proclaimed her love for
recently
I love love
All right
Drew loves her dictionaries
Oh, of course she does
I I got you covered there
I love paper
She loves hush puppies
When the girls open up to her, referring
to her daughters
She loves a beef bullion
Queso Wajaka
[Music]
Everything about her experience
She would love this podcast
She should
listen to it
She loves Pitch Perfect
And Aubrey Plaza
We know that
And she was referring to
local journalism
She loves skincare
A fake meat
We do too
A legume
Is that how you say that
You know what
I was just trying to say
this word recently and I don’t know if
it’s legume or legume
I don’t like it
Either way, it’s kind of gross sounding,
but I mean, I like eating them,
right
She loves to see people make stuff and
accomplish stuff
A
again, she should listen to this
podcast
She loves jokes
[Laughter]
A googly eye
Okay, let’s see if I can say this one
Yeah, it’s a Korean savory sweet and
spicy condiment
She loves miso
The nude lip
She loves crochet
Has she ever done it
I don’t I doubt it
Yeah, me too
She loves an old school at a glance
The
day planners
Oh, okay
She loves Jim Carrey
We knew that
listen to our Batman
Forever episode
And finally, Drew loves red hair, which
we were just talking about in our last
episode for Charlie’s Angels
Yes, we were
Everything just feeds each
other, guys
It all connects
This This podcast is a
snake eating its own tail
Um, we have a Drewism of the week
for this week
It looks like you know
those cool little isms that we do
This came from people
They did like
a random interview with her kind of in
connection to the Garnier stuff that
she’s been doing
And I just had to pull
this little paragraph because I thought
this is such a truism
You want to read
it
So, it said, “I shaved my
legs the other day and that made me feel
20 times less like a Neanderthal
I gave
myself a home pedicure
I cleaned out my
toenails and I got my gray roots done
These are things that we women don’t
carve out time for
And then all of a
sudden you look at yourself and you’re
like, I’m not just a keeper
I’m a
hairy keeper with dry skin
I’m
rocking around as if I’m a troll and I’m
not going to sink down that rabbit hole
I’m going to pull myself out
I’m going
to do what I can for myself
I really like it
Relatable
It’s so many levels
Like so good
That is so good
Drew, we love you
We
love you, Drew
No matter how hairy
All right, let’s um dive into our
mailbag
You’ve got mail
We got so many nice responses to our
Charlie’s Angels episode, which meant a
lot because like to me that’s like my
favorite episode right now that we’ve
ever done
I loved it so much
I really
enjoyed it and a lot went into it and
it’s so cool to know that people were
appreciating the work that we did
And like some people who I think
who maybe were new to us possibly
In fact, this this is the one I
pulled
This is from listener Cadu from
Brazil
And he sent us some really nice
messages and this is part of what I
pulled
Oh, so Cadu said, “I just
finished listening to your Charlie’s
Angels episode and you absolutely
crushed it
I’ve been a huge fan of the
movies for 25 years and I just wanted to
say thank you for all the love, passion,
and insight you put into celebrating
Drew
It’s genuinely inspiring
Oh,
right
I like the celebrating Drew
because that’s like all of the work that
we do across this podcast across all the
Drewseum things
Like it’s all about just
celebrating this girl that makes
everybody happy
Absolutely
That’s
what we’re here to do
Like, thank you
for getting it
Um, okay
So, now we got some stuff for
what’s new with Drew
Some little things
here and there
So, let’s get into that
Here we go with the news, everybody
Drew shared on Instagram that she
has two new animals in her menagerie
Drew Little over there
She now has
two new little birds
I think they’re
parakeets, right
Uh, you know, I
don’t really know birds
Me neither, but I looked up
parakeet and it looked like it was a
match
I think that’s correct
But had to just love the pictures of
them perching on her shoulder
I love perching birdies
If that wasn’t clear enough, that’s Drew
proclaiming that she loved perching
birdies
And that’s always been one of our like
go-to Drew quotes that we just always
say for some reason
I love perching birdies cuz it’s so her
Yes, it is
And the crowd like laughs after she says
this on Rosie O’Donnell because it’s so
sincere and like goofy
Um, she brought them out when Tracy
Morgan was on the show, but she also
brought out a snake and Jeremy, you
know, the lizard
And they didn’t like
name, like she didn’t introduce them all
by name,
right
So, the like caption on the screen said
that Jeremy, Lemon, Melanie, and Norio
were all Drew’s pets who were ecstatic
to meet Tracy
So, I’m going to guess
Lemon was the snake
I’m like going
order of appearance
and that the birds are Melanie and
Norio, but I could have that wrong
Very cute
Like this is adorable
I love
the images that we have of Drew with the
birds
Like I know
this makes me so happy
I love that you noted that her snake was
Cecil cuz I thought so too cuz she’s
like
Cecil
So I guess this must be a new
snake,
right
Unless they uh I don’t know
We named Cecil
I
feel like she brought Cecil more than
once to the show
Probably
Yeah, he’s definitely come up
Anyway, the menagerie grows
So, what else is new
Uh, this was so like random and fun on
Halloween night
I mean, everyone has
probably seen this by now, but at a
Sabrina Carpenter concert, apparently
there’s a song I don’t know Sabrina
Carpenter stuff
Sorry, guys
But
apparently there’s a song called Juno
And from what I understand, when she’s
about to do that song, she’s been quote
unquote arresting an audience member for
being too sexy
And it’s like a whole
thing
So on Halloween, she appeared to arrest
Ghost Face from Scream in the audience
And then surprise, the mask comes off
and it’s Drew under there
And the crowd
like freaks out
There’s a girl behind
her who’s just like jaw dropped to the
floor
Yeah, me too
It was very cute
Like Drew’s like very
like trying to be seductive and cute
with Sabrina
It’s so cute
Like she looks so I mean
she looks beautiful
She takes the mask
off and they’ve got like the camera
right on her
She looked lovely
I think
she was wearing like a red lip, right
Like it looks so good
It was funny
Um one of the Instagram
followers we have, Rodney, he’s like
very into Charlie’s Angels
He said it
totally gave him pulling the LL cool J
mask vibe and I was like totally
totally totally
I love how she
like pulls the mask off and like shakes
her hair out
Like there’s something
there’s also something very Charlie’s
Angels about that
Like that’s totally
what she does as LL Cool J
Like he called
it
Um that was so fun
And these Polaroids
Is this something that um Sabrina
Carpenter posted
Which is so cool
I love that
somebody was just right there with a
Polaroid camera when this happened
Um, all right
We’ve got
one more in a little new thing to talk
about before we get into the topic
This just came out
So Vince Gilligan,
who wrote Home Fries, he was just on the
Drew Barrymore show
Did you watch that
when they called Luke Wilson
It was so cute
Oh, it was so cute
I’m like, get back
together, you guys
And I like how Luke just kept talking
Like I was like, this is so cute and
sweet
I definitely like want to cover
Home Fries pretty soon
Like it keeps
coming into my orbit like for some
reason
But anyway, so um Vince has a
new TV show called Pluribus and there is
a new promo ad for it where like all of
these people are speaking to the main
character through her TV and there’s a
lot of Breaking Bad alums in it which
makes sense
But then Drew is also
randomly in there for two seconds but
it’s worth uh worth checking out
And I wonder if this promo if
there will be more of it, you know, like
this is just our promo, but we’ll have
to see
Oh, maybe
I mean, I’m I’m already interested in
seeing this
I I just finished watching
uh Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul
And I saw that he had a new show and I
was like, “Hell yeah
” And it’s one of
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I guess we might be ready to talk about
uh weekly topic about things that Drew
loves
Loved uh past tense
I guess
she lives love with these fellas at one
point in her life
Absolutely
And Drew, she does
She
really does love love
Like for real,
I love love love
and it’s very interesting to see how she
went from being kind of this love
junkie
You’ll see a lot of these
relationships really go back to back
very very closely
Self-proclaimed love junkie
And then we have present
day which we’ll touch on
And you know
she’s just she’s changed guys
She’s the
same girl but she’s changed
Um,
yeah, she’s really like I feel like just
in the last several years she’s really
matured in like a
I mean she’s also I mean she’s also con
like constantly learning about herself
too
Like
I think she would agree like even in the
last like
year I feel like she would say that
Um I do want to say at the top that
these first few that we’re going to
mention
they’re pretty casual quote unquote
relationships
We’re talking about a
time when she was like 13 and 14, which
sounds so laughable as like just having
witnessed my at the time 15year-old
daughter go through her first little
breakup
And it’s like I can’t even
believe that would ever be notable
enough to be included on any list ever,
right
But she was different
She’s different at this point if you
know she’d been through a lot by 13 14
So like
we you know we’ll talk about it some age
differences that are a little shocking
and things like this
Um, but also Drew
I think always was a little um
ahead of her time whatever you or you
know good way of putting it
like wise beyond her years
So yeah we have to in include
those just to kind of keep the timeline
complete
We are leaving out any mention
of guys that maybe she was like spotted
with once or twice but she never like
considered them a relationship
We’re
leaving out like all the stupid dumb
rumored ones like, “Oh, Val Kilmer,
she’s said that’s false
” Edward Norton,
no, they were just friends
Sam
Rockwell, just friends
Like, this is
kind of we’re trying to set like the
definitive list and like not the stupid
like Buzzfeed someone just quickly
Googled and saw a picture of her on the
red carpet with someone
And I don’t know that anyone would be
able to like argue with what we are
putting out there except for Drew
herself
Like,
no one’s ever allowed to argue with us
No, just kidding
Drew Drew is always
You just feel like this is the part of
like the public
part
I don’t know
This is what she’s
made known
You know
For the most part
All right
So, should we start right at
the very beginning
With uh our famous If you’re if you
listen to Little Girl Lost coverage on
Patreon, you’re familiar with this guy
So, this is Robbie
That is his
supposedly true name
In Little Girl
Lost, she names him Bobby
really top secret name change there
Um,
so when Drew was 13, this guy was a high
school senior and she met I think she
met him in the clubs and she spent a lot
of time at his family’s house in New
York when she wasn’t getting along with
her own mom
Based on how she wrote about him and
Little Girl Lost, we both went, “Wow,
this was not a healthy relationship
There’s some toxic that went down
“
There’s like Yeah
physical and like uh
uh
emotional
physical and mental abuse
Um and a few years later, you know, she
left New York and rehab and all these
things happened
Like, of course, that’s
they didn’t stay together, guys
But, um a few years later, she
had referred to him in Details magazine
as quote, “The only guy I’ve ever truly
been in love with
” Which I was like,
“Not great
But then, you know,
she’s saying this and she’s still young,
so she’s got a lot of love to go around
Guys,
totally
Should I mention the
embarrassing lap dance story
I don’t remember what you’re talking
about
I did find it very funny that in
the last week or so, she mentioned on
her show a story about how when she was
young, she tried to do a lap dance for
her boyfriend and it was it was really
bad and it didn’t work out well
And she
said that the song was to
Blue Monday by New Order, which in
Little Cor she says is her song with
Bobby
13-year-old Drew trying to do a
lap dance for this guy
Oh my goodness
That is funny
She seems to have a sense of humor about
it
Of course
And I love when she just like
reveals these random things
But of course me with the like you
know conspiracy theory board red lines
I’m like oh that must have been him
Blue Monday you said I don’t exactly who
you’re talking about
Okay so now we’re going to talk about
somebody that is a famous person so you
just may know who he is
This is Corey
Feldman
Um Drew had a childhood crush
on him and they went on a really like
very wholesome date set up by Steven
Spielberg when she was younger
Um, and
then the spring of 1989, they went to a
few events together, like including the
Oscars
Um, we know that they were both
like recovering, like in recovery at
this time, so I’m sure that that bonded
them
I feel like Drew has referred to
this as like more like a friend, but
also
I don’t think she was like this was a
real serious relationship
You know, I
don’t even know if like were they dating
when they did 15 and getting straight
like this is such a short little window
of time and she’s 14,
right
And they had a very like when he
was on her show it was very sweet, like
very tender and sweet
Like I don’t
think we’d ever really seen them speak
to each other
So
it was a really good um
it was great
appearance and I mean he’s one of like a
few that have been on her show from this
list
That’s true
That’s true
I think there’s like three others
I’ll
just say one other thing about him is we
got that tidbit from Todd Gold that he
had sent like dozens of roses to Drew
and we thought like maybe it was maybe
around the Oscars’ timeline like based
on what they were saying I think
Um so it was kind of a fun little thing
that we learned and I was like oh that
sounds about right for like I don’t
know
Um okay we’re just going to
briefly touch on this next one
The late
actor Rodney Harvey
So, we have
speculated that Drew briefly dated him
in mid 1989
And this is based on things
that we uncovered during our little girl
lost research
And
sorry to put this behind a payroll, but
it is kind of like sensitive
information
So, if you want to know the
scoop on this one, including like some
really weird info about her mom Jade’s
involvement in this relationship, you
got to head over to our Patreon for our
little girl lost deep dive
You do
patreon
[Laughter]
Yeah, that was an interesting one
Is that the one who was in The
Outsiders
Yes, the TV show
And like he’s part of
this crew that we’re like going to
continue seeing names pop up
So, next we’ve got another
actor
You may be aware of him, you may
not
Balthazar Getty
Um I’ve always
thought he was so cute
Yeah, he’s
really cute in all their photos together
and he’s like age appropriate which is
refreshing,
right
So, they were pictured together
at events and clubs throughout 1990
Um,
this is a very like
Yeah, I love I mean we love Drew’s look
at this time like long blonde hair
She
looks really happy in this picture here
So, she’s spoken about hanging
out in the friend group that included
Balthazar, Rodney who we just talked
about, and David Arquette, um, who she
said is only a friend, although they
like went to an event together, so
people thought they were dating
I know he’s always on the list
I’m like
I They went like to one red carpet and
Okay
Um, and then they were
pictured um for the last time on October
12th, 1990
So, it was really just like
that year
Kind of a kind of a blip
Um,
but really sweet
Kind of a blip as it should be when
you’re 15 years old
Um, so very soon after on October 29th,
1990,
Drew was pictured with this next guy,
and this is one of the first in a like
boom boom boom way too old guys
His
name was Leland Hayward
Um, he was a grandson of an old
Hollywood producer by the same name
Okay,
so Drew is 15 and he was in his early
20s
We have to assume it was I think he
was reportedly 24 at the time, but like
Okay,
I don’t know how to check up on that
information
Um,
in February 1991, People magazine
reported that they were rumored to be
engaged, but Drew later said that wasn’t
true
In fact, she told our buddy Todd
Gold in that same Details magazine that
he bought me a diamond ring and I wore
it on that finger
So, I suppose I asked
for it, but we were never engaged
And
Todd kind of like pushes back, but she’s
like, “No, it was like a joke
Like, we
weren’t engaged
” Which
I don’t know that it really matters
She could have been, you
know
Whatever that means when you’re 15
years old
And then they were last seen together in
February 1991
So, shortlived, but um
you know, I don’t love I don’t love it
It’s notable
I don’t love it
And then this next one is like my least
favorite
This one really
I have a real problem with and we’ve
mentioned it before, but yeah, go for
it
Explain these details
So, um, his name is Phedon Papamichael
What a name, right
in 1991 when
Drew was 16 years old
He was like fully
an adult around 30 who was a
cinematographer on Poison Ivy and then
he directed her in Sketch Artist
And he kind of said he he said outright
actually that he reworked the script of
Sketch Artist after watching her play a
seductress in Poison Ivy
Meaning he
like was like, “Oh,
more sexy
So then um she did mention him
being her boyfriend in movie line 1992
So we kind of have confirmation from the
I always forget what the phrase is from
the horse’s mouth
Is that right
The horse’s mouth
And we mentioned that in episode 81
because we’ve gone over each issue of
Movie Line
Those are really fun
episodes
Check them out
Um, and then,
uh, we have one more little tidbit about
him that is just kind of like weird but
fun to know and a little gross
So, um, photographer Dan Arsenal, who
had done the photos for the, uh, Venice
magazine, um, told us that she brought
photos home from that photo shoot, the
Polaroids, to Phedon like he as a as a
gift
And Phedon has posted one on his
Instagram and it was just like blew our
minds
Yeah, because we saw it
Um I think
there were actually two at first and
there’s only one like still up
But we
didn’t realize at first they were from
the Venice
Like he didn’t even like
credit anything
He was just like Drew
Barrymore and like as if he’d taken
them
And I remember like first of all
the photos are amazing but I was also
like ew
Like you’re okay
Anyway, um
yeah, but later we were able to figure
out they were from that shoot and the
photographer confirmed that’s what he
recalled happening
So yeah, it’s
interesting
He’s like an Academy Award
nominated cinematographer and it doesn’t
get brought up that he dated Drew, but
if you if you Google their names
together, you can find a couple things
Like it’s not a secret secret
And Drew,
remember in movie line 2003 where the
author like lists like several guys that
he found that she’d been in a
relationship with and she says the ones
that are true,
right
And he’s one of them
And this is like the
biggest age gap that we
Yeah
are aware of
Let’s move on to Jamie
Walters
So, this is when things start
getting a little more serious in these
relationships
So, they were introduced
by their mutual agent, JJ Harris, RA,
and they were first seen together in May
1992 when Drew was 17
They very quickly
moved in together and got engaged like
boom, boom, boom, like I think it was a
couple of months
But just as quickly, the relationship
ended
So, Drew had said that Jaime
broke off their engagement by phone
three days before she was due to return
to their LA house that they shared
because she was in Vancouver filming the
Amy Fischer story
He asked him to wait until she got back
so they could discuss it in person
Um,
but by the time she got home, Jamie had
moved out
And she like said that she
thinks that spending too much time apart
was the cause of the the problems
But
this was probably like her first really
serious relationship
And definitely
major heartbreak
Like she was very open
for a few years about how painful
this breakup was for her
I I have to
imagine this was maybe like the first
time that she was like,
I could create my own family with
someone or you know those kind of ideas
that we see place together
So they were
probably really picturing building a
life
And I would imagine I think JJ was a
very like kind of a motherly mentor
figure for Drew
So JJ like encouraging
the relationship probably made some
difference as well
Um one other little tidbit
we’ll mention if you’re not familiar
with the interview magazine from 1992
He appears with Drew on the cover
He is
in he’s clothed and Drew is nude
Um
it’s
we have we have an episode about that
too, guys, if you want to go listen
Yes, we do
There are many episodes,
y’all
We’ve covered a lot
Um, we’ve
also covered this next guy
Um, this is,
um, Drew’s first husband, Jeremy Thomas
Very brief marriage
Let me go into it
Um, they met at the Roxbury in 1992, but
then they met again at a friend’s house
on February 12th of 1994 and started
dating
So, we’re February 12th, 1994
Here we are
Then they’re like married
at on the spur of a moment on March 20th
at his bar the room
We talked about
this in episode 26
As I mentioned,
we’ve talked about the weddings
Okay,
so that’s March 20th
By Mar by May
10th, Drew’s filed for divorce, but
we’ve since found out um that she
married him to get a green card
So,
this was just kind of a sort of a flash
in the pan, but notable because
they literally published this this
wedding in People magazine
Like, it was
I mean, that’s where most of these
details come from
Like, it’s crazy
Like, they they really presented this to
be a true relationship
at the time
And I do think they were
dating
Drew sometimes made it sound like, oh,
it was a friend I was trying to help
out
But I think they were actually
dating
We’ve also seen
some letters that he has sold to
tabloids that she wrote to him and
they’re very much like I’m in love with
you kind of
loving ones
Yeah, they’re really sweet
He like she like wrote him poetry
Yeah, totally
But later she called him
the devil
So didn’t end well,
right
It was sounds it was really
intense
I mean obviously
Yeah
So, kind of like surrounding
that whole thing is our next
relationship
One of the cutest ones,
but also this is a really big age gap,
too
But I guess it was
This is Eric Erinsson, the guitarist of
Hole
So, he and Drew had first met um man, I
did a lot of research
I still haven’t
pinned down the exact date, but it was
either December 93 or January 94
I know
that
So, she had vomited on his shoes
outside of the music club, Jabberjaw
We’ve told this story a million times
Um, and then they ran into each other
again soon after when Hull was in town
doing the album photo shoot for Live
Through This, which Drew’s friend Ellen
von Unworth was doing
But I know, but they didn’t start dating
until Drew was in Seattle filming Mad
Love in summer 94
And some in one of
the articles we covered recently, she’s
like, “Oh, I had to go get married and
figure my out first and then I
could start dating this guy
“
I don’t think it like in my mind those
things do not overlap
I can’t I almost can’t see them
overlapping in my head
Wow, that’s
through the research of this podcast
that I’ve really like nailed down the
timeline and been like, “Whoa, that’s
weird
“
So wild
And I love that she’s like said
that like confirmed
Um, Drew and Eric were super super in
love
Like, she was crazy about him
She
talked about him with so much love in
her heart
They did live together in LA
Um, I mean, they were together for a
long time
She was constantly on tour
with Hull
And, you know, I think this
is one of our favorite eras of Drew
So,
of course, we have a certain fondness
for any photo of them together
Um, they were
last seen together on the red carpet in
April of 1996 and there was really no
explanation that I think we’ve ever seen
for their breakup
Um,
yeah
And she hasn’t really talked about
their breakup like
No, she speaks of him very with a lot of
love still
Um, but yeah, we’ve never
really heard what happened, but we can
kind of It could be because of the next
guy or there may have not have been an
overlap
We don’t really know
But it was a very tender
relationship like like you said
Um this
timeline is like our favorite like Yeah
And I had a chance to briefly meet Eric
Erson with Jolina and I told him you are
one of my my favorite boyfriends of Drew
Barrymore
And I feel like he was like
oh I love Drew
Like he’s you know of
course like it was really funny but I
told him that
I also they were like um
photographed together twice after their
breakup like at events on like on random
like
Oh, I don’t even remember
Yeah, I think one was the American
History X premiere and then the other
one was like this art show like way in
the future when she was with Will
Do
you remember this
Is it the art show that was like
Shepherd Fair’s art show
Yes, I think so
It’s cute though
We love a little
reunion between Drew and anyone from her
past
Oh my god
I mean, yeah
Speaking of uh
reunions that we love
So, Luke Wilson, we love Luke Wilson
We were just talking about him at the
top of the show because literally he
Yeah
Drew and uh Vince Gilligan
Talked to him on the phone on our show
We also were just talking about how much
we love him and Charlie’s Angels
Like
Luke comes up a lot on this show
Yes,
we love Luke
So, um, of course, as you
probably know as Drew Barrymore fans,
they were cast as love interests in both
Best Men and Home Fries, but both in
1996, which is wild
It still blows my mind that Home Fries
is from was filmed in ’96 because it
came out in ’98
But anyway,
you know what’s so funny is that, like I
said, it keeps like coming in my orbit
So I found out they were still
potentially filming in January 97 and
that blew my mind because I was like
that is a 96 filmed movie and it’s just
so silly
What it crossed over
Um and they
I this Drew has basically described that
was like love at first sight
Um if you
don’t know the quote
the camels,
right
What is it like
I would I
would follow those
Um he was wearing
brown shoes and I would follow those
across any desert or something or Yeah
camel colored shoes
Anyway,
camels
I’m butchering it
I’m butchering it
So, they were really pretty
seriously together for close to two
years
Um he said uh she said that he
broke up with her during the filming of
Never Been Kissed in summer of 1998
Um
though they were seen together
afterwards
um they continued to be on
and off for a little bit and Drew has
now we’ve heard her describe it as an
open relationship um through the end of
1999
So we don’t have like a definitive
end
Um
yeah, well I guess we kind of do when
the next guy comes in, but
that’s a good point
That’s a very good
point
Um I will just say when every
time we’ve seen Drew encounter Luke on
her show or anything, it’s the cutest
We would love to see them back together
Like
honestly, he’d probably be my number one
pick for her to get back together with
Like he is so sweet
And it I I was really like bothered when
when the media took the like open
relationship thing and ran with it like
as if that’s how it was the whole time
because in the beginning like she was
like ready to like go move to Texas and
have babies with him
Like they were
very together
I know the open relationship thing
I
mean I think it surprised us a little
bit but also because of the wording
I
think it’s just the wording
They
probably were just like, “Let’s be
casual
“
I think it was more they were on and off
at the end there for a while
And she’s just using that
to kind of describe maybe her mindset or
whatever it was
I don’t know
I don’t know
All right
Now, we have husband number
two,
Tom Green
Also, we just talked about
him a lot because so Drew had a crush on
him
She really loved his MTV show and
so she asked him to be in Charlie’s
Angels
Go watch the last episode if you
want to know more about that
So they started dating during filming in
early 2000 and they were engaged by
July
Again, these some of these
relationships just go boom boom boom
Love junkie, right
This one was just a total whirlwind
because it was like really playing out
in the media in such an extreme way and
they were like feeding into that
You
know, that was kind of Tom’s thing and
Drew was like, “All right, I guess I’m
going to be the fun girlfriend and go
along with this
” Um they dealt with him
going through testicular cancer and her
house burning down during all of this
Like it was chaos
Um so and they
were like always playing with the press
about if they were married or not or
when are they going to married
Oh, we
got married yesterday
Oh, we’re going
to get married in two weeks
Like it was
I mean they were just always messing
around with the press
But
it’s really funny
But the real thing finally did
happen on July 7th, 2001
And again, you
can go listen to our episode 26 to get
more details about their wedding
Uh,
but then Tom filed for divorce on
December 17th, 2001, citing
irreconcilable differences
That’s my
celebrity profile narrator voice I like
to bring up every once in a while
Um, irreconcilable differences
You know what I’m talking about
Yeah, of course I do
He does talk
pretty extensively in his book about,
you know, what happened there
And I
really think it comes down to just being
from two totally different worlds
And then all this like craziness that
happened during the relationship in the
media and it just, you know, was not
sustainable
Wasn’t there some We were
Maybe it was one of the articles where
she was talking a lot about like how
tumultuous it was like right after the
fire like how like
like mentally she was going through
I
mean I like Yeah
And that it was like
really intense and that they were trying
to like
I think she says like we’re fighting a
lot or something to that effect
So
yeah, I can’t imagine going through all
the stuff they went through, but he has
been on our show and they also had a
very like lovely exchange like so
I mean from everything that we know it
feels like he was actually a really
stable influence on their life which is
like not what you’d expect from this
wacky guy
Um, I think he’s one of many
who came from a very like stable, happy
family and Drew is attracted to these
guys who have that, you know, makes a
lot of sense
We’ll see it come up again
and again
Yes, we will
She craved that family
thing
Yeah,
totally
I Oh, I was going to say one
more thing about Tom Green is that I
remember when Drew started dating him
I
remember my brother saying to tease me,
she’s going to marry him
And I was like, “No, she’s not
” And
then like within the year,
Starfish, where are you going
Where are
you going, Starfish
Where are you going
again
She’s going to go see The Strokes
That’s where she’s going
Yes, she is again and again and again
Um, we also love this guy
So,
Fabitio Moretti, who uh is was Are the
strokes still a thing
Yeah, they just came to Vegas and I
couldn’t get tickets
It was like sold
out immediately
Oh, okay
So, the Strokes, the drummer
of the Strokes,
um they met backstage at Coachella when
the Strokes were playing in late April
2002
And then they were pictured together the
very next day at an event
So, like I
think it was kind of immediate with
them
Um and then it proceeded to be
Drew’s longest relationship to date,
which is so odd to think about
He was
younger than her
I think he might
right
He was a bit younger than her and
maybe Justin, too
And don’t
forget Fab and Justin have the same
birthday
Oh my god
Is it the same year or two
I don’t know
But uh just pencil this in
your mind, guys
It was June 2nd
You
might hear that date a little bit later
on in this episode
Oh my god, I forgot about that whole
thing
Okay, so that was her longest
relationship
There were always rumors
of like breakups and engagements and but
nothing was really ever confirmed
And
it seemed like their relationship was
like pretty stable throughout
Like it
seemed like a pretty like decently good
relationship
I remember like paparazzi
of them fighting, but like
Oh yeah, I forgot about that
But it is what it is
It is what it And also like that was
such a fun time to like always see
pictures of her at their shows and
they seemed very in love
Like remember
when we went to the star ceremony and he
was in the crowd like just looking at
her so proudly
And we met Fab
Don’t forget that
We’ve met him twice
Oh my god
One in once
was in Vegas
And then I The other time was at
the bowling alley
The bowling alley like everyone else is
going to know
Um do we tell that story
I’m sure we’ve told that story, but I’ll
just I’ll real quick
We went down to
universal citywalk because the Strokes
were playing and I don’t know
We were
hoping something would happen
We see
Drew
We didn’t see Drew, but this guy
from KROQ just walked up to us and
Joalena and he’s like, “Hey, do you guys
want to meet the strokes
Like, we’re
doing a meet and greet fun thing at the
Lucky Strike Bowling Alley and I have
extra passes or who even knows
” Like,
that was the power of
literally it just right
It just it just
fell on us
We manifested that just like we did
Sam Rockwell
We were just sitting
there, but we were sitting in the in the
area, you know, like we were being we
were placed very strategically
still
It was amazing
And he was super,
right
He was super sweet and I have an
amazing photograph that I took of Fab
Like,
oh my god, we have to be fun to share
that, right
Yes, we have to
It’s like one of the
best photos I’ve ever seen in my life
It’s also really weird
The reason it’s
so crazy, I’ll just tell you guys, is
the flash is somebody else’s flash
Like
my flash was not on
It’s lit by the
side
Like I think it’s there’s
something really weird that’s happening
and it’s amazing
Um and he was really
sweet every time
Like I mean the both
times it was very just like
lovely just like I don’t remember
anything we talked about
It was
probably very quick but sweet guy
Um
anyway um news of their split hit in
January 2007
So that’s like yeah
they’re they were together for almost
five years
Almost five years
Um and I don’t think
we’ve ever really gotten much
information on what happened there
Um,
oh, I guess I could say one more thing
about it
Like, don’t we know that an
illustration that he did was on the Drew
Barrymore show set for a while
Yeah, I was going to say that
I think
um I think it’s still there and got
moved, but it’s like I think she has the
original in her New York apartment
Like
I’ve seen it there and then there’s like
a blown up version on the Drew Barrymore
show set
So, they obviously there’s
still love there
I would He should come
on the show
That’d be fun
That would be fun
Something to promote
Come on, Fab
I
feel like he’s like seems shy or
something, right
Like even when we met
him, like I don’t remember any words
I
just remember sweetness
Just a cute little smile
All right
Another little cutie coming
up here
So Justin Long
He’s probably
like I’m Him and Luke are kind of equal
to me as far as like they’re so cute
I
love her with them
So Drew and Justin
had originally met through Sam Rockwell,
mutual friend, and then they started
dating
They started dating after Justin was
cast in the Flower Films He’s Just Not
That Into You film
And they were first pictured together in
September 2007
I think it was like
Austin city limits or something like
that
They spent a lot of time in Austin
together
I think that’s why I like
think something with him
Um
they were together for a little while
We definitely like saw them
They were a
picture together a lot
They were like
paparazzi, the two of them, I feel like,
more than her in any other relationship
I think a cover of like US
Weekly was them at the beach, I think
Why was that
You’re right
I think it
was People
That’s even like kind of wilder
in a way
So, they were like very much an
item, but they broke up around the time
that Whippet began filming in July 2008
Drew’s rep even confirmed it to people
And we have our theories that he was
originally supposed to have the role in
Whippet that Jimmy Fallon ended up
doing
Um I think we had heard that
somewhere along the line and it totally
makes sense if you think about it
So they broke up, but then they
started regularly being spotted together
again starting in March 2009
And then
you know continually after that they
made going the distance together that
summer
They never like confirmed they
were dating again, but it was super
obvious
Like, right,
they went to the Emmys together
Like,
he was supporting her through all the
whip it promotion
Like, even at the end
of SNL, we talked about that he’s like
right there on stage with holding hands
with her
Um, but they were last pictured together
as what feels like an official couple at
the GLAD Awards in April 2010, but then
they were still super friendly and cute
together when they promoted Going the
Distance in August of that year
But
from what I recall, they were like
definitely not together anymore at that
point
And another one that’s been on
our show and was like
multiple times, I think
And it’s like
it’s very clear that there is like
forever love between them
But I also
love how I also So sometimes I feel like
Drew goes a little hard trying to be
like, I love your wife
Like very
hard
And I know she actually does, but
what’s what’s her name
Kate Bosworth
Kate Bosworth
So it seems like you know
Justin and Kate Bosworth they seem very
very very in love but also like I think
Drew and Justin still love each other
Like they say it to each other like
there’s but not in a I don’t think
that’s anyway it’s very lovely very
tender
I I love that Drew has these
like
the positive things that like in out of
her like some of her loving
relationships like it’s lovely
I also always think about like how
she’s described that time period that
they were together as like hedonistic
Like that’s when we got her just like
wearing the most outrageous clothes and
crazy makeup on her face and they were
always going out to like concerts and
all kinds of stuff
Like it’s
Do we have a 2009 episode where we talk
about Yes
So you can hear us talk
about all the wacky outfits
And I feel like
fun year
she got something like out of her system
and that’s sort of like
the page turns to take a
yes
phrase for MC G
right so big page turning to Drew
meeting the father of her children
So,
we are talking about Will Kopelman
Um,
always just described as an art dealer,
whatever that means,
right
Um, from a wealthy New York
family with ties to Chanel
I think it’s
like, yeah, it’s a whole there’s money
on that in that family
And, you know,
Drew is a famous person, has plenty of
money on her own
So, you know, I have
this feeling like there I mean, it’s
very different
There’s a very different
like old money feeling
There’s like a
society thing
With his family that I get that I think
and I’m speculating, but I feel like she
never felt she lived up to it
Does that make sense
I I think I agree with you
I think she
never fully felt comfortable or felt
like it was like Yeah
Whether it was
living up to it or what it was
I Yeah,
this is a this is obviously a hard
relationship for a couple of reasons
So, let’s let’s just get into a little
bit more
So, um, they had met and gone
on a date a few years earlier, but
nothing came of it
That’s so
interesting to me that they had like me,
too
tried it before and then and then they,
um, reunited at a party at the actress
Lake Bell’s house
There was a cute
story on her show about that, right
Um, and they were spotted together for
the first time at a root show in
February of 2011
I always remember this picture and being
like, who’s this frat boy looking guy
with Drew
Like, he does not look like
her type
I don’t even remember it
Like
I’m not I’m not remembering the like
first look and even looking back at it
now I’m like oh this is funny
You you
wouldn’t know that he is like a wealthy
quote unquote art dealer
So then pretty quickly
So
they announced their engagement um in
January of 2012
I guess that’s almost a
year
So that’s quite a while
That’s true
Um but it’s it’s still relatively
quickly
Um, I do remember thinking that
every time they were like pictured
together, she did feel very
polished in a different way, right
Like
it did feel like she was really trying
Trying to be this like
mature Chanel girl
Um, so they were they were um engaged by
January of 2012 and they were full uh
photographed holding an ultrasound in
February
So basically it was like
shotgun wedding
Is that what you call
that
But very sweet
I know you’ve we talked
about with the wedding
I know you said
it’s your least favorite wedding dress,
but I do think it’s very sweet that
she’s pregnant and you can see that
she’s pregnant and it’s absolutely
it’s sweet
Um they were married on June 2nd
Oh, what’s that date
Which happens to be the birthday of two
ex-boyfriends of Drews
And they welcomed baby Olive on
September 26th
So her family, this is
the thing that she I think I think that
was probably huge for her
Absolutely
I mean, we know it was
I think it was like this guy has an
amazing family and I want to start a
family and time is running out and like
I’m ready to do this
Like I think she
said at one point way back in the day
like one of the only things she hasn’t
rushed into is being a mom
Like she was
waiting for the right moment and this is
when it presented itself to her
She was gathering information like
butterflies in a net
Butterfly net
So then they welcomed their
second child Frankie on April 22nd of
2014
So just a couple less than a
couple years later
And then by April
2016, they had filed for divorce
So um
they released a joint statement to
people
I remember think this was very
beautifully done
But it’s also kind of heartbreaking, you
know
So it says, “Sadly, our family is
separating legally, although we do not
feel this takes away from us being a
family
Divorce might make one feel like
a failure, but eventually you start to
find grace in the idea that life goes
on
Our children are our universe and we
look forward to living the rest of our
lives with them as the first priority
I know that’s beautiful and it feels
true
I mean for at least for a couple
years they seem to be very much
co-parenting like going to like holidays
together and all that stuff
I think
that has sort of
faded a bit in recent years which makes
sense
He’s remarried
They have
you know he has another child and
another one on the way
right
But um yeah, I mean Drew moved to
New York to have her daughters be closer
to him and his family like
right, you know, it’s it’s a real
it’s it’s huge
But she’s also said that
her girls are the most amazing thing
that’s ever happened to her
I don’t get
the sense that Will that there was
anything like wrong with Will
I just
think that
it wasn’t the right fit for her
Yeah, that’s a great way to put it
And
you know, we know that her divorce from
him was literally like the hardest thing
she’s ever gone through
Like she said
like she thought going to rehab at 13
was like the lowest she could go
It’s that was even lower
Um which
is just crazy
So I’m glad that there
seems to be some peace there
Um but you know, she hasn’t really dated
much since with one little exception
This guy always gets left out of the
story, but let’s just briefly touch on
this
All right, so David Hutchinson, who
worked at Mesa, which was the parent
company of Flower Beauty, she started
being spotted with him in April 2017,
and there were even like times where he
was pictured with her and her daughter,
so couldn’t have been too casual unless
he was just like a friend hanging out
Um, but by June of that year, 2017, it
was being reported by Page 6 and people
that they were dating and Drew had like
tagged him in some of her Instagram
captions at the time
They also went to Tony Crago’s wedding
together
So, they were a thing
Um,
August 2017 seems to be the last time
that we really saw them together
I got
tired of going through every single
folder that we have
But um he like came
with a group on a private jet for Chris
Miller’s birthday
So that was like the
last time that I really noticed
But
yeah, it’s interesting
He’s always kind
of left out of the story
Like she
always says like, “I’ve never dated
since my divorce
” And I’m like, “Oh,
sorry, David
“
But maybe it’s like, you know, she
didn’t really find any of the people
that she’s been on dates with, including
him,
to be serious enough maybe to
I don’t know
Yeah,
I don’t know
But yeah, we’ve got that
little thing that is a blip that she
almost seems to have forgotten
And it’s
crazy that that was so long ago
Like
we’re talking over eight years and
there’s that’s the end of the list
Like
that is the end of the list
But guys,
there’s good news because Drew has like
openly said she’s single and happy to be
single
I mean, I think she feels like
she says like if the right time comes,
the right person comes
like, but she’s
really been pretty open about being
single for the last 8 years, as you
said
Um, she speaks on her show a lot
about like going on dates, but like
nothing ever really turning into
anything notable
I always get
my hopes up, but then I’m like, “Oh,
that didn’t happen
But she, like I said, she’s
pretty happy with her current life
Um,
she has said like she isn’t really sure
she wants to invite anyone into it
like
she’s like it’s kind of lovely the way
it is
Um but always open
She’s like, you know, she loves love
Did you see um recently when Ross told
her that he had somebody that he wanted
to introduce her to and she seemed
intrigued and excited and I trust Ross’
judgment
He seems like a great person
to set her up with someone
But I also love that he like seemed like
he had the epiphany on the air
Or like to tell her on the air
Yeah, for sure
That was I mean that’s cute
I
mean we’ll see what happens
I mean
we’ll see
We’re always rooting for her,
you know
It’s like
wherever her happiness is, but it it is
exciting when she’s got a partner, you
know, it’s a whole different thing as a
fan
But yeah, if she just wants to be
single, I mean, let’s hear what she had
to say just recently um to the audience
at the Drew Barrymore Show
One thing I do know about being single,
and I have been single for so many
years, like eight I think years, is that
one day it might be gone
I think it’s
an amazing time to enjoy your time
because before you know it, someone’s
going to walk into your life and that’ll
be all different from there on out
So,
who’s ever single out there, enjoy this
time because before you know it, at some
point you’ll be sharing a life with
someone
It would be a disaster and a
waste to not love the time you get to
yourself
I do really enjoy being
single
That’s perfect
Yeah, it’s a great way to sum it up
Yeah, perfect sentiment to describe
where she is after this uh kind of
flurry of love
throughout her life
Um, yeah, Drew, we
love you
We support your love of love,
whether you’re single or in a
relationship
All right, cool
So, we did it
There’s
your list, guys
If you uh you know, we
might eventually go in deeper on some of
these relationships
That’s kind of the
plan
But um we sort of realized we need
this like overarching
definitive list
As I said, I was
telling Anne before we started recording,
it sort of reminds me of our tattoos
episode where it’s like we need to just
put out the record of when they all
happened and why and then you know that
it’ll all be there for someone to enjoy
We want to be the source
So, we’re
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I’m an
and I’m Ashley and we are the giggle
girls
And I was like I’m in such a good
mood right now and also we like I know
and it’s it’s good but we also have to
start this episode on kind of a little
bit of a dark note but maybe it’s good
that we’re bringing a lot of heart to
it
So, before we get into this little
girl lost wrap-up, which is like a big
deal, we wanted to take a moment to
dedicate this episode to someone
special
Um, somebody in the Drewie
community who a lot of you know, um, Bob
James Monday
um, passed away earlier this year and we
haven’t had a moment to mention it and
it just felt like this is a time maybe a
lot of people will be coming here to
listen to this episode and
we know him as James
James, we loved
him
Um, I mean, we can kind of go into
the background for those of you who
don’t know who he is
So, James was the husband of Missy
and James and Missy, from what I recall,
they actually met because she hired him
to help her start a Drew fan site
That’s what I remember,
which is so like
just there’s Drew being someone else’s
origin story, right
And um we’re talking this is like mid
’90s and Missy ran these incredible fan
sites and the grapevine which was the
message board where Ann and I met and so
many of our other Drewie friends
So it
was a very sweet wonderful community
Um
I like to think that sort of like the
spirit of their websites are like
totally in the DNA of everything Ann and
I do
the Drew and How You Drew
It is
like we are trying to keep that, you
know, that spirit alive of what we used
to feel back in the late 90s and early
2000s
Absolutely
I couldn’t agree more
Like
I think it’s we we’ve mentioned like
Missy a bunch here and there, but I
think that like unless you were like
there with us, you might not even
realize how formative that all was
And
it has everything to do with Missy and
James
And we wouldn’t I mean we
wouldn’t even know each other let alone
anything else but like I don’t think we
would be doing this without like what
they had built you know
like because it built like such a
foundational like grooiness in us that
it’s like that is like
totally
who I am it’s foundational like I don’t
know everything about it like built our
love for each other and Drew and anyway
totally
it was it’s important for us to mention
here if you knew James some people know
him as Bob a lot of people in his
regular life knew him as Bob, but I got
a chance to meet James
I’m so glad that happened
I
think it was in 2014
I was trying to
remember the year
But um Missy and
James went to Disneyland and I got a
chance to meet them both and spend a few
hours with them with Jolina and I’m so
grateful that that happened
And Missy,
if you’re out there, we’re just sending
like so much love your way
To their whole family
like
it’s been really heartbreaking and we
just we’ve we’ve been trying to find the
right episode to dedicate to him
So
because Little Girl Lost is just such a
like OG Drooy thing I guess I feel and
because of what we accomplished with
this episode which like would never have
happened without what they built
Oh my god
I just Yeah, we want to dedicate this
episode to the memory of him
So
we miss you
We miss you
We miss that community and
I’m so glad a lot of us are still here,
including us
Okay, should we take a take a turn
Yeah, let’s take a big turn
Get into
some Drew stuff
It all relates, guys
Yeah, it’s all
that’s all we’re here to talk about
ever,
right
So, um, let’s talk about this new
old discovery
Uh, so wild
We love a new old discovery,
right
So, in 1981, Drew apparently did
a commercial for a Canadian restaurant
called Smitties and they what
Like just
posted it on their Instagram
Just this past week
Um, it is so cute
Like, we didn’t even know this existed
We know that Drew did a lot of
commercials as a child and we probably
know of like seven
There’s probably so
many more still undiscovered, right
Um,
yeah, she’s in this really cute like tap
dancing outfit and she’s got like a
puppet
It’s a little confusing
I don’t
really understand the premise, but at
the very end, it like cuts away to her
sitting in the restaurant with her mom,
Jade
I’m like, “Oh, of course she had
to get her stuff
“
Of course
I’m actually going to play it
cuz it’s short enough and the audio is
really cute
So, let’s listen to it
[Music]
That’s good
That’s good
That’s better
Has quick
service
Come to make
[Music]
[Laughter]
It’s so it’s really cute
She It’s
really kind of hard to see hear what
she’s saying cuz she’s almost like
so young
She’s like
strong
It’s given a little bit of that
It’s like It’s like earlier than that
So it’s like right
I mean it’s how much
earlier than that
probably probably
just a little bit, maybe a couple
months
I don’t know
Yeah, it’s close
It’s so cute
So, you guys have to go
check it out cuz it’s adorable
Like,
yeah, we will link to it on the episode
page on how todrew
So, new old stuff is always going to get
us excited
This is my favorite thing in the world
New old stuff
It’s the best
It’s the best
Talking
about things we love
Oh, great segue
Tell us what Drew proclaimed her love
for recently
I love
Okay, none of these should be a
surprise
Drew loves a suit
Yeah, of course
She loves Steven Colbear’s wife as we
She loves to proclaim that, too
Yeah, it’s easy here
And did you know this
She loves her
children
Can you believe it
I can’t believe it
Also, like she must
have just not said it in those exact
words for it to be new, right
I double checked the list
It wasn’t on
there
I mean, if you guys don’t realize, these
are all new things
If you haven’t
looked at the site, there’s this really
adorable page that Ashley’s curated of
all the links that Drew’s proclaimed her
love for since we started this podcast
It’s pretty fun
So, I always go double
check it
I’m like always on that page
And most of the time I’m like
already got it
Like I think we had mac
and cheese way late in the game and we
were super surprised
So, let’s get back into it
So,
what did you pull for the Druism of the
week
you know those cool little isms
that we do
Okay, this is Drew talking as she has
many many many many times about how she
is really learning how to stop speaking
to herself in an unkind way
And then I just this is all new to me
So I’m like a wobbly calf that just got
born
[Laughter]
I love how her wobbly calf sounds like
her turkey sound
That’s perfect
So cute,
guys
This is one of our favorite
things
All right, so we have some other
really fun stuff
And guys, it has to do
with us
So that’s kind of fun
Let’s go to our
mailbox
You’ve got mail
Okay, the first one comes from
Instagram
Some comments from DGirl424
and they say, “How did I not know about
you until tonight
Hello from your new
follower and podcast subscriber
You
will literally make my days so happy
I
can’t even begin to tell you how much
I’ve needed this in my life
Thank you, D girl
I hope you’re
listening so you can hear us shouting
you out and like
and thanks for finding us
Yeah, absolutely
Um, all right
This
other one is like so sweet
It’s one of
those like that when we get them this is
like this is why we do this, right
I was just thinking about that
So, this is um a DM on Instagram
from the podcast All the Film Things
Also, that it’s another podcast is
always so cool
All right
So, hi Ann and Ashley
My
name is Elizabeth and I just wanted to
say I love your podcast
I listened to
your Melan Monroe episode and thoroughly
enjoyed it from the research you put
into it to your dynamic as longtime
friends and fans of Drew
Your passion
for her is clear, but I especially loved
how you both exuded the same upbeat,
bubbly demeanor that Drew naturally has
Like Drew, you brighten people’s days
through your podcast
So, I look forward
to listening to your podcast more and
more
If you can see our faces right now,
we’re just like
I know we’re both like
try not to cry
That’s so sweet
So sweet
So sweet
It’s why we do it
Throw that in here, please
Yeah, sure
So sweet
[Laughter]
Elizabeth, thank you
Also, Elizabeth
and I have been DMing a little bit more
and we’re talking about maybe guesting
on her podcast
So, yeah
Oh, that’s very cool
Um, but yes,
thank you so much, Elizabeth
We do
it for you
She’s definitely like one of us
You
know what I mean
Like tell by her
One of us
All right
Um, we’re going to go to the
kind comments corner
We were kind of
just there, but we’re going to go to
Drew’s
So, here we go
So sweet
Any excuse to use that sound clip
It’s adorable
Okay, this is a comment
on an Instagram video of Drew meeting a
therapist in the Drew Barrymore Show
audience who told Drew that she had
always been her role model
Totally get
that
So, the comment is from
froggy bun
Adorable name
It
says, “What I love about Drew is that
she has likely heard sentiments like
this over and over again throughout her
life
This woman is not the first person
to tell her, “You’ve been my role model
But it doesn’t matter because Drew still
absorbs what she’s saying and really
listens
She receives the compliment and
it moves her to tears
Drew has also
been my role model for this very reason
She is so real
She doesn’t allow being
rich and famous to keep her from having
real connections with real people
I mean absolutely 100% the 100 emoji
stamp
Yeah, stamp right on that
Um, I mean, I
guess I’ll just like just comment about
that particular thing is like Drew does
not realize that she’s Drew Barrymore
Like, she knows it, but like her
security, I think we’ve mentioned this
before, like told me like,
yeah, I have to constantly like try to
tell her stop like like touching people,
like stop like letting people hug you
and like and anyway, she she’s not going
to stop doing that because that’s her
She’s
No, that’s why we love her
and she is that
That is that is her
Anyway, great
comment, Froggy Bun
Also, great name
Let’s go back in time a little
bit and see who pulled for this week in
Drew history
September 9th, 2002
Very recent
to us, right
So recent
There was filming that happened on
the beach at Zuma Beach in Malibu
Back to the beach, guys
Back to the beach water
If you know, you know
the beach scene
of Charlie’s Angel’s Full Throttle
So,
we get those hot dog on a stick
costumes
Cameron’s in a bikini to surf
Deme Moore shows up for the first time
Is Drew Annie in that
Yes, that’s the one where she’s Annie on
her name tag
I’m pretty sure
Just for you
Actually, I think it was like a
reference to the movie Foxes
Is that
right
That sounds familiar
Okay,
it’s Foxes
Um, this was a very big
deal
FE filming had like just kicked
off
I think we’d only gotten like a
couple other pictures before this one
Um, what’s to say
It was just, this was
such a big deal
It was amazing
I mean, you already mentioned Demi
Moore
The Demi Moore thing was huge cuz
like what
She hadn’t done a movie in a
long time and she was like in a bikini
It was a huge deal
She was 40 in a bikini
So, also just
have to like if you don’t know what the
hot hot hot dig on a stick costume is,
like if you haven’t like if you don’t
like remember that off the top of your
head, it’s like worth looking that up
Yeah, we’ll definitely share some
pictures
What’s one of the coolest things that is
worth talking about in this is what from
the flower press like magazines randomly
and uh wildflower
that’s where these pictures appeared
So incredibly beautiful selfies of
Drew in the mirror
When you look at
them at first, like I think we both
thought like, oh my god, these are from
like n the early 90s because she’s got
curly blonde hair
Yeah, I thought like Bad Girls era
I
thought like 93,
right
Totally tricked me
You can’t really tell in that picture
You can tell in the movie, but
Right
Those pictures are beautiful
They’re black and white
They’re taken
with her like camera that I also love
And she also, one of the cutest things
in the scene is she’s got um the word
crush with a star written on her arm
So, it’s like I think a couple times in
this movie, she’s got stuff written on
her arm
There’s one other I can’t think of what
it says off the top of my head, but when
they do the like dance scene in uh
Natalie’s new place when they’re moving
in, there’s something on her arm in
that
Drew loves riding on her arms
If
you guys don’t know,
there’s also something on her arm in the
um dirt, not the dirt bike
Oh, yeah
That one says Jerk the monster
truck,
right
Yeah, she was definitely really into the
name, the writing on the arm for that
movie
Yeah, she was
Okay, so there’s so much
in this episode before we get to like an
amazing episode
So, let’s let’s uh run
through a couple more like great things
worth mentioning, though
So, what’s new
with Drew
Here we go with the news,
everybody
So, as I correctly
predicted in our last episode,
finally there is a new Love Drew segment
in US Weekly
If you guys don’t know
what that is, basically since Drew
magazine folded at the end of last year,
they are now doing these mini versions
of that in US Weekly
It’s supposed to
be quarterly
So, um, the September 1st
issue
on my library, John Stamos is on the
cover, but you found it in person and
and Taylor Swift and whatever the Kelchi
dude is
They’re on the cover
We don’t even know
Couldn’t care less
They’re on the cover on mine with a
little like John Stamos in the corner
Anyway,
okay
So, check check your issues
Um,
there’s 11 full pages, which is amazing
Yeah,
I know
Oh, and it has all those same
features from Drew magazine
So, there’s
like her playlist, there’s a travel
feature, must have products, Dear Drew
advice column
So, yeah, check it out
There’s new photos taken by Ramona
Rosales um that apparently are for
Flower Eyewear, even though we cannot
determine that that’s actually a thing
I I think that they just like take
things for Barrymore brands and then
they use them everywhere
That’s totally
how it feels
It makes sense
There’s like a part of
me that doesn’t like it because new
stuff
And it just feels like
disorganized
It’s the way that I organize things
I feel like it feels dishonest
Let’s just talk about how much we hate
it
We love Drew
We love this love Drew
segment
It’s so fun
I mean, I know
Um, I do think there was a really like
touching response in one of the Dear
Drew letters that like got me
I
remember thinking that I mean they
always are great
So anyway, check it
out
I mean, if you have a
library card, a lot of libraries have
these for free, right
I mean, digitally I’ve been that’s
where I got all the images
Yeah, you
can look at the whole thing on through
your library, which is great
Anyway, go libraries
Okay, here we go
We got more
I’m not
gonna read this full list, but a lot of
the guests that are announced for season
six of the Drew Barrymore Show um have
come out
There’s some good ones
The
show will already be back by the time
this episode comes out
But uh just real
quick, Katherine Zeta Jones, Michael
Douglas, Jennifer Aniston, Jessica
Chastain,
David Letterman,
definitely excited about that and
feeling very inspired about that right
now
See what that means later
Anybody else
on this list you want to shout out
I mean, did you say Martha Stewart
I
feel like that’s kind of always a good
guest,
but she comes on a lot
But
does she I don’t know
So, I feel
like it’s fun
I’m excited to see David
Letterman on her show
Has he been on at
all
He surprised her on her birthday
The
first time they did a birthday episode
for her, he surprised her
and it was amazing
And it was so like
full circle because of his birthday, the
flashing
And again, I’m inspired
That’s gonna come up a little bit more
So, a little couple more fun things
because Drew just can’t stop right now
The drought is over, guys
Hibernation
has been complete
She is out of the
cave
Drew drought over
Drew drought
I feel
like there’s got to be another word in
there that makes it aiteration
Drew Drew drought is done
Drew drought is done
Also, the Drew
drought departure has happened
Say that five times fast
Drew drought departure
Drew has been announced as a presenter
for the Video Music Awards, which feels
like so random and it’s been so random
Is the last time like definitely the
next
There was like a virtual one
I don’t
even know what these shows are like
anymore
Hopefully hopefully this isn’t
virtual
I guess we can’t say for sure
Um,
yeah
I mean, nothing’s ever going to
compare to 1995 when she showed up in
that black gown and that blonde wig and
presented to like
So, I guess this is this happening this
weekend
We’re recording before it’s
happening
Well, maybe you’ll have
something to say about it next week
I
mean,
hopefully
I mean, yeah, if it was really cute,
hopefully
Um,
if it sucks, we won’t even mention it
again
We will not mention it
But, um,
speaking of cute stuff, there’s another
commercial for Garnier
I feel like it’s
maybe been a little while since they’ve
done them
And this one is like for the
National Parks Foundation and it’s so
cute
I’m such a big fan of the National
Parks and it’s adorable
They probably filmed it at the same time
as the other one where she has like the
big postcards, remember
It’s like
a continuation of that, but adorable
It’s totally cute
Like the
jean shirt is really cute
She’s wearing
like a big belt
I don’t know
It’s
adorable
Anyway, very cute
Another thing to look
online for
It’s adorable
Um it’s an
ad, but it’s adorable and we love Drew
So, it’s all right if she just keeps
doing these collabs, right
Um, all
right
And then, uh, we still have a
couple more things, guys
So, there
there’s because the show has is coming
out with a new season, they have new,
um, artwork for the Drew Barrymore show
Well, clearly they are in our DMs
because I was messaging or our texts
because I was messaging you complaining
that I can’t believe they haven’t
released new image for the new season
They’re so lazy
And then
and then there it is
Well, I and I said something like,
oh yeah,
I think I said something like, “Oh, they
wouldn’t want to lose the mac and cheese
vibes of the old of the old photo shoot,
and then the new one is exactly the same
colors
It looks just like craft mac and
cheese
“
I mean, someone is definitely reading
our messages
That’s all I can say
That’s the only explanation
No, it’s
beautiful
She looks great
She looks great
I love the I was just
going to say that, Ashley
I was going
to say I love the velvety shoes
Like
it’s the velvety that makes him so cool
Anyway, she’s looking beautiful as
always,
guys
Again, share that on the episode page as
well if you missed it, but it’s on
Drew’s Instagram, so you probably saw
it,
right
And I don’t know if we’re talking
fast enough, but we got one more cool
thing
Oh my god
Okay, so last night, as of this
recording, Drew was a surprise last
minute guest on Late Show with Steven
Cobear, which is always fun
They have a
great connection
And because this is
funny again, someone’s listening to us
It’s the universe
The last time she
went there, we were talking about how we
never really realized that they film in
the Ed Sullivan’s uh theater, which is
where Letterman was filmed
So like so much history there
So, she brings it up and she’s
talking about how she had so much great
time with Letterman in that studio and
uh she’s trying to do the dance
She’s
like even says, “You want me to do a
little dance
“
I promise you
I don’t I promise you
that was just a joke
Says almost exactly
Must have watched it right beforehand
And she gets up on that desk and does
not flash him
But she dances
Well, she dances and it’s so cute
So,
so cute
and underneath this like
adorable I love the outfit she was
wearing
Um those shoes were really darn
cute
She w takes them off, gets on the
desk, takes off or I guess she takes off
this jacket thing first and on the back
of the shirt is like bedazzled we love
Steven
It’s so cute
Matthew Kilgore did that
Of course
I kept seeing him post it
Oh, is Col Bear ending
It’s like and it’s pretty like
I know it’s pretty weird and like they
don’t understand why and he might have
said something about Trump, right
Problematic that it’s CBS
Yeah, that’s
a whole another story
It’s somewhat political
Maybe Colbear
is beloved
So, people are up in arms,
including she loves Steven
Um anyway,
it was so cute
We can’t get over how
cute it is
Well, we’re going to talk
more about this, guys
Um yeah, the only other note I made, um
their conversation’s great, so go watch
it
But um I was a little shocked
because we are deep in Little Girl Lost
as you’re about to hear
I was a little shocked to hear her just
openly tell the story about hiding weed
under a Motel 6 mattress in New Orleans
during an RV trip and forgetting it
there
And we know she went there in 96
with Nancy on their RV trip
There’s a
chapter in Wildflower about it
So, I
was like, it was just a little jarring
cuz, you know, we are talking so much
and her breaking her sobriety by smoking
pot and like, “Oh, this is so weird
“
I also feel like maybe it’s because like
I don’t know
I feel like I am surprised
to like know that Drew smoked then, but
also like not at all
Yeah, totally
That’s exactly how I
feel
It’s surprising and it’s not,
right
But it’s also like such a fun
little fact to just be casually tossed
out when we’re going to get into the
drama
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All right, so let’s get into the weekly
topic
Um, we have been working on this
weekly topic for a year and a half
I
mean, literally, if you look at like all
the work we’ve done, if you’ve been
following on Patreon, I hope that you
have
If you haven’t, let me just like
put a little reminder
So, yeah
So, we have covered the
entire Little Girl Lost book chapter by
chapter
So, we have 16 episodes like
literally deep diving on each chapter
over there
Um, and it’s all in honor of
its 35th anniversary, which is this
year, which is crazy
Yeah, we tried to wrap up this by J by
uh February, so it would like be the
anniversary
That didn’t quite happen,
but we still made it in under the under
the wire
We we still did it, guys
We still did
it
But if you want all that, if you
want all that information that we d like
dug out that Ashley like literally like
pulled out of the dregs um nitty-gritty
details, named names like they, you
know, they use like fake names in this
um
yeah,
excerpts from the chapters because we’re
not going to read a lot of it here
We
just have so much to get through um and
lots of like our personal opinions and
all that stuff
you have to go to
Patreon because you’re there’s so much
and we are like
this the like select few that have
listened
Thank you for hearing it all
and you’re just going to hear a summary
of it now
But and guys, it’s a dollar a
month and you’ll get not only the 16
exclusive episodes going through every
chapter, but a lot of like supplementary
stuff, magazine articles and photos that
go along with this
Um,
we did a lot of work
We’ve
been just enjoying this project
immensely
And now we’re gonna wrap it
up in like a giant summary with an
unbelievably special ending
Like I mean, do we even like tease it
here
I don’t know if we do
If you’re
looking at the title, you know what’s
going on
We won’t even say it
Maybe
we’ll say it in a minute
So,
trigger warnings
I know we’re in such a
good mood, but like also if you know
anything about Little Girl Loss, it’s
about what Drew went through as a like
recovering alcoholic drug abuser
So, it
goes over I don’t know why I’m laughing
Abuse, addiction, self harm, and talks
of suicide
So, this is all just putting
it out there
You know, this is an
intent
I’m
going to do a little content warning
Um I mean, let’s just read the
front of the book blurb
Right there on
the front of the book, it says, “A child
star descent into addiction and out
again
” We could just wrap it up with
that
Should we even like talk more than
that
It kind of sums it all up
Let’s just not even do the show
Bye, guys
Um I think the back of the book
because it, you know, we’re going to
summarize it, but also like it’s
interesting what they decided was like,
you know, eye-catching
So the first
thing is a quote by Drew from the book
It says, “I had my first drink at 9:00,
began smoking marijuana at 10:00, and at
12 took up cocaine
“
Also,
just to be that person,
her first drink was at the Fire Starter
Rap Party, which would have been 1983,
which would have made her eight
Just
saying
It’s wrong on the back of the book
But Drew never knows how old she was or
when things happened
So, we’ll give her
a pass
She didn’t know then
So, I’m
going to read the kind of like summary
on the back of the book
It says,
“Six-year-old Drew Barrymore became
America’s adored child star as the
wideeyed muppet Gertie in the film ET
Three years later, Drew succumbed to the
addictions that had haunted the
Barrymore family for generations
As Drew’s acting career took off, doors
opened for the ch charming star,
including the doors of late night clubs,
where soon she was a party girl trying
desperately to keep up with her older
friends
“
Yeah, if you want to hear how much
older, go to Patreon
Out of control, she used drinks and
drugs to numb her painful feelings,
often to the point of passing out
Drew
Barrymore began the process of
rebuilding her self-esteem at a
rehabilitation clinic at age 13
One more blurb says, “Little Girl
Lost is written from the heart of a
young girl whose experience mirrors that
of many young boys and girls whose lives
are tragically changed when they turn to
drugs or alcohol
Day by day, Drew
Barrymore’s making it
She knows other
kids can make it, too
” It’s pretty
helpful
And I have to say it’s
been a really long time since I’ve read
that like in depth, which sounds so
silly because we’ve been like combing
through this book
But
but yeah,
it’s very um telling that that’s how it
ends because the whole point of her
writing this book was not only to tell
her own side of the story, but she
wanted to help other kids with similar
problems
So, I love that that’s right
there on the cover of the book
So, a little bit of
background on the book before we do like
a summary, which we’ll say is quick, but
it’s probably not going to be so quick
because a lot of happens
So, Drew first did an article
about her issues for People magazine
It
was for a cover feature that came out
for their January 16th, 1989 issue
She
did that with Todd Gold
Little asterisk right there, little pin
mark
Um, and that led into them doing
the book together
So Todd has parts in
the books that are like third person
insets
There’s most of the book is, you
know, from Drew’s POV
There’s also a
couple segments with her mother Jade’s
POV, which are interesting to say the
least
Um, so Drew began working with
Todd on the book at the very end of 1988
when she was fresh out of treatment, not
for the last time sadly, and they spent
eight months together tape recording her
recollections of everything that
happened
So, we kind of learned
recently
It doesn’t really sound like
maybe Drew was there pen to paper except
for some of her um writings from the
hospital that she had to do as
assignments, but she’s sitting down with
Todd and telling him everything and he
is, you know, essentially ghostriting
for her
And the prologue of the book
immediately lets the reader know that
she was hoping to end it with this like
happily ever after, but um she had
relapsed and two more chapters were
added to the end of the book
So they
like I think we’re pretty much like
ready to go and then we going to we’re
going to retool this and she wanted to
be honest which is amaz I love that the
book just starts off tells you right
from the start before you even get into
it
I mean this book is cool guys
It really
is
You know, like it’s pretty cool that we
have this
It’s sad that it’s a it’s
recounting a story of a child who went
through something, but this child became
Drew Barrymore
Drew Barrymore, you
know, like,
and when you read what she went through
and read the state of mind she’s in from
the majority of the book and then you
reconcile that with the woman she is
today and all of her success and all of
her happiness and positivity, it’s just
like, how could anyone not be inspired
by her
A real survival story
We’re going to just kind of flow through
the book
Like we said, we’re not going
to pull like actual quotes
There are
some really great ones
So anyway, so
the book opens with some happy memories
of working on ET and then like hard cut
to droop being in treatment and the
National Inquirer breaking the story as
her addiction struggles
If you guys
don’t know what the National Enquirer
is, it’s a a tabloid, but it’s like
tabloid
It’s like tabloid rag mag like
it’s like TMZ before TMZ existed,
right
And it was like I mean I think it
was like weekly on every freaking news
stand
Is it still on the news stand
I don’t know
I’ll go tell you when I
look for US weekly
Interesting
Anyway, it’s like so like
synonymous with like tabloid
Um anyway, so they broke the story
It
It’s messed up
So um the book goes into
some general backstory about Drew’s
family history with addiction and how
Drew began smoking, drinking, and using
drugs
Um and as well as Jade’s part in
everything
So it kind of just like
almost summarizes it, I guess
Um then the book goes on to describe
what life was like in the hospitals ASAP
program
Um we go into like a lot about
like where this place is and all that in
the in the um Patreon
Ashley like dug
she dug
I’ll just say when Drew visits it on the
Drew Barrymore show in season two, they
went to the wrong place
Just say that
So if you want to know
the right place and why they got it
confused, go to Patreon
There is one quote here,
I guess
So Drew explains why she
wanted to share her story
This is
exactly what you were saying about the
back of the book
Says, “I didn’t want
to be considered another Hollywood
tragedy
That’s the last thing I am
I’m
a success
That’s why I decided to tell
my story
If I had learned anything,
it’s always better to tell the truth
And by doing so, maybe it will help
other kids not to end up like me
Oh, so sweet
All right, so the book
gets into more about the Barrymore
family history
We all know those
stories
Um, it talks about her very
early life as a baby being raised just
by her mother, Jade
Um, and how she got
into acting
There’s a whole the whole
puppy food commercial story bit on the
nose
Um, there’s stuff about Suddenly
Love, the TV movie that she did
And it
gets into how Drew was just absolutely
determined to be an actress despite what
the book tells us were Jade’s
reservations
So, this was all against
Jade’s will
No, go take a nappy
Yeah, go take a nappy
No, I want to be an actress
Like I was just like quoting this
people, what the hell are they talking
about
Anyway,
you gota you got to be in on our jokes
There’s a lore to our podcast now
Um, and then we get this story of Drew’s
first memory of her dad at age three
And it is very violent, very scary, and
that is like how she first comes to meet
him
And he pretty much stays very much
that way throughout her whole childhood
And we’re continuing on Drew’s
career
So, at age four, Drew gets her
first feature film role in the movie
Altered States, which is like sci-fi
I
need I feel like I need to rewatch it
I
might actually appreciate it weirdly
now
Yeah, you know, it’s pretty wild
Maybe we go over one of those weird like
those couple weird movies at some point
Like Bogey and Altered States
double feature,
right
So, um it starts to
explain in the book why Drew loves
acting so much
This is something we
know about her
like
this is like something that stuck with
her her whole life and still sticks with
her
whole life
Um Drew loved acting so much
because there was a feeling of belonging
with this onset family, quote unquote
Um and this is like it literally like
she’s called it a tribe
She calls her a
work family
Like she really this is
this became her family
Um, Drew felt
extremely lonely at home and it explains
that Jade was constant at work and um,
Drew had this longing for her dad
She
just wanted a presence
I think, you
know,
didn’t have to be him
No,
I mean, in a way, you know, it’s like
she was the idea of a dad
The figure
She was looking
for that figure always
That’s a theme
um she finally got to spend a little
time a little time with her dad and he
ended up being abusive and putting her
hand in a candle flame
So hence yeah maybe he wasn’t the right
person that she needed to be around but
she guess she had to learn this lesson
by literally being burned
And then go
he’s trying to say like is he trying to
tell her like anyway
Oh, he’s saying like pain is in
your mind
His all that kind of like
rambling BS he used to do
Like I know him but we know
we do kind of feels Buddhist, you know
He’s like kind of like in your mind
The flickering Buddha in the in the
corner
Like those are all his kind of
things he would say
So um Drew said she fell in love with
the script for ET and easily landed the
part of the little sister Gertie
We
know that there was a whole like
interviewed for poltergeist and then got
easy
That whole thing
they interviewed me for Poltergeist
She’s not really like the girl in the
park
I could do little Drew all day
Yeah, you could
Um and of
course we know we know people know
Maybe maybe we know but other people
don’t know
Uh Drew had the best time
filming ET
Um, Stephen, speaking of
father figures, um, Drew had Steven
Spielberg on the set of this and he was
really one of the first adults who felt
like that parental figure in her mind
She sort of like saw him
I don’t know
He he brought himself down to like
the child level and like hit them in the
face
Like that was that’s what people
know about Steven Spielberg
And I think it’s important that we
dis if you’re new here, we dispel the
myth
He was not her godfather who just
put put her in his movie
They didn’t
have they didn’t know each other
He became a godfather type figure in her
life because they bonded on this movie
She’s the reason he wanted to have kids
He saw she was lacking very much in
structure and family and he took on that
role symbolically
So just to set the
record straight
Is proverbial like the right word to
use
I don’t know
I don’t know
Um, but anyway, yes, thank
you for saying that
So, Jade quits her jobs and her
own like struggling acting career that
have been going on and becomes Drew’s
full-time manager
And then ET comes out and they were
totally unprepared for how huge that
movie was
Like, how could I became the
biggest movie of all time,
right
And Drew and her co-stars literally
became famous overnight
And seven-year-old Drew does like all
this press
She’s traveling the world
She goes on the Tonight Show with Johnny
Carson
She hosts SNL and she’s still
the youngest host ever to this day
Like,
yep
A lot for a seven-year-old
And I’m just
going to say really quick, you were just
looking, we were just looking at
pictures of like the promotion for ET
And I think you said something about
like, oh my god, the photographers or
like all the kids waiting for her
autograph
Like it kind of made you feel
weird
And it’s because of this book
that we feel that I know
Like we know
how she was feeling is scared
It was
very overwhelming for her
Um, and then
going back to school after all this was
totally difficult
She doesn’t fit in
anymore
She’s getting teased
They call
her ET, which makes no sense, right
Um,
she has yet another abusive encounter
with her dad um where he’s doing like
karate kicks to her and stuff like that
And then she decides she does not want
to see him anymore
And I think she
really doesn’t for the rest of the book
Like I don’t think she sees him again
until she’s a teenager
That’s wild
They talk, but I guess
they don’t see each other,
right
That’s kind of weird
It is weird
Um, and then she does
another movie called Irreconcilable
Differences, and it’s totally opposite
from ET, the filming experience
It’s
really hard
There’s like fighting on
it’s just not enjoyable
And she
considers quitting acting because it was
just that rough
So, um, Drew then and this is like
it kind of like goes through her
biography, but I think it’s good that it
does
I don’t know
tells us a lot about
how quickly her career was climbing
also
So, um, she lands the lead role in
Stephen King’s Fire Starter, and we have
an episode about that, by the way
Um,
and temporarily moves to Wilmington,
North Carolina
Um, and she says filming is an
exhausting experience, and they’re doing
a lot of late nights because it’s like,
um, because it’s like fire and anyway,
they want the night
Drew becomes what she calls like an
honorary me member of her stand-ins
family, the wards
Do we talk about the
wards for a second here
No, I mean we can just say we met them,
which is crazy
Yeah, if you if you want to hear about
that, listen to our episode about going
on the Drew Barrymore show, which is
also crazy
Guys, let’s let’s get back
into this
Um, yeah, the meeting the
words was just totally surprising
They
were very sweet
So anyway, we kind of
like reading this knowing them is like
weird knowing
it’s like characters out of a book
coming into your real life
It’s very
strange
Said to them,
but it felt like to me
I don’t know
I
probably just said that privately
probably
Anyway, so um the wards, they
were exactly what Drew was craving
because she was so unhappy with her
lonely home life
So this was like the
epitome of family, right
Just lots of stories about what it was
like to be part of such a quote unquote
normal family
Mom, dad, brother, sister, like
Yeah
go to church, eat dinner together,
white pick a fence
Like you can only
imagine, right
So, at the rep party, Drew bet some crew
members that she can down two glasses of
champagne, which she does, and passes
out
Back in LA, Drew and Jade began going
out to parties and events on a regular
basis
So, you’re you said earlier she’s
eight years old
So, um
I know there’s a lot of in our Patreon
episodes when I’m just like digesting
information that’s so upsetting
So, um
uh they go back to North Carolina the
following summer to film Cats Eye, which
we did like a combo episode for these
two,
another Stephen King story, and gets to
basically live with the words again
So,
she like has to go through this, but
it’s also she’s
like it’s breaking her heart each each
time she’s like leaving this family
And this is a I mean that’s another
reoccurring theme in her life getting
close to people
I mean it happened on
ET as well
She feels like she’s part of
this family
She has to say goodbye and
leave
Like that’s hard to understand
Why she holds on to her like old friends
so much like her friends are her family
And also like I just like having met
these people which I know it was like
40 years after they spoke to her but
yeah I
they were very um warm
like I just sent and like Drew’s warmth
like anyway
Yeah, they probably were a really
formative part of her personality like
right
it’s and it’s how she wanted like a home
life to feel
So Drew is now nine and she hated
going back to school after filming Cat’s
Eye
It’s like super boring in
comparison to her party life
Like she’s
doing clubs at night and then expected
to go like do math problems and
and have a normal life in the daytime
Um she doesn’t perform well at
school and the teachers and the other
students are absolutely horrible to her
There’s specific examples in the book
that are just heartbreaking
So, club life becomes her sanctuary and
she starts wanting to go out every
night
Like, why not
What’s cooler than
that for a nine-year-old
And
she’s accepted there
She’s part of the
group
Like, this is what she’s always
wanting
And so, she starts smoking cigarettes
and sneak sneaking drinks to mimic the
adults that she’s partying with, of
course
And that includes the brat pack
at Roblo’s birthday
Just have to
include that name drop
And any anytime she’s caught
doing something like this, the
punishment doesn’t stick because an
event comes up
So, we got to go out on
the town again
So, I guess you’re not
grounded anymore
Um, and then there’s also lots of really
fun stories about her crush on classmate
Breen and Meyer and how they learned how
to kiss with each other
So, that’s
definitely like a fun little sidebar
Yeah, I’m picturing the the interview
with the teacher, right
That’s not about Breen, but
Oh, it’s not
It’s about somebody
else
And that was the first kiss
That’s right
So, now jump
forward
Drew is 10, 11
Um, work starts
to slow down for Drew because she’s
reached this age where she’s between
childhood and teenage
So, awkward
We
all know what that’s like
lots of episodesing stories about
like partying and drinking because she’s
trying to escape this like awkward
feeling
I having access to that stuff
at an age
I don’t know
your mind
I mean, I’m not like uh
anyway,
we we have opinions
We have a lot of
strong opinions
So, um Drew’s friend’s mom
eventually casually offers pot to Drew,
which she loves, and begins to spark
start smoking regularly,
including apparently in New Orleans in a
Motel 6
And um so this cycle begins of feeling
horrible about herself and
self-medicating
So this is like
becoming a coping mechanism, a huge one
Um then while this stuff is happening,
Drew gets a role in a film that’s
filming in Germany and that’s Babes in
Toyland
We have an episode about that
It’s freaking crazy
Both the Fire Starter Catsite and the
Babes and Toyland episodes are really
fun because those movies are there’s
some shaky stuff in there and sometimes
talking about those ones are even more
enjoyable than the good ones
Um, so also while she’s in
Germany there’s some wild antics with
Rod Stewart’s band and she’s 10 11 at
this time and she dates a 15year-old on
set
All right
They’re dating
Um, and it talks about them like
making out maybe
So, um,
Drew when she gets back, she changes to
a school that goes up through high
school age
So, this is like elementary
through high school
I guess it’s like
private schools, right
So,
so she begins to party with the older
students who could drive
She has access now
She also I feel like
you know at this point is talking about
like how these sort of people who she
can relate to
She sort of like relate
more to the older kids cuz she’s like a
working actress and then she has to go
like live this normal life
and she knows how to party and the the
high schoolers are like cool now we have
like our little 12-year-old mascot
hanging around with us and she can smoke
and drink too like
right so
party
and during this time Drew of course I
guess maybe I I want to say of course
she becomes more and more alienated from
her mom but I just want to say about
that really quick is like
I feel like Jade keeps saying she is
always there
I guess maybe at this No,
she wasn’t working at this time
So,
it’s weird that she like says
I think her always there is talking
about when they would go to events and
parties and clubs, but now that Drew has
friends with the with cars like bye
Like she is Jade is no longer around and
I don’t think that’s what she’s
referring to
And I feel like I mean I guess we also
know that Jade didn’t
didn’t know what was going on
supposedly
And also like what when you said
of course she becomes more and more
alienated from her mom
It is of course
because she saw Jade as this like thing
that got in the way like an obstacle to
her going out and having fun
If Jade
tried to set any limitations she’s like
now the enemy like mess up my life
There was no punishment that stuck
because for whatever reason but also
whatever Drew basically did what she
wanted
Very much so
Um, so she there’s a whole section where
she’s spending a lot of time at an
unnamed Italian actress’s home
You can
read between the lines or you can go
listen to Patreon to find out who that
is
And she’s hanging out with her two
sons, particularly partying through the
night with the much older one
So,
there’s that, which I hate
Um, things
with Jade just continue getting worse,
including an incident of verbal abuse
from her mom that culminated in Drew
slapping her
That’s a real like shocker
little incident
Um, Drew is totally
miserable and depressed
So then she has to go to New York
against her will to film See You in the
Morning
And this is the first time she
is not even excited about work
And I
love that you like we it’s wr you wrote
it as against her will or that you said
against her will because she’s literally
saying like
I don’t want it
jumped out to me reading on this read
like her being like I don’t want to do
this movie and well too bad like this is
good for your career which you know that
really that really bothered me
Um
so they go to New York
Um Drew
befriends a 17-year-old model named
Stacy there and they start going to all
the New York clubs together
like just
no, no one cares how old anybody is
Drew’s 12 at this point, about to turn
13,
right
She’s constantly fighting with Jade,
includes there’s a whole time where she
goes on a rampage in their apartment
She breaks vases, a picture of iced tea
She then takes money from Jade’s wallet
and says, “I’m leaving, bitch
“
So, that’s kind of where we’re at there,
just to give one little example
And she
also gets a high school senior boyfriend
named Bobby
And so she’s usually
staying either at Bobby’s house or with
Stacy
Stacy like lives with her sister
and she’s rarely coming home
Maybe stopping in to get some clothes
and then roller skating down the streets
of Manhattan away
The roller skating
is so amazing to imagine
I would love to see a picture of
12year-old Drew roller skating in the
streets of Manhattan
Imagine if someone
has that
Ooh, let’s put it out in the universe
right now
This is going to be a new old thing next
episode
All right
So, speaking of this
boyfriend, Bobby, who is a senior, um,
he’s really to to like very toxic
He’s
like possessive
They’re like always
fighting and it sounds like it’s like
quite tumultuous
There’s a part where they’re like
slapping each other at a party
don’t like that
But Drew romanticizes
it and she had a hard time saying
goodbye to him when filming wrapped
So, yeah
So, then we’re back in LA
Um,
Drew is surprised to learn that one of
her party friends, Chelsea, is now sober
after going through treatment
Drew’s like, “What a what a loser
And then immediately, not
immediately, but she ends up trying
cocaine for the first time at her
school’s prom and is instantly hooked
I’m still thinking about like chem how
this like me like chemically messes with
your brain like that there’s probably a
reason why there was a lot of like um
backlash like with her mom like fighting
like that like I don’t know
totally absolutely yeah
I don’t know and I don’t know
what you said about how she’s instantly
hooked I mean the book makes it sound
like she’s just like coke coke coke like
all the time
right
like no exaggeration
but also like ah just imagine her like
acquiring at this 12-year-old so anyway
Oh my god
One night after staying out like way
past curfew, she comes home completely
wasted and tries to tell her mom to
leave the house
Like she’s literally
like trying to demand I and I I think we
talked about it in in in the Patreon,
but I kept thinking like for Jade,
imagine going through having been with
her dad, Drew’s dad
who did this and then now Drew’s
doing it
It’s definitely mentioned at some
somewhere,
right
I’ve just read something
I don’t
remember if it’s the book or one of the
articles at this time, but she did have
that like, oh, like is my child like
turning into
scary
her dad
So, speaking of that friend who just got
sober, Jade calls Chelsea’s mom to have
her come over so they can take Drew to
the treatment program
So, here we are
like twothirds through the book, I
guess, or something like that
And Drew’s 13 at this point
So, like I
just I I always want to hammer home her
age because it really is just so
shocking
It’s important
So 13-year-old Drew, she’s admitted to
the ASAP treatment program in the middle
of the night
There’s a lot of details
about like the program and what the
intake process was like um at the
center
She’s dealing with like rules
and boundaries for literally the first
time ever in her life
And um she’s miserable and furious about
being stuck there
After a little bit of time, she starts
to sort of warm up to the program
She’s
like coming to terms that she has some
issues and about her unhappiness with
herself and all her with her
parents
But only 12 days, so not even two weeks
after she checks in against medical
advice, she is taken to Northern Nevada
to film the movie Far From Home
So
again, this is like the second project
in a row that’s like she maybe shouldn’t
be doing this,
right
Like
she’s just starting to get in the swing
of things in rehab and they’re like,
“Eh, we got to we got to leave
We got
this movie we got to go to
She’s got work to do
She’s got to
really important far from home
She’s got to support us
She’s got to
go
” Um, so Drew, um, managed to stay
sober for the two months of filming even
though she was still trying to act like
an adult and going out to casinos and
gambling which is just wild
Like I think she says something in this
part about like looking like the age or
something and I’m like maybe cuz like I
mean I don’t know
And I talked about how it would never
work in Las Vegas these days
Like this
is Carson City
I don’t know what it’s
like up there, but
like you you can’t even like stand next
to a slot machine for very long if
you’re not 21 before they come and
they’re like, “Hey,
right,
get out of here
“
Things are different
Things are
different
I mean, let’s let’s also say
like this is the 80s
We haven’t been saying the year, but
like guys, did we say this book came out
in 1990 and we’re talking about, you
know,
the 80s is a free-for-all time
It’s a time
So, um,
Drew checks back to ASAP when filming’s
completed and she realizes that she
experienced what’s called dry time where
she’s hanging out with people who are
using substances even though she wasn’t
herself
So, basically, it’s like not as
bad, but you’re b you’re still
surrounding yourself in those things
Um,
yeah
Six days later,
Brew checks out again to go to New York
to loop some dialogue for see you in the
morning
So, in New York, guess what
She calls her friend Stacy
They go to a
club, and Drew breaks her sobriety by
doing Coke
And there’s this whole Is
this the thing where they’re in the
bathroom
So, it’s it’s a really interesting
exchange
Um, like Drew’s thought
process,
but after this is one of the craziest
things in the book, right
This is like the number one
like, wow
So, is she still 12
She’s 13
So, 13 years old
She does Coke
with her friend Stacy, which leads to
this famous cokefueled incident of Drew
stealing Jade’s credit card, secretly
flying to Los Angeles
She’s like
convincing the gate agent like,
“My mom gave me this credit card to buy
myself, of course
” Anyway, it’s a whole
thing
She books a flight to Hawaii,
gets in a minor car crash, and goes on a
shopping spree until finally getting
stopped by two private agents who are
hired by Jade to take her back to ASAP
And I think they like end up like
encountering her at their house
So Drew
ends up going to their LA home
It’s the
whole thing is like what
Um, you definitely are going to
want to hear the playbyplay if you’re
not familiar with the story
Like that
was a very brief summary
Uh she’s doing
Coke like nonstop
Like to the point
that her friend was even like I think
that’s a little too much
You know,
right
It’s it’s
it’s a binge
It’s a fullon binge
There you go
Can I say something
really quick
I just We didn’t say at the top, but I
feel like I want to say we’re not here
to like shame Drew
Or like or like put any of this stuff
like in the spot like it’s like it’s
going to shock
Like it’s out there and
we’re just I don’t know
I guess I just
wanted to say that like I feel like
we’re not here to be like, “Can you
believe how like wild and disgusting she
was
” It’s more like
I don’t know
It’s more like, “Wow, this girl
struggled and had some real issues and
look at how she turned her life around
She’s amazing
We don’t blame
her
This is all to celebrate the
Yeah, we’re not even like blaming her
mom,
right,
too much
There’s some things that I
can’t help myself for blame her for, but
it, you know, they were a bad combo
I guess I just I just had
to say it because I felt like, oh,
there’s this like part of me that’s just
like
Yeah
I don’t know
Being eaten by the
negativity
I don’t know
You know, but let’s let’s continue
I’m glad you said it
So, Drew is
back in ASAP and she’s super rebellious
and withdrawn um for a while, but she
eventually comes to terms with the fact
that like this binge, she has hit rock
bottom at this point
So, she starts making some really
self-aware lists of her issues and
working on herself while Jade is
intentionally kept away from her
And progress is really slow and it does
briefly go backwards for a little bit
when she starts dating this other teen
in the program named Rick
And he’s a
total loser jerk
We don’t
like Rick
Um, she’s punished with ITP,
which was intensive treatment program, a
record number of times, including once
after being caught in Rick’s room
So,
she’s still acting out
It’s not like
she’s just like, “Okay, I want to be
cured
” Like, she’s she’s
trying, but she’s also still rebelling
because that’s who she is, right
Um, and during all this, Drew’s
paternal grandfather passes away,
and this really deeply affects her and
makes her want to work harder at the
program
And it’s a very touching
segment that also has a whole chapter in
Wild Flowers
It’s kind of it’s one of
the few things that you see in both
books
Really,
Right
Um, which we’re going to
be doing Wildflower next over at
Patreon, guys
So, you want to hear us
talk about that and all the other fun
chapters in Wildflower, do it
Um, Drew in the program is
continuing to work on her self-worth and
to face her issues with her mom and dad,
but this theme of her like parents and
her self worth is like over and and is
still
and they’re very tied
Like when we read
this book, we’re going, “Oh, no wonder
she feels like about herself
No
wonder she talks this way to herself
“
Like,
it’s all like very clear when you see
what she was growing up with
Drew is determined to earn
the right to something called growth
group where she’ll be able to leave the
hospital with other patients to do like
fun activities outside the hospital
Um,
which she does eventually achieve
Um,
she starts to spend some time with David
Crosby, the musician, if you don’t know
who that is, quite a prolific musician
Um, and his wife Jan Dance, who act
somewhat like sponsors to her
And I’ll
just explain what sponsors is if you
don’t know like sobriety lingo
It’s
like basically like people who have gone
through some kind of recovery and can
like guide you
It becomes like your
like personal guide
Um Drew did some role playing with her
counselor’s husband who had known Drew’s
dad, so he like acted out being her dad
It was very interesting
And it was to help Drew work through
some issues with him
That that was a it
was kind of a cool part in the book
where I don’t know
I always it always stuck with me
that that part
It’s neat
I mean I don’t know
I guess
also that somebody who knew Drew’s dad
like I feel like maybe she didn’t really
have a chance to like Except for her
mom
I don’t know
Yeah, but her mom never talked about her
dad
There’s a whole part where she’s
like I don’t know how you met
Like I’ve
never seen pictures of you guys
together
Well, yeah,
we gave her a picture of it together,
but that’s a whole other story
Yes, we did
There’s a lot of Again,
there’s some lore to us, guys
Um, Drew was able to arrange a phone
call with her dad and she came to this
conclusion that she truly needed to let
go of him
Like, she decides she could
love him, but she didn’t need him in her
life
Um, and she like realizes he can’t
really be a dad to her in any kind of
traditional way
So, it’s like
and really makes peace with it
And it’s
like we both went whoa
Like she carried
this for the rest of his life
like at
13 she was able to come to terms with
that and like
that was okay from that
And I also I love knowing that she found
a way somewhat unique and untraditional
way to keep him in her life later like
she kind of helped support him like
which maybe is like weird but like
she accepted him for who he was
So, 13-year-old Drew
gets her discharge date in December
1988, and shortly after that is when the
National Enquirer breaks the story
It’s
like, God, she was so close
Um, and
despite all the media frenzy that comes
out of that, she stays focused on
finishing out her treatment
And funnily enough, once she’s released,
she films this teen rehab TV special
called 15 and Getting Straight
It’s
like a after school special at the exact
same hospital where she had just been
released
Y
that’s just like a funny little
coincidence
Like
I know
I still I still want to know
more about that
How that was arranged if they’re
just like you’re you know like we
already know some people who’ve come out
of here
You’ll be very comfortable
here
Um so Drew decides to tell her story in
her own words to People magazine as we
mentioned above
Um she continues to have ups and downs
but she’s like committed and hopeful
about her recovery
The book is going to
end here
She’s alive
She’s doing
great
And then hard cut
Hard cut
So, this it’s it’s very
I think it’s really cool that not cool
that it happened, but that they were
able to do this cuz I feel like that
probably added an element for people
reading it of like realness
And like, okay, wow
Like if
you’re an addict and then you read the
story, but it all ends up fine and she’s
recovered and great, right
That’s
probably a different feeling than boy,
she thought she was good, but she
relapsed
Like, yeah, I can relate to
that
I don’t know if it’s like I don’t know
where I’m getting this exact phrase, but
what I’ve heard, I guess, is like
recovery is not linear
Oh, I love that
So, like, yeah,
it shows that it’s not linear
Um, so
unfortunately what we’re getting to is
Drew relapses um by smoking a joint with
her friends at her both her six month
and eight months of quote unquote
sobriety
So she continued this lie um
and was celebrating these eight months
and then smoking pot celebrating the six
months smoking pot
But she keeps it a
secret from everyone which makes her
feel really guilty and she’s holding on
to this for a while
Um, she starts
dating a 22year-old actor, quote
unquote, Peter, who eventually begins
spending some time and forming forming a
relationship with her mom instead
And
we we know that this is kind of a
thing that Drew has alluded to that her
mom might have dated people that she
dated because she wanted to like be her
a little bit
Is that what she said
Again, we have the exact uh audio
if you want to go listen to her talk
about that on Patreon
We’re just gonna
keep telling you guys, we don’t have
time to get into everything here
You gotta go pay your dollar and get the
deets
And we still have a little bit of
more of this to go and then there’s a
really wonderful surprise at the end of
this episode
If you read the title, you
know, but we have something juicy
Um
okay, so there’s lots of juicy stuff in
the book, but there’s more juicy here,
too
So, um she um starts acting out
because her mom is
dating her exboyfriend
I guess they they are all kind of like
dancing around him dating too
They keep
saying like hanging out explicitly said,
but it’s very
you can read between the lines,
right
So, Drew moves out of her mom’s
place to live with her friend Edy, quote
unquote
Do we do we say who that is
here or is that a name
Okay,
so we know who this Edie is
Um, they go
into their own apartment and she works
odd jobs to support herself
And it says
she’s a doorman at clubs, which we found
to be like so wild, but also like
what I’m I’m what I said was like,
okay, not only do I want to see Drew
Barrymore roller skating in Manhattan, I
also want to see little Drew Barrymore
as a doorman at a club
checking IDs
Like, what happening
Aren’t you Drew Barrymore
Aren’t you 14
So, um, Jer ends up smoking pot
again and falls into a deep depression
over everything that’s going on
She’s
hiding her relapse and seeing her mom
and Peter together
Like, she’s just not
in a good place
And we are
basically to the end of the book
gets worse before it gets better
Again, content warnings here
Um,
so Drew gets like out of control,
hysterical
She’s in this deep
depression in front of her friend Edie
She attempts to slash her arm with a
kitchen knife as a cry for help
She
calls it some she felt it was this giant
exclamation point
So like, “Please, I’m
in pain
” Um, she’s taken to a hospital
and when she’s there, she calls her mom
and admits to her that she had gotten
high and then she’s immediately taken
back to ASAP
And she says, we loved
this quote, she says, “We need to do
something about my mother
” So Jade is
sent to her own treatment program in
Arizona to deal with her codependency
and to try to learn how to be a parent
The book ends 13 days before Drew is
about to be released for the last time
It is the last time um with a sense of
hope about her relationship with her mom
and her sobriety, but she admits that
she can’t know for sure what the future
will bring
She just needs to quote do
the best she can
And it’s kind of awesome because it
really did have a happy ending
Like at
that point, like as far as we know,
there were no
nothing this dramatically of a struggle
again until she got divorced from Will
that we know of that we know of,
right
Um but yeah, we’ve reached the
end of the book
It has this kind of
hopeful feeling but also realistic
this
like do the best she can is also like
all you do is all you can do is the best
you can
Um
so let’s get into the release of the
book which like we said was 35 and a
half years ago a little bit more than
that
Um Drew um said about the release she
said all these different publishing
companies called
It was buzzing
They
were going she’s got recovery, she’s got
time, she’s got a great story
Please
let us write her book
And she said,
“The reason I chose Simon and Schustster
as my publisher was that they were more
interested in what I had to say than
what they wanted me to say
” Which is so
strange
Love that
And she said, “Of course, since
I’m not an author, I had to have a
coowwriter and they were very flexible
about who I would use
” She said this in
1992, so it’s kind of weird that that’s
only like two years after the release
I know, but it feels like a whole
different era of Drew,
right
Um, so it’s kind of cool that she
had a say in these things and that’s
something we’ve learned in a couple
different ways that like
Interesting
You’re right
Um,
so the book was published on February
1st, 1990
Again, happy anniversary
35
years
and it was published by the Pocketbooks
division of Simon and Schustster
On March 4th of 1990, it reached number
14 on the New York Times non-fiction
bestsellers list, which is really cool
That is cool
Um, all right
We’ve got
another quote from 1992
It says, “Drew
said, “When it came out, I was very
nervous
For the first two days, I
stayed in my house
Then a couple of
weeks later, my publisher called and
said, I just wanted to congratulate you
on being a best-selling author
I don’t
give a damn that I’m a best-selling
author
” The point was that I
reached tons of people
People would
come up to me and say, “I just read your
book
I’ve been honest to my parents
I
finally told them how I felt about
them
” And she said, “That’s all that
mattered
” So, yeah,
that’s awesome
Um,
that’s so cool
Yeah, a lot of the response from the
readers were teenagers who were going
through similar issues and really found
that the book was helpful
I would love to know like how many how
many teenagers are we talking about
Hundreds, thousands, like how many
people were affected that way by the
book,
right
Um, okay
We can’t know that
So, the
paperback was released in 1991
We have
both
They’re both different covers
And the book has become
somewhat of a cult classic
Like it’s
not just because it was helpful to
people, but it’s also like it’s a cool
it’s a great Hollywood memoir
Um it’s
been out of print for years and
secondhand copies rarely sell for less
than $50 these days
I feel like I see
it average more like 75, which is wild
Um you can borrow it online
digitally from archive
org just so you
guys know
And now that um we don’t need
to get into it all the time, I will let
you guys know
You can go in and take it
instead cuz only one person can read it
at a time
There were a couple times
where I went to go in and it was like
someone else is borrowing it and I’m
like, “Oh my god
“
Yeah, cuz it’s like for like an hour or
something
Is it for like It’s like
Yeah
That’s It’s so cool
It’s cool that they have it, but it’s
also kind of like wild that Yeah
You
have to like fight for it like a regular
library
They only have a certain number
of like digital copy
I don’t think you can get it at
libraries for the most part
like,
oh wow,
it’s really, you know, it’s become a
rarity, which is kind of interesting
Um, so let’s talk about like just our
final thoughts on the book
We didn’t talk about our like experience
um first time around
We talk about that
on Patreon if you guys want to know our
like origin stories with Little Girl
Loss
But
I came away like, okay, like I just said
before, it’s a really awesome celebrity
memoir
There’s incredible behind
the-scenes info from Hollywood
There’s
named dropping
There’s wild stories
Like anything about a child star is kind
of got its own level of fascination
built in
Um it’s also a very
frustrating read for me at times
I was
just like
over and over again
as a mom
I think for you
as a mom especially just so frustrated
with how many adults fail her
Um, but it’s also like I I already
said again, so inspiring to see how she
went from this to who she is now
Like
you will read this book and it is so
hard to reconcile that this is our girl
Drew
Like this her her thought process,
her
angst, like her way of looking at life
have changed so much because of what she
went through
I mean,
let’s just take the window thing as an
example
You know, the whole internet
made fun of her because there’s this
video where she’s doing like renovation
in her house and she discovers there was
a hidden window behind a wall and she
starts crying and it’s because she was
locked up at 13 years old and like
couldn’t go outside in the world
So, a
window is like, you know, just things
like that
It’s very much like
where she comes from
And um I guess I
just wanted to say about that particular
thing like she like has said it’s what
made her appreciate like the sky
She says I think it’s on
um
not that she couldn’t go outside but she
just into like the real world for a
while
She says like um she would see a traffic
light and be like do people realize how
beautiful that is
Like
Yeah
Um, but yeah, reading this as a
teenager when I first got into Drew
was just like, woo, this is wild
This
is crazy
Reading it as an adult,
totally different perspectives, totally
different empathy, totally different
just like, oh, I just want to I wish I
could have taken care of this girl, you
know
It’s it’s really, if you haven’t
read it since you were a teenager, I
highly recommend just for like such a
different
point of view and a really different
experience
And we were also digging so
deep into everything
So,
right
I guess like my final thoughts
have to do I mean all those things you
said like Yes
But also like about like
having read it as a teen versus reading
it now like the perspective of being an
adult, the perspective of Drew like
knowing what she grew up to become
And
you were saying something about like
almost not being able to recognize the
Drew we know now in some of this
But I
also feel like because we are using it
as sort of like putting together her
like timeline of like who she is like
we’re almost like studying her through
it which is like such a strange thing
but we call ourselves historians
We we
genuinely are like studying which is
interesting
I mean as historians were so lucky to
have this as a resource like this is
incredible
It’s such a like
unbelievably intimate look into her
young life
It’s interesting to be on
the other side of like being a teen
where now I’m like looking at it from
not only like a scholarly perspective
almost but like also just yeah having
maturity looking down on it like I don’t
know I literally was probably like close
to the age I think I was like 14 the
first time I read this book so maybe 15
So like I would have recognized the
angst, you know, like like you like you
almost but recognized it in yourself
almost
I feel like we’ve said a lot
We’ve said
a lot about the book
There’s like more than 20 hours of us
talking about the book on Patreon
probably
I haven’t even done the math
Can you believe in here we’ve
barely scratched the surface
like we we
hit everything, but like it’s just it’s
a there’s a lot that goes on
So, there’s more
There is more
There’s a lot more
[Music]
So, the book is Little Girl Lost by Drew
Barrymore with Todd Gold
And guys, we
have Todd Gold on the show
This man who told us he doesn’t do
interviews, told us he doesn’t do this
stuff, agreed to
There was a little bit
of like time where we’ve been
communicating with this man and breaking
him down so that we could get this
When you put it like that, it sounds
awful
But no, he he came to us very
willingly at the end of it and very like
um he kind of said that he was honored
So that’s why
which was weird for us
You’ll hear all that,
right
You’ll hear it
But like we the
fact that we spent the time doing this
was
somehow we came to it with this mutual
respect which was like really kind of
cool
Guys, this was so cool for us to
do
So, I hope that you enjoy it
[Music]
Okay, so today we have joining us Todd
Gold, who is a prolific journalist and
editor and has collaborated on dozens of
highprofile memoirs
He is the co-author
of Drew Barrymore’s 1990 autobiography,
Little Girl Lost
And we are so excited
to have him here
Thank you, Todd
Thank you, Todd
Thank you for being
here
This is so cool
I I feel like we
should mention to you that we were
somewhat familiar with you as a person
because um of your interviews that you
did way back in the ‘9s on Drew’s e
celebrity profile and I want to say A&E
biography as well
Do you recall that
I I don’t recall anything
So this is
going to be a tough interview
We’re going to take you down memory lane
a little bit of like our memory of you
and you having no knowledge of us
Yeah,
it’s great
This is going to be fun
Yeah, I think so, too
Um, so we wanted
to get a little bit into like our
history with the book, like when we
first remember reading it and just how
we’re reacting as adults
Yeah, we both
got our copies here
Hold our copies
But I read this copy that I’m holding
for the first time
I think I was 14 or
15 years old
So, I would have been like
right around the age Drew was when she
wrote it
I don’t have a lot of memories
about it except I was already a huge fan
of her
So, it was really incredible to
get into these details about her life at
a time when I was kind of experiencing
teenage drama, you know, my own
Um, but
since we’ve been going back to it, the
perspective as an adult has been
insanely
like
eyearing,
but jarring and eye opening
But Ashley,
go ahead and say what you
similar
I mean, my funny story, Todd,
about this book is that my older cousin,
she used to give me her hand-me-down
books
She was a big reader just like
me
And as a 10-year-old or whatever I
was when I got the book, I remember
being like, “Ooh, like drugs
Like, I
can’t read this
This is scandalous
“
And so, I I put it away and I didn’t
read it for years until I came to know
who Drew was and be interested in her
life
And then I used to read it like
seasonally like I would make this like
okay every Christmas time and every
summer I would reread it
I don’t know
what that was about
I was a weird
teenager
But so I’ve read it dozens of
times
And this most recent read through
that Ann and I have done as an adult, as
a mom, it’s very
shocking
It really is
Like I think as
a teen we’re just like whoa Drew was a
badass and now it’s like wow this life
is unbelievable
Well, I’d be curious to
know two things from what both of you
said, you know, and and Ann, I guess
especially you
Um, what first attracted
you to the
book and and and and why’d you read it
And then both of you mentioned that
you’ve you’ve read it and reread it as
adults and it’s really eyeopening
What
about it is eye opening and what about
it is is so sticky
So, it’s interesting
because it came from this point of view
as a fan of Drew at this time when she
was like America’s sweetheart girl next
door, you know, she and this is like,
you know, 1998, 1999
So, her her image
was so different than what she was, you
know, in this book
So, I think um I
came to it literally as as as someone
who was interested in Drew’s background
So it was like I consciously went to go
and read this book, you know, I was like
this is part of the lore of this person
that I love
I like what you said about what do we
find sticky about it now
And my my
I think eye opening too
Sorry, but
sticky
What what about it, you know,
allows it to thrive and and continue to
interest you
But also what is eye
opening or what opens your eyes as you
reread it
I would say um one of the
things would be how do you reconcile
this person with who she has become
today
That is so fascinating and
amazing and inspiring to see her go from
like these lowest lows to being who she
is now and in the book almost feeling
like she didn’t know if she had any
future and now it’s like oh my gosh
everything that came afterward is so
incredible
Um that would be one thing
The other thing I have a hard time with
is how many adults fail her in her young
life
And it just felt like no one was
looking out for her
And it that’s
jumped out to me as an adult much more
than I ever noticed as a teenager
reading it
And I’ll just say about the
eyeopening thing
I think similarly to
what Ashley was saying, sometimes it
gives some perspective on why Drew is
the way she is as far as like her
self-esteem,
you know, like why she is so giving and
kind like comes from this place of like
what she went through
And I so so I
think when we are able to like trace
back those steps,
her the way that she is like makes more
and more sense
And we like kind of
putting these puzzle pieces together of
like her because we’re we’re now
literally considering ourselves
historians
All this time we’ve been
fans and you know we were so young and
now we’re like interested as
full-g grown adults like you know we
have we are older than some of these
adults who were failing her in this book
you know like it’s
it’s fascinating
So that’s the been eye
openening for me is learning more about
this person that I feel like I know a
lot about and then remembering how much
more there is
I don’t know
connecting those dots
I’m I’m always surprised when it
surfaces in the news
Uh I think there
was a piece a year or two ago in the New
York Times
I just reread that
Somebody wrote about that
I saw on
Drew’s show that uh Pink pulled out her
hard coverver and talked about doing a
book report in seventh grade on the
book
That’s right
And it just it kind of surfaces in all
these different ways
And it was it’s
now I I think probably 30 years old
35
years old
This is the year of 35
So 35 years
And I I think about
the um the changes in in culture and
celebrity culture
and and how what Drew represents there
both you know and how celebrity cultures
changed but how uh so much of the human
heart remains the same
what interests us and um you know I
I think those are some of the reasons
that it keeps surfacing but I I you know
I’m amazed because I look at it I I
don’t remember that much about it
I remember certain things very keenly
but I look at it as you know the first
big project I did and
I’d love chances to redo it and make it
better
We totally get that
Yeah, absolutely
But it is what it is
and it’s seems to be uh holding up or
whatever
I mean, I don’t know if you’re aware
that it’s out of print, but you can’t
buy a secondhand copy for less than $50
I mean, it usually goes for 75 anywhere
you see it for sale
It’s very coveted
still
It’s interesting
It’s so interesting because I remember
seeing the paperback on the shelf at
Barnes & Noble
And being able to grab it for, you know,
six bucks or something like I remember
that
So, I know that I bought I have
like this old copy and then I I think I
bought one because I was like, “Oh, I
want a fresh one
” Like, literally, you
can’t find it
Isn’t that funny
Well, I I remember when it came out and
the excitement,
of course,
and you know, because it was my first
the first book I had worked on
We didn’t know that
It was very exciting
And it was also
very nerve-wracking because uh you know
we were nervous about the reception and
and uh you know whether people would be
interested or highly critical
Drew would react
Our family would react
But all that
aside, you know, I I told you when um
I’m going to jump around a little bit,
but when you first contacted me ages ago
and and I told you I don’t do interviews
and don’t ever talk about books and and
um at some point I began reconsidering
be just to try and honor the effort and
the work that you two have have put into
uh celebrating and and talking about the
book
And I and and the reason I’m
talking to you now is because I I I
think you um you know I’m the privileged
one
You know more about it than I do
certainly
But I mentioned uh at some
point in our back and forth that I had a
box of
from from you know working on this book
I had a box of papers that I hadn’t
looked at
probably since 1989
The book I think
came out in early in February of of
1990, but
uh
we wrote it in ’89 and it took about
six, seven months for it to be published
to go through the editorial process
And
so I pulled that box out today uh to
give you something different that I know
that you don’t have
Oh my gosh
You know, in your in your archives
the archivists and neess are like,
“Oh my gosh,
some of this stuff you do have
” Um, but
but I thought I’d pull it out and and
one of the things and we’re talking
about the um
the the way culture has evolved and
technology and the way we communicate
with each other
But I I found there’s
this notebook and so this is the
original dot matrix printout
hard working copy that I would
write and then give to Drew
This is like your manuscript basically
It
It’s one of them
I’ll show you a few
But what I laughed at uh as I’m as I’m
looking at this is the first uh 60 some
odd pages
Uh I wrote the page
number down
I I forgot to uh I forgot
to put in a page number so I had to
handw write all the pages
Oh,
this this has our notes and um
and discussion, you know, notes from our
discussions as as we were going over the
manuscript
at some point
I don’t know
when
So, that was kind of fun to find
Um
and uh then I’m sure you have this I
found this uh original People magazine
story
Which I’m sure you have
kicked it all
off, right
I kicked it off and then um around that
same time there was a National Enquire
story
That’s true
We were just speaking about this
You start the final chapter of the book
with the headline
Well, yes
I love that you have this in your like
box of stuff because that’s so awesome
So, here’s the original story, ET Star
and Cocaine
and and it just it’s really
uh something to to think back that you
know one of the reasons that that
I I wrote a story on Drew in the first
place if I’m remembering correctly
and uh was to ward off the tabloids
to give her a chance to tell her story
on her terms uh rather than
the ambush you know jump out of the
bushes style of the tabloids
So, you
know, I I don’t think that would happen
today
I was thinking the same thing
I would
love to think that we’ve come to a place
where they’re not going to do that to a
13-year-old girl
Like, that is not
going to happen anymore because it’s
just, you know, it’s horrible that it
happened without her,
you know, consent
But then I love that
she turned it around and said, “Okay,
let me tell the story
” But also,
yeah, as I remember, she had very smart
people around her um who were trying to
control it
I really don’t know much
about what the decision making behind
that other than they wanted to control
the story
Allow her to tell it on her terms
Drew has made it sound like she was
intent on doing that, like that she made
that decision
And that her people were kind of
like, “Oh boy, what are you going to
want to do
” And she said, “I want to
tell the story myself
” and they said,
“Yeah, we thought you were going to say
that
“
Well, yes
And and I remember meeting
Drew before we did the story
What do you remember about that
So, just going to meet her and have a
and talking to her where she was
deciding whether she felt comfortable uh
talking to me
I guess she did because
we ended up talking and um but she for
somebody who was so young,
what she was like 15 or 16 uh at the
time, she uh she was very much the boss
in control, you know, and making a lot
of her own decisions
That was something
that
uh impressed me about her and that I
remember is is and she said very much
the same thing herself that she she
was kind of an old soul wrapped in a
kid’s body and that that was a big
you know that that was something I I
took away
uh from that first meeting and
subsequent conversations with her was
that she Um,
she had a lot of wisdom packed inside
her
She had a tremendous heart
There
was for for all the pain and and hurt
she’d endured and the loneliness she’d
felt, she had the potential for great
giving and great amounts of love and a
lot of smarts
And I I I never had any
doubt that she was going to um someday
make up for what she lacked
It didn’t guarantee an easy road
And
and I doubt she said would say that
she’s had an easy road,
but I think she’s more than made up for
what she lacked
That’s awesome
I love I love knowing
that even in this time because, you
know, she is really It’s dark at times
It’s very she’s very depressed at times
in this book
But I love knowing that
that core of who she is and who we know
her to be was there even then cuz it it
is really hard to be like, “Wow, this is
the Drew that we know
You know, she’s
she’s having such a hard time here
She
feels so bad about herself
” But I love
knowing what you said about her her
heart was there
Her wisdom was there
Like she was still who she is,
which is amazing and just really lovely
to hear
I mean, I haven’t seen her in person for
decades now
Um, I do see her
occasionally on television
But, but I have no doubt, you know, I
can tell that she uh, you know, she grew
up and into the person that she
wanted to be, that she knew was
available to her if she worked hard
And
I think she’s like like many of us, she
she, you know, got there by trial and
error and and fearlessness
to um to continue to move forward and
learn from her mistakes
Oh, absolutely
And I mean, she always talks about
making those mistakes in front of
people,
which is what’s so unique about her is
that she’s been famous for almost her
entire life
And you know, so like this
was just one thing that she did in
public, you know, so there’s like all
this interesting stumbling and and
humbling and you know, and she’s she
really Yeah
It’s it’s amazing her
resilience
We’re always talking about
her resilience
And the thing that uh my wife
reminded me of and and I didn’t really
need reminding of, but it’s worth
mentioning is she was always
wickedly funny
You know, I I caught her when she
was a teenager and in her early 20s, and
she always had a great sense of humor
Uh she wasn’t just self-deprecating, and
she was very funny when she’d make fun
of herself, but she had a great eye for
observation and spotting the funny
around us or around her and uh and
sharing that
So I, you know, that sense
of humor, I’m sure, got her through a
lot
Oh, yeah
I think that’s what she says
all the time, like we always need a
little bit of humor with the darkness
Absolutely
Todd, do you want to kind of explain to
us sort of what your process was with
her
you know, you showed that notebook
So, you would write and sit down with
her or how much of you know, cuz we have
in the book what is very clearly Todd’s
voice and then we have what is Drew’s
voice, but how much were you involved in
the Drew’s voice segments
Uh, they came out of our conversations
or, you know, conversations
just asking her to run through the
chronology and the details of what
happened to her, what she’d gone
through
So some of that was um
very you know almost literal translation
from the from the conversations others
was you know a minor massage of what she
what was in the transcript but
she I mean she ultimately had 100%
you know say over the book uh you know
the process was that we we’d do
interviews most of the interviews I I
think She’d remember this, too
We we uh
we used to go out uh to a restaurant, a
hamburger place, and sit and and have a
big basket of French fries and talk for
a few hours
Do you remember where
Yes, I I do
It was a a chain, I don’t
know if it exists anymore, called the
Islands
Oh, yeah
And so we’d go and order a big basket of
fries and some diet cokes and uh and
talk for a few hours
Usually after school
So you’d be there with your tape tape
recorder just on the table
I would some somewhere those tapes
exist
I mean that would be some a dream for us
to somehow have any
I’ll call you up when I when I find
them
If I ever do, I’ll call you up
Yeah, we would love like even just the
tiniest like peak of that
That’s
incredible
Like I mean if you had to
guess how many hours of recording like
if you had to guess could could you have
any clue
Yeah, probably 20
20 hours of of tape
Um and I probably
have some tapes of whatever old magazine
interviews were done with her
Um
because you recorded all of that
I
guess that’s part of the job, right
And I and I saved them for some
reason
I have stuff here that might be
interesting to share that I was going
through related to that
So, I I
found some transcript
from one of our interviews
Oh, cool
Did you have to transcribe it yourself
Did you like have somebody that could
transcribe it for you
That’s a lot of
work
I transcribed it myself at the time
Uh I couldn’t afford to have
somebody transcribe it
I I will admit
and um
and you know for safety’s sake it was
it’s so sens the material is so sens as
it is anytime you’re dealing with
somebody’s life and their secrets
Absolutely
Which is there’s almost I almost going
through this material there’s almost a
sense of betrayal uh even though I know
that some of this is in the book
and and I was just reading I was looking
for something funny um to actually share
because
we love something funny was very funny
and um but here I I’m you know I just
you saw me I’m randomly flipping through
this and um
and
I I I said what was the situation the
last time you saw your dad
Do you
remember that
And she says vividly very well
We were
at our friend’s house in LA
And then
for some reason I interrupt her and I
say, “Aren’t these fries great
“
And she says, “Oh, they’re the best
They’re so good
” And then she starts
talking about her dad
So
yeah, we love that kind of We are all
into those little details
We love
hearing stuff like that
I I had no idea what was in this box
Um
I love that it was like a time capsule
until about an hour ago
And um
so there’s this envelope here, Drew B,
it says on it
And
and I remember it
I remember her giving
this to me when we were working uh on
it
And this is full of uh letters that
I guess uh her
the people who were in rehab, the kids
who were in rehab
gave her sent to her
and I haven’t looked at them probably
since she went through them and read
them and gave them to me
We were
probably looking for something to put in
the book, but I’m not going to open them
and read them
Yeah, that’s very private, which
we’d all like to do because they belong
to her and if she ever wanted them
I
have no idea what they say,
but it’s kind of interesting to see
them
That’s really interesting
Will want this someday
Oh my gosh,
that’s incredible
Here is the uh first galley
Um and it has This is how you got it
back in the day
Now it’s all books are
all electronic, but this was sent
You
can see it’s oversized
And this this particular galley, it’s
really interesting
Again, I haven’t
looked at this for 35 36 years
Um, so the process is interesting to me,
but knowing what we know about the book
now in retrospect
So there’s this
galley, it’s nicely printed, and then
you come to uh a certain part
And
there’s
an addition
that is pasted in that is uh just
typewritten
It was obviously uh the
extra chapters or addendum that was
added to because it was like basically
done
It was finished and then
relapse
So, um
that’s neat that it’s bound that way
really cool
That is really neat
Um I mean there’s no secrets
there, you know, it’s all in the book
Interesting to look at the process and
it’s totally
to think about,
you know, uh how many people
were uh helping her at the time
I I think I I I remember a few, you
know, a lot of adults around her
Her
her I I don’t remember where her mother
was, but when she did relapse, you know,
there was her
counselor Lori, there was Betty, there
was David Crosby and his wife Jan, there
were there was the editor Jane, there
were her publicist, her manager, all
these people around her
Uh I I think helping her
I was not
around her um when all that happened
They brought me in later as I recall to
chat with her once once it was
determined that she wanted to continue
to go through with the book and and add
the extra material
Rather than scrap the effort
I can’t believe that was a
consideration
But yes, but once again
and and I remember being um reunited
with her to do the work, that last bit
of work
And um can’t remember where we
met, but I do remember her being very
tentative and nervous
that she had done something wrong or
disappointed me
Uh,
and
we very quickly got past that and uh,
you know, told the story and ate our
French fries and had some laughs and and
I remember um,
you know, feeling very good about her
Uh, I somewhere I saw a note but that I
made to myself that I had the sense that
um, she was going to be okay
My note
said, “I I I think Drew is going to be
okay and survive this and grow up and
grow into herself
” Something like that
I wrote
Uh so I feel I feel good that I was
right
Thank goodness
That’s amazing
You actually told a
probably around the same time story that
has I mean I just it stuck with me as a
teenager when it was on the e celebrity
profile where uh you were out to at a
restaurant with her and that she showed
you on her wrist where she had like cut
herself and she said but I’m okay now
and you said that was like a very Drew
way you knew that she was going to be
okay
So it’s like probably exactly what
the notes you were just reading
Good for me
Little bit of memory still left
The the thing, you know, as again
I I said earlier, the thing I remember
most about Drew is is such a big heart
Um, such a great sense of humor, a ton
of inner strength and determination
to um,
you know, to find herself
I I think
there were, you know, I I at the time
had one child
I was married
I’m still
married
Uh I have three children
I
think I had one at the time we wrote
that book and another on the way
And um
and I remember always thinking about how
different our lives were
Uh she came to
our house a few times
and um
I I watched her play with my daughter
who was then about three years old
Um,
and
I saw just the tremendous capacity for
affection that that Drew had
And it
just um
it balanced, you know, it it it was in
counterpoint to the the darkness I I she
articulated and I often sensed being
with her the loneliness, the darkness,
the struggle she had at home
Um, and and it was always I I hadn’t
been exposed to that in such depth until
I I’d been with her
I’d been exposed
to, you know, pretty horrible things as
a journalist
But, um,
right,
nothing like that
And and I always
wondered, you know, as as I watched her
from afar grow up, uh, you know, if if
the difficulty she must have had to
overcome as a young adult and then as an
adult around holidays and, you know,
those family times
and and I thought it was really
interesting
but not surprising how she did overcome
it
She built her own family
She built
her own company
She ended up, you know,
uh, test driving a few husbands and
y
had some children and, uh, and I’m sure
she’s a fantastic mom who, uh, you know,
I I know nothing about her, but I as as
a mother, but I I would imagine she, you
know, is very attuned
into uh,
being a mom and and what kids need
I’d love to know how strict she is
Well, it’s funny that you say that
We
were just talking about how in the book,
and we want to talk to you about Jade,
but in the book, she talks about Jade
and they’re not, it’s not a
motheraughter
They’re friends, you
know, they’re going to be best friends
And Drew has very, very clearly said
that with her daughters, she says, “I’m
not your friend
I’m your mom
” So, it’s
very easy to look and say, “This is
where that came from
” and that’s why
she’s not going to be that way
She constantly talks about her like
utter lack of boundaries when she was a
child and how she’s like learned even
what boundaries are
She’s like had to
learn what that meant to set a boundary
Like she just didn’t her mom set none
seemingly
Um
Right
I I can’t speak to what
their life was like, you know,
when I wasn’t around or if we didn’t
talk about it, but, you know, I I think
you probably,
you know, know more than I do
We’ve we’ve gotten into it a lot
Um,
actually, one specific thing that
relates to the book and Jade is we
notice that Jade is quoted a lot
throughout
Um, but did she have much
say in what was included in the book
otherwise
I don’t recall specifically
I’m going to say that she did as Drew’s,
you know, mom and the adults in, right,
in her relationship
I’m sure she read
the book
I I’d say 100% she read the
book and had to give her approval
Yeah,
makes sense
So,
she was never around um
for the recording
Well, she wasn’t
around for the interviews and she wasn’t
around dictating what should be written
That was really, you know, uh, based on
the conversations I had with Drew and as
I recall, Drew was the
one who had the final say
I’m sure had
input
and and I’m sure there was a manager who
read it and
or
you know I don’t know what what other
what others read and and what say others
had in the matter but I’m sure that
there was
yeah there’s some times in the book
where you’re like wow I can’t believe
they like let that be said about Jade
and then there’s other times where
you’re like oh it feels like Jade is
like sort of putting her slant on things
in this part
So yeah, we’re just
interested like how much input did she
actually have
And I’m assuming you sat
down with her once or twice and got her
little nuggets of information
I I I’m sure I did
I don’t I I do
remember Jade being around and I do
remember it being mostly pleasant, you
know, never on it could be, but there
was a lot of
stress, you know, between Drew and Jade
and times
and uh you know, that could be typical
motheraughter stuff, you know, Drew not
doing her homework cuz
you know, she’d done something or it
could be something more serious,
right
It ran the gamut
Yeah, I bet
Um, we were also curious about, you
know, if you recall like things that
were maybe omitted from the story, some
of them seemingly maybe small, like you
know, some TV movies she did that are
just skipped completely or, you know, we
both recently realized, oh, that whole
thing with Corey Felman like never even
get to mention her little relationship
with him
Um, but we were wondering, are
there reasons for these things or how
does that happen
No, there there’s no there’s not a
reason
Um,
it just wasn’t part of the narrative,
maybe
Or
Yeah, I I can’t answer that question
It’s it’s funny you mentioned that as as
you’re mentioning it
I do remember
Drew going out somewhere with Corey
Feldman
I remember being at the house
and um
there was a dozen or two dozen roses in
Drew’s
room that Corey had sent
Oh my goodness
And Drew was getting dressed to go out
Was it might have been some awards
thing
It might have been Academy Awards and
the timeline fits
They went together in
1989
So it could have been that
I I
don’t know what I would have been doing
there other than an interview with her
or running maybe it was running over um
some of the uh one of the drafts and
wow direction but I do remember her um
going out with Corey
It’s funny
but I don’t I can’t tell you why it’s
admitted or something else
You don’t feel like there were
things that like legal some legal
department said, “No, cut that out or we
can’t include this person’s name
” Or I
mean, I’m sure there’s all kinds of
weird nitty-gritty like that when you do
a book like this
You know, it’s interesting
I uh
that you bring that up
I think I came
across the legal read
Oh,
the I came across this these uh these
notes that I had, but they’re the
original chapter outlines
It says
chapter 1, chapter 2, chapter 3
Little
notes I made to myself
On uh how the book would be organized
I
I’m so much more fascinated by that than
uh
the process
The process and and that we
actually did this and and that it was
the first one that I did
That’s cool
We We didn’t realize it was the first
I
love that
I love knowing that
It makes
it like even more special
that that’s like, okay, it’s Drew
Barrymore with Todd Gold
Like that’s a big deal
There must have
been a big deal for you
Um, it was
And it was a big deal when
it made the best seller list
And
it’s it’s a big deal that um people like
it and and find meaning in it
When it
came out, it it received all sorts of um
mixed reviews
Of course,
many people finding it or criticizing as
as exploitative
of
a teenager
Typical Hollywood
exploitation
Where where are the adults
in the room
Shame on the editors and
everyone else
and I’m sure I re received my share of
criticism for that and I’ve blocked it
out
I
that’s good
Some of that has merit and I I don’t and
and you know some doesn’t
You know, it
depends
I I just think that over time
it’s found an audience
People really
appreciate it
It’s touched a lot of
people
I once checked into a hotel
maybe 10 or 15 years ago and and a guy
checking me in asked if I was the Todd
Gold who um had worked on this book and
he said how important it was uh for
various reasons when he was read it
And you know, I just and there’s
probably a lot of people out there who
who were touched by it and as as
evidenced by the two of you and um that
New York Times story, you know, continue
resonate in in some way
You know, I I
I was I’ve never sought Drew out to see
what she thinks about the book all these
years later
If she doesn’t like it, if
she’s embarrassed by it, if she wishes
she’d never done it
Um,
I don’t think so
No, I I don’t know how
much she’s really spoken very
specifically to it in more recent years,
but
she’s just kind of like
she doesn’t regret anything
You know,
this is part of her story
This I mean,
it’s a big part, but
and she calls herself an open book
still
So, I think
I think it’s right in line with who she
is that she did this
and also knowing how it did help so many
people
I think, you know, after the
fact, after it came out kind of more in
those years, she spoke about that a lot
Like, I’m so glad that, you know, I got
outed by the National Enquirer
That
sucked, but I got to turn it around and
then help people who were going through
similar things
Well, I think, yeah, I I think in that
respect, and I was going to say that it
it it reflects who Drew is, and you
know, or who she was going to become,
but who she was at the time, too
She
was very interested in helping other
people
um she
I I think had had many, you know, deep
connections with some of the other teams
in the program with her and and I
believe that’s probably because she was
as open then as she is now
Uh and and willing to share
And I think that taught her that
too
like she talks about how grueling,
you know, in the book how grueling those
sessions were in therapy and how that
has made her and actually I’ve been to
her live show and there’s something
about the way she runs that room when
the cameras aren’t on that almost feels
like a like a group like therapy group
circle
It’s Yeah, that she’s she’s made
that comparison like that’s was like the
training ground for the talk show
She
seems to have liberated herself from uh
many of the, you know, demons of her
past by being completely honest,
you know, letting those traumas fester
in secret
She she’s, you know, she’s is
as free she seems as free as as you’d
expect
That doesn’t mean she doesn’t
have her deep dark moments, but
right
she seems to be an example of somebody,
you know, who has
acknowledged and embraced the past in in
in a very therapeutic and positive way
I just came across this letters report
from uh People magazine that followed
the first story that that was in People
magazine and uh and I’m just reading it
again for the first time
This was dated
January 20th, 1989
So, it’s 36 years
ago
And it says, um,
“The young teens firsterson story of her
alcoholism and drug addiction prompted a
higher than average response from our
readership
Nearly 90% of respondents
applaud the young actress’s courageous
battle against those addictions and wish
her continued success with her recovery,
including 13 readers who are themselves
recovering from either drug or alcohol
misuse
In addition, it appears that Drew’s
revelations have affected a few of our
readers lives
An anonymous reader
writes, “After reading the story, my
14-year-old sister came forward to let
the family know that she too had a
problem with drinking
” Like many
others, I’m sure we always had the
attitude of it would never happen in our
family by sharing her story
Drew
allowed us to catch the problem before
it got completely out of hand
So,
that’s nice
It’s amazing
So, People magazine like
sent you that as sort of a here’s the
followup
Yes, that was the followup
after that initial story
That’s really cool
We were kind of
wondering in my research when we were
doing the chapters, I I came across that
you had done like a sort of similar
story for People magazine for David
Crosby
Was that how you got connected
to Drew
Because he like said, “I like
Todd
Work with him
“
It it may have been
I don’t I don’t
remember
That David Crosby story was
very memorable
David had uh just gotten
out of jail
and overcome was in the process of
overcoming a bad addiction
He um
I remember being in a in a this little
small rented house uh where he lived and
uh he played me a song on the piano uh
called Oh Yes, I Can
Oh yeah, I know that
Which is very beautiful
which became
the title song on his second solo album
Oh yes I Can
Very profound, powerful
moment
I like David a lot
It was a
strong and lasting connection between
us
We’d see each other
periodically over the years
Um
I’m sure that’s not a coincidence then
I’m as somebody who was like a good,
you know, influence in her life at that
time, I bet he put in your name
is like
put in a good word for you
Maybe if he did, I’m I’m grateful,
appreciative
Um,
yeah
But yeah, I remember David being a
presence in in Drew’s life
David and
his wife Jan
And it’s funny when you look back to
see, you know, the people who pop up in
your life, you know, as as helpers or
guides
And, you know, they aren’t
always there, but, you know, their
memory is or their influence remains
And uh you know, David’s certainly one
of those people
That’s really cool
That’s really cool
Do you want to share the story of uh the
really lovely thing that you did for
Drew recently
That probably all of our
listeners know it happened when she got
reunited with her childhood stuffed
animals, but they probably don’t know
that you are the reason for that
So, um that’s that’s a cute story
uh and I wish uh my daughter was here to
tell tell that story
So my oldest
daughter who I had mentioned earlier,
she was three years old uh when I was
working with Drew
And um and I have vivid memories,
as I said, of Drew coming over and
playing with her and uh I think we went
out to dinner a couple times and uh and
you know, it was interesting watching
Drew’s
But my daughter has vivid
memories of Drew
Being around
Anyway, so she somehow
heard, and you may know more about this
than I do, um, she heard that Drew said
she didn’t have really many artifacts
or, you know, things from her childhood
And, um,
and my daughter, that daughter now is, I
think she’s 37 or 38 years old
She’s a
therapist
Uh she works primarily with
women and girls who have experienced
trauma or eating disorders or very very
uh tough
tough young woman
Um
amazing
but she remember she heard about this
and she remembered that um she had a
couple stuffed animals that were Drews
um that were left uh from a large
collection that Drew gave me
So shortly
after that
Corey Feldman date
as a marker in time, I some I was at
Drew’s house
and she I think she was cleaning out her
bedroom, throwing things out
I I don’t
know why, but um
she offered me her stuffed animals to
take to my daughter
And uh she put them all in a big
green hefty garbage bag
There there
were probably, you know, a dozen and a
half animals
Were stuffed creatures
And um we had
two left all these many years later
Uh
I I don’t know what what else happened
My my daughter claims she gave some to
Tom Green at one point
Really gift to Drew
I don’t know
Oh,
I don’t know what the mechanics around
that are
So, she might have gotten some back at
some point
Fascinating
I I don’t know
But anyway, so Drew
didn’t have anything
My daughter found
it
We had a big pink bear and we had a
little ET doll uh that had been sitting
on the top of a closet in the bedroom
that used to belong to my daughter
And
they’d been up there for
25 at least 25 years
And so I I said to her, “Well, let’s
give Drew these um these dolls
Let’s
get them to her
” And so I I am friendly
with Valerie Burtonelli
Who is on a regular on Drew’s show
And I mentioned this to Valerie and she
said, “Oh, I’ll happily give these to
Drew
I’m sure she’ll love it
” And I I was
nervous that, you know, it was kind of
intrusive or that, you know, she
wouldn’t love it
Uh that she’d given
them away and they were gone
No, not true
But um anyway, so Valerie took the bear
and the ET doll and along with a brief
note from me saying,
“Oh,
hello
” and a longer note from my
daughter
Uh and gave them to Drew
And uh and I
remember seeing a little video of that
online
I I can’t recall exactly what
happened, but I think I think it was uh
it was a hit
And she could tell she was
really touched
And what’s interesting
is the video of her saying she doesn’t
have much from her childhood was related
to our birthday surprise for her where
we used our collection to represent 50
years of her life for her 50th birthday
for
they did that they did that interview
with her saying she didn’t have the
items from her childhood backstage
before she came out and saw everything
So it’s very full circle
That’s great
So the reason that happened was because
we did this
What you What were you
going to ask
I was gonna ask
what did you what artifacts did you
provide for her
Well, you know, she didn’t get to spend
a lot of time looking at it and much
like how you were like we’d love to give
these items back to her
That’s kind of
like we’re always an open door for that
If she ever said, “Hey, I want these
things
But, um, we have like
quite a few things, you know
I don’t
know if you recall when Jade sold a lot
of Drew’s belongings
and the
late 90s she she did a huge auction and
sold a bunch of items, you know, mixed
emotions about that, but I was able to
get my hands on just two little pieces
Um, one was like a ballet outfit,
leotard and tights from and ballet
slippers when she was three as Jade’s
writing in it, Drew
And then like a pen
from the the Just Say No campaign
And yeah, like just you know, things
we’ve collected here and there
Like I
have we have a chair back from the set
of Fire Starter and um like a letter and
a picture that Jaden Drew sent to a
publicist once
Just um you know, things
that she definitely doesn’t have
And we
kind of recently came to the thought
that like, wow, her daughters might want
these one day, you know, and we’re happy
to hand them over
We’re just out here
trying to preserve her legacy because
she’s never saved anything
And thank God that you were able to
reunite her with something so touching
I Yeah, I think I from what I recall of
the video, she really seemed to like it
and I hope, you know, I think her kids
will like it even more
Stuffed
those stuffed animals
They were uh you
know, I think one was a big pink dancing
bear and the other, as I said, was an ET
doll
And
you know, I’m sure I’m sure they went
over well, but it was fun
It was fun
giving it back
And we found the
photo evidence, you know, of her in
1987
There’s a picture of her in her
bedroom and all the stuffed animals
around and there’s that distinct bear
It’s like, “Oh my god
“
And Valerie seemed to enjoy seeing that
She responded to that and was like, “Oh
my gosh, yay
Two of the nicest people I I I
know
So
incredible
So, I guess the the last thing I think
I’ll ask, you’ve kind of talked about
watching Drew grow up, but I want to see
if you can summarize what it’s been like
for you to watch Drew evolve and grow
into this icon that she is
What is that
like for you like knowing where she was
when you wrote the book
Well, it’s it’s funny because I I I
think she was probably already an icon
She’s been an icon
several
incarnations
I mean, there’s
there’s Gertie and ET
That’s pretty
iconic
You know, and and and Kid and Fire
Starter
That’s pretty iconic
And and
you know, and and then when when I think
about who Drew is now or or presents
herself on TV and what everybody says,
I’m I’m just not surprised
I I think
that’s what you get
That’s where you
end up
If if you work on yourself and
you’re open and you decide
that your life’s work is going to be
about sharing
uh your gratitude and appreciation for
you know the this this miracle of life
with with people and you’re you approach
it with a fearlessness of uh
acknowledging your your ups and downs
and especially your downs
I mean,
yeah
And that’s what I think Drew
is so good at and what people react to
and why her show is is a success and and
why it seems like such a natural
progression from child actor to uh adult
actress to producer to talk show host
I
I feel like she uh
had something to say uh but was also
unlike so many people willing to listen
and really listen and react to what
people say
I I you know I I know I’ve
read that she’s been criticized for
sitting too close to people being too
too touchy feely but I I think that’s
part of the process when you are intent
on creating you know in front of TV
cameras in an audience a moment of of
intimacy and and trust
uh in getting somebody to have uh
uh genuine conversation
and to uh and to uh draw out real
admissions, not not stuff that you’re
going to hear on every talk show, but
stuff that, you know, actually uh allows
those watching and listening to have
their aha moments of recognition
And I
think because she’s such an open book,
she’s able to do that
She she gives
those moments of herself and it allows
people to feel comfortable enough to
share the same thing
So I’m not surprised
I mean that’s a
long way
But when you um you you know
people have two two options
you know,
you you remain damaged or you um or you
accept that, you know, all of life is is
full of light and dark and and and
change and and you embrace that and and
you see what what’s going to happen next
and you try to get better and better and
uh and and learn more and more
And I
think that’s really Drew’s gift right
now in this moment that she’s having is
is she’s decided to uh share all that
Yeah,
she’s finding value
I don’t think it’s
any surprise that she’s doing it too
with her kids growing up and and she
probably, you know, it it probably makes
for some good dinner conver table
conversation
I know what we’re like, has Olive picked
up little girl lost yet
and come in
like, “Tell me about this part, mom
“
She probably doesn’t have to, you know
Drew probably told her
She’s probably told her or she looks at
her and go, “That’s my mom
” And she’s
living her own life
I’m sure is encouraged
and and to have
her own, you know, uh, triumphs and
mistakes and and figure things out for
herself
The the advantage she’ll have is she’s
got a really insightful uh, strong mom
You know, something Drew probably didn’t
have
So, I’m not surprised
I I I think it’s
I think Drew’s, you know, where you’d
want her to be
uh and where more
importantly where she’d want to want to
be
Takes a lot of work, a lot of
courage and a lot of determination to
get to where she is
Uh and
you know, I I I feel a great deal of
affection even though I haven’t seen her
for
right
tremendously long time
I feel a great
deal of affection for her and and uh and
you know happiness for her
It’s it just
you know she she’s an inspiration uh you
know for real and
you know so that that that’s where I
take you know little girl lost in the
book was was an important stepping stone
in that path and uh you know uh so I I I
take a lot of pride in in the work we
did in the little placeholder that
occupies in her life
Damn girl, you are a writer
Yeah, that’s so perfectly said
That’s exactly how we we’re like this is
just one little part of her life, but
it’s so important to so many people and
it’s just it makes up who she is
Well, I think you too should be
commended for, you know, devoting so
much time to this book and really
investigating it
I I feel uh bad that I
I came upon you late in the game
and didn’t go through the first 30
chapters with
and
we’ll just have to go back and get our
lingering questions and see if you can
pull them out of your notes
Yeah, it’s
it’s it’s really such an honor to uh to
know that you’ve done this and and uh
taken the time to, you know, focus on
this this work and and expand on it in
in,
you know, the way tech I mean, when we
did this book, you know, computers were
new, desktops were new, the iPhone was
still 20 some odd years away from being
invented
The story would be really different
Yeah, the story would be really
different if there was any form of a
cell phone
or social media
Imagine social media in
that time
Her her story would have been
blown way before it was if there was
social media
So, it’s incredible
What I was going to say is is compliment
you on taking,
you know, this book that was done at a
certain point and really expanding the
story and being part of it
You know,
now this is part of that literature
It
it doesn’t just belong to me
It’s it’s
it’s by Ashley and Ann, too
We’ll take it
Is that like Can we write
it down here now
I I
That’s so kind of you to say
We’ll write the second edition
Little girl found
I I I I would love to know, you know, g
given the way we’ve just been talking
about Drew and what her trajectory was,
it would be fascinating to know what
happened to some of the others who were
in rehab with her
Did they
manage to come out as good
What were
their paths that they followed
Um,
absolutely
Again, Drew’s Drew’s path,
you know, there there weren’t a lot of
adults there to guide and shape her
She
had to build this her own structure, her
own family, and
you know, to get to where she is today
She’s really sort of a miracle when you
think about it
Well, she’s an inspiration
She’s
definitely an inspiration
and and you
know and part of that is just her
willingness to to share everything that
she’s been through and and drawn out in
others and and to show as I as I keep
saying you know life is full of ups and
downs it’s constantly changing we
experience the light and dark we slip up
we triumph and uh you know and we learn
mostly that we’re all pretty much the
same we’re all rowing in the same ocean
yeah we’re all human
We are all human
I think she would love that
Yeah, I think so, too
Um, okay, Todd,
this has been so great
Thank you so
much for taking this time to do this
with us
We so appreciate it
Um, I know
it’s a testament to Drew that it pulled
you out to do this with us in a way
Maybe it’s a testament to our
determination to get you to do this
But
I think that that’s evidence of your
affection for her is that maybe you
don’t do stuff like this, but I’m so
glad that you were willing to talk about
this and talk about her with us
And
it’s been lovely
Oh my gosh
Thank you very much
Certainly occupies
an important place in in my life, my
career, but more it’s it’s really a
thank you to both of you
That’s the
reason I did it
you know, for uh you
know, the the time and the effort and
the enthusiasm you bring to the book
And as I said, the way that you are
extending the story and keeping it alive
in in 2025, it’s it’s it’s fascinating
to me to see how a book that was written
in 1989,
published in 1990,
35 years later, is expanded upon, you
know, by by both of you
So, thank you
That’s really cool
Thank you so much
Like, what a way to close out this thing
we’ve been working on for a year and a
half
It’s just the ultimate
Thank you
so much
And if you ever need help with
that box, you know, you need an
archavist to take care of it for you
You know who to call
I know exactly who to call
It would be a dream for us to just see
it
I mean, absolutely
Thank you, Todd
We really appreciate
getting to meet you and chat with you
Thank you very much
Have a great one
[Music]
Okay
Still reeling from that
Still
pinching myself
Can’t believe it
happened
Thank you, Todd, for giving us
your time
I mean, it’s we kept laughing
because in Little Girl Lost, it says he
leads a distinctly unholy life
So,
we’re like, so cool that he opened his
treasure trove
Like,
we could go on and on
We are really
grateful to have had the opportunity to
be where we’re at that like that’s even
possible
Can you imagine as a 14 and
16year-old reading this book being like
one day we’ll get to ask him all these
questions about it and he he’ll show us
his his materials from working on it
Guys,
wild
What is life
Guys, we made a new friend in Todd Gold
Never would have known
Um, and I think it’d be really cool to
say here Drew’s acknowledgement to him
in the book
We’re just going to quote
it because it’s great
It’s um
she says, “Todd, thank you for giving me
a great ground to stand on and believing
in me
and
and he still does
He has such a fondness
I feel
like he says like affection like
we’ve read like a really lovely quote
that he like put up when when the whole
strike was going on
He
you guys heard it
there’s this
affection and he understands why he
seems to understand why we would be
interested in this wonderful person
Like he seems to get it
Again, thank
you so much Todd
Thanks for celebrating our girl with us
And congratulations little girl lost on
turning 35
Not that I had a choice, but
congratulations on you know what
Congratulations on having this relevance
that it was enough you know that’s why
he is
honored
grateful
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maybe we’re digging up old work but also
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How Do You Drew Episode 114 – David Letterman Flashing

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How Do You Drew Episode 117 – Charlie’s Angels

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and welcome to How Do You Drew
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And thanks to our sponsor and friends at
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I’m an Ashley
And this week,
we are finally discussing Charlie’s Angels
[Music]
It’s kind of wild that we waited, but also it
felt really daunting, right
And when
when you were going through this process, did it
feel daunting
You know, it’s funny
I’m going to
mention it a little bit later on
There’s a way
that Drew kind of describes Flower Films taking
it on and I was like relatable because I was like
this is going to be a lot and it it’s a lot like
there’s no way we’re going to get to everything
There’s yeah just so much we could delve into
There’s so many tidbits
There’s so much to
talk about
Even just talking about the movie
like there are so many costumes that it’s like oh
yeah another scene, another scene
Another scene
we have to talk about
So, let’s get
into it
Um, we’re just going to kind of get the
what do you call it
Like the big stuff out of the
business
The business
The business
This film was directed by MC G, the lovely MC G
Uh, it was written by Ryan Row and Ed Solomon and
John August and many, many others
We’ll talk
about that
It was produced by Leonard
Goldberg, Drew Barrymore, and Nancy Jonan
And do you want to talk about why we’re here
So, this movie was released on November 3rd in
the year 2000
And this is the Yes
I was hoping
you’d do that
This is the 25 year anniversary
That’s insane
And happy 25 years
Half a freaking
quarter of a century
What is even happening right
now
This movie just came out recent
This recent
film from the year 2000
Uh yeah, I feel like I
because it’s so close to my birthday, I remember
like being excited and almost felt like a gift
like you know when this was coming out
Let’s talk
about that
Like I mean this is I think we have
this shared experience of this being sort of the
first production that Drew did um as an actress
or producer that we really followed the process
from the start
Like we knew when it was
announced, we knew when they started filming, we
saw the paparazzi photos
We got all these little
like casting info
Like every step of the way,
our little grapevine drooy crew was like watching
the news on it and sharing it with each other
So
this was I mean not only is it just a huge movie
in so many ways, but it was huge for us to like
it was an event
We were like so like tightly knit
connected with that message board and this really
was like kind of like maybe the height was kind of
like right in this range, right
Oh, totally
Um,
what do you remember about seeing it with it being
sort of a birthday gift to you
You know what
I
I sadly don’t remember seeing it vividly
Like I
don’t remember the experience in the theater
I
know I’ve loved it every time I’ve watched it,
but I don’t have any recollection of like the
first time
I just know I was excited
And I
think I even got like the movie poster before
I saw the movie
Oh, totally
And it was
like I had the shiny one that had like silver foil
all around
I was in college and
my friends Jenny and Claire, we literally took a
bus to get to the movie theater
Jenny had been
like also like kind of following all of the like
news and stuff and she like brought me all the
stuff back from London where she lived cuz it was
always, you know, was in all the magazines
We’re
going to talk about that, too
But, um, yeah
So,
it was really exciting and I freaking loved it
Like, how do you not watch this movie and just
have a blast, right
I mean, it’s it’s not
supposed to be serious
It’s you’re supposed to
come out of it a little bit like, okay, yeah, that
was fun
You know what
I didn’t pull it
We had a
quote a couple episodes ago about something funny
that Drew said about it
And now I don’t remember
like the source of it, but it was something like
you want to come out of it and like make out
with your girlfriend or like go have fun with your
friends
Like that’s how she wanted people to come
out of the movie
So yeah, we we are very nostalgic about this
film as you can see
This is like you know it just
marks this certain point like how old was I
I had
I was about to turn 16 and I was 18
Should we read our
favorite IMDb summary
Yeah, go for it
Three private investigators are assigned to track
down a kidnapped software engineer, but the case
isn’t always as straightforward as it seems
It’s
a very vague way
That’s all it is
Three private
investigators
No like high jinks, disguises,
adventure fights, like none of that stuff
That’s
I mean I guess that’s the plot
I guess that’s the
point is like funny
It’s kind of giving away
There’s a twist with this uh kidnapping
It’s Do
they always refer to the char like the angels as
private investigators
I was wondering that too
because at one point I was like, “Oh, they’re
spies
” And then there’s another point where I
think Knox says you’re a detective
And so, yeah,
I don’t know
Maybe it’s like a very, you know,
the angels are the angels and that’s all you need
to know
I never really thought about like,
yeah, what category do they fit in
I just knew
it was like you come to them if you have a very
specific and like need that requires a lot
of knowledge and skills
Um all right,
let’s get into the making of the film
So there’s
a lot that went into this
Um obviously there’s a
lot of history because it’s Charlie’s Angels
So
it’s based on the popular 1970s Aaron Spelling
Leonard Goldberg television show if you’re not
aware of that for some reason
Um Drew said about
the TV show, I loved it
I collected Matchbox
cars and Tonka trucks and it was the one show
where I saw women driving really cool sports cars
Isn’t that fun
That’s really fun
She also said,
“I always just remember that there was nothing I
didn’t like about any of them
I loved all three
of them so much
” And I I didn’t note it here,
but I do remember Drew saying that like at one
point they wanted the original Angels to cameo
It was never able to like be figured out
But I
think she said her envision was or her vision
was that her the current angels and the former
angels would like pass each other like passing
the torch like an escalator or something
And
that was sort of what she ended up doing with the
Siza video, just walking by her and being like,
“Oh
” So she was comparing those
That’s kind of cool
That is cool
So,
let’s get back to the making up
So, when Nancy
Javonan learned that Sony and Colia were making
a film version in 1998, she immediately knew
that she and Drew just needed to get on top of
it
Like, this was the project
She like felt it
They were passionate about it from the start
Um,
they pitched it using a videotape montage that
Drew had compiled of film of like clips from
other movies
So, she basically made like a real
um using clips from Lost in America, The Jerk,
The Red Balloon, and Raging Bull
And it was to
like explain like this is what the tone that I’m
going for is
Um I was thinking that it reminds
me of um the fact that like when she did Whip It,
we know that she had like a wall of like
inspiration
I was thinking the exact
same thing
She’s very into like mood boards
or mood videotapes, I guess, right
And like I I
had this like, oh, it’d be so cool to see that
knowing she curated it
Really cool to
like get into Drew’s brain and think about that
stuff
So, it was announced in February 1999 that
Drew and Flower Films were officially attached
to the project
And I’m sure we found out about
it right away, right
I was going to say like
February 99 like that
It’s like it was
such a peak time, right
Um, so this is what I
was referring to earlier
So Drew said, quote,
“I feel like step one was producing Never Been
Kissed
We kind of skipped steps two, three, and
four and went straight to five
I don’t think we
had any idea how intense it would be
” And yeah,
preparing for this episode felt a little like
that where I was just like and I was trying
to like do it in a short amount of time
should
have should have done it earlier and it was just
like oh my god like I was literally telling you
I was in yoga yesterday trying to be present on
the mat and instead I’m like thinking about
all these different notes I wanted to add
literally like text about Drew flying at you while
you’re closing your eyes trying to zone everything
out just for an hour please
All right so um
anyway you just we just love it so much that
you can’t stop thinking about it
Um, so Drew
and Nancy like really really like went to bat
for MC G who was a music video director
Can I ask
you real quick
Were you familiar with him
before this
I knew the videos and I don’t know
that I had noticed that director over and over
again
I was like an uber nerd about music
videos in the ‘9s
And like this will probably
come as a great shock to you, but all the ones I
recorded, I also made notes of who the music video
director was
So I would pay attention to like
the repeating person and what their style was
So I recognized not only MC G because I knew his
name
It’s very unique
And he’d done like Sugar
Ray and Sublime and stuff, but his style was very
like saturated colors
And like there’s parts in
this movie where I’m like, “Oh, that’s exactly
what he kind of has in one of his music videos
“
And Right
So I like I remember being like,
“Cool
” Like this will look great
And
I think I I can’t I don’t know if I was aware, but
also this is like a time when my uh musical taste
was like changing also
So I might not have been
watching MTV or if I was, I don’t know
Anyway,
um so this film was MC’s feature film debut
So basically at that point he was known as this
music video director um and he gave them a super
enthusiastic pitch for his vision
So he set the
stage here
So here’s a quote
One thing about MC
G when he did his presentation to us was that he
was ready to act it all out to us scene by scene,
shot by shot
It felt like a historical moment in
my life
His presentation itself was worth doing
the movie
He is full of passion, enthusiasm,
optimism, and energy
That his belief in us
made us work harder and be better at our jobs
I do know that there’s a part in the DVD special
features where Bill Murray is kind of making fun
of MC G like he says like if you put a quarter
in him, he’ll do the entire movie
And like But
that’s so cool
He really like got into it
He
was like this is what it’s going to be
I also always really loved the way that he
describes his vision um in this little clip about
the storybook pages
Each scene, you know, had its
own signature
I wanted it to feel like a gigantic
story book where you were turning pages
You
remember the scene at the racetrack
You remember
Cameron’s dream
You remember Lucy inside of a
chrome Airstream trailer, the Swiss Miss yodeller
scene
You would never confound this page with the
current page with the page that’s about to follow
I love that
Love that the story book part
I mean
that kind of is what I was saying earlier like
there’s so many costumes, there’s so many like
different things that you can’t describe without
saying like what their disguise is basically
I love that
Um everyone in the
casting crew raved about that enthusiasm and joy
and energy that he brought
Um he’d applaud after
se like every single scene throughout filming
like enthusiasm to the max
Like absolutely,
absolutely
And this is a cute other little
clip of Drew just gushing about McGee
I have
a love and a loyalty towards this man because I
continued without doubt to trust his instincts
I
love that
And I know that we know that there was
quite an affection like they she like because she
had gone to bat for him like I don’t know
I also think it’s interesting that flower films
frequently had these like instincts about people
like I think about Richard Kelly with Donnie Darko
also first time director also got push back from
you know whoever the financers studios whatever
like and they were like no like this is this
is the guy he has the vision we’re going with
him and it’s very similar in that way it’s so cool
right I really like that um should we get into our
little encounters with pink G briefly just briefly
we’ve been lucky enough to meet him three times,
which is hilarious
Okay, so I’m remembering
two and Why don’t I remember the third
So,
let me What I think is the first was on the set
of Full Throttle
Okay, so we weren’t Well,
okay guys, the set this day was Hollywood
Boulevard and it’s Yeah, it wasn’t like a closed
private set
He just was like walking down the
street and we were like MC G
and he like stopped
and talked to us and we took a picture with him
and it was like here he is directing this gigantic
movie on Hollywood Boulevard and there’s like no
one around him
It was crazy
And then the second
time we met him I believe would have been when we
just happened to go see Confessions of a Dangerous
Mind on opening day in a movie theater and he
was like two seats behind us and we got to talk
to him after and it was like almost empty, wasn’t
it
I feel like it was like us and him and like a
few other people and it like maybe it was like a
matinea like I remember it was like it might have
even was it New Year’s Day
Yeah, it was something
weird like that, right
If like everything about
it felt like very specific but it was just like
holy [  ] McGee’s behind us and he’s so nice And then the last time, what you’re probably not remembering is that we went and saw him at the Arklight for one of those Master Storytellers Q& A’s for Charlie’s Angels And we also took a picture with him after that I am completely blanking on this Yeah, I don’t remember that one as well either If there wasn’t a photo, I’d probably forget it even happened, which is crazy Where was it The Ark Light Same place where we saw Kevin Williamson do Scream and then Drew and Nancy for 50 First Dates, of course So, I remember those Why don’t I remember Anyway, I don’t know We did too many cool things back in the day, guys Remember remember that I mean, do you remember we met Cameron Diaz Cuz I always forget that and I just saw her name and I was like, “Oh, yeah We met her, too ” That’s right When you’re around LA, a lot things like this just happen It’s just encounters with people who are, you know, it’s like whatever It’s their town So Drew convinced Cameron Diaz to sign on even without a complete script So uh here’s a quote It says, “Cameron is effervescent, optimistic, and has a great strength and stability in her She is one of the most real people I have met in my life I’ve always wanted to work with her I thought it would be great to do something fun together, and this is an opportunity that’s different from a lot of films because of the various aspects And there’s like all these fun stories about how of course we know the magic of Drew picking up the phone and calling somebody for something It like happens so often like Right Cameron said like they talked for so long that like her cell phone was like burning up her face and the battery died because they just started like getting all these ideas and getting so excited about what this could be I love it so much So Drew and Cameron spent the next few months like in story meetings trying to figure out their characters and then more importantly they started this intense training for the martial arts and wire stunts in the film And I found out that it was in the um what was at the time the LA Park Plaza Hotel’s basketball court which is like such a fun little snippet I was like I have to write that down somewhere We can’t forget that It’s now called the MacArthur I love that I even found pictures of it I was like, “That’s so cool ” I love that I love these little things We just live for this Tidbits galore Give them to us So, we remember this vividly So, rumors went on for like so long about who the third angel would be Um, some actresses mentioned included um Angelina Jolie, Sandy Newton, Jennifer Lopez, uh, Penelopey Cruz, and Jada Pinket Smith Um, you made a note here that Sandy Newton has said like I think outright that Amy Pascal was kind of racist to her about this opportunity Which is crazy because like by looking at these names with the exception of Angelina like there clearly were going for like a minority for the third role and having diversity which is great but yeah it uh didn’t the things that um Sandy said was like cringe Oh, Amy Pascal I always think of her crazy hair at Drew’s star ceremony I can picture it I pictured a picture that I took Um um other others who were known to have auditioned include uh Nia Long and Regina Hall And those are just like what people we found out like they’ve both uh mentioned on on Drew’s show Which is really cool But of course, when Lucy Lou came in, there was just immediate chemistry They all knew she was the one Um, a quote from Lucy is, “I don’t think I’ve ever laughed so hard at a reading I forgot about the job for a minute It was more about finding friends I was hoping I could get to know better ” A I know And then Cameron also said, “We all have the same sense of humor We all have that same twistedness about us ” So, they just like clicked And it’s cool because Lucy brings a very different energy than Drew and Cameron do, which is perfect That’s what you want But like yeah, there was something that they all connected and like had the same about that like filled some gap Like it feels like a like circle or something I wonder when they started calling each other Pooh I don’t know Probably right away I could see that That’s like definitely a pet name that continues Um, all right So now let’s talk about the cast because there’s a pretty amazing cast It’s kind of crazy Like we can’t can we even mention everyone I don’t know There’s so many like fun little cameos and popups At one point like while I was watching the film, I was like it was like this person followed by this person quickly I feel like it was like Bill Murray and then Tim Curry It was like them back toback And I was like, “Oh, cool So, let’s let’s let’s talk about uh the angels first ” So, Drew as Dylan Uh Drew said of her character Dylan Dylan was the wild one who had been born into reform school She was the Wendy O of the Angels completely badass Like she’s a Hessher An absolute rock and roll reform schoolgirl Hessher I also think it’s funny that she had described herself in rehab as like Wendy O, like trying to get everybody riled up So, I I just wanted to like explain because I don’t think I knew this outright, so I don’t know if other people do So, Wendy O was a famous like singer of a punk band called The Plasmatics Um, and I pulled a quote It says that she was noted for her onstage theatrics which included partial nudity, exploding equipment, firing a shotgun, and chainsawing guitars Yeah, that’s Dylan vibes I get it, right So, it’s kind of cool, you know, and when even when they’ll get into it, but when they show her at the very beginning, like she’s totally a Hasher Um, another thing that Drew said was that after playing so many good girl roles, she really wanted to play someone who had a [  ] drink, loved to
have a kind of wild night, and also just had balls
of steel, would jump off a [  ] 50ft building and not question that she wasn’t going to make it okay because it wasn’t about making it okay That was a given I wanted to play a little bit of a badass I wanted to play someone who was unashamed and was in touch with her sexuality and in touch with her bravery And yeah, I would imagine going off of Josie Grossy, this is like such a change I absolutely love it Although there are some Josie mannerisms that I’m gonna note Yeah, I’m excited to hear like of course it’s like it’s Drew It’s still Drew But I was I’ll say really quickly because like she definitely like got into that role Like even when you see her like there’s one point when they’re sitting in um the agency they’re like sitting on the couch and the way Drew’s sitting like she looks like a badass like kind of slumped down I know exactly And she like has like one of her legs up or something but like it’s very there’s something very like confident about just the way she’s sitting that gives off this vibe So okay so we mentioned Cameron Diaz Uh she plays Natalie Um she’s kind of described as a California girl next door goofy but genius And then at Lucilio is Alex and she’s like the high class sort of born with a silver spoon angel And it’s just such a great like great combination like to go from hey we don’t really have a script We don’t know who these characters are Like I feel like they really did great like nailing it all down So and then we mentioned Bill Murray Bill Murray as Bosley Um it was apparently pretty hard to get him to sign on Um he even did the uh Oh yeah, we I forgot we I think we talked about this when we did the SNL When they were trying to get him, Drew attended the SNL 25th anniversary special and he was hosting it and he came up to her in the audience and started singing Don’t Go Chasing Waterfalls And it was very much like, you know, I I even finally found like the source of that information And even Nancy was like, “Yeah, we were trying to figure out for a while what he was trying to tell us with that ” But he eventually relented, so I’m like, “Get over yourself, Bill Sam Rockwell, who we love Um, he plays him, too Yes, we have Didn’t we like conjure him Yeah, that’s a better way to put it We conjured him out of the ether on on Sunset Boulevard We’re like, “We’d love to meet Sam Rockwell ” And like five minutes later, he pulled up in a car and ran into a store in front of us It was so weird, guys It was so weird So anyway, Sam Rockwell, he’s Eric Knox MC G and Sam wanted the quote unquote good version of the character to be really like warm and fuzzy and with like messed up hair or like Spike Jones or Beck Totally comes off Like right when I read this, I was like totally Um, and then he and Drew, Sam and Drew would soon play love interests again in Confessions of a Dangerous Mind And later they played Siblings and Everybody’s Fine Um, anyway, we love Sam Rockwell You met him again Yeah, because we didn’t actually talk to him that time It happened so fast and it was so [  ] like what
Like he clearly was,
right
I think he must have like It was book soup
It was book soup
I think he must have
like paid and then like gotten it and left like or
something like it was it was yeah it was like less
than a minute
I don’t know
It was so fast
So I
got another chance and I was like I am not missing
this opportunity again and I like fully stopped
him in like a food court of the Palms and got a
really cute picture
We’re going to have a lot
of cool pictures of us with people to put in this
one
Um, Kelly Lynch is Vivian Wood,
Knox’s business partner, and you know, she also
turns out to be a bad guy
Uh, and then Crisen
Glover is the creepy thin man
And I thought this
was fun
MC G said that Crispen, this is so like,
yep, what exactly you think Crisen would do, gave
him three pages on the psychology of the character
and that everything all the way down to the way
he held a cigarette was completely planned out by
him
just I mean speaking of cigarettes like when
he smokes and walks like his smoke like whooshes
behind him and it looks really cool and I was like
I bet that was him completely like doing that
For somebody who has no dialogue in this
entire movie, he makes such an impression
It’s
like it’s really cool
He only like screams
Yeah,
he does scream
You’re right
All right, so then
we have Matt Leblanc as Jason
Um, he plays Alex’s
love interest, which is Lucy Lou
And if you don’t
know about his bangs in this movie, you’re in
for a treat
Um, all right
So, then we’ve got
Tom Green as the Chad
He’s one of Dylan’s love
interests
Drew was a fan of his TV show and on
MTV and kind of had a crush on him and wanted
him in the movie
So, she charmed him, right
There she goes again
and she charmed
him so much that they ended up getting married
eventually
They started dating during filming
and then they were married in 2001
And
his whole like testicular cancer went on during
filming of this like Whoa
I didn’t realize it
was kind of the same
It was exactly the same
timeline
Same exact time
Yeah, I know
She had a lot going on at this time
It’s
crazy
she like made her way out of this year
Um,
we also have to mention Luke Wilson as Pete
He
becomes Natalie’s love interest
And, you know,
interestingly enough, he was Drew’s most recent
ex at this time
And sometimes I wonder like how
did she feel watching her best friend flirt
with her ex like, you know, on camera for for
the movie
But still, it’s like I would love to
know
I don’t think we’ve ever found out like how
he ended up in the movie
Why they asked him to do
it because he’s so cute and charming
I don’t know
what When was the last appearance where they were
seen together
It was like right at the time she
was training for Charlie’s Angels
It was
like the end of 1999, like right when she like the
those pictures of her changing in the parking lot
to jog was because she was training for the movie
Oh, that makes sense
So, maybe maybe
it’s a thing where he had the part because
they were together and then they split up and
then all of a sudden she’s dating Tom
I don’t
know
But like the part as not her love
interest is someone else’s
So, it’s it’s kind of
interesting
I mean, either way, he’s great in it
Oh, I love him in this movie
He’s so sweet
So,
then I we mentioned Tim Curry earlier
He plays
Roger Corwin, the owner of Knox’s rival company,
Red Star
Um, he’s like a villain but not the
villain
He’s like a jerk, but he doesn’t he’s
not really the bad guy
I think we we think he
is and then it turns out he’s not
He’s so like
memy in this movie
Yeah, he is
It’s perfect
though
He He does He does a great job
Um,
and then John Foresight is returning as the
original voice of Charlie from the TV series,
which is so cool
I love I love that they
got that
Like that’s so rad
He said I did
a special with Drew when she was 10 and I said
we’ve got to act together when you grow up
Oh,
that’s so sweet
It is sweet, especially when you
think about like how Dylan is sort of like the one
who’s like doesn’t have a family, sees Charlie,
but also like the novelization really hammers home
like her wanting to see Charlie
Like in every
phone call she goes, “Charlie, can you join us
“
Like it’s kind of goofy, but I wonder if like that
was in the script where it was more like she’s
always searching for that
Interesting
So,
we have some of our Drew regulars on the crew
So,
the makeup supervisor was Kim Green and
the hair supervisor was Barbara OA and they
frequently worked together with Drew for years
and years and years on a lot of her stuff
Um,
we were lucky enough to interview Kim on our
episode 20 and she told us that she always loved
working with Drew and Nancy and Flower because
there were always days of makeup planning and
tests and she absolutely loved doing like all
of Dylan’s disguises
So, go listen to that
episode if you want a little more
We have those
amazing Polaroids that she shared once online
that like have totally made their way all over
the internet, but it’s at like eight different
Drew Polaroids on the set of the movie
And oh my
god, Kim, if you ever want to give those to us,
please do
Oh, the DM would be the place
for them
We should tell her that
But her makeup
in this movie is so beautiful
Like there’s a lot
of really bold, colorful choices with the lips and
the eye shadow, but it just totally works
I love
every single one works
Everything works on that
Why is she so beautiful in this movie
I don’t
know
I think I think she just is very beautiful
and this is like and this is showcasing it
I
think it’s like it’s purposely showcasing their
beauty and power
The angels are elevated, right
So everything is elevated, including their
beauty
And of course her red hair
Like I
I think that was such a cool choice for her to do
Like I still to this day will never get over
her not doing it red for the sequel
Anyway,
and like she loves red heads
She’s always talked
about how red heads are like the hottest thing in
the world
So I just I think that was a brilliant
choice and I’m sure that was her decision
Yeah,
I’m sure
So then the casting
was done by Justine Battley and Kim Davis
Wagner
Justine was friends with Drew since she
was like 13
They lived together for a while
um in the 90s
And then Kim Davis is Tamara
Davis’s sister and they did casting for a
lot of Flower Films productions as a team
I feel like they worked as a team
Yeah,
they always worked together
Yeah, they still do
Oh, that’s so cool
Um, and then Drew’s assistant,
credited, is uh Chris Miller, who we
love
And wait, we’ve met him, too
We probably have uh gushed about Chris
Miller many times, but like we love Chris Miller
He became our go-to guy for such a long time
He
is now the showrunner for the Tonight Show
Like
he is owe him a lot a big shot
He
g he gave us I feel like he he definitely is the
reason that we were able to do what we’re able to
do recently
He like opened the door to give
us what Drew says
What did what did she say
We
have um direct access
Direct access to her
That
all started with Chris
By the way,
that’s very nice of her to say, but there’ll be
more about Chris a little bit later on
Um okay,
the costume designer
We have to give credit to
this guy cuz hello, this movie costume’s amazing
It’s Joseph G
Alisi and I think this is cool
He
thought it was very important to give each angel
their own signature style
And I just pulled this
little quote that he had about Drew’s character
because that’s who we are here for
He said,
“As for Drew Barrymore’s fun reformed rebel
character, Dylan, Alisi said he incorporated
the actress’s real life neo flower power fondness
for vintage clothes into the wardrobe
He believes
Barry Moore’s best attributes are her shoulders
and neckline, so he put her in clothes with deep
plunging necklines
” And that made me realize
like when I read it, because I always think Dylan,
I always think like rock and roll look, but she
actually in the first movie is more like bohemian
She’s wearing a lot of like these kind of flowy
covers like I chose to wear today
Like she
doesn’t really have with the exception of the rock
band which is a disguise and like her flashback to
her, you know, high school bathroom or whatever
Like she doesn’t really dress like that
That’s
true
It’s kind of interesting
One other cool
thing about Joseph is that he did her dress for
the 2000 Oscars, which um the Angels all went
to, and we’ll mention that later on, but this is
the one with the plunging back line, which is so
cool
And um I know we’ve mentioned this before,
but she specifically said that dress was lost in
her house fire
At least we
have a million pictures of it, right
the
Oscars like they take I don’t know sort of to go
back to the Oscars
Yeah, me too
So, um many of the costume pieces for Charlie’s
Angels were created by John David Ridge
Um and
it turns out he designed Drew’s wedding dress
for her marriage to Tom Green in 2001
So, it’s
kind of cool that she like had them make personal
clothes for her
Found that out
I was so pumped
to like get that piece of information
We have
a whole episode on Drew’s weddings and we didn’t
know anything about that dress
In fact, there’s
no good photos of that dress
It’s very hard to
see the details of it
But when I found that out,
it was like just so cool to learn that
And we
ended up contacting like a university that has
his collection in their archives and they sent
us like some of the documents from when he was
designing the dress
It’s just like so neat
It was so cool
Um, all right
So,
the martial arts, we mentioned that Drew was
training
Like, as soon as they basically decided
they were doing the movie, they were training
Um,
Chen Yan Yun
I don’t know how to say that
Uh,
aka the master
I love this guy
He didn’t
he do the Matrix
Yeah, he did the Matrix,
which is very like you can see the the inspiration
in there, I think, in some of the scenes, right
So they trained with like
they did real training, real I mean there is a
great video on YouTube that we’ll link to that
it’s from the DVD, but it shows like what they
went through and it’s really I’m going to mention
this again later on when we go through the movie,
but it’s really like satisfying to see like them
trying to get moves down and like looking kind of
sloppy to what ends up, you know, happening when
we see it on screen
It’s just so cool
And they
had a lot of respect for this guy
It sounds like
he’s the master
He was making them as powerful as
they needed to be, right
Here’s just
a little quick clip from Drew talking about the
training process
Your knuckles would be broken
with bloody vessels and you just thought, “Yeah,
that’s so hot
” You sweat, you bond, you learn
things that you never thought that you could do
It’s just so cool
like Drew not ever thinking of
herself as that athletic, right
To see the things
that she was able to do after this training
I’m
just so proud
Every time I watch it, I’m like,
look at her go
It’s so cool
I mean,
this was a cool movie, you know
Like it’s that’s
the thing is it’s like fun
She got
to be cool and do cool things like anyways
So, we mentioned um earlier that there were
many writers that worked on this
So, famously,
there were like many writers and a lot of rewrites
and like day of filming, I think they were like,
“Here’s some new pages
” I love this screen cap
you put in here where it’s like the different
versions and their date
So, it’s like blue
version, pink version, yellow version, and it’s
like days apart
And then it starts getting
real random
Salmon cherry
Guys, there’s like 10
different versions on just this screenshot
There
probably were more
There’s probably more
So, we know that an early version of
the script had something to do with supermodels
being cloned and Drew and Nancy were like, “Eh,
like they ditched that immediately
” Um, and
the writer, John August, recalls he had an early
meeting with Drew about the screenplay where she
really emphasized that she wanted the angels to be
confident on the job and giant dorks off the job,
which is so fun
That’s so Drew, too
It really really that’s totally her
Um I do want to say like so like I said
I read the novelization because sometimes you
can get little snippets of things that were cut
out of the movie when you do that
So it’s kind
of fun
But it really drove home the fact to
me that like the script is pretty like when
you’re just reading it and you don’t have like
the imagery and the music and like the all the
charisma from the performances and just all of
the things MC G brought to it
It’s like, wait,
what’s going on
It’s But that’s
not what we’re here for, so it doesn’t matter,
right
I mean, there’s a very general conflict
that resolves
Like, that’s that’s it
That’s all
we really don’t worry about those weird details
about the satellites and right, things that don’t
make sense at all
Um, Drew had a very
clear stance that she didn’t want the angels
to have guns
And I feel like this was like in
a lot of the like media about it
It was like
they are using their hands like they are doing
martial arts like we’ve said
So filming started
on January 10th, 2000 and it ended approximately
in May
And one of the cool things that we kind
of had mentioned this before was that we would
get to see a lot of paparazzi photos which like
you know paparazzi we’re not always here for it
but we got to see like a lot of onset pictures
whenever they were filming like out in public
So,
we there’s some really fun pictures from all the
different scenes
I love the one of her and Tom
where she’s got that the messed up hair from the
in the makeup from the beginning of the movie
I for some reason really remember the ones
of her in the water and it’s probably because it
was like printed in People magazine or something,
right
It was like a two-page spread or
something crazy like that
And they’re so of
course she looks beautiful
So
despite rumors to the contrary, the actresses got
along really well and became lifelong friends
I
mentioned earlier I was trying to figure out when
they started calling each other Pooh
And I feel
like every time like Drew and Cameron do anything,
even publicly, they are calling each other
Poo
Like it’s so cute
Um Drew said,
“It’s like I finally know what it’s like to have
sisters
It’s like I finally get it
” A that’s
so cute
I mean, and it’s so obvious
I
was kind of laughing because I don’t know how much
you were paying attention during the the Wicked
um promotional tour, but like Cynthia Revo and
Ariana Grande got like so much [  ] for how they were constantly like holding hands and touching each other and loved each other so much And I was like the Angels kind of did that first Actually, they did And I’m sure there was like I’m sure there were people talking [  ] We were just
out
Don’t you remember the SNL Weekend Update
skit where they had like versions of the Angels
that came out and they kept touching each other’s
hair and like showing their butts and Jimmy Fallon
is like We’ll have to link to it
I I think it’s
on YouTube
Remember this
It’s so good
It’s so
good
It’s really funny
One of the rumors about
an onset issue was actually true and it was an
argument between Bill Murray and Lucy Lou over
how the first Towns end agency scene was was
going to go
Um, McGee explained that it was a
passionate conversation reminiscent of a Sunday
night dinner table
Um, and Nancy Javon said that
Bill Murray came into the production kind of late
with all kinds of ideas of how to save it
um
Lucil didn’t agree with some of those ideas and
told him rather forcefully and they argued
So
there was something
And it’s crazy like
how much that story was printed at the time
So
like it obviously leaked at the time, got printed
everywhere
There were a lot of people talking
about it and it still comes up like Lucy just
had to address it in the last few years and it’s
like there’s really not that much to tell there
like he was kind of shitty with her because she
was like a TV actress and like who who are you
And she stood up for herself and everyone walked
away and came back and it was fine
Like right
[  ] happens This probably happens all the time on every movie set But also good for Lucy I like her balls there So um one last thing about the production is at the very end Drew threw a huge rap party at her house This was the house on Cherokee that ended up burning down Um, supposedly it was the best party that anyone had ever been to And in Premiere magazine, it said a thousand people showed up at Barry Moore’s house where there were canvases and paints laid out, four bars, and a game room with air hockey The actress also set up a room where old episodes of Charlie’s Angels played continuously Can totally picture it That’s so cool I love that so much I want to go to a Drew party Hey Drewies We are here to tell you about our website hosts Positive Medium and they sponsor the podcast We’ve been clients of theirs for over 10 years and we use them for all our website needs on the Druzium Their services include customized web design, professional coding, search engine optimization and marketing, plus hosting, which has been huge for us for many years Plus, their incredible customer service has been one of our favorite features They’ve literally saved our site quite a few times, and they always help with minor troubleshooting in a matter of minutes So whether that’s coding issues or back-end questions, etc , We reach out, we get help immediately, which is just invaluable To our listeners, Positive Medium is offering 25% off any managed WordPress hosting plan using our promo code Drew That’s D R Ew Visit our friends over at positivemedium [Music] the movie, y’all Charlie’s Angels I can’t believe we just talked for like an hour and we haven’t even started the movie Well, there’s a lot there’s a lot about this production There’s a lot Now, let’s just have fun Let’s have fun And we’re going to come out wanting to What is it Make out with our girlfriends So, let’s just jump right in Uh let’s jump into the Colombia logo clouds I love that like beginning like immediately you know, oh, this is something different like you don’t normally have the logo and then you go into the clouds of it and it now you’re in an airplane Like such a great idea Um they do this really long extended what looks like a one shot It’s actually three They like point out in the um commentary where they are where the cuts are But I love one shots I’m such a sucker for them I mean they’re they’re so cool They’re just because it’s just you know so much is going on behind the scenes to make it happen and like everybody has to hit their marks, right It’s just so fun Um, and I did want to point out that the very beginning opening song is Blind by Korn and MC G had directed that music video So, that’s kind of fun Um, so then the master Chen Yan Yun, I hope I’m saying that right Um, the he has a cameo as a plane passenger and then we have Shaun Whan who was Drew’s assistant and never been kissed playing a terrorist which is great And uh there was a random nun planted in the plane That was apparently NY’s suggestion She thought a nun in first class was really fun Um okay, so basically you guys know what happens We have L Cool J on the plane and he’s got to get this bomb off the plane and then they skydive It’s like so action-packed right at the beginning Like I love it Right off the bat The actions really starts immediately They’re like jumping out of a plane and less than four minutes into the film there’s an explosion And like then there are several explosions when the like titles come up It’s kind of amazing Yeah, it’s definitely there’s a lot of fire They even used fire on the poster I remember like behind the silhouettes of the angels It was like kind of part of the whole theme So there is some uh really cute bloopers of this, but Drew um takes off the LL CoolJ mask Wait, it’s not really LL CoolJ surprise I’ll just say like I like how when they first show him in the plane, he like pushes on his neck, you know, and I was like I was like thinking about it I’m like, “Okay, it’s it’s obviously actually him ” But it’s funny that they’re like It’s a good little detail Anyway, I also had to note that the mask the mask of El Cool J was created by a famous special effects artist, um, Rob Bin And my boyfriend really wanted me to mention it because he was so impressed that they had this really famous special effects artist Oh, that’s so cool I didn’t know that at all I believe he did The Thing We did like lots of other stuff, but I believe that’s one of them Really good Like I always watch that reveal closely and it’s done extremely well Like I totally You totally buy it Yeah, totally And yeah, it’s it’s adorable Will we get to see Drew’s face for the first time in the movie And we I love her first line Let’s hear it I think you mean crazy [  ] [Laughter] She’s
like, “Surprise
I’m a cute little red head
Not
this big this big dude you thought I was
”
And I just have to say, and we’re going to
say this probably so many times, but each of
the angels, this is when we meet each angel
we get to see their kind of reveal
They all
look so stunning
Like just I know that was
like a big thing for MC G to have them look like
very golden, very lit from within, but wow
These
first three shots you’re just like, okay, so
they’re all unbelievably beautiful goddesses,
right
Like the team did exactly what they were
supposed to do
You said elevated earlier and
it’s totally elevated
Like they are dressed and
made up to look just their best
Then we get this montage, a really fun montage
at the beginning
And some of the segments were
from the first day of shooting at Huntington
Gardens
Um, including the army crawl shot,
which is like just really quick
There’s a lot
of just like flashes
Can you imagine like just
doing costumes for like just a flash so fast
So many like quick snippets of the
angels like in their lives before they joined the
agency
Um, we, as we mentioned before, there’s
Drew being like the rebel girl in the bathroom
smoking
I feel like I remember that cast that
she’s wearing being auctioned off
Does that sound
familiar to you
I’ll have to
look into it because I do also remember the the
muffin prop being auctioned
That’s funny
Yeah,
very funny
That’s really funny
Where where
are all the other costumes and props
Um,
we’ll talk about a little costume stuff later
We
know where some of them are
I love that
just in this little um montage, Drew gets to show
off that she can like cross and roll her eyes in,
you know, like in a very like, you know, she can
really has control of her eyes and it’s in the
scene with the drill instructor and I just I just
love it
I’ve always loved that for some reason
It’s really good
Just shows her like I don’t
know, the comedy in her, you know
Our little ham
Um,
another thing I wanted to note is that they
show the angels reading a newspaper that says
mystery women save Mount Rushmore
And um,
Drew had that prop framed in her Flower
Films office
At least she did in 2001,
which I think is really neat
I’m totally here for
that
I love that little tidbit
I also love
there’s this super quick like you’d probably I
mean I think nowadays it’s you’d know what it is,
but at the time you’d have to have read the books
There’s Drew, Drew’s character being like Harry
Potter, like in disguise
It’s the invisibility
cloak scene where he like puts on the cloak and
goes to the library um into like the forbidden
books or something like that
And it’s crazy
because so this is a full year before the first
Harry Potter movie even came out
But that’s wild
The shot that they do in the movie is so similar
to the one in Charlie’s Angels
It’s like kind of
weird
They just took it from Charlie’s Angels
like the angle and everything
I’m like, “Wow,
she really knew what that scene looked like in
the book
” That is really weird
Please put that
in the gallery because I think people should
see the comparison
That is so It blows my mind
that it’s before the first movie came out
Because like the only reason why I have an image
of Harry Potter in my mind at the time I wouldn’t
have known
I just remember like hearing
about it like she really liked the book and so she
thought that’d be fun to throw in there
Um, one one other thing about
this quick little 5-second montage that we’re like
still talking about
It’s great though
I just
think this is so funny
So, I was watching the
like behind the scenes footage of like the very
last part where they jump and it like goes into
the title card and um it was clearly filmed at
Universal Studios because in the background you
can see the Grinch sets which would have been
like filming at the same time because the movie
was released two weeks after Charlie’s Angels
Remember they had those sets there forever though
on the tour
You could definitely
see them
Is that what it’s called
That’s really funny
Really magic
I love stuff like that
Like just
like what’s right next door
Like what’s on the
other side of the camera that you have no idea,
right
It’s like behind the scenes why we love
it so much
So now we get the Chad,
his boat
This is Tom Green
It opens up with Drew
looking super sexy and then she gets up and her
lipstick is like smeared all over her face and
her hair is insane
It’s just perfect
It’s so
like over the top
There’s like water dripping on
her leg and it’s pans up over her hip and you can
see that she’s nude under the sheet
Like it’s
just like so funny
It’s so great and it sets
the scene
It sets the tone for that character in
a way
and the Chad’s character because uh
right off the bat he’s a little he’s a little
weird
Is it the Chad
It might be the Chad
[Applause] Starfish
And then what is he
He says it was the Chad
like a bunch of times and then jumps and then he
throws his food in the water and falls
I wouldn’t even call it jump
It’s more of a like
slow tilt, right
And and I feel like I feel like
that was improvised
I don’t know why
So,
that’s so funny that you said that
In the
commentary, MC G says that he and Tom pretty
much came up with that idea on the spot
and it got MC G in a lot of trouble
Oh,
like probably I don’t know, insurance
Who
knows like what the reasoning, right
Because
they didn’t they hadn’t planned to have him
jump in the water
Oh my goodness
Oh,
that’s so funny
It was worth it
I mean,
it’s I mean, it’s so funny
The little bit of him,
it’s just enough to get like the full Tom Green
I told you in our text yesterday, I’m like,
I should be annoyed by him, but I can’t
I’m
sitting over here just laughing so hard
He’s
so weird
He’s so weird
And somehow, yeah,
somehow he got us
Um, so my recollection is
that this was the scene that was being filmed when
our grapevine drew friend Venus like found out and
got to like basically like wait by the side of
the road and meet Drew, right
Do you kind of
remember it being this one too
Because I feel
like it was like a harbor the harbor thing
Like
that’s what I remember
It doesn’t really matter
It was definitely on the side of the movie
Let’s
just say that, right
And I’ll just tell this like
really quick story
I reached out to Venus because
I saw her pop up on my Instagram feed and I was
just like, “Hey, we’re about to mention you on
the podcast
” Um, so one of the coolest things
is that she told Drew about the message board
And I think she had Drew sign something
that had like pictures of us on there
I
think she made this like poster board and she
put like all of our names around it which was
so considerate like right so thoughtful and Drew
wrote to the grapevine all my love and beautiful
energy
I’ll never forget it
I’m not reading it
right now
I just remember it
I remember reading
reading her story and seeing that picture on the
on the message board and like sobbing because it
was just like it was so touching
I probably
thought at the time it was the closest a Drew
I’d ever get
So, Venus, I have a little
like just a little snippet she said because I just
love the way like her perspective
She
said, um, seeing an SUV stop in front of us,
the window rolled down and seeing it was actually
Drew driving
We didn’t have the internet or
socials like we do now where we see a glimpse into
our favorite celebrities lives
So, seeing this in
real life and her wearing cozy clothes and a day
of action-packed filming hair made her so adorably
a real human person
Oh, I do remember she’s
wearing like her Uggs and like sweats, of course
Yeah, it’s so cool
So, so neat
Anyway, we had to
mention that because that Well, this all just kind
of um solidifies or is a very perfect example of
how in it the team was
The team being us,
the drooies on the grapevine
And we have
like I have a horrible teenytiny printed version
of that picture of Venus and the poster board
And hopefully Venus can get us and Drew obviously
And hopefully Venus could hook us up with a better
version because I I would really like to share it
I And I want to see it again bigger
Yeah, I do
too
Like I I can picture it
So I must have
it either in my mind’s eye or saved somewhere
All right, let’s get back into the movie
So,
we get like the also the sequences of Natalie and
Alex like doing their things and in the morning
and getting the calls to come into the agency and
then that’s where we end up at the Townsen Agency
to find out about their new case
Um, I thought
this was interesting
The prop department believes
that they got the original speaker or probably
not the probably one of the original speakers
from the TV show
And it does have like a very
beat up scratch look to it
So I I buy it
Like
I don’t think there was one throughout the entire
show and this is the one
Maybe that’s why it’s
like we believe cuz maybe there were so many that
like they don’t even know which ones were actually
on the air at this point
I don’t know
But
that’s fun
Um, we immediately get to see
Drew’s very random the spiral curls that are mixed
in throughout her hair and they totally recreated
that for the Barbie doll version of her
That’s
funny
Um, and I just again her perfect red lips
in this first part
Like perfection
I think
I have a memory that this was Jillian Frink
Dempsey’s line, Deluxe Beauty, and it was the
Clovis red lipstick, but I have not been able
to confirm that
So, just putting out there, it
may have been, and I could be also totally wrong
Yeah, how do you confirm that
Ask Jillian
Yeah, right
I have been reaching out to her
hoping she’ll come on the show, but no response
yet
That would be cool
That’d be way cool
Um, I noticed that uh Natalie is reading a
book that says it’s called Music of the Birds,
which I think is kind of fun because it’s like
laying the groundwork for later on where she
can understand bird calls supposedly
Yeah, we’ll
talk about that
More on that
More on that
Um,
I love that tidbit
I did not notice that
Yeah,
I was watching a very high quality version of
this movie where I could see things that maybe I
normally hadn’t
So, Alex, you know, she’s like
trying to be I guess in the book, aka probably
the script, she really loves Martha Stewart,
so she’s trying to be like a homemaker
That’s
why she’s always like cooking and stuff for
her boyfriend
Um, so she makes muffins
and apparently they’re horrible
And I always
love Drew’s delivery
She smells it and just
very like under her breath goes, “Oh my god
Like I can’t even pull the audio because it’s so
subtle, but it’s so good
And then pretty quickly
she decides she wants to throw one of these hard
apparently smelly muffins at um Natalie and she
does this little like tongue waggle that is like
so funny and silly
Um and
this is the scene that caused that Bill Murray
Lucil fight
And it’s kind of a weird like the
dialogue is a little weird in this scene
So,
I could see how there would be like discussions
about it because he’s like saying that whole
thing about the heart being a muscle
I mean,
it’s funny, but it’s also there it’s never landed
for me
I’ll be honest
That’s interesting
But none of that matters because then the
phone rings and we get the iconic moment
Good morning, angels
Good morning, Charlie
You got to have that moment
You got to have
that moment
And they it’s just a beautiful a
beautiful homage
I mean the whole thing
is the whole thing is but that and the fact that
it’s actually John Foresight is the coolest
It’s the coolest
So Charlie’s going to
tell them about their new assignment for this
uh tech billionaire guy who got kidnapped
And the tech billionaire that’s Sam Rockwell
Um I always love Drew’s like not Drew I guess
Dylan’s little smirk when she sees him
Hugans,
you can see they’re planting that she thinks he’s
cute
Like it’s like she just gives really again
subtly really well done
Um and then
their client is uh Knox, his name is Eric Knox,
his partner, and her name is Vivian Wood
And I
know like with hindsight at the end of the movie,
you know that her character is like faking this
whole thing
So, I’m I want to like hope
that Kelly Lynch was intentionally delivering
her line so phony here
Like when she’s like,
I know he’s still alive
I’m like, I’m not buying
it
And you know, right off the bat, props to
Natalie
She’s like, she did it
Like she knew
Right as she’s walking in
She calls
it at the beginning
That’s how like wise they
are
That’s how um wise is not the word I want
Uh
uh savvy
That’s the perfect word
That’s
how savvy they are
So then we just I
just have to mention this
So there’s like this
spa
Apparently it’s called Madam Wong’s House
of Blossoms
Um and the angel I like that you’re
like, “What is this
” And I’m like, “Hello,
it’s Madam Wong’s House of Blossoms
” So um
Tim Curry is there and they need to like get is it
his fingerprints at this point
I can’t remember
No, they’re getting his uh like his PDA
They they
download that and they get his car key imprint in
that cool little compact
I love that little Oh,
that’s right
I can imagine the sound
of that thing closing and it’s really satisfying
I love it, too
Why is that
That’s so weird
Anyway, so the angels are dawn in full Asian
appropriation
Like full uh pretty bad
I always
love Drew in a dark wig
I hate that
I’ve always loved these pictures because I’m like
she’s so beautiful and then like in the year 2025
I’m like appropriate
I should have done that,
right
Um I mean I I said I always love her in a
dark wig
What I meant was I always love her with
dark hair
It doesn’t have to be a wig
It doesn’t
have to be a wig
And then this movie is like boom
boom boom
Like the picture book thing is totally
happening
The pages are flipping
the angels are
going to get some food because it was like a real
point that which is so funny like that just tells
you what where we are at in society
This was
printed everywhere
The angels are going to be
enjoying food like they’re going to really eat
like real food and it was like such a thing like
I don’t know
It’s just so funny
I don’t they
don’t even ever show them eating which is like No,
they don’t
But we get the order
May I take your
order, please
I’d like three cheeseburgers,
three French fries, and three cherry pies
What do
you guys want
[Laughter] And then I love that we
get that classic little Drew air guitar when like,
who wants to go to a party and that brings out
that goofy side of her
This
was like day two or three of filming and it was
done at Fosters Freeze in Torrance, California
And Ann and I were lucky enough to go there once
and it was pretty cool
We have pictures on the
drizz
comloations if you want to check those out
It’s not nearly as like bright and colorful and
graphic as it looks in the movie
But it makes the perfect It’s like perfect
I
don’t even know what type of car that is
Maybe
like a Challenger
It’s a Camaro
I’m
pretty sure it was mentioned a million times in
my research, so I feel pretty good about that
And is that what they went to
The pre No, I’m
thinking of Full Throttle
the full throttle
Full
throttle premier
So,
Corwin’s party
This is Tim Curry’s character
So,
at this point, they think they’re like basically
investigating him
We should probably also mention
the appropriation that his character does
He has
like a whole Japanese fetish
Like his house is
like shipped over from Japan
Like everything
is themed to Japan
It’s It’s a strange little
like character trait
I mean, I guess
people get obsessed with cultures that are not
their own
I don’t know
I’ve always loved
how glam Drew is in this scene
She looks so hot
like immediately walking out of the elevator
So
beautiful
And like this is what another thing of
just like where we were at in society
Her waist
is so itty bitty teeny tiny in this scene
And
somehow the media was constantly telling us that
she was like a bigger actress back then
Like
she’s tiny
She’s beautiful
at any size
But anyway, um I always loved when
Bosley like taps a waitress on the shoulder, ends
up being Natalie and he’s like, “Oh
” And she like
she so cute how she’s like she like holds like a
little like straight face when she looks at Tim
Curry’s character
It’s so cute
This there’s so
much charisma
I love Cameron Diaz in this movie
I don’t think we said it enough
She her
smile just she’s amazing at this
She’s adorable
She’s so cute
Yeah, she’s completely lovable
And
then Lucy is such a like great dead pan hilarious
actress in this
I fully remember me and my
friends being in the audience like screaming
with laughter at the parts with Lucy where like
the random guy is coming up to her and she’s just
like, “No, no
” And then of course the flip your
goddamn hair
Like we were dying laughing
She’s
so good
Um, all right
So then
there’s a really cute exchange between the angels
when they’re encouraging Natalie to talk to Luke
Wilson’s character, Pete
It’s so cute and funny
I remember thinking at that time, weird
to have Drew encouraging someone, like I think you
said earlier, someone to flirt with her ex
It’s so cute
It’s just perfect
like you know
wingman type stuff
It’s really good
Um there is a deleted scene
So like originally
when Corwin is like challenging Bosley it like
oh can you you know oh you ate this blowfish now
let’s see if you can do this
They went into like
this Marco Polo game in Corwin’s Grotto with like
a bunch of girls and it’s like and then when he
lost that he challenged him to the sumo wrestling
I’m glad they cut it
It’s like unnecessary and
again very silly
All right, then we get into
the first like fight scene of the movie
They spot
the thin man and it’s got this amazing soundtrack
under it, guys
It’s perfect
Smack my [  ] up by the prodigy I love this moment It’s so great Like this is like I literally get like goosebumps I’m like, “This is when [  ] gets
real
” And like all that training they did, we get
to see it pay off and they look so incredible and
it’s just like the music really adds to it
Like
I think that’s one of MC G’s like specialties
I would say and probably Drew as well cuz we
know she’s really good at putting music into
her productions
It just like brings up the scene
so much
Speaking of elevating, yeah, that
raw footage that you can see on the DVD of this
scene where like all the wires are still there,
the music isn’t there, and like it changes the
tone incredibly
It’s It’s really awkward without
the Yeah, it’s so awkward
Um, one other thing I
want to mention about this scene, because you know
how I am about like false information
It’s like
the number one thing to get me heated and mad
Ever since like day one of this movie, there has
been this prevailing movie mistake internet rumor
that Drew accidentally says loose, like Lucy
And
it’s so clearly Lucy saying brace when they’re
like putting their hands together so that Natalie
can jump
That’s like I found it again
Like I searched came right up
I’m like wrong
So, just, you know, officially setting the record
straight on that one
But this this fight
scene is just it’s so good
It’s really good
Um,
it would be really funny to see footage of Crisp
and Glover studying with the master
Yeah, because
like he does a lot in this movie
Like the end
scene again, he’s fighting with Lucy
He’s like
bringing it and I’m like, what was that like that
training session
Like he’s so intense
He must
have like done it separately
He’s a quirky guy,
right
I mean, yeah, that’s why I can’t imagine
him like doing the training
It’s so funny, right
Um Nick G said that he tried to get the angels to
amped up to be as macho as possible and you know
like the whole running and everything
He’s just
like, “Yeah, yeah, you can imagine
” Yeah, I can
totally imagine it
Um I think actually in that
footage you hear him say like at the beginning,
right
Doesn’t he say I believe it like Drew I
don’t I don’t remember
Um I forgot
that this is how they end up getting led to
um Knox and Ralo’s character being tied up
Like
I didn’t remember that chain of events
Even when they reveal that it’s like
Knox and Dylan’s like Knox
Even there she’s
kind of like hi
Um, and I will
say, so the next scene they’re like with Knox and
Vivian at the agency and they’re like planning
the next steps and I remember the first time I
saw it being like, wait a minute, does she like
think this dork is cute
What is going on here
Like I did not get the appeal, which is so funny
cuz I think he’s so like now I’m like, hell yeah,
Sam Rockwell
But at the time it wasn’t doing it
for me
I don’t No, it’s about his his like vibe
like getting it like seeing him act in multiple
things and then seeing like him interviewed and
seeing how freaking cool he is
He is one of those
like personality makes him even more attractive,
guys
So, now we’re at the racetrack and this
was filmed at the California Speedway in Fontana,
which is my hometown
And I was living there
at the time
Um I have a newspaper clipping about
this
Um, and it has a picture of the car flipping
through the intersection
So, it’s not actually
from the speedway itself, but right outside of
it
Wasn’t it on Cherry
Why do I remember
that
Is that the name of the street
I was actually just going to say that
And
it’s that’s it’s probably I’m going to guess it’s
maybe like five miles from my parents house,
maybe less
Were you just dying when you
knew that it was filmed there
Do you remember
I
remember being like, why didn’t I know yesterday
you know, like that she was there
Yeah, that would have killed me
Um, they ended up
making this like a trial race in the movie with
no spectators in the stands for like studio and
budgetary reasons
Originally, they were going
to make it like a major race with the stands
just totally full and then the studio was like,
“Yeah, that’s not happening
” And they’re like,
“Okay, I guess cuz they’d probably have to it
actually had to be like filled with extras
Like,
what would they do
” Like, yeah, that’s that was
the plan
That is wild
Um, I thought this
was interesting
I do not remember this tidbit
and it actually came up twice in my research
Oh,
so Drew is wearing this platinum blonde wig and
she, you know, Alex is like, “Do your thing
“
And she gets into Corwin’s car with his driver to
try to like distract him
Um, and apparently she
was going for Seikka Energy
And Seikka was
a 70s8s adult film actress
And I couldn’t
find that much about her or like even that many
photos of her where I was like, “Yeah, I see it
“
But I I dropped this one in here
But I was like,
that is so random
Like what a what a vague little
pull
But I guess that was just her vibe
That was
probably in her mood board
And in this picture,
because of the platinum blonde, you see it
immediately
And I don’t know anything about
her actual vibe, though
You know, like um MC G
says in the commentary that she was wasn’t exactly
known for her Shakespearean qualities, whatever
that means
I think that probably means
she came across as like kind of ditzy and airy,
you know, sort of like Drew’s being in the scene,
right
Did you say who the driver is
So, the driver in this scene in Corwin’s
uh car is Andrew Wilson, Luke’s brother
Um, and
this is the second of Five Flower Films roles
that he did
So, he’s in Never Been Kissed
He’s
the like security guard
Is that what he is
Um,
what is he in
Full Throttle
He’s like a cop at
the like the CSI kind of crime scene scene
Oh,
yes, of course
Um and then he’s in um I’m also
blinking on Fever Pitch right now
He’s the
like d the other guy
Oh, see why am I so Because
it doesn’t feel like him in that movie
You know
what
He feels really different in all of these
cuz the last one you list here is Whip It and
he’s the he’s the coach
His best one and that’s
so great
Yeah, I love him in Whip It and he gets
he gets the most the most in that one
Everything
else he’s just kind of like little things and then
he got like a full role
Yeah, they definitely
at some point called him like Flower Film’s lucky
charm
It’s just so cute
A It’s so cute
Um the
director of photography, Russell Carpenter, said
that he didn’t usually operate his own camera,
but in this scene, he felt compelled to get the
close-ups of Drew in the car
He doesn’t
like laugh about it or anything, but I’m like,
well, this clearly cuz she’s looking so hot
Um, this is interesting
though
So, the shots of Drew, like there’s one
angle focusing more on Drew and then another
angle focusing more on Andrew
They were shot
on different days in different locations because
they ran out of time at the raceway
And MC G
is like telling Russell like he’s so impressed
with how well he matched it because you can’t
tell
Like I was looking really closely and you
cannot tell
And it’s so believable
Drew’s
character, Dylan, is supposed to be distracting
him with her like absolute hotness
She looks
amazing
It’s totally believable
I love cars
Do you like fast cars
I like fast everything
She licks the steering wheel
His
little Oh my god
I think it was also fun to
see her be like overtly sexy
Like, you know,
she’s like im immediately like it’s hot in
here
And like speaking of plunging necklines
How are her boobs staying up like that
They’re amazing, right
And the the neckline
goes like to her like belly basically
Um,
and then apparently the shots, so Natalie sees the
Finn man in a race car
She drives after him and
the shots of Drew and Lucy that are like talking
to her, um, were also shot in the studio parking
lot because they ran out of time
Yeah, it’s just
so funny to know those little things
Um,
and then I love that you noted this
So, they’re
in my hometown Fontana and then within like
seconds they’re at the a bridge in Long Beach
Movie magic
That probably takes I don’t
know an hour, 45 minutes on a great day
So,
we get this quick little scene where they’re
planning on how they’re going to infiltrate
Red Star
They’ve decided that Corwin’s Red
Star is like behind the kidnapping and they’re
going to find out about how the security works
there
It’s just really fun
Um, and I noticed
that Drew is wearing the outfit that she ended
up wearing to the Blockbuster Awards in 2000
We had already known that she had to go
straight from the set of the film in a helicopter
to make it on time
And I like remember knowing
that that outfit was in the movie and then I
thought it was a different scene and I was like,
“Oh, I’m wrong that it’s not in the movie
” And
then when I watched and saw it here, I was like,
“Ah, I was right
It is in the movie
” That’s so
funny
I’m I’m guessing she probably just like
went in her makeup and everything
The Yeah,
they changed her hair
But it’s so fun
Oh,
then they probably changed her makeup, too
Um,
of course we get more cultural appropriation
Oh, this one’s even worse
Yeah, it’s part of
the plan to um to get into Red Star and they’re
belly dancers in this one
Um, but again,
it’s fun to see Drew in a disguise
Yeah, but not
so fun to see the brown face makeup, right
Oh,
that was so unnecessary
The year
2000
And that was the fingerprints, I think
Um, I love the scene following that where
she’s in the lab
She looks so pretty
Like I’ve always loved how she looks there
And
the lighting is like blue or green or something
It’s really It’s really cool
It’s very sciency
There’s like like beakers and bubbling stuff
I’m like, “Okay, sure
” Speaking of disguises,
we get the Swiss girls outfits
It’s all like
again like really fast
Boom boom boom boom boom
boom
[Music] My stinking box is sexy
[Music]
I’d love to know what she’s saying there
The music is giving me matter horn,
by the way
I like did never have noticed
until just now
And the singing
is so not their voices
Not even close
But I love it
I love those outfits so much
I love the pictures of them on the set in
those move in those outfits
Um, all right
So,
now they are uh an infiltrating red star
So,
they’ve gotten the things they need
and we’re going in
Insert barracuda
[Music]
Okay
Um, and this is so this is so great
because one of the disguises is Drew dressed as
a man and Cameron is as well
We love this
It cracks us up so much
I’m laughing already
just like little man Drew
Like why is it
she doesn’t even look like herself
It’s
crazy how like like Cameron still looks like
Cameron
Drew does not look like herself
Um,
I found this weird little snippet that said
supposedly this day after filming, she stayed
in the boy drag to like surprise Tom for dinner at
Muso and Frank, but Tom came dressed as a nun
So,
like, where are the photos of this
I’m having
a hard time believing this happened
I believe that she went, but that he was dressed
as a nun at the same time
I don’t know
I mean,
he is kooky
Those wacky two in that relationship
always up in the stakes, right
So,
there is a small appearance by Melissa McCarthy
really early in her filmography, which is cool
Um, and she also has a cameo in the sequel
So,
yeah, the same scene as um Andrew Wilson
Yeah, it’s just fun
Again, it’s one of
those like flower films or maybe we I give this
to Justine and Kim where it’s just like somebody
so early before their stardom like in one of their
movies
It happens a lot
It’s really cool, right
Um Lucy, again, this was another scene where she
was just killing me and my friends
She’s so good
in this scene
My favorite line is, “Who else has
an idea like this man’s Coke machine
” And then
they all raise their hands
It is really funny
the crowd like going behind her as they distract
the entire office while they’re while the other
angels are breaking in
There’s apparently
a deleted scene of Dylan, Natalie, and Corwin in
the bathroom
And the set was designed to look
exactly like the bathroom in The Shining
Like,
that is rad
It looks exactly like it
Like, it really does
That’s cool
It also makes
me sad they like went to all that trouble
and then it didn’t make it into the movie
Yeah, I know
Hey, at least they apparently took a
snippet of it and used it for the opening montage
of Full Throttle
That’s funny
Yeah, that’s
what I remember
Anyway, I hope that’s right
I’m
pretty sure it is
Um, I loved having more footage
of little Drew, even though this scene like it’s
not good
Um, she does this little like adorable,
hilarious dance in the deleted scene that I think
is very similar to the one that’s at the end
end the blooper end
Yeah, she’s just like loving
being this little man
There was
actually also a part in the footage like behind
the scenes where probably MC G says something
like ladies and she’s like excuse me and they’re
like she he’s like sorry men or whatever
Her and
Cameron just totally hamming it up
It’s so good
That’s funny
All right, so the next scene that
comes up Dylan goes to Knox’s
And I think this
was originally going to come earlier in the movie
before they made some changes
It was going to
happen before the racetrack scene, but she’s there
to like, you know, set up security at his house
Um, I love that they use Spandal Ballet’s True
because I immediately think of the wedding singer
and me too
Robbie and Julie
Apparently,
it’s in duplex as well
I don’t remember that,
but I found that in my research
I’m like, is this
just a mo a song that Drew loves or what
Um,
I just made a note again like she looks beautiful
and like do I need to keep saying this
Like I
know probably not
She does though
It’s hard
not to make notes about it, right
Drew and
Sam’s first Scrabble fun is in this scene
And two
years later in Confessions of a Dangerous Mind,
there’s a Scrabble scene
Why is it make me
They’re so cute together
And Nick G said it to us
because we had just watched the movie together in
the theater
And I forget even how he said it
I
think he said like, “Oh, it was so fun to see Drew
and Sam play on screen playing Scrabble again
” Or
I I feel like it had to have been intentional
Like that can’t be a coincidence, right
Like
I don’t know
I don’t know
Maybe George
Clooney was like, “What game should you guys be
playing
” And they were like, “Oh, let’s do
Scrabble Off
” Because we had a whole thing
about them in Charlie’s Angels
I don’t know
I
like to think that
It’s It’s really cute
And I think you started to say they’re so cute in
that scene
Well, in both like I just
love how Drew she she has great chemistry with
him in both those movies
Um
not so cute is the like additional footage that
they were going to have on this scene
It’s so
awkward
I can’t It’s hard for me to even watch
It’s It’s really bad
It probably didn’t have the
like right music in it
Basically, the original
idea was this was going to come earlier in the
film and Dylan was going to cut this little moment
short, like she was gonna maybe kiss with him a
little and then be like, “No, no, no
You’re a
client
I got to go
” And and she like leaves
and they ended up she ends up coming back later
at a different day, but they took that out
So,
it looks like this is like she stays the night
I like the way they cut it in the movie cuz she
just goes to I want to shake and then it’s like,
you know, it’s implied
We don’t get this awkward
like dancing and Yeah
It’s so bad
And being
thrown on the counter
But there
was a deleted scene where apparently she’s back
at Nox’s for some action
Um it’s not on the DVD,
but it’s shown in the TV trailer
It was pointed
out to us by Charlie’s Three Sexy Sleuths
So,
thank you for noticing that
It’s a friend Marcus
I love it’s like a super fast brief flash of Drew
and Sam kissing and Drew is wearing this sparkly
sweater that we’ve seen photos of her in or maybe
a photo that’s not in the movie
Um, so in the
novelization, which they base it on the script
that they explain what happens here, like she goes
back over to his house and she like is like, “Hi,
hi
” And they’re like, “And then they make out
and then she ends up like staying there
” And then
that’s when we pick up later where she’s like in
his bed
So again, easy to pull it out and not use
it, but I would love to see it one day
We know it
exists, right
So, the next few scenes are without
Drew because that deleted scene we just mentioned
of her at Nox’s would have like gone in to the
middle of all this, but it’s of the other angels
and Bosley like doing their thing, but then they
all start getting attacked
So, Natalie and Pete
are on a date at Soul Train
I love these scenes
so much
It’s so cute
Why Luke is so cute in this
scene
Like I love all his stuff with the bouncers
and he’s like trying to warm up to them and he’s
like cheering her on as she’s dancing
All right,
the robot
Yeah, I like how they make him like
a full foot shorter than them, too
These guys
have got to be standing on apple boxes
Like
there’s no way they’re that big
Um I also love
how this is what I’m talking about
Like Cameron
can go
She’s like so goofy and silly in this
scene
She like tells him, “I have to go number
one
” And then she’s like in the bathroom like,
“Oh my god, I’m having so much fun
” And then
she gets attacked and she’s like turns into such
a badass
Like I love her freaking like stiletto
boot in the guy’s freaking throat and she’s like,
“Who sent you
” It’s like just amazing
There’s
always this quick swap
She does it again
later in the movie, you know, when she’s talking
to Pete and she gets attacked from the guys that
are guarding Bosley and she like goes back
and forth
that she’s just flawless
You seem
like you’re a little preoccupied or whatever he
says
It’s so funny
All right,
so um Alex is now at Jason’s movie set
Um why
did we always love this so much
I don’t know
why
Cuz it’s just so silly
So yeah, they’re like
sitting at a table in like a courtyard and Oh,
so you think you think it’s Alex
He’s actually
filming the movie within a movie
like his date
gets killed
It’s just part of the movie
That’s
right
It’s a pretty I remember being tricked by
it the first time I saw it
And then he says this
line, “Baby, God, no
Damn you, Salazar
Damn you,
Salazar
God, damn you, Salazar has just like
become part of our vocabulary
It’s just so good
“
The director in this scene is totally like doing
a McGee and says that was the best scene in the
best movie ever
He’s even dressed like him
Like
he It’s probably his actual cowboy hat
Like they
they look the same
It’s so great
That is really
funny
Maybe it’s just him
It could be
It sounds
a little like him
It could be
Um and then
like we just see what’s going on with the other
characters
So we we found out through Natalie’s
attack that Vivien Wood is behind this attack
Um,
we didn’t even mention that Alex also gets
attacked
Like, she gets completely shot at
in Jason’s trailer, but you know, she survives,
of course, by hanging on the ceiling
And then
Viven goes to Bosley and drugs his drink and
the creepy thin man kills Corwin
So, all this
shit’s going down like boom, boom, boom, boom,
boom
And we’re not seeing Dylan because she’s
getting it on with Knox, I guess, right
So, then
we get the reveal of this villain
Um, so, um,
Dylan so cute tied up in her sheet as a dress like
toga
I think he says like toga cute or something
It’s so like it’s so perfect
I’m like there
is no way that’s a real sheet, right
And then
she see she like gives him a kiss and then sees
that there’s somebody there and it’s Vivian
She
spins around in the chair
Um, and then I love
this is so cute
Um, she sits down in front of
the Scrabble board that’s right in front of her
and spells out enemy because she kind of thinks
that they’re not in cahoots, but guess what
And what the funny part is that they didn’t think
it would read on screen, so they did this like
voice over of Drew going enemy
It is so goofy
And then he says, I know
Oh, and this like your
stomach just drops for poor Dylan cuz guess what
guys
Time to put on Got to Give It Up
And
Knox is the bad guy
And that transition,
that turn where he goes from this like dorky goof
lovable guy to this [  ] evil [  ] is so good
That’s like, this is why you need Sam Rockwell
for this part because he pulls it off
It’s like
a whole different person all of the sudden
Like
he literally like takes off his shirt and pulls
out a cigarette and you’re like, “Uh, what
Who
is this
” Like, “Oh my god, it’s so good
Props
to him
” Yeah, totally
And of course, Dylan
is really pissed cuz she’s been she’s been
um duped
Yeah, she’s been duped
and she’s,
you know, she’s a crimefighting angel that’s
supposed to kind of be, I don’t know, judge
of character
Anyways, yeah, it’s Oh, and she
carries that like pissed offness for the rest of
the movie
Like, you’re right
She’s really good
at having this like [  ] you energy after what he did to her I want to see her do a whole movie in the [  ] you energy, I guess
So, she gets shot out his window,
but she’s not shot
The window just crashes and
she like gets she’s dangling down with her toga,
then falls down completely naked onto a hill
I
like how you said the the audio of her falling and
it once you ma made a note of that, I noticed it’s
really funny
She’s like, it is funny
Um,
but she falls into the backyard of the ET house,
which is such a fun thing
It’s so fun
Like,
so unnecessary, but just to have it there as
this cute little Easter egg
I absolutely love
it
I also love that the house still had the
same owners as it did in 1982
And so,
so cool
And Drew on being at the house
again, she said, “It was like checking
into that world that I remember so well
And it it’s a little over the top,
but in the shot they have like an ET poster on
the wall and there’s Reese’s pieces and a bowl
It’s a little much, but it’s cute
Um, and we get our naked Dylan at the window
These little boys are playing video games
and she uh knocks on the window and says,
“A little help
“
She’s wearing nothing but a pool floaty
really
cute
And we get a little butterfly tattoo peek
We love a tattoo peek as you guys know
And also
I have to shout out one of the best Drew related
costumes I have ever seen was a guy dressed as
Dylan naked with the pool floaty and I will link
to that and put the photo in our gallery and I’ll
give them credit cuz so creative and amazing
It’s
so funny
And I I think niche costumes
like that are also like we are like the audience
if we get it, you know, like that’s that’s so
great
Um this part I don’t know why it always
made us laugh so much
Um the agency explodes
Bosley’s locked up
That’s not funny
But Drew
rides up on a bike looking so pissed
Like
you said, she keeps that piss thing going
clearly wearing the young boy’s clothes who just
gave her a little bit of help on his motorbike
I’m sure that little motorbike and her expression
is just so funny and the motorbike is like
Yeah, I love her postoff face there
Why do we
love Angry Drew so much
She’s just so cute
It’s
so cute
Um, Nick G said something along
the lines of like he wanted this explosion of
the agency to be so loud and huge that they
would never be allowed to film on Universal
again
Like they were gonna piss people off that
much
He’s got to have the biggest thing ever
Um, and we’re like interspersing with Bosley
locked up in this tower
And I I credit to Bill
Murray because him just kind of like doing
his thing, riffing, improvising
I’m sure
it’s all really hilarious stuff
It’s so funny
actually the way they get them connected
Yeah,
it’s really good
He’s got like his old moler
mic
Yeah, that’s right
That’s from the Corwin
party that he realizes is still in his mouth
The
angels just happen to be right around town’s an
agency at the time that he is trying to speak to
them and he calls to them
Hello angels, can you
hear me
They hear him
I always love uh just real
quick when they’re like Drew like lifts something
to like get to the speaker
She does a really good
like reacting like it’s hot like oh she does some
real good subtle stuff in this movie
She’s like
ah through that mic
Natalie hears the sound of
a bird like you said
There’s that thing earlier
She’s reading that book and she identifies it as
a pygmy nut hatch
Pygmy nuthatch
And there’s
there’s this whole article on Slate where they
uncover the make, model, and sound of the bird,
which I think is so funny to describe it like
that
Like it’s a car
It is so good
Like
the subtitle is the story behind cinema’s most
mysterious bird
Like the author is a total nerd
like us, loves these like tiny tidbits, and was
like, “Why did they use the name Pygmy Nuthatch
when the sound of the bird is wrong and the look
of the bird is wrong
” You guys, we will link to
this article
Our friend Tess was the one who told
us about it
I loved it so much and it like went
kind of viral because it is so like random
It’s
so silly and it’s so well researched
Like it was
totally up our alley
So that tells them
where where to go
She’s Natalie’s like, “They
only live in one place, Carell
” So then they’re
going there and on their way they they show the
um this famous green tunnel in LA that’s used so
much for filming
I couldn’t remember what it
was called, but it’s in so many things
Like
the first thing I think of there, it’s an Incubus
video that has it, but it’s in a bunch of stuff
It’s called The Second Street Tunnel
And
it is in so many movies and music videos
Like
I can’t even begin to list them all
Um like they
don’t even mention the Incubus one
And I know for
sure it’s in one of those
Um but yeah,
look it up
Second Street Tunnel
Just famous
filming location
They actually don’t
even mention Charlie’s Angels in here
Come on,
Wicked
What the hell
There’s just too many
I
also forgot that they get to Carmel by calling up
Chad
How could you forget
But I think
it’s so cute
Uh Drew and Tom singing together in
the boat
their little like offkey singing
This
is the first Josie Grossy moment
So like when the
angels look at her like, “Why are you singing
with this guy
” She does this like awkward
little shrug lip bite
I’m like, “Uh, Josie
Grossy just popped out
Um,
and then when the angels are about to dive into
the water, uh, they’re, you know, they’re getting
ready to go and do their thing
There’s business
that needs to happen
Here’s the dialogue
Starfish, are you going swimming
Where are
you going
Where are you going again, Starfish
Was it the Chad
No, the Chad was great
Also, why does he
call her that
Never never mentioned
We never get
an explanation, but it’s good
Do you remember
uh when Flower Beauty released that palette
that was like Charlie’s Angels inspired
of eyeshadows and one of them was called
Starfish and one of them was called the Chad
I
don’t think I noticed that
That’s Or if I did,
I totally blanked on it
Yeah,
that’d be you
And this timeline is
when tomgreen
com basically was like a blog
of their life and there were pictures of this
day on tom green
Tons of them
They’re
really cool
Like we would never have these
otherwise
I think he did like maybe it was
like daily photo or something
But like there
were a bunch from this filming
So we’ll share
a couple of those with you guys
That was so
cool
I love that we have to talk
about Sam Rockwell dancing because that’s a
thing that he insists on always doing because
he’s real cool at it
My note is hell yeah
All the angels change out of their scuba gear
basically into these completely other outfits
Where do they get them from
Out of the ether
Um and the outfit that Drew puts on um we have a
version in the Drew of
We have the stunt doubles
and it’s very uh recognizable
Like it’s really
fun to see it
They used it um when we were on
the Drew Barrymore show and we brought a bunch
of our memorabilia
They used that one
Like part
of me was like, “But Drew didn’t wear that one
Don’t put that one on the stage
” But but when
you see it, it looks so cool
And they put like
a red wig with it
It was awesome
It did look
really cool dressed up like that
It was Guys,
yes
If you don’t know about that exhibit that
we did, we have to We referenced these things
for some reason you don’t know
We’ll go back and
check a couple episodes back
Um, so Dylan drops
into Knox’s layer and it very like surprise [ __ ]
energy like he’s just like you could see he’s just
like what
But then he like, you know, snaps out
of it and he he tapes her up
And do you remember
when Sam was on the Drew Barrymore show and they
like filmed this little segment of her sitting in
a chair with the tape and the lip print
And like they didn’t give any context
So,
like if you didn’t know this movie, you’d be like,
“What the hell is this
” And why is Sam Rockwell
taping over Drew Barrymore’s mouth
Like, what is
happening here
But we loved it
Yeah, we did
Um,
so Knox is using those satellites and all this
technology that we kind of skipped right over
to determine where Charlie is because he thinks
that Charlie is the reason that his father died
in the war
We didn’t mention any of this, but
you guys know the movie
Um, and yeah, hopefully
you do
When poor Dylan’s just like taped up and
she hears like the conversation with Charlie and
she sees that Knox figured out where he is,
like she’s doing some good eye acting there,
like she just looks so sad and worried
And um the
way that Drew yells no after the tape is torn off
her mouth, it sounds exactly like the delivery
of no from Ever After when Utopia is thrown in
the fire
Like just devastated
Like like about to cry, right
Like perfect
Oh,
I love that
And then we get Dylan’s fight
with all the dudes to Blur’s song too,
which also is like perfect for a fight scene
It’s so good
But first, she has to give us a
little speech
Wait, wait, wait, wait
I I got
something to tell you
By the time this is over,
every one of you is going to be face down on the
floor, and I’m going to moonwalk out of here
You’re not listening to me
See, first you’re
going to help me out of my chair
And then I’m
going to leap frog over you before I break his
nose
And since my trusty lighter isn’t working,
I’m going to do all of this with my
hands tied behind my back
And that like flip move she
does
It’s again so satisfying to see her pull
it off because there’s footage of her just like
struggling to get it and then it’s like yes,
you did it, girl
And then she succeeds
at exactly what she said she was just going to
do
And that’s kicking your ass
And I had
to note that’s pretty much the lispiest lisp
we’ve ever heard from Drew
Right, Nick G
You couldn’t have had her say it again
Like
that’s the take you used
I feel like that was
like parodyied
I don’t know
Like I mean it’s
classic line
And also like I think I think we
like she doesn’t have like a a lisp all the time
Like it’s like sometimes it comes out
So like
when when uh when people who do um impressions
of her make it all lispy, it’s like no that’s
not right
Like it’s not always like that
Yeah,
you know how I feel about Drew impressions
Um, also this is the other Josie moment,
the little moonwalk
Moonwalk hard air quotes
I
literally saw my daughter do a moonwalk on stage
today right before we started doing this
And
she could really do it
It’s awesome
Drew is
uh doing more like a Roger Rabbit and it’s really
goofy
It’s not a moonwalk
I’m surprised I didn’t
put a note cuz I I think I put a note and
I deleted that said like not a moonwalk
She’s giving big time Josie energy
I’m
like, “What
What happened to Dylan
Okay, so we get more fights with like, you know,
uh, Viven and Natalie are going at it and the thin
man and Alex
” And then I never really thought
about this before, but like Knox just blows up the
fortress and I guess those two just get exploded
away
Never thought about that either
Do you remember MC G saying I think it was MC G
like one of the only times they ever used stunt
doubles for the angels is like that explosion
scene where they jump off the castle or fortress
or whatever
I don’t remember that
Yeah, that
was like a big part of the marketing like uh oh
that they do everything themselves and it’s so
funny like watching it you’re like uh absolutely
not
That is so not true
Like a lot of this is
stunt work
They do amazing stuff themselves,
but like they do there’s a lot that is not them
Maybe he’s like because and normally it would be
mostly stunt people in this case and I don’t know
he’s just exaggerating
They were really trying
to push that like the girls did so much training
which they did but right
So Knox is taking his
helicopter to get Charlie and of course the angels
find a way to jump on board as they always do
And
Dylan is still pissed and she climbs in there
and she just starts whailing on him
Oh my god,
wailing on him so hard
And the angels have to
like pull Dylan away
I love that
So that doesn’t
blow up in her face cuz the helicopter’s literally
about to blow up and she’s still like looking at
him like, “Oh, yeah
” I do love that scene
I love
her face there
Like looks so pissed
Oh, and that
he blows himself up, right
He blows himself up
Then they are literally washed up on the beach,
which is such a funny little thing
And they’re
like peeling themselves off the beach like really
wet
And they get to go up to Charlie’s little
beach house and they think they’re going to meet
him, but of course he’s not there
It’s just
the speaker box
I love the way they’re acting
though
It’s I know
It’s so cute
They’re
so excited
Do we look okay
Um it’s really
funny
They have like a prop of the same photo
of Knox’s dad and Charlie in the war
The same
photo that Knox has
I’m like, as if Charlie
would have this framed
Not only is it framed,
it’s framed alongside the one of the angels
I’m like, come on
But I love the one of the
angels
It is really cute
So
Charlie talks to them on the speaker and he says
uh he wants to know if the case went well and if
it’s all done
I think the client was blown away
I feel like we’re getting genuine laughter from
them over how cheesy that line is
Wink
wink wink
Speaking of winks
Oh, so we have
this finale on the beach
So, they’re just like
drinking out of coconuts on the beach
And Chris
Miller, who we mentioned earlier, our dear friend,
uh he uh has a little cameo, I guess we can
call it
He appears very briefly delivering
a drink to Dylan and she gives him this adorable
just brief wink
He looks so young
Like this is
a I think this is an onset photo that he shared
and he’s just a little baby
I love
that though
We get another tattoo
peak from Dylan
We can see her cross tattoo which
is crazy that like you go the whole movie never
seeing her legs up until this moment
And Dylan sees a man on the beach talking on a
cell phone at the same time they’re talking to
Charlie
Cell phone in the year 2000
It must
be Charlie
It’s really cute though
I really
love that moment when she’s like, “Oh my god, I
think that’s him
” And it’s okay
I don’t need
to like bother him
I’m just happy to be here and
we’re good
And how do you not just have a huge
smile on your face at the end of this movie
Like
they all run into the ocean, the music’s happy,
like everything’s great
What a what a fun
ride
It’s so cute
And then it’s not even over,
right
Because the end credits are packed with
all kinds of fun, too
I think this is a like
some of the best end credits of any movie ever
I know I’m biased, but like they’re so enjoyable
It’s so cute
So, this part of the movie is where
the angels are dressed as a rock band, and we have
this costume in the Drew that Drew is wearing in
this, and it was featured on Collector’s Call
So, if you don’t know what the heck we’re
talking about, go to our last episode
Go to our last episode
Go to our
website
I also noticed there’s a flash
of this at the beginning of the movie
I think in
the montage I don’t think I realized it before
As we talked about on collector’s
call, we like have to imagine it was Drew’s like
idea or input to have her wearing a Duran Duran
t-shirt because we know she loved them growing
up
It’s a fun little touch
In the
credits, the first part of the credits at least,
it’s Blink 182’s all the small things, which feels
that feels exactly that time
It’s perfect
It’s
perfect
And it’s funa like you’re just having a
good time
I think the angels are supposed to be
like playing along with that
I think so, too
And like I said,
this this part especially looks so much like
a Nick G music video
It’s just hilarious
Um,
totally
I love that you put a screenshot in
here of like the round pedestal
Um,
and there’s just all these cute little like just
behind the scenes snippets
There’s some bloopers
Um, and there’s just some like cuteness as they’re
on the set of the movie
It’s just it’s cut really
well
It’s so fun
Yeah, it’s so cute
A couple
little things in here
I mentioned the uh dance
jig earlier that the little man Drew does
Um,
and then there’s also a little like he he like
uh I can’t do it
Yeah, her piggies
makes piggy sounds
Although I do have
to say it’s always bothered me that they’re like
Cameron Diaz and they like show these clips and
then she gets like a really fun blooper where
she falls and like Alex like you know Lucy Lou
and she does the blooper where the arrow hits her
back in the face and then Drews isn’t real because
it’s from that extended version of her and Nox’s
date where she intentionally pl is planned for her
to roll off the counter and they use that and I’m
always like nah come on but they do at least show
like the taking off the mask card and some other
silly moments with her
So, that’s fine
And that’s the movie
Let’s go make out with
our girlfriends
Let’s do it
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[Music] Okay
So, let’s talk about kind of the
buildup to the release of the movie because there
was a lot of anticipation with this one as we
mentioned
Um, the very first thing that sort
of happened was All Three Angels and Bill Murray
debuted the teaser trailer at Show West in March
2000
So, there’s cute, you know, they they’re
walking on stage and it was like kind of their big
debut
Do you remember this teaser trailer
It’s
funny
I I watched it just now to remind myself
And I I had remembered the beginning part,
which I guess I’ll describe this part
So it has
like a it almost looks like a James Bond style guy
in a suit walking through like a hallway
So he’s
like completely in silhouette and then within like
10 seconds there’s this voice over that’s like I
forget what it’s saying
Like dramatic voiceover
It’s like when the world’s biggest people need
help, they call one man because he’s the only
one that can reach them or something like that,
right
Well, the guy like splits into three women
basically
Like his silhouette turns into three
angels, the angel silhouettes doing their martial
arts moves
It’s actually really exciting
It is
exciting
I didn’t remember that the first teaser
trailers where they used those like I don’t even
know how to describe them
those like silly like
car almost like introductions of the angels but
they’re I don’t know how do you describe that
I didn’t remember that part
It’s kind of like
just introducing them and they each have their
little like look to camera moment with like this
again like foil behind that
You know what I’m
talking about
It is like foily
And
it does the whole and Bill Murray is Bosley
And
I remember watching this must have been through
like shitty internet
I remember watching it in
the library at college like when I worked there
The same like room where I remember like seeing
the first picture of you
It’s kind of funny
Oh,
that’s funny
They all kind of merge together
So, I remembered some of it but not all of it
So,
it was kind of fun to like revisit it
We’ll definitely link to this on the episode
page for you guys if you don’t remember it
And then the promotion continued
Um,
so just a few weeks after Show West, they
presented at the Oscars
So, the angels came
up and presented together
I remember that
I
remember like it being exciting and we talked
about Drew’s dress that she wore to this event
earlier which was made by the costume designer,
right
Joseph Alissi
So, more
promotion happened
Um, then they had many
premieres
So, red carpet premieres occurred in
New York, Los Angeles, Tokyo, Paris, London, and
Berlin
And also in promotion
for the movie, they did tons, dozens of magazine
photo shoots and TV appearances to promote the
film
Um, if you want to hear more about those,
like kind of like dayby day, you can check out our
year and review episode for the year 2000, which
was episode 19
So you can hear us talk about all
the outfits they wore to those events
And yeah,
it’s interesting
Like I threw a couple of their
shared covers and photo shoots in the episode
gallery for this one obviously
Um but yeah,
there’s even a lot of like solo things that Drew
did and it’s just it was a great time guys let
me tell you
Were there premiier magazine issues
like back toback or like two months apart
So the Angels appeared together on September and
again that was sort of like the debut like that
was like the first time
Um, and then two months
later for November, it was Solo Drew cover
Like
crazy
That was so cool
We were really getting
spoiled back then
Yeah, we were
But we’ve we’ve
you probably have heard us talk about like how
overwhelming the amount of paper there is from the
year 2000 and we love it, but it’s also like we’ve
got a hundred like different versions of like the
poster and like the same things over and over
Um,
in addition to all the like paper magazine
stuff, there was also a ton of merchandise sold
for this movie
The most like memorable being the
Jack’s Pacific dolls that were like Barbieesque,
except they were a little more like action figury,
I guess, poseable
Um, I totally remember I think
it was Entertainment Tonight or Access Hollywood
like doing a segment on this and showing like
the technology that they use to supposedly scan
the angel’s faces
like they didn’t show them,
but they showed somebody else doing it
Um, and
it’s interesting like they look like them from
certain angles and then other angles it’s like
woo what happened there
Like I
feel like the Drew character, the Dylan doll sort
of looks like Drew headon, especially in profile
I think the profile is pretty good
And then she’s
got the butterfly tattoo, which is such a cute I
always really appreciated that they bothered
with that, you know
And they
also did two different versions of these dolls
So
like there were two different outfits
Signature
looks
That’s what they called them
I think we
both have both of them
Yeah, of course
Yeah,
of course we do
But if you want to check out all
of our Charlie’s Angels memorabilia in the Drew,
you would just go to the Drew
comca for Charlie’s
Angels and you’ll see what we’re talking about
It’s like so many ads, so many pieces of random
memorabilia, like really fun random little things
they did
There’s like a version of Dylan’s car
and just all kinds of stuff like that
And then
of course there was also a soundtrack that was
very popular
Um the hugest hit being Destiny’s
Child song Independent Women, which starts out
with the classic [Music] and destiny angels
I love with my girl Drew
It’s like, yeah, me
too
And that song plays in the drive-thru scene
of the movie and then also when the like final
end end credits are rolling
So, super fun
Um,
the movie debuted in the US on November 3rd, 2000
We mentioned this at the top of the episode
Big
big anniversary
big or 20 25 years ago, the
year 2000
Um, the movie opened at number one,
which is really cool for Drew
Like, we know
that she was nervous about this
And
it grossed more than 264 million worldwide, which
I think every time we talk about these, I’m like,
I have no like gauge
Like, I don’t pay enough
attention to know, but that’s a lot of money
I don’t either
Yeah, it’s a lot of money
And I
remember I did look like so then it was number one
for several weeks and then so I was like it had
to be like one of the top grossing films of the
year but that was a big year for movies
So it was
like number 18 for the whole year which is crazy
because it did really well
It was just people
were going to the movies that year
Um and
the DVD is packed with special features and Easter
eggs like tons of stuff
It’s been so long since
I’ve like gone through
Um, thankfully a lot of
it is on YouTube
You found out at this point
Um,
there’s a lot of behind the scenes footage from
this movie
Like there’s back when DVDs like this
is like sort of I think almost the peak of when it
was like let’s just put as much on there as we can
like like why not
Like there was so much cool
stuff that we were able to see
And of course,
as we mentioned, MC G does a director’s
commentary along with the um cinematographer
Russell Carpenter
And it’s like no one does that
stuff anymore
It feels like I don’t get it
Yeah,
that’s true
I I remember like when I wanted to
buy something on DVD, I would like if it didn’t
have special features, I’m like lame
And
now it’s just like that’s the standard
I think
I haven’t bought a DVD in a while, but Yeah
I
haven’t bought a DVD or Blu-ray in a while
Or
if I have, I like probably haven’t played it
I bought it like for the collection, right
You
know what’s so funny is that before I even had
an actual DVD player, my sister’s boyfriend had
a PlayStation which played DVDs
So, the very
first DVDs I bought simultaneously together,
I think from Amazon, were this and Fight Club
And it was like so exciting to me to get to like
watch those
And I mean, this DVD, if you guys
don’t have it, it’s just such it’s so fun
And
there’s so much like there’s literal Easter eggs
where you have to like move the cursor to like
a certain place to find it
Oh, it’s so
fun
That’s cool
I feel like I need to like put
it in at some point soon and and like play with it
again
Or just DVDs in general
Like I don’t
remember the last time I like put a physical media
like into it
I do it pretty much every time we’re
doing a movie episode
That’s kind of the only
way
Usually cuz you’re playing your actual Yeah,
usually
I guess doppelganger
I was like, “Cool,
it’s free on Amazon Prime
I’ll just watch it at
work
That one’s not an event the
way watching Charlie’s Angels is
So, of course, with the great success,
a sequel was like inevitable
So, the second
film went into production in 2002, ended up being
titled Charlie’s Angel’s Full Throttle, and it was
released in summer 2003
But we are going to save
all our talk about that one for its own episode
Like there’s no I don’t know how anybody could
combine these two movies
It’s just way too much
Unless you went into a lot less detail than we
do
Well, I have a feeling this is probably
the most exhaustive like podcast that’s ever been
done about this movie
Um, Flower Films
also produced a short-lived TV series that was out
in 2011
I never watched it
I feel kind of bad
There are actually a few
things that they’ve that they’ve released that I
haven’t watched
So, Flower Films has done like
they did like a couple horror things that I did
I haven’t They did a couple horror a couple like
reality things that like just it it was just hard
to keep up with for a while
Then there was a
reboot movie in 2019 that was written and directed
by Elizabeth Banks
I also did not see that
But you noted here that the racetrack and the
Swiss Miss costumes have small appearances which
so interesting
So they like use those
I think
they’re like showing the angel’s vault
I don’t
know what it is
The archive and they briefly
pan by those too, which was a cute little nod
I think that’s a nice way to do it
That’s cool
It’s probably fun
I mean, this is such a fun like
the core of Charlie’s Angels is so fun
And
then here we are like rumors of a third movie with
our three angels have continued to swirl and there
have been moments where it’s really seemed like in
the past year that something was going to happen
Even Drew herself almost said without saying to
us, right
But nothing no news
It’s like what’s
no official news
No official news
But every
time like Drew has publicly talked about it or
like either of like Lucil or Cameron Diaz, I feel
like they’re just like, “Yeah, I would do it
“
Like absolutely
I don’t think either of them has
had any hesitation in the public eye about it
So,
you know, we have hopes and I feel like it will
happen
Maybe it’s happening now
And that’s where we’re at
Did
we do it
Did we actually talk about Charlie’s
Angels
I can’t believe it
saying we’ve been avoiding like the plague,
but avoiding, but I’m like so excited to have done
it
Like every step of this I was like, “Woo
I
love Charlie’s Angels
” I for I forget I will say
this kind of what you were alluding to earlier,
like it was a little overwhelming and it still can
be like when we’re going through our collections,
it’s like uh all the Charlie’s Angel stuff
Like
you almost want to flip past it in a weird way
But watching this movie is always so much fun
Like I am always beaming
I am always like so
pumped and so excited and laughing and happy
Like everything Drew wanted people to feel
I
feel Yeah, me too
Totally get the like flipping
past the like all the paper stuff that came out,
especially when it was like the same pictures
printed over and over and over again
But yeah,
there is like something about like the movie has
this sort of like maybe somewhat overstimulating
thing about it and so does like all of the
promotional stuff that happened but in a way
that we’re like we accepted it and we love it
Um
we love our stuff from 2000 even though it takes
up entire binders, right
I accidentally
picked up the following year’s binders and I was
like why is this so light
Like there’s no way my
2000 binder is this light and then I was like oh
wrong one
That makes a lot more sense
Um, if
you guys do want to hear more Charlie’s Angels
talk from us, that is available to you
Um, back
in July 2024, we guested it on our friends movies
that made us gay when they covered it on
their episode 243
That was a blast
And
I’m sure there’s like aspects we talked about
there that we didn’t even get to hear probably,
which is really cool
So, if you
just can’t get enough of us or the angels,
but thanks you guys for being here with us
We hope this was as fun for you as it was for
us
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How Do You Drew Episode 116 – Our Appearance on Collector’s Call

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How do you drew
How do you drew
[Applause]
[Music]
Hello and welcome to How Do You Drew
This is a Drew Barrymore podcast brought
to you by the drewseum.com
and sponsored by our friends at positive
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I’m Anne
And I’m Ashley
I got some morning
scratchy voice today
Sorry about that
We don’t normally record this early
No, we don’t
But you know
what
We had to fit it in, guys, because
we’ve got things to do
We’re trying to
be consistent
You traveled for what
17 hours
yesterday
Very cool
A very cool, chill travel
just within the states
You know, guys,
you know how
But you’re settled
You’re back in
Maine
I live in a rural place, so it
takes a while
I’m
ready for us to get into uh the top of
this episode
Um what do we got
We got
a lot of random stuff to talk about
Yeah, some fun and random
So, um
we definitely want to put this out here
and we could have put this at the end of
the episode, but um it’s this kind of
dovetales along with today’s topic,
which was our appearance on the TV show
Collector’s Call
Um our episode’s
appraiser Scott um he has a podcast of
his own and it’s called the Patrick
Scott Patterson Project and he had us on
as guest a couple months ago, right
That’s when we did it
It was a little while ago
He’s
he’s good about uh recording ahead of
time
something that we are not I’m not
on board with on our end over here
He’s like, Okay, this is scheduled to
come out on this date, you know, like
five months from now
We’re like,
Damn, must be nice to be so on top of
it
We’re releasing this episode in two
days

You know, you know how it goes
That’s
just the way we got to do it
Um,
there’s a video version available of
this podcast
I think he releases his
podcast like all over the place, but on
YouTube there’s a video version so you
can
look at our dorky faces as we talk about
our love for Drew
Yeah, it’s actually
really cute
I couldn’t like bring
myself to watch the entire thing, but I
watched portions and I was like, Oh,
yeah
Like cuz I’d forgotten
We get
into like um early internet nostalgia
Like I really liked that
conversation and it’s really fun to just
go back and listen to that
So check it
out, guys
We’ll link to it on the show
episode page
And thank you, Scott, for having us on
Yeah, for sure
And we we have Scott to thank for a lot
of stuff here
Yeah, we’ll be talking about him again
at least at least partially
Um, all
right
So, let’s get in a couple other
fun things
Um, uh, we have to note the
Jesse Bafukco interview from the Drew
Barrymore Show
So, if you don’t know
who that is, um, Joey Bafukco,
um, famously is the lover of Amy
Fischer
I don’t really need to go into
anymore if you don’t I don’t know
Do we
need to say anymore
If you don’t know,
uh, Drew was in a a movie called the Amy
Fischer story that was based on a true
story
They get into that and how the
public sort of life surrounding this
whole drama affected Jesse Bodafuko
It
was great
It was great
It was a It was
like for me highlight of the season so
far as far as like really meaningful
interviews
She was so awesome
Like
total badass
But it was so funny cuz I watched it
first and I texted you and I was like I
don’t know
She like really sees Drew
like she understands Drew’s history and
trauma like in a way that we do, but I
don’t feel like most people do
So, I
texted you that
Which agree
Would you agree you
you got that feeling
Yeah, totally
So, I had like reposted on our Jerusalem
Instagram like a link or just like,
Guys, check this episode out
It was
really good
And I tagged Jesse
She
responded
and she said, Thank you so much
I
actually used your website in my
preparation for the interview to learn
more about Drew
So I was like, no wonder she sees Drew
the way we do
She freaking used our
research
That’s so great
But it also allowed
like those parallels to be made
I mean
like to the fact that we had anything to
do with the preparation
That’s so cool
Dude, it made me feel really proud and
really like we’re doing something useful
and you know it was cool
made me feel
great
Yeah, it was that’s just a fun little
bonus, you know, the fact that like Drew
is doing this and gets to host a show
and talk to people who were impacted by
her career in such a unique
way
Not that I don’t know, you know,
it’s it’s fascinating
Definitely
both of them talking about like weird
fame and infamy
sort of impacting their lives
Anyway,
loved it
Okay, so also um I think we
kind of been tracking this a little bit
Maybe you told me about it a while ago
Um there’s a new biography about
Drew’s aunt, Diana Barrymore
She’s
halfsisters with Drew’s dad and um it’s
written by Jennifer Anne Redmond and
she’s been yeah sort of promoting it as
it’s like gotten closer and closer to
coming out
Um I think it was the Dana
Plato fan Instagram
Um the guy who runs
that is really cool and he messages us a
lot and I think he was the one that gave
me the heads up on this
But um
yeah, I read like just a little bit in
the Amazon sample
You know how you can
like search a term and it’ll sometimes
show you some
There was some very
interesting and upsetting stuff about
Drew’s dad in there
I’m very curious to
see more about this book, read it, but I
did listen to the author on a podcast
called Forgotten Hollywood
And man,
there were definitely some really like
strong parallels that I was able to draw
from Diana’s life and Drew’s life
Like
I think it would be a very like rich
thing for us to read and like just kind
of learn more about that whole Barrymore
curse as they they even called it
apparently back in the day
Even the
Barry Moores themselves
called Called it the Barrymore curse
because it was like happening to so many
of them
I mean I guess if you guys don’t know
Diana had written her own book
Which I’ I don’t think I’ve read
called Too Much Too soon
Is it too much
too soon
So this book is called Too
Fast Too Short
I don’t know if we
already said that
Um, but yeah, we have
not read Diana Barry Moore’s other book,
so maybe we should do like a special
like Patreon episode about Diana or
something, you know, like
Oh, that would be cool
I don’t know
We’ll think more about
this
But anyway, Jennifer and Redmond,
very cool that like writing a book about
like one of the lesserk known Barry
Moores who also had this experience
Yeah, that was kind of her point like
let’s let’s not forget about her
Um, all right
Uh, should we talk
about some things that Drew has
proclaimed her love for recently
I love love
All right
Just a couple this week
I gota huge ass paragraph
All right
Drew loves game shows
Apollo Santo
Of course, it’s apollo santo
Of course, a singular
Also a good
spanking
We need a like
Val’s cookbooks
Valerie Bartelli
Obviously,
Drew loves collecting art
The only reason she married Will
Willman
I’m just kidding
She loves small lamps
But don’t worry, she doesn’t
discriminate
She also loves lamps of
all sizes
Of course
She loves a cafe curtain, which I didn’t
know what that was until I looked it up
Do you know what
It’s just like a
little tiny curtain at the top of a
at the bottom
Oh,
yeah
Kind of weird
Um, she loves when people weigh in
She loves wine and dishes
Her bestie Rossy Ross Matthews
She loves a pro tip
Enchiladas
Well, yeah
She loves when things she
makes work, which is funny because I
think it was like a beautiful appliance
And I do always get nervous when they
use them on the show
I’m always like,
Oh, what if like the blender didn’t
work or something
What would they have to do
After she’s like, I made this
She loves chili kilos
A weekend project
This is one we’re doing right now
She loves a gorilla glue
Uh oh, I probably should have put the
pronunciation of this one on there
Um,
aguanchali I believe is what how you
pronounce it
And it’s an Italian cured
meat
Keep it on the meat train
She also
loves a Swedish meatball
A juicy ball
And finally, Drew loves dishes that
balance sweet and savory really well
Which I feel like she says a lot, but
this was a new a new format of that same
idea
I love I love a long list of
things Drew loves cuz she’s just always
saying how much she loves things
And
it’s funny because I had texted you
I
was like, Oh, I feel like we’re making
her self-conscious because whatever
episode I was watching, she kept saying
I like instead of I love
So, I’d be
like, Oh, no
Can’t include it
But
there were plenty
Alas,
alas, there was no shortage at the end
of this
Um, speaking of our friend
Scott at the beginning, our mailbag has
got some Scott in it
So, let’s go in
our mailbag
You’ve got mail
I think this was just like a, you
know, messaging back and forth on
Instagram message, but I like plucked
this one little part out of something
that he said because I just thought it
was very kind and it meant a lot to me
and it will to you, too
So, Scott said, I became
interested in what you do because it’s
true
I stuck around listening to your
podcast because the world needs more
people like you, especially now
I’m
going to support anyone who speaks about
things they have a positive passion
about
That’s us
It’s positive passion
That should be our subtitle
Positive passion about Drew Barrymore
So, let’s get into what’s new with Drew
Here we go with the news everybody
Okay, this was interesting
Flower Beauty
Flower eyewear alive
I don’t know
I still don’t understand
Aliveish on life support
So, they did these like promos on Drew’s
Instagram stories where it was like five
or six different photos of her
They
were all cute new pictures from Ramona
Rosales’s photo shoot
We’d seen like
two of them
They’d been used in US
Weekly, but there was new ones, which
was really exciting
Um, and each one like listed a place
that you could supposedly buy these new
styles of eyewear
Some of them actually do have them on
their websites
Um, IMART Express and
Asda, they did, but most of them did
not, at least on the websites, including
Walmart
Like,
we could go on and on about Walmart’s
website and how you can’t find anything
on there
Um, and then that there was also like
BJ’s and Chemist Warehouse and FGX
I
don’t know what most of these places
are, but
yeah, you couldn’t find them on their
website, so maybe they have them in
person
I don’t know
It’s so weird
All I can think is because I I know you
know I like they have them at the
Walmart in middle of nowhere Maine
Like
I go into their their eyewear section
and there’s a section of flower eyewear
Like I’m like what
But I I just wonder
like maybe their like the online system
for any of these places it’s like too
hard
But it sucks because of course we
want to like see all the details about
it
See if there’s any I don’t know more
pictures whatever
Um but yeah
So,
Flower Eyewear is out there apparently
Still thriving
I don’t know
Thriving might be a little
Yeah, who knows if if you go to any of
these venues and you see them like let
us know what the display is like
I
don’t know
We have no idea
It makes me want to like go back to the
Walmart’s area and see if like anything
has changed over there
Like I don’t
know
You got to take one for the team and go
do that
Yeah, I guess so
I I mean Walmart’s
kind of Well, you know, it’s like one of
the only places to do to go out here
So, Drew wrote a forward for
the new book that designer Muel Welch
wrote called The Forever Home
Um, and
just like a side note, Drew has done
like so many random four words for
books
Like, I guess it’s a way for her
to use her like name for like friends
and stuff, right
Like,
so it’s really sweet
Um,
yeah
I mean,
some notable ones of course are like
Ross’s Tio and Tio where she appears as
like a little animated
that
Yeah, me too
Um, and the misfits we’ve
talked about by John Rosen
She did the
forward four
Anyway, there are a few
more
And um, I just had to note that
like the first line says, I love this
man
I’m like, Okay, well, one more
love for Drew Loves
I love everything in the world
Lastly, this is the biggest
and the most exciting news
The Drew
Barrymore Show just won three daytime
Emmys like two days ago
Most
importantly, Drew’s first ever because
she won for outstanding daytime talk
series host
Yay, Drew
I think Kelly Clarkson always wins
So,
unfortunately, Drew wasn’t even there
I
like it’s almost like,
well, we’re not going to win
So, like,
you know, nobody bothered going except
for Ross
But, um, yeah, also so cool to the hair
styling and makeup team
They won for
outstanding hair styling and makeup
Um,
we know some of those people and they’re
also cool
And then also outstanding
directing team, which I was like, I
wonder who that who gets that one
Like,
I wonder if we even know who those
people are cuz we know a lot of
producers
But
I was kind of wondering the same thing
like if the daytime Emmys like list
those people’s names
Drew Barrymore Show, Outstanding Hair
and Makeup
Yeah, list their names
Oh, had makeup artist Lauren Gulino,
makeup artist Joanna Pisani
Joanna, she
did ours
And hair stylist Daniel Howell
Oh, and
then hairstylist Tony Coburn
She did our hair, too
Oh, cool
And then, hold on
Let me go
to the directing team
Good find
Oh, I don’t even know these names
That’s
That’s what I thought
The director Scott Titlebomb,
associate director Sarah Tanner, and
stage managers VA Carey and Liz Keane
I
think we met Liz
Oh, yeah, we did
Let’s um is the one
that walked us down to the set and all
that
One of our
friends
I just wish Drew had been there
It’s
such a bummer
Like I would have love to
see her accept her Emmy
I mean, yeah, like you’re
right
She must have just not
Well, I also just have this weird
We haven’t talked about this on the pod,
but we’ve talked about it privately
She
is not in a lot of segments of the
Drewberry Mar show right now
They’re
doing a lot without her
We’ve we’ve
made jokes about it privately for sure
Like it’s the Drew
Barrymore show
Drew Barry Moore, not Drew Barrymore
less
But yeah, there’s segments without her
There’s doing a lot of like the last
like six minutes of the show are like,
here’s an old clip from an old season
It’s just very mysterious to me
And I
feel like she’s busy with something
else
Like I can’t shake this feeling
I mean, yeah, we keep we keep
saying that
I guess time will tell
Time will tell
Yeah, we don’t have any
intel yet, guys
Um anyway, congratulations to
the Drew Barrymore Show on your three
daytime Emmys
Like that’s so cool
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Thank you
So, I guess we’re here to talk
about this weekly topic of collector’s
call
We
need to do more of what this is is
believing in people, supporting each
other, celebrating, collecting
I think we only like really, really,
really announced it last episode, but we
did this a long time ago
We’re going to
tell you the whole background of it
And
it finally came out last week in between
our two podcast episodes
So, this is
our time to talk about it
If you guys
haven’t seen it, we are working on that
Yeah, we’re working on it
We have some
way that we’re hoping to get it out
there for you
Um, it’s on M TV, which
is just like an overtheair channel
I
don’t even know if they air reruns of
the show
I hope they do so more people
can see it
Um, anyway, I got a chance
to watch it live at my parents house in
Fontana
I’m glad I was there
Crazy
timing
So, I mean, so good
I
just happened to be in California last
week
Um, but I do want to say like a
big big caveat about the Collector’s
Call episode if you watched it
There’s
so much of our collection that they
literally could not represent on TV and
that had a lot to do with like clearance
rates
So items couldn’t be included on
the Drew Barrymore show, which we’ll
explain the link in a second
Um,
including like magazines and photos
Um,
so they didn’t end up on collector’s
call either
So it’s kind of a strange
like even when they do like the the
valuation like
Yeah
Scott mentions it in the episode,
but anyway, there’s a lot that visually
is not represented
a lot
So, if you’re here and you watch
that and you’re coming straight to our
episode somehow, like make sure you like
spend some time on the museum to
understand like the breadth of the
collection
Especially, I would imagine if
you’re like a regular watcher of that
show, which I would be if I had access
to if it was streaming, which it’s not
Um, they usually are in the person’s
home and like, you know, maybe there’s
like a room that’s dedicated to their
collection or rooms plural
And this was
filmed in New York where neither of us
live and anything that was there we had
to get there
So it was a unique
situation for them for us and we want to
tell you all of the back behind the
scenes info about it
Um, also just another note,
collector’s call picked some items that
they wanted to feature out of
We like
we chose like 10 to 15 items that we
considered like, you know, the coolest
like top items in the collection
Um,
and some other items that weren’t chosen
were a test Polaroid that was taken for
People magazine and is it 82
Um, Mad Love production materials
um
some really special reference pictures
for Scream special effects
Um a shirt
from 51st States, a prop from 51st
States that we did film a section about
and then they didn’t use and a shirt
from Whip It
Anyway, there’s lots of
other cool stuff, but it’s like very
much so like pairing it down like it
just made me think like the behind the
scenes of like all of these episodes
I don’t know
That’s a hard job to like these are the
things we’re going to feature like
right
and only these
and like they Yeah
How do they
select which are the coolest
I mean, I
we’re really happy with how it ended up,
but it was just it was a very strange
process
So, should we get into the
background
Go back in time a little
bit
Let’s do it
So,
okay
They first reached out to us just
through an email way back in September
24
So, I can’t believe like a year ago
this all began
That’s wild
Um, so as we mentioned, our
fellow Drewie Patrick Scott Patterson or
known as Scott, he had worked with them
previously doing like a video game
collection episode and he pitched the
idea of an episode about a Drew
collector collection and obviously that
would be us
Yes,
that’s kind of our thing
Which was so cool
Um, so pretty
soon after that proposal, we had a fun
Zoom call with I think they’re both
producers, so it’s Diana and Mike
I
can’t remember what Diana’s actual title
is
Um, but the the call went really well
We were like feeling the vibe
It was
like clearly it felt like we at that
point we were talking about doing it at
my parents house in Fontana and like
staging the collection in a room because
both Ashley and I do not really have our
collections on on display sadly in ways
that we used to at certain points in our
lives
Um so it would have had been
totally staged anyway and then it ended
up being totally staged a different way
I know that’s kind of funny but it was
still going to be the same
It was still
going to be February which is kind of
funny
like just ended up that’s sort of
what they had room on their schedule
So after that call, we didn’t hear
anything for a couple months
Um but we had started working with the
Drew Barry Moore show on a 50th birthday
episode appearance at the same time
So
like literally while we were waiting for
Collector’s Call to like get back to us,
we had started this conversation with
the Drew Barrymore Show, which is like
we’re like wild
Why are we so important all of a sudden
We’re having all these television
producer Zooms
It was weird and wild
It was
weird and wild
And if you want to know like the
background and the history of how we
appeared on that show, our episode 99
kind of talks about all that
So, we’re
going to not get into the details of
that this time around
Um, so then we received an
email in November of last year saying,
We’ve been working with the Drew
Barmore people regarding the shoot
you’re doing with them
we will also be
there that day to tape a special moment
for collector’s call with all of you
And I remember I remember reading that
email and being like what
Like they’re
talking to each other about us
Like we
had no idea because we didn’t tell
Collector’s Call that we were talking to
them
I don’t know even how they found
out
Like I honestly have no idea
I I
would imagine they had reached out like,
Oh, is Drew able to do like a video or
something for this episode
And they
went, Oh, those girls are already
scheduled to be here

So weird, guys
It was very weird
I
feel like you were very like, Yeah,
that makes sense
And I was just like
flipping out
Like I just couldn’t
believe it
And you were very like,
Okay, yeah, I get it
But I also feel
like the, you know, just casually, we’re
going to be there for a special moment
for clerk to call with all of you
We’re
like, what does that mean
The special moment term definitely
got used a lot and we kept going, what
does that look like
Like we just can’t
even we have no idea
And again, we’ll talk into like
we’ll talk about what that means, but
Yeah
So, we got this like kind of
casual like we’re working with the
people regarding the shoot we’re doing
with them
Like
we’ll be there too
So then we did like another
important Hollywood business meeting
where we went on we went on a Zoom with
producers of both shows at the same
time
Ann and I were just kind of like
sitting quietly listening to them make
all these arrangements about us
It was
a trip
Somebody even commented on it
like thanks you guys for like we’re
sorry we’re just like talking about you
while you sit there
It was it was really cool to kind of see
really cool
I actually think I have a
screenshot of it
Uh but yeah, we got to
just listen to them work out the
logistics of how they were going to do
these two shows, both shows backtoback
in the studio um in the CBS studio
So
it was literally like, Okay,
Collector’s Call crew will be there
The
girls are going to be miked for both
shows
We’re going to film the Drew
Barrymore show segment
We’re going to
wrap that
Collector’s Call, you need to
sweep in with your cameras and your
crew
film this special moment and then our
collection would be moved by like the
teamsters who work on the show to the
rehearsal space to film the bulk of our
collector’s call episode
So it was just
like that’s how it’s going to go
We’re
like holy
And like I mean this did actually happen
and it was wild
The Yeah
the um logistics
It was so
whirlwind
interesting
Whirlwind interesting
It
was all very interesting
Like literally
as we were like talking to Drew and
filming this thing on Drew’s set, they
were like removing
the collection behind us
Like I think
one of the pictures you literally can
like see someone’s back like grabbing
something as like taking a picture with
Drew
Like you know it was like it’s
daytime TV
They’re just like okay next
you know,
right
They had a whole another episode
to film of the Drew show um right after
a break
So, yeah, it was very
all the decisions they have to make like
every second like I can’t I can’t even
imagine being that in that environment
Um and then we did continue filming more
collector’s call the following day in a
different space
So, there was like even
more logistics that happened here
I remember like getting concerned about
a lot of these logistics and having to
tell myself this is not your problem
You are not in charge
like just go
along
They know what they’re doing cuz
I just like get so nervous about those
things
But like they had it down,
they got it, it happened
It all worked
We somehow recorded two shows and it was
fine
So, let’s just get into like
what we can kind of remember about the
days
Um, like Ashley said, if you
haven’t listened to the episode about
the Jerberrymore show whirlwind, that’ll
give you even more background because we
also recorded that like right after it
happened
So, if you’re interested in
more about like how we were feeling
logistics, there’s a lot more there
Um,
all right, day one
So, as we said, as soon as the Drew
Barrymore Show wrapped their show and
the audience sang happy birthday to
Drew, we were there for that
We’re just like hovering awkwardly
behind her cuz we weren’t we couldn’t
move
Yeah, we had to stay there
And it’s kind of cool that on the social
media like we are behind her singing her
happy birthday for her 50th
It was it
was really crazy and cool, you guys
So, as we said before, Collector’s Call
like rolled right up on stage and
started filming our special moment
Like, it was within like minutes
Like, it was so fast
And I love that you noted that
Douglas Drew’s dog was at our feet
like
it was just very like
I don’t know surreal in so many ways but
that was like yet another detail
And uh the host of collector’s
call is Lisa Welch which you might know
her best as Blair from Facts of Life
So
they there is like clips on the episode
which I’m glad to see these cuz like
that’s all just like a blackout for me
I don’t really remember a lot,
but they like announce Lisa and so she
like runs out and the audience is all
still sitting there and they like
clapped for her and stuff and Drew and
Lisa were really excited to see each
other because they’ve become friendly
over the years with Lisa’s appearances
on the show
And this was the quote unquote special
moment
So this is kind of like Lisa
saying, And Ashley, here you are with
Drew
And you know, of course, Drew
kind of just like Drew didn’t even know
she was doing this
This was literally
sprung on her because her whole birthday
episode is a surprise
So, she couldn’t
know we were there
And they’re like,
You’re doing this now
And like
being such the freaking pro that she is
She just like rolled right into it with
zero preparation and had no problem
Like, she just like blows me away that
she can do that
It’s amazing
I mean, I know they’re
like Lisa and Drew both had that like
incredible ability to just like, All
right, here’s what’s happening
I mean, pros
Like literal pros
Total pros
Ashley and Drew her very self
I’ve
known them for years and I always brag
about how the only picture I have of my
mother and father together is because
they were kind enough to give me that
photo and it’s hung on my wall in my
home ever since
My personal life has
been so benefited by you guys caring
enough to find things that I’ve never
had access to
Beyond any movie
paraphernalia, I have evidence of my mom
and dad together thanks to you guys
I
met them so many years ago and I was so
in awe of your intentionality and your
energy because there’s nothing indulgent
about this
There’s something just
really positive at play
and I knew that it was on a human level
and that’s all I care about
Yeah, we just love to celebrate your
life and it’s so rich and there’s so
many lessons to be learned from you and
we’re just out here to support it
Thank
you guys so much
Happy birthday
Okay,
I’m not crying
You’re crying
guys
Guys, listening to that again,
like immediately we both started tearing
up because she’s talking about like us
It’s like I still I will never
understand how this how we’ve gotten
here
This is crazy
Pretty pretty amazing, guys
And I think
that we have sensed some of this stuff
like that she gets
what we’re there for
like she knows we
love her, but there’s like nothing uh
sinister about it
We’re not creeps
I mean, like we’re creeps in our
own way, but like you know, anyway, I
think the the way she described
her impression of us and how that has
like we have personally benefited her
life like what
Anyway, that was that
special moment was really special
We could have possibly have known that
Also, like after that, we’re like what
did she say
It was so great
to see it on TV cuz I was like, I didn’t
remember any of this that she said
Like
this is so cool
And like while we’re
talking to her, there’s this like look
on her face that’s so like touched and
uh
it was insane
And they have really cool like um
footage like before that starts like
kind of behind the scenes of like us
kind of talking to her privately which
it’s just really really really neat
So
I hope everybody gets to check it out
Yeah, it’s really neat
Um, I also was
realizing in the show they don’t really
explain that we were doing a thing for
Drew’s 50th birthday
No, we were wondering like are they
going to explain that we’re even at her
show
Like they didn’t, which is kind of
you just had to know, I guess
I guess or I guess for like people who
are watching it like they just probably
don’t they don’t need to fill in those
gaps, you know
I guess it’s like where are they
How is
this happening
I don’t know
If there
was somebody else, like if we were
watching some other Drew fan like have
this experience, you’d be like, How

Totally
What happened
Anyway, so that’s why
we’re here filling in the gaps
Um
anyway, so um like we said, once we were
done with that moment, which like
whirlwind, incredible, amazing moment,
um the items were like literally being
moved into the rehearsal space like
behind us, like disappearing as we were
like and they they did it all
Like they
moved everything
They reused some of
the shelving that they’ used on the Drew
Barry Moore’s 50th show for the backdrop
collector’s call
Like if you’re paying
attention, you can like see totally,
you know, a lot of the same like the way
it’s set up even
And then we were given lunch, which was
so cool and we felt so like I don’t
know
We were we were kind we were
talent guys
It was weird
Also, I just
remembered as we were walking to the
rehearsal space, Drew Drew like coming
to go up those stairs that they always
film her coming down when she’s getting
ready for the show
We’re just like,
Oh, hi
And her assistant had the
Ethel Barrymore photo that we had given
her
Oh, yeah
We didn’t even mention that
But yeah, I guess we mentioned it on our
episode about the the show
Yeah, we did
Another thing just about
that Ethel Barrymore picture
We I
didn’t remember that they took a picture
of Drew holding it with us and Scott and
then at the end of this episode it just
appeared
We’re like
had no memory of taking that picture at
all
So we’ll share that one because
it’s really cute
So we got to have our
hair and makeup touched up by Ramanda
Maru
She’s at beauty_by
roamanda on um Instagram
And she was
really cool
And also, I just really
like how my uh makeup looked in the
episode thanks to her touch-up
So,
thank you
I do remember that I I brought two of
the same shirt and I had like sweat
through it so badly because we we were
doing stuff for so long and I just am a
sweaty person
And I like to went to
take it off and switch into the other
one and I got makeup on it
So then I
would it was a whole thing but it worked
out
You weren’t in the room
I feel like you remember you telling me,
but did you go back to the other shirt
or did you clean off the one that you
I think I had to and then I like cleaned
it off for the next day because we had
to wear the same clothes the next day
So, I had like the new shirt on the next
Oh, anyway, the things the magic of
television
Thank you, Randa, for
making us look a little fresher after
like I think we’d had our makeup done
Like, what time was it
when the Jarimmore show did our makeup
9 or something
10 10 in the morning
I
don’t remember
So, then it
was like 2:00 p
I don’t even know what time it was
Then, um, it was time to
film for Collector’s Call
So, they like
had set up this thing after we ate
Um,
yeah, we were just kind of chilling,
eating, and, uh, watching them like set
up all the cameras, set up all the
stuff
It was I mean, all of this, we
love this We love the behind the
scenes
Love the behind the scenes
And I
remember just feeling this like sense of
like chill
Like I just felt so calm and
comfortable at that point because I
think we’d already had this huge like
adrenaline spike
I think we can attribute this somewhat
to the Collector’s Call crew
Absolutely
Because they were so cool,
so chill
Had it together
Small crew,
but like amazing
Really worked well together
Um,
and I, you know, I think they kept
saying like, Thank you to us for
seemingly being prepared and we can only
imagine like, well, we’ve been doing
this podcast or we’re like used to
talking to each other
Anyway, it went
really smooth
So, kind of the format
was they went through the six featured
items that they had chosen and we like,
you know, they bring that one to the
forefront and we would give background
on them and we would take pictures
posing with them
It was kind of
interesting because they asked us, you
know, beforehand to prepare like how did
you get it
How much did you pay
So,
unfortunately, I’ve kept horrible
records of that stuff
Don’t ask me why
So, I had to like dig so deep into old
like emails and like looking at like
eBay feedback and trying to fill in the
blanks
Was this that item
Um,
so a lot of it was kind of like guessing
work, but
yeah, it just happened to be we just
don’t spend a lot of money when we’ve
been very lucky
So everything we’re like couldn’t have
been more than $200,
right
And the fact that like a lot of
the things that they’re talking about
like would have been collected for the
jersey like many years ago
So yeah, you’re like I wouldn’t have
spent $1,000
Like I just wouldn’t have
like there’s no way
And we’re just frugal, you know
Like I
think I think in general like we we have
many stories of knowing people have paid
a lot for something and then we’re like
we like waited for the right moment or
we’re lucky and we didn’t you know like
whatever it is
Um so we’ve been pretty lucky
Um so
I’ll just like list a couple things
really quick
So they did the ballet
outfit from when Drew was a little
little kid before she did ET
Um the
fire starter chair back which was the
director’s chair back
By the way it’s
really hard to find like other things
like that the the chair back because I
was I don’t know
Um,
Christmas cards from Flower Films, which
were incredibly special, obviously
Um,
the dress from Never Been Kissed, the
prom dress, guys, that is so cool
And
when you see that in the background of
any of the images from the show or
anything, it’s like
it sticks out
immediately recognizable
It’s so cool
Um, the Charlie’s Angels costume from
their band moment at the end of the
first movie
And then we had filmed a
moment about this badge from 51st states
that’s in the jersey, but they ended up
not using that in the show
And I
remember when they did it, I was a
little bit like this is not it’s like
hard to like explain why it’s cool
It
probably didn’t show that well
We wouldn’t have picked that one, but
they ended up picking it
And then
obviously they decided not to use it,
which is kind of funny
So they filmed about six
and then we ended up ended up cutting it
down to five
Um, and I think we already
said this about like Lisa’s
professionalism
Lisa Welchel like she
was so cool, so funny
Oh my god
I And you already kind of mentioned like
how chill it was, including the fact
that we had like her there and she was I
don’t know
She was so like down to earth and funny
I’m like I totally get why her and Drew
would get along
It’s crazy that she’s
also been famous the most of her life
She was awesome and I was very like as
we already said I was very impressed
with how on the fly she could just like
they’d be like do say something like
this and she just boom do it so and
sound so good
Did you have a pun in there without
anything
I mean I guess this is maybe
like when we talk about how like lovely
and down to earth Drew is
Maybe it’s
because they’ve been famous their whole
lives
You know like I know not everyone is
like this but like
I don’t know just know just knowing how
to be a human
like I think they really
know how to be humans
All right, so um let’s get into day two
a little bit
So now at this point we’ve
like left the Drew Barrymore show, but
we’re just doing all the uh
second unit
Is that
Yeah, I guess it was
And just I
I love like just putting myself back in
that space and it was like freezing in
New York, but like remember we like went
and got really good Mexican dinner that
night
M
it was like super
And then Mike from
Collector’s Call, amazing guy
He while we were at that dinner, he sent
us like 40 50 behind thes scenes
pictures he had taken
And he’s like, I know it’s kind of a
lot, but I just am really into
cherishing memories
And we were like,
are you kidding me
This is amazing
Like he’s the reason we have them all
We had no idea he was just like
taking tons of pictures behind the
scenes
It was so great
It was
funny
He was apologizing for like the
influx
were like, No, like this is you
are
this is our jam
Like, that was so
cool
I’m glad you mentioned that
Like,
yeah, we had like a good meal
We were
like just
pinching ourselves
like Yeah
in like like total like zen
zone like whatever
We didn’t know what
was happening
So, day two, um, we this
was already like obviously part of the
plan
So, we had done the Drew and War
show and we knew there was going to be a
second day with Collector’s Call
So
they had like set up in an office
building to do all the like basically
like film us like interviews with us
where they like stage the background
once again with like collection items
And I I mentioned that never been kissed
dress cuz there’s one part where like
they do Scott’s interview and you can
like see the never kiss dress just like
silhouated blurry in the background
It
looks so cool
But it was it was really it was really
cool
Like in one room they were doing
these like very good like steady cam
close-up shots of all the items and it
was and they were so good about like
having us bring them over, having us
handle them
Like they wanted to handle
the items as little as possible
They
were very cool and understanding about
that which makes sense with what their
show is
But right
it was very meaningful to us that they
were like, Okay, we need this item
now
Like they let us bring it over
Um, so that was happening in one room
and I have a couple like cool videos and
pictures of that, but mostly we were
just being present and then in the other
room they had like these talking head
one-on-one interviews with us and we had
to like set up the background, remember
Cuz like it was just this weird rented
space that like kind of looked like a
living room and so they had us like fill
in the background with whatever items
that we had that we thought looked good,
which was really fun
It’s like and they
were like, You’re barely going to see
this on the show
like don’t worry too
much about it and they were right
It was so just a flash and I remember
being so worried just like to like a
little bit more behind the scenes like
we had gotten our makeup professionally
done at the Jaringmore show and then for
the second day I was like I’m not going
to look the same
My hair’s going to
look like My makeup’s going to
look you know and and you can’t it’s so
fast and I think we look great in both
and like
um anyways
they were right
They know what they’re
talking about,
right
And the edit and Yeah
And the
editing, like
I guess I guess we’re almost to the
point where we’re going to say the
episode takeaways, but like I was so
worried that day being interviewed
I
kept like stumbling over my words and
messing up and I was like, They’re not
going to be able to use this
I was so
like, Uh
And then like the little
bits that are on the show, I’m like,
Oh, I don’t sound like an idiot and I
look fine

Not at all
That was also like a very um that moment
of I remember of like sitting in the
chair and the like lights and cameras
were on me and um there their Lisa
different Lisa Lisa Carl the producer
was like off to the side to ask me
questions and I had this very like oh
this is that moment you always see in a
documentary where the like the person
sitting down and getting ready to start
the interview
I was like I’m in that
moment right now
This is so weird
It
was surreal to be like, Yeah, the
lights are on me and they’re at they
they’re interested in what I have to
say
Like,
it was weird, but it was also like it
was so validating, right
Like I think
this like for them to be interested in
why we’re collecting, what like
why we love her, like
Yeah
being treated like the experts that we
are
So, uh, what else do we even
say about like that
I guess the one
other thing I’ll say about like this
that second day about like them
photographing stuff and like watching
them like, you know, set up the cards
with the lights and all that stuff
I
was just like, whoa, this is like it
feels like to us their collection items,
but it like I don’t know, it elevated
it
This whole thing kind of elevated
the things like I thought about the fact
that like wait, we basically have like
sort of exhibited them
Even though it was like Yeah
on the
show for a split second and on
collector’s call like for a split
second
Like technically be beyond our
online exhibit, we’ve now exhibited
them
It’s our popup
Our popup that you know only uh
people who watch the shows get to see
and pay attention to it for a second
Anyway, so so so surreal
Oh, so actually watching it again like
so much time had passed and so there was
a lot we didn’t remember
also like just
the whirlwind
You just kind of black
out at moments
It’s so weird how that
happens
Um but yeah, so it was so cool
to see the stuff I’d forgotten about,
especially the stuff with Drew
It was
such a like joyful and cute episode
Like there were all these fun little
animations that they did that we really
enjoyed
And then we provided, you know, a lot of
personal photos
Again, I’m sure that
they were so like grateful to us to be
those types of people that they could
say, Do you have a picture of this
This, this, this, this
And we were
like, Yep, here you go
All uploaded in
this folder
So, we gave them a
lot to work with and it it really it was
really neat like to see the old pictures
of us like at the beginning of our
friendship
And
so, so funny like a bunch of us from
like Yeah
One of the first times we
really really hung out and I’m like 15
with braces like
Yeah,
guys
like we are we have been doing
this a long time and it’s like it was
cool to have them go through the history
and like in such a beautiful positive
light like not that I expected anything
differently but like
I think because our story has such a
like wholesome
you know like we’re like we met on a
message board and we I don’t know
there’s just so much like I don’t know
the time and the consistency and the
like friendships that have like come out
of it like they were able to sort of
like play up our friendship like
Yeah, I think you’re right
I think I
mean there’s a lot of factors that play
as to why, but there’s I don’t think
from like if I’m trying to put myself in
an objective outsiders perspective who
watch the episode, I don’t think you’d
come away going, What a couple of
weirdos

Like I think you go, Oh, this is
actually really sweet and cool
Yeah, I hope so, too
And I think well I
also wonder like if they’ve had like
other collectors who are like friends
that collect
like a duo
I think they’ve had maybe like married
couple or something
Yeah, that’s what I was going to say
I
feel like they’re like couples or people
who live together or something
Very unique experience for them in a lot
of ways
Also, I thought it was really
fun
Um and I was sort of surprised
after dealing with the like crazy
clearance issues for the Drew Barrymore
show
It was kind of hilarious to me
that they included a picture of us with
Jolina and Tess without even like asking
them for their permission
It’s okay
They’re like, We’re on me TV
No one
cares
Nobody cares
And yeah, like we got to
we got to represent the Drewies guys
on TV
I And it was also like this is now they
used that term so much in their like um
marketing for the episode and the promo
I’m like this is so cool
Like finally
that term is like out there
Like
everyone knows like the Swifties or like
you know the beehive or whatever they
call it for Beyonce
I’m like now maybe
some people actually know what a Drewie
is
This is awesome
Some of the promo said things like
if you’re not a Drewie yet like you will
be after this episode or like it’s
really cute
It’s so cute
So guys, we are we were so
touched
Like I mean I think seeing the
episode I just had no idea what to
expect
Like I didn’t
I mean we’ve seen the episodes
We know
what that we know what Collector’s Call
is like
But like
but this was a weird one
Like and they
like also had to like pull these
different setups and different like
there was a lot of different pieces
It’s like how are these going to go
together
And they they pulled it off
great
They did it beautifully
And I will say
once again, you said something about the
animations, but there were so many
little cute ones
Like I’m sorry, I just
have to like point out like there was
one where like you had sent a picture of
like magazines on the ground and like
they animated them like boop boop boop
boop like one at a time like dropping
into the frame
I was like
that is so freaking cute
Um okay, so I don’t even know
what else there is to say
If you’re
here because of collector’s call, thank
you so much for coming and like
and say hi
Let us know
Yeah, please
say hi if you’re here because of that
If you’re one of the many friends who’ve
reached out like, How can I watch this
Working on getting that edited and up

I’m a little bit concerned that we won’t
be able to keep it up because we do not
own the copyright to this
I probably
shouldn’t even be saying that, but we’re
hoping that we’ll be able to edit and
keep it up
And if you’re listening to
this, it should be available
There you go
And that’s the plan
And because yeah,
this is like one of This is our exhibit
basically
We got to exhibit for TV and
the jersey got a little bit of play and
really cool
Like this has been our
hobby
And I’ll just say like another
thing about it
I remember I was so
stressed out
There were so many moments
I was stressed out working through this
and you’re like I’m I’m having fun
This
is my hobby
We get to like literally our hobby
became for like a it’s we didn’t get
paid for this but there’s so much about
it that like benefited us like
validating what we do continuing like
it’s encouraging to continue what we’re
already doing
It’s just a hobby
but it’s like I don’t know you know
it’s obviously worthy of television so
it’s it’s not just like stupid
and Drew cares about it
we have benefited her life personally
quote unquote
so hobby becomes whatever is above hobby
that is not you know like I don’t know
somewhere between like hobby and
profession
I mean I guess I mean it is technically
my career that I’ve made out of this I
don’t know
one of my friends she watched it she
loved it she’s like I really loved the
part where they like talked about Ann’s
career and showed the picture I was like
yes like I made her take that picture
because I was like you have to include
I’m glad they included it, too
I
thought it was I thought it was fun that
like
they asked what for pictures of me maybe
working or something and I was like, I
don’t know
I can take something silly
and it ended up being so cute
And it
was like even like then Lisa was able to
be like, you owe your career to Drew
Like it was it was well done
So, thanks
guys
I hope it was fun for you to hear
just sort of the background of how the
how the television is made
sort of fun
to like just know how it all came
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It’s very meta, right
We’re like talking about talking
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Episode 065 - Babes in Toyland - Transcript

Episode 115 – Us, November 1998

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28.35	>> Enjoy the episode
31.35	[Music] How do you drew
34.35	How do you drew
37.35	[Music] >> Hello and welcome to How Do You Drew
40.35	This is a Drew Barrymore podcast brought to you by the Drewseum
43.35	com and sponsored by our friends at positive medium
46.35	I’m an Ashley
49.35	Here we are yet again
52.35	>> Yes, we are
55.35	We are here with episode 115 >> How are we How are we still here
58.55	Our passion is just endless
61.55	>> Given up
64.55	>> How have we not run out of topics to talk about
67.55	How have we not given up
70.55	Like what was the statistic you read
73.55	Like podcasts a lot of times don’t make it past like 10 or something
76.95	It was like >> I mean it’s you know it’s hard but we like it guys
80.20	We’re here for you >> and us
83.20	This is a lot of this is for us
86.20	Um okay so do we get to like literally jump into Drew Loves right away
89.70	Like how fun
92.70	>> I love love
95.70	We got a lot this week
98.70	Are you ready
101.70	Drew loves all things beauty
104.70	Yes, she does
107.70	She loves perogis
110.70	>> I had them for dinner last night
113.70	You’re eating donuts and pizza while we’re recording and now you’re telling me that >> I’m so healthy
118.70	>> Calling you out
121.70	Drew loves Jean Smart
124.70	>> Benny Hill
127.70	[Laughter] >> Perfect
130.70	She loves Helman’s the mayonnaise part
133.70	She loves Greece, too
136.70	I can’t believe that wasn’t on our list
139.70	>> I’ve never seen it
142.70	>> Oh, really
145.70	>> It’s definitely She always says you can like tell if someone’s cool by if they like Greece, too
150.60	But it’s like really campy
153.60	Like, it’s not the same as Greece
156.60	Like, you have to like them in different ways
159.60	>> And I used to watch it together and like make fun of it
162.60	>> All right
165.60	Drew loves A Double Life
168.60	She loves Donald Glover
171.60	>> She loves when people are at least understanding of what someone else is doing
175.65	>> Basically, she likes tolerance
178.65	>> Okay, sit down
181.65	We’ve never had this on the list
184.65	Drew loves avocados
187.65	>> Can’t believe it had never come up
190.65	>> I mean, it’s just like we just haven’t come up
193.65	It hasn’t come up while we’ve been doing the podcast
196.65	Like, yeah, >> we’ve heard her say her we’ve heard her proclaim her love for avocados
200.90	She wanted to be buried under an avocado tree so she would her body would grow through the roots and into those avocados for her friends to eat
205.90	>> I I love it
208.90	I want that, too
211.90	She also loves a good flashback, which I’m like, hell yeah
214.90	That’s what we’re here for most of the time
217.90	>> And finally, Drew loves salads and soups
220.90	>> I like salads and soups
223.90	>> Actually, I shouldn’t say finally because guess what, guys
226.95	You get a bonus Drew love section later on in this episode because the article that we are covering literally has Drew love and list stuff
231.95	It’s fantastic
234.95	>> I was so happy to see that
237.95	It was just like, yes, we love lists
240.95	Give us more lists
243.95	>> Yes, I know
246.95	It’s so true
249.95	Open up her purse and tell us everything that’s inside of it
252.95	I I want to know
255.95	We want to know
258.95	You know, it’s all part of the details, the Drew details
261.95	Um Okay, so we are gonna go into our mailbag for a minute
264.95	>> You’ve got mail
267.95	>> Okay, this is a really cool one out of nowhere
270.95	We got a DM on Instagram on our Drew Zoom account from Danielle Geysinger and she is the woman who created the Marilyn Monroe dress for Drew’s 1996 cover of George magazine
275.95	So, if you don’t know, it’s it’s a recreation of the Happy Birthday Mr
279.45	President dress with all the, you know, the the nude colored with all the rhinestones on it
284.00	>> So, this is a a really interesting message
287.00	She thought originally we were Drew, which is why she was like, “It happens
290.75	Drew, remember the dress
293.75	” And I was like, “No, but please tell us more
296.75	So, this is what she wrote to us
299.75	I had a couture studio in New York City for 25 years
302.75	Specialized in one-of-a-kind things for celebrities, print, and events
306.25	At the time, I worked a lot with Jordan magazine on many covers
309.40	the dress for Drew was special being a lifelong Marilyn fan
312.40	So, she was like stoked to make this recreation
315.40	>> Um, she said lots of research was involved
318.40	She needed the correct fabric to be found, which was called cotton marusette, which it says is found in France
323.40	So, like there was this like whole thing around it
326.40	They She said that Drew’s PR team only provided a few measurements, so the dress needed to be tight fitting with very little time on set for changes
331.40	And it says that they showed up on the studio in LA, zipped up the dress, and it was a perfect fit
336.30	Um, she remembers the big relief and says, “Oh, expertise and experience
339.90	” She said, “Was a great moment
342.90	Also, hundreds of rhinestones applied in numerous long nights
345.95	” >> Amazing
348.95	And she doesn’t know where the dress is now, which is such a bummer
352.30	>> I’m glad you asked
355.30	She also pointed out that she’s only credited in the magazine as a stylist
359.00	They didn’t actually credit her as designing the dress, which is like kind of a bummer because it sounds like it was a ton of work
364.00	And I wonder if she was generally like doing like >> I don’t know like how the crediting works with that kind of thing
369.00	If they’re just like how that encompasses anything to do with the wardrobe, >> right
373.20	>> But that’s a lot of work to make a whole thing
376.20	>> It’s a lot of work
379.20	Um she now solely designs hats
382.20	So I guess she’s over the dressing after this now, >> right
385.20	They’re the hats maybe are easier to fit, >> but so cool
388.20	We love firsthand info from people who did anything with Drew, especially like this
392.35	I mean, we throw around the word iconic a lot, but this is one of the iconic magazine covers of her career
397.35	>> Yeah, it was neat for her to be doing, you know, this Marilyn sort of um interpretation with George
402.35	And it’s a beautiful cover
405.35	And yeah, I think we’ve talked about this cover before, but there’s nothing of Drew inside, right
410.20	>> There’s one picture in the contents, >> okay
413.20	>> But you can’t see the dress really in that one
416.20	Um, >> and we have talked a lot about Drew and her love of Marilyn Monroe and her various homages and references over the years
421.20	We have a whole episode on that if you guys want to check it out
424.40	But yes, we we had some good feedback on that from Marilyn fans
427.55	So, like that was a really fun one that some good research went into
430.95	Yeah, it was a good one
433.95	>> So, the kind comments corner, we’re kind of shifting in this episode because there’s a reader mail in response to the magazine we’re covering that we are using for this segment
438.95	So, stay tuned for that
441.95	Um, all right
444.95	So, let’s go back in time
447.95	You know, we do this many times in every episode, but let’s do it for this week in Drew History
452.70	>> We love a flashback just like Drew
455.70	October 10th, 2009 was Drew’s sixth and final for now, knock on wood, time hosting, Saturday Night Live
460.70	And it was a record setting one
463.70	It made her the most uh hosted woman at the time, which unfortunately that record has been broken now
468.70	Scarlett Johansson, >> is she seven
471.70	Yeah, that’s right
474.70	But Drew Drew will be on again
477.70	My god, you know how I feel about this
480.70	I’m like, she’s right there
483.70	>> I mean, right away I’m like I don’t remember a lot of this one cuz you link to like the recap of the skits
488.70	I’m like, “Oh my god
491.70	” And I just like saw I I love Fred Armison and they did this like Brenda and Shawn thing where they’re like really annoying and they’re in white like magic fingers
496.70	It’s like a digital I didn’t I didn’t really remember it either
499.85	I don’t remember it at all, but I’m like Drew in like a short brown wig
503.40	Like hilarious
506.40	I mean, wigs are one of the really fun things about Saturday Night Live
509.95	>> Um Memorably has the Barrymore impressions in the opening monologue where it’s supposed to be like her ancestors
514.95	That’s pretty fun
517.95	We have a whole episode at number 98 on ranking the monologues from her times hosting if you guys want to check that out
522.95	It’s pretty fun
525.95	Um, another pretty memorable skit, probably the most memorable within this appearance is the Gilly one
530.95	So, this is uh Kristen Wig
533.95	If you guys like don’t know the Gilly character, it’s worth looking up
537.45	It’s really silly
540.45	She’s like, is she Italian or Oh, no
543.45	Drew her Italian cousin, I think
546.45	Yeah, it says and Gilly
549.45	Um, the episode doesn’t have like some of our favorites
552.45	Like I was like, “Oh, when was Body Fusion
555.45	” And that was like a couple years before
558.45	Yeah, it’s probably my least favorite of all of our times hosting
561.70	It just maybe because I’ve seen it the least, I don’t know, but it just like doesn’t grab me
566.30	>> I need to rewatch it like >> Well, of course only like half of it is on Peacock, so good luck
571.10	>> Of course
574.10	>> Of course
577.10	Um, there is, funnily enough, so our last episode we talked about Drew and her, of course, infamous 1995 flashing of David Letterman
582.10	There was a really brief reference to it um in the Bill Hater Vinnie Vadichi talk show skit and they talk about it very briefly but rehearsal photos because if you don’t know they take all the like press photos of SNL during the rehearsal so a lot of times they don’t match what actually airs which is like always kind of a trip to me
587.10	>> It really is
590.10	The rehearsal photos show that she like actually gets up on the table or the, you know, the desk and strips down to this tank top that says titty Vichi on it
595.10	>> I couldn’t fully read it, but that’s so great
598.10	>> They didn’t do that in the episode when it aired
601.10	>> I, you know, I realized like that that show is put together so quickly with Saturday Night Live
606.00	Like they start writing it at the beginning of the week and then they perform it at the end
610.55	So like things are they change like at the last minute and rehearsals I’m guessing the day before but who knows
615.55	>> No, I think it’s the day
618.55	I >> think it’s the same day
621.55	But like yeah, there are sometimes like wig changes and like rewrites
625.00	Um >> anyway, you had made a note here that Justin Long did a cameo as Matthew McConna skit, which I don’t remember it
630.00	Um but he was on stage at at the end during the Gumbies
633.00	They like always have everybody kind of like in the cast and anyone who appeared usually on stage and he’s holding hands with Drew and of course we like have such a fondness for them as a couple
638.00	So it’s really >> I’m pretty sure they were also like still trying to say they weren’t together
642.75	I’m like guys >> hello
645.75	>> Um one thing I do love about this episode are the bumper photos
649.05	Like these are some of my favorites of her by Mary Ellen Matthews as always
652.80	She’s been the SNL staffer forever, but these are amazing
655.80	So, if you guys don’t know them, we’ll definitely share some
658.80	I love the like stars on her face and some of them
661.80	There’s like one with the big red balloon
664.80	The colorization
667.80	Yeah, she just looks so freaking cool
670.80	>> It’s really neat
673.80	Like, yeah, the the way they messed with the saturation of the colors and she styled so cool
678.40	Like, we we tend to love her style in this area anyway
681.40	We have a whole episode on that, too, guys, if you want to listen to that
685.05	That’s true, guys
688.05	We’ve gone over so many little pieces of things we talk about
691.10	The crossovers are just endless
694.10	>> Yeah, we could be here forever if we tried to say every episode we’re referencing in the past
698.90	All right, so let’s kind of come back to the present and talk about what’s new with Drew
703.30	Here we go with the news, everybody
706.30	Okay, so Drew made a fun little appearance at the Atlanta CBS station, WBS, to promote the show
711.05	Um, I guess they like must do really well there
714.05	I saw some picture where the numbers, it was like the number one for the show was in that market
718.85	Um, so that must be why she went and there’s a lot of really cute pictures of her with the staff there
723.85	A bunch of people had posted stuff
726.85	She also did a sitdown interview, but um, I haven’t been able to find that video online
731.20	I even asked the interviewer and she said that it would be on there, but I don’t see it
735.55	So, it’s a bummer
738.55	Love to see that
741.55	So, yeah, hopefully we’ll be able to see it
744.55	And I just noted that she’s in like a monochromatic outfit, like head to toe gray, including the shoes
749.55	And I feel like that’s something they’re doing a lot with like her style
753.15	>> I’ve also noticed um and I just like messaged Matthew Kilgore about it
756.80	She seems to be really into these very wide belts right now
759.80	Have you noticed that
762.80	Like belting everything
765.80	>> But yeah, it’s it’s cute
768.80	And like I mean I guess maybe we’re trying to see what the season six style is
772.70	>> And I feel like that’s where it’s at
775.70	Yeah, like kind of cool
778.70	>> All right
781.70	Um, so another event, so she’s kind of been like out a little bit
784.95	>> Yeah, it’s so fun
787.95	>> Drew also attended a support and feed fundraising event, which is an organization founded by Billy Isish’s mom, Maggie Bard or Baird
792.95	Um, that is quote working toward a global shift to an equitable plant-based food system unquote
797.70	>> Sounds cool
800.70	>> Yeah, >> super cool
803.70	And Drew looks really cute and kind of natural
806.70	Like she looks like she’s running out
809.70	And I we love Billy Eyish in my house
812.70	I’m always like happy to see Drew and her together
815.70	>> Oh, yeah
818.70	Sadder news, but not surprising news
821.70	>> We’ve been reporting on this for a really long time, guys
824.70	Like, we saw the writing on the wall probably over a year ago
827.75	Like, Flower Beauty, something was going on
830.75	Aka nothing was going on
833.75	And we’ve just kind of been feeling like it’s going to it’s something’s going on
837.75	And then Drew actually told us in person when we were at the Drew Barrymore show that she was stopping both Drew magazine and Flower Beauty
842.75	And for some reason I’m like we keep telling you guys but like people don’t don’t want to accept it, you know, like it’s straight from her mouth
847.75	Not everyone is hearing us
850.75	She said like um you know she was just doing too much and she was like going to have a nervous breakdown and we were totally like >> What was that thing you said like the balance beam
855.75	the Simone Biles balance beam moment because she’d been talking about that earlier that day
860.30	So, anyway, Mesa, which was sort of like the parent company to Flower Beauty, they finally gave an official statement to um a publication called Beauty Independent, and it did confirm the end of Flower Beauty
865.30	Sad, sad, sad
868.30	We will link to that article, but just a couple little quotes
871.35	They said, “Flower Beauty will always hold a special place in Mesa’s story
875.05	As part of our strategic evolution, Mesa has decided to exit the color cosmetics category
879.50	” Which is like kind of interesting because I don’t think that’s the real reason
883.50	>> And I thought it was interesting, too
886.50	>> They also said, “We have been fortunate enough to have Drew Barrymore as a great founder partner, and we are grateful for the incredible journey we have shared
891.50	” >> The end
894.50	It’s sad cuz we’ve like even though I’m not a huge makeup wearer like we’ve been of course supporting the brand since it >> started long 12 years more almost 13
899.50	It’s a bummer, but I’m also like, you know, there there are so many like things we got out of it, like different photo shoots and like oh my gosh, you know, I mean, I don’t know
904.50	It’s Drew had to do what she had to do, but yeah, it’s another >> fully support her doing what’s best for her, but it’s also like the end of an era and it makes us a little sad
909.50	>> These those transitions are always hard
912.50	Okay, so then uh is this our like last news before we get into the weekly topic
916.45	Um, Drew also attended the broadcasting and cable hall of fame event where she was honored as an inductee
921.45	Hey, that’s pretty cool
924.45	>> Thank you so much for having me tonight
927.45	I am so honored
930.45	>> And she had Valerie Burtonelli, Ember Trusale, you know, who is a longtime flower film staffer and the current president
935.45	>> And then also um the Jermore Show’s executive producer, Jason Curts
938.95	our buddy Jason
941.95	>> Our friend Jason
944.95	Yeah, we’ve been on a Zoom call with him, guys
947.95	We know him
950.95	So, she had a little crew with her and that’s really cool
953.95	>> Hey, Drew
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997.90	>> Thank you
1000.90	>> Okay, so I guess we can get into this really fun weekly topic
1004.10	Uh, we realized we were due for a magazine
1007.10	Yeah, I know
1010.10	Oh, it’s been kind of a little bit of time
1013.10	And this has always been one that I really loved
1016.10	Probably because it it hit right when you know in 1998
1019.10	We’ve become super fans at this point
1022.10	>> I was trying to remember if I bought it off the stands and I had to have
1025.85	>> I bet you did
1028.85	I had to have
1031.85	Anyway, continue
1034.85	>> It’s just one of those like the photos I’m like, “Oh, they’re really cute
1038.65	” They’re not like, “Oh, this is so important to me, the photos
1041.80	” But I always love >> the nostalgia
1044.80	And there’s like a lot of tidbits galore as we were mentioning in this one that we really love
1049.50	Um, just a little context on top for anybody who wasn’t around in the 90s buying magazines
1054.00	>> Before we had this crappy US Weekly that we have now, prior to that, US was a really cool magazine
1059.00	Um, it was a publication from the editors of Rolling Stone and it had in always like incredible articles, these amazing photo shoots
1064.00	Like I had so many pictures on my wall from us
1067.00	They always did that Young Hollywood issue that was amazing
1070.00	>> And then in March 2000, they switched over to the Weekly, which became just like the I mean, it’s it’s crap
1075.00	It basically really quickly became like a rag mag
1078.00	And it’s like horrible quality paper and printing like these days
1081.25	>> But, you know, the the publication industry is weird
1084.25	It’s either like like that or it’s like really nice and kind of expensive, you know, like like an art magazine >> because we love paper
1089.25	>> Oh my god
1092.25	I feel like I should have this ready all the time
1095.25	>> I love paper
1098.25	>> We don’t like crappy paper as Weekly
1101.25	>> We do not
1104.25	Um, and guys, speaking out about another episode because we’re just going to reference ourselves for the rest of eternity
1109.25	Um, on episode 15, which feels like forever ago, a hundred episodes ago
1112.80	>> Ah, exactly
1115.80	That’s so cool
1118.80	>> It’s so cool
1121.80	We covered the 1997 US cover feature
1124.80	So, if you want to go back and listen to that, like >> wild that it just h we didn’t decide to do this because 100 episodes had passed
1129.80	Like anyway, so we have a couple um things just before we jump into the article
1133.75	The article was written by Joanna Schneller
1136.75	Um she interviewed Drew again in 2015 for um a Canadian uh magazine or I don’t know if it’s like a newspaper magazine
1141.75	Yeah, the Globe and Mail, but we can’t access it
1144.75	It’s behind a payw wall
1147.75	So be cool to see that considering how fun this article is, right
1151.00	>> Um, and we’ll be including lots of direct quotes from the article because it’s written in such a fun way and the author like really made an effort
1156.00	I I love that you’re describing it this way like catching Drew’s like voice like her enthusiastic way of speaking
1161.00	She’s like >> really trying to get it across like it’s fun
1164.00	So if like we’re going to read a lot but it’s fun to like read it through like look at it cuz there’s a lots of like italicizing
1169.00	I was going to say like just a little behind the scenes for you guys
1172.40	Normally when I pull direct quotes into our notes, I italicize them, but there was so many italics in this article, I couldn’t do that, so I ended up using like a highlighter instead
1177.40	[Music] >> Okay
1180.40	>> Some other credits
1183.40	The photos were done by Mark Baptiste and hair and makeup both were done by the old standby Jillian Frink, also known as Jillian Dempsey
1188.40	Um, do we want to talk a little about Jillian
1191.40	Because I I know we’ve mentioned her, but >> No, it’s fun
1194.40	It’s fun to kind of do it in in situations like this
1197.40	So, she did literally dozens of photo shoots with Drew from the mid 90s through the early 2000s
1202.15	like she was the one that was always she usually did makeup, but she sometimes would do hair as well
1207.15	Um the earliest collabs that I could find in our records, which are a little incomplete for hair styling and makeup credits, we’re working on that
1212.15	Um but they were from 1995 cuz she did the Italian Glamour, which is that like um leopard print >> uh shoot
1217.15	And then she also did Saturday morning cartoons
1220.15	So that’s really cool
1223.15	I don’t know which came first
1226.15	>> Interesting
1229.15	That’s cool
1232.15	>> I found Yeah, I found a quote where she said, “I met Drew Barrymore at a Vanity Fair shoot and she and I became fast friends
1237.15	I worked with her and traveled all over the world with her for seven or eight years, but the only Vandy Fair shoot that Drew did like in that time frame would have been 1999
1242.15	” So, I think she might be misremembering a little bit there, which is okay
1245.90	>> I’m wondering if it like kicked off like more of a consistent thing
1249.40	>> Yeah, I don’t know
1252.40	Or maybe they I don’t know
1255.40	They work together so much
1258.40	It’s hard to believe that like that was a turning point, but >> that must have somehow been memorable
1263.40	Like, who knows
1266.40	Um, it’s kind of a unknown fact and the only reason we know this is because it’s in her divorce papers to Tom Green, but Drew was a silent part owner of Jillian’s first beauty brand, which was called Deluxe Beauty
1271.40	So, that’s like kind of a neat thing
1274.40	We love Deluxe
1277.40	We used to go to Sephora and try it on
1280.40	I had like >> get chimpy blue
1283.40	>> Chimpy Blue with the eyeliner
1286.40	And I think I finally figured out the red lipstick I liked was called Clovis
1290.20	And they were familiar
1293.20	>> They were really nice
1296.20	Like I remember really liking those products
1299.20	>> Yeah, I feel like I had another like blue like chimpy blue and then one other like greeny one
1304.00	And I loved them so much
1307.00	>> Yeah, that that sounds familiar
1310.00	>> I remember us putting Deluxe Beauty on um it was before one of the premieres, >> the full throttle premiere
1315.00	>> Yeah, >> totally
1318.00	>> And it’s so funny
1321.00	I always forget that I met Jillian at a Sephora event on Halloween in 2004
1324.70	I don’t know why she had an event on Halloween, but I like it must have been in Orange County
1329.35	That’s where I was living and I went there and I got to meet her
1332.55	I have a picture with her and I think I’m sure I told her I was a huge Drew fan
1336.50	She was super sweet
1339.50	So, it’s funny
1342.50	I always forget that happened and then I go, “Wait a minute
1345.50	” >> That’s so funny
1348.50	We have a lot of those
1351.50	Like we’ve met a lot of people in Drew’s circle >> cuz we’re like I mean like when I tell the story of meeting Drew the first time and then seeing Chris and just saying like Chris like people don’t know him unless they’re paying attention to like her crew, you know
1356.50	>> Of course
1359.50	So anyway, I was trying to remember if it was Jillian in MTV Diary, which is a an incredible program that we loved, and you probably have heard us talk about it before, but there’s this hilarious little bit with like Flossy
1364.50	And did Jillian draw on the mustache and the eyebrows
1367.50	>> Yeah, they’re actually playing with the Deluxe Beauty products at that point
1371.45	>> Yeah, so they’re like they put like eyebrow they draw eyebrows on Flossy and like a little mustache
1376.45	And then Drew says, I don’t know what the context is, but she’s like, a little mustache
1380.80	Anyway, yeah, there there are a couple like funny little bits
1383.85	There are many little bits from diary that we in our personal life quote
1387.45	It just seeped into our brains
1390.45	They call uh Drew and Jillian call each other weird little elfie twins, and we definitely stole that
1395.45	>> Yeah, we definitely stole it
1398.45	Um, and then one more credit before we jump into the photos, the styling on this shoot was done by John Moore
1403.45	So, we had our kind of detour with Jillian
1406.45	We’re back to it, you guys
1409.45	Um, >> okay
1412.45	So, the photos you mentioned, they’re, you know, they’re not super exciting, but there’s a lot of nostalgia
1417.45	>> They’re very sweet and cozy, which we’ll talk about that
1420.45	Um, so they were shot in Santa Monica on the beach
1423.45	Um, and looks kind of like maybe the pier as well
1426.45	And I love your note here, like it’s on the beach, but it very much feels fall
1430.35	And I just think of I’ve been to like either Santa Monica or Venice in like the fall >> and it’s cold like the wind can be really cold
1435.35	So I’m just like like hey she’s wearing like a sweater here and yet it feels like weird
1439.70	>> Yeah, >> but you would not identify it as beach immediately
1442.80	That’s for sure
1445.80	In fact, like I think only because I’ve been there so often did I’ve at some point put it together
1450.70	Like I don’t think the magazine states it’s Santa Monica, but it’s very clearly Santa Monica if you know the area
1455.70	I could even identify one of the pictures looks like it’s done like in a parking lot right next to Shutters, which is a like famous place there
1460.70	Um >> let’s I want to just like talk about the pictures a little bit
1464.10	So I think the cover is darling
1467.10	>> I love this cover
1470.10	It’s so cute
1473.10	>> It’s so cute
1476.10	It’s a like beautiful framing of her face
1479.10	Quite close up
1482.10	She It’s It’s gorgeous
1485.10	She’s got a little smirk like >> little little Drew smirk and she’s just cozy with her sweater
1489.80	>> It’s very very adorable
1492.80	Um the photo in the credits I’ve always loved because it’s black and white
1496.50	It always feels a little bit more like I don’t know moody or something
1500.00	>> It’s definitely more moody
1503.00	She’s like in like tree branches too or something like that
1506.00	>> Or maybe >> the coloring of it is a kind of reminding me of the Mark Cigar um Rolling Stone like >> Okay
1511.00	>> black and white picture
1514.00	>> Just the coloring
1517.00	Just the coloring
1520.00	>> I see it
1523.00	>> Um and then the other like the one other picture that um I feel like this >> I feel like I had a copy of this page that has like this writing happily ever after like Drew cut out of it some point, right
1528.00	Like I’m have that, too
1531.00	That’s so funny
1534.00	I love this picture
1537.00	This is probably my favorite
1540.00	She’s hanging from these like exercise rings or I don’t know
1543.00	Gymnastics rings
1546.00	They’re right there like at Muscle Beach
1549.00	You can see the pier in the background of one of the pictures
1552.05	>> Yeah, you can see the butterfly tattoo, which I thought is fun because the last issue of us has the butterfly picture
1557.05	>> But yeah, this one’s just so playful
1560.05	Even though I think her shoes are really weird in this, uh, it’s a really cute picture
1564.35	Yeah, this it I mean kind of overall it feels like very toned down
1567.65	So like yeah, she was styled and she was like the makeup was done but she’s it’s super natural
1572.35	Superal, >> not super natural, but super natural
1575.35	Um they’re they’re really sweet and she’s basically just wearing all black
1579.05	It’s a very toned down
1582.05	Like the whole thing’s very toned down
1585.05	And I do love the last one as well where she’s like on a car in the parking lot because you can see her cross tattoo
1590.05	Did you guys know we love a tattoo peak
1593.05	Because we do
1596.05	>> We definitely do
1599.05	Um and then of course the magazine as magazines do they have like sometimes other like unrelated photos
1604.05	Um so those appear inside this
1607.05	Um like there’s a picture of is that who is that with Drew
1610.05	So yeah there’s a picture say it’s Jade >> and it Yeah
1613.05	So, there’s a picture of Drew holding hands with a woman and it says it’s Jade, but it is not
1617.70	I don’t know who it is
1620.70	I tried to like figure it out
1623.70	It was at that um Screen Actor Guild 50th anniversary thing we were just talking about offic I couldn’t figure out
1628.70	I’m like, it could just be some woman who was taking her to the stage, like helping her
1633.05	That’s true
1636.05	That’s true
1639.05	And then there’s a picture of Drew with Luke
1642.05	She kind of gets into that loveydvey thing
1645.05	And then there’s also a photo of Drew with Courtney Love and Eric Erlinson in the background
1649.65	And there’s some quotes from Courtney
1652.65	So, it’s neat that they kind of like included all these >> relevant things, but unfortunately we’re wrong about Jade
1657.65	That’s a bummer
1660.65	Um, there are a lot of outtakes from this photo shoot, which is exciting
1664.25	Um, they’ve been available over the years through photo agencies
1667.45	And then also other magazines printed them
1670.45	Um, especially the 17 from December 1999 cover and feature on Drew featured some of these and including those like kind of amusement park looking ones where it looks like she’s on a ride of some sort
1675.45	I tried to find the ride
1678.45	I didn’t have any luck
1681.45	But yeah, there’s some really cool out takes
1684.45	I feel like we do have like a full a full page of one of these out takes that’s like from a foreign magazine or something
1689.45	I had for I had forgot or just haven’t thought about for a while that these it was used as a cover for 17 like a year after
1694.45	>> Yeah, >> cheating
1697.45	>> Um but they at least they printed like all different ones
1700.45	>> That’s true
1703.45	>> That’s the good thing
1706.45	>> I’ll give him that
1709.45	[Music] >> All right
1712.45	Are you ready for the article
1715.45	The main reason we’re here, guys
1718.45	>> Yeah, absolutely
1721.45	>> As Ann mentioned, the article is called Happily Ever After, and it’s got that classic us font that it’s like put in on the page, which I love
1726.45	>> Kind of blocky
1729.45	>> Blocky angled
1732.45	>> And the by line, which we always kind of like to put this at the top because it tells us what’s to come, >> is after a rocky start as a movie star, she was an alcoholic at age nine
1737.45	Drew Barrymore has come up smelling like ivory soap and looking like a slice of pink and yellow birthday cake
1742.45	Of course, there is that little matter of a family curse
1745.45	Dot dot dot
1748.45	It’s like ominous at the end
1751.45	I like But I that birthday cake thing I I mentioned in our last uh episode at the end when we were talking about this article like I’ve always remembered that birthday cake thing
1756.45	I think we even used that
1759.45	Remember how on the old version of the Drew, we used to put a little quote >> about true and I think that was one of them once
1764.45	>> I bet I bet we did because that would have made a perfect little image
1768.10	We used to put like the image of whatever the descriptive thing was
1771.45	>> Um, okay
1774.45	So, the article opens with Drew exclaiming that she’s always wanted to have head lice, which is like so silly, but it was all because she was thought it would be a great excuse to get out of school cuz like you know, every kid who gets lice, you don’t want to give it to other kids
1779.45	We know how to hilarious about school as a child
1782.45	It’s just a funny It’s a funny introduction to how kind of random Drew can be also
1786.55	>> Um and then Drew stops to gush gratitude to the waiter who’s just brought her iced tea
1791.00	We know she is a fiend for the iced tea
1794.00	And this is the first kind of quote of her
1797.00	She says, “All I want in life is a cold drink
1800.00	” She drinks and makes enthusiastic ooh uh ah noises
1803.00	So then she goes on to like coming back to the headlice
1806.00	She says her karma is probably going to be that she’s going to get lice later in life and she’ll have to suffer
1811.00	>> Before you get into these quotes, like I love that the writer says that Drew quote launches headlong into everything including these stories
1816.00	But it’s like yes she does when she like goes she goes like full in
1819.35	So, she talks about getting allergic reactions when she was first meeting with uh who we know to be Wayne Maer, who was the photographer of the guest campaign
1824.35	And then again, more recently while she was doing Ever After Press and she says both times she was covered with hideous like blotches like a puffer fish that has acne or something
1829.35	>> You know those cool little isms that we do
1832.35	>> Sometimes I feel like a puffer fish with acne
1835.35	I totally get that
1838.35	>> The way that Drew describes things are accurate descriptions and that’s one of the reasons why it’s so great
1843.35	Like they make us laugh and feel what she’s trying to describe
1846.45	It’s so great
1849.45	>> So, um Drew also shares that um spontaneous changes like those from allergic reactions freak out because like gradual ones are okay
1854.45	like suddenly finding that she likes jalapenos or getting her hair done or like the Grateful Dead and exercise
1859.45	>> Yeah, she’s like like these changes are fine when I’m like ch my tastes are changing versus like your body’s being puffy
1864.45	What a funny description
1867.45	>> Um and I then at the after this kind of flurry of stories
1870.45	I like that the article says that Drew quote sucks in a headful of iced tea
1874.20	She beams at me
1877.20	I have known her for five minutes
1880.20	If that doesn’t accurately sum up meeting Drew or hanging out with Drew, even if you don’t really know her, >> yeah, I don’t know what does
1885.20	It’s so good
1888.20	>> Okay, so I had to pull this whole paragraph because we always love We always love these when in the article it like sets the scene
1893.20	Where are they
1896.20	What is she wearing
1899.20	Um, this one does it so masterfully
1902.20	Joanna, way to go
1905.20	>> I love it
1908.20	So, she says, “On this August day on a tiny restaurant patio in West Hollywood, Drew Barry Moore, 23, is wearing a blue button-down shirt, beat up khakis, and clunky funny shoes
1913.20	When she’s not playing with her hair, she tucks it behind her ears, each of which sports five earring holes, all empty
1918.20	She smells like ivory soap
1921.20	Drafts of clean air wash over me as she leans forward or sits back
1924.50	She looks like a college junior
1927.50	not the new kid anymore, but not quite ready to graduate
1930.50	She looks like a big happy slice of pink and yellow birthday cake
1933.75	She looks for possibly the first time in her 22year career her age, which is like, yeah, it’s funny
1938.70	Like, I still can’t look at her in 1998 and be like, she looks like a college kid, but she could have been
1943.70	Like, she >> Right
1946.70	It’s kind of weird
1949.70	Like I feel like she’s 22, but I’m also like I could be convinced even though I know Drew so well, like >> she looks like she’s 28 or like when I think about her career and everything she was doing at this point, like she’s only 22
1954.70	Like we’re always doing that
1957.70	>> And I love that you pulled a couple of examples of like what the outfit that she was describing might have been like because we have such an archive of Drew’s like appearances and everything that we, you know, we can kind of look like this is when this is what it done
1962.70	We have pictures from August 98 of her in blue button-up shirts
1965.85	So, we’ll share some of those in the gallery
1968.85	>> And I was trying to think of what like chunky funny shoes we she would have been wearing
1973.40	Like, I don’t know
1976.40	I can’t think of like I all I can think of is like 99 like those like Adidas sandals or something, you know, like >> Yeah, it could be those
1981.40	>> Anyway, so this is another kind of funny description of the way Drew talks
1985.25	So, the writer observes that Drew talks in stream of consciousness sentences that Drew refers to as quote verbal waterfall syndrome
1990.25	Feels kind of like Drewism adjacent again
1993.25	>> I feel like we need to use that more
1996.25	She definitely has that
1999.25	>> I think so, too
2002.25	>> It just like gushes out of her
2005.25	>> Flagging that one
2008.25	>> But then Joanna points out that Drew is not to be underestimated because she has a light inside of her and she lets that light shine
2013.25	And guess what
2016.25	Someone called Drew a light, take a drink, guys
2019.25	>> It is no surprise that she is described this way, guys
2022.25	If you know anything about her, she is a light
2025.25	So, so then the article goes on to explain
2028.25	It says, “Everyone who knows her loves her
2031.25	” The writer is told things like, “She’s a tireless philanthropist, a sponge who soaks up information, a vegetarian, an animal rights activist, an advocate for safe sex and optimism
2036.25	She has a little man in her, quote unquote, her father used to say
2039.55	She’s adorable, meaning you can’t not adore her
2042.55	She’s an honest to God hippie
2045.55	A ball of warm golden love
2048.55	Guys, this is another son
2051.55	Take another drink
2054.55	I love that one
2057.55	A ball of warm golden love
2060.55	That’s our girl
2063.55	>> So, we get some quotes from some of the people
2066.55	I love that this um author like went and talked to a bunch of people who know her
2070.60	So Andy Tenant, who of course is a director of the Amy Fischer story and Ever After, >> love this quote
2075.60	He said, “She’s a pinball
2078.60	Bang, bang, bang
2081.60	There’s so much life to live right now
2084.60	Today, by 10, it’s infectious
2087.60	You start to think that anything is possible
2090.60	” >> Yes, >> yes
2093.60	And then Edward Norton said, “She is one of the very few people I know who has a sincere and self-motivated desire to give energy back to other people
2098.60	” >> Oh, that’s so true
2101.60	I just have like one thought about that
2104.60	I was like, well, probably leaving like not a lot for herself
2107.65	>> Well, we know that
2110.65	>> I kind of get >> she’s the lowest priority on the rung
2113.65	We know that
2116.65	Um, >> she’s getting better
2119.65	>> Yeah, she’s getting better
2122.65	And then Courtney Love, who was a good friend at the time, says, “She really does not have a bad bone in her body
2127.65	She is non-malevolent
2130.65	She’s like a sister to me, somebody I would really fight to protect
2134.00	” And she brings that out in all sorts of people
2137.00	>> That’s so true, too
2140.00	People want to protect her
2143.00	Is that what Whoopy Goldberg or or um >> Oh, Mary Louise Parker said that
2146.65	I >> think something like you want to just take care of her like everyone something like that >> or watch out for her
2151.65	Something to that effect
2154.65	Like Drew brings that out
2157.65	>> Definitely
2160.65	>> Um >> and the writer notes how strangers come up to Drew every single day, of course, but there’s a couple like kind of fun examples
2165.65	So, uh, it says Carla Hacken, who was the senior vice president at Fox 2000, um, tells a story of at least seven people coming to their table during a dinner, and she said Drew was so nice to every person, so unruffled, and each time she was able to go directly back to our conversation
2170.65	Like, as I was saying, my take on the script, she handled it with such grace and poise
2174.95	She was so adult
2177.95	I can totally envision it
2180.95	Like, you can totally see that, >> right
2183.95	She does it like on her show like she can just be talking to someone in the audience and then turn around and like go into professional mode
2188.95	>> And I love this
2191.95	There’s also another really brief story about a lady working behind the counter at McDonald’s in New Jersey who burst into tears when Drew walked in
2196.95	And then it says, “Drew being Drew cried right along with her
2200.00	” I always loved that line so much
2203.00	It’s so It’s so true
2206.00	>> I loved my idea making Drew cry
2209.00	We’ve done it
2212.00	We’re so good at it
2215.00	So, there’s some fun notes on Drew
2218.00	Why Drew says she loves acting
2221.00	So, she says, “The character I’m playing now loves chocolate and I hate chocolate
2225.05	I would rather barf than eat chocolate, but how much fun is it to play someone who loves chocolate
2229.95	” So, can I can I interject and be like, I don’t know, but I have to think of Josie Geller
2234.45	It has to be who she was talking about eating the brownie at the club
2237.90	>> Loves chocolate
2240.90	Um, and then she gives another example
2243.90	She says, “Or an ever after when I’m dealing with pain with my stepmother
2247.55	” And yeah, I totally think of my own life and how much I am in need to have the conver that conversation with my own mother
2252.55	>> And in Scream, she said in Scream, when I was 3 years old, something really weird happened where a man tried to break into my house and I was there alone and it changed the way I slept forever
2257.55	You were there alone at three
2260.55	And also, what the hell
2263.55	>> What the hell
2266.55	>> 70s, >> right
2269.55	And then she says, “And Julia, oh my god, Julia from The Wedding Singer, she is the woman that I long to be
2274.55	The perfect girl
2277.55	She is so easy
2280.55	She is so not complex
2283.55	I love that
2286.55	” And then like the writer notes that Drew will never not be complex because she thinks way too much
2291.55	>> Oh, I like that
2294.55	So, the article kind of runs down Drew’s former badg girl movie roles, which we we all are familiar with, and how she’s moved away from that
2299.55	And there’s a fun quote from Nancy Javon, who of course is her partner in Flower Films
2303.85	>> Nancy says, “We used to say we had a mandate against Wild Girl Parts
2307.40	Now we just say we don’t love them, unless of course it’s the best trailer park script ever
2311.95	” Nancy, I love that so much
2314.95	I mean, I’d be here for Drew playing a trailer park slit again
2318.05	Okay, so the the article does get into the early days of Flower Films, which was started in 1995
2322.85	It says, “With a laptop computer and a notebook full of phone numbers, and it says that um it mentions their 1996 RV trip, which we mentioned recently because there was some tidbit
2327.85	Do you remember what it was
2330.85	” >> Oh, yeah
2333.85	Um >> Oh, the pot
2336.85	leaving in a hotel room
2339.85	>> Oh, yeah
2342.85	That’s right
2345.85	In New Orleans
2348.85	So, she mentions that trip to the RV trip in 1986
2351.85	Um that that she took with Nancy and they would she said they would record ideas that they had like where are those tapes
2356.85	>> Oh my god
2359.85	>> Like they’re probably gone
2362.85	But how cool would that be to just have like them like >> like spewing their own ideas
2367.15	>> Flower Films archives
2370.15	I know who’s doing it
2373.15	We should be doing it
2376.15	But now we’re in 1998 and they are a full-fledged company
2379.15	At that time they had an all female staff and a projects in development and it’s kind of wild cuz like their first official production hadn’t even come out yet when this article was out
2384.15	It’s really neat
2387.15	>> Kind of cool
2390.15	>> Um the description of their offices love because we have been lucky enough to see this on mostly on MTV diary
2395.15	Um, so this description, their offices on Sunset Boulevard in West Hollywood are MTV meets romper room
2400.15	The walls painted yellow and green and midnight blue and decorated with photos and movie posters and an amusingly large 45 RPM record of Yellow Submarine
2405.15	And I went and was able to pull like a screen cap of it
2408.15	Um because there is that tiny little bit of like diary footage on YouTube and when they show it, Drew says she points to it and says because you have to have the Beatles everywhere
2413.15	I thought that was fun
2416.15	>> It’s really cute
2419.15	We love again like descriptions of spacesh why why do we love them so much
2422.85	because we love her and there’s always like fun details like you know I feel like this was making me think of like >> they were talking about her house in like 95 and how there were like rooms painted all these bright colors and like >> yes >> it’s just so Drew so anyway and we know that she’s made her offices fun like that was something that she did um >> so she notes that in September they had wrapped principal photography for never been kissed um the Fox executive vice president Kevin McCormack said three years that’s record time
2427.85	The deal works because Drew knows the audience she wants to reach
2431.10	And I love that like it says kind of after this that Courtney Love is quoted as saying Drew knows her face, which is so true
2436.10	Like she >> she knows the power of being Drew even though she doesn’t understand herself as Drew Barrymore
2441.10	>> That’s interesting
2444.10	What a weird life to be famous like that
2447.10	>> To be like so famous like to be iconic from the time you’re like Todd Gold said like iconic since Gertie
2452.10	Um, and then Nancy says, “When I first met her, I used to say she was an eight-year-old boy and a 40-year-old woman in the same body
2457.10	Now I see a mature young businesswoman who is not only looking after her own best interests, but also has a lot of serious people asking that she look after their best interests, too
2462.10	” And she’s doing it
2465.10	>> Hell yeah
2468.10	A little bit more about Never Been Kissed
2471.10	So, Fox originally wanted to cast a very stereotypically unattractive actress and Drew had tried to convince them that it’s not her appearance that makes her different from everyone else
2476.10	Um, and yeah, this is so silly because we know that when Drew was kind of dressing herself down to play Josie Gross, the the studio was like, “No, you can’t be like >> too far
2481.10	No, you can’t let you can’t do that to Drew Barrymore
2484.10	” >> God, it’s like you can’t satisfy them
2487.10	Um and then the um vice president Kevin McGormick, he said um Drew kept talking about a caterpillar who turns into a butterfly, which is a story she connects to
2492.10	Yeah, she does
2495.10	>> A that’s really cool
2498.10	I like that
2501.10	>> Yeah, it is
2504.10	>> I also like that she I mean Josie Grossy is definitely quote unquote like unattractively styled, but Josie Geller present day isn’t like >> horrible looking
2509.10	So I love that
2512.10	like Drew kind of >> awkward
2515.10	It’s not just that she looks a certain way
2518.10	So, she just like doesn’t get it
2521.10	She doesn’t know how to be cool
2524.10	>> She’s out of touch
2527.10	So, we get the usual rundown of the Barrymore history and how very young Drew followed in their footsteps with addictions, of course
2532.10	And you know where to go for more of that
2535.10	>> If you want to know more about that, >> go to our Patreon for our little girl loss breakdown
2539.85	[Laughter] >> Yeah, we have 16 exclusive episodes about how all that went down
2543.75	And then of course we get like the same old background on her parents
2547.20	Uh Jade taking her to clubs as a child
2550.20	I did like this little anecdote
2553.20	Yeah, me too
2556.20	Apparently, Gary Buucy, who was on the same party circuit, nicknamed Drew the Badger because she was shorter than everyone else, moved faster, and darted around close to the ground
2561.20	>> Gary Buucy
2564.20	>> I mean, Gary Buucy is is kind of a cook, so I love that
2567.20	So, as usual, Drew does not blame her parents for what happened
2570.35	This is a this is a constant
2573.35	Uh, she said her parents had problems of their own
2576.35	She said, “I learned early on that my family as far as my mother and father were not an option
2581.05	” Once again, like this is said explicitly in Little Girl Loss
2584.15	Like she has epiphany with her father, like he’s not he can’t be a father and then with her mother, she can’t be >> a mother
2589.15	Like >> crazy
2592.15	>> Um, she lists her hard air quotes godparents, Anna Strawber and Steven Spielberg
2596.30	And the reason I’m saying that is because people think that she was like born into this privilege and that she grew up with them
2601.30	That’s not that’s not the case
2604.30	They became honorary paternal and maternal figures in her life
2607.40	>> Um so she lists them as people who quote had dreams and saw them through but didn’t hurt people along the way
2612.40	And that was the greatest lesson
2615.40	You can make your destiny be this amazing entity but you don’t have to people over
2619.50	>> That’s so true
2622.50	Like that was a real life takeaway
2625.50	And then of course she like laughs about the story about Steven Spielberg covering up all her Playboy pictures with superimposed clothes
2630.50	She said she loved it because it was funny and fatherly but it didn’t make her feel bad like it wasn’t like guilting her
2635.50	>> Yeah, totally
2638.50	Um and then she has a lot of nice things about to say about co-stars that she had in the past
2643.15	So she’s adopted as family periodically
2646.15	Like she’s had many of these work families
2649.15	many um but she talked about Goldie Han and Whoopi Goldberg and then she talked about Jeff Bridges and I just liked the Jeff Bridges thing because it wasn’t so long ago that he was on the show and she >> Yes
2654.15	It was a very similar thing that she said to him, >> like paternal, like she was like she always felt like he was like fatherly
2659.15	So she said that he was so kind on the set like kept her grounded when it was a super strange time in her life and I hadn’t really really thought about like she was 13 >> and going through the New York club time for her
2664.15	So I’m glad I was like remembering right that like she they did talk about that kind of paternal thing and it was it was sweet
2669.15	It was kind of sweet to see them on the show and like >> it was really good one
2673.10	>> There was some tenderness
2676.10	But anyway, one of those many examples where Drew has like found sort of a fatherly figure, a family figure on a set
2681.10	>> Examples
2684.10	I think we want to do an episode on that eventually
2687.10	But anyways, as far as her actual biological parents at this point, she doesn’t see Jade by choice
2692.00	And John sometimes lives in an apartment above her garage, which is like exactly what she was just telling Bill Maher
2697.00	>> And that he was coming and going without her knowledge
2700.00	And she says, quote, “At times it’s painful, and at times I’m so at one with it
2703.95	And that’s taken me a lot of years
2706.95	It’s taken me a lot of therapy
2709.95	” Aka call back to Little Girl Lost
2712.95	So, I love that this next part is sort of like, why does this work
2716.25	Like, why is this girl so lovable and why is she not annoying
2719.30	Like, it could be annoying how she is, but she’s not
2722.30	She pulls it off
2725.30	So, it describes this is at one point Drew actually says to the author, “It’s nice when you get a cold
2730.30	It makes you appreciate being healthy so much
2733.30	” And I nod enthusiastically
2736.30	>> I like that
2739.30	Nod enthusiastically is italicized
2742.30	Like the author almost can’t believe that she’s like going along with this, >> right
2746.50	>> But it’s so true
2749.50	I’ve said that so many times
2752.50	I know I got it from this article, but it’s so true
2755.50	When you can freaking breathe after your nose is stuffed up, you’re just like, “Oh my god, what a gift
2760.50	” >> Well, I I feel like I think about that when I have like a foot or like a hand that hurts and I’m like, “Oh, I so like need this so much that it makes you appreciate like not having it suddenly
2765.50	” >> Totally
2768.50	Anyway, um the home price director Dean Pariso thinks it’s because he says Drew genuinely likes people
2773.50	She looks at you and finds something that she likes rather than something she doesn’t
2777.75	>> That’s so true
2780.75	Even to this day, like sometimes she has people on her show where I’m like they’re a little problematic or whatever and she like has nothing but positive things
2785.75	And then we get this really great part from Courtney Love
2788.75	So, she says she loves that Drew is self-made and makes it makes Courtney appreciate the simpler things in life
2793.75	And then here’s this great story
2796.75	It says, “One night, love threw open Barry Moore’s closet, surveyed its jumbled, shiny, floaty, floral, and butterfied contents and said, “This has got to stop
2801.75	I can get you fabulous gowns, anything you want
2804.75	” Barrymore said, “I don’t want any gowns as long as I wear flowers in my hair
2808.65	” And Love said, “But Drew, then you don’t get the best dress
2811.70	” Yes, Barrymore replied
2814.70	But you get the best soul
2817.70	That is so like I feel like in certain instances if someone said it, I’d be like, “Oh god
2822.15	” But I’m like, “Yes, >> that’s the author’s point though
2825.15	Like why are we not annoyed by this
2828.15	It’s so loveydvey golden ball of love
2831.15	” But it’s like amazing
2834.15	>> It is her
2837.15	That’s like somehow that actually is her
2840.15	So, we mentioned there’s a Drew love segment, but we got to get into the Drew hate segment, which comes first
2845.15	So, >> I hate it, right
2848.15	>> We love when Drew hates, >> right
2851.15	So, here we go
2854.15	So, this uh we’ve got flies
2857.15	She said they come and vomit on your food
2860.15	And by the way, they’re probably just sitting on a steaming pile of poo
2863.70	>> I hate flies, too
2866.70	>> I mean, yeah, when you think about that, for sure
2869.70	And then she hates being angry
2872.70	She says it’s a real waste of time
2875.70	Uh she hates when people talk
2878.70	And she hates when toilet paper comes off of a roll one square at a time
2882.30	And she says you can’t do anything with it
2885.30	I can so see her saying all of this
2888.30	So we’re going to jump into Drew Loves
2891.30	>> I love love
2894.30	>> All right
2897.30	Secondary Drew Love section
2900.30	Drew loves macaroni and cheese, sleeping late, watching movies in bed while eating macaroni and cheese
2905.30	The Otis reading song, That’s how strong my love is
2908.30	Children, quote, I long to have a family, she says
2911.30	Therapy, making up words
2914.30	And here are some examples
2917.30	Karmatic, horrification, and questionative
2920.30	She loves taking long drives and sticking her head out of the window like a dog
2924.25	>> Of course she does
2927.25	And she loves telling people that they have food caught between their teeth or gunk in their eye
2932.05	Quote, “You have to tell the person
2935.05	Don’t leave them hanging that way
2938.05	It’s just human stuff
2941.05	There’s nothing gross or wrong with it
2944.05	You’ve got to watch each other’s back
2947.05	” Passionate
2950.05	Very passionate
2953.05	So, we’re there’s some more lovey lovey guys, you know what she loves more than anything
2957.45	>> I love love love
2960.45	>> So, specifically about Luke, Luke Wilson
2963.45	Um, he’s the greatest person I’ve ever met
2966.45	Everything I do, I think about how it affects him
2969.45	>> And the the article says that Wilson is a nice guy
2972.45	People say calm, understanding, reliable, and says he’s good for Barrymore
2976.15	>> Oh, he really was
2979.15	And uh there’s another quote from Luke
2982.15	It says, “I just asked her out
2985.15	It just seemed natural
2988.15	She makes you feel that at ease
2991.15	She makes so much of an effort in her dealings with people
2994.15	She’s so smart and funny and ready to laugh
2997.15	She has a way of making you forget all the stuff you may have heard or read about her
3001.40	” >> Oh, that’s so true
3004.40	Um and then there’s a little more tidbit here
3007.40	So, it says, “Drew will be spending her third Christmas with Luke’s family in Texas
3011.55	” And Luke talks about how nervous she was the first time
3014.55	And he said, “I remember thinking, how could this, if all things make you nervous, and then I realized maybe she wasn’t used to this
3019.55	Maybe it made her think about her own family, and she loved it, but it also made her a little sad
3024.40	” And I just I mean there’s all that that’s like you know she like had that kind of healing thing with like Luke’s family and then I feel NY’s family right there was >> I mean Eric’s family before that like true >> this is a pattern for her Tom’s family later Will’s family later
3029.40	>> That’s true
3032.40	I mean I I like to picture in this case like Drew hanging out with like Luke Wilson and then her his brothers like Owen and Andrew like at Christmas time
3037.40	It’s kind of funny because the article doesn’t talk about he also has these brothers
3041.60	I also remember her talking about being at I think it was the first Thanksgiving with his family and she was so nervous that she was holding a plate of food and accidentally it >> No, she was holding it like close to her chest and ended up getting it all over her shirt
3046.60	>> That sounds familiar
3049.60	>> That’s so like classic Drew, right
3052.60	So, we get into truth’s kind of like agelessness, which is some a theme of the podcast for sure
3057.35	We talk about con totally
3060.35	>> So, there is mention of her emancipation
3063.35	It literally says at age 15, thank you
3066.35	Just backing up my research from last episode
3069.35	>> And Drew says, quote, “The judge said he couldn’t turn back the clock
3072.95	He could only turn it forward
3075.95	” I remember thinking, “Thank God
3078.95	I don’t want to go back there
3081.95	I just knew I am all of my responsibility and I liked that feeling which is pretty cool
3086.30	And then her longtime friend Justine Badley said of Drew
3089.30	Drew has always been not older than her years but the right age in Drew years
3093.15	It’s like dog years
3096.15	It says she was the same person she is now when she was 13
3099.15	The same great values
3102.15	Lately she’s just let go of the less useful ones
3105.15	>> That’s really cool
3108.15	Yeah, it is
3111.15	And I I also wondered the same thing because uh Justine says that she’s 12 years older than Drew
3115.95	>> And they we know they’ve known each other since Drew was a teenager
3119.45	So, I don’t think I realized that she was like basically twice her age maybe when they met
3123.95	That’s >> really interesting
3126.95	I would love to know the story there
3129.95	Later on, if you guys don’t know, she would go on to become a casting director of a lot of Flower Films movies, which is really neat
3134.95	>> Um, okay, then
3137.95	I love this part
3140.95	>> So, we’re talking about Drew’s house
3143.95	It says it’s her first
3146.95	She bought her first home, but I’m like, that’s not true because we know you just mentioned the one on Martell from 1995 and the beautiful description
3151.95	>> Yeah, the one that had all the painted walls
3154.95	>> Yeah, that’s okay
3157.95	Okay, so we’re talking about the house on Cherokee Lane
3160.95	This is the one that sadly would later burn down
3163.95	We It’s funny, we were just talking about this, too, because Bill Maher like owns that property now
3168.90	>> So, it says that she got this house after some time hopping around between hotels and short-term rentals
3173.90	So that’s kind of wild
3176.90	Like what h why wasn’t she just living in Martell
3179.90	>> Yeah, good question
3182.90	>> So here’s this fantastic description of this house
3185.90	And if you guys, you probably seen a little bit of this house because it was featured in InStyle
3190.70	It had done a whole feature on it in 1999, which we have an episode about that too, actually
3195.30	>> Yes, we do
3198.30	>> So it says it’s a solar heated recycled cedar treehouse of a house in Cold Water Canyon
3202.80	>> The ceilings are high
3205.80	The windows are always open
3208.80	Recycled water circulates outside for the local fauna and the profusion of citrus trees and frondy flora
3213.80	There’s a tiki bar deck with a thatched roof, a sunken yoga studio, a screening room with comfy sectional sofas
3218.80	So, at least we know the screening room and the yoga studio and the tiki bar all still exist
3223.40	Those didn’t burn down
3226.40	At least there’s that
3229.40	>> That’s true
3232.40	>> Thanks, Bill
3235.40	And this is neat
3238.40	We’ve got like quotes from other people about her home
3241.40	It is fun that that this this um author Joanna like went and kind of like you said like talked to people about her
3246.40	>> So Nancy said about the house
3249.40	It sounds opulent, but it’s not the le it’s not the least bit fancy
3252.75	It’s very home sweet home
3255.75	It’s the kind of place where cobwebs look beautiful
3258.75	That’s totally how I always imagined it
3261.75	>> I love it
3264.75	And then it says Luke’s favorite room is the kitchen
3267.75	There’s a junky old boom box and daisies
3270.75	Always lots of daisies
3273.75	It says Drew is a good cook, which is kind of a funny thing
3276.75	So, Drew is never considered a good cook, especially then
3279.75	Anyway, totally
3282.75	>> He says, “If you’re hungry, she’ll make you something
3285.75	” Which to me is a good cook
3288.75	>> And that’s so funny because when he was recently on the Drew Barrymore show, she’s like, “What is like your favorite memory of our time together
3293.75	” And he says he loved that she would make her I think it was breakfast tacos
3297.60	And I remember when he said that also thinking like, “Oh, I thought she like didn’t really cook back then
3302.60	” So that must have really had an impact on Luke
3305.60	He must have really liked those burritos or tacos
3308.60	But yeah, it’s kind of funny
3311.60	So then there’s like this kind of random pivot where Drew says that some of her friends from her teen years are either dead or hooked on drugs
3316.60	And I was, it’s kind of funny because I remember when we talked to Todd Gold, he was sort of saying, I wonder what happened to these other kids that she was with
3321.60	There we go
3324.60	And Drew says, quote, “And they find this glamour in self-sabotage
3327.90	It confuses me to no end
3330.90	I don’t see the glory in it
3333.90	I just see the sadness
3336.90	” >> Which is really sweet
3339.90	Um, so she says that when she was younger, she was always like looking for the fun, which I mean that’s exactly what Little Girl Lost is about
3344.90	But now she can just make fun in everything that she does
3347.90	So I love that she says >> I could be standing in a taco line and I’m like and then the author says here she mimics grinding her hips and singonging
3352.90	I’m getting a taco
3355.90	I’m getting a taco
3358.90	Next she mimics meeting someone’s eye being caught out
3361.90	I guess I’m excited
3364.90	You know, I used to make fun of adults that I thought were dorks
3368.10	If I saw a guy singing I’m getting a taco, I’d be like what a dork
3371.40	Now I’m that guy and I’m loving it
3374.40	So watch out because whatever you make fun of is gonna come and bite you in the ass
3378.55	I can totally like >> Oh, >> she dances about food on her show all the time
3382.30	Like it’s so cute
3385.30	It’s so cute
3388.30	>> Shaking her butt maybe a little bit
3391.30	It’s like making my cheeks hurt
3394.30	It’s so cute
3397.30	Okay, so now we’re going to get into some of the recent films um at the time
3401.10	So the author writes about her um recent film choices that seemed like kind of all over the map, but at this it says, “But at the center of each is the same beating heart, Barrymore, playing a good woman who insists upon seeing the good in others playing that is herself
3406.10	” >> That’s sweet
3409.10	>> It’s sweet because because she talks about like admiring some of these characters when like Yeah
3414.05	It’s like the kindness of her that works
3417.05	Um, it says that even though her characters are often disappointed by life, they remain optimistic and look for the good
3422.05	That’s such a cool like throughine to see
3425.05	Like the article does like get into which examples they’re talking about, but it it’s really very true
3430.05	Like >> most of her characters have something that’s I mean it’s a movie, right
3434.00	So there’s going to be like obstacles or things they have to overcome, but her characters always are like optimistic and persevering
3439.00	She had had like a kind of a trend of these especially at this time, right
3442.70	>> So, the author tells Drew that many of these films seem to be about forgiveness and Drew strongly agrees with this
3447.70	She says, quote, “I don’t know who or what I would be forgiving, and maybe it’s myself
3452.00	I’m always trying to not be so hard on myself
3455.00	Take a drink for that, too, guys
3458.00	” But I don’t feel any awkwardness or bitterness towards my life
3461.20	And I really like playing characters who feel that way, who aren’t burdened by what’s existed in their past and know how to make their pain into their strength
3466.20	Oh my god, that’s like 100% her
3469.20	>> Making her pain into her strength is 100% what she’s done
3472.20	>> Um, she it says she understands that life will always include pain and thinks we should get into it and feel it
3477.20	She said, “But I want us all to be able to get past it
3480.20	Do you want to lug a 40 lb suitcase of steaming stinking around all day or do you want to kick the bag and get rid of it
3485.20	>> Kick the bag, man
3488.20	We know that comes from her dad
3491.20	I don’t think I knew that like back in the day, but she’s talked about it since
3495.15	It’s so funny
3498.15	And then the um author says she throws a handful of sushi ginger into her mouth energetically as she chews
3503.15	I don’t want to be a stinky poo poo girl
3506.15	I want to be a happy flower child
3509.15	I believe you can be the person you dream of being
3512.15	>> That was definitely like an off quoted on like old fan sites that was like always under quotes
3517.00	>> I don’t want to be a stinky poo poo girl
3520.00	Um then we’re getting to the end of the article, guys
3523.00	So, they kind of wrap up by talking about dreams
3526.00	So, Drew had recently had a dream that she was the fifth Spice Girl
3529.35	And in case that’s confusing, this was after Ginger Spice had left the group
3533.15	So, there were only four at the time
3536.15	And in the dream, she was panicking because she didn’t know any of the songs or dances, which is like just cracks me up
3541.15	I could totally see that
3544.15	She admits that she’s an insomniac, but she loves dreaming
3547.15	And she does have very good reoccurring dreams about dolphins, which I thought was fun
3551.45	And then I was thinking there’s like pictures of her when they were doing 51st Dates where she’s at like a swimming with the dolphins thing, right
3556.45	I’ll have to pull that
3559.45	>> I that sounds familiar
3562.45	I couldn’t remember the timeline, but I totally can picture the the pictures of it
3566.55	>> It’s like a dream come true for her
3569.55	That’s so cool
3572.55	And she says in her very favorite dream, she jumps off tall buildings and lands softly
3576.85	She says, “Oh, I love those
3579.85	” She said, “I jumped off the Empire State Building in a dream
3582.95	” And says, “And landed softly
3585.95	Barrymore smiles
3588.95	It was beautifific
3591.95	I love that
3594.95	But yeah, that’s crazy to me because that’s the kind of dream that would like I would hate hate it falling off a building
3599.95	No, thank you
3602.95	But like >> I think most people associate those with like really scary, you know, like >> but that’s so true to like she has that adventurous spirit, right
3607.95	>> Yeah, that’s true
3610.95	>> That’s true Drew
3613.95	>> True Drew
3616.95	[Music] So, that’s the article, but we’re not done
3619.95	We are not done
3622.95	There’s a little bit more
3625.95	So, in the in January of 1999, the letters to the editor included feedback about this issue
3630.50	So, we’re going to get into this a little bit
3633.50	>> So sweet
3636.50	>> Because these are our kind comments this week, guys
3639.50	This is really fun
3642.50	Um, and the first one, >> this is really special
3645.50	The first one printed in this magazine is from the original Droovy Queen, our friend Missy, who started the fan sites where Ann and I met and the Grapevine message board
3650.50	So, and this is such a like Missy >> thing to write
3653.50	Okay, >> so Missy writes, “Drew Barrymore is the purest, yummiest, most lung soothing breath of fresh air in Hollywood, and your recent cover story proves it
3658.50	Thank you for publishing such an eloquent and honest interview
3661.60	It moved me to tears right there in the store
3664.60	>> Oh, I love it so much
3667.60	>> So, if you guys know Missy, that is so Missy
3670.60	>> Yeah, like the the yummiest, most lung soothing breath of fresh air in Hollywood
3674.75	It’s so perfect
3677.75	Um, and we should read more, right
3680.75	Like see how other people reacted
3683.75	Let’s read them all
3686.75	>> Okay, so it says, “Thanks to writer Joanna Schneller for highlighting Drew Barrymore as the beautifific person she is that she is
3691.75	Most interviews I have read focus on the Barrymore quote unquote curse and Drew’s troubled past
3696.50	It is only when she speaks that you realize she is living proof that everything happens for a reason
3701.50	Your interview oozes positive energy and illustrates the very essence of who Drew Barrymore is
3706.20	And this was written in by Annie Kenny from Long Beach, California
3709.50	I love that these are all positive, too
3712.50	>> Um, okay
3715.50	So Mike Powell who sent an email from p_b1hotmail
3718.50	I just love that there’s like email addresses
3721.50	This is like the beginning of that
3724.50	So >> and this is Chris Mystery
3727.50	Which I remember that being like her sort of identity online
3730.50	So Mike says, “From ET to Poison Ivy to The Wedding Singer, Drew Barrymore has always impressed me
3735.40	She’s an actress of unmistakable talent and unmatched beauty
3738.40	I’m glad she’s hitting new heights of popularity
3741.40	She sure was at this time
3744.40	This was like >> Renaissance
3747.40	He’s so right
3750.40	>> That’s great
3753.40	Okay, we’ve got two more, guys
3756.40	So, Rosa Linda Linder
3759.40	Rosalinda Linder from Viejo, California
3762.40	She said, “Miss Barrymore has flown from her crippling cocoon to share her cheerful and charming inner beauty in a time when so many are jaded or spiritless
3767.40	Kudos to us for documenting The Beautiful Butterfly
3770.40	>> Wow, >> these are really nice
3773.40	>> Yeah, they are
3776.40	Like I I read them beforehand, but I kind of forgot how good they are
3779.85	>> I hadn’t reread them in a while
3782.85	And then our final one is from Stephanie Herell from Seami Valley, California
3786.70	Stephanie said, “Drew has a light inside her
3789.70	” Take a drink
3792.70	Drew has a light inside her that shines even in print
3795.70	Her optimism and genuine love for the simple pleasures in life make me want to throw my arms around her and give her a big squeeze
3800.70	>> A I’m glad it doesn’t say her love for the simple pleasures in life made me want to throw up >> again
3805.70	Like Joanna the writer
3808.70	Why is this working
3811.70	Why am I agreeing with her
3814.70	This is supposed to be annoying
3817.70	And yeah, like we we love that Missy popped up in this
3820.70	Like I remember like I I remember getting this later, getting the clipping later and being so like happy to have like something that Missy wrote in about Drew in my Drew collection
3825.70	>> You see my little handwritten handdrawn rectangle I put around her name with with a gel pen
3830.40	Remember those gel pens
3833.40	The sparkly gel pens
3836.40	>> It’s sparkly
3839.40	>> Why did I do that
3842.40	because we wanted to highlight it in a, >> you know, just like how with the article, we we didn’t want that pesky handwriting to be distracting us
3847.40	We wanted to cut out Drew hanging from those bars
3850.40	Yeah, exactly
3853.40	So, before we wrap things up, we just want to give a little heads up
3856.80	We have told you guys that we’re going to appear on a show called Collector’s Call and it is about us and our Drew Barrymore collection, the Drew
3861.80	So, that is slated to air on ME TV on October 12th, right
3864.80	Is that the right date
3867.80	Yeah, it’s a Sunday
3870.80	>> So, um before we come on here again, it’ll have aired
3873.80	So, they told us not to officially announce it yet
3876.80	Like, we’re not putting it on social media yet, but if you’re here, you and you stayed to the end, you get to know
3881.80	And please watch out for that and we’ll keep you posted
3884.80	>> Yeah, we will because and we’ll be talking about it
3887.80	Yeah, we’re gonna talk about on our next episode because it was like quite an experience that it’s just >> We’ll get into it, guys
3892.80	We’ll get into it
3895.80	>> We’ll get into it and we’re looking forward to more people like knowing about our little our little Drewberrymore museum, the Drew
3900.80	>> There could be people who are coming and listening to this episode because they watched the episode of Collector’s Call
3905.80	>> That’s very true
3908.80	If you’re here because of that, welcome
3911.80	And thank you for being here
3914.80	And if you liked this episode, you could rate, review, subscribe, all that stuff
3918.80	Wherever you’re listening to us, give us some feedback
3921.80	You can also find us on Instagram at How Do You Drew Pod
3924.80	And also at Drewm um on How Do You Drew Pod Instagram today
3927.80	I put up some movies that I think you should watch during October
3931.05	Some Drew movies
3934.05	It was pretty fun to curate that
3937.05	Um you can also now leave comments on episodes on Spotify
3940.05	So, if you just found us and you thought we were fun and cool and you want to leave positive letters to the editor like everyone did about Drew’s article, go do that
3945.05	Um, and please visit our website at howdydrew
3948.05	com to see the episode gallery for this episode and every episode
3951.30	And peruse the DSM while you’re at it
3954.30	Make sure you check out our Drew Barrymore Museum, especially if you’re here from Collector’s Call
3959.20	Hopefully, you’ve already kind of checked it out
3962.20	Well, you know what’s wild is like whatever you’re seeing on collector’s call is like a tiny little drop in the bucket of our collection
3967.20	And we’ll tell you why, but there’s so much more, guys
3970.20	There’s so much more than what they’re going to show
3973.20	>> It’s kind of >> wild
3976.20	>> How could anyone ever understand the breadth of it
3979.20	So, also, we’ve mentioned a couple times, but sign up for our Patreon
3982.65	comrew >> where we have covered little girl lost in its entirety and we are hoping to dive into Wildflower next
3987.65	So there’s tons of content up there and there’s more to come
3990.65	And don’t forget to send listener mail to howdygmail
3993.65	com or reach out out to us on any of those other platforms
3996.65	We are listening
3999.65	>> You’re listening and we’re excited if you’re just finding us
4002.80	>> Yeah, totally
4005.80	Um, and thank you for being here and we’ll see you all next Tuesday
4009.15	[Music] >> This episode of the How Do You Drew podcast was researched and produced by Ashley and Anne from the
4014.15	com with help from our sponsor positive medium
4017.15	Special thanks to Matt Costa for our lovely theme song, Roxy Prima for our adorable logo, and last but not least, Drew Barrymore and all the Drewies who love her
4022.15	We do this for you
4025.15	>> Thank you

Episode 065 - Babes in Toyland - Transcript

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Ashley (22s):
All right. Hello and welcome to How Do You Drew.

Anne (25s):
This is A Drew Barrymore Podcast, brought to you by thedrewseum.com

Ashley (28s):
And sponsored by our friends at Positive Medium.

Anne (31s):
I’m Anne.

Ashley (32s):
And I’m Ashley.

Anne (34s):
And hello, welcome to episode 65,

Ashley (38s):
Our Christmas episode, if you will.

Anne (40s):
Yes. Merry Christmas

Ashley (41s):
Y’all. And final episode of 2023. Yes.

Anne (47s):
That’s pretty exciting. Also weird that the year’s over

Ashley (51s):
Crazy. Oh my God, I can’t believe it. Yeah. So we are gonna take a break. It could be one week, it could be two. We’ll let you know. Just stay tuned. Yeah, stay

Anne (58s):
Tuned. Stay tuned. Watch our social needs. You know where to find the info. Social

Ashley (1m 2s):
Needs. Yeah, all your social mead needs. How, Do, You, Drew Pod on Instagram. We’ll tell you there.

Anne (1m 7s):
Yes. Don’t forget to check that out. Anyway, all the time, every day of your life.

Ashley (1m 11s):
You could also go check out our Patreon. We have a new member there. We wanna give a shout out to Angela. Thank you so much.

Anne (1m 18s):
Thank you, Angela. We are so excited. Our little community over on Patreon’s growing a little bit at a time. So Yes, go check us out there.

Ashley (1m 28s):
I had some ideas for what we were gonna offer and we never talked about it. We’ll get there. I promise guys. I promise. Yes.

Anne (1m 35s):
Yes. I feel like one thing we talked about that we can maybe tease here a little bit is like possibly movie watch throughs. Yes. It would be really funny to have done it for this one, but we’ll get into why this movie’s so entertaining and let’s talk about something really exciting in our follow-up section here. Well, is this a follow-up? Is this something just more than that than we

Ashley (1m 55s):
May make a new segment. We haven’t come up with a good name yet. Yes. And we’re hoping this happens frequently, but we have another comment from Drew on our Instagram at Drew Zm.

Anne (2m 5s):
So amazing. So amazing.

Ashley (2m 9s):
So I posted four of our really cool four by six photographs that we have in our collection of Drew at the Batman forever premiere in 1995. Of course she has that classic look with the two slips and then little Daisy in her hair and she commented last night to tell us a little bit more about it.

Anne (2m 27s):
So crazy. So Drew Barrymore left this comment at, I bought those slips at Frederick’s of Hollywood and put one on top of the other and threw on a pair of platforms for my closet and went to the premier. I wasn’t at that place where anyone dressed me, so I dressed myself for about $50 and I love the carefree style to this day.

Ashley (2m 46s):
Yes. So do we.

Anne (2m 48s):
So do we.

Ashley (2m 50s):
I mean, this is not an important, I’m not being like drill, you’re wrong. This isn’t one of those that I’m doing. But she told Courtney Love on film in 1995 that she got the, the Slips at Playmates, which is like, kind of like a stripper store in Hollywood.

Anne (3m 4s):
Okay.

Ashley (3m 5s):
Just a quick way of putting it. So whether it was Frederick’s or Playmates is not like that different. And also it was almost 30 years ago. So Yes. Whether she had it wrong then or now, it doesn’t really matter. Yeah. The, the general vibe is correct.

Anne (3m 17s):
Absolutely. And we are so honored that

Ashley (3m 19s):
Oh my God,

Anne (3m 20s):
That she’s like engaging with our content. Yeah. Like, I mean we’re just so thrilled.

Ashley (3m 24s):
So the dream we like manifested the shit out of that happening.

Anne (3m 28s):
Yes, absolutely. And Drew, if you’re somehow listening, hi, we love you. Hi. Hi. Could you imagine? Hi, I love

Ashley (3m 35s):
Your movie. Hi.

Anne (3m 37s):
Okay, so what kind of follow ups do we have?

Ashley (3m 40s):
So I haven’t watched this yet, but I saw a note about it and I just wanna mention it. Apparently when Gary Oldman was on the Drew Barrymore show this week, she talked about her 2001 house fire.

Anne (3m 51s):
Okay.

Ashley (3m 52s):
And this one just killed me. She said that one of the items that she lost in that fire was her childhood passport, which had all the stamps of everywhere she’d been. And since we were just talking last week about her 1982 when she traveled all over for et, it made me think of that.

Anne (4m 7s):
And I would die to see her passport.

Ashley (4m 10s):
Oh, I know.

Anne (4m 11s):
Oh my. Brutal. My God.

Ashley (4m 13s):
I know. It made me really sad.

Anne (4m 14s):
It’s like Drew, do you have any pictures of it? She probably doesn’t because you wouldn’t think you were gonna lose that. That was like, that’s part of her archive. Yeah. Well you know what this is, we have to make note of like that there was part of the feature collection that’s missing because of a fire. Oh.

Ashley (4m 28s):
Imagine having that item in the, like the Drew Museum one day, but it’s gone forever.

Anne (4m 33s):
Oof. Oh, that’s heartbreaking.

Ashley (4m 35s):
Okay. That, that was upsetting. Sorry.

Anne (4m 37s):
Alright, well I, I just, you know, I’m giving up now, but let’s get to happier things. Okay. What did Drew proclaim her love for this past week? I love, love. We

Ashley (4m 47s):
Got some good ones this week. She was on a roll.

Anne (4m 49s):
Let’s hear it.

Ashley (4m 50s):
All right. Drew loves slumber parties.

Anne (4m 53s):
Ooh. Like one we just had

Ashley (4m 55s):
And yeah. And also someone said that she was like a, like they reminded her of a sleepover because of the last thing in dancing. We’ve mentioned that last week.

Anne (5m 4s):
Yeah, absolutely. Okay. What else? What else does she love?

Ashley (5m 8s):
Drew loves QVC. She also loves five below the store. And she probably said that four times on the show last week. ’cause they kept giving money to Drew gooders. I love Five Below.

Anne (5m 20s):
What is five Below?

Ashley (5m 21s):
It’s like a dollar store, but kind of more aimed towards teenagers maybe.

Anne (5m 26s):
Oh, that’s cool. All right. What else?

Ashley (5m 29s):
He also loves grilled fruit.

Anne (5m 31s):
Ooh, I like a grilled pineapple.

Ashley (5m 33s):
Oh, okay.

Anne (5m 34s):
And peach.

Ashley (5m 35s):
Yeah. They were talking about peaches. Blackberries

Anne (5m 38s):
Mm.

Ashley (5m 39s):
A good nut.

Anne (5m 41s):
You’re getting on board with that. I’ve always been a good nut person. Drew, you’re a nut.

Ashley (5m 47s):
She’s, she really is. Drew loves silicone.

Anne (5m 50s):
Hmm. Okay. Me too actually.

Ashley (5m 51s):
Popcorn? Yes.

Anne (5m 53s):
Hmm. I was just eating some last night and going, why don’t I eat this every day?

Ashley (5m 57s):
Oh, all the time. I know. Okay. Okay. Drew loves highlighting cities. She loves Mr. T.

Anne (6m 3s):
Aw,

Ashley (6m 4s):
When she said that, she’s like, and I mean it like I actually love Mr. T. Like I knew him.

Anne (6m 8s):
Did they show a picture?

Ashley (6m 10s):
Yes they did.

Anne (6m 11s):
Okay, good, good, good. Okay. What else?

Ashley (6m 13s):
She loves a 50 50, which is an ice cream treat. Like half, I think it’s like half slushy, half ice cream or

Anne (6m 19s):
Something. Does she like ice cream now?

Ashley (6m 21s):
Oh, I guess so.

Anne (6m 23s):
Okay. What else?

Ashley (6m 24s):
She also loves a viewing party. Okay. And one more Berry. Raspberries. Yes.

Anne (6m 30s):
Hmm.

Ashley (6m 31s):
I know.

Anne (6m 32s):
Now I want some grilled fruit and then a side of blackberries and raspberries and popcorn.

Ashley (6m 37s):
Yeah, popcorn. Totally

Anne (6m 38s):
Fake at a slum party while watching a movie.

Ashley (6m 41s):
Perfect. How about while watching this wonderful film, Babes in Toyland, we’re gonna get into,

Anne (6m 46s):
I mean here we are. Okay, so let’s get into our, you’ve got male segment,

3 (6m 53s):
You’ve got mail.

Ashley (6m 55s):
So as we mentioned last episode, we’re trying to catch up on some of the international reviews that people have left for us on Apple that you can’t necessarily see in the US unless you kind of go sneakily about it. So this one comes from our amazing fronts. Hi. Who is a long time Drewbie friend. If you heard her on our hairstyles episode, right? Number 57 7. Yep. Yeah. You know that Tess is awesome and here’s just more proof of that.

Anne (7m 23s):
Yeah. So the title is Essential for Drew Barrymore fans. First of all, great title. Love

Ashley (7m 28s):
It. That’s exactly what we aim to be.

Anne (7m 30s):
Yes. And Tess said, if you love the shiny happy daisy, that is Drew Barrymore. This podcast is for you. Drew archivists, Ash and Ann from the Drew have an encyclopedic knowledge about all things Drew. Their true friendship shines through every episode and they exude the kindness, friendliness, and all around happiness that Drew puts out into the world.

Ashley (7m 49s):
Perfection. Thank you Tess.

Anne (7m 51s):
Yes, thank you. Thank you. I feel like we need to put testimonials on our website now and that’s gonna be one of them. We,

Ashley (7m 56s):
We already have that Anne,

Anne (7m 57s):
Do we? Yeah. Cool. Cool. I’m so glad that we have a testimonial section on the website to add this to and I

Ashley (8m 4s):
Think I already did.

Anne (8m 5s):
Thank you so much Tess. That is so kind. And we love you.

Ashley (8m 9s):
We do.

Anne (8m 10s):
Okay. What do we have for this weekend for history?

Ashley (8m 13s):
How about this one? December 22nd, 2007, Nancy Javon and Jimmy Fallon got married. Oh,

Anne (8m 21s):
Oh

Ashley (8m 21s):
Yeah. So apparently they got married on Richard Branson’s Island. It’s called Necker Island in the British Virgin Island.

Anne (8m 30s):
Okay. I

Ashley (8m 30s):
Know, here’s a little story about it from Nancy. She said we got this place for three days. So Jimmy goes, what if we got married in three weeks instead of next summer? And I’m like, this is the best idea of all human time. It’s a very Drew like thing to say. Yeah. So we had 12 people at our wedding. I just got dressed, done as fast as I could, we didn’t care. Ah. So it was very small as they said. There was a photo that they gave to People magazine with the whole crew that was there. So obviously Drew was in attendance. Justin Long was her date. They were dating at the time. And Nancy’s former assistant and longtime flower film staffer. Gwen Stroman was also there. Yeah. But no, Chris Miller, which I find so surprising.

Ashley (9m 12s):
Oh, maybe he couldn’t go. It is a really cool photo. Drew’s wearing like some interesting long silvery dress I’ve never seen before. Would love to see more photos, but we just have the one. Also though this crew, I think a couple days before the wedding they went to another island in the Virgin Islands called Guan. Okay. And they left like a really cool note Nancy and Jimmy did, and then a photo of the four of them. So Jimmy, Nancy, Drew and Justin. Oh. And I think like somebody vacationed there and then took pictures of these and posted them on Flicker. I think that’s how we saw them. That

Anne (9m 47s):
Makes sense.

Ashley (9m 48s):
They were like in the hotel or something. How

Anne (9m 51s):
Cute. Is there anything noteworthy we wanna mention from the note

Ashley (9m 54s):
Basically? Yeah, it’s kind of interesting. So I think Nancy wrote this and she said We highly recommend the pre-breakfast Wild Bore

Anne (10m 2s):
Wild as well

Ashley (10m 4s):
As shark jumping,

Anne (10m 5s):
Which we’re sure will be taken off the event list by the next year. Godspeed to Jason and April’s quick recovery. I know, I’m like, is this a joke?

Ashley (10m 13s):
And then something about a bat cave. I dunno.

Anne (10m 16s):
Oh, this sounds awesome. I hope Drew was there for all that.

Ashley (10m 19s):
I I think she probably was based on the photo. I love the photo of the four of them. I think it’s so cute.

Anne (10m 23s):
So sweet. That’s the one I always think of. I kind of forget about the like entire wedding. Yeah, the wedding one. Yeah. Yeah. It’s so cute. I love that Drew and Justin both have flowers in their hair. Aw, it’s so, oh, so does, so does Nancy.

Ashley (10m 35s):
Nancy and Jimmy looks, looks like he has one in his pocket.

Anne (10m 38s):
Oh yes he does.

Ashley (10m 40s):
So we’ll share these. They’re really fun if you’ve never seen them. This is cute.

Anne (10m 43s):
And I love this pole. Yeah. Thought it was a

Ashley (10m 45s):
Unique

Anne (10m 46s):
One. Yeah. Really cute. Okay, so it looks like there’s nothing new with Drew. Yeah.

Ashley (10m 52s):
Wait, wait. She went to the Madonna concert, she posted about that. Oh yes

Anne (10m 56s):
She did.

Ashley (10m 57s):
Okay. And that’s that, that’s

Anne (10m 59s):
That.

Ashley (10m 59s):
She’s always loved Madonna though. I always feel like she’s looked to her as like someone who’s ever changing and that was like an inspirational to Drew.

Anne (11m 7s):
Yeah, absolutely. It would be kind of fun to see if like we could start tracking like when she’s mentioned Madonna. Oh

Ashley (11m 12s):
Yeah. Remember that bizarre 1996 article? She mentions her like three times. If you guys wanna see that, that’s way back in our episode. Like 11 or something.

Anne (11m 21s):
Good memory. Yeah. How do Drewbie Drewbie

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Anne (12m 59s):
Hey, so are you ready to just dive into this gem of a film 1980 six’s TV movie Babes in Toyland?

Ashley (13m 7s):
Let’s go to Drew and her co-star. Keanu Reeves. Introduce it for us obscure masterpiece. Obs

4 (13m 13s):
Babes in Toyland.

0 (13m 15s):
Sometimes obscurity is good.

Ashley (13m 17s):
Well said guy. As well said. So, okay. I just wanna say, I know there are people who have like a weird love nostalgia for this movie. I did not watch this growing up, so I cannot relate. I think maybe if you have those kind of rose colored glasses on it, maybe you view it differently. I think this is a horrible movie, but horrible in a, in a mildly entertaining way. Like it’s kind of fun to hate watch.

Anne (13m 40s):
Yeah. Oh for sure. Like when we start, when we turned it on, we were talking about, Jared and I were talking about doing like mystery science, theater treatment. Oh

Ashley (13m 48s):
Totally.

Anne (13m 48s):
Yeah. It’s totally perfect for

Ashley (13m 50s):
That. I am gonna say most of my notes are not the nicest or the most positive and usually I’m a positive person. But as I was watching it I was just like, oh my God.

Anne (13m 59s):
Yeah. We’re gonna be laughing through this whole episode though. So there’s joy that comes out of it.

Ashley (14m 3s):
There is another thing I wanna note though. If you do want to have some like fun Drew Christmas maybe like something that’s actually enjoyable and delightful and funny and cute and sweet, go watch all of the other reindeer. It’s much better. And then you can listen to our episode from last Christmas about that one

Anne (14m 23s):
Good call. So that’s a good way to steer people in the direction of more cute Drew Drew’s. Drew’s cute in this In a really interesting way. Yeah, in a different way. Yeah. Let’s, let’s, before we jump into Drew’s, you know cuteness, let’s read the IMDB summary for this film.

Ashley (14m 40s):
Okay. So a young girl wakes up in the realm of Toyland, like wakes up kind of random. Okay. Yeah, sorry. Where she teams up with her family and friends to overthrow the evil villain. Barnaby.

Anne (14m 52s):
I don’t think it says enough about the surrealism or the, or the fact that it’s a Wizard of Oz ripoff. Let’s move on. Before we get to the pre-production, I think we, it’s important to notice that the original, it’s based on an operetta composed by Victor Herbert in 1903. And it’s been filmed several times over different decades. I’ve only seen this one.

Ashley (15m 13s):
I think I watched the one with like the Disney one as a kid.

Anne (15m 16s):
There’s a like a Laurel and Hardy one I think.

Ashley (15m 19s):
Yeah, there’s a Disney one with Annette Funicello. I think I watched that once as a kid and I feel like I liked it, but I don’t have really any other memory about it. I

Anne (15m 26s):
Wonder if before Drew did this, if she’d watched any.

Ashley (15m 29s):
Yeah, probably. So it was directed by Clive Donner and written by Paul Del and Glen McDonna and maybe one of those guys is from Cincinnati because boy is there a lot of love for that city in this movie. Yes. A weird amount. We’ll get into that.

Anne (15m 45s):
There sure is. The movie Stars Keanu Reeves in an early role here. Richard Mulligan. Is he the bad guy?

Ashley (15m 53s):
Yeah. And he was on that show Empty Nest. I don’t know if you remember that as a kid, but my babysitter used to watch it.

Anne (15m 59s):
I know the name. So he plays the Mr. Barnaby, Mr. Just Barbie Bar.

Ashley (16m 4s):
Barnaby Barnaby Barnacle. Oh

Anne (16m 6s):
That’s right. God. And then we have Eileen Brennan who was from Clue, which was your favorite eighties movie mentioned in the end of our previous

Ashley (16m 14s):
Episode. Yeah. And this probably would’ve been like the year after Clue was filmed Probably.

Anne (16m 18s):
Yes. And then Googie Gress who was apparently in Wayne’s World two and he’s just not that into you. Yeah. Did they have scenes together in either, either film?

Ashley (16m 27s):
I had no idea that he was in those movies until I was doing research.

Anne (16m 32s):
Okay. So funny,

Ashley (16m 33s):
He’s sort of like Keanu’s sidekick in this movie I guess. And he is the butt of, feels like a lot of eighties fat jokes. Oh

Anne (16m 41s):
Absolutely. He’s supposed, I think he’s supposed to be like a gingerbread man or something. It’s,

Ashley (16m 45s):
No, he is Georgie Porgie. Oh.

Anne (16m 48s):
Who is Georgie Porgie

Ashley (16m 49s):
Pudding in Pie Kiss the Girls and made them cry. Lovely.

Anne (16m 56s):
Georgie Porgie. And then we have Pat Marita is also in this as the Toy Master and he was in Karate Kid two years prior to this film. So

Ashley (17m 7s):
What a downgrade. Also Jill Solan plays Drew’s sister and I heard her recently on a podcast called $2 Late Fee. She was so delightful. It was definitely jarring to hear her voice hear now because she’s like probably in her sixties.

Anne (17m 23s):
Oh weird. And

Ashley (17m 23s):
I was like, just like older lady. This is so

Anne (17m 26s):
Weird. Yeah.

Ashley (17m 27s):
I listened to it, just hoping to glean some cool details for this that she didn’t really give much. But she did say that they first went to England to do costume fittings before they went on to Germany to film. Oh,

Anne (17m 39s):
Interesting.

Ashley (17m 39s):
Yeah. And we knew this was filmed in Germany. So Drew talks about this actually in both her books, which is pretty surprising because it is that obscure masterpiece as

Anne (17m 48s):
She said. Absolutely.

Ashley (17m 51s):
So, yeah. And little Girl lost Drew talks about how she went to Germany and Munich, Germany to film this. And it was like a good change of scenery for her and Jade because were clashing a lot. And then of course, for some reason Drew just had a ton of independence when she was

Anne (18m 6s):
Here. Of course.

Ashley (18m 8s):
And one thing she mentioned was that she was really like accepted by the crew, the cast, and felt like she wasn’t an outsider the way she’d been feeling at school when she filmed this.

Anne (18m 19s):
Yep.

Ashley (18m 19s):
Which makes me sad.

Anne (18m 20s):
I gotta make one note, is that it actually says I demanded more independence from my mother. So I think we were talking about like her demands in a previous episode. Yeah. We

Ashley (18m 30s):
Were talking about how Amy Fisher, she might have pulled from her actual real life. Would you?

Anne (18m 34s):
Yep.

Ashley (18m 35s):
Okay. So yeah, we’ve mentioned this before and for some reason we get a lot of hits to the Drewseum dot com by people searching Drew, Barrymore, rod Stewart.

Anne (18m 43s):
Oh yeah.

Ashley (18m 44s):
And so this is the story. So Rod Stewart’s crew was in town for a concert and Drew got invited to like go hang out at, on the tour bus and backstage. And then she like partied with the whole band like literally partied. So Drew’s 11 just to put things in perspective.

Anne (19m 1s):
Yep. Oh yeah. And she says, we got crazy drunk, a whole lot of us. And someone took a video of everyone stumbling around the room, falling off the beds, drowning tiny bottles of liquor from the mini bar. I need that video.

Ashley (19m 12s):
Yeah, I,

Anne (19m 12s):
I know she’s 11 and we’d be disturbed by it. But,

Ashley (19m 15s):
But can you imagine for the archive? Yeah. And we will talk a little bit more. I’ll skip over to Wildflower. She also talks about this incident in a chapter called Germany. And she talks about how, so while they were having this like kind of partying, they were in this hotel and they went around and stole like people’s dry cleaning or hanging laundry bags. Oh. And they started throwing all these clothes off of balconies at the hotel.

Anne (19m 41s):
Oh my God.

Ashley (19m 42s):
And Drew started feeling really guilty about it and like stood back and kind of watched and she was like, oh my God, what have I done here? And she says that this haunts her to this day. And she thinks that she has a karma for it because she loses clothes all the time.

5 (19m 57s):
I’m telling you that I cannot keep clothes and I am convinced it is my karma from that night in Munich. And you know what I say to myself, okay, you probably deserve it. I really am so sorry and remorseful and I am positive that what I’m wearing right now will probably be gone by the time anyone ever hears this.

Anne (20m 28s):
Whoa.

Ashley (20m 30s):
Yes. So that happened. And then also Rod Stewart then invited Drew to move on with them to Vienna. And it was over a weekend and she was like, they’re like the circus. I’m gonna run away with them. And then Jade changed her mind and said she couldn’t go. And it said it caused Drew to erupt in a volcanic temper tantrum that lasted for several days.

Anne (20m 50s):
Oh my God. Is that, is that in Wildflower or in

Ashley (20m 53s):
No, that one’s in Little Girl Loss. Because she said, oh God. And she said it was like, that was the fun and she saw it rolling away, leaving her behind in a cloud of dust.

Anne (21m 2s):
Oh my God.

Ashley (21m 3s):
But yeah, so one of the more interesting things about this movie, more interesting than the movie itself, is just knowing like what was going on with life with her personally. That she’s like hanging out, having like smoking pot, drinking and partying with people. Apparently. And I had totally blocked this out. She had a boyfriend who was 15 who was working on the movie.

Anne (21m 24s):
Movie. Yeah.

Ashley (21m 25s):
What? She’s 11. She’s 11. I can’t

Anne (21m 28s):
11.

Ashley (21m 29s):
Oh my God. And it said that they were seriously making out and Ward was getting around set. And so Jade had to have a sex talk with her. I’m so upset by this

Anne (21m 39s):
11.

Ashley (21m 40s):
Oh my God.

Anne (21m 41s):
Thankfully the kid wasn’t older.

Ashley (21m 44s):
I, I know. It’s like, oh he was only 15 I guess. No. And then I’m like, who is this guy? There’s so many extras and like he could just be a weird guy in a teddy bear suit for all we know.

Anne (21m 54s):
Oh my God. There’s so many people in Suits. We’ll get, we’ll get into that. Oh. But it, I think it’s funny that in the movie the people in the suits are sometimes featured on the screen alone. It’s like they just show the teddy bear like moving its head.

Ashley (22m 8s):
So

Anne (22m 9s):
Moving on kind of to a little bit more about the production. I was wondering about this. So Drew’s singing voice was supposedly dubbed by Linda Harmon. Is that somebody notable or that’s just,

Ashley (22m 18s):
I think she just does a lot of this kind of stuff. Okay. You can tell later on in the movie we’ll point it out again, but like clearly she’s a wo like an adult. Yes. Not a child.

Anne (22m 30s):
Totally. And this is such a cool thing about this film that’s so strange despite how conveniently obscure this film is. We have lots and lots of behind the scenes photos from it, which is really fun to see because it’s such a time in Drew’s life. Like she was about to like not be in the public eye as much.

Ashley (22m 48s):
Yeah. It’s, wow, good point. It’s,

Anne (22m 50s):
And she’s still, even though she’s a kid, she’s 11 years old, she claims she’s not a kid throughout this whole film.

Ashley (22m 56s):
She claims she’s what a child. Yeah.

Anne (22m 57s):
Which it feels actually very like true to her life to be like trying to escape that childhood thing.

Ashley (23m 3s):
Yeah. It crazy. Especially when you know what she was doing behind the scenes.

Anne (23m 7s):
Absolutely.

Ashley (23m 8s):
But yeah, we’re lucky. Yeah, we’ll share some of these photos there. There’s a lot of really cool ones. It’s strange. Like way more than some of the more big time movies.

Anne (23m 17s):
Yeah. Who knows why? I mean it must just be because like nobody cared about keeping it private. I don’t know. It’s like, I don’t know. It’s so strange. But it’s so cool. ’cause like I said, it’s a unique thing and it’s not something I really think about digging into and being appreciative of. Yeah. I also just had to point out that I have a really cool pair of lobby cards, but only I think two or three of them feature Drew and the rest are like weird. Like the either the creatures or some other stuff. So, so

Ashley (23m 47s):
Strange

Anne (23m 48s):
That with the release

Ashley (23m 49s):
She’s like in every scene.

Anne (23m 51s):
I know. So it’s like why are more than half of the lobby cards in that set not featuring Drew? It’s just really funny.

6 (24m 1s):
I come from

7 (24m 2s):
C-I-N-C-I and NATI. Cincinnati

8 (24m 6s):
The best county.

Anne (24m 7s):
Okay. So let’s get into the movie.

Ashley (24m 9s):
Okay. We’re gonna go through our notes. Like I said, just a little disclaimer. Mine aren’t all very nice. We’re gonna have fun with it.

Anne (24m 16s):
And then the other disclaimers, we just point out whatever we wanna talk about. We’re not gonna go through the whole plot line by line. We’re just talking about scenes we even thought were funny or interesting or other.

Ashley (24m 27s):
Or other. Yeah. My my first note was that, so Drew, it starts off in Drew’s reading a cookbook and it’s that Plaid Better Homes and Gardens Cookbook Classic. And I know my mom had that. Like I recognized it immediately. Yep. And then I was laughing like, I wonder if Drew has this in her cookbook collection now

Anne (24m 44s):
She has to. It’s so classic. I think my mom has two ’cause we have, oh my God. Amazing. We have one that I grew up with and then like one came from my grandmother. Cool. Because that, it’s like every year they would re-release it. It’s like, oh

Ashley (24m 53s):
Really? I didn’t know

Anne (24m 54s):
That. I think so. It’s like one of those cookbooks that like has like many versions and it’s like I, I’m sure it’s still exists. It’s got, it’s

Ashley (25m 0s):
Amazing.

Anne (25m 1s):
I thought it was funny that it looked like she was just like browsing the cookbook, which I guess is, I guess it’s what you do. I mean that’s

Ashley (25m 6s):
Literally what she does now. That’s like her favorite thing to do.

Anne (25m 10s):
So cool. So cool.

Ashley (25m 12s):
What do you think about her costume choice? So she wears the same thing, the entire movie except I guess in one point she has a jacket over it, but it’s very like plain and not so cute. So she’s just got a red T-shirt on and this weird like denim sort of jumper over it. A dress. Yeah. Yeah. So my first thought was like, is this supposed to be evocative of Dorothy because there are so many Wizard of Oz ripoffs shamelessly pulling plot points. Yes. And I’m like, is this like intentional? ’cause it’s sort of got that like apron dress look.

Anne (25m 49s):
Okay. I have a couple thoughts. I think yes, it’s supposed to be evocative of Dorothy because that dress that Dorothy wears kind of has like an apron top to it. Even though it’s like gingham, like blue gingham. Jared said Drew looked like Mario, like Super Mario

Ashley (26m 4s):
Amazing.

Anne (26m 5s):
And also mentioned the Dorothy thing. And I think she kind of looks like a toy a little bit. ’cause like it’s like simple clothing. Like you know, solid color. I just had that thought right now. But I feel like it works

Ashley (26m 16s):
Okay

Anne (26m 16s):
Even though it’s like, oh I’d love to see her in different outfits. Like literally the whole movie is supposed to take place within a couple of hours of her life.

Ashley (26m 22s):
Which makes sense. Yeah. And then she’s got like white, this horrible like white slouchy socks and white ugly tennis shoes. Her shoes,

Anne (26m 29s):
Her like so bad. Her legs, like her whole sock and shoe area looks so chunky. It’s kind of funny.

Ashley (26m 34s):
Yes. Eighties.

Anne (26m 36s):
Yeah. And one thing I noticed in the intro, she and her sister are talking to each other and like Drew like says you are rap to her. Like it’s like, seems like it’s a playful kind of thing. But yeah, they’re cute.

Ashley (26m 47s):
Cute

Anne (26m 47s):
Together. Did she just call her a rat and then she says it again? Yep.

Ashley (26m 50s):
I think they do have a sweet little connection. I’m sure Drew was like loving having a big sister feeling.

Anne (26m 55s):
Absolutely. I also, just to kind of go back to a little, her loss a little bit. Like she does say, I think you mentioned it like there was like a welcoming, loving. Yeah. You can feel that. Like there’s the, the part when she’s like face to face with that actor Googie Gress. I was like, oh, there’s so much like tenderness there. Yeah. I

Ashley (27m 12s):
Just sweet like

Anne (27m 12s):
True tenderness. So anyway, I loved that. And then I just have to go back to her cooking. So I, she talked about that she’s gonna like cook dinner course

Ashley (27m 19s):
’cause she’s 11 and in charge of the family.

Anne (27m 21s):
Yeah. And there’s like a crazy storm that’s about to happen. She’s watching the weather report and she’s like stirring some like, I don’t know what she’s stirring. Don’t either. But she’s like, it looks like the fork is like floating above the bowl and she’s like pretending to stir. I’m like, she couldn’t, she have like actually stirred. I don’t know. It looked, it looked really funny. But shek was supposed to be like shocked by the impending storm. So Yes. So, okay. So what else do you have?

Ashley (27m 45s):
Okay, so she runs to the toy store where her sister works to let her know because the phones are out and I guess she has to tell everybody there’s a blizzard coming. Yep. So then we get Keanu who also works there. He is so cute in this like so handsome and dreamy. But his acting Woo boy.

Anne (28m 1s):
I mean I, okay. I love Keanu Reeves. Me too. I think the acting is like, it feels like him.

Ashley (28m 6s):
It feels like the perfect, like if you were to make fun of Keanu Reeves acting. Exactly. This is what it would be.

Anne (28m 11s):
Exactly. I

Ashley (28m 12s):
Love this line.

9 (28m 14s):
My Jeep’s got four wheel drive. I’ll take you both home.

Ashley (28m 18s):
Except spoiler alert, not fine.

Anne (28m 21s):
Also not a Jeep.

Ashley (28m 23s):
Is

Anne (28m 23s):
It not? It’s not a Jeep. Oh, that’s hilarious. Not branded Jeep. So it’s one of those things where it’s like tissue, the generic, the Kleenex. Yeah. Yep. Anyway, I’m sure someone who’s listening is like, yeah, I I clocked that. Yeah.

Ashley (28m 36s):
But look at you coming through with the car info. Always. I mean that is, that will never be me. So good job.

Anne (28m 40s):
I had a little help there.

Ashley (28m 43s):
How do you feel about this really cool casual sexual harassment by the toy store owner? Hate to her sister. Disgusting. Like

Anne (28m 50s):
Some of the things that

Ashley (28m 51s):
He says in this, like, this is a children’s movie, what are we doing? Yes. What are we doing here? It’s real gross.

Anne (28m 58s):
It’s,

Ashley (28m 59s):
And Drew stands up to defend her sister and she has that classic little smirk that she would sometimes have in movies. Yes. You know the one I’m talking about where she looks like she’s about to start laughing.

Anne (29m 10s):
Absolutely.

10 (29m 13s):
Don’t you talk to Mary like that.

Anne (29m 15s):
I like that. After that boss is like, what the heck is that? And then the boss and the sister, they start like loudly fighting in the middle of the toy star. Yeah. Like I’m like okay.

Ashley (29m 29s):
But I did appreciate that the sister was like calling him out for his totally disgusting remarks.

Anne (29m 34s):
Totally. Like, it is great.

Ashley (29m 35s):
And this carries over when spoiler, when we get ahead to Toyland and this carries over where this older man is just making these really inappropriate remarks about the sister who’s like 20.

Anne (29m 44s):
Yes. Older man. And it’s actually the same person. We’ll talk about how it’s, this is another Wizard of Oz similarity. I love when Drew makes an announcement on the toy store thing and like warning people about the impending storm.

11 (29m 59s):
Excuse me, everybody I just heard on tv, there’s gonna be a major snow storm hitting Cincinnati any minute. And Christmas Eve, he should not go home while you still can.

Ashley (30m 9s):
And then they all panic and like run. It’s so unrealistic.

Anne (30m 12s):
It’s like fruit teddy bears for any purchase over $75. Like trying to get people to stay. It’s so silly.

Ashley (30m 20s):
All right. So they get in the car, which is not a Jeep apparently. And did you notice like before they start singing, Drew’s like staring into space and looks like she’s gonna puke for no reason. It’s so random. Yes.

Anne (30m 31s):
She just looks like very serious and like, ugh. Like

Ashley (30m 34s):
She’s nauseous or something. I don’t know why was going on. Maybe she drank too much the night before.

Anne (30m 38s):
Oh no. I have a feeling the car is supposed to be really bumpy. So I feel like maybe she put, she’s supposed to look uncomfortable

Ashley (30m 44s):
But then she snaps out of it. Yeah. It’s weird.

Anne (30m 47s):
That’s because they start singing the song.

Ashley (30m 49s):
Oh god. The song. Probably one of the more, most known parts of this movie is this weird ass song about Cincinnati where they live and how wonderful it is.

12 (30m 59s):
Cincinnati

8 (31m 0s):
The best town Ohio say

12 (31m 4s):
At first they called it but Cincinnati, they named it Cincinnati.

Anne (31m 11s):
But the song seems to like fix a lot of things. Spoiler alert.

Ashley (31m 15s):
Although it’s a magical song.

Anne (31m 17s):
Yeah. But like they’re, you know, they’re driving on these rough roads. It looks, it’s really funny. The scenes on the inside, the car is like clearly on a set being shaken around. It’s super funny. And then I wrote a note, does she die? It’s, it’s kind of a joke because she like falls out of the car. Right.

Ashley (31m 32s):
And she flies out of the car. Yeah. On her sled. Oh that’s

Anne (31m 35s):
Right.

Ashley (31m 36s):
Goes right into a tree and the whole thing goes black as if she died. Yeah.

Anne (31m 41s):
Oh well I, I guess we were making a parallel to Wizard of Oz, but we should also make a parallel to 51st states. Oh,

Ashley (31m 47s):
I like it. Yeah. Good one. Good one. It wasn’t

Anne (31m 51s):
A cow, it was a tree. And she’s fine. But she does have some like delirium. So let’s go to Toyland.

Ashley (31m 58s):
Okay, so she’s floating through the sky on her sled

Anne (32m 3s):
Of

Ashley (32m 3s):
Course. Literally flying down from the clouds. Yeah. And she’s flying over Toyland, which it’s kind of amazing. They built this actual set in Germany. So the whole thing is like a practical set, sort of like

Anne (32m 15s):
A, is it still there? Back

Ashley (32m 16s):
Lot. Oh my god. Imagine. Imagine if like on Google Earth you could find the remnants of the like cookie factory. Oh

Anne (32m 22s):
My God. Someone let us know.

Ashley (32m 24s):
Okay. So there’s all these weird creepy people in animal suits. I hate it. Like it’s all like heads that don’t have any like, you know, movement on them. The faces are just blank. There’s like all kinds of weird animals, which I don’t really understand. It’s Toyland. I don’t get it. There’s a raggedy Ann did you catch her?

Anne (32m 42s):
I don’t think I did. She’s

Ashley (32m 43s):
So scary. Oh God, she’s real bad. She’s really scary. And she meets our quote unquote chubby buddy. Yep. Georgie Porgie. And he gives her a cookie that was just hanging out inside his hat on his sweaty head and she eats it. Okay.

Anne (32m 59s):
No questions asked. But we know, you know Drew personally, she kisses her star. She may or may not have kissed Lionel’s marking at the cemetery. So she likes to put things in her mouth that have been in questionable places. So yeah, in this whole surreal portion, which feels very Wizard of Oz because she’s just had this accident and now she’s suddenly in this like land.

Ashley (33m 23s):
And in the land there’s people that look like people in her normal life that she doesn’t make note of that they’re the same people.

Anne (33m 29s):
Yeah. They’re literally the same people. It also has like a Elgin Wonderland vibe to it.

Ashley (33m 34s):
Yeah, I thought that too.

Anne (33m 35s):
Even one of the guys says, who are you?

Ashley (33m 38s):
Weird. I didn’t catch that. That’s amazing.

Anne (33m 40s):
Yeah. Pretty amazing. And then Drew says,

13 (33m 44s):
Boy for talent looks like so much fun. This is pretty strange stuff.

Ashley (33m 48s):
And she’s like skipping in a circle. So awkward. Okay, so there’s a wedding happening. So Mary and Jack, no I’m sorry she’s not marrying Jack. They’re together, they’re in love. But she’s gonna marry the villain. Farby Barnaby because her shitty mom is making her marry this gross older villain guy. Because otherwise they’re gonna lose their house.

Anne (34m 11s):
They’re gonna lose, she’s gonna lose her shoe.

Ashley (34m 13s):
Oh yeah, she, she’s the old woman who lives in a shoe. Thank you. Let’s be, let’s be clear. And I love she, you know, I heard your character Drew’s character’s called Lisa. I feel like we’re gonna say Drew the whole time. But yes, she calls this woman out for being a shitty mom

13 (34m 28s):
And Mrs. Ha, you should be shame forcing your poor daughter to go live in a bowling ball just to pay your mortgage

Anne (34m 38s):
Right away. Basically in the movie. The music is pretty hilarious. But it gets even more hilarious when they’re in Toyland.

Ashley (34m 43s):
It’s bad eighties bad. I don’t

Anne (34m 45s):
Think it’s bad. I think it’s actually pretty good. Yeah, I think it’s good. Like it’s like well done music and I think it works for the weirdness of the film.

Ashley (34m 53s):
Okay.

Anne (34m 53s):
Because the movies, well movies, cheesy music,

Ashley (34m 57s):
Let’s put it this way. The eighties had a really low standard for entertainment. They just did. Like there’s amazing movies that came outta the eighties. I’m not saying overall, but like there are some really bad things that just were like, yeah, this is good enough. Let’s do it. Yep, yep. Since we’re talking about music, Drew’s character stops the wedding somehow. It doesn’t really make sense to me how her like interjecting stops everything. But it does. I love that. She says right before she stops it she says,

13 (35m 28s):
But Mary’s so young and pretty, she can’t possibly marry a pitties creature like that. I told you

Ashley (35m 35s):
So weird.

Anne (35m 36s):
That’s the only explanation.

Ashley (35m 38s):
The dialogue is so weird. Yeah, right. Not that he’s a creep.

Anne (35m 42s):
Yeah. Not that he’s a creep and evil. Like it’s just about how how pretty And

Ashley (35m 46s):
He’s ugly. Yeah.

Anne (35m 48s):
Oh

Ashley (35m 48s):
God. So yeah this, so they all do this big weird ass song celebrating her, which is again very Wizard of Oz after Dorothy Kills the Witch. Yep. And I just was laughing at like one of the lyrics I heard.

14 (35m 60s):
Let’s hear it. For the folk who love freedom, we need,

Ashley (36m 7s):
What

Anne (36m 9s):
Are they talking about? Americans? I know.

Ashley (36m 10s):
I don’t know. And then Drew dude’s like a really impressive round off. Like if you don’t know what that is, it’s like a cartwheel that you land on both feet. Impressive. Every once in a while she’ll like pull some sort of acrobatic or dance move out where I’m like, what? Yeah, like you can do the splits. You can like she can do a lot of things that she doesn’t act like she can do. Oh

Anne (36m 29s):
Absolutely. I’m just gonna say this. Probably say it a bunch of times. ’cause apparently I’m shallow. Drew’s so cute in this.

Ashley (36m 36s):
She is really cute and, and I kind of noticed, I don’t know if I like was imagining this and I doubt they filmed it in chronological order, but I noticed like towards the end she looks older. Like

Anne (36m 46s):
I agree

Ashley (36m 47s):
You did you notice that too? Like her face is kind of thinned out and like she just looks a little bit older.

Anne (36m 52s):
Well how long did they film this? It was like a few months.

Ashley (36m 54s):
A few months. Yeah.

Anne (36m 55s):
So she might’ve been going through some stuff and plus when you’re 11,

Ashley (36m 58s):
Like yeah you’re changing a lot. You’re

Anne (36m 60s):
Changing a lot. So she probably genuinely is like, I feel like I, I kept thinking about Drew as a person. Yeah. You know, during this. So I’m like, oh that like not just her growing but also like she’s experiencing like a different country for the first time. It sounds like she was dating a 15-year-old. She sounds like, you know, was was partying while she was there. So there was some stuff happening in her life that might have impacted how mature she looked.

Ashley (37m 26s):
Here’s a positive note. I do like the cookie factory set. I think it’s really cute. It’s cute. It’s confusing at first what the plan is. I figured out later but So the bad guy in his like goons who I can’t stand

Anne (37m 38s):
That look like Nosferatu.

Ashley (37m 40s):
Yeah, they do. You had a good call. They’re throwing all these boxes of cookies into a cellar door. He had to, I had to put it that way. And they’re like of course doing it as slowly as possible by being all like comical about it.

Anne (37m 54s):
So, but also, yeah, they like set up a ramp of a table and then start like sliding them into there. They’re

Ashley (37m 60s):
Like hitting ’em with baseball bats.

Anne (38m 2s):
The one other thing I thought was really funny and I was like called it as I was watching it, even though I didn’t remember this, one of the goons is like putting a cake carefully into a box and then Oh the box. Yes. So tough. But it feels very like appropriate. Like that feels like eighties comedy. Yeah.

Ashley (38m 20s):
Yeah. Eighties comedy quote unquote comedy. Yeah. Okay. So then Drew’s meeting her mom in this world who’s the old lady who lives in a shoe. She’s introducing all her kids and I was just cracking up ’cause she’s like introducing all these nursery rhyme characters, which is kind of fun. Yeah. And then she like has like five more and she goes, I forget who this one is. And then she never introduces the rest. So I’m like, I guess they ran out of ideas,

Anne (38m 45s):
But we’re also maybe supposed to believe that she doesn’t really care about them. Yeah,

Ashley (38m 47s):
She is. She does play this like absent mindedness. Really. Well she’s pretty hilarious in it. Yes. And then I had to listen to this part three times in a row. Drew kind of flubbed a line.

13 (38m 57s):
Mrs. Hubbard, I think the same as your Toy Master. When two young people love each other, they should be allowed to be together.

Ashley (39m 4s):
So again, it’s like, yeah. Did they really like take their time and refilm things and they were just like, this is good enough. Yeah.

Anne (39m 10s):
I thought it was a typo in your notes, which is really funny how you explained it around this time in the film. But she’s trying to convince this woman who is her mom in the other alternate universe. She says

13 (39m 24s):
At a mature man of the world, like Mr. Barnaby, she be free to marry a more elegant, glamorous woman of the world such as yourself.

Ashley (39m 34s):
She’s like, okay, if this weird lady’s gonna marry off her daughter, maybe I can make her be interested in him instead. Yes. Oh my God. Like how about just nobody goes with this creep.

Anne (39m 43s):
Absolutely. I think that’s when she says she’s gonna sell her children. Yeah. At that point. Yes.

Ashley (39m 47s):
Lovely. Alright. So they get into these little cars, which are really quite cute.

Anne (39m 53s):
They’re very cute.

Ashley (39m 54s):
Yeah. At first I was like, oh, the flower on them. Like the way it’s stenciled kind of reminded me of the old flower films logo. Yeah. When I saw them side by side, I was like, eh, not really. But I still liked it. The

Anne (40m 4s):
Way it does is that the petals are kind of detached. It’s like very stylized daisy. Not a realistic daisy. Yeah. You know, so cute. I love how the cars sound when they’re moving. Also, I love how much they show them riding around in these cars. It’s so cute. Especially

Ashley (40m 23s):
’cause the set is actually quite small. Like you wouldn’t need a car to go anywhere. It’s like two blocks and We’ll, we’ll get into that later on. Yes. At first I was so confused ’cause I’m like the bad guy’s talking about how millions of missing cookies and like I was like, who’s, who are the customers? Like are they sending these to the real world? But then I guess it’s just the creepy teddy bears in town that eat them millions.

Anne (41m 4s):
Well they, yeah. They said something about like, well how are we gonna feed the teddy bears? So ridiculous

Ashley (41m 12s):
As if the those mouths on those teddy bears open. Gimme a break. Yes.

Anne (41m 17s):
There’s a point when, when Drew encounters the bad guys and I don’t really know what’s happening, but in the cookie factory,

15 (41m 26s):
You again cin, he waley out the door or into the flower grinder, which

13 (41m 33s):
Shall it be, I think maybe out the door sounds better.

Anne (41m 39s):
So great.

Ashley (41m 41s):
Oh man. Okay. Then they go visit the toy master, this mysterious man and they go into his little workshop, which I found was like kind of underwhelming personally. But anyway, I

Anne (41m 53s):
Thought it was pretty cool actually. Okay.

Ashley (41m 55s):
You like all those little, what are those called? Those spinny things? Do you know?

Anne (41m 59s):
I know. Was it kind of like a mobile or was it like something that’s standing up?

Ashley (42m 2s):
No, there’s a name for them. It’s like actually a Christmas thing and there’s one in a Christmas vacation. Has an Eddie like touches in all the little like pieces fall apart.

Anne (42m 12s):
Oh, that sounds familiar. Yeah.

Ashley (42m 14s):
All right. Anyway, there’s a lot of those in there, but did you notice that there’s like these two elves in there who don’t move their mouths, but there’s like overdubbed dialogue for them, but they’re not, they’re not speaking. It’s

Anne (42m 25s):
So weird. I didn’t notice There are like, I did one thing, I did notice, since you’re mentioning like the sound, I feel like all the audio seems like it was like rerecorded later. Yeah. Like it seems adrd.

Ashley (42m 35s):
Yeah. And you know what’s interesting is that when the actress Jill was on that podcast when she, this wasn’t Drew relevant, so I didn’t note it, but she says that when they did one of the songs, like recorded it like she wasn’t really prepared and they were like, don’t worry, we’re gonna like rerecord it in a studio later. Okay. And then they didn’t.

Anne (42m 53s):
Oh no. She was like

Ashley (42m 54s):
Mortified with the take.

Anne (42m 56s):
Oh no.

Ashley (42m 58s):
Yeah.

Anne (42m 60s):
They were like, ah, that’s too much work. Yeah,

Ashley (43m 2s):
Good enough. Drew like randomly. She’s like, what’s in the that behind that door? Even though like, why would you say that? Yeah. And there’s all these creepy toy soldiers who have like, like frozen faces and the toy master says something about them being wonderful and Drew’s like,

13 (43m 19s):
Oh, you’re right. They are wonderful. Really?

Anne (43m 26s):
I love when the toy master says to Drew that the wooden toys just aren’t popular anymore. And she like makes a little serious kind of sad face.

Ashley (43m 34s):
Aw. And so basically the bad guys like framed Jack for all these missing cookies and the way that things work in this town is very confusing. So the judge guy, I don’t know what he is, he like has him arrested and they go break him out of jail and then they put the judge in the jail cell so they can run away.

Anne (43m 54s):
Yes. And then after that happens, Drew says to to the judge,

13 (44m 0s):
I’m lucky, I’m sorry sir, but that’s the way the cookie came doing crumbles. Ha ha. Little joke

Anne (44m 7s):
The way she does. Ha. Okay, what happens next?

Ashley (44m 12s):
Okay. I don’t remember how, but somehow Jack gets captured by the bad guys.

Anne (44m 16s):
I do remember how he, they Oh, open a trap door in the cookie shop. That’s right. Because they’re trying to figure out who stole the cookies.

Ashley (44m 23s):
They found out that the, of course the chubby guy found some cookies on the ground. So they’re like eating them. This is evidence. I’m like, well, cookies on the ground in the cookie factory makes sense to me. But okay. Yeah.

Anne (44m 34s):
They’re like, where did you find them? Because they might help us. I love that whole part. ’cause then they’re like trying to find where the cookies were.

Ashley (44m 38s):
Yeah. It’s so bad.

Anne (44m 40s):
Yeah. It’s, it’s, it’s, I was gonna say, it’s so good,

Ashley (44m 42s):
So bad. It’s good. And then the goons. So again like, what’d you say? They look like nasra too. Yeah. The way that they are acting and the like slapstick again, quote unquote comedy. It reminds me so much of what I was just talking about in Con Sawyer. Yeah. Where there’s like the dumb little minions. They’re always dumb and they’re always like slapstick and it’s like, yeah. Was such a thing in the eighties. I don’t understand it. Like how was that funny? It was such a like a trope. It’s just cracks me up.

Anne (45m 13s):
Yeah. That they would be like a sidekick.

Ashley (45m 15s):
Yeah. Always. Like the bad guy always picks these like two dumb asses to do all his things for

Anne (45m 20s):
Him. Yeah. And you can just imagine them like bumping heads. Yes. You know, like

Ashley (45m 24s):
Literally I’ll just say it now because later on I don’t feel like in the beginning this is there, but later on all these cartoony sound effects happen every time that they’re on because they absolutely, they’re just like hitting trees and things are bumping in them in the Oh my god. All right. And

Anne (45m 41s):
They’re unnecessarily driving cars around.

Ashley (45m 47s):
I fast forwarded through the villains song ’cause like we only have so much time guys.

Anne (45m 52s):
Absolutely. You noted how useless the toy master seems because they’re kind of like, can’t you help in any way? There’s all this stuff

Ashley (45m 59s):
Happening. Yeah. They keep going to him. He’s supposed to be powerful and stuff and he is just like, oh I’m not, I can’t really do anything.

Anne (46m 6s):
Yes. But he’s like got this calm demeanor that’s kind of like, oh

Ashley (46m 9s):
Yeah. At one point I think Drew even says like, he’s not gonna be able to help us. He’s a pacifist or something weird like that. Oh does she? Yeah. It’s weird. Oh my

Anne (46m 16s):
God. I love my favorite line in that kind of part is Drew says to him, well

13 (46m 22s):
For instance, don’t you have the power to turn Barnaby into a, a windup pussycat or something. I mean, I don’t think you realize how evil he is.

Ashley (46m 30s):
He probably could. He does have a jar of all the evil that he’s collected in the world. What?

Anne (46m 35s):
Oh God. That’s such a

Ashley (46m 36s):
Weird plot point. Yeah. They go to rescue Jack Drew says for like the 50th time that she’s not a child. What

13 (46m 43s):
The hell? That child, I’m not a child.

Anne (46m 47s):
She says that so many times in this. It’s, it’s a theme for sure.

Ashley (46m 50s):
Yeah. And you said you were kind of thinking about real life Drew every time she said it, which is like definitely an interesting layer.

Anne (46m 57s):
Yeah, there’s, there’s something at the end that feels very like, I’m like, it’s almost heart wrenching that I, I was like just thinking they’re talking to Drew, not to Lisa. Yeah. She says something to Barnaby. I don’t even remember what actually is happening at this point.

15 (47m 11s):
I will be master of Toyland.

13 (47m 13s):
You are the monster of Toyland. Barnaby. How could you ever wish evil the most wonderful place that ever existed. You’re insane.

Ashley (47m 20s):
Well she has like a whole little speech,

Anne (47m 23s):
Which is like a little bit like not really but like Olive.

Ashley (47m 27s):
Oh my favorite favorite.

Anne (47m 30s):
Actually Lisa does have a little bit of olive in her.

Ashley (47m 33s):
I love that.

Anne (47m 34s):
Yeah.

Ashley (47m 35s):
And then like, oh yeah. So that’s probably when the bad guys like tie them up in the Toy Master’s workshop, tie them up, like barely put a rope around them. It’s so silly.

Anne (47m 44s):
Yeah. Not the most effective time. No, it’s

Ashley (47m 46s):
Very funny. Funny. And then there’s this creepy gross little bird thing during the whole movie that’s like Barnaby’s other

Anne (47m 52s):
Pet, I

Ashley (47m 52s):
Guess they call him troll log. And he is so creepy and gross. I hate it.

Anne (47m 58s):
He’s really creepy and gross. But when he like starts to peck at

Ashley (48m 1s):
Oh God

Anne (48m 2s):
Through character and then that, that’s what gets her like released. It’s really funny ’cause it’s like his, he’s supposed to be like a bad guy, but he literally pokes off the rope

Ashley (48m 11s):
And then the toy master paints over his eye and I was laughing ’cause that’s what he does earlier with for the elves. They’re like, toy Master, toy Master help with this toy. And he like paints eyes. I’m like, that’s all he can do.

Anne (48m 23s):
That’s his only role. And guide people to, you know, he is like, he seems like he’s a little bit like a fairy godmother. A little bit for

Ashley (48m 31s):
Drew. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Anne (48m 32s):
I hadn’t really thought about that before, but it’s just like he’s got like this army of, he’s got like the tools, you know, but not the know-how something

Ashley (48m 40s):
Like that. He’s like, it can only take you so far.

Anne (48m 44s):
Yes. Let’s talk about that jar of evil.

Ashley (48m 46s):
Oh my God. Right. So, so the whole gang ends up in the layer. ’cause they all fall through different trap doors that all lead to one place in the bowling ball Of course. And then Uhoh here comes that jar of evil air. So he, the villain like spreads it out and they all start turning into trolls slash monsters.

Anne (49m 7s):
Yep.

Ashley (49m 8s):
Keanu was like making me laugh so hard in this part. And then our solution that Drew comes up with miraculously just sing the Cincinnati song everybody and you’ll, you’ll not be monsters anymore. And they all know the words even though they’re not technically the same people that were singing it. Yeah. In the real world.

Anne (49m 28s):
Oh yeah, good point.

Ashley (49m 30s):
But I don’t understand the like propaganda for the city. As we mentioned before. Maybe one of the writers is from there.

Anne (49m 37s):
I don’t know. But one of my favorite things about that part is Lisa. Yeah. Is not impacted by like, she’s not turning,

13 (49m 49s):
Nothing’s happening to me. I guess I’m mute because I’ve friend Cincinnati. Yes.

Anne (49m 55s):
And it’s funny ’cause I was like, wait, is she supposed to be acting the same way as they’re like, I honestly thought that it was like bad acting for a second. Yeah. And then it was like, I even wrote in my notes like seemingly not impacted by the green fog.

Ashley (50m 8s):
Oh because she’s from Cincinnati dad. Yeah, of

Anne (50m 11s):
Course. Of course. That makes you immune.

Ashley (50m 13s):
And you can definitely tell when she starts singing that it’s a woman. It’s not Drew in any shape or or form.

Anne (50m 19s):
Yeah. And then the last line of that part was,

13 (50m 23s):
I told you Cincinnati was a great place.

Ashley (50m 27s):
Yeah. It’s funny, before it it started. I was like, oh God, I hate the part when they’re all fake that they’re monsters to get out. Oh, it’s hilarious. Oh God. I was like, cr cringe, cringe, cringe. And then when it started I was like, wait, this is actually funny. Like I, I remembered it being like secondhand embarrassment but I, I was cracking up at Drew.

Anne (50m 44s):
My God. And then we get another great line

0 (50m 48s):
Master master three fours for our wonderful master.

Ashley (50m 56s):
And then did you notice when they come out of the little cell that Drew looks at one of the bad guys and does a cat hiss? Yeah. And it was like,

Anne (51m 4s):
That’s so true.

Ashley (51m 5s):
Exactly how she does it now. I can’t think of like an example, but she definitely does it a lot. Oh

Anne (51m 11s):
Yeah. She like does it on her show and stuff. Yeah. Like yeah, absolutely. I was like, oh it was amazing. It’s perfect.

Ashley (51m 16s):
Never changed Drew. Yeah,

Anne (51m 17s):
Yeah. Please never changed.

Ashley (51m 19s):
So then there’s like this super drawn out escape from this underground layer. Oh my God. It just felt like it was going on forever. I don’t know if you had that feeling too, but I was impressed with the set. I was like, wow, they really built this whole thing. Yeah, yeah. But I was laughing. So there’s a part where Keanu and Drew get on a rope swing to get across like a Oh yes. What would you call that? To get from one cliff to the other, whatever. Yeah. But it just cracked me up. It was reminding me of how when he came on her show, she told a story about on her 16th birthday, he like walked into the club and took her on a motorcycle ride randomly. Yes. And then her little sounds that she made, I was just cracking up thinking of 16-year-old her and him on a motorcycle.

Anne (52m 2s):
I had a similar thought ’cause I was thinking, not like necessarily about that part, but I was thinking about like, oh like five years later. Yeah. He rode on a motorcycle.

Ashley (52m 10s):
Very different ride.

Anne (52m 11s):
Yes.

0 (52m 13s):
Ready? Yeah.

Ashley (52m 18s):
It’s so weird.

Anne (52m 19s):
Yeah. And then we have the car chase.

Ashley (52m 22s):
Oh yeah. So, which we’ve been teasing a little bit. The big climax, the car chase where they literally just drive in a big circle. I

Anne (52m 31s):
Was like, is this a bumper car? It kind

Ashley (52m 33s):
Of was bumper cars. I totally had the same thought.

Anne (52m 36s):
But then I was like, this is kind of funny. Like, I was just trying to think that, are they going fast? Are they going really slow? It’s like pretty slow. I wrote in my notes, they seem kind of dangerous, but it’s only because like if they actually hit each other, there

Ashley (52m 48s):
Is one part where two of them hit each other and I was a little like

Anne (52m 53s):
Yeah. And there’s another great line Drew says to them, like, while they’re chasing around, I swear she says Ggo.

Ashley (53m 6s):
I think you’re right. And honestly like the dialogue in this is so odd. Some of it is so formal. There’s a lot of You must, we must. Yeah. And yeah, then there’s the weird stuff like that where I’m like, what? That’s not a thing People said,

Anne (53m 18s):
Yeah,

Ashley (53m 20s):
I already mentioned this before, but this is where those cartoon sound effects on the goons like really kick into high gear. Oh boy.

Anne (53m 27s):
And it sounds, but it sounds like so all of it’s so silly,

Ashley (53m 32s):
So slapstick.

Anne (53m 33s):
But even though like the, the creatures I say I’m saying creatures ’cause they really are like creatures. Like the, yeah. I don’t know if this is that part where like they’re releasing, maybe that’s a little bit later, but like

Ashley (53m 42s):
When they’re coming out from Y

Anne (53m 44s):
Yeah. I’m like, are they just like made of trash and fabric? Like I was just like, I don’t,

Ashley (53m 49s):
I bet they were like roots, like underground roots. I don’t know. But creatures is the best way to put

Anne (53m 55s):
It. I guess they’re more rootlike for sure. Like organic. But they’re so creepy. They

Ashley (53m 60s):
Are scary. I totally, and I, I told you that little bird thing really creeps me out too. The troll log.

Anne (54m 6s):
Yeah, it is. I mean it’s all pretty creepy. I think I can laugh past it now, but maybe when I’ve watched it before, like years and years ago, I was just like, ugh. And having to like have pictures of them in my collection, I’m like,

Ashley (54m 20s):
Merry Christmas.

Anne (54m 22s):
Yeah.

0 (54m 40s):
There’s

Anne (54m 41s):
A part where they’re back in the toy masters

Ashley (54m 44s):
Once again looking to him for help. Even though he is like, I can’t do anything.

Anne (54m 49s):
But it’s him who says

16 (54m 51s):
There is one person who was never really a child life, made her grow up too fast.

Anne (54m 59s):
And I couldn’t help but like immediately think that there’s no way Drew didn’t feel like this related to her life.

Ashley (55m 6s):
I know the wild thing is that you can tell I was getting really checked out by this part because I was just like, oh I can’t take this movie anymore. So I didn’t really think about it. But you’re so right when you watch it with that view, it’s definitely like, oh this is sad.

Anne (55m 18s):
Yeah. And if you, if you look at Drew’s face and think of it as Drew having these feelings, it’s very interesting.

13 (55m 26s):
I guess life just made me grow up too fast.

Anne (55m 29s):
Be one. Say have like a Wizard of Oz sort of

Ashley (55m 32s):
Big time.

Anne (55m 33s):
Like, so Lisa Drew’s character is supposed to kind of find her inner child and

13 (55m 39s):
Yes, I kept my teddy and I miss him.

17 (55m 43s):
Then you do still remember how important toys can be. Lisa

18 (55m 46s):
Say that you really remember Lisa.

19 (55m 50s):
Remember Lisa say that you remember, remember

Ashley (55m 53s):
Believe in the toys. Toys Lisa believe in them

Anne (55m 57s):
And I couldn’t help. It’s like there’s no place like home. So it’s like it totally is. Yeah. You know, like that whole part is very like, come on, you have all the power inside you kind of thing.

Ashley (56m 6s):
Yeah. Oh, and don’t forget the Toy Master song. As soon as you started singing, I was like, oh no, this is rough.

Anne (56m 12s):
Oh my God. The creepy thing

Ashley (56m 13s):
Is like Keanu’s voice is not very good. His voice is not very good. And then once again we get poor Drew being the one that’s dubbed just like in everyone says I love you my God. Like hers couldn’t have been that bad. That

Anne (56m 24s):
Bad. Exactly.

Ashley (56m 26s):
But yeah, I was like, oh my God. Another song where there’s like an old man singing to little child Drew and touching her face. Like why is this a thing that I’m noticing happened a lot in the eighties. I don’t like it. I think

Anne (56m 38s):
It’s supposed to represent some kind of like, you know Fatherly mother. Yes, exactly. Like, but it’s also like, ugh. But I, I was noticing Drew’s expression during the song and I felt like she looked genuinely sad.

Ashley (56m 52s):
Aw. She’s like, I wanna go get wasted guys. I don’t wanna talk about how I’m not a kid because I’m not a kid.

Anne (56m 58s):
Guys, this is so boring. I’m not, again not. And then, you know, she kind of is like, I’m still a child. I got my teddy bear and I miss him.

Ashley (57m 7s):
It’s so weirdly formal. Again, it’s, I kept Teddy.

Anne (57m 11s):
That whole part has this both cheese and sort of real, you know, real life connection. Yeah. And then Drew starts the war. I was like, it’s

Ashley (57m 23s):
Kind of weird that this movie is ending on like goons and cannons. ’cause here come all She like lets all the toy soldiers out. ’cause she believes in them now.

Anne (57m 31s):
Yes. I guess they don’t even really show them shooting.

Ashley (57m 35s):
They do. That’s why I was like sort of surprised they don’t show like

Anne (57m 39s):
Anybody getting hurt. Yeah.

Ashley (57m 41s):
But they show me shooting.

Anne (57m 43s):
I mean I, I’ve been watching Game of Thrones so I’m a little bit like, this is like a Game of Thrones and Babes of Toyland.

Ashley (57m 50s):
Okay. So obviously Good triumphs over evil and all the creepy creatures like basically get put behind a fence and they’re like

Anne (57m 60s):
Banished. Yep. Oh they’re banished to the forest of the night or whatever it’s called. Yeah. It’s so weird.

Ashley (58m 6s):
So they’re right there still. Yep.

Anne (58m 8s):
Okay.

Ashley (58m 9s):
And then of course Jack and Mary get to get married, which is cute. They do cute chemistry. Those too.

Anne (58m 14s):
They do very, very cute. I thought, I mean they’re both like adorable. Anyway, the Keanu and the actor Jill adorable.

Ashley (58m 23s):
Yeah. I was like, I didn’t understand when she was walking up the aisle why he had to have his back to her. Is that a thing? I’ve never seen that He kept like trying to turn around and georgie’s like, no, no, turn her. You’ve gotta keep your back to her. I was like, what

Anne (58m 35s):
Didn’t, I didn’t even notice that at one point Drew seems to be like the flower girl and kind of a ring bearer and the ring pillow is a cookie.

Ashley (58m 44s):
Yeah. That was cute. And I did like that she had her flower wreath. I really think that was like a sweet little touch. Oh yes. Finally she’s got on something a little different.

Anne (58m 53s):
Yes. There were a couple times where she was like adjacent. I think that there’s a parade earlier where she’s like by like a flower arch. Yeah,

Ashley (58m 60s):
I know that

Anne (59m 0s):
Too. Then she has the wreath at the end.

Ashley (59m 2s):
Yeah, that was cute.

Anne (59m 3s):
Very cute.

Ashley (59m 4s):
And then Surprise, here comes Santa. It’s really the toy master. He was Santa all along question mark. And the reindeer are wooden cutouts. Huh.

Anne (59m 15s):
And somehow that works.

Ashley (59m 17s):
And there’s two elves that that don’t talk. Those weird elves, that mouth the mouse don’t move. And that’s about all the Santa kind of like, I don’t get, I don’t Is he Santa? Like is he, or is he like Santa’s helper? I don’t get it.

Anne (59m 29s):
I think he’s supposed to be Santa. Okay.

Ashley (59m 31s):
I think so

Anne (59m 32s):
Too. I mean, I don’t know. He is got a whole set of reindeer. You know, even if they are wood cutouts, he’s got all the a Coutre ma of Santa.

Ashley (59m 39s):
You’re right. He does have the like the red and white like santa robes and Yeah. Yes. And J’s just like, oh okay. Sure. Like there’s not really,

Anne (59m 49s):
It’s weird. No question.

Ashley (59m 51s):
Yeah. And then did you notice in Dolan’s crowd there’s a lion that’s wearing a football jersey?

Anne (59m 57s):
Yes. I

Ashley (59m 57s):
Was like, is this more weird Cincinnati shit?

Anne (59m 60s):
I, what’s something, I mean I kind of tried to do a quick search ’cause I saw your note and I couldn’t find anything that that confirmed that. But I’m like, what, what is that toy? It’s like there’s just a random mascot in the Yeah.

Ashley (1h 0m 11s):
Someone has to tell us if that’s like Cincinnati’s colors or something. Yeah.

Anne (1h 0m 15s):
I mean they also, I think I mentioned this before, but they talk about baseball player Pete Rose like so many times. I think there was like two different moments where they’re like talking about Pete Rose. And I’m like, okay. Like I don’t, I don’t get it.

Ashley (1h 0m 28s):
What, what is this? Yes,

Anne (1h 0m 31s):
Yes.

Ashley (1h 0m 32s):
All right. And then of course we’re back home. Don’t worry. She’s just been dreaming. I don’t know. It’s very Wizard of Oz again. But yeah, she’s like wakes up on the couch. I like, they’re like, oh, we’re so worried about you after you flew out of a moving vehicle and hit a tree. We just had you on the couch here hoping you’d wake up.

Anne (1h 0m 50s):
And she looks just fine. No

Ashley (1h 0m 52s):
Medical attention.

Anne (1h 0m 54s):
Absolutely not. But

Ashley (1h 0m 55s):
Yeah, then it starts getting shameless. The Wizard of Oz. She’s pretty much doing. And you were there and you were there.

Anne (1h 1m 1s):
One other thing I wanted to compare to Wizard of Oz is the T Trello’s eye is like, it has visions like the witches crystal ball. Oh

Ashley (1h 1m 11s):
Yeah. Like the villain can watch everybody through it. You’re right. Oh my God.

Anne (1h 1m 15s):
It’s just so, okay, so summary. This is Wizard of Oz on like psychedelics

Ashley (1h 1m 23s):
Eighties cocaine and really bad quality.

Anne (1h 1m 26s):
I mean, and it’s possible. Dear Little Drew was also almost cocaine. Almost.

Ashley (1h 1m 31s):
I’m just kidding. Just a couple months later, not quite yet. And then we end on her weird speech that like sums it all up.

13 (1h 1m 40s):
Oh my, the tree is so beautiful. As beautiful as all the things the Toy Master taught me. Oh, he

20 (1h 1m 47s):
Must be a very wise man.

13 (1h 1m 50s):
He was, he taught me that it was in our hearts that we must stay young and try to be good and above all we must believe. And then we’ll always have a Merry Christmas and everything. Won’t we Always. And always. And always.

Ashley (1h 2m 8s):
Okay. What, what? I don’t understand.

Anne (1h 2m 11s):
But honestly, like overall, I, I left at, at the end of the film I was like, okay, weird as hell. I like was like, I feel like I need to watch it it again. Like,

Ashley (1h 2m 20s):
Oh boy, really? I was like, that’s it. Never again. Every time I put myself through this, I’m like, why did I watch this? It’s so bad. This is my grand finale for Babes.

Anne (1h 2m 31s):
You’re like, I’ve done the podcast on it. Yeah. That’s like, I can put that away.

Ashley (1h 2m 34s):
My work here. It’s done. I think

Anne (1h 2m 36s):
I was just, I’m just like, Drew is is such a like weird point in her career. Yes.

Ashley (1h 2m 42s):
That is this like a very good reason to watch it. ’cause sometimes I’m like, oh my God, she’s exactly her how she was as a kid. Yes. And then sometimes I see like the older version of her, it is like a cool like bridge between both. Yeah.

Anne (1h 2m 54s):
And I think it might’ve been like, when I thought about watching it again, it wasn’t because I missed something in the storyline or felt like something needed to be clarified. It was more,

Ashley (1h 3m 3s):
Or you mean those songs again?

Anne (1h 3m 5s):
I mean I do, you know, the Cincy song really gets me going. Did we mention her name is Li Lisa Cincy Watsky? Or that that’s what the evil guys call her.

Ashley (1h 3m 15s):
Her name’s Lisa Piper. I think you did mention it already. Okay. But the, the bad guy can’t, doesn’t know what Cincinnati is. So he just calls her that the whole time over and over again.

Anne (1h 3m 26s):
Also. I love that her, her name is Piper. Do they say that towards the beginning

Ashley (1h 3m 30s):
When she gets to Toyland? I think she says that’s her name. Okay. Lisa

Anne (1h 3m 34s):
Pipe. That’s my mom’s maiden.

Ashley (1h 3m 36s):
Oh yeah, that’s right. Pipe. I’m surpris. You didn’t catch it.

Anne (1h 3m 39s):
Yeah, I didn’t. I must have not been listening very closely. Okay, so let’s just talk briefly about the release of this masterpiece

Ashley (1h 3m 47s):
Obscure masterpiece.

Anne (1h 3m 49s):
Yes. It aired December 19th, 1986. So basically right when we’re releasing this, right?

Ashley (1h 3m 55s):
Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. You’re

Anne (1h 3m 57s):
Right. Is it the same day we’re releasing

Ashley (1h 3m 58s):
It’s, yes. We did that again. I love it. Okay. 38 years ago. 38

Anne (1h 4m 4s):
Ago.

Ashley (1h 4m 4s):
That’s crazy. Today

Anne (1h 4m 6s):
If you’re listening on the day this is released December 19th. Totally crazy.

Ashley (1h 4m 9s):
I guess part of the reason that seems wild is because we watched on YouTube there’s an amazing, like basically Blu-Ray super high quality version. Oh my God. Yeah. And I can’t believe, like when you look at that, it doesn’t look 38 years old.

Anne (1h 4m 21s):
No. And I, I can’t believe that high, high quality thing is free on YouTube. It’s

Ashley (1h 4m 25s):
Weird. Yeah. It’s very great. We’ll link to it if anybody really wants to sit through this. Yeah, sure. The original airings. So this is like a thing that people who saw it originally still can’t get past. It was 140 minutes long, which

Anne (1h 4m 41s):
I’m like, that’s two hours and 20 minutes long. That’s

Ashley (1h 4m 44s):
Too much Babes in Toyland. I guess also,

Anne (1h 4m 47s):
Is it a Marvel movie?

Ashley (1h 4m 48s):
I know, right? I guess it included a lot of deleted songs, so, okay. No loss there probably. And that version has never been released and I’ve seen all over the internet for years. Oh, we want the full version. So when I was listening to Jill on $2 Late Fee, she said that even when they were doing it, they always knew it was gonna be shortened to 90 minutes for international releases. So they always knew stuff was gonna get cut out. It’s weird. Like what is the, I don’t understand the choice there. There. And she was calling it more. She said they were really calling it more of a mini series, even though it all aired in

Anne (1h 5m 23s):
One night.

Ashley (1h 5m 23s):
Oh. Like it wasn’t, they weren’t really considering it a movie.

Anne (1h 5m 26s):
Maybe they tr maybe they were going to release it in like parts.

Ashley (1h 5m 30s):
Yeah, maybe. But they ended up not doing that. And then they were like, wow, that was too long. We’re never gonna put that out again.

Anne (1h 5m 37s):
What a weird, this movie is just such a weird thing. Like also of course when you search for Babes in Toyland it comes with like all these different versions. So this is just one version that, you know, it’s the only one I’ve seen. Maybe the only one I’ll ever see. I don’t know. Weird movie. The plot seems like, it’s like almost a trope. Yeah. You know, to like have something happen and you know, it’s like totally, you go into another

Ashley (1h 6m 3s):
Universe, you wake up in another world. Yeah. Yeah.

Anne (1h 6m 5s):
But yeah, this was Babes in Toyland. If you, if you all haven’t seen it, you should definitely watch it. I think it’s worthwhile. Even if you’re just like, you know, watching it while you fall asleep might give you nightmares. Yeah.

Ashley (1h 6m 18s):
You wake up to that tralo. No, thank you. But yeah, it is a trip. It is a weird, weird moment in Drew’s filmography. If it wasn’t a Christmas movie, who knows when we would get to this one. Yes.

Anne (1h 6m 32s):
Yes. Exactly. And and the fact that like the Christmas elements of it. Yeah.

Ashley (1h 6m 37s):
It’s very small.

Anne (1h 6m 38s):
Yeah. It’s like just the beginning, we know it’s like they’re Christmas shopping.

Ashley (1h 6m 42s):
Yeah.

Anne (1h 6m 44s):
And then there’s a Christmas tree at the end. And then

Ashley (1h 6m 46s):
Santa. Don’t forget Santa. Oh

Anne (1h 6m 47s):
My God.

Ashley (1h 6m 48s):
Santa flying across the moon. Not nearly as good as ET flying across the moon. Oh my God. Those effects were rough.

Anne (1h 6m 55s):
I almost forgot about the effects. I’m gonna stop defending this movie.

Ashley (1h 7m 1s):
But it was still fun to talk about, that’s

Anne (1h 7m 3s):
For sure. Yes. I’m glad we did it because like, like we’ve said before, getting the excuse to rewatch some of these movies. Yeah.

Ashley (1h 7m 9s):
That is a really fun part of doing this podcast.

Anne (1h 7m 11s):
Like it is funny to be like, I’m doing research right now. Like this is important.

Ashley (1h 7m 15s):
This is important work.

Anne (1h 7m 16s):
Yes. Yes.

Ashley (1h 7m 18s):
I know. I was like, I was watching it at work. I was like, if anybody comes in here and hears this and looks at my screen, they’re gonna be like, what the hell are you doing?

Anne (1h 7m 25s):
Research. Research.

Ashley (1h 7m 28s):
All right. Thanks for sticking with us guys. I hope you didn’t have to watch the last part in double speed like I did with the end of Babes in Toyland. I was like, it’s at the end. If you had fun listening to us talk about this movie, please feel free to leave us a rating or a review. We are almost caught up with reading all the Apple podcast reviews that we know about. So give us some new ones and we’ll read your so on the air.

Anne (1h 7m 55s):
Yes please.

Ashley (1h 7m 57s):
And then of course, as we mentioned before, you can follow us on Instagram at How Do You Drew pod. And then if you wanna be like Drew Barrymore and engage with our other count, it’s at Drew Zm.

Anne (1h 8m 9s):
I, I mean, I just like zoned out for a second hearing. You say that

Ashley (1h 8m 14s):
You went to another world, you landed in a cake.

Anne (1h 8m 19s):
Yes. And while you’re on the internet, you know, ’cause we’re in a, the modern world, make sure you visit and subscribe to our Patreon. Make sure you visit our website at How Do You Drew dot com for episode page. We’ll have lots of fun behind the scenes and just really amazing stuff that you don’t wanna miss.

Ashley (1h 8m 36s):
Yes. There are gonna be some good photos for this one. Yes. So come check out the episode

Anne (1h 8m 40s):
Page super unique and send your listener mail to How Do You Drew [email protected]. Reach out to us on social media. Let

Ashley (1h 8m 48s):
Us know, are you one of those people that watch this as a kid and you have nostalgia and you think it’s great? Or are you with us and you’re like, what the hell is this movie?

Anne (1h 8m 55s):
I would love to hear someone who, who has nostalgia and like they,

Ashley (1h 8m 59s):
They exist. I’ve seen them out there. Yep,

Anne (1h 9m 1s):
Yep. It just, it just wasn’t us for whatever reason. Okay. My question to take us out today is, what’s your favorite Christmas themed dessert?

Ashley (1h 9m 11s):
Like always with the food?

Anne (1h 9m 13s):
I’m hungry.

Ashley (1h 9m 15s):
Do I have one that’s kind of a weird,

Anne (1h 9m 17s):
Or is there like a treat that comes out? Like if it’s candy or something that you feel like you have at Christmas time that you like?

Ashley (1h 9m 24s):
You know, I don’t really do it anymore, but we always used to have a jar of Hershey’s kisses. It was like a Christmas jar that only came out. I don’t even remember really what it looked like. I just remember the lid had one of those, you know, the like, kind of like suctioning blo like Yeah. One of those. So Hershey’s kisses, if I have those still kind of reminds me of Christmas time. Yeah.

Anne (1h 9m 44s):
I feel like they have a Christmas vibe for me too. Yeah,

Ashley (1h 9m 46s):
Well it’s that famous commercial that they’ve been airing forever with the little Hershey’s kisses doing the, we Wish You made Christmas. That’s, that might

Anne (1h 9m 53s):
Be white. That’s so true. And like a kind of a bell shape. Even with kisses. Yeah. Like, yeah. It’s so cute. Anyway, what is it for me? You know, I like Andy’s candies.

Ashley (1h 10m 2s):
Oh well yeah. I always like

Anne (1h 10m 5s):
Those. Yeah, I know they’re around all year. But I associate them with Christmas.

Ashley (1h 10m 8s):
I associate them with Olive Garden. Is that what they give you at the end of? Probably they give you a chocolate mint. It’s very Andy’s like, even if it’s not the same brand. Yes.

Anne (1h 10m 18s):
That is so funny. I thought, oh, I also like peppermint bark. So it’s like all of the different companies.

Ashley (1h 10m 24s):
I like peppermint, like

Anne (1h 10m 25s):
Pepper, pepper. Mm.

Ashley (1h 10m 27s):
All

Anne (1h 10m 27s):
Right. Now I need some candy. Okay, everyone. Merry Christmas. Possibly. Happy New Year.

Ashley (1h 10m 33s):
Yeah, no, really, I don’t think we’ll be out again until in 2024. So thanks for being here. This was a big year for us. We got a huge amount of new listeners this year. Yes. So wow.

Anne (1h 10m 43s):
Hope that it keeps just growing and next year’s even bigger. So here’s the 2024.

Ashley (1h 10m 48s):
Yeah, let’s do it. Thanks everybody. Merry Christmas, Happy, Holidays, all the good stuff.

Anne (1h 10m 53s):
Yes. And we’ll see you next Thursday.

Ashley (1h 10m 55s):
Bye-Bye

Anne (1h 10m 55s):
Bye.

22 (1h 11m 23s):
This episode of the How Do You Drew podcast was researched and produced by Ashley and Anne from thedrewseum.com with help from our sponsor, positive, medium.

Ashley (1h 11m 31s):
Special thanks to Matt Costa for our lovely theme song, Roxy Prima, for our adorable logo. And last but not least, Drew, Barrymore and all the Drewbie who love her, we do this for you. Thank you. Thank you.

Episode 063 - The Amy Fisher Story - Transcript

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Ashley (24s):
Okay. Hello and welcome to How Do You Drew.

Anne (27s):
This is A Drew Barrymore Podcast, brought to you by thedrewseum.com

Ashley (31s):
And sponsored by our friends at Positive Medium.

Anne (34s):
I’m Anne.

Ashley (34s):
And I’m Ashley.

Anne (36s):
And our guests.

Movies That Made Us Gay (39s):
My name’s Pete. And I’m Scott. And we are, we are the Movies That Made Us Gay. Woo-hoo.

Anne (45s):
Welcome. Welcome, welcome.

Ashley (48s):
We were trying to think of a mashup name I came up with. How did you get So Gay Drew?

Movies That Made Us Gay (53s):
Hey,

Anne (55s):
Well what was mine? Ashley?

Ashley (56s):
These are the Drew-vies that made us gay.

Movies That Made Us Gay (59s):
Oh, I like that. I like that.

Anne (1m 2s):
So that’s our contribution to this collaboration. And we’re out.

Ashley (1m 7s):
So I’ll just kind of preface by saying, listeners have heard me rave about your podcast for the last, I don’t know, like two months. I found it with your ever after episode. And as I began listening to you guys, I was like, they really know their stuff. What? I’m not sitting here yelling at the car. Like that’s wrong, like I do with other podcasts, like a nerd. And then I started going through your entire,

Movies That Made Us Gay (1m 32s):
That catalog. Yeah,

Ashley (1m 32s):
That catalog. Thank you. And realizing you’ve done like every movie that’s been important to me my whole life. Like the weird stuff from my childhood and the stuff I obsessed about as a teenager by myself with no one else. And I’ve had so many moments. This sounds weird and creepy, but I’ve had so many moments listening to you guys where I like psychically say exactly whatever reference you’re about to say. And I’ve just like, these are my people. So I had to, to stalk you, find you, tell you you had to be my friends and come on the podcast.

Anne (2m 2s):
Yeah,

Movies That Made Us Gay (2m 3s):
Absolutely. Thank you so much for having us on. We love doing kind of like collaborations like this. Yeah. And you know, like you said, we, we try to do as much research as we can. And even if it’s something that like, I’m not super into, I’m just like, well, if I’m gonna blob about it on a microphone for an hour and a half, I need to at least, you know, give it a watch. So yeah. I’m, I’m the same way. If I’m, if I’m listening to a podcast, I’m like, oh my God, people get it together with these facts. Yeah. Just open up your MDB trivia. It’s nothing.

Ashley (2m 35s):
And I also appreciate like that you always get dates correct. Like years. Correct. ’cause I have a weird, like, especially in the nineties, I know exactly when anything came out.

Movies That Made Us Gay (2m 44s):
Yeah, that’s one. That’s all I kind of, I always have the show notes that has stuff like release dates. Yeah. Years, that stuff was made. Kind of like production information. I find all that stuff fascinating.

Ashley (2m 57s):
Yeah, me too. We’re, I guess we’re all a bunch of nerds

Anne (3m 2s):
And I’m like an archivist by like trade. And so I’m like, yes, yes. Let’s talk about dates, let’s talk about records.

Movies That Made Us Gay (3m 10s):
Meanwhile, I have no head for that. Scott will be like, remember when we saw this movie at that one movie theater? I’m like, sure. I guess happen.

Anne (3m 18s):
But also like, I think Ashlyn and I are a mix of that. Yeah. Because I, as Ashley has like the dates and facts, like kind of memorized, but then suddenly I’ll come out with some like random vivid memory of something and it’s like, I don’t, I don’t know.

Ashley (3m 32s):
It’s helpful. We’re a good team, just like you guys.

Movies That Made Us Gay (3m 37s):
Same with us. I think we’re all four of us are, we’re, we work well with each other and that’s why our shows are so successful. Yes.

Ashley (3m 42s):
Totally. Actually, I wanna ask, I’m curious about how you guys have gotten your Patreon so thriving.

Movies That Made Us Gay (3m 49s):
First of all, I am like so proud to say that like everything that we’ve done is completely grassroots. It’s all just like networking and friends and just putting out, I mean, not to pat myself on the back, but putting, just putting out a good product, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And so I think doing things like this, you know, yeah. Collaborating with other podcasts, like-Minded shows, cross-promotion, stuff like that. It’s really kind of spread the word about us. And just kind of being as diligent as we can with socials and just putting ourselves out there. I mean, it could always be better, but knock on wood, it’s as good as it is now. And yeah, we just, we’d love all of our listeners.

Movies That Made Us Gay (4m 31s):
It’s so weird. You know, I, I hesitate and I hate you’re fans. I hate saying you’re fans. I, I hate it. It’s so weird. And you know, when we have guests on, especially when they come to our apartment and we’re like, okay, now we’re gonna do the intro. So look over there, because I, I have to be weird on the mic now. Yeah. All that stuff is so crazy because, you know, we’re just, we’re podcast listeners. We’re enthusiasts. And so we are just like, Hey, we can do it too. And I don’t know, I think just like I said, just trying your hardest to put out as good of a product that we’re proud of and yeah. I don’t know, I guess to pain off somehow.

Ashley (5m 10s):
So Cool.

Anne (5m 11s):
I feel like we identify with that, like that way of going about it. Yeah, a hundred percent. We had this sort of community built in, so we’re like, let’s lean on that community. Let’s put out a product that we would enjoy if we were listening, you know? Yeah. Like Ashley’s always like, I love our podcast,

Ashley (5m 27s):
But I’m like, I listen

Anne (5m 28s):
To this,

Ashley (5m 30s):
I do do a successful

Movies That Made Us Gay (5m 31s):
Show. No. Scott will be editing and he’ll say like, this episode’s really good. And I’m just like, of course it is.

Ashley (5m 38s):
Yeah. That sounds like a really good, I really like this episode. Every time it’s really good. I’m

Anne (5m 44s):
Like, yay. Good. I’m so glad. How do Drewbie Drewbie,

4 (5m 51s):
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5 (7m 12s):
Drew. Barrymore is Amy Fisher. You ever been with an older guy? Unstoppable. Whatever Amy wants. Amy gets insatiable. I love him and I love the sex. I’m dangerous. I’ll do whatever it takes to get his wife out of the way. Don’t start what? You can’t finish. When I know what I want, I go for it. Let me see it. You are a psycho. Don’t say it though. This is getting outta control. The New York Times calls ABC’s the best of the three. Drew, Barrymore, The Amy, Fisher Story Sunday.

Anne (7m 42s):
So we are here to talk about The Amy, Fisher Story. Yeah.

Ashley (7m 49s):
Probably not one of the like top of the list. We gotta get to this movie, but

Movies That Made Us Gay (7m 54s):
We’ve referenced it on our show. Yeah.

Ashley (7m 56s):
That’s why I’m happy that you guys are bringing it to us in a way.

Movies That Made Us Gay (7m 59s):
Yeah. And before we get too into it, I just have to say on the call we have, we have a very special guest on the call. We have Drew here.

Ashley (8m 8s):
Oh my God.

Movies That Made Us Gay (8m 10s):
Well we have Dylan Saunders.

Ashley (8m 12s):
Yes. Did you know that she was just playing with that on the her show this week?

Movies That Made Us Gay (8m 16s):
Was she really?

Ashley (8m 17s):
It’s like the newest thing on their, the show’s. Instagram is her playing with that with Ariana Debos.

Movies That Made Us Gay (8m 23s):
I love,

Anne (8m 24s):
I’m so happy that this is, that Drew is here today. Yeah, her, her presence is definitely felt. It looks like Elle is stunned right now. She, Drew Barrymore has arrived.

Movies That Made Us Gay (8m 37s):
Kathy Griffin. Yeah.

Anne (8m 40s):
It’s really not, it’s really not a good,

Ashley (8m 43s):
It’s got a profile I feel like. And it’s got her butterfly tattoo. That’s most importantly of all.

Movies That Made Us Gay (8m 49s):
It’s got, it’s got the bear more jawline. Like the chin is definitely there.

Ashley (8m 54s):
The hair is wild.

Movies That Made Us Gay (8m 57s):
Insane. Yeah. These burrow curls are outta control. That’s all the character. Dylan Saunders has insane hair. But that is off topic.

Ashley (9m 7s):
I brought my Amy Fisher VHSI was like, I’ll have this behind me. And then I’m like, where am I gonna have this floating? No,

Anne (9m 14s):
I thought for a split second that they were going to pull out the, that

Ashley (9m 18s):
Would’ve been close enough. This is amazing.

Anne (9m 20s):
You know what I’m, I’m so happy that you have that.

Ashley (9m 23s):
I know.

Anne (9m 23s):
I just gotta say, this is making me so happy. Mine are like in storage still in the box. Yeah.

Ashley (9m 28s):
Ours are still in the boxes. Like for

Movies That Made Us Gay (9m 31s):
The first week of the pandemic, when everybody was like in their apartments finding stuff to do, I broke her out.

Anne (9m 39s):
Oh.

Movies That Made Us Gay (9m 40s):
Like I broke her out like week one of the pandemic.

Anne (9m 44s):
Please tell me you made like a movie or something with the doll. Just

Ashley (9m 48s):
Stop motion. Like the Rosie O’Donnell at Flower Films one.

Movies That Made Us Gay (9m 52s):
I feel we might, that one was wild. I feel like we might’ve done a couple of things that might be on the Patreon. I think there’s some like Christmas decoration videos. Yeah.

Ashley (10m 1s):
Oh, I started signing up for your Patreon the other day on my phone and I hit some sort of wall where I was like, I have to do this on a computer. And I’m so glad you reminded me. ’cause I need to do that.

Movies That Made Us Gay (10m 10s):
Well, lemme tell you this much listeners, the new Patreon app, they completely redesigned their social media. The new app is Carbon.

Ashley (10m 17s):
Okay.

Movies That Made Us Gay (10m 18s):
The new update’s kind of whack. Yeah. It’s weird. Anyway,

Anne (10m 20s):
Yeah, sometimes we talk shit about the platforms we used to. Yeah. Like

Ashley (10m 25s):
Being honest,

Anne (10m 26s):
You know, we’re just like make the technology better. Not worse.

Ashley (10m 31s):
Okay. So should we bring it back to Amy Fisher? For anyone who doesn’t know, this is obviously based on real events. I actually said something to my husband, I’m like, oh yeah, we’re doing The Amy, Fisher Story. He is like, what’s that? I’m like, you know Amy Fisher? And he is like, no. I was like, honey, you know Joey Butta Fuco? You know that name? He is like kind of, I’m like, oh my God.

Anne (10m 50s):
That’s what my boyfriend remembered was Joey. And I was like, Buttafuoco. Like, you

Ashley (10m 54s):
Can’t forget that one. But Pete, if I’m remembering right from what I had heard when you guys were talking about it, you like, remember this real time pretty well.

Movies That Made Us Gay (11m 1s):
Oh, I remember this Real, I think, I think I’m the senior member of this group. Okay. This did happen in 91, 92.

Ashley (11m 10s):
92. Yeah. Was when it like came out in the media.

Movies That Made Us Gay (11m 14s):
Yeah. So I’m in the eighth or ninth grade and I watched, the first one that aired was Amy Fisher My Story. Right. And so this is the one that’s Amy Fisher’s point of view. And in that one, they cast a really handsome guy as Joey. Right. Because it’s Amy’s story,

Anne (11m 36s):
Her perspective is that he was the dreamiest man alive. Yes.

Movies That Made Us Gay (11m 41s):
He was starring on the hit a b, c hour long drama sisters. Oh yeah. The, the girl who played Amy was not famous.

Ashley (11m 49s):
Noelle Parker. Right.

Movies That Made Us Gay (11m 51s):
Yes. So I saw that one first and that was the one that I was like, okay, this is the real deal because it came out first in my, and they must have 12-year-old brain. They must have fast tracked that.

Ashley (12m 1s):
Oh, all of them. They came out within a week of each other. I believe

Movies That Made Us Gay (12m 4s):
It was the very next week. It wasn’t like a year later. Yeah. So then the Alyssa and the Drew version, the Real Event night were on at the time on the same night. That

Anne (12m 15s):
Is crazy.

Movies That Made Us Gay (12m 17s):
So I’m watching the Alyssa version and flipping back and forth and all I’m getting is like newsrooms and courthouses and I’m like, I don’t wanna see this. But you were, you were invested with the Alyssa one.

Ashley (12m 30s):
Oh,

Movies That Made Us Gay (12m 30s):
More on the night. On the night. I feel like I watching Alyssa and then the reason I was kind of not into the Drew one because it was from this reporter’s point of view. So I got, whenever I would switch to it, it was always something weird. And I was like, I want Amy

Anne (12m 50s):
More Amy.

Movies That Made Us Gay (12m 52s):
It was just my luck of the draw of changing the channels. Had I started on Drew, I probably would’ve been sucked into that. And not really into that.

Ashley (12m 59s):
You just happened to come in at the bad scenes every time.

Anne (13m 3s):
But

Movies That Made Us Gay (13m 3s):
It’s like, it was always a,

Anne (13m 4s):
But that’s what makes the movie good as an adult now. It’s like, oh, okay. This movie’s actually like attempting to look at all these sides of it.

Ashley (13m 12s):
That’s true.

Movies That Made Us Gay (13m 13s):
They were also trying to do something interesting with storytelling. With storytelling. Yes. I mean, you have to kinda give Andy Tenet, this is kind of a schlocky made for TV movie, but for the most part it’s pretty well put together. Yeah. Like you can kind tell that, oh, he’s gonna go on to have a successful filmmaking career because this movie has, well-directed scenes of it, of kind of when they jump timelines, you get the point of view from the car, you get the point of view from Mary, but Fuko on the stairs. So it cuts together kind of interesting.

Anne (13m 46s):
It

Ashley (13m 46s):
Does, yeah. It’s got an interesting chronological way of like how they tell this story. And then we have to shout out Andy Tenet because of course he came back and directed ever after five years later, which is, I can’t believe it’s only five years.

Anne (13m 59s):
That seems crazy.

Ashley (14m 1s):
But like, it must have been like two decades between those two.

Anne (14m 5s):
No. And do, do we know Ashley if, like, did Drew have anything to do with bringing Andy TenneT on?

Ashley (14m 12s):
I believe so. Yeah. I’m pretty sure she did. Yeah. It’s just like, why would she think of,

Anne (14m 17s):
It’s like such

Ashley (14m 18s):
Weirdly different projects.

Movies That Made Us Gay (14m 22s):
Gosh. So we kind of fell down the rabbit hole of just the whole scandal and Oh yeah, we were watching, I watched it, I watched the entire a and e special.

Ashley (14m 35s):
I started that one actually on YouTube today.

Anne (14m 37s):
Do

Movies That Made Us Gay (14m 38s):
Like true crime stuff. Yeah. I watched the whole special on the Amy Fisher Joey Fuco drama. Okay. So, so my hot take just real quick, is that just like, even if Amy never shot Mary Jo.

Anne (14m 56s):
Yeah.

Movies That Made Us Gay (14m 57s):
Like they’re all pretty terrible, right? Even Mary Jo,

Ashley (15m 0s):
There’s no good side.

Movies That Made Us Gay (15m 3s):
I feel like Mary Jo’s kind of a piece of work. Yeah. Like I, I know she’s, she’s definitely a victim. She did not deserve to be, you know, shot and put through all of that. And her body is, you know, I think the, I think the post Joey Bongo marriage Mary is maybe a little more reflective. I like all of those interviews when she would go on Oprah of like after she divorced him.

Ashley (15m 25s):
You gotta tell us about those. ’cause I’m not that versed in that part.

Anne (15m 30s):
I forgot how many elements of this there are that the mom is weird. That Mary Jo is weird. Like every character is weird. Yeah. So, so tell me more about the like Oprah Mary Jo stuff. ’cause I haven’t seen it.

Movies That Made Us Gay (15m 43s):
So, okay. So the order of the events goes Amy Fisher gets out of jail in 99. She writes her tell all book, like The Inevitable Tell All book that she ends up going on Oprah to promote probably around oh three, I think. And it’s kind of interesting, you can tell that Oprah’s sympathetic to Amy just kind of ’cause clearly like Joey Buttafuoco kind of like took advantage of this sport.

Ashley (16m 12s):
Absolutely. Yeah, definitely.

Movies That Made Us Gay (16m 14s):
So when Oprah starts talking to her about shooting Mary Jo, you can tell that there’s something about the story that Oprah’s not buying that I think that Amy says that she was kind of meaning to hit Mary with the gun and it went off. It

Anne (16m 28s):
Went off,

Ashley (16m 28s):
Right. Yeah.

Movies That Made Us Gay (16m 30s):
But she pretty much said that she went over to kill her. Yeah. So Oprah’s kind of calling her out on which one was it? Inconsistencies of of that. You can tell that Oprah’s a little like impatient with this, with Amy. And then Mary is watching the show and she’s upset and she calls Oprah’s people and wants to go on

Ashley (16m 51s):
What like

Movies That Made Us Gay (16m 53s):
Yeah, like, I’m like, of course you wanna go on Oprah. Yeah, of course you wanna go on Oprah, but Mary wants, here’s my side of the story. Yeah, yeah. I don’t know how she got in touch with like Harpo studio, right. Mary Jo Butta Fuco. All right. Call us up. The name

Ashley (17m 7s):
Will will carry you through. Yeah.

Movies That Made Us Gay (17m 10s):
Kind of the flippant way that Amy was talking about. I didn’t really mean to shoot her that a, that still to this day that Mary Buttafuoco doesn’t buy. Yeah,

Ashley (17m 20s):
I, I don’t know if I buy that either. Yeah. But I definitely think she was, you know, taken advantage of and treated mercilessly by the media, which I like that this version of the movie gets into that. Right.

Movies That Made Us Gay (17m 33s):
Before kind of my big introduction to all of this is that I was a small child when all of this happened. I remember passing references to Amy Fisher when I was a kid. I think that there’s a joke in Adam’s family Values about Amy Fisher. Oh wow. Talking about the psychos, like trading cards when they’re at summer camp. That’s right. One Fisher. So that’s kind of was my main reference for all of this. And then I remember reading the introduction to the screenplay of American Beauty by Alan Ball, and Alan Ball talks about, and his introduction of that, the Amy Fisher, Joey Buttafuoco drama was a big inspiration for writing the script for American Beauty.

Ashley (18m 17s):
Wow. But that’s interesting. That’s

Movies That Made Us Gay (18m 19s):
Sort of the idea is that clearly these are, this is a wild story that the public will ev will never really know the true truth of. And that he kind of wanted to write something kind of like that. And when you look at kind of the bare bones of a script, like American Beauty, you have like the Long Island low lead type I guess. So you have kind of this guy like crisis. Yeah. You get an attempted murder at the end of the movie. I mean, Lester dies at the end of American Beauty. And in the original cut of American Beauty, it would go between Ricky and Janie in jail. Like on trial for Lester’s murder. Like that was the original cut of America.

Movies That Made Us Gay (18m 59s):
Whoa. And then Sam Mendez just kind of rehauled it and post that. It just kind of became something a little different. And I take it that probably the events of something like American Beauty would explode. Like the events that Yeah. Yeah. That it would become like a big tabloid scandal of this man that ends up dead and there’s like an underage girl in his house and maybe done by his daughter’s boyfriend. But yeah, just kind of interesting. That was kind of my main introduction to all of the story. And then when I first started going out with Pete, I think that Pete would just have, I’ve just always been obsessed with it. He’s always just with it too.

Movies That Made Us Gay (19m 39s):
So the three movies, I mean Alyssa and Drew battling it out on the same night on two major networks, Drew actresses whose careers have always kind of Yes.

Ashley (19m 48s):
Yeah. Strange little parallels. The Poison, Ivys

Movies That Made Us Gay (19m 53s):
Child actor Drew did movies and Alyssa did TV and they both kind of had the Wild Girl phase in the early nineties. Yeah. So we found an Esquire article from 2016. Yeah. And it talks about casting Drew in this version. Oh, let’s

Ashley (20m 13s):
Hear.

Movies That Made Us Gay (20m 14s):
Calling it casting a still controversial, still jail bait, Drew Barrymore to play. Fisher is a move straight out of the John Waters playbook and she owns the role.

Ashley (20m 24s):
Love that. When I was younger, I didn’t necessarily look at this time in Drew’s career and be like, Ooh, she is really young and being really treated sexually in the media. But now that I’m older, I do. And so it’s kind of weird to be like, I’m feeling for Amy Fisher being 16, 17 taken advantage as 17-year-old Drew is doing these scenes with this older man. It’s kind of weird

Movies That Made Us Gay (20m 47s):
Body double. I hope that that was a body double because that sexy

Ashley (20m 50s):
Well, we have some info on that. I’ll just jump to that. What happened was she did the love scene. She was clothed. It’s like ten second song. Then they did a scene with the body double and then they released that on video calling it like the uncensored version that couldn’t be seen on tv. And Drew was really upset. I have her quote here. So she said, America thinking that I’m letting this man go down on me makes me wanna vomit. I wish these people would get hit over the head with the two by 4 55 times until they understand what they did was wrong.

Movies That Made Us Gay (21m 26s):
I’m like, okay. So what we saw did not air on A, B, C.

Ashley (21m 28s):
Correct. Yeah.

Movies That Made Us Gay (21m 29s):
This is from the vhs, a VHS pull. Then

Ashley (21m 32s):
Those scenes, the ones, those shots,

Movies That Made Us Gay (21m 36s):
It makes a lot

Anne (21m 36s):
More sense. They were kind of gratuitous and I like almost forgot about them. And then I was like, that’s not Drew’s boob.

Ashley (21m 41s):
Yeah. And it wasn’t a, it wasn’t the wig either, I noticed right away. That’s not that shitty wig. Yeah.

Anne (21m 47s):
It was just to add some spice.

Ashley (21m 50s):
Yeah. And I can understand like, that’s not what she signed up for that that wasn’t what she agreed to film. Like Oy crazy. Yeah. And she’s 17.

Movies That Made Us Gay (21m 59s):
Yeah. She, I mean granted kind of, it’s, it’s topical and it’s a little bit not controversial, but I don’t know she understands that yes, this is The Amy Fisher Story. But she also knows that this is a made for television movie. This is running on primetime on a major network. So no, I don’t have to take my clothes off. And so Yeah. Yeah, I can imagine to see the, you know, the Unrated version on VHS and just like, what in the hell.

Ashley (22m 26s):
Yeah. Especially when they’re like advertising it as like, woo, come see Drew Barrymore. Like, you didn’t see her before.

Movies That Made Us Gay (22m 33s):
So, okay, so I forgot about the accent. Work in this mood finance in, now listen, she, you know, not for nothing. Sh Emmy nominated for Gray Gardens.

Ashley (22m 49s):
Yeah. Yes. Yes. She didn’t win that one, but nominated. Yes.

Movies That Made Us Gay (22m 53s):
Didn’t win that one. She got

Ashley (22m 54s):
The Golden Globe.

Movies That Made Us Gay (22m 55s):
Got got the Globe. And what Martha’s Vineyard is adjacent to Long Island. Right.

Ashley (23m 3s):
Anne, you’re the closest to the East Coast. Let us know.

Anne (23m 6s):
I don’t think that it’s good.

Movies That Made Us Gay (23m 10s):
I mean, I mean she’s going forth though. She’s making choices.

Ashley (23m 14s):
I remember Anne, if you remember Justine and Mel talking about this in one of the, I think it was Celebrity profile, her friends. And Justine just says that is a gnarly accent. I always remember that.

Anne (23m 28s):
I, I guess I can’t necessarily speak to its accuracy, but I feel like what I kept thinking is that it sounds like Drew is talking through her teeth.

Movies That Made Us Gay (23m 38s):
Sure. Yeah.

Ashley (23m 39s):
Okay. So we have a clip of her in 1993 on the very first episode of late Night with Conan and talking about her performance here,

6 (23m 50s):
You of the three Amy fishers. I think yours was by far the best.

7 (23m 54s):
Right. Thank you. No, it was very

6 (24m 1s):
Funny. It was cool. Now I gotta ask you, did you, A lot of actors, when they’re preparing for a role like that with a, a killer or a Murderer, they actually go and meet the person in prison. Did you do that? Because I know,

8 (24m 12s):
Well, let me tell you a little something about Amy. I didn’t get to meet her actually because she was, you know, going through all her court things and being arraigned at the time of the shooting. And it was very nerve wracking to be portraying somebody who was living in the media as we were shooting and Right. You know, trying to pull off the accent and do the whole thing and like, you know, understand everything and sort of come to terms with why she did the thing she did to have the sincerity to play her. But it was, I had to do it. I had to live out that humor I felt for this girl. Right. You

6 (24m 45s):
Know? So you, you didn’t meet with her, you didn’t talk to her, you just studied tapes

8 (24m 49s):
Or I just, I would listen to her voice over and over and over again.

Movies That Made Us Gay (24m 58s):
That was the first episode of Conan.

Ashley (24m 59s):
Very first one. Yes. Yep.

Movies That Made Us Gay (25m 1s):
Wild.

Ashley (25m 3s):
Isn’t that cool?

Movies That Made Us Gay (25m 5s):
I did not know that she was one of his first guests and, you know, putting yourself in Drew’s in Drew’s shoes and like in Drew’s position in the early nineties, it’s just like, what do you have to lose? Yeah.

Ashley (25m 15s):
Oh yeah. She,

Anne (25m 17s):
She wanted to shed this like little girl thing. She wanted to be like, I’m an adult

Movies That Made Us Gay (25m 22s):
Getting opera role. Like Amy Fisher. It’s just, I mean, especially at a time where I think that Drew was, I mean, I think that she was kind of lucky to be getting offers. Like I think that hair was really at a rock bottom and I mean, fuck yeah, I’m gonna do the Amy Fisher made for TV movie.

Ashley (25m 39s):
Yeah. She said she loved the character. Amy was the rarest one for me. Whereas Ivy and Poison Ivy, which I know you guys watched today, was something I created. Amy was an imitation. I was having to do scenes where the entire nation had seen her say these exact words. And then she also said like, it was just such a great challenge imitating a real person and it had to be just right. So that was another reason. She was like, I gotta do this. And it was just like, yeah, like you said, obvious. Like she’s, she has to do this.

Movies That Made Us Gay (26m 8s):
Yeah. Well, you know, we were, as we’re watching it, there’s this scene where there is that kind of surveillance video footage Yeah. About that when that guy sells her out.

Ashley (26m 20s):
Yes. That piece of shit.

Movies That Made Us Gay (26m 22s):
Yeah. And so that’s probably a tape that was on the news, probably verbatim. Probably not. I

Ashley (26m 29s):
Looked for it today actually. I wanted to see if it was that close, but I couldn’t find it. Oh,

Movies That Made Us Gay (26m 33s):
They probably knew that they couldn’t change the dialogue too much because it’s gonna be pretty closely examined. Yeah. Probably had to stick to whatever she said,

Anne (26m 42s):
Which is interesting.

Ashley (26m 44s):
And also like Drew has, so we’ll just kind of give you like a little more background as to what was going on. So she, this is when she was dating, you guys are gonna like this poll. Jamie Walters

Movies That Made Us Gay (26m 54s):
From The Heights

Ashley (26m 55s):
From The Heights and 9 0 2 1 oh Donna Martin’s abusive boyfriend. And they were engaged, of course she’s 17, but they’re engaged. And while they were in Vancouver filming this in late 1992, he broke up with her three days before she was supposed to come back by phone. And she begged him to wait. And when she got back he had moved out of their apartment and this was like a dark time for her anyway, playing Amy. And then this happened on top of that.

Movies That Made Us Gay (27m 22s):
Oh my gosh. Yeah,

Ashley (27m 24s):
She was really broken up by it.

Anne (27m 26s):
Yeah. We had a like a bunch of articles around this time that we were reading and she was just like, I’m so heartbroken, I’m so like, I can’t imagine like, wow. And she’s like, yeah, like 17.

Ashley (27m 36s):
Yeah. Like, it’s

Anne (27m 38s):
Crazy.

Movies That Made Us Gay (27m 39s):
That’s wild. That is. That’s absolutely wild.

Ashley (27m 42s):
We also have a clip of her on, I know you guys love the Rosie O’Donnell show, so we’ve been talking about this on the pod. Rosie’s slowly putting all the episodes on her YouTube. They’re

Movies That Made Us Gay (27m 53s):
All on our YouTube.

Ashley (27m 54s):
Oh my God. So I’ve been waiting for this one. This is from 1999 from April. And this was like my favorite one. I like watching it again now I knew the whole thing by heart because I used to watch Oh my God, on my tape.

Movies That Made Us Gay (28m 6s):
No, I think, I’m sure that I’ve seen this interview. I think I, I probably watched this live. You

Ashley (28m 11s):
Probably did. You might remember the Play-Doh desk. That was like the thing from this one that I always remember. But sh I, as I was watching it, I was like, wait, she’s about to talk about Amy Fisher. I remember this. And so I was like, perfect, we’re gonna throw this in here.

8 (28m 27s):
Yeah. When I was playing Amy Fisher, that was really hard. Yeah. I was in Vancouver, I was all alone. I was playing like, you know, a psycho slut. It was insane.

9 (28m 38s):
A murdering psycho slut. I know. Yeah. She’s getting outta jail, you know? Is she, Mary Jo supposedly forgives her right now. She’s getting outta jail.

8 (28m 45s):
Well that’s full circle. It

9 (28m 47s):
Sure is, isn’t it?

Ashley (28m 48s):
Yeah. That’s nice. Oh, that’s a whole, oh my God,

Anne (28m 51s):
She’s so cute.

Ashley (28m 52s):
Oh, I love that episode so much.

Movies That Made Us Gay (28m 54s):
Wow. Wow. She would’ve been doing Preston never been Kissed. If it was April of 99, then yeah.

Ashley (28m 58s):
Look at. Correct. See, this is why you have my heart Scott. That is like, me too. A I am that person all the time.

Movies That Made Us Gay (29m 8s):
I love that. I also love that Z is just like, oh sure. She’s getting outta jail first. I’ve heard of it. Yeah. Keeping up with Amy just finds out about it all on the show. Yep.

Ashley (29m 18s):
She’s like, gotta gotta move on with my life not holding onto that Amy Fisher stuff

Movies That Made Us Gay (29m 24s):
With Mary Fuko. Like Yeah, that’s real. Is that she kind of like, she made these statements that she forgives Amy that clearly she was like taken advantage of and I mean,

Ashley (29m 34s):
You guys seem to know more. Did Mary Jo like finally admit that the relationship had happened between Amy and Joey?

Movies That Made Us Gay (29m 41s):
I, I think she, yeah, I think she does because he was, he wanna go to jail suspended afterwards for statutory rape and got like seven months or something.

Ashley (29m 50s):
Oh my God.

Movies That Made Us Gay (29m 51s):
Yeah. But I think that the age of consent in New York was 17. Okay. So, and I think she was like months away from her 17th birthday. So it was a whole thing of just like, well, you know, how different was she in the like 50 days? My God. Before she was like a consenting adult and blah, blah, blah, all this like garbage nonsense. And he gets like seven months. Right. And I think it was for like one count or something. Yeah. But she stuck with him through all of that. And I think, I think in the end she was just like, yes, he did. You know, he did cheat on me, did have this affair, whatever. But I, you know what’s interesting about this version because of, you know, with the three and all that is that The Amy Fisher Story is like, he was handsome.

Movies That Made Us Gay (30m 40s):
He was charming. He lured me in and yes, he pushed me into this world of prostitution. Yeah. Right. The the Alyssa version is like, I don’t know her, it’s like the but Fuco endorsed one. Right. Right.

Ashley (30m 55s):
And it’s,

Movies That Made Us Gay (30m 57s):
I don’t know her, who is she though? She’s just, why are you so obsessed with me? She, she keeps showing up to the top Yeah. About this damn car. Yeah. But then, but then this one is just like, yes, she has a pager. Yes. She’s turning tricks. Maybe Joey’s aware of it, but not fully involved in that. Yeah.

Ashley (31m 15s):
They left that kind of vague. Yeah.

Movies That Made Us Gay (31m 16s):
They left that very vague. And so, but they were fully explicit in that yes, he was seeing her, but kind of like not really su super into it. I guess like the her and the tricks thing seems like that was on her in this version. I think so. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He

Ashley (31m 31s):
Like mentions later that Joey got her into it, but they never show it. Right. Yeah. Right.

Movies That Made Us Gay (31m 36s):
IJI just love how everybody was so outraged that she had a pager. I

Ashley (31m 40s):
Know. That was one of my notes, the quote a beeper. Yeah.

Movies That Made Us Gay (31m 45s):
I dunno if you watched the real world. It’s just like, why do you have a beeper? Do you still really

Ashley (31m 48s):
Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh, I totally remember that. That was a big deal. I’m right in between you guys age-wise, so I get all the references.

Movies That Made Us Gay (31m 58s):
Yeah. That was real world season one. That was an old one, but I mean, I had a, I was in high school when people had pagers and Yeah, me too. Yeah. So that was to to to, you know, to me and to listeners already just, just like, why would you be so outraged by it? But I guess at that point in 91 or 92, it

Ashley (32m 17s):
Was too early for somebody that age to have a beeper. No one was beeping. I love you with the like numbers or boobs or

Movies That Made Us Gay (32m 28s):
Yeah, absolutely. A I found it very interesting that this was kind of the split down the middle of who’s kind of side, you know, more objective I guess. Yeah. And you get the tabloid journalist angle from the post,

Ashley (32m 57s):
Which I appreciated. That’s one of my notes is that I appreciate that she’s like kind of saying some of the things that maybe a lot of people weren’t saying back then about like, Hey, this is a teenage girl. Like, why are we,

Anne (33m 9s):
It’s kind of a feminist perspective from that journalist. Like it’s, it’s, it’s kind of cool for, I mean, even when you think about like sex work potentially being like Amy’s own idea. Like, hey, that’s kind of feminist. If

Ashley (33m 21s):
We’re like, coming from the people, why is this becoming like, why is she getting vilified? Right? Yeah.

Anne (33m 26s):
So it’s kind of like, oh, interesting. Like what, yeah. If, if there was an Amy endorsed version, do we think it would be this one? Would she be on board with, you know, being like,

10 (33m 37s):
Talking about Joey? I love talking about

Anne (33m 40s):
Joey. I love that part.

Movies That Made Us Gay (33m 44s):
We just talk about Joey. But Fuco, it’s just like, if you’re really gonna risk at all, are you gonna be doing it for this one Joey Fuco? Oh my

Ashley (33m 51s):
God,

Movies That Made Us Gay (33m 52s):
I don’t know. As

Ashley (33m 52s):
Soon as he comes on the screen and I feel like this guy’s pretty accurate to the real one. I was just like, puke. Like, I can’t, this guy makes me sick. Like, and he’s just flirting with her.

Movies That Made Us Gay (34m 3s):
There’s not any other like, long Island guys in the, in the body chop.

Anne (34m 8s):
I mean like tight, tight T-shirt and like this kind of empty hammer pants. Yep. Yeah. I mean, I don’t know, it kind of got me a little, I’m no, absolutely not. Absolutely not. But I feel like at that time he might have just been so slick.

Ashley (34m 29s):
Yeah, I I mean it could have been a charm thing. Yeah.

Anne (34m 32s):
Good place. And

Movies That Made Us Gay (34m 33s):
It’s time and place too, because it’s the car that she was Dr I forget what kind of car it was, but it’s, you know, it’s a very like Jersey shore, I feel like Long Islands, you know, the Jersey Shore, all that. It’s a, it’s a specific regional thing that, you know, people who look a certain way and they’ve lived a very comfortable middle class life in Long Island. And that was just something that Amy probably just aspired to. Like, she really saw herself living the rest of her life with Joey.

Ashley (35m 0s):
Yeah. I did appreciate like the kind of scene where she goes to her friend’s house and they give her dinner and you can tell she’s just like, this is like what I need in my life. And her, oh my God. The scene where her on Christmas morning and her mom’s like folding all the wrapping paper from the presents to reuse them. Oh my.

Anne (35m 16s):
I’m like, that’s such a cool

Ashley (35m 17s):
Little touch.

Anne (35m 18s):
But I like that touch.

Movies That Made Us Gay (35m 20s):
I was gonna say, the Christmas morning scene was also giving us a little female trouble. That was very John Waters not on Christmas. Dawn, she was gonna knock the tree down on top of her mom and just like stomp on all the presents.

Ashley (35m 33s):
She was just like sitting there. I kept waiting for something to happen too. So all of her little blowups, like, especially at the beginning, I was like, she’s, she looks like such a babe. But she is such a freaking bratt the way she was acting towards her parents. And, and then I was like, this is how Drew was to her mom when she was like 12, 13. And I was really wondering if she pulled some of that. Like, this is how she would act to her mom in real life. Which is so wild to think about. Probably like slamming doors. Like get, you’re not allowed to come in the house. Like she really told her mom what to do at one,

Anne (36m 9s):
But I think that was like, wasn’t she really high too?

Ashley (36m 12s):
Yeah. Or she was pissed that her mom was keeping her from going and getting high. Yeah. But yeah, I thought that was interesting to think about. And then I have, we have a picture of one of the script pages ’cause I’m sure you guys notice how much she plays with her hair in the movie Her amazing wig. Yeah. And in the script it said it called for that and it said it’s as if her hair was an extension of her personality. I thought that

Anne (36m 37s):
Was fun. I did notice actually that the way she was playing with her hair felt like a character thing, not Drew.

Ashley (36m 42s):
Yeah. It’s not the way Drew Drew plays with her hair a lot because

Anne (36m 44s):
There’s a part where she was like putting her hair in a ponytail and she kind of did like a thing and I was like, yes. That, that feels so specific. Yeah. For some

Ashley (36m 52s):
Reason’s. Especially because she does play with her hair all the time. It was like totally different than how she Yeah.

Movies That Made Us Gay (36m 57s):
Right, right. She, she’s going down the very like Eileen Waro, like sure. Glaring out. But I think, you know, there’s those famous shots of when they arrested Amy and she’s in the cutoff jeans and she’s, and she’s coming out the white T-shirt and the white T-shirt and her hair is down over covering her face. And so I think that that I, to me it was like, okay, she, she’s young, she’s a kid. She uses her hair in this famous shot to, you know, to, to shield her face from the cameras. So let’s take that and extrapolate Yeah. And like run with it and it’s awesome. Love that as the character. Yeah. And there’s, okay, there’s two scenes where she goes to confront Mary Jo at the door.

Movies That Made Us Gay (37m 42s):
At the door. There’s the first one where she’s selling candy. Yes. That shot the hair is wild. Yeah. It’s

Ashley (37m 50s):
Is that when she has like under like that with the hat?

Movies That Made Us Gay (37m 53s):
No, that’s,

Ashley (37m 53s):
That’s when she shoots her.

Anne (37m 56s):
It’s like, it’s like rizzi.

Movies That Made Us Gay (37m 58s):
It’s frizzy, it’s down, it’s completely down. And it’s just completely like, it looks like Amy is like, I don’t know, picture day or going to the glamor shots. She’s like, this is her ready to like show the world. And I didn’t remember to me in my head like, I don’t know how, I don’t remember how the events went down and we didn’t watch either versions, but I remembered the whole like selling candy angle and I thought that was when she shot her. So Yeah, I don’t, because like when that scene came up I’m like, oh shit. Like we’re already here. Yeah, yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I was watching a, a news story and they were interviewing that Filipino kid.

Movies That Made Us Gay (38m 40s):
Oh. And he was kind getaway driver. He was kind of reflecting back on it of just like, I don’t know, it’s just like I couldn’t get a clear shot. I’m just not doing it.

Ashley (38m 49s):
That’s why’s the reason

Movies That Made Us Gay (38m 52s):
Back on. Yeah. Helping Amy and he’s just like, I can’t even get a clear shot. It’s like all these, this is whack. I’m not doing it. But all these people in her life just doing these things just ’cause she’s like, just do it. Like, I need a gun. Okay. What, like

Anne (39m 5s):
Who are, I think it’s like, is it like pretty girl treatment or am I putting that on her because it’s Drew like, I don’t know. I mean master manipulator maybe. I don’t know.

Movies That Made Us Gay (39m 15s):
Yeah. Yeah.

Ashley (39m 16s):
That’s how she’s portrayed right? In the media.

Movies That Made Us Gay (39m 19s):
Yeah. Yeah. But but again, like the, the way the media portrayed her was just like so wild at the time. So who knows exactly. Like what Yeah. The real stories. But the real Amy, these interviews are so kind of all over the place. I mean granted the Oprah one was 25 years ago, so it’s like, who knows? But she does seem like, yeah, maybe there is some sort of like, I don’t know, what would you sociopath kind of tendencies there where she Yeah. Manipulating people.

Ashley (39m 50s):
I did like notice when I was watching some of the videos of her back in that time, like she has sort of a vacancy in her face that I felt like Drew captured. Like Drew does not have her normal sparkle in this movie at all. Like she really, no,

Anne (40m 4s):
There are a couple scenes where I feel like I’m like, oh this is really cute. Like there’s like a post sec, the post sex scene where she’s like,

Ashley (40m 10s):
That’s true, you’re

Anne (40m 11s):
Right. And like that looks like Drew. Like it’s, but most of it’s her smile. I know, but most of it, it really doesn’t feel like her,

Ashley (40m 17s):
Which is cool. It’s kind of fun to like have something so outta the box like that. For her

Movies That Made Us Gay (40m 22s):
It was fun today to, to double feature them that we watched The Amy Fisher Story last night. And then I watched Poison Ivy this morning ’cause it had been a while since I watched it. So I, yeah, I sat down and had my morning cup of coffee and I watched all of Poison Ivy

Ashley (40m 34s):
As you do.

Movies That Made Us Gay (40m 37s):
It’s kind of really interesting to see her do these two rolls back to back. Oh yeah. And I forget how good she is in Poison Ivy. Yeah. It’s kind of how really she just really knew that character and that you’ve never really, you’re always kind of on Ivy’s side oddly through

Anne (40m 55s):
Yeah.

Ashley (40m 56s):
Yeah. ’cause she’s so charismatic or something.

Movies That Made Us Gay (40m 58s):
She’s so charismatic and she worked so well with Sarah and you can really tell in that movie that like, this movie was made by a woman. Yeah. Like I, if Poison I do is handed off to like a man, it probably turns a little even more Bemo. Schlocky. Yeah. But it all works though.

Ashley (41m 14s):
I know. It’s so it’s gonna be fun when we finally cover that one, but we’ll have a lot to say. I mean

Anne (41m 18s):
Is isn’t it kind of insane to think like, okay, so this is like Drew Barrymore under 20 playing these like very mature, sexy roles and then the person Drew Barrymore doesn’t even think of herself as like sexy. She’s like, I am just playing a role. Like that’s not me. I get to like pretend I’m that person. And then you look at her and it’s like she knows exactly what she’s doing. You know, like, I dunno. But it’s, it’s amazing to think like, I don’t know, just looking at the person and who she’s portraying and just how like charged she is as those characters. I don’t know how powerful. Yeah. And then it’s like, it’s just this person who thinks she’s a dork. It’s like, what?

Movies That Made Us Gay (41m 58s):
Yeah. I think we might have to pull a triple feature and, and finally finish Doppelganger. Oh, oh, oh my

Ashley (42m 6s):
God. Is it gonna be gun crazy or doppelganger? Those are the other, like from this era doppelganger. Have you guys ever seen it all the way through?

Movies That Made Us Gay (42m 13s):
I have. I’ve seen bits and pieces of it. We live in the doppelganger neighborhood. Yeah. We’re very close to her. We’re very

Ashley (42m 18s):
Close to the apartments.

Movies That Made Us Gay (42m 20s):
We’re about like less than 10 minutes away from it.

Ashley (42m 22s):
Yeah, that is, that is an interesting, Drew’s famous quote on that is, you’d rather stick pins in your eyes than watch that movie.

Movies That Made Us Gay (42m 31s):
Yeah, I watched it on cable. I think it was made for cable and I just

Ashley (42m 37s):
Remember. Yeah, probably.

Movies That Made Us Gay (42m 38s):
Yeah. I just remember like, oh, George Newburn. I love him. He’s so cute. Oh, Drew. I love her. Of course I’m gonna watch this and then just, it’s very LA like there’s a lot of, like they go to this restaurant in MacArthur Park that’s kind of like a famous historic like old like deli diner situation. And, but yeah, the monster is insane. I know they’re trying to go for a very like Vertigo esque kind of situation.

Ashley (43m 4s):
It’s actually supposed to be inspired by breakfast at Tiffany’s. Can you guys believe that?

Movies That Made Us Gay (43m 9s):
Okay.

Ashley (43m 10s):
Alright. And you can, there’s little things where when you know that you’re like, okay. But it’s, I remember when I rented that movie when I was like, so it’d be like 99 when I’m getting into Drew and I have her IMDB printed and highlighting ’em as I go to Blockbuster. And then I must have returned it late. And I was there later with my mom and she’s like, what is this movie? We have a late fee gang evil gangs Doppelganger the Evil within. I’m like, oh, that was me.

Anne (43m 36s):
Evil gangs hold. I forgot. I just, my brain would couldn’t stop thinking about this picture. So I just had to Oh

Ashley (43m 44s):
Darling.

Movies That Made Us Gay (43m 48s):
Well look again with the long dark hair.

Ashley (43m 50s):
Yeah. It’s actually pretty similar in wig to Amy

Movies That Made Us Gay (43m 56s):
And Amy Fisher. You’re welcome. The real hair of Amy Fisher. I mean it’s that type of like mouse brown that like really dirty brown hair. Oh, well, I mean, not to like, like judge hair color, but you know, it’s just that it’s,

Anne (44m 11s):
But not to judge hair colors, but dirty mousey brown. But

Ashley (44m 16s):
They went likey red in the wig. Yeah. There’s like red tones for sure.

Movies That Made Us Gay (44m 22s):
Well I also love the very early nineties kind of makeup styling that brick red Yeah. That she has. And also in doppelganger, I think too, she’s got a very dark red,

Ashley (44m 34s):
A lot of dark lips in the early nineties. I loved all of her wardrobe in this movie. I was like really feeling it

Anne (44m 41s):
Like

Ashley (44m 42s):
Bodysuits and like it was early nineties in an accurate way. Not like in a way you would try to make something look early nineties now. Right?

Anne (44m 51s):
Well

Movies That Made Us Gay (44m 52s):
A fast turnaround of all three of these movies is just Yes.

Ashley (44m 56s):
Mind blowing. It came out January 93. Like January 3rd.

Movies That Made Us Gay (44m 60s):
Yeah. Well

Anne (45m 1s):
That’s

Movies That Made Us Gay (45m 1s):
What Drew was, I think. Was she saying it to to to to Conan of just like, no, I didn’t go to meet her because like, there was no time happening in real time.

Anne (45m 10s):
She literally was in court when we were filming. Mary

Movies That Made Us Gay (45m 14s):
Was shot in May of 92 and the movie came out in January.

Ashley (45m 17s):
Yeah. That’s wild. Right.

Anne (45m 18s):
Well

Movies That Made Us Gay (45m 19s):
First of all Mary Jo, but Fico, I mean regardless of my feelings or anyone’s feelings about her, but this woman is like unsinkable. She gets shot in the head. Yeah. I, and she’s on the courthouse steps giving these interviews. Yes. Grant, she has nerve damage. She has, you know, hearing loss. Her face is partially paralyzed. But this woman is out there and she’s telling her truth. She’s ready for a press conference telling

Ashley (45m 48s):
Her truth. Fiercely too.

Anne (45m 50s):
But fiercely protecting Joey. Well, you know, it’s just like that part me, which is like, okay, okay, is he worth it? Is he worth it? Mary?

Movies That Made Us Gay (46m 1s):
The is we have to, we can’t defend but her,

Anne (46m 4s):
Her

Movies That Made Us Gay (46m 5s):
Conviction to all. To all of it. Yeah. Truly. And just like, like I said, shot in the head, nearly paralyzed, nearly dead. She’s worked on for hours and hours and hours. And like the next day is just like, it was that girl, it was that Fisher girl. You know, you’re just, wow. How, how does this woman just like still out there?

Anne (46m 26s):
Oh my God. Speaking of Drew being beautiful, which is always my input there. The scene when she like is on the lineup and she has to point her out. I was like, oh, Drew looks so pretty. Yeah, there’s a

Ashley (46m 37s):
Lot. I was like, Amy, Amy’s cute, whatever. But Drew’s like really pretty of this. I’m like, she’s a little more pretty than Amy.

Anne (46m 44s):
That’s thing

Movies That Made Us Gay (46m 45s):
Because they got this, what was her name of the, the, the, my story. Noelle.

Ashley (46m 49s):
Noelle Parker.

Movies That Made Us Gay (46m 50s):
No, Parker. And she looks the most like, yeah,

Ashley (46m 54s):
I agree.

Movies That Made Us Gay (46m 55s):
And then you get Alyssa Milano who launched Ariel like straight boy. Like every straight Gen X guy on earth is just like Alyssa Milano first crush right up there. And, and Drew just like this face. Right. They, they got the two of the prettiest, like pretty, they’re just, the both of them are just pretty, like there’s no other way.

Ashley (47m 22s):
You can’t hide it.

Movies That Made Us Gay (47m 23s):
Yeah. I dunno a lot about television life rights when you’re involved in something like this that, like was she just given a, just we want to use your story. Here’s a lot of money. Or were they tied to particular movies? Like, like I don’t know how that works.

Anne (47m 40s):
That’s like interesting. I actually don’t even know like TV

Movies That Made Us Gay (47m 43s):
Rights. I don’t know

Anne (47m 44s):
To have three things. They must have like, you know, they all paid a lot. Yeah. Or it was some batch

Ashley (47m 51s):
Deal.

Movies That Made Us Gay (47m 54s):
Unofficial. And I think the thing with life rights, like you’re saying Scott, like this isn’t like a Janie Glin Janis Johnson situation. Yeah. Because they didn’t put out any sort of product. We’re not licensing any, they have licensed previously. This is just all in the public. I mean, is it pretty much just ABC just saying, we wanna make a story of all these events, here’s a track. I think so. Yeah.

Anne (48m 18s):
Probably. I

Movies That Made Us Gay (48m 19s):
Mean, she would, so she would’ve had to have been paid by three networks then I, I guess

Ashley (48m 24s):
Rent and especially at that time, like who knows how those things worked. I, it’s probably totally different now.

Movies That Made Us Gay (48m 29s):
Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. But I think we’re really lucky with this because of the three with a story, because of the three different perspectives. But with this movie in particular, I just think that Drew is in such a unique period of her career and her life and, and all that. And and like we said, it’s just a few years later, like Wayne’s World is like,

Ashley (48m 53s):
Oh that’s like a second later. Yeah. Same year as this. It came out the same year.

Anne (48m 58s):
Yeah. And I

Movies That Made Us Gay (48m 59s):
Remember as a kid just say,

Anne (48m 60s):
It’s so weird. Look.

Movies That Made Us Gay (49m 1s):
And she looks so, and she’s gets to be Dr. I mean she’s B and Rigan, but she gets to be Drew.

Anne (49m 7s):
She, yeah,

Ashley (49m 8s):
She’s bubbly. So pretty in that scene.

Anne (49m 10s):
Yeah.

Ashley (49m 12s):
I love 93 Drew. She’s like especially gorgeous to

Anne (49m 15s):
Me.

Movies That Made Us Gay (49m 16s):
Yeah. It’s like all, I was a perfect age for Wayne’s World and I remember all my guy friends were just like, Drew Barrymore. Like she’s so pretty. Like they just loved her and Yeah. All my, all my straight guy friends, like to this day like still quote like oh B and Kegan and all that good stuff. But

Ashley (49m 35s):
Are you guys ever gonna cover Wayne’s World? That’s one of the only movies from my childhood that I feel like you guys haven’t touched on.

Anne (49m 43s):
It didn’t make them gay.

Ashley (49m 44s):
Yeah. I’m like, does it count? I don’t know. I’ll

Movies That Made Us Gay (49m 46s):
Gladly be in a throuple or with in like aor relationship with all of the crew members. Oh, that’s true. We love the, we love we love the crew members of Wayne’s World. All the guys that shoot each, all, all those MBOs that all,

Ashley (49m 59s):
All the long-haired metal dudes.

Movies That Made Us Gay (50m 3s):
Yep. That’s, that’s

Ashley (50m 5s):
Close enough. Right? You guys could do episode

Anne (50m 8s):
Not

Movies That Made Us Gay (50m 8s):
Alone. That’s our angle right there. But I mean, and Carrera, I mean I can we could we’ll talk. Yeah.

Ashley (50m 12s):
All just planting a seed for you. ’cause I was like, every movie that mattered to me, I was like, oh no Wayne’s world.

Movies That Made Us Gay (50m 20s):
You know, we, I feel like, you know, ’cause it’s just randomly on television, you know, cable, whatever. It’s always on demand too. Yeah. And I feel like one day I was just watching it and Scott’s like, you just watching, you’re just watching Wayne’s World now. I think I came home from work one night and we just watched the whole thing and just laughed. I love it. Like yeah. It’s Wayne’s world. It’s funny.

Ashley (50m 54s):
All right, back to Amy. And we have a couple notes we wanna just touch on real quick. So Anna and I made the exact same note for our beginning of our notes, like almost verbatim.

Anne (51m 3s):
It’s actually really funny. I,

Ashley (51m 5s):
All I did was I was cracking up. I don’t know, are you guys familiar with Mad Love? Did you guys ever watch that one from 95? I remember

Movies That Made Us Gay (51m 11s):
Watching Mad Love with her and her and Chris O’Donnell. Chris O’Donnell.

Ashley (51m 13s):
Yeah. Yeah. It’s a Drewbie favorite. It touches a lot of people’s souls. But anyway, the opening scene of this movie where Amy’s in the hospital and and I both were like typing this looks just like the scene in Mad Love where she’s in the

Anne (51m 26s):
Hospital. Well and we both use the word reminiscent. Reminiscent

Ashley (51m 29s):
Because we share a brain. Apparently we had to mention that.

Anne (51m 33s):
Yeah. Because I literally, it was like it started and I was like, this really feels like mad love. And it’s weird to think it’s like only a couple years later. Yeah. Which is really strange.

Ashley (51m 42s):
Super weird.

Anne (51m 43s):
Very strange.

Ashley (51m 44s):
And then I also wanna mention all the like prop photos. We love when they Oh yeah. For movies when they take actual photos of the person in character. But it’s not just like a still from the movie. ’cause I hate that. Yeah. So I loved her school picture. I thought it was so cute. And then all of the newspapers, I was sitting there going like, oh, I wonder what happened to all these prop newspapers with Drew as Amy.

Anne (52m 6s):
We need them for the Drew zm, whoever has them.

Movies That Made Us Gay (52m 10s):
I’m sure that Andy, Andy has it in his office.

Anne (52m 12s):
Oh, there we go. We’ll reach right out to Andy and tell him if he wants to donate them, put us in his will for the Amy Fisher story. Prop newspapers please. I’m asking.

Ashley (52m 25s):
I tried to connect with him when we did our ever after episode, but he, I think I sent him a message. He never saw it. So we’ll keep trying.

Anne (52m 31s):
It’s funny how sometimes Instagram has been like amazing for us for connecting. Yeah. And sometimes it’s just people don’t know.

Ashley (52m 39s):
They don’t even see it.

Movies That Made Us Gay (52m 41s):
Yeah.

Ashley (52m 43s):
I’m always shooting my shot though

Movies That Made Us Gay (52m 46s):
Restrictions that it’s like, yes, what it was sent, but I don’t know, maybe did they receive it? I don’t know. Yeah. So that love though, I mean, so this is 95 and this is, you wanna talk about somebody launching a lot of ships? Chris O’Donnell? Yeah. With that Buzz cut ve been on our show.

Ashley (53m 4s):
Same, well Batman Forever, same summer. Like big time for both of them.

Anne (53m 9s):
I think he’s so boring. Sorry,

Movies That Made Us Gay (53m 14s):
He’s duller than like watching the paint dry. A hundred percent. But there’s a very, like there’s a meme that that just goes around on like gay Instagram and like gay Twitter of him in his robin suit saying like, you remember the moment you knew you were gay or like, oh my God. Amazing. The, the new version of it is drag queens reading a story aren’t gonna turn your kids gay, but Chris O’Donnell and Batman.

Ashley (53m 46s):
Absolutely will. That’s so good. Yeah. Yeah. Something about that buzz cut like that’s very, I like really, that’s like a very distinct memory for me. I think I had like a corn pops box where he was like on it as Robin and I cut it out. Oh my God, I’m having weird flash. But I

Anne (54m 2s):
Didn’t know you were such a, I

Ashley (54m 4s):
Wasn’t really but he was cute in that moment. Everybody was into him for a second.

Movies That Made Us Gay (54m 9s):
I, I think that he’s still kind of rocking the buzz cut too. You know, you find a look that works. Just stick

Ashley (54m 14s):
With, can’t blame him.

Anne (54m 17s):
He basically looks the same. He is just like, a little bit like wider.

Ashley (54m 22s):
Yeah.

Movies That Made Us Gay (54m 23s):
It feel like his

Anne (54m 23s):
Face is rounder.

Ashley (54m 25s):
Aren’t we all? And I have to point out something to you to see if you notice this. Okay. I don’t know if you guys know Confessions of a Dangerous Mind as one of our underrated favorites, George Clooney’s directorial debut. The, there it, so when the, the gross guy from the gym sells the tape and she sees it on tv, she does this look, that’s exactly the look she does in Confessions. When she catches Chuck cheating, where she like does a sad little smile and looks down and looks away. I have to make a comparison. I

Anne (54m 57s):
Didn’t notice it. Yeah, you’re gonna have to make a comparison.

Ashley (54m 59s):
It’s crazy. It’s the same angle and everything on her. Anyway, I just had to point that out to Ann ’cause I was excited about it.

Anne (55m 7s):
Yeah, we love that shit. It’s

Movies That Made Us Gay (55m 9s):
A good, but it’s a good look because it’s that like, well, fuck me. I don’t know. You know what I mean? Yeah. You got me bitch.

Ashley (55m 15s):
Yeah. It’s not just like, oh, I’m sad. It’s like, oh God, are you kidding me? Yep.

Movies That Made Us Gay (55m 20s):
I know, but I know exactly the look that you’re talking about. ’cause I, I remember specifically going, all right, I like this choice. I like this choice of, of, of her reaction to just like, dammit. Like,

Ashley (55m 29s):
Yeah,

Movies That Made Us Gay (55m 31s):
Alright. It’s kind of too bad when I’m remembering Confessions of a Dangerous Mind that she didn’t get more critical attention for.

Ashley (55m 38s):
I know. I

Movies That Made Us Gay (55m 40s):
Remember watching an interview with Renee Zellweger, where she was on like a morning talk show or something, and she was just raving about Drew.

Ashley (55m 46s):
Really? Oh, that’s so cool.

Movies That Made Us Gay (55m 49s):
I love Confessions of A Dangerous Mind. Drew Barrymore. It’s one of my favorite performances of the year. But yeah,

Ashley (55m 56s):
I know she was that one’s, it’s one of my favorites. It’s just really, there’s a lot of range in it and yeah, I just, we, we love that movie

Anne (56m 4s):
And a lot of subtlety. Like, I feel like that the, like the way that she, the way that her character is, is very subtle. I don’t know. It’s, I don’t, it also is not very true in a lot of ways,

Ashley (56m 15s):
Which is always fun to see her just being different because

Anne (56m 19s):
I mean, we love her being her, obviously.

Ashley (56m 21s):
Like, I don’t want her to be like that person. Drew Barrymore, I don’t like now.

Movies That Made Us Gay (56m 27s):
Yeah. To me it was just like brown hair in, in riding with cars, with boys. I’m just like, what a change. Yeah.

Ashley (56m 35s):
That one is not a favorite of mine. I am on the record stating that.

Anne (56m 40s):
I feel like there was one podcast we did where you were like, it keeps coming up.

Ashley (56m 44s):
It really does. You were

Anne (56m 47s):
Like mad.

Movies That Made Us Gay (56m 48s):
The most interesting part of her doing the press tour for riding in Cars of Boys is, do you remember when she hosted SNL

Ashley (56m 55s):
Of for that course right after nine 11? It was right after

Movies That Made Us Gay (56m 58s):
Nine 11. And they were advised not to do the show, right? Yeah.

Ashley (57m 2s):
There was The Anthrax scare happen while they were doing rehearsals.

Movies That Made Us Gay (57m 6s):
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and, and if they wouldn’t have done that show, we wouldn’t have like the Wesley Arms hot tub scare. Yes. Be missing out. We

Ashley (57m 16s):
Were just talking about that one.

Movies That Made Us Gay (57m 19s):
Oh my goodness. Wow. Yeah. Iconic.

Ashley (57m 22s):
I love that you guys know that. Oh my God. Yep.

Movies That Made Us Gay (57m 26s):
We’re big SNL fans. I I’m an apologist for this show. I don’t buy into this like, well, I stopped watching on Yeah. This Grow Up. It’s,

Ashley (57m 36s):
That is such a thing. It hasn’t been good since blah, blah, blah. Yeah.

Anne (57m 40s):
It’s like, no, it’s there, there are phases, you know? Yeah. Of when it’s better and when it’s not. It’s like, but no, it’s not black and white. It’s not the old stuff.

Ashley (57m 48s):
There’s no cutoff line.

Anne (57m 50s):
I mean, when I was growing up though, we had a tape of like, I don’t know what anniversary it would’ve been, but we had a VHS tape recorded, I think it was like the 25th Saturday Night Live anniversary or something. And so I watched and re-watched a bunch of stuff from the seventies when I was a kid. I was not getting these jokes.

Movies That Made Us Gay (58m 7s):
Yeah.

Ashley (58m 8s):
I used to watch them too as a kid. They would show it before the new ssn l so they would show like a seventies episode. I don’t know where my parents ever were. I was just like, I’m gonna watch this adult. I was watching Tracy Oman show by myself at like six years old. Like, I don’t know what was happening.

Movies That Made Us Gay (58m 27s):
Old l after the new episode. They would, they would usually do an old one. Okay.

Ashley (58m 31s):
That’s a really late,

Movies That Made Us Gay (58m 32s):
Do you remember who from SNL did the Amy fixture? I, I was kind of wondering if they had anybody else besides her do it. I’m sure that back in like the early nineties, they had somebody beat Amy in a sketch. But it was a, I think that it was around when she got out of prison in 99 and it Sherry o Terry.

Ashley (58m 51s):
Ooh, that’s a choice.

Movies That Made Us Gay (58m 54s):
Amy Fisher with, with Colin Quinn.

Ashley (58m 56s):
How was her? Amy Fisher pretty good.

Movies That Made Us Gay (58m 58s):
Not really. She doesn’t really do the accent. Do that accent. Yeah. It’s a, it’s just like, oh, you’re, you’re outta jail now and what are you, you know what’s going on? And does a couple of things where she’s stable, but then she kinda like goes off and loses it. The

11 (59m 12s):
Long Island Lolita herself. Amy Fisher.

13 (59m 20s):
Thank you Colin. Wow. It is so great to be out. I mean, you don’t know how good it feels to finally put on my old cutoffs and see through Halter Top and stroll around the neighborhood like a regular person. I mean,

Movies That Made Us Gay (59m 36s):
Yeah, but we didn’t, we didn’t really do a deep dive into that. That one just kind of popped up in our YouTube, so

Anne (59m 42s):
That’s funny.

Movies That Made Us Gay (59m 43s):
Yeah. I, I, I don’t remember because I was definitely watching SNL at the time too. Like I, I’ve kind of watched my whole life. Yeah,

Ashley (59m 50s):
Same.

Movies That Made Us Gay (59m 50s):
So yeah. So I, I have vague memories of their being sketches, but I, I just can’t, can’t place them right now.

Ashley (59m 57s):
Now somebody else will be yelling at their radio about how we don’t know stuff.

Anne (1h 0m 3s):
We can’t research every facet.

Ashley (1h 0m 6s):
I can know everything about Drew, but,

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 0m 10s):
But I mean, Drew and I know like that five timers club, you know?

Ashley (1h 0m 15s):
Yeah.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 0m 16s):
How many women are in the five timers club? Not that many. So

Ashley (1h 0m 21s):
I know it’s been so long too. She hasn’t been on a host since 2009, which is just, wow. What’s going on? She’s in New York all the time now. Yeah,

Anne (1h 0m 30s):
They should have her come on.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 0m 32s):
Do you think that she’ll ever get back into making movies?

Ashley (1h 0m 36s):
Oh, that, oh, that reminds me. I have something to tell you guys. Okay, so just this week Ross Matthews was asking her, you know, what would it take to get you back? And she said that she really is talking to Adam Sandler about projects that they’ve been joking with Jennifer Aniston to do a threes company. But Drew said what she wants to do is death becomes her.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 1m 0s):
Oh my goodness. I mean this, this, this death becomes her remake that’s been going around the internet for the past like five years.

Ashley (1h 1m 7s):
But I’m, I’m here for it.

Anne (1h 1m 10s):
But I could, I could see it with Jennifer Aniston Drew and Adam, Adam Sandler Sandler, Adam Sandler. Like it kind of works.

Ashley (1h 1m 19s):
Is it, is this like sacrilegious?

Anne (1h 1m 23s):
No, but I love Death becomes her Me Too. Deeply. Deeply. Yeah. So I’m like, no, don’t do it. But I’m also like,

Ashley (1h 1m 30s):
Ooh, but

Anne (1h 1m 31s):
Hold on. But who’s gonna be the, is it Isabella Rosa? Mm.

Ashley (1h 1m 35s):
Right.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 1m 36s):
We, we need, yeah, so I mean, the big one that goes around on Twitter every couple of years is this image. And it’s been going around for years now. And every time it goes around, everybody jumps in the comments and they’re just like, why remake this? This is terrible. And the image is, it’s usually Anne Hathaway, Kate Hudson, Kate Hudson, and Lady Gaga. And Lady Gaga.

Ashley (1h 2m 0s):
I’m not seeing Anne Hathaway. I don’t get that one. I

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 2m 3s):
Can’t remember who’s the, who’s the, who’s the Bruce? Well, yeah, I can’t remember who’s, who’s Bruce in that one. But yeah, I guess Anne Hathaway would have to be Meryl Stre.

Ashley (1h 2m 14s):
I guess so. Because you gotta have Kate be Goldie, right? Yeah.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 2m 17s):
Kate Goldie. And then I’ve also been seeing this rumor, it’s even trickled up to people like Jessica Chastain saying that I saw something online that people think that we should do a Death Becomes Her remake. What do you think of that Anne Hathaway? So it’s even like the rumor has like where these huge a-list stars are starting to comment on it.

Anne (1h 2m 41s):
Interesting. I’m

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 2m 42s):
Drew and Jen Anniston are in. I’m in. Yeah. Yeah. Get outta here.

Ashley (1h 2m 47s):
Okay. Which part do we want Drew to play?

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 2m 50s):
That’s the question. I think that sh I think they would,

Anne (1h 2m 55s):
I kind of think she has to be the Goldie, but I Yeah,

Ashley (1h 2m 58s):
Yeah. That’s where I go.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 3m 0s):
I, yeah, I think so too. I think they would both be good in either, but I kinda like Jen Aniston as

Ashley (1h 3m 8s):
Madeline.

14 (1h 3m 10s):
I think that,

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 3m 10s):
I think that Jen and Aniston kind of has a more Meryl Streep. I think she as Madeline, I, I would like to see her do Madeline Ashton. Yeah. I, and I think Drew could definitely do Helen. And it’s like, it doesn’t have to be one for one. We don’t, don’t have to do food and we don’t, you know, it doesn’t have to be this like one for one remake. I, I think they could just do something new with these characters, but I don’t know. I like it.

Ashley (1h 3m 36s):
All right. You heard it here first.

14 (1h 3m 39s):
I’m mixed about it.

Ashley (1h 3m 42s):
We’ll all watch it. If it happens though. We’ll say that.

Anne (1h 3m 45s):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, when that came up I was like, Ooh. Like interesting

14 (1h 3m 53s):
Murder mystery.

Ashley (1h 3m 55s):
I haven’t watched that.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 3m 57s):
You watched Murder Mystery? I watched the first one. I didn’t watch the second one, but I thought it was, it was fun.

Ashley (1h 4m 1s):
Okay. Yeah. That’s how I feel like I’ll feel about it when I finally get around to it. Like, oh, it’s fun.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 4m 7s):
You know, Scott And I always say like, what’s your favorite like Adam Sandler movie And it’s like, obviously it’s the, the Drew collaborations. Yeah. Yeah. And I just, I think it’s gotta be Wedding Singer.

Ashley (1h 4m 18s):
Yeah.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 4m 19s):
Because yeah, just because the Hawaii one 51st States States is a little cuckoo.

Ashley (1h 4m 27s):
There are definitely some things in 51st states that I’m gonna be like when we cover that. Like that didn’t age well. Well I feel

Anne (1h 4m 33s):
Like the Wedding Singer is like a good film anyway. And I think 51st dates, like the story’s kind of weak, you know, like, but Drew is very cute in it. And I swear I’m not the shallow swear. She’s so pretty in, it’s so pretty as the Murdering Psycho, not murdering Attempted Murderer 51st States. I love it because it was like, I was, I’m such a fan and I have been a big fan

Ashley (1h 5m 5s):
At that time. Yeah, yeah.

Anne (1h 5m 6s):
I was a big fan through that. So it’s like,

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 5m 9s):
And they just, they work so well together in it. Like it’s just, it’s them. That’s why we love it, you know? Yeah. But it’s like, yes,

Anne (1h 5m 16s):
His,

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 5m 17s):
His character is wild.

Ashley (1h 5m 20s):
Yeah. He’s doing some stuff that you’re like,

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 5m 24s):
What the hell? Yeah.

Ashley (1h 5m 27s):
I definitely think Robbie Hart in the Wedding Singer is a much like more sympathetic character. The wedding singer is what got me in love with Drew. So that’s like always gonna be a special place in my heart. ’cause I was just like, I, that’s it. I love her. I watched her promoting it on Letterman and Rosie and then I went and saw the movie and that was it. That was it.

Anne (1h 5m 49s):
The rest is history.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 5m 51s):
I’m holding out for her to come back to movies.

Ashley (1h 5m 53s):
I hope so. People ask all the time. It definitely sounds like Adam is gonna be the key to getting her back. They

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 5m 60s):
Have a pretty big break with the talk show of that. They have a good, yeah,

Ashley (1h 6m 5s):
It was few months or

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 6m 6s):
So,

Ashley (1h 6m 6s):
Whether or not quite a few months last time. Well, part of that was the strike. We won’t talk about that. But yeah, I think it’s more, she said she just doesn’t wanna be another person. She wants to be her kid’s mom. Like it’s definitely has to do with her kids. But as they’re getting older, I think it’s more and more likely. Yeah. Let’s hope Fingers.

Anne (1h 6m 25s):
I’m excited to see it. I feel like she can’t stay away from it forever. No. You know, like

Ashley (1h 6m 30s):
She’s a very more, give

Anne (1h 6m 33s):
Her a drink and make

Ashley (1h 6m 35s):
Devil. That’s an SNL quote too.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 6m 39s):
Side tangent about the Barry Moores of that ever. We’re in Calvary Cemetery in East la. We go to visit my grandma. We go to visit Pete’s grandma. And if you go in the old mausoleum, ’cause all of the old cemeteries here have an old mausoleum and you can usually walk into ’em if it’s not like Michael Jackson and Glendale or Yeah. You can usually walk into them and you can kind of look at everybody that’s there. And is it Lionel?

Ashley (1h 7m 5s):
Oh

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 7m 6s):
You can visit my grandma. We’re walking around the, the mausoleum because it’s so beautiful and we’re like, I bet you there’s some famous people here. So we find, and I always hop on Google to see what famous people are buried where. So

Anne (1h 7m 16s):
I love it. That’s something to do.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 7m 17s):
We find a couple of Barrymores. I think Ethel is there and I think Lionel is there. And they’re in the mausoleum. So they’re in the wall and, and Lionel is kind of closer to the ground. And as you go up and you look at it, last time we were there, there was big red lipstick, a big red kiss on it. And we were like, it’s true. Do you think it’s true? It’s true.

Ashley (1h 7m 38s):
It totally could be. She kisses her own freaking star on Hollywood Boulevard and that’s pretty nasty. So. Absolutely.

Anne (1h 7m 46s):
Aw. I’m surprised. I’ve never looked it up. I’ve never thought

Ashley (1h 7m 49s):
I know that. I think maybe John’s in Philadelphia. I think that’s where their family is from. So somebody’s over there. So yeah. The other two may be, oh, that’s so cool you guys. Now we gotta go check it out sometime. Yeah.

Anne (1h 8m 1s):
Yeah. Who else would kiss it,

Ashley (1h 8m 3s):
Right? Yeah, that’s exactly gonna, who else could it be?

Anne (1h 8m 7s):
I mean, she feels like she has a connection to this family.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 8m 9s):
She never, and also like Valentino, it’s like a Barrymore. So yeah.

Ashley (1h 8m 13s):
Yeah. Mr. Potter. I don’t think, think like he’s a big heartthrob.

15 (1h 8m 19s):
Well, what’s your point, Mr. Potter? My point, my point is I want to hire you. Hire me. Yeah. I want you to manage my affairs. Run my properties. George, I’ll start you out at $20,000 a year. Yeah.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 8m 34s):
That’s such a Drew move. Like you said, kissing the star and all that. It was very her and it was like, I don’t know how fresh the lipstick was, but it, you know, it was there. You could see it, you know. So

Ashley (1h 8m 45s):
Put some flower beauty on. It’s from like 20 years ago. It’s just like, they don’t, they don’t clean it. You guys, thank you for telling us that. I love when we have a guest that gives us new info. It doesn’t happen that often. So I’m like, yeah,

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 9m 1s):
Just doing the cemetery tour around LA is just so fascinating. Like Hollywood Forever, Calvary Glendale. Yeah. You can see the, the world’s largest painting in Glendale. Oh, of course. Of all, of all like, like tourist traps. Yep.

Ashley (1h 9m 16s):
I’ve only been to the one, is it in Westwood where Marilyn Monroe is? I’ve been to that one. And that’s it.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 9m 21s):
I think so I think

Ashley (1h 9m 23s):
That’s something we should do next time. Ann, we like going to locations. We’ve done a lot of like filming locations. It’s like a whole section on our website. We’re into all that stuff. Yeah. So I was like, oh cool. You live close to where like the doppelganger apartment is. That’s awesome. I’ve never even thought of where that would be.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 9m 41s):
I’ve always wanted to track down that, the mansion from Poison Ivy. ’cause we know, oh,

Ashley (1h 9m 45s):
We’ve been to that. We’ve been, we’ve been, it’s, we probably have the address on our website. We do. Yeah. It looks actually, we’ll I’ll send you guys some pictures. It looks pretty much exactly the same. It’s pretty exciting. It’s really cool.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 9m 58s):
Listen, it’s kind of not too far from where we are too. We’re kind of in the middle of Silver Lake. Let’s feel us in Hollywood. So we’re, yeah, so we’re kind of centralized and I mean, movie locations, we were, you know, like we said, we lived in Pasadena and South Pasadena. We would have, we would take friends to, you know, go see the, like Halloween. I can give the full Halloween walking tour. Yeah.

Ashley (1h 10m 19s):
Nice. So fun. I love that. That is awesome. You guys probably have visited my friend Lindsay’s website. I am not a stalker.com. Yes, she has. Yeah. That’s Lindsay’s Lindsay Blake, she’s our buddy. She’s helped us with a lot of locations. Yeah, she’s like the master a

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 10m 34s):
Lot when you look up. Yeah, she, yeah, I, I, I just found, stumbled upon her website. Just looking up. Yeah,

Ashley (1h 10m 40s):
Me actually, she’s another one that I found and I was like, I love everything you do now you’re gonna be my friend. And I made her be my friend. Just like you guys.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 10m 51s):
I’m

Ashley (1h 10m 51s):
Not Aer very sure. Yeah, Ashley is an active stalker, but she makes herself known, so it’s okay. I’m friendly about it. Yeah. A very friendly stalker. She does exactly how to find the people she loves and wants to make her own. Thank you. Alright, do we have anything else we wanna say about The? Amy Fisher Story?

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 11m 14s):
I do.

Ashley (1h 11m 14s):
Okay. Let’s hear it.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 11m 16s):
I’ve always kind of wondered of looking at somebody like Ryan Murphy. Do you think they would ever dig up The Amy Fisher Story and do a new miniseries? I don’t know if it would be like American crime story, Amy Fisher. If it would just

Ashley (1h 11m 32s):
Be, yeah.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 11m 33s):
Do you think these events are worth taking another look at now if you were to do a new miniseries or something?

Ashley (1h 11m 41s):
I could totally see that and I could definitely see it like, even more so with the angle that this one sort of took with the journalist. Like really looking at it again from the, a new lens of like, this was an underage girl and this is how she was treated. Like, it could be really interesting.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 11m 57s):
You could get all of the sides, you could get Mary Jo’s side, you could get stuff with Joey. I, I just, all of these guys that she tried to buy these guns off of that got drug right. Got dragged into this. I think it would be interesting. And also Mary Jo and Joey’s kids are Yeah. Like all our ages. Oh

Ashley (1h 12m 15s):
Yeah.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 12m 16s):
They’re closer to my age and they’re grown now. So it’s like, you know, they would’ve been children at the time, but still kind of aware of everything that was going on, especially with movies and things. What a trip. So they, they would be an interesting kind of angle to get to, to talk about. So yeah, I think that there’s definitely, there’s a, people of a certain age may be unaware of this, I think. Yeah.

Ashley (1h 12m 40s):
Or my husband who’s not even of a certain age. He’s, he’s not way younger,

Anne (1h 12m 44s):
I promise. I like how in the movie they had someone like outside the courtroom that’s like, who’s

Ashley (1h 12m 49s):
Amy? Yeah,

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 12m 52s):
That’s right. No,

Anne (1h 12m 56s):
Doesn’t ring a bell.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 12m 58s):
Those huge tabloid stories at the time that just got kind of lost with a generation and a half that nobody really anymore.

Ashley (1h 13m 6s):
No, I really like in my memory, so I was 10 and I just roll this in with Tanya Harding and Yep. Lorena Bobbit. Like this is, it all was like the same time. It’s like tabloid tv craziness. And then OJ happened and it was

Anne (1h 13m 24s):
OI was just gonna say for me, I feel like I remember OJ more than any of the other ones. Yeah. I’m like slightly younger. So I guess it like makes sense just a couple of years later, I don’t know.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 13m 33s):
And I, I think I was at the stage, I, I watched a lot of tv, same

Ashley (1h 13m 39s):
Too much

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 13m 39s):
TV and I was watching SNL and Late Night and all that stuff. So I feel like, you know,

Anne (1h 13m 46s):
The commentary

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 13m 48s):
Yeah. You know, the hosts, late Night hosts at that time, I don’t think there were, there was a lot of scrutiny of the jokes that they were making or just kind of nobody in the writer’s room just being like, you know, I know this is kind of a crazy story, but maybe we shouldn’t be making jokes about this girl that’s 17. Yeah. Yeah.

Ashley (1h 14m 8s):
That was not a thing at all. They didn’t care.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 14m 11s):
And I think, you know, I think Letterman of course, has kind of been somewhat put through the ringer for kind of the way he treats women and, you know, some of his interviews and things like that. I feel like Jay Leno’s come out of all this kind of smelling like a rose and he wasn’t exactly, you know, a Boy Scout.

Ashley (1h 14m 27s):
Yeah. Wasn’t that, wasn’t that in Pamela Anderson’s documentary? I think there’s a thing with Leno where she really had to like kinda set him in his place.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 14m 36s):
Yeah, absolutely. Documentary was so good.

Ashley (1h 14m 39s):
It was really good.

Anne (1h 14m 41s):
I didn’t see it.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 14m 42s):
Oh, it’s great. But yeah, I do, I think it would be very interesting to see, or even if it was just like, I don’t know, just like a Hulu kind of like the Lorena Bobbit thing or that that was Amazon Prime. Yeah. I think that was Prime. But yeah, any kind of a documentary that has news people now reflecting on it. Yeah. Yeah. Which is always kind of, I

Ashley (1h 15m 4s):
Like it, you know what, this is what happens though. We’re gonna talk about it and then all of a sudden next week we’re gonna find out something’s in the works and we’ll be like, see.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 15m 14s):
Yeah. Yeah. That’s, that’s the biz.

Ashley (1h 15m 18s):
I am really glad that you guys like provoked us to rewatch this though. It had been a long time for me, but I still remembered so much of it. I was like, I guess I watched this more than I thought I did.

Anne (1h 15m 28s):
And on the flip side, I felt like I hadn’t even seen it. Yeah. Maybe once. Like I was like, amazing. I don’t remember this at all. Like her getting the car, like, I’m like, I don’t remember this scene at all. And her name is spelled a, I I know E because that all

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 15m 43s):
A pin striping on the car with her name. Oh my gosh.

Ashley (1h 15m 48s):
So nineties. But it was so fun to just like, again, see Drew be in this era of her career, which is always fascinating. And then be so not herself and not resting on being likable, which is something that she has been accused of and is even said that she does. And Amy is not that here. I did have a one quote from ID magazine. I thought this was cool. They said A Drew is, Amy is magnificently real, trapped, hurt, lonely, and morally vacant. I’m like, yeah, I see that

Anne (1h 16m 21s):
Accurate.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 16m 21s):
Yeah. That’s the thing. I feel like it was such a departure for her. And it’s like, I think, you know, for I, for a kind of a general audience, maybe somebody who’s doesn’t do the, the deep dives that the four of us do, I think, you know, you kind of have this idea of this character that she plays and you know, this just bubbly flower girl kind of a thing. And maybe it wasn’t until something like Great Gardens when people were just like, wow, maybe she really can do, do a little bit more. But for this being so early in her career, it was like, yeah, I don’t remember it being this much of a departure. Wow. I was just like, wow, she’s really, she’s really creating this character.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 17m 2s):
And I mean, for, for better or for worse, you know, what’s going on with the, the accent work. But you know, because we did watch so much of like news, they really did talk about it. Yeah. Like everybody,

Ashley (1h 17m 17s):
They all sound like caricatures.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 17m 20s):
The kids like the grown, they all have, this is a thick accent. And I don’t know if it’s the same town Massapequa, where Amy, where The, Amy, Fisher Story kind of took place. But I know Rosie O’Donnell and she always talks about how she grew up in the same neighborhood as the Baldwins Alec and Oh wow. His brother and I don’t, and maybe Massapequa it maybe the same neighborhood in Long Island. Yeah.

Anne (1h 17m 46s):
Oh, interesting.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 17m 47s):
Yeah. But it might be a, a neighboring one right around there. There’s like Comac and, and and Massapequa and then there’s, I mean, Montauk is further out, but yeah, I know that, that Rosie and the Baldwins weren’t pretty much neighbors and I think it was in the general vicinity and Rosie obviously has a different accent. Yeah. But there, you know, yeah. But yeah, all that stuff is just like, for her being 17, like, wow. Like that’s, that’s amazing. Like Jesus and, and to knock out these three in a row, she did what was the one right before this?

Ashley (1h 18m 22s):
So she did Poison, Ivy gun, crazy doppelganger this and then Bad Girls. So that was her little streak of bad, bad girls. Bad

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 18m 31s):
Girl. Oh man. Bad girls in years.

Anne (1h 18m 36s):
Yeah.

Ashley (1h 18m 37s):
Another one that’s not that great. But it’ll be fun to revisit.

Anne (1h 18m 41s):
Yeah, totally. And like you said,

Ashley (1h 18m 43s):
Actually you guys wanna come back for bad girls, just let us know.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 18m 47s):
And eyebrows in the wild, wild West.

Anne (1h 18m 49s):
Oh

Ashley (1h 18m 49s):
Yeah. Perfectly curled beautiful hair. But I am so thrilled that you guys came on. I appreciate you letting me stalk you and befriend you. And coming on the show is a true, like really exciting honor for me personally, so thank you so much.

Anne (1h 19m 8s):
Yes, thank you.

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 19m 9s):
Thank you for having us. And thank you for, for just like gassing us up on your show. Yeah. Like all of the shout outs we’ll have you on. We’ll have you on ours next year when we start recording new episodes. Absolutely.

Anne (1h 19m 19s):
Awesome.

Ashley (1h 19m 20s):
You heard of Hair first?

Anne (1h 19m 22s):
I’m excited. Thank you. Coming with all of the, the facts about Amy and stuff that like Yeah. And you guys like, I don’t know, you added this richness, this like lovely whipped cream on top of our just Drew,

Ashley (1h 19m 39s):
The whi cream and the cherry from you guys and where just the little chocolate Drew cake or the lasagna she threw away. Oh, I was so upset about that.

16 (1h 19m 49s):
Hi. I made dinner.

17 (1h 19m 52s):
Yes. I see.

16 (1h 19m 53s):
I know it looks big, but the rests for 10. Oh,

17 (1h 19m 56s):
It smells delicious, honey. How much cheese did you use?

16 (1h 20m 1s):
I don’t know, A couple of pounds or something.

17 (1h 20m 3s):
Oh, you know, sweetheart, we have to be careful when we’re cooking for your dad because it’s cholesterol who said he had to eat any,

Anne (1h 20m 9s):
I would’ve ate the shit out of that lasagna.

Ashley (1h 20m 12s):
I was like

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 20m 16s):
Worths. I know how lasagnas and expensive. How

Anne (1h 20m 20s):
Much cheese did you put in there?

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 20m 26s):
This was a pleasure. You guys are great. Thank you so much. Thank you for Thank you.

Ashley (1h 20m 29s):
Thank you.

Anne (1h 20m 31s):
All right everybody.

Ashley (1h 20m 33s):
You guys know what to do and you know where to find us. And if you don’t go listen to the last episode, we’ll tell you at the end of that one.

Anne (1h 20m 39s):
Yes. And where should people find you guys

Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 20m 42s):
We’re movies that made us gay. We are on, I mean we’re on everything. We’re on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, which I guess is now X blue sky. We’re all there movies that made us gay. Yeah. And we’re on pretty much every podcast listening Yeah. Platform. You can download an episode, you can download us. Yeah. If you, if you have an it’s pre-installed, otherwise Spotify. So yeah, go look

Ashley (1h 21m 5s):
For us. Or you can download 300 episodes like I practically did. Yeah. Okay. I know you don’t have that many more like probably 45.

Anne (1h 21m 13s):
Okay. You

Ashley (1h 21m 14s):
Guys were my top podcast on my Spotify wrapped. I found out yesterday. So,

Anne (1h 21m 19s):
All right everybody, check out movies that made us gay. Thank you so much for staying till the end and we’ll see you next Tuesday.

Ashley (1h 21m 26s):
Thanks guys. Bye-Bye.

Anne (1h 21m 29s):
Bye. Bye.

18 (1h 21m 32s):
You said we’d always be together. I never said that. You know, and if you need some time because it’s Christmas and stuff, I understand, just don’t say it, so don’t say it’s over. Don’t ever say it’s over.

Anne (1h 21m 60s):
This episode of the How Do You Drew podcast was researched and produced by Ashley and Anne from thedrewseum.com with help from our sponsor. Positive medium.

Ashley (1h 22m 9s):
Special thanks to Matt Costa for our lovely theme song, Roxy Prima, for our adorable logo. And last but not least, Drew, Barrymore and all the Drewbise who love her, we do this for you.

Anne (1h 22m 20s):
Thank you.

Episode 062 - Guest: Tony Crago Returns! - Transcript

Please note that this transcription was automatically generated and is currently unedited.

Anne (24s):
Okay. Woo

Ashley (25s):
Woo. Hello and welcome to How Do You Drew.

Anne (29s):
This is A Drew Barrymore Podcast, brought to you by the Drewseum dot com

Ashley (34s):
And sponsored by our friends at Positive Media.

Anne (37s):
I’m Anne.

Ashley (38s):
And I’m Ashley.

Anne (40s):
And hello. Hello

Ashley (42s):
Friends.

Anne (42s):
Welcome to the just Post Thanksgiving episode.

Ashley (47s):
Welcome to the Just Post You Hanging Out with Drew episode. If you guys didn’t hear that, that’s not an exaggeration. Anne and Drew hanging out, episode 61. Go check it out.

Anne (57s):
Hung out for a split second. It was pretty exciting guys.

Ashley (59s):
It was more than a split second, let’s be honest.

Anne (1m 1s):
Pretty exciting guys.

Ashley (1m 3s):
And you know what that reminds me? When Mila, my daughter, sent in the drawing for Drew in the first season of the show and Drew was reading it, my little letter that I sent with it, she goes, Ashley, don’t be a stranger. We’ve hung out many times. Like, oh

Anne (1m 19s):
Yeah,

Ashley (1m 19s):
I get, yeah. Something like that. Yeah.

Anne (1m 21s):
Many times in our dreams. Also. Also,

Ashley (1m 25s):
Also, yeah, I’m happy to not be a stranger. Drew just in come send me an invite. Here I come.

Anne (1m 32s):
We’ll be right there. Anytime. Anytime with bells on. Yep. Okay. So right at the top, we’ve got one of our favorite segments. So can you tell me about what Drew proclaimed her love for this past week? I love, love.

Ashley (1m 45s):
Let’s do it. Okay. So Drew loves to drive fast. We knew that.

Anne (1m 50s):
Yeah. He

Ashley (1m 51s):
Loves a gravy boat.

Anne (1m 54s):
I do too. It’s such a like specific little thing. It only comes out a couple times a year. Right?

Ashley (1m 60s):
She loves mustard. Same,

Anne (2m 2s):
Same, same, same

Ashley (2m 4s):
Horse radish. Not same.

Anne (2m 6s):
I think I need to experiment more with horse radish.

Ashley (2m 9s):
And then, did you know that Drew loves celery?

Anne (2m 12s):
I, I don’t think I realized just how much she loved it.

Ashley (2m 16s):
Let’s take a listen.

Anne (2m 18s):
Let’s hear this. Drew loves celery

3 (2m 21s):
Love, love celery. Clearly

Ashley (2m 25s):
That was one of her most passionate proclamations ever. I think.

Anne (2m 31s):
Oh my

Ashley (2m 32s):
Goodness. I also threw in a bonus hates because we love when Drew’s mad about something. She says, no thank you on garden knobs. Nothing pisses her off more than a garden gnome.

Anne (2m 44s):
What did she explain? No,

Ashley (2m 46s):
No explanation. I love that. Nothing pisses me off more than a garden gnome. Nothing.

Anne (2m 55s):
Nothing pisses me off. Alright, so how about our

Ashley (2m 59s):
Drewism of the week?

4 (3m 0s):
Oh, someone’s picking up, you know, those cool little isms that we do?

Ashley (3m 6s):
I’ll set it up context wise. So Drew had these two lovely security women from, what is it called? The Met Arena. Anyway, wherever she saw the Taylor Swift concerts, like a New Jersey or New York. And she made friends with these two women who were working security there. And Drew kind of told the story of how they became friends. Okay, let’s hear it.

5 (3m 26s):
When you came in, you just, the whole world just lit up When I saw you Truly.

4 (3m 31s):
That’s exactly how I felt about you guys. Like I really did. I just, I felt like we avatar tailed and we sort of plugged in and had this great connection. Yes.

Ashley (3m 45s):
I love it. So cute. I love when the Drewism includes a sound effect. Yes. As they often do. It’s, it’s whatever way she’s expressing something. Using like words or adjacent to words. Yeah. Sort of words. Yeah. Alright. Should we talk about some of the mail we got this week?

4 (4m 8s):
You’ve got mail.

Ashley (4m 10s):
I actually pulled two because I was just feeling it. Yeah. We have Catherine on Facebook after our episode last week about You’re going to the show. She had a really nice response. I’m gonna read it to you. Okay. She said yes and a bunch of hard eye emojis. How exciting. So happy Drew knows about the pod now. Hopefully a guest appearance crossed fingers. Yes. We are on the same page as you, Catherine. Yes. All of the fingers crossed all of the toes crossed. Yep. Putting it out there. Putting it out there. I mean, you know, we’ll keep you all in the loop if you’re regular followers. You know that we don’t hide much.

Ashley (4m 52s):
Okay. So what else did you pull? We also got a really lovely comment on our 1995 year in review episode page. That’s our episode 14. So Yolanda left us a wonderful comment there. Okay. I’m gonna go ahead and read it and we’re just gonna go for it unedited. ’cause this whole thing is just sweet. Hi Anne and Ashley, this is Yolanda again. Slowly making my way with catching up on the podcast. I hope it’s not too obnoxious to leave comments on old podcasts, by the way. It is not. Not. And we love it. Do it more everybody. Anybody. Always. Yes. But I had to on this one because, hello. 1995 Drew. Yep. I think this is my favorite era of Drew because it always brings back a magical time period in my life personally as well.

Ashley (5m 38s):
Being a teen in the nineties was truly so fun and magical. And Drew just represents that so well in 95, 96. I totally feel that. Yeah. Oh my God, I have such intense mid nineties nostalgia. So she says, going to grunge alternative concerts and just the free-spirited grounded raw energy of the time.

Anne (5m 57s):
I remember soaking up that Rolling Stone magazine. Drew seemed to be everywhere more than ever at the time. Totally. We’ve talked about that being like one of the Renaissances.

Ashley (6m 7s):
Yep.

Anne (6m 8s):
And I’ll let you take it from here. Okay.

Ashley (6m 10s):
And I totally relate to this, so it’s a great place for me to jump in. You Yolanda continued. All I watched was MTV back then. Shocker. He, he and looked at Rolling Stone and all the teen fashion magazines at that time. Sounds like my life. And she seemed to be everywhere and I just soaked it up. I remember also being jealous in a good way of Drew at that time because my friends and I were so into the Riot Girl grunge scene and Drew a smack dab in it all. Yeah. I also remember all the cool nineties dresses, ex girl shirts and chokers I used to have that I got rid of, which I regret so much now I could go on and on about this year. But just the feelings of being a wild and free teen back then just will always bring back such an indescribable feeling.

Ashley (6m 53s):
And this era will always be part of my memories of being a teen back then. I remember Drew really showing up more than she ever had before. I agree that this was a turning point in her career. Also, definitely enjoyed reliving these cherished memories through your podcast. Thank you.

Anne (7m 8s):
And thank you Yolanda. Like we live for somebody. Being able to like tap into an emotional, you know, memory thing for themself as well as being able to be like, yeah, Drew. Like this is, yeah, this is what we do this for. So

Ashley (7m 22s):
I think that that’s definitely like one of our themes of this podcast is nostalgia. We can’t really help it. Ah. And nineties, if you were a teen back then, you guys know, you understand Yolanda’s totally describing exactly what a lot of us feel. Yes.

Anne (7m 38s):
So good. Totally. Like even though we weren’t in it in 95,

Ashley (7m 43s):
Not in the Drew world, but I was way in the MPV Rolling Stone magazines. That was like all my life. Yeah. That’s all I did back then.

Anne (7m 53s):
My nostalgia is sort of like wishing that I had found it earlier,

Ashley (7m 57s):
You know? I love that.

Anne (7m 58s):
But we’ve got nostalgia up the wazoo, just like many other

Ashley (8m 1s):
Things.

Anne (8m 2s):
Okay. So what was Drew doing this week in history?

Ashley (8m 6s):
Okay. I was excited when I found this because she actually just talked about this recently. Oh cool. So we’re gonna set it up and then we’ll play the clip. So November 29th, 2002, Drew attended a Rolling Stones concert at the Hard Rock Hotel here in Las Vegas. By the way, that does not exist anymore. Oh

Anne (8m 27s):
Yeah, of

Ashley (8m 28s):
Course. It’s now the Virgin Hotel. But she attended it with Cameron and Lucy. Of course. This was like, I think they were in the middle of filming full throttle. So they totally have that look. They’re all wearing News Boy caps, which is hilarious. Couldn’t be more 2002.

Anne (8m 44s):
I didn’t even realize it. Drew’s got the big star on her cheek. Yes.

Ashley (8m 48s):
Which we’ve talked about. And

Anne (8m 50s):
It’s like big, it’s like when she really went diving in on drawing on the face.

Ashley (8m 53s):
Yes. She’s wearing a tie. Like this is total the early 2000 style. Yep. I did notice in a couple pictures in the background, you can barely see him, but Drew’s old, old, old friend, Brent Bolthouse was also there, which is fun. Oh cool. But anyway, so she had Hillary Duff on the Drew Barrymore show recently and they were discussing early two thousands styles. The funny thing is, this was the only one they showed of Drew that actually was from the early two thousands. The rest were from the nineties. Oh my God. Of course. You know me. I’m like, that’s from 1993. What are we talking about here? Oh my God. But this one was great. And Drew talks about that night Scar

4 (9m 29s):
On your face. I was going to the Rolling Stones concert in Vegas with Cameron and Lucy. Aw, fun. Yes. And I got way too drunk and was in the hallway late that night going, I’m an independent woman. And they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Get in the room.

Ashley (9m 54s):
Anyway, I thought that was really fun that she was so candid about that night. Yes. And you know, I’m, I’m happy to hear stories about when she did drink though. We know that she’s made a conscious decision not to. Yeah. But good that she can have a sense of humor about those times. Absolutely. I’m an independent woman I know, which I love little Charlie’s Angels in joke there. Yes. Okay, so before we get into our fun topic for the week, what’s new with Drew? Okay. Not too much, but we do know that she went to Nashville and it was to interview Dolly Parton, which is pretty cool. That’s cool. And I was kind of giggling to myself.

Ashley (10m 34s):
Hopefully we’ll get some sort of stories about this. But we know that she went to Dollywood with Nancy Jaan right before she was gonna start filming Home Fries in 96. So what if she shared some of those photos? Photos we’ve seen some. Remember she’s the black hair and she’s like on rides and stuff. I guess we’ll have to share one in this episode, but I hope that she shares more. That would be so cool. I hope that she talks about that. Me. That would be really cool. Me too. So anyway. Oh, and this is just a fun thing if people don’t know this, I think we’ve mentioned it before, but when she was in Dollywood, she got a necklace made that said Sally is like kind of part of her prep for home fries. Oh, so cute. I love that so much. So while she was in Nashville, she did her thing, and we’re gonna talk about this later too, where she was out in public and handed out Drew magazines at a coffee shop.

Ashley (11m 21s):
There is a video on Drew’s Instagram of her doing this, which is so cute. We’ll share the link in case you guys missed it. Yep. And then an Instagram user at Staria Clark, she posted a really cool picture of her and Drew with a really sweet caption kind of explaining what happened. Yeah. So I’ll go ahead and read the caption. I was sitting in the Thompson Nashville, which is a hotel having a morning coffee business meeting. And this woman comes up to me, hands me a magazine and goes, here’s a magazine just in case you need something to read. It took me a minute to register that It was actually Drew

Anne (11m 53s):
Barrymore. She hopped around the lobby and the coffee shop passing out copies of her magazine and taking pictures with people. What a beautiful person with bright, strong, loving energy. Such a cool celebrity sighting.

Ashley (12m 5s):
Love that.

Anne (12m 7s):
We love this. Yeah. And then as you’ll hear when you get into the main part of our episode, we talk a little bit about how Drew has continued to pass out copies of her publications as she had since the beginning of Flower Press.

Ashley (12m 20s):
I love the consistency.

Anne (12m 22s):
Yes. Okay, so now you read the title of the episode, you know that we have our friend Tony Craigo back on the episode. And you may have seen, for those of you who submitted questions on our Instagram, make sure you listen for your question here. ’cause I believe we used almost all of them. So

Ashley (12m 42s):
Yeah, we had some great ones. Yeah.

Anne (12m 44s):
So we had a great time talking to Tony. So here’s our conversation. Okay. Tony, welcome back to the height of your Drew pod. Tony.

Tony (13m 6s):
Thank you. It’s so good to be back admission ladies.

Ashley (13m 10s):
Yeah. You know what, you’re our first repeat guest ever.

Tony (13m 14s):
Ooh. Really? Isn’t

Ashley (13m 15s):
That cool? Yeah.

Anne (13m 17s):
And you said at the end of the first one, like, I’ll come back. So we’re like, we’re gonna take you up on that.

Ashley (13m 23s):
It took us a minute, but

Tony (13m 25s):
I had such a good time. And now look at you guys. You guys are, how many episodes in, you’re like, oh

Ashley (13m 29s):
This is, oh my gosh. 62. Yeah. That’s wild. You were on our episode 13 originally. So yeah, lots of time has gone by. We’ve done a lot.

Tony (13m 39s):
That’s cool. Woo, congrats. Congrats.

Anne (13m 43s):
Thank you. And thank you for all your support.

Ashley (13m 46s):
We actually gave you a thank you shout out in our last episode. So you’ll have to go listen to why.

Tony (13m 51s):
Oh, okay. Go.

Ashley (13m 53s):
Yeah, it was for, well it was for connecting us with Drew’s current assistant and helping Anne make that a fun adventure in New York. So that’s all kind of things to you.

Tony (14m 4s):
Yeah. Christina’s the best.

Ashley (14m 6s):
Yeah, we really appreciate it.

Anne (14m 7s):
We’re just learning how awesome she can be. Like we’re finally, we’re finally in.

Tony (14m 15s):
I know. She’s great. She is like, she takes on a lot. She’s always like, come back, come back. Help me. Aw. Like, oh, if only you we’re in New York.

Ashley (14m 24s):
I wish. Yeah. Well that’s actually, this was my question. Do you wish that the show and like Barrymore brands and all that were based in LA

Tony (14m 34s):
Oh yeah. A thousand persons. I, I don’t know why. I mean I know why she moved, but like it’s just like New York. No, but I mean they’re all thriving so I’m happy for them, but no, yeah, yeah. Was still all LA based. ’cause we’d all still be one big happy family. However, Christina May not be there. So everything happens for a reason.

Ashley (14m 53s):
That’s true. Yeah, it’s true.

Anne (14m 55s):
It had to happen so she could get that opportunity to be in the world to, to be brought into the fold, which of which we will all be brought into eventually. Hopefully.

Tony (15m 7s):
Yes. Selfishly. Selfishly I wish everyone was in la. Yeah.

Ashley (15m 12s):
Yeah. Makes sense.

Anne (15m 13s):
Yeah. I re-listened to our original interview with you and you said, yeah, Drew said she’d be pulled out of her house with a body bag. Oh.

Tony (15m 22s):
Say that’s not,

Anne (15m 24s):
I guess she’s dead now. I guess. That’s

Tony (15m 27s):
Exactly,

Anne (15m 27s):
I guess that’s what we have to come to terms of this

Ashley (15m 29s):
Is her ghost that we’re watching. Yeah.

Anne (15m 31s):
But also that makes sense now it makes sense for us to be the historians because it’s the past. Okay.

Tony (15m 36s):
Well I guess maybe that era of Drew is dead. Yeah,

Ashley (15m 41s):
Yeah. Oh, sad.

Tony (15m 44s):
Onto, onto the new newer one onto

Anne (15m 46s):
The professional talk show business lady who we still get the little bits of the Wild Gal and

Ashley (15m 53s):
Yeah, every once in a while.

Anne (15m 57s):
Okay. So we asked our listeners and followers on Instagram to send in some questions for you Tony. So we’re gonna go through, through ’em. I’m

Tony (16m 4s):
Scared.

Anne (16m 6s):
I

Ashley (16m 6s):
Don’t think there’s anything you should be scared of, but you’re gonna enjoy some of these. They’re, they’re pretty fun. Yeah. I really, thanks to everybody who submitted a question, we got a great response and that was very fun to see.

Tony (16m 16s):
Yes. Yeah. Very cool. I’m

Anne (16m 18s):
Excited. Okay. Are you ready? Yeah. So first question, what was the most fun part about being Drew’s assistant?

Tony (16m 27s):
Gosh, I mean, I had such a great time working with Drew. Like every day was different. That’s what I loved about it. ’cause it didn’t, it didn’t feel like for me, I, I had all types of jobs. I’ve worked in offices. Yeah. And it, to me it was just like every day was different. Like you never, you never knew showing up what to expect. Like one day we’re in LA just shopping around the next day we’re in Paris. I don’t know, it’s just different every day, which I love. So that and the experience that I got with her and the opportunities, like those are the best things that I’ll, I’ll always take with me.

Tony (17m 7s):
So I’m super grateful for those. Yeah,

Ashley (17m 10s):
That’s so cool. Kind of on the same track, two different people asked if you had a favorite memory with Drew

Tony (17m 18s):
Favorite. So I would have to say when she shot the movie Blended, ’cause we got to go to South Africa and that was the first time I was able to go to South Africa. And never in my wildest dreams would I have thought I’d be in South Africa. So I would have to say that one because it just, it was such a great opportunity and I met some amazing people, had some great experiences. Yeah, I think that was, yeah, that was the first movie that I had done with her professionally. So yeah, that was, that’s my thing. So yeah. And then I got to go to South Africa again on my own for like a month. So I, you know, being able to meet the people through her and experience what I did brought me back there.

Ashley (18m 3s):
That’s so

Anne (18m 3s):
Cool. Really cool. I like this question though. It’s vague. It says craziest moment with Drew and I actually was wonder, I mean that could, that could be interpreted whatever way you want.

Tony (18m 15s):
Yeah.

Anne (18m 16s):
What is the craziest moment?

Tony (18m 18s):
Moment? My gosh, there’s probably a lot.

Ashley (18m 23s):
I was thinking that too. How could you choose?

Tony (18m 26s):
I know, gosh, I have to really go back in my archives in my brain. No. Yeah. I don’t know. Let’s go back to that one.

Ashley (18m 34s):
Yeah, I love this one. This was one of my favorite questions. I hope you have an answer for this one. What’s the best gift that Drew ever gave to you? Oh,

Tony (18m 44s):
Oh, oh, oh. The best gift by far is she sent me and my husband to Greece.

Ashley (18m 53s):
Oh wow. Yeah, it

Tony (18m 55s):
Was pretty special. She just said one day she’s like, I wanna send you and Michael on a trip anywhere you want to go. And I was like, what? No, what are you talking about? You’re crazy. So then I came back and I’m like, well how about Greece? And she’s like, whatever you want. So yeah. So went to Santorini Konos and like yeah it was, it was pretty special.

Ashley (19m 18s):
That’s amazing.

Anne (19m 20s):
I love that.

Ashley (19m 21s):
That’s really cool. Great answer. Sweet. Yeah,

Anne (19m 24s):
It’s a good one.

Tony (19m 26s):
I know she’s, she’s got such a big heart. Always, always giving the best gift. Well then,

Anne (19m 31s):
Yeah, she like with that show she like redid Deborah’s whole house, right?

Ashley (19m 36s):
Oh yeah, that’s right. That was so awesome that just to watch that Anne. I know,

Anne (19m 41s):
I

Ashley (19m 41s):
Do.

Anne (19m 43s):
Okay. So I feel like this is on a similar track to the craziest thing, but this is a fun one. What’s one of the most surreal things you ever had to find for Drew?

Tony (19m 52s):
I mean there’s probably so many, again, so many things. But

Anne (19m 57s):
Again you’re trying to be like how can I,

Ashley (19m 59s):
Yeah, your eyes are twinkling. Like you have something funny to share.

Tony (20m 4s):
Oh gosh. Well we always had to have the iced tea.

Ashley (20m 7s):
Of course. Go back to that. We have questions about the iced tea. Believe or no matter

Tony (20m 11s):
Matter where we were, we had to find the iced tea. So that was probably the top of the list. Not that that’s out of the norm, but when you’re in South Africa and they don’t have to Java.

Ashley (20m 23s):
Right.

Tony (20m 24s):
You gotta find ways to get to Java.

Anne (20m 27s):
It always comes back to the tea.

Ashley (20m 29s):
Always. Yeah, always. We have a question about that. Approximately how many gallons of ice tea did she have a day do you think?

Tony (20m 39s):
Because

Anne (20m 39s):
This comes from my lovely partner Jared. Oh

Ashley (20m 42s):
That’s right. This is the one from him.

Anne (20m 43s):
He, he wanted me to say Jared from Moorpark asks approximately how many gallons have iced seeded Drew

Tony (20m 50s):
For dinner? Jared from Moore Park, she probably drank like at least one gallon for sure. It’s a lot. Yeah, for

Anne (20m 58s):
Sure. And is it those like glass bottles of tea Java that she would use

Tony (21m 3s):
Be like the regular, the small size or the big size. Okay. Whatever we had on hand.

Ashley (21m 8s):
Whatever Sandy,

Tony (21m 9s):
She would definitely. So those small bottles come in like a four pack? Yeah. Like if you get the big case, they come in like a four pack. She would definitely pretty much go through that entire, I mean we’d had stacks and stacks. She would at least go through

Anne (21m 22s):
Eight one pack.

Tony (21m 24s):
Yeah. Like crazy. Like just in the morning. She’s probably going through like three when she wakes up.

Anne (21m 31s):
Yeah. It’s so great. I mean when I was talking to her after the show, Anita pointed out, ’cause I was with our Drewbie friend Anita and she like pointed out that Drew like had her iced tea and she was like drinking it and chewing on her straw when she was talking to me. I was like, I didn’t even notice. It just felt so like normal. Normal just feels normal.

Ashley (21m 49s):
If

Anne (21m 49s):
She doesn’t have that in hand, like that would be weird. Yeah. Yeah.

Tony (21m 54s):
This is not iced tea.

Anne (21m 55s):
No, but is it one of the beautiful hydration cups though?

Tony (21m 59s):
No it’s not because Christina’s like, I’ll send you one. I’m like, where is it Christina? I haven’t

Ashley (22m 3s):
It reminder to Christina. And

Anne (22m 7s):
Yeah

Tony (22m 7s):
This is a lot stronger than iced tea but no, yeah, she drank a lot of it.

Anne (22m 14s):
That’s great.

Tony (22m 15s):
I always had to like, I’d had to like brew it and make my own to Java if I couldn’t find it.

Ashley (22m 21s):
Wow. Dedicated.

Tony (22m 22s):
We learn like what tasted the closest to it. Yeah. And have those like handy in case we couldn’t find the Well

Anne (22m 31s):
You said the PG tips last time.

Tony (22m 33s):
PG tips. Yeah. That’s

Ashley (22m 34s):
The Oh that’s right. We

Tony (22m 35s):
Would travel with those. You have a good memory. Yeah,

Anne (22m 37s):
I also just re-listened to the episode because I needed to be

Tony (22m 39s):
Fresh. Yeah, we talked about that. But yes, those I would travel with in my suitcase and you know,

Anne (22m 46s):
Just in case

Tony (22m 47s):
They didn’t have it over there. Or if we could find like a Starbucks or something that would have the closest.

Anne (22m 55s):
That’s amazing. I just love everything. I feel like I could just have a whole interview about her iced tea.

Ashley (22m 59s):
I know. Well it’s funny, people obviously were taken by it ’cause they submitted questions regarding it.

Tony (23m 5s):
That’s amazing.

Ashley (23m 6s):
Okay, someone else asked, what did you like most about her and what did you find most challenging about her?

Tony (23m 13s):
She is like, well the most giving and the most kind and the greatest soul. Like she just has the biggest heart. She always looked out for you. Just, she made you feel like, I mean we became a family. She made you, she just was always so welcoming and just, she brought you into everything and just was all inclusive. And I just love being in her presence. Like she’s just such a big presence and there’s just so much to like learn from her. Yeah. I mean she’s great in every area. The most challenging is probably that she has her hands in everything.

Tony (23m 54s):
So it’s like, I wanna do this, I wanna do this, I wanna do this. Yeah. It’s like constantly going. So keeping up with that is challenging because it’s like she’s tells you one thing and then she’s onto the next and like you just have to like figure it out and get it done and go with it and

Ashley (24m 13s):
Yeah. That that tracks.

Tony (24m 15s):
Yeah. Like she just, I remember like her magazine, Drew Mag, like it was just a paper and she’s just always had it in her and we’re always like, why does she wanna do this magazine? Why? Like no one’s going to get it. And like she would take it everywhere. We’d do these like out of her own pocket money, she would create these newspapers and we would like take them out everywhere. I remember we were at like a concert and we were like in the audience and she’s just like handing ’em out to people. I’m like, she’s still doing that to this day. And it’s so funny because I was with my friend Angela and we went to go see The XX with her in New York and we were handing out these magazines, all of us together.

Tony (24m 58s):
And we started off at like a, at a hotel. Like we were in the hotel, like bar like eating. And then all of a sudden we started handing out her magazines, newspapers. And then we go to this concert and we’re handing out these papers and then today to see her handing out these magazines again. I always send this clip to my friend. I’m like, look, she’s still doing it. It’s just so funny. She’s

Ashley (25m 21s):
Consistent. That’s for sure.

Tony (25m 23s):
She has it in her mind. She’s gonna get it done. Which I love. That’s so inspiring.

Ashley (25m 26s):
Yeah, it’s inspiring.

Anne (25m 27s):
It’s awesome. And actually we were talking about like the flower press newspaper version and how like we were like how did you get it? Because we, I think we have at least one of each of the issues.

Ashley (25m 39s):
Yeah, well they used to send them with Flower beauty purchases for a short little while. So that was another way they, but otherwise it was like you got lucky if you saw her at a concert and she handed that to you. Exactly.

Tony (25m 49s):
Star her in thet stands. Yeah.

Anne (25m 51s):
Hands on the ground like yeah, I love it. But it’s also like there are people who post about like their encounters with her at a random coffee shop. Yeah. Sparks. Because you know, it like gets her like actual physical being to promote this, this thing. But it’s like it’s Drew like

Ashley (26m 9s):
Pretty genius. Too bad we can’t go hand the podcast out somewhere.

Anne (26m 14s):
We could

Tony (26m 15s):
Little like Yeah, exactly.

Anne (26m 17s):
Or like thumb drives.

Tony (26m 19s):
Yeah.

Ashley (26m 20s):
You just plug this in your computer, it’s totally safe.

Anne (26m 24s):
No viruses, I promise. Yes. We’re Barrymore fans. Why would we ever do anything cruel? Okay. You have

Tony (26m 30s):
All the old newspaper flower presses or no,

Ashley (26m 33s):
We, yeah, so we, Chris sent us a huge box of one of the, I think the second issue,

Anne (26m 39s):
But it’s an, it’s an oddly like rare thing because there was a finite number printed. They weren’t like distributed like a normal newspaper. So part as far as our collection goes, it’s like a pride spot that we have some because they’re like Right, you know, we just happened to get them however we got them.

Tony (26m 58s):
Now do you guys obviously do but is her magazine subscription based or do you just buy it before

Anne (27m 3s):
It’s now?

Ashley (27m 4s):
Yeah, we finally both were like after like every, every time like, ah they don’t have it here, they don’t have it here. We finally both were like, let’s just subscribe it now we get it in the mailbox bef like way before it even is promoted like way early. So it’s definitely the way to do it. Yeah.

Anne (27m 19s):
Yeah.

Tony (27m 20s):
That’s so awesome. And I’ve never really even looked through it. What is going on in the magazine? Si Similar to Flower press?

Ashley (27m 28s):
No, there’s always a lot of cooking stuff. Like a lot. I’m always like, there’s too many recipes. Like, ’cause I’m just not a cooking person.

Anne (27m 37s):
There’s,

Tony (27m 38s):
She was never, I mean she always liked cooking but she’s way more into cooking now than she ever

Anne (27m 42s):
Oh yeah.

Ashley (27m 43s):
Yeah. Oh yeah.

Tony (27m 44s):
Remember in the beginning she did not know how to cook but she was trying to learn ’cause she was gonna have Olive, so. Right. It’s cool to see her, how big into cooking she is now.

Anne (27m 54s):
Oh yeah. And I feel like what she talked about like making soups when she was pregnant. Yeah, right. Wasn’t that a thing?

Ashley (28m 1s):
Just trying to learn something.

Anne (28m 3s):
Yep.

Ashley (28m 4s):
But there’s a lot of design stuff in the magazines always. Like beauty product stuff. Those are kind of the most consistent. I feel like she

Anne (28m 12s):
Features like smaller makers sometimes. Like we do like features on like

Ashley (28m 18s):
Yeah. Small businesses and

Anne (28m 19s):
Stuff. Yeah. That’s always really cool.

Ashley (28m 22s):
Cool. Yeah, I like that.

Anne (28m 23s):
It’s, it’s really great. It’s a really well designed magazine. It was funny ’cause last time we’re like, wow, this is like mostly recipes and it was like, it’s the holiday issues. So of course it’s, it’s got like tons of holiday recipes. Yeah, it has like a gift guide. I don’t know. It’s it’s a great magazine. It feels like it’s got her all over it and it does. Yeah. It, it does. She’s, she’s featured in many of the sections like with her own sort of personal spin. It’s, it’s cool. Like it feels, it feels like her. You can feel her in it. Okay, next question. Which I really love. What is the biggest thing you learned from Drew as a friend and or colleague?

Tony (28m 59s):
That is a good question.

Anne (29m 1s):
It’s also a big one ’cause it feels like, yeah.

Ashley (29m 3s):
Lost. How could you choose one thing?

Tony (29m 6s):
Let’s come back to that. Okay.

Ashley (29m 9s):
Yeah. Those were all the ones that are like, what are the most or the best. ’cause we put ’em all together. ’cause those are hard to answer. Yeah. They’re, rest of these might be easier. This question is, how much were you around when they were doing the pilot of the Drew Barrymore show? Were you there for any of that?

Tony (29m 36s):
Yeah, I was there for the majority of it. Yeah. I remember like from the like sales tape, the reel that you put together from that point on. And then her, you know, submitting that to CBS or whoever it was. And then once it got the like green light to do the pilot, I was there for the pilot. And then I think I was even like in a couple clips on the pilot. I don’t, which we’ll probably never see.

Ashley (30m 6s):
Oh,

Tony (30m 7s):
I don’t even know if the pilot was aired or if it was just something that we kind of used as the sales take.

Ashley (30m 12s):
I think they’ve shown a little bit of Cameron Diaz doing like the news thing with Drew. Yeah,

Tony (30m 17s):
Yeah, yeah,

Ashley (30m 17s):
Yeah, yeah. I’ve seen that. But I think that’s about it.

Tony (30m 20s):
Yeah. So it was to film segments for that and then we had to fly to Miami to some conference event to where she kind of like had to show it off to people and stuff, so Oh wow.

Anne (30m 35s):
There

Tony (30m 35s):
And then, yeah, until she got the actual green light. And then that’s when I, I left to come back to LA ’cause I couldn’t, I didn’t wanna move to New York full time, so. Yeah.

Ashley (30m 44s):
You’re like darn it, the show got picked up.

Tony (30m 47s):
I know. No, I was so excited. I just wished it would’ve been in LA Yeah,

Ashley (30m 53s):
We do too.

Anne (30m 55s):
I know,

Tony (30m 56s):
I know. ’cause you guys would be able to go like once a month. Yeah.

Anne (30m 60s):
I mean we could be cool if we could go all the time. That would

Tony (31m 2s):
Be easy. Yeah, I’d have your own like s seats

Ashley (31m 5s):
Are good segment. Oh, have our own segment. Okay. Seats. Seats are good too.

Anne (31m 10s):
Segment actually.

Tony (31m 12s):
Segment. Segment. Yeah.

Ashley (31m 14s):
I’m manifesting guys.

Tony (31m 17s):
No, I was just like, yeah, so I was there pretty much for the start of it.

Ashley (31m 21s):
Was it exciting? Like it’s such a different project.

Tony (31m 25s):
It was so exciting. Everybody was, yeah. Everybody was so excited because it was something different and something like, we’re like, yes, this is so perfectly you. Oh. Like, yeah, it, it was a, it was a cool moment. So I’m glad I, I’m so happy to see it succeeding. Yeah.

Anne (31m 42s):
I like how she talks about though like first season she’s like, I was just like goofing around with myself ’cause I didn’t have like, you know, audience. Audience. Yes. And like she’s like, I was a little kooky at first. Like we’ve loved every version of the show and who she like, you know, is out there with it. It’s so great. This question, you know, I feel like it might have an obvious answer but maybe not. Maybe it’ll surprise us. If you got a chance to be in Drew’s audience, are you going to take it?

Tony (32m 9s):
Yeah, for sure. I You

Ashley (32m 11s):
Already did. I saw you there.

Tony (32m 13s):
I know when like I was just in New York, not so long ago, but I think, oh well it was during the strike so it still wasn’t happening. But like yeah, Christine was like, oh I wish we were filming. You could come to the show. And I’m like, I know. I really want to go see. Oh I do want see it in New York. ’cause Me too, like it’s there. It’s where it started and I want to see it. So hopefully I’ll be able to make it out there when it’s shooting.

Ashley (32m 37s):
Yeah. Tell Charlize to go do something in New York.

Tony (32m 40s):
I know. I’m waiting for her to like promote something so we can go on the show.

Ashley (32m 45s):
Oh yeah. Than that. The whole moment. Oh, that’d so cool. That’d be a perfect

Anne (32m 50s):
Excuse. Then you and Christina can be like, you know, bumping fist backstage and

Tony (32m 54s):
Yeah, it’ll happen. It’ll happen.

Ashley (32m 56s):
Love that.

Tony (32m 57s):
We have a movie next, hopefully next year coming out. So hopefully when promotion

Ashley (33m 1s):
Happens. Yay. Fingers crossed. Okay, so this is interesting. This is my own question ’cause I thought of it this morning when I was getting ready. I don’t think we talked about this last time, but you were kind of around in the beginning stages of Flower Beauty, right?

Tony (33m 15s):
Yeah, yeah. Early. Early. Yeah. Beginning stages of that too.

Ashley (33m 18s):
What did you have to do for that? Like do you remember anything specifically?

Tony (33m 22s):
I just remember going to, and I don’t remember where the, where they make the makeup. Like we would go and see like it actually being made and her like working with the

Anne (33m 34s):
The formulas.

Tony (33m 35s):
Formulas, yeah. To create these things. So that was cool.

Ashley (33m 39s):
Wow.

Tony (33m 40s):
But yeah, that, that’s all I really remember of it. And then

Ashley (33m 43s):
You were doing so much at at once. It’s probably so hard.

Tony (33m 47s):
Got so much out. But there’s just, yeah, I remember Flower Beauty, the beginning stages for sure. They’re cool and everybody has like a makeup line and you know, who I saw had and I was like, she’s following in Drew’s footsteps is Selena Gomez has the makeup line and now she’s doing like pots and pans and I’m like, what? Good for you. But okay, Drew,

Anne (34m 9s):
I got this formula.

Ashley (34m 11s):
Here’s the like path you take. She’s gonna have a action before we know it. It

Tony (34m 14s):
For you. Yeah, exactly. Like Selena Gomez and pots and pans. All right. It doesn’t really.

Anne (34m 22s):
Okay, so this next one kind of goes on a totally different topic, but it’s totally in your perspective. And

Ashley (34m 27s):
Two different people asked about this.

Anne (34m 29s):
I’ll just ask kind of both ’cause it’s the same question but different versions. Do you think Drew will ever do a dramatic project like Gray Gardens again? And then another person asks, do you think Drew will return to acting and will we get to see her in more serious or dramatic roles based on what you saw her interest in that?

Tony (34m 45s):
Yeah, I mean she’s, she’s said she’s done, but they all say that and they all come back from

Ashley (34m 51s):
Me.

Tony (34m 52s):
And I feel like there’s certain things like an Adam Sandler would pull her back. Yeah. I think there’s, there’ll be special things that she’ll do it. I feel like now she can be more selective. Yeah. So she doesn’t have to go back if she doesn’t want to. I mean we all want her to. ’cause that’s like where it all began, began

Anne (35m 14s):
Where we all fall in love with her. Yeah,

Ashley (35m 15s):
Yeah. Yeah.

Tony (35m 16s):
So I hope she does and she still needs to win that Oscar so she does need Yeah. Part, right? That’s

Ashley (35m 23s):
Right. But

Tony (35m 23s):
I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know if she has the, with the show, like if she would have the capacity.

Ashley (35m 31s):
Capacity, the bandwidth. Yep.

Tony (35m 33s):
Do all that. I mean like a fun light thing, like an Adam Sandler or Santa Cla. Yeah. I really hope they do like a Santa Clarita diet movie. I know. Like give the fans what they want. We need a movie.

Ashley (35m 44s):
I love that show. Did you work on that show at all or was that kind of when you were not Yeah,

Tony (35m 49s):
I did. Well I did two seasons of it. Oh shoot, I didn’t

Ashley (35m 52s):
Realize that, that,

Tony (35m 53s):
Yeah because I had, I had left, I was gone for the first season and then I came back

Ashley (35m 58s):
Second and third. Oh, that must have been so fun.

Tony (36m 0s):
It was so fun. I loved that show. It’s so,

Anne (36m 2s):
So good

Tony (36m 3s):
Man. I know. I need to go back and watch that.

Ashley (36m 6s):
Yeah, yeah. I’m ready to, we’re definitely gonna do like, we’ll probably have to do each season as its own episode on the podcast. But I’m excited to rewatch it ’cause it’s been, since it aired, I haven’t watched

Anne (36m 16s):
It yet. Yeah. I don’t think I have either.

Ashley (36m 17s):
All right. This is an interesting question. Is Drew aware of the fan sites that she has around the world?

Tony (36m 24s):
No, I think just Joyce,

Anne (36m 26s):
That’s it. That’s the correct answer. I really do.

Ashley (36m 28s):
Perfect answer. Yeah.

Anne (36m 31s):
Except you’re

Ashley (36m 32s):
One we do love Drew Barrymore Brazil as well. Okay, thanks.

Tony (36m 37s):
Her Brazilian fans are great. Definitely. I mean I am sure she’s clued into some of it, but they don’t really, I’m sure see a lot of it

Ashley (36m 47s):
Also, I don’t feel like her ego would let her like dwell on it very much. Like she’s not gonna be like focused on people love me everywhere.

Tony (36m 56s):
Yeah, right.

Anne (36m 57s):
But how could you be aware if you’ve just been in, literally in like the public eye for your whole life, how could you have any idea? I don’t know like the, the amount of content that’s out here, the

Ashley (37m 10s):
Perspective has gotta be really hard.

Anne (37m 11s):
It would be really hard to understand if you’re just in it. If you’re you, she’s Drew, how do, how you know, why would she think that anyone would care?

Ashley (37m 19s):
Well that’s perfect for the next question.

Anne (37m 21s):
Oh yes, it’s the next question is does she know she’s Drew Barrymore? She seems so humble.

Tony (37m 28s):
No, she literally would like go anywhere and like takes the train by herself. Yeah. She just, she, I mean she just tries to maintain a normal life as much as possible. But she would, yeah, she’s just always like out doing her own thing. She’ll go to you know, workout classes, she’ll go to the store like whatever she does good. But yeah, she doesn’t, I don’t think really realize it until people come up to her or there’s a, you know, paparazzi or something. But yeah.

Ashley (38m 2s):
Yeah, it is funny. Like it does seem like she’s always like so genuinely surprised that people are interested in her. But I think you probably, that’s probably healthy to like keep that kind of like, she probably has to to feel normal. Yeah.

Anne (38m 16s):
And we’ve joked about her disguises, which I feel like she’s gotta have like something where she just like looks like a normal person and she’s not gonna stand out. Like

Tony (38m 26s):
Never, she always just wears like her chunky hat and like her heavy coats and like people recognize her from like, like you wouldn’t even think that they would and they’re like they know. Or if she opens her mouth, that gives it away.

Ashley (38m 40s):
Yeah, I was gonna say hear her voice.

Anne (38m 44s):
I love that. I love that she like lets herself just live her life. It seems really healthy.

Ashley (38m 51s):
Okay, we have some like more personal questions just aimed at you. So someone wanted to know if you have a favorite of Drew’s movies.

Tony (39m 1s):
I would have to say never been Kissed or blended. Both because I was a part of Yeah,

Ashley (39m 8s):
I know. I was like, ’cause you your first and your last, right? No, I guess your last was the Stand-in That’s not your favorite.

Tony (39m 16s):
That one was really quirky but it was, it was interesting. I didn’t hate it.

Ashley (39m 23s):
Ann still has to watch that.

Tony (39m 25s):
You’ve seen that? Come on.

Ashley (39m 27s):
I’m like, we have to discuss that.

Anne (39m 29s):
I don’t like Drew Barrymore. I love her. So I just try to give her the respect and the space that she needs. I’m just kidding.

Ashley (39m 36s):
I’m just

Anne (39m 36s):
Kidding. I will watch it eventually.

Ashley (39m 40s):
Never Been Kissed is a good one though. That’s one of our most popular episodes is the one that we did on Never Been Kissed. That one just means a lot to so many people. Yeah,

Anne (39m 47s):
It really does. This is just kind of a fun one personal question for you. How long should we wait until you visit Germany from our friend Vacca who lives in Germany?

Ashley (39m 58s):
He knows the twins.

Tony (40m 0s):
Yeah. I love the twins. I saw them in Italy. No, yeah, Italy last year and I’m, I need to go to Germany. I’ve never been so I’m hoping soon I would love to be out there.

Ashley (40m 12s):
Yay. Stay tuned. Va

Tony (40m 13s):
They can show me around.

Anne (40m 15s):
That’d be

Ashley (40m 16s):
Awesome. That’s awesome. They’re so sweet.

Tony (40m 18s):
I’ve never been dying to go.

Ashley (40m 21s):
This is from Drew, Barrymore, Brazil from Renata. She just wanted, she doesn’t have a question. She just wanted to say, you have always been so nice to all the Brazilian fans. Thank you. Tony.

Tony (40m 30s):
That’s a, another place I want to go to really badly is Brazil. So when I come out there, she’ll have to show it.

Ashley (40m 36s):
Yeah,

Tony (40m 37s):
Yeah. And you’re welcome. We love the Brazilian fans.

Ashley (40m 41s):
Aw

Anne (40m 41s):
Yeah, she’s a good one. Okay, and then the last one, you might be able to figure out who this is from. Favorite memory working with Mason.

Tony (40m 50s):
Is that from Mason? Yeah. He was the worst. No, just kidding. Everything. Mason was great. He, he was, he took me under his wing when I first started and he like, we became fast friends. Like he was, he was awesome and he was a great person to learn from. He was, yeah. He knew his shit and I like always looked up to him, so,

Ashley (41m 14s):
Aw.

Tony (41m 15s):
Sad to see when he left me.

Anne (41m 16s):
Did you guys have like specific ways that you broke up your tasks as the assistance?

Tony (41m 23s):
Yeah, he did more at that time. He did more of like the business side of stuff and I did more of the personal stuff. So that’s how we kept it separate.

Anne (41m 32s):
I think we kind of knew that. Yeah. But

Ashley (41m 34s):
Yeah, I ki I was like, I kind of would’ve guessed that. Yeah. Yeah.

Tony (41m 36s):
Sometimes it would cross over, but mostly that’s how we, yeah.

Ashley (41m 40s):
You guys seemed like a good work team. I

Tony (41m 42s):
Have so many great memories with Mason. Like being able to travel with him, we would always like, gosh, we would do so many fun things together. I remember we had to move Drew’s Drew had a house in Austin.

Ashley (41m 56s):
Oh really?

Tony (41m 57s):
Yeah, years ago. Like long, long ago. And so we moved the house, Mason and I got like a rental car, a rental truck and moved the entire house back to LA So we just sort of like had Oh my

Ashley (42m 7s):
God.

Tony (42m 9s):
Yeah, we had great memories together. Oh, I

Anne (42m 12s):
Miss it. Was it a house she had when she was filming Whippet or It was like from way before that?

Tony (42m 18s):
I think it was way before that.

Ashley (42m 20s):
Wow.

Anne (42m 20s):
Wow. Interesting. Look

Ashley (42m 21s):
You teaching us something new? I

Tony (42m 23s):
Had no idea. Never knew about the Austin House. No,

Anne (42m 26s):
I don’t think so. I don’t think we knew anything about that.

Tony (42m 29s):
Speaking of Mason, I think his birthday’s today or tomorrow.

Ashley (42m 32s):
Oh my God. Happy birthday Mason.

Tony (42m 34s):
I forgot. Say yeah. Happy birthday Mason.

Ashley (42m 36s):
It was very fun when he reached out with a question. I was like, oh my God, I love this. I’m saving it for last. That’s

Anne (42m 45s):
Really fun. That is really fun. Yeah, you and Mason really like helped carry her through like a really, really busy time in her career because she was just doing so much

Ashley (42m 57s):
Always though.

Anne (42m 58s):
Always. But I feel like then it was like the books were coming out. She was having kids. Yeah, she was still doing movies. Like the show started, you know, the Flo, the Flower Beauty brand. Like there was so, I mean she, yeah, she still is doing so much. And like you said, like yeah that her new staff is keeping it going, but it’s like, man,

Tony (43m 17s):
I know. Oh, Mason was the OG though. og.

Ashley (43m 20s):
Oh, OG

Anne (43m 21s):
Mason. Yeah. Birthday

Tony (43m 22s):
Boy Mason og.

Ashley (43m 24s):
I love that.

Tony (43m 27s):
Yeah. Compare

Anne (43m 30s):
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Anne (44m 53s):
Okay, coming back to craziest moment with Drew, what came to mind?

Tony (45m 1s):
Craziest moment. God, I, there’s so many, but one that really stands out. We were on our way rushing somewhere to get her to a meeting and I was driving her and she was changing in the car and she, we were stopped at a stop sign or a light or something and she was changing and she opened her, opened the passenger door and this motorcyclist came right by and almost got knocked out by her. Oh shit. And he like swerved and then like came back over and like totally started cussing us out. It was like, oh my god, I’m so sorry. Like crazy stuff like that that stands out the most.

Anne (45m 38s):
Did this motorcyclist know it was Drew Barrymore after the fact? Probably

Tony (45m 41s):
Not. Probably not.

Ashley (45m 42s):
Probably not. No. He’ll know now. He’ll hear this. Exactly.

Tony (45m 45s):
Apologies to him.

Anne (45m 47s):
Yes. And we’re not at all surprised to hear she’d be changing in the car.

Ashley (45m 50s):
No, we, we know that’s a common thing. She’s been caught doing it in parking lots by paparazzi.

Tony (45m 57s):
Always on the go

Ashley (45m 59s):
Stars are just like us. Right,

Tony (46m 1s):
Exactly. I mean there’s so many more crazy moments, but that one just for some reason stands out.

Ashley (46m 7s):
I love that one. I

Anne (46m 8s):
Mean you’re in the driver’s seat so it’s like, in a way you have this responsibility to make sure that your passengers are

Tony (46m 13s):
Like, yeah, it’s safe. I’m door closed. Whatcha doing? Why

Ashley (46m 17s):
You need to do the child walk. Are

Tony (46m 18s):
You opening the door? I know, I’m like gonna run in the back like what? What are doing? Oh my God.

Anne (46m 24s):
She’s like, I need my shoes. They’re in the backseat. Yep,

Ashley (46m 27s):
Exactly.

Anne (46m 27s):
I’m gonna step

Tony (46m 28s):
Out fully. You probably didn’t wanna climb over the seat, right? So she lemme just run out real quick and get them and run back up and then she almost knocked someone out in the process.

Anne (46m 38s):
Drew Barrymore. Just trying to get business done. Exactly.

Ashley (46m 42s):
And did you think of maybe what your biggest thing you learned from her at personally or as a colleague?

Tony (46m 48s):
Yeah, I mean, again, she’s always had her hands in so much and like whatever she touched, like turned to gold. Like she was so successful. It just sort of gave me a drive to like really like go after what I want and just to be confident and to like pursue my, my goals and dreams and you know, I think like she just watching her and being in her presence kind of like she gave that to me so I, that’s something I always cherish and bring with me.

Ashley (47m 21s):
Aw. I feel like even, you know, not working with her, obviously from a distance, I feel like I get that from her too. Like yeah, right. We can do this podcast, we can be successful. Like it’s our, we’re having so much fun, let’s go for it.

Tony (47m 34s):
Exactly.

Anne (47m 35s):
I feel like anytime she talks about like, if there’s something you love, like go for it. Like Yeah.

Tony (47m 40s):
Yeah, she’s, she’s so like that in person and working with her it’s, she’s very motivating. So.

Ashley (47m 46s):
Aw, that’s a great way to sum it all up.

Anne (47m 50s):
That’s awesome.

Ashley (47m 52s):
Yeah, we loved having you on this show Tony so cool that you came back.

Tony (47m 56s):
Oh, fun. I love being on this show. Yeah. Thank you guys.

Ashley (48m 0s):
If you think of like a topic that you ever wanna come back for, just you know, let us know if you’re like, wait, I really wanna discuss X, Y, ZI

Anne (48m 7s):
Think he wants to discuss blended.

Ashley (48m 9s):
Yeah. Oh yeah, obvi. There we go. Obviously when we do a blended episode, we’ll have you on. That would be perfect.

Anne (48m 15s):
We already know that Adam Sandler tried to teach you how to juggle.

Tony (48m 19s):
Oh that’s great. About that.

Anne (48m 21s):
Good

Tony (48m 22s):
Memory. Yeah. So

Anne (48m 23s):
We’ve got one little blended set tidbit.

Ashley (48m 25s):
Oh, that’s so fun.

Anne (48m 27s):
I’m sure you’ll have more so when we do blended we can have you,

Tony (48m 30s):
Okay, I’m gonna have to start thinking about that stuff.

Ashley (48m 32s):
You’ll have to go re-watch the movie and like take notes like we do.

Tony (48m 36s):
Did you guys like that movie?

Ashley (48m 38s):
Yeah, I only saw it once.

Tony (48m 40s):
It didn’t get a lot of love when it first came out, but I see it on like TV all the time now. It’s out on

Ashley (48m 45s):
Stuff. Oh, that’s cool. I, I need to revisit it.

Anne (48m 48s):
Turn, I’m like, oh well and Jolena and I went to the premiere of it. That’s right. And we got to talk to Drew afterwards and she’d just given birth to find.

Ashley (48m 58s):
Yeah.

Anne (48m 59s):
Like she was like two weeks out from giving birth or something. She crazy.

Ashley (49m 3s):
Do you have a cameo in that one?

Tony (49m 5s):
No, I know I

Ashley (49m 6s):
Didn’t. I didn’t think so. But yeah, you have other ones.

Tony (49m 12s):
Exactly.

Anne (49m 13s):
Yeah. We’ve got all your cameos on lock I think.

Ashley (49m 15s):
Yeah, we have a little gallery in the last episode. Go look at episode 13 gallery to see Tony in the background of some stuff.

Tony (49m 24s):
Too funny.

Ashley (49m 27s):
Well thank you again for your time and your beautiful presence and all the giggles. Yeah. It’s just so fun hanging out with you virtually.

Tony (49m 36s):
Always fun to do this. So thank you for inviting me the happy holidays everyone. Thank

Ashley (49m 43s):
You. Thank

Anne (49m 44s):
You again Tony.

Tony (49m 45s):
Welcome. We

Anne (49m 46s):
Appreciate you.

Tony (49m 47s):
Alright,

Ashley (50m 2s):
Thank you so much Tony. That was so much fun. If you guys enjoyed that conversation, make sure you go back and listen to our episode 13 when he first came on. He shared some great stories that time too. We love you Tony. Thanks for We love you Tony friend of the pod. Yeah,

Anne (50m 18s):
So great. Yeah, we can’t wait to have you back.

Ashley (50m 24s):
All right everybody, you know what to do. Here’s your spiel. Don’t tune out. Listen to what I’m saying. Go leave us a review on Apple Podcasts. We’ll read it on the podcast rate review, all the stuff, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But then follow us on Instagram at How Do You Drew pod, and also on our Drew account at Drew for lots of other Drew goodies.

Anne (50m 47s):
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We’ll get something going. I feel like you had an idea recently that we need to implement. We’re gonna do stuff. We promise. We

Anne (51m 5s):
Promise. We love the support. We love any of you listeners anyway. But you know, those of you that are giving us a dollar a month, we love you even more.

Ashley (51m 13s):
You’re extra special.

Anne (51m 16s):
Make sure you visit our website at How Do You Drew dot com, hosted on the Drew dot com. Send listener mail to How Do You Drew [email protected]. And my question to take us out is what are you most excited about in December, other than Christmas

Ashley (51m 32s):
Seeing Mila, my daughter, do the Nutcracker. Aw, yeah, I’m very, she was Clara, which is the lead last year, which was incredible. This year she will have a little bit more challenging dances, so that’ll be great. Plus I just love it. It’s like one of the Christmas traditions I really like is the Nutcracker.

Anne (51m 49s):
Oh, I love that. What about you? Well, traveling, I’ll be in California for a huge chunk of December and then I’ll be visiting Las Vegas to see Ashley in the fa. So I’ve got a lot of stuff I’m looking forward to. I’ll be away from my cats, but they’ll have somebody lovely taking care of them. So not looking forward to that. But you know, let’s, let’s look at, let’s focus on the positive.

Ashley (52m 12s):
Speaking of Willow, just walked in the room. My cat, fluffy Willow. Hi Willow.

Anne (52m 16s):
Will willow my cat’s like fucked off a while ago. I don’t know where they are. Okay everybody, thanks for tuning in. We hope you enjoyed our part two with Tony Crago. Can’t wait to have him back, as we’ve already said. And we’ll see you next Tuesday.

Ashley (52m 31s):
Thanks. Bye

Anne (52m 32s):
Bye

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Bye.

Anne (52m 46s):
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Ashley (52m 55s):
Special thanks to Matt Costa for our lovely theme song, Roxy Prima, for our adorable logo. And last but not least, Drew, Barrymore and all the Drewbies who love her, we do this for you.

Anne (53m 5s):
Thank you. Thank you.

Episode 061 - The Drew Barrymore Show Taping - Transcript

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Ashley (24s):
All right. Hello and welcome to How Do You Drew.

Anne (27s):
This is A Drew Barrymore Podcast, brought to you by thedrewseum.com
Ashley (31s):
And sponsored by our friends at Positive Medium.

Anne (34s):
I’m Anne.

Ashley (35s):
And I’m Ashley.

Anne (37s):
And we have a third person that’s name starts as an A as well visiting.

Ashley (43s):
I noticed that too. I’m like another A.

Anne (46s):
So welcome Anita, our dear friend from The Grapevine, which we’ve mentioned many times, the Drew Barrymore message board from back in the day. Hello. Hi. Hi.
Anita (56s):
This is so exciting.

Ashley (58s):
Yay. Thank you for joining us. Absolutely. I mean, we go way back probably 98, 99, I’m sure is when we first started connecting with each other, which is just crazy to think about.
Anita (1m 9s):
Yeah, it’s wild to think it’s been that long. Yeah.

Anne (1m 12s):
And, and Anita and I, which we’ll get into in a minute, got to spend some time together recently. And during that we were kind of like, it’s a trip how, you know, even if some of us aren’t necessarily actively collecting on Drew Barrymore anymore, we still have this connection that’s kept us connected. And it’s quite a nice size community. I mean, even if it is only like nice size to us, you know,

Ashley (1m 36s):
I think think’s still incredible that this many years have gone by and they’re still like, yeah, like you said, this little community that we formed so long ago. Yes. And it lives on, it’s just awesome. Yes.

Anne (1m 47s):
The first tribe we found. Yeah.

Anita (1m 50s):
Yeah.

Anne (1m 51s):
Ok. So let’s start a little bit with introduction to Anita, how you became a fan. What do you remember about the early days and what kind of attracted you to Miss Drew Barrymore?

Anita (2m 4s):
So, I mean, I guess I’ve been a fan since the E.T. Days.

Ashley (2m 8s):
That’s crazy. Oh my God.

Anita (2m 10s):
Yeah.

Ashley (2m 10s):
I knew you were like further back than us, but I didn’t realize it was that much further.

Anita (2m 14s):
Yeah. I, so I think I was around three years old when the movie was released and I went to the theater in my small town and saw the movie with my mom. I think I sat on her lap and when Drew first came on screen, she had her blonde pigtails tied with the like string or the yarn. Yes. And at, at the time, I was very blonde and I would also wear my hair in pigtails, or I guess I should say my mom would put my hair on pigtails. And I just thought that she like looked like me and I instantly like fell in love with her and thought of her as like a sister or a friend.
Anita (2m 59s):
And that’s, that’s how it all started.

Ashley (3m 2s):

I love that.

Anne (3m 4s):
I love it so much. Do you remember like at what point it became like an active fandom? Like do you remember like maybe what first cherished maybe thing that you collected or like thing that you might’ve seen that that sticks out in your mind?

Anita (3m 19s):
So for a long period, I wasn’t very like invested in Drew’s career. Or keeping up on, on things. And there was also a lull obviously where she wasn’t working as much or like the things were more independent movies.

Anne (3m 31s):
Totally.

Anita (3m 32s):
And I think it was around the time of Poison Ivy that I started to become like interested in her career again. Wow. But the, the first thing that I remember kind of collecting and really being invested in her and wanting to actively collect and pay attention to her career was around the time of Boys on the Side of Met Love.

Anne (3m 53s):
Okay.

Ashley (3m 54s):
The best time.

Anita (3m 55s):
Yeah. Right. Like the best time. I still have my Mad Love ticket stub from the movie theater and I have every stub from every Drew movie I’ve gone to see since then.

Ashley (4m 9s):
Yay. Me Too.

Anita (4m 10s):
And that’s kind of what started the collecting.

Anne (4m 12s):
I love it. And I love that kind of like sentimental ephemeral, you know? Oh yes. The movie tickets. Like now I feel like I haven’t had a physical movie ticket in a while. Oh,

Anita (4m 22s):
I know, right? I miss it so much.

Anne (4m 24s):
And when you get them, they’re like that paper that like you let it sit for a while and it starts to turn and it’s gray. Yes. And turns gray like receipt paper or it fades away. I’m like, no. Exactly. Let’s just use that same old stuff with the tearaway. Like what’s wrong with you? Anyway, I love that so much. Of course we’ve talked about this before, but, and I think you said it Ashley, like we’ve met you in like late nineties, early two thousands on this message board and we’ve been in touch since you are no longer actively collecting, but you’re still part of this community and you support our podcast, which we’re so grateful for,

Ashley (4m 58s):
You’re so supportive. Also, I just wanna say like how many times Anne and I have been like, oh, imagine if we to have been there in the 95 era like you were there. Like so we kind of bow down that you’re even more old school than we are. It’s awesome.

Anita (5m 11s):
I think though, is that like it, it doesn’t really matter what time period you enter into your Drew fandom. Yeah. I mean I think there was definitely like a heyday. But the cool thing about Drew is that she, who she is at her core has remained the same.

Ashley (5m 29s):
Aww.

Anita (5m 29s):
I think that’s kind of why you have such, like, you have so many fans that are new who maybe we don’t know as well is because like Drew kind of transcends all of her. Like even though she had periods where she was maybe releasing more movies or a lot of us were kind of into maybe like the more like hippie like grunge side of Drew. And she kept a little bit of that throughout her life and her career.

Anne (5m 58s):
Yep. And she just has this outward appearance that’s a little more professional. But I feel like deep down she’s the same gal.

Ashley (6m 4s):
I love that. So well said.

Anne (6m 6s):

That’s lovely. Okay, so we’re just gonna like jump into the pod now. We’ll be talking a lot more with Anita and feel free to chime in whenever you’d like.

Anita (6m 17s):
Okay.

Anne (6m 18s):
Okay. So the first segment that we’re gonna hop into this week is, I wanna know what did Drew declare her love for last week?

Drew (6m 28s):
I love, love.

Ashley (6m 29s):
All right, we got some good ones. Okay. All right. Drew loves layering of rugs.

Anita (6m 36s):
Ah, okay.

Anne (6m 37s):
Yeah,

Anita (6m 37s):
I love that.

Ashley (6m 39s):
Salmon skin.

Anne (6m 41s):
You know what, I think I was on the show and I was like, I think I need to try to eat my salmon skin next time. I always throw it away. Ooh.

Ashley (6m 49s):
I’m like, can’t relate. Okay.

Anne (6m 51s): Okay. What else?

Ashley (6m 51s):

She also loves poetry. We know this. Okay. And USA Today, which I thought was fun because I feel like some of our coolest newspaper items in our collection are from USA Today.

Anne (7m 2s):
That is funny though. Yeah.

Ashley (7m 4s):
Urban Outfitters. I feel like we knew that one. Okay. This one’s a little cheaty ’cause we’ve sort of had segments of this before. But I’m gonna put the full sentence in here. The funk of a man’s T-shirt.

Anita (7m 16s):
I agree.

Ashley (7m 17s):
She’s loved that since the Eric Erlandson days. I know she declared that back then.

Anne (7m 26s):
And yeah, if it’s the funk of the man that you love. Yeah, yeah. Or like are crushing on. Absolutely. But generally,

Ashley (7m 32s):
Yeah I don’t want some random man’s.

Anne (7m 33s):
Yeah. I think it’s like your, the funk of your man’s t-shirt is sort of what I was saying.

Anita (7m 38s):
Yeah. Not random funk.

Anne (7m 38s):
No random funk, please.

Ashley (7m 39s):
Alright. And finally, Drew loves a cheesecloth and a designer hook.

Anne (7m 45s): Just one of each.

Ashley (7m 48s):

Yeah, one of each. Singular.

Anne (7m 50s):
Also like designer hook, like something you like put on the wall to hang things.

Ashley (7m 54s):
Correct.

Anne (7m 55s):
That’s made by a designer. Okay.

Ashley (7m 56s):
And it looks good. Like it’s not just a random piece of hardware. Oh yeah.

Anne (7m 59s):
Oh, I do have kind of a cute one on my wall.

Ashley (8m 1s):
I believe it. I bet Anita does too. Anita has a amazing interior design style. Yes. And aesthetic eye. I always have been. I’ve always admired your eye for aesthetics.

Anita (8m 11s):
Thank you. It’s all thrifted. Every last thing I own basically.

Ashley (8m 16s):
That’s amazing. Well, you do it right.

Anne (8m 19s):
You still have to kind of like have the taste.

Ashley (8m 21s):
Yes. You know, and you do.

Anita (8m 24s):
I guess so. Yeah. Thank you.

Anne (8m 25s):
All right. So now for our Drewism of the week, what did you pull for us, Ashley?

Drew (8m 32s):
Oh, someone’s picking up, you know, those cool little isms that we do.

Ashley (8m 37s):
Okay. We haven’t had one of these in a while, so I like this one. So she was talking to People Magazine about how she has not gotten plastic surgery and she said, I look forward to seeing what I look like as a leather bag in the future.

Anne (8m 51s):
I’m sure she’ll be just a gorgeous weathered leather bag,

Ashley (8m 58s):
Like a thrifted bag that Anita would find and make look good.

Anita (9m 2s):
An old leather tote. Yes.

Anne (9m 6s):
Just, you know, a really functional, beautiful one that just makes you so happy when you look at it. Perfect.

Anita (9m 12s):
Perfect patina.

Anne (9m 13s):
Yes. Okay. So now for this week in Drew History, what did you pull?

Ashley (9m 21s):
Oh, this is a good one. Okay. November 21st, 1982. Let’s go back to the fourth annual Youth in Film awards. Woo. These were held at the Sheraton Universal Hotel and Drew won best young supporting actress in a motion picture for E.T. of course she was up against the other nominations were Toni Ann Gisondi from Annie. And I think that’s the part that Drew auditioned for the part of Molly in Annie. That’s my guess. I don’t know that for sure, but that’s my I my instinct. Okay. And then also nominated were Molly Ringwald in Tempest and then of course Heather O’Rourke in Poltergeist.

Ashley (10m 4s):
Another part Drew almost got or went for so. And there’s some really cute pictures of the two of them together at this award show.

Anne (10m 12s):

And we wanna play a little clip of when she won it because it’s so cute,

Ashley (10m 16s):
It’s so famous and like perfect.

Drew (10m 18s):
Thank you for this award. I appreciate it very much. This is my first award.

Ashley (10m 32s):
Oh, I love it so much.

Anne (10m 36s):
So cute.

Anita (10m 36s):
It’s the cutest,

Ashley (10m 37s):
Isn’t it a young Joey Lawrence who introduces her to the award. Is that right?

Anne (10m 44s):
It sure looks like it.

Ashley (10m 45s):
I’m pretty sure it is.

Anita (10m 47s):
I can’t remember, but that seems very familiar.

Ashley (10m 50s):
So cute. And I have a program from this. I totally had forgotten until I started like getting into it. I was like, oh yeah, that’s a good cool thing to have. Oh

Anne (10m 59s):
Cool. Yeah.

Ashley (10m 60s):
And there’s great photos of her again, like we said with Heather O’Rourke and then also with Robert McNaughton from E.T. E.T. Won like everything that year I guess. And it was kind of unusual. And then she

was nominated and attended several other years and supposedly she hosted them in 1985, which is so cool.

Anne (11m 19s):
Oh! We gotta find footage of that.

Ashley (11m 22s):
I knew she attended, but I know we just have photos. But every year it’s like hosted by a child actor, so it makes sense.

Anne (11m 29s):
Aw, that’s so cute.

Ashley (11m 30s):
I don’t know if they still go on or not. Probably not.

Anne (11m 34s):
I don’t feel like I’ve been in tune with the Youth in Film Awards for sure.

Ashley (11m 39s):
Not on your radar, huh?

Anne (11m 41s):
No, it’s not. You know, it’s not. Although, you know, if I had been a fan in the eighties, it might be. Yeah. Like everything that I know about in the industry is basically because of Drew. All right. So let’s get into what’s new with Drew. It looks like you’ve pulled quite a few little tidbits, Ash. So let’s talk about it.

Ashley (12m 1s):
You know what’s funny is that we, two episodes ago we were like, oh, the new Drew magazine, it’s coming, we’ll talk about it when we get it and then we forgot to talk about it Last week.
Anne (12m 11s):
Oops.

Ashley (12m 11s):
But we did a live on Instagram, so if you do wanna see, you know, what’s in the magazine and what our opinions are on it, you can go watch that. Either it’s on the Drewseum Instagram and you can see us chatting about it live.

Anne (12m 25s):

Yes. Just a couple little tidbits that are fun about it. For those of you who don’t check out the live and don’t have the magazine in your hands for some reason. A couple things that are cool. It’s the first time she’s had anyone other than just herself, well she’s on the magazine as well, on the cover.

Ashley (12m 40s):
That’s not a dog.

Anne (12m 41s):
Yes. Other humans.

Ashley (12m 42s):
Other humans. Yeah.

Anne (12m 44s):
And also her handwriting is featured on the cover as the little names for each of the individuals on the cover, which was really cool. So we talked about that in the ins in the Instagram Live. But just thought I would bring that up.

Ashley (12m 57s):
Speaking of humans. That’s a great segue. Drew got a new tattoo.

Anne (13m 1s):
Yes.

Ashley (13m 3s):
So exciting. So I did a little, a little research, a little sleuthing, and I found out that she got it on your birthday Anne, November 7th.

Anne (13m 13s):
Happy birthday to me.

Ashley (13m 14s):
So cool. I don’t know, it just seems special because we are talking about getting some tattoos right now. We are Anne and I, and also our friend Joalena. So for her to get a new one on your birthday just felt like a good sign. I like it.

Anne (13m 29s):
Yeah. Like we needed more encouragement to do this. We’ve been talking about it for years.

Ashley (13m 32s):
Truly.

Anne (13m 33s):
You know, like literally years and always trying to figure out like what’s the thing that we can do to like honor how we met, you know, our connection. So that’s coming up. So anyway, let’s talk about what the tattoo is. So she just got the words simply, I am human under her existing tattoo that says Home is where we are. And it’s on her right arm. It’s tattoo number 12. And I like this that she said she likes all but two of them, one of which we know is the flowers on her hip and what else do we think?

Ashley (14m 4s):
I think the other one is the bird. And the only reason I say that is because it’s the most random and it’s the one we don’t know anything about. Like why does she have that bird? That’s my guess.

Anne (14m 15s):
I feel like at some point she talked about how the moon doesn’t really look like a moon anymore, but I think she also really loves it, right?

Ashley (14m 23s):
Yeah. I don’t know. It could be the moon. What do you think Anita?

Anita (14m 27s):
I mean, so isn’t there one that says Jaid?

Ashley (14m 30s):
True.

Anita (14m 30s):
Yeah. So I mean that that might be, and not necessarily, yeah, I don’t know. Possibly the moon would be my guess as well because I think she basically said that it’s just blurry and you can’t tell that it’s a moon anymore. Yeah. But that’s something that, I don’t know if there’d necessarily be regret there. We might be right about the bird. I would be very curious to know the meaning behind that one

Anne (14m 58s):
Me too. Dying to know. Except for every time I see it, I’m like, I love perching birdies.

Anita (15m 2s): Of course.

Anne (15m 2s):
And I said that when we’re in New York, which I’ll talk about more in a minute too.

Ashley (15m 8s):
Oh, okay okay.

Anne (15m 8s):
Another tease guys.

Ashley (15m 9s):
She did say that she thinks she’ll be getting tattoos for the rest of her life, which is fun to imagine. They’ll still be coming,

Anne (15m 16s):
They’re gonna end up on her face if she keeps going.

Ashley (15m 19s):
Oh no. This one was done by artist John Mesa live on the show, sorta? Like when they actually started the show, it looked like it was already over, so…

Anne (15m 29s):
Oh!

Ashley (15m 29s):
I don’t totally know how that went.

Anne (15m 32s):
Like it was too fast. Yeah, we weren’t filming yet, John.

Ashley (15m 36s):
But she did say it was the least painful one she’d ever gotten. So he has like a little, a really light touch apparently.

Anne (15m 41s):
Nice. The text is very thin also. So I wonder if there’s something about that.

Ashley (15m 47s):
I was thinking that too. Joel Madden was the guest on the show and he approved of what she wrote and he had like a really nice thing to say about it and she said it sent her on her way with little clouds and wings.

Anne (15m 58s):
Aw. And Joel Madden is the one that’s married to Cameron Diaz?

Ashley (16m 2s):
Nope, it’s the one that’s married to Nicole Richie.

Anne (16m 5s):
Okay.

Ashley (16m 5s):
But she’s like, we’re not family, but we kind of are My best friend is married to your twin brother, like you know,

Anne (16m 12s):
What’s the other brother’s name? I’m blanking.

Anita (16m 14s):
Benji.

Ashley (16m 14s):
Benji. Yep. Yep. That’s right.

Anne (16m 16s):
Thank you for pulling that out.

Ashley (16m 18s):
Still is so random to me. Like him and Cameron I go never would’ve.

Anne (16m 21s):
Yeah. But also it’s like she did date like Jared Leto who was like in a band, you know, like maybe

Ashley (16m 29s): Justin Timberlake.

Anne (16m 29s): Yeah, that’s true.

Ashley (16m 30s):

Related I guess.

Anne (16m 31s):
Yeah. So maybe she’s just really attracted to people who she’s seen on stage.

Ashley (16m 36s):
I mean we, we all get that.

Anita (16m 39s):
Yeah. She likes the musician, who doesn’t.?

Anne (16m 41s):
Exactly. Exactly. Funnily enough. So I was watching the Megan Fox interview, which was really good. And I totally had this like very subconscious thought of like, wow, Drew’s arm is really getting full like with all those tattoos. And then I realized it was actually already there. It was like before we knew she got the tattoo. But

Ashley (17m 5s):
yeah Filming schedule wise, they had already filmed it and I was like, oh, part of me subconsciously knew there was something new there, but I didn’t,

Anne (17m 12s):
You’re so familiar with like how full her arm is that like, you’re like, that’s weird. Why is that weird?

Ashley (17m 17s):
And then this is just on the same sort of tattoo train. So she had an interview with the F-1 driver, Daniel Ricciardo, and she showed him a picture of her James Cherub tattoo because he has a similar angel and either the way they showed it and they edited it or it’s real, his name is totally blacked out now, so I’m so curious like did they just like Photoshop it or has she gotten it covered? Like it was more than, I think it could have naturally bled to,

Anne (17m 53s):
Yep. Maybe.

Anita (17m 53s):
Oh,

Ashley (17m 53s):
We’ll have to share a screenshot of it.

Anita (17m 57s):
Maybe that’s one of the regret tattoos maybe.

Anne (18m 0s):
Maybe.

Ashley (18m 1s):
Yeah. But then I was like, if she’s showing it to him. So could she say she doesn’t? I don’t know. I don’t know. But I thought it was pretty funny that his name is totally, totally gone. And then of course I have, you know me, I’m such a little bitch, I gotta call out anytime that Drew gets her dates wrong.

Anne (18m 20s):
Of course

Ashley (18m 20s):
She’s like, she’s like, I got this one when I was 13. I’m like, Drew, you did not know Jamie Walters. Like you dated him four years later. That’s when you got this tattoo too.

Anne (18m 31s):
I think that’s what she needs to hire us to do. I think we’ve said this is just to be like, I’m gonna talk about this on the show. Can you tell me the timeline? Thanks.

Ashley (18m 39s):
Fact checkers, we’re here for it.

Anne (18m 40s):
Okay, so what else you got for this week?

Ashley (18m 45s):
Drew also was part of the Domino, Domino Magazine Good Design Awards. So for home products. And she was one of six guest editors who helped choose a bunch of products that were especially cool this year, I guess.

Anita (18m 59s):
That’s neat.

Anne (19m 0s):
Okay. She helped choose some for it. Yeah. Okay.

Ashley (19m 4s):
Also the beautiful Drew chair was on the list, which, conveniently enough. I dunno if that’s a little coincidence or what.

Anne (19m 13s):
I wonder, I wonder if it’s sort of like if you are a designer that has something that’s been highly like rated, you get to be on the like judging side as well. Maybe it’s like, maybe it works like that. I don’t know.

Ashley (19m 27s):
Maybe.

Anne (19m 27s):
I would like to think they wouldn’t just like, people wouldn’t just be nominating their own products. Who knows?

Anita (19m 32s):
Who know. I see so many versions of that chair as well. Like everywhere now. Yep. But there are multiple colorways now. Yep. There’s it used to be white and now there’s like a sage green.

Ashley (19m 44s):
Yes.

Anne (19m 44s):
I want the sage.

Ashley (19m 46s):
Yes,

Anita (19m 46s):
I love the green.

Ashley (19m 48s):
And then the final thing I wanna mention, and then I’m gonna take like a little backseat and just listen to you guys. The Drew Barrymore Show hit a Ratings high. This is via The Wrap and I guess it was a 22 week ratings high averaging 1.1 million viewers in the Last week of October. And it is currently the number three most watched syndicated talk show. So Wow.

Anne (20m 12s): Nice. Yes.

Ashley (20m 13s):
I guess the whole scandal of the writer strike didn’t hurt them too badly.

Anne (20m 18s):
Well, unless, unless that’s why people are tuning in. ’cause they’re like, can we really hate Miss Drew Barrymore? And then they’re like, no, it’s impossible. Yeah, no, but that’s congrats to Drew and the show. That’s so cool. Yeah.

Ashley (20m 31s):
Great news.

Anne (20m 32s):
Howdy, Drewbies.

Ashley (20m 37s):
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Anne (21m 55s):
Okay. I know you said you wanted to take a back seat and I gotta just jump in the driver’s seat right now.

Ashley (22m 5s):
Well I’m just like, I feel like I’m gonna be one of our listeners right now. I’m like on the edge of my seat because I, I have heard parts of this story, but you were standing on a busy New York street while you were telling me

Anne (22m 16s):
I sure was.

Ashley (22m 16s):
Let’s hear what you guys did this week.

Anne (22m 21s):
Okay, so our weekly topic is just talking about, you know, a little old visit to New York City that Anita and I took this past week. Yay. Yeah. So our visit included The Drew Barrymore Show on November 16th. We attended the first taping of the day and it’s going to air on the 22nd and now we’re gonna get into our story a little bit. Okay. So the first thing I wanted to talk about with this taping is that we are lucky enough to be in contact with Drew’s current personal assistant who has been really lovely but we haven’t really been able to do any events to like really utilize that contact. So this was one of the first things that we were able to do is reach out and say, Hey Anne will be there, what can you do?

Anne (23m 4s):
So we didn’t really know what that would mean.

Ashley (23m 7s):
I do wanna interject and just say a big thank you to Tony Crago. Tony was Drew’s assistant at one point and he kind of helped introduce us to her current one. So thank you to Tony and if you guys wanna know more from Tony, we’re gonna be doing a Q&A episode with him real soon. So be on the lookout for the call for questions.

Anne (23m 26s):
Yes. And also check out the previous episode we did with Tony, which was a lot of fun. Yep. Okay. So we got that affirmative, we’re in sort of thing. And then Anita and I quickly planned the trip, so literally like a little over a week before we planned this trip. Okay.

Anita (23m 43s):

Since I’m riding shotgun. Yes. Can I just say

Anne (23m 47s):
Yes.

Anita (23m 48s):
It was on your birthday that you were basically like, should we do this?

Anne (23m 53s):
Yes.

Anita (23m 54s):
Can this be a thing?

Anne (23m 56s):
I think you’re right.

Anita (23m 56s):
Can we go to New York City? And it just kind of all came together so quickly and so easily that it felt 100% like meant to happen.

Anne (24m 5s):
Yes.

Ashley (24m 5s):
Love it.

Anne (24m 6s):
Yeah. And I don’t really believe necessarily that the universe cares about us little humans, but sometimes it feels like you’re getting a little push, you know, it’s like, yes, absolutely. You feel something happening and it’s like I just have to do this. And I’m very fortunate that I am able to just pick up and do that. I mean obviously let’s go ahead and just jump to New York City. So we made our way there. We were there by Wednesday the 15th in the evening and just so excited. We’re like, can’t wait till the morning, just kind of buzzing all night. And then we’re making our way that morning to the studio and right when we get to the block of the studio, Ross is on the corner and so. And I kind of nudged Anita and she’s like, what?

Anne (24m 48s):
What? And then I was like, I’m just gonna go for it because we were about to cross and everyone in New York jaywalks. Okay. So like it was just us and Ross and maybe there was someone behind us, but there

really weren’t that many people like on the corner. And so I, I just like kind of looked over and was like, hi Ross.

Ashley (25m 1s):
Oh my gosh.

Anne (25m 2s):
And then I was, and he’s like, oh hi. He was like really sweet. And I said, we’re coming to the show. And I just wanted to say hi and we’re really big fans of Drew and we’re so excited. And he was like, great, I’ll see you. And I’ll look a lot better than this. And he looked great. Of course he always looks put together. I know, right? So I was like, you look amazing what you’re talking about. And then we’re like, okay, see you in there.

Ashley (25m 21s):
Aw. Yeah. Can I ask real quick? Yeah. Did he seem to realize that you guys were there?

Anita (25m 26s):
Yes, he did.

Anne (25m 27s):
Did he say something like, oh you guys got great seats?

Anita (25m 29s):
Yes he did. He came up to where we were sitting and he, he made a comment like that so he went hundred percent like realized where we were and that he had seen us on the street. Oh cute. Yeah, it was very cute.

Anne (25m 39s):
And I wish I would’ve like thought to take a picture but I was just like, he’s on his way to work. Literally.

Ashley (25m 43s):
Yeah. And you’re like crossing a street. That’s ok.

Anne (25m 45s):
Yes. But I’m glad I just acknowledged ’cause of course he was so sweet. I wanted to say also that we got permission ahead of time from her staff to bring Drew a gift. You’re not supposed to do that. It says it explicitly on the ticket

Ashley (25m 56s): Breaking the law. Yeah.

Anne (25m 58s):
We were instructed by her assistant to hand it to this really sweet guard. I think I said something about like really appreciating his role in protecting Drew or something. And he is like, yeah, he said something about how Drew like hugs everyone and is very like, you know, welcoming and sometimes that makes them feel a little bit like, come on Drew. Like don’t be so like opening yourself up to everybody. So it’s kind of interesting.

Ashley (26m 15s):
I could definitely see that. Yeah.

Anne (26m 22s):
I sort of explained to him ’cause he’s like, who are you that we’ve been in touch with her staff for many years and deeply respect that chain of command. At which point he brought up Chris Miller and like, do you know Chris Miller? And I was like, oh yeah, I actually met him in 2001 and that was my initial connection. And then we kind of both gushed about him a little bit.

Ashley (26m 37s):
How cute. Can I say when you texted me and you’re like, oh I had to give the gift to a security guard. I was like, damn it. Like it’s just gonna go in some random like pile of gifts. But no, then when you explained I was like, oh okay, that’s better.

Anne (26m 55s):
The little gift that we wanted to get Drew, actually it’s kind of funny how it came up.

Ashley (27m 0s):
It is.

Anne (27m 1s):
So last week in our episode we used a little clip about Drew saying she calls her house, Chez Sardine. And when we did that I was like, okay, I gotta make sure I can find this clip later. So then I like just typed the word Chez Sardine into our text and I think you did a, a test search to see if it would work. It was just sort of a silly thing. And you saw that you’d had a screenshot of a really cute tea towel.

Ashley (27m 25s):
So yeah, I, I mean I can tell this part because I actually am involved with this part. Yeah. So I just did like a random search sardine in my text and because the technology is insane now, it pulled up this tea towel that I had sent you a picture of a while back like, oh we should get this for Drew because it has a really cute illustration of three little sardines in their little tin can just like Drew and her daughters in bed. Yep. And and I was like, wait a minute, we should actually get this for her now that you’re going. So there was this whole thing, I won’t like go too far into it, but we ended up having to get it overnighted and luckily like the both the

maker of the towel and the shop where we bought it were super awesome and worked with us to make sure it got there in time.

Ashley (28m 9s):
So it was just kind of, again, it all worked out. It was like one of those signs as well.

Anne (28m 13s):
Yep. And then we had it delivered to my hotel and I was so excited when I got there and it was there. It was like, yes. Success.

Ashley (28m 19s):
Yes, I know. And we’ll share a picture of it in the episode page. Of course.

Anne (28m 23s):
Yes. And I’ll, I’ll mention that a little bit more later ’cause we were able to give it to Drew. We got a little bit of a response, so we’ll talk about that in a minute. When we got there we were ushered past like the lines of regular ticket holders, which always feels a little bit weird. Yeah. When we got in, we were greeted by name. I think they like talked to each other. Everyone has like a radio. So when we walked in they’re like, and we’re like, oh yes. Wow. And we were handed tickets with a little blue highlight across the front, which when I saw that I was like, what do other people’s tickets have? Like what does that mean? Because we still didn’t know where we would be sitting in the studio. Sure. And we’re just like thrilled like we’re here. And I also, before I really like move forward too much, Anita has never been able to meet Drew.

Anne (29m 5s):
So this was this opportunity for us to meet New York and for that to happen, like there was a certain buzzing ness. Like I was so excited for that

Ashley (29m 14s):
Same

Anne (29m 14s):
While we were sitting in Thera waiting room. This was one of the coolest like things. Yeah. Drew’s assistant was walking by and she was with the dogs Douglas and Lucy and we got to have a little moment with them. So I think I just, just like, hey. And she came over and the dogs were right at her tail. I started petting Lucy immediately. It was like such a fluffy sweet cloud. Oh my gosh.

Ashley (29m 41s): Amazing.

Anne (29m 41s):
And Lucy almost started to like lay down at my feet.

Anita (29m 46s):
Aw.

Anne (29m 46s):
Douglas was also there and I, I sort of like, the word that kept coming to my mind when I was thinking back on it is like, Douglas is so like regal and attentive. That’s sweet. Like it’s very cute and Lucy just seems like, is like, all right, I’m just gonna lay down here and chill. It was so cute. Okay.

Ashley (30m 5s):
Question. Did you tell Douglas and Lucy to listen to our pets episode?

Anne (30m 9s):
I, I didn’t, I didn’t wanna make a spectacle. I always felt like I was

Anita (30m 13s):
Ata,

Anne (30m 14s):
But yes, it was my chance to say thank you to her assistant for you know, getting us in there and gave her a big hug. And yeah, it was cool seeing the dogs. I mean amazing

Ashley (30m 25s):
If

Anne (30m 26s):
You watch the show, you know, you know that the dogs are around

Anita (30m 29s):
But yeah,

Anne (30m 30s):
I didn’t know that I would get to see them first so that, no

Ashley (30m 33s):
Kidding. Did anyone else in the waiting room like seemed to recognize the dogs?

Anne (30m 37s):
I don’t know.

Anita (30m 38s):
Yes. I felt like there were a couple of people who definitely kind of knew and recognized the dogs and tried to call them over. Oh my God. But the dogs did kind of immediately come to us and stick near us and like lay down near us. It was one of my favorite moments of the entire experience.

Ashley (30m 56s):
That is so cool.

Anne (30m 57s):
And we were joking after like I’m like, well we just have the aura, like Drew, like we’ve been, we’ve been modeling our like aura after this lovely person that happens to be their mom. So like Drew.

Anita (31m 10s):
Yeah. We could sense it. It was very nice of her to come in and like give us hugs. Yes. Oh

Anne (31m 18s):
Totally.

Anita (31m 19s):
And speak with us and yeah. I think she even thanked you for the gift perhaps.

Anne (31m 23s):
Maybe. I think she might’ve said Drew loved it at that point.

Anita (31m 27s):
Yeah, yeah, that’s right. She did. Oh wow.

Ashley (31m 29s):
That’s crazy to imagine like this was being delivered to her and you were on the other side of the wall.

Anne (31m 35s):
Yeah. Like she was looking at it. Well it was a trip. Like I saw the security guard who I handed to earlier, like walk by, go like 20 seconds and then come back empty handed. I’m like, that means she’s like in an office like right there.

Anita (31m 48s):

True. But you were also like, I hope that didn’t end up in a garbage can. Yeah, totally.

Anne (31m 53s):
So we entered the studio and we were still, we were kind of standing in line, slowly waiting. They were seating some people in the like kind of bleacher area and some people were sitting in the front like leather chairs, which we still didn’t know. Right. And then right when we walked up they said Anne and Anita.

Anita (32m 11s):
Wow.

Ashley (32m 12s):
That’s so cool you guys.

Anne (32m 15s):
I know. Yeah. And then we’re like yes. And then they ushered us to two of the four very front seats.

Ashley (32m 21s):
Yes.

Anne (32m 21s):
And we’re immediately like, what are we doing here? You know?

Anita (32m 25s):
Yeah. It was surreal.

Anne (32m 27s):
It was

Ashley (32m 29s):
Was the set just as beautiful as like it looks on screen,

Anne (32m 32s):
It was really beautiful but as usual of course like you can, you know when you walk into one of those studios you see like behind the facade. Yeah, yeah. Which is such a funny thing. And when you’re actually there, like there are camera cables everywhere. But it was really like a beautifully designed studio. We were admiring some of the books that were in the like side. Oh cool. Seats we were in were like leather swivel chairs. I know,

Ashley (32m 56s):

They’re so pretty. Yeah, I’ve totally noticed though.

Anne (32m 58s):
So comfy, the interview area was about 10 feet to our right and the kitchen area was about like 15 feet to our left just to kinda give you like gauging where stuff was happening. And

Ashley (33m 8s):
Then the Drew’s news

Anne (33m 10s):
Desk. Drew’s desk. Desk. Yeah.

Anita (33m 10s):
Feel like once we got in there and we’re seated I was like wow. It feels a lot smaller than it appears like on tv. Yes.

Anne (33m 17s):
And also the audience is not like a large, a super large audience.

Anita (33m 21s):
No, not at all.

Anne (33m 23s):
Okay. So now we get into Drew actually arriving on set. Yeah.

Ashley (33m 26s):
Where’d she enter from?

Anne (33m 28s):
I think she entered from the side door on the left. Do you remember Anita?

Anita (33m 31s):
I think she entered from the I. No, did she come down the the from the back

Anne (33m 36s):
Behind us?

Anita (33m 36s):
I think she came from behind us.

Ashley (33m 38s):
Yeah, I was, that’s kind of what I was wondering.

Anne (33m 41s):
But we were just like, our head was swiveling everywhere, like where is she gonna come from? So she first like was kind of ushered over to the area where she would be interviewing Lisa Ling and I thought it was after the interview that she actually like locked eyes with us. But Anita reminded me that it was actually before. So yes she walked over there. Oh my god. And then looked right at us and smiled and waved and then just kind of started to like shuffle over

Ashley (34m 10s):
Oh my God.

Anne (34m 10s):
And came over and like immediately hugged us and I think the first thing she said to me was, I love the gift or something to that effect. Oh she said she like wanted to come back and try to talk more but of course she’s running her show. We had the quickest little introduction to Anita.

Anita (34m 29s):
Yeah.

Anne (34m 29s):
Can you gimme your perspective on that moment Anita? ’cause I feel like I was so like what is happening?

Anita (34m 36s):
It’s so funny ’cause that’s the moment I remember the the best.

Anne (34m 40s):
Okay.

Anita (34m 40s):
Oh so she came out and she kind of like turned around and said I think a couple of things to like the rest of the audience to all of us I guess. And then she walked over to do the Lisa Ling interview and she sat down in the chair and then she kind of was like surveying the audience and looked over at us and then she made eye contact with both of us. But then she looked specifically at Anne and I think she like started to talk but then she realized she was quite far to make it like personal. Yeah. So then she got up and came over and was like hugging both of us and like speaking with us for an extended period when they should be filming.

Anita (35m 21s):
And then she like started to walk back over afterwards and like said something to the effect of like, oh like I’m so sorry like that, you know, I took the time to do that. Or like, I’m making us behind or something like that. I can’t really remember what the wording was, but she like actually took classic Drew. Yeah. She like took that moment when she like kind of put off the interview with Lisa to come and speak with us. Which I thought was very, very

Ashley (35m 47s):
Lisa’s like. Hello.

Anita (35m 48s):
Yeah.

Anne (35m 49s):
The other thing I wasn’t aware of, but obviously if I was in the bleachers and I saw Drew go up to somebody, I’d be like, who the hell’s that? Totally. Also, I, I have to like step back a second and say that the warmup person, which if you’ve ever been to a talk show, which Anita you had before, Ashley of course you and I’ve been to send, they do the, you know, the warmup person comes out and they were like, Drew loves talking to the audience. She’ll probably try to talk to all of you. Oops.

Anita (36m 16s):
Whoop.

Anne (36m 16s):
Or just the two of you right there. Yes. But so I, I do feel like we got like that attention there was, there was some other talking to the audience moments for sure. One other cute thing that I do remember from that moment is that she was kind of starting to walk back away from us towards the interview spot and she was like wanting to show her sardine ta to, to us I guess. Yes. Because she started to kind of try to unbutton her sleeve and I was like I know, I know. That’s why we got it for you.

Anita (36m 44s):
Yeah. But she couldn’t do it. She’s

Ashley (36m 46s):
Like, you won’t believe this but I have a sardine.

Anne (36m 48s):
Okay so now I’m just gonna like say what kind of what the segments of the show were just ’cause it’s kind of cool to talk about what we saw. So she did an interview with Lisa Ling as we, as we mentioned and it was an

investigative report she did about psychedelic mushrooms being used for trauma and mental illness and all kinds of stuff. Really fascinating. Wow. And one of the things Drew said was that yeah she has done mushrooms but when she’s done mushrooms she’s running in a field and listening to Ridge against the machine

Ashley (37m 27s):
That tracks.

Anne (37m 27s):
Yes. And then even though the, our view was kind of obstructed by these like massive TV cameras, we were able to see Drew kind of in like three quarter profiles sometimes depending on how she was looking. I don’t, I don’t know what your view was Anita at that

Anita (37m 45s):
Point. Yeah, same.

Anne (37m 47s):
Okay. But what we loved and we kind of cracked up about after is that we could see Douglas on like the fluffy rug at their feet, like cleaning himself almost the whole time. Oh my gosh. Which is so cute.

Anita (37m 58s):
Yes.

Anne (37m 58s):
Yeah. So, and other thing I’ll say about the dogs is I didn’t see Lucy for like almost the entire show until there’s a cooking segment towards the end and I saw Lucy kind of roaming around. I think you pointed out Lucy to me. Yeah.

Ashley (38m 12s):
She’s like food time

Anne (38m 13s):
Douglas was like following Drew everywhere. It was very cute.

Ashley (38m 16s):
Oh sweet. Anita, can I ask you, did you feel like Drew’s so tiny in person when you saw her where you’re like, oh my God she’s so tiny like that, that I always feel that way?

Anita (38m 26s):

Yes and no. No. I don’t know. I think maybe because this sounds strange but I used to be much larger. Like I’ve lost a lot of weight and so I feel like my perspective then is maybe a little bit different than it might be now. But Oh interesting. I, I feel like she wasn’t as like tiny as I think I pictured in my mind. Oh she’s definitely like a petite person but I don’t know she just wasn’t as like petite and little as I think I expected her to be.

Ashley (38m 56s):
Fascinating. Yeah. Okay, cool. Just curious.

Anne (38m 58s):
Ashlyn and I have always said every time we see her I’m like struck by how small she is. Right. But it’s not like, it’s not even one thing. It’s not like she’s so skinny or she’s so short. It’s like just

Ashley (39m 9s):
All around.

Anita (39m 10s):
Right. All

Anne (39m 11s):
Around. So now Drew’s news, which was so cute and fun as it always is, Drew and Ross, they had a story about texting and about like in relationships especially early in the relationship, like if texting is a good idea. Yeah. And Drew was like so firm in the, I hate texting side and Ross talked about how much he loved it and it was just kind of funny when you guys see the show, if you’ll see her just kind of like, I hate it. I hate it.

Ashley (39m 43s):
I can totally visualize that. I don’t even need to see you right now. I know the face.

Anita (39m 48s):
I’m with her by the way. You’re

Anne (39m 51s):
With her.

Anita (39m 51s):
Oh absolutely.

Anne (39m 52s):
Yeah. I’m such a texter. I do remember she said something like, I love it for logistics but other than that, yes

let’s just enjoy our time in person. Let’s not try to like communicate stuff through this.

Anita (40m 2s):
Exactly. I agree.

Anne (40m 3s):
I understand the idea but I’m just so, I’m like such a like into all the technology, let’s use the things that make efficient. Right. I don’t know. So I

Anita (40m 13s):
Think I’m very easily like misunderstood through text.

Anne (40m 14s):
Okay, okay. And

Anita (40m 16s):
Just in general honestly as a human. But I feel like through text especially, I always feel like there’s like, wait did you mean this? Yeah. Or did you mean that that happens a lot. So I think it’s way easier in person.

Anne (40m 27s):
It lacks tone. Yeah,

Anita (40m 28s):
True. Totally.

Anne (40m 29s):
So I get it. It was just really cute hearing her like ha

Anita (40m 34s):
Yeah

Anne (40m 34s):
There was a segment where they talked about like this tip that they like read about, about cutting a piece of cake using tongs, like kitchen tongs and they attempted to cut a piece of cake with the beautiful tongs, which I feel like that type, they’re like a bulkier handle. So I think that’s why it didn’t work. But anyway, it kind of failed. It kind of like smashed the cake. It was pretty funny.

Anita (40m 58s):
Yeah. They’re like rubber handles and I feel like you need like the The fully metal Yeah the metal metal tong.

Yeah.

Anne (41m 3s):
Like the flat handle ones. Yep. But Drew like tasted the cake I guess not realizing that it was pumpkin spice and she apparently hates pumpkin spice.

Anita (41m 12s):
Yeah.

Ashley (41m 13s):
I think she said that recently on the show.

Anita (41m 16s):
And then Ross offered like a piece to the audience. Yes. And I was very tempted to get it but I felt like it was one of those weird moments where I couldn’t tell if it was just for like to be so offering it. You know what I mean? Or if he really did some want someone to come up and take, take the piece of cake and try it.

Anne (41m 34s):
Well after the fact when I had that massive headache I really was wishing we had had that piece of cake.

Anita (41m 39s):
Absolutely.

Anne (41m 40s):
So one other thing that I, that I thought was really cute when we were watching the Drew news segment at one point, I don’t remember what they were talking about, but Drew looked over and we were petting Douglas ’cause Douglas had come down and she like, oh my god. And she gave us like a really scrunchie face smile and it was so cute ’cause it looked like she was like proud mama.

Anita (42m 2s):
Yes. Oh that’s so special. Isn’t cute. Absolutely

Anne (42m 6s):
That cute.

Ashley (42m 6s):
Love that. Oh my gosh you guys,

Anne (42m 9s):

Whenever Douglas was wandering I’d be like, come here. And because we were right up front,

Anita (42m 15s):
That was one of the three like very personal moments. Yes. Aw. Like that’s how I looked at it was like the first was when she came over before interviewing Lisa and then that was the second. Yes.

Anne (42m 23s):
It was so sweet. It was just like a little, I don’t know how to describe it but I loved that like it was like her baby.

Anita (42m 30s):
It was a very intimate moment that you would like almost do to like a friend. Exactly. Or like someone whos come to your home and meeting your pets for the first time.

Anne (42m 37s):
Yes. Like you look across the room at a party and you see them petting your loved your loved one.

Ashley (42m 41s):
I love that.

Anita (42m 42s):
It was so cute.

Anne (42m 44s):
So one other segment they did was a side dish competition because I love that Thanksgiving is like couple days after it airs. The judges were Eric Andre and his writing partner Dan Curry. So that was really fun that Drew did like a celery and Lee soup with Pilar. Yeah. And I forget what the other thing was Ross was doing with someone else and I’m sorry, I don’t know who

Anita (43m 7s):
With some sort of stuffing. Right.

Anne (43m 9s):
It was like a stuffing thing but then it had like falafel in it. I can’t remember. Yeah. It was so fun to see Pilar. Yeah,

Ashley (43m 15s):
I was gonna ask about that.

Anne (43m 16s):

I looked over at Anita and I was like, isn’t she so cute? And we were just admiring like her super cute blonde pixie cut and her, she just has

Ashley (43m 24s):
Like a personal style that I’m like, no one could pull this off, but you always look cute.

Anne (43m 28s):
Yeah. She, she knows what works for her I think. Yeah. So that was fun even though though once again because it was like over to the side TV cameras were basically obstructing our view, but it was still super cool to get like, you know, peeks here and there. A lot of stuff was going on ’cause there were like five people behind the like kitchen area and then Eric Andre and Dan Curry were off to the side. So there were like seven people kind of clustered in one corner.

Ashley (43m 52s):
Wow. That’s unusual.

Anne (43m 53s):
It was kind of crazy. And then Drew and Pilar won for their side dish and they got an award that was like, had a big Turkey on the top. And you remember how a couple weeks ago you said that Drew said she loves the Drew Barrymore show trophies, award

Ashley (44m 8s):
Trophies. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Anita (44m 10s):
That’s

Anne (44m 11s):
Awesome. So this, so this was one of them, I think the very end of the show was this like Turkey dance where they pulled a mother and daughter from the audience and had them wear these Turkey hats and they put boxes of feathers strapped to their back and they had to like kind of like twerk to get the feathers to come out. It was amazing. It was so funny. But the audience members were so cute and the daughter started to tear up when she was talking to Drew. She’s like, I’m such a big fan of you. And then Drew gave her a big hug of course and just made her feel lovely. You could tell it was like a really cool encounter. Anyway, that was super cute. And then after they were like kind of wrapping up the show, they filmed Drew and Eric Andre dance to Islands in the Stream and it’s already been posted on social media.

Anne (45m 2s):
So that’s something that they recorded right in front of us. Like it was immediately in front of us.

Ashley (45m 7s):
I know. I was like, were you guys right here for this? Yep.

Anne (45m 10s):
You were. Yeah. Yeah. And I like how they cut it together. It’s really cute. The one thing they didn’t show is that they attempted to do the Worm and Drew when she stood up had like fuzz all over the front of her clothing and she was wearing like this dark blue suit and immediately like all her people came out and were like rolling her, fixing her hair light

Ashley (45m 31s):
Rollers. Yeah.

Anne (45m 32s):
So after the show finished filming, Drew was standing on stage talking to the audience and she was talking about the holidays. And maybe you’ll have a little bit more of a recollection of exactly what she said Anita. But what I remember is that she talked about like whatever form of family you have, she like said that she didn’t have a traditional family growing up. And even with this blended family now she feels like she finally has that feeling surrounding the holidays of like belonging and all this stuff. And when they were talking, Ross and Drew’s hands were like held tight together. It was really sweet.

Anita (46m 5s):
Oh yeah. It was a very like sweet moment.

Anne (46m 8s):
Yeah. Do you remember anything else about what she said in that moment?

Anita (46m 11s):
I mean that was the gist of it and just a lot of talking about how you can, you know, create a family and that that’s what she’s always sought to do is create her own type of family with friends. And then that’s when she mentioned like kind of like the blended family with Allie and Will and the girls. And it was just a very like vulnerable, intimate moment with her sharing like details like that about her life, which I thought was really sweet. Yeah.

Anne (46m 38s):
And it, it was just to the audience, it wasn’t filmed. It was like that’s really cool. Her kind of like talking to us. Yeah. It was very sweet. And we, you know, we see lots of clips of stuff like this on social media so we saw that like,

Ashley (46m 49s):
I mean maybe it will be posted. That’d be pretty

Anne (46m 51s):
Cool. Maybe could be. So then after that happened, Drew approached us again just as the studio was about to start emptying out. So they were about to like kind of start ushering all of the audience members out. But I don’t know if I’m remembering it exactly right, so please correct me if I’m wrong, but she was basically like almost right away. Like, do you know our social media coordinator? Do you remember Anita? Like,

Anita (47m 12s):
So I kind of feel like when she approached us after filming, I think initially it was to thank you once again for the gift and to just kind of like just speak with us. But then she did, she said something like, have you connected with my social media manager? Yeah. And then you were like, like no. And then we’ve tried and there was a little bit of that discussion and then she was like, here come with me. Follow me. Oh

Ashley (47m 37s):
My God you guys,

Anita (47m 39s):
She motioned us with her arm. Yeah. Like with her hand. And then we just started following her backstage and of course there was this, this huge part of me that was like, we’re gonna see her office. Yeah. We’re gonna be like Right. Obviously we didn’t, it would’ve been amazing.

Ashley (47m 54s):
But are you just like, what is happening? What is happening? Oh my gosh. Absolutely. Yes.

Anne (47m 58s):
I feel like she just kind of said like we need to put you in touch. Which was so trippy. So she walks us over there, we kind of enter like the door that’s right at stage Wright. We’re right by where Fabrizio Moretti’s drawing is. And how did we find out? That was a drawing that he did Ashley,

Ashley (48m 16s):
She did some sort of cool feature on the design of the set and mentioned that they didn’t show that that was it, but I think we both were like, oh that’s definitely gotta be the one that has to be it. It’s like something he did in college, which is so cool. Yeah.

Anne (48m 31s):
She instructed basically the social media coordinator to exchange numbers with me.

Ashley (48m 36s):
God amazing.

Anne (48m 36s):
So we did it right there. We did that. And I started to explain to her just so like she knew, like I didn’t know if they’d already talked about it before, like I have no idea. But I started explaining to this social media gal, I said like, okay, we have a massive archive. I have no doubt that we would have useful material to you to use. Drew said something about like she really wants to do flashbacks. She was talking about flashbacks and she mentioned something about like the strike that there’s like certain stuff they know they can’t use.
Yes. Or something. So they’re trying to like yeah. Figure out what content they can use. And I was like interesting. We’ve got con, I think I said something like we’ve got content at the wazoo.

Ashley (49m 13s):
I mean true. That is another one of our slogans. Content up the wazoo.

Anne (49m 17s):
Yes. And then I, again, I don’t know how this came up necessarily, but she said like they have so much and then she said something like kind of to me, but it seemed like an example to her social media gal Drew said, they gave me one of the only pictures I have of my parents that’s hanging in my house.

Ashley (49m 36s):
Oh my God.

Anne (49m 37s):
And then I was like, yeah and that picture might be from when your mother was pregnant with you and she made this like face like she kind of didn’t remember that fact maybe or I don’t know. It was just like, oh

Anita (49m 49s):
It looked like she was about to tear up.

Ashley (49m 50s):
Yeah, well just like when we gave it to her, we love making her cry.

Anne (49m 53s):
And I think she was pregnant when we gave it to her, wasn’t she? Yes.

Ashley (49m 56s):
That was the whole idea. So that’s crazy because that was like nine years ago or something. And I know how touching that she remembered that’s from us.

Anne (50m 4s):
I know. And I almost, there’s always a part of me that’s like, and this is just me, whatever, questioning my own self worth or whatever, but just being like, she doesn’t really remember who I am, you know, like yeah sure that that they’ve just, her people have prepped her and but that moment I was like, oh, she connects this moment with like the drm, you know, which I was like, yes. Like this is exactly what we want. We wanna be like a source for her.

Ashley (50m 27s):
I also just wanna point out like how many times we have like looked in the background of her pictures or videos like are any of the photos we gave her back there? So to hear that she definitely still has one of them up in her house. Yep. Feels so good.

Anne (50m 39s):
I, that’s definitely the most special one

Ashley (50m 41s):
Too. Yeah. Love that moment. That one like really got me teary when you told me that. Yeah.

Anne (50m 47s):
That that was pretty cool. And maybe you remember a little bit more than I do Anita about how the podcast came up. I think I said it out loud.

Anita (50m 55s):
I think you were the first to actually, yes. You. You did. Yeah. Okay.

Anne (50m 59s):
So I said something like, oh, and we have a podcast now. And Drew said, I just learned about it. Holy shit. Yes. And I think she means from the card, ’cause I mentioned it in the card,

Ashley (51m 9s):
Like, can we just take a moment? Like she knows about the pod now. That’s the thing. That’s a real thing. I

Anne (51m 15s):
Know.

Anita (51m 16s):
Can I also mention that I said I’m not Ashley

Anne (51m 19s):
Because every time I said Ashley, they were looking at you. Yeah.

Anita (51m 25s):
Yes. They kept looking over at me and I didn’t really know what to say. So eventually I was just like, I’m not Ashley.

Ashley (51m 31s):
That’s okay. That happened when Jolena and I went and Jolena had to be like, I’m not Anne. She could come.

Anne (51m 37s):
It’s unfortunate we haven’t done it together.

Ashley (51m 41s):
I know we will. We will. Yeah.

Anne (51m 43s):
In that moment I was like, Anita is an old fan and she’s been a fan even longer than I have. Like she’s here with me. And I was like, we met because of you. Like Oh really? Yeah. Yeah.

Anita (51m 52s):
Oh you guys, that’s so cool.

Anne (51m 55s):
But anyway, Drew said something to the effect of like, yeah, I know about it now and we wanna promote it. And I was like, oh my God. I just kind of like, for a second was like, no,

Anita (52m 4s):
Because

Anne (52m 4s):
I was like, that means too many listeners and I have to do a really good job editing now.

Ashley (52m 9s):
Dude, bring it on. I’m ready. I’m ready. I mean, we’ll see, like we, I think we both have this in common and we’re always like, okay, like we’ll see. We’ll just keep doing what we’re doing. We’re not sitting here like, well this is definitely gonna happen, but if it does, yay.

Anne (52m 24s):
Yes. Okay. So just a couple more little tidbits. I was wearing a, a bracelet that was part of the Dear Drew line that she did with Amazon years ago and Drew noticed it. Yes.

Ashley (52m 35s):
I was wondering about that.

Anne (52m 37s):
I, I mean we know that she’s involved in the things that she puts her name on, but I still have a like a thought that maybe they’re like, okay stuff like this. You know? Sure. Like that, that there might be something where it’s like, okay, we know you’re aesthetic now. We’ll just put your name on it. But I just felt like that gave it this like, oh she really did. Like she knows her lines even though it’s years defunct.

Ashley (52m 56s):
Yeah. I feel like she is like sort of a control freak with her lines. So that makes sense. Not in a good way. In a good way. In a good

Anne (53m 3s):
Way. Yes. But I was like, yes, it’s, and she’s like, oh, that’s so cool.

Ashley (53m 5s):
Well she remember when I went she knows that

Anne (53m 8s):
Drew

Ashley (53m 9s):
Necklace on. Yeah, I know.

Anne (53m 10s):
So cool. And then the last thing I was gonna say is that she mentioned that she wants to frame the TT towel we gave her. Oh my god.

Ashley (53m 18s):
I

Anne (53m 18s):
Think she said like she wants to like hang it in her kitchen or she said something like that. Yeah,

Ashley (53m 22s):
That’s what I was envisioning. Like imagine we’re gonna see it in the background. I will die. Oh my gosh. And I’d be so happy for the maker because it was really cool that she worked with us to get it there in time. Totally.

Anne (53m 33s):
Yes. The ending of it was sort of like a blur.

Ashley (53m 37s):
I’m sure there were people trying to like esher her away. Like let’s go. Yeah. We got stuff to do a whole other show to tape

Anne (53m 43s):
And then Yeah. And then we made our way out and we’re just buzzing and we called you right after. So you got our like

Ashley (53m 49s):
Pretty fresh. I know. I was like screaming and crying in my office afterward. My coworker’s like, are you okay? I was like, oh my God. I’ll try to explain what happened. You’re not really gonna get it. But

Anne (53m 59s):
They’re like, what? Wait, why? Why?

Anita (54m 1s):
Okay. Can I mention like a few details that I just remember from the experience?

Anne (54m 6s):
Yes, please do. Please. Anything I left out and anything that specifically impacted you, I wanna hear all of it.

Anita (54m 14s):
Okay. So these are just little things that I think I, like I noticed about her or things that happened. So one was like when she crossed her eyes.

Anne (54m 21s):
Yeah.

Anita (54m 21s):
Like during, I think it was during Drew’s news in that like very typical Drew way. Yes. And I was just like, ah. There it is. Yeah. There was another moment where she was talking about friendship or something and you

and I and we clutched hands. Yeah.

Anne (54m 34s):
And she

Anita (54m 35s):
Did look at us in that moment. Yeah.

Anne (54m 37s):
Sweet.

Anita (54m 38s):
I remember she kind of like looked over while we were doing that and that was a sweet moment. Yeah. When we went kind of like backstage, she was drinking her iced tea. Oh. With like a silicone straw and she kept biting on the straw.

Ashley (54m 51s):
Oh my gosh.

Anita (54m 52s):
And I, I thought it was really cute. I just kept noticing because I wasn’t talking. Yes. Like for the most part. You and she were talking and like kind of talking about the ze and the podcast and so I felt like an observer and I was taking in a lot of these little like moments and things that were happening. Oh my gosh. And I just remember her chewing on this straw

Ashley (55m 10s):
Dude Anita. You know, we love these tidbits of these. Yes. This is awesome.

Anne (55m 14s):
Yes.

Anita (55m 14s):
Her shoes were really cool.

Anne (55m 17s):
Yeah, they were, they

Anita (55m 19s):
Were like platform heels kind of. And they were like a navy blue or black, like red polka dots. At first I thought

they were hearts.

Ashley (55m 26s):
You know what’s so funny is that I’ve noticed them on the floor of the wardrobe room a lot. Her stylist Lee will like post a picture in, in the mirror every day. And one time I was like, I love those shoes on the ground. I already had my eyes on them.

Anita (55m 40s):
Yeah. They were really beautiful. And I also noticed that a lot of the times when she would approach us or talk to us or like make eye contact, I would kind of like briefly look around after. And I could definitely see that a lot of people in the audience were like, why them? Yeah.

Anne (55m 54s):
We were,

Ashley (55m 54s):
They we, we have felt that vibe many a time where we’re like, Carrie, sorry, not sorry. I guess

Anne (56m 1s):
I’m also thinking a little bit like why me? How did I get this experience? But in a

Anita (56m 5s):
Good way. Yeah, exactly.

Ashley (56m 7s):
Well we’ve worked really hard for these moments so I’ll just say that. Yes.

Anita (56m 12s):
Yeah, for

Ashley (56m 12s):
Sure. Luck.

Anne (56m 13s):
And I also just, I have to express like I still feel very lucky even though there has been this like path sort of laid in advance. Like I think something I wrote in my journal when I was writing about it is like I’m so, I feel so grateful to have like built these connections over the years. It’s not, not just like I just came in there, had a the right vibe and she walked up to it. It’s like it’s not, and it’s not about like the length of the fandom ’cause it’s like, you know, somebody in that audience could have been again like a fan from ET era and we’re just

like absolutely lucky as hell to have like built this and you know, like, and there. And I think the other thing that I love that you said Anita, when you kind of came out of the experience, you’re like, Drew’s just human.

Anita (56m 58s):
Exactly. I feel like obviously it was an amazing experience. I’m so grateful to have had it. But I think sometimes when we meet our idols, this a really amazing thing is to realize like they’re just a person. Totally. And for some people I think that that’s a letdown, but for me it made it even more special.

Ashley (57m 18s):
Yeah. I think that’s one of the things that we’re drawn to about her is that she has flaws. Exactly. And she’s very vulnerable and open about those things. So she’s more relatable that way.

Anita (57m 27s):
Exactly. Oh, and another cool moment that we didn’t mention Yes. Is the first time that she came over to hug us. She had the like sparkle or whatever on her nose. Oh. And we were both like, oh you, well you actually first said you’ve got something on your nose. And she was like, where? And kind of did that look where you’re like kind of trying to look down at your nose to like see what’s on it.

Ashley (57m 47s):
Oh my gosh.

Anita (57m 48s):
We both like pointed to where it was. Yeah. And then she like brushed it off and she was like, thank you. Amazing.

Ashley (57m 53s):
Oh

Anita (57m 53s):
My gosh, that was a great moment.

Anne (57m 57s):
It probably came off of like one of our clothes or something. I think it was right on the tip of her cute little nose.

Anita (58m 2s): How sweet

Ashley (58m 2s):

Did you get to sort of see her in producer mode? Because that was one of the things I thought was so cool when I went to a taping was like I’d never really seen her on a set and how she like works. And it was really cool to see her like sort of be like down to business and being the boss and stuff. Did you get to see that at all?

Anne (58m 20s):
I feel like, I feel like it’s a very well-oiled machine. Yes. And she’s got like a lot of staff doing like very specific jobs. Like I feel like it was a very professional set while also feeling very warm. Like there was a lot of lovely comradery amongst the the like crew. Didn’t you kind of feel that Anita like

Anita (58m 39s):
Absolutely. I feel like probably at the beginning when the chauffeur started, I think that that producer hat was probably on more until they kind of like, you know what I mean? They kind of worked out the kinks. Yeah.
And Now, they know how things flow and how Drew wants things.

Ashley (58m 54s):
Cool. That makes sense.

Anne (58m 56s):
Yeah. Yeah. And like you mentioned sort of the control freak thing around her brands. Like it might be like she found the people she trusts to get the job done. Yeah.

Anita (59m 5s):
For sure.

Anne (59m 5s):
But yeah, I didn’t really see that. But there is that thing of like, okay, just tell me where I need to be and I’m gonna be there. Like she’s there with bells on. We saw that like excitement.

Anita (59m 13s):
Yes. So, and like a couple other things that I’m just remembering right now Yes. Is that her photographer who was on set was taking photos while Anne and I were talking with her backstage.

Ashley (59m 24s):
Yes, that’s right. We’re hoping to get some copies of those, but hopefully by the time this airs.

Anita (59m 29s):
Yes. Yeah. That would be amazing. And then she also, during the Lisa Ling segment was, I mean you’ll hear this obviously and see this when you watch the show, the episode, but she was talking about how she went

on a date with like a veteran. Oh yeah. And he was talking about his experience with Shrooms and how great they were for his like post-traumatic stress disorder.

Ashley (59m 48s):
That’s interesting.

Anita (59m 50s):
And how they stay in touch and they do speak and like text back and forth from time to time. But they like did obviously it didn’t turn into a relationship.

Ashley (59m 59s):
Wow.

Anne (59m 59s):
Yeah. That was interesting. I, I forgot about that. But yeah, she, yeah, she did say she’s very interested in his experience. So that was, that was really cool.
Anita (1h 0m 7s):
Yes.

Anne (1h 0m 7s):
Okay. I’m sure that there’s gonna be like little memories that’ll pop up, but that was our experience of the Drew Barrymore show.

Ashley (1h 0m 14s):
Incredible. Yeah. I can’t even really be jealous ’cause I was just so excited and happy for you guys. Aw. And as it was happening, I guess I should mention this. Yeah. Like I knew, I knew you met the dogs and all that, but then once you guys went in, you know you can’t use your phones at all. Yes. Obviously I’m just for the listeners. Yeah.

Anne (1h 0m 31s):
We had to turn ’em off. So I was just

Ashley (1h 0m 33s):
Like radio silence, like, oh my God, what’s happening? What’s happening? And then I get a message from Tony Crago, a photo of you guys talking to Drew!

Anne (1h 0m 39s): That was so cool.

Anita (1h 0m 41s):
Yeah. I wish I looked less like,

Ashley (1h 0m 44s):
Well weird you were excited that it comes through, but I like, as soon as I saw it I was just like, oh my God. And just so happy for you guys. Yeah. Like it’s happening.

Anita (1h 0m 55s):
Yeah. I just love that there’s photographic evidence that I met her.

Anne (1h 0m 58s):
I know. Yeah. Like if we get nothing else, how cool that we got that.

Anita (1h 1m 2s):
Exactly. Absolutely.

Anne (1h 1m 3s):
The one thing I’ll say about the photo and we can probably share it in the episode page ’cause why not? Sure. There’s a something crazy happening with my hand in Drew’s hand. You just gotta see it.

Ashley (1h 1m 18s):
They’re inter meshing. Yeah.

Anne (1h 1m 19s):
We’re like about to hold hands, but I like have my hand open and hers is like trying to grab my palm. It’s very funny.

Anita (1h 1m 25s):
Yeah.

Anne (1h 1m 26s):
So yeah, there was our magic most recent for me encounter with Ms. Drew

Ashley (1h 1m 32s):
My first Congratulations you guys so cool.

Anita (1h 1m 35s):
My first and most likely only encounter,

Ashley (1h 1m 37s):
But you know. Well it’s a pretty good one.

Anne (1h 1m 39s):
I’d say. So. It

Ashley (1h 1m 41s):
Was amazing. You’re only gonna do one that was the right way. Yeah, absolutely.

Anne (1h 1m 44s):
Okay, so anything else for the end of the show, Ash?

Ashley (1h 1m 49s):
Someone’s ready for me to be done.

Anne (1h 1m 53s):
Okay. I wanna make sure we have a big thank you to Anita for joining us. Thank you so much.

Ashley (1h 1m 60s):
Yes, thank you Anita.

Anita (1h 2m 1s):
Oh, thank you so much for having me.

Anne (1h 2m 4s):
Yes. And thank you for coming to New York with me. Yeah. And then agreeing to of course, spend another hour of your time while L is fussing. No, of

Anita (1h 2m 12s):
Course.

Anne (1h 2m 13s):
I so appreciate it. And yeah, this is really exciting. I feel like it’s a nice, like potential step forward for the pod for this relationship to continue.

Ashley (1h 2m 22s):
Ooh, stay tuned on that one. Yes. We’ll be

Anne (1h 2m 25s):
Absolutely

Ashley (1h 2m 27s):
Yes. So thank you guys. If you do wanna do your own part to help grow the pod, you can subscribe, you can review us on Apple Podcasts, we’ll read it on the air. You can leave ratings on Apple and Spotify and you can follow us on Instagram at How Do You Drew pod and at Drewseum. And we’ll share some stuff for this episode. So you’re gonna wanna be looking

Anne (1h 2m 51s):
Yes. And also don’t forget to subscribe to our Patreon. Find us there at How Do You Drew. Visit our website at How Do You Drew dot com. Check out the episode page for this week for a couple tidbits and little insights into our experience at the Drew Barrymore Show. And send listener mail to How Do You Drew [email protected]. Tell us you know what you love about the show. Send us an email after you watch and let us know if you spot us.

Ashley (1h 3m 16s):
Yeah, I love that. It’s gonna air so soon. That’s so

Anne (1h 3m 19s):
Exciting. Yes. Once again, the episode will air on the 22nd of November and I’m guessing it’s up on the, up on YouTube like the next day.

Ashley (1h 3m 25s):
Sometimes same day. Oh,

Anne (1h 3m 27s):
Cool. And then I’m gonna do a little question to take us out. I, oh, what’s your favorite Thanksgiving side dish?

Ashley (1h 3m 33s):
It’s gotta be food. I’m a, I’m a stuffing girl.

Anne (1h 3m 38s):
Oh, okay. What about you Anita?

Anita (1h 3m 40s):
It’s most likely, I would have to say stuffings a close second, but mashed potatoes.

Ashley (1h 3m 45s):
Oh yeah, that would be my number two. Yeah.

Anita (1h 3m 48s):
I love the curb.

Anne (1h 3m 50s):
Yeah. I mean

Ashley (1h 3m 51s):
Carbs and starch. Yeah.

Anne (1h 3m 53s):
And I would like mash all those things together. But I’m just gonna say my favorite is canned cranberry sauce. No, not the bunny. But part of the reason why is ’cause I feel like I have, it cracks me up so much to pull it out of the can and slice it and then smash it with all the rest of my food.

Ashley (1h 4m 9s):
No. Yeah. I made fresh cranberry sauce yesterday. Yeah. And I promise if you had that you would’ve been like, no more can.

Anne (1h 4m 16s):
No, I’ve, I’ve had lots of different stuff.

Anita (1h 4m 19s):
I’m with you Anne. I like the cans, but

Anne (1h 4m 22s):
It’s, it’s just one of those, it’s so nostalgic and I, when I have cranberry sauce that is like textured, I’m like, this tastes good. But I almost want the weird hand stuff back. Alright, thank you again. Thank you everybody for tuning in and hearing all our excitement about this past week’s fun, fun stuff. And we’ll see you next Drewsday.

Ashley (1h 4m 40s): Thank you. Bye-Bye

Anita (1h 4m 42s): Bye.

Anne (1h 4m 43s):
This episode of the How Do You Drew podcast was researched and produced by Ashley and Anne from thedrewseum.com with help from our sponsor, Positive Medium.
Ashley (1h 5m 5s):
Special thanks to Matt Costa for our lovely theme song, Roxy Prima, for our adorable logo. And last but not least, Drew, Barrymore and all the Drewbies who love her, we do this for you. Thank you.
Anne (1h 5m 16s): Thank you.

Episode 060 – AnOther Magazine & POP, 2005 - Transcript

Ashley (22s):
Hello and welcome to How Do You Drew.

Anne (26s):
This is A Drew Barrymore Podcast, brought to you by the Drewseum dot com

Ashley (30s):
And sponsored by our friends at Positive Medium.

Anne (33s):
I am Anne.

Ashley (34s):
And I’m Ashley. Before we get into anything, my daughter has a friend over and I was like, okay, I’m gonna go record. And she’s like, oh yeah, you have a podcast. What’s it about? And Milla goes, it’s just about this like famous girl she likes. I was like, wow.

Anne (52s):
But would her friend know who that is?

Ashley (54s):
I don’t know. I wasn’t in the room anymore and I was busy, so I didn’t care. I just thought it was interesting,

Anne (1m 1s):
This famous girl that she likes.

Ashley (1m 4s):
I mean, it’s true.

Anne (1m 5s):
I love how like nonchalant that is. Yeah. Your 14 year old.

Ashley (1m 11s):
Yeah, 14 now.

Anne (1m 13s):
Holy. Shit.

Ashley (1m 14s):
I know. Really crazy. When we started this podcast, she wasn’t even a teenager yet. That’s pretty weird.

Anne (1m 14s):
Whoa! That is weird.

Ashley (1m 24s):
Yeah, I know. All right, let’s get down to business. Okay. I wanna give a shout out to our two newest Patreon members. Woo. Julie and our wonderful friend Tess. Hi guys. And thank you.

Anne (1m 29s):
Thank you Julie and Tess. So happy to have you. We will have some fun things for you, I promise. And if you wanna become a patron, go to patreon.com/howdoyouDrew.

Ashley (1m 49s):
Yeah. Yeah. $1 a month. Guys, that’s nothing.

Anne (1m 52s):
It’s nothing. Gotta break down to how many cents that is per day. It’s like 3 cents. Okay, so what do you got for us?

Ashley (1m 60s):
Okay. I kind of put this under follow ups because we had our ranking of our, so we ranked Drew’s performances, like our favorites of Drew’s performances once. Anyway, Entertainment Weekly just came out with a ranking of her 17 best movies and TV shows. I’m not sure why 17. It’s like such an arbitrary number.

Anne (2m 20s):
It is.

Ashley (2m 21s):
And this wasn’t for performances, for what I could tell, it was just the movies or TV shows themselves. Yeah. So I shared it on our Drewseum Instagram @drewseum and it was pretty fun to see a lot of reactions and responses from people who were like, where’s this movie? Where’s this movie? Or this should have been higher. So it was kind of fun. We’ll definitely share it. I’m curious like what were your thoughts on this list?

Anne (2m 45s):
When I went over it I was like, this is too hard for me. Yeah. Like even just us doing what we did, like it was too hard, but I didn’t notice the glaring things that were missing. Okay. I did notice that like some of our favorites are towards the top. Like I wasn’t surprised that like Ever After, I mean, I kind of was a little bit surprised that Ever After is up there, even though we love it.

Ashley (3m 7s):
Yeah.

Anne (3m 8s):
I don’t know. I don’t know.

Ashley (3m 10s):
I was surprised as I was scrolling and I’m like, okay, obviously ET right? And I’m like, yeah, ET is number two. What the heck is number one? Like I could not think of what it was gonna be. Yeah. And then it was Grey Gardens and I was like, oh, okay. But like funny how I just totally forgot about that. It didn’t even cross my mind.

Anne (3m 29s):
Yeah. Yeah. Because I don’t, isn’t there something weird about like how, and maybe it’s about like when things came out. Yeah,

Ashley (3m 36s):
I think that’s part of it.

Anne (3m 37s):
It’s almost like what we think as like our favorite things also have like it have to do with our formative nature of our fandom. Right? Yeah. And Grey Gardens being on there, it’s like, we’re like, yeah, of course. But we already knew she was great by then. You know? It’s

Ashley (3m 49s):
Like, yeah, I was, I was surprised to see Firestarter and Irreconcilable Differences, even though they were the like bottom two. I was sort of like, I feel like Mad Love or Boys on the Side is both of those are better than those films.

Anne (4m 4s):
It’s interesting for within 17 movies to not have Mad Love, at least make an appearance. It’s surprising. Yeah. And you made a good point that Music and Lyrics seems way too high.

Ashley (4m 18s):
Yeah,

Anne (4m 19s):
I agreed That’s, that’s not a favorite of ours

Ashley (4m 22s):
And I don’t think it’s a better movie than Whip It or Confessions of a Dangerous Mind, like objectively. I just don’t think anybody would agree with that personally. I

Anne (4m 30s):
Guess I didn’t look at like the research whose ranking was this, you know? Yeah.

Ashley (4m 34s):
I think it was just one journalist.

Anne (4m 36s):
Okay.

Ashley (4m 37s):
Anyway,

Anne (4m 38s):
It’s fun to think about and I’m glad that we had some fun in our social media with it, so that’s great. Yeah,

Ashley (4m 43s):
We sure did. Thanks everybody for contributing and chiming in. That was, I was like, whoa, we got so much more of a response than I expected. It’s fun to see all those opinions.

Anne (4m 52s):
Yes. All right. What else you got?

Ashley (4m 54s):
This is sort of a follow up as well about Drew’s arm tattoo with the sardines, but on The Drew Barrymore Show, on Drew’s News, they were doing a story about people who name their homes. And Ross I guess has like a fancy one for his house. And so Drew realized that she had something that she could call her home and I thought we could play the audio.

Drew (5m 17s):
Welcome to Chez Sardine. It’s the hottest club in town. It’s so exclusive. It only has three members. Oh, it is open tonight. This is what you do to the girls. Yeah. This is my routine with the girls. Oh, cute. She sardine.

Anne (5m 35s): Chez Sardine

Ashley (5m 36s):
Chez Sardine. And of course this ties back to Drew’s tattoo because she got the three sardines on her arm in honor of her and her daughters being snuggled up in bit together. Super

Anne (5m 47s):
Cute. Yeah, super cute. I love it. It’s so Drew in the perfect way. Yep.

Ashley (5m 53s):
This is super random and it doesn’t really fall under any category, but I wanted to bring it up.

Anne (5m 58s):
Okay.

Ashley (5m 59s):
So you know, obviously that The Adventures of Con Sawyer and HuckleMary Finn, this TV movie that Drew did in 1985 is like the most obscure thing she’s ever done, right? Yeah. Like no one’s seen it. You can’t find it anywhere. It’s just one of those weird sort of lost in time things. It was never released on video. Yeah. So anyway, frequent writing in person Christian a while ago, he found half of it on I think the internet archive.

Anne (6m 30s):
Oh.

Ashley (6m 30s):
So it had apparently like reran in 93 or 94 and somebody had taped it then, which I love because it has all the commercials and it, I remember a lot of them.

Anne (6m 41s):
Oh my God, that’s cool.

Ashley (6m 44s):
But yeah, so it’s just the first half and it’s literally half an hour. So I guess the entire thing is only an hour with commercials, so it’s really short.

Anne (6m 54s):
Okay.

Ashley (6m 55s):
So I kind of had forgotten about it. He had sent it to us and I saved it in our drive. And then somebody out of the blue left us a comment on one of our episode pages asking about it and saying like they’d never, they

could never find it. Oh. And so anyway, it took me down this rabbit hole and I was like, oh my God, I have to watch this thing. It’s not great quality, but it’s there. It’s viewable and Wow. Is it bad?

Anne (7m 20s):
Oh my god.

Ashley (7m 21s):
It’s bad.

Anne (7m 22s):
Do you have like one printed photo from it or something?

Ashley (7m 22s):
I have a couple. I have quite a few press photos. Yeah. Okay. The press photos are out there.

Anne (7m 30s):
Yeah. But that’s so cool.

Ashley (7m 33s):
You need to watch it. It’s like painful. It’s like a lot of the stuff from the eighties where I’m just like, why? What was wrong with people? It’s just rough. I don’t know. I kind wanted you to watch it and then we’ll talk about it at another episode. Let’s do that.

Anne (7m 43s):
Sounds good. Is it possible that for us to link on the episode page?

Ashley (7m 51s):
Yeah, we could. The first half hour of this video is like Winnie the Pooh. So you have to go, you have to scroll halfway through.

Anne (7m 59s):
Oh, okay.

Ashley (7m 60s):
A little heads up.

Anne (8m 2s):
Okay. So since the show’s back, we’ve got to hear all about the things that Drew has passion for. Can you tell me what Drew loved this past week?

Drew (8m 13s):
I love, love.

Ashley (8m 15s):
Okay. This week Drew loves a periodical.

Anne (8m 15s):
Oh yeah.

Ashley (8m 20s):
Martha Stewart. Old News, we know that. Comedy obviously. Being with her friends again, obviously. The two girls club. And I’m a member of that too. Being a mom of two girls, so high five Drew.

Anne (8m 35s):
That’s right.

Ashley (8m 37s):
Cher, exactly as she is.

Anne (8m 41s):
That’s so great.

Ashley (8m 42s):
And I told you when I was watching them talk about Cher, Drew was trying to do an impression of her and saying she couldn’t do it. Yes. And I was dying because she impersonates her at the beginning of SNL in 1999.

Anne (8m 53s):
Yes. It’s my own design.

Ashley (8m 57s):
Thank you. I was hoping you would do that. And then lastly, we got some food things. Drew loves butter, cherry and peach.

Anne (9m 6s): Oh, me too.

Ashley (9m 7s):

Oh yeah. Good combos.

Anne (9m 8s):
All those together.

Ashley (9m 9s):
Ooh, why not

Anne (9m 11s):
Melted into like a crumble

Ashley (9m 13s):
A pie. Yes, A crumble. Oh,

Anne (9m 16s):
We always come back to food.

Ashley (9m 18s):
Always.

Anne (9m 20s):
You know, you might’ve heard us complain a little bit about how many recipes there were in Drew magazine, but I think we actually secretly are completely on board for that.

Ashley (9m 29s):
Good point. Good point.

Anne (9m 30s):
All right. So what did you pull for this week in Drew history?

Ashley (9m 34s):
All right, let’s go to November 18th. Hey, that’s Joalena’s birthday, in the year 2000.

Anne (9m 43s):
Alright.

Ashley (9m 44s):
So this is funny because this kind of came up recently because we had that Pauly Shore doing like a weird fake proposal to Drew on her show.

Anne (9m 52s):
Yes.

Ashley (9m 53s):
So I got flashbacks to this one. So when I saw that this is like this week, I’m like, we gotta talk about it. So let’s talk about Tom Green hosting Saturday Night Live and Drew of course being in attendance

Anne (10m 8s):
And

Ashley (10m 8s):
He pulled her on stage and said that they were gonna get married at the end of the show live right there. Do you remember watching this?

Anne (10m 17s):
Old prankster. Oh my God. Very well. Yeah. I also am still a little bit confused if it was like actually supposed to happen because they have like, they show her in a dress, they show her friends there, her actual friends.

Ashley (10m 32s):
Yeah. So we had Nancy Juvonen and Jillian Fink. Jillian Dempsey now. Yeah. They were there with Drew in the audience and then they’re backstage with Molly Shannon all in bridesmaid’s dresses and that whatever that gown is that Drew’s wearing. Oh my God, sorry. But it’s ugly.

Anne (10m 52s):
It’s old fashioned. I think it’s kind of cute. But what I remember is that on, I guess The Grapevine. Yeah. It had to be The Grapevine. Yeah. We like, people were like, I don’t understand, was it a joke?

Ashley (11m 5s):
Like I think we were chiming in like live while people were watching it. Like I remember being like, oh my gosh, they just showed her backstage like is this really happening? Like what’s going on? My takeaway these days is it was never gonna be real, but they really played it up like throughout the show, making it seem like it was gonna happen. And then so anybody who doesn’t isn’t familiar at the very end, Tom’s alone on stage, Drew never comes. And it just credits roll while he’s go like yelling her name.

Anne (11m 35s):
I bet it was probably just like Tom’s idea. They thought it was hilarious. Oh yeah, for sure. When did they actually get married?

Ashley (11m 42s):
So it would’ve been like eight months later.

Anne (11m 44s):
Okay. But yes, I remember that classic, classic. I love how 2000 her outfit is by the way.

Ashley (11m 52s):
Oh, I totally had a top that I’m like, oh, I must’ve been inspired by this. Like

Anne (11m 56s):
Yeah, not the ugly dress

Ashley (11m 57s):
So similar. No, not the ugly dress, the striped top. Yeah.

Anne (12m 0s):
But it’s like striped top low like. Yeah. Low rise pants.

Ashley (12m 5s):
Actually I’m almost like, are those the same black pants she wore to the Titan AE premiere a few months before where her

Anne (12m 11s):
Probably

Ashley (12m 12s):
Thong straps were showing And she’s got that like super skinny belt. It’s like a chain. Yeah.

Anne (12m 18s):
It’s not really a functional belt. Oh.

Ashley (12m 20s):
But she looks so pretty and

Anne (12m 21s):
She does look really pretty

Ashley (12m 23s):
Crazy how young she is. Just a little baby.

Anne (12m 26s):
She’s got her dark brown hair. Anyway, that was hilarious. That was a good pull. And yeah, it’s funny that it just came up. What’s new with Drew this week?

Ashley (12m 35s):
I didn’t get a chance to do a lot of watching on the show. I’m a little behind this week, so sorry, we’ll catch up next week. But I thought this was cool. So Tallulah Willis, who is Bruce Willis and Demi Moore’s daughter.
She came on the show, I guess it was her first interview ever. Oh. And they had a really great conversation talking about rehab and like having your story about that broken without your consent. I guess a nurse when Tallulah was in rehab, broke the story.

Anne (13m 7s):
Oh

Ashley (13m 7s):
Yeah. They also both talked about how like sharing it afterward to help others and then sort of like how they both know that they have a privileged life but that doesn’t, like, does that mean you can’t complain and like dealing with that. Wow. Yeah, it was really cool. Definitely worth watching. She was a like a lovely person. I, I was really impressed by her. And then I thought this was just kind of a fun random Drew shared a term called Barr-anoia and I guess her dad coined about Barrymore slash paranoia. So like I think there’s a guy up in the tree watching me that That’s crazy. It can’t be, oh no.

Ashley (13m 47s):
There actually is like a paparazzi guy in the tree. That was Drew’s example.

Anne (13m 52s):
Barr-aranoia.

Ashley (13m 54s):
I know. I’ve never heard her say that. So I just was like neither. We have to mention that.

Anne (13m 58s):
I love that her dad coined that I, I feel like every time, but every time we hear some little tidbit of something her dad said like he clearly was just like spouting just hilarious, crazy stuff all the time.

Ashley (14m 10s):
Yeah, he definitely had a way with words.

Anne (14m 13s):
Yeah, totally

Ashley (14m 14s):
Kick that bag man. Yeah.

Anne (14m 18s):
Alright, what else do you got for this week?

Ashley (14m 20s):
And then just the other night, Drew appeared at a 10 year anniversary for Garnier’s Micellar makeup remover that they have that she’s been praising for years and years and years. Way before she was officially like associated with them. Yeah. It looked like maybe they did some kind of a panel. It looked like they were filming like a bunch of segments. I don’t think it was for her show, but it was at the CBS Broadcast Center.
It’s a little confusing. I’m not sure what it was. Okay. She also did the makeup removal of a drag queen called Blue Hydrangea. So it just looked really fun. She looked beautiful and hopefully we know more soon, hopefully we get to see like footage of this. Yeah.

Anne (14m 59s):
And she did look really cute.

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Anne (16m 25s):
Every we ready to get into this weekly topic?

Ashley (16m 27s):
Yeah, let’s do it Magazine time. We haven’t done this in a while ’cause we also love a periodical or two. Yes.

Anne (16m 33s):
Yes we do. Or two or many, many more. Okay. So we are going to do two magazines today. Woohoo.

Ashley (16m 41s):
First time ever.

Anne (16m 43s):
Yes. We’re going to do two magazines that are from both from 2005, both from United Kingdom, both large format, both have different photographer duos or the same one?

Ashley (16m 55s):
Different photographer duos. Both were taken by duos of photographers, random. This is so cool. Yeah.

Anne (17m 1s):
Both are like, is it all full pages in each issue? So cool. When we, when we say full pages, we mean the photograph takes up the whole page, which is like, and

Ashley (17m 11s):
This is big. These are big magazines. Yes.

Anne (17m 14s):
And they both have really unique and rad makeup looks done by Gucci Westman.

Ashley (17m 20s):
Aha. So Gucci is a longtime friend of Drew’s. They’ve worked together a lot and we were lucky enough to get

a couple quotes from her to include in this episode that she provided to us exclusively. So cool.

Anne (17m 34s):
Yay. So cool. Gucci told us, “every time I worked with Drew, she was always game to go for it. It was always so fun to work with her. ”

Ashley (17m 44s):
Yeah. Sounds

Anne (17m 44s):
Just like what a lot of people say about her.

Ashley (17m 46s):
That’s so true.

Anne (17m 48s):
I love that. And we also wanted to make sure we plugged Gucci’s Beauty line, Westman Atelier and make sure you check her out on Instagram @GucciWestman. That’s how we got ahold of her. So thank you.

Ashley (17m 60s):
Thank you. And we’ll have a couple more quotes from her as we go along. More specific to each shoot.

Anne (18m 5s):
Yes, we will. So cool.

Ashley (18m 7s):
Yeah. So let’s start with AnOther Magazine, which is the spring summer 2005 issue. The interview was done by Alex Brown and the photography is by the duo Inez Van Lamsweerde

Anne (18m 22s):
And Vinoodh Matadin. They’re both very unique names.

Ashley (18m 26s):
Yeah. Sorry. I’m sure we butchered them.

Anne (18m 29s):
I had to just step in here and help you out a little bit.

Ashley (18m 32s):

I think sometimes they just go by Inez and Vinoodh.

Anne (18m 36s):
The Hair was done by Kevin Ryan who also worked with Drew on the Vs magazine from 2009 with Ellen Von Unwerth for the Whip It kind of themed shoot.

Ashley (18m 46s):
Which is one of my faves. Yes.

Anne (18m 50s):
The makeup Gucci Westman, as mentioned. Styling was done by Alistair Mackey. Ooh. And I love the little tidbit you pulled here. So the nails were done by Deborah Lippman, who also worked with Drew on Mirabella in 1995.

Ashley (19m 3s):
Yeah. And I think something else that we don’t have at our records, because I noticed I was following her on Instagram already under our account. Oh weird. And so maybe something more recent that she did with her. So that’s really fun.

Anne (19m 15s):
I like how she’s Lippman, but she does nails.

Ashley (19m 20s):
Should be nail woman. Good one. Okay. So Gucci’s exclusive quote to us about this shoot was, “I was inspired by the Charlie’s Angels era with the metallic eye. A lot of blush, top lip, gloss, color, more polished, done and lush.” Love that.

Anne (19m 40s):
Absolutely.

Ashley (19m 41s):
And it really does have that kind of like metallic, glossy vibe to it. The makeup in a lot of these shots.

Anne (19m 47s):
Yeah, it does. Do we wanna get into them a little bit and kind of try to describe these beautiful, beautiful pictures?

Ashley (19m 54s):
Yeah. So both of these have quite a bit. I don’t know that we could sit here and go beat by beat on every

single one of them.

Anne (20m 2s):
Yeah. I guess let’s describe the cover a little bit. So that description, that kind of like metallic eye blush, you know, taupe lips, lip gloss, that’s like, I feel like she’s pretty much describing the cover there.

Ashley (20m 16s):
Yeah. And maybe like the last photo too.

Anne (20m 18s):
Yep. And then there is, okay. My favorite one, even though there are those other ones,

Ashley (20m 22s):
I know what it is.

Anne (20m 25s):
There’s one photo of the back of Drew’s head.

Ashley (20m 28s):
Yeah. Why is it so beautiful and special? That picture? I love it too.

Anne (20m 32s):
I don’t know. And I think I’ve told you that I have a friend who’s an artist, Michelle Blade and she at one point had a painting that she did of this picture in an exhibit.

Ashley (20m 45s):
Oh yeah.

Anne (20m 45s):
And I’ve since asked her like, do you still have that? Like I would would totally love to have it. And she can’t find it.

Ashley (20m 50s):
Oh no.

Anne (20m 50s):
But it was so neat to be like, oh I know that picture. And she was just like, oh yeah, I just loved it. I just pulled it out of a magazine and painted it. I was like, that’s so cool.

Ashley (20m 57s):
That’s such a cool coincidence.

Anne (20m 59s):
Yeah, I know. And those three in the white dress, there’s something so cool about them.

Ashley (21m 3s):
I know. It’s like very vintage-y looking like old vintagey.

Anne (21m 8s):
Yeah. Like almost like turn of the century. Yes. In a weird way. Or like Victorian.

Ashley (21m 13s):
Yep. Yep. And like love that. She’s just like screaming at the sky. Amazing.

Anne (21m 18s):
Yeah, they’re so good. The pictures in this have like a different feeling from picture to picture in a really cool way.

Ashley (21m 23s):
Yeah, I would agree with that. We have finally gotten our scans of fees up on our websites somehow. We lost all of our 2005 magazine files.

Anne (21m 33s):
Ugh.

Ashley (21m 33s):
Just that year. Don’t know why. Don’t know where they went. I’m talking about our digital versions.

Anne (21m 38s):
Yep.

Ashley (21m 38s):
And these are like we said, very oversized and difficult to scan. But yes, we finally got around to it. So you can go on either the episode page or on thedrewseum.com/2005mags and see all of these beautiful photos.

Anne (21m 54s):
Yes. And I would highly recommend it. They’re gorgeous.

Ashley (21m 58s):
Yes. So interestingly enough, the cover image and then one of the inside photos were used in a Lancome campaign that was actually tied in with Gucci, that Drew starred in. And this was in the second set of ads that were released in fall 2005. So they recycled those photos.

Anne (22m 16s):
Yes they did. And I, I’m sure I remembered that at the time. But looking at the again, they’ve changed them up just enough. Yeah. That they’re unrecognizable.

Ashley (22m 25s):
Like you wouldn’t know unless you knew.

Anne (22m 28s):
Yeah. I never, I don’t think I’ve seen these beautiful outtakes.

Ashley (22m 31s):
Oh my gosh. They’re stunning.

Anne (22m 34s):
They’re so stunning. Are they like any of the other ones that were printed maybe like that one that’s her face closeup across two pages.

Ashley (22m 42s):
Yeah. The very last picture. She’s in the same striped top.

Anne (22m 46s):
Okay, got it. Those are the only outtakes we have?

Ashley (22m 50s):
Yep. Sadly only two. But again, we will share those on the episode page. They’re gorgeous. You have to check ’em out.

Anne (22m 56s):
Yes they are.

Ashley (22m 57s):
She looks a lot blonder in those than the other ones.

Anne (23m 0s):

Yeah, she does weirdly. Huh. I’m gonna jump in and summarize the article for us a little bit.

Ashley (23m 7s):
Let’s do

Anne (23m 7s):
It. So even though it was a bit short, it’s pretty cool. So in the article by Alex Brown, it first mentions her age, which I realize like I feel like so many magazines like start by talking about her age.

Ashley (23m 21s):
Yeah.

Anne (23m 21s):
It’s kind of a weird thing

Ashley (23m 22s):
Probably ’cause her age is always sort of off. Like it always feels confusing. Like she either feels too old or too young for that age.

Anne (23m 29s):
That’s a good point. Yeah. Usually they’re saying like, here are the achievements, can you believe it?

Ashley (23m 34s):
Yes.

Anne (23m 34s):
So she was 30 years old at the time, which oddly enough in retrospect, like it feels young. Of course.

Ashley (23m 40s):
Very

Anne (23m 40s):
At the time the Confederacy of Dunces was still in the works.

Ashley (23m 44s):
Yeah. I thought that was fun. I, I forgot about that. Wasn’t Will Ferrell gonna be in that with her?

Anne (23m 50s):
I don’t really remember many details about it.

Ashley (23m 53s):
That’s what I remember.

Anne (23m 53s):
I just remember it was floating around forever. And then it goes on for a while about quantum physics, which I found kind of funny. Drew says she has her pom-poms on right now about quantum physics.

Ashley (24m 5s):
That’s a good Drewism.

Anne (24m 6s):
Yeah, I know. It’s cute. She says her boyfriend who they don’t name. But at the time it was Fab and his father are well-versed in quantum physics, which got her interested in it. She saw the movie What the Bleep Do We Know and loved it. And I liked this quote she said about it, there was a lot of like kind of fun conversation around this. But she said there’s something very empowering about the idea that you are the conductor of your own destiny.

Ashley (24m 31s):
Oh, that’s so true. Huh.

Anne (24m 32s):
Yeah. And I also was like, yes, I feel like that’s like a theme of my life right now. Oh

Ashley (24m 37s):
That’s awesome. Can I just jump in? Yeah. Are you familiar with that crazy sex cult Nxivm that had like a bunch of people?

Anne (24m 44s):
A little bit. Okay. What what about it?

Ashley (24m 47s):
The director of what the Bleep Do We Know was really involved with it and one of the ones who like turned and got a bunch of people out and like took it down.

Anne (24m 57s): Whoa.

Ashley (24m 58s):

There’s a really interesting documentary on HBO called The Vow about it. And that’s why I know.

Anne (25m 4s):
Oh, interesting.

Ashley (25m 6s):
Anyway,I just had to mention that.

Anne (25m 7s):
Just a little side note. In the article they also talk about Best Place to Start though they don’t name it. They just say when you were working on your documentary and if you don’t know it’s her documentary when she’s kind of like learning about politics and voting. ’cause she’d always felt like she felt stupid whenever that conversation came up. This is kind of an interesting thing ’cause she’s like, she wanted to talk about politics in a way that people could understand since she was also learning. So she kind of wanted to be honest about that. She, she was kind of comparing how she did that to like What the Bleep Do We Know what they did for quantum physics she wanted to do for voting, which I thought was cool.

Ashley (25m 44s):
That’s cool.

Anne (25m 44s):
And then she said, I understand politics much more now even if it feels like knives in my organs. Which I felt like was a Drewism.

Ashley (25m 52s):
That’s a really good Drewism. Yeah, that’s a really good one. Yep. And

Anne (25m 57s):
Then she talks about how she had a hard time being taken seriously when they were making it. Yeah. The writer talks about that Angel get off the bus article.

Ashley (26m 5s):
Yeah, that’s exactly what I was thinking of. Yep.

Anne (26m 6s):
Which they show in the documentary I believe.

Ashley (26m 9s): Yeah.

Anne (26m 10s):
And then she says she used the criticism as a strength, which I also was like that’s so Drew.

Ashley (26m 15s):
Of course she did. Yeah. Yeah.

Anne (26m 17s):
Then they talk about Flower Films briefly and she said we didn’t know shit about producing but that she and Nan were dedicated to learning and instead of partying out in Hollywood, they were like putting their head in the books, which I thought was cool. She’s said she’s reading Dostoevsky’s The Idiot, which I’ve never read, but she kind of says that she relates to some of the book, which I was like, I don’t, I don’t know it enough.

Ashley (26m 39s):
Yeah, we’ll have to look up the plot just for funsies.

Anne (26m 42s):
Yeah. In this part she’s talking about being an animist, which I had just watched some old Rosie and she also had talked about being an animist.

Ashley (26m 49s):
I was gonna say the only time I’ve really ever heard that term was in like yes, 98, 99. I think it was even a question in that newsletter that we were both part of that like a trivia question.

Anne (27m 2s):
How funny. But she says because she’s an animist, she kind of describes this is how she, like how it manifests in her life. She said, I’m the girl who thinks the elevator is waiting for me. I feel guilty when I eat a carrot or when I pick a flower. I have that weird silly sort of brain that just thinks about all that shit and appreciates the beauty of the supermarket aisle. I love trying to find the beauty and reason and give credit to everything around me.

Ashley (27m 28s): So lovely.

Anne (27m 29s): It’s so beautiful.

Ashley (27m 31s): Yeah.

Anne (27m 31s):
So Alexi asks Drew, have you always been this optimistic? And she said always, it’s the only way I know how to survive and it doesn’t mean that I don’t succumb to self-loathing get morbid or cynical or bad tempered. There are moments but they’re fleeting. They are like buttons on a gigantic jacket. The jacket is optimistic. Anyone who says they’re happy all the time, it’s just fucking horseshit. But anyone who says they’re dark all the time, it’s like, come on, you tell me you never feel joy or the ping of love in your stomach. Don’t pull that dark prince shit with me. We are such multilayered creatures. We are thinking, feeling creatures and there’s no denying the complexities of it.

Ashley (28m 11s):
She still says the Dark Prince thing all the time. I love that. That’s such a constant.

Anne (28m 20s):
So then this last part, Alexi asks if being nice is Drew’s secret weapon. And she said she tries not to worry too much about what other people think but explains I’m not easy on myself. I fucking beat the living shit out of myself.

Ashley (28m 34s):
Oh really, Drew? No,

Anne (28m 35s):
I don’t think anyone could actually criticize me as much as I do myself. It’s never good enough. There’s always something more I could do something better, smarter, more hardworking, more disciplined. Can you imagine like being Drew and feeling that way?

Ashley (28m 48s):
I know.

Anne (28m 49s):
Anyway, so she said I do that enough to myself, but that also doesn’t mean that I don’t care about other people and how much I want to please. I’m a total people pleaser. I’m, it’s not so much about the approval I seek, but the act of doing. I love fucking people pleasing. I live for it. This whole thing. I’m just like, yep, I understand this. Like,

Ashley (29m 8s):
Yeah, I was gonna say this reminds me of you a little bit.

Anne (29m 12s):

Yeah. But there we go. That’s basically the end of that little article. But it had a lot of fun little gems in there.

Ashley (29m 19s):
Yeah.

Anne (29m 19s):
So I didn’t get to read this part, but can you tell me about the short stories that were mentioned here?

Ashley (29m 24s):
Yeah, It’s kind of weird. So in addition to this article, they had two fictional short stories written about Drew. The first one is by Nick Hornby who wrote the novel Fever Pitch that the movies were based on. Yep. But it tells the story of a fictional adult Drew who didn’t get the part in E.T. And she’s like this like sad, like kind of broken down angry woman. Interesting. Yeah. Then the other one is by a Jonathan Letham. Not familiar with him, but he tells a bunch of really short stories and each one involves Drew and various other known people and each one involves Drew and chocolate in some form.

Anne (30m 7s):
Weird.

Ashley (30m 7s):
So yeah, I don’t think I bothered transcribing them because it just doesn’t really quite feel necessary. But we had to mention that they’re there.

Anne (30m 16s):
Yeah, that’s kind of fun.

Ashley (30m 28s):
So then we have our second magazine, which is Pop and this one is fall and winter 2005. So I love that these like encompass the seasons as well. Such a funny coincidence

Anne (30m 38s):
.Yeah. The whole year because yeah, spring, summer, fall, winter. I love it. I too, it’s like were they in cahoots? Like come on.

Ashley (30m 46s):
It seems like it in a way, doesn’t it? Yeah. So the interview and the fashion direction were done by Katie Grand and our photography duo for this one are Mert Alas and Marcus Pickett, also known as Mert and Marcus, who also did the wonderful Missoni shoot from 2006.

Anne (31m 5s):
Ooh. Very cool. Hair was done by Guido and the makeup was by once again Gucci Westman about this makeup. She said, “I wanted her to look like Elvis because her hair was so dark and it was in black and white. She had a very similar facial structure to Elvis. So I was feeling that.”

Ashley (31m 25s):
So cool.

Anne (31m 25s):
I know. And you know what I love about us going over this right now is there’s that Sofia Coppola Priscilla movie right now.

Ashley (31m 32s):
I know, Elvis is very in the ether.

Anne (31m 34s):
Yeah, that’s kind of cool. But again, thank you Gucci for giving us that little quote.

Ashley (31m 38s):
I know. And I honestly, I don’t know that I ever would’ve thought of that on my own, but once she said it, there are definitely some photos here that I see exactly what she’s talking about.

Anne (31m 48s):
Yes. And let’s get into the photos a little bit.

Ashley (31m 51s):
Oh my god, there’s a lot.

Anne (31m 53s):
Oh my God is right.

Ashley (31m 55s):
So we have 11, if you include the cover, all full page, like we said, they’re all in black and white. As Gucci said, a lot of ’em have like sort of a wet look, wet hair, dark heavy makeup. We have some wigs and lingerie going on, cigarettes. Mickey Mouse ears.

Anne (32m 14s): Yeah.

Ashley (32m 14s):
What else am I missing?

Anne (32m 16s):
Yeah, I know it’s a, there’s a lot going on. Two of them have this like sort of androgynous thing going on, which refers back in my mind to that. Is it 1991 interview?

Ashley (32m 28s):
Oh. Yeah.

Anne (32m 28s):
That has like that sort of androgynous shot of young Drew. But yeah, these are rad. They’re all rad in their own way. The ones in the like kind of bouffant sort of type wig that kind of feels like, what’s the Ellen Von Unwerth with the blonde wig?

Ashley (32m 46s):
Oh, German Vogue.

Anne (32m 48s):
German Vogue. Yeah. So it’s kind of like a similar wig to that except it’s darker, but yeah. And the cover is fantastic. That’s where the eye makeup is the darkest, is that cover?

Ashley (32m 59s):
Yeah.

Anne (32m 59s):
Oh it’s so good.

Ashley (33m 1s):
Beautiful.

Anne (33m 2s):
That glossiness. She almost looks like she’s like a bronze statue or something.

Ashley (33m 5s): Ooh, Yeah.

Anne (33m 6s): On the cover.

Ashley (33m 6s):
I totally see that. Oh, okay. Again, go check these photos out you guys. So some of the outtakes were printed in Visionaire. Their number 52 issue in 2007. It’s kind of hard to explain what Visionaire is. It’s an experimental agency that’s been collaborating with artists, influencers and Fortune 500 companies for over 25 years. And they produce these like public art installations film every year. They have an issue, quote unquote. My husband side note has collected some of them over the years.

Anne (33m 40s):
Oh cool.

Ashley (33m 40s):
He has a handful of them. And that’s where I have that 2009 selfie of Drew where she took it in the mirror has Oh yes, that John Baldessari like added his art to.

Anne (33m 50s):
Yes.

Ashley (33m 51s):
That’s from a Visionaire. So unfortunately he doesn’t have this one.

Anne (33m 56s):
Sadly.

Ashley (33m 57s):
I think this one was really expensive ’cause it’s like gold plated Louis Vuitton for the case.

Anne (34m 1s):
Oh my God.

Ashley (34m 2s):
I know. But it has two, at least two really beautiful outtakes from this. I mean beyond stunning.

Anne (34m 10s):
Oh My God. We need it. We need it for the Drewseum. Whoever has it out there, send it on over.

Ashley (34m 17s):
You know, it’s either this or the little heart necklace. We’ll probably have to spend about the same money on both.

Anne (34m 23s):
I think I’d rather have the book

Ashley (34m 27s):
And we’ve been lucky enough, there are a couple other outtakes. I don’t know where these came from, but she’s got like a leather mask in some of these, little bondage-y looking.

Anne (34m 37s):
Yeah. These are so gorgeous. I should check out other work by these photographers.

Ashley (34m 41s):
Yeah.

Anne (34m 41s):
They have such a cool vibe to them. I just realized one other one reminds me of one more shoot. Sorry I have to go back. Okay. Blonde curly hair reminds me of the Kevin Aucion makeup.

Ashley (34m 54s):
Oh, for making faces? Yeah.

Anne (34m 57s):
Like the angle even. But of course Drew has like a black wig in that. Or maybe it’s her actual hair.

Ashley (35m 2s):
Yeah. I don’t know.

Anne (35m 3s):
I almost feel like I need to make three side by sides.

Ashley (35m 6s):
You do that.

Anne (35m 9s):
Okay. Here’s what Anne couldn’t stop blabbering about when the image was only in her head if only she knew. Okay. So now let’s get into the article. So give us your little summary of the article from Pop.

Ashley (35m 23s):
Okay. So again, in another similarity, this is also a very short article, that’s part of the reason why we decided

to put these together. But it’s a good one and I’m gonna just summarize it on the fly. So stay with me if I sound like I’m not prepared. Like we said, the article’s done by Katie Graham. So Katie says, Hey Drew, what’s going on? Like what are you doing in LA? And Drew said that’s the first week she’d had off in quite a few years. So she was just doing things that she’d been like wanting to do, like cleaning out her closet.

Anne (35m 54s):
And I was like, oh, I wish I could have been the fly on the wall for cleaning out the closet.

Ashley (35m 59s):
Oh, I wish I could have been the like trash man standing there. Like we’ll take whatever you don’t want. But yeah, she says that she’s like a workaholic as we know. And that she had made a promise to herself to take time off. She just finished Lucky You. And she was really tired and it was very challenging because of having to sing, which is a big fear of hers. And she does say on one job I was supposed to sing and they told me I was the worst singer they’d ever heard. Which of course must be

Anne (36m 28s):
Everyone Says I love You.

Ashley (36m 29s):
Must be. Yeah.

Anne (36m 31s):
So

Ashley (36m 31s):
She’s like, I had to face with my fears and she trained for five months on weekends and after work to get this going

Anne (36m 38s):
For some reason that description, five months on weekends and after work, I just imagine like somebody who’s got like a full-time job and they’re like, all right, I’m doing my extra training like on the weekends and after my full-time job,

Ashley (36m 49s):
Kind of how we do this podcast.

Anne (36m 53s):
True. We’ve been training for a year and and some change on weekends and after work

Ashley (36m 59s):
Or during work sometimes. Oops.

Anne (37m 1s):
Yeah.

Ashley (37m 2s):
Okay. So this magazine actually does reference her boyfriend by name Fabrizio Moretti and they ask, you know, because he’s a drummer of The Strokes, did he play drums along with her while she was singing?

Anne (37m 12s):
Yeah.

Ashley (37m 12s):
And she said, you know, he helped me a lot. He helped me figure out what notes I could sing for each word so that I could approach each session with my voice coach with a new intelligence. So that was cool.

Anne (37m 21s):
Yeah, I like that

Ashley (37m 23s):
The author asked if she sang along to Strokes songs. She said no, that she just stuck to country music. ’cause that’s why her character in the film sings. And then she said she also listened to a lot of Marilyn Monroe because she loved her singing voice being like beautiful and charismatic and sensual. And it really made her appreciate what an art singing is. And then she compared it to when she was training for Charlie’s Angels and she went to see Cirque de Soleil. It was like the same feeling like watching all of their strength and stamina made her realize their beauty and power. And she’d always run away from the physical because she was much more about the emotional.

Anne (37m 59s):
Yeah. And I put a little heart by that. Yeah,

Ashley (38m 1s): You like that one.

Anne (38m 4s): I understand.

Ashley (38m 5s):

Yeah. You know, I’ve probably always been that way up until a few years ago when I really started getting into yoga and working out. Yeah. And it was suddenly like, whoa, this is weird. This has so like not been part of my life and now I love it.

Anne (38m 16s):
Yep.

Ashley (38m 16s):
So I get it.

Anne (38m 18s):
Yep.

Ashley (38m 18s):
Then this is a theme that’s come up so many times when we do these articles, they talk about her feeling unattractive or out of place and if that was maybe like something that she took into Never Been Kissed, which is you know, very astute and correct. Yeah. And Drew said, whatever world you’re in, you can feel really vulnerable, especially if you’re out of place. Awkward, uncomfortable in your skin, exposed in any way saying what’s wrong with me. Which she definitely still says

Anne (38m 48s):
Yes.

Ashley (38m 48s):
And then this is just a really sad but lovely quote. You’re vaguely aware that people have this idea of something that’s correct and beautiful and pristine and graceful, but you’re something other. I was like, oh Drew hard to hear those things in a different way. Yep. The author asks if it was especially difficult as a kid because like it’s hard enough just be a regular kid, let alone, you know, making E.T. Et cetera. Yeah. And Drew said, as her therapist says, shit slides downstream. When you’re a kid, you just feel like shit facing this weird little battlefield you have to walk through in order to just earn your space. But that’s cool because we all have to go through it.

Ashley (39m 29s):
She’s asked if she has any regrets about that time in her life and she says no. Like it’s hard not to have regrets because you wanna be like this unscarred beautiful, pristine, virginal perfect being that has no emotional scars.

Anne (39m 41s):
Ugh. I love this whole thing.

Ashley (39m 43s):
I know. But then she says, your baggage is what makes you who you are. You have to embrace it otherwise you end up kicking and screaming about something you can’t change. And that’s making me laugh because we just referenced her dad being like, kick the bag. And she’s like, you can’t dad. And they’re talking about, you know, she’s done all these things in her life. She’s only just turned 30, just like you mentioned in the other article. Yep. And it like, is that amazing? And she says it is, but she’s always hard on herself. Of course she feels it’s not enough. She wants to do more. There’s very similar themes going on here. Yep. But this is cool. She said for the first time in her life she’s taking time off. She can look around and see what direction she wants to go in.

Ashley (40m 25s):
And then she says she has a little post-it on her window that says Stop and smell the roses because she’s not very good at doing that. And that made me think of her meditation closet with all the post-its on it that she currently has.

Anne (40m 37s):
Okay. It’s so funny ’cause I, I was thinking about Drew’s handwriting and how I can like, because I, we know it so well I can imagine it the writing saying Stop and smell the roses in her handwriting. Yeah. And I wasn’t even like picturing that amazing closet, which is the my computer’s desktop

Ashley (40m 54s):
That you look at

Anne (40m 56s):
Genuinely. Yes. She’s not just like saying that. I’m sure she really did have a post-it that says Stop and smell the roses.

Ashley (41m 2s):
Oh a hundred percent.

Anne (41m 5s):
So great.

Ashley (41m 6s):
Then she’s asked if she’s going on holiday and she says that her friend’s going to Greece, but she’ll probably end up on the deck drinking white wine and reading. And then she says she loves to explore so she’ll go off and just like do something by herself alone, which is so cool. And then of course she’s asked like if that independence is something that she learned as she got older or what she said that when she was growing

up, kids that had a strong family unit seemed to be more independent because they knew they could like leave the nest and then come back and it would still be there. But she always felt scattered. So she was intimidating about going places on her own. And of course she had her own apartment when she was 14, has been living on her own ever since.

Ashley (41m 46s):
But it wasn’t until her twenties that she would travel by herself because that’s sort of like when she decided if she wanted to do something she was just gonna go do it instead of waiting for someone else, which feels very like Ever After.

Anne (41m 58s):
Yep.

Ashley (41m 59s):
And then she said she loves eating alone and going to the movies by herself too. And I feel like she still talks about eating alone a lot. Like it’s something she really likes to do.

Anne (42m 7s):
Yeah.

Ashley (42m 7s):
I kind of like it too. Especially if I have something to read. I’m not, I have no problem with it.

Anne (42m 12s):
Yeah.

Ashley (42m 13s):
She’s asked if she remembers the first film she saw on her own and she says, not the movie itself, but she remembers the experience. She was in New York, she was about 11. She walked to the theater, sat down and had a cigarette while she watched it.

Anne (42m 28s):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s right. You heard that right? She had a cigarette in the theater

Ashley (42m 34s):
Like I know indoors.

Anne (42m 35s):
Right. It was okay then somehow

Ashley (42m 38s):
And the interviewer says, oh you were so wild. And Drew says, I know. And I loved it.

Anne (42m 43s):
And

Ashley (42m 43s):
Then she’s like, I think every kid wanted to be you growing up. And Drew said, that’s funny because I was a prime example of what not to be.

Anne (42m 50s):
Yeah. I thought that was great.

Ashley (42m 52s):
But the interviewer said, when you’re young you feel like you only have a few years to be wild. And Drew said, yeah, but it led her to have a solid work ethic because you know, and she said this a lot, even though that there was this time where people thought she wasn’t professional, that like really bothered her because no matter what was going on in her personal life, it didn’t affect her work. Like she still always was there and dependable for work. The interviewer kind of points out that a lot of people who have addictions or go to rehab, they have to like completely abstain afterward and be opposite of who they were. And Drew said she doesn’t like the all or nothing. She tries to find the happy medium. She loves working out and sweating and then having a beer. I like that she says, I love learning and laughing, exercising, then doing things you’re not supposed to.

Ashley (43m 38s):
I love going to rock shows and slamming a shot down and screaming at the top of my lungs. That is so much fun. Halloween is my favorite holiday because you get to be the freak that you really are and celebrate it. We should have more days like that. But then I also like the diligent business, the work ethic, turning up on time and being professional. Yeah,

Anne (43m 56s):
I love that whole thing. ’cause it was just like, yeah, the dichotomies of Drew Barrymore.

Ashley (44m 3s):
Yep. And then they point out like, Hey, the public perception of you changed at one point from this out of control girl to this a-list celebrity who has everything under control and how did that happen? And Drew says, oh, I know exactly how that happened. She realized she left her job, she appreciated it. She, she didn’t wanna see those things taken away from her. Nobody was like calling her for roles and she knew she had to

take on responsibility and make the films herself that were more challenging. She’s like, well what films were we talking about? And she’s like, Amy Fisher, Poison Ivy. She realized she wasn’t a little girl anymore and needed to do more mature roles. And then she realized how much she loved the whole process of this making movies, casting, writing, directing all of it.

Ashley (44m 45s):
And she wanted to be a part of it. And that of course she set up Flower Films,

Anne (44m 50s):
Ta-da.

Ashley (44m 51s):
Yeah. Her and Nancy hit the books and laid low, as you mentioned in your article.

Anne (44m 56s):
Yeah. I might have pulled hit the books from here.

Ashley (44m 58s):
Oh maybe. That’s so funny. But they have said that a lot. Yes. And like it felt like they were at college, they worked on screen, they met Adam Sandler and liked how he was doing his company. And then of course they got to do Never Been Kissed. And then Charlie’s Angels, right afterward, she said that was really intimidating. But we were like, we’re going to fucking do this and have fun with it. Absolutely. And then as we mentioned in our Donny Darko episode, which you can go back a couple episodes and listen to, after they did Charlie’s Angels and they had a blast and all that, they were like, okay, let’s go do something that’s small and not in the public eye.

Ashley (45m 39s):
Which is so fun that they had that range. I love that.

Anne (45m 42s):
Yep.

Ashley (45m 43s):
The interviewer says that she was probably more nervous about meeting Drew than most people ’cause she was such a hero of hers. And it was so cool when she turned up with her boyfriend and had, she says huge love bites, which I’m guessing are hickeys.

Anne (45m 56s):
That’s what I was thinking too.

Ashley (45m 58s):
And says it was the most rock and roll shoot I’ve done for years. And Drew says rock and roll? I feel like I’m just the biggest dork. I’ve got these big old boobs. I feel like I’m always about to fall over. I always say the wrong thing at the wrong time. Or I’m way too excited about things when everyone else is playing it. Cool. So it’s so funny to hear that I so do not see myself that way.

Anne (46m 21s):
Hahaha

Ashley (46m 21s):
That feels like a total constant. Like she definitely still talks about herself in that way as well. Yep,

Anne (46m 27s):
She does. And she, I think she genuinely feels it, you know?

Ashley (46m 31s):
Yeah, definitely. The interviewer says like, it was just such a great shoot, Fab was next door gambling, so who knows where they did this. They were all drinking pink champagne. And anyway, Drew said that Fab is the rock and roll one and she’s more like, I have to be professional. And he’ll go, fuck it babe, have some fun. But she said like he, when he was training her with singing, he worked really hard with her. He’s got like the balance of having fun and still being diligent.

Anne (46m 58s):
There we go.

Ashley (46m 59s):
And then this is cute. She’s asked, were you a fan of his? And she said, yeah, it’s sort of embarrassing. I was such a dumb ass when I met him. So she said she went up to him and was overly enthusiastic, like always. And it was just going on about loving the band and the music and how they’re so important. And inside her head she was saying, you blew it big time. Typical me, typical overdo it girl. So she walked away all embarrassed and watched him play and she’s just like, oh my God, even though that was so embarrassing, I gotta go find him. And she said something went right ’cause they’ve been together ever since and she loves him so much and had she not been brave enough to make a fool out of herself or take a risk, she wouldn’t have that in her life.

Ashley (47m 39s):
So fuck embarrassment.

Anne (47m 41s):
I love that.

Ashley (47m 42s):
I know. So good. And then she’s like, did he ask you out on a formal date? And Drew said, no, fuck that. I asked him out, I called him. Fearless Drew.

Anne (47m 52s):
I like this next thing.

Ashley (47m 53s):
She’s asked what her favorite color is and she said, the rainbow. Okay. That’s like so extremely lame, but I just love all colors.

Anne (48m 2s):
I feel like that answer feels like that’s what like a impersonator of Drew would say.

Ashley (48m 7s):
You’re so right. Like a parody of her would say that. Yeah, that’s very true. And she says Fab would have a field day teasing her about that. But it’s true. And she says she’s staring at a rainbow that she painted right then. And the lady says on your wall and she says, no, I painted it on my tape recorder actually. So there you go.

Anne (48m 29s):
But yeah, these are both fun articles. I love that it spans a year. It’s kind of an interesting little like drop into her life with Fab.

Ashley (48m 38s):
Yeah. And we have been, you know, really drawn to articles from mostly the nineties. So we, we sort of like told ourselves we needed to get out of that box and try something a little more recent. But of course this is not recent at all. 18 years,

Anne (48m 51s):
Only 19 years old.

Ashley (48m 56s):
But still we’re getting there. We’re we’re we’re coming forward in time.

Anne (48m 56s):

This is recent for us, but yeah. But also, yeah, I think it was like seeing these images. I think you were just reviewing 2005 again and you’re like, you know what, these are rad. Yeah. This is a really good thing to put together. And I’m glad we did.

Ashley (49m 12s):
Me too. And hopefully the rest of you are as well. If you did like that you guys know what to do, you could go leave us a review on Apple Podcasts that we’ll read back on the air. I actually haven’t checked in a while. I wonder if we have any new ones. Hmm. Ooh, maybe somebody should go do it before I even look. And then go follow us on Instagram @howdoyoudrewpod where we post pictures related to the episodes we do little reels with, you know, video components to go along with what we talk about. And you can also follow us @drewseum for other stuff. Like your opinions on rankings of Drew’s films.

Anne (49m 49s):
You can get really into all the little niche stuff that we get into over there. Also make sure to visit our website at How Do You Drew dot com, hosted on the OG the Drewseum. Make sure you follow us or subscribe as a patron on Patreon slash How Do You Drew. And also send us listener mail to How Do You Drew [email protected]. And my question to take us out today is, what’s your third favorite color?

Ashley (50m 18s):
So pink’s my favorite Gold is second. Yep. Probably,

Anne (50m 24s):
I don’t know why I do this to you.

Ashley (50m 28s):
A yellow.

Anne (50m 29s):
Hmm.

Ashley (50m 29s):
I don’t know, like pale. I like, like pastels, like pale, pretty much any pale color I’m kind of into.

Anne (50m 38s): Okay.

Ashley (50m 38s): That’s my vibe.

Anne (50m 39s):
So my first two blue and green are vying for my attention all the time now. Yeah. And I’m actually starting to like orange, oddly

Ashley (50m 48s):
Enough. Yeah. I have come around a little bit on, or in fact right now my nails are orange, which is so weird, but it has to be like a certain shade.

Anne (50m 56s):
Yeah. For me it’s like dark almost like, well not brick, ’cause brick burnt is red, like burnt orange. Yeah. Like I’m into that. It’s not just ’cause it’s fall, but I’m feeling burnt orange as my third favorite color right now.

Ashley (51m 10s):
Oh, well you’re getting your nails done tomorrow. So I’m excited to see what you end up doing.

Anne (51m 15s):
Yeah. And we’ll talk about why I am getting all fancy next week.

Ashley (51m 19s):
Ooh, that’s a good

Anne (51m 20s):
Tea. All everyone,

Ashley (51m 21s):
You definitely wanna come back.

Anne (51m 24s):
We’ll see you next Drewsday.

Ashley (51m 26s):
All right, sounds good. Thanks everybody.

Anne (51m 29s):
Thank you. Bye-Bye. This episode of the How Do You Drew podcast was researched and produced by Ashley and Anne from thedrewseum.com with help from our sponsor, Positive Medium.

Ashley (51m 51s):
Special thanks to Matt Costa for our lovely theme song, Roxy Prima, for our adorable logo. And last but not least, Drew, Barrymore and all the Drewbies who love her, we do this for you. Thank you.