Drew Barrymore 2022 Magazines
Us Weekly – January 31
People – February 14
Variety – May 4
Us Weekly – May 9
Cosmopolitan Germany – August
2021 | other years | 2023
Drew Barrymore 2022 Magazines
Us Weekly – January 31
People – February 14
Variety – May 4
Us Weekly – May 9
Cosmopolitan Germany – August
2021 | other years | 2023
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I’m Anne.
And I’m Ashley, and this week we
are discussing something a
little different.
We’re going to be talking about
Jean Harlow.
What does that have to do with
Drew, you wonder?
Well, stay tuned and you will
see there’s a lot of interesting
parallels.
And yeah, it’s a whole thing
we’re really excited about.
Yeah, if you hopefully you
listen to our Marilyn Monroe
episode, I feel like that’s very
akin.
Very.
Yes.
OK.
So we’ve got a bunch of stuff at
the top before we get into Jean
Harlow.
I think we got to start with
this.
Tidbits galore.
Go for it, Ashley.
Do you like how you the like
breaking news alert emoji?
OK, so as I as I seem to always
do.
We’ll.
We’ll record an episode and I’ll
talk about how there’s just this
one thing I can’t figure out,
and one day I’ll figure it out
and then immediately I figure it
out.
So I was talking in our last
episode about how I would just
really want to pin down the
exact date of the show at Jabberjaw
That was that Dog and Charlie
Brown superstar playing and
where Drew first met Erik
Erlandson while vomiting on his
shoes outside.
Like, we all know this story.
I have been trying to find this
date forever.
I’m listening back to our last
episode and I go, huh, there is
LA Weekly on newspapers.com, why
don’t I look there?
And I found it immediately.
So yes, we have the date and at
least like I was in the ballpark
correctly because I said
November or December 93.
Yeah.
It was November 27th, 1993.
So satisfying.
The Saturday of Thanksgiving
weekend.
Randomly, yeah.
That’s what she ate Mac and
cheese for, say.
That, but yes, so great in black
and white, the satisfaction, you
know, that feeling.
And I’m just so happy to finally
be able to put a pin in that.
Hell yeah, great job.
I mean, great job.
Like figuring out what the
source is that you needed to
just like go to.
It’s like it’s, I’ve realized
something about like when you
become like an expert at
researching something, it’s
about knowing where to go, not
necessarily, but like knowing it
off the top of your head or.
Sometimes just knowing the just
the weird right thing to search.
I couldn’t have just searched
Drew Barrymore.
Like, I wouldn’t have found
anything, you know, I had to
like, think beyond that.
And then it was like stupid
easy.
Yeah, once you have like had so
many clues, so many clues
already, so great job.
I feel like it’s been a while
since we’ve had this segment,
right?
It sure has.
I’m ready to hear what Drew has
proclaimed her love for
recently.
I love, love well.
This is a little baby version of
Drew Loves, but I collected 2
in the last couple of weeks and
I threw them in here because I
missed this segment.
It’s one of my favorites.
Yeah.
Drew Loves florals?
Who would have thought?
Oh my God, of course.
And cassettes.
Oh, we knew that.
I know.
I also love that.
Makes me think of her rainbow
painted boom box that she’s had
since the 90s.
Yeah, is it?
Was it in her room?
Her little room?
It’s my background right now.
Let me look.
Oh yes, it is in that closet.
Oh yeah, I can see it.
Yeah.
And there’s pictures of it in
her old house in LA.
It’s definitely gone around with
her.
So love it.
We know she loves anything more
like analog and old school like.
Totally.
And actually I love how that
feels like it goes with like
Like I don’t know, it puts
cassettes.
I don’t know, it just makes me
think of a specific time.
We love staying in the 90s, so
let’s go back for this week in
Drew history to another date in
the 90s.
Good segue.
And you’re right.
Can we just stay in the 90s
forever?
All right, We’re going back to
September 16th, 1995.
And this might seem like an
oddball one, but there’s a cool
story behind it.
And, you know, I love kind of
peeling back the why was she
doing this thing?
Yeah, so Drew attended the
premiere of the movie 4 Rooms at
the Toronto International Film
Festival.
Pictures of this are pretty
rare.
I’ll explain how I found some
recently, but.
I’ve always loved this look.
Yeah, you describe it because
this makes me think of you.
Well, sure.
I’ll go ahead and try to
describe it.
So her hair is like growing out
from the pixie.
So it’s sort of like longer but
short blonde hair that looks a
little messy, but in like the
best way, like it’s got some
volume.
And then this leopard coat, I
feel like that’s mostly what you
see in the pictures, like a long
leopard coat.
Yeah, but you can’t even tell
what she’s wearing under the
coat.
Pants, I have to assume, but you
can’t tell.
And she does have a cute yellow
Daisy pin on her jacket, which I
used to think was a real Daisy
until I just recently found
these, like, high quality.
OK, here’s a perfect example of
what you were saying.
We had one crappy picture that
had the photographer credit on
it.
I searched him and I found three
huge amazing high quality
pictures by searching him.
Love it.
See that’s.
What you gotta do?
I think I saw your note and it
says it’s these three in the
notes, right?
So the middle one wasn’t that
that clipping?
Yes.
OK, so there’s a clipping of
this event of her face, black
and white, that I think you and
I always loved.
And I think it says like
Barrymore, like on the side.
Maybe the horizontal totally
sounds correct.
Yep.
I had it on like a bulletin
board for a long time.
Loved that clipping.
Loved these pictures but I.
Associate that clipping with
you, which is so funny so.
Maybe you saw it on my little
bulletin board or like, maybe
that’s fun.
So you didn’t even talk about,
like, why it’s so fun and
relevant?
I mean, of course it’s relevant,
but everything’s relevant.
But yeah, what makes this so
interesting?
OK, so if this is random, right,
why is Drew at the Toronto
International Film Festival to
see Four Rooms?
Well, we know that she was there
to talk to.
So that movie has four different
sections and four different
directors from what I
understand.
Him.
Yes, I’ve seen it.
Okay.
And one of those directors is
Robert Rodriguez.
And at this time, Drew was deep
into starting to work on Scream.
And you know, I’ve mentioned
this before.
A lot of people don’t really.
She was sort of a silent
producer on it.
She was working with the, sadly
to say, Weinsteins, but that’s
just what it is.
I’m sorry, but we have an
article from Movieline 98.
And she said we thought who
would rock and make this good?
We thought of Robbie Rodriguez,
and we flew to Toronto and
pitched it to him as a
franchise.
So yeah, I think Wes had
originally passed on it, and so
they’re thinking, OK, who else
could we get?
They tried Rodriguez.
I don’t know what happened
there, but luckily Wes Craven
came back around and decided to
do it.
But yeah, I just love knowing
why would she be there?
She’s like networking.
She tries to say she doesn’t do
that, but she did that.
I mean, we you just had this
realization recently about how
maybe Drew went to the Tommy Boy
premiere because we were talking
about, I guess this is for is it
for Patreon, though?
The no, no, no.
It was our last episode.
Oh yeah, because the swallow.
Sorry, what is it called?
I don’t remember.
Swallow floats.
OK, No, it’s sorrow floats.
Swallow floats anyway that that
like unlocked that sort of like,
oh, maybe because they were
going to possibly work together.
Yeah.
You’ve been able or like you’ve
been able to make those
connections and it makes so much
sense.
Yeah, it’s only kind of in
recent years too that I’ve been
like, oh, she was at this random
premiere because she was talking
to this person or she was
networking with these people.
And I I love that.
I mean, I guess I’m realizing
like you get invited to a
premiere usually.
So I was thinking like, oh, she
goes to support, but she’s
probably also like being invited
because the connection was
anyway really fun.
So yeah.
So her being here for this,
preparing for Scream in some
way, that’s really fun to make
the connection.
One other thing to note is that
Nancy Juvonen is in the
background of some of these
photos.
And they did.
This was like them starting
Flower Films.
Like, yeah, this is the early
days.
And it’s so fun to spot her
always.
I know I always love seeing her
hiding in the background.
She never works the spotlight.
Yeah.
Totally.
OK, so let’s come back to
present day and talk about
what’s new with Drew.
Here we go with the news,
everybody.
I mean the cool thing about this
is that it feels like 90s vibes.
It.
Does.
So we’re talking about Drew and
the Drew Barrymore Show filming
at the charitable music festival
Daisy Chain Fields in Irvine, CA
just a few weeks ago.
That was founded by Olivia
Rodrigo for women and girls, and
it was inspired by Lilith Fair.
There’s your connection.
Yeah, we got to see pictures and
like, there was some Instagram
stories that showed Drew
interviewing Olivia backstage
along with a bunch of other
really cool female musicians.
I was super stoked to see
Shirley Manson of Garbage in
there.
So fun.
Yeah, my gosh.
Yeah, so cool.
And then Olivia had her hair
like done in this updo with a
bunch of daisies all over it.
And it totally made me think of
the KROQ Weenie Roast in 1995,
which was a musical festival
also in Irvine.
Just like a weird coincidence.
So many things align, but it’s
so reminiscent of that.
Like the way?
That the daisies are.
Clustered.
It’s so great.
It’s.
Really cute and we get to see
Drew with a daisy in her hair
which always like sends me and
makes me really stoked.
I love that she was part of
this, like, you know, like
that’s perfect.
It’s.
Perfect.
I know it’s Daisy.
Hello.
Yeah.
And then Melissa Auf Der Maur was
there and posted a really cute
video of her and Drew singing
together at the festival, so I
saw those good vibes.
That’s so cool.
I kind of, I dig all of Rod
Rodrigo.
I don’t know if you’ve like
listened to any, but she’s
pretty.
Cool.
I’m not really a fan, but I
fully respected admire that she
put this together and ended up
donating like $20 million to a
bunch of women and girl
foundations.
So yeah, hell yeah.
Exactly.
Use your power for good.
Yeah, that’s true.
What?
To say yeah.
OK, one more thing that’s new
that is so exciting for this to
be coming is coming back The
Drew Barrymore Show.
Finally, Drew and Ross were
photographed outside the CBS
building the day of filming the
first season 7 episode of The
Drew Barrymore Show taken on the
day that we’re filming this.
So on the 9th of September and
she’s wearing a tie
belt I love.
Oh yeah.
It’s like we brought it back
into existence by just talking
about it on a couple episodes
ago.
And I’ve been seeing those cute
shoes that I’ve compared to the
like ones from the 90s.
Everything’s just taking.
Everything’s about the 90s. 1999
tie belt, 1994 shoes.
It’s so good.
It’s interesting to me that they
like came outside and took
pictures because that’s very
unusual for her to do,
especially all dressed up.
Like.
Sometimes it’s her, like in her
sweatpants getting to the studio
and she gets snapped.
But this was obviously
intentional.
Her and Ross are kind of like
posing, so maybe they even
filmed a segment.
I’m not sure, probably.
I feel like that would make
sense for them to go outside and
have done it for a reason.
For the show, yeah.
Or just for the press, Who
knows?
Good point.
Good points like the show’s
coming back.
Yay.
So Drew Loves will start to bulk
up a little bit again, guys,
that’s.
What I was thinking.
Yeah, we like, we like when our
segments have some bulkiness to
them.
We look at our segments, have
the meat, you know.
Always looking for the meat.
You always.
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OK.
So I think we’re ready to jump
into our very unique topic for
this week of Jean Harlow.
We have a guest this week who is
a Jean Harlow expert.
Our guest is Sophia D’Aurelio
Adair and she’s a writer and
researcher on the classical
Hollywood cinema with an
affinity for silent film and the
pre code era and the obscure
faces found within.
She runs a few websites
including Vitaphone Zone, a film
history publication, and of
course, Harlow Heaven, which is
the reason we’re doing this
whole thing which is dedicated
to Jean Harlow.
You can find her on Instagram at
Harlow Heaven and we’ll link to
her websites on the episode
page, of course, and in the show
notes, so please check that so
you can follow Sophia.
Yeah, she was wonderful.
I’m so excited for you guys to
hear this really fun
conversation.
We, like, get into the process
of being researchers and
collectors, which, you know,
Anne and I love.
Yes.
And we also go through this list
of really interesting parallels
between Drew and Jean, just for
example, their Pisces star signs
and their unconventional
relationships with their mom
managers.
Yeah.
And plus there’s Barrymore Co
star connections and our
suspected to Jean in Batman
Forever.
And of course, of course they’re
trendsetting ultra thin
eyebrows.
Just because we got.
To you got to yeah, so.
It was a real it’s a really fun
conversation, so enjoy, enjoy.
So hi, Sophia, thank you so much
for joining us for this really
special and unique conversation
that it’s nothing like we’ve
ever done here on how do you
Drew?
I thank you so much you guys for
having me.
I’m so excited especially to
talk about both of them and
they’re blonde coincidences.
Yes, I love.
That yeah, we have these two
incredibly rich lives and we’re
studying them simultaneously.
Ours is ongoing, yours is from
another era.
And it’s just so neat.
I can’t wait to like sort of
compare our experiences and then
talk about how these two women
have these interesting parallels
as well.
Yeah, I am super stoked about
that.
I just, I’m really excited to
learn more about Drew, as I was
saying from YouTube, from people
who have informed opinions and
care about facts and not just
repeating gossip from columns,
which is something we’ll both
have to deal with and both of
our eras here.
It’s so funny.
Oh yeah, gossip has always
that’s for eternity, right?
It’s never going away.
Rumors.
Misinformation.
People don’t realize that like
some of these studio controlled
gossip that was older, I mean,
because it wasn’t as out newer
gossip tends to demonize people
and you know, older gossip with
their studio system.
So it was controlled and so were
the images.
It was a lot more positive.
And I think some people tend to
run with that and think, wow,
well, this is a really glowing
review of my favorite from 100
years ago.
There’s no interference here.
This is all true.
It’s like that’s what they
wanted you to think.
It’s like actually it’s 100%
interference.
Exactly with all the.
Interference.
Here’s the story.
OK, so before we like kind of
dive into all these, like, fun
differences, we are so curious
to hear how your fandom started.
Like, how did you start doing
what you’re doing with Jean
Harlow that is so similar to
what we are doing with Drew?
It’s so funny, I was asked this
recently and I just, my answer
was like, I don’t know, it just
it started one day.
I mean, I’ve always been a
writer.
It was a little later that I got
really into classic film.
I’ve always been around antiques
and Hollywood culture and music
and art my whole life.
So it was kind of just a matter
of applying my knowledge and my
passion for writing to classic
film once I got around to it in
my late teens.
What actually happened was I
watched Riffraff, I think on
TCM, and that was not one of
Jean’s blonde films.
So it was kind of an odd start
for me as a Harlow fan because
many of her come, many of her
fans come to her through Marilyn
Monroe or Dinner at 8, which is
more what we’re going to be
talking about in relation to
Drew.
So it was kind of an odd one for
me.
I didn’t really start out
viewing her as a blonde, so I
guess that kind of formed a more
of objective opinion for me
about her because I don’t really
always view her through that
lens.
I view her as more of a comedian
who wore the blonde label as a
way to set herself apart.
I love that.
Thank you.
Yeah, I mean, we love to.
I mean, we love Drew blonde,
but like some of our favorite
eras of her are not blonde.
Or there are something else,
like, you know, her leaning into
a character or being a chameleon
or something.
So I like what you said about
the comedian to think as well,
because I think both of our
ladies maybe weren’t taken
seriously as being able to do
that and then later on in their
careers, you know, that they
actually are fantastic at that.
So that’s a neat similarity.
Totally.
Yeah, I love Drew’s non blonde
eras too.
In fact, I don’t automatically
think of her as a blonde off the
top of my head, just from what
I’ve seen of her on television.
Era of Drew ’cause I think I’m a
little bit younger than you
guys, so I saw a lot of more of
her TV stuff growing up, so I
more associated her as a
brunette.
You know, you get older and I
started watching like Poison Ivy
and 50.
Oh my God I love that movie.
Yeah, love that.
So let’s kind of talk about, you
know, what are we want to know
about your experience of being a
historian of someone who, I
mean, how many years past are we
talking about now for Jean
Harlow?
It’s going to be almost a
century.
I keep psyching myself up for
that because it’s going to be 90
years.
She’s been gone 89 years.
And that’s just crazy to think
about because, you know, the
former of the people before me,
in the Jeanration before me who
did this research in the 90s,
they got to talk to people who
knew her.
And when you think about that,
that’s not a super long time ago
yet.
The past 30 years, just everyone
from that Jeanration is gone
now.
Oh.
My God, I have, I have to
respond to that specifically
because Ashley and I were
talking about that.
Drew had been wanting to do a
very more documentary, I think,
and I was, we were just think
saying like, Oh my God, the
people who worked with them are
now dying or gone.
So it’s like you are you lose
this opportunity to capture
stories once it’s like longer
past their life.
It’s kind of, it’s wild.
But then you have to then you
rely on archives.
So, you know, it’s like, which
hopefully there’s a lot in them.
Exactly.
And then you have to learn to
distinguish.
I mean, you have to do this
anyway, but learning to
distinguish sources of people
who are long dead first hand,
second hand, third hand, and
where’s coming from, What was
the point of what they said?
What was the context?
Right.
What are the primary sources?
I was just talking about this
like that.
I didn’t understand that until I
kind of was like in grad school.
I, you know, I didn’t even
really understand what it meant
to, like, have to go back to the
source and how that is really
hard in a lot of situations.
Yeah.
But I mean, for, for us,
obviously we’ve been able to
collect while Drew has been, I
guess I jumped ahead a little
bit, but like collect while Drew
is living and active and has had
a lot of, you know, things out
there in the public eye like
currently.
So it’s been interesting for us,
like growing up with her in the
public eye, you know, I don’t
know, it’s, it’s kind of, it’s
really different.
It’s weird because Anna and I
started like almost in the
middle of Drew’s career, so we
kind of had to learn.
We had to go backwards to learn
a lot of stuff.
But from before we were, you
know, doing what we do.
And then the rest going forward,
we’re like tracking it as it
happens.
So we’re kind of doing both.
I’ve never really thought about
that before.
It is a mixture, yeah.
So that’s totally different from
what I’m doing.
And I love that because it’s a
totally different way to
experience somebody and feel
more connected to them.
Because when I when I came into
Jean Harlow, there was all this
bull crap, excuse me on the on
the Internet and like, whoa,
whoa, whoa, what is all this?
Like she died of hair bleach or
whatever.
And it just, you know, it took
me a minute as a teenager to be
like, OK, here are the books
that are good, here’s what I
need and then undo that.
And that’s kind of what started
my fascination, I think, because
there was so much written about
hers and she died so young that
she couldn’t refute.
Yeah.
I mean, the first book I ever
read about her was that one that
I, you know, later learned was
just full of lies.
I’m I can’t even think of the
title, but you know the one.
Yeah, yeah, intimate.
Later on I did discover
Bombshell and like set it all
straight.
But yeah, for a minute I had all
these false ideas about her life
and death and that just that
that stuff drives me absolutely
crazy.
I’m such a stickler for like,
let’s Get the facts straight.
And unfortunately that can be
really hard to do with someone
living or long time.
Totally.
I mean, kind of going on that
track, I think like comparing
research methods would be really
interesting.
So like Ashley, like I mean,
talk a little bit about what you
do for a podcast.
And then I’m curious to hear how
that sounds in comparison to
like a method that Sophia would
use.
I don’t.
Know I bet you there are
similarities, Sophia, because
I’m using a lot of actual like
paper magazine articles from the
past 30 years, 3040 years.
And a lot of that is going to be
our source for a lot of
information we have.
But we also are lucky enough to
have like, you know, television
interviews or DVD commentaries
that we can pull from.
But I’m also
utilizing newspapers.com like
obsessively lately.
Oh man, that’s the gold mine
right there.
It really is.
I got to give a shout out to
Lindsay Blake.
She’s our friend who used to run
the blog.
I am not a stalker.
It was a locations blog and she
gave me access to that and
they’re like unlocked an entire
new world of research for me.
But you know, I can’t go into
like a library.
Maybe the way that make I bet
you could do with Jean Harlow
and find tones and tones of
books that reference her.
Drew’s life isn’t quite like
that.
So what it what are your big
like methods of research that’s.
Funny newspapers is a big one
for me, too.
Yeah, but I can’t believe how
different that is.
You’re right.
That’s really fascinating to
think about, but it’s not my
only thing because, you know,
the press is, I think, mostly
useful for figuring out where
somebody was at a certain time.
Yes.
Slary reviews.
Not so much for facts,
especially with ghostwritten
biographies or whatever, what
have you.
So there’s going to be that.
But then there’s also a lot of
the fan mags both, you know,
bought off eBay like what you
were saying, but much older.
So they can get kind of
expensive.
But luckily there’s a site
called Lantern Media History,
which has just so many tones and
tones, like you said of these
old magazines that archive.org
has hand and upload it for free.
I think it’s through the
University of Wisconsin day on
there because Jean Harlow’s and
every single one of these
magazines because I think their
collection fans from the late
So she’s in the first Jeanration
fan magazines, you know,
photoplay, screen book, what
have you.
And then the next ones that came
after after film criticism got
big like Hollywood Studio
magazine from the 80s.
So I have like 2 Jeanrations of
things to look at there and
that’s not even going into the
archives themselves and looking
at.
Wow.
But that’s so.
Cool.
That’s that they have that much
of those of those early issues
available.
Like, that’s incredible.
It kind of is.
It’s, I mean, it’s.
Rare save them.
That I mean, or the like that, I
don’t know.
I’m I’m very curious like what
archives of magazines are online
that I have never really looked
for like a more recent, you
know, like magazine online as
far as like finding entire
archives.
But that’s incredible, like that
sounds.
Funny, like there I use the
Digital Public Library of
America, which I’m sure you guys
do.
And then Calisphere is a good
one, especially for Hollywood’s.
The online free archives are my
stuff because I mean, I’m lucky
enough to live in California
where I can make a research trip
or I can e-mail on the Academy
Museum and get something sent to
me.
But a lot of people don’t have
that luxury.
So I’m glad that there’s free
online archives of newspapers
and magazines are there for
people, but I just, I hope that
they learn to take it with a
grain of salt, that’s all.
I think that’s a great lesson
because I mean, it’s kind of
similar to the Internet now.
People read something on the
Internet and they believe it.
I just ran into this yesterday
with like somebody repeating
something that I had heard some
other podcast do a little clip
on Instagram and I was like,
stop, that is not true.
Stop.
Spreading this.
Like one person said it, so you
just think it’s true.
But yeah, going back to so, have
you been to the Academy Library?
Not in person, which is crazy,
which I had a research
appointment there I had set up
for like February of 2020,
right?
Oh my God.
And then COVID happened and I
moved and just I started working
into this other job and
financial stuff and I haven’t
gotten back there.
But they are so kind and they
will e-mail you anything if you
aren’t trying to get like 50
documents scanned to you.
And I’ve emailed back and forth
with them and requested like a
handful of documents at a time.
Good to know.
It’s so it’s mostly, you know,
digital, but that’s what we can
do now, which is great.
No, that’s wonderful.
I kind of.
I’m gonna ask you to send me the
list of all of these later on.
Yes.
Absolutely I.
Will cuz I’m like some of these
are familiar and some of them
are not and I will dive into
anything.
Yeah, I feel silly that I
haven’t thought till look to use
Callosphere for this purpose
because I’m an archivist.
Like, that’s my career.
And so I’m like, it’s a little
silly that I haven’t thought.
Like, I don’t know, it’s funny
that I haven’t attached as much
as I really should, even though
like, Drew Barrymore is the
reason I’m doing this, honestly.
Oh, it’s funny.
Like, I mean, cause Jean Harlow
isn’t my only research interest
too.
I have a couple other actresses
and then there’s some whose
biographies come up as I do them
and their interest fades.
But then I’ll forget to look in
these archives for them too.
And I’ll get 2 into Jean Harlow
or two into somebody else.
And then I’m like, wait, I need
to use this archival resource
for everybody.
Yeah, I know.
It’s kind of wild.
That just happened to us this
week.
There’s something I’ve been
trying to find a specific date
for years.
And then we recorded our last
episode.
I’m listening back to it and I
go, Oh my God, why haven’t I
checked for this on
newspapers.com?
And I found it immediately.
And it was like, Oh my God, You
know that feeling when
everything just clicks into
place and you’re like the most
satisfying feeling as a
researcher?
That’s the best.
I love that.
And you just feel like dancing
around like a dork alone.
Yeah, I was like, I want to
shout this from the rooftops
and.
I found.
It you literally said that, I’m
like, I understand you.
We’ve been talking about it for
like years.
It’s really funny.
And I was like, who can I tell
this to?
Who can I tell this to?
What’s so funny?
Is how close you were.
You’re like, I don’t know, end
of November, early December,
something like that.
When you’re like, yes, I knew
it, I’ve been looking for this,
then I knew it.
Yeah, I know that is also the
validation of like there’s a
piece of information in your
mind, but you can’t remember how
you know it.
And then later on you come
across something that’s like,
yes, that is true.
And my gosh, I.
Just have the worst case of this
in the article I was writing
about the Harlow Mansion.
We’re gonna talk about that.
Yeah, I kept thinking of this
quote and I just searched for
days and days through every
magazine I owned and like, have
seen by like trying to find it.
And I thought I had hallucinated
it, but then it turned out it
was in something that I was it
was a different binder and I
forgot I’d owned it, a different
magazine, so.
That’s hilarious because I’ve
been looking for and I’m going
to find it after we do this
because that’s always what
happens to me.
I’ve been looking for this.
I know there was a magazine
clipping that compared our two
beautiful subjects, and I know
it was a picture of Drew from
Batman Forever and I think it
was a dinner at 8 for Jean
Harlow.
And I cannot find it.
I’ve gone through so many things
and I cannot find it and I’m
starting to think I imagined it.
But I’ll find it after we do
this.
I get.
Frustrating when that happens
when you start to think your
organization system for me and
I’m like wow if I can’t find
this we need to redo our system
here yes we.
Understand that entirely,
especially with Anne’s like,
knowledge of how things need to
be.
She keeps telling me like, I
think we need to change the way
everything is dated.
And I’m like, Oh my God, that’s
going to take a lot of work,
but.
But I’m also like, I say all
this knowing what I want it to
be it it means that everything
is like partially that way for
eternity.
Like it’s like, it’s so hard to
actually do.
Oh my God.
OK, so we’re kind of on still
kind of like talking about paper
because you’re talking about
binders and stuff.
So I think it’d be fun to just
talk about collecting before we
get into actual topic.
I know we’re like dancing around
the topic, but this is so fun
because this is what it’s all.
About and there’s other people
that love this stuff too.
So I’m sure like hopefully we’re
bringing in a new audience if
there’s so many great historians
on Instagram of different, you
know, celebrities, actresses,
public figures that I’ve been
discovering lately, including
you, of course.
And so this is so fun.
Like I think I’ve, I’m super
fascinated by all of this.
Yeah, yeah.
And like the peak I got at some
of the stuff, Ashley’s been
paying a lot closer attention.
But like, I know you collect
magazines, I know you collect
press photos.
This is some of like the stuff
that is the primary parts of our
collections for sure.
But other than that, like what
are some of the major pieces of
the collection that you have
other than like press photos and
magazines or are those really
like primary?
Probably my main piece is for
right now, but I have some
really special ones that, you
know, I don’t have as many of.
Like, I have a letter from Jean
Harlow, secretary, apologizing
to a fan that had written after
Jean Harlow had gotten
appendicitis and was out of the
hospital and that Terry was not
with her for very long.
So it’s a very rare letter as
is.
And I have a handful of quote,
UN quote, mother.
Jean signed autographs, not
signed by Harlow herself, but by
her mother, who handled the bulk
of it, which people grown about.
But I think it’s if I was a star
that busy, I’d love if my mother
took over that stuff.
I’d be like, yeah, I don’t want
to deal with that.
So.
So interesting.
I also think having that in your
collection as its own kind of
entity, it’s, you know, maybe
it’s not her writing, but it’s
her mom’s on her behalf, that
becomes its own like sort of
interesting little side thing.
I totally would love that as
well I think.
I think the story of it, the
provenance of it like that just
makes it that much more unique
and cool.
You know that about it like you
know some people.
That just, you know, roll their
eyes are like, oh, it’s some
other on who cares which I can
see where they’re coming from.
But it’s her mother who has a
huge place in Harlow’s Hollywood
history.
That’s like, she was there
totally.
Right.
I mean, we’re going to get into
mother stuff a little bit later
because we are.
We’ve got some samples of Drew’s
mother’s handwriting too.
It just.
Happens to be it’s.
Very like we we like have those
things prized in a similar way,
even if it’s in a different
category, it’s like it’s still
part of her.
Yeah, she wouldn’t exist.
Very intermeshed.
Right, yeah.
And Ashley, I know you wanted to
talk a little bit more about
Sophia visiting the.
House, My gosh.
Well, you set this up, Sophia,
and tell everybody this amazing
experience that you just got to
have.
Thank you.
It was, thank you so much for
asking.
It was a virtual tour yet again.
So you know, not it was great if
I’d gone in person, but I do not
have the time right now.
So I’m so glad that the Realtors
were able to schedule like a
Zoom tour like we’re doing with
me.
And I, they, he flipped his
phone and I got to just do a
tour of the entire house.
Cool.
It was gorgeous.
And having somebody with the
expertise there was the realtor,
you know, and to explain what he
thought of the architecture and
it was just really nice.
You really start to appreciate
people’s expertise and their
passion for things.
And it would just, it’s such a
crazy space because it is so
well preserved.
Like there’s some areas that got
remodeled in the 80s.
That’s fine.
I like them.
I think it’s on the article of
saying it’s less specialized
maintenance to have to deal
with.
So it’s just such a charming
house and I think it’s some,
it’s honestly perfect for
somebody like Drew Barrymore.
Oh, Drew you.
Need a.
House in LA she doesn’t have one
anymore.
That, oh, Can you imagine?
And I don’t blame her, but yeah.
Honestly, Sophia, some of the
photos that you were posting of
the side by sides of, you know,
from Jean’s time versus now, I
was like almost like
hyperventilating with
excitement.
I have like a quite a weird like
obsession with just matching
space, places and locations.
And so when I was seeing the
things like the even the little
knobs on the drawers that
haven’t changed after all these
years, so satisfying, so
satisfying.
And oh, just so I had so much
gratitude to the people or, you
know, multiple people or who
have, however many people have
owned it in the time that they
left it this way.
And it still looks beautiful.
And unfortunately, Drew’s house
in LA that she lived in the
longest that we know the most
about, which also has a huge,
huge history of all kinds of
interesting musicians living
there or passing through a
recording there.
It was like leveled by the
current owner who’s also a music
producer and then rebuilt.
I think it’s pretty much done
and it looks the same, but
knowing that it was leveled,
it’s just so devastating to us.
Love LA in progress, but some of
the things that they built there
to get rid of these older houses
with, they’re just so ugly.
Yeah, and it’s, I mean, it’s
more common than not.
So that just seeing your post,
which will definitely link
specifically to that one as well
as your website in Jeanral was
just I was in heaven looking at
it yesterday.
I can’t even tell you, so thank
you for sharing that.
It was really speaking to my
like, weird nerdy brain.
Thank you so much, was totally
useful.
You guys have an awesome thing
going on too, and I’m loving
learning more about Drew.
Thank you.
Well, one of the coolest things
about this, even though, you
know, our subjects are so far
apart in the times that they
lived, they have a really cool
connection with the fact that
the Barrymores worked with Jean
Harlow more than once.
And, you know, Drew didn’t know
them, but they were her family.
And so it’s almost like this
cool little bridge between the
two.
Lionel, her great uncle,
obviously more so, I would say,
than John, because John was at
MGM for only a little bit of
time, but Lionel was there for
most of his career, just like
Jean.
And they did three films
together, and John is in dinner
at 8:00, but they never share
the screen, which is kind of
like a weird thing there.
Will you tell us what you know
about the relationship that
Lionel and Jean had?
You know, what I’ve heard, and
this is where sources matter, is
that I have heard this and I
could not for the life of me
before this find a paper
reference like here’s this book
page.
So and so it’s been something
I’ve heard like word of mouth
from other collectors and fans
over the years.
So this is only just sourceless,
but as far as I know, since
Lionel Barrymore, I’ve heard in
his two young daughters that
passed young, had sort of a real
affection for Jean Harlow.
Which of course, we really do
know that she and Myrtle Loy
threw a surprise birthday party,
I think for his 59th birthday on
the set of Saratoga.
So there was a real friendship
there.
They wouldn’t have done that for
just some guy was a very
friendly girl.
Everybody on the set got along
with her and Lionel was at her
funeral and John was not, I
believe.
So there’s something there to be
said as well.
I think that’s something
definitely points towards a
friendship.
Yeah, that’s like the whole
thing about him.
I I know it was like a source of
of course, like great sadness
that his children died so young.
And so I love kind of knowing
that he may be like latched onto
her in some way because of that.
That’s so that’s just really
interesting.
I love that.
Yeah, and I know also, I read
that during dinner at 8, she was
really nervous.
I think this is per, I know it
was per David Selznick’s
assistant, that she just didn’t
think she was important.
And so she was scared to share
scenes with anybody and or even
be on the same set with them,
which people at that point were
already beginning to realize her
talent and star powers.
So they were questioning why her
she was so insecure.
And I find that pretty funny.
Sad but funny.
Saba funny.
Yeah.
And I know what you’re thinking.
This is very similar to Drew.
Like, she, she still talks about
how she just like, thinks
everything’s going to go away.
People are going to figure out
she’s a fraud or, you know, just
complete fear.
And yeah, until, like, turning
the age that she turned so
recently, like until she turned
finally gotten over that a
little bit.
But yeah, Drew Barrymore is has
low self esteem.
Yeah, there’s just no way around
it.
And that’s just interesting to
me that, you know, we’ll get
into it a little bit more, but I
think there’s definitely some
really, I don’t want to say cool
because it’s sad that they both
feel felt this way, but like
really interesting parallels
there with their personalities.
There were you guys brought up
the one fan magazine article
interview that Harlow did where
she talks of her inferiority
complex.
And that magazine article goes
on quite a bit where she goes to
talk about talk about how she
doesn’t know where her face came
from and how much her body isn’t
fit into things and how people
think it looks good but it’s
really not.
And how so she can’t talk to
people or she’s, like, being
around, you know, groups of
people and that she’s scared in
front of them.
And, yeah, just massive
insecurity.
And it’s sad when you see this
coming from one of the most
revered, beautiful actresses of
her era, which, you know,
extremely overlaps with Drew and
their upbringings as well.
Oh yeah, definitely.
I think there’s something there
that this has to do with their
upbringings.
Before we even talk about the
mom thing.
It is so interesting to me.
Not only are they both Pisces,
but they have those the
birthdays that are this like
just the same number.
So Drew being 222 and Jean being
That’s I love that.
That is cool.
Yeah.
Two Pisces women.
Harlow’s astrology is
interesting to me too, because I
think we have to.
I mean, I’m not huge on it.
I dabble, but you know, it’s a
cool interest.
And so I think we are both
water, me and Harlow.
And then we have an Aries moon
and she has, you know, I
actually, funnily enough, she
does not have a Libra rising.
I talked to her astrologer’s
grandchild recently and she
correct.
So I’m going to go ahead and
trust her.
And I don’t remember what her
rising actually is.
But yeah, that’s so interesting
with them both being Pisces like
water signs.
Yeah.
And people always say that
Drew’s like the epitome of a
Pisces.
You know, she’s very dreamy and
flowy and feels things very
strongly and that, you know,
take it for what it’s worth.
Like, you don’t have to
completely believe in it, but it
is interesting.
Like is there something there?
Marlow did.
She had a very long and her
mother letter writing
relationship with her astrologer
and I don’t know if Drew is at
all, but it was something that
Harlow actually really was into.
She definitely drew seems to
like probably come out of the
same way.
All of us seem to be like, why
not?
It’s kind of fun.
It’s kind of interesting.
I do see that it’s, you know, I
do see some of that in me.
I don’t know if she’s like
living her life by it, but yeah,
she definitely like embraces her
inner fishy.
Is, is that correspondence with
her astrologer like available?
Have you been able to like see
it?
Oh.
Yeah, Oh.
Yeah, cool.
I can send her URL to you later
because she just posts all of
them publicly on her page, which
is a really nice resource, the
grandchild.
So you can just go and log on
and look at it and you don’t
have to like go through hurdles
or hoops or upload your student
card.
So it’s really nice he’s done
that.
That’s amazing.
Oh my gosh, so cool.
OK, so let’s talk about these
moms that were our listeners are
very familiar with Giroux’s very
complicated relationship with
her mom and from, you know, my
amateur Harlow love, I know that
she also had a very strange
relationship with her mom.
I think it’s fascinating that
they’re both raised by these
single moms who had very
unconventional boundaries, if
you can even call it boundaries.
And no siblings in the picture.
So they they were super
intermeshed with their moms,
like a team, right?
Just me and me and you kind of
thing, which the roles I’m sure
got very complicated.
And I know Druze and Jade’s were
very backwards.
What would you like to tell us
about Jean and the real Jean?
Mama Jean?
Oh, man, yeah, there’s a there’s
a something that can be studied
for years and years.
It is not one that can be easily
have a opinion formed easily.
Like you need to read everything
and think about it for a very
long time.
Really just like Harlow’s
mother, because people put forth
this narrative that she was this
evil dictator who killed her
daughter.
And I didn’t believe necessarily
all of that, but it leads into
just how she’s viewed.
And you know, she was more or
less just a mageur.
Like I’m reading right now a
biography on Amy Semple
McPherson, the first big radio
religion lady with the mega
church.
And she had a Mageur too.
And never in this is it like, I
mean, I know that there’s a diff
there’s nuance here, but never
is it posed that she’s a victim
of her mother.
This is something very Harlow
specific.
I think there’s definitely you
need to have the conversation
and bring up the she was taken
advantage of, but I really don’t
like when people pose her as
this hapless victim whose mother
walked all over her.
She definitely had autonomy.
And I talk on, I talk about this
in the house article, too,
because Harlow’s mother was
there to be emotional support
while her daughter, who was not
married and was widowed and, you
know, didn’t end up living with
her next husband after that, got
to work a very strenuous job
with high demands and didn’t
have to think about a lot of
things that her mom took care of
at home, which is weird.
Yeah, but that’s how it was.
Yeah, that’s what I mean with
these dynamics that are not the
traditional mother daughter
relationships at all.
I mean, and I think both Drew
and Jean supported their mom
financially with their careers
from a really young age, which
also makes things extra
complicated.
Yeah.
Did her mom actually act like
literally as her manager?
Yes, actually at one point she
fired Arthur Landau, who is the
source for the intimate
biography and the two crappy 60s
Harlow’s movies, who got fired
and sold his memories, was fired
because Harlow’s mother wanted
to save the money and ended up
managing her daughter herself at
some point.
But there were various people in
and out of the picture, like
mentors and advice givers.
And, you know, she was never
really by herself.
And I mean, at least for I think
she might have been for a period
of time, but there were always
other people around.
Yeah, that’s very similar.
That’s kind of crazy because
Drew obviously had a manager
earlier on in life and then post
ET her mom just said, OK, how
about I’m going to quit my job,
I’m not going to be gone all the
time anymore, and I’m going to
manage you full time.
And then you know that
complicated things for a while.
Yeah.
And the stepfather, too.
And Harlow’s situation, that was
irritating because the
stepfather was there and there
should have been some kind of
boundary there between the
mother and letting her husband,
who’s not related to her
daughter.
And the the husband was trying,
the stepfather was trying to
like, sell Harlow’s book to
other studios and it got her in
trouble.
And he was trying to negotiate a
higher salary for her at MGM,
which ended up in a suspension.
And she was too, you know,
reticent to really say anything
about it.
She kind of just went, she knew
there would be hell to pay if
she stood up against her
stepfather.
So she kind of just turned the
other cheek until, actually,
William Powell discovered that
this guy was sending money to a
mistress in Mexico in 1935.
So this actually happened to the
divorce where Harlow and her
mother started living together
on their own and had more of
that momager dynamics.
So we can all thank William
Powell at least for getting her
crappy stepfather out of the
picture.
It was pending I think 1/4 of
her salary.
Too.
Oh God, that’s just tragic.
Was there much of an estate left
when she passed?
What?
What was the situation there?
I don’t know anything about
that.
Yes, it was not nearly as much
as some people speculated it was
going to be.
They thought it was going to be
like $1,000,000.
It was not.
She had mostly invested it into
like, savings bonds and stuff
because William Powell had
taught her how to be like.
She had given her some financial
acumen.
But upon her death, it all went
to her mother.
And upon her mother’s death, it
went to her mother and her best
friend, Ruth HAMP.
And this is where Harlow’s novel
ended up being published because
it went unpublished for the
entirety of Harlow’s mother’s
life afterward.
And then when she died, the 60s
films had come out and the the
friend was like, well, we might
as well get this book published
and such of a new interest.
So.
But yeah, other from there, her,
her things have kind of gone to
private collectors and museums
and archives and have kind of
been scattered around.
It’s interesting.
Do you have any like a
cherished?
I know we’re like done talking
about the collection, but now
that you’re bringing it up, do
you have like a cherished item
from sort of her personal life
other than like the letter you
referenced?
I love that.
No, I actually don’t.
I think that’s my biggest 1.
I don’t have any of her personal
effects because at this point
they are rare, hard to buy in 90
years, and so they go for a lot
of money, which I don’t have yet
and I’m not willing to put on a
credit card.
Yeah.
Yeah, I know it’s so hard when
you see those like things pass
you by cuz you’re like, I just
can’t spend that much you.
Know.
Like, but it belongs with
someone who really cares.
Exactly.
I think something will come your
way.
I just it seems inevitable that
you, you know, you could be the
keeper of something like that.
Thank you.
It’s nice.
And do you want to jump in with
the marriages?
Yeah, sure.
They both interestingly, I don’t
know.
Interestingly, Yeah, it is.
We both have had three
unsuccessful marriages each.
Both of their first marriages
were two older men when they
were teenagers.
That’s.
Kind of wild.
Yeah.
I don’t really know much about
Harlow’s first marriage.
Will you tell us about that?
Yes, she met him while she was
in boarding school in Illinois.
He was an orphan and a
millionaire, which is something
out of one of her movies.
Oh my.
God.
His parents died in a boating
accident.
And so here’s this kid who was a
rich, partier, handsome, good
looking.
He had an inheritance coming to
him at 21.
And here was 16 year old Jean
Harlow who was tired of school
and was flirting with this boy.
And they hit it off and they got
married when she was only 16.
But they really loved each
other.
It wasn’t like she was a gold
digger.
I mean, I, I think she wanted
freedom from her mother.
I think she saw it.
You know we all want a true love
when we’re 1516.
Absolutely.
Yeah, Yeah.
Can you?
Blame a girl for going off with
a millionaire’s kid.
You absolutely cannot.
Now.
Her situation and her
stepfather?
No.
SO yeah.
And she ended up coming to
Hollywood with her first
husband, not because of a film
career, but because it was cold
out in Illinois and because they
kind of wanted to get away from
Bellows.
And so that’s when they came
out.
And they lived together for
their first year and a half, I
think, until they split in 1929
after Harlow started doing bit
work.
And her husband was not a fan.
And so, you know, she was kind
of go into this by her mother.
She ended up going with a
friend, Rosalie Roy, as she
drove her to the studio for a
screen test.
And of course, the Paramount
executives were looking at the
blonde girl in the car, so they
wanted to come back.
And so threw some goading.
Her mother made her go back, and
she ended up using her mother’s
maiden name.
And then from there on, we have
Jean Harlow.
And her husband was not a fan of
any of this.
And there was a lot of alcohol
abuse in the relationship too.
They were big drinkers and they
would go on benders.
And I know there was there were
violent fights.
And yet people want to say that
Jean Harlow would have lived or
had a happier life if she had
remained with this guy.
And I think that’s a lot of
hogwash.
Oh, people love to make weird
assumptions like that, huh?
Yeah, like the diet of kidney
failure is the thing like she’s
it’s not going to change the
outcome achieved what she did.
So tragic.
And then I kind of, when you
were talking about her mom, you
know, really pushing it, do you
feel like, because we definitely
think that there’s a bit of this
with Drew’s mom, that she was
sort of trying to live out her
own Hollywood dreams through her
daughter?
Oh, absolutely.
I think I read something that
I’ve never been able to
validate.
I read that Jean Harlow’s mother
was using the stage name Jean
Poe, which would have been I
think her mother’s maiden name,
just like Jean Harlow used
trying to come to Hollywood in
the 20s.
But there’s no record that I
could find of her doing any
screen tests.
Or maybe nobody wanted her or
her even trying to get into
these circles because apparently
she was too old at this point
and her beauty was kind of a bit
more Broadway theatrical.
I don’t think she had a very
delicate, screen fitting beauty.
Yeah, that’s interesting.
The name thing also is just like
very fascinating to me.
I was thinking about it this
morning that you know, your Jean
took her moms name and was using
her moms name.
So there’s a weird identity
thing there and then Drews mom
gives her three family
historical theatrical names.
All three of her names Drew
Blythe Barrymore.
It was almost like you are going
to be a star.
It’s.
A lot of pressure for a young
woman.
Yeah, just the name alone.
Yeah, because even just without
the stage name her, her real
name Harlene is still a
portmanteau of Harlow and Jean
in the 1st place.
So there’s no escaping that for
her.
It’s always there.
She was given it, and then she
took it one step further.
She’s.
Like whatever, it’s not much of
A change.
It’s so weird.
It’s really interesting to me.
I love names.
So let’s talk a little bit about
this sort of like the
typecasting that both of our
ladies experienced at some point
in their career with this, like
the dumb blonde or the sexy bad
girl.
You know, Drew has shed that
it’s way past behind her.
But there was a time in the 90s
where like that’s what she was
known as and that was solely
what she was known as.
And it took a lot for her to
break away from that.
And it was very intentional.
What was Jean’s sort of
experience with that?
Oh well, she was just AB she
rose straight up into the
headlines out of dust out of
nowhere.
It was just meteoric that words
almost overused but just because
Howard Hughes had picked her out
of no out of all these nobodies
to be the New Girl in the sounds
version of Hell’s Angels because
great in this and the original
lead was European and her accent
was too peppy.
So he picked me out of nowhere
and then all of a sudden it was
just she remembered it.
Is it just being publicity
publicity, publicity from the
get go, which I think would
probably be relatable to Drew
and having so much of that in
her early childhood.
Like I saw what you were said
the other day about a picture of
Drew being read into with a
bunch of alcohol bottles.
Yeah.
And it reminded me a lot of what
Jean was experiencing at that
time with She wouldn’t pose with
certain men alone because she
was going through a divorce.
And she would get her mother to
pose with her because she knew
there’d be rumors in the in the
papers.
And she’s, like, 1819 years old.
Yeah.
Shouldn’t you know, it’s just a
lot for somebody to deal with.
It’s actually.
That alone is interesting
because Drew, I think has like
historically not been aware of
like publicity like around her.
She’s like, I’m just a, I’m just
a person doing my thing.
Like not, I mean, especially
when she was like 1918, she was
so weirdly unaware of how much
like every step that she takes
is of interest to people.
I love that Jane was like, I
think a little more she was shy.
And people like, you know,
Merkel will say you’ll never
believe that about her, but she
was shy.
And I think she relied on her
mother-in-law to be her public
facing warrior, her champion.
And that’s, you know, missed by
some people.
And I think she did care about
how she was thought of, which is
how she managed to make it out
of the whole Paul Byrne thing
too, which was a crazy thing for
someone that young to deal with
is how a husband killed
themselves.
Yeah.
Do you know that’s do you know
that story, Anne?
Not a lot about it.
I read briefly in that article
that Sophia wrote about the
house, but no, I don’t know
really about that.
Yeah, her second husband, she
married.
He was an executive at MGM.
So this was viewed oddly as well
because he was kind of called
the palace eunuch because he
was, you know, he’s never
married.
He was asexual.
He was kind of the the mentor
and the older brother type to
the stars at MGM.
So when he married Jean Harlow,
people saw this as kind of her
coming up on Norma Shearer
asserting her territory because
Shearer was married to Irving
Thalberg, the head of
production.
That’s funny.
Like, oh, here comes Harlow.
She’s married to Paul Byrne.
But it was really because Byrne
paid attention to Harlow’s
softer, more intellectual side
and brought that out in her and
offered career guidance and
Jeanrally saw her be on this
dumb blonde image we’re talking
about.
So you’re a young woman who’s
just getting caught up by every
man on earth.
Of course you’re going to go for
somebody, you know, older.
She also had daddy issues.
I mean, just saying.
So, you know, she didn’t have a
father around.
So having an older man to rely
on for guidance was beneficial
to her.
But unfortunately, he was, you
know, people have their own
theories about this.
I’m just telling you I believe,
But feel free to come to your
own conclusions with the
evidence that’s out there.
I think he killed himself.
He was mentally disturbed and he
had a common law wife still who
had re entered the picture.
And whatever went on between the
three of them, nobody will ever
know.
There’s so much literature
written about it.
But in the end, Byrne died.
Some people believe his first
wife killed him.
Some people believe he killed
himself.
But either way, what that
reflected on Jean Harlow, who
was already experiencing this
whirlwind of.
You know, years of publicity
about her sexuality.
It didn’t look good.
So it required a lot of fixing
from the studio to not ruin her
image.
Just the level of trauma right
there.
I mean, I think that we we think
there’s trauma that drew
experience that we don’t even
know about it.
It, you know, we can read
between the lines, We can see
proof of it.
And it’s no wonder that both of
these women, you know,
experienced substance abuse
because of these things that
they went through at such young
ages.
And, you know, being in the
public eye while those things
are going on, that level of
pressure, it’s just it’s too
much for.
Somebody to deal with.
Oh yeah, I have somebody in my
comments or actually a few
people who come in and say, you
know, all this kidney failure
stuff’s a conspiracy.
She died because she was
drinking and, you know, her
alcoholism killed her and which
isn’t true.
But even if it was like,
firstly, who cares?
Like I’m here about her career,
obviously, but like I’m not here
to sit and tried out all this
tragedy and responses to very
real traumatic situations that
affected very a very young
woman.
Right.
Yeah, it’s just it’s crazy.
They’re did.
They definitely both have had a
lot of press and a lot of eyes
on their every move and picking
it all apart.
You know, and I love that we
both are here or we all three of
us are here to like, here’s the
real truth or like, don’t
believe that.
Or hey, maybe you should look at
it with this sort of different
viewpoint.
Or do you know these things that
led up to this, like, you know,
that this is a whole person.
It’s not just these little
factoids that people like to
drop out there.
Exactly.
And like, the anniversary of
this whole Paul Burn death thing
is coming up too.
So like, I’m going to have to
talk about it.
And I so hate, like, posting the
photos of her at his funeral or
like, sharing like her trauma in
the wake of it and how she too
tried to jump out a window.
It just feels there’s a weird
line between it being
exploitative and protecting the
public record.
Yeah, I want people to know what
happened, but I also don’t want
to exploit it because I believe
even public figures should have
private facets to their lives.
So it’s there.
That is something that we
definitely think about and take
into consideration.
And, you know, we’ve been lucky
enough, weirdly, to have kind of
gotten this, like, stamp of
approval from Drew on what we do
and that she knows that she
loves the intention behind it.
So she, like, feels good about
what we do.
But yeah, there’s sometimes that
we’re like, is it weird that
we’re even talking about this?
But we want it to be like,
historically accurate, you know?
Yeah.
I mean, we still, I think we try
to avoid using like certain like
paparazzi photos, you know, like
if we like, we have to of
course, at times if we’re
talking about like a historical
moment, but like there’s
somewhere it’s like, OK, there,
that’s a line that was drawn.
Like we try to think about that.
Even though Drew is an open book
and you know all of that, it’s
still, I don’t know.
No, it’s it’s you’re right,
because there are these terrible
pictures.
And I mean, I was thinking about
it in the context of, well,
maybe you shouldn’t be this
upset about this me to myself,
because this woman was filmed
literally as she was dying for
months.
And I was like, maybe it’s not
that exploitative, but it is
because these pictures of her
taken at Burns funeral, her eyes
are swollen, She looks lost,
She’s gazing off, and she has to
be supported by two different
people.
And it’s just not like I’m just
gonna tell people, like, look,
if you wanna see all these
terrible images, they’re on
Google.
Yeah, like I can talk about them
in a firm where it’s real, but
if you wanna go, I’m not gonna
post them.
Maybe like one that’s not
terrible, but it’s just, it’s
weird.
Trying not to glorify it.
Yeah, yeah, it’s a, it’s a, it’s
definitely a weird line we have
to walk.
And then we’re like also, you
know, there’s a possibility of
her seeing what we’re doing.
So we really extra want to
respect that.
Not that it’s, you know, it’s
different, but it, it’s the same
in a lot of ways.
They still want to be
respectful.
And I’m sure, Sophia, you would
want to do something that would
honor Jean like we do something
that honors Drew as a person.
Like we are trying to respect
her at all times regardless.
Yeah, Ashley, did you already
mention the photographer
crossover?
Probably 1 of the only people
that could say they worked with
both of these ladies would be
the photographer George Harrell,
who I think is it’s.
Would you say he’s almost most
known for his portraits of Jean?
I would be venture to say so
because the one with her with
the polar bear rug I think is
one of the most famous images of
all time.
Yeah, it’s definitely there’s
the there’s a picture taken in
the 70s or 80s of Harrell with
his famous portraits and the
Carlo 1 is the most prominent.
So I’d say it’s, yeah, it’s
devil there.
Yeah, that’s really cool.
I love that.
Yeah.
So he, Drew, was lucky enough to
be photographed by him in 1984
when she was, you know, only do
the math, nine years old.
Yeah.
And I just love that That’s like
one of it’s one of the few
people who worked with her
family members who also worked
with her.
And then, you know, one of those
very rare connections we have
between these two ladies.
I love that.
Like a direct one.
We can make about a million
indirect ones, yeah.
I mean, do we want to talk about
some of these, like, you know,
more these comparisons that have
been made between the two women
in the public?
Because, you know, we have
Marilyn, of course, we have a
whole episode on her.
And Drew really admired her and
has done some homages to her
over the years.
And I sort of feel like, you
know, both of our ladies are on
the bookends, Marilyn as being
like the blonde bombshell of the
moment at some point in their
careers.
And, you know, Jean, of course,
being sort of the original.
I don’t think there’s anyone
before her that could be called
that it.
Would you agree?
I would agree there have been
blondes, like there was Mae
Murray before her and other
bright blondes, but she was the
first one with a moniker.
I believe that was and she that
still is in our lexicon.
We still have platinum blondes
today, so the impact of that is
immeasurable.
Totally.
Crazy.
It’s so amazing.
Yeah.
So I feel like Drew was
definitely compared just, you
know, maybe in a lazy way to her
here and there, especially in
the 90s.
But you know, one of the most
obvious reasons that people
would have compared them would
be the eyebrows.
And it’s so funny because so
many people in our age range
blame Drew for the fact that
they no longer have eyebrows
because they over plucked them
in the 90s to look like her.
No, that’s.
A long time watch Look girls.
I mean, that’s that’s me.
I actually was going to say I
was thinking about this earlier
when I was skimming through
these notes, Ashley, and I don’t
think I’ve like really thought
about this, but I have an
extremely thin eyebrows that I
plucked really thin in like 8th
grade, which would have been
right before I really was a fan
of Drew.
And I was sort of doing it like
I wanted my eyebrows to look
like 1930s, like I was almost
more inspired by Jean Harlow
esque eyebrows.
And then it just ended up being
like, OK, well now I’ve got the
like Drew B ended up with.
As well ended up growing back,
I’ll tell you because I was
there too.
I ended up having to.
I would still have them but I
got eczema from plucking, so
much so.
Oh my gosh.
I don’t know why they grew back
they didn’t like.
It’s because I’m Italian or
something, I don’t know.
We’re both Italian too.
Yeah, but I, I don’t know mine.
They never recovered.
I don’t even fuck them ever
anymore and they’re just like
little tiny thin things like.
You’re not alone though, I mean,
I know anytime a picture of Drew
from the mid 90s is posted,
there’s at least like 5 people
in the comments saying This is
why I don’t have any eyebrows,
but I kind of love like, I don’t
know, I would love to ask Drew
one day if it was an
intentional, you know, style
choice to harken back to Harlow
and maybe other contemporaries.
But it definitely there.
There’s a really good connection
there that I really enjoy.
It’s.
So interesting.
I’d love to know that too,
because in Harlow’s case, you
know, it was a real stylistic
thing that led to her image.
I mean, Marlena Dietrich was
doing it too.
But both of them had very low
set eyebrows and with the
removal of them, it opened up
their face and them pop like art
Deco artifacts.
And the way that these faces
photograph on camera, on film,
it’s just beautiful.
And you know, I always get the
comments too.
They’re clown eyebrows and my
mother had no eyebrows and it
was because of.
Jean Harlow’s Yeah, see they
both, they both get blamed.
I kind of Jeanrationally.
I love that it’s like my grandma
didn’t have eyebrows.
But also I’ve never really,
really thought about
aesthetically like what it does
to the face.
Like honestly, I’ve never
thought about that.
When you said like art Deco,
like like there’s something
about like the structural, like
what it does to the structure of
like your entire eye to have the
brows like that, yes.
Part of what is something why
Jean clicked with me is, you
know, we all look for some so
ourselves and somebody else.
How do I move?
Bars are there because they’re
relatable is the way the
architecture of her face because
I have a cleft chin.
I had a pudgy, like very baby
fat face at the time when I
discovered her.
And then when I just saw, I
thought, wait, Oh my God, the
eyebrows.
I can take them off and they’ll
make me look older.
It was like a revelation.
And I just, I felt so great in
those brows and I was so
thankful to her for wearing them
because they were an inspiration
for me so.
That’s really fun.
And also what you just said it
kind of, I saw you had made a
note that I’m a huge No Doubt
fan.
They’re my favorite band in the
world.
But I agree with you that Gwen
Stefani’s casting as Jean in The
Aviator was like not correct.
I think her angular face, aside
from her age being way too old
at that time.
But her angular face I think is
part of the problem.
Whereas Drew’s, you know, has
that little more fullness to it
where maybe she would have
looked a little more accurate
for the part.
She still would have been too
old I think as well.
But.
No, that’s exactly where I came
from it too, because she has
more of a softness.
Yeah, of a rounder face that
accentuated that youthfulness
that Marlo had.
And quench.
Stefani, I love her too, but she
did come into it with the kind
of like, yeah, I’m going to
Stefani’s I.
Just.
Don’t see Harlow in that.
It’s all Gwen to me.
Yeah, I would agree.
OK, so have you ever noted or
known of with Batman Forever
Drews character of Sugar?
She is in Drews always described
her as a Marilyn in a row
tribute.
And when Anne and I covered the
film, I started realizing I’m
seeing like Jean Harlow more
than Marilyn even in some of the
scenes.
And one of the main reasons was
because the layer where the
character to face has his 2
girls, sugar and spice.
It’s you know, literally down
the line dark and light and the
sugar side.
I was like the set decor has got
to be inspired by jeans in
dinner and eight.
Like there’s just no way around
it in my mind.
Have you ever noticed or known
about this?
I definitely thought about like
I was not I had seen the film,
but I didn’t think about it in
that way until you brought it
up.
And then I rewatched it.
I was like, wait, totally.
I actually would like I squeezed
because it absolutely is like a
total hosh.
Like, I mean the character
itself is a pastiche, but that
lair that’s percent dinner date.
And, you know, because it,
famously, that set was designed
in 11 different shades of white
and it any shadow that was
thrown on it would screw up the
scene.
And they had to hold scenes
through like strips of saws and
crap like that.
So I think that’s a real tribute
there.
And I see it more in the space
than I do with Drew’s character
because I think Drew, it does
lean a little more.
Monroe knows the back.
I think it’s just a pastiche in
everybody.
Yeah, I, I was really excited
during our research because I’d
already made that like
observation myself.
And then I finally found
something where the director,
Joel, Joel Schumacher, actually
referenced Jean and said that he
wanted Sugar to be Drew meets
Marilyn meets Jean.
And I was like, yes, I see it.
I see a Joel, you did it.
Yeah, that’s interesting.
I do.
I think that the character in
that, you know, because she’s
named Sugar, because she’s the
nice one versus Debbie Mazar, is
a little softer than Harlow’s
image on screen.
Because even in her later, like,
reformed roles, she’s still
giving people hell constantly.
So there’s a distinction to be
made, but just like with the
imagery, it’s so on point.
It’s a great tribute.
Yeah, that’s one of the things I
love about every Jean Harlow
movie I’ve ever seen.
She, I mean, she it’s not just
that she’s physically
breathtaking because you can’t
take your eyes off her, of
course.
But like, I just love how she,
like, spits out lines and like
when you said like, she’s given
it to you, It’s like, yes, that
is totally how I feel when I
watch her.
And I just love that.
The Harlow freak out.
It’s like one of my favorite
genres.
It’s like Clara Bow has her own
kind, Harlow has hers.
It’s wonderful.
That’s really funny.
I think Drew does too, and I’ve
never really thought about it,
but I would say she deaf.
There’s definitely a Barrymore
freak.
Out.
Oh, I think so too.
I mean, she’s got any dawn on
her than yes.
One really fun thing is that
Drew was actually photographed
by the photographer Ellen von
Unworth for a magazine called
Talk in 1999.
And the feature was like, I
think it was called like, give
me my dream roles.
And so she was in three
different looks and they’re
supposed to sort of evoke 3
different stars from the past.
And unfortunately, we’ve only
seen this one singular photo of
her as Jean.
And it it think it’s like this
big in the magazine.
Do you remember?
And it’s like it’s.
It’s very small.
And I’ve never been satisfied
with it.
Like I’ve always felt like, oh,
but like I see what they’re
going for, but it like doesn’t
quite hit for me.
And I’m just so curious if
there’s outtake somewhere when
you see this, this image and
we’ll share this on the episode
page for you guys.
If you’re not familiar, what do
you see as the expert?
Like do you see what they were
going for or are you confused by
it?
I see what they were going for
but to me it screams more of a
celebration of the decades
ideals because all of it was
being thrown back to the 30s not
just drew like the eyebrows, the
bias cut silk dresses and the
hemlines and the slinkiness and
the even the body styles that
were getting popular then.
I think it was all throwing back
the watch of the 30s and I see
more of that than I do a Harlow
specific thing.
But her pose definitely is
throwing back to a heart.
I mean, I see that she has the
like, luscious lips and open
eyes that kind of makes me think
of some of Harvey White photos
of Jean for dinner 8.
So I mean, while the execution I
think isn’t as good as we want
it to be, I can definitely see
what they were going for.
Like there’s here, it’s there.
I know I would love, love, love
to see an outtake.
And usually with Ellen Von
Unworth, we at least see a
couple different outtakes from
Oliver shoots, and this
particular one, it’s like that
is the sole picture from this
setup that we’ve ever seen.
And it would be so neat, yeah,
to see like if we’d be able to
see more like how it’s Jean,
Yeah, like that would.
Look, that too.
It’s like we’ll see it.
Yeah, Helen, on, on yours.
Come on.
Like we need you to pull out
these other photos just please,
maybe we need to reach out to
her specifically for her.
Archive, you know, There we go.
I do love the caption that they
put on it, which says like.
It only confirms our growing
suspicion, already widespread
among many film goers, that she
is only on loan to us from
another movie era altogether.
Yeah.
I love that.
That’s really witty.
I mean, she is in a way, you
know, of course, it’s like her
jeans are literally from another
movie era.
But I just love that.
Just a couple last little things
is that the director and Amy
Heckerling went to Drew’s 2001
wedding to Tom Green.
So there’s Drew’s second one
also.
Very strange marriage right
there and full of all kinds of
scandal and antics.
She had said that Drew wore a
dress like Jean Harlow’s that
only the people with the kind of
old Hollywood glamour can pull
off.
And we have some really cool
photos of it being in design.
It doesn’t quite look like how
it finished up being, but this
deep cut in the back is
something that Drew did a lot
and it that is that something
that you would see Jean wear.
Absolutely.
The backless was definitely like
that was the erogenous sound of
the 30s too.
And that was something she there
were a lot of backless gowns she
wore.
I’m trying to think of a film
China sees.
There’s one there’s a beautiful
backless gown on that.
So I’d say there’s, yeah,
definite overlap.
And yeah, it’s a beautiful gown
on Drew.
It is, and we don’t have any
great photos from this day,
unfortunately.
Here’s an example where we just
have to rely on paparazzi photos
and we go, is this okay that
we’re doing this, but it’s all
we have?
We know I have no photos of
Harlow from her third wedding
either, which is, you know, only
the reception after.
So I know how that goes.
If there were paparazzi photos,
which there’s ones from after,
yeah, I just want them all
those, they’d be a historic
thing at this point.
You understand?
Yeah.
And I love that.
The backless thing is, like Drew
has always said, that’s her
favorite physical feature of
herself as her back.
So she’s worn a lot of gowns
that are open like this in the
back.
And this just happened to be one
that someone specifically said
reminded them of Jean Harlow.
But there’s lots of other
examples out there as well.
I totally overlooked the dinner
at Eight.
You know, the famous scene where
she says, oh, I, I can’t expose
the skin on my back.
It’s terribly delicate.
And she turns around and she has
the backless gown.
There.
That’s right.
Yeah, it’s.
Totally overlooked that.
It’s like one of the big punch
lines.
Of course I knew there was
something in my mind about.
It yeah, no, totally.
I don’t watch Dinner at Eight as
much as I used to because it’s
such a Harlow powered film.
I find myself wanting to skip
through other scenes in it to
get to hers, which is terrible.
Love everybody.
That doesn’t make sense because
it is such an unsolvable movie.
And it’s, it’s been a really
long time since I’ve watched it.
But yeah, John Barrymore’s
scenes are like totally by
himself, away from all the other
characters.
So it’s like a whole separate
thing.
And I do find her the most
engaging and engrossing in that
movie.
So I think every time I watch it
I’m also like waiting for her to
come back on screen.
It’s so funny with the cast
photo taken of dinner at 8,
where I think, well, Lionel’s in
it.
It’s a color photo.
I think you must have seen it.
And Harlow’s in it too, but John
is not.
Which typical, but everybody
else is.
Yeah, but they probably must
have just like done him
separately.
Yeah.
Makes sense.
He’s like playing himself in
that movie.
In fact, when they So Drew Co
hosted TCM The Essentials for
three years, and one of their
very first films they covered in
the first season was Dinner at
And I went back and watched, and
unfortunately she doesn’t talk
about Jean in that episode
because she’s mostly talking
about her grandfather and how
he’s playing almost like a
parody of himself in that movie,
and it’s a little tragic.
Yeah.
And I was loving those videos,
too, because it really shows how
modest and down to earth she is
because she’s not.
She’s highlighting the
accomplishments of her relatives
and also talking about people
who aren’t, which, you know,
some people who are relatives of
descendants of people as famous
as she would.
I would just be like, oh, yeah.
And they were so cool, my
relative.
And they worked with this person
and they worked with this.
And she doesn’t talk like that
at all.
She speaks with such reverence
of everybody, real respect for
the films and it is just so
lovable.
Yeah, respects everybody like
almost, almost to like a fault
sometimes.
It’s like, OK, not everybody
needs you to treat them like
they’re the best person in the
world.
We love that.
I love that too.
And then I believe it was I, you
know what, I didn’t make a note
of this if this was the second
or the third season, but they
also covered Libeled Lady.
I think it was the only other
movie of hers that they did
during the essentials.
But it we have a nice little
moment that Anne’s going to play
during, you know, so they would
do an intro and talk about the
movie and then they would show
the film and then they talk
about it again at the end, Drew
and Robert Osborne.
So we’re going to play this
little part here.
I mean, she’s just, you can’t
stop watching her.
There’s a great moment in the
movie where she comes out in
this robe and she has these fur
cuffs on her wrists that are
about, you know, this big and
she wears it so well.
You know, she’s just a dynamic,
you know, movie star and
comedian.
And it’s tragic that she was
taken from us and a.
Chameleon, too, because she
could be so tough, you know, and
she can also be femme fatale,
tough as nails and stuff, and
she can be very sweet and
adorable and.
And you know, all those faces of
Jean Harlow.
Yeah.
Who does that sound like as
well?
Exactly.
That is so sweet, the way she
put that.
And I love how he was saying
that Jean Harlow can be adorable
in a femme fatale.
Like, yeah.
Exactly.
You know who you’re talking to,
right, Robert?
She’s also kind of.
Amazing, amazing.
But Drew definitely is like,
yeah, the way she talks about
everybody on these, you’re
right.
There’s such a reverence is
exactly the right word.
She has such reverence for like
filmmaking and and the art of it
and especially when it comes to
anybody from her family’s era
like.
Yeah, it’s extra special for
her.
Yeah, she speaks like a
historian.
It’s nice.
She’s not throwing out a bunch
of gossip like, Oh yeah, my
grandfather said she was drunk
on Sunday.
It’s very nice.
She would never.
Yeah, exactly.
That’s why we love her.
Well, thank you so much for
Sophia.
Is there anything else that you
would like the public to know
about Jean that maybe they don’t
realize?
I I really love that you’re just
kind of out there beating the
drum of like, get to know the
real story of this incredible,
you know, the short, tragically
short life.
But just we’re still fascinated
with her all these years later.
Thank you.
I mean, I think one thing I
think people should take away is
just how much of the opposite of
her screen character she was in
real life.
Everybody says it.
She wasn’t like that at all.
That’s what William Powell even
said, because she was quiet.
I mean, it doesn’t mean she was
just a total Pollyanna, but she
was quiet.
She was nice.
She was, you know, not that
outgoing or outspoken.
She was, you know, she liked to
sit in and read and she was a
very genuine individual and who
didn’t like to wear clothes and
didn’t care about makeup.
So screen and she has been you
know, you know, it’s just
interesting because people tend
to view her through that lens.
And I think people should
remember at the end of the day
that she is a good actress less
what they think about because
she manages to fool everybody.
He was.
I think that’s.
Take away, I love that, but that
also makes me think of Marilyn
Monroe.
Of course like that.
They have that similarity for
sure.
For sure both of them are
experts at creating their image.
Yeah, and that’s huge like, you
know, being like your own sort
of the model for your, I don’t
know, like like paving your own
path, I don’t know, doing
something new.
Like it is interesting to think
about the original, like maybe
original blonde bombshell and
how that phrase and those things
can be applied to so many people
since.
But our ladies are kind of these
like 2 figureheads that have
like floated in and out of the
blonde bombshell world.
I don’t know.
I love that.
Yeah.
But deep down, they’re just
little sweethearts.
Adorable little sweethearts.
So much metal is you just built
off that image.
It’s crazy, yeah.
My gosh.
Well, thank you.
Where would you want people to
find you?
On most everything, I mean, I’m
going to be adding a .com to this
website.
So by the time the people listen
to this, it might be
harlowheaven.com, but it might
still be
harlowheaven.wordpress.com.
But either way it’ll redirect.
So, but other than that, I mean,
my personal social media is all
I think under Vitaphone zone and
I run a newsletter about non
well, a lot of Jean Harlow
related stuff, but a lot not as
well if people are interested in
that.
So thank you for asking me.
Of course, Oh my gosh, I just
want to like share people like
you and the work that you’re
doing because I appreciate it so
much.
And you know, let’s get more
like factual historian based
information out there.
Let’s all keep doing what we’re
doing.
Especially about actresses who
are like, underrated.
Well, thank you again and we
will be watching everything that
you’re doing and I hope to
continue this really cool
friendship that I’m so happy
we’ve started.
Thank you, it’s mutual.
I’ll be looking out for what you
guys are putting out too and
I’ve been loving listening to
your pod and thanks so much for
inviting me.
I’m so glad to talk to some
other women too about this type.
Of stuff, yeah.
Like I love them but so.
Yeah, totally.
But yeah, thank you so much.
It was a joy having you of.
Course.
Well, thank you so much.
You guys have a great evening,
OK?
You too.
Bye.
Okay everyone, thank you for
listening to our conversation
with Sophia.
I hope you liked our kind of
back and forth banter regarding,
you know, our girl and her girl.
We had a lot of fun talking to
her.
So thank you for joining us,
Sophia.
Oh my gosh.
And definitely go check out her
work.
Like very inspiring to me and
very helpful.
In fact, you know, in that
conversation she mentioned about
how we could reach out to the
Academy library.
Right.
Which we just did and we got
some amazing documents that I
don’t know, like how we would
ever use them on the show maybe.
Right if.
We did a whole episode on, like,
frigid and Impotent, the project
that never came to be that went
on for years with her trying to
work on it.
Right.
Yeah, I definitely.
I’m gonna utilize that as a
resource even more the library,
now that we know we can just
order these pages online.
Yeah.
So cool.
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I’m Anne.
And I’m Ashley, and this week we
are discussing a really
excellent article from the UK
version of Premiere magazine,
June 1995.
And this is like this one was
flying under my radar.
And I’m so glad we’re going to
talk about it.
Yeah.
And I think you mentioned that
one of the reasons it flew under
your RAID or there’s a couple
reasons, 1 is that we both
thought that this was like just
a picture magazine, like they
didn’t have an article with it
for.
Some reason or that maybe it
would be like a one page
article, not like one of these
really nice meaty in depth
following her for days and we.
Should have known because it’s
premiere magazine but somehow
being UK premiere it just didn’t
click.
And also it’s slightly
oversized.
So you were saying it’s not
something you flip through all
the time.
So flying under the radar for so
many reasons.
Yeah, I don’t look that at all.
Yeah, because I have been intact
instead of in my binder, so I
would just not look at it much.
I’d read it before there were
things that were familiar, but
just wait.
You guys, this is a good one.
It’s a good one.
Really enjoy this.
We like doing the articles, and
this was a fun surprise that,
you know, we wouldn’t have
thought of immediately.
Totally.
OK, so let’s get into a couple
of things at the top before we
get into the magazine.
Go ahead and talk about this
little side project, do you?
OK, so I know like one thing
that we just cannot get it
together with over here is
merch.
I don’t know, like we both have
our strengths and the things
that we bring to this podcast.
And merch is like the thing that
I think we’re both like, can
someone else just do this,
please?
But I did end up ordering some
postcards just very much on a
whim.
I think I like saw them on
Canva.
I thought it was cute.
I put it in my art, I forgot
about it, and then they went on
sale.
And so I was like, screw it,
let’s go.
So we sent out some really cute
postcards.
They’re kind of flimsy, like
they’re not that special, but
they’re still cute.
I thought it was a fun way.
And then I really, especially
with my husband’s support and
motivation, I’m really working
on stickers.
We had like this whole talk
about it this morning because
he’s had so many businesses and
he’s done a lot of sticker
stuff.
He’s referred me to a company
that he likes.
Literally you.
And I just have to sit down and
like just hide on the design.
And then I want to offer those
up as like merch to buy.
Cool.
So I’m talking about like a cute
little sheet where you would get
all kinds of different.
How do you do stickers?
So fun.
I’m gonna say it now on the on
the air so that way I can be
held accountable and hopefully
actually make this happen.
I’ve started and stopped merch
so many times like I just can’t
do.
It and I feel like at some point
you were like, can you like pick
up from here?
I started this thing and then I
was like, sure.
And then it just, no, I just
never had the capacity to think
about it.
But we’re dabbling, you know,
we’re starting to dabble in it.
Four years later, yeah.
So if anybody out there wants, I
had you Drew postcard.
They’re really cute.
Just send us an e-mail or Adm on
social, whatever you want to do
even you could even comment here
wherever you’re listening to us,
and we’ll send you some mail.
Yeah, someone sent me a letter.
Crinkle, crinkle, crinkle.
Okay, another really fun thing
that I feel like you should
take, but I can introduce it a
little bit.
So you have started to have a
little bit of a relationship
going with Kim Greene, the makeup
artist that has worked so many
films with Drew through
Instagram.
We interviewed her on episode
But go ahead.
And if you want to talk, there’s
like a little bit about what
you’ve got going on right now.
Yeah.
I don’t even remember how it
really started, but I think she
just, she, she just really likes
us and she’s super friendly and
cool.
Like she is just like a cool
lady.
Like you just have such a fun
time talking to her.
Like Anne said, our episode 20
is a really fun interview with
her and she worked with Drew you
guys for like a huge
renaissance.
Like we’re talking what was the
first one?
Best men, so 96 and then through
like Duplex.
So those two movies you might be
like, but in the middle of that
was in.
Between the.
Wedding singer ever after Never
been kissed Charlie’s Angels.
Like really big deal.
So all the way through Full
Throttle, I shouldn’t have said
duplex because she did full
Throttle as well.
So anyway, we’ve just been
chatting and she’s just really
fun and sweet.
And she was like asking me for
some advice about Instagram and
stuff like that.
And we ended up doing this
really fun collaboration because
she’s been going through her
archives and yeah, getting
really organized.
If you guys are not following
her on Instagram, it’s at Kim
Greene with an E on the end of
green.
You got to get over there.
She’s been sharing.
It’s just like, it’s just like
everyone.
She shares my jaws on the floor.
Yeah.
New, never before seen Polaroids
from Drew’s films.
And she’s also sharing, like,
the makeup charts for what she
was, you know, using back then.
It’s really neat.
So we did a collab on just all
of the red lipsticks that she
used in Charlie’s Angels, and it
was just, it was so much fun.
She’s like everything she sent
me, I was just like, Oh my God,
Kim, this is so incredible.
And she’s really just trying to
like, get her Instagram, get
more eyes on it.
She actually got mentioned in
People magazine, which was
really cool, or at least on
their website.
So yeah, you guys at Kim Greene, E
on the end, go have some fun.
Look down.
And sleep on it.
Really cool.
Really.
Amazing.
And she’s so cool, you guys,
She’s so cool.
She’s so cool and we interviewed
her so early on in the podcast
and she was like such an easy
conversation.
I I need to re listen to it.
It’s been, I probably haven’t
listened to it since we put it
out so.
A long time.
We never go back and listen to
the old.
Ones no, I know.
Anyway, yes, super cool.
We love Kim.
Let’s go hang out in the Kind
comments corner for a second.
So sweet.
OK, this was from Instagram.
Oh no, it was actually on
threads.
Like I told you guys, I’ve been
hanging out on threads a lot
like over there so far.
And this was like, it was one of
those posts that goes like
incredibly viral, even though
I’m like, what?
Just come over here.
We’ll tell you everything you
want to know about her.
But it was like, here is her
history, you know, that kind of
thing.
This is what Drew Barrymore’s
life was like growing up.
And people are like, whoa, I’ve
never heard this.
I wish someone had a podcast
that would teach me this.
And I’m like, hi, come on over.
Like.
But anyway, there were a lot of
really nice comments from people
who like, really respect Drew’s
resilience like we do, and this
was one of my favorites.
It comes from under score.
Carrie dot Mac under score.
And they said every time someone
on social media makes fun of her
for sitting too close to her
guests or holding their hands, I
want to shake them and tell her
entire childhood story.
She has a ray of light and we’re
all so lucky she survived.
I’m convinced getting a hug from
her would heal every Gen
X kids trauma.
So good.
And.
I mean luckily it had 11.8 K
likes.
People really understood and
agreed with this person.
Well good, I’m glad that that
point got across to 11.8 K
humans.
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OK, I think maybe we’re ready to
start flipping through the
magazine.
Oh boy, I’m excited.
At least the true part, not the
whole magazine.
I didn’t even look at the other
pages to be honest with you.
I’ve been walking around with it
for like a week because I needed
to scan it on the large scanner
at my office, but I keep only
looking at Drew’s part.
I could be missing something
cool in there.
I’ll take a look before I put it
away 19. 95 is a good year.
It is a good year.
So again, this is the UK version
of Premiere magazine, which was
a really cool film focused
magazine.
I feel like 90s was mostly when
they were in print.
And I mean, they did some great
features on Drew over the years,
but this is the from June 1995.
And I want to dedicate this
episode to the Instagram user at
emcee_nema, because MC
they’re French, I believe.
And they had reached out to us
with a really cool little clip
of Drew at the Cannes Film
Festival in 92 that we’d never
seen before.
I was like in Bellevue with her.
And then we just got to like
talking back and forth.
And they had a couple like
transcribed magazines that
they’re like, Oh, I have this.
They’re really into premiere, it
seems like.
Oh, and then they said, do you
have the June 95.1 transcribed?
And I said, no, but you know, I
can do that.
I’m working on transcribing all
of our magazines.
So I’ll get to that.
And then when I opened it up is
when I discovered holy cow, this
was a treasure trove.
This article is amazing, so
thank you MC Nema for bringing
it back into our attention.
Yes, it’s funny how things just
like hide.
There’s a lot of stuff out there
about Drew, you guys inside
that’s.
In our collection and we forget
that’s also how big our magazine
collections are, totally just
big enough.
And you mentioned this, but as
always, the entire feature will
be scanned in high quality and
put on our Patreon.
Actually it.
Is so you guys can go flip
through like almost as if you’re
flipping page by page and read
the whole article in its
entirety.
But like, we’re going to pull a
lot of quotes from this one
because there are so many good
ones.
But if you really want to read
everything, go to Patreon, yeah.
And it’s a good read, so it’s
worthwhile.
So if you’re not already over
there, let’s remind you again.
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OK, so let’s kind of get into
just some of the the facts about
the article who worked on it.
So it was written by Chris
Heath.
He has done some incredible
features on Drew and we’ve
actually covered all the rest of
them, which is so funny, I know.
So he did the article for
details 1993 us from 1997 and
Rolling Stone 2000, which are
all great.
That’s why we covered them.
I will link.
I’ve already set it up.
I’m linking to each of these
episodes that we’ve covered on
this episode’s page.
So if you don’t want to go look
for them, there’s a little
shortcut there for you.
Perfect.
The photographer, the amazing
David LaChapelle, if you’re all
not familiar with him, I feel
like my brain has, like, such an
explosion of color when I think
of his name.
Totally.
You know, it’s like, yeah.
So if you guys don’t know David
LaChapelle and you’re just looking
at these pictures, make sure you
look look at some more from the
contributors page.
It says on working with the
lovely Miss Barrymore.
He says Drew is the coolest girl
I’ve ever photographed.
She takes the cake.
I like that he says that too,
because there’s some cake in the
pictures.
I know that’s what it is.
I was like, why does it feel
like shit?
Cake?
It’s a grapefruit.
But there’s a whole other setup
with Cake which we’ll talk
about.
They work together only one more
time, which is crazy for Detour
episode 125 relatively recently.
Also a great, incredible photo
shoot that was different for
him.
Yeah, not as colorful, but still
very dramatic and like.
Surreal and yeah, yeah.
OK, the hair for this was done
by Clyde Haygood, who I don’t
think has ever worked with you
before, but seem to work with a
lot of musicians and reality
stars still, according to his
Instagram.
And the makeup was done by Jorge
Serio, who works with David La
Chapelle a lot.
And Speaking of someone who
works with him a lot, the
styling and props plus the set
design were done by Kristen
Vallow.
She also did the set design for
Detour 98 and then this was
cool.
She was assisted by Walter
Barnett, who did the props in
the set design for some of
Drew’s Mark Seliger shoots,
including Rolling Stone 2000,
which he called, quote, one of
the most beautiful shoots I ever
did.
Oh.
Cool.
I know.
So, so neat to think of him on
this set and on that set, like
totally, very different.
Yeah.
But also.
Funny that they’re both articles
are both by Chris Heath.
Oh yeah, that’s funny.
That’s funny.
The world of like, celebrity
magazines back then was actually
pretty.
Kind of small because.
We get these like reoccurring
people.
True, and like we are surprised.
Yeah.
OK, we’ll get into the pictures
a bit, but they really are like
a gift for the eyes.
So it’s definitely worth going
to the episode page on how do
you drew.com to see these?
Or if you’re a Patreon member,
hopefully you’re looking at the
high quality scans because
they’re gorgeous.
Yes, on the cover.
Are all of them like yellow
backgrounds?
No, I guess not so bright yellow
background nude Drew’s nude from
the How can I describe this
she’s topless she’s topless, but
she’s covering herself with an
issue of star from July 3rd,
mean, 1990 was a bad time for
tabloids for Drew let’s.
Just say yeah, yeah, good point.
I guess we can point out too
that the the article on the
front page of this issue, this
tabloid says Drew Barrymore, 15,
dances at sex sex orgy as mom
cheers her on.
The reality of this is it was
actually a drag performance at
an after party of the premiere
of Sandra Bernhardt’s film
Without You I’m Nothing on June
So yeah, not a.
Sex orgy, No.
And Drew’s going to actually
talk about this in the article,
which is pretty fun.
Yes.
Do we want to even try to
describe any of these other
pictures?
I always just say this, so yeah.
Well, we can just talk about
like some of the other setups.
So we have a again with the
yellow background, like a more
classic beauty kind of setup
where Drew has like a huge
flower in her hair and she’s
posing very like sort of pin up
glamour style.
And that’s the first picture.
And then I think probably I
would say the most recognizable
image is Drew as a waitress on
the ground with a bunch of of
grapefruits with little cherries
on them.
And it’s supposed to kind of
evoke her boob that’s coming out
of her.
Waitress uniform and it’s so
cute.
It’s so cute.
And never seen another one from
the setup, which is kind of
insane, just this one.
And then we get Drew as the like
angry bride.
So in the first photo, she is in
white lingerie cutting a wedding
cake with it looks like her
groom is maybe dead on the
ground.
And then we get her like totally
ballistic.
She’s cut up the cake, going
wild, throwing it everywhere
right next to it.
So those are so fun.
And then the final one in the
issue is again, another red
background and she’s holding a
little airplane in front of her
eye and looks just like she’s up
to and sneaky and naughty.
Yeah, and all of these are like
high saturation, high contrast.
Like they are stunning and
unique.
Like they’re just incredible
pictures.
There have been some outtakes
from this shoot that have been
printed, quite a few in
magazines from all over the
world.
Like literally I feel like a lot
of the ones I have from these
are like German, German I.
Was just going to say.
That, That’s so funny.
Yeah.
Or like French, I don’t know.
There is a whole line of the
ones from the wedding setup,
which is so fun because it’s
like her like in process
destroying the cake, just
getting more and more kind of
punk rock about it.
There’s one that I feel like I
saw around on the Internet a lot
and was reprinted a lot where
she’s like, looks like she’s
behind bars.
Yes, that. 1 I feel like I’ve
seen she’s.
Topless, of course.
It was always on the Internet in
the 90s.
That’s true.
And then it now take with the
airplane where she’s kind of
holding it over like her or like
middle section and pointing up
like it’s hard to describe
these.
They’re I feel like they when I
look at these, I think of like
early images I saved from the
Internet.
It’s so.
Funny, that makes sense.
That totally tracks.
Cuz they were like very popular.
There’s also a lot of really
teeny tiny little outtakes on
his book LaChapelle Land.
The front and the back covers
are just full of like outtakes
of all the subjects from the
book.
You know, I still don’t have a
copy of that book.
Well, that shocks.
Me, I think I by the time I
started looking for it, it was
like getting really expensive
and I bet now it’s insane.
You know what’s crazy is that
when I pulled out my copy to do
these little scans, my receipt
was in there and I think I only
paid like $30.00 for it.
Oh my.
God, I know.
But yeah, these are like teeny
tiny.
But there’s one image of Drew in
the bride outfit but she’s in
front of like a floral
background.
Never seen anything else like
this.
Would love to see more.
She’s kind of like demure in a
totally different vibe from the
wedding cake one.
I also, I just had a thought, I
wonder if these are.
I mean, they’re probably just
regular outtakes, but I wonder
if they’re like Polaroids.
They might be.
They are kind of printed to look
that way.
Yeah, and like the quality of
them.
Those are so cool.
I remember obsessing over these.
Probably looking at your copy of
the book or scans of it or
something.
La Chapelle and I Know and some
other incredible outtakes that
we’ve had a chance to get a peek
at.
Our friend Jeremy has.
Oh my gosh, I think he got these
on eBay, I’m pretty sure.
And there’s like, I don’t know,
from what I believe.
I think they’re like 8 by 10.
And we’d never seen any of them
before until he got these so.
That’s so weird.
I wonder if like an agency
printed them or like did he get
them from SO?
Weird I I should have reached
out to him and asked him.
He might not know, though.
You lucky, Jeremy.
He has a lot of stuff that we
have it, yes, but he’s also a
great collector, so I appreciate
it and I love that for him.
And as long as he’s in our
network, then yeah, then it
feels okay.
It feels less like that.
My God, how is that not in the
Jerusalem?
OK, should we get into this
monster of an article?
Oh my God.
I know.
It’s funny.
It took me so long to do the
notes on this.
There was a lot of, like,
sidetracks I went down to.
There always is.
But yeah, this is great.
This article is called
Everything You Always Wanted to
Know About Drew Barrymore.
But we’re afraid to ask.
Which made me laugh because I’m
like, there’s nothing we’d be
afraid to ask.
Yeah, no way.
And we get the little headline
at the top.
The little byline, I guess.
It says anyone who can out queue
a latex puppet named ET emerge
from drug rehab, a teen heroin
and for movies like Bad Girls
with her career still intact
deserve some sort of metal and
all before she turned 20.
Now Drew Barrymore is poised to
lead Hollywood’s new power
generation into the next
Millennium.
Here she reveals all and we mean
all to Chris Heath in New York.
I kind of love that it’s like
poised to lead the next power
generation because I, I don’t
know that you would have known
that for sure at this time.
It still could have gone either
way with her career really
wasn’t until like 98 that I
think if she was like solidified
for.
Sure, yeah.
Biggest stars?
Yeah.
I mean, he was seeing it the
author.
That Chris Heath, we really
appreciate how he has a way with
words too.
Oh my gosh, his.
Artists are so good.
Yeah.
And he’s.
I love that they printed all of
this.
I don’t know.
Yes.
So the author, Chris Heath, he
starts by listing some of the
things that are going to happen
with Drew about the article.
So he’s kind of like giving you
a taste, including flashing,
crying, writing a poem and
laughing uncontrollably.
But we got to kind of start at
the beginning, right?
So it’s February 13th in 1995.
We love knowing dates like this.
Right.
I was like, thank you, Chris.
For telling us when.
We are.
Yeah, and he said Drew makes the
kind of bubbly headed, charming
mile a minute entrance she does
so well.
And they’re at a Midtown
Manhattan restaurant.
And she had just left her
boyfriend, Erik Erlandson, behind
at the hotel.
She’s 15 minutes late and Chris
doesn’t really mind, but he but
dressed to explain her tardiness
with a long story about ghosts
at their hotel.
This first paragraph of her
talking, the first quote, like
you guys are going to have to
join our Patreon to read it in
full.
There’s no way we could read
this whole thing.
It is like half a page.
Classic Drew.
Yes, So I’ll give a little
summary here.
So then we’ll give a little
piece of the quote.
So there’s some friendly ghosts
at the hotel and they apparently
bang on the pipes at 5:00 AM.
So they were like awake early in
the morning.
And this is the quote.
So Drew said the first night I
cried a little bit and I was
shaking and freaking out.
And finally I just left.
And the second night I remember
waking up and being, God, why
are you doing this to me?
And I couldn’t stop crying for
an hour and a half.
And Eric is rocking me back and
forth.
It’s OK, honey, it’s OK.
And I had to leave again.
You know, that just reminded me
of like Tom Green trying to calm
her down in a hotel after their
fire.
Like totally.
She doesn’t do well with hotel
rooms.
Maybe not.
And then she says in the morning
she woke up to some bad news and
she didn’t have the address for
their meeting spot.
So she said.
I ran upstairs and I’m fuck,
fuck, fuck, fuck.
Sometimes when I’m really
hectic, that’s the only word
that comes out in all sorts of
different tones.
Love.
So she also starts talking about
how the next day is Valentine’s
Day and it’s her eight-month
anniversary with Eric, which I
really love knowing that because
that gives us a perfect timeline
for their relationship, which
officially would have started
June 14th, 1994 during filming
of Mad Love, which we already
knew.
But I love having, you know, we
love a date.
Yeah, we do.
Plus, this night, Hole was going
to be recording their MTV
Unplugged.
So man, there’s just a lot going
on.
For their anniversary, she’d
bought Eric a portable 8 track
player, but for whatever reason,
he, she wouldn’t be able to give
it to him until they were back
in LA.
So she was kind of feeling like,
oh, I didn’t like do enough for
him.
And he’s been so stressed out
lately.
This is an interesting quote.
So she says, I’ll come home and
he’ll be 1,000,000 miles away
and he’ll say, hi, honey, how
was your day?
And I can say it was great.
We went on this trapeze and
poured honey all over our bodies
and let the bees eat it off.
And then all of the sudden and
got into these pointy metallic
disappearing lemon suits and did
backflips.
And he will be great.
That’s so cool.
How did she come up with that on
the fly?
That’s Drew’s brain.
That’s true, and Chris agrees
because he writes, welcome to
Drew Barrymore.
It will be like this for a
while.
So good, so good.
So good.
OK, so we get this reminder that
things are really going well for
Drew with boys on the side
performing well and the upcoming
releases of Mad Love and Batman
Forever.
Plus she’s in love.
Variety magazine had just
printed a story called Barrymore
in the Rise and this there’s a
quote from it.
It says the town has been
talking about how boys on the
side will turn Drew Barrymore
into a full-fledged star and New
Regency, taking no chances
she’ll go elsewhere, is close to
finalizing a deal to pay
Barrymore 3.5 million for for
her next film.
And Drew, this is like told like
it’s mentioned to her by Chris.
And she’s like, oh, God, did you
see that?
That made me nauseous.
As long as I can pay my rent and
buy Q-tips, I’m very happy.
Buy Q-tips.
I also really need Q-tips in my
life.
If I don’t have them, I’m not a
happy person.
She’s sort of anxious about the
public anticipation of what
she’ll do next, and she denies A
rumor that she recently met with
Francis Ford Coppola.
It’s not mentioned in the
article, but we know obviously
looking back that the next movie
she would do in reality would be
wishful thinking and everyone
says I love you Wish she felt
both of those from summer to
fall in 95 in New York.
And then soon after that she was
working quietly producing behind
the scenes on Scream and she
would film her scene in April
So there will be talk further on
in this article about what she’s
going to do next.
And it’s kind of neat to like
mention what she actually does.
Yeah, yeah.
And, you know, wishful thinking
she didn’t want to do.
But everyone says I love you was
like a big deal to her at the
time.
She’s since, you know, taken
that back a little bit and due
to the director but and scream
huge life altering for her.
So absolutely, it’s pretty neat
to see.
Yeah.
So as they’re hanging out, Drew
orders linguine with no garlic,
claiming that she’s allergic.
And I swear at some point she
admitted that she used to just
say that because she really
didn’t like it.
I’m pretty positive somewhere
along the line she admitted that
wasn’t.
Does she still not like it?
You know what’s funny?
Yes.
I’m like, every once in a while
it’ll come up on her show when
there’s like a cooking segment.
One time, finally, somebody was
like, I left your garlic out of
yours because I know you don’t
like it.
And she was like, oh, thank you.
But normally she’s kind of like,
sure, garlic.
But yeah, I don’t think she.
Likes how funny she I love
garlic.
She cares.
Me too.
Seems like something she would
love, but at this time she
compared it to tasting like the
bottom of a foot.
Thanks, Drew.
You don’t like the bottom of a
foot?
True.
That’s my.
Favorite flavor?
During this meal, she’s also
drinking Rolling Rock beer and
she says, quote, people always
say, are you sober?
And the truth of it is, compared
to most, yes, I am.
But am I in a very strict
program?
No, I’m not.
Familiar.
Funny how that hasn’t changed at
all in 30 years back in the
quote.
I live my life, and the truth
is, if I can have the capacity
to be in control of my life
rather than have other people
control it, I must be honest to
my heart and to everybody and
say I prefer that.
She shrugs and says I haven’t
taken a drug in eight years.
I haven’t done anything wrong.
So interesting.
I mean, now we know her
relationship with alcohol is
actually a lot more complicated
than she would have told us.
At this time, but.
Or maybe also Steven.
Yeah.
Or maybe.
That happened later on, maybe at
this time it still was like
totally chill.
So yeah, no judgement, just
interesting to know.
Yeah, she’s wearing a butterfly
belt buckle, which we’re
familiar with.
Oh.
Yeah, we know the one.
Yeah.
And her latest tattoo is the
butterfly on her belly.
She says that animals are a
passion of hers, No surprise.
She mentions working with the
Wildlife Way Station.
And she said tarantulas are the
exception to her love of
animals.
She mentions finding tarantula
in her bed while filming Bad
Girls.
No thanks.
I don’t mind bugs, but I don’t
really want any in my bed no
matter what it is.
In their later collab.
So when Drew was interviewed by
Chris again in 1997, and us,
Drew and Chris go to A roadside
attraction in Texas where she
touches 1 to get over her fear
of them.
Yeah.
And I love that you pointed out
that we just like watched this
newly surfaced interview from
Yeah, that’s just so interesting
to me that tarantulas came up in
this article and then that
happens and he doesn’t like,
refer back to this, which is
kind of funny.
I would have thought he would,
but yeah, it’s just a strange
little coincidence.
There was too much like
happening the day that he did
the day the the months he spent
writing this article, I can only
assume.
Yeah, no kidding.
How could he remember just the
tarantula when you know?
Good point.
So she talks about her love of
learning new words and they are
often given to her by her friend
John.
So just as John and quotes later
on in the article, this is going
to be confirmed to be John Rosen
and we can talk about that when
we get there.
So today’s words are
misanthropic somnambulism and
serendipity.
And her favorite word at this
time was further, which she also
mentions in Detour 98.
So great little consistency
there.
And she says to go further is
the most beautiful thing.
That’s what I strive for.
I love that.
I know.
So fun.
She shows Chris a Polaroid from
the photo shoot for this
magazine, the LaChapelle one,
and she shows him one where
she’s holding that 1990 Star
tabloid.
And David LaChapelle had
suggested to do that.
Like he said it was to do a
laughing kind of fuck you, ha
ha, ha kind of picture, which I
think it totally comes across.
It does, Yeah.
It’s so fun.
It’s like, oh, yeah, the
tabloids, like, talk shit about
me, but here I am.
Yeah.
Now I’m like, super successful
and back in your face.
Yeah, and she had totally
remembered that this headline
and, you know, versus what the
reality was, says she had been
dancing with drag Queens.
That’s all.
Sex orgy and drag queen show.
She draws sarcastically, really
similar.
But are you, are we surprised by
the tabloids in 1990?
No, we’re not.
Not at all.
Chris asks her what’s the worst
rumor she’s ever heard about
herself and how many times has
this come up?
Man, this really pissed her off.
It did.
I bet she would still say this.
So the rumor is that she had her
thing pierced down there.
She’s also called it her flower.
Instead of the telling Yes, She
even recounts that the story,
you know, came from the radio DJ
Rick DS and that he reported on
it even after her publicist had
told him in advance it wasn’t
true through and how that same
week it also came out supposedly
that she was dating Billy Idol.
And so she said, I thought this
is a really bad week.
I’ve not only got a Pierce clip,
but I’m dating Billy Idol.
What a combination.
And she goes on and on and on
about this in movie line 1994.
So if you want to listen to our
episode 89, there’s more on it.
But basically after the these
two rumors came out, she said
like, I’m not going out anymore.
And she basically didn’t go to a
single event in.
Oh, this.
This was the thing.
This was the thing.
Yeah, I knew it pissed her off a
lot, but I forgot there was like
the kind of cause to some extent
of her becoming a little bit
more of a homebody.
So there’s some obligatory
Barrymore family child actor
drinking and drugs story time
of.
Course.
Chris said it was too perfect.
This little sweet faced girl,
the next in line of one of
America’s great acting
dynasties, had taken the torch
and charmed the world.
I love that.
Totally.
Gets a little quick background
on how kind of messy her family
was, including her dad throwing
away his acting career on drugs.
They run through her post ET
career and her substance abuse
and recovery.
So stuff we’ve talked about a
lot.
We’re only like just kind of
like, I don’t know you guys.
If you guys want to know more
about that, there are so many
places to read.
If you want to read about her
substance abuse and recovery, go
to our Patreon and listen to us
do A Little Girl Lost.
Yeah.
The usual explanation of her
being unemployable after rehab
and her slow comeback with
Poison Ivy and gun crazy and
Chris says her second career
seemed to have started.
She was all over magazines, in
the center pages as the reborn
back from tragedy Hollywood
ingenue, and near the front as
the guest jeans girl.
I love this for a lot of
reasons.
Number one, we always talk about
the first Renaissance, which is
what that was #2.
We always talk about how at this
time she was just in magazines
constantly.
It was a really big part of her
comeback.
She was always in the magazines
and even if it was just like
inside and not on the cover
quite yet, like she she got a
lot of press.
You know, it would be really
interesting to like see her like
photo shoot schedule for like
that year.
Are you kidding me?
I mean, we would love that, but
like, I wonder how often she was
doing photo shoots.
It was probably every month, you
know?
Like, honestly, it might have
been.
That’s crazy.
OK, so at this point Drew goes
off about bad girls and I don’t
know if I can do the sound the
way that he wrote it, but it’s
something equivalent to are he
in it are sorry, that’s true.
Something like that.
He said that’s as close as he
can write it.
And she contorts her face with
cartoon anguish.
And she said that sound is an
onomatopoeia.
Bad girls.
All you can make is sounds.
That was just a terrible
situation that got so fucking
fucked up.
So she’s still, you know, a
little bit sensitive about this
topic and other topics that
like, I feel like she doesn’t
get as like, nitty gritty dirty
about.
But in this article, she sure
does.
You know, I’m like, oh, this is
a very different feeling.
So, you know, we go through how
the original director, her
friend Tamara Davis, had
basically like let Drew choose
her part in the movie when it
was going to be made by New
Line.
They were really like in it
together.
And then in the middle of
everything, it was bought by
Fox.
And they weren’t even sure if
they wanted Drew to stay on.
So Chris writes, though she
already had a contract, Drew had
to meet with seven different and
executives before they agreed to
reconfirm her casting.
And yeah, it’s crazy that we
haven’t covered bad girls yet,
but we’ve talked about it a lot.
It is really a big deal because
it was her first studio movie
since she was a kid.
And, like, it’s she wasn’t
trusted still, you know, it’s
just, you know, it just makes me
mad that they made her jump
through hoops because of her,
like, past.
Yeah.
Anyway, so then Tamra was
replaced and there’s an
interesting tidbit here where it
says it was supposedly after
some stirring by one of Drew’s
Co stars.
So I wonder, not trying to stir
rumors, but based on again,
going back to movie line 94, the
author asked her like tell me
about all your Co stars and she
pointedly leaves out saying
anything about Madeline Stowe,
right?
And she also wasn’t included in
the reunion on Drew’s show, so.
I think that maybe we might have
put some pieces together.
We cracked the code.
So after Tamara was replaced,
Drew offered to leave the movie
even if it resulted in a
lawsuit.
But Tamara insisted that she
stay on.
And luckily, Drew did end up
liking the new director,
Jonathan Kaplan.
But she still thinks the whole
movie ended up being a mess and
it made her really wary about
doing another female ensemble.
But she was committed to 1, yes.
So getting to the next female
ensemble and she was already
slated to do Boys on the Side,
which we also know that she
tried to get out of for a bit
because the director was like, I
want you for this role.
But that ended up being a
delightful shoot.
Drew says that her character in
Boys on the Side, Holly, was the
closest to the real her that
she’s ever played.
She said it was so great to play
such a geek.
It’s funny, when we did Movies
Made Us Gay recently, if you
guys haven’t heard that, we went
over there to talk about boys on
the side.
They were like, this just feels
like Drew.
She’s just being Drew.
And we’re like, yeah, this is
totally.
She definitely informed the
character and the character
informed her.
Yes.
Anyway, yeah, it makes sense
that he, like, only pictured her
for it because it’s just her.
Drew also says that even though
the film’s issues are
contemporary, the core of the
story about friendship is
timeless.
And she loves creating your own
family with your friends.
Classic Drew theme.
A classic drew theme.
It’s kind of funny because I’m
like, oh, and that also becomes
like a theme in Whip It, which
ended up being an incredible
female ensemble.
Like, I’m glad she got over
that.
Like we wouldn’t have Charlie’s
Angels and Whip It if she didn’t
want to do those anymore.
No.
Kidding.
Now we get to of course we’re
going to talk about the parents.
This always happens.
We love it though.
We love it.
It’s always juicy, he says.
We’ll get to mom later.
So we’re just talking about her
dad right now.
Do we love Drew’s quotes about
her dad?
Oh, yes.
So she says he’s off doing his
own thing.
That’s how he is.
Last I heard, he was down South.
Fuck, you know, it’s dad.
He hasn’t worn shoes in 40
years.
Both my parents have a thing for
freedom, and my father actually
has to live freedom.
He’s incredibly lonely, but he’s
on such a different wavelength
to everyone else that only alone
is he in his element.
I had to read that a couple
times.
Yeah.
I was like, only alone.
Is he in his element?
Oh, I get it.
Like yeah, he doesn’t relate to
anyone.
He only feels cool to himself if
he’s by himself.
She admits that she’s forgiven
him but not her mom at this time
because her dad had actually
apologized to her once.
So no apology for mom?
She shares a story that I didn’t
remember about meeting with her
dad at a bar when she was 14, so
those must be soon after little
girl lost and sharing a
cigarette with him, which she
questioned is that really cool
or really sick?
And I also don’t remember that
story.
And she says, and this is really
touching, she says, and in that
conversation, he grabbed me and
said, I want to tell you
something.
I want you to know that I love
you and that I’m truly sorry
that I’ve never been able to be
there for you and I probably
won’t ever be able to be there
for you, but that I never take
for granted how much I love you
and that you are my daughter.
And I was crying and I was like,
God, I’ve waited 14 years to
hear this.
And that made it all OK, which I
feel like she’s never shared
that story anywhere else that I
recall, but she has shared that
he she respected that he said, I
can’t be a dad.
So maybe this is the
conversation that she’s
referring to.
And you know, the bar is low for
him.
Guys.
I’m not saying like, oh, this is
so sweet.
Like he was a shithead father of
her, but at least she got
something.
Yeah, and I think that she was
at peace with what their
relationship was for a long
time.
Yeah, I think from this point
on, yeah.
But then she says she hasn’t
talked to him in about a year
and a half.
And she says he used to leave me
messages on my voicemail.
I think that’s perfect for him
because that’s all he wants to
do, just ramble and be able to
hang up.
One of the last ones was
daughter, it’s father.
I’m glad to see your marriage
lasted as long as your mother.
And eyes click.
And then Drew laughs.
Oh my God.
What a marriage between her
parents is very confusing.
Very confusing.
We’ve talked, we don’t get it at
all.
We don’t think they were married
before Drew was born and there
is a weird document that shows
that they were married in like
It’s some weird time.
I feel like it’s like, yeah, I
feel like it’s after ET or like
after it was filmed at least.
I think so because I think we
kind of were like to Jaid
convince him to do this so she
could use his last name.
That’s.
My that’s what I think happened.
And I don’t think Drew has a
clue about any of it.
I would love to talk to her
about that.
Probably blow her mind.
Oh my God would love it.
OK, so we have some more talk
that just has to happen because
this is such recent news.
So she had a quickie marriage
that we was just mentioned to
Jeremy Thomas and just a quick
summary for those who don’t know
a 19 year old Drew married a
much older Welsh bar owner spur
the moment in the middle of the
night and later revealed it was
to get him a green card.
Drew is so mad at him in this
article.
Is that what she?
Was yeah, this is another one of
the things where she’s like
getting into it and fired.
Up.
She really seems like she hates
him.
Drew says that the incident
taught her how judgmental the
world was and also that she
lives her life in a fishbowl.
She said Even if I get married
at 5:30 in the morning in a
secret location, a bar with only
three or four people there,
nothing I’m ever going to do in
this world is going to be
private.
I love your comment here.
Yeah, So I’m just so curious,
did the story get out somehow or
she knew it was coming out
because she ends up sharing, you
know, details and the photos
with People magazine.
Like, was she trying to get
ahead of it?
Because it was just like there
was no getting around.
I wouldn’t be surprised if,
like, her publicist was like,
yeah, we need to just get it,
like, do something.
How soon after the wedding did
the magazine come out?
I’m trying to remember.
That’s a great question.
Let me see what the issue.
Is.
I feel like we have looked this
up and I don’t.
Remember, so the, the wedding
wedding, if you can even call it
that was March 20th and then the
issue is dated April 11th, so it
would have come out a week
earlier.
I can’t imagine they do their
magazines too far in advance cuz
they’re a weekly magazine.
So yeah, it could be that, I
don’t know.
It’s.
Really interesting.
Yeah, I’d love.
To know.
Yeah, Drew calls Jeremy Mr. X
because she hates him too much
to say his name.
She said there’s no word
eloquently crappy enough for
this gentleman, if you could
ever call him that.
She shares that they’ve been
dating for just a few weeks but
had known each other for years.
She said it’s amazing how you
can think you know someone and
you have no clue.
In a nutshell, marrying him was
like opening Pandora’s box.
She remains evasive about this,
their reason for marrying, but
admits that they never live
together.
And she was back filming Boys on
the Side in Arizona, like
immediately after the wedding.
So they really didn’t even,
like, spend any time together.
And again, we’ve we’ve known
since after the fact that it was
for a green card, but she’s not
addressing it here.
When she returned from filming
in Arizona, she told him that it
was over.
But in the meantime, she was
already scheduled to appear on
The Tonight Show with Jay Leno
and basically chat about how
great marriage was.
And she says in the article, oh,
my God, you saw that?
I think that was probably one of
the most painful moments in my
life.
Jay Leno asked me, are you
happy?
And if you got a videotape of
it, you can probably look at me
and see me look down at the
floor as I say yes.
And I’ve definitely talked about
this appearance on the podcast
and how incredibly uncomfortable
she seems.
Like there’s one part actually,
she’s talking about the piercing
rumor again.
And she says like, my husband
wouldn’t even let me do that.
And then she looks like, why did
I just say that?
And she’s like, she just looks
uncomfortable.
Yeah, it’s, it’s really sad.
And you know when she says if
you have a videotape of it, I’m
like, well, it’s on YouTube,
guys, so.
There’s a videotape, a link.
To it, yeah.
And she describes this period of
being untrue to herself as the
most painful thing, and says
that her heart was beating
slower every day.
That description.
The only time in her life that
she’s ever said that she did
something that wasn’t true to
herself, right?
Yeah, she’s and she’s said it
since.
Again.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
So she’s asked by Chris if
Jeremy ever loved her, and she
replies.
To be quite honest, I don’t
think he knows anything.
He’s an incredibly shallow,
selfish person, and he’s one of
those people who sees everything
in black and white.
Not even as friends could we
ever have got along, considering
that he sees things in black and
white.
And I see the world as a rainbow
full of color and of different
dimensions.
Like how did you even end up
dating this guy?
It’s.
Weird.
But she admits that the split
has been beyond nasty.
And it doesn’t say this in here,
but, you know, he ended up
selling, like, photos and
letters from her to tabloids.
Like, that might even have
happened after this.
So yeah, nasty for sure.
And apparently he tried to sue
her.
And then she says it was finally
settled months later.
So I, I just want to give the
like factual timeline from
actual like doc documents that
we know of.
So the wedding again was March
She filed for divorce on May
finalized until April 28th,
And Rolling Stone 95 like picks
up like the day after she was
finally like, yes, I’m free.
So it was a whole long ass
process.
Also, that’s interesting that
it’s like.
Took that long?
Yeah, I mean, I feel like I know
that.
Like I know that that divorces
finalization is like a whole
thing.
Well, especially when one
persons like a loser who’s
trying to sue a like super
famous person like yeah.
No kidding.
So she ended up signing her
divorce papers on the beach in
Hawaii with her girlfriends.
She said I’m sitting there with
a frothy beverage in one hand
and divorce papers in the other.
Prior to signing them, she
walked along the beach, cried,
and then jumped into the ocean
telling herself, these tears are
going to wash my eyes and this
water is going to wash my body
and my hair and my mind and my
soul and everything’s going to
be OK.
I feel like that would be like a
perfect ending to some of the
articles about her.
Like it’s so, it’s so true and
everything.
‘S going to be OK.
Yeah, yeah, totally.
So they wrap up their meal
because Drew has to head to a
toy fair for Batman because it
says she will see a life-size
projection of the sugar toy.
Well, let me just say the
vindication that I felt when I
read that line because when we
covered Batman Forever, which is
a really fun episode.
I know you guys might think like
she’s not in that movie that
much.
I love that episode of ours, but
I think I must have talked about
it there.
When I first got eBay in 1999, I
remember being in my college
dorm room and everyday I would
search for sugar action figure
or sugar toy because I was
convinced that it.
Existed.
And then like when we when we
were talking about it, I’m like,
where?
And I get that idea.
Like, that’s so goofy that I
thought that, well, it was a
real thing.
Yeah.
And I really, I’m so curious if
this if was there a life-size
projection like it sounds.
Like it because she she tells
Chris I want I’m so.
Curious.
I mean, I’ll read a little bit
more, but I’m so curious if
there’s like a picture somewhere
of this projection like
somebody.
Of the design, someone’s got to
have it.
I’ve never ever, ever seen it
mentioned.
It’s in an archive somewhere.
And I like follow some of the
like Batman and forever has some
serious.
Huge fans.
Yeah, and I’ve never seen this
come up, so I didn’t.
I didn’t imagine it.
It was going to happen, but it
just didn’t.
Well, it’s too bad.
It would have been so cute.
Yep.
So after seeing this projection
of the sugar toy, Drew tells
Chris little girls will probably
think it’s cute and little boys
will probably be her.
By which she means to convey
attraction, not repulsion.
Because she’s probably in a sexy
lingerie, yeah.
I mean, sugar is pretty hot, she
says.
This Batman has a lot of
sexiness and says Val Kilmer is
one of those people you can run
off in the corner with and smoke
cigarettes.
Does that make him extra sexy?
Extra cool.
I guess according to her.
Crazy, sexy, cool.
Two days later they meet up
again, a bar that Drew likes
because it has darts, which she
likes playing even though she
doesn’t know the rules, she
says.
I just drink and play and try
not to hit someone.
Same.
I’m also bad at it.
Yeah, I’m horrible at it, but it
is fun.
But it’s fun when you actually
hit the board, yeah.
Prior to meeting up, she called
her friend John for some new
words to perk her up.
Because she’s like, I need some
energy give.
Me some words he gave her,
effervescent, vivacious and
vicariously.
Can I just interrupt to say
effervescent has been one of my
favorite words since I was in
high school way before I read
this article.
And like I always like, I’m
like, oh, Drew and I like the
same word.
It just means like bubbly and
you know it’s.
Such a good word, I feel like it
sounds like what it is.
Yeah, somehow.
So you love it?
Probably.
Drew says that another word
she’s into right now is
osculate, which means kiss is
not really a pretty word.
I’m sorry.
No, I agree.
She said me and Eric were
osculating the death out of each
other last night.
Oh, man.
OK, so she says she’s decided on
what her next film will be.
But spoiler, this is going to be
another lost project that never
came to be that we’re going to
get into.
So before she made that
decision, she first watched a
screen test of herself for a
film called the Honest
Courtesan.
But she thinks that she’s too
young for that part.
The plot synopsis of that if
anyone’s curious, because it’s
always fun to know these like
what could have been projects
for her it’s it was based on a
book and it’s about a courtesan
in 16th century Venice who
becomes a hero to her city but
later becomes the target of an
inquisition by the church for
witchcraft.
Whoa, whoa, Can you imagine?
It did end up being made into a
movie in that was released in
Beauty and the actress was
Catherine McCormick, who is only
three years older than Drew.
But I don’t know, maybe she just
didn’t feel she could pull it
off.
It’s kind of interesting that
she ended up doing such a period
piece two years after this with
Ever After, but.
Yeah.
Wasn’t wasn’t the right move for
her.
So instead she’s decided that
she’s going to move forward with
the new project alongside Tamra
Davis called Sorrow floats.
So again, this is one of those
things that I’ve never seen
anywhere else, but this article
was so cool to learn about this.
So she said quote.
We were screaming on the phone
today.
Both of us hate the norm and
just want to do what we want to
do.
Fuck money, fuck politics, fuck
Hollywood.
Which is kind of funny because
obviously the project doesn’t
happen.
And so they they feel feel this
way, rightfully so.
The synopsis of this is a messed
up alcoholic young mother
travels across America with two
misfits.
She says, I’m going to be
branded queen of the road movie.
Every movie I’ve ever done is a
road movie.
It’s really like boys on the
side of Mad Love, but they have
been like boom, boom.
So this is kind of crazy.
So it is based on a novel by Tim
Sandlin, and it’s the sequel to
his novel Skipped Parts, which
is the movie that Drew did end
up doing with Tamara, you know,
Drew in a much smaller capacity.
So I found this other weird
little article that said that
for a while, Tamara and Drew
were trying to procure the
rights to 1992 Sorrow Floats,
which follows the character of
Maury, who’s played in Skip
Parts by Mischa Barton, eight
years after the events of Skip
Parts.
And this is crazy.
Tamara had intended it as a
vehicle for Drew and Chris
Farley.
Whoa, I know.
But the rights were owned by Tom
Arnold at this time.
So weird.
And then there did end up being
a film based on that novel.
I guess it ended up being like
much more dramatic and not the
comedy that it was.
And it was on Showtime in 1998,
and it was called Floating Away
with Rosanna Arquette in the
lead.
So just weird.
Whoa.
So much information that I was
like, all of this is new to me.
Yeah.
Like Drew and Chris Farley in Oh
my gosh.
It’s just, yeah.
And she was like, going forward
with this project at this time,
like, I would almost maybe even
say she was somewhat producing
it, you know?
Yeah, all these lost parts,
skipped parts, all the skipped
parts.
Drew and Chris play more darts.
And then Drew’s business partner
and general life arranger, as he
calls her Kim Greitzer, joins
them.
I love life, arranger.
That kind of could have been
Chris Miller’s title for a
really long time.
Yeah, Drew wins the game and
gives a victory speech.
Yes, thank you.
Woo.
I won the second game.
That’s my lucky number.
You know how I feel.
Capital.
Maybe because Chris is a
British, maybe she was like
picking up on some of his little
little things he’d say.
Two fans approach with a copy of
Drew’s issue of Playboy to have
her sign it.
So random.
Also, it was kind of funny that
the guy pointed out like this is
very strange as it came out
months ago.
I wouldn’t be like Chris.
These are still everywhere all
these years later.
Yes, totally.
One of the fans that approaches
tells her how sweet she was in
Boys on the Side and Drew
replies that she thinks it was a
nice representation of women.
Playboy had apparently been
trying to get her to post for
years, even sending her flowers.
She always knew it would happen
one day.
That’s kind of an interesting
like side note about that.
I don’t think that was included
when we covered Playboy because
we really talked more about how
that came to be more than
obviously the article is almost
nonexistent for that magazine,
of course, but I don’t think we
knew that.
And I’m like, whenever I
transcribe something, I’m like,
that could have been included in
the episode we already did.
But it happens we.
Can’t include everything.
We can’t include everything.
It’s impossible.
Drew tells Chris that she
doesn’t think that Playboy was
an exploitation.
She says.
The truth is that I’m incredibly
comfortable in my skin.
I’ve grown more and more
comfortable in it and I’m at the
point now where I could live my
life stark raving naked and I
wouldn’t care.
Pretty much did.
Kind of, yeah.
At that time, Chris asks if
she’s creeped out by the
readers.
But she of of Playboy, and she
doesn’t let herself get there or
to get freaked out.
She thinks that doing Playboy
was a fun, interesting, daring,
controversial adventure.
It almost feels like Chris is
kind of be like, come on, it
wasn’t that gross.
Don’t you wish you hadn’t done
that?
She’s like, no, I love it.
She’s like, I want people to
look at me.
Courtney Love, I guess told
Eric, There’s something about
you, this is funny.
Start over.
Courtney Love apparently told
Eric.
There’s something about your
fucking white trash core that
loves the fact that your
girlfriend’s on the cover of
Playboy.
I guess that was their all time
favorite comment about Playboy.
Oh my God, I love out there like
her and Eric combined.
Oh my gosh, that is so classic.
I actually sent a picture of
that to the girl that runs Fuck
Yeah Courtney Love on Instagram
and she loved it.
She thought it was so great
she’d never seen like this is
this magazine has like hidden
gems that I’m so glad we’re
bringing to the surface.
Yep, Yep.
OK, so the article now switches
and starts talking about Drew
filming Mad Love in Seattle soon
after her marriage ended.
She said it was a scary prospect
after actually being in a
hospital herself as a 13 year
old.
She said.
When I read the script it made
me cry because I felt so much
for this girl, because I
understood her so well.
I know that not many young
actresses have been through
that.
I knew I had the experience to
pull from and make it fucking
real rather than a Sturm ung drum
schmaltzy, crazy, weird movie,
which is kind of a crazy, weird
movie, but she plays a real and
it’s an amazing performance.
Yeah.
She goes on to say she knew how
to play mad very well because
when she was in treatment at
ASAP, there were also mentally
unwell adults there.
And we have really like, we know
exactly where she was for
treatment.
It’s not what she thinks it is.
If you want the details, go to
Patreon and listen to Little
Girl Lost.
Like we really.
We dug.
Deep into this, but she said I
couldn’t understand why I was in
a place where you couldn’t go
outside and if you dared to try
you’d be shut in a 4×4 room with
no windows.
So this whole section here is
another part where I’m like,
whoa.
Like she’s talking about
something with a lot more like
anger and bitterness than she
would now.
Like now she’s like, oh, it was
the only thing my mom could do
and it was save my life.
And I’m glad she feels that way
now.
But in 1995, she’s still like.
She was.
Traumatized by this?
And it’s only like really
realistically, it’s only a few
years after.
It’s kind of crazy.
I know.
So she explains that this like
being shut in a room with no
windows happened to her
repeatedly, and then that would
just make her act out more and
then she’d get in more trouble.
It was the cycle.
She doesn’t really get into
that.
Got in little girl lost so much.
We’ve only learned that sort of
after the fact that she was a
real troublemaker.
I mean, I guess it does say like
it does talk about that, like
probation or whatever.
It was like more times than
anyone else in history or
something.
Yeah.
Chris is definitely like through
this whole section, just like,
whoa, are you kidding me?
Are you serious?
Like, how are you even still
sane?
And she says at this one moment
when I’d been there about 6
months, I remember looking out
of a caged window and being
like, Oh my God, it’s just a
decision you have to make right
now because I felt I was slowly
dying.
And otherwise you could either
let yourself be slowly crushed
or just go as introverted as you
can and end up like one of those
adults in there forever.
And I chose life and from that
moment.
On until this very day, I fight
for it in the most happy,
gleeful, grateful, cherishable
ways.
And every day of my life, the
minute I wake up, I open those
doors and the fresh air comes
in.
I have bad days, but not a day
goes by when I don’t look up at
the sky and just go, Hi, how you
doing?
I get to be under you today.
Thank you.
So this is like when people were
making fun of her for finding a
window hidden in her apartment
walls and crying.
I was like, you knew this.
This is why.
This is why. 100%.
Up and couldn’t go outside and
look at the sky.
Yes.
Sorry, big feelings.
No, it’s OK.
And I love that long quote, too.
She says that the hardest scene
to film in Mad Love was when her
character was restrained in the
hospital, and she said the
studio actually had to cut it
down a lot because it was like
too much.
It’s already so upsetting that
seems like very hard to watch.
Yeah.
And she said I had to kick
everyone out of the room because
it was so hard to get back into
that because I’ve been there and
I tried to hold back in the
scene and stop myself from
crying.
And she starts kind of sobbing a
little bit while they’re
talking, she says, because it
was so close to home.
But then I felt like I’d got to
use one of the scariest things
in my life for something
productive.
And somewhat the pain had been
lifted.
And not only the pain, but the
fear.
That’s interesting.
She was almost like exercising
with that.
Like, yeah, it also, just, like,
makes me think about how she
said, like, she’s gone through
her whole life, like, worried
that she’s doing something bad
and that someone’s going to come
take her away.
It’s like, yeah, no wonder she.
Feels that way, but.
Can you imagine a 13 year old
going through this?
No, Chris is pretty horrified by
all this and wants to know why
she would have been punished
that way.
And she says it could be as
little as not wanting to take
her vitamins and throwing them.
Yeah, and it said like, and then
five guys would be on top of her
to restrain her.
Jesus, It’s.
A lot.
Chris wonders if Jaid thinks she
did the right thing by putting
Drew in there, and Drew firmly
replies it wasn’t nobody.
Deserves that nobody.
That was the one where I was
like oh shit.
Like she is not grateful for
that at this time in her life.
She is like that was messed up.
And then she goes on to say that
it broke her spirit and her
appreciation for life was only
enhanced by doing that for her,
for herself.
Like she kind of says, like I
had to like push for it and want
it.
Broke her spirit.
I mean her.
She found her spirit back, I
think.
I know, I know.
Still, it’s you’re right Spoiler
it all turned out OK, but.
God, thankfully she’s got a
spirit again.
Drew and Jaid haven’t seen each
other in two years, Drew said.
The last time was while Drew was
in the middle of packing for a
move.
Jaid said she’d call Drew later,
and she says then they just
stared at each other and that
was it.
It’s become a sort of a Mexican
standoff.
We both made a lot of mistakes,
a lot of big ones that I think
severely damaged each other.
The truth is that my mother and
I have played this really
bizarre relationship with each
other.
I’ve not only been the child,
but I’ve also been more of the
mother than she has.
And I took care of her growing
up as much as she took care of
me.
And it just came to the point
where I had to be cut off for a
time.
She said they don’t even have
each other’s phone numbers.
At that time, Drew had tried to
track her down for New Year’s
Eve, just to say hi, I love you,
but couldn’t find her like that.
Feels like Drew seems to think,
though, that they will soon
apologize to each other.
Like, things are still to this
day, quite complicated. 31 years
later.
Yeah, wow.
I know it’s just never going to
be a relationship that works.
It kind of.
I don’t.
Want to say never.
I somehow feel like.
I was just about to backtrack on
that because to me, Moore, I
told you when I read her memoir,
there were a lot of things that
she had in common with Drew and
the way she was raised and how
her mom treated things and did a
lot of things that are messed
up.
But then when her mom got sick
to me took care of her kind of
like Drew did with her dad and
was things were able to be
healed.
So, you know, maybe it won’t be
for until the end of the road.
I was just.
Gonna say maybe it’s when Jaid’s
on her deathbed that they can.
I don’t know.
There’s just so much there.
Yeah.
So much.
OK, let’s go on to some lighter
things.
You guys are going to like this
if you’re into the mid 90s like
I am.
So Drew invites Chris and his
girlfriend to go with her and
Kim to see Hole at the Roseland
Ballroom.
And I found a flyer for this
which I found that was really
cool.
That was cool.
Like, there was a great website,
I think it’s called Hole
archive.com, and they have like
every tour date and like,
pictures from it and the setlist
and Flyers from it.
Like, love is beautiful,
beautiful.
Totally our jam.
So at the show, they were
hanging out at the bar before
and Drew’s approached by a bunch
of fans, including a pushy
teenage boy who comes up holding
a pad of paper and asks her to
draw a pair of breasts for
something like a Zine.
It’s unclear.
Weird.
So she asks, why can’t I draw a
Dick?
And the guy says, Oh, well, the
first edition is a tit book.
So Drew does it.
And then she, like, instantly
regrets it.
And she says, that was the
weirdest.
I’ve never been asked to do
that.
She looks annoyed.
And she says, I’m really mad I
did that because I didn’t like
him.
But like, I’m not surprised she
did it.
She’s so nice and not giving up
herself.
But yeah, she’s probably like,
what the fuck?
Why did?
Why did I get free to this?
Yeah.
So during the show they stand on
the side of the stage and during
it Drew takes Chris’s notebook
and she draws a heart and writes
D plus E inside of it with the
word sweet sweet.
I’m like, Oh my God, she was so
head over heels for Eric.
Yeah.
And then she feels like she has
to get this poem out of her, so
she fills a whole other page
with a poem that she signs with
a heart.
And the poem is love.
Love, I love.
Love.
Love love love life always true
pure need want.
I wish I wish with eyes closed
and heart open.
True prayer, hope for love.
It’s what makes us feel
immortal.
And poo is good.
What I thank God I love.
So like lovely hippie feel
immortal and poo is good.
And then just to continue with
these Drewisms, they move to the
other side of the stage that
they can be closer to Eric.
And she says, I’m sorry, I don’t
even know if I can read this
about laughing, OK, she says.
Just.
Watching it, I got this, I got
this.
She says he’s a kangaroo and she
says he’s a kangaroo and I’m the
baby who wants to hide in this
pouch.
True, we’ve got a bad girl.
That is so funny.
I also remember, though, when
she was on Rosie one of the five
or six times and they she was
like, oh, I could get even
weirder with you.
Like I, you know, I love you.
And she goes, I could be like, I
just want to crawl inside your
suit and live there.
It reminds me of this.
I do remember that.
Oh my gosh.
OK, She just wants to be his
little Joey.
So a hysterical and sweaty fan
is carried backstage, and this
girl’s, like, freaking out.
But all of a sudden she sees
Drew, and she gets, like,
excited and cheery and she says
hi, Drew.
And then she goes back to being,
like, hysterical.
Like, it’s such a funny thing to
include.
But like, yes, that’s the effect
she has on people.
Yeah.
They chat with Donovan Leitch and
Zoe Cassavetes, which I thought
was cool because they’re like,
in the Ione Sky universe.
Yeah.
You know, they like, we’re
always like, right by each
other, but not really.
And so they chat about Greece.
And that was where Drew had gone
on her infamous cruise with her
friend Mel when she dropped,
jumped off the ship.
Yep.
And Drew says she loves the
people there in Greece.
And she’s like at a loss for how
to describe them.
So instead, she opens her top
and flashes everyone.
And she shrugs and says, well,
everyone’s seen them.
Why hide them?
So there’s our our like,
inevitable 95 flashing.
I feel like she’s like punchy in
this, in this article in a way
that is like not it’s the norm
but not the norm.
Like it’s like more, maybe we’re
just seeing more of it, or maybe
that she’s writing more of it.
She’s got a little more like
attitude, Yeah.
Badassery.
Yeah, I would agree.
She’s not.
I mean, she’s of course her
sweet, beautiful, wonderful
self, but she’s a little more
like got a little more edge to.
Her Yeah, like a like a edge is
the right word.
Yeah.
So now we’re at the Drew is In
Love with Eric Erlandson section.
In case you didn’t gather that
already from the kangaroo
comment.
Yes.
So this is told in three parts
because they’re meeting and
relationship kind of happened in
this funny way.
We’ve talked about this before
too.
Again, very validating.
I’m like yes check check check.
This matches all previous
research.
And this is like something that,
like, you found other things
through side quests and previous
episodes.
Yeah.
Or other things.
So Part 1 late 1993 at venue
Jabber Jaw in a rough part of
East LA.
It’s hot and claustrophobic
inside and Drew felt at any
moment she either see her power
animal or throw up.
I like that.
It ended up being the latter
after she barely made it
outside.
Pretty soon after, there was a
hand on her shoulder and she
tried to shoot the guy away and
he wanted to stand there to make
sure she was OK in this
dangerous neighborhood.
So pretty gentleman Lee right
away.
Yeah, she was embarrassed but he
told her not to be as it’s just
something people do.
And then she puked on his shoes.
This is the famous thing.
And he asked if she’d eaten
pasta.
It was actually macaroni and
cheese of course.
And they talked for about 1/2 an
hour.
And at the end she grabbed him
and said I want to tell you
something.
I hope I find you again someday.
Because if I say thank you now,
it won’t mean the thorough
extent of how much I really mean
it.
Because no one’s ever that kind
of open and UN grossed out and
sweet.
Yeah, it’s really sweet.
I sometimes struggle, like in my
old age when I think about their
age gap.
Like at this point she was 18
and he’s like 33 or something.
Yeah, it’s a little weird, I
know.
I’m not trying to make like, oh,
well, she’s an old soul and
she’d lived a crazy life, so it
doesn’t count.
But there’s something about Drew
years that it just doesn’t feel
the same most of the time.
Some of them I still am
absolutely opposed to.
And I think the fact that she’s
at least of age helps.
Yeah I know that’s a sick thing
too to be like at least cuz we
get.
Really.
She’s 18.
And she is a younger teen and
yeah, you know.
And it’s also like that’s if
it’s like weirdly normalized in
I do not agree with it and I’m
not saying it’s OK, but it it
wasn’t unusual back then.
Like his age is never mentioned
in this article.
It was just a good point.
Fine.
Yeah.
It’s just weird.
OK, so Part 2.
Two weeks later, Drew was
supposed to meet photographer
Ellen Von Unworth, her friend,
at the Ma Maison Hotel.
So she knocks on the hotel room
door, but she was given the
wrong room number.
The door opens and it’s Eric.
And again, through former
research, again through fuck
yeah.
Courtney Love.
She helped me a lot.
So Hole is in town at this time
in LA to shoot the Live Through
This album art with Ellen Von
Unworth.
So makes sense they would have
had hotel rooms by each other.
And there’s a Polaroid of
Courtney from the shoot by
Ellen’s photo assistant.
And it was dated as December 19,
So that’s kind of I still, I’m
trying so hard.
I did it again last night trying
to find the exact date of the
show at Jabberjaw because we
know it was That Dog.
And then another band called
Charlie Brown Superstar.
And I just no one has it like
recorded anywhere.
I found like pictures even from
it, but they were like, it was
like 93 or 94.
Like they didn’t have the exact
yes.
So we’re just going to say like
November, December 1993 was that
show and one day I will find the
proof.
Yes.
So anyway, OK, back to the
story.
So the door opens and Drew
shocked to see Eric and he calls
her macaroni and cheese girl,
which is pretty funny and she is
macaroni and cheese girl.
So she kissed him and thanked
him and they made plans like can
we meet later this tonight?
But Eric ended up having to fly
back to Seattle.
So Drew now Chris writes, Drew
has now realized she has a huge
crush on him, but she doesn’t
intend to pursue it.
She said, because I didn’t think
he would like me because I threw
up on his shoes.
And then Chris writes, soon she
is married to someone else.
So it’s fascinating.
Yeah.
I think it took us a long time
to put the pieces together and
realize she meets Eric twice,
then she has her marriage, and
then they actually start dating
soon after.
Yeah, I think it still is like
confusing in my mind, but I know
the timelines right?
Like.
Yeah, so much used to happen in
her life, like every day back
then.
Yeah, totally.
And we and we knew about it.
No, I’m just kidding.
Yeah.
OK so Part 3 Drew’s in Seattle
filming Mad Love and is at A7
Year Bitch concert when someone
whispers in her in her ear
eating macaroni and cheese
lately.
They make some loose plans but
after she postpones one night he
sends her an eloquent and funny
facts that motivates her to make
plans to have coffee together
the next day.
I would love to see this fax.
I was going to say, do you think
she has this in a journal
somewhere?
Oh I would love anything.
She kept it.
That would be so cool.
And they had coffee the next
day, which lasted 9 hours, she
says.
And Drew moved in with him soon
after.
So it was a pretty quick, you
know, kind of wild.
I do want to say like their
first date.
There’s a long story about that
in Movie Line 1995, so I guess
I’m going to link to that one
too.
And it tells more about like,
their first kiss and all that.
Yeah.
Very romantic.
Drew tells Chris that the other
morning they were in bed so
happy about how they’re both
geeks and she says I swear to
God I am like throw up in love.
She definitely I feel like went
harder for him like in the press
than maybe any other
relationship where she just like
gushed about him all the time.
I was going to try to like
speculate as to why, but it
could be.
Because it was her first.
Like, I mean, I know Jamie
Walters was kind of her first
real serious love and
heartbreak, but they also only
dated for like 3, three months
or something.
I don’t know.
It was like a really short time
and I guess.
It really that short?
No, I guess it was longer than
that, but it wasn’t very long,
you know?
And she was 17.
OK, now she’s only 19, But I
don’t know.
I think it was more like, no,
this is the real first love
feeling, you know?
Like, I thought that was love.
This is really love.
So cute.
Yeah.
OK.
So we’re back at the whole
concert.
The show’s over, and a lot more
people are approaching Drew.
She spits out her gum and admits
Lily was such a spitter in Bad
Girls.
It finally enabled me to spit
whatever I want.
She randomly starts talking
about wearing braces.
She says from ages 9 to 14 and I
like was like Drew come on girl.
Like she would have braces on in
like 86 and then they’d be gone
again.
Like they never seem to stay on
her teeth for any meaningful
length of time.
Based on photos, I wouldn’t be
surprised if like.
Filming.
They were just like, yeah.
And like, based on the fact that
we know Jaid made her wear a
little like flipper when she’d
lose her teeth, like obviously
people cared about that back
then.
It’s so sorry.
So she tells this great story.
This was one of the only things
I had totally remembered.
She tells this great story about
kissing a boy who was also
wearing braces in the Haunted
Mansion at Disneyland and their
teeth locking together.
In like 1 of the little like
bugs.
Buggies, A dune buggy, braces,
locking kiss.
I will lower it for you.
She also admits this is kind of
fun, that she once kissed New
Kids on the Block member Jordan
Knight while he was wearing
braces and a Whitney Houston
song played in the background.
Wow.
Like where and when did that
happen?
No kidding.
So Chris has to head home and
Drew’s disappointed as she
wanted to take him to a
burlesque bar called the Blue
Angel.
If that sounds familiar to any
of you, you might know what’s
coming.
Happy.
Dot booty.
Happy The following week, it
hits the news that Drew stripped
down on stage at the Blue Angel
with the help of Eric during an
annoyed comedian set.
Drew tells Chris the truth,
which was that the comedian was
her word friend Jon, who was in
on it.
So Jon Rosen, she said it was
really fun and totally free and
we didn’t think some spontaneous
move of normal people would ever
make headlines, but of course it
did.
Chris exasperating Lisa tells
her, Drew, you must know by now
if you get married in LA, take
your clothes off in New York,
People notice these things to
which Drew applies that she
thinks she does these things so
discreetly.
But you’re Drew.
I mean that this.
She.
Still, I think does.
I mean, I think she knows who
she is.
She knows she’s a household
name, a household face.
At this point, at this point, at
the point in 1995, she did not
understand.
I mean, even Tony Crago, her
former assistant, told us.
Does she know?
She does she know who, that
she’s Drew Barrymore?
No, not really, which is
probably part part of why we
love her, right?
She’s not like a Jennifer Lopez,
Like, everybody.
Do you know who I am?
Like, that’s just not her ego.
We’ll never let her be that way.
But yeah, it’s just so funny
that she thinks like anything
she ever does is not going to
hit the headline.
I mean, also, I mean, she’s
saying this at at this time like
this is before social media.
This is before.
I mean, we don’t have photos of
this incident like we would now.
It’s just people’s.
Word, you know?
And so tabloids would run with
the little word of a whisper of
somebody who saw something.
But they were pretty much right
this time.
Yeah, yeah.
OK, so it’s a few weeks later,
it’s like March 95, and they
speak briefly.
Drew shares that Sorrow Floats,
the film that she was making
with Tamara, has been pushed to
autumn.
And she says development makes
me sick.
And she’s also reading scripts
and just saying no to
everything.
And she’s really missing Eric
because Hole is in Europe.
And she’s writing a short story
which she describes as being
about two children who are
amalgamated into one spirit that
they share and the way they have
adventures and this incredible
purpose on this earth.
And she admits it’s totally
cosmic and she’s a total hippie.
I was just going to say, like
what?
Drew, where’s that short story,
by the way?
Oh, my gosh.
It’s kind of fun.
She shares with Chris in the US
The short story that we know was
like, based on being at the Ward
family house as a child.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
That just hit me.
That’s kind of neat.
Good memory.
How many short stories does she
have?
I bet you so many.
So many, I’m sure.
Just that journal that has her
facts from Eric probably has
like 10 alone in it.
At least so soon after, in April
of 1995, they talk again after
she makes headlines again over a
flashing Letterman.
Kind of love the idea that he’s
like, OK, I’m done with my
story, I’m going to be turning
this into premiere soon.
To the editor, he’s like, shit,
she did something else.
I got to talk to her about this.
Now I got to talk to her.
I got to, I got to make sure it
has the most recent that Drew
Barrymore did.
But it’s it’s almost like how
the movie line 94 article, like
the cover said, love sucks.
And by the time it come out,
she’d gotten married and the
writer was like, like, what the
hell Drew?
Like her life was moving so
fast.
It was, and things were changing
by the second.
Yeah.
So Drew tells Chris that she
decided about 5 minutes before
going on the show that she
danced for Letterman.
If it felt right, she said.
That was one of the funnest
moments of my life.
I love being naked.
So apparently Sorrow floods is
now on the back burner at this
point, and she hasn’t decided
which of the six or seven
possible projects that she’ll
say yes to.
We do know.
We mentioned them earlier, yeah.
We can read the future.
Yes.
Also I’m sure there were lots of
other things in development
hall.
We know that they were.
She’s about to get ready to join
Hole in Europe and you did a
little dive.
Yeah, there was a little gap in
like what we know she was doing
in like mid-May.
And then I used that same whole
archive and they were in the UK
and France at that time.
So it’s crazy like that she was
going to their shows on the
regular and most of the time
there are no photos.
Like it’s just what a different?
Thing yeah, she has some more
favorite words she says her new
favorite words are empyrion,
mellifluous, pious and maladroit
I think I’ve.
Never been kissed.
When it’s the flashback to Josie
Grossie and she’s reading the
poem about Billy Prince, I feel
like she says his voice is so
mellifluous.
If I could just get one kiss.
I think you’re right.
Did.
She write that line.
Probably.
She also talks about feeling her
grandfather, John Barrymore,
looking down on her, she said.
I think when you feel a painful
lack of something you want so
badly, I think you have to find
a form of fulfilling that void
and need in your life.
I feel very little as far as
he’s concerned.
There’s something about his
strength that I believe he’s
given to me.
He had fucking the biggest balls
ever.
What was I going to say about
that?
Oh, we’ve heard her say she
feels like her family’s looking
down on her before.
Especially him and that she
talks to him through the moon
and she turns on the TV in the
kitchen to TCM to have the
portal to her family.
Like she’s still, it’s still so
meaningful to her.
I love that.
Yeah, she also tells Chris she’s
been in touch with her mother
after receiving a really
beautiful letter from Jaid for
her birthday.
She said.
The kind of letter that after
years of not seeing someone that
you deeply care for and shared
an immense amount of love and
pain with, the kind of letter
you’d hope for.
Yeah, I would like, I would love
to know what that letter said.
It must have been pretty great
because I feel like earlier in
the article she wants nothing to
do with her, right?
Right.
She also found out about the
book her mom’s writing, Secrets
of a world class Love lover,
right?
Lover, lover.
Drew’s not surprised Jaid would
write a book about sex, she
said.
That’s where I get my fucking
lack of inhibitions from,
physically from her and
spiritually from my father’s
side of the family.
Can I just note that this was
prior to Jaid what was called
Jaid’s turn when Jaid posed for
Playboy for their September 1995
issue.
I don’t think Drew would have
been laughing about Oh yeah, my
mom and sex.
Maybe not.
She wasn’t really pleased with
that.
No, no.
And Drew then tells Chris the
book is dedicated to her.
Ashley’s had the joy of reading
this book and the only part she
saved is the contribution page.
I do like what it says though.
Yeah, it says to Drew.
An elegant combination of
courage, sweetness and strength.
Jaid actually reads that on some
special about Drew.
Oh really?
Yeah, of course.
That book, guys, I got it for
like, I think I only paid a
dollar for it.
And it was so painful.
It was like embarrassing to
read.
I couldn’t even save it.
I just saved that page.
OK?
Let’s not talk about that.
OK?
OK, Let’s let’s go away from
Jaid.
OK.
So Drew shares a little bit more
about her 20th birthday, which I
thought was kind of weird
because now it’s like April and,
you know, her birthday happened
two months ago.
But OK.
So she says it was the best
birthday of her life.
And her favorite gift was from
Eric.
And it was a handmade 19th
century book in edition of one
called Fruits, Seeds and Flower.
Definitely sounds like something
should be into it.
Just says her mom sent her the
Angel Raphael.
I was like in what form?
The actual Angel.
She opened a box and he
manifested.
Yes.
I was thinking like a little
prayer card maybe, I don’t know.
Or like a figurine, not sure.
Yeah, she doesn’t say.
Nope.
And then her agent and manager
gave her 10 acres of Brazilian
rainforest, which she thinks is
so cool.
She’s like, at least I know 10
acres is safe, so that’s great.
And then of course, we’re going
to wrap up this article with
talking about the famous Steven
Spielberg gift.
You guys all know the story, but
we’re going to tell it again
anyway, so.
In case you don’t.
Yeah, Chris makes a point before
we talk about the gift.
He’s like, oh, they’ve always
stayed in touch, but he’s like,
but he’s never asked Drew to
work for him again, Which I was
like, Ouch.
And Drew says I would jump off
the Empire State Building for
the chance.
He’s the most incredible
filmmaker of our time.
And to make me a little sad for
her, Like, why hasn’t that ever
happened?
I don’t know.
Maybe because then people would
talk about how she’s such a
nepo baby that her godfather
puts her in movies.
So she points out that he’s the
only version of a father that
she’s ever known.
And if you guys didn’t listen to
our Steven Spielberg episode, we
really talk about that whole
evolution of their relationship.
It’s really cool.
Yeah.
But back to the gift.
There’s a big box, and inside
there was a large quilt with the
note.
Cover yourself up.
And also.
And there was her Playboy issue.
Except Spielberg’s art
department had been at work on
their computers, scanning and
recreating a Drew Barrymore
smile here, a 40s style dress
there.
In every photo, she was now
dressed.
I want to see this.
Every time it comes up, I think
you and I both go.
Where’s that magazine?
Oh my God.
Like just.
Give us 1 little glimpse.
It has to exist somewhere.
I mean, maybe not.
I don’t think she would ever
have like tossed it out.
And I know she has.
We know she has a storage unit,
at least one, probably many.
And we also know she lost a lot
of stuff in her house fire in
Like there’s just a certain
items that we don’t know, right?
So it might not exist anymore.
Yeah, I guess.
I also wonder, like the art
department couldn’t have made
only one, you know, like maybe
they did.
But maybe they did because it
wouldn’t have been so simple
back then and it would have been
like very time consuming and
difficult to do it.
Imagine this is pre AI guys, did
you know that now you could just
be like.
Put clothes on it, dressed.
You’re very more in this yeah,
little 40s outfit, but I’d love
to see it.
Love to imagine, like how much
time yeah they put into it.
Somewhere along the line she
said that there’s someone
described it as like she had
little handbags and every outfit
like perfectly matched head to
toe.
So cute.
What a what a funny gift.
So funny.
Oh, it was Letterman when she
told that story.
He goes, he would do that.
Like he’s no fun.
There’s so many things in this
article that are like callbacks
to so many things we’ve already
talked about.
But then there was a lot of
like, apparently knew in one way
or another, information, little
facts, things that I was like,
what?
Huh.
Oh my gosh.
Movies we didn’t know were in
the works.
The fact that she was ever
possibly gonna work with Chris
Farley like.
Oh my gosh, just the nitty
gritty way she talks about some
of the things that have happened
to her.
Yeah, this is.
A good feature.
It is good.
Again, I want to say thank you
to MC Nema for bringing this one
to our attention.
Yes.
It’s like we had it in our
collection this whole time.
I know it’s like it’s just been
sitting there waiting to be
discovered again.
It’s also, it’s like, it’s one
of those things where like
sometimes we just need like a
reason for an issue to be
brought back up to our world.
I know it’s funny.
Sometimes I’m like, embarrassed
when I, like, forgot about
something or we didn’t include
this fact in an episode.
And I’m like, Oh my God, this is
somebody who’s been in the
public eye for almost 50 years.
Like the fact that I can carry
around as much information in my
head as I can.
I should be proud of or
embarrassed by it, depending on
how you look at it.
Yeah, but there’s like, there’s
no way she’s done so many
interviews and so many.
Which is why we can have this
podcast like there is just never
ending content from this woman.
And we have all of her stories
in 10 different iterations, and
you have 20 of them by the time
we’re done with our by the time
we have a complete, 100%
complete collection of Drew
Barrymore.
I know.
Oh my gosh, I’m definitely it
definitely inspired me though,
to like maybe pull out more
oversized magazines and right
also fill in the gaps of like
years.
I haven’t just transcribed yet.
It’s a lot of work, but it’s
also like every time I do one,
I’m like, ah, yes, it is now
searchable.
It is now right at my
fingertips, like more more,
more, more Barrymore.
More.
More Barrymore.
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I’m Anne.
And I’m Ashley and this week we
are wrapping up Season 1 of
Santa Clarita Diet and
discussing episodes 89 and. 10
Woo Hoo, it’s bittersweet.
I know, bittersweet summer
series Santa Clarita diet season
Ladies.
Oh.
My God, I forgot about that
little inside joke.
OK.
We do have a couple of things at
the top.
I got a little oopsie Daisy.
There is a fun thing that we
forgot or like maybe we knew but
we forgot or we missed it.
Anyway, in episode 2 of Santa
Clarita Diet, there is this drug
dealer character named Cole and
they talk about his Instagram
account at kid weed and I
remember that they actually
created a real account and it’s
still up and you can check it
out.
They like had him take all these
pictures and like did good
caption like it’s very it’s very
well done.
That is so funny.
Definitely worth going back and
mentioning.
That’s really funny.
On the episode page.
That’s great.
Another thing we want to
mention, this is really cool.
We recently had two big features
about the podcast, one that we
knew was coming and one that was
a surprise.
So the podcast news blog
Earworthy did a whole write up
about us.
Like, I probably should have put
like some favorite quotes in
here, but I didn’t get around to
it.
But how cool was that?
I was like on the plane to
Hawaii when I saw.
It yeah, and you sent it over to
me and I was like whoa.
I was like kind of very curious
like who is this guy?
And he just like, yeah, does
random, like, posts about
different podcasts out there,
like, he just seeks him out and,
I don’t know, explores a little
bit.
So that was cool.
That was really cool.
There was definitely like a nice
thing in there that I really
like.
Loved the quote.
We’ll link to that one too,
guys, so you can go check it
out.
Yeah.
And then we had done a really
fun interview with a magazine
called Women Who Podcast.
It’s a digital magazine.
And this awesome lady, Chelsea,
interviewed us and we had so
much fun doing that.
And that came out in their July
issue and it’s like a four page
feature on us, which is so cool.
That’s so fun.
It’s, it was so fun to like talk
about just like the making of
the podcast and not like, like,
it’s a different way.
I don’t know.
It was like a different way to
discuss what we’re doing.
Yeah.
It was a unique way to be like
asked by like a podcaster or at
least someone who’s like
internal on the podcaster like
world.
That’s what they’re focused on
like not Drew or us as fans.
That’s like us as.
Many masters yeah, especially
not Drew like it was kind of
cool cuz she came at it with
this like a whole podcast about
Drew Barrymore? like yeah what is
that going to be like and then
she ended up loving it and we
have a really nice little
comment from her that we’ll get
to in a second.
Perfect yeah.
I put in our You’ve Got Mail
section.
Great.
Yeah.
It was really just like a very
unique experience and you have
to buy the magazine to view it,
but I think it’s only like
$5.00.
So if you guys are interested,
we will link to that as well.
Yes.
And that was cool.
It’s nice to just, I don’t know,
have people noticing.
There’s nothing else.
OK, so the last thing before we
get into our mailbag, August
episode is released, is our four
year anniversary for How Do You
Drill.
Insert like a pause sound or
something like that.
Yeah, fireworks says I’m like a
gunshot bam bam main.
So that’s kind of a fun little
celebratory thing.
Also, that’s wild because I
moved to Maine right after that,
which means I’ve been here
almost four years.
Like, that’s wild.
So.
I know and I was pregnant and
like now I have a almost 3 1/2
year old like right I don’t
understand time.
I don’t understand time.
I knew that sound clip would
come in handy a lot.
We’ve like used to like 3 times
in the last week, but this
because it’s our anniversary of
a couple little things, little
fun things we’ve done in the
past, highlights of the last
year, some pretty fun stuff,
right?
Oh my gosh.
Well.
Our Todd Gold interview Hello.
Like I still I feel like people
still don’t understand what a
big deal that is like co-author,
actually true ghostwriter,
author of little girl lost who
never has given an interview
about her since like celebrity
profile to sit down and chat
with us.
That was so incredible.
It was so much fun.
So if you guys haven’t heard
that, please listen to and watch
our Todd Gold interview because
it’s up on YouTube.
Yeah, we had the episode of
Collectors Call air within like
that also feels.
That was so.
Crazy.
Yeah.
So when did it?
When did it actually air?
Was it like right after?
I think it was October.
So yeah, it’s been you know,
it’s it was like 10 months ago,
but still it’s within the last
year and it was a really big
thing that we have to talk
about.
And they did mention the Potter
they like showed the podcast
homepage on the TV screen, which
was neat.
So our.
Little piece of publicity before
these, like, recent little ones.
Yeah.
We also finally covered
Charlie’s Angels in the past
year, which we had avoided.
And then once Ashley dove in, it
was like, OK, this is not as
scary as I thought it was going
to be.
Like I know avoided and then I’m
like, it’s my my personal like
favorite that we’ve done maybe
one of my favorites ever, but
definitely the past year, like
the feels like the biggest
accomplishment of an episode.
It was so well received by so
many people, which meant a lot
to us.
Like we poured a lot into it and
I’m just really proud of that
one.
And it’s crazy to think we still
have to cover full throttle.
Yeah, I feel like that feels
somehow less daunting.
Oh definitely, I agree.
We’ll do that, you know, we’ll
do that soon.
It feels like a summary thing,
yeah.
It does because it came out in
summer.
Right.
And actually I was just talking
to Jelena, my friend who’s
visiting our friend, our friend
Jelena.
Jelena, you want to just like
say hi.
Hi Juby, Joalena and Anne and I
all met on the same message
board when we were teenagers in
the 90s.
It’s like crazy that that’s how
we became friends and we’re like
real life IRL friends and
they’re hanging out right now
and I have FOMO.
Yes, I, we, I really wish that
we were all in the same room
together, but we were just
talking about Charlie’s Angels
and like the release.
Because I was like, that was a
summer movie, right?
And then I was like, Oh no, it
was November.
Like it came out in November.
Anyway.
I was just thinking about like
the year 2, 2000 and how
powerful that year was.
Oh yeah.
And yeah, it was so impactful.
Like Charlie’s Angels was like,
you know, Drew’s star was like
on top at that moment.
Oh my gosh.
And like for flower films, what
an incredible accomplishment.
Yeah.
I mean, you’ve been so rave
about it a lot.
I was just going to say it was
so fun to talk about that, and
that clearly comes through.
And then another thing that
happened in the last year was we
started covering Drew’s 2015
book Wildflower on Patreon
chapter by chapter.
We just released, it’s chapter 5
finally, that’s out now if you
guys wanna check it out.
And by the time you hear this,
we’ll probably even be well on
our way to doing chapter 6.
So if you’re not already at
Daisy over there, please go join
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Yes, please do.
Patreon.com.
And last but not least, stay
tuned at the end of this episode
for our yearly Bloopsy Daisies.
I look so forward.
To some years I have more than
others and I don’t remember what
I’ve clipped.
So those who know, if you know,
you know.
You know, you know, it’s just
all our bloopers and they’re
really funny and Anne compiles
them throughout the year.
To do this for, I was gonna say
for you guys, but I think it’s
really for me cuz I just love
them.
It’s kinda to make.
Ashley laugh.
I mean, sometimes it’s just to
like, please ourselves.
I think I said that, yeah.
OK, so let’s check out what we
have in the mail.
You’ve got mail.
So as I said, I pulled a really
nice comment from Chelsea.
She was the writer of our Women
Who podcast feature and she was
just so kind to us and had the
nicest things to say.
And this is what she wrote on
Instagram after the feature came
out.
So she said.
I was so blown away by U2.
It was such a fun conversation
and so enlightening.
I cannot wait to see where your
journey takes you both.
And I’m even reading Wildflower
now.
Keep going ladies.
Yay.
Thank you so much.
Your enthusiasm is well received
on this end.
Oh, yeah, big time.
Thank you.
Yes.
We love it.
OK, I lied.
There’s a little bit more.
Before we move on, let’s talk
about what’s new with Drew.
Here we go with the news,
everybody.
OK, just one thing, but it’s a
biggie.
So The Drew Barrymore Show
season 7 is going to start
filming on September 3rd, but it
will be an episode with just
Ross and Sonny.
So I’m already like, are we
going to have another season of
Drew not being in a bunch of
segments?
The Ross and Sonny Show.
Yeah, regular episode tapings
are beginning on September 9th.
And then, boom, just like that,
the first episode will premiere
on CBS Monday, September 14th.
So right.
I just realized I’m actually
trying to go to New York in
September.
Really.
Yeah, so I should try to align a
visit.
Yes, you absolutely should.
That’s not even a question.
I.
Wasn’t thinking about it before,
but you know, Drew Barrymore
show.
I had to keep a lookout for a
request from and from the
museum.
And how do you drew to sit in
the front row?
I’m going.
To have even more FOMO, damn it.
Come on over, Ashley.
I.
Know why can’t you also hop on
an hour and a half flight to
come to New York?
OK, are we ready to jump into
this show that we’ve been
covering that I can’t remember
the name of right now 2. 1000
Malibu Road.
No, that was last year.
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Santa Clarita.
Right, let’s get started with
episode 8, which is called How
Much Vomit.
Lovely.
Just this one.
Yeah, this one was directed by
Steve Pink, and it was written
by Aaron Brownstein and Simon
Ganz, and the description is a
new look.
Loki takes Joel and Sheila by
surprise, while Abby and Eric
learned the fine art of leaving
well enough alone.
OK, so the show starts on Sheila
sneaking out of bed at night to
try and reattach the pinky toe
that fell off at the end of the
last episode in the bath.
She’s trying a glue gun, doesn’t
quite work.
Sewing it on doesn’t work.
She’s using a hammer and nail
which breaks it in half, which
she settles for wearing socks.
She makes such a funny face when
it breaks in half, and like the
perfect little frown that she
can do.
Like, yeah, I actually took a
screen cap of that.
I should have put it in the
notes.
I love it.
What I did put in the notes is a
screen cap or actually a still
photo on the table.
When she’s doing all these
things for her toe, there’s a
bottle of old school flower
beauty nail Polish.
I was like, oh, I recognize that
bottle shape.
Yeah, so cool.
And also like I noticed it’s her
actual feet and hands.
Like, yeah, doing the thing,
which, you know, I like.
We like those little things we
do.
Look out for that.
I always think about
doppelganger when you were like
noticing if the webbing on her
hands was her hands.
And I think it was, which I
appreciate it.
At that time, I was like, well,
it makes sense.
Would they have like really had
a double at that time?
But like, yeah, yeah, I don’t
know.
You know, sometimes, sometimes
you’re surprised when they do.
And like, yeah.
Totally.
And I mean, I can just go on a
real quick little thing, Yeah,
and scream where the shot where
her hand reaches up to grab the
ghost face mask.
Not, not her hand.
Not her.
They film that.
Like, almost at the end of
filming, actually.
On location.
At Stu’s house.
Just a little trivia for you
guys.
Interesting.
But yeah, we love, we love,
like, noticing that stuff, you
know, getting behind the scenes
a little bit, ruining the magic
here for.
Anyway, the magic was here for
this one because it was her
hands and feet and they made her
made it look like her toe is
missing.
Anyway, Joel wakes up feeling
kind of frisky, but Sheila turns
him down.
Then he offers a foot massage,
which makes her panic.
Obviously.
She’s like trying to hide this
from him.
I.
Know, it makes me sad that she
like doesn’t want him to know
we’ll get there though.
OK.
So the next morning they go
visit the next door neighbor
Lisa, who seems like totally
fine with her husband being dead
and Sheriff Anne is there making
food and clearly there’s
something flirtatious going on.
I think this is the last time we
see her.
And I was kind of like, oh,
that’s it.
Like I thought there was more to
it.
So I don’t know if she comes
back next season, but like,
that’s kind of it with that
storyline.
There’s a couple things I’m
like, huh, that’s it.
So I don’t see a next season
that feels different.
Yeah.
Sheriff Ann reports that Loki
isn’t dead, and he had vomited
all over a motel room.
So of course, Joel and Sheila
are like, oh, they go to the
motel and they question the
housekeeper there.
This is a weird question, but
did you happen to find something
that looked like a small red
ball?
No, just this medium red ball.
Oh my God.
I’d call that small Esther.
Maybe I have little hands.
Still.
Did he leave anything else?
No book.
I will not guess its size.
Just like that, she’s like, I’m
done with your shit.
Yeah.
So she gives them this notebook
that was left behind and there’s
what looks like an appointment
inside and it says must kill.
With an address.
And a time.
So they decide they have to go
stop him.
I love that how this pans out.
We’ll get back to there pretty
good.
So back home, Sheila and Joel go
through their recently purchased
weapons.
There’s a little side note about
buying a hair brush and him
buying a manicure kit, and they
weren’t on the list.
It comes back into play later,
so it’s worth noticing that
little bit.
They suit up and you made the
note that Sheila, Sheila looks
like super hot in this like all
black outfit, like she’s wearing
like tactical gear and she also
has a black beanie that’s very
reminiscent of a familiar
popular figure.
Does this hat make me look like
the edge?
No, wait, yes.
What do you want to hear?
Well, I’m wearing it.
You look awesome.
I.
Love.
Him.
She’s like, I’m trying so hard
to be supportive.
OK, so I just a personal note
here.
I feel like from this point,
super hot Sheila and especially
in the next episode, and I
always remembered this, I feel
like she is looking like what I
consider the like full form
ultimate hot babe version of
Sheila.
Like as far as her hair in her
outfits.
And this is like sort of she
actually dressed up as Sheila a
couple times.
Once in 2021 for the Drew
Barrymore Show and again in 2023
for MTV when she was going to
host the Movie Awards.
So and both those times, like, I
feel like this is the look that
she kind of went for, you know,
like the way her hair is done
and like tight pants and boots.
So I have something else to say
about that when we get to the
last episode because I feel like
they mess it all up with her
hair, but.
I have, I have like a response
about that too.
So we’ll we’ll get into the hair
and I but I totally see what you
mean because it’s like the tight
pants and the tall boots and
like how that that silhouette.
Her hair looks and everything.
Yeah, she just looks.
That’s great.
Yeah, totally.
So Abby walks in on their like
planning and demands honesty and
to join them and then she’s
pissed that they won’t bring her
along to a murder.
I like that they’re like, we
made a lot of mistakes as
parents, but I feel pretty good
about, like, we’re not going to
bring her along to a murder.
Yeah.
So they arrive at the address
that was in the notebook and
they’re fully armed, like
literally holding weapons.
And they bust into this like,
chill coffee shop.
It’s not what they expected.
And Loki is there, but he’s just
happily singing and playing
guitar for like the crowd and
he’s living out his coffee shop
singer-songwriter life.
Plot twist, it’s.
Pretty funny.
The reveal.
Yeah, it’s good.
Total plot twist, at the storage
unit, Abby tells Eric that she
wants his help fixing up her
dad’s motorcycle, and the owner
of a chop shop where they take
it is kind of an asshole and
total creep.
And he operates out of a storage
unit that’s really close to Joel
and Sheila’s unit.
Really convenient.
Yeah, I know.
At first I was like, I thought
there was somewhere else.
And then I realized, Oh no,
they’re just like a couple doors
down.
Yeah.
Yeah, it’s right by there.
At the coffee shop, Loki tells
the Hammonds how he woke up
feeling like he got rid of
everything that was holding him
back.
So very similar to how Sheila
feels, right?
Yeah.
And they pretty quickly start to
bond over some of the
similarities of how great they
feel.
Do you sleep barely?
Me neither do.
You feel pain.
Never.
I carried A beehive out of our
front yard.
I.
Stayed at the sun for an hour I.
Eat a bottle to drive some
drunks out of a park.
You did.
What was this?
Thursday, I can’t believe we
were going to stab you in the
brain.
We have so much in.
Common.
We have so much in common.
So it turns out this Must Kill
from the Notebook was about his
musical performance tonight at
this at this coffee shop and
Sheila wants a copy of his home
main CD, which turns out is
called So Alive.
I just love that little touch.
And I love how it like literally
looks like he like used a
printer at home.
Like it’s perfect.
It’s a really good prop.
Well done.
It’s.
Really funny.
Loki explains that his old gang
leaves bodies for him to eat and
the Magic Magic Mountain parking
lot, and he invites them to join
him for a meal.
Joel is clearly feeling left out
of the Undead Club when, like
Sheila reveals to Loki, he’s not
one of us, basically.
Yeah, that’s right.
And Sheila sends him away and
tells Loki about her toe.
And they kind of decide that
they need to look out for each
other because they’ve got these
very similar issues.
Fucking toe fell off?
What the little one?
It just dropped off.
Has anything like that happened
to you?
No, that must be awful.
I haven’t told Joel yet.
He’s not going to be able to
handle me deteriorating.
Maybe I can help you.
Really, we’re the only two like
us.
We have to look out for each
other and learn from each other.
Thank you and may I share
something with you?
If you miss eating pizza, eat a
man who just ate pizza.
Smart.
I just like the touch of like,
yeah, it’s just silly.
OK, so the next morning, back at
the chop shop, the teens get
there, but they discovered that
the dude is dead from a heroin
overdose.
Oops.
Again.
Like I thought this was going to
play out very differently than
it really doesn’t go anywhere.
Eric says.
You know, we cannot call the
police because there’s illegal
activity happening all the place
with your family right now.
Joel’s bike is there, but it’s
in pieces.
So to make her parents less mad,
Abby’s like, OK, I’ll just get
this dead body to my mom.
And then the teens struggle.
They try to, like, wheel him on
a Dolly to the meat freezer, but
it doesn’t fit.
So they wheel him back and it’s
again, It doesn’t really like go
anywhere.
Yeah, and ultimately it’s like
that body doesn’t get used for
her mom.
I know he’s like.
Oh, he was such a jerk.
I thought that was some point.
But Nope, she doesn’t get him.
Yeah, it’s like motorcycle
places them there.
OK, Sheila, is it my turn?
Yeah.
Sheila gets a text from Loki
asking Timmy up about fixing her
toe.
She suspiciously hides it from
Joel, who is feeling really
jealous about Loki.
I like how he tries to like,
grab her phone.
Yeah, it’s really, it’s very
comical.
Yeah, once Sheila and Loki meet
up, Loki presents an ice chest
full of feet to Sheila so she
can select her replacement.
OK, so Drew kicks her leg up so
that she can take off her boot
to match her foot with these
feet.
And I love that we both noticed
this.
She is feeling so impressed with
herself for how flexible she is
and doing her little.
See we talked about this
sometimes, I don’t know if you
guys know it though.
When Drew does something hammy,
she gets this little smirk on
her face where she’s like, so
proud of herself.
Yeah.
And she absolutely is making the
face here.
We’ll put a screenshot in the
episode gallery.
Yeah, it’s, it’s like you can
always see when she’s like about
to do something or has done
something that she’s like proud
of or like.
Look what I’m doing.
And she loves showing that she
can just put her leg like
basically straight up right
next.
To herself.
Very impressive.
I’m jealous.
It is.
It’s very flexible, but I yeah,
I like, I was like, oh, she’s.
She she.
Yeah, There’s the smirk, there’s
the like.
Yeah, she thinks someone’s going
to go.
Oh, and she’s right.
Look at that leg going straight
up in front of her.
The foot thing, though, gets
shut down really quick when she
realizes that Loki thinks they
should be together, and she
leaves pretty upset about it.
That Loki makes a voice note
reminder to murder Joel.
Yeah.
You think he’s all chill until,
like, he can’t have what what he
wants.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Abby’s feeling all bummed out
that she messed up so badly.
But Eric gives her really sweet
pep talk and he says that she’s
the most awesome, capable person
he’s ever met, which is sweet
because we kind of been talking
about, like, the way that they
help each other.
Yeah.
And then they take the
motorcycle dudes bike out while
wearing his really gross leather
jackets that have patches on
them that say pussy magnet and
vaginitarian.
Is that how you say that?
I think vaginitarian.
There we go.
Vaginitarian.
Vaginitarian.
So she’s like, it’s cute.
They both get to help each other
out there.
Yeah.
So Sheila comes home and
there’s, like, the total cliche
romance setup.
There’s candles and rose petals,
and then there’s a hilarious
real estate sign that says
what’s up, Santa Clarita.
And it’s older photos of them.
So it’s supposed to be there.
From their very first listing.
They say it’s from the year
Yeah.
I swear this picture of Drew is
from 2004.
Like, it was giving me that
Super Bowl event vibes.
You could actually show it to
Joalena because I know she loves
that Super Bowl event, but I
couldn’t find the exact picture
and it’s really bugging me.
It’s a cute prop.
At first I was like why did they
use this real estate like sign
when they have like real ones
that they took for the show?
And then I realized they had to
be like older.
And his hair is like, really?
Yeah, I wonder if they were just
like at this age, like if they
just looked up, like, I don’t
know, yeah, really age.
And just.
And him too, because his hair
looks like like 1999/2000, you
know?
Very.
Cute.
Yeah.
Joel also made her some
spaghetti and meatballs.
How sweet.
Listen to how sweet this is.
I made you the only meal I knew
how to cook.
Spaghetti.
Meatballs.
This is so sweet.
I wish I could eat it.
You can, It’s made from 100%
free range Dan.
Really.
The noodles are striated biceps.
The meatballs are from.
Honestly I don’t know where
they’re from.
It was a horrible mess somewhere
in the chest cavity.
I can’t believe you did all
this.
It wasn’t easy.
I puked twice.
Also, I think we’re going to
have to throw out the pasta
maker.
I left it to soak but it’s not
looking good.
Did you try vinegar and baking
soda?
That’s how I got Gary out of my
shoes.
These exchanges.
He’s so sweet, the dedication.
I peeped ice.
So he apologizes for the whole
thing about getting jealous, and
he knows no one is ever going to
have as much in common with
Sheila as he does.
Like, as they’ve said earlier,
they’ve been Joel and Sheila
since high school, right?
But as they’re having this nice
moment, Loki bursts through the
door, like, literally breaks it
down.
And he says they need to be
together, him and Sheila.
And he lets it slip about
Sheila’s toe problems.
So now that’s cats out of bag at
that.
And this big fight ensues.
And Joel rushes them upstairs to
their bedroom.
And this is just a cute little
moment.
We have to kill them.
It’s your.
Only way out, I know.
So why did we come upstairs to
get our weapons?
You mean the ones we weren’t?
Going to use so I put.
Them back in the kitchen, in the
garage.
Get.
Those don’t you get upset with
me.
You’re the one who bought me
that Japanese tidying up.
Book.
I just want to get your shoes
out of the.
Hallway again, some of my
favorite moments are when
they’re just having like,
regular marriage stuff in the
midst of like this insanity.
Mild bickering, yeah.
And while barricading the door,
Sheila admits that she didn’t
want Joel to know about her toe.
And she just doesn’t know if she
can handle things or if he can
handle this whole thing.
And she’s like, what if I lose
control and you have to kill me?
And he’s, of course, always
like, we’ll figure it out.
We always have.
Yeah.
And it’s just very sweet.
When another one of those sweet
exchanges of like support and
and like reassurance, Loki gets
through the door that they
barricaded and the Hammonds are
nowhere to be seen.
They set Loki’s CD on the floor
of their closet as kind of like
bait, and they sneak up on him
and they stab him in the head
from both sides with a pair of
nail scissors and a hair brush.
And those are the ones that they
bought at the beginning of the
episode.
And Joel says I take back
everything I said about the
brush.
Joel got the body into the car
since the undead cannot
apparently eat the undead, so it
was not really useful to them in
that way.
Yeah.
And then I was like, I don’t
again, I don’t think there was
any resolution to what they did
with his body, right?
No, I feel like the kind of he
just like kind of vaguely says
we’ll get rid of it or
something, but like no, maybe
they.
Go put him next to Gary in the
desert.
Maybe they got another storage
tub with the lid this time.
That is huge.
So good luck, Joel.
Yeah, good luck.
Truly.
Joel wants to see Sheila’s toe,
which she is really trying to
avoid.
Come.
Here I want to see your toe.
I don’t think so.
Maybe you never have to see it.
Maybe I can just have sex with
my socks on or heels that you’d
like that, wouldn’t you?
I would, but eventually I’d want
to take them off of you.
OK, get ready to have whatever
the opposite of a boner is.
And of course, once again, Joel
is extremely supportive and
encouraging, and he says they’ll
find the guy with the Serbian
book and get the cure.
But then the episode ends with
one of her eyes just suddenly
dangling out of its socket.
Oh man.
All right, Episode 9, we’re
moving on to the what do they
call that penultimate episode?
It is called the book
Exclamation.
Point.
It is directed by Tamra Davis.
Maybe we don’t do explain to a
lot of you, but this is the
director of movies with our
lovely girl Drew Guncrazy,
Best men, skipped parts, and
she had previously been attached
as director for the movie Bad
Girls.
Just another little tidbit
that’s pretty important, but it
sets the stage about the
relationship. 16 year old Drew
lived in her house for a while.
So there you go.
Also, one more fact inevitable.
How do you drew guests?
We will have her on.
Once she’s done with this, like
Film Festival circuit she’s been
on for months right after we
wanted to get her on the show,
yes, I’m hoping we can pin her
down because she did agree.
I’ll just spoil that.
Like she did agree to do it.
She said she loves Drew and
she’ll do it, but we haven’t
been able to get her to like,
stop traveling the world.
Come on, Tamra.
Yes, but it’s cool.
You know what?
I’m actually glad that we
haven’t done it yet because
we’ve got to watch this episode.
So good point.
Include this in our conversation
with her a little bit better.
That’s a really good point.
The writer of the episode is
Sarah Walker, and the
description is Joel and Eric
seek out the mysterious Anton at
a paranormal convention, while
Sheila and Abby bond over their
shared love of bad behavior.
This is a very like simple
episode, like not very much
happens for being like almost
the end of the season.
But again, I love her look so
much in it that I’m not
complaining.
So we open up on Sheila meal
prepping, which is the
equivalent of her putting body
bits into Baggies labeled with
the days of the week.
Yes.
Joel comes in with some great
news.
He’s finally heard from Anton,
the guy who has the Serbian
book.
Sheila’s eye is still a little
monkey and she says it’s been
drifting since she had to shove
it back in.
I, I think the effect here, I
don’t know what they’re doing,
if she has a contact in or what,
but it’s really good.
I was wondering if they just, I
think they probably put like a
contact that covered a bunch of
her eye that made it look like
it was off center because it
looks really good.
It’s great, I know she can cross
her eyes, but not like this.
No, it’s like stuck out of
place, Yeah.
Joel reluctantly agrees that
he’ll help her with the eyeball,
but first he wants her to know
that Anton agreed to meet up
with Joel if he would finally
stop calling him.
That was funny.
And they’re going to go meet up
at a paranormal conference that
day.
He meets you, you put on your
little horror show, eat a
finger, let him stab you in the
stomach, and you’ll have to let
us see that book.
OK, happy about that.
Less happy about being called
the horror show.
Oh, wait, right there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
OK, now press it until you hear
a pop.
No.
Come on.
Come on now, we’re grooving now.
We’re grooving.
Her like come on like don’t be a
pussy.
Yeah, and then she like, goes
right back to her little
shining, like little big smile.
So cute.
So the neighbor, Rick, the other
cop, the cop we like, he brings
Abby home.
She was just pulled over on a
motorcycle.
And he also wants to eat some of
that meat that Sheila’s bagging
up you.
Actually, I want to say
something else about the meat is
like why wasn’t one of the
solutions about like how to save
the meat to cook it?
Because she clearly has like
cooked body meat in these bags.
That was when they were talking
about freezing stuff.
They didn’t talk about how you
could like, I guess you’d have
to cook it and then still freeze
it.
I don’t know.
Anyway, it just started.
Liking the wrong person.
I just thought she had to eat it
like raw and not cooked.
But yeah, you know, what do I
know?
What do I know?
OK, what do we know about
cooking meat?
Not much.
Really very little.
Abby tells her parents this, the
entire story of what happened
with the motorcycle and the chop
shop and everything.
Her parents are horrified and
upset.
And of course Abby’s super
nonchalant, as she pretty much
always says.
And Sheila decides, you know
what?
I’m going to skip the convention
today.
I need to spend time with Abby,
and that’s the priority.
So Joel decides he’ll take Eric
along the next door neighbor.
And of course, he’s stoked about
that.
So while picking up Eric, Joel
finds out that Eric actually
knows about about him killing
Dan.
Whoops.
Yeah, I do.
Like, I think he says, like I
think he says something like,
oh, so that’s something, you
know, Huh.
Great, he does.
But I love this little line that
you like clipped out here where
he says, but I refuse to be
defined by the one time I
murdered somebody.
And Eric’s not upset at him
about it.
It’s like it’s resolved very
quickly.
Because as we’ve established, I
hope you’re watching along.
Dan was not a great guy.
At the storage unit, Sheila and
Abby are returning the
motorcycle and Sheila’s trying
to suggest fun things for them
to do together.
They like mentioned going to
tea.
Yeah.
And she’s trying to just be very
like, normal life and no more
violence or chaos.
And it’s, you know, of course
that’s not going to work.
Out.
Yeah, it follows them.
The brother of the dead chalk
shop guy is there at the storage
unit and super pissed Abby has
the bike.
He refuses to give Abby’s money
to return Abby’s money which
makes Sheila very angry.
And we love and angry Drew.
Oh yeah, Potty mouth Drew.
Yeah, like funny, angry.
And this I think falls into that
category.
Now what lesson are we learning?
To let it go, we’re going to go
have our tea, and we’re not
going to let our tea be ruined
by some pervert who can’t even
look us in the eye when he’s
cheating us.
What kind of tea are you going
to get?
Probably like a nice steaming
cup of fucker.
Fucker.
You.
Doggy fucker, give us our
fucking honey back.
I think we’re going to do
different mother daughter stuff
today.
Be yelling.
It’s so funny.
And your screenshot too that you
took out of her yelling straight
into the camera.
I mean, Joalena actually laughed
too when we were watching it.
Like it made us, it made us
crack up when she looked right
at the camera and started
yelling.
So at Paranormal Con, they’re
looking for Anton while eating a
churro lightsaber.
Eric coaches Joel and how to
talk to him, and Anton is played
by Derek Waters, the creator of
Drunk History.
Did you recognize him?
I was like, why do I know this
guy?
And I went and looked up as
IMDBI was like that’s it, that’s
the reason.
But it’s it’s funny.
The other thing is like, there’s
so many small amazing people in
this show that I like forget.
So it’s a joy to be like, oh.
Oh yeah, totally.
Every cameo.
Like, I had forgotten about
Thomas Lennon and, you know,
before we watching again and
there was somebody else that
were like, oh.
Probably Pat and Oswald, like,
yeah.
Exactly, exactly.
So many amazing, fun comedians.
So Sheila and Abby go through
their storage unit because
again, they’re just like a
couple doors away to find, you
know, a non violent solution to
making this chop shop brother
give back their money.
And Sheila’s really concerned in
this episode that Abby doesn’t
want to go to college.
Oh.
Look, it’s.
My old college pencil.
What?
Not really, I’m just looking for
a way to talk to you about
college.
Why don’t you want to go?
Maybe I just want to live a
little freer, you know, like you
do now.
Less about planning in the
future and more about living in
the moment.
Yes, it’s fun to be carefree and
spontaneous and less hireable in
a depressed job market.
Plans are important too, honey.
Plans A couple of weeks ago you
said I should drop out of school
and be a poet.
Sometimes they say things
impulsively now.
That’s why I’m not allowed back
at Starbucks anymore.
Well, that bitch works.
Mom.
I really like that.
Oh, it’s my old college pencil.
Me too.
It’s really good.
It’s.
Perfect.
It’s perfectly like.
Nonchalant.
Yeah.
Like, what are you talking
about?
Yes.
And anyway, in the storage unit,
they find an old Raffi CD that
used to be Abby’s, and they
blast Baby Beluga outside the
chop shop.
And Drew’s doing like very
classic Drew dancing.
Yes, she totally is.
Anton back at the paranormal
con, which again, very
convenient that it happened to
be so close in Oxnard.
Anton is giving this whole talk
of like, conspiracy theories and
he’s ranting about the man and
all this stuff.
And Joel pipes up and asks about
the Serbian book.
Anton says he has a digital copy
of it on a thumb drive that
happens to be gold plated on his
necklace.
And he’s also, like, all
paranoid that Joel’s from the
government.
I think he says something like
your your hair is way too thick
or something right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You’re too handsome.
I think, yeah, Then Eric says.
Like we should have put a hat on
you or something like that.
Yeah, the girls give up on the
whole Raffi’s thing.
It’s not working.
And Sheila says the new lesson
is if at first you don’t
succeed, then blast his ass with
tear gas.
And of course, Abby is thrilled
about that because that’s like
her new hobby.
And she’s also excited to find
out that her mom almost ate coal
kid weed on.
But when they put the tear gas
into what they think is the
right duct, it ends up going
into the wrong unit, which is
workout.
I was also like, oh, and there
are also people living in that
one.
Like I know I was thinking that
too.
Or like hanging out and they’re.
Hanging out in their storage
units.
Yeah.
And Sheila’s upset that she just
can’t.
Like, life is never going to be
normal.
She just can’t have like a nice
day with her daughter.
Like things are always going to
go awry.
And kind of like in the last
episode of like, can’t we just
have a normal day?
Yes.
Back at the con, a zombie
Redditor asks Eric about a post
mortem female he’s been writing
about quote UN quote.
And Joel and Eric have a funny
fight about it.
And he ends up saying you’re a
boy who smells like a baby
because before they left the
house, his Mama smelled him and
said you still have that new
baby smell.
I really like that one.
It’s it is very funny.
Sheila admits the college thing
is upsetting to her because she
needs to know Abby will be OK if
she’s not there.
I think she’s admitting it to
Joel.
I don’t know if she admits it
to.
Abby.
No, She admits it to Abby.
Oh, she does OK.
He she confesses about her toe
and eyeball issues, which kind
of snaps Abby into the
seriousness of their reality.
And you had pulled up a picture
from the For Your Consideration
DVD that you just got.
That looks like a deleted scene
from here because we don’t see
her eyeball hanging out in the
show at this point, but it is in
this picture.
I know it’s kind of weird.
Like do you think they’re
talking to the chop shop guide
brother or?
I can’t tell what’s going on?
They both look like horrified a
little bit, but yeah, I’m like.
So curious.
Like script copy.
Somehow I didn’t even think
about that, but yeah, it’d be
interesting to find out.
I don’t sometimes.
Sometimes it is.
Yeah.
At the convention.
Because we’re just going back
and forth this whole episode
between storage unit and
convention.
Yes.
Anton is going pee and Joel
confronts him and is kind of a
badass.
This is definitely like, the
most tough we’ve ever seen.
Joel.
Yeah.
I kind of wanted him to, like,
feel proud about it later, which
doesn’t really happen.
Maybe because he’s just, like,
so much cooler than everybody at
this convention.
It’s like, true for him.
True.
Maybe So, yeah, Anton admits he
just pretended he had the
Serbian book, and he’s pretty
much a fraud, so that’s a dead
end.
But that Redditor guy comes out
of a stall.
He overheard everything.
And he asks Joel some very
specific questions about Sheila,
like did she throw up a red ball
and things like that?
And he says that he’s been sent
to the con by an ex CDC
scientist who specializes in
fringe virology.
And her name is Doctor Cora
Wolf.
And and this guy gives Joel her
card.
And he’s pretty much gives
credit to Eric for posting about
this.
He’s like, I never would have
found you otherwise.
So, you know, Joel’s not so mad
at Eric anymore.
And Eric really does give him a
very sincere apology.
So Joel makes him look cool in
front of everybody at the con by
making it look like he’s under
arrest for knowing too much.
It’s a nice little way to say
thank you.
I love it.
Back at home that night, she was
on the couch with a sleeping
Abby on her lap.
And Joel kind of because gets
back from the con and he fills
her in on everything.
And she lives all about finding
the cure because she needs to be
there for Abby as like, you
know, she needs to know Abby’s
OK, but she also really wants to
be there.
And they share a sweet moment.
Whatever it is, I’m in.
You are.
Abby’s going to corrupt to be an
amazing woman.
I want to be around to see as
much of that as I can.
So if there’s a chance for a
cure, no matter how much of A
long shot, I want to take it.
We get a shot of the Serbian
book near science lab equipment
and a rat surrounded by vomit,
including his own little tiny,
tiny meatball.
And then it pans and we see that
the scientist Doctor Cora,
played by Portia DiRossi.
Fun.
Yep, she gets a call from Joel
explaining Sheila’s situation.
I see.
And how long has she been like
this, really?
Now we’re at the finale, which I
felt a little let down by, I
don’t know, maybe maybe knowing
that there’s like a two more
whole seasons helped a little
bit.
But I was a little like, oh,
that’s it.
OK, because a lot of like
nothing really gets wrapped up
in a good way.
But let’s let’s get into it.
So episode 10, it’s called Baca
bile and baseball bats
alliteration like that.
We have another fun director
reunion.
This one was directed by Dean
Parisot, who is the director of
home fries.
I love it.
I and I, I’m almost positive
there’s another like previous
Drew director who shows.
Up Coming out of.
Season, so she had to have
something to do with this right?
Like these aren’t people who
normally do TV.
Like she must have like called
them in, which is just so really
fun to me to think that she’d be
like, oh, I need the guy from
home fries, which is also like
kind of a similar tone, wouldn’t
you say?
Cuz.
It’s dark comedy.
Comedy.
Yeah, that’s very true.
I’m like thinking through this
right now.
Yeah, you’re like, why would
they do that?
Yeah, actually.
So this episode was written by
Clay Graham and he also wrote
episode 3.
So that’s fun.
And the description is Doctor
Wolf is ready to get down to
work.
But with Sheila growing more
aggressive by the minute, Joel
worries it may be too late.
All.
Right.
Can I start right at the top?
Just talking about her hair in
this.
Episode yeah go on with your
hair rant and then I’ll give you
a little bit of like a reply
that I don’t know but we’ll see
I just have like a little bit of
a thought about your.
I just hate it, you know?
I hate when her hair has this.
Like, it’s almost like it makes
an M, like, McDonald’s arches
from the middle.
And it’s, like, blown back from
her face.
Every once in a while, she has
her hair like this.
And I don’t like it.
And it kills me that this is
supposed to be like, Sheila’s
ultimate form.
Yeah.
And she has this hair after it
looked so awesome in episodes
So I have to just like rant
about about that for a minute.
And I’m sorry.
I know it’s really shallow, but
it really bugs me.
On a positive note, I do love
her new vampy dark nails.
And I know that when she was
about to start season 2, she
took a picture of her dark nails
on a script.
And so I always like, I was
like, oh, it’s like those nails.
Yeah, that’s fun.
I will say I feel like maybe
their thought about this blown
back hair was like that.
She gets kind of feral in this
episode and she kind of looks
more like lioness or something,
I don’t know.
So I like that take.
I mean because there there
definitely is a difference.
Yeah, and it’s like it had to be
intentional.
Does that hair continue into the
second season?
No, well, maybe it like maybe
first episode might like pick up
from.
But I think it’s like it’s
linked to kind of like how she
acts in this episode.
OK, I like it.
I’ll let it go.
OK, I’ll.
I’ll try to pretend not to care
anymore.
Just think of her as being a
little more like feral.
Yeah, OK.
I like.
It yeah, she’s a little more, I
think she looks more wild.
So I think it works like I, I
understood your rant, but I
also, I’m like, I think it’s OK,
OK.
Rant complete.
Yeah, those conversations been
tabled.
Let’s go.
Let’s move on.
Episode opens on kind of a Star
Wars ask text scrolling, saying
the Cora Wolf story while Eric
does a really cheesy narration.
And it goes on for a while, but
it is pretty funny.
It’s a video he made using stock
footage that he’s showing to the
Hammonds to just like give her
history.
But it’s it’s kind of absurd and
a really funny way.
As you would expect something
from Eric to be.
Yeah, totally.
He’s pretty funny.
Soon be sent to a special school
for geniuses.
You know, we did our own
research on Doctor Wolf, so this
was really unnecessarily fun and
great.
Bravo.
I got a little excited.
When I heard she was coming, had
a couple mountain dews, found
the stock footage website.
Don’t have a lot of friends and
here we are so.
Honest.
Yeah, pretty honest.
We learned Doctor Cora was an
early genius and worked at the
CDC until she discovered a man
who murdered and ate his family
after contracting an unknown
virus that reanimates the dead.
She then left to start her own
biotech company while searching
for here, this little this
little video ends with an image
of Sheila and her eyes just like
turn red and there’s like an
evil laugh under it.
It’s it’s really silly.
It’s like, you can imagine Eric
just coming up to her with the
video or the phone or whatever
he was using, and she’s just at
the fridge.
Like, what are you doing?
Yeah, it’s really good.
And then he’s kind of like,
yeah, maybe I should have done
that.
Yeah, like maybe that’s not the
way to end it.
I love it.
It’s really funny.
So Sheila and Joel make up
Abby’s bed for Doctor Cora,
Doctor Wolf.
She’s coming to their house to
stay there.
I didn’t realize that at 1st.
And they’re sort of talking
about like what’s going to
happen if the cure doesn’t work
versus what happens if it does.
I thought there was, this was
cute.
There’s a little nice little
touch where there’s a poster for
Australia on the wall in Abby’s
room.
And Liv Houston is from
Australia, so I’m sure that was
like intentional.
I just caught my eye.
I thought it was cute.
Yeah, that is cute.
Yeah, but back to the scene.
They have a really funny
conversation about how this is
all going to play out.
We find a Maui.
Just celebrate.
Or I keep getting worse and
before I do something horrible I
need you to kill me.
I like my plan better.
Use up our credit card miles
before they expire.
Look, I know these are tough
things to discuss, but we have
to talk about them, OK?
It doesn’t have to be heavy.
We can make a game out of it.
Like fuck, marry, kill.
Which is something we stopped
playing 20 years ago when you
chose not to kill or marry my
brother.
Yeah, well, I wasn’t going to
fuck the Charmin guy or the
Unabomber.
So babe, how would you do it?
Sheila forces Joel to admit how
he’d kill her if things get bad,
and she really isn’t happy when
he says he’d bash her brains in
with a baseball bat.
And this keeps coming through
the episode a couple of times
where she just kind of like,
can’t let him forget or like,
yeah.
I don’t blame her.
Yeah, that was a weird way to
go, Joel.
Kind of intense.
Little intense.
Right.
It’s pretty funny.
OK, so Doctor Wolf arrives and
she’s thrilled to meet Sheila.
Couldn’t care less about Joel.
She examines Sheila and she
gives them some possible causes
for what’s happening.
She’s like, could be an ancient
plague, could be a rabies
mutation.
Again, not sure that we ever
find out.
I don’t think we do.
You must.
You don’t think so?
Well, maybe.
We’ll see, don’t spoil it guys
cuz we’re gonna watch season 2
as if it’s brand new to us.
Next year, yes, yes.
Next year, yeah.
There’s a super freaky moment
where the doctor shoves this.
Like I don’t know if it’s a
needle or what it is this long
pointy stick like a.
Thick needle, yeah.
Yeah, like, almost like a
knitting needle.
Yeah.
And that’s what it looks like.
Yeah, through.
The back of Sheila’s head and
through her neck.
And that was like a really good
effect.
And of course Joel is just like,
what the fuck is this?
Yep.
She’s just, like, testing her
brain neurons or something.
Yeah.
And Joel and Sheila are both
just, like, so amazed to see the
Serbian book because she brought
it with her.
And then there’s the formula for
the cure inside of it.
But Doctor Wolf explains it’s
not actually a cure.
Sheila is going to stay dead,
undead, but it will halt her
deterioration.
So it’s, like, helpful, but it’s
not exactly what they were
hoping for.
And back in their bedroom, they
have a little conversation about
it.
I know it’s not exactly what you
wanted to hear, but it’s mostly
good news.
I’m not getting better, but I’m
not going to get worse.
It’s definitely a glass half
full situation.
We’re still going to have to
kill people, but I’m not going
to have to find a lovely way to
kill you which was causing
tension in the relationship.
It was I left open that box of
crackers you love so much just
so they’d get stale.
I feel like being undead has
made you more vindictive.
God, I love their conversations
and his voice.
Yes.
Like yeah, hit the way he says
things.
It’s very pleasing.
Yes, she like explains all the
things she loves about how she
is now and they get frisky but
she keeps biting him and kind of
alarming and like not so just
sensual ways.
Yeah, way over the line.
Yes, they go and talk to Doctor
Wolf about it, who says it’s
good that she didn’t break the
skin, but that she might be
entering a new feral stage with
kind of flowing hair.
Yeah, that makes sense.
I also like how Doctor Wolf is
like very like just logic and
actual and like it it like makes
the comedic it it helps the
comedy.
It dies and she’s I feel like
she is supposed to seem like
unfeeling about how the
information.
Divergent.
Yes, that I was actually trying
to think of a way to say that.
But yes, definitely like doesn’t
seem to like notice how what
she’s saying affects the total
bit.
Anyway, she also tells them that
she needs Serbian and bile to
finish the formula.
So they suggest the Baca, the
grandmother of the pro principal
of the high school.
And then they hope that it works
because she’s only previously
tried it on rats.
And then there’s a little rant
from Joel here.
So there’s not a cure, and the
partial cure might not even work
because we’re too late and
Sheila’s not a rat.
But the good news is I get to
make an elderly woman throw up
in a bucket, which might be a
turn on for some people, but
it’s not my thing yet.
Who knows?
The night is young.
We love it when he starts having
a mental breakdown, it’s so
good.
Absolutely.
So the next day, Eric is
assisting Dr. Wolf with the
formula in the Hammond’s
kitchen.
And Abby’s feeling, you know,
kind of useless.
She doesn’t have a role in this.
She wants to help.
She comes in wearing a karate
uniform because she doesn’t have
a lab.
Coat.
That was really good.
It’s good.
And instead, she’s given a list
of lunch items to go and buy for
them.
Like that’s her big job.
Yeah.
Joel and Sheila arrive at the
Baca’s, and they have a plan
that they’re going to get her
drunk.
But Sheila, that’s not her idea.
Her idea was to take her to
Magic Mountain to make her throw
up and Joel is like telling her
how that’s a horrible idea.
They kind of like bickering.
The baseball bat comes up again,
but as soon as that front door
opens, we’ve got our real estate
faces on and we’re happy and
saying hi.
How many different times, how
many different images of the
opening the door in their faces
do we have with the show?
Just love it, it’s so good every
time.
Yes, and the Baca is happy to
see them because they brought
some Serbian liquor and she
liked that and they also brought
her a bucket.
You mean she really liked that
empty box before SO?
She loves containers, yes.
Meanwhile, Abby goes to the same
Rite Aid where where we saw Joel
go in episode 1 and she has a
very similar encounter with the
employee Ramona.
Through their talk she Abby kind
of realizes that she’s been
selfish lately.
I feel like Joel also has kind
of like a talking to himself
moment when talking to.
Ramona is like very wise by like
just being deadpan and.
Saying she’s just standing
there.
Exactly.
Back at the Baca’s house,
they’re doing shots and Tom
Lennon slash Principal Novak is
not happy to see them there.
The Baca then makes him leave
because she’s like, you know,
have a good time here.
Yeah, Buzz kill, get out of
here.
Yeah.
And she, like, continues to try
to egg her on, to keep drinking,
but instead, she just passes
out.
She says she’s feeling sick.
They’re like pulling up the
bucket.
We happen to have a bucket.
Nope.
And then silliness continues in
the science lab.
Abby injects herself with what
they’re working on and the test
to see if it’s safe for her mom.
She kind of does it without
consulting with anybody.
Yeah.
It’s just like she’s like being
I’m being selfless and she
pretends 4 times.
She repeats this four times to
convulse just to freak them out,
to get revenge on them for
sending her out on a snack run.
But it’s like 4.
Times.
To like, is that really going to
hit them four times, Get the
back?
Looks pretty good it it does.
The last one got me.
I was like OK this it’s the rule
of three.
She pretended 3 times and now
it’s real.
Nope, she’s faking again.
Crying.
Well, four times, yes.
So Joel and Sheila decide, OK,
we’ll bring Magic Mountain to
the baca.
So they put her in a chair, like
a spinning chair.
They strap the bucket to her
face and they’re spinning her
around and it’s not really
working because she’s still
passed out.
What won’t we do?
I don’t wear fur and I won’t eat
people’s butt holes.
Yeah, we’re great.
They should name a street after
us.
And then, you know, they’re just
talking.
And Sheila wants to know if Joel
resents her, and he denies it,
but she basically goes feral.
OK, there’s that lioness hair
coming to play.
I get it now.
And she attacks him because she
wants him to admit it.
And yeah, it’s a big, like,
fight scene again.
I’m thrown off by the stunt
double because I think her hair
is just, like, way too blonde.
But Sheila stops when he holds
up a piece of broken furniture,
almost like a baseball bat.
And she gives us look like C.
And so he admits that he is
angry.
He doesn’t like all the things
that they have to do.
He doesn’t like cleaning up
after bodies and all that stuff.
And before he had hope.
Now he knows their lives are
never going to go back to the
way they were.
OK.
So he doesn’t know if he can
keep doing this, but he’s going
to try because that’s our
dedicated people.
Go online, call him a man wife
apparently.
That works.
Yeah, Sheila apologizes and she
says she will do whatever it
takes to make this work.
But thanks to Principal Novak,
the sheriff’s department’s been
called.
They arrive at the door right
when the BACA is about to be
sick, of course.
So Joel sends Sheila away.
He’s going to stay behind for
the bile.
But unfortunately, I like always
said that.
So like the sheriff’s come in
and they tase him.
Back home, Sheila tells Abby to
chain her up in the basement.
You make this note here about
California basements and movies
and shows.
Like, not really like, they
don’t really exist that much in
California.
It’s.
It’s funny because.
They do, but not as much as like
the East Coast.
But I was actually just talking
to somebody about it and they’re
like, they don’t exist that much
on the East Coast either.
And I was like, I don’t know,
every building I go in has one
like.
Yeah, I was just watching an
episode of Buffy that really
heavily features the basement
and she again, Southern
California, like, no, this is
not a thing.
Yeah, but earthquakes, guys, I
mean, like, what’s that up?
But it’s, it is funny when that
happens in shows because it kind
of takes you out of it a little
bit.
We see Joel explaining stuff to
someone who looks like a doctor,
but they don’t reveal their face
quite yet.
We see Doctor Wolf leaving the
house because there’s no bile to
be found.
And she can’t be found there
after Joel’s arrest.
So things are kind of unraveling
on that on that side.
Yeah, I don’t think it goes
anywhere.
I don’t think again, I don’t
remember, but I don’t know that
she ever comes back.
So all of this was for nothing.
I know and I don’t remember
either, but she does leave
everything that she’s working
on, including the book with
Abby.
So she they have this book that
I guess has some at least
insight.
We’ll see that next season.
I didn’t note it here, but we
see Abby like trying to call to
see if she can get a Serbian
exchange student like
immediately.
That’s.
Right, that’s funny, that’s
right.
Joel continues to Babble and we
realize he’s been committed in a
mental hospital.
I see the chained up Sheila in
the basement gets a call about a
house listing.
We hear that duck ringtone again
that.
Was a nice little call back,
yeah.
And she says hopefully by next
week, she and her husband will
be free.
It is kind of vague though.
We don’t really know if she has
any understanding of what’s
going on with Joel.
Yeah, I mean, so Doctor Cora
says like he’s been arrested.
So they know he’s been arrested,
but probably don’t know he’s
being locked up in a mental
institution.
It does seem like he’s telling
the whole story to to them to, I
mean.
It does, or at least vaguely.
And like, Sheila looks so happy
on the phone and I’m like, what?
Is she just being delusional at
this point?
Like, I don’t know what happened
at the end.
It just all seemed to get like
crazy to me in a way that I
didn’t fully follow.
Yeah.
I’m hoping when we pick up
Season 2, Episode 1, because I
think it, I think it immediately
starts at the same point.
I’m hoping it makes a little
more sense, but that’s the end.
That’s our finale, guys.
That’s the very end of Season 1.
Tomorrow’s not great for me or
my husband, but hopefully next
week one of us will be free.
Oh my gosh, we didn’t end.
Of season 1, I feel like that’s
true because we like banked some
and then now what?
We’re at the end of the end of
series season.
Yeah, our summer series.
Summer’s not.
Over yet we have some good
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So the good girl, good girl are
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She handled it with such graze
and poise.
Graze and.
Graze and voice.
Yeah, so flywear, Flywear flower
eyewear is out there.
What do we got?
We got a lot of random stuff to
talk about.
Yeah, some fun.
Some fun, fun, fun, fun.
Oh my God, some fun and random.
You’re on the you’re on the Web.
Or stop, Anne, you’re on the
Internet.
You’re on a website.
You’re on the website.
Internet.
You went on that old World Wide
Web.
You’re on the WWW all the time.
Anyway, her break up with Jamie
and the movie Grun.
Grun crazy.
No, Grun crazy.
The movie gun crazy.
Whatever.
Do I know what I’m doing?
Sort of.
Sort of kind of.
Get it up as we go.
As we go along, here goes the
Betty Moore profile.
Profile.
OK, She’s a dynamic presence.
Sorry.
She’s a Dynamite president.
Dynamite President.
I wish.
She’s a dynamite presence.
I love that so much.
I love that you pulled that out
of your little like, brain box
brain, brain box your brain.
Let’s be opening the brain box,
Tamara Davis, the director.
She recollects, recollects,
recollects.
Recollects.
Recollects, I think.
Recollects.
I don’t.
Recalls.
We we dope, we dope dive, we
deep.
Dove, that’s what I wanted to
say.
We deep dove into those like
that is a sweet a sweet dad or
dad or daughter.
Dad or daughter?
Yep, and she gets a call from
Joel explaining Shola’s
situation.
Nope, Shola, that’s their like.
That’s their ship name.
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I sure love Shola.
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I’m Anne.
And I’m Ashley and this week
we’re continuing our Santa
Clarita Diet Summer series
season 1.
All those essays I.
Was just going to say so many
essays and.
We are covering episodes 56 and
seven, so of course, if you
haven’t listened to our previous
two episodes where we talk about
all the like, making of the
show, the behind the scenes, how
Drew got involved, who’s in it,
and then episodes 123 and 4.
Make sure you go and listen to
those.
Yes, please do.
That will bring you right up to
date.
OK, so we have a little bit at
the top here, so let’s look into
our mailbag.
You’ve got mail.
OK.
This was a really nice message
that we’ve got from a long time.
Drewbie, Angela, I feel like
there’s like 3 Angela’s that are
are listeners and supporters out
there.
So I’m sorry for the confusion,
but Angela we’ve known since the
Grapevine days and she is
dealing with getting her kidney
removed soon and sent us a
really nice message and we
needed to feature her here.
So why don’t you read it?
OK, so Angela said you girls
rock.
Thank you.
I’m getting my kidney removed in
August and your podcast is going
to be my entertainment.
I have to stay in the hospital
for two to five days after the
surgery, so you guys will be my
support when I’m getting better.
Oh, I know we’re.
Happy to be your support.
I’m so sorry that you’re going
through that, but also I think
those kind of things like maybe
you’ll be healthier post this,
this yes, surgery.
That’s a good way of putting it.
Yes, like many well wishes,
thank you for always listening
and supporting us and we’re
happy to be your little health
support in the hospital.
I like that.
Yeah, we’re.
You’re cheerleaders?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Feel better, Angela.
OK.
And thanks for the message.
Let’s get into very briefly,
what’s new with Drew.
Here we go with the news,
everybody.
Very new with Drew as of today,
we are reporting this way in
advance.
But as of today, the Daytime
Emmy nominations were announced
and the Drew Barrymore Show
received four of them.
Drew didn’t get nominated for
best host, which that’s the one
she won last year, but we’ve so
that’s kind of a bummer.
But then I was like, joking with
Renata at Drew Barrymore
Brazil, and I was like, maybe
she didn’t qualify because she
had such a little screen time in
Season 6 of the show.
They’re like.
Is she a host?
I know the names.
On the show, sure.
It might be Sunny Anderson who’s
hosting the show now.
Just kidding.
OK, so they got nominated for
outstanding Daytime Talk series,
that’s the biggie.
And then some other fun ones,
Outstanding main title and
graphic design, which I thought
was cool because I do really
love their graphics.
I think they do a great job with
them.
Yeah.
There’s also outstanding editing
for, and this is for a specific
episode.
I can’t figure out which.
And then also outstanding
directing and again for a
specific episode, not sure
which.
I don’t know how to figure this
out.
Like the way the numbering works
is not like season whatever.
I tried to like look at press
releases, I like couldn’t tie it
back.
But I’m not going to give up yet
because I’m so curious.
Like which one?
Yeah, I would totally like
because I want to go back and
like watch them, right.
Like which episodes do they
consider?
It’s always interesting how,
like with the Emmys, they’re
like episodes of TV that are
nominated and they’re like
submitting that.
Like, they felt our editing was
great in this.
Let’s submit this one.
And then it got changed.
And I believe, yeah.
So if anyone knows how to figure
that out, let us know.
Yeah, we definitely want to
know.
OK, so are we ready to go back
to Santa Clarita?
Let’s get over there.
I like it there OK.
OK, so starting right at the
top, we got our we got our
boilerplate stuff up here guys.
The Headley of the episode is
Manny Man, and it was directed
by Mark Buckland and written by
Chad Ginden.
Yeah, I can do.
That’s right.
The description for the episode
from Netflix says Abby
discovered that parents can’t be
trusted, especially hers.
Joel learns that there might be
a cure for Sheila, and Dan puts
his cards on the table.
Dan.
Dan.
Fuck you ants.
Anyway, I want to say right
away, this episode, episode 5 is
definitely Timothy Olyphant’s.
Like, this is his time to shine.
Like this is where like, he’s
been so good.
But this one, I was like, oh,
this is his episode.
Like I feel like Drew’s featured
a little bit less than in the
other ones.
This is Joel’s episode.
Yeah, you’ll have to point out
when there are specific things
like this is one of the things.
I mean, it’s probably the whole
time.
I don’t want to keep saying he’s
so funny.
I want you to say that because
we already probably say things
like that more than we realize.
It’s so funny.
He’s so funny.
Absolutely.
OK.
Should we dive in?
Yes.
So once again, just like the
last episode, this one opens on
the storage unit.
Someone’s opening the door, but
this time, instead of Sheila,
it’s her daughter Abby.
And she was going in to see her
dad’s old motorcycle, which she
found out was in storage there.
But unfortunately, while she’s
in there, she hears the humming
of the freezer.
Goes and checks.
It out and she discovers the
body of Sheila’s recent victim
from the car crash.
So they’ve been hiding it from
her.
Meanwhile, Joel goes to the
principal’s house to approach
the grandmother about the
Serbian artwork that he found
that kind of seems to depict
what Sheila’s going through.
I don’t like, it’s not worth
pulling an audio clip.
But there’s this really funny
running joke about he brings
doughnuts.
He thinks they’re Serbian, but
they’re Polish.
And she’s like, pissed off.
And she’s like, but she just
wants the box.
She’s like, don’t throw away the
box.
I can use the box.
Yeah, it is really silly.
And then later they’re Tom
Lennon comes in eating one that
had been thrown on the line
like.
Someone left Donuts outside.
Yeah, it’s pretty good.
Anyway, we went on about that
more than we meant to.
Good video.
OK, so the principal’s
grandmother gets very flustered
when she sees these prints.
She translates that.
The first one says man eat man
to live.
Hey, there’s our episode title.
And she says it’s a story that’s
told to children to scare them
about a village named Posica
that has everyone in the village
turned into man eating monsters.
And then this.
I know.
And then the second print, she
says translates to without cure,
man will die.
And she says that the cure is in
this very old rare book.
And then before they get any
further, Principal Novak comes
home and is not pleased to see
Joel after.
He’s very scared of these this
family at this point and
basically kicks about.
Yes, yes.
So this there’s now this like
hunt for this very old rare book
that she’s like literally saying
the cure is in.
And one thing I don’t remember
about like this season or future
seasons is like the lore of what
is happening to Sheila.
Like I don’t remember what is
going on or if how much we even
find out.
I think that they go into it a
little bit more, even slightly,
because I remember that there’s
like another expert that comes
in at some point.
I feel like, OK, I mean, we’ll
get into that.
I guess one other thing I wanted
to say because you pointed out
the grandmother is played by
Grace Zabreski, who was Laura
Palmer’s mom or yeah, mom in
Twin Peaks, and she’s so
memorable in Twin.
Peaks, Yeah.
I was like, whoa, why do I know
that face?
And like, I was scanning all her
credits.
I was like, oh, it’s definitely
Twin Peaks.
Yeah, absolutely.
Just kind of gives you that
creepy vibrate.
Oh, totally, totally.
OK.
So back at home, Joel fills
Sheila in and shows her another
print he found online of the
same book that looks like some
someone taking a cure.
It’s literally like a picture of
someone, like drinking
something.
I think this one shows someone
taking the cure.
Do you really think there’s a
cure?
Yes, the Baca said so.
Chewbacca.
No, the Baca, Baca is
grandmother in Serbian.
I’m learning so much.
OK, there’s an example right
there of him being hilarious
already.
Yeah.
And it totally like I think
we’ve said it before, but his
like over excitement is so
perfect for this role.
Absolutely.
So Sheila is not really as
excited about the cure as Joel
is because she’s felt so
energetic and confident lately.
Like she’s talking about how
like, literally she’s never felt
better.
But Joel found a guy online
named Anton who claims to have a
copy of the book, and he’s like,
determined to find this guy.
I think this is the maybe expert
that I’m thinking of.
OK, that makes maybe.
Sheila tells him, tells Joel to
take the day off and relax
because he’s like being super
manic and he absolutely is.
He’s kind of gone over the top
and nuts, but who wouldn’t in
this?
But I love it.
Yeah, it’s perfect.
He does it so perfectly.
So good.
OK so Abby goes to tell Eric,
her neighbor friend, about her
discovery that her mom is eating
people because up until this
point like they kind of were
lying and saying she was just
going to have raw beef and
stuff.
Eric tells her that’s how the
undead roll and her mom is like
not telling her because she’s
clearly just trying to protect
her.
Abby mentions that she has to go
cover for her dad in an open
house.
And of course, Dan overhears
this.
And of course he wants to know
what’s wrong with Joel sticking
his big nose in everybody’s
business.
Dan.
So he’s like, I’m gonna head
over and talk to Joel, but he’s
not going to talk to him about
the ants.
Nope.
It’s not gonna be that kind of
conversation.
Nope.
Joel and the other cop neighbor
Rick, are stoned and just like
jamming in the garage.
It’s kind of adorable and
really.
Funny, here’s the thing.
It’s not the garage because
there’s a whole point later on
in a different episode that they
don’t have a garage.
So I guess it’s a garage they
turned into a Home Office and
also has like musical
instruments.
In it, I guess so.
I guess so.
I guess so.
I just realized, yeah, there’s a
whole thing later about that.
I added the garage wasn’t even
in the notes but I think it
feels like the garage it does
right?
I think it does OK so.
Joel asks Rick, this cop, to run
a search on Anton, this guy he’s
trying to find who has this
book.
And of course, Dan, just like,
walks into the house, just walks
in and is really obnoxious.
Of course he is.
Side note, there’s a really cool
picture of Drew on the wall and
it’s really hard to see.
So you took a screen cap and.
Zoomed and I.
Think you’re totally right.
It looks like it’s from the
movie premiere scene in
Charlie’s Angels Full Throttle.
Like the makeup color looks
exactly the.
Same.
The shoulders.
Very confident.
The shoulders, the earrings, the
hair.
It’s so like, Why, yeah.
So why?
Why would this be the photo that
they put up on the set?
It’s so interesting.
And what if like Chris Miller
took that picture and he just
like provided maybe I don’t.
Know I mean I was just going to
say it looks personal because of
the way it’s taken and like
definitely like I don’t we I
guess we’re so curious about
that whole process like how does
a production go about getting
pictures for production and like
we’re.
Like the only people that think
about these things, but there
have to be other.
People for the people whose job
it is, and they’re like hell
yeah, someone’s noticing, yeah.
But yeah, we’ll definitely share
a picture of that in the episode
gallery.
I also always remember noticing
that there’s like a Bed Bath and
Beyond coupon.
Yes, I noticed that.
Just saying.
Yeah, it’s so funny.
So Rick leaves and then Dan
pulls a finger out of his
pocket.
But do we see him find in the
last episode?
So Gary’s finger.
One of the last ones.
He found it in the backyard of
Joel and Sheila, and he totally
just like threatens Joel.
He’s got this thing literally
above his head.
Is this finger he found in his
yard?
OK, so over at the open house,
Abby is helping and she’s mad
that Sheila is faking the smell
of baking cookies in that
kitchen.
Old realtor trick makes the
house smell like home.
Why not just bake cookies?
Because they’re messy and I
happen to believe Americans get
enough sugar in their diet.
But this is a lie.
It’s not a lie, it’s a trick.
What’s the difference?
Spotify.
What’s your problem?
I wanted an honest cookie, mom,
and you’re giving me a nose full
of hypocrisy.
What, like you’re so perfect who
skipped school last week?
That’s what I should have said.
I love the parenting moments
like I just find them so true.
Yes, of course you relate.
She’s like, I had a better
comeback than that, but all
right, damn it.
But obviously, Abby’s not
actually mad about the lying
about the cookies.
It’s about everything else that
everything lied to.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yes, totally.
OK, So Dan tells Joel that he
ran the Prince on this finger.
He knows it was Gary’s.
He knows Gary has disappeared.
And he knows that Joel has
reason to want to kill Gary
because of when Gary was rubbing
up on Sheila at the bar.
And Dan tells Joel, hey, you’re
going to be my friend now.
And you know what I need you to
do, friend?
I need you to go kill someone
for me.
Our first evidence that this guy
well, we already knew he sucked.
Yeah, I know he sucked, but now
he’s like going into really
moral territory.
Yeah, exactly.
So back at the open house,
Sheila is giving a couple of
tour when Joel bursts and
screaming.
Sheila.
I’m in the living.
Room, we’re fucked.
With.
Clients.
Hello, hard in my language.
We just have so many bids coming
in.
I’m Joel Hammond.
Have you been upstairs to check
out the multi directional spray
shower system?
Not.
Yet.
Well, get up there.
I know I said it in the last
episode, but everything where
they’re like covering, you know,
they have to like quickly change
what they were saying or they’re
lying or what?
It’s just so good, so good.
It’s.
It’s like the writing is great.
It’s really great writing.
And obviously we love the people
that are delivering it.
How many times can we say that?
I mean, I know not enough.
So of course, Joel updates
Sheila on the situation.
You know that Dan found this
finger and you know, it’s now
like they’re on alert about
what’s going on.
And so I like, I like that
Sheila says that Dan’s sexist
for assuming that the man would
have killed Gary versus her.
I love.
That I love that, too.
Yeah.
I would have done the same
thing, Sheila.
Yeah.
Dan wants Joel to kill a drug
dealer who keeps getting off for
murder, and they’re freaking out
about it, of course, before Abby
comes in and interrupts And
again.
Brilliant comedic covering by
the two of them.
They’re all smiles when they see
her and as soon as she walks
away they’re looking at each
other with like freaked out
face.
Yes, it’s great.
And they’re like.
It’s so good.
I think the.
Like sort of like I wanted to
say vaudevillian, but like the
theatrical, like their faces are
very almost like silent film,
you know?
Yeah, You know, it’s interesting
though.
Like we we always talk about
Drew being like this ham and
like, but I don’t feel like it’s
the same.
No, it’s not hammy.
Yeah, it’s different.
Yeah, like me saying like
vaudevillian even doesn’t feel
right.
Like it’s like exaggerated, but
it’s but it’s like.
Realistic at the same time,
right?
Yeah, I’m with you.
I.
Mean she’s a clown and she loves
being a clown.
Now she’s a cannibal clown.
Yes.
So on the drive home, they’re
being totally weird again.
You know, they’re trying to talk
like we’re a normal family.
And they send Abby out to get
one of their real estate signs
so that they can talk privately.
Maybe we should just keep
driving, go home, get some
clothes and just never come
back.
Well.
That’s crazy.
We can’t just run away.
Where would we go?
We have so much equity in our
house.
I didn’t think about the equity.
I’m a monster.
These are the little, like, the
fantastical in your backyard
like Drew talks about.
It’s like the crazy shit is
that’s happening to them.
That’s not real.
But all these, like, real life.
Yeah.
Things that get put in at the
same time.
It works so well.
Totally.
Sheila’s trying to put a
positive spin on the situation,
like, hey, Dan’s doing us a
favor, we need to kill people.
But Joel does not want to be
Dan’s hired assassin, which is
very smart.
So Sheila offers to just do it
herself, but he insists on
helping her.
Of course, it’s kind of.
This is like a.
Yeah, reoccurring.
Yeah, reoccurring theme in the
show.
OK, I get it, you don’t want to
do this.
Thank you.
Which is why.
I’m happy to do this myself.
You have been doing so well with
your research and your
bookstores, and I’ve been doing
well sneaking up on people and
killing them.
We both have our strengths.
What a team.
With your research in your
bookstores, yeah, so good.
And she’s like, is really trying
to be complimentary, of course,
but it’s really cute.
And actually I just kind of
realized it reminds me a little
bit of when in Fever Pitch when
her character like, kind of
makes a deal with Jimmy about
like, you do your baseball thing
and I’ll do my work thing.
You’re right, it is kind of like
that.
Like, in a way I see it.
You know what I’m talking about.
Yep.
So Abby goes to her friend Eric
to vent about the lying her
parents are doing and how much
she totally wants to call them
out for it.
There’s a funny moment where he
tries to kiss her, which really
doesn’t go well.
He somehow kind of makes her
think that he’s like testing
her.
It’s kind of a funny moment, but
it’s cute.
He’s like, see.
You didn’t want to tell me you
didn’t like it because you’re
trying to spare my feelings and
that’s what your parents are
doing for you.
He’s so cute.
He’s so cute, but of course I’m
like, yeah, shoot your shot,
man.
Yeah.
So Joel and Sheila look at the
mug shot in the rap sheet for
their target, Loki.
This is the drug dealer guy that
we’ve been talking about that
Dan wants them to deal with.
They plan out everything they
need to carry out the murder.
Sheila admits that the kill is a
total rush for her.
Do we bring a weapon?
I’m the weapon.
Somebody’s cocky.
I have the element of surprise.
No one expects a tiny realtor
lady to jump on their back and
RIP out their throat.
Besides, there’s something I
enjoy about the kill.
Really.
Yeah, it’s like a rush.
It feels like I’m giving my body
something it needs in an intense
and powerful way.
Oh.
I like how her voice changed
too.
Me too.
It gets like I’m the weapon.
Yeah, yeah, I really like that
too.
And even though Sheila says
she’s the weapon, Joel sneaks a
knife along as well.
OK, so over at Lokis, who is
this huge dude who’s just
casually peeling an apple with a
gigantic hunting.
Of course, when they when they
knock on the door again, they’re
like little cheerful appearances
at doors is really becoming one
of my favorite things because
it’s like hi fake acting
together.
And I think it’s perfect that
the realtor is like I think it.
Yeah, genius.
Genius.
It’s so perfect.
So they have this whole cover
story about how his apartment
building is gonna be purchased
by a developer, and they’re
gonna offer him a cash
settlement to forgo his lease.
It’s like the great cover.
Good job, guys.
And then this physical comedy of
them getting into their like,
murder plastic Ware when he’s in
the other room is so good.
And then he’s like, what the
hell is this?
And they cover with this lie
about inspections and the air
ducts need to be checked.
Like the faces that Drew is
making in that scene.
Oh my God, it’s just hilarious.
That definitely like these
moments definitely teeter on
like clown.
For sure.
Yeah, very close, right?
Yeah.
After Sheila attacks him, Loki
stabs her.
But of course, or she’s like,
totally fine.
And they continue to have this
huge fight.
This this stunt double did a
better job looking like Drew.
Yeah, I got to say, I was
watching for it.
And Joel’s, like, struggling
with his pants in this plastic
to get out the knife.
He’s not doing a very good job.
No.
And he’s like, he has an
opportunity to, like, stab Loki,
but he doesn’t.
And Loki just, like, casually
walks out.
So they drive around looking for
him.
They’re not having any luck.
And Sheila’s starting to be
worried she might have bit him
and that maybe he would become
like her.
Where’s that going to go?
Maybe.
And meanwhile, Joel’s feeling
embarrassed because he wasn’t
able to like, help and kill
Loki.
And he says like, you’re like
Batman and Robin, and I’m like
Alfred.
I couldn’t do it.
Oh, honey.
It’s OK.
No, it’s not.
Sometimes I feel like you’re
Batman and.
Robin is important.
I was going to say, I feel like
you’re Batman and Robin and I’m
Alfred.
It’s good.
It’s really good.
OK.
And then we’re wrapping up this
episode.
So the next morning, Abby sees
blood on her mama’s briefcase
but doesn’t say anything about
it, just, like, wipes it off.
And then the episode ends with a
motel housekeeper knocking on a
door and discovering a hotel
room full of vomit, just like
Sheila’s and Loki quote, UN
quote, dead in the bathroom.
And of course, the episode ends
with his eyes popping open.
We got another zombie here.
We.
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All right, so episode 6 is
called Attention to Detail.
It was directed by Craig Zisk
and written by Leila Kohan
Michio and the description is
Joel and Sheila try dividing up
tasks, Eric and Abby stumble
onto something big, and Dan
learns that a realtor can only
be pushed so far.
So two days after Sheila and
Joel’s botched attack on Loki,
they’re sitting outside of his
building and she’s still trying
to convince herself that she
didn’t bite him.
I didn’t bite him because if I
had, I’d have gotten the tangle.
Right.
In my vagina.
No, I got it that.
First moment when I tear into
living flesh is like.
Totally up to speed, honey.
He’s like, that’s probably
really grossing him out right
now.
Yeah, and Joel still dealing
with feeling like less than
manly for not killing Loki
himself.
And Sheila’s convinced that Loki
skip town that like, you know,
with this attack and everything,
whatever, he’s gone.
That’s she’s just convinced
herself they discussed that
day’s BBQ with the neighbors and
this is funny.
Joel asks.
You clicked yes on the evite
Yeah.
And this, this new like social
wants to have fun, Sheila like
of course she did.
Good point.
I don’t know, maybe she did it.
Before.
No, I agree.
I think this is the new Sheila.
Sheila thinks that they’re
totally fine and no one will
ever know they were at Loki’s
house.
And then the camera pans to one
of the real estate pens right
under Lokis Couch.
With their name, their like
their company they work for,
phone number I’m sure.
Yeah.
Maybe even their picture.
No, maybe not their picture.
That would be really funny
though.
OK, so over at Lisa and Dan’s
for the BBQ, they’re feeling
very awkward It they like come
in, they’re like hi, hi.
And you know, Joel says like a
small talk harder for you ever
since we started killing people
and they’re like, like, which
makes sense.
You know, it’s kind of also what
Abby’s going through or she’s
like, going to school feels real
pointless.
Right, right.
Yeah.
So Joel tells Dan that he took
care of Loki.
We’re all good, man, we’re done.
And then Dan’s really pumped and
tells him they have something
else to discuss.
Dan is never going to be
satisfied.
Meanwhile, the neighbor where
ladies are all chatting about
their marriages and Sheila tells
them that Joel’s feeling
inadequate because she’s better
at bowling.
Yeah, that’s at bowling than he
is.
They think it’s like a sex
metaphor.
Yeah.
And as she was talking to them,
she realizes her pen is missing
and she’s freaking out.
Freaking out.
About that, I’m glad that it
comes back soon because I was
like, how would they realize one
of these pens that they probably
have many of us missing?
Right.
But they bring it.
It’s like pretty quick.
That specific purse, she knew it
was in there.
Yeah.
Abby and Eric have this awkward
but cute little talk, you know,
post kiss that didn’t work out.
Yeah.
And Abby’s like, let’s go do
something else.
So it turns out that Dan has
another scumbag that he wants
Joel to kill.
Great.
So now he is Dan’s hired
assassin.
And over in the garage, Abby
goes through Dan’s other weird
like gadgets and shit that he
has.
And Eric’s like super nervous.
And they discover a secret
closet full of illegal shit.
So there’s like guns, drugs,
cash.
Oops.
What dans a crooked cop?
No big surprise, right?
Not really.
And Abby takes $1000.
She wants to take 20.
But Erics like he will notice
that.
Yes.
And he’s so nervous the whole
time.
Like I just, I feel so bad for
him because she is like bringing
something good to his life, you
know?
But he’s also just so
uncomfortable.
He doesn’t want to do anything
bad, and he’s kind of always
trying to like, make things that
are bad less bad.
Exactly.
I think they’re good.
They’re actually really good for
each other in that way, right?
Like.
OK, so back home again, Sheila
is frantically searching her
briefcase for this pen.
Did you have a problem?
I know I can’t find my pen.
I’m going to say my problem’s
bigger.
Bigger than I left my pen with
our names on it at Loki’s
apartment.
Damn it, why can’t we ever have
one?
Easy fucking day I.
Know.
I know and Sheila is into the
idea of killing this new guy
because she said her freezer
meat is almost done and thinks
of this as Dan helping them.
I mean, I like the perspective,
but it is funny.
Yeah, eternal optimist.
Maybe we need to change our
perspective.
On this, maybe Dan is working
for us and he’s like our little
truffle pig, just leading us to
tasty morsels.
Does that count as a Drewism?
I sort of feel like that’s why I
felt like I had to put it in
because it’s so like feels like
that there are a couple Sheila
lines that have that feeling to
them.
Yeah, I wonder if she had any
input.
Yeah, makes sense why she was so
into the character though, too.
Yeah.
So right after this, Sheila
shows off her new pink kill
poncho.
It’s.
Like, hey, why not?
It’s really cute.
And then she just sends Joel off
to go get the pen.
She’s like you deal with like go
into his apartment sneak.
You can do this.
Here, honey, you have a big job.
Yeah, this is a big job that you
need to deal with.
Go take care of this, yeah?
So Abby is trying to convince
Eric to spend that $1000 on like
nerdy movie props at the comic
book store because he deserves
to be happy.
And he says that all he really
wants is to make Dan feel small
and stupid.
And this stuff with Eric and
like this like emotionally
abusive stepdad, It’s really
sad.
Like, I mean, it’s setting us
up, right.
We of course, this whole time.
But like, it’s, it’s real.
Like, it’s.
I just feel for this kid so
much.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So Joel, like, preps Sheila for
her big kill.
Here you go, honey.
You can do this.
He still doesn’t really feel
like he’s holding up his end of
things.
This is literally happened in my
house this week.
So he she asks him to go get
toilet paper on his way home.
It’s like literally happened to
us this week.
And I was like, oh, my God.
We’re Joel and Sheila in my
mind, except I wasn’t off for
killing somebody.
Of course.
I totally forgot that the sex
trafficking son of a bitch that
Dan wants her to kill is played
by Ryan Hansen.
I forgot to.
I know as soon as his face came
up I was like, what?
I love him ever since Burning
Love.
I I turned you on to that show,
right?
Yes, I was familiar with him
before, but that is a true like
oh personification of how funny
he can be I guess, right?
And that is the show that I
like.
I’m like, that is the most
underrated, hilarious show.
I always tell people, you’ve
never heard of this.
You will recognize every single
hilarious person in it.
It’s so good.
Like, go watch it anyways.
He plays a guy named Blaze and
it’s you hear his name all the
time and it’s hilarious.
It’s so funny, Blaze.
So she lives in the parking
garage.
She sees him, her victim, and
she’s like pep talking herself
in the car.
I can do this alone.
And then immediately she
accidentally honks the car horn
and has to like, Crouch down the
hide.
They’re just, they’re not really
good at this.
You know, not great at it.
So Joel goes into Loki’s house
and I was like, oh, he looks
really cute in that hoodie like.
He does.
I love when Jason wears A
hoodie.
I’m like hi cute.
I don’t know what it is I like
about.
It I like hoodies too.
And instead of the pen, Joel
finds Loki’s snake.
So that’s fun.
And then some of Loki’s friends
just walk in.
And of course, Joel, he
immediately tells them his real
name.
And then he’s like fuck.
And then later he tries to
backtrack and he’s like, OK,
I’ll be honest, Joel isn’t my
real name.
It’s Buck just so, so mad at
this.
It’s so silly.
But the friends are not buying
Joel’s cover story about trying
to buy cocaine from Loki.
And they’re like, you’re not
going anywhere.
So now Joel’s stuck with these
people.
Yep, for now, Abby and Eric bury
a flash grenade in Dan’s garden
and had like a cute moment.
They’re like, they’re like
trying to say like, I think
she’s like, oh, you want to make
him Yelp?
Because he had just like, done
something to freak out Eric and
like, made him like, yeah, he’s
like, that’s not manly or
whatever he says to him.
Toxic masculinity.
So they put this flash.
Grenade because Dan, like, loves
his garden, so they know he’s
going to be out there with his
shovel.
But it’s also a cute moment
between them, this bonding
moment between them.
Yeah, Sheila, like runs around
the parking garage in this pink
kill poncho.
I’m sorry, I don’t want to
interrupt you.
I’m just looking at the picture
of her and she’s.
So funny.
Oh my God, this is like a
perfect opportunity to say like
go look.
I mean, I guess if you’re
watching the episode, obviously
you’ll be enjoying the pink
poncho, but I’m guessing we’ll
probably put a screen cap
because it’s such a hilarious.
I’ll have to it’s.
So funny.
Oh my God.
Cute little Drew.
So Sheila and her pink poncho’s
about to pounce on the guy and
uh oh, turns out the dude is the
guy who her neighbor Lisa’s
having an affair with.
Whoops, I guess.
Santa Clarita is a pretty small
town, huh?
Guess so.
And Bob says he’s a pediatric
oncologist, which confuses
Sheila because she’s just gotten
this other information.
So yeah.
It took me a second to
understand.
Like, so wait, he’s a totally
good guy.
This was all a lie.
Why did Dan do this?
Because this guys having an
affair with his wife.
Yeah, got it.
Yeah.
And they don’t make that
explicit, no, which is kind of
interesting.
Well, I guess you’re just
supposed to be smart enough to.
To figure that out.
It took me a minute, right?
Joel is chatting with one of
Loki’s friends who were kind of
keeping him hostage and she says
having her man around when she
does dangerous stuff makes her
feel better.
And of course that gets to Joel.
The friends guy Marcus arrives
and punches Joel in the face and
then he spots the pen that he
was there to retrieve under the
couch right before passing out
from getting punched in the
face.
Hey, there’s an upside, yeah.
There’s an upside.
It’s there.
Back at home, Sheila’s just like
stress cleaning, and she’s so
relieved when Joel arrives
because she hasn’t been able to
get a hold of him.
He says when he woke up at
Loki’s, his money, his phone and
his clothes were gone.
So he’s wearing.
Is he wearing Loki’s clothes?
I think so.
So good.
And Sheila tells Joel, like, I
actually do want you there when
I’m doing these things, and he’s
feeling the same way.
And it’s just a very sweet
little marriage moment.
Yes, this is a good moment.
And I hated being there without
you.
I was wrong.
I don’t want to do this alone.
It was like when I gave birth to
Abby.
I did the messy parts, but I
needed you to get me through it.
You’re never going to be alone
again.
As much as I complain about
Loki’s friends, they made me
realize I want to be there for
you.
I love that.
Thank you Loki’s friends.
No more doing things separately
for now on we fuck everything up
together.
Good.
So cute.
It’s so cute.
I want them to fuck everything
up together.
High school sweethearts.
Yeah, we’re almost at the end of
this episode, so we kind of flew
through this one.
The next day, Joel stops by
while Dan’s digging in his booby
trapped garden and Joel tells
Dan it’s over and he will turn
him in if he threatens him
anymore.
And this turns real quickly.
Dan is a total ass and threatens
to arrest Sheila and Joel in
response hits him in the head
with a shovel.
Oh no.
And then he falls on top of this
grenade thing, which doesn’t
actually like, do much except
for like, smoke under his butt,
which is actually kind of funny.
Yeah, but I was like, what was
the point?
Was it just to give Abby and
Eric something to do?
Like it doesn’t have any follow
through.
Like I thought that the grenade
was going to like, come into
play with Dan’s murder, but it
doesn’t.
I mean, I think that they say
it’s like just, it’s like a type
of grenade that’s just for show.
Yeah, it’s like was going to
flashlights or something.
I think it was just going to
like spook him.
I get that but like why did we
need it in the show?
Because it didn’t end up playing
a part in his death, which.
I thought maybe because it was
like it almost like Eric almost
got him, you know, I don’t, I
don’t know.
It does plant him in that place.
And maybe it was just for the
funny gag of it, like almost
look like he’s farting smoke,
like, oh, I think maybe.
That’s my mind.
Didn’t even go there.
Yeah, I feel like that.
Like for me, I was like, OK,
that’s silly.
Yeah.
Should we start episode 7?
Like we’re going through these
so fast.
I’m getting a little sad
actually.
I know they’re short episodes
too, like short but sweet.
OK, episode 7 strange or just
inconsiderate.
This episode was directed by
Lynn Shelton, who I’m familiar
with because I’ve been a fan of
Marc Maron for many years and
they were partners when she like
suddenly passed away in 2020.
And so like, I, I like when I
see her name, I feel this like
pang of like sadness for Mark,
like Anne because she seemed
like she was really sweet.
When I saw her name.
I was like, oh, I like, kind of
was like surprised because I, I
don’t know if I’ve like, anyway,
I don’t know if I’ve seen other
work of hers.
So rest in peace.
Lynn Shelton, written by Ben
Smith, and the description for
the episode is with the cops
looking for Dan.
Sheila dines on the evidence,
but that’s a lot of evidence.
Meanwhile, Joel stops to smell
the coffee.
All right, and this is I had to
know the highest rated season 1
episode on IMDb.
So people people rated this one
higher than any other.
Oh, that’s cool.
Fun little thing to know.
So the episode opens on the
neighbor Alondra.
That’s Rick’s wife and Sheila
just having girl talk in the
Hammond’s kitchen.
Right away.
I noticed that Drew is blonder
and Tanner here, so I can see
that like evolution that Deb was
telling us about Deborah Ferullo
who did her makeup and Drew
looks so.
Pretty in this episode, like I
know I said in in episode 1 I’m
like, I don’t really get why
she’s supposed to be frumpy
here, but there is definitely a
difference between see episode 1
and how she looks in this one
like it’s it’s happening.
Even though she looks beautiful
in all of it, Yeah.
Of course of.
Course, yeah, they definitely
make the evolution like visible
if you’re especially when we’re
like looking for it.
Totally.
Meanwhile, as they’re chatting
in the kitchen, Sheila sees out
the window that Dan’s body is
being pushed over the wall into
their yard by Joel.
I love the reaction as this is
happening.
I’m just going to like play her
cover up.
It’s funny.
Girl, we’d go there and play
kites.
Oh fuck, I fucking love kites in
the fucking sky amongst the
fucking clouds.
You’re unusually passionate
about kites.
That’s awesome.
And the first, oh fuck of
course, was her seeing the Bobby
get dropped.
Yeah, and so she kicks Alondra
out of the house because now
we’ve got can’t we have one
easy.
Day.
No, no, we have no.
Problem to deal with.
So Joel’s going to come and
explain what happened here with
Dan.
What happened?
I killed Dan.
I thought you were just going to
talk to him.
Negotiations broke down, so I
hit him in the head with a
shovel.
Oh my God.
It just happened.
He was threatening to send you
to jail and saying mean things
and you kind of had to be there.
Come on, grab his leg.
Say mean.
Things.
You gotta had to be there.
Sheila appreciates how sweet and
gallant Joel’s being for wanting
to protect her, but also has to
point out he’s always so worried
about her acting impulsively and
oh, here we go.
She’s like.
Interesting.
And you don’t even want to eat
him.
Joel and Sheila plan what to do
with Dan’s body while also
having funny marital bickering
about the garage being their
Home Office.
Like whose idea was it?
Who uses it?
That’s.
What I was talking about, like
if we had a garage that was
actually garage, we could pull
our car in there and get rid of
his body just perfect.
Yep.
Joel picks up a trunk from the
storage unit and they put the
body inside.
He kind of makes a joke about
stealing his watch and asks.
It’d be weird.
It’s funny, but his body
unfortunately breaks through the
bottom of the trunk like pretty
much immediately and then
there’s a knock at the door.
OK.
On 3123.
Shit shit, let’s not answer.
It it’s Rick.
He knows we’re home, our cars
are out front because we don’t
have a garage.
Fuck you.
That’s helpful.
Guys, open up.
I got news about Dan.
How can there be news about Dan?
I just killed him an hour.
Ago.
Well, now if we don’t open the
door, we’re really going to look
suspicious.
I’m teres little thank you.
That does not sound like
anything she has ever done in
her life.
I was cracking.
So funny.
It’s so different for her.
Yeah, it’s like she was only
putting on a voice of some kind
that is not like her.
But I love it Rick.
It’s Rick at the door and he
says he has news about Dan.
So they decide to open the door.
And again with their lying and
covering up.
Always so funny.
This scene is really funny.
Oh Oh my God, you took a
screenshot of one of the like
the most silly parts.
So.
But Rick shares that Dan’s
partner came to pick him up and
he’s suspiciously missing.
Of course they knew this, but
they have to act surprised.
Like immediately.
Yeah, like it just happened and
they’re already screwed.
Yes, and the body is around the
the corner from them and they’re
kind of like hiding.
She’s like hiding it with her
body at one point and then she
like goes and gets something for
him.
I think he wanted water and she
like goes and get some water and
then as she’s walking back, the
body releases gas.
So it sounds like something
farts.
Drew saying that to almost like
doesn’t sound like for her, like
it’s.
Not like her at all.
So sorry about that.
All.
Me, I farted.
I did that.
I farted, I did that but all.
Of it alone is maybe why this is
the highest rated episode of
season 1, because it’s I was
dying laughing just then.
Oh my gosh.
Bringing this up and trying to
distract him from looking the
direction of the body that’s now
falling over into visible
totally.
So yeah, that’s that’s so silly.
Before leaving, Rick shares that
he found info about the guy
Anton that has the Serbian book.
And there’s some great like
parent chatter going on between
Joel and Sheila while they’re
trying to figure out where to
hide Dan’s body from Abby.
We have to stash him somewhere,
Somewhere Abby would never look.
A bookshelf.
I was going to say a dishwasher.
Maybe in her trombone that cost
her $600.
Or under the paddle board shoes
Good.
She hasn’t gone in there since
she walked in on us in the tub
together.
That was funny.
I love the kind of like, ragging
on her a little bit for all the
things that she like, ever go
like at.
Very relatable.
Very relatable, yeah.
They fill up.
They decide to fill up the
master bathtub with ice around
the body.
And Joel keeps slipping into
like, weird thoughts about
things he appreciates throughout
this episode.
They like show him like look at
a Hummingbird feeder in storage
and like bring it home.
There’s a a rainbow in the
bathroom.
I don’t remember the coffee
thing.
Is he just like saying about how
like how much he loves coffee?
He just like smells it and he’s
like, isn’t coffee amazing?
Yeah, it’s kind of in a weird
like days, so days.
Abby and Eric come up the street
and Eric’s like super nervous
about seeing Dan after what they
had planted in his garden.
And Dan’s partner, Ann, who is
played by Natalie Morales, I
know her from Parks and Rec.
That’s like the main thing I
recognized her from.
She’s in a lot of stuff.
Yeah.
So she talks to Joel and Sheila
in their kitchen and she asked
them, you know, can you please
check in on Lisa?
And she makes them pray for her
with her for Dan, which is super
awkward and, again, hilarious.
Yes.
And meanwhile Abby comes in and
she’s like, do we have any
Advil?
And she heads straight to their
bathroom.
So maybe that wasn’t the best
place.
They should have done the
dishwasher instead.
And then Sheriff Anne leaves and
Abby comes to her parents and
she is not happy that they’ve
been lying and hiding and calls
them out on everything.
And they have like, you know,
they all, it’s all out now.
It’s all out there.
All out there, no more of this
tiptoeing around it.
Yeah, Abby goes to Eric’s who’s
freaking out of the flash
grenade going off, and Abby
reassured because because Dan’s
nowhere to be found, and Abby
reassures him he doesn’t have to
worry about Dan ever again and
tells him what happened,
explains he’s gone, he’s dead.
Not great of her, but also she
kind of needs somebody to vent
to about all this and he’s the
only person she could possibly
do.
That with yeah yeah no I felt
like it was actually OK I was
like OK this this makes sense
Joel and Sheila go over to see
Lisa and the house is completely
filled with sheriff’s it’s.
Just a funny like.
Yes, and Sheila is worried again
about Joel’s weird thoughts.
Like this is like, I forget he
says something that’s very like.
Looking at the Hawaii beach and
he’s like crying.
And that’s right.
It’s like he’s just going
through it.
And they totally noticed that
Anne and her neighbor Lisa are
flirting the sheriff.
Appropriate.
Totally.
And Anne says to them that
they’ll be bringing search dogs
in tomorrow if Dan doesn’t show
up is right.
That could be problematic.
Don’t worry, Joel, everything’s
going to be fine.
We’re going to have guys in the
neighborhood all night keeping
an eye out, and if Dan doesn’t
turn up by tomorrow, we’ll bring
in some dogs to help.
Oh, you mean like therapy dogs
to cheer up Lisa?
No search dogs.
They can find a rubber glove
buried 10 feet underground.
If Dan’s anywhere around here,
they’ll find him.
Fucking dogs, they’re the
greatest.
They really are.
We should be licking them.
Maybe, Oh my God, he should be.
Licking them and then Eric goes
over to Abby’s house where Dan’s
body is and can and goes on to
tell Dan how much he sacked.
He has a moment to kind of get
some release there.
Yeah, I’m glad he had that
opportunity.
Too.
He needed it, Yeah.
OK, so Sheila decides she’s just
going to have to eat all of Dan
that night to get rid of the
evidence.
Oh, my God, This scene, it’s
been a while since the scene
was, like, pretty gross.
This one is really gross.
Yeah, it kind of is.
Yeah.
We like, there’s like a hairball
that she has in her mouth that I
was not a fan of.
But then it turns into Joel
shaving damn slaves for her so
it’s like so disgusting but so
sweet.
It leads to the most perfect,
like, you know, gallant effort
on this path.
And she’s just, like, struggling
to get through this all night.
And as the sun is rising, she
admits, like, she cannot finish
him.
And she’s feeling really bad
about the fact that she
essentially, like, brought death
into their house and made
killing seem normal.
Like, there’s no way Joel would
have hit him with the shovel
before any of this other stuff
was going on, you know?
So she has a point.
Joel gives Dan’s body this whole
speech about appreciating life
while you have it.
And then it gives them an idea.
They’ve been talking about going
to the beach this whole episode.
So it’s like, we’re going to go
to the beach like a normal
family.
But really, they’re walking out
of the house with all their
beach stuff and a cooler that is
filled with what was left of
Dan.
Perfect cover.
Sheriff Ann is like starting to
ask questions, but luckily she
gets interrupted by a discovery
in Dan’s garage, his crooked cop
stash.
So Abby had put like a lit
flashlight in there to get their
attention.
Genius love her.
And then they also so they find
the drugs, the cash, all of his
stuff, and also Gary’s finger in
there.
That worked out nicely.
Very smart.
The next day, Rick catches Joel
up on everything that was found,
including the connections to
Gary and Loki, and Sheila
relaxes in the bath but notices
that one of her toes has fallen
off.
And we get a really, you know,
perfect little Drew cussing
here.
We love it so much.
Oh fuck.
The All right, so this is our
first kind of like, introduction
to the fact that Sheila’s body
might start falling apart.
Like, I kind of forgot that that
was a thing.
And yeah, this is not good.
I think she well I won’t skip
ahead but I kind of remember how
she fixes the situation.
It’s not sustainable though from
what I recall.
No, I feel like it’s very like,
much like a Band-Aid on the
situation.
Exactly.
But yeah, this is just, again,
the great ending.
Like we’re kind of always ending
on a like, uh oh, you know,
scenario.
And so I can’t believe this.
Our next episode will be
covering episodes 89 and 10 of
Santa Clarita Diet Season 1.
And then we’ll be done.
I’m like, gosh, I’m looking
forward to next summer already
when we can cover Season 2.
It’s just been so enjoyable.
I, I, I’m so glad the show holds
up the way that I remembered,
you know?
Me too, and it doesn’t feel like
it’s as old as it is being like
a 10 year old show almost.
Is it 10?
Yeah.
Yeah, nine years.
But yeah, they made it 10 years
ago, right?
Like exactly almost.
Oh, that’s kind of a cool way to
think about it.
They made it exactly 10 years
ago, like in the summer.
So cool.
That’s why I think of it as a
summer.
Yeah, I think you were saying
that when we started that that’s
why it like for you it feels
that way because you’re always
thinking in Drew timeline.
Yeah, they always filmed in the
summers, but like we said, we’re
going to wrap up Season 1 on our
next episode and then just stick
around, guys.
And if you want to do Season 2
with us, we’ll plan on doing it
next summer.
I’m looking forward to it.
Totally.
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I’m Anne.
And I’m Ashley, and this week we
are continuing our Santa Clarita
Diet summer series and
discussing episodes 2-3 and four
of Season 1 of the Netflix show
Boo Boo Yay.
Loving this so much.
Yes.
Like, yeah, it’s such a fun
show, you guys.
I hope that you’re like
following along with us on this
journey, like watching it as
well as listening to us rave
about it.
But let’s start off with a cup
with a couple things at the top
of the show before we get in.
These are always going to be
short for our summer series,
maybe almost non existent for
some of the ones coming up, but
we have a couple of things at
the top.
So the first thing is we
accidentally said, because a lot
of press was saying this in the
research that Santa Clarita
Diet’s creator, writer,
showrunner was also the director
of the show, but he actually
didn’t direct any episodes.
So that was misleading, wasn’t?
That weird, when I was listening
back to our episode, I was like,
why do I keep calling him the
director?
And then I like saw it was like
in a lot of the media that we
are referencing.
So yeah, he’s not the director.
He’s the creator, showrunner,
Victor Fresco.
So sorry about that.
That was a little a little
oopsie daisy oopsies.
And then also we just wanted to
make sure you guys know that we
recently guested on our friends
podcast Movies That Made Us Gay.
One of the best podcasts out
there about film.
It’s one of my favorites.
I listen to it all the time.
And Pete and Scott are awesome.
We’ve had them on for our Amy
Fisher episode way back.
Oh my God, I think it was like
So weird.
Yeah.
And we went on their show almost
exactly 2 years ago to do
Charlie’s Angels.
And then we came back just last
week and we did Boys on the
Side.
So by the time you’re listening
to this, it’ll be like a couple
weeks.
So go look in their early July
episodes and go listen to that
because it was so much fun.
And Oh my God, I just love those
guys and it was such a privilege
to be on there chatting with
them.
Yeah, thank you, Pete and Scott,
for having us back.
That was so much fun.
I can’t believe it had been like
Like what is time?
What is time?
I don’t understand time.
Time don’t.
Understand time, yes, pointing
to her wrist.
OK, so we have one more small
segment, actually a couple more
small segments here.
We are going to go and check out
our mailbag really quick.
Let’s see what we’ve got.
You’ve got mail.
OK, this is like a Santa Clarita
Diet mailbag edition.
Just a couple messages that
we’ve gotten from you guys out
there since we started this
series.
I just thought it’d be fun to
talk about.
So on Instagram, we got a
message from, oh, I don’t know
how to say this.
Oh, inclusivity.
That looks right.
And they said in all caps thank
you for this.
I’m in love with this show and
none of my friends have seen it.
So yay, we get to be your
friends watching this show with
you.
Yes, that’s kind of our goal.
We also got a message from at
Drew Barrymore Rebel, they said.
I’m looking forward to listening
as you jump back in and rewatch
the episodes as you were already
laughing so much in the episode
Yes, and not to worry us
laughing weird.
No way we’d asked people like,
are you going to be watching
along with us or you know, have
you never seen it?
Have you seen it before?
So Angela said, I watched it
fairly recently, so I probably
won’t watch again now, but I’ll
definitely be listening.
This is one of my fave more
recent Drew projects.
And when she said that, I was
like, oh, that’s so true.
Like and it’s kind of weird.
Like it feels a little like, oh,
we’re bad fans or whatever.
Like, we always talk about how
the recent films and Drew’s
career we’ve seen, like, once,
yeah, like, never revisited.
You know, there’s a lot that I’m
like, yeah, take it or leave it
over the past, you know, past
many years.
But this year’s, yeah, Santa
Clarita Diet really stands out
to me as just, like, so good.
And I’m so happy to be watching
again, more so than a lot of her
like movies from the past like
Right.
I mean, I, I as we’ve been
watching this and we’re like
only part way into the, like
something that lasted a few
seasons, which is also really
exciting.
Yeah.
Is like Drew gets to be like a
comedian, like really in this
and like, in that way that I
feel like you.
I mean, sure, it’s in like a
romantic comedy kind of way, but
with this like gory sub story
that also is like that is why
she gets to be so fun because
she has like an uninhibited sort
of personnel.
I don’t know.
It’s it’s really unique for her.
Very It’s unique for any media.
True, that’s true.
It’s.
Really one-of-a-kind.
Yeah.
So it’s, it’s great that we’re
we’re glad that you guys are so
happy we’re doing it because
we’re stoked too.
Yeah.
To be doing it.
OK, let’s let’s get into what’s
new true before we go back over
to Santa Clarita.
Here we go with the news,
everybody.
Far, far away from Santa
Clarita, Drew was in Europe for
a little summer vacation.
There was like a few little
Instagram posts here and there
of people that ran into her.
But she made one public
appearance in London at a summer
solstice event for the jewelry
designer Jessica McCormick.
So it was Drew along with a lot
of other like, you know,
familiar faces.
I think Zoe Kravitz was kind of
like Co hosting this event.
So it’s, you know, it’s it’s
always fun to see her at an
event.
We talk about how, yes, few and
far between those feel these
days.
But yeah, the really exciting
part is that she was rocking a
tie belt.
And it’s like, if you know, you
know, right.
It’s like what?
Flash from the blast from the
past.
I almost said flash from the
past.
It is a blaster in the past,
like, yeah, I always think of
those.
Just paparazzi pictures of her
in 2000.
Street or whatever, the blue
shirt.
Yes, yes, exactly.
We’ll share one of those in the
gallery.
And I fully like, stole one of
my daddy’s ties to copy that in
like 2002.
I know exactly where I wore it
and everything.
I definitely was like wearing
ties and like probably dabbling
in the tie belt category as well
at the same time for sure.
Yeah.
And I don’t know that we, like,
knew this way back when, but a
couple years ago, Drew was
talking to Reba McEntire.
We’ve played this audio a couple
times on the show because she’s
talking about her dad.
And it’s just one of those
really good Drew describing her
dad moments.
But she says he wore a tie for a
belt.
And I remember being like, that
is the origin of the tie belt,
OK.
Yeah, yeah.
It’s really fun to see her
wearing it again.
And it’s like otherwise like all
white ensemble like it’s
actually it works, yeah.
I like.
It super wide leg pants that’s
like for staples for such a long
time OK are we ready to go back
to Santa Clarita and start a
diet let’s.
Do it.
Love it.
OK, we’re going to episode 2,
which is called We Can’t Kill
People.
I love all the episode titles.
They’re always like just quotes
from the episode, but they’re
like, some of them are so
random.
Of course, that’s such a fun
thing for a show like, Oh,
there’s the title.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There’s where they pulled that
from.
OK, if you guys just like a
little reminder, this is episode
We covered episode 1.
If you haven’t like listen to
the intro, we’re probably not
going to go back over all the
cast and stuff.
We’re just going to be referring
to them usually by the character
name.
Sometimes I’d slip up and say
the the actor’s name.
Anyway, love a little bit of
like information at the top.
But if you need a refresher,
either Google it or go back to
the first episode.
But I hope you’re watching
along.
You know, that’s like kind of
the goal spoilers.
This is like we’re getting into
the show and the details of the
show and what we liked.
And again, this is not a recap
of like every element of the
show.
We’re focused on Drew AKA
Sheila.
Just a reminder.
Is that worth it?
Yeah, I love it.
OK, so the episode was directed
by Ruben Fleischer.
It was written by Victor Fresco,
who was the creator of the show.
OK, so the Netflix description
for this episode says the
Hammonds try to live their new
truth.
Abby comes to a hard realization
while browsing comics, and Joel
treats Sheila to a very
expensive meal.
They’re so good.
Yeah.
I love the just like it just
hints at it.
But it does make us laugh
because every turn of the show
is funny.
Absolutely.
OK so the where we left off last
episode, Joel comes in and
Sheila is devouring the jerk
Gary that she has just killed
after he basically tried to
sexually assault her.
So we don’t care Gary, you’re
gone.
So the episode starts with Joel
digging a hole in the desert for
the remainder of Gary’s body
parts, while Sheila’s just like,
casually really talking about an
upcoming house listing that
they’re working on.
There’s a lot of that in this
show that like we’re dealing
with this life and death stuff,
but we also like have to talk
about our job with real estate.
Yes, absolutely.
I don’t know what you want to
pull with the audio for this but
I love this like ongoing joke
because they have the body parts
in a storage tub and you know
this is like this is a marriage
right here.
Yes.
It would have been nice to have
the lid.
Couldn’t find it right.
You’d think it would have been
stored with the containers.
I can look for it when we get
home, sweetheart.
When we get home, what good
would the lid be when our
container is stuffed with half a
fucking body is burnt in the
fucking desert, honey.
It’s it’s really good.
It’s really good that it kind of
comes up again, like don’t
mention the lid.
And then like she finds the lid
the next day.
It doesn’t matter.
And all of their like, you know,
ending things with sort of like
honey and a big smile.
Like it’s always like we’re
going to come back to somewhat
pretending that this is normal.
We love each other, we’re our
team.
But man, sometimes when you live
with a partner, like little
things like that are just you
got to, you got to talk about
it.
So good.
Totally.
OK, so then a car approaches and
this nasty storage container of
body parts and gore, just like
spills everywhere.
So gross.
So gross and so beautifully
done.
All over them, they’re trying to
like, shove it into the hole.
Yes, it’s really funny.
So this car pulls up and I they
turn around like OK, let’s act.
Let’s like act casual.
And I love Drew’s little like
hair flip and casual smile.
It’s just so cute.
But the car that drove up, don’t
worry, it’s just Abby and Eric
also like, crazy.
But Abby was like, we just put
that phone tracking app on my
phone, remember?
And it’s like, OK, great.
So they found them.
This is the best case scenario.
This is like, not that we want
her to be seeing what she’s
seeing, but also they are the
ones that understand.
Yeah, so Sheila basically
tearfully admits that she killed
Gary and admits that she’s a
monster, but Joel and Abby are
still by her side.
Your mom is a monster.
I ate someone and if you want me
to go away I will.
No.
One’s going anywhere.
She’s also sweet.
They’re there for her and Eric
is then like immediately they
show him helping to cover up the
the crime scene basically that’s
behind them.
Yeah, he’s like.
We probably shouldn’t be hanging
out here longer.
Got some stuff to do.
OK, so with Eric’s kind of
advice, Joel and Sheila go to
Gary’s house and they do their
best to stage it to look like he
left town.
And, yeah, they’re feeling
pretty good about themselves.
Like Sheila’s like we should be
ingenious more often.
It’s kind of fun.
Yeah.
And then there’s this really
gross but hilarious exchange.
That’s the show in a nutshell.
Super gross, but hilarious.
Yes, totally.
So let’s listen to that.
We should be ingenious more
often.
It’s kind of fun I.
Disagree.
In fact, until we solve whatever
this is, I’d like you to meet me
halfway.
At least control some of your
impulses.
I swear I did not have sex with
Gary.
I believe you.
But I did eat his balls.
Bought one of them.
Does that count as meeting you
halfway?
So gross.
And then kind of follows it up
by saying and they were tiny and
like mentions it later.
Just silly.
But again, this is like you
said, like gross.
The gross factor is what like
adds so much to this.
I think that’s like my sense of
humor.
Like if if something is like a
little grosser.
Jurors like this too.
I think you are too like.
No, I’m not.
OK, I guess I am.
I can get through it for this
show because it’s just so funny.
Yeah, it makes me laugh harder
than more.
Like, what’s the other word?
Doesn’t say like dark it is.
Yeah, the dark.
I like the darkest.
Yeah, and then their jerk
neighbor Dan, of course, he’s
basically like spying on Joel
and Sheila as they’re spraying
their lawn with the solution
that Eric gave them to remove
the blood.
So now we’re like, great, we
know he’s going to be.
Bugging them about.
It bugging them as he does, yes.
The next day, Joel finds a virus
specialist that he’s going to
meet with, and Sheila finds out
that they’re getting their house
listing back because Gary didn’t
show up.
Of course he didn’t.
And it turns out that the Range
Rover can’t be returned.
They’ve been talking about like,
it’s got to go back.
It’s too much and can’t happen.
Yeah.
The character like Sheila is
like, damn you California for
making us own such a super nice
car.
She’s like, oh shoot, what a
bummer.
And then the sweet moment
between Sheila and Joel like
quickly turns into Sheila
getting a little frisky, but
they are interrupted.
And this is just a funny little
exchange too.
We get Abby coming in the room.
I love you, Joel.
Thank you for being my husband.
I love you too, Sheila.
We’re going to figure this out.
Yeah, but later, because right
now I want to hump like a rescue
dog at a Rite Aid.
Hey, porn stars.
Oh.
God, Dan’s in the backyard
looking at our grass.
Oh, he’s taking a close look,
that nosy neighbor.
Just lets himself into their
backyard and Sheila basically
feels the way I do.
Like she’s pissed and I love
that she gives him attitude and
he’s like asking them questions
like what they were doing.
And she’s like, how about it’s
none of your fucking business,
Dan?
Love it.
It’s really good, yeah.
OK, so Joel heads to meet this
virus specialist Doctor Hasmati,
and he’s played by Patton
Oswalt.
So that’s a fun cameo.
And we get the first example of
Joel making up a fake name for
himself, Joel Wichita.
And you know, I have watched
ahead.
I’m not spoiling anything, but I
thought this happened more
often.
I think it’s coming like later
on because so far I haven’t seen
it happen again, these fake name
things, but I know it’s part of
the show.
I’ve.
Forgotten that it was.
And actually, when he said it, I
was like, is that their name?
Just, like, it totally, like,
confused me.
Yeah, genuinely.
That was his whole plan.
And Joel shares some of Sheila’s
symptoms with him.
Meanwhile, Sheila’s still at
home and she’s hungry, so she
tries to eat some raw meat, but
it’s not working for her
anymore.
And she says, oh, this is not
appetizing.
Abby and Eric are ditching
school because it seems trivial
with everything that’s going on.
And then back to Joel.
The doctors basically think he’s
crazy.
So he, like, just runs out of
there.
And Sheila calls to let him know
that she’s already at the house
listing.
And I just really like this
little moment between them on
the phone.
Yeah.
It’s fun.
What’s up?
Carl called and the buyers want
to come now.
Now what did you tell him?
To shut the fuck up.
Oh God, you got to stop saying
that to people.
He’s.
Always yelling I don’t like it
anymore.
All right, I’ll stay put.
I’ll be there in 45 minutes.
Did you eat today?
I wasn’t hungry and I’m already
at the listing.
Christ.
OK, I’m on my way.
Try not to swear to anybody.
Fuck you, I’m not an idiot.
There you go, like that.
I really like that.
Try not to swear to anybody.
Is really good.
Joel brings some more meat for
Sheila, and she admits it’s been
repulsing her since she had
Gary, thinking that maybe when
she’s had the taste of human
flesh, she can’t go back.
Yeah, they’re also kind of
hoping like, oh, maybe because
it’s not fresh enough anymore,
Maybe that’s just the only
problem.
You just need something more
fresh so that’ll come back
later.
Yes, yes, it all kind of rolls
back to that.
The buyers aren’t really
thrilled to see the Hammonds or
back instead of Gary.
If you didn’t listen to the last
episode or haven’t watched it
recently, this is the house
where she threw up all over the
place in front of them.
Sheila’s giving the buyers of
motivational speech to buy the
house.
It’s really funny.
Then they hear a rooster and
Joel looks over to Sheila,
encourages her to go see what’s
going on with this very live
bird as he describes it.
Live in fresh, fresh me, Yeah.
Yes.
We see her like attack the
rooster out the window and the
stunt work.
I was like, that is so not true.
Like it’s really obvious.
It’s also like it’s like super
far away and it’s so quick, like
it doesn’t matter.
But it also like I was like
totally.
I completely agree with you.
It was.
Jarring, yes.
Eric takes Abby to a comic book
store when she finds a comic
called Mom B.
She she like they’re in the
store for a little bit and he
the store owners being kind of
annoying and keeps saying like
unless you want to buy it or
whatever.
She ends up assaulting him
because he gets on her nerves.
She like literally tackles them
to the ground.
That’s kind of hilarious, but
also like kind of shows where
she is mentally.
Yeah, she’s going through it.
Yes, Joel and she like get an
offer from the buyers and we’re
celebrating.
But the mood is quickly dampened
when Sheila admits she couldn’t
eat the rooster.
Oh, I.
Was right.
What?
I couldn’t eat the rooster.
But I jumped.
I’m sorry, I wanted you to be
happy even for a minute.
But it was alive.
Like Gary?
Yeah.
But Gary tasted so good again,
tiny balls.
We can’t kill people, Sheila.
I know.
What if I just ate pieces of
people and then we let them go?
Nope, that’s worse.
So funny.
I just love them trying to
figure out what the hell they’re
going to do.
Yep.
And at every turn, like, no
matter how absurd the idea,
they’re like, willing to like,
what’s the storm?
Yeah, They’re like fall.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
So Jolt takes Sheila to the
morgue for dinner.
I love that they’re looking in
the window.
And one of them was like, this
place is creepy.
And the other one says, yeah,
well, so are we.
They attempt to bribe the morgue
worker for a body, and he
basically lets them leave with a
foot.
And I think this must be the
foot that Drew talked about
where she had, like, that nails
on a chalkboard feeling when she
was biting it because it was so
realistic.
That’s my God.
That’s right.
So unfortunately, it smells like
chemicals.
So she can’t eat the foot as
much as she wants to, and as
much as Joel really wants her
to.
I can’t.
The meat’s too old or something.
Come.
On Sweetie, it’s the most
expensive meal I ever bought.
That smells like chemicals.
Please eat the foot.
I can’t.
Please eat it.
Eat the foot.
Eat the foot.
Eat the goddamn foot.
He’s really struggling.
Eat the foot.
Eat the foot.
Eat the goddamn foot.
Really fun.
It’s so good.
Back at home, Joel and Sheila
are sad in bed and wondering why
this is happening to her.
She’s really like, this is not
fair.
Yeah, she misses food and
describes herself as seriously
hungry.
Joel commits to helping her kill
people so that she can eat.
And then there’s this another
sweet exchange.
I I feel like we always come
back to like their relationship
and like their like the strength
behind it.
It is like the.
Core of the show for.
Me.
The whole family, Yeah, yeah,
the whole family.
We’re going to kill people,
sweetheart.
We’re going to kill people so
you can eat them.
You don’t have to do it with me,
honey.
You’ve been Joel and Cheetah
since high school.
I’m not going to bail on you
now.
Really cute.
And I think that it’s sort of
like unveiling a little bit
about like their pissed, their
history.
Yeah, you’re right.
That’s the first time I think we
know that they’ve been together
that long.
Yeah, Abby comes in and they try
to console her about the fact
that things are never going to
be normal again.
She literally crawls into bed
with them.
It’s really cute.
And then it ends with a really
pretty shot of Drew and Profile
in bed with her family.
They keep like pulling back and
they’re all just sort of like
spooning in bed.
It’s really sweet, yeah.
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OK, let’s move on to episode 3.
And I love how this title is
just a little flipping around of
the last one.
This one’s what we can kill
people.
What do you?
Know so this was directed by
Mark Buckland and written by
Clay Graham and the description
is Sheila’s tummy is growling
and Joel needs to find her
someone tasty ASAP.
Meanwhile, Abby embraces her
inner badass and helps a friend
in need.
This is a fun one.
I like this episode a lot.
Yeah, it is.
So the episode starts the next
morning.
Well, with Sheila worrying about
Abby.
Well, Joel’s more concerned with
the murder that they need to
commit that day.
I.
Do love, like Sheila says at one
point, God, there’s so many ways
to mess up your children.
This.
Happens to be an intense one.
They kind of fuss over Abby when
she comes then and as she leaves
for the day and she wants them
to stop as she says being all up
in her B.
You really want to know how
Abby’s doing?
Abby doesn’t like that her
parents are all up in her B.
Your butt.
No, God, my business.
OK.
Well, have a good day at school.
Yeah, having a teenage daughter
is a lot of fun.
Yeah, I bet I can imagine that
us having been one.
Yeah, right.
As they get ready for their day,
they start planning that they
have to kill someone who
deserves it and also be prepared
with cleanup material.
So the kind of the next step is
them going to get that.
But you spotted something fun
here.
I’m pretty positive about this.
Drew’s doing her makeup with a
little powder puff and it’s a
flower beauty.
Old school, like the earliest
one that they had.
So it 100% is because I saw a
whole bunch more makeup on the
table.
Oh my God, had I missed that?
That’s hilarious.
I saw so the package for the
like powder.
Yeah.
So like the pocket goes with
that.
Yeah, yeah.
And I could see like, I don’t
know if it was like a like an
eyeshadow container.
And then I think she might have
been using like the mascara
might even been flower.
Oh my gosh, I feel.
Like I maybe remember that like
it does appear more than once
and I was like, but like, we’ll
see.
But I kind of feel like I was
not.
I was not surprised, obviously.
But OK, I’ll have to go back and
take a screenshot of like the
whole counter.
You see more of it, so it makes
me.
A little nostalgic, honestly.
Yeah, me too.
OK, so Sheila’s kind of throwing
out some ideas of what kind of
jerks they could kill.
What if we kill that dentist who
got that woman pregnant while
she was having her wisdom teeth
out?
I.
Think that was just a Lifetime
movie?
Yeah, those are fun.
I definitely started noticing
here and I notice it in a lot of
other episodes.
Her outfits I think really
influenced my style at that time
and I still am wearing the same
stuff like I could.
Totally see it.
Tops that she wears like flowy
like kimono style Later on this
like jeans and the hot like
wedge sandals combo.
I’m like, Oh my God, I think
this was like very formative for
my style and I’m still doing it.
This is so funny.
No surprise.
Thanks, Mona Mae.
Yeah.
And then here comes neighbor
Dan, of course, to harass them.
He’s going to bug them about
their aunt spray.
And Sheila looks as pissed as I
do.
I love it.
Now I want to know what you were
using.
Why do you do this, Dan?
I’m just asking my neighbor a
friendly question.
Well, Joel, I don’t know.
Ants away, ants be gone.
Fuck you ants.
Fuck you ants.
Fuck you.
Ants.
He is the worst.
He is the worst.
They head to the hardware store
to stock up on their crime scene
cleanup supplies when necessary.
Sheila looks over at the freezer
section and gets this idea to
freeze meat next time so there’s
no more waste.
We compost.
We, you know, like all these
things, but I didn’t think of
that.
And I love another exchange
between the two of them that is
sweet and then hilarious and
gross.
It’s here’s another one.
Frozen is the closest thing to
fresh.
What if we got a meat freezer
and put it in the storage unit
and when we kill somebody then
we can just chisel off chunks of
it when I need to eat.
No more waste.
Wow, there’s going to be
chiseling.
Sweetie, I can do this on my
own.
No going with you.
I’m fine.
Good to be.
Chiseling.
Immediately following that him
like smoking by himself in the
bathroom.
Yeah, there’s a lot of those I
didn’t know, a lot of a lot of
Joel smoking pot.
Oh, Oh yeah, Eric and Abby are
ditching class again, but he’s
trying to convince her to go to
school this time.
He’s.
Definitely always just like, oh,
I’m so uncomfortable that we’re
doing.
This, But he wants to be hanging
out with her.
He digs her a lot.
I don’t know if we said they
were ditching went to the comic
book store earlier, but they
they’re ditching again.
They run into a friend who’s
dating Cole, a 26 year old drug
dealer, and he’s played by an
actor named Matt O’Leary, who is
in Matthew Lillard’s directorial
debut, Fat Kid Rules the World.
I’d love that you pointed that
out, because if I if you hadn’t
noted that I would have been
like where the hell do I know
this?
Guy totally yeah, it’s so funny.
So our very good friend Katie
Hi, Katie.
She is like the biggest Matthew
Lillard fan.
She’s the reason I got to meet
him a couple times.
But anyway, I remember when that
movie came out, she like was
online friends with this girl
who got like freaky obsessed
with this Matt O’Leary guy and
Katie had to be like separate.
She got so weird about him.
So I always think about that
when I see this guy.
After I like recognized his
face, I remembered a picture of
Katie with him where he I don’t
know, one of them is wearing
like heart-shaped sunglasses.
I think maybe him.
I don’t remember that.
That’s cool.
But hi, Katie.
So he ends up Cole’s character.
Cole ends up dumping the friend
of Abby, and Abby decides they
should help her get back at him.
And Eric’s real nervous about
it, as you can imagine.
But he’s also like, so like,
smart that you know he can have
to figure out real clever ways
to do things always.
So Joel and Sheila go to their
storage unit to drop off the
freezer.
Well, we bought a freezer to
keep bodies in, so that’s done.
All we need now is someone who’s
evil deserving won’t be missed.
It is under 18 cubic feet.
We’re not killing my mother.
I wasn’t suggesting that, but
it’s so interesting that’s where
your mind went.
My stomach’s crawling.
And when they get back home,
they ask Rick, their other cop
neighbor, if maybe there’s any
like, horrible criminals that
live in their neighborhood, and
he’s like giving them some info.
But it turns out that sex
offenders are really closely
monitored by the police, so
that’s out.
That’s not a good idea, yes.
And then the kids come home and
they happen to be talking about
the quote, worst person ever,
this guy Cole.
And so that sounds like a
perfect candidate for them.
So Joel and Sheila immediately
go look him up online.
Happy.
Song I mean we’re.
Talking about a guy who is
literally the worst person ever.
Worst person ever.
I’m interested the.
Man is a monster.
Yeah, he’s 26 and has sex with
underage girls.
I like the sound of that.
Plus he sells.
Drugs to kids he.
Sells drugs to kids.
I swear I had no idea about that
when we started dating.
His Instagram is kid weed I
thought.
That was ironic.
They’re so excited about this
guy.
Yeah, I like, like that sounds.
That sounds good.
Yeah, for whatever they said.
They go and set up one of their
empty houses because they’re
Realtors to lure coal, too.
They answer the door, covered
head to toe in plastic wrap,
which they give.
They say that they’re repainting
the kitchen, trying to make
things look real nice.
I like how right before that,
he’s like, what are you doing?
Dyeing your hair?
And she’s like, that would be a
good excuse.
Yeah.
They’re not being at all cool or
normal.
So Joel.
Joel asks.
Can I get you a water drink?
Coal.
There is something about Timothy
Olyphant playing this like
awkward trying to be normal that
it’s just so freaking funny
every time.
I love it.
And every at every turn, he’s
having this smile of like,
they’re fine.
Right before Sheila is about to
eat coal, she gets a call about
another listing.
Again, she’s a realtor, so this
always comes back up.
And for some reason, she has the
duck quacking ringtone, which is
so scary.
Yeah.
Again, Tim is like super funny,
awkward, stalling.
I can’t remember what he’s
saying, but I was like rolling
on the floor laughing.
Yeah, he’s like leaning on the
counter, like trying to be cool
wearing the, you know, plastic
poncho.
And Cole starts talking and
turns out he didn’t know that
Abby’s friend was 16 and that’s
why he broke up with her.
And then next thing we know,
Col. and Joel, Col. and Joel,
they’re in the backyard smoking
weed together, and they
immediately start bonding.
And Joel is like literally
sharing his entire life
trajectory that like, Sheila was
a realtor 1st.
And he was just like, I forget.
Like, he was like, I played
guitar.
Not that well.
But he’s, he’s doing it in a
way.
Like, he’s kind of like trying
to sort sort of give advice to
Cole, and then he sends Cole
away because he’s had this
moment of like, he’s actually a
good guy.
Guess who’s pissed though, as
you can imagine.
Where’s Cole?
I’ve told him to go what?
He’s an OK guy and a really good
listener.
He doesn’t deserve to die in an
overpriced Spanish revival.
I leave you for five fucking
minutes and you bond with my
dinner.
We had a lot in common.
Yeah, you’re both high.
Oh my.
Gosh, Abby and her friends, they
go to Cole’s house and she puts
tear gas inside that they got
from Dan.
Eric’s stupid stuff done.
And then she runs in and
retrieves her friend’s sweater.
So now she’s feeling like a
serious badass.
Like she’s definitely like, what
does anything matter anymore?
Right?
Like my mom’s a zombie, I can do
anything I want and.
It gave me sort of like proto
Yellow Jackets vibes a little
bit and she like runs in because
she’s such a little badass at
the moment.
I love that.
So Sheila’s just like in misery.
She’s so hungry and they’re
driving around and they end up
rear ending someone and turns
out this driver is a total jerk.
So Sheila without even thinking
she attacks him.
I believe this is the moment
where behind the scenes, Drew
fell off the back of the actor
onto concrete while they were
rehearsing this stunt and she
had to briefly be hospitalized
with a like full on concussion
neck brace situation.
So that’s like freaky as heck.
I think that we.
Were reading the, like, stuff in
the first episode, Didn’t she
say something about like, she
needed to back up, back off on
the stunts because she got yeah.
So here we go.
And I think, like when you watch
the actual scene, I think it’s
all a stunt double.
It doesn’t look like Drew at all
all to me.
So maybe they’re like, yeah,
we’re not going to do that
anymore.
Yeah, we can’t.
We can’t get the shot.
You were clearly hurt.
And yeah, we can’t.
We can’t take that risk with
Drew Barrymore.
I know.
So Sheila panics when she
realizes what she did.
But Joel, like, quickly jumps
into crisis mode.
You know, he’s actually, like,
on top of it.
And he forms a plan.
And she finds that super sexy.
And then back at their storage
unit, she’s just happily chowing
down.
And Joel is going through the
guy’s wallet.
And it turns out he seems really
sketchy, Doesn’t seem to have a
family.
All right, we got a good one.
Yep, Yep.
They’re like, OK, this is
justified.
Yeah.
They realize that they, you
know, made this promise to Abby
that they’re going to start
having family dinners so they
can converse with her about her
day, you know, not lose touch
with this family thing.
Be up in her B.
Yes, they need to be up in her
B, So they need to get home to
go to dinner and they change it
to some old clothes and storage
because their other clothes were
just like covered in blood and
this needed to happen.
And so they have like clearly
old clothes on.
It’s really funny.
It’s a real good like jump cut
from like here.
We have some clothes here and
then, yeah.
Yeah, it’s like a super tight,
almost like tie dye thing on
Joel.
And then Sheila has like put
like puffy kittens.
It’s I feel like this.
I mean, I’m sure you had the
same thing where it’s almost
like a visceral like.
Oh yeah, I know, I know what
that feels like.
Early 90s, yeah, Yeah.
And the episode ends with the
family all pretending to have
this, you know, after, like,
this kind of wild day, as many
days have been recently, that
it’s normal.
They’re all just like, no,
nothing’s unusual about this
day.
Yeah, everything’s fine.
How was your day?
Boom, yours.
Good.
Did anything interesting?
Happen.
Not really.
Nope, honey.
Are you OK, Dad?
I’m good.
All right, moving on, let’s get
into episode 4.
This is the most unusual title,
The farting Sex tourist.
I was like, what could that?
Be referencing yes, and I do
like I did end up pulling a
little clip of it later just
because it was funny and I
really wanted something with one
of the guest stars in this
episode that you and I both
love.
I know where you’re going with
that.
OK, yes.
So this is fun.
So this episode was directed by
Ken Kwapis.
And if that name sounds
familiar, it’s because he had
also directed Drew both in He’s
Just Not That Into You and Big
Miracle.
So and this is like all within a
span of not that many years,
like, so you know, like 5-6,
seven years, which is pretty
cool.
So I love that.
Yeah, me too.
And the episode is written by
Michael A Ross and our
description is she inspires her
friends and insults the
principal.
Joel bonds with Abby and Dan
makes a damning discovery while
spraying for ants.
God.
Damn makes a damning the ants
they come back, but that’s it’s
useful that he’s very focused on
them.
The episode starts with the song
Good Morning from Singing in the
Rain as she goes to the storage
unit with a blender.
She’s just thrilled to get to
chiseling up the frozen dude
into chunks for some smoothies.
Very ingenious.
Obviously this is the perfect
way to hide it in plain sight.
She then takes a smoothie with
her on a power walk with her
neighbor ladies where she’s just
super happy.
And they’re like, quite like,
what’s up with you?
She starts encouraging them that
they need to like, have more fun
and live their best lives.
And they’re pointing out that
she’s changed a lot in the last
few days.
Let’s sleep.
In like 3 days or something.
She’s like a completely
different person.
Seriously, what’s going on with
you?
It’s probably my new diet.
I’ve been eating a lot of
protein.
Really.
How many grams?
All.
Of them.
Good morning to you.
Come on.
And then Joel has a little
adventure of his own.
OK, so he goes to an occult
store.
Apparently this is something
he’s been doing to like look at
books on zombies.
He hasn’t been having any luck.
But while he’s there, he
suddenly notices these like old
timey illustrations on the wall,
and they depict someone throwing
up very similarly to how Sheila
did Meatball in all.
So that’s a little.
We said don’t forget the
meatball.
Yeah, you did warn us.
We are not allowed to forget
that freaking meatball.
Thank you so much.
Yes.
I mean, they’re, they’re putting
it in our face.
Again, I did.
We did forget to mention when
Joel sees Patton Oswalt, the
virus specialist, he like,
brings it in a baggie with olive
oil to preserve it.
Oh God, it’s so.
Bright so he’s literally holding
what literally looks like a
meatball asking these doctors
does this look like an Oregon
it’s very funny.
Yeah, it’s preserving an olive
oil.
I was like that’s.
Perfect, perfect.
I’m back home.
The Hammonds and the neighbors
are all kind of outside and
they’re chatting and Rick wants
to see how much cargo space
their trunk has.
And when Joel opens it up, they
spy that there’s like a little
piece of the dead guy sticking
to the trunk door.
Sheila like quickly grabs it and
eats it before Rick can see it.
It’s pretty fun and I love the
the distraction.
And he’s trying to again, yeah.
Whatever they’re like faking
something, or like distracting,
or like covering, it’s the best.
Rick, look at me, look at me,
look at me.
What?
I can make my hips go side to
side now?
I could never do this.
Before, Why would you want to?
Because it’s a turn on, Rick.
And then they’re doing it
together.
It’s so cute.
I love that, like the scene kind
of like wraps up in a couple of
minutes and then the neighbor
like is like, thanks for the
move.
Yeah, he like starts doing.
Yeah, he’s cool.
But the other neighbor, Dan, we
still hate him.
And he shows up with Ant spray.
Like, he’s like, use this Ant
spray so they’re relieved.
Like, oh, OK, maybe he’s not
suspicious of us anymore.
He really thinks it was ants.
Great.
Back inside the house, Joel
shows Sheila the artwork, which
is from 16th century Serbia, and
during the while they’re looking
close at it, she like, gets
another quacking phone call.
I.
Love this I.
Wonder what it says?
Jesus, I hate that ringtone.
Clients like it.
It’s funny.
We disagree on that.
And it’s Abby’s school calling.
And this is where we get an
actor we love playing exactly.
Hateable person.
Totally.
So yes, they go to the school to
meet with the principal about
Abby and ditching, and it’s Tom
Lennon.
Yay.
We’ve talked about how much we
love him on Hollywood Squares.
I know I don’t think either of
us were thinking about the fact
that he was on the show when we
were talking about him on
Hollywood Squares.
So love that.
These are all, like, fun, like,
reminders of like, the other
often things about this show,
which is also had such a great
cast.
They got, like, fun guest stars,
right?
So Sheila starts mouthing off
when Tom Lennon implies that
he’s more concerned about the
influence Abby’s having on what
he calls remarkable Eric.
And he threatens Abby with
suspension.
And Sheila’s feeling really
protective and threatens him
right back.
So let’s hear this.
And we know how sassy she’s
gotten.
So yeah, it’s fun that she’s
like this.
What?
What was she saying in the first
episode?
Like, like bold?
Oh, bolder.
She’s she’s a lot bolder. 100%
maybe now.
OK, we’ll speak to our daughter
and make sure she never misses
school again.
Good.
Because if she does, please
don’t say.
It miss school again.
Which she won’t.
She’s going to be don’t.
Say it I.
Wouldn’t say it suspended.
Oh.
Page God.
Damn it.
All on the same page, honey,
shall we?
It’s a small refrigerated space.
I would love to introduce you
too.
I think you would look really
good in it.
What?
And then he, just like Joel,
tries to explain.
It’s a wine seller.
Wine seller, We’re Realtors.
Yeah, not weird at all.
Yeah.
And of course, after they walk
out of the principal’s office,
Joel immediately admonishes
Sheila, reminding her that she
can’t kill the principal.
Like.
Especially after they had like a
meeting on the calendar with
him.
Yes, yes.
So they meet with Abby at home.
I love that you put the little
fake family picture alert.
We love that they use this one
like multiple times, like it’s
on the table and it’s on the
wall.
I’m like weren’t there like an
outtakes from this little
section that they could have had
different?
Couldn’t you do something else?
But it’s really cute.
And Joel’s trying to, like, set
Abby straight, but Sheila is
like, kind of on her side and
follow your heart, go be a poet
or whatever she says to do.
And that kind of weirds Abby out
a little.
And Joel tells Sheila their
family cannot survive Sheila
just doing whatever she wants.
And that really, like, sits with
her, like, because that’s true.
Like reel it in a little girl.
Right.
It freaks her out a bit, and
then she gets mildly more
freaked out when she goes to
visit Eric about this because
she feels like he’s the closest
thing to a zombie expert, which
he loves to hear.
He’s like, oh, thanks.
She’s really hoping that he can
tell her a way she can control
her impulses, but he is kind of
telling her that’s not possible.
This morning I felt really
great.
I was encouraging everyone to be
their best selves.
But just now I told Abby to drop
out of school, and before that I
almost killed Principal Novak.
Yes, impulse control the undead
do not have.
It well, I got to do something
because I can’t be like, oh, I
sorry.
It’s OK, no pee.
So that’s when.
He’s so good, he’s so cute.
There’s a really cute little dad
and daughter bonding time scene.
I love how Joel like brings Abby
a sandwich and then takes a bite
of it first.
That’s like such a.
Dad move, Dad.
Tax.
That’s a very adjacent thing to
do.
But he like shares with her
about his home life being really
difficult growing up.
And then he like, it’s talking
about how one of his coping
mechanisms was his motorcycle.
So he borrows Rick’s motorcycle
and he takes Abby for a ride,
like up to this really nice
view.
It’s really cute.
And they’re both kind of like,
like his mom.
Can she still love like, is she
the same person?
And they both just start
screaming like, I’m freaking
out.
Me too.
It’s just so.
Cute.
It’s really cute.
And I forget what he’s saying
before that.
I I don’t know if it was in that
part.
I think it was where he’s
talking about how he used to be
so angry he’d go yell at birds
because he like, didn’t know who
to like, like whatever expel his
energy on.
Yeah, that’s right.
But the motorcycle like replaced
that I think, yes.
That’s kind of what he’s saying,
like it was another coping
mechanism.
We go to the school science fair
where of course, like Eric has
his robot on display.
Sheila and the neighbor Lisa are
drinking Margarita margaritas
that have coffee cups.
Classic Lisa move I was.
Going to say this is like so
Lisa, she’s like, I am such a
great mom since I came up with
this trick.
Oh my.
God.
It’s perfect for the character
though, and she plays it really
well.
The principal walks in and
Sheila clashes with him almost
immediately when they encounter
each other.
You should be grateful that I
didn’t suspend Abby.
In fact, I still might.
It all depends on what you say
next, Madame.
Fine, I’m sorry, you farting sex
tourist.
Oh, snap.
Tell Abby don’t bother coming to
school.
Tomorrow.
So guess who’s pissed?
Yeah.
So Sheila immediately starts to
follow him to his office, but
she gets interrupted, stopped by
Joel, who starts professing his
love for her in this very sweet
and tender way and tells her to
be whoever she needs to be,
which gives her this
encouragement.
We all think, we all think we
know what’s going to happen.
They surprise us a little bit.
But she’s again just going to
protect Abby and threaten him in
the meantime.
Yeah, but not with, not with
killing him.
She’s threatening real estate
issues.
Right, which is a funny and it
works and I think she’s wouldn’t
have done this, you know, used
her real estate power in this
way before so so.
Good.
OK.
Novak.
Dad.
Abby, go back.
Let’s keep this simple.
Abby’s going through a really
hard time right now.
So you’re not going to suspend
her.
Because if you do, I will make
your life miserable.
I can sell your home.
I can fuck up your Zillow
estimate.
I can rezone your neighborhood
for horses.
I have a notary that will do
anything for me.
I am a realtor and I can destroy
you.
It’ll all depend on what you say
next.
Tell Abby I’ll see her at school
tomorrow.
OK then, you have a lovely
evening.
So good.
I’m a notary.
I’ll do anything for you too,
Drew.
Now I’m just kidding.
I am a notary.
That’s real, though.
That is real, yes.
So Joel’s kind of like, whoa,
why didn’t you kill him?
You know, so she didn’t kill the
principal because who she needs
to be is someone who doesn’t
want to lose their family.
So.
Oh, I just love this.
It’s so sweet and, you know,
great.
So they’re all going to go back
to the science fair.
But Joel notices there’s a
Serbian flag on the principal’s
office window sticker.
So Joel goes after him.
And he’s like, running away
scared of them.
But he admits that his
grandmother, who he lives with
no judgment, He’s like, I’m an
adult, I could do what I want.
The grandmother speaks Serbian.
So put that away for next time.
That could be useful.
The next morning, Lisa thanks
Sheila for inspiring her to
cheat on her husband.
Whoops.
And the other neighbor lady is
like, you see her leaving her
family to follow John Legend on
tour.
She’s been talking about how she
wanted to go see him.
And her husband also bought a
Range Rover.
So things are kind of getting a
little bit tossed up in the air
in the neighborhood because of
these guys in the Hammonds’ Drive
away feeling guilty about all of
this turmoil.
Neighbor Dan is pissed that they
haven’t used the ant sprayer and
lets himself into their backyard
again, which they said don’t do
that, what the hell?
And oopsie, he finds a little
remnant from from Sheila’s first
kill.
A finger.
A remnant.
I love it.
Oh, and that’s where we end the
episode.
You guys are going to have to
come back next Tuesday to find
out what happens.
I wish I was a little.
Bit tall?
But yes, we’ve gotten through
the second episode of our Santa
Clarita Diet summer series.
This is this is going to last a
while, guys.
We’ve still got two more to go
just to cover Season 1 and
eventually we’ll do it next
season.
But we’ve got a lot more
content, right?
Exactly in this vein.
For you, this is so fun and like
honestly, like I said, I I
watched the next three because
we’re going to record that
episode really soon and they’re
just I kept texting you.
Why is Timothy Olyphant so
funny?
Like he makes me laugh.
So not that Drew doesn’t, but
like I’m used to her making me.
Laugh, I don’t know, it’s a
different thing.
I was telling Jared because we
had watched Deadwood and like I
know that he’s played like some
badasses and Jared’s like does
he playing a cop like cuz it’s
just like such like, you know,
so many and I was like, no, he’s
so different in this like he’s
not funny in Deadwood, you know,
like it’s not like this at all.
And it’s so fun to it’s he’s
perfect.
I mean, and yeah, Drew is like
in her element.
And she is too, apparently.
I’m kind of bummed.
Like, I was like, God, this
really never got any Emmy
nominations.
I can’t believe it.
Like, I don’t know if the like
gore is too much for like, like,
I know I haven’t been able to
get some of my friends to watch
it because of the gore.
And I’m like, oh, but it’s not
worth that.
Though, yeah, it’s not like, I
feel like the gore is like, it’s
like, so there’s so little of
it, like actually that’s shown.
Yeah, but when it’s shown, it
is.
It’s bad.
It’s pretty bad.
It’s true.
That’s true.
We have we have high tolerance.
But like, hopefully you guys are
totally cool with that.
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Yeah, I want to say something
about that.
So I was like, we don’t even
have a Santa Clarita Diet
memorabilia page on the website.
Because there’s nothing.
Well so I was like I know I have
one ad.
So I went and found the ad.
I scanned it.
Cool, that’s up now I.
Probably have the same one.
Yeah, you probably do.
And then, speaking of Emmy
nominations, every season, they
did do like a cool for your
consideration.
Like DVD I guess I don’t know
how else to say it.
And you had those?
I don’t yet, but I just bought
the season 3 one because I like
was able to make a make an offer
and it was really low when they
took it.
And I’m watching this.
There’s a couple of the season 1
and then there’s one of the
season 2, but it’s like very
expensive.
But anyway, I want to try to get
those and like at least have a
little bit to represent the show
on our collection because it’s
like we love it so much and it’s
just crazy.
So you’re going to have to make
a little graphic for our movie
slash TV.
For a Santa Clarita Diet, I mean
it.
Put you under the light right
here on air that you have to get
it done, OK?
Sounds good.
I mean, it also made me realize
like we don’t really feature
anything about our collection
when we talk about things.
And I wonder if like that would
be like for future movies and TV
things like, oh, this is
memorabilia that we have
relating to that.
That’s.
True, we don’t ever talk about
it, but I always put the link
like on the episode page.
Here’s our memorabilia from that
movie or whatever.
But yeah, you’re right, we
should talk about them a little
more.
So we talked about these.
Now you guys know some things
that we’re trying to get our
hands on.
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I’m Anne and I’m Ashley, and this
week we are discussing for the
very first time, Santa Clarita
Diet Season 1 Episode 1.
Yes, summer series.
Yes.
And if you don’t know, this is
a TV show.
We’re going to get into it, but
this is something we’ve only
done one other time.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh, crazy.
OK, so before we jump fully
this, like we said, this is our
summer series.
These episodes are going to be a
little lighter at the top.
But I do have just like one
thing because we teased it last
episode, my new exciting
acquisition for the Drewseum.
So I got in the mail yesterday
and these are, and our Patreon
members can see the video.
This is a contact sheet from
Drew’s photo shoot for Interview
magazine in 1982 with the
photographer Ara Gallant.
I hope I’m saying that
correctly.
And so it’s like, how many 12
little outtakes of her 7 year
old self being so cute and such
a little sweet ham and having a
blast.
Yeah.
And you know what’s crazy?
Ohh.
And it has his stamp on the
back, which I was like, yes.
That’s so cool.
Like the archive stamp or
something?
Yeah, so I was like gonna do
like a little video for
Instagram or something and then
I don’t think I have the 82
interview.
I think I’m still missing that
in my collection.
Interesting.
I know I like looked in the
places where it would be and I
wasn’t feeling 100% confident
that I had it.
And I think only you have it so.
Interesting.
It’s so it’s so like rare that
we have like missing pieces in
the magazine parts of our
collection on the other side.
But there are definitely big
holes in mind because I’m like
Ashley has it.
It’s OK.
Yeah, that’s pretty why I’ve
always been like, well, I’ll get
it eventually, but Anne has it,
so it’s OK.
That’s funny.
Well, you have these incredible
outtakes, this contact sheet
now.
Them up again, they’re really
cool and they came from a rare
bookstore and they had gotten
them directly from a photo
agency that closed down.
So and then before that I’m
guessing like Ara’s collection
sent them there.
I don’t know, right?
Yeah, donated them there or, or
they are like copies of them for
the photo agency.
Like, I have no idea how those
things worked when it was
analogue.
That’s true.
You know, ’cause now it’s like
those would be on Getty Images
or whatever.
That was the photo agency they.
Totally would so really cool
the.
Scan of this I assume will be on
the Jersey M soon.
Yep, when I get to it.
By the time this comes out, they
should definitely be up there.
Yes, but it’s it’s fun because I
don’t know, the Drewseum is such
a big part of what we do and
what we’ve come here to do.
Like, yeah, ultimately.
And so, yeah, highlighting it at
the top is fun.
So yay for any opposition.
All right, now let’s get down to
bloody business.
Let’s do it.
Let’s get into the fun of this.
Like literally like a horror
comedy TV show.
Yeah.
It’s so fun.
Another little thing before we
jump, actually jump in, we are
going to be doing Season 1 of
Santa Clarita Diet, which is
from 2017.
Drew goes kind of into
hibernation during the summer
anyway, and the Drew Barrymore
Show is in reruns.
So we will be recording a lot of
these early and banking the
episodes and we’re then
releasing them over the next few
weeks.
So basically our summer series
will be all recorded ahead and
banked.
So we won’t have like a lot of
the things at the top of the
episode.
We’re just going to get right
into it.
So it’s like similar to what we
did with 2000 Malibu Rd., which
was Drews only other TV show.
So yeah, so we did the all of
those episodes, although that
was only one season.
Sad.
Yeah, that was an easier one for
sure.
Yes.
So check out our episodes about
if you want to see kind of
another fun thing.
And I think those are on
YouTube, right?
I think that’s how we watched
them.
Yes, but last I checked, some of
them were missing, so shoot,
yeah, kind of crazy.
And Speaking of 2000 Malibu Rd.
erasure, during press for Santa
Clarita Diet, there was a lot of
things saying this is Drew
Barrymore’s first time ever
being in a TV show.
Drew herself literally said,
I’ve never done a TV show.
I’m like, what?
We have the records, girl.
We do.
We deep dove into those like no
one ever had before, I’m sure.
Into that what did we call the
ocean in that Oh, my beach
water?
Beach water.
The Malibu beach water.
That’s right.
OK, let’s go to a different part
of of California.
So for the IMDb description for
the show, it says Sheila and
Joel are married real estate
agents who live and work in
Santa Clarita, CA.
When Sheila dies, their lives
take a dark turn.
Doesn’t sound as funny as it is,
no.
Doesn’t.
All right, so let’s kind of this
episode because we’re doing, you
know, the very beginning, we are
going to talk about sort of the
production and all those things,
you know, get all those notes
out of the way, the behind the
scenes information.
So this will be heavy on the biz
exactly.
And then going forward, we’ll
just be covering like the rest
of the episodes of Santa Clarita
Diet.
So the show was announced by
Netflix on March 18th, 2016.
And I found that date kind of
interesting because as we will
discuss more, Drew’s divorce
from Will Kopelman had a big
part in this production for her.
Why she said yes, how it
affected her.
But this announcement comes like
a full, you know, like the month
before their announcement of
splitting up comes.
So I mean, that makes sense.
Like they didn’t divorce
overnight.
Right, they were like in the
works, but.
It was obviously in the works.
Yeah.
Anyway, back to the
announcement.
So the press release.
I love this quote.
This comes from Cindy Holland,
who was the Netflix vice
president of original content.
She said the genius casting of
Timothy Olyphant and Drew,
combined with Victor Fresco, the
director, and his unique comedic
sensibility will delight and
definitely surprise our members
around the world.
And I, you know, just reading
that right now off the top of my
head, I kind of remember it was
sort of, it sort of was a little
under wraps what the show was
about for a while.
I feel like even the teasers and
we’ll talk about those were like
they weren’t coming out and
saying exactly like that.
She’s basically a zombie and
eats humans.
Yes, just funny.
It is funny.
So Drew had not really been
acting much since having her
kids.
So this was like sort of a
comeback in a little bit of a
way.
And she was going through Lilla
and she was going through a
really hard time.
You just mentioned in her life
because personally, she was
separating from her husband,
Will Kopelman, at the time that
like her kids dad.
Yeah.
But she said, I read the script
and it made me laugh and I was
going through some dark stuff.
So it was exactly what I needed.
Life so complicated sometimes
humor and laughter should be the
only deciding factor.
And when you’re going through a
divorce and things are falling
apart, you feel like a failure.
I had gained 20 lbs.
I’d let myself go.
I really had.
Everything I had planned was
suddenly turned on its head.
So maybe what I really needed
was to play a zombie and laugh
about it.
So yeah, she it was like an
escape, like an absolute.
Escape for her.
I mean, we’re going to have so
many times that she says similar
things to that.
This was like a godsend in a lot
of ways for what she was going
through.
And she also said that she,
like, again, felt so lucky that
this came at a time in her life
when she really needed it.
She said quote.
It took me out of my shit and
made me a happier person.
Oh, and another thing that she
mentioned liking about this was
that it has that similarity to
ET, where if something
fantastical takes place in your
backyard, like suburbia, you’re
going to relate to it a lot
more.
And then I like went down and I
was like, oh, Donnie Darko is
also very that right, like
everyday like.
Oh yeah.
And that’s that’s kind of why it
feels so AT in a way.
Yeah, that’s so interesting
because yeah, that is like,
that’s so different then like a
fantastical thing happening in a
place that’s already fantastical
or something like New York City
and like Godzilla or something.
I don’t know.
It’s like something coming into
your world and like this, this
is intimate in the same way that
like those are too where it’s
like in your home.
So it’s not in the.
Backyard neighborhood.
Oh, the backyard is very
specific to, like, ET showing
up.
And like, you know, spoiler, the
first kill that Sheila does is
also in her backyard.
Yeah.
It’s like, literally the
backyard.
That’s kind of funny.
OK.
It is funny.
All right, so let’s talk.
Let’s talk about the main cast
and crew.
More biz, but important biz.
So the show was created and show
run by Victor Fresco.
He wanted to do a comedy that
had had life and death stakes.
This definitely does.
He was also interested in
focusing on empowerment and
narcissism, which that’s totally
fascinating.
But Sheila’s character, for
sure.
He said it in Santa Clarita,
which is just north of Los
Angeles, because it’s a middle
class like newer planned
community and the professional
organization of it was a nice
contrast to the chaos of what’s
happening in the character.
So there’s the it’s like a
backdrop that feels almost
neutral.
Yeah.
I guess.
Have you ever been there?
Santa Clarita?
I think so.
I feel like I’ve like driven
through it.
Jason’s mom’s place that she
lives, which is funny because we
talked about that when we did
Gun Crazy.
It’s like, right.
You kind of go through Santa
Clarita and like if you want to
go to like certain restaurants,
that’s where you go.
OK, so I’ve been there quite a
few times.
I still need to go see the
house, but I’ll get to it.
You will.
You’re going to be going back
there.
So you’ve spent more time there
than.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So you, you’ve witnessed the,
like true suburbia of Santa
Clarita.
Definitely.
Drew said she wanted to do the
series because of Victors
writing, she said.
Quote, I was so upset when I put
the script down because I liked
it so much.
She’s kind of like, I don’t want
to do this job, but shit, now I
have to.
She also mentioned that it was
like just this amazing challenge
because she had to learn so much
dialogue so quickly and talk at
these like, she’s like high
speeds because she said that it
had this unique comedy pace.
Like when you watch it, she said
you don’t really feel how fast
it is, but when you’re doing it,
like you have to keep up with
that.
Like boom boom boom.
It makes sense.
Like, yeah, in, like, I don’t
know, even just like movies
versus TV, it’s like, yeah, kind
of required almost, Drew said to
Victor when when she was
approached to do it, she said, I
was like, listen, I’m getting
divorced.
I’m 144 lbs, and I’m really not
in a great place.
So can I just be extremely frank
with you?
And I fell in love with Victor,
Yeah.
When I was feeling heavy and
nervous about things or
conveying tough stuff I was
going through, he made me feel
light about it in a really
Safeway.
Love that.
It’s interesting how many times
she’s used the word safe about
directors.
Like she needs to feel safe.
It feels like with the director,
Penny Marshall, as we talked
about last episode, not sure
that was safe.
I’m not sure.
Not sure.
She didn’t use that word.
She didn’t.
OK, so this is one of our lovely
Flower Films productions.
It was Co produced by Flower
along with a lot of other
people.
So Drew and then Chris Miller
and Ember Truesdell, who are all
OGs.
They’re all shown in Diary,
which we just talked about last
time.
That’s so cool.
They have executive producer
credits and Nancy has a regular
producer credit.
Someone needs to explain this to
us.
Yeah.
Like I don’t think Nancy was on
set like the other three were.
I don’t know if that’s a factor.
I I have no clue, but I’d really
like to understand it.
Yeah, and I feel like it’s very
like the reason why people get
those different credits is like
different depending on the
situation.
I I don’t.
Know totally, but we do get a
Flower Films logo at the end so
that that always makes me happy.
Yeah, totally.
Let’s get into Drew as Sheila.
We love Sheila, so her name is
Sheila Hammond, Drew said.
I think with Sheila, what I saw
and what I connected with was a
sense of purpose.
I needed that because I had lost
my way a little.
I had lost my confidence.
I’d given up my get up and go.
It was perfect timing and a
blessing to find a character
whose awakening equates with
your own.
When you’re going through a huge
change in life, you can grow and
rebuild together, and that was a
very significant personal need
in me.
I needed a goal that also makes.
Sense but it sad and happy
right?
Well, like, I’m glad she had
this as an outlet when she
needed it.
I think some people, cuz I’m
this way to like need a work
obligation.
Yeah, like an external
obligation to be set on you in
order to, like, get up and go to
get up and go.
Like, And Drew had worked like,
nonstop.
And at this point, she had like
made the choice not to work.
Yeah.
You know, it’s like and then
figured out like, no, I almost
like need the like the wheel to
keep turning.
I don’t know.
Roundy, Roundy, Roundy, Roundy.
Yeah, She also said that she
felt that Sheila needed to
remain likable.
So she felt this like,
responsibility to keep Sheila as
someone you would go on the ride
with, which makes a lot of sense
because like, she’s starting,
she’s going to do some things
that maybe are morally
questionable and you need to be
behind her.
Yes.
And she makes it like, like
there still is a human inside of
there even though, you know,
science, not scientifically,
even though technically there’s
not like, yeah, like they’re
still, Sheila is still there as
this likable person.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She also said that about
Sheila’s transformation
throughout the series.
She said this woman has this
awakening and I needed an
awakening.
So how about if we parallel our
awakenings and I kind of do this
bent down CRO magnon
evolutionary thing and by the
end she is erect.
No prosthetics, no gimmicks, all
attitudinal wardrobe.
I can go on this hard poor diet
and like, pluck a row of
eyebrows and lighten the hair a
little each episode.
The CRO magnon thing.
But that was really funny.
I remembered as we read that a
couple times she talked about
that same sort of process for
doing Bev aging and riding a
cars with boys.
Like she said she would keep
herself a little like hunched
over in when Bev is younger and
then by the end when she’s old
age of 35, that she’s like in
heels and like had better
pasture and like stood up
straighter.
So it’s kind of funny that she
equates that, but it makes
sense.
Yeah, You feel like if you’re
trying to like, get the vibe,
you have to like, get your body
into it.
I don’t know.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
She also said that she lost 20
lbs during filming, and she said
I was so physically fit.
Everyone was telling me to back
off the stunts.
But something happens when you
get into your strong and happy
place.
You’re different.
And I can’t wait to get like, I
mean, I want to take the ride,
but I can’t wait to get to the
end.
Where she’s just like, looking
like a total badass, you know?
Totally.
Yeah, and it happens.
It happens so quickly.
Also for sure.
Yeah, Victor, the director,
writer, creator.
He said.
Drew and Sheila are alike in
that they’re both incredibly
strong and have a relentless
optimism even through difficult
times in life.
That’s cool.
I like that comparison.
And we know Drew would love
that, right?
Yeah, she was right there when
he said it, and she looked very
happy.
So another person we love, Do
you love him?
I mean.
I, you know, I love him in this
so much.
I love him in a couple of his
roles.
He’s a little funny during like
press stuff.
And I think that’s just kind of,
he’s like kind of always joking.
And sometimes it’s like feels
like a little rude, but I think
it’s just his personality like.
Yeah, I can see that.
You know what I mean?
But yeah, I do like him a lot.
He’s like.
Sarcastic a lot.
Yeah, there you go.
OK, so the man we’re talking
about, Timothy Olyphant, he
plays her as Drew’s husband,
Sheila’s husband, Joel Hammond.
I also love him.
I just watched.
I’ll just like, say really
quickly.
I just finished watching.
Now I’m gonna forget what the
fuck the show is.
Like a Western show.
Oh, is that justified?
Nope, it’s a different Deadwood.
Deadwood.
So I watched, I finished
watching like Deadwood last year
and I was like, oh, he’s he’s
amazing.
I already like loved him but
he’s like so good and that whole
show is amazing.
Anyway, my friend Jen was like
way early on the train of liking
him when from go.
I was just going to say I
thought he was really cute and
go.
So I was on the train a little
bit, but he wasn’t really around
a lot.
Like he was like doing like
little roles and stuff.
Well, can I take this?
Because importantly, yes.
He’s also a Scream alum.
A very important Scream alum.
He’s in Scream 2.
Can I spoil a movie from that
long ago?
Yeah.
He is a Ghostface, so yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it’s kind of a cool, you
know, connection they share.
Apparently they never, during
filming ever made that
connection.
And then it wasn’t until they
were doing press that people
started bringing it up and they
both went so funny.
In this French talk show, you
want to take a stab at this
name.
See Avu.
OK, so this French talk show.
See, Avu made them even do like
recreate her scene from Scream
during promotion where he had to
be on the phone.
That’s kind of fun.
It was, but it was also like was
really hard for me to watch
because she doesn’t deliver her
lines at all.
Like she doesn’t scream.
And that is like, so embedded
into my DNA, you’re like.
That’s not right.
True, right.
True.
You haven’t.
Watched it 5000 times.
Like you don’t have it like
embedded in your brain in the
exact tone it should be.
Exactly.
That’s so funny.
But that’s just the nerd I am,
yeah.
Drew said that she and Tim got
along really well because they
both are no bullshit people who
prioritize their families and
would give 100% on the job,
which that’s really cool.
We know that’s definitely Drew.
I don’t know a lot about Timothy
Olyphant and his family, but I
do know that like, he and Conan
O’Brien are like friends and
like go to like a beach house
together and stuff.
So like.
That’s pretty cool.
And I feel like Conan O’Brien
seems like really cool and deep,
deep down like a good person.
Anyway, Yeah, that’s a very
side.
Side note, one thing he did say
during press stuff was that one
thing he could relate to was
that he had been married for 25
years at that time.
So like, we knew what a long
time marriage was like.
And the Drew makes a little
quip.
She’s like, like, I have no idea
what that’s like to be married
for a long time and everyone’s
cracking up.
So I just thought that was cute.
He also said that he loves that
Drew is a truly authentic human
being and that she showed up
every day with a willingness to
embarrass herself.
So Drew like that’s why it’s
kind of perfect her in this
because it there’s a lot of
gross stuff and it’s not like
pretty you’re.
So right, there’s probably a lot
of people that would not be
willing to go to the links she
goes to on this show.
All right, let’s move on to Liv
Hewson, who plays their daughter
Abby Drew said that she loved
playing the mother of a daughter
since mothers and daughters are
her emotional Achilles heel, as
we know.
Absolutely, Liv.
Of course you’ve watched Yellow
Jackets.
I still need to watch season 3
but Liv is so amazing on that
show.
So amazing I’ve I’m caught up on
yellow jackets.
OK, don’t spoil anything.
But they are so incredible on
Yellow jackets and they were
also so incredible on this show.
Oh my gosh, just perfect,
perfect plastic.
Like looks like could be their
child but also is so good at
just delivering that attitude of
the teenage daughter.
Yeah, they’re really good.
They’re really.
Good.
And then the last like series
regular is Skyler Gisondo as
their young neighbor Eric and
absolutely love him.
And he’s so cute.
He’s so charming, right?
He’s so charming, like
surprisingly charming, and he’s
supposed to be like this nerdy,
kind of like I don’t know, and
it’s I think it’s they play up
his nerdiness to like whatever
be anyway, we’ll talk more about
that, but we I love him too.
I had a feeling that you also
thought he was.
Absolutely.
You know, he kind of has like
maybe like a Justin Long-ness,
you know, when he.
I could see that.
Yeah, I saw him like probably
soon after this aired in the Wet
Hot American Summer sequel,
which I can’t think of what
that’s called off the top of my
head.
But he plays more of like a sort
of like an asshole who’s all hot
and stuff.
And it’s so it’s really funny to
just to see like the different
sides.
Yeah, he’s great, and there’s a
lot of other notable people who
are going to appear in the
series, but we’ll like talk
about them as they make their
little cameos or appearances
during the episodes.
Yes, we get a bunch in this one
alone, like, yeah, so keep your
ears open for that.
Some more like, you know, very
important people for this show.
Costume design is by Mona Mae,
the amazing Mona Mae.
They had previously worked
together on The Wedding Singer
and never been kissed.
You must if you have not, check
out her episode with her.
It’s episode 48.
We were lucky enough to
interview her SO.
So kind and generous.
She was like immediately, like,
I’m on board, let’s do it.
She’s so lovely.
So cool, and we do have the
video version of that on YouTube
if you guys want.
To see.
That’s right.
Thanks for shouting that out.
Yeah.
And Mona said when we first met
Sheila Drew’s character, she was
kind of dowdy in her suits.
But as she evolved, she became a
lot more secure in herself and
who she was and what she wanted
in her life.
And that comes off.
And I love how there’s, like a
dowdy to, like, cool transition
that we’d like.
I don’t know.
I’d never been kissed.
It was similar.
I know I was thinking about them
like, wait, that’s exactly what
Mona had to do for never been
kissed.
Like literally starts in these
like, frumpy suits because she’s
trying to be like businesswoman
and then, you know, finds
herself and finds more of her
personal style.
Totally.
Yeah, totally.
I didn’t even realize you put a
comment there.
Oh yeah, so we both had the same
thought.
That’s so funny.
Mona put Joel and Sheila in a
lot of Plaid to give them a
sense of casualness, she said.
It’s really important to show
they’re a regular family living
in the suburbs trying to deal
with this craziness.
Yeah, it’s interesting because
Mona’s style can be a lot more
like distinct and fun candy
colored and stuff, so I like
that she had a real thought of
why she has them, just like in
Plaid shirt.
Yeah, and the show is pretty
toned down in general, but she
gets to do some more stuff, more
fun stuff.
Later.
Oh yeah.
Especially later.
So Drew’s hair was done by Loana
Vigi, who is a long, long, long
time friend and collaborator
going all the way back to 50 First
dates.
That was the first time that she
worked on something with Drew,
but they have a ton of credits
together.
Yeah.
And then her makeup was done by
Deborah Ferullo again, another
long, longtime friend who has
worked with Drew on countless
shoots and productions since
around the mid 2000s.
Yeah, both Lana and Deb are
still doing Drew like they just.
Did regularly squares.
With her.
So it’s like, ongoing.
I love that.
Yeah.
And Deb is just very, very kind
to us and always, like, she,
like, responds with us, if you
can believe it.
Yeah.
And I asked her if she wanted to
share anything for this episode,
and she gave me a little
statement, if you will.
I love it.
Yeah.
Let me just read.
What upset?
She said.
I loved everything about Santa
Clarita Diet because it meant I
got to be holed up for three
months with three of my besties
doing puzzles and creating
campsite vibes out in front of
our trailer.
I love.
That I know.
And then she went on to say.
And as far as her look goes,
Drew worked really hard to
transform herself for the role.
For makeup, I kept her makeup
pretty standard business start
of the show.
And as the show progressed, we
started to glam her up more.
We wanted to show how more alive
slash thriving she was becoming
in her death.
So I tanned her up and glammed
her up and then she said Lana
lightened her hair.
So I love that.
Like it’s just so cute.
Thank you, Deb.
I was like, thank you.
It’s so cool to have something
straight from the source that we
can drop in here.
And I love picturing like a
campsite.
Vibe outside the trailer.
I want to.
Be there doing puzzles with them
and like, come on, that sounds
so fun.
I love.
I love our little exchanges with
Deb, like, yeah.
So I hope we get a chance to
talk to her one day.
She’s she’s like almost agreed.
I know, and I do.
I liked him that she mentioned
the tan thing because that is,
like, once she said it, I was
like, oh, yeah, I definitely see
that.
Like, Drew’s skin is much paler
at the beginning.
It’s kind of funny.
Like, as a corpse.
She’s tanner.
But I love it, yeah.
And also, I’ve only watched this
show through once, and so it’ll
be fun to like, not that we’re
going to be doing the other
things like back-to-back, but I
don’t know.
It’ll be fun to have a little
bit more like reason for us to
be paying attention to that.
Definitely.
We always want more excuses.
Drew’s assistant on the shoot
was Mason Hughes, who he used to
like.
Be in touch with us and we love
Mason.
I know I was like, we can’t just
skip by Mason working on this.
And yeah, I remember him sharing
a lot of like onset photos
during filming.
So of course we’re grateful for
that too.
Yeah, of course.
He was like one of the one of
the kindest to us always and
used to you to us for help on
things.
Totally, totally okay.
The practical effects on the
show and the prosthetics are by
Tinsley Studio.
They also did this is a cool
kind of fact that you pulled
out.
They also did the character
Nicks tattoos on 50 First Dates.
Peanut butter cups.
Peanut butter cups Christien
Tinsley was worried about messing
up Drew’s hair and makeup, he
said, But Drew would actually
grab the bottle of blood and
squeeze it into her mouth, pour
it over her chin and let it drip
down onto her clothes.
I think she was having a good
time not being Drew in the other
movies that we’ve seen her in,
That’s so funny, he said.
She was Drew the Cannibal and I
think she was having fun with
that.
I know she’s always going to go
for it, right?
Like 100%, I can totally see her
being like, come on, let’s just
go.
Like, let’s just go.
Let’s just squeeze this.
Let’s not be delicate about
this.
Yeah, no, no need.
She said about Tinsley Studios,
they just knocked it out of the
park.
There was a lot of blood and
guts and I.
And then she goes, Oh yeah, God,
sorry.
I just got the shivers because I
thought of this one foot I had
to bite into and I hit a bone or
a nail or something on my tooth
and that just made me have that
fingernails on the blackboard
moment, I guess.
Should I put in like a trigger
warning ahead of that quote?
I don’t know, Hopefully people
know what they’re in for this.
Whole show Santa Clarita Diet
has a big time trigger warning
for gore.
OK, if you don’t, if you can’t
handle gore, get out of here.
Yeah, totally, totally.
The body parts that Sheila eats
were made from edible items,
including dehydrated fruit,
gummy bear formula, ground
pasta, blends of beets and
bananas, wet cake and Jelly
doughnut filling.
Which like much of any of those
things, like basically no thank
you.
Again, thank God Drew such a
like she’s going to just get in
there and do it because this
would be challenging.
So the show filmed from June
through September of 2016 in
Santa Clarita.
They actually did it like a lot
of stuff on location there and
then all the stuff they did on
the sets were done at Santa
Clarita Studios.
So they really were just like in
this one spot, which is pretty
cool.
The exteriors of the Hammond’s
house are that house is located
at 27528 N Weeping Willow Dr.
And as I said, I like almost
went there once and we just like
ran out of time.
But I will get there.
I’ll post pictures next time I’m
out there.
Drew said she loved shooting in
Santa Clarita because there was
no traffic.
We know just how she feels about
traffic.
Yeah.
And then she also said it was
such a safe place for her to
spend her summer while her whole
life was falling apart.
So again, just glad she had this
like haven of work that really
fulfilled her in so many ways.
Totally.
I’ll say one more thing about
filming.
So I think I told you that my
cousin’s friend worked on the
show.
That’s right, I forgot about
that.
Remembered I think his name is
Joel.
Weirdly I take it up because I
think I looked.
I tried to see him in the
credits but I’ll just say 1 fact
about this that I remember him
telling me.
So when he told me that I was
like oh I’m like such a huge fan
of Drew.
I think I was talking about Drew
and then he said something
anyways, doesn’t matter.
I remember him saying that Drew
was like so sweet on set and
would like constantly be
ordering like special food
trucks for them and he said he
remembers them like like
ordering sushi for like
everybody.
That’s.
I I think we heard something
similar from maybe our friend
Rachel about never been kissed
but like.
Yeah, maybe.
And we know she did that on like
ever after.
She was like, I think a lot of
production, she’s like always
looking out for the food part,
which is really sweet.
And what did?
He do on the show do you
remember?
It’s Joel Mikilak.
OK, so he was a grip.
Yeah.
Let’s get into the release of
the show a little bit.
So Drew said.
I think the show is so fitting
for 2017.
Just give me something light,
easy, digestible, watchable,
fun, funny but like has balls
and bite and backbone.
So many descriptors.
I love it.
It’s so drew to be like, I’m
going to say every word that I
can think of.
The ad campaign was done in a
style of kind of like a Weight
Watchers diet product, sort of.
And like you were saying, like
you can’t really.
They’re not saying in this what
the show is about.
There are like little very
clever.
Hints totally.
Everyone is asking me how is it
that I feel younger, more
energetic and sexier than I have
in yours?
It’s the Santa Clarita Diet.
After the first day, I knew this
wasn’t like any other diet.
I satisfy all my cravings and
eat whoever I want and I only
eat the foods that deserve it.
So clever.
It’s so clever, and I guess
they’re a little bit more like
explicit than I thought, but in
the.
Picture though you have to be
listening like to, she said.
I eat whoever I.
Want, is that right?
Yeah.
And they then they show like
there’s like a bowl that has
like an eyeball in it.
So it’s a little when you see
it, it’s a little bit.
And then in the photographs,
which were done by Mark Seliger,
like that’s so random and cool.
So random and cool.
She’ll be like holding a drink
in a clear container and you see
fingers in there.
If you look closely.
Yeah, but then she’s just, like,
cute Drew in a red dress,
sitting in a director’s chair.
Like, it’s very, it’s very cute
and clever.
It was a cool ad campaign.
It really was.
Yeah, this little tidbit’s
funny.
So Druid pitched the slogan
Netflix and Kill and they turned
it down.
It’s pretty clever.
It is.
I would say so.
So for promotion, they started
out at the 2017 Golden Globes.
Drew and Timothy presented
there, and then the that teaser
trailer debuted during the
awards telecast.
They also went abroad to Paris,
Madrid and Berlin in January of
carpet premiere in LA on
February 1st at the Arclight
Cinerama Dome, which I thought I
had to like point that out cuz
that’s like her in front of the
ET line, yeah.
I always think of that like.
Any.
Time the Cinerama Dome is
mentioned like I think of Little
Drew.
They said it was out there on
the black.
As well, she said.
Isn’t it?
It was.
He’s the cutest alien that I’ve
ever met and seen.
And then like actually has these
shoes on at the premiere that
have like that kind of cross
shape, like they’re a little
different than some of the other
ones.
Yeah, they’re.
Great, they look like something
she would totally wear on her
show right now.
I bet Lee Harris is the reason
she’s wearing this outfit.
I love this look.
I was just gonna say that’s a
cool dress.
It has a really cool neckline.
Anyway, we’re here to talk about
the show.
So all 10 episodes of the entire
first season premiered on
February 3rd, 2017 on Netflix.
It’s like crazy just to imagine
all that dropping at once.
Yes.
I don’t know how we, like,
consumed it back then.
I don’t really remember, like
how fast I got through it.
I think I like maybe 1A night.
I probably tried to spread it
out a little bit, but they’re
short enough that I might have
done like a Fiona row, I don’t
remember.
They are so much shorter than I
realized.
Yeah, Netflix did a panel with
Victor, Drew and Tim on February
And then they earned really
mostly positive reviews.
Like some some reviews were like
the gore is a little intense,
but you know, the the chemistry
and likability of the leads I
think goes really far with that.
And it was really well liked by
viewers.
You can’t really look up like
Netflix watch numbers.
I kind of tried and I was not
able to find anything.
Like maybe it was #1 when you
open Netflix that day when it
premiered.
But like, I couldn’t find any
records.
There’s not like stats online.
Yeah, interesting.
You know, we’re not going to go
too much into this, but the show
was renewed for seasons two and
three, and those aired each
about a year apart.
But we’re going to discuss those
in the future.
I’m thinking probably next
summer, it’ll be our summer
series of Season 2.
And then, you know, without
getting like too sad about it,
the show was abruptly cancelled
while they were still edited
season 3 and it was even kind of
on a cliffhanger and people are
still so mad about it.
Like I still see comments all
the time about it.
So I just, I didn’t, I’d
forgotten that it had been
cancelled because they do end on
like quite a cliffhanger.
And I was like, there’s so much
more they could have done.
And I thought my recollection
was that it might have been
intentional.
Now it was Netflix and like back
then people used to say, and I
maybe they still do, that
Netflix would, like frequently
cancel after three seasons
because like something about
after three seasons, like
everybody has to get paid more,
some bullshit like that.
Yeah, Thanks, Netflix.
Sounds like bullshit.
Also, thanks for real, because
we’re happy that we have three
seasons of a television
television show Drew because
it’s it’s really cool.
Like I don’t I don’t remember
how like exciting it was.
So like have like content that
we knew was coming for a little
while.
I mean with our TV show we do,
but like, it’s different with
this.
It’s weird.
It was only, you know, nine
years ago, only 9.
But I I don’t really remember
what it felt like either.
So it’s fun to jump back in
almost sort of for the first
time.
Yeah, totally.
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OK, episode 1.
So then a bat or a monkey?
The titles are all funny like.
That of course they are.
Of course they are.
This was directed by Reuben
Fleischer, written by Victor
Fresco.
I don’t know how many of them he
wrote, but he was the creator of
the show.
Yeah, I actually I’m going to
have to see like in the actual
episodes credits because IMDb
doesn’t always accurately
reflect like what was listed in
the credits.
Interesting.
Weird.
So for this one it was just his
name, even though IMDb says
otherwise.
Oh, interesting.
Here’s a description of this
episode.
It says Joel and Sheila’s
marriage gets a jump start when
Sheila debuts is a truly killer
new personality and in anything
goes menu and they used to be so
normal that’s very.
Very witty and.
I guess before we jump in,
clearly spoiler alert.
At this point, definitely.
Spoilers.
We’re getting into spoilers now.
This is the point.
You know, what’s good is that I
don’t feel like either of us
remember enough to like do
spoilers for future episodes.
So maybe we’ll try to avoid that
as much as possible just in case
you guys are watching along with
us.
And like, I’m not going to watch
them until we’re ready to like
really, you know, I’m not going
to go ahead as much as I can so.
There’s like some, there’s
something in this episode that I
like was right away.
I was like, oh, I remember what
happens with that.
But like, yeah, we’re not
planning on like, like you said,
had spoilers, just like spoilers
of the presents, spoilers of the
present, yes.
OK, so the episode opens just
showing us this very normal
suburban life that Joel and
Sheila live.
And it’s like morning time and
just kind of it’s very like just
normal family getting ready to
leave the house.
Yeah, Joel tries for a quickie
right off the bat, but Sheila
said she just isn’t a pound one
out type of gal.
So, like, right away, I guess
we’re supposed to be like, oh,
she’s a, she’s a prude or a
guest now.
It sets the tone for what she’s
like.
Yeah, Sheila wishes that she was
more bold.
Jennifer Lawrence chopped off
her hair again.
Everybody hates it like that,
but she doesn’t care.
She’s so bold.
I wish I was bold.
Am I bold?
No, I’m not.
I’m really upset about the new
toaster oven.
I’d.
Like to be 20% bolder?
No more 80%.
That’s too much.
Am I bold?
No, I’m not bold.
It’s really cute.
It is really cute to like start
that of like it’s very, what do
they call it expositional to be
like, yeah, I’m assessing my
characters boldness right now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is.
But it works.
It’s natural.
Totally.
And Joel’s like getting mad
about how their toaster oven
knobs don’t work.
And there’s a line about how
she’s like, I thought you were
going to send the company an
e-mail.
And he’s like, I did.
But it came off a little crazy
and just reminded me of my
husband because he’s like really
cares about things like that and
letting companies know what
they’re not doing right.
I really want to and then I
never do.
Yeah, and their daughter is
asking for a car.
So it’s just like, you know,
family life in the morning in
the kitchen is.
Naturally.
Natural.
Yeah, I did think it’s
interesting that Sheila is
supposed to be frumpy at the
beginning, and there are some
scenes where I see that.
But in this very first part
here, I think she actually looks
really beautiful.
Like her hair is cute.
I think so too.
But yeah, we see, we see the
front a little later on, I
guess.
Yeah, a little bit.
So Sheila experiences like kind
of right away, some like weird
stomach pain and she kind of
like moans a little bit and she
waves it off pretty quickly
before they all head out for the
day.
And then we when they go
outside, we meet some of the
neighbors, including Dan, who’s
like this very nosy asshole and
his stepson, who’s the teen boy
Eric, and happens to have a
crush on the daughter Abby.
And I kind of love that.
We immediately know that the
neighbor that plays like his,
like, mom is like a loose
cannon.
Yes.
And Mary Elizabeth Ellis plays
her, and she’s really funny.
And she was on like, you’ve
heard of the name of that show?
Always funny, right?
Yeah.
And like, so she’s known for
that.
And she’s really funny in this
character.
And I remember loving a lot of
the like kind of crazy things
that she doesn’t said to.
The show, Yep, they definitely
set it up.
Everything is set up so fast.
Like this is probably 3 minutes
into the show and we already
have hit like so many important
things like her getting that
stomach pain right off the bat.
I was like what?
It’s like this is going to go.
Fast.
I mean, yeah, you point out
exactly how quick like things go
along, but it’s also like the
character development, like I’m
saying, like you kind of know
immediately who these people.
Are yeah, you know, their
neighbor is this like asshole
cop, but he’s like.
I’m not a cop.
I work for the Sheriff’s
Department.
And like, their other neighbor
is an actual cop that might come
into play later.
So I feel like that we should
mention they live in between
two, like, law enforcement
people, Right?
So Joel and Sheila are both
Realtors, and they both do.
So they go off to work.
Andy Richter plays their boss,
which is fun.
Yeah, and Nathan Fillion is this
new agent named Gary who just
joined.
And he seems so nice at the
beginning, but boy, he isn’t
right.
And Andy Richter, like, yells at
Sheila for a little bit.
And it really gave me Josie when
she’s being yelled at by John C
Reilly and never been kissed,
like, just this like, oh, sorry,
boss.
And I’ll look on her face.
Yeah, totally.
I totally saw it.
Joel and Sheila are out to show
a house as Realtors as you
mentioned, and they immediately,
oh and pretty much much
immediately, Sheila violently
vomits everywhere like a
explosive vomit.
Like it’s, it’s, it’s
ridiculous.
It’s so gross.
There’s a little bit of behind
the scenes related to this that
kind of makes it like, a little
gross or even weird.
Yeah.
So the vomit, I guess, was made
from some soup that Drew said
had curdled, which sounds so
gross.
And Mona May said the props made
a concoction, but it went bad.
So whatever they mixed it with
started smelling.
And there was a horrible smell
on set of putrifying bile.
EW Mona, but.
I also just say like the sounds
because Drew, Drew, Sheila
continues to get sick in the
background and you can hear her
while Joel’s like kind of
talking to the clients.
It’s really funny.
I always like those details.
It’s funny because, well, I
remember her talking about, I
don’t remember if it was duplex
or fever pitch because she
vomits in both of those, but she
definitely talked about how
important it was to her to get
like the sound right so.
I kind of remember her talking
about that too, and my instincts
is that it’s fever pitch, but
I’m not sure.
Yeah, I’m not sure.
Either.
But in this it’s like also
comedic because it’s over the
top.
Like, she sounds like she’s like
losing her body, which, yeah,
sort of.
Yeah, So Joe finds her like, he
gets the people out of the
house.
He finds her in the bathroom,
seemingly dead.
And there’s just like vomit all
over.
Like it’s just everyone.
And I was like whoa, they wasted
no time.
Like she’s quote UN quote dead
and we’re only 8 minutes into
the episode.
Like that’s faster than scream.
That’s crazy.
They just jump in right away.
I think she comes.
Back yeah right.
It is so funny to me when she
wakes up his reaction.
I don’t know if you have that
queued up, but if you could get
to that, I just, he’s really
funny in this.
I’m gonna say it again later but
like his timing and he’s just
cracks me up so much in this.
Sheila No, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no.
Did we get the offer?
What the fuck I’m OK I just
threw up like a fair amount.
What the fuck?
So good.
It’s really good.
And his expression, like he’s
got a great face anyway, but
just like.
Yeah, it’s interesting that he
was like kind of more of a
dramatic actor.
And he’s so funny.
He’s just so good.
And importantly, we have to note
that Sheila shows him this
possible organ that came out of
her and it looks like a little
meatball and it’s disgusting,
but it will be important later.
Yeah, I was.
That’s the thing.
I was like, oh, I remember what
happens with this.
And I was like, yeah, I was
like, we got to point out, don’t
forget the meatball.
I mean please.
Can I forget the meatball
please?
They can’t, and then they’re off
to the hospital where they’re
waiting like for a really long
time.
And we’ve got another really fun
clip right here that I think
summarizes this whole kind of
moment.
I really am feeling better,
honey.
I want to get you looked at.
Been here over 3 hours.
I just want to go home, get out
of these clothes and take a
bath.
Feel like a bus station, shit in
my mouth.
She doesn’t look too good.
She does kind of look like a bus
station.
Shit in her mouth.
This is where I was like, oh, I
see the frumpy.
Yeah, because she just, like,
literally really had admit got
sick all over herself.
So they decide to go home and
get cleaned up and they say
they’re going to call her
doctor, which doesn’t happen.
We get absence pretty quickly.
That her smell is her sense of
smell is heightened.
And I love how we figure it out.
She like, smells him almost look
like in his armpit.
And then she’s like, and then
she’s like, you know, I’m OK
with you smoking pot.
Like something I guess she
probably had been really uptight
about.
They’re giving like, yeah,
that’s.
What it feels like.
Yes.
And then that new realtor Gary
comes over with flowers and says
he took care of the cleaning
crew.
And then he goes on to tell Joel
that he’s taking over the house,
listing that like they had left
such a bad impression.
And Gary keeps reiterating just
how sane the amount of vomit
was, which is, which is really
funny, but he’s also just like,
it was a lot of lot of vomit.
It was.
Yeah, it was a lot.
And he’s already being kind of a
Dick here too.
Like a smarmy.
Dick, yeah, but it just gets
worse.
So, yeah, Meanwhile, Sheila is
changing really rapidly.
So she realizes she has no
heartbeat.
And like, Joel even goes and,
like, gets a stethoscope.
He can’t hear anything.
And she’s like, getting really
frisky out of nowhere.
Suddenly maybe she has a pound
one out kind of gal.
She’s, like, encouraging Joel to
go down on her.
She shows Joel and Abby, her
daughter that she doesn’t have
blood.
Like, she cuts herself and
instead, like, squeezes it in
this black ooze comes out so
sick, so gross.
It’s also really well done.
Yeah, it is well done.
She’s also eating raw meat.
So she’s standing at the kitchen
counter and Joel’s like, I can,
I can cook that up for you.
And she’s like, no.
It’s OK.
Theresa that this fake raw beef,
like almost made her throw up in
the sink and she’s like, of all
things, that was the one that
almost took me down.
Oh, I wonder what it was made of
like.
It was supposedly ground pasta
but I think.
I mean I would be the same way
if it looked convincing enough.
Like I can’t eat beyond burger
like I can’t get my head around.
It’s just too unappetizing to me
if.
It’s too much like meat.
Yeah, I didn’t think about that.
I was thinking more like about
the.
But of course, that makes total
sense.
I was thinking about, like what
it actually tasted like was
really gross.
But I bet it was probably
looking at it.
I don’t know, because it’s
that’s like, I don’t know, you
see it.
She’s literally eating it out of
like the container.
You get it out from the grocery
store, like that phone
container.
I can’t even.
Yeah.
So she doesn’t want to go to the
hospital and get poked and
prodded.
Like, come on, leave me alone.
I feel great.
Like she’s feeling really good.
Yeah.
So Abby calls their neighbor
Eric because he’s a creeper, a
big nerd who’s into that stuff.
Yeah.
And Eric determines that Sheila
is dead, undead.
And he also emphasizes they need
to make sure she stays fed.
He doesn’t want to call her a
zombie.
He said that that’s inherently
negative.
I don’t like that word.
I think it’s inherently
negative.
I don’t like it either.
Let’s not use it I.
Don’t feel dead and undead, I
feel the opposite, totally
alive.
She’s been very exuberant,
exuberant.
Yeah, they’re doing it a lot.
It’s.
Funny.
It is funny.
But yes, we get a sense that
Sheila’s feeling great.
Because she doesn’t want to go
to the doctor, man.
Because she’s living now.
Yeah.
She’s alive, she can smell now
she I mean, I’m sure that she
could smell before, but anyway
she they like go outside and
Sheila finds and just takes a
snail as a snack.
It’s pretty funny.
Snail snack, a little snail
snack, and then the jerk Dan
comes home to tell them artists
like find them all in his front
yard and Sheila gives them an
attitude which she like, was
pretty sheepish during their
last exchange.
So that’s like right away to see
that good contrast.
Yep.
And Joel is worried about Dan
being suspicious and asks Sheila
to kind of stop being so
impulsive about reacting to him.
Yeah.
Anything else?
Kind of like right away when
they go inside, she’s exclaiming
that she’s hungry and her
stomach’s like, she like, kind
of like moans at him.
She has her Drew puppy dog face,
yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
And at this point, like, he goes
out, I don’t remember if he’s
going out to get her food or
what it is, but then, yeah, then
Sheila and her daughter Abby run
off and buy a Range Rover when
she’s talking about it later.
I do love that you kind of,
like, pulled this out, she said.
I’ve been wanting one ever since
this morning.
And it said like so quickly and
like.
You know, yeah.
As if that’s like, like a
justification.
Yeah.
And then she joins the
neighbors, like these other
girls for a girls night.
She’s like, kind of dancing
sexily.
And Gary’s checking her out from
across the room.
What?
Ick, yeah.
But then Joel shows up and
interrupts and Gary tries to
pick a fight with him.
It’s so ridiculous.
It’s like, what?
Who would do this?
And then gets pretty gross with
Sheila.
It gets worse.
I know worse, I hate it, but we
do have to set up that this guy
is a piece of shit, right?
It’s like it pays off so.
It pays off the next.
Yeah, so it’s the next day, and
Joel’s, like, really losing it
over this toaster oven.
But it’s really about, you know,
what’s going on with Sheila.
Yeah.
And he’s just so funny.
He’s so good in it.
Yes, and I love how he keeps
like over sharing with the woman
at the store when he goes to buy
the stethoscope and then goes to
like try to get a new toaster
oven.
Yeah.
It’s a she’s without spoiling,
she like continues staying in
the show from what I recall.
Yes.
I was like, I feel like I
remember more of this character.
Yeah, yeah.
So Sheila’s gardening and she
looks so cute with her hair up
in that ponytail just like it
was like again, like I guess her
hair is kind of like down in her
face in the beginning and then
all of a sudden it’s like pulled
back and she looks all fresh.
But here comes Gary into the
backyard.
He just walks in the backyard
and he is like bites himself in,
super aggressive and rapey and
awful.
So she bites his fingers off and
then she’s like, Oh yeah, I love
this.
And then she continues to devour
him in their backyard.
He totally deserved it.
I’m sorry.
You know what?
I’m not sorry.
He.
Was there he I mean, I think
that it tends to be that
whatever that these people is
that she goes for will get into.
I mean, we’re getting into more.
They deserve it in one way or.
Another, yeah.
He’s an asshole, but he also
continues to be a character.
I’ll say that that’s that’s.
True, that’s true.
Interesting.
It’s really gruesome, like right
away, but it’s very like.
It’s kind of funny because when
I see that exact shot, like
where we see her like beating
him, it’s actually I would say
more gruesome than her death and
scream, but in a way that it
really is like if you put them
side by side, I would say it’s
grosser and more gory.
But like that shot and scream
had to be like edited down, yes,
like frame by frame to speed it
up so that they wouldn’t get an
X rating.
And it’s just so crazy, like how
things have changed that much
that like, like 20 years later,
this is just on TV, Netflix, but
TV, you know?
Right, it is kind of wild.
So Joel comes home and he is
looking for his wife and is
going to walk in on quite a
sight.
Quite a sight.
Sheila, we need to talk.
Last night was bullshit.
Sheila.
Shit.
Oh, Joel.
I really want to make this work.
Yeah, so the show ends literally
with us seeing Sheila with the
entire body of Gary in front of
her, guts and shit everywhere.
Yeah, with this silly music also
like that sets the tone.
Definitely.
I think it’s a good thing.
Sometimes I complain about
music, you know, writing cars
with boys.
But in this one, it’s the it’s
the right vibe to make it funny
because it’s supposed to be
funny.
It’s disgusting, but it’s funny.
Anyway, yeah, I love that it
ends on this like funny but
really gruesome.
Like the the tone is 100% with
the first episode.
The tone is set.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
It’s pretty.
Strong we end with this like
this is not great, like we’re
I’m going to be killing people,
but let’s figure out how to make
this happen and we’re A-Team,
right, yes.
And I love the, like, Joel’s,
like, shrug.
He’s, like, awkwardly smiling
and, like, the biggest shrug
ever.
Like OK.
I mean, that’s one of the things
I remember loving so much about
the show is their relationship
and like, they’re like, we’re in
this together.
And how he, like, supports her
even through this horrible thing
that’s going on.
Like Drew said a lot in the
press, Junk and stuff, that she
didn’t want to see a couple
fighting.
She’s like, I’ve had enough of
that and it’s great.
Like, even though there was this
little minor conflict, you know,
at the bar when he showed up,
but like, they’re A-Team.
Yeah, they are a team.
It’s a great depiction of a
marriage.
And like a family too, like the
daughter is like, she is like
supportive and confused but also
curious.
And then like that kid Eric
becomes like part of their crew,
like.
Yeah, doesn’t she like, like say
we should adopt him?
I feel sad that he has such a
bad home life.
Yes, so cute.
She does.
And Joel’s like, no, what are
you thinking?
But I feel like he becomes like
part of the crew 100.
Percent absolutely show.
Yep, Yep.
You get more of him, yeah, but I
feel like it’s this is well set
up.
This is so great.
I’m so glad.
It’s funny.
I always think of this as a
summer show because I remember
they always filmed over the
summer.
Yeah.
So it’s like whenever I find out
it came out in February, I’m
like, that feels wrong.
So I’m just treating it as it’s
a summer show because it’s our
summer show.
We are going to continue this
all summer long.
Episodes 2-3 and four are going
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We’ll try again not to spoil
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I’m so glad we’re finally doing
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Yeah, me too.
This is like a great excuse to
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We always need an excuse to
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I don’t.
Know.
Why can’t we just do it?
It’s my excuse.
Well, like I was saying earlier,
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It’s not work, but like making
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It puts it on the calendar and
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I totally agree.
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How Do You Drew Episode 132 – Diary
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I’m Anne.
And I’m Ashley and this week you
guys, we are actually discussing
Drews episode of MTV Diary
because we finally digitized
that shit.
I don’t know.
We’ve probably referred to Diary
on this podcast 70 times.
I mean, I don’t know, but also
thanks to our sponsor and
friends of Positive Media for
helping us get this digitized
like big.
Thanks, Oh my God.
Like Ashley pushed me to get the
tape from my parents house.
I brought it back.
We decided we were going to do
this like literally a few days
ago, sent the tape over to Chris
and he got it digitized for us.
So yes, that’s why we’re able to
do this.
It was so exciting for me to
watch it just on like my VCR but
then also like having it on the
computer.
Is so.
Oh my gosh, yeah.
Like, really, We couldn’t have
done this without positive
medium.
Just another reason to say thank
you to them.
Yes, yes, yes.
Let’s get into the top of the
show.
So we are going to go back in
time for the first time right
now for this week in Drew
history.
All right, this time around I
selected June 25th, 1989, and I
had a couple reasons for
selecting this.
It might not seem interesting at
first, but OK.
So Drew attended a Children’s
AIDS Foundation benefit at the
Comedy Store.
I had to do a little digging to
find out that that’s where it
was.
So I thought, first of all,
that’s kind of cool because we
know her mom had worked there
and she kind of grew up going
there.
Yeah, she attended this with her
friend and roommate at the time,
Ele Keats.
This is when Drew first moved
out, quote, UN quote, on her
own.
She was living with her slightly
older but still teenage friend.
Yeah.
She wore a really fun outfit
with these huge peace sign
earrings.
Those are like always what I
think of when I think.
Of this and I love the length of
her hair.
There’s something about like her
whole look here in the striped
skirt like I’ve always loved
this look.
The cowboy boots I could like
leave her take but like the rest
of the outfit is really cute and
those peace sign earrings like
are really cool and they look
great in photographs too.
Yeah, I know.
They really do.
So she’s 14 here.
And the reason I said this is
like, more interesting than
maybe at first glance because
this is like, such a weird time
in her life where she has come
out of ASAP the program for the
first time or I guess several
times if you think of her going
back and forth to film movies
and all that.
But her story had already been
broken for months.
Now.
It’s public.
But at this time, she had
relapsed and was keeping it a
secret.
So if you.
Yeah.
And it’s like, you don’t want to
read too much into, like, her
face in these pictures, she
looks really happy.
It’s like very crazy that this
is like she’s struggling so much
secretly.
And yeah, if you guys want to
know more about this time, the
last two chapters of Little Girl
Lost will tell you about all of
this.
And we covered that in depth on
our Patreon.
If you don’t know, if you like,
get over there and listen.
We’re really going to have
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Patreon coming up in a minute
here.
But we will.
Yeah.
So just less than 10 days after
this event Drew had her like cry
for help self harm incident and
went back to ASAP.
So like.
Right in this really, really
like yeah, what’s the word I
want?
I was gonna say vital time, but
like a.
Vulnerable.
Vulnerable, absolutely.
But yeah, like it’s all.
I was also like, wow, she’s 14.
Like I know that like 14.
I mean she like looks like an
adult in the.
Pictures.
I know, it’s wild.
She does look so happy in these,
I know.
You know, I think her happiness
ebbed and flowed at this time.
I think we know she was kind of
like pushing it down that what
she had done, like trying to,
you know, compartmentalize that
she’d broken her sobriety and.
Yeah, we do get into this in the
Patreon episodes about it and
like, yeah, cool.
I like that you pulled that one.
That’s it.
Let’s like you’re right, it has
some layers to it that you
wouldn’t expect.
Totally.
Yeah.
OK, so we’ve got a little bit
here for what’s new with Drew,
so let’s hear that.
Here we go with the news,
everybody.
OK, so we kind of teased this in
our last episode because we
recorded it before the Tony
Awards had happened and we were
like, we’ll see if she shows up.
She did.
She did end up attending.
I’m gonna guess CBS reasons why
because she’s posing with like
CBS Paramount people on the.
Right, red carpet like it’s
obligatory.
Yeah, yeah.
She didn’t like do anything
there.
She just attended it.
So that’s sort of interesting.
Yeah, it is.
It is interesting but also so
cool to see her out and about.
I know we like say that every
time she does go out and about
but.
It is so special.
What do you want to say about
this outfit?
Do you want me to like, judge
it?
Is that what you’re wondering?
Well, I did like that your
reaction when I sent you a photo
was OK, Magician Drew.
I forgot that I said that.
Right, Because she’s got these
like long white gloves on, like
opera gloves, but totally like a
magician because it’s just black
and white.
Like she just needs a top hat
basically.
I totally see it.
But I forgot that I said that.
Yeah, it was kind of
interesting.
So our friend at at Drew
Barrymore Rebel on Instagram, I
don’t know if she was saying it
was the exact same outfit or
just saying it was similar, but
it’s very similar to this outfit
that she wore in 2018 to like a
flower beauty Ulta beauty event
that she did this little
function.
Yeah, because it’s like a white
button up collared shirt with a
long attached white cape like.
It really does look similar, so.
Similar, but then when and you
were like, I’m not so sure.
I started like zooming in and I
was like, oh, they’re not the
same top.
But it’s hilarious to me that
she has worn two such similar
outfits and it’s not the same
thing.
And this like cape is definitely
attached, like it’s like on all
sides.
I guess I don’t know, maybe not.
Maybe the cape is the same?
It’s such a similar outfit.
I was going to say actually
comparing like those two looks.
I much prefer her shirt tucked
in with a high waisted pant than
like definitely yeah than the
other like longer kind of tunic
like length shirt.
Anyway, she does look, I think
it’s cuter now than I think I
first when I first saw it like
OK, I’m not sure how I feel
about the white gloves still,
but.
It’s a look, she’s having fun.
For like a red carpet, Yeah,
it’s cute.
It’s cute, cool, I’m glad for
her to see her out and about
like I just said.
OK, so let’s just talk about a
couple of new beautiful
furniture pieces that I was able
to spot on walmart.com.
You’re like the master.
But I just go and I go like all
and I just scroll until I see
something I don’t recognize.
Like it really is like tedious,
but I just do it because I
really want to see it.
I would never know about
anything new if it wasn’t for
you.
Right.
I wish they like did a better
job of like pointing you in the
right place.
So, so these are really cool
because they’re like rad and
they’re Drew’s line, but they
have Drew’s like family names
tied into some of the pieces.
And that’s really cool.
And you figured that out like
pretty quickly, ’cause I sent
you a link to like, what was it?
The drink table?
You sent me to one that was the
Lane drink table and I did not
make the connection.
And then I think I saw like the
Maurice TV stand and I just wait
a second.
I’m wait a second.
And I started putting it
together.
So there’s the Louisa swivel
chair and the Lane drink table.
So Drew’s great great
grandmother is Louisa Lane.
Then there was a Blythe drink
table and a Maurice TV stand.
And her great grandfather is
Herbert Blythe, who changed his
name to Maurice Barrymore.
That’s where Barrymore comes
from.
And then there’s also two items
that are named May Mae, A
bookcase and an end table.
And I was.
They’re really pretty.
Yeah.
It’s a nice color.
And I was thinking it was her
great grandmother May Costello.
So Dolores’s mom.
Yeah.
But it’s also possible this is
named for Ethel because May was
her middle name, so spelled the
same.
So I don’t know.
So.
I think both I would guess.
Yeah, I could be both.
It’s really neat.
And then I saw that there is
maybe a chair coming and I think
it’s going to be named after
Georgiana Drew, who is the
mother of John, right, Lionel
and Ethel.
So that looks like it’s.
Really cute, like it looks like
the Drew chair.
I don’t know if it’s as big.
And then they’re like velvety.
They’re like really cute.
Like yeah, the pink one is I
thought would be your style.
Of course, but those are not on
Walmart yet.
Just some weird random person
posted.
Yeah, that’s so funny.
And I had noticed that pink one
in the background of some of the
other new pictures, and I was
like, oh, that’s so cute.
Like in the background.
I always do that, and then I
look in the background to see
what kind of things are there,
like pictures on the wall, and
sometimes it’ll be like months
and then they’ll release one of
those other things.
That’s so cool.
Like a vase on the table.
I’ve just like tuned in I.
Feel like the beautiful
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All right.
I think we’re ready to get into
diary.
Finally, the day has come.
Yes, yes, yes.
OK, so if you guys know, you
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So like for our Patreon members,
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This is the diary of Drew Blythe
Barrymore Green.
Right off the bat, it’s like so
interesting that she was using
that name.
She did it when she did SNL.
She did it when she was doing
the book signings at this time.
Yes, where I met her for the
first time, which was literally
within the weeks of this.
Which is so crazy.
But also, yeah, like my our
books are signed Drew Blyth
Barrymore Green.
But yeah, hearing her say all
four names just puts us in the
place and the time.
Very.
Distinctly.
So let’s kind of give the
background.
So if you guys maybe are younger
or maybe you just don’t
remember.
So Diary was a show on MTV, and
here’s the description of it
just from Google that I think is
pretty accurate.
So viewers are given an
unrestricted invitation into the
life of a celebrity who narrates
their own story on camera as
they go about their business at
home and on the road.
So it was really neat.
I mean, before social media,
this was such an intimate way to
see a celebrity’s real, normal
life.
That’s.
Such a good point.
This is so on social media,
Yeah.
It kind of like for us it was
like groundbreaking, but like, I
mean, that kind of stuff now is
so fleeting.
Like, I mean, this was too, I
guess.
But MTV, what a great idea we
love.
Seriously.
So this aired on MTV starting in
February 2000.
That’s when the first episode
came out.
Drew’s episode was filmed during
the week of September 24th
through 28th, so Monday through
Friday in the year 2001.
And it aired as the first
episode of season 5 on October
And then that was in part to
promote riding in cars with
boys.
And that’s such a fast turn
around.
Like they within like 3 weeks
they had it edited.
Now it’s kind of blows my mind.
Yeah, it’s pretty cool though.
Like, I love that they were
like, you know, here’s like a
couple weeks ago in the life of
this person.
Yeah.
I mean, we’re obsessed with
that.
You guys can tell we’re like
excitedly talking about.
We haven’t even really gotten
into it.
So the I’m in addition to like
footage that’s filmed that
follows her like in an everyday
life, there’s also a sit down
interview that’s sort of
interspliced throughout the
episode and it looks like it
might have been filmed a little
bit later.
You pointed out her hair’s a
little bit darker.
It’s also like styled so
differently.
It’s.
Hard to tell, right?
Or like how her hair was in
October, which sounds so like
close together.
But she really did change her
hair that often back then,
right?
Exactly and this this was also
filmed right in the aftermath of
So you guys don’t know what that
is.
Look it up.
Never forget also, that
definitely comes into play
throughout the episode.
Like she’s discussing it
throughout like like a couple of
times, even if it’s just like
kind of vaguely this is what’s
happening in the world.
Like it really.
That frames this a lot as well.
It’s kind of crazy that this was
in between 9:11 and then the
whole thing when she hosted SNL
where the anthrax was in the
building.
Like, we’re just in a state of,
like, freaked out fear in this
country at this time.
I mean, I’m sure you can totally
remember how everything felt.
Oh, yeah.
And this, like, takes me back to
that time because I, you know,
we watched this as it aired and,
like, flashed it obsessively.
And it really is like such a
weird time in history and a
weird time in Drews life too.
Like 2001 is a weird time in her
life.
Yeah, it is.
I’m sure we did an episode of
We haven’t interesting.
Yeah, we’ve covered.
We covered a movie line from
that year, which I think.
Wrapped up a lot of.
A lot of it, yeah.
OK, so let’s get back into it a
little bit before we actually,
before we get into it, there’s
one more thing I wanted to point
out because this is just such a
cool part about how this is
edited.
When you were saying like fast
turn around.
I’m like, yeah.
And they did this whole thing.
So also throughout the episode,
there are black and white.
And there’s a couple color ones,
too, I remembered.
And they look like film
photographs, maybe stills, maybe
some combination of them.
And they’re of Drew.
And they’re also spliced in with
these videos.
So there’s a lot of, like,
transferring between things, but
it’s very seamless while also
being like, I don’t know,
really.
Like, it’s really well done,
like, really beautiful.
And they’re like, they just
showed at the same time as the
video.
Like a picture will be like, oh,
here’s the same scene.
She was just talking here in her
car, but here’s like a
photograph.
Yeah.
And they were cool.
Do you remember?
They’re so tiny.
They’re from the MTV website.
Like they put some of them up
there at the time.
And, you know, back then things
were just so small on the
Internet.
So they’re like itty bitty
little picture.
They’re like 200 pixels wide.
Yeah, but at least we have them.
Oh yes, and I didn’t realize we
had them just like on like in
our drive saved like I.
Definitely need to take like
screenshots of every single one
right that they show, but that’s
a whole different thing.
Right.
OK, so the episode starts and
the cool thing is we get the
exact dates that they’re filmed
through, says the date.
So as an archivist, chefs,
absolutely, Absolutely.
Actually not chef’s kiss.
I think they say like 01 instead
of 2001 on the screen.
I have a problem with that.
But we would never think it was
So Drew tells us it’s September
And it starts off with us.
We’re withdrew and she’s driving
around LA and she’s talking
about how she had just hung an
American flag on her front door
with a sign that she had made
that says now is the time to be
brave.
And that definitely like it
takes on a different connotation
now, right.
Like, yeah, American flag.
It’s it’s so interesting how
much that has changed. 25 years.
Yeah, that’s that’s put a lot of
like change.
Yeah, again, this is just 911.
It just happened, just happened.
And she also shares that she’s
given blood and made anonymous
donations, and she’s just like,
trying to do what she can to
help, but she’s really
overwhelmed with everything
that’s going on.
And then she starts getting
really emotional and she
basically like shuts down the
conversation, which is sort of
unusual to see.
Yeah, it is.
Let’s.
Not talk about that, OK.
Like even her voice changes can
from how she was sounding right
before.
Yeah, she kind of like, just
like you said, shuts it down.
Let’s not talk about that, OK?
And she’s like smiling too.
Like, let’s just go on to.
Smiling, but a little like we’re
not going to do this anymore.
We’re done.
Yeah.
And then Drew talks about
filming riding cars with boys
and how well-being Bev Beverly
in the movie, she didn’t smile
or say hi to people.
But normally who I am, I’d, you
know, be like, hi, how are you
flowers and dances and
butterflies.
I remember watching that with
Rocco and he was like, that’s
you, that’s how you are.
Never forget.
I was like, hell yeah.
You’re like, that’s the goal,
dude.
Do you not understand?
And Drew comes into a studio to
loop dialogue with Penny
Marshall, which is basically
like they’re putting dialogue
over parts in the movie where
the audio wasn’t perfect.
Drew’s like kind of saying like
she understands that sometimes
it’s necessary, but she really
prefers the original performance
because you were like there in
the moment.
So it’s it’s a hard thing to do.
I can’t even imagine how
annoying that would be to try to
like, put yourself back months
later.
And yeah, yeah, it’s, it’s an
interesting job.
It looks, it looks hard.
You know, it like it does.
And then she goes on for a while
describing her relationship with
Penny Marshall.
She calls it incredible and
insane and intense.
And she said she says like kind
of in a like, I don’t know, it
feels like.
Vague.
I don’t know.
It’s vague, but in a way that’s
like, I don’t know.
She says she doesn’t think many
directors do things the way that
Penny does.
And I feel like it’s kind of
like, like Drew has worked with
a lot of people and for her to
have helped something different
about the way Penny does things.
Also, we know that they clashed.
In some ways, I’m very
interested.
It’s, you know, as you know,
it’s not one of my favorite
movies, but when we do cover it,
I can’t wait to dive into how
Penny kind of put Drew through a
lot.
That movie filmed for like 8
months, like a ridiculously long
shoot.
And I was just kind of skimming
Penny’s memoir and she’s not
very nice to Drew in it.
She basically, I didn’t even
want her for the part.
And it’s like kind of
complaining about it the whole
time.
And yeah, it was just
interesting to, like, go into
watching this part where Drew is
like trying to be really nice
and be like, oh, she like,
brought so much out of me that I
normally I wouldn’t have done
otherwise.
Yeah.
At what cost, though?
Well, I feel like what Penny was
probably doing was trying to
like completely change what Drew
is and the crazy.
Thing is, I think Drew’s vision
for the movie, now I’m going to
go off on a soapbox because I
have strong feelings about this
movie.
I think Drew wanted it to be
more dramatic, yes.
And I think Penny turned it into
this like, cheesy, schmaltzy,
goofy thing that is maybe a
little more normal.
Drew, it’s kind of weird.
It is weird because I feel like
she was like push, like pushing
Drew down to be like Bev, which
Drew want.
I don’t know.
Yeah, we can.
We’ll get into it when we do
that movie because yeah, we got
to talk about and I also like I,
I, I’m due for a rewatch of
that.
Anyway.
Just to like reassess, also like
watching because I remember like
liking the movie but feeling
like, why did that feel not
quite right?
There’s something not quite
right about it totally.
And I blame Penny.
I love in this part when she’s
looping the dialogue and she
says you know what the problem
is?
My voice isn’t raspy enough and
then she just like, turns around
and screams at the top of her
lungs like it’s so.
Drew.
Yeah.
And then she’s like, OK, She’s
like ready to go.
It’s so sweet.
But then she has to rerecord the
very end of the movie.
She sings the song Dream and she
has to rerecord it.
The audio isn’t right and she is
so pissed about this.
She’s not happy.
No, she’s literally going, this
is going to suck and she looks
miserable doing it.
Like I, I know she doesn’t think
of herself as like a great
singer or whatever, but like
it’s not supposed to sound
amazing or anything, you know?
It’s just this girl and her dad
singing in the car, so.
I know she’s so miserable
redoing.
So unhappy.
Like I had to put the like
straight faced emojis because
that’s like totally how she
feels.
Yes, yeah.
She also gets herself to cry to
do some of the dialogue.
And I thought this was cool
because they very briefly show
her sort of like, crying in
Penny’s lap.
Yeah, almost like Penny helped
her get to that place and we
just covered gun crazy where
Tamara Davis was saying Drew
didn’t want to cry fake.
I had to help her actually get
upset and cry and how it was so
hard and made her so sad to do
that to Drew.
And I was like, oh, that’s like
what she’s having Penny do here.
I bet it’s kind of cool.
I.
Feel like there’s even another
director who’s talked about
like.
Well, Wes Craven.
Thinking about her thinking, Oh
yes, helping her thinking of
something really upsetting so
that she could get really upset
on screen.
They had their secret story,
which isn’t really that secret.
I won’t go into detail, but.
I think I know it.
Entailed animal abuse, yes, and
if he would talk about it would
help her get to that place to
cry.
So yeah, maybe Penny was telling
her something like that too.
Who knows?
Or just like talking to her
normally and then.
Baby, baby, you’re not good
enough for the spot.
I didn’t want you.
It’s a perfect Penny Marshall
impression.
Thanks, it was so right on.
Yes.
And then Drew also struggles
with promoting riding cars with
boys post 911, of course, and
says that part of her wants to
just go up to Canada and live in
an RV.
And I was like, didn’t Tom
actually do that?
I think, yeah, it’s something
like that, but also it’s the
magic car.
What’s that?
Oh, it’s the RV, Dougie.
It’s the magic car, home away
from home.
Speaking of her singing voice.
Now I get why she was crying
when she had to sing.
No, just kidding.
We love you, Drew.
We did not know that connection
was going to come right up
immediately.
That’s very funny.
OK, so back in the car just
driving again and she’s dancing
to this like groovy, sort of
Indian inspired music.
I would say she’s like you can’t
get mad about traffic when this
is playing.
And I love that.
I love that.
I love how she’s kind of
dancing.
You guys will have to go watch
it if you want to see.
And she also starts talking
about energy fields.
And I just thought like as like
hippie groovy as Drew can be.
I really liked what she.
Said there, me too.
And you’ll hear a little bit of
the Indian music too, because
it’s in the background.
Oh, perfect.
I believe in energy fields, and
every person has 1.
And I believe that the energy
field glows in its most
beautiful color when you’re
laughing.
So sweet.
It’s just the perfectly like
perfect Drew thing to say too.
That is a great It’s not a
Drewism because it’s not creepy
or gross.
That’s a perfect Drew quote.
And it also means that this
podcast is just shooting
rainbows out of our asses
constantly because we’re always
laughing together.
That is true.
There are rainbows coming out of
my own ass all the time, OK.
And then Drew talks about how
she always knew she’d marry a
funny man and talks about
fantasizing talking to Tom in
the mirror, which I like.
Like also like thinking about
like the Wedding Singer when
she’s like talking.
In the mirror and.
Then she says, and now I’m
married to him, which is it’s
very cute the way she talks
about him.
These like few scenes of her
coming up.
She’s like around Tom and it’s
interesting.
You’ll point out in a second why
they go to Tom’s production
office.
Yeah.
And they go in and she’s like
husband, husband.
I always.
Love that.
And yeah, I I just couldn’t get
over.
She seems so in love with him,
like maybe her more than he was
seeming into her in these clips.
But he’s, you know, he’s always
like on.
On the camera so.
Who knows?
Yeah.
But yeah, she is just like, oh,
oh, she talks about how he makes
her laugh and she loves him so
much, and she’s just, like,
kissing him and just looking up
into his face with all this
adoration.
I’m like, they’re less than
three months away from him
filing for divorce.
Like how can life change that
fast?
I had a thought when I read your
note there that like think of
being married to Drew while she
was going through being Bev.
Yeah, yeah.
Because I wonder like, I mean,
OK.
So how long were and then the
house burns down?
And then the house burned down.
They went through a lot of shit.
They went through a lot.
They did and and like withdrew.
I don’t know she they went
through a lot, but also we’ve
talked about this and I think
like there was a lot of good
that came out of that too.
Like I think he was good to her.
I think she like learned what
she like couldn’t do for someone
in a relationship and she talks
about more in this.
Too.
Yeah, She also said something in
this.
I didn’t note it, but it was
something along the lines of,
like, how he, like, balances her
out or makes her a little more
sane.
And we’ve talked about that
before.
Like, that’s sort of surprising.
You wouldn’t expect Tom Green to
be the more grounded one, but he
does come from a much more
normal background than she.
Does and yeah.
They worked in a lot of ways and
then they didn’t.
So they do talk about.
I forgot how when they were both
away filming when she was doing
riding cars with boys and he was
doing Freddie got fingered.
They’d make each other love
packages of letters and
pictures.
You know, perfect classic snail
mail.
Drew Yes.
Someone sent me a letter.
Exactly, Exactly She.
Loves paper.
I love paper.
Yeah.
Yes.
And I thought this was kind of
interesting.
She starts to tell this story
about him coming to New York to
visit him.
And he’s like, I think I’d like
to keep some of the stuff
private.
And I was like, whoa.
Usually it’s him who’s living
out their entire relationship in
the meeting.
Their things online and yeah,
yeah, I mean, I think that he
like she didn’t he had a
different line that she than she
did depending.
I don’t know, like he was will.
I mean, he was like willing to
share like mundane parts of
their life, you know, just like
selfies of them on his page or
whatever.
But like, I don’t know what is
it for her?
She wants to share how in love
they are.
Yeah.
I don’t know.
Oh, interesting.
I feel like we could just go on
and on about.
Them her thing is more intimate
in a way.
Yeah, OK.
You’re right.
You know, I don’t know.
I don’t know.
He gives a little tour of his
office and then I was so happy
to freakin finally we have this
again because he shows a picture
from their wedding of the two of
them.
And if you guys don’t know, we
actually have a whole episode
about all of her weddings we do.
But there are like no real
photos of their wedding that
we’ve ever seen.
They’re just like shitty
paparazzi pictures, right?
So this is like the one that
exists where they’re actually
like looking at the camera and
posing.
And it’s very cute and very
sweet.
It is.
It’s very cute and like how
Tom’s like and no goatee.
I look like an idiot.
Yeah.
I like how when we were talking
about diary, you’re like, I just
need to get a snapshot of the
wedding picture because
everything has like that later.
Yeah.
It’s like you’ve been like
you’ve been like forming,
reforming it in your mind,
waiting for it to like reveal
itself to you in reality.
It’s just been living on that
VHS tape and now, finally, it’s
in the archive.
Yes.
And then to kind of wrap up this
day, there’s Drew doing the two
camera interview from later on.
And she reveals that through
marriage she has found out how
controlling she really.
I love this part too, just the
way she delivers it.
I hate that word compromise.
I’m going to hate the word
compromise, but it’s necessary.
But it’s.
Necessary.
I do remember, like I want to
say it’s Jay Leno, like kind of
questioning her on this because
she kind of brought it up to him
to like how she’s had to learn
how to compromise.
And I feel like it was him and
he’s like, well, I hope you’re
not like changing yourself for
him, right?
But I mean, she’s right.
Like you can’t make all the
decisions in your relationship,
right?
Right, Right.
Totally.
But also it’s, it’s funny, like
I think we like it so much
because of her expression and
how she has her delivery right.
Of course.
OK, so now let’s move on to
September 25th of 2001.
We’re in the Flower Films
office, which we love this kind
of stuff.
We love seeing the inside of
like her workplace, on her home
place and all those things.
We should have mentioned this is
the one on Sunset.
So this is their first one
before they got there kind of
more.
We always say like sophisticated
grown up version on Santa
Monica.
This is like the Romper room as
it was often referred to.
Totally.
And we get a sighting of Chris
Young Chris Miller, our friend
Chris Miller.
So cute.
I know.
They’re so adorable.
Drew starts talking about
starting the company in her
living room so that she could
just fall on her face in
private, just doing her own
space.
I love that.
I love thinking about like that
being a reason, like I can do it
safely in my own space.
And then we get a tour of the
Flower Films office, which we
love so much.
God, we were just obsessed with
this.
We were obsessed with this.
Yes.
And I, I’d forgotten a lot of,
like, the details of the inside
of it.
So it was kind of fun to, like,
rewatch that.
Like, I remember so much of the
dialogue, but then, like, seeing
the spaces again, just fun.
Yeah.
So she goes into her personal
office.
You pointed out that it looks
really different from when it
was photographed from Marie
Claire, which 99 is that when
that one came out and that had
like a bulletin board a couple
years prior, which also like
that we’ve been obsessed with
like all parts of it.
I only recently like started
going, is this actually the same
space as that?
Because I think I was watching
Ruby Wax and I started like
doing comparisons and I realized
like, oh, this is that.
Room She.
Just took the whole bulletin
board down again like a more
grown up version it almost felt
like.
Yeah, exactly.
The Charlie’s Angels dolls, the
ones of all the angels, are up
in her office and she said they
did a great job and they gave me
a hot body.
So thanks a lot.
So cute.
It’s so silly.
And then she shows basically
their movie poster wall, so all
the movies that they did any
sort of work on.
So that does include Scream and
The Wedding Singer and Ever
After, even though they were
just kind of like, yes,
producers and training on those.
And then all the other actual
Flower Films productions.
It’s always bothered me that the
posters are not up in
chronological order.
Yes.
I know.
But it’s just what it is, and
it’s kind of funny they they
have Donnie Darko up right and
it hadn’t come out.
Yet it’s like way in the corner,
yeah.
And we’re just like a few weeks
away from that coming out, too.
When did you have that poster
mailed to you?
Is it right around this time
too?
No, it was earlier the year
prior.
It was December 2000.
They like barely wrapped the
movie like it was like 2 months
later.
That’s right, it’s even crazier.
Like what?
I never really thought about
that.
Why did they have the poster
that early?
Weird.
It is weird and really cool.
Mysteries of the Universe
special.
And then we get all these really
cute and funny footage.
Of course, she’s got her dogs at
the office, and we get to see
them just being their goofy,
happy little selves.
Yes, and her introductions are
the best.
Well, there’s Nazi and Vivian
and Templeton.
Vivian.
Vivian and Templeton, and she’s
talking about how the dogs keep
her in reality, and she probably
needs that.
You know, it’s like, yeah, I can
see they make life more normal
for her.
Yeah, keep her grounded.
Totally.
We get a staff meeting in the
war room that’s like actually
says it on the door, which is so
cute.
Nancy Juvonen isn’t there, but
Drew like, briefly mentions
talking to her on the phone.
And they were working on a
Barrymore documentary, which I’m
like, RIP, cry face.
But do you remember in 2022 in
Drew magazine, she shared a
picture of her and Chris and it
said working on a new Flower
Films project.
And the Barrymore’s book is on
the table in front of them.
And I’m like, maybe it’s still
something she really wants to
do.
It just like hasn’t happened.
I hope so.
I mean, I like when you’re
saying rest in peace.
I’m sort of like, like, is it
gone?
Yeah.
I wonder why it hasn’t gotten
off the ground.
And it’s so interesting how in
this episode, when they’re
talking about the Barrymore
documentary, Drew says something
like, I want to talk to people
who knew them.
Yes.
And I feel like that moment is.
Yes.
Yeah, it’s that is gone that.
All those people are gone, yeah.
that’s a lot of time.
So it has been 25 years.
I mean, I wonder which is so
wild. 25 years this year.
What?
I guess this is our anniversary
episode.
We didn’t even think about it.
Oopsie.
Totally planned that.
Speaking of that book, I meant
to grab it real quick because
Drew does share a story here in
diary in the staff meeting about
she said someone, and she
doesn’t say who it is.
I had recently told her when
she’d visited, so I think it’s
her dad.
Yeah.
This story about her
grandfather, John Barrymore was
told by an quote, a quote,
Indian tribesmen, not my words
to kill a black bear and have
his wife Dolores eat the heart
and then he’d bear a son.
And she goes in nine months to
the day she had my father.
So it’s like 1 of that Barrymore
lore, right?
Like, yes, I mean, I went down
like a weird probably because of
this research.
I went down like a Barrymore
deep dive last night.
And there’s just so much that,
like, I can’t be a Barrymore
historian.
It’s too much.
I can only do Drew.
I know whenever I even think
about doing our like doing a
Barrymore episode, I get really
overwhelmed.
Totally like about the thought
of it because I would want to
like we’d have to just focus on
like the core because if there’s
yeah, it’s it really like
spreads out.
It’s like it’s.
And there’s all these stories
that it’s like, who even knows
if that’s true?
It’s probably a myth, but it’s
great.
It’s great to hear.
Like, I mean, it’s is it more
it’s more wild to think of the
story of her grandfather John
being carried around by his
friends, his dead body to like
bars for like one last party.
Like, I like to think that
that’s true.
And I like to think that this is
also somehow true.
But like, who knows?
It’s like Barrymore lore.
Like you said, Barrymore lore.
Barrymore lore, I like it.
So Drew points to her
grandfather John’s picture on
the wall in the office and talks
about how he has all these crazy
characters that he would play
and that she knows what she
does, what she does because of
her family.
Like, she really feels it
deeply.
We both love that in this part.
She, like, scrunches up her face
and hands, like Doctor Jekyll.
And she’s talking about John’s
crazy characters.
Like, it’s really fun to write.
Like, she gets so animated
talking about her family, and
she always kind of says the same
thing.
Like they’re watching me like.
Yes.
Oh yeah, and it’s funny that
like her impressions of him have
stayed the same.
Like the scrunched up face with
the fingers, like she’s been
doing that.
So she was little describing his
characters.
That’s so true.
I love that.
He acted like these crazy wild
characters and I know exactly
why I have this need to run
around and act like a scary
monster because he infiltrated
that with me.
You have to thank the people
that have inspired you in this
world and try and emulate them.
That’s what we’re doing here,
girl.
Hell yeah, that is exactly what
we’re doing here.
I remember that, like speaking
to me when this aired and like,
yes, that’s how I feel.
About you, Drew.
Yes, exactly.
And I actually have been able to
thank her since then.
Like I would never have imagined
at this time that I would have
had the opportunity to do
anything to show how much she
has meant to me.
And I mean, I would have been
like just meeting for the here
for the first time and assuming
it was going to be the only
time, you know, like.
Unbelievable.
And that was even wild.
That was blowing my mind, you
know?
Crazy of.
Course.
One really cool thing about this
every once in a while MTV comes
through so they have extended
additional footage of this kind
of tour through the flower films
offices that they released on
their MTV Vault YouTube in
September 2020.
And it’s like, it’s like about 6
minutes, but there’s tons of
stuff that is not included in
the regular diary episode.
And it’s, I mean, if you guys
are like anything like us and
just can’t get enough of this,
you gotta go watch it.
It’s pretty amazing.
And it’s like nice quality, too,
Yeah.
I know and that was the other
cool thing to like see some of
the shots that like because they
do have ones that are.
Are.
Yeah, and.
It’s like, oh, it looks so much
better than this VHS copy Oh
well, totally.
Oh well.
Happy to have what we have, but
yeah, sometimes MTV comes
through, but I feel like they’re
stingy with their vault.
Oh, their vault has so much true
in it we’ve never seen.
I just know it.
You gotta get in there.
OK, so back to the regular
episode.
Drew’s friend and frequent, very
frequent makeup artist Jillian
Fink Dempsey.
She was going by Jill Dempsey in
the like lower 3rd on the
screen, but she was also Jillian
Fink.
And anyway, she arrives at the
offices and it’s I love that
there’s no like explanation for
this.
Drew just starts calling her
the.
Yosh Fish doesn’t.
Swim and like saying all these,
Yeah, she’s just saying like
inside jokes and whoever was
editing was like, I’ll just
leave that in there.
Yeah.
And Drew shares how she and
Jillian had met about 7 years
prior on a shoot and noticed
that they kept laughing at the
same things.
And the earliest I’ve been like
sort of sort of trying to track
their earliest collaboration.
We don’t have complete records
of everyone, every shoot Drew
did, who did the hair and
makeup, but we know for sure
Jillian did Saturday morning
cartoons in mid 90, five and as
of now that’s the earliest one
we have.
Right.
Of there there could be
something else, but so she’s.
Pretty close on the guess.
Of seven years, yeah, for true,
that’s pretty good.
Yeah.
Yeah, it is.
And they just have like the
funniest little relationship.
They definitely are kind of like
us where they’re just talking
and like code and like no one
else would understand what the
hell they mean.
And I just totally relate.
I mean, I had that moment just a
second ago of us doing the
catfish and I was like, can they
even understand we’re saying the
catfish?
Like if we’re doing Drew’s like,
anyway, I’ll play this little
like bit of her kind of
describing the relationship and
just a little like perfectly
silly way.
Connected as two complete
weirdos.
We are twins.
We make these jokes where I
drive black Volvo, you drive
black Volvo.
We are like these funny little
like twins.
Healthy twins.
And we’ve said that for years
about us.
Oh, yeah, I know.
We got to bring that back.
We kind of forgot about that
one.
Yeah, they do just, like, say
the same things at the same
time.
It makes me a little sad that
they don’t seem to be friends
anymore.
Like I don’t really.
Know.
I guess we don’t know, but yeah.
Right.
She was a bridesmaid and Drew’s
wedding to Tom, like she’s
obviously very much part of her
life to be showing up in this
part of the episode, like to
even be featured, you know, No,
I just, I really she’s a good
dream guest on this podcast one
day.
One day that would be great.
That would be great.
While they’re at so they’re at
flower films and Jillian is
there working on her makeup line
Deluxe Beauty and they’re kind
of doing it together.
They’re collaborating and it’s
not really like stated really,
but Drew is more involved in the
with the company that like even
we really realized until we
looked at some like records and
in her divorce papers to Tom it
like it’s revealed that she did
have a financial stake in Deluxe
Beauty.
So it’s so cool like that.
This is sort of like a precursor
to a major thing in Drew’s life
later, which we’ll mention in a
second.
Yeah, no, it is so weird.
Like she was sort of testing the
waters of having a makeup line
as like a silent partner, I
guess.
Totally, absolutely.
I, we, I, I don’t know, I’ve
always loved this, so I’m
pulling the audio of it.
But they draw these little
eyebrows on Templeton and Drew
just like a voice, as if
Templeton is saying this.
I just think it’s so cute.
Like, I don’t know what you’re
doing.
Why do I love that so much?
Very.
I love it too.
It’s very Shay sardine.
Yes, totally, totally.
Oh.
Drew never change.
Yeah, totally.
So it was so cool to see her,
like playing with that stuff
with the makeup and like the
swatches on her arm totally made
me think about flower beauty.
I was like, Oh yeah, gosh.
Another RIP project.
Yeah.
OK, let’s move on to September
So Drew goes to her quote,
office at Duplex.
So that was the, I guess the
production offices for the movie
that was coming up that she was
doing with Ben Stiller where he
was also producing it with his
company.
And she shows that she has a
picture with Tom on her desk
here just like she does at her
flower Films office.
And I just think it’s so funny
because both of them are just
like Yeti images.
Pictures of them at the Show W
Awards in 2000.
Why is that the picture she has
on her desk?
Did she, like, ask an assistant
like to like, I feel like Chris
wouldn’t do.
I don’t know.
I guess maybe he was more of an
assistant at that point.
Yeah.
But where’s like her personal
photo, like he has the beautiful
wedding photo and she’s got this
one that like you could go
download.
She’s funny.
She also has framed pictures and
like a photo shoot picture of
her with the angels and then
some of her dogs.
I think she says.
Like you have to have pictures
of the things you love or
something like that, right?
Of course she does.
Yeah, and she heads over to the
casting department and there we
see Justine Baddeley.
We talk about Justine a lot on
this podcast.
She’s a long, long, long time
Drew friend.
Drew lived with her for a time
as a teenager, and she and Kim
Davis Wagner did the casting for
a ton of Flower Films
productions, so she’s working on
this one, too.
And Drew says she wants to call
in some of their old staple
favorites, who they worked with
on Never Been Kissed and
Charlie’s Angels.
But I didn’t see anybody in
Duplex who had been in those
movies, so I guess it didn’t
work out.
Right.
And I just always thought it was
like regarding like crew too.
But you’re right, they’re like
with the casting department.
So why would they be?
I think I just thought because I
don’t know why that’s where my
mind always went.
Interesting.
And maybe maybe because I’ve
thought about that, like, people
really like to do that, like use
the same crew ’cause they know
they’re a good team.
But yeah, I don’t know.
Who knows?
In the interview portion, Drew
talks about making films and
constantly going from putting on
her creative, hippie,
expressive, emotional hat to
putting on her rational,
meticulous, responsible problem
solving hat.
I love that little she.
Contains multitudes, yes.
Two dies and I also like we
we’ve talked about how like
we’ve kind of seen her switch,
you know, like at the show into
like this like professional mode
for a second and she’s back to
being 100% her herself with, you
know, true.
Great.
Yes, heard her.
Creative, hippie, expressive,
emotional hat.
Drew introduces the director of
Duplex, Greg Mottola.
And she like, hands over a plate
that’s in a little bag that I
guess is for a plant she gave
him, which I love too because it
just feels very like, oh, here’s
that thing for the thing I gave
you the other day.
Like I always love that too.
Why does it feel so sweet?
Because it’s just like, so Drew
being so giving, she’s like, I
gave you a plant and then I’m, I
must have realized later that it
needs a little plate under it.
So come bring that too.
You know, it’s like, of course
it’s really cute.
Yeah.
And then we switch over the
final day and this is, I’ve
always felt this is very like
abrupt.
We get 1 little segment from
this day.
So it’s September 28th, 2001.
So Drew is hanging out with
Molly Shannon.
They’re having a food at Ubon,
which was a Japanese noodle
restaurant in the Beverly
Center.
And we’re just in the restaurant
with them.
And I always like this always
seems so out of character to me.
Drew says that she’s on a raw
vegetable program, right diet
and how it sucks.
And I’m always like whoa, why
seems so not?
Yeah.
Why is she doing that?
Yeah.
Why?
Yeah, that’s all she says about
it.
And I bet she probably like,
regretted it because I feel like
she was very like she’s always
been so like body, body
positive, food positive.
So it’s it’s interesting, you
can get these little glimpses of
a different side of her
throughout this program.
True, Very true.
Molly Shannon says she’s kind of
pointing out that the first time
they met was at the Betsy
Johnson in the Beverly Center.
And she’s kind of like, pointing
because they’re, like, right by
there.
Yeah.
This is such a cute little
thing.
This is Drew’s response.
Looks like I was shopping for a
break.
So good.
It’s so cute.
And then Drew in the interview
and this is so her, she talks
about how important it is to
spend time with your
girlfriends.
I like how in the things she’s
talking about, like, oh, it’s so
hard to get together with
people.
Like everyone’s so busy and
Molly’s like, I’ll go to the spa
with you anytime.
But I feel like Drew has always
been this, like my friends or my
life.
I mean, I guess that’s all
because it’s her chosen family
also.
Yeah.
But yeah, the IT, it felt so
like, Yep, that’s her like that.
Is you know what else her just
occurred to me is because she’s
telling Molly like we don’t do
sleepovers anymore like I miss
that and it’s she we know that
like at least in recent years,
she’s done like sleepovers with
her friends for her birthday and
I’m like, oh, I love that she’s
again same old She’s.
Taking it back, yeah, the other
other thought I had about this
is like, how old is she in this?
OK, so she’s, you know, very
young and she’s saying like, you
know, we get older and we don’t
like do these things anymore.
And I’m like, you’re so young,
you’re so young.
But also like she feels like
such a pro.
She’s like got her company, but
she’s 26.
Like that’s so I don’t know.
She’s she’s so young.
I mean, I’m sure some of our,
maybe some of our listeners are
in that age range and they’re
like, is that young?
Yes, it is.
That’s.
True.
Gosh, there’s so much to come.
Yes, there is so.
For you too, Drew, Don’t you
worry.
Yes.
And then we’ve got this little
bit at the end to wrap it up.
It’s of course, it’s this like
little beautiful bow the way
that Drew does.
Beautiful and funny bow, right?
I think you have to find your
place in this world and actually
build yourself a foundation and
create a job and a life and a a
love and friends and know where
your priorities are and have a
great head on your shoulders.
That’s the wheels that’s been in
my head.
That’s the constant hamster on
the wheel.
Roundy, roundy, roundy, roundy.
I wish he’d get off sometimes.
It’s OK.
Roundy, roundy, Randy, Randy.
It’s like all so many of these
are just part of our vernacular.
I was just going to say that.
I was just going to say like, I
mean, I feel like almost all the
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were right out for yeah, the
roundy roundy.
I don’t feel like I’ve said it
in a while, but they’re still
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Shit it.
Was it was like, I mean not that
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it’s kind of wild like shipping
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Started.
Oh my God.
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Yeah, and it worked out.
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How Do You Drew Episode 131 – Years in Review: 1990-1991
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And I’m Ashley, and this week we
are discussing the years 1990
through 1991 in Drew’s
professional and personal life.
As we do.
And this is cool.
This is like, it’s almost like
we’re going a little bit
backwards because we did like a
re release of Poison Ivy.
Then we did Guncrazy.
Now we’re jumping back a little
like what led up to those.
Yeah, it’s kind of fun.
And we’re just, you know, guys,
if you don’t know our process,
it’s kind of like on the fly, we
decide this is what feels right
to come with now.
Yeah, we work on vibes.
Truly, like this is how it works
for us.
I can’t imagine doing it any
different way.
Like I, I mean, if you know,
there’s, there’s vibes and then
there’s like, oh, there’s an
anniversary that either happens
to fall or you know, anyways, so
by vibes, we decided on 1990 to
It felt right.
Vibes only man but.
Before we get into that, let’s
start with a couple things at
the top.
Yeah, we’ve got an oopsie Daisy,
and we want to thank our friend
at Drew Barrymore Rebel on
Instagram for pointing this out
to us.
This is mostly my fault, but
maybe both of us, because we
always forget the bit.
The movie Big Miracle exists.
I don’t know why.
Yeah, I, I can.
The only thing I can think about
with that movie is like behind
the scenes photos of her with a
beanie on.
Like, I’m not even kidding.
And I, I think I like liked the
movie, but I never watched it
again after seeing it in the
theater.
Maybe we’ll have to cover that
soon.
Maybe this is like, this is a
sign, this is maybe a vibe that
we’re getting a little bit that
like Big Miracle needs to be
covered just so we have a reason
to watch it.
I still have to say why so
Because we both forgot about Big
Miracle existing.
We forgot about the fact that
James Le Gro, Drew’s Co star
from Gun Crazy and Bad Girls and
Wishful Thinking is also in that
movie.
I don’t remember if they share
any scenes together though.
Do you?
No, I don’t remember because I
don’t remember the film.
I know it would have been good
to check, but guys, I only have
so much time, OK?
And like, we love Drew, but it
doesn’t mean we know her films
back to front.
Like we know her photo shoots
back to front.
We know like certain things, but
there’s certain films we do.
Yeah, sure.
And it’s just not one of them.
It just happens to not be one of
them.
So I’m sorry that we forgot
about that in our Gun Crazy
episode.
Sorry James, we love you man.
Yes, this we will not never
forget.
Now you.
Know.
Yeah, that’s true.
Thank you, Drew Barrymore Rebel
for bringing that up.
OK, this was cool when you sent
a question in to Ross Mathews
on Instagram.
So, yeah, Ross was doing like AQ
and A on his Instagram and I was
like, well, I got to ask about
drooping on Drag Race because
you guys, if you’ve been here
for a while, you know, I am like
constantly marching in the
parade of why has she not been
on as a guest judge?
So I that’s the question I sent.
And it was the first one he
answered, which is really cool.
And he said like, oh, yes, he
hopes and truly believes that
she’ll be a guest judge on Drag
Race someday.
And he said it’s really just
scheduling challenges because
they film it in LA, but she can
make it happen.
Come on.
So, you know, I don’t know if,
you know, the last winner of the
last season, which I still
haven’t been able to watch
because it’s still not out on
Paramount, was the one who did
the Drew impression and came on
the Drew Barrymore show.
Like, there’s so much
interconnection between her and
the show.
It’s just bananas.
She hasn’t been on it yet, so.
Fingers crossed, right, That.
I mean, that was cool to hear.
Like an insider be like, yeah,
it’s that has to happen.
It’s absolutely the right like
fit.
Right.
Absolutely.
On the Drew Barrymore Show, Drew
spoke with Charlize Theron.
That was cool also.
Because it’s a good.
Way because Charlize Theron now
has the assistant Tony Crago,
our dear friend Drews old
assistant.
Anyways, that’s I love that,
like I love to see it ’cause I
was like, oh this is cool to see
those worlds.
Colliding too.
Absolutely.
And you could see him in the
very beginning of the extended
interview off to the side.
I know I loved.
That anyway back to the show.
So Drew spoke to Charlize Theron
and it was about starring in
showgirls how they like showed
the Drew on the mirror in the
movie and Drew at that point was
saying like that she would have
gotten tattoos removed and
danced in AG string if she was
in it.
What?
Like do you think she literally
would get a tattoo removed?
I don’t think so.
I mean they would have put
makeup on it I guess.
Yeah.
But also, I don’t know, doesn’t
it work for the character?
Like if she had tattoos would
anyone even like think anything
of it?
I don’t know, maybe just so
people wouldn’t be like I don’t
know what I was going to say
like associating it with Drew,
but at that sure, it would have
been like pre us seeing a lot of
her tattoos, right.
Yeah.
I mean, she had everything up
through the butterfly, but
nothing on her arms yet.
Yeah.
That’s true.
That was all.
That was all later anyway.
That was just an interesting
like additional little fact that
got tossed in there as they do.
Yeah, cuz I feel like we’re kind
of the keeper of the information
about her almost doing show
girls.
Like I feel like we’ve sort of
reported on that more than
anyone else.
So now they’ll have her like
bring it up and talk about it
and so in depth.
I was like, that’s awesome.
So we’ll link to that extended
interview on the episode page.
Yeah.
And then finally, we mentioned
this super briefly at the end of
our last episode, but we got a
really nice shout out on Drew’s
Instagram.
Her social media girl had asked
us for photos of Drew when she
was younger, like pre 18.
Yeah, because she has none
apparently in this archive that
she occasionally pulls from.
Yeah.
So we sent over a slew of photos
and she used like 4 of them in a
really nice post.
And we got a little shout out.
It said, wow, Drewseum, thank
you for sharing so many photos,
photos of my life that I had
never seen.
I am so grateful.
So then of course, that day, our
follower count was just like
boom, boom, boom, boom.
Like every two seconds a new
follower was insane.
So if you’re one of those
people, somehow you found us,
You found the podcast because
you’re following us on Instagram
@drewseum
Thanks and hi.
Yes.
Hello and yes, thanks for coming
over here.
We also we love when that team
and Drew are able to like see
our value.
This is like, you know, it’s I
know it’s like kind of selfish
of us to like want that, but
also like that’s the purpose is
to be like, yeah, utilized by
that person.
Yeah, it’s like a full circle.
Nice moment.
Yes, Circle of life, all of it.
Yes.
So you’re welcome, Drew and
everyone welcome to the the
bright side.
I was going to say the dark
side.
Sunny side.
Yeah, exactly.
Let’s talk about what Drew has
proclaimed her love for
recently.
I love love all right.
True loves a giveaway.
Definitely.
She loves composting.
I love composting as well.
I grew up composting.
I knew it.
I was like, that feels like an
anthem.
She loves Hawaii last month.
She loves a couch friend.
Does she mean like a pet?
No, she means like a buddy that
you can just sit on the couch
and hang out with.
Same.
And then finally, Drew loves
Firestarter.
Oh yeah, Twisted Firestarter.
I am Firestarter.
OK, we don’t always get to visit
this corner, so let’s check out
our mailbag, our corner,
whatever it is.
You’ve got mail our corner with
the bag of mails.
OK, this comes from Shannon
under Score Barry under score
O’Grady on Instagram and Shannon
commented on our How do you drew
Instagram with a really nice
message.
And she said Drew’s openness and
honesty saved my life on
multiple occasions.
The parallels in our life are
crazy.
I really hope to meet her
someday so I can thank her every
time I’m going through a hard
time.
I would find a quote of hers and
put it on the wall for
inspiration.
She is a light, take a drink
bling.
I still feel like I need like a
sound effect.
I like that idea.
Because I mean, it’s so, so many
people refer to her that way and
for it to like, be directed at
us, almost like they knew.
Like we were going to be like,
hey, that was really cute.
Thank you, Shannon.
Yes, here’s another corner.
This is the corner I was
thinking of.
Let’s go into the kind Commons
corner.
So sweet.
OK, I pulled this and I love
this.
So Speaking of Drag Race season
the feeling Scene podcast and
she was there to discuss never
MC Kissed, which is really cool.
But the way that she described
Drew and I kind of talked about
this in our last episode really
briefly.
I just thought it was so cool.
I was like, Adore, you are one
of us and let’s take a listen.
What is the?
Enduring connection there of
Drew and what was the beginning
of the connection with Drew?
I mean, ever since I can
remember, I would say probably
scream when I was six years old,
like I just had this weird.
Or I can even go earlier to
Poison Ivy.
Like this is like, hell yeah.
She was my style icon.
She’s she was the embodiment of
just rebellious, almost like
sweet rebellious female rage to
me that I always wanted to
embody like specifically like.
God, she was even.
Firestarter, if you’re gonna say
it like that, exactly, you know
what?
ET phone home, motherfucker.
But it’s like, no, she always
was this kind of like beacon of
beauty and rebellion and kind of
like style to me that I always
identified with or always
gravitated towards.
I think she was like even in
Charlie’s Angels.
Yeah, man, she is.
Dylan is the is the like angry
bitch of the.
Yes, she’s just always super
punk, but with the flower little
edge, like flower films.
Love, love that about her.
I don’t know what it is.
There’s something very soft yet
thorny about her that I always
just was drawn to.
Isn’t that cool?
I love that so much.
And I love that they like
mentioned Firestarter.
We were just.
Talking.
I know.
I totally forgot about that.
Yeah.
Later on she even said the like
flower and thorn thing again
and.
And I was like, oh, that’s so
perfect.
Like we talk about that kind of
dichotomy of Drew.
‘S yeah, so yeah, like her
darkness, like.
That it exists.
Yeah.
OK, so let’s get into before we
go into the past again, let’s
get into what’s new with Drew.
Here we go with the news,
everybody.
OK, just a quick little catch up
on Hollywood Squares.
So episodes 2021 and 22, which
was the season finale, aired.
I was a little like surprised by
the season finale.
Did you watch it?
I have not watched it yet.
OK, it was a little like anti
climatic, like it didn’t have
necessarily like my favorite
group of people.
And then like the person in the
end didn’t win.
I was like, this is the season
finale.
Not sure why they chose to do it
that way.
I wonder if they just play them
in the order they recorded them,
but I have to like I don’t.
Know seem like it actually I was
talking some of that along the
way.
So I don’t know.
Who knows?
TV.
Production and.
Maybe maybe it’s also because it
feels like we like didn’t know
when the season was going to end
and like, if they’ve had this, I
wonder if they’re like, let’s
just put this one out.
Yeah, maybe that kind of thing.
Because, you know, stuff gets
cut all the time in TV and.
We know that.
Anyway, she looked beautiful as
always.
Is Deborah doing all her makeup
still?
And all that, of course.
Yeah, so great.
So great.
OK, so let’s go through the
bonus round questions.
You ready?
Let’s.
OK.
Drew once lived in a yurt for 18
months.
False.
It’s a good one, though.
Yeah, Drew’s babysitter was
Pauly Shore.
True.
I mean, I think it’s a little
bit of a stretch.
I think it was more.
Like it was more like.
At the Comedy Store, maybe Polly
would be in charge of watching
her for a little bit, but still,
it’s true.
OK, now I’m going to get a
little upset about this one.
OK, so this one was Drew hates
an open faced sandwich.
OK so I haven’t seen this one
but I’m guessing you’re mad
because she said true.
Yeah, OK.
And I was like, BS Drew, you
have a freaking open face
sandwich in your cookbook, Rebel
Homemaker, and there’s a picture
of you eating it with a huge
smile on your face.
But like, the reason I was extra
mad is because she had the
winning card for that one.
And so if I was the contestant,
I would have said that’s false
because I know her cookbook, and
then I would have lost $25,000.
Well, then you would have been
like Drew.
Yeah, I would have been like,
excuse me?
Yeah, because you would have at
the beginning when like I run
the Druseum and.
You can’t stop me on anything
drill related, so I don’t know,
maybe her mind has changed.
So the person said false the.
Person agreed and they got it.
They got the money.
Oh, OK.
So they were wrong, but they
were right on the show.
Interesting.
I wonder.
I wonder.
I mean, some of these obviously
feel like they’ve done research
and like choose it this one.
I mean, who knows why they would
select something like that?
I mean, maybe Drew had a bad
experience with one since
writing Rebel Homemaker and now
she hates them.
I could see it.
Maybe.
Maybe she was eating one and
something stained her clothes
and she couldn’t get the stain
out and then she would have been
really.
Mad.
I mean, you probably know better
than her what happened to that
decision.
Like, she’s probably like, yeah,
that’s a fuzzy sandwich.
Exactly.
But just to wrap up Hollywood
Squares talk, we don’t know if
there’s a Season 3 happening.
Season 2 was announced in May
last year, so we’re right around
that time still.
Maybe, but I’m a little
concerned we haven’t heard yet.
I really hope they bring it
back.
I hope so too because even if
there are dud episodes, like
they’re mostly really fun and
they have such fun people on the
show.
I know such great comedians.
I mean, it’s it’s always great.
It’s so fun and seeing Drew on
there and having in the center
square, like I feel like she’s
like like the perfect center
square, like the way that the
way that like so many people who
like I mean, she’s in the
middle.
So obviously a lot of people
choose her first, even
strategically.
But people will say like, like,
you know, the enchanting Drew
Barrymore, like my favorite
Angel, yes, like or like someone
I’ve always loved Drew
Barrymore, you know, like it’s
very much like enhancing her
sweetheart or like putting her
on that sweetheart pillar in
like a really fun way while she
gets to be her like dirty fun
self.
I know.
All right.
Fingers crossed.
We’ll, we’ll report.
I’m hoping that the people who
are the producers of the show
are like, although they’re like
Drew and her people are.
Some of them.
Right.
Anyways, we’re hoping it comes
back.
We’ve got another new thing.
I actually didn’t even know
about South.
Drew attended the finale after
party for Late Show for Stephen
Colbert.
Not surprised.
I mean, I know, Yeah, they like
she loves him.
It is kind of interesting, like
I wonder how she feels
ethically.
I don’t know because she works
for CBS.
Who are the ones?
Right.
I cancelled the show.
I wonder if that feels weird to
her, but I’m glad she showed up
as a, you know, showing her
support.
Me too.
Totally.
You do?
Yeah, it.
Looks like there’s a lot of
other cool people there.
Speaking of Poland squares, I
see Tom Lennon.
I see.
I see.
Like, David Byrne.
Yeah.
And Weird Al.
Come on.
That’s really cool.
And then Speaking of CBS, they
posted a video yesterday, today
showing seat placements for the
upcoming Tony Awards that are
happening as of this recording
Sunday.
It’ll already have happened when
you guys hear this.
So anyway, it showed Drew how to
seat as a guest.
But I feel like anytime she’s
like a guest, she never shows
up.
Really think it would say like
presenter, there’s definitely
been events that she’s supposed
to have gone to and then nothing
comes of it.
So.
I mean the Tonys.
Does it happen in New York I
assume?
Yeah, so.
That feels like easier.
I mean, you know, for her to
just like pop into something
like that, that’d be fun.
I mean, I was just gonna say
actually about her attending
this after party, Like it’s not
a like super public event, but
like I love seeing her go out
because we, you know, we love to
see what she’s like gonna wear
or like she’s herself like on
the show she’s styled and this
is like, but like, I don’t know,
seeing her own styles.
Yeah, I agree.
And hopefully, I mean, we’ll see
if she does go to the Tonys,
she’ll probably wear a suit, but
maybe it’ll be something
different and she’ll surprise
us.
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OK.
So are we ready to go back in
time to talk about 1990 to 1991?
I mean, you know, I always want
to talk about the 90s.
That’s true.
Yeah.
So we are, this is our segment
is the entire show this week in
Drew history?
No this year in Drew.
History, I know pretty much
these two years in Drew history.
We don’t always combine years,
but from a like historian
standpoint, I still have a hard
time telling apart 90 and 91 a
lot.
And they just kind of go
together because everything she
was doing just feels.
It just feels like a complete
set.
So that’s why.
Like it overflowed a lot into
one ear and the other.
Like even going through this and
like seeing the pictures, I’m
like even visually, it’s so hard
to tell the years apart.
And like, we’re pretty good at
this for like a lot of her life.
It’s harder at a certain point,
like now, but anyway, so it felt
right.
Like as soon as you proposed it,
it was like, yeah, that I think
that really.
Works.
The vibes were right.
Yeah.
And it’s one of the gaps in our,
you know, that we haven’t done
yet.
Yeah, there’s a lot of like,
Speaking of, there are lots of
episodes that you could go and
like catch up on to, like kind
of bookend this.
So for the scoop on her life,
like right before this time
period, you should listen to our
little Girl Lost wrap up
episode, which is number 113.
There’s a lot of stuff there for
her life after this when all of
her hard work starts paying off.
Listen to our 1992 episode,
which is number 32.
Wow, that’s so early.
I know I was surprised by that
too, but it is like but.
It’s a big year.
Oh, it’s a huge year.
And it really is like this is
like her laying the groundwork.
Everything we’re going to talk
about right now.
And then the Renaissance happens
when everything starts coming
out in 92.
So it’s pretty cool.
Yeah, it’s huge.
All right, so let’s kind of set
the scene.
So at this point, if we’re
starting, you know, we’re in
Drew had not filmed anything at
all since 15 and Getting
Straight, which was done back in
January of 89.
So a little bit of a lull just
based on how prolific she’d been
acting before.
She had just left the ASAP
treatment program for the final
time in October 1989 after she
had had a few relapses and a
quote UN quote suicide attempt,
she said in 1990.
I just wanted what would get me
the most attention and at that
point in sympathy, I didn’t want
to die.
So that’s why we’re putting
quotes around the word suicide.
But still self harm.
Yes.
And after her release, she lived
with David Crosby and his wife
Jan Dance, who was her a a
sponsor for three months in
order to be with people who were
committed to sobriety and also
to give her time in a more
conventional house with limits
and rules, something she had
never experienced.
Before yes, also like to like
that.
That is more conventional to
like be with like.
To be with David Crosby, that’s.
So awesome.
I love this connection so much.
Yeah, yes, in January of 1990.
So we’re kind of jumping into
like this year that we’re
talking about finally.
She temporarily moved back in
with her mom, but was on her own
again very soon after.
So it’s just like kind of moving
around a little bit.
And that was.
It for the two of them.
Really.
Yeah, basically.
And this is really likely the
apartment that Drew talks about
in the Wildflower chapter, My
Beautiful Launderette, which we
covered over on our Patreon.
And it’s a really fun one for a
couple of reasons.
And Ashley found some locations
that are like pretty definitive,
like it’s a fun one anyway.
Yeah.
So she was in with her mom and
then out basically on her own
for the first time.
Yeah.
Drew at this time was still
frequenting a, a meetings and
therapy sessions.
So she was still basically in
treatment or, you know, adjacent
to treatment.
And we have a clip of her
talking about her sobriety a
little bit.
You can’t really like wake up in
the morning and, or like go
through a day and just like sit
there.
Oh, don’t get loaded, don’t get
loaded.
You know, you just, you’ve got
to be really positive, you know,
and you’ve got to make sure that
you are going to be with people
or be at places you know that
you know, you just don’t put
yourself in slippery situations.
You go to meetings, you know you
do things that makes you happy.
You know, just hearing that
audio, I’m like we probably
should have pointed out at the
beginning, we’re starting where
she just turned 15 years old in
So she’s very young, as you can
hear there.
Oh, it is really important to
say the age.
Because it’ll never make sense.
Even if you do the math, you’re
I, I feel like I would still be
like, she’s like 17, right?
Like just just like the
information we just talked
about, you know, like I even
though I know she’s so young.
So much packed in.
Yeah, she’s she’s just still so
young.
She’s younger than your your
daughter.
I know.
I mean, Speaking of how young,
so she was still attending high
school, we believe this was at a
school called Stoneridge
Preparatory at this time, and
she’s there for a little while.
But she was emancipated legally
by the courts of California from
her parents by February 1991.
So she always said she was 14.
She has a little wrong.
She used to know what it was,
but it was actually right before
she turned 16.
And she has said several times
that she dropped out of high
school after this, Like as soon
as she was no longer legally
required to go, she was like,
see ya, I’m out of here.
I’ve never liked school and I’m
done.
She’s like, no thanks.
Yeah, we’ve talked about this
kind of a bit recently.
So Drew at the time supported
herself working odd jobs.
Guys, if you don’t know, she
like didn’t just have a ton of
money from her earlier work like
things were spent or in like a
whatever.
Trust buying a house for her and
her mom that got sold when she
was in rehab anyway.
She also like, I think she just
was like craving work.
Like she realized because when
we talked about my beautiful
launderette that chapter, it was
like, that’s what I need.
A job like this is what makes me
a, like, an adult.
Yeah.
So a couple of things are.
She worked the door at
nightclubs run by her sober
friend Brent Bolthouse.
Is that crazy?
Can I just say when we saw him
as a DJ opening at the Roxy, 30
Seconds To Mars at the Roxy,
Yeah.
I don’t think we knew all of
this, how much of A close friend
he was to drew in.
The early 90s, no.
And also like, it’s funny
because it’s like we probably
were nearby nightclubs that they
were working at even then.
Totally.
Day or so, right?
Anyway, yes, I don’t think we
knew.
No, I don’t think we knew at
all.
I love this little thing you
pulled.
Is this just like a video of him
where he says she was my cashier
like.
Yeah, yeah.
He says like when they were both
like doing the program they met
through like, you know, maybe a
a meetings.
I’m not really sure.
But he says like, yeah, she
worked for him as his cashier.
And I have these weird, this
weird photo from like a foreign
magazine of her clearly doing
that job.
I’m like almost certain she has
like a sharpie in her hand in
cash and she’s looking probably.
For exes on the hands for young
people.
Exactly whatever.
Or just like you know, you paid
or whatever it is totally.
Why else would she be holding
money like in that way?
Pretty cool.
Yeah, I love it.
Like, anyway, it’ll be in the
episode page, I’m sure.
So if you want to see that.
She also worked at a coffee
shop, the Living Room on La Brea
this week.
She talked about a little bit in
that chapter that we were
talking about.
But deep down, she wanted to get
back to acting, even though she
was kind of being laughed out of
casting rooms at this point.
Like, she was kind of
blacklisted, which is so, like,
sad to think about.
You know, people love her, loved
her before, loved her after.
It was just like within the
world of Hollywood.
It was like really messed up.
And she’s so young.
Yes, we’re just thinking like,
she’s 15.
But she persevered and didn’t
give up, she said.
I just want to keep working and
acting.
That’s like my natural drug.
I love that, too.
It’s like she just needs to be
stimulated by.
Something absolutely she needs
to be an employee.
One other thing that was going
on at this time, she did get her
driver’s license at age 16, but
she said, quote, I’ve been
driving for years, of course,
but it’s a hell of a lot more
convenient to be legal.
Which I.
Remember when we were reading
Little Girl Lost?
She’s like 13, driving right?
And it was just like what?
They like, went out somewhere,
like went to the mall or
something.
Yep.
She has said before that she
temporarily lost her license
like soon after getting it
thanks to maybe like an accident
and or tickets unclear and she
had a Jeep that she hated at 1st
and she later replaced that with
the BMW so so.
A couple little like, yeah, what
giving you a vision of what it’s
like for Drew at this age?
It’s fun.
Drew on the road.
Right.
And also more about her look.
So let’s like get the visual
long blonde hair for like all of
frequently like with a kind of
like side flip that was pretty
far over like kind of classic.
Great timeline, yeah.
Short lived Perm in the early
like mid 1991 for Poison Ivy and
then she did cut her hair spur
the moment for Guncrazy between
September to October of 1991.
And then she was even shorter by
December.
And in the Gun Crazy episode
that we just did, we talked
about this, that it was like
scary for the studio, I think.
And then Tamra Davis loved the
like haircut, but it was like
sudden and that it looked like a
little choppy and
unprofessional.
And also, Tamra had to refilm,
like, or do some pickup shots.
And Drew’s hair had already been
changed.
So once you know, and you watch
the movie, you can see it’s
gotten even a little bit shorter
and a little bit, like, brassy
or blonde.
Yeah, totally.
So Drew was wearing a lot of
thrifted clothes at this time.
She was frequently seen in
ripped jeans, plain white
T-shirts, black leather jackets,
Jean jackets, chokers, cross
necklaces, boots and menswear.
So very on trend for the time.
Yeah, and like, very similar to
like Poison Ivy, just a little
more toned down, you know?
Not quite as like skangy.
Exactly, and not like short
short skirts, it was way more
like pants, you know?
But like, the leather jacket is
so badass, Yeah.
And then with her tattoos, so
she already had her little
flower bouquet on her left hip
prior to this, but sometime in
this timeline.
So the 90 through 1991, she
definitely got her cross between
mid 1990 and mid 91.
And then we know she had her
moon tattoo on her toe by the
time she filmed Guncrazy in
November 91 because it is
visible in the movie.
Yeah.
Tamra Davis, the director of Guncrazy.
She recalls that Drew got her
jade tattoo around the time
filming Guncrazy.
So she was on the little
tattoos, you know, boom boom,
boom at this time.
And again, she’s not even
legally allowed to at 18.
But maybe like the emancipation,
who knows how that?
Works.
Yeah.
I don’t know, I guess.
Yeah.
Does your ID say I’m emancipated
like?
Yeah, how does that work?
Anyway, at that time also she
was pictured with a cigarette in
her hand like basically every
time she was photographed like.
Every red carpet like it’s
crazy.
I mean, a lot of people were
smoking more, but also Drew was
like constantly and then her
beauty routine.
I love that you were able to
like find this because it’s it’s
like nice to like think about
like her as a person in the
simplicity, right.
So beauty routine was shampooing
her hair with Evita and washing
her face with Clinique.
And she said, I always have
lipstick on.
I feel naked without it, but I
never wear makeup except maybe
mascara.
And it really does track in all
the photos.
She’s always like very beautiful
face with some dark lipstick.
Yeah, it’s really fun.
All right, so we’re just going
to briefly go through the
relationships that she had at
this time.
We have a whole episode on her
romantic relationships.
It’s episode 118.
So if you want details on any of
these, go listen to that.
We’ve already done it.
So during this time she was
confirmed to be attached to
Balthazar Getty for, I don’t
know, maybe half a year.
It’s kind of weird.
He does seem to overlap with the
other guy, Leland Hayward, and
she was seen with him August 90
through mid 91.
There was like engagement rumors
at that time.
Again, she’s 15.
And Jerry said no, I’m not
getting married, don’t
congratulate me, please.
I was in a relationship with a
person for about a year and he
bought me a diamond ring.
I joked about it a couple of
times and boom, I was engaged to
be married without my even
knowing about it.
So like, who knows?
She’s 15.
He’s like 24.
At least we think so, right?
Probably for the best.
Yeah, I think probably for the
best.
I also am glad that it was based
on a joke.
But like, I it’s funny how I was
just thinking about like the
overlap.
Like, you know, I think Drew
some of these like she almost
thinks of them as like maybe a
friendship like at this point,
like right.
Like when she’s recollecting or
she like says that like I wonder
if like she doesn’t realize how
much she was like a being
photographed with these people,
right?
Like that, Like, you know, she’s
maybe at the time it was just a
friend.
And then like they actually
started dating and it was like,
wait a minute.
Yeah, it could be.
Right.
I mean, maybe similarly she
wouldn’t realize like when we
think of the overlap with like
Luke and Eric, right, We know,
unfortunately, I don’t know,
Drew.
No shame, honestly.
Like no, no.
No too many boyfriends, but we
love it.
And then the last person she was
attached to, which we’ve talked
about quite a few times because
he is much older than her.
I don’t know how to say his name
correctly.
He’s Greek.
It’s Phedon Papamichael
Papa Michelle.
Yeah.
And he is the cinematographer of
Poison Ivy and the director of
Sketch Artist.
And it was definitely a
relationship.
And I am so curious when he does
this.
Yeah.
Screening with Katt Shea of
Poison Ivy at the Academy Museum
next month.
I’m sure no one’s going to bring
up the fact he was dating 16
year old Drew, I hope.
Someone does.
I hope so.
You know, we have a couple
friends going and I’m like,
dude, raise your hand.
Yes.
Please awkward.
I want to know if he says
anything.
I mean, anyway, that will
probably be a cool event and I
hope they like record the Q&A or
whatever.
Well, we might have to have.
So Brian, our friend Brian is
going and then also Pete and
Scott for movies that made us
gay are going.
So we might have to have one of
them on to report back to us.
Yes, yes.
OK, so now let’s get into Drew’s
career because this is like what
she was working towards.
There was a lot of like work
behind the scenes happening and
the book.
So writing was one of the big
things.
So the autobiography Little Girl
Lost Co written by Todd Gold was
released on February 1st of
We’ve talked about this a lot
guys, over on Patreon.
I’m sure you’ve been inundated
with us mentioning that.
Anyways, she said.
People have said and printed
things I had no control over.
And it’s not like I have a lot
of secrets anymore.
I have experience and I want to
share that.
And that was like her kind of
like reason for doing this book.
Like I I want to say it.
Yeah, my own version, not
National Enquirer’s version.
Yes.
So you can’t if you if you’re
interested in this, go to
Patreon, listen to our deep dive
of every chapter.
Check out our interview with
Todd Gold on YouTube, which
we’re so like proud that we were
able to make that happen.
Like goodness gracious.
Speaking of like laying the
groundwork, we like that was
like a long time coming.
Definitely.
Drew said that she’ll at that
time she said she’ll probably
write another book, maybe
fiction this time, as she said
she was working on a screenplay
and that she’s written a fair
amount of poetry, which she also
had been known to read at LA’s
Cafe Largo, and there’s a really
cool video of that available.
That one’s more like a stand up
routine.
Right.
But it’s kind of like it’s
something she wrote, right?
That was, yeah.
It’s amazing and like, wow, a
book, a fiction book and a
screenplay.
We’re still waiting on those
ones.
Yes, we are exactly.
Everything’s kind of been a
little more personal all.
Right, so let’s talk about now
the our girls getting to work.
She wants to act again and she
is hitting the pavement.
Is that what you say?
Yeah.
OK, so May to July 1990, she
films No Place to Hide, which at
the time was known as Tipperary.
That movie didn’t come out for
three years, so that’s crazy.
Then somewhere between December
small cameo in the movie
Motorama.
We have a whole episode about
her cameos if you want to know
more about that.
Yes.
Then the biggie, the big break,
the like big role, May to July
As you guys know, we just
released our episode on that.
And then this is really
interesting.
So there are these like unmade
movies of Drew’s, right?
Where it was like reported,
she’s doing it, she’s doing it,
and then it just disappears.
So three weeks after Poison Ivy
wraps, she was supposed to start
on a movie called Ecotopia,
which was a futuristic drama
that was going to be directed by
Rene Daalder.
And Balthazar Getty was actually
going to be in the movie too.
And it’s reported on many times.
Like I found 3 examples, just
boom, boom, boom in our
magazines.
And she said, quote, it’s
totally a transition from this
film Poison Ivy because I play
the head cheerleader.
She’s very sweet and innocent,
Miss Popular.
So no idea what happened to
that.
Would have been really neat to
see but fell through.
Sounds interesting for sure.
Do we know how she knows
Balthazar Getty?
Like is it possible?
Like they met because of this?
No, I think he was just part of
the crew that she would hang out
with, like David Arquette and
Rodney Harvey and.
All those guys.
OK, got it.
So some more movies that she was
filming cuz she was just kept
working right around June of
cameo in wax work too.
Although yeah, it’s it is, I
guess, cameo.
It’s really short.
Yeah, it’s probably, I think it
was 1 evening after midnight.
Right.
And then right around October of
artist.
We have like a couple little
like, pieces of evidence that
make that lead us that way.
And then in November of 1981,
she started gun crazy.
So like, this is like, really
pretty back-to-back, so good for
her.
She was also like, Speaking of
things that like, didn’t happen.
She was heavily campaigning for
the role of Lolita in Adrian
Lynn’s remake.
And she mentioned it in a few
interviews.
She said, I want it so badly.
I can taste it.
I’ll do anything to get his
attention.
I’ve got to do it.
It’s mine.
And yeah, that didn’t end up
like being made until 1997, and
it was with Dominique Swain in
that role.
I’ve never seen that that
version of Lolita.
I’ve seen it.
I don’t really remember it.
It is like, and I know we’ve
discussed this and we probably
even talked about in our Poison
Ivy episode because that was
like, this is my chance to be
like a Lolita.
I always like feel very
conflicted when I go back and
see her like, obsession with
this role because I don’t think
she like understood it properly
and it is like supposed to be
disturbing and I don’t think she
viewed it that way at all at
this time.
Yeah, I think that that was
like, for some reason a lot of
people like, really romanticized
Lolita as like a figure.
Which is crazy, right?
But yes, so she she films, she
films, she films, she films, but
nothing was released at all
between the years 1990 and 1991,
which is pretty unusual for her
filmography because all those
things were later released in 92
and 93.
So like we said, laying the
groundwork, doing all the work,
setting up the foundation and
then 92, boom.
Like her career basically
explodes.
I’m going to say something
that’s like so like it’s obvious
to us now, but wasn’t at the
time.
I’m like thinking about how like
films are made a while ago and
then they’re released.
Like thinking of a film as like
like anything.
Like if I if I’m thinking about
Mad love, I’m thinking 1995, but
like it is drew, you know, in
the previous year anyway.
So like that’s just like it’s,
it’s obvious to us now, but
like.
You know, as as insiders, it’s
like I maybe people realize
things don’t like just get
filmed and then come out, right.
Away no people definitely always
like get it wrong because like
it drives me crazy because I’m
like she wasn’t 7 when she
filmed ET like she was 6 because
I’m that annoying person.
But you’re like, wait, yeah,
because we are so thinking about
Drew’s actual timeline anyway.
Timeline, yeah, yes.
Should we talk a bit about like
the TV appearances because there
were a bunch around this time?
Yeah, but they’re all like kind
of clustered.
Yeah.
So in February 1990, she was
promoting the release of Little
Girl Last, of course.
So she went on some shows we’ve
never seen, which includes
Sally, Jesse Raphael, and Good
Morning America.
I bet there’s more we don’t even
know about.
Totally.
There have to be.
Yeah, she went on the Arsenio
Hall Show for the first of quite
a few appearances and that one
is on YouTube kind of recently
and it’s very cool.
We’ll link to that.
You guys have to watch that.
And then she was doing press
junkets too.
Like we have footage of her that
was done for E, for Little Girl
Lost promotion.
And I actually have the uncut
footage, which is crazy.
And she’s very, very somber and
down in that.
And then this next one even more
so.
So I think this was filmed at
the same time as all this other
stuff, but it didn’t air until
June 1990.
And that was an Oprah prime time
special that was called In the
Name of Self Esteem.
So it wasn’t Oprah’s like
Regular Show, but it was like a
special version of it, I guess.
Interesting.
Yeah, and Drew does this
interview alongside her mom,
Jade, and Oprah definitely comes
up them very, I want to say kind
of aggressively about everything
that happened to Drew, but.
Like Barbara Walters style.
Yeah, maybe even worse.
And Drew’s demeanor.
Did you rewatch it?
I haven’t watched it recently
but I kind of remember her being
like very like quiet and sort of
like dry.
Yeah, one of the comments on
YouTube is like the Jaggers that
come out of her eyes when her
mom is talking.
Like she just looks.
She’s just like when her mom’s
talking.
So it’s an interesting one.
Very like, not like herself.
No, not at all.
And you can kind of see like
their relationship was toxic,
you know, like they’d they’d
done therapy or whatever.
But like it still wasn’t
obviously we as we know she only
was able to go back and live
with her mom for like maybe a
month before I was like, this is
not going to work.
Yeah.
Totally, Yeah.
And then the final TV appearance
she made during this time was in
December 1990.
And this was on auk talk show
called The Wogan Show.
And we had seen clips of this
for years because it was an Mt
VS biorhythm without knowing
like what it was like.
Finally, we have the source and
this is also on YouTube.
And she’s beautiful and
wonderful in this one and and
has come a long way.
You can tell like she’s much
more mature even though it’s
only been like 10 months.
Right, I need to rewatch both of
these because it’s such an
interesting timeline for her.
Like her, she seems so mature.
Also right 15.
Still.
Right.
Yeah.
Like I know in the one with her
mom, I think that’s just like
being around her mom probably
brought something really weird
out in her.
I think so.
So we’ve got some event
appearances, like a bunch like
Drew like was out and about.
She went to so many.
Yeah.
And we’ve.
Kind of like hypothesized, she
was trying to be on everyone’s
radar.
Like she needs to go be seen,
she needs to network.
She’s trying to get her career
back on.
Track This is something I never
would have thought about before
we started doing like these kind
of like internal thinking about
Drew as like a eventually going
to be a producer.
Like yeah, I think that there
was something yeah about like
going into a premiere and like
either supporting someone you
want to work with, you know, or
any of those things.
So we’re just going to list some
highlights because there’s so
many.
The premieres we know of include
Longtime Companion Without You
I’m Nothing, The Freshman, Young
Guns, Too.
Flatliners pump up the volume.
Pacific Heights.
Kosher.
So many.
Welcome Home.
Roxy Carmichael, Marked for
Death.
Jacob’s Ladder, Sleeping With
the Enemy, Guilty By Suspicion,
Toy Soldiers, Stone Cold, The
Indian Runner, My Own Private
Idaho and Bugsy.
But so many.
Do you have any specific things
that come out of in your mind as
like, oh that makes sense why
she would go to that?
Not really.
I really think it was like
anything she was invited to.
Yeah.
I mean, I think the most
interesting one on the list is
Welcome Home Roxy Carmichael,
because that’s a Winona Ryder
film and we know she was feeling
a lot of competitive.
Spirit.
With Winona at this time, so I
kind of like that.
She’s like, I’m going to go
check this out.
And I see this in person, listen
with her in the room.
Yeah, right.
And then there are a bunch of
other events.
So in March of 1990, she went to
a Crosby Stills, Nash and Young
benefit concert.
Is this around the time that she
was living with Crosby?
Right after.
OK, right after.
So like, it makes it makes sense
total.
But also that’s great.
Who doesn’t love Crosby, Stills,
Nash and yeah, come on.
And then there’s not another
event until February of 1991.
It’s not like one of those
premieres that was Drew’s 16th
birthday, which was at the
Roxburgh.
She looks so cute at her 16th
birthday.
Beautiful.
Like the little curls coming
down her hair in the front.
Like it’s just a sweet.
And then in June of 1991, we
have the opening of the ET ride
at Universal Studios.
This was also like one of those
like seeing like I mean, are
Steven and Drew, Steven
Spielberg and Drew photographed
together at this?
They are right.
A little bit, yeah.
Right.
And I feel like it’s one of
those like there’s a big gap of
like not seeing them together
and then like that, right, as
far as publicly.
Totally.
And I kind of love her look at
this too.
I feel like she looks like she’s
like blazer and sunglasses, but
really cute.
And she’s got her perm from
Poison Ivy in it.
And then we have an exhibit.
So in October of 1991, the
photographer Matthew Rolston has
has an exhibit.
They were like friends and had
worked together and.
Yeah, we’ll talk about that more
in a second, actually.
But yeah, there were.
So.
I mean, there’s so many more
than that.
Like I picked the ones that were
the most like memorable to me.
There’s so many times she’s like
photographed outside of this
place called Bar 1.
She’d go to all the time, other
clubs and parties.
Like, it’s kind of wild because
when you look at 9394, she’s
photographed like, a handful of
times throughout the entire
year, but these two years, it’s
just like, boom, boom, boom,
boom, boom.
Like she was just out and about
all the time in LA.
Yeah.
And I feel like one point we
were talking recently about like
a point when she got like
surprisingly private was that
was it like the 9394 era?
I’m trying to remember.
Yeah, it was after 93 when she
went to the Billboard Music
Awards.
And then a bunch of rumors came
out and she’s like, that’s it,
I’m not going out anymore.
And that’s right, doesn’t go to
any events.
So interesting, but yeah,
they’re like she’s definitely
like she wants to be out in this
world I.
Also, I wonder, like, she’s
still adjusting to a different
lifestyle where she was going
out to party all the time at
Claude’s.
That was like her favorite thing
to do.
And like, it’s almost like she’s
trying to replace it with this
other version of that.
And then it was like, maybe it
wasn’t even a great idea for her
to be doing that.
And you know, who knows?
It’s just interesting to think
about.
Yeah, it really is.
Totally.
All right, so let’s talk about
the photo shoots that were
released in 1990 and 1991.
We know that there’s some more
that she did in 91, but they
didn’t come out until 92 and we
already covered those again in
our 1992 episodes.
So yeah, there were a lot of
like these small little one offs
that we’re not going to get
into.
So like it was one page in a
random magazine or we don’t even
know what it was taken for.
There’s quite a few of those.
This is before her being cover
star on magazines so much, but
we do have a few so People
magazines January 29th, 1990
issue and the photographs were
done by Mark Senate.
That is the one with the
headline no happy ending.
And it’s about, you know, her
relapse.
This photo shoot was also used
for the little girl lost
paperback that was released in
So those photos are very
similar.
And then the inside of that
issue of people had different
photos by Mark Sennett that were
kind of of Drew just like living
a normal life.
So at her house and with her
horse at the time, hanging out
with her mom for that very brief
period that she lived back with
her.
They’re they’re really cool.
Of course, we love the ones of
her on her bed with a white cord
phone, Marilyn Monroe photos on
the wall behind her.
She’s in tie dye.
Like it’s so good.
It’s like her bedroom, her
element, yeah.
Totally.
And then there was also a
feature in Ladies Home Journal.
It’s so funny.
Like that was her first magazine
cover and then she has this
weird little thing and then.
That’s probably yeah.
Ever.
Ladies Home Journal.
Yeah, I know.
So it was a March 1990 issue and
the photos were done by Steve
Shapiro.
And he had worked with her
several times in her childhood,
like some of her more like
recognizable photo shoots he
did.
So I kind of love that they,
like, brought him in to do that
for her.
Me too, that’s really fun.
We always like to think of like
her having like a continuous
relationship even if it’s years
apart.
This is a really cool 2 page
thing.
It’s an interview of July of
would have just gone to that
exhibit we mentioned.
These are so cool.
Like one of them is very
androgynous and then the other
one is like Drew, like licking a
lollipop.
And it’s just, they’re both
amazing, stunning, like
beautifully photographed.
I mean, Interview Magazine was
the best, right?
I don’t have to go on.
Yeah, and this is the first time
she worked with Matthew.
And then they would go on to do.
I don’t have the spreadsheet
open but I think like 7 more
photo shoots together it was.
Maybe we need to do a relation.
I mean, yeah, he would be the
next.
One to cover for sure.
These are really cool and we’ve
never seen a single.
Out I take.
That’s killer.
Oh my God.
Especially like the androgynous,
like you in that little face.
Oh my God, I would die.
We need we need to talk to
Matthew Rolston.
Yeah.
The September 1991 issue of Elle
magazine had a feature by Blake
Little.
These are also like, I think one
of them used to really confuse
me in this.
I think I used to think the one
with the baseball cap was her
from Bad Girls with like a
cowboy hat.
Oh, interesting.
I think the close up now I see
that we have we have like a an
outtake that I don’t even
remember seeing before of her in
that same cap.
But anyway, she also has like in
one of those has like a almost
looks like a quilted like
colorful jacket.
It’s.
Very 19, early 90s.
Actually, all of those pictures
look like they’re from like
different times in her life.
That’s really weird.
Yeah, they do a lot of different
hairstyles.
Oh, I just had a funny memory.
I know for this photo shoot, the
makeup artist, she did this one
and the next one we’re talking
about, her name is Gina Hole.
And she connected with us on
Instagram forever.
And she told us that Drew still
has the thick roots from Poison
Ivy and they covered her roots
for this photo shoot with
Foundation.
Oh my gosh.
I can’t believe I just
remembered that.
I love that so much.
I love that you pulled that out
of your little, like, brain box.
Brain Box Your brain, Let’s be.
Opening the brain box.
One more that’s worth mentioning
for sure is in fashion magazine
from fall of 1991 and it was
photographed by Barry Hollywood.
What a name.
Who is on the cover with her is
Alec Baldwin?
It’s Stephen Baldwin.
Stephen Baldwin.
Sorry, I knew it wasn’t Alec.
I don’t know why I said that.
Baldwin brother.
It’s very memorable.
The cover specifically is like
bright pink.
Drew’s wearing bright pink.
Body suits, yeah, and like,
Western pants.
Yeah, it’s, it’s very odd and
it’s also like very memorable
for that reason.
And then the photos inside or
black and white, or at least
printed in black and white.
And they’re also beautiful too.
I don’t know if I can say
anything describe them that
would like give them any justice
because they actually are really
cool.
Yeah, and they’re quite
different from the cover with
Baldwin.
And this was her only other
cover besides the People
magazine one, like a brand new
shoe.
So for two years, that’s it.
That’s where she’s at in her
career.
She is not like magazine queen
like she would come to be.
Right.
Not just yet.
Yeah, totally.
So let’s kind of wrap up with
some final words from Drew on
where she felt she was at this
time.
And by the time we get to 1991
as it’s wrapping up, she said,
Quote, I just hope that I make
the right choices and get to be
an actress for the rest of my
life, which is pretty cool
because, man, it’s like she
would have.
She couldn’t even have imagined
what was to come in.
I don’t think so.
No way.
She doesn’t have the ego to let
her go there anyway.
No.
She also said when it was like
pointed out to her that in
little girl law she seems like
she’s in a rush to be an adult.
She said, quote, now I’m in a
big rush to be a kid.
I guess I’m just myself.
I can be 24 or 88 or two.
I wake up in the morning and
whatever age just seems to be
fit, so be it.
And then the writer had asked
her, what age did you decide on
today?
And she smiled and said 16.
I love that.
I love that we keep coming back
to like her age is just her
doesn’t make any sense.
Yes, the different ways she even
describes it herself are like,
yes, like that’s how we feel too
true.
I know, but I love that.
Like even though she’s gone
through so much, she’s living by
herself, she’s trying to get her
career back.
Like she felt 16 at this, at
least on this one day.
Like, I’m glad she had that.
Me too.
Exactly.
For her to actually like, I
don’t know, feel like present
enough to feel her own age,
Yeah.
It’s pretty cool.
Yeah, so that was fun.
I know it really is like I’m
maybe you could listen to these
in a different order and hear it
differently, but it’s really
neat to see like, you know, we
talked about Gun Crazy being
such an awesome accomplishment
and such a moment for her
career.
And it’s really neat to see
everything that led up to that,
like her working so hard to get
back to being recognized as an
actress and not being a joke,
right?
And then letting people do like
really good work and not just
like whatever, like a weird
cameo here and there, you know?
Like she had to do whatever she
had to do, right?
Totally, but you know, it worked
because she had one of for
Renaissance is like right around
this time guys.
Pretty cool.
It’s really neat to talk about.
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Oh my gosh, I’m going to just
interrupt you because I already
put the gallery together at
least like the first draft of
it.
So cool.
And there’s like literally 65
photos.
Fun though, that there’s just so
many things she went to.
I mean, it’s almost like if if
you’re a visual person, which I
am, and I sometimes like, don’t
even think to go look at the
episode page was just
ridiculous.
How dare you?
Obviously a lot of these things
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And while you’re there, I feel
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Peruse thedrewseum.com, which
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Yeah, we just added, Speaking of
the the interview 91, we just
added a really cool piece that I
obtained.
It is the page of her licking
the lollipop straight out of the
magazine.
And she had signed it to the
makeup artist on Poison Ivy.
So it came from that woman’s,
like, estate or her belongings.
Who even knows how it got to the
cellar?
But I had to ask some questions
and I figured out who it was.
And I was so jazzed.
And it’s, it’s a really neat
thing to see Drew’s actual
writing to someone when she was
Yeah, check that out.
Yeah, you have like such a cool
collection of like writing
throughout her early life which.
Is so I really love that.
Yeah, and we’ve also mentioned
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I’m Anne.
And I’m Ashley, and this week,
as promised, we are discussing
the 1992 film Guncrazy.
Yes.
Yes, this.
I’m just going to say already I
like forgot how great this
movie.
Is yes, I feel like, I mean,
I’ve literally been prepping
this episode for a month, I
think.
So I’ve been like in the movie,
surrounded by it for a while and
I’m like, I have this whole new
appreciation for it.
This is a good movie, and this
is a really cool movie in Drew’s
filmography.
Totally, I mean, we’ve wanted to
cover this for a while.
So like, and we always say this,
but like to have the excuse
reason to like dive into
something like this was very
worthwhile.
And I’m I know it was weird to
release Poison Ivy again, but
like, I’m really glad to have
that leading up to this.
Like if you guys are watching
like Poison Ivy and then
watching Guncrazy, like, yeah,
the trajectory, the like
similarities of the characters,
the differences of the
characters, like how different
she seems.
All of it.
It’s so fascinating.
And to think they were done just
like boom boom back-to-back in
her so weird acting career.
I just love it.
We have so much to get into.
My notes are copious for this.
One, there are many notes, as
there are with a lot of our
movie episodes, so I guess we
should dive in.
So here we are going to get into
Guncrazy.
The movie was directed by Tamra
Davis.
I know we say this a little bit
later, but it was her
directorial debut and it was
written by Matthew Bright, who
later wrote and directed the
movie Free with Reese
Witherspoon.
I’ve never seen that but I
remember thinking it looked
cool.
Yeah, I saw it once.
I barely remember it, but it’s
very kind of edgy like this.
So I’m when I found that out, I
was like, oh, that’s kind of a
neat thing to learn.
Cool.
OK, so you don’t have the IMDb
summary.
We’ve got the prime summary this
time.
The better of the two.
Yes, so this one is a wild teen
helps her convict pen pal get
out and find a job, but they
wind up as lovers on the run.
Sure.
Yeah, that works.
So kind of has you were teasing
at the beginning.
This is right in the middle of
Drews not only her comeback, but
her bad girl era.
This is how she made her
comeback happen.
Was like, let me be this, I hate
to use the word sexy.
Yeah, she’s a teenager, but let
me be the sexy bad girl.
So you can see our episodes.
We’ve already covered Poison
Ivy, of course, we re released
that last time.
And then Doppelganger, which is
like definitely the outlier as
far as like quality level.
And then we also covered the Amy
Fisher story with our friends at
movies that made us gay.
So those are like the big, I
mean, I’ve obviously Bad Girls
is a bad girl role, but I feel
like it’s a little separate from
these.
It’s not as much of the lethal
Lolita thing that we’re going
for in all these other movies.
Right.
Yeah.
Drews just 16 years old at this
time.
Like you know, I have a 16 year
old.
It’s absolutely insanity to me
to imagine her doing these
things.
Yes.
But she did film this just a few
months after Poison Ivy and a
few months before Doppelganger.
And just a quick little aside,
it’s really interesting to me
that she went from like this,
which I feel like it’s just,
it’s like a film.
It’s like a very good movie to
like Doppelganger.
I’m like, oh man, what a
misstep, you know?
I also feel like she was
probably just like taking so
much nook anything she could
get, but sort of like, OK,
regardless of the quality, if
I’m interested in like the
character, I guess, but like, I
just imagine like she booked
Doppelganger and then she was
like, OK, I’m adding like higher
quality stuff around it.
I don’t know.
I’m just like making up some
narrative in my head.
But like, not surprising that
there are like different
qualities of things that she was
like, OK, I just need to fit my
fill my schedule.
Yeah, I don’t know.
And also like how different she
looks in each of these
character.
I mean, literally all four of
those, if we’re kind of like Amy
Fisher’s story.
Yeah, I mean, that was a
priority to her back in the day,
to look different for every
single character, and she really
did it.
That’s true by 1983, Drew had
said.
I’m moving away from playing
nymphettes and for now I don’t
want to do anything sexual on
screen.
I’m grateful to have the
opportunity to be selective and
I’m going to choose wisely.
And then she also said later, I
think after Poison Ivy and Gun
Crazy and playing Amy Fisher, I
did get all these bad girl
scripts and I was like, well,
that’s nice.
You think I do that well as a
compliment in itself.
But it’s not the only thing I
can do, and it’s not the only
thing I want to do.
Yeah, I felt, I really liked
like just thinking like, this is
how she’s going to get back in
the public eye.
This is how she’s going to shed
the child star image.
But then, you know, after doing
a few of them, she’s like, OK,
that’s enough.
No more type casting.
Yeah, time to shift.
Yeah, yeah.
Like I don’t have only this one
lane.
Yeah, OK.
But now we’re back into the time
where she really was in that
lane.
So Tamra Davis had first read
the script for this movie in
She was friends with Matthew, I
think from film school, and she
presented it in a meeting with
who executives, I don’t know who
as part of a package.
And she was, like, laughed out
of the meeting for being, you
know, trying to be a woman
director, which just disgusting.
But then the men in the room
later went back to the writer
and optioned the script like
they were going to make it.
Like, they like the script.
They just kicked Tamra out of
it.
Luckily, it never got made with
those jerks.
And six years later, producer
Diane Firestone connected with
Tamra, and she got her Guncrazy
to make.
So I love that it came back to
her like she was the one that
was meant to make this film.
Yeah.
That’s so cool.
Those stories don’t happen
always when people are like,
they get attached to stuff and
then they just go away.
Yeah, this is an important thing
to point out because this has
come up a couple times when I’ve
been talking to other people
about this.
So this film Guncrazy is not a
remake of the 1950 film Gun
Crazy, which is 2 words instead
of 1.
Gun space crazy.
Yeah, though it’s often
mistakenly reported as a remake.
The screenwriter, Matthew right,
was somewhat influenced by it,
so I’m wondering if that’s why
they use that name.
I don’t know.
I think he just liked the sound
of it and he was just fascinated
with the American public, like
how some people really had like
a gun fetish, but he thought gun
fetish sounded stupid because.
It does.
So Tamra herself was influenced
by Terrence Malick’s film
Badlands.
And then the inspiration for
that movie was the true Crime
Story of Caril Ann Fugate and
Charles Starkweather.
And interestingly, I was like
listening to old My Favorite
Murder episodes and he covered
that case.
And I, when listening to it was
like, wow, this is giving me gun
Crazy vibes because it’s about a
young teenage girl who hooks up
with this older guy that goes on
this crime spree.
It’s much more complicated than
that.
Much more complicated than gun
Crazy, actually by coincidence.
Maybe not.
It’s just in my mind watching a
documentary about her right now
called The 12th Victim.
It’s really fascinating.
Definitely recommend.
But yeah, so I just think it’s
kind of notable in this
documentary, they kind of talk
about all the 90s movies that
used the same sort of storyline
where this couples on the run
committing crimes and they show
like True Romance in California
and Natural Born Killers.
But all those came out a couple
years after Guncrazy.
They didn’t they didn’t show Gun
Crazy.
You know, it’s a little lesser
known.
So that totally makes sense.
But I just thought that was kind
of interesting, that Guncrazy
at this time in the 90s, was
sort of on the forefront of
like, let’s explore the same
sort of story over and over
again.
Interesting.
Super interesting.
And I didn’t think I didn’t know
about like connections to these,
like other true Crime Story or
another connection that you
mentioned like later that was
also like what?
And we had no idea.
So an attorney who had remake
rights to the original Gun Crazy
from 1950 threatened Guncrazy
this movie.
But they said, like, fuck it,
we’re not changing the title.
And I guess that ended up fine.
Drew said that that she watched
the original Gun Crazy with
Tamra before the production
started.
So they clearly probably wanted
to at least like be aware,
right?
Of like what that was.
And I want to see it.
I do too, and the storyline does
sound like close enough that I
understand why I like.
Some journalists would say it’s
a remake, but it’s.
It’s it’s also like a woman,
like I think it’s like woman
centric.
But anyway, yeah.
So Drew said about the story.
She said this story is very
powerful because it’s about two
people no one’s ever cared about
who meet and fall in love and
will do anything to stay
together.
The whole thing is like, no
one’s ever cared about.
When I read this, reading your
notes, I was like oh but like.
Yeah.
They, you know, they found
somebody.
They have no one else,
basically.
Yeah, she also said of the
characters.
They’re both very similar in the
fact that they’ve both been hurt
and they’re both very strong,
and it’s a very passionate love
that they have for each other,
which is incredibly
unconditional.
In a nutshell, it’s basically
about two people who are willing
to go to any lengths to be
together.
I think she has a very
romanticized vision of this
movie because.
Definitely.
Me, I don’t see it as like this
unbelievable love story, like
they barely know each other, you
know, and she’s so much younger
than him.
Like, there’s we’ll get into all
that.
But yeah, I it’s funny to know
that 16 year old Drew was like,
that’s how she perceived the
story.
Right, and that’s how she, like,
continuously describes it
throughout things.
James LeGros.
He said the characters are both
somewhat childlike due to the
trauma they’ve endured and can
only process so much.
Which like his character seems
even more immature than her.
I mean in other ways but like
childlike for sure.
Yeah, I love that quote.
Yeah.
And then the final thing that we
have, as Drew said in 1992, I
did this film called Guncrazy,
which I’m Gung.
How about it’s been described as
kind of a Bonnie and Clyde meets
Badlands and it is accurate.
Cool.
I like it.
All right, let’s jump into the
cast and crew a bit.
So you’ve heard us mention a few
Drew James LeGros, but let’s
jump in a little bit more.
So we had mentioned Tamra Davis
as the director.
As we said it earlier, it’s the
feature film debut as director,
other first time directors that
Drew’s worked with.
I love this little tidbit.
Side note McGee, Richard Kelly
and George Clooney Do we need to
say what movies?
Probably not.
And I couldn’t think if there
were any others, but those are
like on the top of my head.
And I was like, wow, that’s
really neat that she’s done
that.
And she’s raved about all of
them, too.
Right, right, I’m sure had like
a big influence on them getting
the work, maybe less so gun
crazy.
She had less influence at that
time, but also like really cool.
Right, she would Drew would work
again with Tamra Davis on a
shelved version of Bad Girls as
it was like started and then
scrapped then Best Men and
skipped parts.
This meant I I know I kind of
enjoyed skipped parts.
I don’t remember at all.
Yeah, we skipped that part.
Yes, we skipped skipped parts
and a season one episode of
Santa Clarita Diet which I also
forgot about and love to think
about that.
I know.
Which Speaking of Santa Clarita
diet, we’re going to get into
that some more this summer,
guys, so keep your eyes out.
It’ll be so fun to watch the
Tamra’s episode and see if
there’s anything that like comes
up for us.
Yeah, I totally.
Tamra had a different vision
from the original production
designers ideas.
So she ended up kind of doing
the production design herself,
which is also like, what?
It’s so cool.
That’s really cool.
It’s I love it.
OK, so Drew’s character, she’s
the lead and her name is Anita
Minteer.
And this is wild.
Like, I was like, texting you.
Like, what the hell?
So the character of Anita was
inspired by a girl that the
screenwriter Matthew went to
school with.
And once, when they were in 4th
grade, he saw this girl trying
to kick a teacher in the face.
My God.
So her name was Nancy Pittman.
She later went on to join the
Manson Family, where she was
renamed as Brenda.
OK.
She’s like, like, you can Google
her.
There’s A and I was like, she
doesn’t seem anything like Anita
to me, but maybe it was just
this, like he said it, he was
inspired by her fearlessness,
which is wild.
So strange, so strange.
Actress Gabrielle Anwar was in
the running for the part of
Anita, but producers got really
freaked out because she did a
tape of herself doing the part
with her boyfriend in the part
of Howard.
And for some reason that, like,
really turned them off that she
was like, trying to cast their
movie.
And so they just like said, no,
she’s not doing it.
Interesting, I wondered when I
read that note, like what about
it like?
I know like.
There’s no like explanation,
they just did not like it.
Interesting.
The producer Zane W Levitt said
that he was watching Firestarter
and had the idea for them to
reach out to Drew for the part.
So I love that like a movie with
young Drew, but a very powerful
one.
Like, she does show a lot of
like rage in that movie.
Hey, that’s a good point, yeah.
Tamra recalls getting to Drew
through Justine, her friend, her
good friend Justine, but Tamra
wasn’t interested in at first
due to Drew’s reputation, which
I also find.
I know.
Very interesting to think about,
but think about the time right?
Like I’m not super surprised
Drew got the script and then
called Tamra saying I want this
part stop looking I’m her.
That’s true.
And then we just have a nice
little collection of quotes from
Tamra about Drew.
This one comes from our favorite
celebrity profile.
What was so amazing was Drew
called me personally.
She called me on the phone while
I was casting and, you know, I
answered and she said, this is
Drew Barrymore.
I read the script and you have
to see me.
I love this character more than
anything.
I have to play this character.
I just like met with her and I
just like completely couldn’t
get her out of my mind.
I drove home from the interview
like totally in love with her,
just madly in love with her.
She completely bewitched me.
We get it, Tamra.
Same Tamra.
Yep, Tamra said.
I saw her and knew she was
perfect.
You could see she’s been through
a lot and the world has not been
easy to her, and yet she has
this incredible vulnerability.
She’s so determined to prove
that she’s worthy of the
Barrymore name.
Oh, love.
And then just a couple years
ago, she said Drew did not have
a good reputation, but she came
in and said, nobody takes me
seriously.
I want to prove that I can come
back.
And I just melted.
I immediately was like, oh, my
God, I love you.
I will do anything I can to help
you out.
I also kind of love it.
It’s like these young women in
Hollywood feeling like
underdogs.
And they’re like, yeah, let’s do
this together.
Lift each other up.
Yeah, like, so cool.
There’s something really cool
about that.
So we have a few quotes from
Drew herself about the character
of Anita and this one we have
audio for.
Anita, she’s incredible.
I mean, when I read the script,
I just fell so in love with her.
She is so like me emotionally,
you know, she’s extremely
vulnerable and she’s been
through so much in her life.
That one looks like it’s on the
set.
Is it?
Yeah, I think so.
Drew also said about the
character.
Anita was very close to home for
me.
Not that I was so much like her,
I’m not, but I had the best
understanding of her than any
character I’ve ever played in my
life.
Makes sense?
Yeah.
Like who else would she relate
to more?
Right before, like before she’s
an adult or something, I don’t
know.
She also said Anita is a very
vulnerable person who’s been
hurt very much in her life and
has an incredible capacity to
love, but it’s sort of been
pushed into the back of her
because she’s been hurt so much.
Do you think?
Like, that does sort of sound
like Drew, doesn’t it?
Yeah.
I mean, she definitely has
pushed back trauma.
Yeah, yeah, definitely has.
She also described Anita as
having a natural tendency to
want to accept love from others
to validate her feelings.
That makes a lot of sense, too,
right?
Tamra said that Anita and Drew
have connections and that they
both made poor choices because
of their circumstances.
Also, that, like, framing is
interesting.
It’s not like Gary, I mean,
Drew’s always trying to take
like so much ownership for every
choice she’s made, but like, you
were placed in a position for
those things to happen to you.
Yeah, so just just like all
knowing all those things and
then you watch the movie, it
just gives her performance a
whole other layer.
It’s really great.
OK, so James LeGros plays her
opposite her as the male lead as
Howard Hickok.
That last name is so weird.
So he signed on after Drew did
and he thought that her
involvement was very appealing.
But he also said that their age
difference seemed enormous.
And I looked it up and it was
cuz she was 16 and he was 29.
Don’t love that.
I mean, I guess it’s an
improvement from Tom Skerritt in
the last movie, but.
Good point.
That’s a big age difference.
He even remembers her like
learning how to drive during
filming.
It’s funny how like at this time
I feel like so many people
described her as like an old
soul when she was like a kid.
I know some people did at this
point too, but she’s like both
really young and not really
young.
Yeah, what is that thing?
She just told Lena Dunham.
I felt like I was old, young.
I was born old, young.
That’s pretty much.
What she is, yes, totally.
So James had described that
there was some tension between
he and Drew for reasons that he
didn’t really recall, but like,
peace was ultimately made.
Tamra said James always felt in
character.
Whereas Drew, when Drew was
done, she’d be like, let’s go
play cards in the dressing room
and she’d be Drew as if nothing
happened.
Drew would think that like James
didn’t like her, but Tamra’s
vision was that he was like just
in character the whole time.
It’s so interesting.
But I bet it was just like
awkwardness.
Like he didn’t probably want to
engage with her in that way
being 13 years.
Older, Tamra said.
Like she could very much see
that he was like this criminal.
Like that’s what he felt like he
and he was like, I was probably
way too serious and method actor
at that.
She said that Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But she’s.
But Drew did say they got along
very well.
That’s how she received it.
And that he’s an incredible
actor and I’ve seen him in a few
things.
I mean, I think we’re going to
talk about it in a second, I
guess.
Yeah, put in some things.
Together.
Yeah.
So this is the first of three
movies they’ve done together.
It’s so funny how she has so
many people she’s done like 3
movies with and the other two
are bad girls, which was just a
few years later.
And I wonder, I’ve never thought
about this.
I wonder if Tamra got him
involved.
I didn’t even think about that
till this moment.
That’s a great question to maybe
ask her one day.
And then also Wishful Thinking,
which was just like the
following year after that.
So really kind.
And they play, you know, like
Will.
Well, she has a crush on him in
that movie.
I guess they’re not a couple,
but she wants them to be.
It is sort of like a will they
won’t they sort of, though.
That’s how they’re framing it.
Yeah, a wishful thinking.
I can’t wait to talk about that.
One Yeah, we I really love it.
It’s the weirdest movie.
And then James said about Drew
in the year 2000.
She’s very instinctive as an
actor.
Drew comes with a full
complement of options, and she’s
always very comfortable to work
with.
I love that had a happy ending.
Even if they he’s almost 30 and
she’s 16.
Like yeah, I can’t.
Of course they can’t relate.
This is.
Going to be a little weird.
A little bit totally.
OK, so let’s talk about another
person that she’s been in a
couple movies with.
Weirdly, Ione Skye, who plays a
character, Joy Anita’s only
friend.
It’s really the only person that
we see her talk to really, other
than like crappy people or
totally character.
What is his name?
Howard Ione Skye knew Drew from
hanging out at the Zappas’ in the
There’s a little part in her
book Say Everything where it
talks about it.
Oh, she describes the 12 year
old Drew as always telling tall,
provocative tales that she made
sound really sweet, like a
swearing toddler.
I love that, like envisioning
that so much.
But then she says we’re all
protective of her, which I like
that, that theme, like of Tamra.
I know that I only was talking
about years before, but that’s a
thing in Drew’s life.
Her character in this movie is
protective of Drew’s good point.
Yeah, that’s a cool through
line, like a real life to
character.
Totally.
I only got involved through her
shared Beastie Boys connection
as she was.
Was she married at the time too?
I think she was right before she
got married.
OK, I don’t know if either of
them was married to their
respective Beastie Boys at the
time they were dating for.
Yeah, yes.
With them and Tamra of course.
Long time marriage to one of the
Beastie Boys.
Yeah, Mike.
Dean and she really admired
Tamra, so that connection was
made.
Drew said that she loved Ione’s
ecstatic energy and was so sad
when Ione rapped.
Of course, we both.
I think you showed me this
because you had read Say
Everything before me.
Ione like expressing how she
really like wanted them to
become besties.
I know.
Yeah, I love this.
But I mean, I like how she
phrased it.
It’s like it didn’t really
happen.
But she said like, Drew was in a
great phase of her life.
She wasn’t this little girl lost
anymore.
She’d risen from her traumatic
childhood like a phoenix.
Hell yeah.
So, she said on set, Drew
quietly compelled everyone
around her to rise up to.
But Drew and I never became
close friends, sadly.
Sometimes I wonder if I remind
her too much of her chaotic
younger days and she’d rather
look forward.
It’s very introspective.
Yeah, it is really cool.
But they did get to play friends
again 13 years later in the
movie Fever Pitch, so love that.
Fun little yeah, fun little
return.
Michael Ironside plays Mr.
Kincaid, he’s Joy’s dad and
Howard’s parole officer.
And for whatever reason, I think
she said it was in like overseas
in Asia somewhere, his
involvement allowed them to
double their budget because he
was just that well liked over
there, I guess.
Wow.
But he did teach Tamra like some
cool money saving shot ideas,
which I really love because this
is like a low budget.
We’ll get into the details of
that in a little bit.
But like there’s a certain shot
where he like looks over his
shoulder and he like for the
idea to do that because then
they wouldn’t have to move the
camera.
Something like that is really.
Oh, that’s cool.
I like that.
Like that’s like him being in
their corner.
And he was like the professional
on set, Like everybody was like,
oh, he’s like a real actor.
He was like the one who’s like,
experienced he’s doing.
We’ve talked about both of these
guys in different and various
ways.
Rodney Harvey and Jeremy Davies
play these shithead schoolmates
of of Anita’s character named
Tom and Bill.
It’s Jeremy Davies first movie,
which that’s also like
interesting.
I didn’t even remember that he
was in it.
So the movie starts and I like
sent you a text like is Jeremy
Davies in this movie like?
Yeah, he’s so horrible and he
probably blocked it out.
Yeah, Drew had been rumored to
be romantically involved with
both of these guys at different
times, but maintains that they
were just friends.
But yeah, there’s two of her
life.
Maybe, possibly boyfriends,
whatever.
Yeah, that play total jerks.
Like the worst.
Like so unlikable.
Yeah, we’ll talk about them.
Another.
Surprise, Yeah.
So Drew’s mom, Jaid Barrymore,
plays woman with dog, and this
is the first time that she and
Drew ever appeared on screen
together.
And it only happened one more
time the following year in
Doppelganger.
And it was Tamra’s idea to have
her in the movie, so that’s kind
of fun.
I wonder how that like proposal
came about.
Yeah, she doesn’t really get too
much into it, but it sounds like
Drew sort of felt like she was
having sort of a reconnection
with her mom at this time.
OK, so it was just Tamra’s idea
to throw her in here.
So funny.
I mean, I know we’ll mention it
briefly later, but I love when
they have like the camping
pictures that they show.
I can’t wait.
Back to some of the crew.
So Lisa Rin was the
cinematographer?
Love that got a female director,
female cinematographer.
Drew’s the start.
Like yes, really cool.
A lot of credit is given to
Lisa’s beautiful lighting,
colors and angles in the film.
I do think it’s really
wonderfully shot.
It’s.
Gorgeous.
I don’t think I would have
appreciated that the last time I
watched it.
So like watching it again?
Same, Yeah.
And then one more thing about
the crew that we got to mention.
So Tamra’s sister, Kim Davis
Wagner did casting on this film.
She would work with Justine, who
was mentioned quite a bit in the
years following this, and she
would do go on to do casting for
many flower Films projects.
So if you haven’t heard us talk
about Flower Films projects
before, we’ve got some episodes.
Where have you been?
Yeah, that’s so neat.
Like they must have met on this
because Drew didn’t know Tamra
before this, and unless she
already knew her through
Justine, like, the timeline’s a
little interesting to me.
All right, let’s talk a little
bit about Anita’s look in the
movie.
So prior to filming, she had
been inspired by Patsy Kensit in
the movie 21 and decided to chop
her long hair off because she
thought like this long Poison
Ivy hair was making her look too
sexy and she needed to look
uncool.
Tamra said.
The producers freaked out, but I
thought it was great, a stroke
of genius.
It was so messed up looking,
this dorky looking haircut.
It was perfect for the
character.
And yeah, Can you imagine her
with the long hair?
No, that would not have worked.
It it wouldn’t seem right.
Also, I kind of love the hair.
It is cute, but it is dorky at
the.
Same.
It is kind of chopped, like
there’s some points when I’m
like, oh, it’s giving like
adjacent to mad love, like as
far as the length.
And stuff I know.
What you’re but I can’t, I mean,
obviously just like anything
that like we’ve lived with it
the way it is, but it would be
weird for her to be more poison
Ivyish than she is like.
She needs to be a little goofy.
A little.
Awkward.
Yeah, a little bit at least.
This is so weird.
The key hair and makeup artist
was Lori Jean Swanson, who did
the makeup for Doppelganger.
Interesting.
I know like Drew must have
enjoyed her and brought her
along but like those looks are
so different like.
This journal is crazy.
That’s true.
I guess maybe just like the
basic, like, non.
I don’t know.
I guess when I think of
Topplinger, I’m thinking of,
like, stuff with, like, the
actual horror of the film,
something like special effects.
But that is.
That’s cool, though.
And also like that they were
back-to-back.
Yeah.
I love that.
The costume designer for the
film was Mary Lawson, and she
did her research by studying
girls at the Eagle Rock Plaza
shopping mall in Pasadena.
I left that tidbit in for you.
I love.
That I was just an Eagle Rock
today.
Oh cool, Mary Lawson said.
We were looking for a real life
gutter image.
We didn’t want it to look like
Hollywood.
We wanted a little girl living
without a mother who only can
buy clothes every few years.
I got everything from the
Salvation Army, Saint Vincent’s
de Paul’s and Goodwill shops.
That’s kind of a cool thing too.
I would thought about like Mona
Mae talking about going to like
thrift stores and stuff for
never been kissed.
It’s like not the same, but I
was like, Oh, it’s neat that
way.
Also like her outfits were Oh,
you, you wrote a note later too.
But like, they’re fun.
They’re so cute.
Like in a first green sweater at
the beginning of the movie, I
was like, I’d wear that.
I actually really enjoy all of
her outfits.
There’s like a really cute dress
when she goes to pick up Howard
for the first time.
And Mary Lawson, the costume
designer, said that she
specifically chose dresses that
were a little small for Drew, as
if they were years old.
And all of a sudden, she, like,
grew a bust and she tea dyed
everything down to the socks to
give the image of someone who
doesn’t do laundry very often
and does it all together.
So those details, like, I just
love them.
They really come through I feel
like.
Yeah, it’s not something you
think about, like it’s done
subtly enough that you don’t
think about it.
But I think it’s really
believable that the character of
Anita is in the state that she’s
in.
Like she doesn’t look like
overly primed or like anything
in any way.
This is a cool detail.
So the necklace that Anita wears
in the film, Drew’s character is
it belongs to Tamra.
It’s that like, long, like
silver chain.
And it’s got Saints, like little
charms of Saints on it, which I
thought that’s what it was.
And I saw that.
I was like those little St.
Charms that you always see, and
it’s very similar to the
necklace that Drew wore with
crosses all the time in 1992,
which I was like, yeah, I love
that.
Comparison I will like, first of
all, when I found out about it
being Tamra’s necklace, I was
like, whoa, like that’s the kind
of tidbit that I get really
excited about for some reason.
But I do wonder, like I haven’t
looked closely enough, but I’m
like the little charm that she
wore with the crosses in 92,
like.
Right.
Is that the?
Same, one of them the same.
Like I would like to look at it
a little more closely because I
definitely, you know, I have a
theory that the crosses came
from Jamie Walters cuz she only
wore them constantly when they
were together and then they
disappeared.
But yeah, I’ll dig into it a
little more.
Yeah, one other fun tidbit about
Drew’s look.
So Tamra and the producer Zane
had commented on how Drew looks
like an old movie star or Betty
Davis in the film, which I love
that too.
She’s beautiful in this.
And then like as we said, it’s
understated.
She’s not being a Poison Ivy
glamour vixen, but there are so
many beautiful close-ups of her
face, so many profile shots.
I took screen caps like I’ve
never taken them before.
You even told me like, don’t
don’t worry about taking any.
I took a lot.
I meant to look.
I meant to look because there
were so many times, like,
towards the beginning of the
film, I almost wrote like, cool
profile shot.
And then like the next line was
like you saying profile.
I was like, yeah.
OK so the movie was filmed in
November 1991 in just 23 days
for $800,000.
Wow.
Like we said before, the
original budget was 400,000, but
Michael Ironside got that
doubled for them.
But Tamra, you know, that’s
still really low budget.
So Tamra had to get creative
with all these ways to save
money.
So she mentions like, oh, we use
a forklift here instead of a
camera crane because it was
cheaper to rent.
And she says how she would just
do as few camera setups as
possible and have the actors
moving instead of moving the
camera so much.
So it’s like if you watch with
the commentary which I’m going
to talk about.
Later on.
Yeah, and you really do see,
like the shots are very long and
it’s kind of cool, but it’s not,
it’s never like tedious, you
know?
Yeah, so cleverly it worked very
well I guess.
Yeah, so the opening credits,
all the shots from that and then
various location shots shown
later on in the movie, they were
filmed in Ely, NV and that is
where my boss is from.
Yeah, I’ve never been.
It’s not.
I think it’s like 3 hours from
Vegas but I actually might go
this summer for like an event.
So the main reason I want to go
is to go see these locations
because they haven’t changed
much this.
Is like a small town.
I assume it’s.
A very small town, Very.
And I put like some screenshots
in our notes, which I will also
share.
But the buildings all look the
same.
It’s very kind of historic
looking.
So it’s really neat, but not
much has changed.
But basically when they filmed
just a small crew, they flew all
to Vegas and then they drove to
Ely, and they only had one day
to shoot everything before it
snowed.
Because it does.
Wow.
Yeah, so really fun to see.
Wow, I love these comparison
shots.
I love.
I know that like in one of the
shots from the film like this,
like part of the building is
being built and then and then in
the new shot, like it’s there
and it’s completely built and
like.
I know it’s really fun.
That’s cool, really neat.
I, I keep meaning to ask him if
he remembers anything about
filming because he lived there
at the time.
You would think he would, but
he’s like.
Oh yeah, I have this picture
with Drew Barrymore I never told
you about.
I’d kill him.
The rest of the movie was filmed
around LA County.
They had to stay within that 30
mile radius.
A lot of it was near Magic
Mountain, according to Tamra.
And it was a fairly easy
production.
And they just had a lot of
friends on the crew helping out.
And it was just like a small
little, let’s get this done in
I love it so.
Cool to think about, like the
little production.
The producers wanted to give
Drew a driver and she refused.
Instead, she said that she would
drive herself.
Tamra said that Drew viewed the
car and driver perk as a sign
that the producers were worried
about her past.
Oh, that’s kind of like
interesting that that she’s
like, they think I need to be
watched.
Yeah.
Tamra said that Drew said no,
you’re not going to treat me
like a baby, I can get to work
on my own.
She also said the producer said
OK, we have to have blood tests
and give her rides to set.
And Drew was like, no, you have
to trust me.
She took a stand and they let
her do it.
I love that.
So cool.
That she was like, no, I’m
legally an adult.
Yeah, the blood testing too.
That’s like, just so insulting.
That’s a lot.
I’m glad that dude didn’t make
her do that.
Me too you.
Probably would have still stuck
with it even if they made her,
but like, yeah, yeah, I’m really
glad that she was able to be
like, no, like, that’s bullshit.
She wasn’t being treated nicely
and either is Anita, so maybe
they she pulled from that a
little bit.
So during and somewhat after
filming, Drew temporary lived
with Tamra and her husband Mike
D of the Beastie Boys at their
house in Silver Lake after a
breakup.
And I have to think, timing
wise, this must be that
cinematographer Phedon.
Who
Worked on place in Ivy.
Older than James LeGros even,
right?
Way older.
Yeah.
So that’s kind of interesting
just to think about.
But Drew said I showed up at
Tamra’s house late at night with
my laundry basket and she said I
could stay in her guest room and
then I didn’t leave for eight
months.
Tamra said that she said my
husband and I are very much in
love and I think it was good for
Drew to see what a healthy
relationship look like.
On the weekends, she’d sleep
really late, nothing could wake
her up, and we’d peek in and see
her tucked in with all her white
pillows and her white comforter
and she looks so sweet.
There’s something about her you
just want to take care of her.
And if she disappeared for a
weekend, my husband got really
worried.
Then she’d show up on a Sunday
evening and be all excited to
show us a new tattoo.
It’s so cute.
And I love the screenshot you
pulled literally from Guncrazy
of her curled up and sleeping.
I know there’s Tamra.
Like, inspired by what she was
seeing in her house.
Yes, and you pulled this extra
little tidbit that the Blu-ray
on the Blu-ray, Tamra said the
weekend that Drew was gone.
It turned out that she had spent
it with her mom and gotten her
jade tattoo.
Yes.
So now we have more of a like
timeline for when that happened.
I guess we can say N91, I think
we thought early 92, but that’s
so cool.
Cool.
That also means she did not get
the Jade Cherub and the Jamie,
Jamie Walters one at the same
time, which is kind of fun to
learn, right?
She’s done an Angel kick, I
guess.
Yeah.
Interesting.
And then just one more cute
quote about this, Tamra said.
It felt like she was kind of our
daughter.
We provided the surreal stable
family for her where she lived
with us and she just got to
focus on being an actress.
So I love like Tamra showing up
as another sort of like parental
figure which we really didn’t
have much of 1.
What an amazing gift to draw,
you know.
You know, I really made it a
point to everybody to show them
that I was Anita, you know, and
now that I’m being her, it feels
so great because I’m, you know,
it’s like I really fought for
her.
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OK, are we ready to get into the
movie itself?
Yeah, let’s go through it.
I have so many things to say.
I really like this movie.
It’s really good, you guys.
It is really good.
I will say I always just give
this little thing like we’re not
going to go through every beat
of the movie.
We’re going through a lot of the
beats of the movie, focusing on
Drew.
Yeah, which is most of the
movie, yes.
That’s very true most of the
movie.
So let’s get into the very
beginning.
So immediately we see Anita
walking around town and I think
this is outside in Ely
and she looks so pretty
right away.
You can tell that she’s supposed
to be like somewhat of an
outsider.
They’re like kind of
illustrating at that right or
right away, I mentioned the
green sweater.
It’s in the very beginning.
It’s very.
It’s very.
Cute.
Tamra has a small cameo at the
very start of the movie
basically, and can be seen from
the back when the school bell
rings.
No face.
So you must have said this in
the commentary, right?
She’s in a flannel in a beanie
and she’s shown from the back
like I, I was looking for it
after I saw your note and I was
like, what?
And then I when I saw the screen
Cam, I’m like, oh, OK.
Yeah, it just shows how like
little she was too, I think.
I mean, she was in her 20s when
she directed this.
So cool.
Right?
So Anita is getting an
assignment in her class.
I think it’s maybe it’s like a
geography class or something
that they’re going to find pen
pals to learn about the world.
And now we get these two dip
shits, Rodney Harvey and Jeremy
Davies, characters that are such
assholes to her, So
inappropriate in the classroom.
At first, the teacher doesn’t
even acknowledge what one of
them says something awful.
And then they get like a
warning, oh, you’re going to go
to the principal’s office?
I’m like, get these guys out of
here.
This is horrific.
Take them right now.
Take them immediately.
There was a deleted scene right
around here where the these same
boys are harassing Anita during
lunch and Ione Skye comes in and
like defends her and she’s
wearing a Princess costume.
So there’s a few photos of this
flying around out there.
And there’s also even like some
sort of low quality footage of
it on the Blu-ray where you can
see Ione like coming in in the
back.
I actually messaged her on
Instagram to see if she
remembered what it was and she
didn’t.
She’s really sweet about it.
And she’s like, you can ask
Tamra, but I found out in the
commentary Tamra says originally
this was supposed to be on
Halloween for some reason.
And there is a girl in the
classroom who has like cat
whiskers on her face.
Funny.
Yeah, but it’s like it was such
a half assed thing.
I guess they just like decide
not to pull any attention to it.
Oh that’s really funny because I
I vividly remember seeing this
still many times of Drew and
Ionian being like I don’t know
what this is like totally.
Like Drew’s look is so
distinctly a Guncrazy.
But like otherwise like what
movie is this from?
So Anita starts walking home and
here come these dipshits again.
And it’s just so hard to see
like how they treat her and she
just wants to be accepted by
them.
And they get her to basically
agree to come along with them in
the car.
And it just like, breaks my
heart.
It’s so real and they’re so
disgusting.
This.
There’s a really cool moment
here where there’s a Beastie
Boys song, Gratitude, that plays
in the background during their
drive to the dump.
So I kind of like that.
And she’s like, I can get that
one for cheap.
Let’s get that song in here,
yes?
And I know we probably don’t
want to talk about how gross
this is, but like the guy is
like groping Anita and saying
they only tease her because they
like her.
Yeah, gross.
Disgusting.
And then are we to believe that
she had sex with both of them in
this like tube in the desert or
whatever?
I think so.
It’s just awful.
And she just want they’re like,
oh come on, you like us?
Like we won’t tell anyone.
Like wants to be accepted,
right?
That’s what she says.
As long as you don’t tell
anyone.
Yeah, it’s just the epitome of
disgusting teenage boys and.
Totally your heart.
For her, we get to see after
that, she goes home to this
trailer that she lives in.
It’s very depressing.
And then here’s another
disgusting man.
Her mom’s boyfriend lives at the
house.
Mom is still alive, but she’s
taken off.
So now Anita’s stuck with this
nasty guy Rooney, who’s just as
horrible as the guys at school.
If not more.
Yeah, and there’s a very sad
shower scene.
I was like, well, at least
there’s no blood this time, like
in Doppelganger, but put a pin
in that.
Yeah.
And then it’s just awful.
She has to share a bed with this
disgusting guy, like.
And she, like, gets up when he
falls asleep and she goes and
lays outside.
But, you know, like a mattress.
Oh, it’s just.
I was like, oh, little
Cinderella.
Oh.
Totally.
Oh, it’s like by choice she’d
rather be out there than her
dad’s boyfriend who’s coming.
Dad’s boyfriend.
Oh, sorry, probably better and
probably better if it was her
dad’s boyfriend.
That’s very true.
Her mom’s boyfriend just like
constantly coming on to her.
It’s really sick.
OK, so we mentioned this pen
pal, you know, thing in the
class that where she was
supposed to find a pen pal.
So.
So we’re now we’re back in class
and Anita shares that she has
found her 2424 year old male pen
pal named Howard, who’s been in
prison for three years.
And it’s so sad how she just
seems to have no awareness of
how inappropriate it is.
She like reads his letter and
it’s everyone in the classroom’s
like what?
Yeah, and I think the teacher
says something like, that’s not
quite what we were thinking, you
know?
I don’t know.
I mean, do we want to hear any
of the letter?
Now I spend my days painting and
reading.
Before I only knew how to do one
thing good.
Shoot guns.
I always dreamed of a girl who
like guns.
Perhaps it was you I was
dreaming of.
It’s so.
It is cringy, so sad, but the
Anita seems excited.
I know.
But of course, of course it’s
just like the nicest anyone’s
ever been to her.
And it’s literally one letter
from a dude in prison who’s way
older than her.
Like, great, right?
One positive thing about this
letter is that it gives her some
confidence and so she’s like
ready to stand up to these
assholes at school.
And this clip.
I totally downloaded this from
an old Drew fan site.
When I hear it, it like takes me
back probably before I even saw
the movie.
I totally knew the clip before I
like heard it and played it.
But let’s let’s hear this little
gem.
Don’t bother me anymore, I have
a boyfriend now.
Oh.
And then her friend Joy comes in
and gets rid of these dip shits,
which I love that.
So it’s kind of interesting
because like that scene that
they cut, it looks like she was
doing the exact same thing.
So maybe it just started feeling
redundant.
Yeah, true.
That’s a good point.
They’re like, OK, how many times
can she be saved by her friend?
When?
Until she gets a gun.
At least she’s got someone in
her Horner, yeah.
Exactly.
Speaking of guns, Anita wants to
learn how to shoot.
She’s like, after this thing
with Howard, she’s like, yeah, I
guess I got to become his dream
girl.
Yeah, Drew was already familiar
with guns and how to shoot.
Very weird to me.
Yeah.
She’s Drew said that it’s
something that she and her
friends would do for fun, which
I guess I’m not like that
surprised by considering she
would just want to try things.
I guess it’s interesting because
I remember when we were covering
a certain magazine article from
like 93 and she was talking
about having A and we were like,
that is so weird.
And we kind of blamed it on
Jamie Walters.
We thought maybe he got her into
it, but this predates that.
So I guess we were wrong.
Sorry, Jamie.
It just doesn’t seem like her,
but you know, no drill.
Yeah.
We do get a peek of Drew’s cross
tattoo on her ankle here.
And I was like, I forget how
like, early it was when she got
it.
So like, I don’t know, I was
surprised.
I don’t know why.
I love that they left all her
tattoo all.
I think she only had a handful
but.
I know that we get to see more
than one, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
A letter from Howard reveals
that he has a chance of getting
out on parole if he has a job
lined up.
So it’s almost like here’s a job
for you, Anita.
Yeah, yeah, convenient for him.
Yes, and I, this is such a fun
little part.
Anita records an audio tape to
send to Howard, which we’ll play
a little bit of because it’s
really cute.
Actually, hi, Howard, this is
Anita.
Do I sound like you thought I
would?
And that surely was the nicest
thing I’ve ever read.
And you said you love me.
I love you more than warts could
ever know, my darling.
It goes on.
It’s very cute, but you’re
right, it’s very like, geez, now
we’re in love.
We’ve exchanged a couple
letters.
It’s like the equivalent of
meeting some old dude online and
you know it’s awful.
Yeah, a little bit.
There’s a really cool like close
up of her mouth when they’re
like, she’s like recording this
part.
It’s beautifully shot.
I love the screenshot you got of
this.
She also sends a really cute
Polaroid of herself to him that
comes in the same letter as the
as the.
Yeah, it took me by surprise.
Yeah, and we love real photos.
Like, I know I’ve kind of
forgotten him.
When I saw it, I was like, that
is so cute.
We need that.
Share that on the episode page.
Yeah.
Where is that?
Where is that photo?
It’s clearly a Polaroid.
Yeah.
And then I don’t remember, does
he like, respond?
But basically there’s these
little fantasy visions that he’s
having of her.
There’s two.
And they’re very different from
the rest of the movie.
They were actually shot after
filming it wrapped.
And Drew’s hair is shorter and
like almost like lighter or
brassier.
And this is like, fun little
piece of info.
They were filmed at G Sun
Studios, the Beastie Boys
recording studio.
That’s fun.
I like that little tidbit right
away.
I don’t know.
I don’t know why there’s one
little part where she’s wearing
this like rodeo style shirt and
she’s like going to shoot a gun
gun or like pretending to shoot
a gun.
It’s it’s a fantasy and it
reminded me of when this is so
random, but I know you knew of
when Drew was on the Letterman
on the David Letterman show in
like 1999 doing a dog trick with
Flossie.
And she also like has sort of
like a rodeo style thing and
goes bang.
I totally see it.
Flossie plays dead.
Very cute.
Also like I am positive that
probably I don’t know when I
look at this like the screen cap
I don’t immediately go gun
crazy.
Like it almost looks like a
photo shoot.
Well, and again, like, you can
tell, yeah, Tamra even says
something like even though it
only been a very short amount of
time, she’d already changed her
hair.
Cuz that’s what she used to do
back then.
Yeah.
So Howard writes a letter
claiming that he has accepted
God so that Anita can get him a
job with a preacher as sort of
like an assistant.
So that all works out.
He’s going to get out.
Everything’s going great for
these two, except.
So we get a little scene here
where Anita’s starting to really
feel like good about herself.
She’s really good at shooting.
She’s just like a natural at it.
But then she has a horrible
encounter with Rooney, her mom’s
boyfriend.
It’s implied he rapes her and
she shoots him in the trailer
living room.
And I’m like bye bitch.
Yep.
See ya.
We don’t need you.
No, you’re being of no positive
service to this.
This young girl.
You could go.
Yep, so and then perfect timing
’cause now it’s time for Howard
to come.
Yes, come on over, it’s all free
here.
Tamra intentionally kept Howard
James LeGros’s character mostly
off screen until now.
So you don’t meet him until
Anita does, which I think is
cool because like you don’t
really have any sense what he
looks like or anything and then
you meet him and he’s very non
threatening.
I don’t think that that
character looks like scary.
I mean, he really comes across
as sort of like he’s trying to
be like a gentleman.
Like Tamra said, that was sort
of one of the things that she
was intrigued by was this idea
of like these criminals, but
like, they can also have like
good sides to them, like
exploring that.
Psychos maybe, Or like kind of
they are, but I don’t know.
Yeah.
So Anita’s character picks up
Howard from the bus stop.
She like, drives herself in her
in Rooney’s car.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She actually looks her age in
the scene, I think, cuz she’s
like nervous or something.
But they’re so awkward together
at first, which like of course
they’ve exchanged a couple
letters like.
Right.
No.
Makes sense.
But I do think it’s played.
It is played well.
You can feel the awkwardness.
Very real.
This part is very weird.
So she takes him to the church,
I guess is like with the guy who
he’s going to be working with.
And there’s this creepy sermon
in process where it involves
snakes and banjo music.
And what’s funny is that like,
Drew’s character, Anita, like
they have Drew like laughing.
She’s sitting in the back, kind
of like laughing.
It’s almost like, yeah, this is
what I grew up around.
Like, doesn’t faze her, but it’s
such a, like, weird part of the
movie.
It creeps.
Me out it is odd.
So he’s going to work there,
great, but she’s not allowed to
stay there with him.
But then she comes and knocks on
the window at night to his
bedroom and it feels very mad.
Love to me it.
Does it’s really cute feels like
when she’s knocking on the
classroom window.
I also I wrote this down.
It feels funny to like read this
out of context, but the reveal
of her like having a gun in her
pants is so cute because it
shows her like bare midriff and
she’s got like these red like
corduroys on and she’s gun
tucked, this huge gun tucked
into.
Camera said something about that
shot.
I can’t remember exactly what,
but I think like she’d like
storyboarded it.
Like she really?
Liked that shot.
Cool.
I really like it too.
Like there’s something also the
color in it I think is also
like.
The color in this movie now.
Really cool.
It’s really cool.
Like, surprisingly so.
Anita takes out Howard to shoot
and she tries to seduce him, and
she’s really confused when he’s
uninterested.
She’s so used to using her body
as like, the tool to get pain to
like her, except her, you know?
And so she’s just like, I don’t
get it.
So we get a scene where Howard
goes to his parole officer and
it’s revealed that that’s Joyce,
dad.
So just this little small town,
of course, that works out that
way.
And he wants Joy to stay away
from these two, which is
understandable.
Anita just casually drops here
that she has left school.
She’s done with that.
Yeah.
And anyway, Joy ends up giving
them a ride back to the trailer
when their truck isn’t working,
so they have this cute little
girlfriend’s moment at the
trailer.
I just love seeing Ione and Ruby
so like, cute and silly and
they’re drinking and dancing.
They do this like, little
choreography.
It’s just adorable, Ione said.
Like, she sort of felt like she
and Drew were overwhelming
James.
She’s like, that’s kind of the
point, but like, it felt like it
was happening in real life too.
Not surprising.
Like now you’re like very, very
cute.
Like giggly giggly high energy
girls.
Yeah, So Joy’s dad comes in and,
like, breaks up the party.
And Tamra said it was really
hard to get this scene shot
because once Drew gets the
giggles, it’s hard to stop her.
And then there’s, like, this
moment after Joy’s dad leaves
that wasn’t scripted where she
says something like, I guess
your parole officer doesn’t like
you.
And she starts cracking up
again.
And Tamra said that was like,
totally Drew actually laughing,
which you can see.
You can see it.
Actually, like that specific
part, I was like, as this was
coming up, I’m like reading your
notes as I’m watching.
I’m like, OK, where?
And it was like so clear.
Like that is a real giggle.
I do like hate that Joyce Dad
makes like some really gross
remark to Anita because like,
you kind of want to root for him
in parts of this movie.
But after that, I’m sort of
like, oh, you suck just as much
as everyone else.
Because he seems to want to
like, write her off.
Oh, yeah.
But like, you think he’s like
trying to, you think he’s like a
good guy at some point, but then
yeah, he’s he calls her trash or
something.
It’s awful.
Yeah.
It is, it is.
It is rude for sure.
Nobody seems to like, want to
pay attention to the fact that
Anita is like a 16 year old girl
and they’re just like writing
her off as like, whatever.
She’s with everyone.
Yeah.
It’s.
Awful.
So in this part of the movie
Howard and Anita are just like
hanging out outside on a blanket
and the preacher like comes up
assuming that they are messing
around.
But we find out that Howard is
still isn’t ready for sex and he
doesn’t really get it.
Howard is like adamant that
nothing has happened, but the
preachers also adamant that they
need to get married.
Well, yeah, he says something
like you can’t be caught with an
underage girl.
It’s like, yeah.
Yeah, no kidding.
So let’s get married.
Anita is really excited about
this prospect.
Oh, she looks so cute as a
bride.
You know, I love bride Drew on
screen.
It’s like one of my favorite
things.
And she has a little Daisy
bouquet so love that it feels
early for a Daisy reference.
It does.
I also wonder like every once in
a while when I’ve seen daisies,
I think about how they’re like a
cheap flower.
And I’m like, I wonder if that’s
supposed to like, in this case,
be like up.
They just got like an
inexpensive flower just to
these.
That makes sense.
We love to think that there’s
actually a connection to being
Drew’s favorite flower and that
she had something to do with the
decision.
So Howard is once again unable
to perform sexually that night,
and Anita says that they can get
together in another way by
telling each other their deepest
secrets.
So his is that he’s never been
able to be with a woman.
He’s basically impotent, frigid
and impotent.
And her secret is showing him
her mom’s way.
Dead boyfriends, rotting corpse
out in like a freezer.
Frigid and impotent.
They really are.
They really are.
I like how she presents it too.
And she’s like this is how I’m
or this is my consummation.
Yeah.
Something like that.
Yeah, and it’s nasty.
Like Tamra says Like wow, I
thought this like wouldn’t hold
up like the special effect body,
but she’s like, it actually
looks really gross.
I wanted the body to not be so
rotted because it was in like a
fridge but I’m like OK I guess
the fridge was not.
Probably not plugged in.
Yeah, at this place.
That makes a lot of sense,
actually.
They live in like a junkyard.
Yeah.
So they Howard’s like, oh shit,
now we got to deal with this.
This isn’t good.
You know, I, I definitely feel
for him a little at this bar.
Yeah.
‘Cause he’s like, OK, yeah, OK,
we got to, we got to figure this
out.
So they take the body to this
like random furnace at the dump
that just runs all the time, I
guess.
And Anita has a nice little
thing to say as their the body.
Here lies pig, may he roast in
hell for all eternity.
Yeah, girl.
So there’s this really sad
speech from Anita here about how
she’s been abused, and now that
Howard’s here, he’s like, set
her free and no one better ever
mess with her again.
And this one really got me.
So Tamra said that Drew,
unexpectedly to Tamra, changed
the dialogue here.
And she was supposed to say,
like, ever since I was 13, men
have only one and one thing for
me.
And Drew changed it to 9.
I just was like, I hope there’s
no reason for that besides just
it felt true to the character.
I feel like there’s probably a
reason for it.
I know it’s just icky.
Sad is icky to think about.
Speaking of Vicky.
Speaking of Vicky, those
assholes from school show up
again and they’re harassing
them.
Howard, though, ends up shooting
and killing them both.
Kind of by accident, but kind of
like it’s like he has no control
over himself.
He doesn’t want to do these
things.
Right.
So he’s like, you’re making me
do this, kind of.
Anita, though, says at one point
to one of the guys.
It’ll be OK, Tom.
Just think about Jesus.
No, right?
Before he like is die, like dies
or is shot again or whatever it
is.
I mean, I don’t think it’s
intended to happen, but it does
happen and they’re gone.
I like that you point out that
there’s another yellow car for
Drew and the reason they take
that yellow car is because
they’re trying to take their
truck and it won’t start.
And she’s like, we can’t leave
this here.
The police will know, and
they’re like, let’s burn this
one.
Got to have Drew in a yellow
car.
As they bury the bodies, Howard
tells Anita if they get caught
to say that he made her do
everything, that it was like he
that he was the impetus for
every bad doing that happened,
which.
Semi true, sort of, but she did.
Start a lot of it herself.
Yeah, so then I was like, oh, I
guess we’re going to get a
bloody shower scene after all,
cuz they show them showering
together after this and they’re
the blood is going down the
drain.
Tamra was a little worried
about this because of the wet
tank top shot of a 16 year old
Drew, which I’m like, yeah, I
don’t think we needed that.
I.
Don’t really know why we
probably not.
No, but we do get another tattoo
peek here of her little toe moon
and it’s very cute and I love
that her like toenail polishes
chipped.
Like of course this girl.
That’s just true.
In fact, she even puts on nail
Polish, right?
Well, that is true too.
It’s probably just true, but I
like that you like the
character.
And then this is wild.
So James has a memory that
during filming of this scene,
there was like, it was one of
those moments where he and Drew
had some tension between them,
but then Drew just went over to
him and gave him a hug to, like,
make peace.
And then this glass plate that
was above them to protect the
camera from the water fell and
shattered right where she’d
previously been standing.
Kind of a try it.
Magic.
Magic, Drew, or magic James
calling you over?
What was that?
Thank goodness.
Thank goodness.
OK, so this is just like a weird
aside, but it takes us to where
it takes us.
It’s fine.
Yeah.
So the preacher, the one we
mentioned earlier, who likes to
use snakes in his in his
sermons, gets bit by like a
rattlesnake.
And they say that they’re like
whatever D poisoned or whatever,
right?
I’m like, what?
They take him to the hospital.
You figured out that it’s the
Linda Vista Community Hospital
in Boyle Heights in neighborhood
in LA, supposedly super haunted
and a frequent filming location.
OK, you’ve got a little tidbit
here that I bet you.
Have well, I recognized it once
I because they don’t show it
from the front.
But when I did see what the
front looked like, I was like,
oh, it’s Sunnydale Memorial
Hospital in Buffy.
I was so excited to see that.
But it’s used to lie.
Of course.
Our friend Lindsay Blake has a
whole post about it, but she
didn’t know about Guncrazy, so
I told her about that, which was
fun.
They also used it for the jail
scenes and for Kincaid’s office,
which is really neat.
Oh, OK.
And then I’ve like, you know, I
was putting it on our locations
map.
And funnily enough, is this less
than half a mile, so extremely
close to where the whole
doppelganger scene with the
train tracks in the tunnel where
that was filmed.
So it’s like, just a few months
later, she’s back there filming
again.
It’s just so funny.
Like, I feel like nothing’s
filmed in LA anymore, right.
But like back then, it’s just
like, yeah, I was just here
across the street a couple weeks
ago.
Right.
That’s so fun.
I love those little things.
And that’s the that’s the
strength of the map, right?
We never would have like put
those things together without
like, like our archive have
that, that thing there to do
that to help us make that
connection.
Mr. Kincaid comes to talk to
Howard and of course, we have
more chaos.
Anita ends up shooting a
different cop when Mr. Kincaid
pulls a gun and this is crazy.
I love this info.
That shot of like Drew shooting
the cop almost gave this an NC
Was it just because like the
number of shots or the?
Gruesome because it’s like
gruesome, like kind of splatter
on the wall behind him.
Tamra had to, like, really
fight the interesting.
What do they call the MPA?
Yeah.
Anita and Howard take Kincaid
hostage, which seems like such,
like, bad planning.
They drive him off into the
desert.
And of course, he’s going to
know who they are either way if
they release him, you know,
Right.
So.
And Howard, like, really starts
kind of losing it.
And Anita pleads with him not to
kill Mr. Kincaid because it’s
Joy’s father.
And I love this line that you
pointed out.
He says, you see that girl, the
one you called trash?
Well, she just saved your life.
Yeah, it’s such a good ending on
that scene.
Yeah, I felt vindicated because
I was so mad when Mr. Kincaid
was rude to her.
Yeah.
But yeah, this is like, to me,
it’s sort of Howards like really
trying to hold it together up
until this scene.
And then it’s just like, let’s
go berserk.
Yeah.
So they got to go on the run,
right?
Here’s our lovers on the run.
And Howard has the idea that
they go see Anita’s mom in
Fresno.
And Drew, like Drew herself just
looks so cute here because she
gets all excited.
Yeah.
She’s like, yes.
Like, oh, yeah, let’s do it.
Like, that’s a great idea.
She’s.
So going to Mexico?
I know it kind of reminds me of
that.
And then I love this little line
that she says while they’re on
their little road trip.
I’m hungry.
Well, maybe we see a rap or
something.
We can shoot it.
Fuck that.
Hey, you need it.
Do you have to use that
language?
I need cereal or something.
I like this, so relatable.
Sometimes they just need cereal.
Same on a rabbit.
I love cereal.
I think you and I are both
cereal.
Lovers, right?
Cereal, but they don’t have any
money for food.
And Anita’s also missing her
trailer.
She’s like, it wasn’t much, but
it was mine.
And yeah, you know, maybe she’s
sort of starting to realize,
like, maybe I’m not in the best
situation here.
Maybe so.
So at this point, they almost
hit a dog in the road and they
get out to help it.
You made a note here that this
might be close to where your
husband’s family lives.
Yeah.
Yeah, it’s so Tamra says it’s
near Agua Dulce, which is where
my mother-in-law lives.
And there is another town like
nearby.
I can’t remember off the top of
my head what it’s called, but I
showed the picture to Jason.
He’s like, Oh yeah, this is
totally that area, but I haven’t
found the house yet.
OK, Just give me time, you know?
I won’t rest until I do.
Yes.
So this doggie turns out it
belongs to Jade Barrymore.
Woman with dog.
Look at woman with dog.
Yes, exactly.
I thought that Jade was much
more natural in this, like I
mean it’s literally 5 seconds
but way more natural than in
doppelganger where we were both
like Oh no her acting is so bad
but in this she felt like a
normal woman.
Kind of.
But she also seemed like so
unlike unworried about her dog.
Like she’s like.
There it is.
There she is.
Oh, she’s always getting out.
Like, you were not looking for
your dog.
Totally.
This dog was like way down the
street.
And at this point, we see that
Jade’s character is packing up
to go camping.
And they, like, make a point to
ask, oh, are you going camping?
Definitely like setting
something.
Yeah, we are.
Yeah, we’re going camping.
Did you find, like, there was an
interesting kind of symbolism
here where Anita is like on this
journey to go find her mom and
then Drew comes to the door of
her actual mom?
Like, it’s kind of a neat thing
to think about.
Didn’t even really think about
that.
Yeah, well, that’s like the mom
thing is so prevalent as a theme
in the movie, right?
Like for her real mom to show
up, it’s just like, that’s
interesting.
So they stop into a bar planning
to rob the patrons of their
cash.
And this kind of goes awry
because pretty quickly, Anita’s
like, struggling with it.
She’s like, she’s like, starts
to take money.
And as it like, one guy says,
I’ve got kids.
Can’t you like, not take all of
it?
And that immediately like
triggers this response from
Anita.
I can’t do this, Howard.
For Christ’s sake, don’t say my
name.
Drews face becomes like,
immediately kind of like puppy
dog, like, like vulnerable.
Yeah.
And Tamra had noted
specifically that she loved
Drews little face.
She is so little, she’s just a
little 16 year old.
It’s crazy.
Just a little 16 year old.
She gets real tough in this
movie then like immediately gets
vulnerable.
That’s true, and that’s true,
right, right.
I have like a really cool quote
for our next episode from
someone about basically the
thorn and the flower of drew.
Oh, this is a that’s a great way
of that totally works in this
movie.
Cool.
So they they leave without any
money and then they head to this
really cute like I was
immediately like, where is this?
It’s very 60s looking place and
they’re going there to like get
some food.
It was called the Walk in but
spelled WALCK back then.
It’s in Simi Valley and now it’s
called the Old Susanna Cafe.
It still has this like triangle
shape to it, but it doesn’t look
as like kitschy and cute as it
does in the movie.
And I didn’t recognize it, but I
recognize the name and I’ve been
here.
That’s crazy.
Oh my God.
I know.
That’s so neat, what were you
there for?
Simi Valley is not that far from
where my boyfriend lives and so
we were meeting some friends
there.
This was like 3 years.
Ago, but well, if you go again,
take I.
Know that’s.
Your location stage.
Totally, totally.
I love how you were able to find
it because it’s so distinct too.
It took me like 2 seconds.
That’s awesome.
But this is interesting ’cause
it was definitely a restaurant,
and I’m guessing it still is,
yeah.
Right.
But they make it look like
they’re going here and that it’s
a convenience store, so they
must have just used the exterior
and then done the convenience
store scene somewhere else.
And I love this scene.
It’s just so like, like I wrote
like, oh, it’s kind of like a
shaky handheld camera.
And it turns out that Lisa, the
cinematographer was literally
sitting in a shopping cart with
the camera for this scene.
And they’re just like, so happy
to be eating this junk.
Like they literally are stealing
food and eating it in the store.
And nobody’s like stopping them,
which is actually kind of funny.
Drews like eating a big stick
popsicle for like multiple parts
of it like.
It doesn’t.
James put one of those like,
gross, like apple pie, like he
puts like the whole thing in his
mouth, like they’re starving.
Yes, they’re definitely shoving
things in their mouth.
Yeah, for sure.
And it is cool.
Like right away when I read that
note about the shopping cart, I
was like, there’s another
creative like, you know, they
didn’t bring a train in.
They just, you know, or a
Steadicam.
There’s their.
Steadicam Yeah.
So they make it to Fresno, and
it’s kind of funny because I
guess I’ve never been there, so
I shouldn’t speak out of turn,
but I feel like Fresno was not
thought of as like a great
place.
Fresno is like one of those,
like middle of nowhere, you
know?
But in the movie, they’re like,
it’s so nice and clean.
Here, the people are so fancy.
I’m like what Fresno?
It was actually filmed in
Glendale and there’s this really
cool shot where they sit in
front of this fountain and it
has a statue, like a face
statue, and it’s a profile and
Drew’s profile is right next to
it.
I was, I had to have been
intentional, but Tamra doesn’t
comment on it.
But anyway, after you kind of
pushed me because I could not
find this, this does not exist
in the same format anymore.
But you pushed me to like dig a
little deeper and I did find
where it was filmed.
It is right there on Brand Blvd.
in Glendale.
It totally makes sense.
I found an article that
described those sculptures so
they used to be there but they
aren’t anymore.
There’s still a fountain and you
can even see like the let the
levels of the fountains too.
But the weird little sculptures
are gone.
So still neat though.
We could go visit it for sure.
Nice finds.
Thank you.
You know me, once I get
determined, I love it.
I love it.
And yet another one that you
found.
So they stop, I guess at right
after this, they stopped to get
directions at the Great White
Hut Burger stand in Glendale,
which is still around.
Yeah, it looks different, but
it’s still there, which is fun.
Yeah, it is really fun.
The producer, Zane W Levitt, is
randomly playing the guy behind
the counter here.
I love those little things.
They’re.
Probably just like we gotta get
somebody.
I know that the Diane Firestone
producer is also has a cameo as
like a newscaster later on in
the movie.
I didn’t make a note of it, but
like, you know, they’re just
pulling what they can.
Right.
Or they’re like, let’s put me
in.
Yeah, their car is getting
towed, so of course, here comes
the gun.
Of course, the solution to
everything at this point in the
movie.
Yes.
And it works.
The guys like, OK, guys, they go
to Anita’s mom’s place where
they’re a bunch of people just
like doing drugs and.
And she’s not there.
Yeah.
It’s like a bad scene.
Yeah, they’re told the mom is
gone and owes money, so they
just cause more violence and
chaos and they’re out of there.
I mean, basically somebody’s
like, oh, you can like, like
work off your mom’s dues.
And Stanks.
So gross.
And this, again, like, when I
was watching it, I know that gun
crazy was kind of hazy in our
memories when we did our episode
about parentless characters.
We just knew that my mom, like,
wasn’t around.
So it really, like, brought on
another interesting level to me
to know like, oh, she was really
trying to find her mom and it’s
just not working out.
It’s bad news.
Yeah, so we’re at the finale of
the movie.
They decide they’re going to go
back to woman with dogs.
Empty house.
She’s on camping, so let’s go
use her house.
Drew is so cute with the dog, it
feels very natural.
Drew, I love that so much, too.
And they get all dressed up for
dinner, and there’s this sad,
sort of sweet, sad little
moment.
We look like nice people.
We are nice people.
You know, it’s Anita.
It’s true.
Like it’s not her fault.
She’s in this horrible situation
that she’s been basically born
into.
Yeah.
You know, she is a nice person.
She’s just life has been shitty
for her.
They’re convincing themselves
that they’re not like doing bad
things.
Yeah, totally.
Yeah.
That’s kind of that thing that
James said about how they’re
both sort of childish and they
can’t really, they can’t really
understand like what, what kind
of horrible things they’re
doing.
And like the consequences of
their actions.
Totally.
Right.
Like they’re not paying
attention to that.
The look though, is so different
than everything else in this
movie.
Yes, in her little dress up with
these she has almost that little
Poison Ivy French twist.
I had actually posted a picture
of this in our stories and I was
like what movie is this from?
And only one person guessed it
right.
Everyone else gets Poison Ivy.
Yeah.
And I knew that you were getting
ready for this, but I replied to
you and I was like, I don’t
think I would have known.
Like I would have definitely
questioned like, yeah.
But it’s so.
Funny, we did mention these
vacation slides.
Yeah, so they’re looking at
woman with dog and her husband’s
vacation slides and they’re, I
don’t know, we just, it’s just
funny.
We, we kind of laugh about Jade
sometimes.
And these definitely cracked me
up.
I mean, definitely, but I just
love thinking about these being
taken for the purpose of being
used in the film.
And like, Jade’s, like, dorky,
like, I just.
I just love it so much.
Yeah.
Anita calls Joy because she just
wants to talk.
And I was like, no, girl, bad,
bad, bad idea.
They’re going to find you.
But she’s not.
Again, she’s not thinking about
that.
And they get all excited because
they’re on the news and they’re
like, we’re on the news.
But then they see footage of
Howard’s dad essentially saying
that he hopes Howard dies.
Yeah.
So that sucks.
But very importantly, the news
report says it’s unclear if
Anita is an accomplice or a
hostage.
And that, like, brings me right
back to that true Crime Story of
Carol and Fugate because that
was totally a thing with her as
well.
Yeah.
Then we get this super out of
nowhere.
It’s pretty surprising.
Like I kind of forgot it
actually happens.
There’s a sex scene.
I was not expecting it at all.
Totally forgot about.
That I think it’s, it’s really,
it’s really pretty tame.
Sort of like it’s very
suggestive and like not, I don’t
know, they don’t really show
anything, but you know what’s
happening.
Tamra was nervous, of course,
because of Drew’s age, but Drew
did say it was.
It was like a beautiful and
natural scene, and you feel like
you’re looking through a keyhole
at them, which is true.
It kind of feels like they have
their, like, privacy in this
moment.
And it’s, like I said,
suggestive, but I didn’t
remember it.
I kind of thought that like they
didn’t ever have sex.
It’s very surprising.
Yeah.
I think it almost would have
been just as impactful if they
hadn’t, but they would have had
to probably like make a point or
something about that.
I don’t know. close-ups of Drew
in this scene were filmed later
as pickups.
And once again, the hair is
brassier, so you can kind of
tell in the makeup looks a
little heavier and different.
Like I was like I was.
Like her brows way darker.
Like once you knew, once you
know, you can’t like Unsee it’s.
Kind of funny.
She does like gorgeous, of
course.
Though, of course.
So finally, they’re starting to
realize there’s no way out of
their situation.
Just sad us all because they’re
going to catch us.
Well, if we play our cards,
they’re going to find us and
they’re going to shoot us.
And if they don’t, then the
state will later.
Howard I guess that’s pretty
predictable.
I never really minded dying
before.
What I didn’t realize is that I
was never really alive until I
hooked up with you.
Oh my goodness, I need.
Yeah, sad, but also like you
could do a lot better.
Yeah, and that she’s realizing,
like the danger that they’ve put
themselves in.
That’s good.
Yeah, because we see Joy’s dad.
He’s heading out to wherever
they are.
And before he goes, Joy reminds
him that Anita saved his life,
which I love that.
So Anita and Howard see the cops
pulling up to this house where
they’re at, and they get
dressed.
Anita says, well, if I’m going
to die, I want to have my
clothes on, like, again, sort of
like, immature and cute.
Yeah.
And there’s a really cool shot
where Drew is reflected in three
mirrors, and then James walks in
and he’s reflected in, like, 2.
And Tamra said that her and Lisa
were really into mirror shots
when they were filming this
movie.
This.
One is particularly cool and
it’s just such a short like few
seconds, but it’s cool.
It’s like right away you’re
like, oh look, I can see Drew in
like 4 different angles.
Her face is even in the little
mirror.
That’s all I know.
They’re so cute.
They’re cool.
So then randomly smoke bomb
comes and, like, is shot into
the house and Howard tells Anita
he’s going to make sure she gets
a chance to get away.
Like, he’s like, I’m watching
out for you.
And it’s immediately chaotic.
Yeah, he basically like he also
said to them like she’s a
hostage and then gives her a
little wing.
I know he’s like, I’m going to
shoot her a killer.
And then he’s like, wink,
kidding girl.
There’s something so cute about
it.
It actually is kind of cute.
There’s like some like warmth in
that, like very chaotic
momentarily.
Again, it’s like he’s like this
little boy, like you’re about to
die and he’s just like, hey, I’m
just.
Kidding.
Yeah, they each just casually
shoot a couple of cops when they
come in.
Tamra said that that part
always reminded her of ET when
the scientists come into the
house.
And I was like, that’s
interesting because I feel like
the gas masks add to that
because.
Each of the cops.
I think because they were
throwing that bomb in smoke
bomb, that they were like, OK,
we need to protect ourselves
from this.
But I could see that it’s.
Kind of neat.
Yeah, I love that little
connection.
Howard coaches Anita on what to
say after it’s all over.
Like he was before.
Like tell them I told you to do
all of it.
Yeah, they have a really sad
goodbye.
It’s really cool how it shot,
like, through that banister.
And Tamra said that Drew wanted
to make sure that she was, like,
really crying for real.
She didn’t want to fake it.
So Tamra had to, like, work with
her on that.
And it made Tamra so sad to have
Drew crying.
I know.
Howard says, hey, maybe tonight
we made a baby.
And I was like, oh, no, I hope
not.
That is the last thing this girl
needs.
Yeah, Yeah.
And then she has to watch him
die in this shootout, which is
like, intense.
It’s intuitive.
It’s insanely like, gruesome for
no reason.
He’s shot like 10 times by each
cop.
Like it’s like kind of crazy and
they make it so like action
movie dramatically totally shot
on a like, on like a stairwell.
Like, yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s a
bit much.
Right in front of her.
It’s just so sad.
But then I noticed during this
like sad moment, she’s laying on
her stomach and you can see the
guest jeans logo on her butt.
And I was like, she totally
looks like she’s practicing for
her future ad.
And I love that when you pulled
this one, it’s like the same
kind of like hip movement with
the other hip.
I know you gotta share this like
I will.
It’s too funny the.
Comparison for sure.
It’ll be on the gallery.
Yeah.
And then Joy’s dad comes in to
get Anita as she’s crying over
Howard’s body and she says he
made me do it.
So she’s going through with the
plan.
Yep.
And then these very end shots
where like the sun is coming up
and there’s all these emergency
vehicles in front of this
farmhouse.
Felt so scream.
And when I did a Google image
search to find this house, it
was trying to tell me it was the
house from screen.
I was like, no bitch, it is not.
I like that.
It’s like, I also see it, AI is
like, I also see the same thing
you do, Ashley, totally.
And that’s our movie.
It’s good, you guys.
If you haven’t watched this one
in a while, highly recommend you
revisit.
It’s free on Amazon Primes.
And like on YouTube right now.
The whole thing is on YouTube,
so guys, go check it out.
We’ll link to it on the episode
page if you don’t want to try to
find it yourself, but it’s easy.
And I, you know, we’ll get into
it a little bit, but like, Drew
got some accolades for this and
it’s not surprising.
Yeah.
I OK, so let’s talk a bit about
the release before we leave you.
So the movie was brought to Can
in May of 1992.
Tamra and Drew, of course, both
went.
I think Jamie was there with
her, right?
Yeah.
The movie originally aired on TV
on Showtime on October 17th of
The producers were somewhat
bummed that the movie premiered
on cable rather than in
theaters, which makes sense.
Especially back then.
I was just going to say like now
things in like TV and movie are
way more blurry.
Like TV is respected is just as
much as film these days in some
ways.
Totally.
Back then especially like a
premium cable channel where a
lot of people wouldn’t even have
had access to see it, right?
We’ve got a couple like rave
reviews for Drew, so let’s jump
into this a little bit.
I love these.
So this one was like, supposedly
really important, Vincent Camby
of The New York Times say.
He said Drew Barrymore gives the
kind of performance that can
transform A sweetly competent
actress into a major screen
personality.
Miss Barrymore’s Anita is an
important part of the way the
movie works.
She’s enchanting to watch, both
angelic and monstrous.
There’s that thing again.
It’s Miss Barrymore, whose
presence illuminates the screen.
She’s come a long way since ET
the Extraterrestrial, and
possibly she has much further to
go after she graduates from her
Lolita roles.
I love that.
It’s great.
Yeah.
The Angelic monstrous is a
perfect way to like talk about
that juxtaposition.
It’s also like doppelganger.
Yeah, it’s kind of funny.
Literally monstrous.
Yeah.
Drew said that when Vincent
Camby wrote about Guncrazy,
saying it was greatest film, she
said I didn’t even think he’d
see this movie.
Yeah, like amazing to her that
that person would even have
encountered the movie.
A lot of people involved with
the movie said this specific
positive review had made a big
difference and gave the movie
more opportunities.
That’s so interesting.
I wonder if reviews are as
important as they were at one
time like.
I don’t think so.
Probably not as.
Much weight, like for one guy to
have the power right, for his
words to matter that much, it’s
kind of amazing.
But he’s not the only one.
So the Los Angeles Times, they
said Barrymore, who was allowed
to drift over the top in Poison
Ivy, is much more in control
here.
And her portrayal of someone so
deeply in need of even
artificial affection that she
allows herself to be sexually
coerced is genuinely moving.
Well, sad.
Yeah, and then we’ve got Peter
Travers of Rolling Stone.
He’s one of those guys we always
like.
We always laugh about laugh
about something he said about
Charlie’s Angels or something
that cracks us up, he said.
This performance should dispel
Barrymore’s unfair Rep as the
Linda Blair of the 90s.
She’s a dynamite presence and a
credible actress, as she proved
in Catches, Poison Ivy and on TV
as the best of the three Amy
Fishers.
And then in Newsday, it says
Barrymore has played several
teen tramps in low budget
movies, but this is her first
substantial screen character and
she does wonders with it.
Wow.
And then finally, LA Weekly said
nobody is better equipped to
represent her lost generation
than Drew Barrymore.
With her bruised gash of a mouth
and a Born to Sid Bod, Barrymore
could probably get this message
across just by sauntering across
the screen.
But she’s also a deceptively
casual actress who brings oceans
of nuance to bear on each and
every bad seed.
Hell yeah.
Wow.
These are all, like, written
very, like, poetically.
Yeah, maybe that’s the art of
the review as well, right?
Awesome.
We love when Drew was, like,
recognized.
Yeah, I know.
It’s our favorite.
Yeah.
In December 1992, Drew received
a Golden Globe nomination for
best performance by an actress
in a Miniseries or Telefilm.
And you made a note that that
like wording has changed a
little bit, but at the time
that’s what they were calling.
Yeah, I know, Telefilm.
Yes, and we do have a little
clip of Drew like talking in
response to her nomination.
Nothing like this has ever
happened to me.
I know that we’re all shocked.
I’m shocked most of all, and I’m
really grateful.
Oh, like it’s a big deal at this
time.
Like, she just went from
blacklisted to Golden Globe
nomination.
Yes, she also said, I was
shocked when I was nominated.
It’s a real honor.
And much of the credit goes to
Tamra because she’s easily the
best director I’ve ever worked
with.
Sorry, Steven Spielberg, I just
threw that part in.
The award went to Laura Dern.
But it’s also funny that Jessica
Lange was nominated in that same
category.
Like, so cool.
Like the future, Drew would be
Jessica for their shared film
Grey Gardens.
Yes, the movie did receive a
limited theatrical run starting
on January 20th of 1993.
And Tamra’s pretty sure that
the movie was one of, like, the
first to go from cable to
theaters.
I’m very curious if that’s true.
But also, like, it’s unusual.
Yeah, that, like, I wouldn’t be
surprised.
Like that’s crazy.
It’s really neat that that
happened.
Yeah, and the movie was released
on VHS in February of 1993, on
February 24th.
And I’m going to let you kind of
take this talk about like the
incredible Blu-ray that was
released in 2020, because this
is so.
Weird.
It’s so weird.
So in December 2020, this
company called MVD released a
Blu-ray of the movie as part of
their rewind collection.
And I remember seeing it and I
was like, this can’t be real,
right?
Like, yeah, Guncrazy.
No one ever talks about gun
crazy.
Like there’s no way there’s this
brand new amazing DVD.
Well, it is real and it is
amazing.
It is full of features, like way
more than any movie that comes
out these days.
Yeah, there’s an entire 90
minute documentary brand new
called The Making of Guncrazy
with interviews from tons of the
film makers and cast.
And I use that massively as the
source for this episode.
Like without this, I would have
so many less notes.
There’s tons of amazing behind
the scenes footage.
Like I wish I had a way to
digitize this for you guys.
I was like sending pictures of
my TV to Anne because it’s just
crazy the stuff that they have.
Because I do not have this
Blu-ray.
Yeah, there’s also the
commentary that was done by
Tamra around 2003 for the DVD.
And then they they say like
commentary with Tamra and Drew,
but really they just like
intersplice.
Every once in a while they’ll
insert this like audio of Drew
from 1991 on set.
So it’s kind of like, it’s not
really common, Terry, but it’s
kind of cool.
That’s a lot of.
Work for them to be like if
you’re splicing that.
Also whoever put this together
like.
I’m telling you, there’s also
this like very cool making a
featurette from 1992 and it
literally looks like it was shot
on a camcorder, like on set like
this stuff like you would never
see this for most movies.
It’s very, very neat, but sadly
it’s really hard to find now.
I didn’t realize this until you
went to go look for a copy.
Went to go look for it and like
on Amazon it was like $80.00 and
I was like what is going on?
So my understanding or my
thought is that it was a very
like small production like run.
Run.
Blu-ray I, I mean, if you’re out
there and you have it, like
cherish it or send it to us.
Yeah, you need.
You need a.
Copy, but I’m so glad that you
have it.
I know you were able to like
access it for this.
I’m so glad to have be able to
take all of those Nuggets of
info from this and share it with
you guys because I feel like
otherwise they’re just sitting
on this Blu-ray that nobody can
find.
Yeah.
One last thing I do want to say
is that the podcast
Hollywoodland, which is I think
a pretty big podcast, they just
happened to recently release a
really good episode on Guncrazy
like.
That’s so weird.
And they even did like this
curated mixtapes of songs that
they felt would have been
inspired by the movie.
So go listen to that.
It’s very short and fun.
But the guy who hosts that was
also just like, this is a cool
movie.
Like this is a really neat,
great movie that more people
need to know about.
And I think you said they said
something like the movie that no
one’s talking about.
Yeah.
And I was like, wait, we’re
talking about it in like a
couple weeks.
I feel like we gotta like send
them a thing like we were
working on this.
I did actually.
The host actually started
following our podcast account,
which was like, oh cool.
That’s really, really cool.
So I said we’d give a shout out.
Oh yeah, yeah, that’s, that’s
cool.
I’ve got to listen to it
because, like, there’s not that
much about this out there.
No, there’s literally I searched
like in Spotify podcast gun
crazy and I think I found two
other things ever discussing it.
So I feel like this is the big
one, guys, this is your jackpot
of Guncrazy info.
Unless you have that Blu-ray,
you’re not going to have all
this info.
Yep.
And a lot of this comes from
like our personal Drew magazine
archive too.
So right, I’m really excited to
do this love letter to this
movie that I’m so glad Drew did.
Yeah, me too, Me too.
And I’ll never stop saying I’m
glad we had an excuse.
To watch it, Yeah, absolutely.
I’ve just like, totally fallen
in love with it again.
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How Do You Drew Episode 129 – Vanity Fair, July 1984
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I’m Anne.
And I’m Ashley and this week we
are discussing a real old
magazine feature.
This is the feature done on a 9
year old Drew in Vanity Fair
magazine, July 1984.
So cool.
Our oldest one that we’ve ever
done, by far.
Yeah, it’s kind of neat to,
like, jump back.
We were just like going into
Drew’s young life talking about
Steven Spielberg.
So we’re just kind of like
staying in this like.
I know I was definitely seeing
some like crossover between last
episode in this episode.
It’s.
Kind of, Yeah.
Yeah.
OK, so we’ve got some things at
the top.
Before we get into the topic,
one of the first things we
wanted to talk about was the
Lena Dunham interview from the
Drew Barrymore Show.
So good.
It was so good.
You know, it’s very unusual for
me to watch ahead of like
whatever airs on Paramount, but
there was like a link that their
shows Instagram did to the
extended YouTube version.
And I happened to have like
random downtime where I was able
to watch it and I’m so glad I
watched it.
That me too cool, everyone needs
to watch it that way.
I haven’t watched the like
edited version on paramount but
why even?
Bother Yeah, no need.
Yeah.
I don’t know how I, I think I
noticed that there was a clip on
like Instagram that like wasn’t
in the show and I was like.
OK.
Where’s the rest?
And then I went to YouTube
specifically looking for it.
And then I watched a couple
other extended ones that were
older because I was like, oh, I
don’t know if I ever watched
this.
Anyways, it was so cool.
They did something really
different where they didn’t have
an audience for this one, which
I thought is so interesting.
That was the.
The third time this season, and
I do wonder, like if it’s a
scheduling thing.
I was thinking.
It is, but man, there were just
so many very interesting moments
in this one.
And like I pulled four small
little clips for Instagram and
how do you do pod that?
I thought like really nicely
correlated to things that we
talk about on the podcast and on
the Patreon.
Like there was like a thing
about Jade Drew’s mom that like
she didn’t even name her, but I
was like, oh, we clocked that
and little girl lost like
pressure on her looking a
certain way.
Anyway, very cool.
I mean, she’s like, I don’t
know, like what your feelings
are on Lena Dunham.
She’s like very disliked on the
Internet.
Very.
But I always think about our
Jolena.
Yeah, I don’t know if you
remember this, but like Jolena
used to do massages and she just
happened to do it in LA and had
a lot of celebrity clients.
And she always said Lena was the
number one best, nicest person
she ever worked on.
So I always like take
everybody’s hate with a little
grain of salt cuz I’m like
Jolena loved her.
I feel like Lena Dunham.
I really like her.
I like her vibe.
The way she like comes off as
very, I don’t know, like
easygoing.
I don’t know.
She seems really cool, but I
kind of get why people are odd
about her.
I don’t know.
Well, she came off great in this
interview, so I’m like, maybe
chilling is on to something.
Yeah, it was really, really
cool.
Yeah.
You want to talk about this next
new old thing?
Speaking of really, really cool,
Oh my God.
So our wonderful friend Renata
at Drew Barrymore Brazil just
discovered on YouTube.
It was only uploaded like a
couple days ago, a 1979 GM auto
Parts commercial starring a tiny
little Drew looking so cute.
She’s reminding me a lot of my
of my toddler here in this.
I wonder if I should play like
the little part where she talks
at the end.
Let me see.
Because it’s like hard to
understand her because she’s so
little too.
And now General Motors dealers
are offering both infant and
child love seats.
Love seats were developed by GM
safety engineers.
They’re strong and comfortable,
right?
Honey, keep that great GMP and
genuine.
GM parts.
My seats for big girls it is.
Kind of amazing to see a car
seat commercial from 1979 that’s
very out of the time.
Surprised.
Yeah, glad to know that.
She looks exactly like she does
in Altered States.
You’re totally correct about
that.
And yeah, this is crazy.
It’s like we’ve discovered a few
new quote UN quote commercials
she did pre ET.
I’m I counted we’re up to 8 now.
And it’s really neat to like
have another one because I
always remember in Biorhythm the
MTV special from 98.1 of the
things that it would say on the
screen was she like auditions
for a shit load of commercials
and books every single one.
But back then we only knew about
like 3, right?
So like me no more, Yeah.
There’s probably like, there’s
Howie Moore hidden out there
because it was like, that was
where her career was for a
little while.
Yeah.
So crazy.
Yeah.
Thank.
Thank you to Drew Barrymore,
Brazil.
Oh my gosh, Renata’s the best.
And we will link to the
commercial on the episode page
if you guys missed it.
Yes, and we just wanted to talk
about our Patreon for a second.
Our daisies over there.
We have a new Daisy who is at
the doozy of Drew level Shannon
so.
Hi.
Hi, Shannon.
And there’s a goodie pack going
out to you very, very soon,
probably by the time you hear
this.
Yes, and Ashley has already put
up this Vanity Fair feature that
we’re talking about in this
episode on our Patreon.
Lovely scans of the feature.
So if you’re not a Daisy yet, go
over there.
Yeah. $1.00 You can look at the
whole feature, the photos, the
article, everything.
Yes, and we are working on the
next chapter of Wildflower
because we are going through the
chapters.
We’re working on Chapter 4, My
Beautiful Launderette, about
Drew moving out when she was a
teenager after she was
emancipated.
So that’s going to be fun.
So it’s going.
To be really fun, we’re pretty
much done with the notes, we
just haven’t recorded yet.
And man, you just know how I
love going on my little
detective hunts and finding a
piece of information.
I was just going to say you
little detective and.
I have something I have been
trying to track down for years.
I nailed it today.
So if you want to know what
that’s all about, go join.
Patreon.
You have to
patreon.com/howdoyoudrew.
Oh, OK, let’s talk about what
Drew has proclaimed her love for
recently.
I love love, OK?
Drew loves a wallpaper.
Of course we know.
Yeah, of course.
I wish I had.
Bought some of her flower
wallpaper.
I know.
She loves a little rebellion.
Totally.
She loves.
A Bruce Valance reference.
Is that the Hollywood Squares
guy?
Yeah, yeah.
She loves the Tom Cruise run.
Oh my God I loved that episode
so much with Chris Lemming.
Yes, Oh my God, that was one of
the best, one of the best
episodes of the whole season.
I love him, please please watch
his special he’s so good.
It’s on my list, so I’m going to
do it.
You have to, OK?
Drew also loves a freshie right
out of the oven.
Piping hot.
What?
Kind of freshie I.
Think food if I.
Remember, she loves to play
memory bank.
On her show, we want to play
that with her.
Can you imagine the photos we
could pull up and just like stun
her with my?
God, my God.
Drew loves a mask.
We know this Darth Vader.
Yes, Drew loves stuffed shells.
Yum.
She loves physical comedy, her
little ham.
Speaking of Chris Fleming.
Yeah, right, She loves weird
random questions.
Oh, we do too.
Great.
She loves crosswords.
Yeah, Yeah.
That’s I’m surprised that hasn’t
come up.
I know same.
I double.
Checked it, she loves memes.
OK.
Leonard Maltin and I was like,
melt.
So if you guys don’t know the
weirdest story about him, should
we like say this right here?
Yeah, sure.
I’ll, I can, I can kind of say
it.
Maybe you’ll remember parts of
it better.
But OK.
So we were looking at a photo on
eBay of John Barrymore and we
were planning on buying it for
Drew for her birthday and we got
outbid.
I think I was buying it.
And so I was able to message the
person who bought it.
Yeah, you used to be able to see
who bought him on eBay.
That’s how long ago this was.
Yes.
And I said to them, I didn’t
know it.
Well anyway, I didn’t know who
it was.
I messaged them and said I
really wanted to give this as a
gift to Drew Barrymore.
You know, this is of her family
and we love doing well,
whatever.
And like right away this person
like agrees to mail the thing to
us.
Didn’t even make you pay right?
I don’t think so.
I don’t think so either.
I think he just.
Yeah.
And then I don’t know when I
figured it out, but it was
Leonard Maltin, guys.
He was collecting this John
Barrymore thing.
And I was like, hey.
I love that he’s on our thank
you page on the Drewseum.
God, that’s such an amazing
weird thing to happen.
So was me saying milk because I
couldn’t remember.
Yeah, name.
Yeah.
So we just started.
Calling him Milk.
Milk.
Anyway, little weird segue.
We have those guys.
We have weird.
We do.
Counters like this.
We do.
And last of all, for now, Drew
loves samosas.
I’m hungry.
Good list.
It is a good list.
OK, so should we get into the
druism of the week?
You know those cool little isms
that we do?
OK, I love this one because it’s
funny, but also because I
manifested it because I think,
like, the day before this, I had
texted you and I was like, I
have a feeling that when Drew’s
done with her show, she’s going
to try Broadway.
Like, I just have this feeling
and you’re like, I can’t see
that.
And then all of a sudden she’s
talking about it.
It was with Laurie Metcalf,
right?
I don’t know, I haven’t seen
that episode.
Oh, OK.
Yeah, it was.
So anyway, she’s talking about
how she was, she is just
terrified to do theater.
And I was like, well, yeah,
exactly.
She loves doing stuff that
scares her.
But the quote was my family does
a rotisserie turn in the grave
every time because I am so
scared of theater because she
comes from this theatrical
acting family.
On the stage.
Yes, the Barrymore Theater.
Yes.
And they are probably all just
going come on girl, let’s go.
I love that you like, like you
said, you kind of manifested it.
I mean, what I do, I’m very
curious if that will be
something that we’ll see Drew
doing.
Oh my God, how cool would it be
to see her performing?
Yeah, we just have to go.
Oh my God, stopping us.
That would be so cool.
Yeah.
OK, Drew, we’re ready for you to
do theater.
Let’s talk about what’s new with
Drew here.
We go with the news, everybody.
This girl, she just is
constantly making us update our
tattoos episode so it looks like
she has a new one.
This is like at airtime, right?
Not airtime at the time of
recording.
We can’t 100% verify, but it
seems this way.
So she has the word grace
written in cursive on her left
arm right next to the word
breathe.
And the tattoo artist Sarah
Corey, who had done Drews 222
tattoo last summer.
She came on to the show to
tattoo Zayn Malik.
It was filmed way back on March
day after we record this.
So OK, you know, you guys are
probably going to be like, yeah,
duh, it’s true.
But so Zane had said in an
interview that he got Drew’s
name tattooed on him.
He’s like, got tons of tattoos.
And she in turn got the meaning
of his name, which is Grace.
And fun fact, my name Anne also
means Grace.
I love that.
So she got my name on her.
That’s really cool.
My name means the one who comes
from the Ash Tree Meadow.
Not really as lovely, but yeah.
So we spotted this on the show.
Like I caught I it caught my eye
during actually it was during
the Chris Fleming interview, but
I thought it was one of her just
like riding on her arms like she
does.
But yeah, she’s like pointed to
it twice without like calling it
out.
But she said like Grace, and you
know she does with her time
tattoo she was points to.
Yeah.
So yeah, I think we’re at tattoo
This is wild.
Cool, she just keeps getting
little mini ones.
On her arms, every time.
But that’s that’s so cool.
I mean, I love that.
Like it’s about spotting it and
then you noticing her pointing
to it.
Like you’re like, oh, it’s
exactly.
It’s a fun little process and
she’s.
Totally telling you without
telling, without actually.
Telling you she’s like winking
at the camera.
Ashley and Anne, I bet she
caught this.
Just kidding.
Hey guys, just a quick editor’s
note to let you know that we
have confirmed that the tattoo
of the word grace is real.
Drew got it on the show.
Like we said with Zayn Malik
though, the tattoo artist was
not Sarah for Drew.
It was actually John Boy who
also did Drew’s sardines tattoo
and her tattoo that says time.
So we wanted to just clarify a
little bit that we got some more
info.
Enjoy the rest of the episode.
Okay, I haven’t sadly watched
any of the newer episodes of
Hollywood Squares, so I’m
behind.
I know I’m behind.
You’ve got a nice little binge
session ahead of you.
Yes, I try to watch them with my
boyfriend so like sometimes it’s
hard for us to align and these
are short so I need to watch
them.
So episode 17 through 19 have
come out so cute and every
single one.
I love her looks on this show.
I know, gosh again, Deb with the
makeup just killing it and Lana
went there.
So many fun looks so good.
We have some bonus around facts.
Do you want me to spoil them for
you?
Yeah, sure, let’s go for it.
All right, the first one is Drew
is certified in plant based
nutrition true or false?
False.
Seems like something she would
do, but yeah.
Her nickname for Cameron Diaz is
Poo Poo.
That’s true, guys.
Yeah, true, true poo poo.
And then, okay, credit to
Hollywood Squares.
This is the very first time they
have officially stumped me where
I did not know if this was true
or false, because this is a
weird one.
Yeah, Drew has a 4.86 star
rating on Wiki feet.
That’s probably true.
Is it true?
It’s true and I had a 5 this.
Picture of I hope it’s out of
five.
Goodness, I love this picture of
her face when when they called
it that it was true and it is.
Correct.
You have to put that in the
episode phase like well.
You like I don’t know what my.
Is this my?
Is it my score on wiki?
Feet.
I didn’t want to go down that
road looking it up, so I just
trust it.
That’s.
That is so fun, guys.
Hollywood Squares.
It’s so fun, so funny.
I’m glad I have a little binge
coming ahead.
Yeah, the number 19 has like so
many funny people in it and I
just love it.
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OK, are we ready to get into
Vanity Fair?
Let’s flip open the pages
because I love paper.
We’re going back in time, guys.
I guess we always are when we’re
doing these, but right now we’re
going back a little bit further.
Further than we ever have before
for a magazine, which is really
interesting.
You know, I think, I don’t know
if it feels like overall there’s
less interest in Drew’s life as
a child then obviously like the
really interesting because I
think it’s so telling of how
she’s been formed to be the
person she is.
There’s a lot in this article
that I was like.
Yeah, there’s some heavy like,
like wording that we can totally
extract.
So yeah, but there’s some fun
stuff too.
Yes.
OK, so the article was written
by Daphne Davis.
Photos were by George Hurrell.
And I’ll let you take the
details about this because I
think this is really cool.
Oh, this is one of the coolest
parts about this whole feature.
So George Hurrell was a very
famous photographer who majorly
contributed to all those glamour
images of Hollywood’s golden age
during the 30s and 40s.
So when you think of like
Hollywood glamour, you’re
probably imagining his photo.
Yes, Like he did a lot of Jean
Harlow, which I, you know, I
love her.
But the really neat part is that
he notably shot the Barrymores,
so Lionel, Ethel, and of course
Drew’s grandfather John.
The article even opens with a
photo of him and Greta Garbo
from Grand Hotel that George
Hurrell shot.
So I.
Wonder how many times like Drew
got to work with?
Someone.
That’s exactly what I was going
to say.
Right, because like, we know
that people would tell her
stories about.
Her.
Family.
But I don’t, I can’t think of
another time we know of them.
Like actually, maybe there’s
another.
Photographer, I don’t know, the
only time I can kind of
remember, I believe there was
somebody who worked on the set
of Bogey, maybe a producer,
maybe the director, I don’t
remember who had also worked
with one of her family members.
But like, you know, we’re
talking like 30-40 years in
between, so.
Long career.
Yeah.
How?
How often is that going to
happen?
So.
Cool.
We’ll definitely include some of
these beautiful photos in the
gallery of Drew’s family that he
took and then like to realize he
took this huge family portrait.
Yeah.
I was like what?
This is amazing.
That’s so cool because I’ve
definitely seen that before.
I feel like we talked about that
chair that Ethel’s being on
looking kind of like the one
that Drew’s odd in riding cars
with boys at the wedding.
I don’t remember talking about
that, but as soon as you say
that chair looks like I knew
where you were, we’re going.
It’s the chair.
Oh, we got so cool.
OK, so a couple more details,
just like kind of credits.
We’ve got hair and makeup by
Alfonso no, who notably did
Charlie’s Angels, Jaclyn Smith
hair and makeup on a few
projects.
So that’s kind of a fun little
connection had to.
Put that in there for our friend
Marcus.
That’s cool styling by the
quote.
I love Ricky UN quote team, who
is Rick Castro and Michi
Tomimatsu?
So that’s that’s kind of the
stuff at the top.
It’s neat to like, I don’t know,
I love Ricky team crack me up.
I noticed.
A little.
I know I love Ricky.
Yeah, it does.
Super 80s.
I had to like, dig deep.
I’m like, can I at least get
these guys names?
Yeah, it is kind of interesting
where Vanity Fair magazine was
at this time.
I was not aware of this until I
was doing the research.
So it had been out of print
since the Great Depression and
then was only just revived for
the March 1983 issue.
So it’s only been back for a
year and a couple of months at
this point.
That’s wild because I feel like
it’s one of those.
Maybe I’m thinking of like
Harper’s Bazaar, but I can like
picture.
Think I’m doing the same issues.
You know.
Yeah, well, there were.
It stopped for a while and it it
was like folded into vogue at
that time.
Interesting.
So I like that.
Yeah, and I thought this was
cool.
I found like a little news
clipping for also from 84 that
was calling it the new sassy
celebrity oriented style of
Vanity Fair.
And it said it was basically
like an upscale, sophisticated
version of People magazine now.
So it’s like, wow, that’s not
where it was before.
And I feel like it is still kind
of that, you know, you think of
like the Hollywood issues and
all those.
So just kind of a neat little
history lesson on vanity.
Fair, I like it.
It’s kind of fun to have those
little like tidbits that are
unrelated like related.
You know, related enough, yes.
OK, before we get into the
photos, I just realized also, is
this the first feature we’ve
done where she’s not on the
cover of the magazine?
No, no.
Oh, we did Vogue 93 and and that
might be it though.
OK.
It’s unusual.
Yes.
So this one, she is not on the
cover.
I don’t remember what the cover
is.
It’s like a model and it’s very
because it’s a July issue.
She’s like in red, white and
blue and she’s doing like a.
Weird post.
I can picture it now.
Suddenly I got I got it in my
head when you said 4th of July.
I’m such a good model that’s.
Exactly.
That’s how I knew.
So these pictures are really
kind of unique.
Like in in two of them
especially, she’s like dressed
like way older than her age, but
in like A and she looks so
serious too, so serious.
Yeah, absolutely.
And the most classic one, of
course, is the first one of her
in, like, this pink long flowing
dress.
And she’s got this feathered
headdress on.
And, you know, I think it is
supposed to evoke this, like,
George Harrell glamour
photography totally vibe, but
she’s very serious in it.
Yeah.
It’s not like the.
I don’t know.
I’m almost like, is she OK?
Like, was she into this?
It’s hard to tell.
Yeah, I think it was probably
direction.
Yeah.
You know, so there’s a quote
from Drew from Allure magazine
in 2013, she said that’s a lot
of look, but it was for Vanity
Fair.
So perfect.
I mean, it’s just sort of
fabulous.
Unfortunately, nowadays I feel
like lots of girls get dressed
up in that way and it gets out
that weird pageantry thing.
Which like it’s like borderline
there with this.
I have so many things to say
about just like the way the
press was about child actresses.
I mean, we can all go on and on
in a little bit, but absolutely,
it’s a really cool photo.
It’s very, I feel like pretty
iconic, I would say from her
childhood.
It’s neat.
And it’s such like you take such
a pivot when you flip the page
and you get one of her where she
does look like a little girl and
she’s smiling and has like a
little pink hat on.
And that one, she feels her age,
feels like a nine year old
there.
Yeah.
And then like followed by
another sort of serious of Drew
wearing this like seeked wind
gold and black dress, looking in
a mirror and serious again.
But like there also like her
body suddenly looks like a
teenager or something.
Yeah, it’s like got this weird,
like femme fatale, like noir
vibes.
Yeah.
I mean, it’s definitely a
little, it’s a little like right
there on the line of like, is
this cute or is this weird?
I think it’s really cool.
I mean, I, I don’t remember when
I got this in my collecting, but
it feels like one of those like
it’s common enough to not be
like that scarce, but like it’s
also a really cool unique thing.
Like, I don’t know.
Curious how many people
listening are not familiar with
this and it might be like a new
thing for them to see.
So that’ll be cool.
Yeah.
Always, always, always.
Guys, we have an episode page on
how do you drew.com and there
will be all the photos for you
to go see.
Yes, absolutely.
One more thing about that golden
black dress.
Weirdly, this dress.
Did I find it or were we
together?
I think.
You found it first.
Yeah, so I went to a shop in
Burbank, CA called It’s a Wrap
and they sell clothes that were
used on like productions.
I think it’s usually like, you
know, like usually TV, Yeah,
yeah.
I was trying to think of like
whatever, like what’s the like
daytime TV anyway?
Soap operas soap.
Operas like I feel it’s like a
lot of soap opera clothes.
Anyway, on the wall they have a
framed dress.
It’s this dress, weirdly, with a
picture of the magazine next to
it.
I tried.
Yeah, we’ve like asked them
about it.
Yeah, I’ve reached out.
I’ve like gotten like sort of
vague responses like, well, why
do you want it?
Or like something weird like
that.
And like, I’ll reply and not
hear back.
This is a good reminder to maybe
try again because like, I’m
wondering what they would even
want to sell it for.
It’s like way high up on the
wall.
It’s hard to see like the only
picture we have of it is kind of
shitty.
Do we know it’s still there?
I was there.
It was soon after Elle was born,
so within the last three years,
and it was still there, OK, But
I was like with a big group of
people and we’re kind of rushing
through, so I didn’t like have
the time.
Stop and I.
Should have like.
Looking back I’m like.
Fuck it, I should have just.
Grabbed somebody and been like,
can I buy that?
How much?
Let’s go?
But I was like dealing with a
baby.
And I know you’ve had it up for
I know, right?
Anyway, just a cool little
tidbit about that.
So random.
So random.
There are 4 outtakes from this
that we’ve seen and they are all
printed in this magazine called
Revista from January 1986, which
is weird.
It’s like so much time later.
Is it like a foreign magazine?
Yeah, I don’t know.
I don’t want to get it wrong and
say it what country it’s from.
I almost want to say Spain, but
I have a copy of it which is
cool.
So there are 4 pictures, the one
that’s like on the balcony.
So it looks like this whole
shoot was just done in a hotel
room to me.
Like, the one in the mirror also
looks like a hotel.
Totally.
Yeah.
But yeah, there’s one of her,
like, on the balcony.
And, like, she’s still wearing
that feathered headdress.
And she has, like, a little
bathing suit and, like, a
glamorous mirror.
And again, it’s like, it’s so
cute.
But it’s also like, is this
weird?
I don’t know.
That 1 is really funny.
That outtake on the balcony?
Yeah, Like it?
Yeah, it seems.
I don’t know, Goofy.
It does.
In my research, I discovered
that USC in there, like
archives, has a contact sheet of
negatives from this.
Yeah.
So I reached out to them.
I emailed to see if we could
like get a scan because you have
to like make an appointment to
view this collection.
And the last time I tried this,
it was it worked out great, but
this time haven’t heard anything
back.
So that would be incredible to
see.
I I think you probably will.
If not, maybe I can get like
maybe I have someone through my
connections that knows AUSC.
That’s what I was going to say.
I’m like, I should have just
left it to you because you
probably would have phrased it
like.
No, no, no, I’m sure.
Whatever.
I’m sure.
Whatever you requested, I hope
that they can share it.
Oh, that’s so cool.
Yeah.
So we’re trying, yeah.
But yeah, the pictures are
really unique, guys.
You have to check them out.
Like the article’s also really
fun.
We’ll get into some fun stuff,
but so the photos are neat,
really neat.
I mean, working with someone
from that era of her family,
it’s just very, very special.
That they like talked about her
family.
Yeah, You know, when we play
memory bank with Drew, we’ll
bring up these photos, the
outtakes she hasn’t seen
probably ever.
I will say, what do you remember
about working with George
Harrell?
There we go.
Well, write it down.
OK, so I’m ready to get into
this article.
Yes, I am.
I have.
I had a lot of like little
sidebars from this because it’s
a short one, but I was like, no,
there’s enough here.
This is going to be this is
going to be good.
Yes.
So it starts out calling Drew
the last of the Barrymores, and
this is what it says.
That’s actually kind of scary
creepy.
At the last.
I don’t know.
So then it says she’s uncannily
cute, she’s spookily smart,a and
now she’s a flaming star.
Drew Barrymore, John’s
granddaughter, gets the full
Hollywood treatment from
photographer George Harrell and
an ice cream soda from reporter
Daphne Davis.
Thank.
You.
Yeah.
And like I said, it has this
photo of John Barrymore and
Greta Garbo.
And it starts the article starts
with a quote that’s supposedly
by John Barrymore.
I don’t.
I wasn’t able to, like, verify
this.
Yeah, but I love this quote.
It sounds like something he’d
say.
If you sit in front of the
camera long enough, it will show
you not only what you had for
breakfast, but who your
ancestors were.
So I hope that’s.
True, I like that quote for
this.
Yeah, the very more profile.
When are we going to get that on
the sound bar?
Hugos Yeah, that’s true.
We really do need that Hugos.
What the hell I’m supposed to be
looking at I?
Don’t know, the author says.
When Drew came on screen and I
needed to use ET, the Barrymore
tradition was reborn.
It’s lovely.
It’s a lovely thing to say.
Her father had kind of killed
it.
And then there’s a little brief
recap.
Of course there had to be with
them going on and on about the
Barrymore is there’s a recap of
John, Ethel and Lionel and their
theatrical family.
Turning in the rotisserie, turn
in the grave.
Because Drew’s not on theater.
And then here’s another quote.
It says 9 year old Drew their
photogenically dazzling
descendant is currently being
touted as Hollywood’s first
child actress possessed of
instinctual.
Superstar quality.
So yeah, this is I was like,
this article really is laying it
on thick with like this
expectations of her to be this
tremendous talent and superstar
and like, yeah, it’s kind of
wild.
Like I’m, I just look at this,
I’m like, how did she not feel
incredible pressure?
Totally.
You’re carrying on this grand
acting tradition.
You’re the first child actress
who has ever been a superstar,
which is like blatantly untrue.
It’s.
Insane, but yeah, it is.
It you’re laying it on thick is
a good description, yeah.
And it goes on to state how
directors and cameramen and
producers, etcetera all rave
about her abilities, which I
which I’m sure is true.
Yeah.
And it says and her mesmerizing
gaze, which telegraphs a desire
to be loved.
At the same time it bores holes
into viewers hearts.
And again, I was just like, oh,
that’s so true.
A desire to be loved.
I know that’s so like insightful
for this person who wrote this
Daphne to have picked up on.
Yeah.
Totally.
And it says that after ET came
out, Drew received almost as
much fan mail as ET himself.
That’s cute.
That’s really cute.
OK.
Then it goes on to talk about
Drew’s mom.
We always love little, you know,
Pastu.
So Drew’s mom, it says Ildeko
Jade.
She was still using that name,
forbids her daughter to study
acting for fear she might turn
out like Jodie Foster and quote
everyone who’s studying acting
at Yale.
And this, I guess, caused, like,
some drama.
I love this.
Yeah, I had very randomly come
across this recently, so it was
in my brain.
I was like, wait, there was like
some pushback after this
happened.
So Jade apparently had to be
like, no, no, no, Vanity Fair
put in that example of Jodie
Foster, and this is going to
jeopardize the close friendship
that we have with the Fosters.
And there was a phone call made
and it was all strained out and
everyone’s friends again, just
like, Oh my God.
Like I’ve never heard of Drew
being friends with Jodie
Foster’s mom.
No, her like, I don’t know that
that’s even true, but I could
see Jade.
Funny that there’s a follow up,
yeah?
Can’t you see her being savvy
enough to be like, oh shit, I
don’t want yeah, it sound like
I’m making enemies here.
Totally.
And I guess Steven Spielberg
agrees that Drew shouldn’t take
acting lessons.
You totally flagged this part,
it says.
Rumors abound that almost
billionaire bachelor Spielberg
is waiting for his leading lady
to grow up so he can propose.
So inappropriate.
Actual fuck I I must have read
that like 3 times like is this
saying what I think?
Hi.
Steven, I love you.
How dare you turn that into
something so gross.
And like, there is this other
article I recently found from
the same year, 84.
She’s a nine year old.
And the male writer framed the
whole thing as if they were on a
date and he had such a crush on
her and she was letting him
down.
And it’s so just like,
disgusting that this was like,
why are we even putting this on
a 9 year old in any way, shape
or form?
And then I think about like, the
People magazine slipping from
the following year that it’s
like, oh, she’s dating both of
Sophia Loren’s sons.
It’s like, she’s 10, what are we
doing?
There’s a problem here.
Anyway, I’m sure it’s not just
her.
You know, it’s like, no, no, no.
It’s like it was.
There’s a there’s a weird
comment about Brooke Shields in
a minute here, right?
Yeah.
It’s just like, I’m so glad that
this doesn’t seem to happen so
flagrantly anymore.
Right, it’s just so.
Fucking weird.
Yes, a CEO of a major studio is
quoted as saying.
She will be bigger than Tatum
O’Neill and better than Meryl
Streep.
God again, the president just.
Yeah, and you noted that the
quote was misattributed to
Steven Spielberg in some
research that you did.
Yeah, I was like, wait, I just
read that quote.
It’s not Steven, and I think
it’s the way it’s in the article
almost like flows.
It almost seems like it was
confusing at first.
Totally.
And then it says the CEO was
trying to get drew into a three
picture $5,000,000 deal.
Oh my gosh, yeah. 1984 like.
Yeah, you’re right, $5 million
back then.
Yeah, now it’s like 2 houses.
So then there are these, like I
said, these really weird and
pretty mean comparisons to
Brooke Shields.
I’m not going to read them
because I was like, this is so,
like, disrespectful to Brooke
Shields.
Yeah, but, yeah, very rude.
And then it says Barrymore is a
born and bred Tinseltown queen
with a mind sharp enough to run
an international cartel founded
upon her image.
It’s like, OK, can’t argue with
that, Barrymore Brands.
Totally Speaking of very more
brands.
Nobody love this.
It says that at the time, there
were plans to license a
fragrance called Drew, along
with the line of dresses and
maybe a doll.
Like, Can you imagine?
That would be so cool.
All of those things would be so
cool to see so.
Cool.
But also, like, I’m glad for the
child of Drew that this did not
happen.
Like, right.
It’s already weird enough that
she, like, had her face on all
this, like ET memorabilia that
like, I’m sure she made no money
off of.
There was definitely a part in
that child star documentary that
Demi Lovato did where that came
up, like the licensing of your
image.
Maybe it.
Yeah, it might have been with
JoJo Siwa, but it’s strange.
Like this could have definitely
happened and the collector in me
is like, wow, think about how
cool that would have been to
have those pieces.
But I’m.
Not thinking about more pressure
being on Drew and more like you
know she was already teased at
school and they’re let alone
having like a doll of you.
Oh my God, great .0 Gosh.
Now, let’s talk about
Firestarter a little bit.
It was released in May of 1984,
so literally about to come out.
It says that Drew, when she saw
the paper back in the
supermarket, she told her mom to
get her the part, like insisted
there’s a couple like, versions
of the story.
Another source said that when
she saw the book, she said,
that’s me, I’m Charlie McGee,
which is cute.
Yeah.
And then in Little Girl Law, she
says that the script, when the
script thing came through, that
she liked it immediately.
So it seems more likely, like, I
could see her.
I could see her remembering
seeing the Firestarter paperback
and, like, left in the cover.
But I don’t think she told her
mom.
Like, let’s get this going.
Let’s tell Hollywood we’re
making this movie, right?
Yeah, So she demonstrates for
the writer her technique of eye
acting that she used to convey
that she was starting fires with
her mind.
And I love this, it says.
Basically, this boils down to
the same demonic stare that John
and Ethel used to transfix
audiences.
I love that too.
And the writer claims that Betty
Davis borrowed this technique
from Ethel, but I wasn’t able to
find anything to back that.
Interesting.
I know and they just.
Pulled that out of their butt.
Or is that true?
I mean, I love to think that
it’s true.
I mean, you know, I like that
idea.
The 80s like predates the
Internet.
A lot of the stuff that could
have been said back then maybe
didn’t get transcribed
somewhere.
Yeah.
So the author meets up with Jade
and Drew at Drew’s Saturday
morning Jazz rock tap class.
So cute.
And Anthony Newley’s daughter
Shelby is also in the class with
her.
You made a note.
This is a famous actor,
composer.
I didn’t know that.
But then he’s also.
This is like, it’s just like
more of the weird stuff in the
house, more of the.
Weird way she was treated as a
child because I was like God
when I googled him I’m like he
looks so familiar.
Is he this guy?
Is he so I look it up.
He is.
So we had talked about this an
episode a long time ago, but
there is this weird like Screen
Actors Guild anniversary special
in the same year as this 84.
And she does this like song and
dance with this guy.
And of course it’s one of these
examples again with an old dude
kissing her face and being weird
with her face.
And I just hate it.
Even this picture here, he’s
kissing her hand.
Like why?
Like maybe they knew each other
because of this dance class
connection, but I just, I just
don’t like it.
I don’t like it gives you the
the.
Creeps, yeah.
Drew was wearing a black leotard
and a red mini skirt and dances
to footloose at her dance.
Class so 80s so 80s.
And then it says they went to
the Beverly Center and Drew goes
shopping at the Sanrio store and
gets a pale pastel Hello Kitty
wallet and some stationery.
And then they followed that up
with a snack and some soda at
the Hard Rock Cafe.
Again, the 80s continue.
What an afternoon I.
Know it’s so fun so this is kind
of wild.
This is the articles first and
only direct quote from Drew
Yeah, which I was like what like
I finished the article and then
I was like wait, there are no
other quotes directly from her
which right it’s very weird but
a little bit OK so the quote is
first let me tell you that I
will always act in movies and be
the best actress that I can and
then it says that she’s speaking
in like an imitation of her
mother’s style of manager speak
so very interesting and then she
goes on and says when I grow up
I’m going to get 2° one each in
producing and directing and I
also want to be known as a
dancer.
I’m writing a screenplay called
Kim.
It’s a serious comedy about a
little girl and her mother.
I can’t tell you what it’s about
that’s a secret, but I’m going
to play the mother full of
ideas.
I love it.
I want to be an actress.
I know a series, a writer, an
actress.
Yeah.
Also, it’s very interesting and
telling that she’s writing a
screenplay about a little girl
and her mother.
You know, it’s like, I feel like
she would say this is her karma
in life, right?
Like working through daughters
and mothers.
It’s like it started all the way
back here.
She.
Was writing a screen.
That’s adorable.
Oh my God.
Drew signed some autographs and
plays video games while the
writer talks to Jade about
Drew’s career plans.
So we get a little bit into, of
course, there’s plans with
manager mom.
Irreconcilable Differences was
to be released in September, so
that was coming up at
Firestarter.
Reconcilable Differences and
Jade said Drew really wants to
remake wants to do a remake of
Captain Courageous, which Lionel
and Spencer Tracy appeared in
with her in the Little Boys
role.
Yeah, not like I immediately was
like, oh, she’s definitely
talked about that movie.
And I just did a search in our,
like, archives and I found so
many articles where she brought
it up as loving it.
So that’s pretty cool.
And I was also just thinking
like how she played a little boy
in Suddenly Love.
Yeah, she’s like, really want to
stretch my skills.
Yep, Yep, as a child.
So I’m going to take this
because I’m like very familiar
with this.
So Jaden also mentions that Drew
was scheduled to shoot Alice in
Wonderland in England in the
fall.
So this was the 1985 TV movie.
It’s a two-part miniseries kind
of thing produced by Irwin
Allen.
I don’t know if you’re familiar
with it.
I watched this all the time
growing up.
I love it.
It’s you’ll see it on Instagram
a lot in clips because it’s so
wacky, creepy, weird.
And like, I those things didn’t
bother me as a child for some
reason.
Yeah.
But it’s like very much a part
of my childhood.
And I’ve talked about it before
on here because I’m always like,
oh, if Drew had done it, like,
my interest in her would have
come about so much earlier, you
know?
Yeah.
So.
Weird to think about.
And the part of Ellis was recast
with Natalie Gregory, and she is
only a few months younger than
Drew.
But the Irwin Allen, the
producer, he was quoted a couple
times back then as saying that
he had, you know, Drew was the
first part, first choice for the
part, but she had turned into a
young lady and was just really
too big.
It’s just like, and he also
said, like it was important to
me that Alice be played by a
youngster not more than 8 or 9.
And of course, Drew was like
barely 10.
So I mean, I wouldn’t pulled a
picture when production actually
began, which was March 85.
And she does look quite a bit
older here than she had the
previous year.
So I see like maybe where
they’re coming from.
But it also just like kind of
breaks my heart because this is
like, I mean, she just talked
about this at being this age, 10
years old and hearing like
you’re too heavy, you’re too
old, you’re not cute enough
anymore.
And it’s like, this is probably
one of those examples where she
got like fired from a job
because of it.
It’s.
Crazy.
Yeah.
Like you’re too old now.
Yeah, you’re too big.
What do they call it?
Your old, old hat.
Is that what they say?
Yeah, Drew.
‘S an old hat.
She wants an old chair, but
she’s an old hat.
And this is like months after
this article that’s talking
about how she’s the biggest
superstar in the world.
You know, it’s like.
God, not immune to.
It’s so fickle.
Yeah, that would have been so
cool she had done that.
But yeah, that’s such like,
again, her life would have been
totally different.
Yeah.
Next we had to their brand new 2
bedroom house with a pool and
sauna in Sherman Oaks.
We shared in our Wildflower
Chapter 1 episode on Patreon
that this house is on Ethel Ave.
It was purchased in March 1984.
So like.
Just purchased.
Just purchased, yeah.
Like brand brand new.
But you should listen to the
episode because we have some
more kind of fun details about
the purchase and the sale of the
house that, like Ashley, did
some detective work to figure
out.
Yeah, I wrote eyebrow raising
because they are sort of
interesting in details.
So again, guys, Patreon is where
you get the real dirt.
Yes, yes.
Jade gushes about Drew.
She says.
Steven Spielberg once told me
that my daughter is an old soul
and I have to agree with him.
One minute Drew is a playful 9
year old talking to her dolls
and stuffed animals, and the
next she’s 29 or an old woman of
I mean, this is one of the
things she was talking about
with Lena Dunham, where I was
like, Yep, this is what we
always say.
Like she’s like, she says like,
I’m old, young.
Like I’ve never felt like an age
that makes sense.
And it’s true.
It’s true.
It doesn’t make sense.
Drew confirms that that was her
idea to act and her mom did not
push her into it.
That’s always the narrative that
she was like, I want to do it.
I want to be an actress.
Go take a nap.
Take a nappy.
There’s a little paragraph about
Drew’s dad.
He’s called a recluse living in
the Hollywood Hills and a couple
fuzzy details about their
marriage, quote UN quote.
It’s still kind of unclear.
I get we’ve seen some records,
but it’s still really weird.
Yeah.
I mean, the records we’ve seen,
we’ve mentioned this before, it
looks like they did not actually
get married until 1983, which
makes zero sense.
And one day maybe we’ll get to
the bottom of it.
But it’s a wild thing to know.
Totally.
And Jade, one more thing that I
feel like is also like the
pressure, right?
She said.
I knew when I was pregnant with
Drew that she was magic.
I mean, she is, but.
It’s true.
She’s also.
So we get just one final
paragraph that sums up what
Drews sort of normal life is
like.
So she takes 2 ballet classes
and a karate class during the
school week.
She likes shopping on Saturdays
and visiting Steven Spielberg’s
Malibu beach house on Sundays,
which is so fun.
That came up in our last
episode.
And she loves to do imitations
for her friends, including
Charlie Chaplin, Judy Garland,
Cyndi Lauper and Faye Dunaway as
Joan Crawford.
And she apparently goes on to do
the no more wire hanger scene
from Mommy Dearest for the
writer.
We know Drew loves this.
We know she did it on SNL in
So it’s just like her thing.
Yeah.
All right.
So this is this the very end.
This is the very end of the
article, it says.
Unconsciously, she slips the
right tone of smug 1980s camp
humor into the punchline, as
though she were performing at a
comedy club on Saturday Night
Live or in the movie that plays
uncontrollably 24 hours a day in
her head.
That just made me think of that,
like, was it Cafe Largo where
she comes and does like this?
Funny.
Little Yeah, I think it was.
Like a stand up comedy act about
her family and and we’re like
blown away by how funny it was.
Yes, that was really funny.
Was it like 919289?
Was it really?
Yeah, yeah.
It’s crazy.
She’s so young.
So funny.
She definitely had some amazing
skills and talent as a child,
but like, just this, like she is
the next coming is just so
crazy.
And then it’s like, you know,
almost immediately her career
starts kind of downsliding.
And oh true, you are so
resilient and amazing.
Totally, and I feel like I want
us to do more older articles.
This is making me want to like
kind of, I don’t know, see how
that narrative changes.
I mean, obviously if we go to
anything that’s like closer to
like think like, I don’t know,
her having issues, those get
interesting in different ways.
Yeah.
You know, I’ve been doing not
only transcribing like the
physical articles that we own in
our collection, but also like
going on to newspapers.com and
doing searches.
And like, I mean, I just found a
very interesting one that I
texted to you from 86 where
she’s saying, like, I would
never do drugs.
And my friends and I like to act
younger than we are.
And it’s just like, you know,
just kind of kind of
heartbreaking.
But yeah, there’s, there’s just
so much.
What a life to track.
That’s why we do this.
Totally.
And also, I was just thinking
about, like, we were just
talking about how she’s like a
ham.
Like, I forget why.
We were talking about, like, her
as a little girl, like coming in
the room and like, yeah, you
know, dancing around.
And I’m like her doing like
these impressions, like Charlie
Chaplin, you know, all these
things.
It’s just just like everybody,
like I just want everyone to be
happy.
Yeah, I want everyone to adore
me.
And yeah.
No pressure.
No, I know all little Drew.
Yeah, this is a fun like little
departure for us, although like
I said it when it pairs.
Well, with I know.
The previous episode.
It always ends up happening,
right?
Yeah.
I mean, I’m sure it’s like,
because we have a natural like
our interest sort of like, like
weave and, you know, back and
forth and yeah, going back to
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It’s been a while.
What’s the last piece of fruit
you ate?
You know I’m laughing because
they’re always about food,
right?
I forgot because it’s been so
long.
I bet you can guess.
Do you want to guess?
Is it an apple?
Yep, a Granny Smith apple do you
have?
An apple every day.
Pretty much.
That’s adorable.
What about you?
I feel like the last piece of
fruit I ate was in a smoothie.
I made a smoothie yesterday that
had mango, strawberry and
banana.
Oh yeah.
But I don’t need enough fruit.
Yeah, I really I could always
use a little more too in my
life.
We have main blueberries in the
freezer right now, which makes
me think of you.
But also, I think my blueberries
right now are from like Peru or
something.
Like what the hell?
I need to like go back to the
store and be like here are my
local blueberries.
Like my local store, like.
They literally really like get
it from a local farm at a
certain time before and it’s in
like a different kind of
container.
That’s so cool.
You have main blueberries and I
don’t what the heck.
All right, food departure and
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And actually I like how in our
intro we were saying personal
life and professional career.
This is like exactly where those
things cross.
Yes, the Venn diagram Steven
Spielberg is right there in the
middle.
Yes, exactly.
So we have a lot of like
assorted things at the top, like
a an exciting intro.
We get into things.
So let’s jump into a couple
things at the top.
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I did want to say a little hello
to our newest Patreon member.
So she is at the $5 level and
we’re kind of playing around
with the idea of calling
everyone on the Patreon our
daisies.
What do you guys think?
I think it’s.
Really.
I was thinking like Howdy’s for
a second but I’m like no that
sounds way too western.
The Howdy doodies.
The Howdy doodies.
So, our new Daisy.
Yes, back to what I was saying,
our new Daisy, Tina Lee, thank
you so much for joining us.
And Tina, if we hear back from
you with an address, we’re going
to be sending you a nice big
package of Drew goodies.
We actually just sent a second
package to one of our biggest
supporters over there, Scott,
and he just got it yesterday and
was excited.
So we’ll keep sending them to
you guys if you stay at that $5
level because we have so many
extras that we can send your way
duplicate things that so many
space and we’d rather share them
with you guys.
Yes, I’ve got just like piles
and piles.
Piles.
Of double S, as I call them.
Yeah, magazines.
Like I probably have a tub of
full magazines.
Wow, that’s a funny I want to
share this.
With we want to share this with
people.
Yeah, we need to send some of
those out.
Also on our Patreon, just as a
little heads up, our newest
exclusive episode over there,
which covers the Joshua Tree
chapter of Drew’s book
Wildflower, and it’s all about
Drew’s relationship with her
biological dad.
Very like, interesting.
I didn’t realize we synchronized
these two episodes.
I didn’t either, Ashley.
So funny, we should have saved
these all for Father’s Day.
Anyway, that is out now, and
there’s also a corresponding
gallery of some rare photos,
photos that relate to the
chapter.
So get on over there.
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Yes, so thank you, Tina for
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sorry, I know you just
heard that.
Actually, I’m not apologizing.
You never get too much of the
Jingle that we didn’t create
intentionally.
It was just us being goofballs
and it just worked.
It worked, guys.
OK, so I feel like this just
happened.
Was it our last episode that we
were talking about the last one?
So yes.
Ashley was able to spot another
one of the gifts that we gave to
Drew in her home that’s
currently for sale.
So there were some more pictures
released by a real estate agent
or something and.
Yeah, this one is.
So this one’s especially
exciting and validating to me.
So this was also on the home, on
the wall of her home in Los
Angeles or former home person
Terrace.
We have a whole episode about
that if you guys want to hear.
So this picture was also on the
wall there.
Yeah, but this one’s really
special because we did not give
this to her in person.
Do you remember that?
Is this one of the ones we like
handed off to someone at her
desk?
Not even.
We mailed this one and Chris
Miller made sure it got to her
and like, it’s just extra.
Like, hell yeah.
Like we didn’t even get to like,
be sure she received it and it’s
just like double.
But we should describe it.
OK.
Yes, Yeah.
So.
I’ll, I’ll describe it a little
bit because I’m the one who like
kind of put it together.
So I’ve gotten this magazine,
it’s from like the 1930s or
something that has a basically
Barrymore family tree, like a
Drew and Barrymore family tree.
Literally, says Drew Dash
Barrymore, which is just so cool
because it is the Drews and the
Barrymore.
And this is like 40 something
years before Drew was born
there.
So this is her family’s like
it’s literally like a family
tree that has like several
generations.
It’s really cool.
So I like scanned it, copied it
like got a print of them side by
side because it was like a
magazine and I still have that
that’s.
Right.
Yeah, And, and I framed it when
I was still working at
Michael’s.
I recognized the frame.
I remember doing it like after
you said we shipped it.
I’m like, oh I remember
packaging this actually.
Too, I was with you for some
reason.
We were together when we did it
and I was like reading our like
card that we wrote to her.
So not only was it for her
birthday, but she just won the
Golden Globe in 2010.
So we also, like, referenced
like her recent accolades and
how we were so proud and yeah,
it’s really neat.
So now I’m like extra like, oh,
like, and this was her 35th
birthday and the other one was
from our 50th.
So it’s just crazy.
It’s cool that we’ve like been
doing this for a while until
like, and we love the idea that
she’s able to appreciate
something that we gifted to her
in her like home space.
It’s like it’s really special
that we want things to touch her
in that way.
Yeah, so once again, we already
like gushed about a last episode
with the other one, but this is
just freaking cool you.
Guys, we’ll never get over it.
It’s it’s so neat.
Like Drew, we love you.
The last little thing I just
wanted to say, and the audio
wasn’t very good cuz she’s like
hugging an audience member when
this happens.
OK.
But there was an audience member
who told Drew that she was a
light in this world.
And as Drew was hugging her, she
said, if I’m light, then I’m
probably just a reflection of
you.
That is such a drew.
Thing to say, I mean, and we
just love the drinking game of,
you know, take a drink every
time someone just says that
Drew’s a light.
So that one was just like, I
just, I don’t know, take take
like extra drinks.
She’s always reflecting off
people and she loves being
there, loves being around
people.
Drew is like a light demon.
I guess.
Something like that, something
like that.
Let’s get to a lighter subject.
Tell me some things that Drew
has proclaimed her love for
recently.
I love, love.
It’s funny how these go in
waves.
Like last week we had three.
This time there’s a whole shit
load.
So here we go.
I love it, Drew.
Loves organization.
She loves black beans.
We do too.
Yeah, I knew we were both going
to be into that way.
She loves chores.
That’s cute.
She loves cleanliness that goes
right hand in hand.
Yep, she loves 711, which I
think is fun because I
definitely remember some article
from the early 90s her talking
about like playing pinball at
Oh, that’s funny.
Yeah, pinball machine.
OK, so she also loves bell
Peppers.
I can I go back and forth on
bell Peppers?
She’s like, eat it like an
apple, which is crazy.
They I can’t do that.
But I do like them cooked.
OK?
Drew loves competing.
She loves Capricorns.
Hey, what’s up?
I I actually had to write down
what she said.
She said they’re good people.
I’m like, thanks, Drew, I know
you’re talking about me.
She loves Jamaica.
OK, she loves carrots.
Cottage cheese with pepper.
I haven’t tried that but I’m
intrigued.
She loves deviled eggs.
Double no thanks.
I love them both.
She loves mint.
Now I’m back on board.
And she loves the back roads.
Cute.
Isn’t you talking about like Rd.
trips in that?
Yeah, not taking like the
highways and the freeways, yeah.
That’s fun.
OK, we’ve got a Drewism for the
week.
Tell me all about that.
You know, those cool little isms
that we do OK, this.
I just thought this was really
cute.
It’s not as like gross or like,
as, you know, doesn’t put a
picture in your mind and quite
the same way.
But I thought it was cute.
So she was eating Demi Lovato
spicy pasta and she said,
there’s a tiny dancer on my
tongue right now.
And her name is Pepper.
And I think that puts an image
in your mind.
OK, OK.
Yeah, it does.
Like I’m, you know, I had to
like, picture a tiny dancer on
my tongue.
Like the dancing emoji in the
red dress?
It’s like woo.
Exactly.
That’s Pepper from now on.
It’s Pepper.
Yes, that’s that’s the name of
that emoji.
Officially, we should let Apple
know or you know, whoever’s in
charge of that.
Let’s go back in time and you
can tell me about this week and
drew history.
OK, this is kind of one of those
funny ones where I’m like, it’s
very recent, even though it’s
not, but I had a reason for
picking this because it’s kind
of cool.
So this is April 14th, 2011.
Drew attended the Mocha, their
artist opening of the exhibit
Art in the Streets, which was at
the museum’s Geffen Contemporary
location in downtown LA.
Remember that for a second?
Yes.
So this was cool because she
debuted her brain brand new dark
red hair just the night before
at a different event.
So it’s like this is like a
brand new hair color and she’s
being photographed 2 days in a
row like we were living the
dream back then.
Yeah, it looks so great.
It’s such a great color on her.
And she just looks freaking
cool.
I was just going to say the
whole look is really great.
Yeah, she was just like in AI.
Don’t know how to describe it.
Just kind of this like rocker
vibe look.
Like, she’s got, like, looks
like a long earring.
That’s a feather maybe.
Yeah.
Like, oh.
I definitely had one like that
too that I caught.
The like bag with the tassels.
I’m not even like I I love like
the simplicity of the outfit.
And then there’s just like great
accessories like.
Yeah.
And her jeans are kind of like
tie dyed.
It’s interesting.
It’s definitely like not the
style that we normally associate
with this time period because
she’s here.
She looks.
Cool.
Yeah, she looks so cool.
And she’s here with her new
boyfriend, Will Kopelman.
So this is obviously before
where they got married and.
Before they had children.
Only been dating for a couple
months and we usually think of
her as like trying to be very
Chanel sophisticated.
Yeah, during that relationship,
But at this time, she still
looks like a little badass.
Another notable thing is that
she was pictured there with the
artist Shepard Fairey, and I
have a feeling they were already
in talks and collaborating
because he would go on to design
the Barrymore Wines label when
it debuted the following year.
And that’s that really cool.
Like, he took, like, the
Barrymore family Crest and,
like, made it into something.
Yeah, his style for the label.
It’s a great, it was a great
label.
I have it still on my like wine
holder, like right inside my
front door and I see it every
day and I just, I love it.
I love how it looks.
Never going to open that one.
That’s so cool.
We’re so lucky that we like had
that.
Like that was part of our like
collecting experience too.
Another really cool thing that
happened to this.
Yeah.
And of course that we, I love
that connection.
I’m sure that’s why you’re like,
this is so cool.
There’s so many like, little
things that come out of these
Drew histories, right?
Yeah, well, there’s one more.
So like I said, remember the
location because two years after
this, she collaborated with the
Mocha and showed her photographs
at an event at this location and
we were there.
She wasn’t.
She was super pregnant.
She was super pregnant.
We, I think she was like, maybe
gonna possibly be there.
Yeah.
And Chris Miller came and he
told us that she had just filmed
the Essentials for TCM and like
she was too tired or it was just
too much.
So it was like a little bit of a
like let down that she wasn’t
there, but it was still so cool.
We got it was neat and her
photos like they were projected.
Right.
Do we have those on our website
somewhere?
Yeah, on our photography page.
So if you guys want to check
that out, it’s just the
drewzium.com/photography.
And Anne, luckily, like, stood
there and got a picture of every
single one.
I think there’s a great one of
her dad.
Maybe there is.
Holy shit I forgot about that.
We totally should have included
that in our Joshua Tree
coverage.
Well, it’s not too late.
Maybe we’ll put the picture of
us with with Chris Miller at
that thing.
Yeah, in the episode.
Gallery.
Yeah, cuz why not?
Absolutely.
I think it was taken by his
partner at the time, right
David?
David yeah, like took some of
drew pictures.
I remember us seeing a Drew be
there too.
Misty.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
OK.
It was, wasn’t it?
It was it.
Was this is going to be a very
short segment Before we get into
the weekly topic, tell me what’s
new with Drew?
Here we go with the news,
everybody.
How is there so little?
I’m like, this is it, This is
all I got.
OK, well, this is just like
speculation, but it kind of
looks like the final day of
filming for The Drew Barrymore
Show Season 6, maybe May 6th.
That’s the last date that’s
currently available for audience
tickets.
And there’s like a weird two
week gap between April 16th and
May 5th.
So I don’t know if they just
like quickly added two more days
to just like, finish things up.
I don’t know how all that works,
but we’re getting towards the
end and it’s been a weird
season.
Yeah, there’s definitely been
some things about it that we’ve
noticed that are different.
And I’m definitely looking
forward to seeing what Season 7
feels like.
Yes, I’m hoping that more of
Drew is in the Drew Barrymore
Show in the following seasons.
More Barrymore.
We like the others.
We do, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
But I’m usually like, I’m in it
for Drew, so I’m going to the
episodes and I’m like a cooking
segment.
OK, I’m going to skip this
whole.
Part Yep.
Same.
Yep.
Sorry.
But we love the show, obviously
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Still love the show and I don’t
know, I’m excited for what
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OK.
So I think we’re ready to get
into the topic for the week,
Steven Spielberg.
Is such a nice one and like I, I
like this one for a lot of
reasons.
I, of course, the same old
story.
It’s like I’m a crazy repetitive
thing.
But like, I go, oh, this feels
like it’s going to be a lot of
work.
I don’t know if I want to do
this one.
And then I start going and then
it’s totally fine.
So I like that this is like kind
of one of those ones that I’ve
always been like, that feels
intimidating it, and now we’re
doing it.
That feels cool.
Yeah.
I also like that it sets the
record straight with one of my
pet peeves.
Yes.
One of the misconceptions about
Drew’s upbringing.
Yep, and it was just fun to put
this together.
Like I the the way I started was
I just went into our articles
folder of all the articles we
have transcribed.
Searched his name.
Yeah, he just searched his name
and that was like a really fun
way to do it.
And then that’s kind of how I
started.
We’re working really hard on
transcribing articles.
You guys, if you don’t know,
it’s like so useful when it
comes to doing research for
stuff like this.
If we have digital versions of
everything, yes.
So that’s a project I am
endlessly working on, but I’ve
done so many.
So you’ve done?
So many, like it’s so I haven’t
even like gone to the folder in
a while, but you’ll tell me
like, oh, I did a whole bunch,
like a whole bunch of them.
I have like another six I’m in
the middle of right now so yay
so cool.
I love that that’s happening.
Anyway, so the research
happened.
We’re here to talk about Drew’s
relationship with Steven
Spielberg.
I just thought of the Dee
Wallace talking about how Drew
would say Steven.
It always comes back to the
celebrity profile.
Always, always.
OK, so let’s make this thing
clear, right?
Drew did not know Steven
Spielberg before ET.
He wasn’t her godfather from
birth.
We’re going to explain this.
This is something I constantly
see out there in the Internet,
people being very self-righteous
about how she’s an nepo baby,
Steven Spielberg’s her
godfather.
That’s why she’s in ET.
And it’s like, Oh my God, that
is so far from the truth.
Tell us what her life was really
like.
Anne so.
Drew’s dad, as we talked about
in the episode in our Patreon,
and we’ve talked about a bunch
before, Drew’s dad was almost
completely out of the picture by
the time that she met Steven
Spielberg, and she didn’t have a
normal parent child relationship
with her mom, so she had very
complicated relationship with
her parents.
We’ve talked about this a lot.
She likes to call herself an
orphan for a reason.
Yes.
In 1981, she met Stephen while
auditioning for Poltergeist.
This is like a story that has
been told many times.
Stephen thought that she wasn’t
right for the part.
He said that she had too much
personality to totally see that
come on and but he it was
suggested that she auditioned
for ET.
He said that she had the quote
pluck and cuteness UN quote he
was looking for in the part of
greedy.
Accurate.
Yeah, So she came back several
times to audition for ET and she
was just so happy to, like, be
coming in there and have a grown
up who would listen to her talk,
which is just, I mean, just that
right there tells you a lot
about where, you know what,
where she was in life and how
she was feeling incredibly
lonely.
She did not have any stability
or parents.
And now here’s this adult man
who is showing up for her and
wants to talk to her and hear
what she has to say.
So sweet.
It’s so sweet.
Steven said that Drew made-up,
like made-up a stories the best
of anyone.
She’s wonderfully funny and
spontaneous.
And she just melted me.
He said.
And we love the story, of
course, that during one of those
auditions, Drew told him that
she was the drummer of a rock
band called the Purple People
Eaters and they were going on
tour.
So back again.
I know that this is in the
celebrity profile.
This is a really cool little
clip of Steven just kind of
talking about how Drew got the
part.
Well, Drew, you know, I’ve met a
lot of Gertie’s.
But when Drew came in, she had
the part the minute she stepped
into the room because she began
to make up these stories that
she was a punk rocker, She had a
punk rock band.
She was going on the road.
She was going to do a an entire,
She’s six years old.
She told me that she’s going to
do a 20 city tour in America
with her punk rock band.
And then she kept making up
stories and they got bigger and
bigger and bigger and and wilder
and wilder and she just blew me
away.
I mean, there was no, there was
no second choice.
I mean, Drew Barrymore was the
first choice for this part.
It’s funny how familiar this is.
Like you saw the profile, like
Oh my God, exactly like word
like word for word.
But he’s already going to say
anyway.
Very sweet like I love how he’s
describing it.
Really like gives you this image
of this precocious.
Kid Oh, it definitely like how
she described it in the past,
like she would just go into
auditions like a little
travelling salesman and just
like da da da put on a little
show.
She wanted attention so badly.
Like, anyway, that’s a whole
other story, yes?
So now let’s get into ET
filming.
Drew considers filming ET one of
the best times in her entire
life, and a huge part of that
was because of Steven Spielberg,
she said in her book Wildflower.
To say that we loved him is the
understatement of the world.
We didn’t love him because it
was our job.
We loved him because he was like
Peter Pan.
He believed in US and for the
first time in our lives, we
realized our potential through
him.
I have never had an experience
like it.
They would describe how he would
get down to their level.
And.
Talk to them like human beings
and not absolutely.
They were lower than him, so he
changed the game.
I mean this is such a fun little
story.
Like a couple weeks into
shooting and Drew pretty much
believes ET is real.
She like kind of understands but
she’s more on the side of
believing in him.
She noticed that there were men
operating him behind a wall so
she brought Stevens attention to
it.
And he said I didn’t want to
burst the bubble so I simply
said it’s OK.
ET is so special.
ET has 8 assistants and he like
would keep a couple of the
operators on hand so that ET
could react to Drew.
Like, during lunch and stuff,
she would sit and eat with him
and tell her secrets.
And it wasn’t just like, oh, the
machine’s off.
Like, you know, let’s go have
lunch.
Like, he kept ET real to her,
which I know is also to his
benefit for her performance in
the film.
But it’s also just so sweet.
It’s really sweet.
And there’s her imagination,
like, yeah, whether she actually
thought like this, this creature
was real.
Like, that’s so magical.
Oh, so Drew, this is this is
fun.
So Drew said that as long as I
knew my line, Steven let me do
what I wanted.
And Steven described her as 7
going on 29.
Like, just like she was just
like kind of an adult mentality.
Yeah.
At six years old, he said.
At six years old, Drew
fearlessly looked me in the eye
and told me she thought she had
a better way of doing a scene in
ET.
I did see something recently
where she was talking about how
she’s like, what the hell was I
doing?
Like coming in and improvising.
Like who did I think I was?
Like I was so bold.
Wasn’t that something in the
like scene at the beginning
where they’re at the dinner
table?
Wasn’t something improv there?
Oh, probably alligators in the
sewers, something like that,
yeah.
Alligators in the sewers.
OK, so one more quote kind of in
the same vein.
She was a producer at six years
old.
She came on board ET with a lot
of ideas of how the story should
be told.
Drew did nothing but offer one
good idea after another.
The little producer in her so
cute like.
So because of this, they really
started to form what I mean,
it’s like a paternal
relationship.
You know, she doesn’t have any
sort of father figure
whatsoever.
And now she’s got this man who
is really caring about her.
And I mean, let’s play this
little clip.
Yeah, to kind of show the
affection, just do this.
Like her voice.
Yeah, yeah.
Can I say hi to Steven?
Sure.
You want to say hi to Steven?
Yeah.
Sure.
Hi, Steven.
I love.
You.
That is so sweet.
Melts you.
So she asked him if he could be
her dad, and he said no because
you know, he couldn’t.
But then she was like, OK, could
you be my godfather?
Drew says in Wildflower.
Much to my relief, I had become
so close with Steven that he
accepted my wish, conveyed by my
mother, to have him be like a
godfather to me.
So there you guys go.
All you people out there who
think it was something else, she
continues.
He stepped up to the plate he
took me in.
A girl who needed a father and
it meant the world to me.
And he was such a good father
figure too.
Consistent, caring, strict,
wholesome, nurturing.
Everything she needed.
Totally.
Everything.
She was.
So lacking my.
God so much.
It’s such a like, you know she
needed.
That.
Yeah, she’s also said that he is
the only person in her life to
this day who was ever a parental
figure to her.
And she also has said that he’s
the first person in her life who
she knew cared.
I know.
Just breaks your heart.
It does.
She stayed with Steven on the
weekends and described it as the
safest place and time that I
knew in Wildflower.
He gave her a cat that she named
Gertie, a Pac-Man arcade game,
and he took her to Disneyland,
Knott’s Berry Farm and the
London Zoo, just to name a few
things that we’re aware of like
there’s.
Some of there’s.
More, we also know that she
would visit him on the sets of
his movies like Raiders of the
Lost Ark and The Color Purple,
so continued to be a part of his
life and that’s neat, but she
got to like see the behind the
scenes of those things.
He also came to her first
Saturday Night Live hosting
appearance in November of 1982
and brought Robin Williams.
With him.
So cool.
Didn’t you describe being, like,
really nervous about having,
like, Robin Williams?
Yeah.
Yeah, and here’s a cute little
audio of her talking in 1984
about him.
Are you still such good friends?
Yes.
We love each other.
I go over to his house and we we
play games and we see each other
a lot and we’re still best
friends.
Oh.
Best.
Friends.
In 2025, she said, Steven was
like a dad.
I was getting an opportunity to
meet a safe male who I looked up
to and admired so much.
He was very parental with me.
He felt very protective of me
and I felt that from him and it
felt so good to get that care.
I know, and Steven has been
quoted as saying about this time
she was staying up way past her
bedtime, going to places she
should have only been hearing
about and living a life at that
very tender age that I think
robbed her of her childhood.
Yet I felt very helpless because
I wasn’t her dad.
I could only kind of be a
consiglieri to her.
So he just did what he could,
right?
He couldn’t adopt her.
Yeah, take her away from Jade
completely, but yeah.
And it’s funny, I was just
talking about consiglieres
because it’s a thing in the mob.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can
say is kind of like the right
hand man to the boss.
So I get and someone and someone
who, which I like this
description cuz he’s basically
like, I’m not going to go to
her.
She has to come to me and ask
for my advice.
Like it’s not kind of like like
a consigliere, I don’t think
gives unsolicited advice.
I don’t know, like that’s kind
of, I’m not sure there’s a power
dynamic there, though.
OK, that’s like that.
He’s.
Acknowledging, I don’t know,
it’s interesting.
It’s an interesting way to to
look at it, but it describes
kind of he couldn’t just like
burst into her life.
Yeah.
I don’t know, but she grows up
right and she continues to have
a relationship with him.
When she wanted to get her ears
pierced, Steven made her promise
to wait until she was 10 and
said he’d buy her a bunch of
earrings.
He was stuck on set on her 10th
birthday, so his then wife, Amy
Irving took Drew and she said it
was the best day of my life and
I was so glad I’d waited.
I had a deal with him and I was
never going to break it.
She’s so cute and then this last
detail is so great.
Drew made the same deal with her
daughter Olive.
And like really did it.
I remember like there were
pictures of her on her 10th
birthday getting her ears
spirits or something so cute.
And I also like what a simple
little boundary to place.
And she was like, ready for it,
Like, Yep, I’m going to, I’m
going to follow that promise
that I made and I’ll follow that
rule and.
I’ll smoke cigarettes and drink
you.
Didn’t say anything about that,
but.
I won’t get my ears pierced.
We always, you know, we loved
her.
We also like to bust her balls
and she would laugh.
She would laugh too.
We know she would, yes.
So as Drew got a little bit
older, Steven had his first son
Max, and Drew would babysit him.
But Steven always told her that
she was his true first born
child, and he’s also called her
his training wheels for
fatherhood.
So sweet.
Yeah.
And then we get to like, you
know, Drew’s troubled years, for
lack of a better term.
One thing that Steven has said
about that was I really think
she wouldn’t be the amazing
person she is today were it not
for these tricky years.
I always told Drew to find the
people she trusts the most and
stick to them like glue.
And on just like a little side
note of that is that in a
totally separate article years
before, Drew had said that
Steven is one of the only people
who made her actually believe
that there were trustworthy
people out there.
So so I kind of love that he’s
like, find the people you trust
and don’t get rid of him.
She’s like, cool, it’s you.
He’s like pointing at himself.
Yeah, yeah, I’m.
Trustworthy.
Oh I love that sentiment because
I feel like she does stick to
people like Lou.
Absolutely.
We just wanted to cling to us a
little bit.
Is that creepy?
I think it’s a little creepy
maybe not you guys.
You guys want Drew to cling to
you, don’t you?
I mean, I think we maybe all do.
So during Drew’s troubled years,
she said she really didn’t want
to see Steven because she felt
shame about her, quote, bad
behavior, UN quote, which like,
makes sense.
She didn’t wasn’t ready for the
judgement, I guess, right?
But she did say that one of the
best things that Steven taught
her was that your parents should
hold you accountable when you’re
messing up.
Yeah, which is, you know, makes
sense that she would be kind of
avoiding him because she knows.
He wants to be held accountable.
Yeah, yeah, yes, he is notably
absent from little girl lost
post ET.
That’s not it’s not like there’s
no discussion of him really at.
All yeah.
And it’s I’ve definitely it’s
interesting to imagine like what
was going on on his end of
things when you know, did he
even know she got put in ASAP
before it came out in the media?
Maybe, maybe not.
I mean.
Right.
Maybe she didn’t want him to
know, like it’d be.
So I would love to hear her talk
a little bit more about that.
But yeah, there’s kind of this
span where it’s like, is he even
in her life?
It’s hard to know.
There was a really cute photo
shoot, like an ET reunion photo
shoot.
Don’t even know what it was for.
It was, like, printed in foreign
magazines.
Yeah.
From either 88 or 89.
And she just looks so happy to
be with him.
He does.
You know, it’s like my dad.
Is a shoot that has like those
goofy like them on the bikes.
Yeah, exactly.
That’s so sweet.
I don’t think I’ve ever like,
really, like, looked at their
tenderness in this shoot and
like, thought about like the
distance between their like,
stronger relationship and yeah,
I don’t know, her being actually
grown up.
Well, that’s like kind of what
we’re going to get into here is
the sort of thing where as she
is growing up, she’s kind of
complaining a lot about how he
just like can’t accept it.
But then like as she gets a
little bit older, she sort of
loves it.
So here’s just a few quotes.
In 1991, she said, I know that
as old as I get, I’ll always be
the six year old Gertie in a lot
of people’s eyes, especially my
godfathers.
Yeah, he still sees me as
Gertie.
It’s funny when we go out
somewhere and friends of his
come up to us and they say, look
at her, do you see how grown up
she is?
But he can’t get over it, you
know?
So cute.
And this is like a long kind of
story quote, so we’re going to
break it up.
But I think it’s all fun because
there’s a lot of like, I don’t
know, a lot of details in.
Here this is like one of the
only times.
So this is from movie line 1992,
which is our most.
One of your most.
Juicy, interesting episodes ever
where she is more unfiltered
than ever in any article, and
this is like the only time that
she’s ever sort of shown that
she’s like, feeling very sad
about having distance from him.
Right.
So it’s it’s it’s what’s the
word I was going to use?
Profound in a way, right.
OK, so it starts.
She said I’ve only seen him
maybe three times and this is
So she said I’ve only seen him
maybe three times in the past
eight months.
Growing up, I practically I
practically lived at his beach
house.
He was the only person I
consider to be my father figure,
the only man that was ever close
to me the whole time I was
growing up.
Now that I’m older, we’re not as
close and it’s a hard pain I
have to deal with.
I’ve gotten older and it’s
incredibly hard for him to
accept basically what you just
said.
It’s like he’s having a hard
time not seeing her as gritty.
Yeah, and she’s like, so trying
so hard to not be this little
child star anymore.
Yes.
So then she continues and says I
walked into his office a couple
of months ago wearing red
lipstick and he made me take it
off right there.
On the one hand I’m like this is
my father, I can’t say no to
him.
On the other hand, I got really
angry and wanted to stand up
once and for all and say I have
grown up.
I wear red lips.
It’s my style.
So that she’s like torn at this
time.
I mean, this was probably done.
This interview was probably done
at the end of 91.
So she’s young.
She’s still 16.
And she is like, I want to be
seen as a like a woman, not as
this little girl anymore.
Yeah, like, literally.
And this last part is really
sweet.
And this kind of brings you to
like the part where you know
that it’s hard for her.
So she said.
I looked at his picture recently
on a magazine cover at the
newsstand and started crying
because it doesn’t feel like
he’s my father anymore.
And this is a man I would have
done anything for, who felt like
the one person I could really
depend on.
It’s hard because I love him so
much.
Her anguish, and this is the
author of the article, said her
anguish over the relationship is
palpable.
She takes minutes to regain her
composure.
So again, I would love to hear
her talk a little bit more about
this time because like if you
didn’t have that, you would
think like they were just always
close and he’s always been her
dad and blah, blah, blah.
But like, there was obviously
this time when she was an early
teen where, you know, it felt
challenging.
Yeah.
I mean, that’s hard, right?
Like you have a teenage
daughter.
I think teenage daughters are
hard.
There you go.
So, you know, they want their
space sometimes, yeah.
Oh, yeah, But as she a couple
years go by, so for her 18th
birthday, he gave her an Armani
suit and she cried with
happiness over that.
And like, again, could have been
like, maybe they hadn’t been
seeing each other much and he
had it sent to her and it was a
surprise to her.
I don’t know.
And then in again movie line one
of if you guys don’t know our
movie line series, they are full
of juicy info and the 1 from
I went to visit him at his
office and he gave me a copy of
the book Schindler’s List as a
present.
I told him how I had re
evaluated my life and was hoping
it gets easier.
He said it did get easier.
I listened to him, looked at
this little painting of clouds
and buildings that I made for
him when I was six years old
that he keeps framed on his
wall.
And I thought, Steven is
obviously one of the ultimate
people that I respect, yet he
will always look at me as a
young child.
There’s something so comforting
about that, that someone would
see someone else through such
pure eyes.
So now she’s kind of like, all
right, you are going to always
see me as a little kid.
But I love that.
But actually, that’s nice.
It’s nice to have somebody see
you in a way that is like frozen
in time.
I mean, I guess, like, it’s hard
to appreciate that when you’re a
team and somebody, like, wants
you to stay the same and not
change at all.
For Drew’s 20th birthday, Steven
sent a package to a restaurant
where she and her friends had
gathered.
In the package was a blanket and
a copy of the Playboy magazine
where Drew had recently posed On
the cover And the whole feature
there was a note and it said
here’s my version of you in
Playboy and a blanket to wrap
yourself in.
And in the magazine Steven’s, our
department had woven in, it’s
described its own computer
generated wardrobe to cover her
in every photo.
I really want to see this.
I know that’s one of those
things that we’re always like,
God, we wish we could see that.
Like, where is it?
What happened to it?
This.
Is 1995 so like yeah, how did
they do?
This and like how good is it?
Oh my God, I, I mean, I really
would love to know, like how
many hours were dedicated to
this incredible thing.
Oh my God.
And then Drew said I love that
because it’s funny and it’s
fatherly and it says something,
but it doesn’t make me feel bad.
Yeah, again, it’s like she’s
shifted her kind of perspective
on the whole thing.
I think like 4 years earlier she
would have been like mad about
it.
And at this point, she’s just
like, oh, I get it.
It’s so funny, yeah.
So obviously, many, many years
have gone by.
They are still super close.
She is still her quote UN quote,
dad in so many ways.
We’re just going to kind of talk
about, you know, the more recent
years.
So he did attend her 2012
wedding to Will Kopelman.
We don’t have any sort of
evidence that he went to her
is interesting.
Maybe he was busy, like, who
knows?
Right.
But he was at this one.
Unfortunately he did not walk
her down the aisle, which I feel
like should have been, but
instead she chose to have Will’s
dad walk her down the aisle and
I think she was just so feeling
like I love my in laws at this
time that that’s the choice.
I mean, not that this could be a
reason, but like, maybe she
didn’t if he if he if she asked
him if he was like, I don’t want
to like, have anyone be
distracted by.
That’s true.
I mean, it’s true, Barrymore.
But like, I wonder if there’s
part of it where he’s like, it’s
not about me.
Yeah.
Or like, I don’t know.
But it’s sweet.
It’s sweet that Will’s dad did.
It is and it’s funny like how
her last wedding ended up being
like the most traditional cuz
I’m like she, she doesn’t even
seem like the person that would
care about having someone walk
her down the aisle, right?
She’s not like being given away
by somebody, but like.
But Will’s family it makes.
Sense, Yeah, yeah.
Right, like it kinda was for
them.
Yeah, I think so too.
And he also held both of her
daughters when they were born,
like soon after.
I think she even told a story
once about Olive falling asleep
in his arms when she was a
newborn.
So they’re very like very
connect their family, you know,
the chosen family.
Yeah, Steven has been really
highly supportive of Drew’s
producing and directing, which
is so lovely to know that, like,
he can be into this professional
side of her.
And he said, listen, at some
point she’ll probably run a
studio and pull me out of
retirement and give me a good
script to direct in 2003.
He said this so quite some time
ago.
But I love that.
I love to think of like them
having something together on
that side.
She screamed a rough cut of whip
It for him and he gave her
notes.
And then he attended the
premiere in Los Angeles again.
Like so cool to like use this
basically family connection
That.
And also, he has said that he
loved the best coast music video
that she directed, and he said
he wants her to direct more
because he thinks that she’s a
really gifted director.
That’s what a dad would say.
That’s what a dad would say.
But also like one of the all
time directors saying that about
her.
Steven Spielberg saying this,
It’s not just any old.
Any old dad not.
Just any old dad?
Yeah, exactly.
And then he surprised her via
video call on her birthday
episode of The Drew Barrymore
Show in 2021.
This was like the first one that
they did where it was like all
these surprises.
That episode is so good.
If you guys want to check it
out.
I think the whole thing is on
YouTube, but let’s just play
this little part right here.
Oh.
Drew Face, I still care about
you.
I’ve always cared about you,
ever since that first time this
little blonde hurricane walked
into an audition in my office
and took us by storm, and then
soon took the entire world by
storm.
That was you then, and that is
you today.
Oh.
I know it’s such.
A cool little segment he also
shows and I know I bitched about
this one happened.
So he shows these framed photos
of her that he has and she’s
dressed as a nun and he says
that it was a week after he sent
her the covered up Playboy.
But that’s not true.
And I think drew just like
laughs along with it cuz she’s
not going to correct him on TV.
But the pictures are taken on
the set of writing cars with
boys.
So it would have been in the
year 2000.
And I don’t know why, like, if,
why she has a nun costume on the
set of that movie.
But somewhere along the line,
she must have thought this would
have been a funny thing.
And she framed three of them.
And the caption she wrote on
them say, I’m sorry, I’ve seen
the light, and I’m on my way.
And there’s, like, pictures of
her, like, praying next to a
statue of Mary and stuff like
that.
They’re really odd.
They were for sale on eBay at
one point, so we had all of them
saved.
Yeah.
Who knows why we didn’t buy
them.
And it’s just a really strange,
funny thing.
But I love that he has them
framed still in his office.
So funny.
It’s so funny.
So will we share those on the
episode page?
Probably, yeah.
Totally.
Yeah, they’re really neat,
really unique.
In 2023, Drew presented Steven
with the Time 100 Impact Award
alongside Ke Huy Quan.
When when Drew presented the
award, she said I can trace my
entire life back to a choice
made by one person.
He not only changed my life, but
I am so happy to be here to
honor him tonight, to thank him
for changing all of our lives.
So sweet.
Really so sweet.
And in 2025, they got together
at the TCM Classic Film
Festival, New York pop up to
discuss ET.
So they did like I, I sort of
think she was like moderating
the panel, if what I remember
correctly, the panel just being
him.
But one of the things that she
was quoted as saying that night
was we’re luckily close and
consistent.
It’s so important to maintain
those relationships that means
so much to you.
I’m always texting and bugging
you.
So that’s fun too.
It’s easier to keep in touch now
in some ways than ever.
And I love to show up.
You taught me so much about that
in my life, showing up for
people.
And he, he is like the OG of
showing up for Drew in her life.
He is the first one to do.
It yeah, this is an important
relationship and I know we’ve
been quotes galore, but this is
like, it’s great to have it
right from Drew’s mouth, right
from Steven’s mouth.
The relationship discussion.
OK, so one of the quotes to wrap
this up, Steven said I always
knew Drew was going to survive
whatever life handed her and
learn from it. 100% true, yes.
OK.
In 2023, Drew said that her
favorite thing in her dressing
room was a picture of her and
Steven Spielberg on the set of
ET, she said.
Not having a dad, not having
that kind of relationship with
anyone.
He was just so good and
nurturing and kind.
We still have a really wonderful
relationship.
I think him because had he not
chosen me, I think my life would
be really different.
It’s crazy when you can really
trace it back to someone.
I live to make him proud.
What a great way to sum it up.
Yeah, she would be so different
without him in her life.
Like, I mean, we have no idea.
I just that kind of role that he
filled for her as a young child,
like thank God, thank God he was
there, you know?
Like, thank God he he filled
that role, and thank God he put
her in a film that brought her
to be yeah, what she’s been
despite things that might have
been difficult about it.
But like, yeah, we’re here doing
this because of him in a way.
Yeah, that personal professional
life Veng diagram.
Thank you, Steven.
I love you.
I love you, Steven.
Steven.
This was really fun.
I’m glad we took the time to
examine this and share it.
How important and sweet it is.
We’re here to, like, fill in all
those sort of like, here’s this
reason that this girl is here
and means so much and like, you
can’t do that without talking
about him, right?
Totally.
Yeah, I’m glad that we finally
like found a reason to just
cover this.
Just cover this big thing that
is like peripheral.
To cover yourself up with your
blanket and your Playboy.
Exactly exactly.
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How Do You Drew Episode 127 – Q&A #5
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drew how do you
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Drew hello and welcome to how do you drew
this is a Drew Barrymore podcast brought
to you by thedrewseum.com and sponsored by
our friends at Positive Medium I’m Anne
and I’m Ashley and we are doing this doing this
oh I’m excited if you guys haven’t seen
the title which you probably have even
if you have we’ve been talking about
this a lot and uh Ashley has been diving
into research I just finished the movie
literally just finished it right before
this so that’s great though because it’s
fresh in your mind it’s fresh not that
the plot really had to be like you know
it’s that complicated or anything but
let’s jump into poison ivy poison ivy
this is I feel like one of the big Heavy
Hitters of Drews filmography one of the
most important in terms of like where
her career trajectory went and I think
it’s a fan favorite like there’s so many
reasons to get to this one and I think
we were a little intimidated for a bit
but we’re ready we’re ready baby yeah we
we have to be we are the foremost
experts on Drew Barrymore so did you
see that quote from Cinema sugar it was
the um hold on I got to think of the
exact phrasing the world’s preeminent
Scholars of Drew
Barrymore it just rolls up the
tongue they just decided that we were
just humble little archivist historians
over here and now scholars preeminent
experts I love it so this is a part of
our uh scholarship does that make sense
sure yeah it does this this is part this
is definitely part of our scholarship
it’s the college of
Drew should we talk about first because
neither of us obviously saw this when it
came out so we don’t really have to put
it during the release part where we
normally would talk about it do you
remember the first time you saw poison
ivy oh I don’t think I do but I I it had
to have been at the time when I was
watching everything Drew so probably
between 1998 and 2000 yeah so I was
definitely Young when I saw it I mean if
that’s like it’s just interesting to
think about like I was between 14 and 16
probably when I saw would be so
scandalized by this movie mom why this
is disgusting like I I can hear it now
but it’s also like it’s pretty
scandalous yeah what do you recall about
your first time seeing it so I must have
seen it between 98 99 because I know
like which house I was living in um I
feel like I might have actually gotten
this one recorded off like um you know
like a premium cable Channel like I
don’t think I got this one from the U
from Blockbuster from what I remember
but I definitely remember being like I
hope no one walks in on this movie like
sort of like little you
know there were some certain scenes I
remember being like Oh my God my parents
are going to be so weirded out by me it
would have felt embarrassing yeah I I
don’t I wish I remembered more details
about where I watched it I probably
would have watched it like on some
little TV that we had
set up to I I don’t even remember like
getting my first copy like I wish my
memory was better about some of those
details but every time I see it I’m like
Drew is so great in this so like I I
know I felt that and I know we’ve always
admired her performance in this and of
course she’s stunning like it’s such an
iconic role it holds up in a lot of ways
it’s almost hard for me to like think of
just Little me you know with the amount
of like amount of information about
poison ivy I’ve put in my head since I
first saw it it’s like oh yeah that’s a
great way of putting it I do remember
who knows when where I got the VHS but I
do remember it’s like double-sided like
one side is like the VHS cover and the
other side is the movie poster does that
sound right anyone know what I’m talking
about I couldn’t find my VHS when I
looked so I’ll have to I’ll have to dig
into that and I know mine’s in storage I
wish I could tell is it on our site I
mean mine is to it’s on our site right
um we were really good about doing all
of our VHS DVDs at one point and then we
kind of were like this is so boring and
then we stopped but now I like have you
looked at the that section of our page
recently no that’s that’s your one I
have yeah so maybe you have a different
one I think I do because this is like a
later it looks like a later release to
me because it looks like the DVD or wait
sorry that’s laser dis yeah I do have
the laser disc that I found all right
way to get Way Off Track already what
immediately immediately
so yes so we’re gonna just jump into
some facts a little bit here so poison
ivy was written by Melissa Gard it was
based on a real life incident that
happened to her I did not know that yeah
I would love the details who knows how
like close just been like my friend kind
of bonded with my mom and I was annoyed
it’s true and um co-written with Andy
Ruben and Katt Shea and directed by Katt
Shea um I don’t know how much will get
into like the fact that it’s directed by
a woman but it is very interesting to
think of it through that lens yeah and
mostly written by women so I do
appreciate that and I think there is
definitely some like male gaze-y stuff
there is some stuff where I’m like why’
they go there but yeah but there is kind
of like empowerment a little bit yeah
and there’s also like I feel like it
could have been worse like it could have
been exploitative which I don’t really
think it is but we’ll get get into that
yeah we’ll get into it do you want the
IMDb summary this is a really good one
all right so good we have one s in
summary from IMDb a seductive teen
befriends an introverted high school
student and schemes her way into the
lives of her wealthy family true that’s
like pretty succinct accurate I mean the
only things that are missing are
spoilers so yeah so good job IMDb that’s
pretty good once in a
while schemes is like the the key word
here yeah I know I’m surprised I didn’t
use that word in my notes I used
manipulation a lot
though all right so let’s talk about the
production of this film how it came to
be okay we can put ourselves at a time
and place we’re in the very early 1990
from what she always says is like
America’s apple pie the image of Gertie
and ET but she was also struggling to
get rolls post rehab
and also like due to her age she’s in
this weird awkward in between
space it makes a lot of sense that this
is departing from that apple pie image
like it couldn’t be a bigger departure
so
successful yeah and she was just talking
to Christine Taylor and David Lasher on
her show about this so let’s hear how
she described it in 20124 years and
years and years later so one day I did
get an idea and I was like like huh if
they think I’m such a kid what if I
tried something different and I found
this script called Poison Ivy it’s so
good it’s so
good and I was
like he’s the hair oh I love this there
you
go that’s that girl that’s that girl W
you just got a lot tougher and
then that’s what I did for a couple
years I was doing those kind of more
femi
sexualized you know roles perfect clip
and that makes me feel like we’re doing
this I mean I know we could have done it
the last eight weeks and it would have
been fine but also like that we’re doing
it at the right time to revisit it when
like she can see looking back like she
is taking power right I don’t know it
was yeah I I don’t really feel like
there’s anything in her career she looks
back on like oh I wish we wouldn’t talk
about that but true it is it is like
reassuring and validating when she’s
like yeah let’s talk about how sexy I
was in poison ivy yeah that that it’s
like there isn’t she’s not being shamed
she doesn’t feel shameful like that’s
really nice and empowering she also
spoke about this briefly on the E
celebrity profile that um that interview
was from 1997 so we’re jumping all over
time but it’s cool because we got lots
of different viewpoints and eventually
word gets around town that you’re doing
well you’re doing good on your auditions
that led to another audition and that
audition led to someone talking to
another person who was doing a low budget
film called Poison Ivy and that was my
first film
back celebrity
profile when celebrity profile
returns yeah it’s it’s cool I love
seeing both of these looks back yeah so
yes the one thing that we’ve probably
talked about before and this is like
kind of known about how Drew felt um
when she heard that Ivy had a tattoo of
a cross with ivy on it she was like I’ve
got a very sing similar one on my ankle
and this feels meant to be she like
always kind of had that feeling and it
was so fresh yes that tattoo so yeah I
love that that it was like her final
sign of like Yep this is the this is the
way to go Y and you pulled a clip from
cat Shay talking about Drew and the role
so I’m going to go ahead and read this
so she said I hadn’t thought about Drew
for the part at all but I knew the
minute she walked up my front steps she
was perfect she’s got this quality it’s
kind of the angel and devil wrapped up
into one she’s so seductive she can
manipulate anybody into doing whatever
she
wanted well said yes I mean that is true
right innocent and like experienced all
at once always all all stages of her
life do do we know anything about anyone
else that was considered for this no
gosh that would be amazing to find out
who else would have been able to pull it
off Winona no just
kidding
oops um so we have a lot of material
here where Drew talks about what it was
like to play a character like Ivy some
of these might be a little repetitive
but there was just so much good stuff I
kept coming across I don’t know I also
love a long quote that gives us like the
entire feeling and we we know we like
how Drew describes things so if they’re
her describing things I’m all for it um
so let’s start with some little Clips e
he let’s do
it this is the girl that you’ve envied
your whole life that you always wanted
to be in your wildest fantasies but
never ever ever dreamed or even thought
of becoming someone like that and for me
being Ivy let me live those fantasies
okay Drew agreed let’s I hear
[Laughter]
more sometimes we laugh because it’s fun
because I I really get to play a bad
girl in this you know and I I get to get
out all my anger through my character
which is pretty interesting sometimes to
see myself release so that was cool that
one was on set yeah I love that oh my
gosh that there is like actually some
really great onset footage that’s
available was just so surprising like
you would think this would not be
yeah for this a small little movie and
they call she called it like low budget
you know yeah yeah yeah so let’s jump
into some of these quotes you P yeah I
pulled a lot for magazines so these are
all for magazines from 1991 1992 okay um
the first one is quote I play a girl who
has nothing who befriends another girl
who has everything my character tries to
acquire everything her friend’s got her
motives are good but the way she goes
about it is bad the movie crosses a
certain line of behavior it explores
territory I found interesting
interesting do we do we think that the
other girl has everything you I don’t
know I just like I like that idea that
it’s it’s about wealth to to Ivy she
does for sure for sure she has the
family the house the dog true it’s all
that here’s another one Ivy is a good
girl her motives are right she just goes
about getting things the wrong way I had
to play her so that people would love
and accept her and at the same time hate
what she’s doing it was really hard and
I loved it that’s a great like great way
of putting it because you do kind of
really enjoy IV even though you don’t
agree with what she’s doing and part of
it is the man manipulation like we can
see through it as the audience but it’s
also like she can pull that off yeah
yeah um another quote it was the hardest
film I’ve done in my whole life it was
this role you have to basically turn
your life over to my character has no
family she’s a complete free spirit
then she becomes best friends with this
girl we’re both total outcasts but we’re
very opposite she dresses in overalls
and hats and I dress in cowboy boots and
skirts up to my
undies kind of
skangy we’ll get into that later
they use the word skangy at least twice in
this
movie I yeah these comparisons like yeah
it’s it’s true they are both outcasts
but they’re very different and they but
it’s like is there a friendship
completely based on this manipulation
like yeah kind of we’ll have some things
to say about that I have I have mixed
feelings Yeah well yeah we will get into
that because there was a point actually
yeah just when I when she’s like
pretending to be her mom that I was like
that’s kind of sweet she’s giving her a
moment to talk about her mom and then I
was like I think she
starts genuinely like maybe there is a
power Dynamic and she knows she has the
upper hand but I think she genuinely
wants to be friends with Sylvie yeah and
then things start turning yeah let’s
talk about that more because I think
there there are definite moments where
you can go like oh that’s actually
darling totally yeah okay so here’s
another I play a Girl by the name of Ivy
and my character is very intelligent a
very bright and funny girl if you’ve
ever met a person whom you’re in awe of
at First Sight that’s who my character
is an amazing human being who brightens
the lives of those whose path she
crosses a blooming flower who has no
friends and no family that one but
that’s a really cool one a blooming
flower who has no friends and no family
the whole thing you it’s definitely
she’s skirting around how like evil Ivy
is in that one and you would just be
like wow like it almost sounds like true
right
yeah I like it though yeah all right
we’re almost done with these
descriptions but here’s another great
one Ivy was the kind of girl who in
reality you would never want to become
but maybe when you were younger you even
knew a girl like Ivy who made you say
why can’t I be that free why can’t I
just do the thing she does even though
what she does is wrong at least she has
the guts to go and do it I loved Ivy so
much for that and wanted to play her
regardless of whether it was a good
career
move and she’s saying this like the year
it came out so yeah I think she knew
deep down it was gonna be a good career
move or she hoped anyway I mean based on
what she was just saying on her show to
Christine Taylor like she hoped this
would be what it was she was right of
course there was a risk but she somehow
was
Charming enough that people didn’t find
it actually like I don’t know whatever
they might find it I don’t know it’s it
is very cool that she can talk about
this character this way like she knew
that she was just representing somebody
that other people would
admire you know and it really shows that
she really understood the character of
Ivy like in all these different facets
because she’s describing her in a lot
lot of different ways here and I think
that probably really it comes off I
think yeah that she knows it’s like a
multiat it is not a singular you don’t
understand Ivy we don’t know who she is
and that’s like fascinating so anyway
here’s one here’s one more she said I
always wanted to play Lolita and this
was my last
chance I felt like including that just a
week ago on a quick little side thing
about her obsession with Lolita all
through throughout like her young years
yeah it’s kind of interesting and I
don’t want to go too much on like a
soapbox about like the underage stuff um
but I think at this time she saw Lolita
as like this seductive manipulator and I
think like as I’ve gotten older and
known more about the story that’s really
not what it’s about like she’s a victim
in that story yeah um but it’s
interesting that Drew was so obsessed
with it like it comes up so many times
when she’s younger but probably because
of the film right because like the film
could be yeah was so I actually have
never seen it but it was so iconic she
picked it for um the essentials that was
the only time I’ve seen it was is it Sam
Kubrick yeah yeah so
like I don’t know I mean there could be
something to it that it wasn’t like she
wasn’t even thinking about the story as
as much as it was like a beautiful young
girl getting to yeah I think you’re
right I don’t know because there I mean
there is some as weird as it is for us
as adults to go
like you know young girls like we don’t
want to think of any young girls that
way and yet we want girls to feel sexy
and Powerful yeah I think she was taking
it that way when she was this age uh I
don’t I’d be very curious what her take
on Lolita is these days but she was I
mean she name dropped it a lot back then
so I do like thinking that that’s sort
of what she was inspired by in some way
yeah even if she was misunderstanding
the
story there’s no way it couldn’t be
inspired by it I feel like
right this is a cool little detail I
don’t remember this so Drew celebrated
getting the role of Ivy by indulging in
a shopping spree and she went to her
favorite stores Benetton Aardvarks and the
Gap is this Aardvarks on Melrose I think so
yeah that’s what I was thinking isn’t
that fun and I think I don’t know why I
feel this way but is that where they’re
shop are they shopping on Melrose in the
movie like when she gets the leather
skirt I don’t know why I think
that or is it just Melrose-esque I don’t
know kind of cool to think about there’s
a couple like things in the movie where
I’m like where’s that exactly like even
though we’ll get into it but we’ve been
to a couple locations but there are even
more that I’m like I should look because
it’s probably all right around that same
general area of La probably yeah it’s a
very La movie in some ways and not in
others it’s kind of interesting yeah um
let’s quickly talk about the rest of the
cast because there’s really not that
many other people there’s some really
small rules but pretty much we just have
Sarah Gilbert who I think is the lead of
this movie even if she’s not the Title
Character um she plays Sylvie Cooper or
Coupe as Ivy calls her um they later
reunited in riding cars with boys which
is really fun um like such a cute little
thing I just love that and I I don’t
immediately think of it that’s the other
cool thing about it and also that it was
only NE it was only nine years later
that’s also another trippy thing yeah
that’s really weird um but Sarah was on
the Drew Barrymore show in 2021 and I
just thought this is a little long but I
just thought it was too cute not to
include this just sort of hearing how it
was like back then
I’m not want to kiss and tell but please
do but I have to say look now I’m like
gonna blush Drew was the coolest person
that I ever met and yeah and that’s what
happened well we were supposed to um
kiss on in the movie but then we started
practicing in the trailer which was kind
of fun we had to practice right it was
really just us doing research exactly we
were like oh I guess we should like
practice because we want it to look good
on
screen we had so much fun I remember I
feel like it was in the parking lot in
Los Feliz right we were like had that
little base camp oh yeah I drove that
jeep and I used to go get like ice cream
on the lunch breaks and I was like
constantly getting into accidents I
think I my license taken away on that
movie I Remember You Like Dancing on the
hood of the Jeep and yeah it you were a
wild child but in the best possible way
I was
impressed oh that’s so cute I know what
great details you were a wild child that
was so
cute some other casts that we’ve got to
introduce so we have Tom Skerritt as the
dad Daryl um he said that Drew
represented herself as someone who was
going to overcome whatever problems she
had that’s really cool yeah I like that
a lot yeah he clearly respected her
presentation of herself really cool and
how like professional she was probably
yeah um and then finally Cheryl lad
plays the mom Georgie and I think it’s
cool that she was a Charlie’s Angel you
know years before Drew became one and
then I always also like that her
daughter Jordan lad is in Never Been
Kissed she’s the main mean girl Gibby so
that’s sort of a fun connection that’s
right um we also kind of have to talk
about the fact that Leonardo DiCaprio is
credited as guy quote unquote
so people think you can see him and have
like thought that he’s walking out of
like the school and no no it’s not him
no it’s not him I remember at one point
it was like oh yeah like right in the
scene with the dog it’s like nope not in
there like yeah it’s weird because the
credits say that they’re in order of
appearance but when I was and I sort of
remember them being that way like on the
VHS maybe I’m losing my mind but when I
watched it this time they are not in
order of appearance so it’s not really
help to figure out where he’s at um but
he was friends with Sarah Gilbert he was
probably on set we know you know based
on like firsthand from our friend
Joalena’s boyfriend Jason he was a Never
Been Kissed he was contracted a certain
way he ended up not getting to do that
part but he still gets the credit
because of the way that sag works I’m
assuming so just because Leo isn’t in
the movie doesn’t mean he wasn’t
credited and just because he’s credited
doesn’t mean you’re going to find him
anywhere so weird but we yeah we don’t
have really any details yeah it just
makes me crazy that there’s this clip on
YouTube like this is him and it’s like
no it’s
not okay so Drew said about the crew at
the time she said the crew was the
tightest closest Family I’ve ever had I
was like everyone’s little sister that
makes me happy to think of her feeling
protected that’s so weird like if you
pulled that quote and said what movie is
she talking about I would have guessed
ET yeah but it’s like to think of her
feeling safe yes it’s really lovely to
imagine with a role like this I know
there’s also an onset video interview
and we’ll link to a lot of these um but
she kind of says that same old thing
about how she got so close to the crew
and was going to have to say goodbye to
them we’ve been talking about this a lot
on our patreon when we’re going through
little girl lost so it’s just a
reoccurring theme in her life yep
[Laughter]
all right we have to talk about the sex
scenes with Tom Skerritt yeah I think
this is important to address ahead of
time too because it’s it we mentioned
that the movie is raunchy if you’re
listening to this you probably know that
already
Roni Roni ski it’s ski Roni Drew gets
down she
does I’ll go ahead and read the first
quote that you pulled so she said it’s
funny because we were both really
nervous and I thought he’d just come
right out on set and take over and
everything would be perfect but he was
really shy so I had to be one with the
ovaries and say okay let’s go I saw some
of the dailies and they look really hot
they’re very passionate and erotic but
also very subtle and again this is
before the movie came out that she’s
talking about this yeah um be the one
with the
ovaries I know I love that yeah she also
said I was just as nervous as he was but
I had to act like it wasn’t to make him
more comfortable so pretty much the same
thing but I feel like that’s kind of
funny because I actually kind of
appreciate that that he was sort of like
this is weird you know you’re 16 I don’t
want the other way around in kind of any
scenario so he even if he’s not shy I’m
glad he acted
shy you know um so Drew was upset about
a body double that they used for her
even though she was emancipated and
legally 18 and she said about that I had
to sit there and watch her do it and I
was cringing in my seat it’s difficult
to like watch someone else fake you I
can’t even imagine how weird that would
be no and then of course as we mentioned
in our movie line 1992 she said no
offense to the girl but I have prettier
boobs so I think the version I watched
didn’t have like the uncut stuff is it
just like one scene where he lifts the
shirt yes that’s what I think it is so
it’s not even that blatant okay yeah but
I remember reading this yes so if you
want to listen to us talk more about
that for any reason listen to that movie
light 1982 episode that we did because
it’s a great one yeah it was definitely
something we sort of did to gear up to
this episode they’re nice companion
pieces ex and the last little production
note I have is that the title changed a
few times for this movie um at one point
they were calling it desire and that’s
actually even printed on some press
photos which which is wild yeah I think
I have a couple of them interesting and
then when Drew did a cover feature for
Venice magazine in early
called our house which I’m so glad they
changed
that not good no no that desire okay
poison ivy yeah yeah that’s the name
although when we search for Poison Ivy
and we’re looking for stuff related to
Drew it’s all like Batman withman yeah
that’s
true so that’s the only problem is the
title it was reused or was a character
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are we ready to jump into talking about
the movie yeah insert sexy saxophone
music here it is like right when it
starts you’re like whoa I fact I bet you
that was one of those moments as a
teenager where I put it on and was
immediately like oh my God what is this
nobody listen to
this okay so let’s jump into just going
through the movie I think when we first
did these episodes episode we were like
talking about everything talking through
it this is just us like making note of
stuff we thought was fun to note yeah
which there’s plenty I took a lot of
notes this time
around yeah and I just I took a few
notes to to uh go alongside this but
this is just us kind of as we’re
watching we just go that’s fun that’s
fun so not comprehensive again if you
haven’t seen the movie watch the movie
because we’re talking about very
specific things and there will be a lot
of spoilers absolutely so yeah Sexy Sax
um I have to say at some point I think I
noted that maybe like there’s like a
theme song like there’s definitely a
theme right and I think they use it I
was trying to figure out if there were
differences throughout the movie I think
there’s some variations and there’s also
like um the mom’s kind of like there’s a
couple themes but I know the main one is
right at of course the mom’s theme yeah
of course good I the music is really
cheesy but really
good yeah so let’s talk about like her
look right away come on oh well
immediately I really love that it starts
off just like literally opening credits
there’s just these shots of Ivy’s like
accessories and her clothes and her hair
and then she flips that hair and we get
her sweet beautiful face and it’s a
great opening and great reveal yeah
those first shots of her yeah I love
those like individual little reveals on
the rope swing I should have said she’s
on the rope swing yes she’s on the rope
swing and just right away you’re like oh
I get it this is like a
badass yeah this is like a sexy badass
because that looks scary I know and Drew
looks beautiful it’s a beautiful like
opening of just like her and Sarah
Gilbert’s character is watching her and
like writing in her journal maybe or
sketching her um and I love her voice
over here and throughout the whole movie
it’s the perfect like awkward teen she’s
trying so hard to be cool but she’s just
a nerd like and it’s just so good I
think she does a great job at it and
really does and the voiceover is great
like there are sometimes when voiceovers
are like why but I actually feel like it
feels Well Suited yeah we need her
dialogue yeah we need to know this is
her
story because Ivy’s so enchanting
otherwise it would be sort of become
hers did you already said she used the
words Ki no but I loved immediately I
was like ski that’s a great word we got
to use that more often that’s going to
become a word of the Pod I just know it
scy and my last note on this opening
scene is that uh it ends with Ivy
winking at Sylvie and I feel like it’s
and Sylvie’s like taken off guard like oh
you knew I was watching you and it’s
sort like yep Ivy’s already on to her
she’s already knows like she she’s Sly
she’s wise she’s she’s paying attention
that’s why she’s a good manipulator
she’s Street Smart from living living
the way she
did yeah because we get just like little
peaks of who the real person is yeah um
yeah the the next scene where they have
to like basically kill the dog because
it had been hit by a car and quote
unquote Ivy comes out and does the job
it’s so brutal I don’t know like you
know this probably was my first time
watching this movie on like a really
good TV on like a nice Blu-ray player
don’t watch that scene if you don’t like
that kind of stuff because it is Gory
like I don’t even want to go into detail
but I was like whoa why are we showing
that it was really upsetting yeah I
didn’t watch a high quality version of
the movie okay you’re probably
lucky um but I think it’s kind of an
interesting foreshadowing and spoilers
here Ivy comes in and like this dog got
hit by a car Ivy comes in and someone’s
got to like basically put the dog out of
its misery that’s sort of what I think
Ivy thinks she’s doing it’s like a mercy
kill I think somebody right before that
is like somebody needs to kill it or
somebody needs to whatever yeah and I
think it’s kind of similar to what she
ends up doing to the mom where she’s
like she wanted to die like I just you
know she justifies it to herself yeah
it’s a cool foreshadowing it is
interesting that she is able to do that
without any like basically they show
Ivy’s face after she does it and she’s
just like she’s like yeah what matter of
fact yeah um there’s also some really
cute onset footage of Drew complaining
that the pole that she uses is too heavy
for her to swing I think I remember that
little clip that is really funny but she
manages she does manage and she looks
like a badass right away like her entry
into this movie is like all right she’s
swinging on a swing she’s both she’s
swinging a pole pretty crazy um let’s
talk about the next scene which was at a
location that we visited
yeah so the so the high school this a
school called Alverno High School in Sierra
Madre this is close to where I was
living for a long time but I think we
visited it before that maybe yeah and
remember this next part it was used in
no place to hide which was filmed just a
few months prior that’s so weird too
yeah what a weird
coincidence it’s like um I think it’s
like a Convent in that movie I know it’s
like when she’s wearing the overalls
like towards the end I barely remember
that movie but um I believe Kent our
friend Kent who is by the way like the
biggest poison ivy fan there is I think
he was the one that realized it was in
that movie as well okay and then I just
noticed watching Legally Blonde recently
that it’s like the sorority house in the
beginning of the movie I was like wait a
minute that’s the poison ivy school
that’s funny there’s so much stuff
that’s used for filming in like that
area
Cadre Pasadena South Pasadena is just
like filming capital and this was in the
yeah so we’re at the school Sylvia has
to go to the principal’s office let’s
assume and Ivy’s already in
there and she shows that her tattoo is a
stick on tattoo this cross with the ivy
through it that we mentioned before yeah
on her leg and I have a funny story and
there’s this great Instagram account
called 9sg girlfriends and she’s like
one of us like she has all the like 90s
Drew memories everything yeah lot of
stuff gets reposted on our social media
because yeah it’s so relevant and I saw
her leave a comment somewhere I hope
she’s okay with me sharing this but it
was so funny to me about it was about
that kind of stick on tattoo in the
movie and like is that even a thing that
exists and she said that when the US
picture of Drew’s butterfly tattoo she
cut that out and used Vaseline to try to
stick it on like the IV
tattoo oh God so amazing isn’t that
amazing that is so amazing ’90s teen
girls less permanent than getting the
actual thing right which I do have a
butterfly tattoo inspired by Drew and no
no regrets but
yeah did you notice that we get a little
bit of that Drew child smirk happening
in this scene when she talks about the
nose ring yeah I forget what the line
was but I completely noticed it she says
like feels like you’ve got a booger
going
like or something like that but she does
that same exact like I’m about to laugh
smirk
yeah love that little thing she hadn’t
grown out of again um so they’re kind of
getting to know each other I am Sylvie
goes outside to her dad’s car and his
very first words in the movie to his
daughter are I ought to slap you it’s
like
yikes introduction of father not not
cool um but then it makes me laugh so
hard I always laugh at this I laugh at a
lot of Sylvie’s lines yeah because she’s
just she’s just so like sad and pathetic
Ivy asks for a ride dad says no they
just met three minutes ago and she goes
dad she’s my best
friend I just it just kills me every
time I don’t think of her as being a
loser I think her just being like I
really want to be cool and the way I can
convince my dad is to act like a little
girl and say she’s my best friend but I
also think it’s really funny and cute um
so right there she just makes up the
name Ivy yeah she doesn’t even know her
name no she doesn’t know her name and
then she says your name is Ivy by the
way before she gets into the car and
then she gets in the car and Ivy is kind
of like oh okay I like that yeah I think
afterwards like when they get somewhere
like I don’t know they they address it
again like a couple minutes later and
she like oh what is your name by the way
and she says I like Ivy sort of gives me
the chance to start
over yeah that’s right I forgot about
that so Ivy is not even her name we know
nothing about her I’m going to jump
ahead by saying this but the the stupid
sequels totally act like her name is Ivy
and I remember the first time I watched
one of them I was like nope I’m out her
name wasn’t Ivy you’re wrong and and
it’s also like almost like throwaway
yeah oh he’s like what’s her name Ivy
like she just kind of she looks over at
her tattoo she’s like Ivy wrapped around
her cross and says Ivy yeah it’s pretty
great and it makes sense for the
character I think like yeah we don’t
really need to know about her background
we we learn at little tidbits like that
her mom was on drugs and or whatever
like when she was blasted she had to
drive her mom around like there you know
whatever she said so we know that there
was not a good not a good upbringing no
I do love and she pulls this more than
once she says like oh I’m I get car sick
I have to sit in the front seat and
that’s the probably the first like true
little manipulation that she does like
I’m going to get my way by doing this
although you don’t know it yet yeah you
don’t but I think when she pulls it
again with after the tattoos I’m like oh
this is
intentional you little sneak yep
absolutely and then I thought I made
myself laugh with this little note but
the sprinklers turn on before she gets
in the car and she gets all wet and I
was like is this a foreshadowing that
there is so much rain in this movie
especially like this is LA and it rains
constantly in this movie and weirdly
like La does get a lot of rain sometimes
but to capture it that way like do they
do they actually say like it’s Los
Angeles do they like call it out no but
they talk about like street names and
stuff like that and like the view from
the house is very clearly the LA Skyline
that’s oh of course yeah of course
actually I had a thought when they show
the skyline off topic but on topic that
Drew’s house has such a cool view of
like the skyline and I I like would be
curious kind of compare like what was
her view versus what’s the view from the
house I don’t know oh that’s a cool idea
we should do that yeah only nerds like
us would get excited so just a little
bit about like that moment in the car
where she’s in the front seat and you
know Sylvie’s in the back she’s like
meeting the dad for the first time and
like totally being flirty like right
away oh instantly she does that cute
little tongue stick out which is so cute
except when you think about that she’s
like flirting with this old dude I think
it’s like because they’re talking about
having to get oh yeah like condoms for
school and that they have to like learn
how to be comfortable with asking for it
and it’s like it’s not like they want us
to like mess around or anything and then
she’s a little like tongue and then she
like has her her shoes up on the dash in
like this nice car and I’m just like o
oh yeah instantly making herself at home
very much her and then of course I was
like she loses her boots so many times
in this movie and I’m like it’s just
like Cinderella later
on was meant to be yeah yeah so yeah we’
we’ve now been officially introduced to
Ivy and her first little manipulations
yeah all right I titled this next part
as Ivy comes over I think it’s like the
next day and the girls kind of are
walking home from school together Ivy’s
learning about coup’s life and her dad
and I felt like Drew’s real life pain
about her own dad
came in this no I think he really cares
about you my dad didn’t want me anywhere
around he gets so pissed if you tried to
talk to him he’d throw stuff at me like
food or
spitballs and it’s like her own dad but
I laugh at spitballs because it’s so
funny but yeah I know I like when she
was saying it like it basically was like
she had an abusive relationship with her
dad and you could almost pluck that out
in that line directly like is her
experience and she’s looking at this
other girl who she thinks has everything
and so
beautiful what did you get it my
dad he must really love
you H he gave you that little stuffed
bear once
Drew that’s true it’s not funny don’t
you forget
no um so Sylvie starts telling some lies
here
it’s so embarrassing like she she’s half
black and that he’s not her real dad and
I’m just like so much embarrassment for
her but the only reason we know that is
because she like is talking to her mom
and I forgot that so she and when I read
your note I was like what is she talking
about and then yeah they’re like like
did you tell your friend you’re half
black yeah and she also says that she
like had tried to commit suicide but
really she like ran through like a glass
window or something thing it’s just like
she’s trying so hard it’s so real to
being a teenage girl oh my God it’s
painful and yeah she does it beautifully
because it feels real and feel we feel
that like yeah yes um and then this is
the first time we see the house the
Cooper house in Los feliz which we also
got to visit so this is one of the two
locations that we visited um of course
Lindsay Blake helped find the address
yep Lindsay if I’m not a ER I think I
also tasked her with this one we were
just talking over on patreon about how I
asked her to find Drew one of Drew’s
houses and I think I also asked her to
find this and of course she succeeded
like she always does um I remember it
took us so long to get there that day it
was like one of the stupidest LA traffic
days it was like two miles away and it
took us like an hour or something insane
like that yeah I feel like I remember
like it’s not even that far up a road
like it’s not like far off beaten path
every time we’ve gone to do like two
locations in a in La it takes forever
yeah but I do remember like seeing the
balcony was so cool because it really
the house mostly looks very similar we
have photos on our website um the
drum.com
locations you can see our pictures and
we always like to kind of put them next
to screenshots from the movie um but
yeah this was really neat there’s some
slight differences but for the most part
it looks very very Sim yeah like we
stood in the spot where basically Drew
and Cheryl lad both fell and died in
yeah that’s right because it’s like
right there I guess it’s also the spot
where like Fred the dog is like going
back and forth is right in front of that
and that’s like that’s Street side it’s
not like a private space yeah it’s right
there you don’t have to you don’t have
to trespass yes
exactly um so the girls are becoming
friends this is where it feels like
pretty authentic like I don’t think Ivy
is like oh I’m gonna just totally take
over this girl’s life I think they’re
having fun together the music very
cheesy here there’s a lot of cheesy
music as I said before but this I always
feel like this is like we’re becoming
friends like this little song and it
sort of like starts to twinkle in a
little bit like I feel like in that
scene because there’s sort of like an
awkward like Ivy is like G to leave and
then she sort of like half-heartedly
turns away yes and then like turns back
it’s such a like I don’t know like do
you want to come over I be
friends yeah me neither it’s like yeah
um did you crack up when Ivy comes into
the house and plays the piano I’m like
this girl does not know how to play the
piano like
this honestly it sounded to me like they
pressed a like pre-programmed keyboard
piano like really quickly and then turn
it off but she’s supposed
to but I guess the point is that it
wakes up the mom or brings the mom
around okay that’s why they had to do
that yeah yeah so sylvie’s mom is talking
to her kind of privately about Ivy she’s
like the way she describes her cracks me
up she’s like she’s got a woman a naked
woman with a sword on her jacket or
something like is that someone who you
want to spend time with or something
like that yeah she says like what do you
think that says to the boys and then
sylvie’s like try anything funny and I’ll
cut your dick
off I loved that I love that she looks
at her mom like yeah that’s good right
we do want guys to know try anything
funny like this is this is the person I
want to protect me Mom yeah right oop
I’s just gonna destroy everything
spoiler alert but of course Ivy is like
lurking and hears this and walks in and
like oh I’m causing a problem and she
really ingratiates herself to this mom
in such a good way like I really love
this scene I think Drew is so good in
this I think I know this was used on
like a talk show for like the clip that
they pulled um yeah I’m really a fan of
this
part I hope that when I die I have owned
a sports
car I had a
family a
home my mom died an old lady who never
did anything at the top
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down one day with the top down is better
than a lifetime in a box
the one day with the top down is better
than a lifetime in a box is so sweet but
it’s also like she kind of is she I
think she sees the picture of the mom
with the car yeah that ends up coming
into play later and she’s like making
this observation but she’s also like
taking notes that’s the thing about like
Ivy is that like mentioning the car with
the top down like all that feels very
like you know she even says like I bet
you drove it with a top down even in the
rain like she you’re right she’s like
noting all these things she even notes
the dress the mom is wearing in that
photo with the car but yeah I guess we
didn’t mention the mom is bed written
yes essentially like is she actually
sick she has like empyema or something
it’s very questionable yeah her
breathing gets really but she like they
see they show her smoking on the patio
and she’s has like a breathing problem
so as Sylvie says at one point she
spends her life dying like sylv’s
definitely like doesn’t really buy it I
feel like yeah I mean she does say I
think after she after her mom dies
something like a spoiler alert also um
that she’s like I thought she was faking
yeah I mean that would be hard if your
mom was sick like the whole time you
were I don’t know all right so now Ivy
just kind of casually just starts living
there pretty much the way she puts her
feet up in the car she puts her her
whole life into this house like I’m just
going to be here now and she’s just like
sleeping in the same bed with Coupe and
and I think that there’s some great um
voice over that kind of says like and
then Ivy just moved in you know yeah
basically it just
happened um I always Lov there’s this
really quick shot um where she’s wearing
this like black and white sort of tank
striped dress I do love that and her
hair is up in a different way and it’s
so brief but U she’s like putting on the
fake tattoo but I’ve always loved it’s
such a quick moment but I’ve always
loved it it always feels
special I love a stripe me too
especially black and white and it looks
so cute on her and it’s different than
other stuff it feels like almost not Ivy
like yeah it does and one thing I like
about this movie is that the Wardrobe is
reused which I always appreciate that
for feeling more authentic and real um
and you definitely see the same pieces
used throughout this movie which feels
good it’s genuine yeah I you point out
that Ivy is so rude to the dad while
she’s Sun brething and like yeah right
away she just acts like she owns the
place like she’s yeah she’s like you’re
blocking my son like or something like
that maybe she doesn’t say that but
that’s the
attitude yeah then her shoes fall in the
water but they just are like so
precariously just like at the edge of
the pool like it’s like or whatever it
is like the fountain Fountain yeah yeah
yeah super rude and then you know she’s
like those boosts cost 150 bucks and
then he’s like oh he’s such a dork in
this part he’s like so excited about her
out there in her little tied up top and
he gives her the money and she’s like
playing sort of like a tug-of-war with
it and he’s
like like he’s like freaking out
God yeah he has such a little boy like
grin on his face it’s so oh God but it
it has
like I think the cringe adds to it in a
wh yes I do too definitely if he was
like Smooth about it it it would feel
gross I don’t know that’s one thing I
have a note later on that sort of feels
less gross because this character his
character is uncomfortable the entire
time he’s like miserable about this he’s
never like yes I’m going to go for this
girl like and yes he has the power
Dynamic he’s the man he’s the older
but he is really just like succumbing to
it and like unhappy to do it I don’t
know I feel like that helps with the
gross thing I saw your note and maybe
we’ll just discuss it more then because
I was like really I don’t know like he’s
so unhappy about it all yeah I feel like
I had another thought about the boots I
think he says like keep the change
because he gives me like a little bit of
extra money or something it’s like dude
oh my God I mean I I guess he doesn’t he
probably just thinks this is their
exchange is going to be silly and who
she’s being flirty why you know yeah
maybe getting a little thrill out of it
oh yes um so then we get basically this
is like the first I think two very
obvious PES on Ivy’s part like there’s
no question that she’s doing something
underhanded with these like if you go
back later you can sort of see Snippets
but yeah she took that money and then
she just goes and gets the boots and
dumps the water out so like
cool I don’t think I Really Ever fully
CED that until I saw and I was like oh
yeah like I think I realized yeah she
pours the water out of her boot and puts
it on but I just didn’t even though it’s
right before I didn’t realize like oh
she just got the money to replace boots
that she’s keeping anyway wow yeah and
then there’s a phone call to sylv’s
phone and so I get it’s kind of
confusing I I think because I watched it
so many times I understand but Sylvie
volunteers for this group called Head
Start um with like inner city children
where she helps them read essentially
that’s like she like helps tutor and
like yeah so there’s a phone call from
that group and they’re saying hey can
you help out on this particular night
and she looks at the calendar and on
that night is um the dad’s having a big
work party and it has like totally and
like big bold writing dad’s birthday
yeah like sylv’s actually excited about
it and she says oh yeah she can totally
do it yep I’m putting it on the calendar
and that’s when you’re like oh I think
she says that day is totally clear yeah
she’s up to no good and again the little
charm is on so she’s like nope got it
here like wrote it down I think I feel
like on the other end they’re like do
you need to call and remind her or
should be like you know oh God don’t
call again yeah so how far are we into
the movie and she’s already just pulling
it over and over again
yeah my last note is that this poor maid
she is just like so over this family
[ __ ] I think that part they like break
an espresso machine and it just like
explodes and like
somebody
sigh my God they’re just making they’re
just like make wreaking havoc on the
kitchen yeah um yeah now we jump to them
getting a tattoo I don’t even remember
how that happens I think they decided to
ditch school yeah yeah yeah and sylv’s
like let’s do something that’ll make my
parents crazy or something like that and
I was like oh I know what we can go do
yeah and then he’s already in the middle
of tattooing her when he asks her if
she’s of age oh this guy is so
disgusting like this would never you
would never put this guy in a movie
these days like with how gross he is and
it’s pointless too why do we have to
have this guy be so nasty with them well
yeah he like drinks a little bit of beer
and like spits it on their tattoo like
it’s so bad and he’s talking about like
a tattoo of a penis he’s just disgusting
but I thought it was cute that he asked
like are you sure you’re 18 or something
and she says I’m 22 and I was like oh
her lucky number we love when that shows
up number I love that she just goes and
she’s 30 over to syvia and I’m almost
like I would almost believe that it’s
like something about it
like they don’t look 15 or 16 or however
old they’re supposed to be
yeah uh that scene is just yeah it’s
cringey but it’s supposed to be it’s
like one of those things where like
we’re like H they’re like putting
themselves into this situation so they
can do something to get in trouble
they’re definitely rebelling I also
remember she says like she needs 40
bucks for the tattoo I was like wow wow
that’s so cheap yeah it is um so they
get in a fight the girls get in a fight
because basically Sylvie sort of
insinuates like oh I’m not the type to
get a tattoo
friendship look I’m just not the type
what’s that supposed to
mean
nothing oh but I am low
class you rich little [ __ ] with your
socially acceptable
Rebellion what am I just another one of
your inner city charity
cases G I’m so
sorry what that you don’t have to teach
me to read must break your
heart this fight escalates so fast like
instantly they are being so mean to each
other and the thing I loved about it is
when I saw your note I had just passed
that scene and I was like what
fight yeah because it’s over almost
instantly too that’s how short it was
and the money tug that you mentioned
between the father and Ivy she kind of
does it with Sylvie too but in in this
way she like instantly gets Sylvie to be
like all right I forgive you fight over
she just melts yeah yeah because Ivy’s
just so damn cute yep yep um so then
they get in the truck of this guy they
hitchhike home okay casual the Rebellion
continues and this guy that drives the
truck just drinking and driving casually
like turns around he’s like I got my
beer here as I’m driving you guys well
Andrew is like or Ivy is drinking with
him the and then there’s real that song
that plays during this um I think there
was like no budget for real music in
this movie oh a lot of the songs are
like the same band
and they’re they’re like fake you know
what I mean like they they’re not songs
you’d actually hear on the radio they
feel that way they feel fake are you
just saying this are you saying no I
like looked at the credits it’s the same
band quote unquote have they ever
released any real music I didn’t go that
far with it but I’m gonna guess no it
feels weird like it does feel low budge
music totally yeah for sure because I
feel like if we put a different
soundtrack to this okay if you’re out
there and you want to re-edit poison ivy
with better music yeah I feel like it’d
be like Guns and Roses as very of this
time and look yeah but they didn’t have
the budget for that yeah the score is
fine that part has to stay it’s just the
soundtrack the needle drops need to be
real needle drops I think yeah there you
go um so I didn’t realize that this
scene because it was in the version I
watched that the scene where Ivy calls
Cooper beautiful was not on the VHS yeah
this is so weird weird so it’s a quick
little scene she yeah she says she’s
beautiful it’s not on the VHS it’s on
the DVD but then I remembered on the VHS
I don’t think I don’t know if it’s in
the exact same place or not but there’s
a scene on the VHS that’s not on the DVD
okay and you hopefully remember this but
basically like um Ivy’s on the steps of
the house inside and the dad comes up
the stairs and he’s like caught off
guard it’s like at night and he’s not
wearing his toupe and he’s like all
embarrassed that she sees him like that
and she says like oh it’s okay I like
fuzzy things like
snowballs that ringing a bell I don’t
remember that at all I wonder if we
could find it on YouTube I was just
gonna say have you seen it recently or
you just remember it totally just going
off memory yeah oh my God I do not
remember that I also had to note that in
that part because Cooper says maybe I’ll
die my hair blonde and then Ivy says
something like you’ll look like a sky ho
yeah SK was just the thing I
[Music]
guess I can’t feel the words on my
tongue but they’re on my
mind and then I just had a note that the
mom on the balcony with like the
curtains and their night gown are all
blowing all over and the music it’s such
a Vibe and I made not here like is that
one of the theme yeah I feel like that’s
the mom’s theme yeah Sylvie like comes
in at that point well she thinks her mom
is going to jump she’s standing on the
balcony and she’s kind of thinking about
it you can tell and Sylvie comes in and
like gets her down but yeah sylv’s
awkwardness with her mom in that scene
is just it felt so real and sad and
you’re just like man her parents are not
there for her like it might look like it
to Ivy that she has a mom and a dad and
it’s so great but but they are both like
pretty neglectful and shitty yeah they
don’t have like good relationships with
her no so yeah here we go we’re going to
jump to this party that was supposed to
be like basically co-hosted with Sylvie
yeah and she’s like excited like when
she comes down with her hair in that
like low low ponytail thing yeah like
almost like a low loose braid with like
a red bow in it and she like a c dress
and the guy from has Shark comes to the
door like what are you doing you’re not
ready and then they find out it’s
revealed that Ivy has you know messed up
her schedule and now she has to go
accidentally quotequote accidentally
yeah and here we go so Ivy’s plan worked
that who know like what was she thinking
was going to happen I think she just was
like I’ll get her out of the house and
I’ll be here alone like I really think
that was the plan and the dad is he’s a
little too excited when she’s like oh
I’ll help out I can serve drinks andever
a lot little bit too much like smirking
and like almost like half winking
between them like we got it yeah um but
that appearance in that red sequin dress
is so classic it’s so iconic it’s like
everything they pan from feet to head
slowly until they get to her face yeah
we have to talk about that hair it’s
like so it’s so classic 90s oh my gosh
every
like 1991 through 94 magazine I had like
I had a a lot of teen and I feel like
that French twist was like the epitome
of like sophisticated hairstyle and like
I couldn’t recreate it at all I remember
trying I have always been so bad at
updos yeah same like it’s something that
I would love to like it’s such a
sophisticated thing yeah like this is
one of many like updo I shouldn’t say
many but there are a couple updos that
Ivy has that just make her look twice
her age well and that’s like the first
time right like she’s got the like perm
and The Roots all throughout up until
now and now she’s like all of a sudden
sort of looking like the mom yeah like
she even says people said I looked like
you all night like I shouldn’t have worn
your dress she’s of course being
manipulative but yeah but yes they pan
up to Drew’s
face and then she says
hello Mr
pooper care for
anything and then there’s that exchange
because he’s supposed to be sober and
then again another manipulation but it’s
like a little play and then it comes
back later again so he like secretly
drinks and yeah like she basically gets
the ball rolling with that for him good
job
Ivy um so the party ends and she’s like
dancing by herself in the shadows and he
comes in and she does a little shoulder
shimmy and goes over to him and kind of
dancing on him I guess and then the
lights come on and poor Georgie the mom
has like tried to do her hair and get
dressed for this party way too late it’s
so sad and she calls it immediately
she’s like oh I see what’s going on here
like I think she says like so glad
Sylvie found herself a little friend or
something yeah yeah and I just my note
was master manipulator because right
away that when Georgie comes in Ivy is
able to convince her that he just needed
a hug yeah she’s like already has the
LIE ready to go and I feel like that’s
even when she says he really misses you
or something it’s
so devious so devious and it’s such a
quick she came with that like it was
just like so natural for her to be like
yeah I got a cover for this no problem
I’ll get out of this one don’t worry I
got it oh yep and then and then oh my
God so she gives the mom a drink like
I’m sure you need this again like
they’re by themselves and she comes in
and you know she’s lurking once again
and uh almost instantly Georgie passes
out and the first time I saw this I
thought she killed her like I thought
she had drugged her drink and killed her
because it’s so abrupt she’s just goes
from like being wide awake to like and
also I can only imagine like she’s on a
lot of medication and they show her like
popping pills every once in a while it
seems like secretly so I’m like that
can’t pair well with alcohol nope and
I’m sure Ivy knows that yeah and she’s
like you’re right like out like almost
immediately and then Ivy just sits on
the edge of the bed casually just lures
over the dad Daryl well the mom is there
right there on the bed it’s so ballsy
she doesn’t give a [ __ ] like she does
not care and they have like their first
little sexual
encounter right there there’s a lot of
moaning and heads back and and saxophone
and lots of saxophone I couldn’t help
but notice all the close-ups were her
hands like it’s actually like and you
know that’s not that’s weird to point
out but it’s not because I feel like I
do point out when they aren’t you know
like I notice and so I was watching for
like is this a double and then they like
pulled away and it was Drew and I was
like wow she really had to do all this
with him like all the like rubbing her
hands through his like you know graying
hair it was it was well done it was like
but it it felt it’s very 90s because of
the music also like the way it’s shot
it’s like almost grease lens yeah it’s
very like late night Cinemax
exactly like they’re not really showing
anything but it’s very implying of like
all all this like yeah stuff so there’s
their first encounter right next to
Sleepy mom o sheesh so that sets a tone
yeah and it also sets a tone like I
almost feel like from this point on I
don’t think Sylvie knows what’s going on
but she starts getting a little
resentful of IV from here on out like
they’re not really getting along after
this has to be that she thinks it’s just
the you know related to the schedule
she’s I’m sure she’s thinking what did I
do to Ivy for her to do that to me
intentionally yeah yeah I think they
show them maybe in bed that night and
there is some kind of like she like
shoves her over like yeah it’s like
that’s subtle at that point oh she gets
home and um her dog is sleeping with Ivy
and she’s kind of pissed about that
because she’s very territorial as her
dog so the first time we see Fred kind
of spending time with ivy no Fred come
here poor Fred we’ll get that
Fred um so the next day they show Ivy
like go into the garage and she’s sort
of poking around and she’s getting
treats for Fred which is one of the
things you start to understand like
that’s why he likes her so much yeah one
of her tricks yeah she’s giving him
treats um but she’s in the garage and
she like runs her finger along the car
and there’s something so like cool and
like villain
about that to me like it feels very like
yeah it’s plotting like this is going to
be mine exactly like it’s a plotting
thing yeah she even gets in the car at
that point and like is listening to the
radio right oh yeah they have this whole
thing where yeah she like drops the
treat on the ground then goes under the
car finds the key magnetically attached
to the bottom of the car and then gets
in so it’s a whole like you know series
of events the dog treat had to lead to
her dropping it but it also sets up that
there will be more stuff the car more
stuff with the dog so definitely it’s
like the scenes are actually like okay
they needed that and well yeah so Sylvie
catches her in the car and she’s pissed
about it she’s like why are you in my
mom’s car and she’s in a bad mood about
this Fred thing so then they get in this
fight about the dog Fred and at first
Ivy’s like this is so dumb like come on
but then she can’t help herself she gets
that little competitive like this is all
going to be mine and she starts they
start basically calling the poor little
dog back and forth
poor
Fred go ahead keep calling
him Fred oh
Fred God damn it Fred I called
you Fred come
here no Fred come
here no Fred come here Fred I called you
come here
Fred Fred get your fuzzy ass over
here it is so it’s so funny but also
like again it’s telling us something
about what the competition is like
feeling like for Cooper like yeah and
then Ivy can’t she can’t let her win so
she shakes her I always love this she
puts her hand in her pocket where the
treats are does this really subtle
little shake and Fred comes over and
she’s like yeah that’s right I won
you’re just like and then she’s like
good boy
yeah that’s very villainy too yes
totally so then this like this sad like
we’re not friends anymore more of that
really fake music plays that fake rock
and it was kind of perfect because it’s
like a montage and they show like Sylvie
walk and then looking at how her tattoo
is healing she and her friend are
fighting like then she like goes to that
place where the where the swing is and I
like your note well you know she’s like
maybe I can be cool like Ivy and go on
the swing and no I can’t do it and then
he’s like this couple comes and jumps on
it and that the woman always stood out
to me like she looks like a
gymnast and also I was like she’s got to
be like someone who did stun on the
movie because it’s just too like perfect
and I looked her up and she was a
gymnast so I thought that was really
cool I just made a note I’m like totally
because I read your note and then I
looked at it I was like she looks like a
gymnast flash card like what you would
say that’s a
gymnast yeah like she I feel like she
has like a tight ponytail like strong
strong legs really short shorts like you
could tell she’s a very muscular like
body uhuh oh we should mention her name
it’s B berit sheer I don’t know if I’m
saying that right probably not but shout
out to her for being such an obvious
gymnast
and they like flip around on the swing
like it’s no big deal it’s very very
funny so now yeah let’s jump into uh
right before the rain in the woods scene
famous yeah the one that we have more
Stills in our digital archives from that
scene than anything else which just
shows you like all the kind of pervy
magazines that must have wanted them y i
digress so uh the Dad shows up at the
school to pick up the girls and he’s
like harassing ivy right in front of the
school like in total view of everybody
I’m just like dude this a bad look like
you are not hiding this
well yeah so I think the only reason he
can get away with it is because he is
sylv’s Dad whatever but yeah she’s
sylv’s not here yeah and then she still
gets in the car anyway and he’s sort of
he’s just like pissed at her because she
gives him a look like o are we gonna do
it he’s just like don’t
and then he tells her to get out of the
car oh yeah and she doesn’t and he says
you heard me she’s like I hurt you oh
did I hurt you and he just like gives
in but like I said he’s so miserable
about
this that is true that part is weird
because yeah I mean the that part where
she’s like asking if she hurt him it’s
like is she just like breaking down all
his Walls by asking that is that like
it’s all it was was like what is this
it’s just and I it was almost so like
okay she it seems like he wants her to
leave MH and she’s just trying to change
the topic yeah and it works it works she
got what she wanted they go hide in the
woods in the rain of course it’s raining
that kind of makes it feel a little bit
less weird to you because you feel like
he’s like really like like I just
appreciate that he’s not like excited
about
it I don’t know true and tell’s too
excited to to turn back am I right
yeah there are some really cool Parts
like pictures of her face I also love
that it’s raining like there’s some
really cool stuff about this scene that
have nothing to do with what’s actually
happening in the scene yeah well one of
them is I don’t know if your quality was
good enough but I noticed that you can
totally see all her ear piercings and
you can’t see them very often in her
life but you can really see how many she
has in that scene I took a lot of
screenshots and I think we I’d noticed
that before cuz when I saw it again I
was like oh yeah I remember this angle
and seeing that before it’s something
about the light like the way it’s
hitting her yeah maybe that’s what it is
all right so they have their little
their little uh encounter in the
woods all the magazines loved it the the
setting is cool true true and that’s
where the uh I think that’s where the
body double was used that was the same
oh yeah that makes sense okay so we cut
back to the house it’s later on and once
again the mom is sort of doing her
little balcony wishing I could jump but
I’m not GNA jump thing um I love Drew in
the pink slip she’s wearing it’s like a
I don’t know if it’s slip but it’s like
got that vibe to it um it’s like silky
silky for sure such a pretty color on
her with her um hair color in that scene
I just have always loved it like I love
photos from it which are few and far
between yeah she does look gorgeous in
that I just love this scene I think that
Drew plays this really well like you
don’t really get the sense that Ivy went
and they’re like I’m gonna go kill the
mom now it just the opportunity shows up
and before she even realizes what she’s
doing she pushes her off the balcony and
she instantly looks freaked out like
holy [ __ ] what did I just do like I
really appreciate that that that’s sort
of what she’s talking about in all these
descriptions of Ivy like there’s shading
right like we like Ivy we’re not she’s
not just onedimensional
evil [ ] like yeah know homicidal [ ]
as Drew called
her she she’s not like feeling great
about what she did and she’s really
freaked out and I just I love her faces
in those scenes those expressions where
you can really tell all the things she’s
going through you’re right yeah and it’s
sort of I guess we can think of it as
like the dad feels bad about the shitty
things he he’s doing and you can also
see some like whatever some emot on her
face yeah but she’s she literally kills
the mom yeah let’s not sugarcoat it she
still did a really bad thing but it also
was like yeah it could be easily covered
up by the fact that the mom has sort of
not threatened with this yeah yeah
flirted with jumping off and she I think
Sylvia has seen her like standing really
close to the edge and they don’t show
anything they don’t show the mom’s body
but then you see Sylvie come in and then
she goes downstairs have to like imagine
okay she found her then they jump to the
funeral where Drew again like looks
amazing but looks like she’s about
going on yeah yes I was gonna say like
there’s an updo happening um I feel like
her dress is like it’s black but it’s
got like strappy like it’s kind of sexy
yeah also yeah I’ve always liked that
part too anytime she looks like very
different like one little scene where
it’s like oh she never looks like that
in the rest of the movie I guess those
are things always like catch my interest
yep and then after the funeral I totally
forgot that Ivy just like goes and
sleeps in the mom’s bed right off the
bat the balls on this
girl and then she gets caught by Coupe I
again a great Sarah Gilbert delivery
you’re in my mother’s
bed I just love
it right after that they just start to
Snug in bed together yeah cuz of course
Ivy like again gets out of it and then
just like insists that Sylvie pretend
that she’s her mom and talk to her and
there’s something like that feels like
say say the things to me that you’re you
couldn’t say your mom when she was alive
like there’s something like she is being
a friend but she’s also like I’m
literally in your mom’s bed probably
wearing your mom’s
clothes I wanted to talk to her again
tell her stuff before she
died tell
me
what pretend I’m
her come on I’m your mom I don’t know
what to say well what couldn’t you say
to me come on I’m
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Georgie I was and I think she even like
responds as if she’s her yeah totally
it’s a yeah it’s
intense okay it at what point does like
good friendship become just way
overstepping this is it yeah great great
way to put it yeah um then we get the
classic car crash scene so once again uh
we’re back to the car this time Cooper’s
like uh washing it and she’s like
thinking about her mom and like that
would be a nice way to honor her I guess
is by washing this car that meant so
much to her and then ivy shows up like
she’s like looming in the background
like come on let’s go for a ride all
three of
us and when they get in the car I loved
that I just love because I love rain but
so does Drew so so Cooper basically just
like says it might rain and Ivy’s
response one can always hope I just
liked like because I mean we we know she
like to do it in the rain yeah you’re
right there’s a lot there’s a lot of
rain in this I also think she’s like
embodying the mom Georgie in some way
because she knows she loves to drive
with the top down so she’s like really
wants to become this woman true and she
also like it seemed like
she like like we said earlier she was
taking notes and collecting sort of like
this fantasy person yeah and then kind
of becoming
her yeah it’s really well done I really
I really like this movie still I was
like oh I haven’t watched in a while is
it gonna hold up it holds up yeah it it
is like Drew’s acting is strong the
storyline could be worse like there at
least there’s a storyline yeah it’s a
little it’s low budg it’s a little
cheesy but like it works it’s good it’s
it knows what it is and it’s really good
at it that’s true that’s true um I
always love Drew in this orange dress uh
you called it Merry gold which I think
is even a better way to describe it yeah
because it’s like almost like got a lot
more yellow in it but Mar is like a
light orange yeah it’s like a very
specific orange and I didn’t double
check it but I mentioned it earlier I’m
pretty positive this is what the mom is
wearing in the picture with the car that
you see at the beginning so it’s again
she noted it she’s like I’ll wear that
later when I kill her and we go around
with her n yeah but it is such a good
dress oh and so like thoughtful that it
has the cutout on the chest which comes
into play later like great touch yeah
exactly right where a steering
wheel would hit
approximately um
approximately I was laughing during so
Ivy drives and I was laughing because I
feel like she drives kind of similarly
to how we always hear Drew does which
she even says In that clip we listened
to earlier she got her license taken
away on this
movie yep and I just while I was
watching that part which you can see I
see you mention the Stunt Driver later
but you can definitely see like every
time they show the back it’s like that’s
not true yeah but um but also I’m like
where did they film this because it
really feels like a Canyon Road like in
LA like it could be like any Canyon
roads like I want to look it up but I’m
so curious maybe Lindsay can get to that
one for us yeah um I don’t think that
when Ivy is supposed to be singing The
Melody of the piano I don’t think it’s
Drew doing
it I don’t either it doesn’t sound like
it’s so weirdly over
to like that’s not true
but also like you and tell they were
like don’t make it sound perfect yeah
but it didn’t it just did not sound like
Drew like if it was it was Drew I could
just see her like over and over trying
and they’re just like we’re gonna get it
we’re gonna get somebody to dub that
one um also I noticed speaking of her
voice that it crackles when she starts
yelling at Cooper and it reminded me of
how you love that Parton mad love where
she screams and come on she was about to
kill herself she must have said
something what don’t you tell me what my
mother
said please stop I want to hear you you
accusing me of something why did you do
something everybody always had up
blaming me I thought you were different
I thought that we were real
friends it sounds so much like it like
right away I was like hearing that mad
love scene in my head like it’s just
another little tidbit we get of what
life was like before this for her MH
she’s being way overly defensive to this
thing and yelling and being very and
making her drive more dangerously yeah
and then like I had to crack up because
again this is probably the best quality
I’ve ever watched this movie and you can
totally see the stunt driver’s face and
so like I paused it I accidentally
paused it and I sent it to you I was
like this is so creepy that’s like not
true at all um and I looked at the Stunt
Driver her name is Debbie Evans she does
a ton of stunt driving and randomly
enough she did stunts for Demi Moore in
Charlie’s Angels Full Throttle so oh
cool I love that people always like come
back around Hollywood’s a small place
yeah and when people are in industry and
they’re good they stick in the industry
for a while that’s yeah that’s true um I
don’t know if you noticed this but I
feel like I used to notice this a lot
when so they they crash the car and Ivy
wakes up and her hair is like tucked
behind and you can’t see the full length
of it and it’s perfectly tucked exactly
at the length it is in gun crazy like
she looks straight out of gun crazy
we’ll have to pull one of your caps for
that one I don’t I haven’t noticed that
before but I love when that stuff
happens when it’s like when things are
cropped to D just her face and it’s like
oh that’s that looks just like this but
like how close did those film together
really close it’s probably a matter of
maybe months like maybe even shorter
than that I think soad back yeah it’s
pretty neat to think about crazy oh I
can’t wait to talk about gun crazy one
day we’ll get there yeah we will um so
now let’s get into when um after the car
crash Sylvia just has to escape from the
hospital I mean okay so yeah so her dad
comes to visit her in the hospital oh
such a jerk such a jerk he’s just like
pissed at her for crashing the car no
concern for her well-being like she has
a
concussion but he thinks that she was
driving because Ivy the master
manipulator put her in the driver’s seat
so I guess we got to just take that step
back and talk about that the fact that
that happened um we just kind of bowled
over because if you you’ve seen the
movie we’re just talking about it that’s
right so um so I’m just like why does
why does she have to escape the hospital
like I think well we know she’s like
hallucinating and a little delirious
right she keeps seeing her mother
everywhere and she knows now that Ivy
might be responsible for her mom’s death
so there’s this sense of urgency of like
I have to go get her I guess but she’s
not making a lot of sense because she’s
totally out of it true yeah because then
she gets there and then sees her mom’s
well let’s talk about how she gets there
first of all okay yeah I forgot how long
this Escape goes on I’m like she’s like
going in the elevator and she’s sneaking
past the nurses and she’s in like an
Alleyway it had like that parts of it
felt like when they’re escaping in mad
love when they’re escaping the mental
institution like going around like like
here staff and they’re like sneaking by
totally it’s funny how like probably
because Drew is not in that part it’s
just like isn’t in my memory as much so
I was like wow this this like goes on
forever yeah yeah but I did always love
the goth dude that picks up Sylvie she’s
like sitting in the rain I’m very
curious about him like I’m like is that
guy like actually like a musici he just
like he’s credited as death rocker
good I also didn’t realize that he like
gives her clothes because she comes home
and she’s not in the Gown yeah he even
says like like I stole those I hope you
enjoy I hope you enjoy the digs I stole
those too or something like that but I
just didn’t even think about it because
that’s not the focus in the scene
because Wham she comes home and finds
her dad and Ivy but she’s imagining that
it’s her mother being like railed by her
dad by the piano on the piano but I was
also like wait this is supposed to be
Drew and I thought this was the part
with the body double but because it’s
Cheryl lad yeah and then they like you
know she turns around and it’s Ivy and
she realizes that Sylvia’s there and
she’s walking in on her old dad’s butt
too it’s brutal poor Sylvie yep and she
just like is slowly continues to walk in
because she thinks she’s seeing her mom
because she can’t believe what she’s
seeing yeah um so she runs out of course
dad has to go chase her pouring rain
pouring rain at this part of course so
we’ll explain why but I was trying to
figure out if pretty much at this point
when Ivy runs out after him if this is
where she’s actually wearing a wig it’s
wet because of the rain but I started
looking for it here and I did feel like
her layer length seemed a little off so
I don’t know if this is where it starts
or not but that was my guess the cool
thing is that L magazine they did a
feature on Drew in 1991 it’s not a
covered feature but um they were on set
during this scene and they know about
how Drew is like freezing which of
course she’s always cold so I can only
imagine with all this rain on her but
she looks beautiful I mean if there’s
any you know like the scene turned the
scene turned out good um I just had to
note it’s so sad that silie keeps
hallucinating I know she thinks her dog
is like the ear with her mom’s remains
in is very sad yes um but Ivy like goes
up to the room the Mom’s room oh because
the dad’s going to go drive and look for
Sylvie that’s why so she’s like I’ll
just go upstairs and put on more of
Mom’s clothes gonna put on this robe
because that’s what I do now and Sylvie
comes in and again thinks it’s she’s
seeing her mom it’s actually Ivy and
then this is when the kiss happens the
big overblown kiss is there a kiss
earlier in the movie too or was I just
like waiting for the big I don’t know I
think there’s like a very brief like
Peck but this is the like tongues and we
just went for it and you know over and
over again it’s spoken about and it’s so
not a big deal it’s pretty mild by
today’s standards yeah but also when
there when was it in um movie line 92
yeah a lot about it so I think they’re
they’re kind of saying like how
embarrassed they felt like the crew was
cuz they were going all for it so we
were getting like the behind the scenes
of what they were filming and what they
actually cut to us is like all right
that’s mile so who knows yeah she also
talks about it in some like uh TV
interviews so I mean this was just a
different time where that was a huge
deal and it so doesn’t it’s like nothing
now girls kissing can you imagine it’s
like one second of screen time yeah it’s
very little yeah um okay so we’re at the
end
originally the character of Ivy was
written to live at the end of the movie
she’s supposed to get away with it all
it was going to have her leaving the
Cooper’s house at the end and
hitchhiking to quote this is from cat
Shay find her next victim which is you
know and you almost wonder has she done
something like this before maybe not
committed murder but infiltrated herself
into somebody’s lives um and Cat Shay
fought for that ending but new line
Cinema decided that Ivy needed to die
she needed a pay so this is why they had
to do re-shoot I like apparently they
didn’t even film an ending at first oh
according to cat Shay so they had to
re-shoot months later Drew had already
cut her hair for gun crazy and that’s
why there had to be a wig apparently it
was a very expensive wig she said
oh so just that’s like a pretty cool
thing to think about it’s crazy that
they would have wrapped the film without
like an
ending yeah but I mean who knows maybe
they were just like if we have to end it
vaguely yeah with her
just
disappearing you know like who knows
what they thought but that also that’s
just it’s so interesting that I wonder
how much Studios can dictate endings
like we hear stories of Studios doing it
I mean especially like I think this is
cat shade’s directorial debut okay uh so
like she didn’t probably have any power
to you know get the ending she wanted
which is sad uh I like the
you know yeah me too even though I’m
always bummed that she dies because that
damn necklace which always looks so
cheap to me that necklace it’s funny
that they make such a big deal out of it
yeah it also kind of looks like the like
Titanic necklace doesn’t it yeah the
blue sparkling totally but yeah the damn
NE necklace does her in she’s holding on
to it and it breaks because it’s cheap
it sure does and looks cheap yeah um
when that scene was coming up of course
I thought of when we talk to Le wadell
Yeah in our scream episode and we’ll
explain why Lee wadell who’s a stepman
he was he participated in her death
stunt in this like Drew landing on the
ground from the balcony and he said that
she like did it so many times that it
made him uncomfortable right didn’t he
say something to that effect but the
reason it’s relevant the reason we’re
bringing him up is because he would
later be the stunt man who would be
Ghostface um when Drew was being killed
in Scream
which we didn’t even know when we
interviewed him for our scream episode
it’s our episode 10 um I saw that he had
done stun some Poison Ivy and I was so
excited to talk to him about it but when
we found out he’s like the one that does
her death in both I’m like that’s pretty
cool what a weird thing to claim to fame
yeah that was so cool yeah so that’s
really fun if you guys want to hear that
we also have the full uncut um interview
with him on our YouTube if you want to
check that out oh yeah that’s right I
also it’s still blown away that episode
episode I know so long ago and now we’re
finally getting to poison ivy on number
ground with her face and I’m just like
she is a trooper she is so professional
and gets it gets it done because man it
looks painful yeah and I made a note
because in her hand is the sparkling gem
that she’s a gold digger till the end oh
yeah the heart of the oan
I perfect little bow on Miss poison ivy
Y and that’s our movie the beginning and
end of her story we do we do end with
Cooper’s voiceover saying like I think
I’ll always love her like you know which
I think is cool because what a
complicated thing for that that poor
girl the trauma she just went
through yep hope you’re okay CP wherever
you are yep and yeah she literally
watches her fall off the balcony and
breaks the necklace that she’s wearing
it’s trauma trauma trauma young
girl I miss
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her all right so let’s talk about the
release and the legacy of poison ivy and
then wrap this episode up so this iconic
film yeah the red carpet Premiere was in
LA on May fourth Drew attended with
Jamie Walters her boyfriend fiance at
the time and her mother Jade was there
too um Sharon Stone went to that
Premiere which I always thought was cool
you know they did a reconcilable
differences together right like do you
ever I always forget that I think it’s
Sharon Stone’s debut I totally forget
that because the timeline seems wrong
totally yeah and they’re not in a lot of
scenes together but I always kind of
like thinking that she was like there to
support Drew and she’s also you know
also this movie in a lot of like
marketing was like Basic Instinct and
you know you know very what Sharon Stone
was representing at that time so I just
think it was like a a show of support
and I like it yeah I love that and I
yeah I love that somebody with clout
like that would come and like support
yeah
I think she’s the only other person of
note that I’ve ever seen that
went and Sarah Gilbert of course was
there too I don’t even know if Tom
scarrett or Cheryl L went I’ve never
seen photos of them there I don’t know I
and now I kind of want to look but I can
picture Sharon Stone she’s wearing like
a big t-shirt I feel like isn’t she yeah
yeah we’ll have to share some photos
very early 90s so the movie opened on a
pretty limited release this is pretty
common for indie films so it opened in
LA in New York on May 8th of 1992 so
just a few days after the premiere yeah
and I don’t even think it ever got a
wide release so did not do successfully
in the theatrical release but yeah it
makes up for it we’ll get to that um
Drew did do a ton of press for this this
was her big comeback like this is the
first thing that really put her back on
the map as this like adul is teen Vixen
sexy bad girl what she would be for the
next few years yeah it definitely was
one of her renaissan as I like to say y
it really really was she went on like
arenia Hall Dennis Miller shows there
was magazines like we mentioned movie
line us interview Venice like there’s so
many magazines from this era if you want
to check those out we have a great 1992
magazine page on the drum and there’s
all kinds of good content there for you
to yes good old self-promotion for the
jum um should I play this little clip
from one of the press
conversations I I like the shock um it’s
it’s incredible to see the response that
people are having towards this film let
alone seeing me doing the things that I
do in this film um when they think of me
as a little girl I’m not a little girl
anymore yeah you kind of are
though and she looks like a baby yeah so
um yeah a couple reviews which I always
like reading so um Peter Travers for
Rolling Stone said you know who that is
right um I can picture him is he in like
one of the bio things and we used to
like talk about what’s the quote that we
used to like I don’t remember but we
definitely had like a laugh about him
yes I can picture him but I don’t
remember what the quote is that’s so
funny so he said bury more Nails every
carnal comic and vulnerable shading in
her role she’s a knockout beautifully
said carnal is such a good word too yeah
yeah yeah and then this is kind of a
longer one but it’s really great from us
which US not us you and I before US
Weekly there was just us that’s what it
was called yes and it was a great
magazine and I miss it still to this day
um they said Poison Ivy’s big draw is
Drew Barrymore all grown up and
weathered before her time she plays a
lonely lethal Lolita looking for some
company on her dead end trip to Nowhere
Barrymore gives a terrifically Frank and
sexy performance
the 17-year-old actress is notorious for
her drug downfall and recovery and the
experience shows with trashy confidence
she pulls her lips into a heart-shaped
pout and struts around like she owns the
Earth her every move cries too much too
soon whoa yeah it’s a good one also that
of course is her great Aunt Diana’s
autobiography title too much too soon
that’s right that’s a good review it’s a
great one wow I just like I’m like every
line has some kind of like the trashy
trashy
confidence wow cool thank you for
pulling those that’s sure um the film
later gained cult status through video
and cable releases so yeah even though
it didn’t have its big theatrical
release you know Splash Drew definitely
got recognition for this and people
remember her for this role like I think
that people at the time and then for
rubies it’s like iconic yeah it’s
definitely one of the biggie like as I
said at the beginning it’s one of those
like oh poison ivy it’s a big deal there
are some sequels as we mentioned they
didn’t have cat Shays involvement at all
in 1996 there was poison ivy to Lily
starred Alysa Milano she’s this girl
that finds Ivy’s diary and tries to be
like her and that’s where I was like her
name wasn’t Ivy so I’m out like because
it’s supposed to be like before she went
to the Cooper’s house it’s so silly um
seduction with Jamie Presley and I guess
she’s Ivy’s little sister
Violet okay and then I guess I didn’t
even know this in 2008 there was poison
IV the secret society a lifetime
movie I know I think I tried to read the
summary and it was like gibberish and I
just yeah yeah so this is this our
interest is primarily in Drew
Barrymore’s 1992 poison directed by cat
sh yeah um but it is fascinating that
there has somehow been like an expanded
universe for a character that was made
up and the name it’s yeah it totally
just turns its Cannon upside down it
doesn’t make any sense
yeah and this very last thing I don’t
remember this at all oh interesting so
tell me about this okay so there was a
fashion brand called UNIF u n f and they
did a whole line inspired by Poison Ivy
in 2012 for their summer um summer line
and their marketing campaign for it is
incredible they got this blonde girl and
this brunette girl they both have huge
curly hair and they’re wearing very
inspired by the time
cloth from what I recall there was like
a YouTube video I don’t even think it
exists anymore that showed all of the
images and um they had like the line the
voiceover from the movie kind of going
through out based on this like
screenshot I have here yeah wow I have
like no recollection it’s really neat
they did a great job it’s like perfectly
inspired it’s not like a direct you know
cosplay but you look at it and you’re
like got it I know what they’re going
for here well this image yeah it’s like
supposed to be exactly like how she’s
sitting when she’s sunbathing yeah it’s
really good we share photos from those
yeah that’s really neat so here we are
at the end of our poon an ivy episode oh
my God we did it I can’t believe we did
it I’m so excited we’ve been talking
about it for a while this this was yeah
this is an important one it also it’s
like it feels so I feel like a lot of
the information about
it I don’t know what I was gonna say I
lost my train of thought I was trying to
figure out how to wrap it up I
think you’ve just been rendered
speechless by the Beauty and the uh evil
Charisma of Ivy yeah I have I just I
don’t know what to say anymore go jump
off a balcony you’re
done anyway we hope you guys like this
this was really I’m like thrilled to be
releasing this episode this has been in
the works and there’s a lot of love that
we have for it and you know I didn’t go
too much on my like this is
uncomfortable she’s a teenager yeah rant
this time I feel like I’m trying to rain
that in and again like I didn’t feel it
as much as I expected to because of the
way the material was handled which I
really
appreciate yeah it’s it’s cool to like
try to find that lens it’s like yeah we
we almost
like expect to feel ick right so like
you’re almost like what can help me not
feel ick with but great movie I’m so
happy to revisit it I still love it yeah
and again I like the one thing I will
say coming out of it as like be wanting
to be protective of Drew as the
individual that person is like said that
she said she felt safe on the set so we
can come out of this going like she did
do this like stuff that was questionable
for a teenager but Drew felt safe and
that’s what’s important and it very much
felt like her decision through and
through so hopefully she never felt
exploited yeah and yay Drew so thank you
guys I hope you enjoyed this as much as
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Universe lately I feel like I’ve
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In a very long time, yeah.
This was like, I think the last
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when we were doing it weekly
maybe like.
Yeah, it might have been.
You know, and we have had four
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We’re back with your Qs.
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As, and this is going to be a
very Hole heavy episode.
Yeah, kind of hole meaning the
band Hole.
There will also be lots of holes
in this episode.
If you’re into that kind of
thing, you’re in the right
place.
Yes, yes.
But let’s start up, start at the
top.
We’ve got lots of various things
before we get into it, so let’s
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OK, so let’s get into some other
stuff.
Can you tell me what Drew has
proclaimed her love for
recently?
I love, love.
Not too many this time around.
I like this first one.
Drew loves a dry cat.
What she means by that is
someone with a dry sense of
humor.
But I just such great wording.
Yeah.
I like it, she said.
She loves a Tabasco.
Which I was surprised wasn’t on
the list because we have all
kinds of like hot sauce and
spicy foods and stuff.
But that was the first Tabasco
and then also this one surprised
me.
Drew loves Texas, which we’ve
known, you know, since she was
with Luke Wilson.
I don’t know if she loved Texas
when she filmed Bad Girls there,
but she definitely loved Texas
after that.
So and.
By the time they did whip it,
she loved Texas.
Right, I always forget that.
Whip It, it’s coming back there.
Oh my gosh, that’s right.
So she’s filmed quite a bit
there and she keeps saying that
she had a house in Austin, but
we don’t know anything about
that.
Yeah, like we just kind of were
like surprised by that
information relatively recently.
So OK, let’s move on to the
Drewism of the week.
I feel like we haven’t had one
for a minute.
We sure haven’t.
You know those cool little isms
that we do?
Because it has been so long, I
was kind of excited when she
said this, but I also felt for
her because she’s like going
through some serious
perimenopause bloating.
Yeah, and I love that.
She’s being so transparent about
it like she is.
I saw another episode the other
day, not this one, where she
stood up and like showed where
her like belly was on her pants
like really pulled it tight.
She’s like, this is what I’m
dealing with.
Yep, I saw that.
I know and I love because it’s
just cracking everyone up and
she’s just like.
That is so real, she’s
frustrated with her body.
Clearly.
So let’s listen to her talking
about that.
Today, without being honest
because I can’t fake anything.
OK, go go there.
I am so bloated that I feel like
some carp that got brought up to
the.
Beach.
And I’m just that dead.
Fish, though.
I love the face she makes, like
puffing.
Her I know I wish we could like
show the face in the podcast,
but we’re just audio guys.
Sorry.
One day, maybe video.
But it’s good.
It’s, it’s a great Drewism we
had, we had missed it, Drew.
Yeah, we sure have.
OK, so let’s get into the first
of the many, like Hole mentions
that come up here.
Let’s go into the kind comments
corner.
So sweet.
OK, we have a lot to say about
this and this is going to be
like how we how we get into it.
But we’ll start with the
comment.
This comes from Melissa Auf der Maur,
who was the bass player of Hole
in the like mid to late 90s, I
guess.
And she and Drew had a wonderful
connection during those times.
And I just love how she
described having Drew around
during this era.
Me too.
Meanwhile, there’s this starlet
Hollywood starlet in our midst,
which was very exciting for.
Rocky, I didn’t see myself.
Well, you were.
Very exciting that’s I mean you
were like to have you this
beautiful Pixie Stardust around
us.
Oh God, because when Courtney
would enter the room, I’d be
like, OK, here we go.
Let’s.
You know, we love, we love her
being referred to in any way.
Pixie Stardust.
Beautiful.
Pixie Stardust So seems like
like a Melissa thing to say too.
Also, yeah, we can gush for a
minute about this.
Oh my God, like interview and
appearance.
It was so awesome.
It was so good, like their
connection, like they both
immediately were kind of in
tears seeing each other.
They had so much to relate to
each other about as moms, which
was so cool.
Yeah.
Then because Melissa has always
been like, quite the shutterbug,
she brought so many photos from
like 94-95.
Holy shit.
We’ve just losing our minds over
the years.
It is so.
Cool.
So freaking cool.
Also I feel like I was surprised
knowing like how close they
were.
Like, I don’t think I had really
gotten.
I don’t know.
I hadn’t known that.
I don’t.
Think you know, there’s that one
interview that what’s his name?
Nardwaur.
Narwaur, Yeah.
Narwhal?
Nardwaur.
No, I think it’s Nardwaur.
I think it’s Nardwaur.
Yeah, that he did at
Lollapalooza in Vancouver, where
it was very obvious that they
were like had a close
friendship.
I’d like posted a clip of that
not that long ago.
And then what was the other
reason?
Oh, when she goes back to
Letterman after the flashing, so
the 1 immediately after she says
that like she’s like, oh, Mel
here with me or something like
that.
So.
But yeah, you’re right.
It’s not I I don’t think we
heard about it that often.
It’s not nice talked about in
interviews.
But it was so sweet.
They were very tender with each
other.
Like it.
Yeah, it was.
I just wanted to be like in that
sandwich like.
I know.
And I thought that this was
really interesting, like,
because I don’t know that Drew
has ever spoken about like, the
kind of what was going on with
the band when she came around,
when she started dating Eric.
But she, you know, she actually,
like very clearly said, you
know, Kurt Cobain just died.
And Kristen Pfaff, the original
bass player, had also just died
of an overdose.
I’ve never heard her talk about
this.
Yeah, I don’t think I realized
those were like close together.
Oh, OK.
Like in time.
Like very close.
It’s crazy.
So I just thought it was really
neat.
I mean, not that it’s a good
thing, but I’ve just to hear her
talk about that, which is so
new.
She’s never done that.
And then also, I loved how she
and Melissa were talking about
how there was all this death and
darkness around the band and
they sort of felt like this
almost like responsibility or
like honor of like bringing
light to the group.
So cool.
That is really cool, our little
picks a little beautiful Pixie
Stardust helping bring the light
to this dark place.
So cool.
Oh my gosh.
So I do have her memoir, like
I’m on hold from the library.
I already like, kind of
searched.
There’s not that many mentions
of Drew in it.
But she also has a photography
book coming out later this year
and that that is going to have
Drew.
Yeah.
I’m excited.
Cool.
All right, so before we get into
what’s other things that are
new, we’re going to go back in
time a little bit and see what
happened this week in Drew
History.
Again, another Hole hole.
We’re going to jump into April
already on board with this.
That means black haired Drew is
around us.
Yeah, yeah.
She attended the premiere of the
movie Primal Fear with Courtney
Love and Eric Erlandson.
Little whole sandwich she was in
on the red carpet.
So she was there probably to
support Edward Norton.
They had just filmed everyone
says I love you.
I think that makes a lot of
sense.
And notably, this is the last
time that she was ever pictured
with Eric.
So this is like what we kind of
use as our, what would you say
like guide, like a host of like.
Like a book, not a bookmark.
Like a book end.
Yeah, like this is a bookend.
This is when we think they broke
up soon after this.
It’s also only two weeks before
she went and filmed Scream,
which is really interesting to
think about.
Weird.
And the big thing was like all
the media.
Like I remember MTV had a
segment and a lot of magazines
made a big deal out of the fact
that Drew and Courtney both had
dark hair and they weren’t
blonde anymore.
Famously blonde, right?
How many clippings do we have?
But I feel like doesn’t Courtney
Love say something like in the
like when they’re walking the
red carpet like I.
Think she says we’re much better
behaved as brunettes or
something like.
That that sounds familiar.
That sounds familiar.
But of course, like clippings
talking about it.
But yeah, people who are like,
famously blonde and have been
and then suddenly like, coming
out as these, like, dark, like
goddesses.
Totally.
They almost look like they kind
of coordinated their outfits,
like they’re both wearing black
Blazers with silky cream.
And flowers in there.
And the flowers in their hair,
yeah, that’s really cute.
I realized how similar their
entire outfit was.
But that’s a great poll.
I always love A961996.
Will come up again a little bit
later.
I’ll tell you that now.
All right, OK, so let’s get into
what’s new with Drew.
Here we go with the news,
everybody.
OK, I feel really vindicated
with this first one.
So way back in April 2025, on
the podcast, we reported a
guess, a hypothesis that Drew
was going to have a cameo in a
movie that was coming up called
Outcome, directed by Jonah Hill
and starring Keanu Reeves and
Cameron Diaz.
Because Matt is, I always
forget, is it Matt Bomer?
Is that how you say his name?
He is also in the movie and he
like was on Drew’s show and very
quickly you would almost miss
it.
Said like, oh, we just filmed a
movie together and we’re like, I
remember.
You pointing that out, I do
remember this discussing this.
So I was like, what did he just
film?
Oh, and when was this filmed?
Oh, Drew was in LA.
You know, put the pieces
together.
And yes, it’s true, she is in
the movie as long as well as
lots of other people.
It’s like got a huge cool cast.
So it will premiere on Apple TV
on April 10th, which is very
soon.
Oh yeah.
The trailer is out now and you
can see Drew in a very short
moment.
Like we have no concept of how
big or small her part is.
I don’t even know.
Like he’s playing like a
fictional movie star.
So you’re not sure if she’s
playing herself or a character?
No one else seems to be playing
themselves, so probably not.
But yeah, it’s they’re in this
like, beautiful golden light and
they’re just sitting, her and
Keanu sitting together, talking
about babes in Toyland.
I was.
Just gonna say Babes in Toyland
reunion.
I’m like, they’ve come a long
way from singing Cincinnati in a
not-Jeep.
In a in a in a film that was
randomly filmed in Germany.
So fun.
So I guess next episode we can
probably report on it.
That’s crazy.
Yeah, good point.
Cool.
So good.
Like little detective.
Work like a year ago.
Very proud of myself.
Yes.
OK, so this next thing is really
exciting.
I’ll go ahead and take this, I
guess.
Yeah, it’s been a while, I feel
like.
So there’s a new magazine cover
feature with our girl on a
magazine called Rue, which I’ve
never heard of, but it’s the
spring 2026 issue with a feature
of Drew’s upstate New York home.
The photos are by David
Englehart, and they’re really
cute.
I’m have you gotten it yet or?
No, I need to get to Barnes and
Noble.
I had a dream about looking for
it, but but you know how we’ve
been like dealing with trying to
find magazines lately.
It’s become a very depressing
and arduous task.
So I’m I like confirmed with
them.
They say they’re at Barnes and
Noble.
So I’m really crossing my
fingers.
So that is true and that they
have this issue.
I hope so.
Please pick me up a copy.
I will.
I was going to.
I was going to suggest that I do
that.
Yes, Yeah.
We only get a few pictures of
Drew herself, but I loved that
there was like so many tattoo
peaks and all of them, we love a
tattoo.
You’re getting all cozy in her
home, but you have a funny
follow up to this being her home
like.
This is so weird.
So the whole feature there’s
like dozens of pictures of the
house, this really cool article
talking about how she found it
and blah blah blah blah.
As of yesterday, it’s being
sold.
I like randomly came across that
info today and I’m I’m like
having whiplash because like, do
you think she did this magazine
to to feature the house?
I don’t know.
I don’t.
I don’t feel like she would do.
That I don’t either.
But I know that’s the thing with
Architectural Digest, like,
well, a lot of times people know
that couples are gonna get
divorced when they get featured
in there.
They’re trying to get publicity
for the house before they split
up and sell it.
Whoa cuz it could be like
featured in?
Our digest, Yeah, the video that
I found for the listing
literally says like Wall Street
Journal featured home because
the Wall Street Journal had an
article about it, which is
behind a paywall.
Hi guys.
Just a quick editor’s note to
say, we have a little quote from
the Wall Street Journal that
explains Drew putting the house
up for sale so soon after
purchasing at.
She said that the overhaul they
did on the home took longer than
they anticipated.
And then during that time, her
family’s needs had changed,
leaving them without this need
for the countryside sanctuary
that that home provided.
But we will say a little bit
more about this home.
Enjoy the episode.
But I was able to find the
listing for the house and it’s,
I mean, it’s sure as hell Drew’s
house.
Her, her stamp is all over it.
The the best part?
I found something so exciting.
Yes, I.
Know, so I’m looking at all the
pictures and I’m like, oh,
there’s a there’s like a family
member picture.
Oh, there’s you know, Dolores
Costello.
Cool.
And then I see like, oh, there’s
John Barrymore on the mantle.
And I zoom in a little more, and
right next to this picture of
her grandfather is the picture
of her great aunt Ethel that we
gave to her for her 50th
birthday.
Yay.
I can’t even believe it.
Like, shocked and amazed and
honored.
I got very, like, touched about
it, just seeing it on such a,
like, right in the middle of her
fireplace Mantel.
How cool.
Is that, I mean, if you guys
don’t know, we’ve been lucky
enough to spot things we’ve
given her in previous home
photographs, particularly Carson
Terrace.
But this was cool to see.
Yeah.
It’s like one of the coolest
things is for us to know that
she’s been able to, like, really
appreciate something you’ve
given her.
Like, I mean, you know, we’re
giving her stuff of her family.
Like, we’re just kind of like,
tugging at her heartstrings.
Like, it’s not surprising, but
it’s also like, wait, that’s us.
We.
But you got to think how many
gifts is she given on the
regular?
Hundreds I’m sure.
And to know that like we are
getting it right to the point
she’s like displaying it in a
prominent place in her home
makes me feel like we’re doing
good.
We did a good job with that
birthday gift.
Yes.
And we had no idea where we’re
going to come across this.
We Ashley, did not know we were
going to find out Drew was
selling this house.
That she just featured like all
of this was a surprise.
As of today, as of a couple
hours ago.
So thanks too for enjoying our
gift and totally baffled about
this house sale and.
Yeah, great find.
Thanks.
All right.
So lastly, before we get into
the Q&A, there are two new
episodes of Hollywood Squares
that came out last week.
Last week and the week.
Before.
OK, so the 15th and 16th episode
of Hollywood Squares have been
released.
I have watched them.
They’re great.
OK, let’s go through the bonus
round facts.
These were both pretty random,
OK #1 true or false?
Drew owns a hot air balloon.
False.
I liked I sent you like a
screenshot of Drew’s face when
the person was like, gonna say
true or false and she had a look
on her face like, you better not
think I actually own a hot air
balloon.
Yes.
And then true or false, Drew has
been arrested for shoplifting
False and like it almost.
I almost could believe it like
when she was like 12 or 13.
But I think we would have known
about that by now.
Right, I guess.
Did she get caught shoplifting
or is that just in the movie?
See you in the morning.
Oh, yeah, you’re right.
It does happen.
And maybe that’s why I’m like, I
bet it could have happened when
she was 12 or 13.
Yeah, it’s in that movie.
It is, right?
Yeah.
But I don’t, I don’t think she
was arrested anyway.
Yeah, the answer is false.
The answer is false.
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So are we ready to get into the
questions that have been asked
by some of our listeners?
Let’s do it.
Let’s do it.
OK, so you have kind of sorted
these into categories.
So we’re going to start with
questions about Drew’s career.
It’s always kind of fun for us
to just like, I don’t know,
spitball some of these things,
right?
OK, so the first question, do
you think appearances by Luke
Wilson, Bill Murray and Tom
Green on Drew’s show are any
indication any of them may
appear in the new Charlie’s
Angels film currently being
written?
I, I mean, I don’t know.
My thoughts are I have no idea.
It would be exciting if like
maybe like one of them would
appear, but I doubt it.
From that list, I could only see
Luke making any sense.
Tom Green obviously has weird
feelings about Drew because he
unfollows and follows her on
Instagram, and he blocked us for
unknown reasons.
So like, I’m like, he’s still
working through something with
her.
Yes.
And Bill Murray wouldn’t.
No, I don’t think so.
But I could see Luke coming back
as Pete.
Yeah, that would be cute if our
angels are truly going to be in
the new one, which I believe
they are, but I we don’t just
don’t know and.
There’s, we don’t know, Yeah.
And that leads right into our
next question was, which was I
wonder if there’s any news or
updates to producing the
upcoming Charlie’s Angels movie.
So yeah, we don’t know anything
that you guys don’t know yet
other than the little hints and
clues that we’ve previously
reported on.
We’ve told you guys before.
We spoke directly to Drew about
it, and she, without saying it,
pretty much said it, but like,
they’re doing it.
So I would be very surprised if
she’s not involved with just
that conversation we had
directly with her.
Right.
Right.
And then recently, Lucy was on a
red carpet, and during an
interview, she said that she and
Drew and Cameron had just had
lunch together.
So hopefully that’s a good sign,
too.
Yeah.
I mean, we’re hopeful.
We’re very hopeful.
And we’ve like they’ve said for
years that they want to do it.
And now it’s just a matter of us
like getting the official
confirmation that that that it
is happening, that they are
doing it, you know, all that
stuff.
But basically, we know we it’s
very, very, very likely that,
yes, that Drew is producing it
and in it.
OK.
So next, in your opinion, what
are the odds that Drew will make
a return to the horror genre in
a lead role?
That’s a fun question.
I don’t know.
I would say I see her next lead
role or even like large role,
either being one of two things.
Something super like expected
like an Adam Sandler movie or
something totally out of left
field like maybe a horror movie.
Like I don’t think there’s going
to be something in the middle.
I think it’s going to be 1 or
the other I feel.
Like, I feel like I could almost
see her doing a horror movie
like, many years from now for
some reason.
I yeah, I don’t know why.
Like I can see her doing it like
as an older woman or something.
You know, did you see Uma
Thurman on the show this week?
She like, she’s promoting a
horror movie that she has like,
an interesting role in.
And I was like, I could see
you’re doing that.
Like, you’re totally right.
Like later on down the line, I
could see her doing just
something, just wanting to do
something so different than what
was expected of her.
Right.
But I guess I don’t know if it
would be a lead role.
I don’t know.
I’m not really sure.
I don’t have like a lot of
instinct here, but I I don’t
know, I mean I.
Feel like genre people would
love to have her back in the
game, of course, like she did so
many interesting genre movies
early in her career.
And then, you know, aside from
the smile to cameo, which I
don’t think really counts, It’s
been a long time.
So we’ll we’ll say we hope.
How about that?
Yeah, OK.
I like this question.
Did Drew keep any outfits or
props for many films?
So she has actually spoken about
this quite a few times, and she
says that she really almost has
never saved anything.
And she seems to kind of bemoan
it, which I’m like, yeah, girl.
Like that’s why we’re here and
that’s why we are preserving her
legacy because she doesn’t think
to do it.
We’re doing it for her, yeah.
Yeah, she does of course, have
the red cowboy hat that she wore
as Gertie in ET.
That’s like pretty much the only
major, you know, identifiable
prop.
She’s also mentioned once that
she saved this like random tape
dispenser from He’s just not
that into you.
That was like, I think it was on
her desk as a prop and she
really liked it.
So.
She asked.
She could keep it.
But like, I don’t even know if
you can see it in the movie.
That’s funny.
And we know she has a couple
wigs.
Like supposedly she has the Full
Throttle hot dog on a stick wig
and it was reworked into a 51st
Dates wig.
Supposedly.
Supposedly, yeah, but yeah,
that’s about it.
So we I’m, we have more from her
movies than she does, truly.
Yeah, I like that question,
though, because I like thinking
about it.
I love when people say that
they, like, saved something from
a film.
I know.
Oh, my God.
I just thought of the like, who
was it that came on her show who
had taken an, like, a paper
towel from her house?
Leslie Bibb.
Not a paper towel.
It was a yeah.
That was hilarious.
Yeah.
It was really fun.
I love.
And I think that we Drew must
have said this.
I’m pretty sure she said it was
one of the towels that she
bought for her wedding to Tom
Green.
Yes.
Remember how all the napkins
were, like, thrifted and yes,
like a vintage thing?
Yeah.
OK, so the last question in the
Drew’s career category, where to
watch Ever After please?
So it is currently streaming on
a few platforms.
It’s on Disney Plus right now.
And also you can rent it from
Prime Video for 299.
Just buy the DVD and have it
around.
Yeah, or it’s Blu-ray.
The Blu-ray has a really pretty,
like very different artwork on
it that I don’t think I’ve ever
put it in my my Blu-ray player,
but I’m sure it’s exactly the
same as the DVD.
Yeah, probably.
They never spend time on making
those things cool anymore.
No they don’t.
Sadly, a thing of the past.
Let’s get into some stuff about
Drew’s life.
We’re going back diving head
first into the whole hole.
So this question was, does DB
ever talk to Frances Bean Cobain
anymore?
And remember when this came up
earlier this year when she did
that show track star on YouTube,
it was the first time forever
that she’s mentioned being
Francis Bean’s godmother.
So.
But we do have reason to believe
that Drew might have attended
Francis Bean’s wedding in
October 2023 because on
Francis’s Instagram, she has
like little photo dumps.
And one of them is a picture of
Drew at a table with a rose in
like candlelight.
And it looks very similar to one
of Michael Stipe take that she
posted soon after the wedding.
And we know he officiated the
wedding.
So I feel pretty confident that
Drew did go to her wedding,
which is really sweet.
It is really sweet.
I love to imagine it so much.
I love to imagine their
relationship even though we know
like yeah nothing about it.
Like I know, but and also like,
oh it this just hit me.
What a neat full circle thing.
Because she was the flower girl
at Drew’s wedding to Tom Green.
Oh.
I forgot that, yeah.
That’s really cool.
So yes, we believe they are in
touch, which is very nice and
makes us feel warm and fuzzy.
Yeah, it really does.
OK, so then more we’re still in
the whole hole.
What do you know about Drew’s
relationship with Courtney Love?
Why aren’t they friends anymore?
We get asked this a lot.
So we have like a theory about
how Courtney had like acted out
at Drew and Tom Green’s wedding.
It’s kind of funny you just
mentioned.
That three times in like 5
minutes.
Oh my God, according to Tom’s
book.
And she like heckled Tom’s dad
during a speech and made like
some loud and rude remarks.
And as far as we know, that’s
the last time that we have like,
any evidence of Drew and
Courtney being together.
So like that it’s for me, it was
kind of like went hand in hand,
like, oh, maybe after, you know,
this is per Tom Green’s book.
We don’t know.
This is all allegedly.
But maybe after she acted like
rudely towards Tom’s family,
maybe Drew was like ready to
take a break from her.
And that break continues.
I was very interested to hear
the really cool things that Drew
had to say about Courtney when
Melissa was on the show.
Me too.
I mean, there was not at that
time, especially in the 90s,
which was really the onset of so
many male oriented bands.
There was not this woman, this
force like Courtney Love.
I mean she was jaw-dropping when
she walked into a room.
You were blown back.
She has such a for such a
presence and an intellect that
can slay the most smartest
dragon you’ve ever met.
Do not ever mess with that woman
on a book or a subject or a
historical or an art.
The woman is the most well read
person I’ve ever met.
She is brilliant.
I love that little aside.
Yeah, it’s so.
I mean, clearly Drew still has
respect for her.
And I don’t remember if you
noticed this, but Courtney did
post recently because like
Courtney’s all of a sudden on
Instagram again and she’s like
very active on there.
And she reposted a video of Drew
on Watch What Happens Live where
somebody called in and said tell
me a crazy story from about.
The thing about the like them
going to a door and be like my
face is the backstage pass that
thing.
Yes.
So I kind of love that Courtney,
like, posted that recently.
I don’t know.
I would not be surprised at all
to find out that she was going
to come on the show.
I think that would be a win, win
for both of them.
Like publicity wise, so many
people, we get asked this a lot.
Like so many people are
interested in their friendship
and what happened.
Why did they lose touch?
Yeah, people would be tuning in
for that.
So my fingers are crossed that
that happens.
And I think Melissa’s appearance
could be like the bridge to
that.
Yeah, that’d be fun.
So the rest of the questions are
kind of more for directed at Ann
and I, you know, our opinions or
our favorites or whatever.
So let’s get into those.
The first one is this is a very
specific question.
What are your top three favorite
songs from the Charlie’s Angels
soundtrack?
So I went through on IMDb like
every song that’s in the movie.
I didn’t just use like the ones
that made it to the official
soundtrack and my choices would
be smack my bitch up because the
use of it in the movie.
I think I went on and on about
it, our Charlie’s Angels
episode.
Like I love it so.
Freaky.
So perfect.
Song 2 by Blur, which is just
like such a fun song, so great.
And then all the small things
Blink 182 because it makes me
like super happy.
And I think about the end of the
movie with the bloopers and.
Yeah, I love it.
I love your choices already.
I just had to say I always get
pumped when I hear Barracuda.
So I don’t know if it was my
list maybe I would replace.
I don’t know.
I love the all the small things
but I might replace that with
Barracuda as like a pump up.
Sort of like song.
Yeah, I almost I almost put that
on the list cuz it is so.
Barracuda, Barracuda, so good.
OK, so next question for us, did
Drew somehow influence your
musical preferences?
I love this question.
The first thing that came to my
mind was The Strokes, because I
definitely got into the Strokes
when she was dating Fabrizio
Moretti.
And like, I might have anyway
because they were very much in
the ether and they were all
around.
And I, you know, I was listening
to K Rock and of course I was
going to listen to The Strokes,
but I feel like I got really
into them because of her dating
him.
And I mean, I still really love
them.
Like I tried to go see them when
they came to Vegas last year and
I did not have any luck and I’m
still mad about it.
But yeah, they.
So that’s the like first one I
think of, but there’s definitely
been so many songs like The
Beatles song.
I will, you know, like I went
and found that when I knew she
liked, right.
Like I’ve definitely been
influenced by her.
Her musical taste is way broader
than mine.
Super broad she likes.
Everything.
She likes a lot of stuff and I
feel like she doesn’t.
She didn’t necessarily influence
my musical preferences, but I do
remember, I think I looked up
Mazzy Star because of her love
for the song Blue Light.
And if I hear that, of course,
me too.
Yeah.
So if I hear that, and I love
Mazzy Star, so I feel like me
too being introduced by her and
her story has made me like, yes,
stick with oh, my God, Like,
same.
But it would have been those
things.
Like, if I heard it, I would
have liked it anyway.
Like, maybe like what you’re
saying.
But like, I definitely still
blink it.
Like if I hear The Strokes, I’m
thinking of Fab and Drew, you
know, And if I hear that song
Blue Light, I’m thinking of Drew
and Erick Erlandson.
We’re in the whole.
Holy back in the whole We can’t.
Get out of it.
Get out.
Of it, yeah.
There’s just so many songs that
I’m like, oh, I know this
because of Drew or like she put
this in one of her movies and I
like it because it has that
affiliation.
Yeah.
She’s like a great person to
influence your musical
preferences and she still has
those.
Like I think there’s like up to
Remember when I like got on that
project where I like saved, I
did like a spreadsheet of all I.
Forgot that you did that.
So yeah, I mean her, her taste
is all over the place and she’s
a music aficionado.
Yes, she is.
OK, Next question is what’s your
number one item to get for your
collection?
So I think that means most
wanted item that we don’t
already have.
My recent in my mind I’ve been
thinking about this and I’ll
tell you why currently I really
would love to have a book from
her personal library with her
annotations We talked about this
I know yeah.
Because like in in style 99, she
said how whenever she finishes a
book she writes Dee Barrymore in
the front I think is what she
says and we know she annotates
the shit out of her books like
she’ll bring them on to her show
when she’s interviewing the
authors and like she’ll show her
personal copy and it’s like dog
eared underlined her writing is
everywhere.
That would be a dream to me.
And one of the reasons I’ve been
thinking about it lately is I
become friendly with the girl
who runs the Shelley Duvall
Archive.
Do you know?
Yeah.
And she just, like, at a
secondhand bookstore, found a
book that was Shelley’s, and it
was like, gonna be for a film.
So there’s tons of notes in it.
Like, Oh my God, that is the
dream.
Like that is incredible.
That’s so cool.
I mean, I’m basically basically
I would say the same thing or
something similar, but what I
just thought of as like an
annotated script would be really
cool.
Too totally.
Oh I would love that.
Like does she saved her scripts?
I I it’s so hard to know she’s
never.
And I’ll just go back to the
book thing, I guess.
She says she like never gets rid
of books too.
Yeah, it’s like, I know.
I thought about that when I was
this.
I’m like bled.
It’s never going to happen.
We’ll just have to ask her for
it.
Can you donate like one of your
favorite most annotated books?
And we will keep it in the
archive.
We’ll preserve it for you.
The other item that like is
another recent thing that I have
to mention is the butterfly
wings from Mark Seliger’s photo
shoot for U.S. magazine.
The issue that came out in 1997
but was shot in 96.
I recently lost out on those on
an auction and I’m still very
very sad about it And I’m like,
it was.
So crazy for them to come up in
the first place.
I know they were like perfectly
preserved, beautiful, and I
don’t know who bought them.
I don’t know who outbid me.
If you’re out there, please know
that we want them more than you
do.
Maybe.
It’s maybe it’s Drew.
Drew got them all right, fine.
She has them.
She’s a lot.
Yeah, this.
But anyone else this question
about like things we want for
our collection.
I feel like it’s always really
hard.
We like have so much.
We could go on.
For but it’s also like the
things that we want are things
almost that we don’t know exist,
you know, like that’s kind of
the hard thing, like because we
have such such big collection,
like if you think of it all as a
whole, it’s quite it’s quite
vast, y’all.
OK, next question is favorite Co
star besides Cameron Diaz or
Adam Sandler?
OK so I was just trying to think
like who’s my personal favorite
person who’s been in films with
her?
It’s got to be Matthew Lillard
who’s in Mad Love and Scream
even though they barely appear
on screen together.
They never speak to each other
on either.
Like she’s like outside the
window in Mad Love when he’s
like they share a shot for like
And that’s as much as I’ve
gotten because I just love him.
And I won’t go off on a tangent,
but I see him having this like,
resurgence.
What’s going on right now is
wild.
And like, I’m so happy for him.
You know what?
I was just thinking about that
picture, the like of the first
time you met him from like 99
and how like he’s always at like
conventions like that’s he like
does them a lot.
And I was thinking about.
The funny thing is that
convention was not a fan
convention.
So that was like an industry
only you had to have like a
badge you it was not like
something you could buy tickets
to and it was for video store
owners.
So like that’s obviously, yeah.
So all these celebrities would
come to like promote their movie
that was or whatever that they
had coming out on video.
And so like the studio would
send them funny.
So yeah, it was kind of like a
pre convention convention.
Now he does them all the time,
but I’m like, oh, like I met you
at one that wasn’t for fans, but
it turned me into fans.
He’s such he’s.
So sweet with fans.
My God beyond and he’s still
like every once in a while he’ll
message me on Instagram and I’m
just like, what is my life?
He’s like Milla is so grown up.
How is this happening.
I’m like, how do you know who my
child is?
So funny.
OK, so my answer to this
question, you made me think of
another one, but I I put Sam
Rockwell.
I mean, we I we always love
seeing him with drew.
I mean, this is different
because I’m talking about like
somebody that’s like the
connection.
But then when you said, like,
one of your favorite people, I’m
like, OK, Jake Gyllenhaal.
Also is like.
One of my favorite Co stars of
hers, but in a different way,
you know?
So that’s a perfect answer.
I guess if I was going to say in
a like as a Co star
specifically, I think Sam is
probably the best answer you
could give because like their
their chemistry is so good
together and I just love seeing
them on screen together.
So perfect answer.
Nice one.
I like that.
Yours was good too.
We.
Cannot mention Matthew Lillard
every once in a while.
He’s just so lovely.
All right, this one is.
What is your favorite?
Drew B?
Not Drewbie, Drew Space B era.
So I have like personal
nostalgia for 98-99 because that
is when I was becoming an Uber
fan.
So anything from that time I get
like sentimental about, but I
don’t feel like anything can top
94-95 because of the feeling of
excitement that I get when
something from that like bubbles
up or surfaces like, and just
how freaking cool, effortlessly
cool she was at that time.
What did Melissa call her?
A beautiful Pixie Stardust.
Yeah, yeah, like exactly that,
Exactly that.
Basically, I’m saying I’m going
to say the same thing as you.
I’m just extending the timeline
from 94 to 96 because of the
black hair and she still seems
like the effortless coolness.
I mean, it’s it’s so funny.
Like we talk about so much how
like time is so weird and how
like, you know, 98 is not that
long after 95.
But it feels like she was just
her career was changing so much
and she was like becoming this
like sweetheart more than this,
like Pixie, like wild girl, you
know, that she was in like 100,
you know, so totally different
vibes.
So I’m like the same.
We love the same.
And it’s funny because 96 is
like the bridge, right?
It’s where she, and we think
it’s because of her
relationships a little bit, but
she goes from the like wild, you
know, hanging with hole to the
like a little more sophisticated
and branching into different
types of jobs and all that.
And thinking about family and
like.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean.
Even like the dark hair sort of
like brings her into this like
different phase of her life.
Like, I don’t know.
Going.
Dark.
She’s like, I’m going dark.
I’m growing up.
I don’t know.
I love it.
I love it.
OK, second to last question,
what is your all time favorite
moment in Drew history?
This is really hard like.
That is, I was like, I wrote
impossible because like, how do
you pick one moment?
Yeah, but like, and this isn’t
my answer.
I’m just saying like where my
mind goes to automatically is
something where she was like
really honored or recognized.
So some of the things like I
can’t say these are my
favorites, but some of the
things I would say would be like
getting the Hollywood Walk of
Fame star in 2004, so special.
Like getting the Golden Globe
Award in 2010.
Even her 50th birthday episode
is really, really special.
Not just because we were there,
but like seeing her get to
reunite with the Wards and like
getting that honorary doctorate
or whatever wish that they gave
her.
Like, anything where she was
really like, given recognition
for being as awesome as she is
is very like, special.
I basically couldn’t answer it.
Like I’m like all time favorite
moment?
Yeah, I mean 1 moment.
I was like.
Oh, like I was like thinking
like, oh, like her flashing
David Letterman is kind of fun,
but like it’s not my favorite
moment in her whole history that
it’s really that’s a that’s a
great question.
But also, like you can see,
we’re interested in so much of
Drew’s history and like we have
a podcast that goes into so
much.
So I like the question, but it’s
it’s too hard.
We like too much of her long
public life and history like.
I mean, essentially almost 50
years.
Yeah, that’s hard to pick.
One little tiny break.
Right.
I like where you went though,
because then it’s like, you
know, that’s what we want.
We want her to be celebrated.
That’s what we’re doing.
So exactly.
OK, final question, and this
comes from the lovely Tony
Crago, who if you guys don’t
know, he worked with Drew as her
assistant for several years.
He’s been on the podcast twice.
He’s awesome and he’s very
supportive of us because his
question is, when are you going
to have DB on the podcast?
It’s time.
Good question, Tony.
I like your thinking, yes.
We are wondering the same thing,
but we do not have an answer.
No, but he did give us some like
helpful advice and support and
I’m not ruling it out.
I think it’s within our reach
and I think it will happen one
day.
That’s that’s what I got.
To say, and I think that there
is that like of course
manifesting that we’re doing,
but also like it feels very.
Possible.
Yeah, as weird as that is to
say, it does feel attainable.
Guys, somehow, somehow that that
is that is possible.
Somehow she knows who we are.
I know, that’s so crazy.
Crazy weird.
Yes, all right.
OK, that’s it.
That’s all the questions.
We did get like some other like
comments and some people like
trying to talk directly to Drew
through that, that Channel that
doesn’t work.
Guys doesn’t, sorry.
Much like the people who send us
emails about their beautiful
items not working the way they
want, You can’t.
You can’t send that stuff to
Drew through US.
We’re sorry.
We’re very sorry that we can’t
get your messages complaining
about her pants to her.
Or her her pants and pants.
As our most recent emails
stated, these people are a
little out there.
A little bit, a little bit,
guys.
Thank you so much for all of
your questions though these.
What we’re fun to do is just
kind of like something
different.
Something different, Yeah.
I was gonna say like kind of
change the format a little,
break it up a little bit and you
know, hopefully people enjoy
hearing U.S. chat with each
other and that’s really what.
This is exactly.
So thank you guys for your
questions.
Thank you for listening.
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How Do You Drew Episode 126 – Flower Films
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I’m Anne.
And I’m Ashley, and this week we
are discussing Drew’s production
company, Flower Films finally.
Yeah, finally.
This felt daunting, guys.
But I think we like knew all
along.
We had all this stuff.
It just was like, felt scary.
But this is big.
So we’re so excited to be doing
flower films.
Yeah, as per usual, like with so
many of our topics, I go, oh,
this is a lot.
It’s gonna be a lot of work.
And then like I start and it’s
just like, oh, I’ve got this.
She’s said so much over the
years about it.
Yeah.
All right, so let’s get into
some stuff at the top of the
episode.
So this is kind of a fun.
What do we even?
I think we should talk about
this.
OK, so I don’t even know.
Is it a tidbit about us?
What is this?
I got a text message from
someone.
I didn’t quite know who it was.
It turns out it was someone that
works with Drew on her team and
we were asked if we could help
donate something for her
daughter’s school for a charity
auction.
And so Ashley was able to like,
quickly come up with a spare ET
lunchbox send on over.
I mean by quickly come up with I
was like, I know exactly where
this is from, where I packed it
to go on the Drew Barrymore
show.
So here we go.
I had to have I happen to have
two and yeah, it was just a
really neat like I think we’ve
sort of bemoaned the fact on the
podcast that we used to like be
able to help out with things and
like no one’s really utilizing
us lately, but one of her people
utilized us.
So thank you.
That was.
Cool.
Yeah, thank you.
You know who you are if you’re
listening.
Yeah, I think the auction is
tomorrow as of the date that
we’re recording this.
So hopefully it goes for a lot
of money.
Yeah, that would be really nice.
I mean, it was just cool to be
able to leak.
Oh wow, like.
Yeah, neat.
Be thought of and participate.
Yeah, our archive is useful.
And it was very sweet.
We got a little note from this
person that works for her.
And it says DB is very, very
happy about this.
So yay.
You’re welcome, Drew.
We want to make her day shine
just like, how do I say that?
We want to make her day bright
just like she makes everyone
else’s.
Like it’s cool to be able to
like, I don’t know, give to this
person who gives so much.
To other people.
I don’t know.
We’ve always kind of done that.
That’s been our way with her.
We’re like, you take things like
we don’t you give us so much
already like.
It’s so true.
So we have a few things that
Drew has proclaimed her love for
recently.
I love, love.
Yeah, it’s a little shorter this
time around, but let’s get into
it.
Drew loves her past.
We do too over here.
Interesting.
Spend a lot of time talking
about it.
She loves her alone.
Time like Lucy at the diner with
her crossword puzzle in her
book.
Totally.
She loves a food competition.
That’s cute.
What do they call it on her
show?
There isn’t a silly name.
Competition, dish or some dish
competition?
That sounds right.
Something like that.
Yeah.
And she loves playing the art of
chemistry.
Yeah, I was just so good at.
Does she mean like?
ROM com queen.
Oh, OK.
I was, I was like, wondering if
it meant like like.
Yeah, chemistry like.
Science.
I figured it wasn’t that but I
was like does she mean I don’t?
She means the scene in Charlie’s
Angels where she uses all the
chemistry set up to make the the
hand.
Yeah, she’s met in lit in like
blue-green and we thought green
science lighting.
Yeah, we love that too, Drew,
when you’re playing the art of
chemistry.
OK, so let’s also get into what
happened this week in Drew
History.
OK, Saint Patrick’s Day, same
day that this podcast is coming
out.
Happy Saint Patrick’s Day, my
green loving friend.
I’m.
I’m wearing green.
Yeah, you are.
This has nothing to do with that
though.
It was March 17th, 2005 and Drew
was at Show West in Vegas.
So if you guys don’t know, Show
W was this convention for movie
theater owners and they would do
this like basically like actors
would come and they’d get
honored.
But a lot of times it was like
their studios were also like
promoting them.
It’s it’s kind of an interesting
thing they changed those like
Cinema Con Award.
Ceremony quote UN quote.
Yeah, yeah.
So.
Drew attended a Fox luncheon
there with Jimmy Fallon because
they were promoting Fever Pitch.
There’s some really cute photos
of them together.
And then this is the main reason
I wanted to pull this because I
kind of forgot about this.
She received what was called the
Distinguished Decade in Film
Award, which I think is like,
really neat if you think of the
timing of what that decade would
have been, 95 to 2005, because
that really is like, huge in her
career.
Like has she ever been bigger
than in those years?
That’s so cool.
I wonder is there like anything
like about what she like said
when she got the award like.
I was not able to find feeling
bang like anything.
It was very, very difficult.
It’s like 2005.
Internet isn’t really.
Around anymore?
Yeah, that’s true.
Oh, that’s cool.
Yeah.
And she’d previously won Female
Comedy Star of the Year in 2000
for Never Been Kissed.
I guess that’s where she, like,
also debuted the Charlie’s
Angels teaser trailer.
Yeah.
So she was definitely a big part
of that scene for a little
while.
But yeah, I thought that was a
cool award.
Yeah, that’s cool.
And she looks beautiful.
She’s like the dark brown hair,
which I know that like, you love
her as a blonde.
I love her with her dark hair.
And this time we like we’re
around her at least once in
this, like, time frame.
So I feel like I have like AI
don’t know, an attachment to it.
Yeah, makes sense.
Cool.
Nice pull.
OK, before we get into the
topic, let’s talk about what’s
new with Drew.
Here we go with the news,
everybody.
Well, we got to kick it off with
the hugest news is that the Drew
Barrymore Show has been renewed
not only for season 7 but also
for season 8.
So we have like 2 years that are
guaranteed ahead of us because I
don’t know if you know, but like
Kelly Clarkson and I think
somebody else recently, maybe
Jennifer Hudson, somebody else’s
shows got cancelled and everyone
was like, oh is talk show?
Is it dead like So?
I was very relieved when this
news came out.
Yeah, that’s great.
So exciting.
And that means we have two more
years to go visit again.
Yay, that’s.
Such a good point.
Like we.
Know where she’s gonna.
Be We know where she’s gonna be
true.
We know where to find you.
I’m sorry.
That’s not creepy at all.
No, you don’t need to be creepy.
We have direct access according
to her.
Remember, yes, always have,
always will.
Yes, exactly.
That’s what she said.
Guys, she said.
We have direct access.
OK, so this was really neat.
So on the Drew Barrymore Show,
Drew actually spoke for what I
believe is the first time ever
publicly about her George
magazine cover from 1996.
Of course, this is the one where
she’s done up as Marilyn Monroe
and the Happy Birthday Mr.
President vibes.
We have a whole Marilyn Monroe
and Drew episode from last year.
We definitely talk about, like,
a little more details about this
there, so you can go check that
out.
But it turns out that she’d
actually given a small interview
for a 2024 book called JFK
Junior in intimate oral history.
I think Val said, like, she
knows the author, and that the
author told Val that Drew was
the absolute last interview,
like barely made it before
press.
Yeah, like or printing was
happening.
That’s so cool.
They’re like, we got to get this
in.
Yeah, and thank God they did.
So I was able to, like, get it
from my library and quickly look
up.
There’s only two little
paragraphs from Drew, but
there’s, like, more people
talking about the cover.
But Drew shared that John JFK
Junior had called her and told
her his idea.
And she wanted to, like, get a
clear understanding of what the
vibe would be.
And when she learned that he
wanted to make sure that the
dress and the hair were right
and that the tone was going to
be playful, she was, like,
totally into it.
And she says that she was
terrified to try to portray
Marilyn, which is so funny
because it’s like not that long
after doing sugar in Batman
Forever, which is like a Marilyn
homage.
Yeah.
But she tried to channel Marilyn
and make it perfect for John.
And she loved how the issue came
out.
So it was just so like, we love
that one.
It’s one of those weird.
Like there’s literally 2 photos
in the magazine and that’s all
that’s ever come out.
So it’s kind of like it’s, I
don’t know.
It’s real special.
Yeah.
It’s like it’s own.
Thing.
Yeah, very much.
OK, so a couple other new things
before we get into the topic.
It’s kind of cool.
Like, we get a little like, flow
of new things because Drews in
the, you know, daytime
spotlight, she’s in the
spotlight.
So Drew LED a conversation with
Valerie Bertinelli with 92 New
York to celebrate Valerie’s new
book.
It’s called Getting Naked.
Yes, yeah, well, you can watch,
I guess you can stream it for
$25.00.
But we’re both like, that’s a
lot of money.
But Drew looks beautiful in the
pictures that went up on Getty.
I’m guessing they didn’t let
people bring their phones in
because there’s no like, tagged.
Photos.
OK, I’ll say something about the
look really quick.
The shoes look totally like a
show wearing them.
I love these shoes.
These are totally my vibe.
Yeah, don’t they look like?
I feel like they remind me of
something from like 94.
I think they might look like the
ones she wore to that
indiscretions play.
I just 19. 95 I just like as you
were starting to say it, I
started like really like think
of the blue silky dress.
Yeah, yeah, you’re totally
right.
It looks like those and she I’ve
seen her.
I’ve seen them on the show
recently and thought like those
look like something else from
her past and they love pinpoint
it.
But yeah, they’re very cute.
One other thing I just want to
quickly say about Val’s book is
that she’s like, you know, they
did a whole like 2 part episode
on the show promoting it, which
is really sweet, right?
And you know, Drew was
commending her at some point for
a lot about the book.
And Val says, well, you know, I
had a lot of help.
I couldn’t have done this
without Todd Gold.
And then Drew’s like, I know
it’s just crazy.
Todd Gold, he wrote Little Girl
Lost and I’m like that we just
talked to him.
That’s so cool.
Like if you Google Todd Gold,
Little Girl lost right now, like
our videos come up immediately,
which is so neat.
I know.
I would love to think that
Drew’s seen our talk with him.
I hope.
I just like thought about that.
I don’t know why I hadn’t
thought about that before.
That’s wild.
And also, I think we knew that
Valerie Bertinelli knows Todd
Gold, right?
Like did they write a previous
book together or they’re.
Friends, or at least one.
Yeah.
It was fun to learn that he also
did this book, so that’s so
cool.
Go, Todd.
That’s fun.
It’s a fun connection for a
Drew and Val.
It is.
I’m interested to read it.
I mean, I think it sounds like
it’s like an honest, I don’t
know.
Yeah, I’ll probably get to it.
I like celebrity memoirs, as I
often talk about on the show.
In fact, right now I’m waiting
for Christina Applegate, so I’m
also very excited to read that
one.
Yeah.
OK, just a couple more things.
Hollywood Squares, there’s been
a little bit of a short break,
so just you guys know it is
coming back.
I think it’s actually coming on
tonight, the day we’re recording
this.
Yeah.
And as of right now, according
to like press releases, there
will be at least 21 total
episodes for the season, and
they’re currently scheduled to
air through May.
So we got plenty more to come
and we will be doing our fun
little segments about those next
time.
Yay, I just watched the last two
that we talked about on the
previous.
Episode OK.
Finally caught up on those.
Yeah.
Such, so much fun.
Guys.
I know we’ve said it before, but
we love having like the daytime
Drew and this like, sort of like
nighttime Drew.
Yeah, she’s kind of getting that
out of her sometimes.
These last two I watched like
there were multiple times where
like they’re like Drew, that’s
too much for the beginning of
the show.
Like, I don’t even remember what
it was, but it was like, this is
Drew’s outlet.
I think somebody says you’re
someone’s mom and she’s like
forget.
Everything.
Oh yeah, yeah, that’s right.
I remember that.
So the last thing that we have
is that Us Weekly’s newest Love
Drew feature is coming.
Thankfully, Yay.
The Dear Drew column was posted
on their website already and
includes a question about
flirting from our friend Katie.
Hi.
Katie, Hi, Katie.
That’s.
Cool, I feel like she’s.
She’s like, OK, I guess I have
to do that.
I’m like, yeah, she’s done it
before.
She had a question in True
Magazine too, so that’s I know.
So potentially this will come
out in the May 23rd issue.
It’s not like a previous or
current issue.
It’s something that’s maybe
coming up so.
Yay, I’ll be watching.
And I love that we know it’s
coming up.
Yes cuz we missed them so
quickly.
I think I got the last 1 I
think.
I have, I think I’ve had to get
the last three on eBay. eBay
because I keep missing it.
It’s I.
Probably missed some, but you
know what?
They’re in the Jerusalem because
you have them.
Like that’s right, all okay.
It’s all okay, guys.
We take care of each other.
Right.
I’ll just say one more thing
about that.
I love paper.
Yeah, yes.
Not as weeklies paper though,
no.
No speaking.
Of paper, I’ll just say one more
thing, actually kind of going
back to Hollywood Squares.
There was a contestant who was
like a map librarian from Los
Angeles Public Library.
Was still waiting for Drew to
say something about.
That I was like, especially
’cause he’s like, I have a
Thomas Guide or like whatever he
says, I was like.
I like to think that she said
something and it just got cut
for time.
I know.
Anyway, I was so like, that’s so
up Drew’s alley of like
something she would think was so
cool.
Yes, exactly.
I thought of her rubbing the.
I thought I’ve is it this?
Paper.
Paper.
Yeah.
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I love getting involved
creatively in everything I do.
I definitely have another side
to me that is business savvy and
that loves to be able to get in
there, you know, with a bunch of
men and, and have a group of
women that are totally on it and
that have great ideas and, and
are getting things accomplished
in this world.
Power to me in this business is
not having to crawl and campaign
and like, you know, drive
yourself nuts every night and
take it personally and go home
and just feel like awful.
So that was Drew talking in late
production company, Flower
Films.
And I thought it was just a good
way to kick us off because it
really, you know, this is like
such an old clip of her talking
about it.
We’re really going to talk a lot
about the beginnings and the
origins of the company.
So yeah, let’s start there.
OK, so a note before we like
dive in because there’s a lot we
could potentially do with this
episode.
We have episodes that go deeper
into the productions of many of
Drew Drew’s films that Flower
was involved in.
So we’re just going to list some
here because there’s a bunch.
For more details on those, check
out our episodes on Scream, the
Wedding Singer, Ever After,
Never been Kissed, All of the
Other Reindeer, Charlie’s
Angels, Donnie Darko, 51st
Dates, Fever Pitch and Whip it.
That’s amazing.
We’ve done for all of.
I know I was feeling really
proud of that too.
Guys, we’ve been around for a
minute.
I know, but a lot of those we do
really talk about those like
beginning early production
stages and what Drew went
through to like, get it off the
ground.
So, you know, we could have gone
into all of that here.
That’s going to take too long.
But if there’s a certain movie
that you want to know more
about, like what was her
involvement or what was she
doing or you know what, how did
that go?
Yeah, head on over to all those
episodes and I’ll link to all of
them on the episode page on How
do you.
Awesome.
Wow.
I feel proud.
That’s cool.
OK, so let’s get into the
beginning.
So we’re just like literally
we’re like looking at where the
like buds of the of like flower
films are.
Yeah.
Like it hadn’t, it hadn’t opened
up in bloom just.
Yeah, that’s just, I didn’t.
Even realize I said buds and
we’re talking about flowers.
I thought that was intentional,
I mean.
You’d think I was that clever.
Anyways, so the inspiration to
start the company, we’re
starting there.
We have talked about this also.
So Drew was very inspired by how
Lynda Obst, which is the
producer of Bad Girls, how she
handled the production of that
movie.
She says who I am is because of
Lynda.
She talked about that on the
Drew Barrymore Show episode.
Like the Bad Girls themed
episode of.
That Yeah.
And Lynda, like, sent a video
in.
She’s since passed away.
So it’s like.
I was realizing that.
I’m glad Drew had that moment
where she got to like have a
little video from her ’cause I
remember she was really excited
about it was super sweet.
Exactly.
So a quote from Drew from 1997,
she said somehow Lynda managed
to be holding the hand of
stuntwoman who got hurt on the
phone with the studio, fighting
for what was right for the film
and dealing with all the
bullshit that would go on
between the actresses.
I thought, I don’t want to be
that that guy who stands on the
sidelines and complaints.
I want to get in there and make
a difference.
That’s cool.
So she was like really inspired
by this, like Strong.
An awesome lady.
Who was, like doing all this and
problem solving?
It’s such an image in my head
too, because of like just the
production of bad girls.
It’s just like the turmoil,
like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So.
It does need to have that and
like know a bit.
Have we?
We’ve covered bad girls, right?
So we no.
No, we haven’t.
We just have talked about it a
lot, right?
When, when did we talk about?
We must have talked about Lynda
when she passed.
Yeah, we talked about Lynda a
handful of times.
Yeah, OK, so bad girls will get
eventually.
Event.
Yeah, I guess.
OK, so let’s listen to a little
audio from inside the Actors
Studio.
That was the movie that really
changed my life in a weird way.
Well, started getting ideas and
I started getting excited about
the process of like getting
involved creatively.
And I met a producer on that who
I could see her on the phone all
the time fighting for these
battles and whether she would
win them or not.
I thought, Oh my God, what if I
was like fighting for battles
and I could win some.
I know I’d lose a lot, but God
like what if I could?
And I just all of a sudden
everything clicked and I was
like, I’m going to be a
producer.
I love that.
I love that.
I love the look on her face.
Yeah, she like has this like
epiphany, realization face.
I don’t know the like Eureka
faded out face.
I love that.
And it’s also just like, so
cool, like a badass woman in
Hollywood inspiring another
badass woman in Hollywood.
Like, yeah, we need more of
that, yeah.
Totally.
Drew has also said, I was like,
that’s what I want to do.
I want to produce.
I want to be a problem solver.
Yeah.
And she’s also shared the fact
that after losing everything in
her career, she’s always been
afraid that it would somehow be
taken away again.
Like this is always.
Something she still.
Talks about yeah, yeah.
It’s like, thank God the Drew
Barrymore Show just got renewed.
For two, of course, because she
probably was fearful that it.
Was like not going to go that.
Way I’m sure every day she’s
worried that it’s going to go.
Away totally.
She says.
That.
Yeah, I know.
But she also said that she
thought, well, maybe if she
created things for herself, they
wouldn’t have the chance to go
away so quickly.
So totally makes sense to like
also, you know, I don’t think we
really put this in here, but
this is at a time where she’s
being like kind of typecast as
these like lethal Lolita’s and
these types of roles.
And she’s like wants to create
some new opportunities for
herself and forge her own path.
Right.
And we talk about this a lot in
the Marilyn Monroe episode
because of that whole like how
connection they have.
When Marilyn kind of did that,
it was to take control of her
career in a way that like no
woman had ever done, right?
So cool, so cool.
All right, so the this is really
interesting.
Buckle and guys, we have some
very weirdly exclusive secret
details that we.
Just discovered, yeah, this is
like public record stuff that
Ashley dup up, this is cool.
So Jaid incorporated what was
called Drewid Entertainment,
spelled DREWID.
Not, not that.
Not catchy.
No, not really.
I I mean I like how it sounds.
Druid sounds fun.
Drewid entertainment in December
of 1982.
So crazy.
ET was out for the summer and
then they were like, all right,
we need to like put this money
into something, I guess, which
is like.
Yeah, and it’s weird, like, I
don’t, it’s not the trust.
Yeah, it’s not the trust.
But the only thing we know
about, like, the only place
besides the, like, public
document I found of the
incorporation was that there
there was this dispute over
something with no place to hide
that film.
Yeah.
And somewhere in an article
about that, it references the
contract documents for Drew,
say, Drewid Entertainment.
So, like, interesting her deals
were being done through that.
I don’t really know.
I’d love to know.
More maybe it’s some kind of way
like for her to protect
something like yeah, amazing.
So.
So cool.
From that, the name was amended
to Flower Films in July of 1994,
which when you think of it’s
only 12 years, which that’s
weird.
That it’s weird.
It’s weird, but that’s also like
a huge amount of her life.
So Drew said that she chose
Flower because she’s a hippie.
I’m a hippie now.
She originally wanted Daisy
Films, but Marlo Thomas already
had that name.
I know.
And I was like, that’s the woman
from St. Jude.
Like what a weird full circle
moment.
I wonder if she talked about.
It yeah they had like some event
that they did yeah not that long
ago Drew decided that it was OK
because flower means all flowers
she’s.
Like she never wants to leave
anybody out, no.
She’s like, this is great.
It’s perfect.
Like flower films, it’s so
simple.
But like, I mean, of course it
is that.
So how can we imagine being
something else but like?
No, but it really does.
Like, I love how she even talks
about her movies as being like
these flowers she’s planted.
Like, it just works on so many
levels.
And then she was able to like
take that name and do flower
beauty with it, which was like
another amazing way to do that.
Also just real like wildflower
like just like it’s just her
vibe, flower beauty perfect
like.
Yeah, so good.
So cool.
So I love I love that
transition.
Weird transition from this like
old incorporated thing to flower
films.
I know.
And it gives us like, the
official date, like July 94.
Flower Films is legally a
company, like, so cool.
Yeah.
Do we know?
OK, Do you remember exactly when
Mad Love filmed?
Because I’m just curious.
Like how soon?
Very close to this time.
Like OK in that time.
It’s like during June.
July.
Oh my God.
So she, like, came back.
We’ll talk about, like, the
connection to Mad Love, I guess,
Right?
Yeah, I’m sure.
So anyway, that’s cool.
Cool.
Cool to think about how quickly
that moved.
OK, so now we get into like the
characters that were involved.
OK, so this again is sort of
erased from history.
People don’t really talk about
this so much, but originally it
was Drew and Kim Greitzer, and
Kim was Drew’s assistant.
She started with her around 1992
and they started flower films,
the two of them.
And I have a cool quote from
Interview magazine 1995.
Drew said.
It was like this amalgamation of
two spirits.
We wanted to work hard and we
didn’t want our sex or our age
ever to be held against us.
We just wanted to, like, fucking
go forth with our dream.
And our dream was to have a
production company.
It’s 2 girlies wanting to make
good movies with people who are
passionate.
And I never thought that I would
be into this side of the
business, but I found myself
really into it.
We’re very much on the same
wavelength in the business
sense.
We sit down with like our iced
teas and cigarettes at our desks
and we just plow through the
day.
So this is like how it was
beginning, Drew and Kim.
But during filming of Mad Love
in summer 94, as you said, Drew
met Nancy Juvonen.
She was visiting her brother, I
think her brother supposedly
worked on the film.
He doesn’t have a credit or
anything, but that’s what, like
Jim.
Yeah.
Jim Juvonen.
Okay, like Jimmy.
Yeah, and soon after this, Drew
called Nancy, left her a
voicemail, or I guess it was
probably on her old school
answering machine and dared her
to come to LA and join Flower.
So, you know, it was it was Drew
and Kim.
And then Drew was like, oh,
let’s bring this Nancy lady in
here, too.
And Nancy mainly started as
Drew’s, like, personal
assistant.
She was like running errands for
her.
Nancy did too.
Yeah, cleaning the pool like I
feel like, I don’t think.
I remembered that.
Yeah, Drew and Kim became the,
like, heads of the company, and
Nancy was like an assistant.
You know, it’s crazy.
That’s amazing.
Nancy said she got tired of the
grunt work, and she told Drew
that she was going to
concentrate on reading the
scripts that were piling up.
So Nancy kind of went, I think I
can bring more to the table than
just going and getting your
prescriptions from the pharmacy
and cleaning your pool, Drew.
It’s amazing.
OK, So I love this like this,
these things that get into
Nancy’s personality.
So Drew could describe Nancy as
a compulsive organizer.
And she converted one of the
rooms in Drew’s house into an
office with a fax machine and a
Rolodex, and they were quote,
off to the races, UN quote.
So she made that like happen.
And then Drew also said she said
a couple things about Nancy.
So I love these quotes.
So a diary which we’re dying,
dying to get diary dying.
For diary.
She said.
We share a creative brain.
She’s very organized and
thoughtful and meticulous and a
great leader.
And I’m an emotional, weird
actor.
And then she also said you can’t
walk into a room without Nan
diagramming it, charting it, and
figuring out how it all was
supposed to go.
I love how well that fits with
the compulsive organizer turning
this room into the thing.
I think it’s even more than the
room.
It’s like she just was like, I
feel like she was kind of just
sitting back watching.
And she has a vision.
I can.
I can do this, Yeah.
I can make things happen.
Here, Yeah.
And the last note we have about
this like crew is that we don’t
really know the reason why, but
Kim stepped down around late
from there.
So she kind of helped the early,
early days of it maybe like pre
incorporation, right?
That’s what we’re probably
imagining, yeah.
I mean, I would love to know.
It has to be.
More.
But you know, we, we gave Kim
the opportunity to comment on it
and she has opted not to and
that’s totally fine.
So one day maybe we’ll, we’ll
break her down now.
Just kidding.
No, we would love to have her on
the podcast that we’re talking
about and we want to know what
happened.
I mean, we, I don’t know, like
we know nothing.
Yeah.
I mean, what we know is probably
more than anybody listening has
really heard before.
Like we’ve pieced this together
very, very slowly over the
years.
That’s true.
That’s true.
OK.
So Drew and Nancy, they’re ready
to like start this company, get
it going.
They spent like 2 to three years
at the beginning was just them
trying to learn everything that
they could and educate
themselves.
So they started with a laptop
computer and a notebook full of
phone numbers.
They poured over scripts.
They met with agents and studio
executives.
They figured out what actors
they’d want to work with.
They thought about what young
audiences wanted to see.
And I thought that was a really
interesting, like, you know,
very specific point because I do
feel like a lot of their movies
are for younger audiences.
And Drew herself was, I mean,
she’s 19 when she forms the
company, right?
So she’s a young person.
She’s like targeting to herself,
her.
Audience It is weird to think
about that though, because it’s
like, but you’re right, I mean,
she wants people to have fun at
her movies, right?
That’s like always way of her
thing.
So they had amassed a number of
scripts, books and pitches that
they wanted to develop into
movies.
So this was like earlier on they
were like things were kind of
ideas were coming to them.
In 1996, they took a cross
country RV road trip and they
dictaphoned or recorded
themselves the whole way.
Movie ideas and writers they
produce.
God, I would love to hear those
tapes, Nancy had said.
I don’t know if the tapes
produced any real ideas, but
they made us feel like we could
do it.
We can make this happen.
I.
Love that.
Yeah, it’s so sweet.
And another fun quote from Drew
is she said, we just studied,
studied, studied.
So they’re like just working
quietly, you know, just the two
of them, we think, yeah.
Drew also said everyone wants
that producer plaque on their
door, but it takes an
extraordinary amount of work to
get there.
It takes education and research
and really going to the College
of Film and Production, their
own version of college.
Yes, of course The College of
Life or whatever she’s called
Yeah yes OK, so this is like one
of the points while where she’s
like kind of practicing.
They quietly worked on scream
the wedding singer and after
after without taking credit, but
they were quote getting their
feet wet and getting involved.
So there we go.
They were kind of getting their
way.
They’re making their way.
So this is exciting.
This is like moving forward.
So they signed a first look 2
year deal with Fox 2000 in
August of 1997 and we have a
couple quotes from people at
Fox, which is neat.
So Bill Mechanic said that Drew
didn’t want a helping hand.
When I suggested she move Flower
over to Fox, she didn’t jump at
it.
So it was like she had to think
about that if she wanted to give
up any power at all.
Right, Makes sense.
Yeah, exactly.
And then Laura Ziskin said.
I felt in my bones the first
time they came into my office
that they knew something.
So cool.
They’ve been studying for three
years.
Laura, they better.
They do something.
Yeah, I like how Nancy describes
it, she said.
We pitched them like 9 projects
like any other producer would
and told them what we were
looking at for the future and
they invited us to have a first
look 2 year deal.
So cool.
Now now we’re really like off to
the races.
Like truly now things get start
getting big and real.
Yeah, yeah, totally.
OK, so they start to really,
like, get established by the
late 1990s, and they get their
office on Sunset.
By 1998.
It’s described as MTV meets
Romper Room, the walls painted
yellow and green and midnight
blue and decorated with photos
and movie posters and amusingly
large 45 RPM record of Yellow
Submarine.
And then there’s like another
really fun description about it,
decorated like a funky coffee
house with board games on the
shelves, bowls of candy
everywhere, and a snifter of
brightly packaged condoms in the
reception.
Perfect.
Perfect, right?
Yeah.
So we have seen some photos of
this office at Marie Claire
magazine did a really awesome
spread of Drews bulletin board
that she had in her her personal
office at the time.
Oh my God, it’s like the amount
of time I’ve spent looking at
those pictures.
I need to be like.
But we also got video footage
because Ruby Wax, who is like AI
think she does like a UK show
even though she is very much
like East Coast from America.
But she’s so funny.
So she went there in 1998 and
did like a tour in an interview
with Drew.
And then the aforementioned
diary from 2001 also did a
really great tour of the office.
And luckily there is like a
separate cut of just the office
tour that’s on YouTube and we
have that, which is amazing.
But yeah, this, those
descriptions of the way this
office looked like feel very
accurate.
Like it was very like playful
and like kind of messy, but in a
really like, fun way.
I always think of like Courtney
Love.
I think it was on the celebrity
profile.
She’s like a little Drew, like,
can she get do this?
And then she’s like, I go up
there to get inspired now.
Like it’s so amazing in there.
That’s so cool, I love that.
And you need a place for all the
ideas and the creativity that
stirs inside of you.
You need an outlet and this is
that place.
So cute.
And so for the first few years
they had an all female staff,
which we love.
But then Chris Miller came on in
Chris, and he started as Drews
assistant and just like Nancy,
he worked his way on up through
the company.
Like I know he was president at
some point.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Talk about an important person
in the history of flower films.
Like he was hugely important.
So important, like we don’t have
a ton of notes about him, but we
have to like note like his
coming on was a big.
Deal and he ended up like
producing things on his own and
stuff and it’s amazing.
I mean, if you guys don’t know
who Chris Miller is, we mention
him all the time, but he’s
running this night show now.
If you’re if you’re brand new to
this for some reason, we that’s
where he’s gone like he Chris
Miller’s the best.
Yeah, we love him.
We owe a lot to him.
I was also just realizing met
him two years after he had
joined Drew.
Oh yeah, he was like a baby.
That seems so, but it also like
kind of explains why like we had
such comfort for such a long
time because I was like a baby
when I met him and he was a
baby.
Wow.
I hadn’t even graduated high
school, but anyway.
Another person who joined in
Ember has worked with Flower on
and off forever since then.
So like, she’s also one of those
like mainstays and like we have
to mention her and she’s even
produced some stuff on her own,
but like under the Flower
banner.
So we’ll mention those a little
bit later on.
OK, we went kind of want to just
mention what their logo looked
like at this time.
It was really cute.
It was just this like little
hand drawn simple flower.
The first time I remember seeing
it is at the end of all of the
other reindeer and there’s like
Jingle Bells playing as it like
swipes across the screen and
it’s so cute so.
Cute.
It’s like typewriter font, all
lower case.
Yeah, and the flower on it.
We talked about getting this
tattooed for a long time.
Oh, I forgot about that.
Oh my gosh, I feel.
Like we did and I feel like I
remember thinking I like I
wanted to get it like maybe in
white and I was like I didn’t
want to get it outline and now I
don’t know tattoos better.
We still haven’t gotten a tattoo
together that’s.
We’ll get there.
We’ll get there.
But yeah, they’re like
stationary was very like, what
would you call this paper, you
know, this kind of stuff better
than.
I do.
It’s like craft paper.
It’s like it looks like a paper
bag.
Basically recycled, almost left
to it.
We’re lucky enough to have a
couple examples of this in our
collection, just a few things
that were mailed to us over the
years.
And they also used to do really
cool Christmas cards every year.
It was like a different theme.
They often featured, like, the
dogs of the company.
Yeah.
And it was just like, this is
sort of like the heyday of this,
like happy, feel good company to
me.
Yeah, totally.
I just thought it would be fun
to mention that some of the
Christmas cards were featured on
our episode of Collectors Call
because we’ve got some in the
Jerusalem.
Yeah, they like those.
So it’s just like a fun, fun
little like thing.
And I love that we have some
like flower films ephemera.
Me too, I’ve always loved it,
it’s one of my favorite things
in our whole collection.
So cool, they’re so special.
Yeah, they really are.
OK, so some of the notable films
that they worked on for years
but never came to be.
This happens all the time in
production companies.
We just know that these ones
like production, production,
production hell and then
nothing.
Got like mentioned for years,
yeah.
I was.
I feel like there’s another one
Surrender Dorothy or something.
Oh yeah, that one still comes
up.
Yeah.
OK, no idea so.
We’ve got some of these notes on
a couple though.
So all she wanted is a the story
of Brandon Teena, which Boys
Don’t Cry was made and that
ended up being a competing
production, like hugely
competing.
And if you guys don’t know Boys
Don’t Cry, that’s an amazing
movie.
So that would be hard to compete
with anyway.
And also, I didn’t note this,
but Diane Keaton’s company was
like going to work with them on
that.
Like I believe her company
brought it to flower which is so
interesting.
Interesting.
I think I remember you saying
something about that.
But it’s fascinating.
But I remember this being
mentioned.
I think Drew was thinking about
playing Brandon Teena.
Absolutely.
The whole time that was the
plan.
Wow.
I know.
Imagine that.
I can imagine in 95, I can’t
imagine in 98 when they were
literally like, this is our next
movie we’re going to do.
Right.
OK, so another really
interesting movie, Frigid and
Impotent.
So I think we’ve talked about
this a little bit.
I think we’ve talked about this
movie more than anyone on the
planet has ever talked about
this.
You know the movie was going to
be a dark comedy about a serial
killer couple on the run.
They would have worked alongside
Michael Stipes production
company on it with director
Gregg Araki.
Which it would have been so cool
if Drew was in a movie directed
by Gregg Araki.
This would have been a weird
one, but it was one of the
projects that Drew originally
pitched to Adam Sandler when she
met him.
Like she thought this would be a
great film for them.
That would have been such an
interesting turn of her career.
That is one of those like what
could have.
Been it would have been.
Really edgy.
Yeah.
And we have learned that there
are a lot of documents regarding
this movie in the Academy Museum
collection at the library,
right?
It’s called the library.
Yeah.
And so luckily there’s like a
good little write up of
summarizing what the items are.
But there’s like, fun.
I cannot wait to go see these
one day.
There’s like letters that Drew
was writing to Gregg Araki.
And yeah, you can kind of see
like she has like ideas for
casting.
And then it comes to a point
where she’s like, for the sake
of my career, I have to let this
go.
Like New Line is not working
with us.
Like it’s not going to happen.
It’s crazy.
I we could do probably a whole
episode on that.
And yeah, we haven’t even seen
them.
And yet the archivist who did
that, that collection really
went extra on describing it.
It was cool.
God, I know, so cool.
So, you know, those are the what
could have been, but we all know
the first official productions,
and there were actually 2, both
released in 1999, which I just
love that they’re like, boom,
boom.
Yeah.
So those are, of course, Never
Been Kissed.
And all of the other reindeer,
again, we have deep episodes on
both of those, but let’s just
talk about Never Been kissed
because obviously that was a
much bigger deal.
Yeah.
Drew said the work was so much
fun.
It was so great.
It takes up every second of your
time, and you never get upset
for a second.
In fact, you’re like more more
more hours in the day and again
from Fox Laura Ziskin said that
they were full service producers
involved in everything.
So like there’s a lot of fun
stuff that we mentioned, I’m
sure and are never been kissed
episode about this.
But Drew really like she took
this one seriously and they the
movie came in on time and under
budget and it was like we were
given a chance and yes, we
succeeded and now we can get
another chance.
Like it’s a really good deal.
Yeah.
Huge deal.
And she was stoked.
Yeah, it worked out.
And that film, I mean, you’ll
hear in our episode, but the
film was like, well received.
People love that filming, yes.
So let’s kind of jump to the
early and mid 2000s.
We’ve got a couple incredible
things come out, guys.
Quite a few Charlie’s Angels,
which we just did our episode on
and check that out.
We talk a lot about the
production of that and Donnie
Darko, which of course we love.
That was like one of the first
films we covered on this
podcast.
Really, I feel like it was the
first year.
We’ve always loved it.
You can hear us gash about those
elsewhere, but we love both
these films.
Angels.
Charlie’s Angels was a huge big
budget production with everyone
watching tons of pressure and
Donnie Darker was kind of the
perfect anecdote and reset after
that.
I love to think about those
dichotomy.
Absolutely.
They’re filmed back-to-back.
Like I know that Richard Kelly
like came to the set of
Charlie’s Angels to like
withdrew in her trailer.
Cool.
And it’s so they are so
different.
I love that.
Never Been Kissed, Olive,
Charlie’s Angels, Donnie Darko.
Like very different projects
from each other, you know?
Wide range of yeah.
And it’s interesting how it sort
of felt like that was the way
they wanted things to go, but
that’s not really where things
ended up going, I guess.
Like, yeah.
So over the next few years they
had really big releases, but
we’re we have the sequel,
Charlie’s Angels, Full Throttle,
yeah, Duplex, 50 First dates, Fever
Pitch and music and lyrics.
And these are all like a little
more similar I would feel.
Right to each other than like
the first few, yeah.
And then Drew also executive
produced and directed the
documentary.
The best Place to start.
I don’t know if it’s like
technically a Flower Films
production.
It’s not in the credits that
way.
But she’s the executive producer
and like her people worked on
it.
So I’m like it counts.
Yeah, those kind of things are
interesting where like it’ll be
a company and not her or her and
not the company, right.
She’s.
Not a producer on that.
Movie on her own What?
Or nor is Adam Sandler, we
realized like neither other of
them was on their own.
So it’s like what did they just
give like full like everything
kind of fell into the production
company.
I don’t know have we covered?
Best place to start in any way?
I don’t feel like we have No no.
I would love to though, it’s so
cool.
It’s about, it’s all about
voting guys.
It’s very interesting because I
remember like watching it, I
was, you know, younger than her
obviously, and feeling like,
feeling like uneducated the way
that she did, you know?
Anyway, it’s really good.
I loved that and it was very
personal.
I got to see a lot of like
personal footage of her.
OK, so late 2000s, early 20
tens, they moved to an office on
Santa Monica.
That’s an office we got to
visit, which is we went to
sunset too, I guess.
Do we even?
See that?
You’re right, We didn’t even
mention that We were a little
more invited to the Santa Monica
Yes, yes.
So the office on Santa Monica
had this beautiful red door.
Oh yes.
It was very nondescript though.
It was just like a white
building with a red door.
Yeah, it wasn’t labeled at all,
but I feel like I feel like it’s
very how do I wanna say this?
Like the old office is like dorm
room, kind of like fun and
hungry hanging hippos games and
stuff like that.
And then the office on Santa
Monica is like the grown up,
more mature, beautifully
decorated, still all the like,
fun photos and stuff like that
on the walls, but like it’s the
more sophisticated version of
flower.
Fells yes.
I mean, one of the things I
remember about that office, they
had these chairs, these like
beautiful yellow chairs that
were like upholstered and I had
one in my bedroom that was
almost exactly like that.
Do you remember the like?
Pictures.
I actually pulled a picture of
the yellow bathroom with the
chair because it had John
Barrymore’s photo on it.
I pulled a picture for the
episode.
OK so I completely forgot about
this but the office was featured
in Domino magazine in April of
Minutes.
We do know that a lot of the
furniture pieces in this office
building were sold.
You did this like sale that I
still don’t understand or
remember why we missed out on
this, but a lot of the pieces
that you can see in the domino
feature were sold and like where
did they all go?
None of them have ever come back
up for sale anywhere.
Like, yeah, it kills me.
Those chairs with the FF
calligraphy, those were sold.
I’m like, I would give anything
for those.
Like who has those?
I want that I know what the
hell.
Hopefully someone with the
initials or something or like.
I just hopefully not somebody
reupholster.
Them.
I was just going to say that.
OK, So some new faces who ended
up becoming kind of important
longtime employees came into the
picture at this time.
So Kelly Smith, Omar Lagda,
Mason Hughes and Tony Craigo,
who we have two episodes with.
So we got pretty friendly with
Mason and Tony when they were
working with Drew.
They were all just such like
mainstays.
Omar still does like video stuff
with Drew every once in a while.
But yeah, they were both just, I
mean, they were all just like so
important.
Like any, any of the films.
You can see them on the set, you
know, they were just like a part
of.
It’s so funny how it went from
like an all female staff to like
all gay guy staff.
Basically female they’re female adjacent.
So also they had Brent Kyle who
joined and we believe that Brent
designed the current the new and
current flower films logo
because he did a super similar
design for Drews tattoo on her
arm for breeds.
So if you see it, it’s got the
same kind of outlining font and
he did the Whip It title
graphic.
So we think he was responsible
for their new look of their
thing and it’s stuck.
Yeah, it’s still there.
It’s really.
Cool.
Yeah, Jimmy Fallon.
I feel like more than once I’ve
seen pictures of him wearing
T-shirts with the new Flower
Films logo on.
It I want AT shirt.
Me too, I’m like how do we get 1
T?
Shirt Come on, Jimmy Fallon,
you’re listening, right?
Just because you’re married.
To one of the Co founders.
Come on.
Yes, so well, some other big
things that they did at this
time, they did the huge ensemble
piece.
He’s just not that into you with
like it’s kind of crazy when you
think about some of the star
power of that movie, like right
part is so small.
I don’t really think about it
that often.
I probably seen it like.
Ben Affleck in.
It Ben Affleck, Jennifer
Aniston, Scarlett Johann
Scarlett Johansson.
Yeah.
I know I feel like I’ve only
seen it once, maybe twice at the
best, but it’s I remember it
being kind of enjoyable.
But it is a huge ensemble.
You’re right.
And like, what A what a big deal
for them.
Like, that’s amazing.
I think it made money.
And then more importantly to our
hearts, Drew’s feature
directorial debut, Whip It.
Yeah, Whip it.
It was.
It was literally the first movie
we ever covered on the podcast.
Yes we did over 2 episodes.
Yeah.
It’s so cool that this like
producing for a while and then
finally she got to produce and
direct.
I know.
And just, like, imagine the
whole crew, like helping her out
with it.
It’s just so, yeah.
I mean, one thing I thought of
just like going back to like
Domino because there were there
were pictures where you could
see like her, like the wall.
Of yes, her inspo picture.
Yeah.
And I think about when I think
about with it, I think about her
like putting together her so
like vision boards and all that.
Totally cool to like see it in
the office, in Domino, like in
the background.
Like so neat.
So so neat.
I also drew directed a music
video slash short film for Best
Coast called Our Deal, and a
bunch of the flower people
worked on that as well.
Again, I don’t know if it’s like
technically a Flower Films
production, but I’m counting it
as well.
Yeah.
And it’s so fun.
We’ve also covered this.
We did an episode on on the
music videos.
And then we did get a bunch of
productions that are not
starring Drew.
So this was like a little kind
of like run of stuff.
Yeah, I don’t think I’ve seen,
I’ve seen these things.
None of them.
OK, so just admitting this guys,
we love horror films.
We absolutely love Drew.
We just haven’t watched all
their projects.
So they did some small horror
films called happy Camp an
animal and they did a ROM coms
called How to be single.
And then for TV, they did a
Charlie’s Angels reboot, which
is so interesting.
A couple reality shows called
Tough love and knife fight.
So haven’t watched any of them,
but they were doing work.
So I feel like it’s this is a
lot of like Chris Miller time,
right?
Yeah, definitely Miller Time.
I think I actually did watch
Tough Love.
That feels like something I had
on my TiVo and it I don’t know,
it just it doesn’t have that
like flower film stamp on it.
I’ll just say that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then like this is the reason
that this episode was so like
origin heavy is like the last
few years or even gosh, more
than that, like the late 20 tens
to now.
Yeah, it’s sort of like what is
flower films these days?
It’s not as clear of an entity
as it used to be.
They did release a couple more
things without Drew.
There was a movie from 2017
called Freak Show that Drew,
Nancy, Chris and Amber all have
producing credits on.
Is that?
Another horror movie.
No, it’s it sounds pretty cool.
It’s like a very like queer
friendly movie about like a boy
who runs for homecoming queen or
something.
Oh, cool.
Yeah.
And then like I said, Ember on
her own did a skateboarding
documentary called Stay on the
Board, The Leo Baker story that
came out in I want to see this.
Yeah, I remember we would talked
about wanting to see it.
We haven’t yet, but I think it’s
on Netflix so cool hard, but
that’s like under their banner.
And then for TV, there was a
Food Network show called Star
Plates.
Crazy.
Didn’t even know.
No TLC had a show called Rattled
About like new parents, and
Netflix had the animated
Princess Power that Drew did
with Savannah Guthrie.
Yes, of course.
So they had, I think sure Drew
did the voice in a couple
episodes.
I think it’s like a one episode
thing.
I still haven’t.
Watched that yet either.
OK, so let’s get into like the
final thing.
So final credits that Drew acted
in are the three seasons of Sam
accorded diet, which that was
like tons of content, which is
so great.
We will get into that at some
point.
I know I keep, every time I
think about it, I’m like, how
are we going to approach this?
It’s like a such a different
thing for us to cover because
it’s like so much content.
You might have to do like, I
don’t know, like similar to how
we did 2000 Malibu Rd.
Except that was 6 episodes
period.
Yeah.
Yeah, we might have to like do
it like in bigger chunks with
something like that it.
Might be our summer series, you
never know.
Anyway, Speaking of things, we I
haven’t watched The Stand in.
I will get to it eventually, but
that’s the last film that Drew
released and starred in and it
never went to theaters.
No it never went to theaters.
Came out during COVID.
I watched that movie and could
not believe it was a Flower
Films production.
It just makes no sense.
It’s a really weird project and
it just doesn’t feel like them.
I will eventually watch it, but
there’s still exciting things
going on.
The flower films world.
It’s just sort of like really
different, like you said.
So Drew’s businesses started to
operate under the Barrymore
brands, quote UN quote.
So Chris Miller, Tony Crago,
Mason Hughes and others like
worked under that name.
So they became like the
Barrymore brands kind of team,
but the like presently the
Flower films productions does
the Drew Barrymore show.
So we’re, you know, we’ve got
six seasons going on eight
seasons of that.
But that’s also like hugely, you
know, CBS.
So like, I don’t know beyond the
name what what Flower films does
and her team and then Hollywood
Squares, which of course we
love.
So we’re stoked on like the
other things they’re doing.
But TV, of course, is so much
different than like, producing
film.
So I mean, she’ll get back
there.
I know she will.
The other big question, though,
was like, where is Nancy in all
this?
Like, right, you know, we have
this 2017 movie that she has a
credit on, but other than that,
it’s like, I have no idea if
she’s even technically part of
Flower Films anymore, which is
so weird.
When Drew talked about her
really recently, like there was
that clip, did she kind she
still call her her partner?
I guess she’s saying her best
friend.
She, well, I think she said
both.
And that is crazy that that clip
came out like as you’re getting
ready to do this episode and
like, how does this happen so
often?
So fun.
I know.
So we, you know, I think that’s
maybe maybe that’s why we kind
of like held off.
We’re like waiting for like
flower films to like, yeah, have
some like finale or, I don’t
know, finale, but like have like
have like have a wave.
I don’t know.
They made an Instagram account
like 4 years ago and there’s
like nothing on it except like
their projects in the
highlights.
Like it’s all so mysterious
these days.
It’s.
So interesting.
I’d love to know like what’s in
the Flower Films archives, you
know, beyond just a million
scripts that were sent to them.
But like, you know, I don’t
know.
It’s fascinating to think.
About that, yeah.
We used to remember.
We used to just imagine they had
like a room of movie memorabilia
cuz they would like they would
give us stuff.
It’s like, where’s this all
coming from?
They must just keep it all
somewhere.
Have a room full of it.
I mean, probably, you know, they
get like a.
Bunch of promo stuff, so let’s
just wrap this up with a little
clip of Drew explaining why she
loves producing.
I love having creative control.
I love being in charge of my own
destiny.
There was a few years where I
made a few films that I thought,
oh, this is different than how I
thought it would be.
I had this original intention in
my mind and it’s it’s quite
different than that.
And, and I sort of got obsessed
with the idea of, well, what if
I could see that vision through.
And I love problem solving.
I feel so good about the end of
the day if I’ve done something
to make someone happy, but I
also feel really good that I
have a place to put what keeps
me up at night, which is this
fuelled creativity.
I don’t know if it’s good, but
it’s inside of me and I have to
have somewhere productive and
cathartic and healthy to put it
out.
And so producing enables that
for me a lot.
I love that.
I love that we’ve finally gotten
through flower films and
blossomed out the end.
The garden is blooming well, and
it’s just so freaking cool that
I’m going to do this.
I want to be in charge of my own
destiny.
I am going to figure out how to
do it all on my own without any
real help except from like,
other cool women.
And yeah, like, look at what
they’ve done.
Yeah, I like.
That’s one thing Drew says on
that.
It really recently she’s like,
we’ve been doing it 30 years.
Like, you know, it’s amazing.
Like that’s that’s cool.
Like she like made her own
destiny.
Like her having done that, I’m
sure is why she has the career
that she has now.
It would be a little different
if Frigid and Impotent happened,
but.
And boys, don’t cry Slash all
she wanted, yeah.
Yeah, all of that like that
different, I don’t know, but
it’s it’s cool.
This is this is an important era
that continues in Drew’s life.
Yeah, and we’re so proud of her.
Yes, we are.
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How Do You Drew Episode 125 – Detour, February 1998
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I’m Anne.
And I’m Ashley, and this week
we’re discussing Drew’s cover
feature from Detour magazine
from February 1998.
Oh, that’s our year A.
Fave.
Too our origin year.
It is our origin year and this
is such a good one.
Oh boy, I can’t.
I’m surprised it’s taken us this
long to get to this.
But before that we have so much
other stuff to get through.
So yes, get into.
It let’s start at the top.
One thing I want to mention is
that last time we did our 51st
Dates episode, which you guys
haven’t listened to, it was a
really sweet and fun one.
And I missed this connection
that one of the uncredited
writers who did script revisions
on 51st Dates was Babaloo Mandel.
And like, when I saw his name in
my research, I just kind of
like, I mean, he sounds like a
like an Adam Sandler guy, right?
So I was like, oh, his name’s
just familiar because of that.
No, that’s not why he wrote
Fever Pitch.
So.
That’s crazy.
Like her two back-to-back films,
like the same guy wrote them.
It’s like or worked on them in
some capacity.
Yeah.
So that I thought that was neat
and we had to point that out.
Babaloo.
Babaloo, sorry about leaving you
out buddy, but.
That’s fun.
I know we were like and a bunch
of uncredited people.
It was like just kind of swept
it.
But yeah, that’s cool.
I like those little details.
I am tidbits galore.
Right.
All right, let’s get into this.
Like what crazy pictures that
just got posted on Drew’s
Instagram?
Oh my gosh, It was like a trend
I saw.
Reese Witherspoon did it too.
It’s like, mom, what were you
like in the 90s?
And then it just posts a bunch
of photos.
But unlike Reese’s, which were
just like Getty Images.
Right.
Theresa from her archive so
Karina, her social media girl
just happened to pull like some
we’d seen before.
They’re still amazing, but
they’ve like been shared.
And then there was three we have
never seen in any capacity that
just floored us.
All like are they all 95 or is
Yeah, 9495.
It’s like, we’ll just, we’re
just, Oh my God.
I mean, we could just talk about
them a little bit.
I don’t even know how to like.
One of them is definitely an
outtake of something that we had
seen before of Drew with Eric
Erlandson from Interview
magazine.
Oh my gosh.
It’s so cool.
I like it is weird.
It just does feel like an
outtake, even though it’s not a.
It’s like a personal picture.
But I was just like, Oh my God,
this is like the same day in a
different picture.
Like how incredible after 31
years for that to appear.
I mean clearly her social media
gal has like no clue that these
things are like not shared
elsewhere.
I have my phone here because I
wanted to read.
She actually sent us a message
because we reposted the video
just like Oh my God, these
photos.
And she messaged us and said,
oh, I know it’s good when even
you don’t have the photos.
Wow.
It must be like, just give us
all the photos.
Give us access to them all.
They’re probably on like a
Google Drive.
Damn it, I.
Know I’m thinking so too.
So if you guys go to the episode
page, we’ll all three of the new
ones up there.
They need to be seen and they
need to be adored, and we’re
going to talk a little bit more
about that reel in a few minutes
because it had some great
comments on it.
Oh, cool.
Yeah.
I will just say, like, one of
them, she’s holding a cat.
One of them is on the phone.
Like, everything about all three
of them is just so great.
And her Pixie cut.
All the props.
We can’t.
Yeah, we can’t.
All her props.
Yeah, All the props from the
photo shoots, from her personal
life.
Exactly.
They’re so incredible.
We’ll never.
We’ll never stop loving these
sharing of old photos that we
haven’t seen.
Will never.
Never, never will never not just
be the most exciting thing to
me.
So cool.
So thank you, Karina.
Yeah, we’re sharing things that
you don’t even know are cool.
You don’t know how good you
know.
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that?
We’ve got so much other cool
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Slash Adi Drew.
OK, should we get into what Drew
has proclaimed her love for
recently?
I love, love.
All right.
These are, like, nice long ones.
Like, none of these are simple,
OK?
Drew loves a Neil Diamond.
He’s the guy who does Sweet
Caroline, right?
I think so.
I always think of her in fever
pitch.
Speaking of fever Pitch, she
loves a honey Maple ham, OK.
Being in charge of her own
destiny.
Love that.
Yeah, that’s definitely a
lifelong theme for her.
She loves problem solving what
heated rivalry is doing for the
world.
I have yet to watch it if you
watched.
It I have been inducted into the
club thanks to my girlfriends
and it was really fun.
You would like it.
I’m sure I would.
She loves transforming old
objects into something new.
OK, Keke Palmer.
OK, the name Roxy.
OK.
Being an open book.
So her.
Billy Bob Thornton.
William Robert Thornton.
Sorry, Jared and I have been
doing that lately because we’re
watching Fargo, the show.
I like it.
She loves mint chocolate chip.
OK.
And finally, corn dogs.
All right, I like a veggie corn
dog.
Makes you think of hot dog on a
stick from Full Throttle all.
Right, let’s go into our mail
bag and see what we got in
there.
You’ve got mail.
This is a comment on Spotify
from the user soft dress and I
know that user also follows us
on Instagram.
So hi to you and thanks for this
comment.
Yes.
So she said had to run over from
your episode page.
Just say I always make sure I
can listen to your episodes when
I’m able to have the episode
page open to follow along with
the visuals.
Really appreciate that they’re
in order of mention.
I look forward to it every time.
Thank you Soft.
Dress so Marcus at Charlie’s
Three Sexy Sluice kind of got
that conversation going and then
soft dress was like me too.
So I really appreciate that even
if it’s just two people that
they like that I put them in
order of the way we talk about
them because it’s really
important to me because I’m
crazy like that.
So I’m glad there’s other people
that feel the same way.
I love it so much and we just
like we’re always like, go to
the site, see that pictures,
like you spend energy on that.
Yeah.
It made me kind of wish, like,
our YouTube episodes could have
the visual elements, but I
honestly feel like we’d need
like someone like another person
to do that for us because like,
we’re already so bogged down.
Or we’d have to make a
slideshow.
Every time, which just right,
which is a ton of work.
So I would love to get there
eventually, but I think we need
to be like able to hire somebody
for that.
Or yeah, or just have like more
time when this is our actual
job, guys, we’re gonna have all
the visuals when this is our
job.
There we go, I like the
manifestation.
Yeah, manifesting, exactly
manifesting.
Let’s go into the kind comments
corner and see what’s hanging
out over there.
So.
Sweet.
All right, couple little things
hanging out in the corner.
So I actually like I said, these
are comments on the reel of the
many good ones, but I pulled
four that just like really spoke
to me.
OK.
And so let’s we can switch off
back and forth reading it.
So the first one comes from at
Smart A 007.
You were my 90s muse.
We all wanted to be just like
you.
Now, as we are all navigating
adulthood and perimenopause, we
still want to be like you.
You are a ray of sunshine.
Yeah, and then chill, chilly and
Chai.
Life said.
Growing up alongside you has
been flipping splendid.
You are pure joy, Drew.
Pure joy.
You love it And then this one is
from Vintage Monsters 78.
When I discovered Drew as a
young adult, I became enamored
and didn’t know why.
I collected every magazine and
picture with her in it and
plastered them on my bedroom
walls.
I watched all of her movies.
When I realized I was gay, it
all made sense to me.
No wonder I was so enthralled
and had her everywhere.
Drew was the one to help me
realize who I was and for that
she will always be my favorite.
I.
Know I loved that.
This last comment I didn’t
realized who it was from at.
Care Bears officially the Care
Bears Instagram.
So at Care Bears commented, I
feel like she had a Funshine
bear.
Which is the yellow one with the
sunshine on its belly?
Yes, Care Bears, you totally got
the vibe.
I love that, Care Bears
responded.
These are all great.
I mean, I love, you know,
multiple times sunshine is
mentioned.
Of course it is.
Of course.
Yeah, of course it is.
OK, so let’s go back in time and
see what happened this week in
Drew History.
OK, March 3rd, 2008 This was
kind of a big deal and I feel
like it doesn’t get talked about
very much.
Drew appeared on the Oprah
Winfrey Show and announced that
she was personally donating $1
million to the World Food
Program.
So.
Pretty awesome.
This was a.
Charity that she’d been involved
with since 2005 when she
travelled to Africa to
experience their work, and she
was named officially an
ambassador against hunger for
them in 2007.
Here’s a quote she said on the
Oprah show.
I have seen with my own eyes
what a difference a simple cup
of nutritious porridge can make
in a child’s life.
It helps them learn, stay
healthy and sets them on track
for a bright future.
I’m able to make this incredible
donation.
This has changed my life, but I
encourage everyone to give like
so cool if you guys were around
in those days, you know, like
she really like was really
involved with this charity and
I’ve we even like donated a
future.
Remember when they did that
thing?
It was like called like the wall
and when you made a donation
like your face went on this like
virtual wall.
We did one of those.
I don’t think we have any
screenshots, but the whole like
red cup, fill the red cup like,
yeah, it’s like a whole thing.
Multiple times for, like, years.
I feel like around her birthday
would be like, we made a
donation and, your Honor.
Yeah.
And one of the times we went to
see her in person, we, like, put
everyone’s names on a card,
right?
Yeah.
She liked that so much.
Like everyone who contributed to
our donation to WFP, that was
that.
Was really neat.
We’ll have to share a photo of
her with the card.
I took some pictures of her
holding it, yeah.
They’re so pretty.
Oh, yeah.
You took those.
That’s right.
Oh, my God.
I was thinking Chris Miller did
because he took the one of us
with her.
Yeah.
Oh, my goodness.
Also on Oprah, Cameron Diaz
called into the show as a
surprise to let Drew know how
proud she was of her for
donating the money and informing
people about the cause.
And then Justin Long was with
her in the audience and he said
she’s the most compassionate
person I’ve ever met.
So sweet.
We get like, she had like one of
those giant checks that she
actually signed, which is really
cute.
And also that same day, she went
to the Chicago Mercantile
Exchange with the WFP’s
executive director, Josette
Sheeran, to further promote the
foundation.
So it’s just like a really cool
thing.
Like it was a really big deal
when she did this.
And then it like, no one ever
talks about it anymore.
I don’t know.
I felt like when I realized it
was On this date, I was like,
oh, we got it.
We got to bring attention.
Yeah, we got to mention this
like, yeah, it’s a, it was like
a whole era of the World Food
Program.
So cool.
That’s so cool.
Good, Paul.
OK, let’s talk about what’s new
with Drew.
Here we go with the news,
everybody.
OK, It’s a little dated now
because we’re only releasing
episodes every two weeks.
That Drew made a surprise
appearance, like a cameo, if you
will, on The Tonight Show
during.
So they had Mr. Beast there and
they were doing the box of lies
game that they do.
And he was describing to Jimmy
Fallon what was behind him.
And what was behind him was Drew
skiing with Sasquatch.
It’s so.
Good.
It’s so cute.
Like so, so cute.
Yeah.
And I love that he’s just like a
very famous actress behind you
like and.
Apparently like he didn’t even
know that Drew and Jimmy were
like close like Miss Jimmy just
like commented on the post and
said like I had no idea that
they were like really good
friends.
I’m very curious like how this
was arranged.
Me too.
Probably Chris.
Of course, of course.
Yeah, I’m sure Chris had a lot.
Chris.
Miller Yeah.
So like, if you guys don’t know
who we’re talking about, Chris
Miller was like Drew’s
production partner for a really
long time at Flower Films, and
now he’s the showrunner at Night
Show.
I bet you’re right.
Yeah.
Cuz that’s like, of course.
Like, of course it’s so fun.
Her like, bright pink jacket.
She looked adorable.
So cute and if you guys missed
this we will share a link to the
YouTube where that is available
to watch.
Yes, very fun.
We I also have to mention that
there is an upcoming cameo in
Drew’s ex sister-in-law Jill
Kargman’s movie.
It’s called Influenced.
It’s coming out in the spring
after some delays.
I was filmed in the summer of
I’m a little bit like, not that
interested in the movie itself.
Did you watch the trailer?
Yeah, and I was like, I but I
want to see if there’s more of
Drew than just this little tiny
thing they show in on the
trailer.
Doesn’t feel like it, right?
It feels like the character that
Jill’s playing like interacts
with ruin an event for saving
manatees.
Lipo for manatees.
Excuse me, I’m looking at the
photo more closely.
It’s a little.
But we have to say, like,
there’s a couple fun things
about it.
First, the outfit she’s wearing
in it is something that we saw
her wear at an event.
So it’s kind of funny to be
like, oh, that’s where that
weird outfit came from.
I don’t know how.
It’s like.
It’s a weird one.
It’s not just what?
We saw it’s one that we’ve all
went, what the heck is this
stress, Drew?
I think you described it as
looking like flesh in the
middle.
It does weirdly look like flesh
in the middle, polka dotted and
like the colors are fun, but for
some reason the combo.
Anyway, we have, we’ll just have
to post a picture of it for you
guys to see.
Also, we spotted Olive Drew’s
daughter in the trailer for
this.
Super surprised to see her.
Was surprising.
I’m like jaw dropped.
I like was like what?
Like why was that olive?
And it definitely is definitely
I mean.
I’m surprised that Drew let that
happen, but maybe it was like,
she’s just gonna appear really
quick.
Like, you know, I don’t, I don’t
know.
I don’t know.
Definitely surprising and maybe
we just leave it at that.
Also, this is obviously
humongous news.
It has officially been stated
that Sony is developing a new
Charlie’s Angels film, and all
we know right now is that they
have hired writer Pete Chiarelli
and some outlets are calling it
a reboot.
No one’s really calling it a
sequel.
There’s rumors that our Angels
will be in this, but we don’t
know for sure.
There’s also a rumor that said
it’s unclear who’s producing
this, although one source said
Drew and Flower Films are back
for this version.
No official information yet, but
I mean you and I have been
sensing the rumblings of this
coming for over a year now.
Right, right.
And anytime Drew is asked about
it in any kind of like, pointed
way, she like, kind of like,
very intentionally, kind of like
closes her mouth and like, you
know, like.
And when we brought that up to
her, you and I were speaking to
her, she was kind of like, yeah,
I can’t lie.
Like I, I can’t.
Like, I couldn’t lie about it.
Like, I couldn’t say no.
So like, clearly I’d be shocked
if this goes forward and she’s
not involved because she’s made
it seem like she’s involved.
We also know she’s been super
Mia from the Drew Barrymore Show
this season, right?
In fact, they’re not even doing
a birthday episode.
I said for her this year, which
is just like, devastating.
Yeah.
So they.
Couldn’t top last year after we
brought all our memorabilia.
They’re like they’re like never
again actually and an already.
Came why even never try again?
We never have to celebrate
Drew’s birthday ever again.
But of course, yeah, we’ve known
like Charlie’s Angels rumblings
around.
But like, yeah, this is like one
of those like announcements that
has no info, like, you know, So
we’ll see what happens with
this, but we are hopeful that it
is.
Helpful and we are watching,
yes.
We are paying attention to see
if Drew will appear as Dylan
again.
OK, so let’s get into Hollywood
Squares.
I actually have not watched all
the recent episodes,
unfortunately.
So I’m a couple episodes behind.
OK.
But we love this show guys.
We we always love it.
It’s just delightful.
Yes, episode 13 was scream
themed.
I bet you loved that.
Yeah, I mean, it was like
loosely, like they had David
Arquette there, which is great,
but it’s kind of funny.
Like Drew had to point out, I
think at the very end of the
show, this is actually more like
a Never Been Kissed reunion.
We played brother and sister and
that like they don’t even share
screen time and scream, but
that’s funny.
Paramount, CBS, same company.
Scream 7 is coming out tomorrow
as of the recording, and so I
think it was definitely
intentionally done for that.
Like they even had like Nate
was.
I don’t want to spoil it for
you, but Nate’s wearing like
buttons with like Drew and
Scream, did I?
See that?
Maybe I watched that.
One, you might have seen it on
a.
Clip of it.
Yeah, maybe.
I saw a clip of it.
That was cute.
That was It was cute.
Yeah.
OK, tell me the bonus round
facts and see if I can get
these.
Right, I think you’re not going
to have any problems with these.
OK, true or false, Drew can play
the bag pipes.
False.
Like where did that one come
from?
I love it though.
She learned to surf in Hawaii.
True.
We just talked about this in our
that.
Yes, Drew is licensed to
officiate at cat wedding.
False, false.
But like, I can see why somebody
would think that was a pretty.
I think the person guessed that
it was true.
I can’t remember.
It’s like.
She’s just, she’s just weird.
Enough that maybe I could see
that.
Yeah, that’s really ridiculous.
I love it.
OK.
And.
Then finally, she went on a date
with Corey Feldman when they
were kids.
True.
Yeah.
We’ve talked about this a
couple.
Times, I know.
So those are really fun.
Hollywood Squares.
We love it.
Can’t wait for more.
Just keep giving it to us.
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OK, are we, are we really ready
to get into Detour February
Oh my gosh.
It’s kind of one of those things
that’s like if you don’t know,
you don’t know, but if you know,
you know.
It’s real special if those of
you who know are immediately
picturing this incredible cover
that we’ll be talking about
momentarily.
That’s kind of what I meant.
It’s yeah, it’s very, it’s very
unique.
And this is a it’s a great
article.
I’m so glad that we’re doing
this like a me.
Too.
Oh man, it was so when I was
transcribing it, I was going
like, Oh my gosh, this is such a
fun article.
Like, why haven’t we done this
yet?
I’m sure it’s just going to feel
that way.
Like there are, she’s done so
much stuff that we get like, Oh
my God, I forgot how fun this
was.
True.
Just yet again, we’re surprised.
Even though we know it, we’re
surprised.
We have to remind you that as
Patreon members, you can receive
PFS of like the full size scans
that Ashley just recently made
some new lovely scans.
Also, the scans on the website
have been freshened up, but
they’re also like much smaller
than the ones you get to see as
a Patreon member.
And these are just like,
incredible.
Yeah, and not only are you
getting the photos on Patreon,
you’re gonna get the full
article.
So like, it’s literally as if
you were flipping through the
magazine.
And for someone like our
wonderful friend Brian, who just
told me he never got this
magazine, I know.
So he’s really excited about
seeing it.
So that’s.
Cool.
Hi, Brian.
We.
I love you, we do.
We love you Brian.
We’re happy to be of service to
you.
Always hope you get access to
the Drew stuff, anything you
want.
So we talked about how fun the
article is.
It’s done by Zev Borow.
I want to note that he seems to
have just fallen for Drew when
he was doing this.
Like, it’s very funny, it’s very
relatable, but he just feels
like he’s got such a crush and
so it’s really cute.
He’s like ATV writer.
I was trying to find if there
was any way we could contact
him, and I couldn’t find, like,
any direct.
But yeah, he’s still around
doing stuff, so that’s really
cool.
Love it.
The photos were taken by the
iconic photographer David La
Chapelle, and this was their
second shoot together.
They also did UK Premiere 1995.
That might not sound familiar
off the top of your head.
As soon as you see the pictures,
you would absolutely recognize
them.
They’ve printed in hundreds of
magazines.
It feels like there’s like Drew
with the grapefruit in the
little waitress outfit.
Like that one gets used a lot.
Drew is the crazy bride cutting
up the wedding cake.
You guys know these pictures.
So it’s he’s always very
colorful, very unique, and that
is no different with this shoe.
Right.
Absolutely.
It’s like his style is so
distinct.
Yeah.
Did they work together again or
is it only those two times?
I think it’s only those two.
Yeah, a little crazy.
I’m like imagine what else they
could create together.
Man yeah so good.
The hair was done by David
Mallett and the makeup by Thierry Mauduit,
both French based Which
the reason that there are French
hair and makeup people is that
the photo shoot and the article
were all done in France.
We’ll explain a little bit more
later.
The styling was done by Greg Fay
and Justin Laurie.
And just want to quickly note
that there’s really special kind
of unique headpieces that Drew
wears in all these photos, and
those were done by Sarah Harmarnee
for Alexander McQueen.
I did reach out to her but
didn’t get a response.
There was a very similar Alex
McQueen headpiece in the Spring
In fact, I think we both thought
it was the same headpiece, but
the I looked at it from a few
angles and it’s it’s not the
exact same one, but I bet Sarah
probably did that one too.
Yeah, probably so.
OK.
Are we ready to get into these
incredible photos?
I mean, this is going to be one
of those things where, like, I’m
not going to be able to do it
justice.
We can’t.
Yeah.
So you have to see them.
So make sure that you’re either
like watching along or hopefully
you’ve got the image in your
mind if you’re a fan where it’s
been around.
Giving you homework, You have to
go look at these.
You guys especially, like if
you’re here as a newer fan or a
casual fan of Drew, you might be
shocked by how like different
these are for her.
They don’t look like anything
else she’s ever done.
Well, a little bit of Harper’s
Bazaar in 1996.
I always thought there was a
couple similarities, but other
than that they’re very unique.
Actually, I do want to say
regarding that because I’ll just
say right now she’s wearing a
black wig in a lot of these.
And I don’t know if I had a
confusion, but I, I can only
imagine that the first time I
saw them I probably was like,
when?
When are these from?
Yeah, cuz it’s confusing you.
Know from 1996 without a doubt.
Straight up, OK, the photo shoot
was done in the Dordogne, France,
while Drew was filming Ever
After.
So that kind of places us in the
time and the place the shoot was
done at kind of like a castle
called the Chateau Dubai Knock.
So we just figured this out.
I think we were like, I don’t
know, talking last week and I
don’t even know was I like, can
we figure out where this was?
I don’t know how it came.
Out but and I was like why
didn’t I try that?
Yeah, did you do a reverse
Google image search?
Yeah.
And it immediately identified
where it was.
And then we they like found the
photos that really like
confirmed it wasn’t just stupid
Google AI guessing it was that
it was that.
It’s so cool.
I know I do want to have
clarity.
This is not the location that
was ever used forever after
different chateaus in the same
exact area were used, but this
one is unique to this photo
shoot.
Yes, it’s so cool.
Let’s just get into the three
setups.
We’ll get into the photos a
little bit, but again, go look
at them on the Drewseum.
You have to.
So one of the setups she has
like how you describe it this
way, an alienish outfit.
So it’s like a tight fitting
black, like leotard, basically
latex.
Yeah, and it’s like it’s like
tight fitting on her body.
And then it’s got like a pattern
on the front that makes it look
like alien.
It’s like a really kind of
perfect description.
Thank you.
The cover of the magazine and
one photo inside are from this
same setup.
I also didn’t like realize until
we were doing this that like the
photos are in a very like
organized manner the way they
are.
I know article.
Where like, yeah, because this,
the second photo is actually, if
you remember, you open the cover
and it flaps out and that’s
where that second photo is I.
Forgot that.
So it’s even more so like
connected.
Yeah.
Said she was wearing black wigs
in these.
This one’s like a blunt, like
Bob, basically with bangs.
It’s also like, interesting to
see her with like, bangs.
Like that’s not really.
Yeah, you know, so good.
So I’ve always.
Thought that this cover image is
like the best look at the color
of her eyes that you’ll ever
get.
Like I don’t know if it was like
very enhanced or not.
Like it almost looks like she
has sunflowers in her eyes.
They’re so amazing looking.
So definitely zoom in and look
at those if you’re on the
Patreon.
Before we move in, I’ll say a
couple more things.
So in the picture that’s like
the full body one, there’s a
couple things I love.
I love how like the the outfit
has like a pointed thing on her
foot so it like it like points
near her ankle.
I think that looks really cool
and she’s barefoot and we can
see her moon tattoo on her toe.
And it looks very dark.
I mean, I guess it was fairly
new at that time.
It was maybe 4 years old.
That’s weird to think about.
So weird.
And we’ll, I’ll just like to go
back to the cover for a second.
It’s super close up on her face.
She’s wearing one of the
incredible headdresses that we
mentioned early by earlier by
Sarah Harmarnee or however you
say her name.
So cool, like so unique, so
cool.
I don’t even can we even do it
justice?
Can you imagine seeing this on
stands with like no warning?
No.
And the crazy thing is, so when
I said at the top of the show
that this is like our origin
year, Anna and I became fans
right at this time.
But it was early days.
Like we wouldn’t have known
about something like this unless
we had come upon it.
Detour.
It was probably like in Borders
Bookstore, I would imagine.
But like, we would have had to
know and we just missed this one
and we both had to get it later.
It’s like right before I was
really, really paying attention
anyway, like it’s yeah, right
before.
And I don’t remember when I got
it, but I know it’s something
that like since the first time I
saw it, has been like.
That’s so cool.
Yeah.
So let’s talk about a little bit
more about the pictures.
Again, I’ll stop saying go look
at the pictures, but go look at
the pictures.
So the next set in the magazine,
she is like standing in front of
the Chateau, sort of like on
this like rocky area in the
front and wearing a curly wig,
like curly black wig and this
like, white Cape.
So cool.
I will say I feel like the
closer up one kind of reminds me
of those like Kevin Aquan, like
makeup.
Yeah.
You know.
Pictures.
Yeah.
Her makeup looks almost like
silent film star or something.
It’s really tense.
And the Cape was actually done
by the makeup artist, which is
so random that says that in the
credits.
But yeah, these are very
dramatic.
I’m sure that the, like,
lightning bolt behind her and
one of them was probably
inserted digitally.
I have to imagine unless they
got really lucky.
Has to be.
But they’re very Moody, like
very atmospheric, these ones.
Yes, totally.
And then the last setup is on
top of the Chateau, which we
found a match of the spot.
I was like intent to find it cuz
I was like, this is so cool.
Overlooking the Dordogne River.
And she’s wearing, like, a
shiny, grayish lavender dress
that’s like, kind of got like,
like, slatted parts through it
and another, like, really cool
headpiece that is, like, draped
over the curly hair again.
Yeah.
Gloves in a lot of these photos
like opera length gloves that
are so cool.
I guess we should say I think
like the first three are all
full page, right?
Yeah.
And then these one, there’s like
a set of four in this setup.
And I think we both love
anything where it’s like you get
to see multiple expressions of
her in the same environment.
Yeah, she’s being so expressive
in these.
It’s so fun.
Like lots of different vibes and
feelings are coming through.
You could literally do like
which one are you today?
Because they’re like, which one
is a different feeling that?
Totally actually I feel like
that’d be a fun like thing on
Instagram.
Like which true are you?
Like, I could do it, but these
are just, again, so cool.
Can’t get over it.
There’s no way we can describe
them.
They’re they’re so unique.
And if you know David LaChapelle
at all, like, you know how like,
surreal and like, yeah, kind of
otherworldly his shoots tend to.
Be a great way to put it I also
love just imagining that they’re
like OK we’re going to do this
photo shoot when when’s true
available.
Oh she’s in France.
Oh, she’s by all these, like,
castles and shut.
Yeah, let’s do it Like that’s
the theme that.
Yeah.
Like so.
Rad how fun.
We only have a few outtakes from
this magazine, which is a
bummer, but at least we have I
mean, we literally have three
and two of them are from the
close-ups on the cover.
And then the last one is very
different from the rest, like
it’s from the same outfit and
hair as her standing on like the
roof of the Chateau, but she’s
in front of this like weird blue
tiled wall.
So we have no idea.
Anne was trying to figure out
where those were taken.
We, we, I didn’t have any luck
yet.
Yeah, I just, I did like a brief
search.
I’m like, how do I find this?
The outtakes are also Oh my God
so.
Cool, beautiful.
We’ll share all of these on the
episode page.
Roll hot pictures of the
Chateau, like all kinds of fun
stuff for you guys.
I also I feel like I noticing
that one of the outtakes like
she’s wearing no she was like a
different.
Oh yeah, you’re right, the cover
is slightly is a different
outfit.
OK, hold on.
I just had a realization the
cover and that first picture,
like I don’t think she’s wearing
that necklace in the in the
stairs.
No she’s not, you’re right.
So the cover in the stairs are
slightly different, but she’s
the same headpiece and wig.
Same.
Headpiece.
Yep.
So.
Cool, amazing.
Love, Love, love, love.
Love, love so much love other
things we love, including this
article.
Oh my gosh, it’s crazy.
Like you not only do you get
these like really special unique
photos that are like, it’s also
like an oversized, slightly
oversized magazine.
It’s just like good quality
paper.
Right.
Is the paper good quality?
It’s great quality paper.
Hold on a second, we have
something to say about that I
love.
Paper.
Yeah, yes.
Paper, paper, Yeah, all right,
Ross says.
All right, we’ll move on.
OK, so let’s dive into this
article.
We both love the way this starts
so much.
It’s so sweet.
Gosh.
So the article opens up like
right away with a full page,
like, glowing description of
Drew’s dog Flossy, and like
Flossy’s coolness, and it goes
on and on.
We’ve got one quote, but it’s so
fun.
You got to like also read this
whole article.
It’s so great.
He said she about Flossy.
He said she positively oozes a
type of overwhelming coolness,
friendly and animated and cute
and kickback and smart and goofy
and poised and slick all at the
same time.
Flossy.
Right.
And if you haven’t heard our
pets episode, which we did like
a redux of that.
So listen to our one of our.
Pets episodes.
I think we might even read more
of this page in that one,
because it’s just so.
Good, probably the author said
that Flossy’s coolness is a
testament to Drew’s character,
which I’m sure having Drew as a
mom, like come on.
And also it’s kind of wild she’s
only had Flossy for like 2 years
at this point.
Like Oh my God, not even cuz 97
wow.
So like a year?
That’s so weird.
And also, I wondered, did she
only bring Flossy to France?
Yeah, Where was Templeton?
Right.
No mention of Templeton.
Well, remember, Templeton was
sometimes like at obedience
school and being a little
naughty.
That’s right.
That’s.
Right.
OK, so in this article, the
interview they’re doing, they
are meeting at a restaurant in a
small medieval town in remote
France.
As we said, they were in the
Dordogne region.
And this was in 1997 during the
filming of Ever After, which at
the time was just called like a
Cinderella movie.
There was No title that which is
so funny.
Like you read this whole
article, it’s never called Ever
After, right?
And the there’s a lot of direct
quotes that we’re going to pull
from this that are the author’s
words like a lot of time we
saved the direct quotes for
Drews words, but he just writes
about her in such a beautiful
way.
I kept finding myself being
like, I have to include this
We’ve.
Definitely had this with like.
I feel like one of them was like
Chris Heath for like, like U.S.
magazine, right?
Or like, or is that Rolling
Stone?
Anyway, I know we’ve had this
before where we like, love the
way people write about her.
Yeah, and this is definitely one
of them.
So this is one of the first
things that Zev writes.
He says there isn’t much
regarding the Life and Times of
Drew Barrymore that hasn’t been
addressed in writing ad nauseam.
She can go toe to toe or rather
column inch for column inch with
just about anyone, especially
when you consider she is only 22
years old.
And actually is that, is that
how old she would have been?
Yeah, I guess she was about to
turn 23 when the when the
magazine came out.
So yeah, she was 22.
Crazy.
Just a little baby.
So crazy.
Also I love I like column inch
for column inch is so fun.
It’s so good.
It’s so.
Good.
And then he does like a quick
summary of her life.
He goes through like a lot
really quickly.
But it’s fun because I think
it’s fun that he’s like, I don’t
know what else.
Well, it’s that thing that’s
like, we always got to get this
out of the way, right?
And like, sometimes they’d go on
and on, and sometimes some of
the writers seem to acknowledge,
OK, we got to just mention this
and let’s move on.
And that’s what Zeb seems to.
Yes.
So here’s a couple like tidbits
he pulls out.
So Drew was born into the
Barrymore family with an
absentee dad.
And he says who has not worn
shoes nor driven a car for most
of the past 20 years.
And to be actress mom who read
her daughter bedtime stories by
Henry Miller.
And he says Drew went from a
little blonde girl in ET to
poster child for adolescent
celebrity fuck ups with tell all
book.
He said that she was an out of
work actress living with David
Crosby.
She played Amy Fisher, got
married and divorced at 19,
posed nude in Playboy and other
places like David Letterman’s
desk, dated guitarist from whole
Erik Erlandson.
We mentioned him earlier because
of the we’re talking about that
picture that of course in an
interview.
And then he also says she became
a better actress, appeared on
lots of magazine covers, starred
in Everyone says I Love You and
Scream.
Just talking about her legendary
life.
I mean, imagine, like being able
to sum it all up in one
paragraph.
But yeah.
But then he goes on to describe
her these days, these days being
Yeah.
And he says that she’s a weird
and wonderful post Hollywood
woman, child wise beyond her
years, yet somehow a girl
interrupted, Sincere as she is
sly, calculating as she is,
carefree, mesmerizing as a car
wreck, brilliant as the sun.
Love it so good.
And then I of course love this
part, he says dissecting Drew
Barrymore is an addiction.
Yes, it is.
Really.
Can’t relate.
You get hooked while you think
you’re not looking.
Of course you’re always looking.
Always have been.
There is always been something
to see.
There still is.
That old chair?
Drew Barrymore.
She’s always over in the corner
and you wanna look at her.
I’ve had a.
Thought about that.
Like that she calls herself like
an old chair.
I was like, is that why she
called the Drew chair The Drew
chair?
She thinks she’s a chair.
Oh my God.
It’s really funny.
I love this, and I love that you
made this connection too, He
said.
She sprouted from the cracks on
Santa Monica Blvd. an organic
oddity which goes so perfect
with our like Wildflower
conversations recently.
If she had sprout from the
cracks.
Amazing how similar that is.
And I did see, do you remember I
sent you something recently.
It was right after we released
our Wildflower episode, and it
was something saying maybe it
was this actually, but it was
something saying the same thing.
No, I think it was somebody else
that said it about her, that she
was like a flower blooming out
of the sidewalk.
I do remember this and I can’t
remember start it off, but it’s
just such a perfect description
of her also coming out of any,
any difficulties or you know,
whatever.
She just sprouts up like a
beautiful flower.
He also says that Drew is
different from everyone else and
that’s why we all want to get
her, but it’s impossible, so all
we can do is stand around and
watch.
Or you can be weirdos and start
a fan site for 20 years in a
podcast that’s over 100 episodes
trying to get her.
You know what?
We’re not standing around
anywhere.
We are very actively involved.
Yes, yes.
All right, So let’s talk about
what how he describes her
present look at the moment.
He says that her hair at the
moment is chopped short and dyed
an interesting shade of red,
which is.
I’ve never thought of the ever
after hair as red.
I think it’s like it’s brown
with like, Auburn tints to it.
Yeah, we have seen this was a
very short lived hairstyle for
her.
So yes, if you don’t know most
of her hair and ever after is
extensions and basically like
only up to not even her chin was
her real hair length, but it’s
the same color as the extensions
and ever after.
But there’s a couple photos of
her trying on costumes for the
film and then she also did the E
celebrity profile with this
hairstyle.
I like, I’m trying to think of
what that timeline must have
been because according to some
photos we have during filming,
they were still filming the
movie like around November 11th.
And then by the time she goes
and does the mademoiselle cover
shoot with blonde hair, that was
like a couple days before
Thanksgiving.
Oh wow.
So it’s like I’m wondering like
she finished Ever After, flew
back to LA, filmed the celebrity
profile interview, dyed her hair
blonde, did mademoiselle in the
span of like 2 weeks.
It’s crazy.
That’s.
Kind of amazing.
I really miss the days where
charting her hair helped, you
know when things were.
I’ve been trying to sort some
some like recent photos, recent
being from like 2017 to now
earlier today.
And I was just like, I had no
idea when anything was taken.
So much more difficult.
That’s so hard.
Yeah, we can.
We can like identify anything up
to like a certain point.
I feel like to like 2009.
I feel like any anything after
like that 20. 10/20/10’s good.
We could do that and then you’re
right and then it’s like cuz
A lot of time it’s like 16
years.
We are like, I know you said
like even longer.
Wear.
I agree.
Oh, Drew, OK.
OK, back-to-back to back to the
look.
So he also describes that she’s
wearing deep purple corduroys,
an old black sweatshirt, and
almost no makeup.
She’s super tiny in person,
which we’ve always, like,
commented on, and her eyes
actually sparkle.
So this is where I’m starting to
be like Zev likes her.
Also, I love we love
descriptions of what she’s
wearing so much.
I’m like, I love corduroys.
I can’t picture any deep purple
corduroys that like we’ve seen
her pictured in, but I love it.
I love it so much.
You mentioned that they’re at a
restaurant, so they’re at a
pizza restaurant in Sarlat.
He said it’s a town that’s
frozen in time with windy
cobblestone streets and old
churches.
Sounds so rad.
Lenny mentions how she’s there
to film Cinderella, quote, UN
quote.
Ever After with Angelika Houston
for 20th Century Fox.
He describes that they’re
drinking red wine, and he says
Drew drinks wine and beer and
doesn’t think that should freak
anyone out.
You know, because of her path.
Just like kind of interesting
considering like now where we
know things went, I don’t know,
it’s very unique time right
here.
Right.
If you don’t know, she does.
She no longer drinks.
She’s not sober.
She’s not sober.
She doesn’t work a program.
Yes.
He also described that Drew has
her first cigarette in eight
days.
And she said I’m going to have
one.
Now you know why?
Because it feels good.
As a smoker, I can agree.
Sorry man, I know I like this,
he says.
Then she smiles, a curly cue of
a smile, and slowly shakes her
head in a way that makes you
want to say, yeah.
It occurs to you, or rather to
me, that Drew Barrymore was
probably once a pretty fun girl
to get drunk with.
Oh.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
I like this girl.
Yeah.
OK, so he writes.
So Drew isn’t interested in
small talk.
She prefers deep in weird
conversations until the end of
time, with frequent breaks for
involuntary fits of
uncontrollable laughter.
Love it.
Accurate.
Yep.
She tells Zev that she’s the
happiest she has ever been in
her life, which it’s interesting
how many times she has said that
over the years.
Yeah, which is great.
I want her to continue feeling
like now is the best time.
Yeah, it’s kind of funny.
And then here’s a really nice
quote from Drew, she says.
With every line that draws
itself on my face, I’m not only
happier and laughing more, but
I’ve learned things about love,
about acting, about being a
woman, about how to take care of
myself physically, all the
important things.
Sometimes I smoke and drink.
Sometimes I do nothing but
indulge in the most pure
ingredients and jog every day
for weeks.
But I’m not a workout in a gym
type of girl.
Get me in a gym and I’m like a
naked stripper in Poland.
What?
Oh, it gets weirder.
So then he like, sets it up.
He’s like, OK, next comes one of
her frequent bizarre non
sequiturs, AKA, as you guys
know, Drew Isms.
Yes.
And she says Barbie Ice Capades
meets Norwegian heat death trap.
I have no clue what that means,
but I like it.
And I’m sure that was just like
off the cuff.
Yeah.
So she said that, of course.
Yep.
Perfect realism, Perfect.
Realism.
That’s what she feels like if
she’s at a gym at this time.
It’s really good, Oh my God.
And then he gushes about her
giggle.
That yet another like, reason to
believe that he’s just falling
for this girl.
He says it’s one of a fucking
kind.
It just bubbles out of her
loudly, and if you spend any
time with her, you’ll hear it a
lot.
If she worked it, Drew’s giggle
could probably start a war.
Zeb calm down it is so cute we
love her laugh too of.
Course we do.
Of course.
So Drew talks about how she is
quixotic and romantic, and the
article mentions her slightly
new relationship with Luke
Wilson.
They’ve been together for around
a year or so.
At this time, their start date
of the relationship is very
question, dubious to us, very
vague it.
Might overlap a little bit some
other relationships.
It mentions how Drew first met
Luke at a dinner at Tamara
Davis’s house when they were
both cast in Best Men.
We’ve talked about this quite a
few times.
It’s funny how, like, many times
it’s come up sort of recently,
like, since we started the
podcast.
Yeah.
And then there’s a quick little
segue, like a little sidebar
mention of when Drew was living
with Tamara Davis and her
husband, Mike D, for a while as
a teenager.
Mike D of the Beastie Boys, in
case you’re wondering.
And Drew says, I was 16, and I
took off from the house where I
was living with a laundry bag
and stayed there.
Tamara and Mike’s home is filled
with what I believe every child
should grow up around, art and
music and film and creativity
and intelligence and
inspiration.
I loved living with them.
That’s so sweet.
I didn’t pull like, cuz I think
it was the New York.
What’s that called?
New York Magazine, the one that
came out a couple years ago that
was so amazing that we probably
should cover.
Yeah.
The one that was shot by Mark
Seliger.
Yeah, I think in that one, I
know Tamara gives first of all
quotes about Drew and Luke
meeting each other, but I think
she also talks about how, like,
Mike D would be like, a little
bit like, protective of Drew
because, like, sometimes she
wouldn’t come home or like,
she’d come home with a new
tattoo.
And like, yeah, they very much
felt like, you know, these kind
of like, parental feelings
towards her.
Yeah, it’s so sweet.
Tamara, we want to talk to you
so badly.
Come on the podcast.
Right, that would be fun to have
her on.
And then Drew says that she and
Luke have not lived together,
but she could see herself
marrying Luke even though
overall she doesn’t think
marriage has evolved such as
life has.
That’s a frequent Drew quote.
Yep.
And then I left this because
this goes so perfectly with 51st
States and why it was so
meaningful to her, she says.
I think what it’s about is
believing in someone and
fighting for your relationship
with them on a daily basis,
which is like exactly what she
felt the theme of that movie was
and why she wanted to do it so
badly.
And then the freaking Drew
Barrymore show on their
Instagram today.
Did you see this?
Yes.
They posted something of her
talking to an audience member
about this.
And I’m like, the timing is so
crazy.
It’s so funny how everything
just, like, rolls around.
Yep, we always come back to like
the same sentiments.
Like, again, Drew’s consistency.
OK, then we get into some
obligatory conversation about
Drew’s parents.
Drew talks about how her dad
lives on her property now.
She talks about the home that
she just bought, which which was
the home on Cherokee that she
bought in July of 1997.
And she talks about inviting her
father to stay in the guest
house, she said.
I found this house and it’s like
magic, like a total hippie
commune.
It has really worked out for us.
My father has done very hurtful
things to me, but I’m 22 and I
forgive him.
He’s always been an experimenter
and certain experiments have
made him an ugly person at
times.
I’m just getting to know him
now.
Yes, it’s, and again, we were
just talking about this too,
because she was telling Bill
Maher about how her dad lived in
the tree house is what they
called it, because Bill Maher
owns that property.
Now, if you guys don’t know,
it’s like really trippy.
But yeah, Drew, this is the
house that burnt down.
So Drew was only there for,
well, I guess four years, but it
sounds like it was so special.
I wish we had more photos of it.
We hardly have anything.
Gosh.
And then of course, she talks
about her mom, but very briefly.
She said same old, same old.
We talk, but we don’t talk.
I’ve come to really appreciate
what she’s done for me and my
life.
She raised me, but we just don’t
get along.
There’s no poison there though,
It’s fine.
It’s like I read that I was like
same old same old for real.
Like.
This could have been something
she said yesterday.
Yep, Yep.
Totally has changed.
It’s wild.
She’s like, I appreciate being
alive and like that I have this
career.
So thanks Mom, but we don’t need
to like be besties anymore.
Yeah, yeah.
So the article was being done to
promote the release of The
Wedding Singer, which came out
that month, February 98.
Drew said about it.
I’m really psyched with it.
It’s just good romantic comedy,
really fucking rich.
And I really wanted to work with
Adam Sandler, of course.
He was like this big hero of
mine and we had such a great
time working together.
He’s a really good actor too.
In the previews, they show all
the scenes that are really kind
of Adam Sandler ish, but he’s
really more than that in this
movie.
I liked that quote a lot.
Which I know we talked about
that.
I think just, I mean, I’m sure
it was that quote was like in my
head, but I know we talked about
like the moments in The Wedding
Singer that they showed in the
commercials where he’s like
yelling, but how that’s really
not what he’s like for the
majority of the movie.
Right, right.
But it was like how trailers are
cut is always like, yeah,
attract people of the movie.
I also love that they’re talking
about, like, The Wedding Singer
promoting The Wedding Singer,
where we’re like just talking
about 51st dates.
Yeah.
Do you think I was having a
thought recently, do you think
like sort of part of the way
that Drew got in to meet with
Adam was because Tamara Davis
had just done Billy Madison?
Oh, I don’t.
I’ve never thought about.
That yeah, it like recently
occurred to me.
I was like, oh, that’d be
interesting if like, Tamara kind
of like set that up because Drew
was like pounding down his door
forever, it feels like.
Right.
I wouldn’t be surprised.
It’d be cool to confirm that.
Yeah, I’d never.
I’d never thought about that,
truly.
Again, Tamara, we need to talk
to you.
Yes, the author comments that
The Wedding Singer is continuing
a new theme for Drew’s work,
which is no more fucked up
Lolita type characters.
Julia Julia is like one of the
most, you know, like pure little
Angel.
Lovely.
Yes.
And Drew talks about that, that
character and how she felt about
it.
And I love that.
It’s like, yeah, I, I guess I
we, we, we did talk about this.
I think we did wedding singer
that like realizing how big the
wedding singer was for her
career.
Yeah, I mean, it’s her first
romantic comedy lead.
It’s crazy.
Yeah, Drew says that she wants
new movies that are fun to see,
and she’s getting the best
scripts of her career, she said.
But the industry is like the
ocean.
It has its tidal waves and soft
currents and under toes.
Right now for me, it’s soft
currents.
And that’s great.
I love this next thing, too.
She said her priority is being a
good employee and doing her job
well.
She always says that like, she
loves working.
She loves like, being like being
there, being reliable, you know,
like, I think she says something
too about being of service.
Yes.
And I was like, that’s so.
Her that’s so her it actually so
I was just re watching for the
first time in so long her inside
the actors studio.
Someone just uploaded it.
You’ve got to get to.
It I need to watch it, Yeah.
But I couldn’t remember, like,
of course, we’ve talked about
the Kate Hudson SNL episode
where they do drew on inside the
Actors Studio.
So her answers to those like
questions at the end and like I
only can remember the SNL ones.
That’s so funny.
So for the most part, but
you’ve.
Quoted that too many times to
not remember.
It, it’s so good.
And so he asks, when you know,
if heaven exists, what would you
like God to say to you?
Yeah.
And rather than the SNL, which
is, hey, Drew Barrymore, you’ve
treated people with kindness.
You smell like flowers.
Yeah.
So that’s what you think she
would say.
But what she actually says,
which is why I’m bringing this
up, she says relax already.
And I’m like, Oh my gosh.
Because she just wants to work
and do a good job and like
beating herself up all the time.
Like these things have never
changed about her.
Relax.
Already True.
OK, so this is an interesting
part of the article.
Yeah.
Zev is getting a little
protective of his girl because
he’s talking about how, like,
Drew is associated with sex in
the public mind, which maybe
that doesn’t make sense to you
guys now, but at this time, this
is very much a thing.
So he says how, like, when
people that he knew found out
that he had interviewed Drew,
this is how he describes it.
They get all snickery and winky
and ask you things like, so did
you 2, you know, hit it off.
Suddenly it’s all innuendo.
And he’s, like, saying how
that’s ridiculous.
And he doubts that people do
that about Claire Danes or
Gwyneth Paltrow.
And then he notes that there’s
more sweet than sexy to Drew in
person.
She’s a messy eater and likes to
talk about bodily functions that
many people find embarrassing.
And then he says she does have a
nearly overwhelming personality.
And if she ever turned the sex
charm on full blast in your
direction, you, male or female,
would probably start to stutter.
But still, dot, dot, dot.
Like he’s just like, why are you
being like this about her?
Which I I definitely appreciate
it.
It was cool.
Like it’s so, you know, people
wouldn’t do that now about her.
She’s like rebranded herself.
But at this time, like, this is
like, right after, you know,
Playboy, Letterman, like, yeah.
Like all that stuff, it’s so
fresh.
And it’s interesting because I
feel like she really
intentionally chose Ever After
as this like reinvention of her
image.
Like a palette cleanser and.
Like here she is filming it and
it worked.
Right.
I love that he says like I don’t
know if people would do this
about like Claire Jane’s Claire
Danes are going at the poet row
cuz like those are like good
examples of like people that you
wouldn’t immediately like think
of.
She’s good, you have sex with
her.
Right, exactly.
It’s an interesting part of the
article, but it’s, it’s, it’s
good to go into that because,
like, she’s trying to get away
from that Lolita thing, you
know?
So it’s like as a woman coming
out this way.
So the following night, after
they were out at the pizza
parlor, they met in his hotel
lobby late at night at the Ever
After wrap party.
I like that Drew said that
she’s, like, tired, but she
couldn’t.
Like, she wouldn’t dare skip the
party without looking like a
bitch.
Like she was worried that they
would.
Yeah.
Which by all reports, she was so
great to the cast and crew of
that film, Like got musical
instruments for everybody and
had like a Halloween party and
got like better food than the
catering.
You know, like she was supposed
to be like, so great.
Like no one would ever think you
were a bitch, Drew.
I’m sure she’s just like felt
the pressure.
She is like the star.
Of course she has to be there.
And then we get into this really
fun part where it’s just like
tidbit after tidbit.
Tidbits galore.
We need like a little Jingle for
that.
Yeah, we do.
OK.
So first she lists further and
cantankerous as two of her
favorite words and says she
fucking loves words.
Read that dictionary on your
body.
Exactly.
She likes the androgyny of her
name, but she says that her
friends only call her D or
Daisy.
Love it.
She prefers salty over sweet.
Again, like, I feel like these
are all still applicable to her.
Yeah.
She absolutely wants kids and
feels her biological clock
ticking.
And this is only a few months,
not even a year after filming
Home Fries.
And, like, you know, she’s super
in love with Luke and wants to
move to Texas and live on a farm
with him.
So.
Yeah.
And I’m glad she acknowledges
that.
She’s like, really young but
feels the clock ticking.
Yeah, she likes mayonnaise and
lettuce sandwiches and jokes.
Just sorry but.
Right.
I was just going to say we just
talked about this.
We just had that injury.
We both said, like what?
She just mentioned that on it.
Makes me want to try a
mayonnaise and lettuce sandwich.
I don’t love mayonnaise, but I’m
like, maybe there’s some
lightning in a bottle here.
She says she also likes Joan
Jett and cleaning your hands
with baby wipes.
And I remember the baby wipes
thing because I started to carry
baby wipes in my purse after
like reading it.
And I wrote this in a comment
here and you said that it’s
mentioned in Jane 97 as.
Well, yeah, I think she, like,
cleans her feet with them.
But it definitely made me go,
oh, I want to start carrying
baby wipes again because
obviously when I have a diaper
bag, they’re always there and
they’re really helpful.
Like, they come in handy a lot.
Totally, totally.
She says she doesn’t think she’s
a bad singer, which she’s
definitely like, gone back and
forth about that.
MIT totally she said she loves
cheerzing with drinking glasses
and hates quote those half
assers who don’t clink
everyone’s glass UN quote.
So true assers.
I love it.
She considers herself a stain
removal expert and prefers the
product DD 7.
She even talks about when the
commercial comes on she gets
really jazzed.
So cute.
She’s a voracious reader and
recently completed.
She lists all these books.
So she lists a Paul Bowles book
and Gita Mehta’s The River
Sutra, some poetry by William
Carlos Williams, The Alchemist,
Joan Didion’s Democracy, and
some arcane Jewish philosophy.
She’s like, all over the place.
We’ll end up thinking about the
fact that she, like, was reading
poetry on the boat with Kim
Green.
OH.
Yeah.
I wonder if it was William,
Carlos William.
No, I think she said it was.
She said it was like, I think.
I think Kim, in our interview
with her said what she was
reading.
I can’t remember what it was.
That’s so funny.
So if you guys don’t know, we
interviewed Drew’s makeup
artist, Kim Green, who worked on
a lot of her projects, including
Ever After.
And she tells a really funny
story about being on the river
in a boat.
And Kim was like rowing the boat
and Drew was just reading
poetry.
And it was like the most Drew
thing ever.
Like literally in the dordan.
Like it’s at the same moment I
love.
It I love that she also
considers herself spiritual, but
not part of any organized
religion she loves.
Austin.
Powers.
She thinks Sean Penn and
Jennifer Jason Lee are fucking
amazing actors.
She has definitely mentioned
that many times before.
And usually she cites their
range, like how different they
are in all of their projects.
Yep, she doesn’t like the
expression kicking a dead horse,
she said.
Like, I don’t want to be
involved in kicking a horse
ever, especially not dead.
What?
She has a production company
called Flower Films and they
have a deal with Fox, as we
know.
So they were kind of like
quietly, silently sort of
producing Ever After, they with
Scream Wedding Singer, Ever
After they were learning the
ropes and like shoot, that’s why
she’s very involved in that
movie, but she doesn’t
technically have a production
credit.
Yes.
She talks about the previous
summer in 1996 that she drove
cross country and she describes
it as a pink RV, which when we
look at the pictures that we
have, it’s not pink on the
exterior, but you noted maybe on
the interior.
Maybe that’d be so cool.
And do I have that sound about
the car?
Oh yes, Oh my God, I forgot.
What’s that?
Oh, it’s the RV Dougy.
It’s.
The magic car Home away from
home.
I forgot about her.
You’re such a great singer.
Yeah, why does she look?
She’s a bad singer.
That’s amazing.
All the way from home.
The magic car.
I’m glad I had that on the
soundboard.
Worth it?
So good.
She likes The Rolling Stones
lyric that is the sunshine Bores
the daylights out of me and
that’s from the song Rocks Off.
OK, she loves Texas, and her
partner at the time, Luke
Wilson, is.
From Texas, man was from.
Yeah.
And finally, she’s not sure if
she’d break for a rainbow like
in her car, but she’d definitely
honk.
I love.
This I love these little so good
and this is a fun multiple
choice of like Co stars of Drew
and who said it between Adam
Sandler, Angelica Houston or
Edward Norton.
It’s.
Like a little quiz.
Yeah, it’s, it’s fun.
So the first one, she is the
hardest girl to say goodbye to.
It makes your heart hurt.
And she’s very smart.
Her thoughts on everything make
you think, oh, that’s a nice way
to look at life.
Whenever she hangs out with me
and my friends, she changes the
whole feel of the room.
She’s got it the most positive
aura.
And that was Adam Sandler.
I love that quote so much.
It’s.
So, so sweet.
I think that the.
Longer version of that quote, we
definitely used it in our Adam
Sandler episode.
And he says, like, I love her,
the birds love her, my grandma
loves her.
That’s cute.
OK.
The next one is she’s very
savvy, but she’s an old soul.
Some people go through bad
experiences and come through it
cynical.
She seems to have come through
it with a heightened sense of
compassion.
Very true.
And that was Edward Barton.
All right, so spoiler alert, you
know the last ones, Angelica
Houston.
Angelica Houston said.
She is a kind of extraordinary
dichotomy.
On one hand, she’s 22 and very
vulnerable, but she has this
vast amount of experience.
But I think that sometimes she
can be very hard on herself.
She’s learned to forgive the
world around her, but she has
yet to learn to forgive herself.
Angelica coming through with the
truth bombs here, like, this is
an early time to hear something
like that.
I feel like.
Yeah.
And it’s so true.
God, I feel like if Drew heard
that right now, she’d just be
like, this is so true.
Like Angelica?
Got it.
Yeah, she did.
It’s amazing.
It’s really, it’s cool.
OK, so now we’re kind of getting
to the wrap up of this beautiful
article and Zev is, you know,
describing our girl again.
Drew says that she used to cry a
lot claiming that she gets that
trait from her mother, but she’s
doing it less and less these
days.
She mentions that her biggest
regret, and sometimes she said
her only regret is her short
lived marriage to Jeremy Thomas
when she was 19.
And we have a good quote here.
She says I could never explain
it nor do I care to, but I
learned from it.
I really have no regrets about
anything.
I’ve had bad times, but the
rewards have always been there
and they got better.
People look at my life and say,
whoa, you’ve been really fucked
up.
I’m like, yeah, but look at what
I got to do.
I really appreciate it.
I trip on it every day and I
know what it’s like to have it
all taken away.
Amazing.
Yep, the author said that Drew’s
a very hard girl not to like.
And here’s like another fun
quote, he said.
Even with her fault, including,
she says, like too much with
more than a bit of Valley Valley
twang.
Hold on, I just have to say
fucking Sherman Oaks.
If you listen to Wildflower
Chapter 1, you’ll know what
we’re talking about, yes.
And has a big old vein of mushy
hippie cosmic thoughts running
through her.
She’ll tell you how badly she
wants to direct.
And her ability to charm at all
costs, were it to be used for
purposes of evil instead of
good, could have previously
noted, incite armed aggression.
He’s like, you guys don’t
understand.
If she turns the charm on you,
it’s all over.
Yes, he clearly was struggling.
Yeah, he said.
Also that she’s genuine and
truly knows what it means to be
down and out.
Yeah, which is like a huge part
of why so many people admire
her.
Like, she has been there.
She has been at the bottom and
the yes, the resilience, the
perfect word that you and
Cameron Diaz both used to
describe her.
Damn it, Cameron, I wanted to.
Use that.
So it wraps up, and this is
amazing because again, if you
listen to Wildflower Chapter 1,
you’ll know more about this.
But Drew tells the avocado tree
story again.
So we mentioned in our Patreon
episode, like several instances
of articles where she talks
about wanting to be buried under
an avocado tree.
And now she got the idea from
the movie Foxes.
So here it is again.
Again, just a wonderful
consistency that we have.
Yep.
And the author says, OK, well,
that’s about death.
What about life?
And she considers for a bit, and
then she says, I love this.
I guess I just want to feel like
I’m walking around on lighted
tiles.
And then he asks if she means
like Michael Jackson in the
Billie Jean video and she
replies exactly, and then
giggles.
OK, so that wraps up the article
in a lovely little way.
Giggle like we always like that.
We have a little fun like moment
at the end here where we have a
letter from the editor from one
of our followers, which is so.
Funny, so this is Instagram user
Co knockout life KO knockout
life and this person is a way OG
early drew fan like Drew B early
like so her scrapbooks are
literally like from the late 80s
early 90s Incredible.
So anyway, she had sent us
photos of them at one point
years ago.
For some reason I was randomly
looking at them again and I
noticed that this was in there
and she had even commented on
the time like she was very
surprised and excited when it
got printed so well.
She the whole thing is about
like the overall issue of detour
and how much she loved the
magazine.
But we’ll just read the section
about Drew.
OK, in the letter to the editor,
she said on the quest for the
perfect magazine for the month
of February, I took a detour,
wink wink at a unique magazine
with a shiny, slick, Swank Drew
Barrymore cover.
I have been a fan of Drew for
longer than I haven’t, and never
in my life have I come across an
article so well written on her.
That’s cool, so good.
I love that.
And what’s her name?
Katie Oliver from Texas, OH.
Yeah, I didn’t even notice that.
And we love, I mean, we’ve had
like a few times where or maybe
only once.
I mean, there was one time that
we had Missy’s letter.
Yeah, have.
We ever had any other like
response letters?
That we know, like people we
know.
Yeah.
I don’t think from people we
know, but we are lucky enough to
have like quite a few of these
like follow-ups to the issues
with people’s comments.
It’s definitely a nice way to
like wrap it up.
I really I like that magazines
used to do that again, another
thing was just like from the
past.
Do they do?
They don’t do that anymore.
I can’t imagine it doesn’t seem
like it.
Do magazines exist at all
anymore?
Good question with Chitty paper
only, that’s weekly looking at
you, yes.
Oh, gosh.
All right.
So thanks you guys.
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How Do You Drew Episode 124 – 50 First Dates
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Aloha and welcome to How Do You
Drew
This is a Drew Barrymore podcast
brought to you by the fans,
friends and historians behind
the Drewseum.
We’re drawing on over 25 years
of Drewbie expertise to dive into
all aspects of Drews world, from
her personal life to her
professional career.
Thanks to our sponsors and
friends at Positive Medium.
I’m Anne.
And I’m Ashley, and this week
we’re discussing 50 First Dates.
I love how you surprised me with
the Aloha.
I surprised myself.
It was literally on the fly.
Wait, I just realized you were
like wearing a themed.
Outfit.
Yeah, of course.
I’m just in like.
All black.
Like beanie hair flattened with
my head, Whatever.
You’re in Maine, you’re not in
Hawaii.
Vibes.
It’s OK, you’re in true.
No, it’s literally like 30° or
less here right now so it
doesn’t feel very tropical, but
it’s fun to like watch this and
feel warm for a second.
Yeah, let’s, let’s take you
there in our imagination.
With this.
Film.
Before we get into that, we have
a couple quick things at the
top, but then we’ll get right
into the movie, guys.
Yeah, cuz this is a biggie.
OK, I just want to quickly give
a shout out of thank you to our
newest Patreon members, Samantha
and Crystal.
So thank you guys so much for
signing up.
And just a reminder to all of
you that our coverage of Chapter
It’s really good.
There is some exclusive info in
there that you guys probably
don’t know.
And then I’m also scheduled for
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So please get on over there
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We are having so much fun
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Thank you to the new Patreon
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Yay and also join our Patreon.
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Right, enough ads at the top.
One more thing before we get
into the episode.
Happy Valentine’s Day.
That’s one of the huge reasons
that we’re doing this episode
right now.
Like very.
Yeah, this is our little love
message to you guys and.
Also, happy birthday to Drew our
girl.
This is the last episode that
we’ll have before her birthday,
so we have to put it out now,
our girl.
Happy birthday to you.
We love you.
Happy birthday, Drew 51.
Sorry we’re not there to
celebrate with you this year.
I’m sure you’re really bummed
about it.
Now let’s get into it.
All right, 50 First Dates is
directed by Peter Segal, who
Drew absolutely loves, and it’s
really sweet to see that little
relationship.
And it was written by George
Wing, so he’s the official
credited writer.
He wrote the original
screenplay, which we will talk
about.
There are a lot of uncredited
rewrites by several other
people.
Drew specifically mentions that
Alan Covert, Tim Hurley, and
Adam Sandler of course work
diligently every day of to
enhance the script and make the
scenes funnier.
So Adam and his normal crew all
had their hands in this one,
just like The Wedding Singer and
I’m sure all of his other films.
Yeah, and we’ll get into some of
those changes from the original
script while we’re going through
the movie, so that’ll be fun
too.
The movie was produced by Jack
Jaraputo, Steve Golan and Nancy
Juvonen.
We were both surprised to find
out that Drew and Adam
themselves are not credit as
producers, but of course their
companies are.
So we have Flower Films and
Happy Madison like at the top,
but it’s weird so.
Confused by that?
It seems very weird to me.
Well let’s have a produce so
credit on this.
Like what?
Well.
What about like like on
Charlie’s Angels is she listed
herself as a OK?
Interesting.
I don’t know.
I wonder what the the reason
was.
Maybe they like we’re a little
bit more hands off in some ways.
Who knows?
Seem like it, but who knows?
We don’t.
We don’t know about the showbiz.
Right.
And the movie, as we said at the
top, this is the anniversary of
the film right around now.
So it was released on February
So happy 22nd anniversary to
Dates crazy and I love that
neither of us were like, oh it’s
a cool anniversary.
Like your boyfriend was the one
who pointed out 22.
Like, he’s like, what’s Drew’s
favorite number?
I was like, oh, like I felt
really stupid for a second
because as I said it out loud, I
was like, maybe thought it, but
like we weren’t thinking about
that.
But anyway, 22 for Drew’s
birthday on 2/22.
Works out so well.
Works out so well.
We love when the stuff happens
accidentally on purpose.
Yeah, numbered nerds.
OK, here is our description.
This time we’re going to do it
from Prime, Amazon Prime rather
than IMDb, because I thought
this one was better.
So here we go.
A Hawaiian island Playboy has to
use his imagination to win over
the girl of his dreams when he
discovers she has no short term
memory.
Every night he has erased from
her memory so he has to make her
fall in love with him all over
again the next day.
Perfect.
Well said.
Yeah, that pretty much.
That’s what I need.
Yeah.
OK, so now let’s get into the
making of.
So we always have these like
heavy, sort of.
Here’s what we learned about
what happened before the movie
even came out.
Yeah, so much yes.
Okay, so originally the title of
the film was 50 First Kisses, and it
was more of like a small sad
melodrama that mostly took place
in the cafe.
So already like many different
feelings.
The screenwriter also said it
was a small, personal little
movie that was changed.
I wonder how they felt about
that.
Do we know anything about?
I was reading the article where
that quote came from and it it
sounded more like he was just
surprised that it became this
huge big budget thing.
I don’t know that he was like
upset about it, but he was just
like, wow, I wasn’t expecting
this.
That’s interesting.
Nancy had found the script.
So Nancy Duvone, we mentioned
her earlier, Drew’s major
partner, if you guys don’t know
that she found the script while
Drew was filming, writing cars
with.
And Drew really only wanted to
focus on writing cars with boys
at that moment, which makes
sense.
She was, like, so serious about
what was going on, deeply into
it.
Yeah.
And Nancy insisted that she read
it so she felt.
Strongly about that I could.
Totally.
Picture that.
Yeah, me too.
So Drew, of course, knew once
she read it, she had to be
involved in some way with this
movie.
And she didn’t know whether she
was going to have time to do
that as an actress or if we
would just be producing.
But she just loved the message
of the script, which was to her,
how do you Make Love stay?
And she told People magazine to
reinvent love every day is what
people should be doing for each
other.
And she also told Glamour, I
believe in the premise of the
film, which is that you can fall
in love with someone every day.
And it is also a comedy.
And I love to laugh.
And I think that love and
laughter go hand in hand.
So she’s just like, yes, this is
I Even if it was, like, so
wildly different at the time.
Yeah.
That script, like the core
message of it, spoke to her big.
Time, yes, big time.
Which is she?
She’s like, is consistent, like
laughter, love, like we know
those are things that Drew is
like.
Those are the things that have
to go hand in hand.
If somebody can’t make me laugh,
I can’t.
And you not love them?
Yeah.
Exactly.
So anyway, so they had
considered like casting another
actress since Drew was so busy,
which is so interesting to think
of crazy.
So they staged a table read with
Drew reading this part of Lucy
and she totally fell in love
with it.
She said it felt small, deep and
very emotional.
So I like how like what she was
getting out of, I’m guessing the
original version of the script
they were reading.
So like it was called like small
personal.
Like small always comes up,
little like, you know in this
one, little like the the
director refers to the original
script.
Being in the cafe is like very
claustrophobic.
Like to me, I’m almost imagining
it was like a play.
Yeah.
Like you could, I mean, maybe
that’s how the adaptation that
we’ll talk about much later and
maybe more like I don’t know,
but it’s interesting they keep
using small when like because
Hawaii is so expansive.
Yes.
I don’t know, there’s something
opposite.
Yeah.
Of like a little cafe, yeah.
So Flower Films kept losing the
chance to get to the rights to
this movie for like, years, like
Drew wanted it.
And then she said in Wildflower
a few weeks later, Nancy called
her and said they’re giving the
script to someone else, another
company, and they won’t say who.
And Drew said, I was sick.
There was something about this
film that had lit a fire in me
that not only wouldn’t
extinguish, it burned brighter
by the week.
I followed it like a hawk.
So she’s just like, who has this
movie and how do I get involved?
She felt strongly.
Yeah.
After changing many hands, as
we’ve been kind of inferring,
they found out that had finally
landed at Happy Madison, which
is Adam Sandler’s production
pump company that I mentioned
earlier.
How convenient.
And they like right away they’re
like, we need to get in there.
And so November 2001, Variety
announced that Adam was eyeing
it and could potentially Co star
with Julia Roberts, which like,
no, that would be so I know.
We’re.
Both like no.
No.
So in 2002, while filming
Charlie’s Angels Full Throttle
on the Sony lot, Drew got out
her typewriter and wrote a
letter to Adam.
I love that so much of.
Course.
So she said.
I started typing and it was like
conducting a Symphony.
The tears in me started to swell
as I wrote about my history with
this script.
How long I had loved it, why I
had loved it, how I truly felt
once again in my bones that I
was supposed to have something
to do with it.
She always has those like deep
instinctual feelings about the
projects.
She talks about that like with
Adam specifically, like she felt
like they had to be a duo and
like.
It doesn’t make sense, but I
promise that this is right.
She’s always.
Saying like, Oh yeah, I met him
with purple hair in my leopard
coat and I was we were so
different.
We couldn’t be more different,
but I knew.
Drew also said she felt the film
was worthy of their re teaming
and wrote this is it, this is
the one.
I know it.
Great instincts again.
Yeah.
So she had this letter delivered
to his office, but that was also
on the Sony lot.
So it was just like, probably a
little bike rider right over and
picturing that.
Yeah.
And then Adam just walked over
to her trailer and he said, of
course, but we’re going to turn
it into a comedy.
And Drew said that’s fine as
long as it doesn’t lose its
romance, which is kind of like,
we’ll see.
That’s sort of how Happy Madison
Flower films like, collaborated
on this.
Like, you guys do the comedy,
we’re going to do the romance.
Let’s make sure they’re both
there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then in October of 2002, I
love that we have all these
dates.
Your research is there.
Thank you.
Thank you.
In October of 2002, it was
already rumoured that Drew would
join Adam in the film.
So let’s see, what was that
timeline like?
She says while they’re filming.
Yeah.
Within like months, yeah.
Instantly.
They each knew what the guys and
girls wanted, so you kind of
said this like the romance, the
comedy, and they decided that
they wanted to produce it
together as Flower Films and
Happy Madison as a duo.
Nancy considered their companies
sorority and the fraternity,
which that makes sense too.
They would compare script notes
after each draft.
So like, the production
companies really were working
together, like at every step.
During editing, Nancy says that
director Pete Segal was really
good about giving both teams
what they wanted.
That’s also really cool.
And they go through that in the
commentary a lot to like, this
was almost gone.
But then they fought for it.
And like, we don’t, we would
thought this was really funny.
Like, it’s neat.
Andrew said it was like the
smoothest editing process she’s
ever seen as a producer.
And then he agreed that it was
just like everything was so on
point.
Everyone knew what they were
they were doing and what they
wanted.
Like it was amazing.
So cool.
And then like it was a true
collaboration between the two
companies.
That’s so cool.
So cool.
OK, so let’s talk a little bit
about some of the main cast
members.
Of course, Adam Sandler is Henry
Roth and Drew calls him her
cinematic soulmate.
This is their second of three
films together, the first being
The Wedding Singer and the
second being Blended.
And we did have a great episode
about The Wedding Singer if you
guys want to hear that.
It’s from episode 71 and we
released that two years ago for
Valentine’s Day 2024.
So crazy.
It took us like 2 entire years
to get to this one, but well.
I think we were like to save it.
Like felt like, yes, we were
precious about this, just like
we were about Charlie’s Angels,
but like it totally it.
Was time.
Yeah.
And we also have an episode all
about Drew and Adam’s friendship
relationship, and that’s episode
popular episodes, so that’s
pretty cool.
I always wonder if it’s because
people think he like guessed it
on the episode.
I always think that if people
are, like, searching Adam
Sandler, they see like this
whatever podcast with his name.
Like what?
Yeah.
Whoops.
Oh well.
So Drew said it’s exciting to
make a love story with someone
you truly think is the greatest
person in the world.
It just comes naturally to me
every day to act like I’m in
love with him.
OK and then of course we have
Drew as Lucy Whitmore, she says
about the role.
I could not have enjoyed being
her more, which she loved Julia
so much too and The Wedding
Singer so I feel like her love.
I’ve really idolized Julia, I
feel like.
Yeah.
Do you think it’s a coincidence?
I’ve always wondered this, that
the names Julia and Lucy are
both like in major Beatles songs
like.
I feel like it probably has to
be a coincidence unless they
change the names in the.
I know I like.
I would love to know if they
were originally different names
because it’s such a cool, such a
cool cosmic thing, so.
Also I I feel like there it’s
probably twofold, like maybe
it’s a coincidence, but also
like Drew might have been
attracted to the roles for their
names.
Maybe, maybe maybe it was like a
sign to her right I need to do.
This and why she felt so
strongly.
Yeah, it’s just like something
cosmic about these names.
OK, Rob Schneider as Ola, I feel
like I have a lot to say about
him.
So Drew and Nancy were concerned
at first when he was kind of
describing to them what he
wanted to do with the character.
Like he’s talked about the wig
and the prosthetic eye.
But they ended up being so happy
with the resulting quote.
Endearing and wonderful
character.
And that’s kind of how I feel
Like I don’t want to like it.
I wonder if there’s like a
cultural appropriation thing we
should be upset with.
I think he’s had some, like,
really bad political views in
the last few years.
No, but you end up loving the
character.
Like, in spite of all of it.
Because he’s, like, a sweet wing
man to, like, Henry’s character.
His kids are funny.
Like, there is something.
Yeah.
It is like, you kind of want to,
like, think he’s annoying or
weird or like, is this OK?
Like a little ick.
And then it’s not.
I have to say one more thing
about the prosthetic eye.
So I noticed that K&B Studios
was listed as the.
What makeup?
No way, I totally missed that.
And which is what they did
scream, right?
So it does.
I’ve done like lots of great
stuff, but I noticed that and I
was like, what would be
prosthetic?
Maybe also Ula’s scar from like
his little like shark bite.
I just realized, well I guess
her thing is probably CG her
like makeup for her hospital
picture.
Maybe not, I don’t know.
Yeah, maybe.
Interesting.
Wow, that’s so cool.
But yeah, it can be.
I was like, whoa.
So the first thing I thought of
was the eye on Rob’s.
Yeah.
And then we have Sean Astin as
Doug Whitmore.
I low key love Sean.
That like, feels correct.
I’m like, yes, of course I
loved.
The Goonies growing up, but Drew
has also known him since the
Goonie days.
So cool and I love this fact.
So he sent a tape of himself in
character.
Some of it’s on like the DVD
featurettes, but it’s really
funny because he’s like, I think
he’s like playing maybe 2
characters or like couple
versions of this character.
Doug, it’s really funny and I
think he does an amazing job as
his character.
So he came up with the lisp and
worked out like crazy to make
his body like Botter
Bodybuilder.
Although this is like one of
many times there’s CG in the
movie.
He has like the little chest.
Yeah, but I need to describe.
I had that like chest.
Dancing, yeah.
I was really surprised to hear
that that was CGI.
But like, once I knew I would, I
could kind of tell, but I always
believed in it.
Before I just thought like, oh,
that’s one of the things he
learned to do because that would
be freaking hilarious.
But it’s also hilarious.
You would never think that was
CGI.
I mean, there are so many things
there like I forget they said in
the commentary going on a side
to side thing about like how
many?
I forgot how many it was.
It was a lot.
A lot of like tiny ones you
would never even.
Right, like waterless.
Which are the best ones you know
to me?
Yeah, exactly.
Like you don’t even know.
Let it be subtle.
That’s like a David Fincher, all
his CGI.
When you know about it, you’re
like blown away cuz you never
would have noticed it.
There’s like good YouTube videos
about that I’ll send you.
OK Finally, just to round out
the main cast, we have Blake
Clark as Marlin Whitmore, Lucy’s
dad.
Or is it?
And like when he says Marlin,
everyone just said like, the
best things to say about him.
And Drew specifically said that
he makes the tone of the film
come alive in the most profound
ways and brings a primal
parental thing.
And apparently she always called
him Dad on set, which I’m like,
of course.
Of course.
And also, like when she
described it that way and I was
watching the movie, I was like,
totally.
Yeah, he just like.
Loves her so much, wants to
protect her.
That’s his entire plan.
And he is funny because like,
he’s like a stand up comedian,
but he’s funny in like a very
subtle way in this movie, like
Merlin.
His his like timing is comedic,
but then his like character is
like, well, that’s the thing
about this movie.
I think it like toes that line
of like serious and then comedy,
like each person pretty much,
especially the main character is
especially Drew have to like
show this range.
That’s kind of insane.
Yeah, it’s definitely balancing
like 2 really different tones,
but it succeeds in my opinion.
Yep, and we’re going to shout
out a lot of the other cast
throughout this talk.
We’ve touched the major ones.
There are lots of, like, great
little people in this movie.
Yeah, it’s quite a good cast.
Yeah, it’s it’s really, I mean,
if you haven’t seen it, you’re
listening to this.
What?
But also, yeah, this has like, I
guess like a lot of Adam Sandler
movies, there’s like people who
have one great line, and some of
these are the Adam people.
There’s always like, weird
little random quirky characters.
Always, yes.
And, like, lots of ad libbing,
weirdly, Yeah.
OK, so let’s get into Drew’s
beautiful luck in this movie.
Oh.
So Drew has long blonde
extensions, which were Indian
hair extensions dyed blonde and
they were done by Susan
Lippmann.
I know that you love this hair.
Of course, the second that she
showed up with this hair in
March 2003 and it was printed in
a tabloid, I literally took it
to my hairdresser.
I was like, I want my hair this
blonde because my hair was a bit
darker than that.
And I mean, it’s still to this
day, it’s exactly how my hair is
right now.
Yeah, pretty much, which is why
that costume for you, which
we’ll talk about later, was.
So easy.
So more about Drew’s beautiful
look.
Her hair and makeup on the film
were done by Lana VG and Robin
Frederick’s respectively.
This was their very first of
many future times working on
Drew.
They were frequently
collaborators of Cameron Diaz,
including on Charlie’s Angels
Full Throttle.
So makes sense how Drew got to
know them.
Yep, both of them became some of
her best friends.
Like truly.
So it’s really neat that this is
like.
Where it started, Yeah, I didn’t
realize that.
So seeing that in the notes I
was like.
Oh, that’s so.
Cool.
I had like, I think I, I think I
remembered that they had worked
with Cameron, but I didn’t
realize this was their first
with Drew.
It’s pretty cool.
That’s fun.
Robin said that Henry is
attracted to Drew’s natural
beauty, so she made Drew look
sun kissed with tinted
moisturizer and sheer blush.
And for those of you out there
who are beauty junkies, she used
Stila and Giorgio Armani makeup
products for Drew’s look.
So there’s a little info for
you.
It is.
Very simple look, but there are
moments when like there are
little choices like we’ll talk
about like eyeliner, eyeliner.
But like usually, yeah, it’s
just sun kissed simple.
Like her lips I don’t think are
ever like a dark color in this.
Now they’re always like a simple
like light pink.
Lucy’s like a casual girl, you
know, She just like, quickly
gets ready and goes to her
breakfast.
I mean every day.
I was also thinking like Julia
is supposed to be like simple
like that.
Like she’s doesn’t.
I guess there are times when
Julia has lipstick though.
She does, But Mona Mae
specifically told us, if you
guys don’t know, we do have an
episode with costume designer
Mona Mae that she wanted just be
like, let’s throw on a dress
and, like, keep it simple, yeah.
Right.
And Drew loved that, and I feel
that way for this.
Obviously it’s very different
costume wise.
So the assistant costume
designers for Drew were Claire
and Nina Hallworth, who are
otherwise known as the Style
team.
Nina and Claire who worked for a
Drew on some of her photo shoots
and gave us a quote for the 2001
movie Line episode.
No idea.
Crazy.
Like when I was reading the
credits, I was like, Claire and
Nina, wait a second, wait a
second.
We like talk to them.
And that’s so neat to find out.
Like they didn’t even mention
that when we were.
Talking to them, Maybe they
have.
We do maybe maybe they forgot.
I feel like these people who do
just non-stop jobs, they just
don’t have it at the top of
their minds.
Like I don’t blame them and if.
We’re like specifically asking
about something they might be
like they don’t want to know
about everything else.
But yeah, who?
Knows so, Drew, said.
Her primary outfit by the end of
the filming.
She, like, hated it.
She’s.
Like, why, Oh my God, why did I
choose this outfit?
But she said it’s what felt like
something you’d wear just going
out to breakfast on a Sunday.
And actually, there was one
point when I was looking at her,
like, white cargo pants or
whatever those pants are.
Like they are like, not that
cute.
No, it’s very simple and basic.
Right.
But I was like, she had to wear
that every day.
What pants?
How many times do you think
those pants got dirty?
I.
Mean they probably had like 15
copies of them at least.
That’s true.
Consider here’s her outfit for
however many Yeah, they were
filming this.
I do love when, like, suddenly
she starts wearing a bunch of
different looks.
Yes, so many of them.
As I was watching, I was like,
oh, I had something.
I tried to copy that.
Oh, I tried to copy that look.
I was really inspired by that
one.
There’s certain dresses.
I’m like, oh I still want that
dress.
This definitely took me back to
the mid 2000s and like my
personal journey.
Yes, but like that outfit, the
white, the white pants with the
pink is obviously most of the
movie.
Yeah, the identifiable 1.
Yes, absolutely.
OK, so filming started in March
through May.
And it’s crazy.
Like it almost looks like if you
look at kind of Drew’s
chronological, what she was up
to, it’s like she finished
filming this and then
immediately was off around the
world to promote Full Throttle.
It’s just like, wow, I know.
So during filming they were
still using the title 50 First
Kisses, which I have to say, I
really kind of miss it.
I still like that name. 50 First
kisses. 50 First dates. 50 First kisses
sound sweeter.
It sounds sweeter, yeah, which
is why they changed it.
We’ll talk about that later.
But it’s kind of funny.
Some of our behind the scenes
photos, they came from Adam
Sandler’s website back then,
like as they were filming.
And they’re literally titled
FFK.
Oh, how funny.
That’s cool.
That’s one reason I like that we
keep like original titles.
Yeah.
Sometimes I do not change titles
specifically for that reason.
And other times I’m like, this
needs to be more searchable.
It’s an ongoing process we’re
going through.
Our digital archive guys.
So the movie, it was mostly
filmed on Oahu, Hawaii.
Of course, some scenes were
filmed in California, including
Malibu.
And even randomly they shot a
scene in San Francisco, which is
so interesting.
But the movie was originally, I
mean, the script was originally
set in Seattle, which again is
part of like how that really
drastic shift from the original
tone to now like rainy little
Cafe in in Seattle to this like
expansive, beautiful Hawaii
scenery.
It’s like so.
Different.
When I started to try to picture
it, I was like, oh, it’d be cool
to see her like back in Seattle
after like.
I didn’t think about that.
So many years after Mad Love.
Yeah.
And I was like, well, that like
right away.
I’m like tonally so different.
But also I’d like, want her to
be like Casey.
But I was like, oh, that would
have been really interesting to.
Yeah.
It’s like one of those weird
like sliding doors moments.
What what could have been.
But so Adam and his team, they
decided, let’s move the locale
to Hawaii like no brainer.
Adam said it was such a
spectacularly beautiful place
for a romantic comedy.
Drew said that Hawaii kind of
became this real world and this
perfect romantic setting for you
to get lost in the story and the
fantasy.
It really is like a character in
the movie.
Some of the films really have
their like location as a
character.
And this is one of them, right?
And Drew, I felt so privileged
to be working in that setting.
Apparently she also mentioned
that they’d all traveled there
together, quote, as a group
after the wedding Singer, which
was like an interesting bit of
information to me.
So it’s almost like they were
planning the Hawaiian seeds.
I don’t know.
It’s kind of.
Interesting and also like cool.
Do we have pictures of that?
There’s like pictures of her
like really horrible paparazzi
pictures like 2 of them of her
there in like January 99 and
then but like the person taking
the pictures missed Adam.
I think I know the pictures
you’re talking.
About like, is she wearing like,
is she wearing like blue board
shorts on them?
Yes, yes.
This is a kind.
Of a fun thing so Drew would
basically have the director just
roll film while she was trying
different takes or line readings
rather than having him cut.
And they developed sort of like
a shorthand with each other.
They’d call it small, medium,
large performances that so that
like levity or drama was
available at any point.
Amazing crazy like imagine being
in.
Any room, and you have two very
different reads.
One’s funny and one’s serious,
like, And you just have to make
that choice.
That’s a lot of work.
Yeah, it feels like a lot.
Of like work emotionally.
Should we start doing that?
Do you?
Want me to do 5 different
readings of every line that I
say and then you get to choose
which one you like?
Yeah.
That sounds like so fun.
But I, I don’t know, I guess
like when they say the.
Editing process was easy, I
guess because they were just
like, all right, Select, we want
this and to be big.
Yeah, like, kind of random to
imagine, but cool.
In the commentary, he reveals
that he met her when she was in
elementary school and he was
working at a news station, and
they had done a story at her
school.
And I think she says, like,
we’ve known each other and
you’re mentioning this for the
first time.
Like that’s so crazy.
He I wonder if he literally just
like.
Remember, he says, he’s just
what it seems like.
Yeah, yeah, because it was just
random in the middle of the.
Commentary, but that’s so cool.
Really neat like.
What?
According to Drew.
Life was perfect while filming,
she said.
It was fun, wholesome, communal
and a moment in her life that
felt so safe she can’t even
begin to do it justice.
And Cameron Diaz flew out there
to visit while they filmed.
And like, at the hotel room next
to Drew’s, they rented a ping
pong table to go in the common
area between their two rooms.
And they took surfing lessons
together.
And supposedly, Drew got up on
her first wave.
Drew, that’s.
Cool, wasn’t on.
Hollywood Squares, like the
thing recently was like, Drew,
let’s just surf.
I think it’s at in Hawaii, yes.
And I was like.
Why are they reading my notes in
the future like this is so
creepy.
Everything times with this.
So weird.
But I was like true right away.
I was like, I feel like I knew.
Not like that it was necessarily
linked to 50 First states, but I
feel like I knew that she
learned to surf.
So I was like true, true.
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Let’s.
Get into the movie, guys.
Yay.
So the way we.
Do these is we basically are
focusing on Drew.
This is a Drew Barrymore
podcast.
We are not going to like go
through every view of the movie.
I mean, I like to try to give a
little bit of context to what
we’re talking about, but if you
haven’t seen it, like, obviously
tons of spoilers, but also we’re
not talking about every scene.
Drew’s in most of the movie.
So we’re talking about most of
the movie, but it’s more
disjointed than that.
There you go.
Yeah.
So.
For the opening montage, were
introduced to Henry’s bachelor
marine veterinarian life.
It’s it’s things go hand in
hand, right?
Exactly it works.
It’s.
It’s very silly.
So Adam.
So I’ll just I guess I’ll just
like briefly describe, but
there’s a bunch of different
women and then there’s Kevin
James and they’re all telling
the same story, sort of like
using each whatever, finishing
each other’s sentences, telling
the story of Adam being perfect
to all these tourists.
So Adam and the director’s wives
are they appear in the dentist
scene.
So Adam’s wife Jackie, who Drew
loves Jackie.
And then I mentioned Kevin
James.
He was just on The Drew
Barrymore Show and revealed that
this was his first time in a
movie.
Yeah, that’s kind of.
I mean, he became like a pretty
good big movie actor.
So I was like, I was like, wait,
none of those were before this.
And no, I know.
Same.
Pretty cool.
So yeah.
We kind of learned that Henry is
this like big time Playboy
player in Hawaii.
He dates the Taurus, they leave,
he doesn’t like commitment.
Works out great.
Okay so he wants to do this like
big sailing trip to Alaska to
study walruses and he’s in his
boat and it like wrecks or
breaks down and so he has to
kind of go to shore and he goes
to this little cafe that he’s
never been to before.
So then this is where we get to
see our girl.
It’s interesting to me and like
once I knew, I guess I could
tell, but the cafe is a sound
stage in Culver City.
Like they couldn’t film at the
actual cafe for some reason.
So all of those scenes indoors
are a set.
It’s so weird.
And the commentary talked about
much CGI was used for this.
Like what’s visible outside of
the windows of the cafe is like
all CGI.
Well, he did say that.
There’s like birds, like real
live birds, but that they came
into.
This like yeah, sounds just
like.
An actual like kind of big matte
painting backdrop, right?
But then they added like the
reflections on the water and
like boats.
So weird, but you wouldn’t think
about.
It no you really if it didn’t.
Have movement it would.
Probably feel a little weird,
but like there, there’s a lot of
like.
There was a lot of effort to
like make the back feel real,
which is cool.
It worked.
Yeah, Drew also said that she
actually had a big zit on her
face the day they’re filming her
first appearance, and she was
incredibly self-conscious about
it.
That’s so Drew to mention that.
I know it’s kind of funny.
Like I couldn’t find it again
and who even knows the source or
how long ago it was, but I do
remember reading a rumor
somewhere online that a lot of
work went into like retouching
her face in this movie.
Which like sounded like
bullshit.
To me, but that one thing, I was
like, huh, I can’t see a zit.
Like maybe maybe it’s true.
Maybe it was just for that one
scene or something.
I don’t know.
But that’s where all the CGI
like.
Energy went was to Drews 1
pimple.
Yeah, there you go.
You can’t see.
The cover of the book she’s
reading at the table in this
very first scene, but I feel
like we got to just talk about
it now.
So Lucy is always reading the
book.
Still Life with Woodpecker by
Tom Robbins, and it was Drew’s
idea to have this be the book
because it’s about how to Make
Love stay.
So she’s like, perfect, she
said.
It.
The book asks.
That question and then goes on a
wild ride, just like the film.
Love is the one uniting,
relatable thing in everyone’s
life.
It’s what we all want and
struggle with and fight for.
And I love the version of that
we are telling here in paradise.
I love those.
Connections.
I know it’s really neat.
She also said that like, not
only is it her favorite book,
but it’s about how do you Make
Love stay and she thought that
was apropos on so many levels.
So it’s so cool.
I also, so I read this book, Oh
my God, 20 years ago now, but
the first time I read it was I
was in Hawaii.
So I don’t know how it worked
out that way.
And then the book started and
it’s in Hawaii.
So I was like oh this is an even
cooler reason for her to have
chosen this but.
And I finally read it last.
Year Like I had the paperback
for a long time and I finally
read it.
It was an odd read.
It’s a very odd book.
I don’t remember much about it,
but.
I feel like I liked it.
It’s very surrealist.
OK, like.
Really.
Weirdly surrealist.
Aren’t there like symbols?
On the Camel cigarette pack,
that like mean things.
That’s like the thing I remember
the most.
There’s somebody who’s like,
trapped.
In an attic at some point.
And like all they have in the
room with them is a cigarette
pack.
And I think they like maybe make
up a story about that.
And then there’s one point where
like they are like living in a
pyramid.
There’s like a hole on the.
Pack Yeah, yeah, like it I.
Don’t like, I don’t even
remember exactly all of the
steps of it, but it’s like a
super weird book, but it’s
really like interesting.
It took me a while to get
through it though, because I was
like, I don’t know, I won’t go
into it too much, but I remember
thinking like as I was reading
through it, I’m like, I’m not
really getting what I’m reading,
but I think I just need to keep
going.
You know what?
That is sometimes like it’s I.
Do yeah, I just.
Finished a book like that and
I’m like, I don’t know what that
whole ending was all about but
OK.
A couple more.
Things I just want to say about
this first, you know, appearance
of our girl.
So she’s making a little
structure out of her waffles and
this is the first of many will
see her do.
And I’m like, oh, this is such a
like manic Pixie girl quirky
little trait to be doing, but
like Casey Roberts, I know.
She does explain.
Like in the comments, I think it
is that it’s like, oh, she’s an
artist, so of course she’s
always going to be creating
something.
But I’m like, it’s a little hard
to buy that she does this every
day in a.
Restaurant.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
But I love that.
She’s eating alone with a book
and a crossword puzzle.
I had already noted that.
That is such a drew thing to do.
Yeah.
And then I listen to the
commentary and she points out,
like, I love to go eat by myself
with my book.
I was like, Yep, I knew it.
So originally.
They had filmed a fantasy scene
of Henry walking over to meet
her for the first time as they
ended up feeling it was
unnecessary and the director
said it hurt to cut a scene that
showed so much of their
chemistry.
He says something like clever
pick up line and then she says
like witty response.
Oh, invitation to sit.
Down.
Yes, exactly.
Back at the cafe for their meat.
Cute.
Yeah, cuz the first one I.
Always forget Henry sees her but
he doesn’t talk to her and then
he goes about and does his thing
and then he decides to come back
cuz he can’t stop thinking about
this pretty girl he saw I had
forgotten that he.
Left and came back too, yeah.
I love the guy who plays Nick.
Yeah, like, he’s like the cook
at the cafe.
His.
The actor’s name is Pomay Brown,
and this was his first movie,
which is cool, but I always love
that he calls Henry peanut
butter cups.
Me too.
He cracks.
Me up.
Me too.
I really like it.
Too simple, yeah?
Totally.
I do love that.
When So when Henry finally
approaches Lucy’s table, a cover
of the song Hold Me Now is
playing in the background and
that song is in The Wedding
Singer.
And it’s like there’s going to
be a a lot of music connections
that we’ll talk about later on.
But I just think like that was a
nice little touch.
It was driving me crazy trying
to figure out what part of the
Wedding Singer it’s in.
I still am not 100% sure, but I
think it’s like after Love
Stinks and he’s in the dumpster
and Julia’s like, well, Glenn
and I set a date so you have to
play our wedding and he’s like
all bummed out and she’s just
like a sad.
I think that’s where the IT is
in The Wedding Singer.
Someone let me know.
I didn’t get a time to check.
I tried and I couldn’t find it,
but just like in the first scene
of The Wedding Singer, they are
so cute together right off the
bat.
Like you just love these people
together.
Their chemistry is so sweet.
Like they’re so darling
together.
They really are.
You can just tell they have so
much.
Love for each other but I was
kind of thinking I and I’ve only
seen blended once and like 1/4
times but same.
I think that’s just like part of
why that movie doesn’t really
work for me because instead of
getting that like first meet
moment where you’re like just
smiling so big cuz you just love
them.
They like hate each other for
the whole beginning of that
movie.
And I think like, that’s part of
why it just doesn’t feel the
same, the same.
Yeah.
Yeah, I feel like we.
Need to rewatch it and cover it.
I mean, the last time obviously
I saw it it.
Was like on TV and it was the
beginning and I was like this is
not very good like I was.
Pretty bummed about I was at
the.
Premiere, as we’ve talked about,
Yeah.
And I don’t think I’ve watched
it again.
Yeah.
And I don’t really.
Remember it super well, but I
remember thinking like, OK, it’s
not Wedding Singer, it’s not
Yeah, they’re due for another
one like we need to do.
Yeah, we need.
Something to add tons of palette
network.
Yeah.
I love that her saying like the
smell of his fishy hands is the
best smell in the world and it
because it reminds her of her
dad and brother.
Like so that feels so Drew
somehow like, yeah, the best
smell in the world and it’s
something like fishy kind of
grass.
Yeah, I totally agree.
There are some, really.
Sweet lions in this that also
feel like them and, like you
said, like they actually love
each other, you know, So it
feels like some of the things
like, you know, it’s not
romantic love in real life, but
there’s something about the
like, real respect and love and
like, I don’t know, knowing each
other that feels like comes out.
Yeah.
Like.
You laugh.
I like.
You making me laugh?
OK, so you pointed this.
Out and I loved it cuz then I
was.
Like Oh my God, I have something
to add to this.
So there’s another yellow car
and Drew has yellow cars in Mad
Love, Wedding Singer and Never
Been Kissed.
So fun.
And here’s like another.
Thing that I think is even.
More fun.
So in this movie it’s a
Volkswagen thing, which is like
a rare Volkswagen.
So it’s like very recognizable.
And then the two of the other
cars are, well, two of the other
cars are also Volkswagen.
So in Mad Love, of course, it’s
a Volkswagen Beetle, the Herbie
car, and then in Wedding Singer
it’s a Volkswagen Rabbit.
I was like, hey, I love that.
See this.
Is why we have you on the pod
and for the car info for like.
A a little tad of car info.
I will never be the one bringing
the car info.
That’s really cool.
I love that.
Thank you for sharing.
You know, I was like, that’s a
fun little like tit, but I.
Don’t.
I never thought about it and you
just so made me picture them all
anyways.
I guess the Never been Kissed 1
doesn’t have.
To be a Volkswagen because
technically it’s her brother’s
car.
That’s a good point.
She drives.
A Buick LeSabre.
And it’s.
Not yellow.
We get a pretty good.
Look in this scene at the badge
that we have in the Druseum,
that it’s in the scene outside,
it’s hanging on her bag and it’s
like supposed to be like her
work badge.
Yeah, it’s kind of a funny.
Like why did they even?
Bother it’s such a like not
needed prop but it’s always
attached to her bag and now it’s
attached to the druseum.
Exactly.
Although.
Unfortunately, that signature is
not in her handwriting.
Yeah, and also we’ll talk about
this later, but something else
in the movie is not in her
handwriting, and we wish it was.
And of course, this scene ends
with a really cute excitement
over a crush dance.
And they’re, you know, it’s like
that’s like almost like record
scratch.
They turn around, they both
catch each other doing it
because the van that’s blocking
them pulls away.
It’s so cute.
It’s a silly, but it’s.
So cute.
It’s so cute.
Oh yeah.
And he’s like, there was a bee
on.
Me.
Drew plays that part off really
well.
Like I really believe he he
probably improvised that line
because she looks like she’s
genuinely laughing, but like
trying to not be embarrassing.
That’s so true.
Anyway, so that ends there like
first meeting.
Yeah, and they and they make
plans to meet the next.
Morning.
Great, right?
It’s going to go so well.
So we get a little fantasy
scene.
Here Henry is playing golf with
Ola and he gets knocked up by a
golf ball and he has this
fantasy scene where where Drew
is on the beach as this fantasy
girl and she’s saying Motorama
Gus guess wait, wrong movie.
You haven’t won yet if you know.
You know, if you don’t, sorry.
But it.
Definitely reminds me of that
and it cracks me up.
Supposedly, they said this is
where the famous scene from the
movie From Here to Eternity was
filmed, which was done at Hilona
Cove in Hawaii.
Does it look the same to you?
It doesn’t look the same to me.
And the director says in the
commentary that this was in
California, so I don’t know
what’s going on there.
I didn’t get too into it, but it
doesn’t look the same to me.
I mean, this picture that you
put in there, it’s so hard.
To tell like what’s in the
foreground, what’s in the
background.
But they do say it’s in
California.
So I don’t know.
I bet we could do some more
investigating, but I’m not sure.
Yeah, maybe get Lindsay.
On the case, but it would be
It’s cool to think that they
were like.
An homage to that, if nothing
else.
True.
Maybe that’s what it really was.
Yeah, there is a funny blooper
of Drew in this scene where
she’s like walking and she gets
hurt and she’s like, effing
barefoot and rocks.
Like, it’s really cute.
And of course.
We love a tattoo.
Peek around here.
When she pushes Henry down in
this fantasy onto the sand, we
get a little peek at her jade
tattoo on her back.
So love that.
We always love that and like the
further.
Away it is from like anytime she
would have been nude and you’re
seeing a lot of her tattoos, the
more it’s like, Oh my gosh,
they’re still there.
Like of course you’re right
tattoo why?
Why is that so?
True.
I totally understand what you
know what I mean.
Like especially like.
When’s the last?
I mean, she’s has so many on her
arms now.
It’s different.
And yes, I also I I love the
like the the repeating sort of
the fantasy turning into
nightmare for.
Him.
And I just want to eat.
You up?
Yeah.
Tomorrow, and the next day, and
the next day and the next.
Day, OH.
My and the next.
Day and.
The next day, yeah, it’s kind of
funny cuz he’s like.
No, I can’t.
I can’t do this.
I don’t like commitment.
So he goes on a date with
someone else, but all he can
think about is Lucy.
So then he does show up the next
morning for their little date.
Of course.
Supposedly it’s going to be
their date.
OK, so.
We’re back at the.
Cafe for their date the next day
and Adam finds out basically
immediately about Lucy’s
condition because he goes in and
she doesn’t know who he is and
she’s very confused and he’s
immediately like talking about
his fishy hands and like his
walrus she makes this face at
him.
That’s like.
Repulsed and then like I think
she calls him a creep and then
we have a flashback to the
accident.
So in the original script, since
it was in October, it was
actually a pumpkin instead of a
pineapple, and it’s splattered
during the accident upon impact
to symbolize Lucy’s brain.
And they talk about that.
They kept trying to like, make
that happen with a pineapple.
But a pineapple does not explode
the way of, you know, a pumpkin
does.
That’s interesting.
But we learn about.
What happened?
To Lucy that she she and her
father were in an accident.
They crashed into a tree and I
did the cow die?
Was I don’t?
No, the cow is OK.
That’s right.
I do love.
Amy Hill, who plays.
Sue, the cafe like owner, she
does like such a beautiful job
in this part, like telling the
story of what’s going on.
So props to her.
I always crack up at the line.
There’s like certain lines in
this.
I’m like, oh, yeah, I love that
line.
I forgot.
I always used to laugh at that
when.
So she tells this whole story to
Henry and he’s like, this sounds
like something I would tell to
get rid of a psycho girl.
Am I the psycho girl?
I think that’s so funny.
It is a good line.
So now we know what’s going on
with Lucy.
She’s got the short term memory
that wipes clean every night
when she goes to sleep.
So we’re kind of seeing now what
her life is.
So it goes and shows us.
First of all, I just have to say
it’s kind of weird that Lucy and
her brother Doug are both these
adults living with their dad.
Never like explained.
I’ve never really thought about
it but I was like.
Why don’t they both?
Live at home, right?
And at first when I like saw
your note, I was like.
Well, maybe the accident
happened years ago, right?
And he’s trying to protect her.
And I was like, oh, no.
But like, if they continued on
this path, she would.
I mean, I guess they.
‘D talk about it, she would just
get.
Old.
And then what would happen?
But yeah, already, like, I think
they’re supposed to be what
would you guess?
She’s in her 20s, thirties.
Yeah, I mean Drew’s. 20. 8 when
they filmed this right?
Yeah, yeah.
So.
And I think.
Shawn Astin’s a little older
than her, I would guess.
Yeah, it’s kind of funny, but we
get to.
See, like every.
Day, her dad paints his like,
garage white and gives her paint
to just go at it and do a mural.
She is an art teacher and she’s
an artist.
So I always think it’s like so
sad that they like paint over it
every night, but it’s so sweet
that he like, takes a photo of
it, you know?
And then you noted that there’s
an elephant in this painting.
And Drew has said that she chose
elephants as like, a symbol for
her character because of their
memories, like how they’re known
for having a great memory.
See it later in her room, too,
in the movie.
So that’s just like, a couple
times.
Yeah.
It’s.
Neat.
But it’s just like an Easter egg
that like, she was like, this is
a symbol.
Yeah, Drew, so we see that like
I said, this whole.
Sad and sweet thing that the dad
and the brother do for every
day.
They like get rid of the cake
that she made for her dad’s
birthday.
They grab a fresh new pineapple
from the freezer and the
newspaper that they had like
of the accident.
Yeah.
Yeah, the day of the accident
and then the.
Song Another Day by Paul
McCartney is playing over it
all.
And that song was Drew’s
suggestion.
She brought it in on a tape to a
story meeting.
And she said that kind of became
her mantra because it’s I think
it’s like about somebody who’s
just like bored with life and
but you can still find like some
joy in it.
So I do really like this song.
I mistakenly thought it.
Was The Beatles.
I mean, it just happens a lot
with Paul.
But I do really like this song,
and if we didn’t put it in this
episode right here, it’s because
Beatles songs get flagged and it
bothers.
Us so true, I’m sure, Paul.
Is just as stingy with his
lights and saying no I’m just
kidding.
But anyway, it’s a really sweet
song.
So that’s what’s going.
On with her life.
Every day, her dad and her
brother reset it so that she
doesn’t know that she is
reliving the same day.
Like, she doesn’t know the
difference.
And is that sustainable?
Probably not.
So we’ll see what kind of needs
to happen here.
Yeah.
So even knowing about Lucy’s
condition, Henry is still just,
like, besotted with her.
He still wants to get to know
her.
So he’s trying to come up with,
like, all these ways to meet her
every day.
And like, I could not believe
that I forgot.
No doubts underneath it all is,
like, under this entire montage.
And that, no Doubt is my
favorite band.
So I was like, oh, I got really
excited when.
Yeah.
And that was one of those.
It’s like one of the things that
feels like a little reggae.
Yes.
One of many, yeah.
Right.
It fits the vibe I.
Like when one of the times that
he like tries to get her
attention and meet her again, he
had earlier done the like
toothpick and the make a door
hinge on her Waffle House thing
and touched her thing.
When he does it the second time,
Lucy’s like, are you from a
country where it’s OK to touch
other people’s food?
I love that it’s like.
You don’t know what her mood.
Is like she might think it’s the
same day but doesn’t mean she’s
feeling the same way.
Right?
Exactly.
I thought it was fun.
Doesn’t Nick even say like she
doesn’t want to?
Be hit on during her breakfast.
This isn’t a disco or something
like that.
Yeah.
And she like another time to
get.
Rid of him.
She’s just talks in Chinese and
like pretends she doesn’t speak
English.
I was really hoping she would
have mentioned something about
that in the commentary and she
doesn’t.
But I’m like, so curious what
she’s saying because I know that
she had learned a couple phrases
from the master, the stunt
coordinator on Charlie’s Angels.
So I was like, so curious if it
was one of those things that she
learned, Yeah, that’s I bet it.
Was, I mean, yeah, probably.
If nothing else, she had the
confidence to, like do that
because of that, Yeah.
And eventually.
Henry does this like really fake
thing where he’s pretending he
doesn’t know how to read and
he’s crying over the menu and
the teacher in her can’t help
but come over even though she
knows he’s full of shit and
they’re like have a whole flirty
thing but then he gets like
scared of the commitment again
and he doesn’t ask her out.
She’s not happy.
Really.
That’s it.
That’s what all that.
Flirting and.
Phony.
I can’t read stuff.
And then you’re not even going
to ask me out for my phone
number?
I can’t read.
Oh, shut up.
No, no, no, no.
This is what?
Happened I it’s.
Mahalo for the ego boost you’re.
Right.
So at this point.
Lucy’s dad and brother tell
Henry to like, stay away, and
Henry plans to like be really
sneaky and find ways to like see
her and meet her.
So technically he’s not going to
the cafe, right?
So.
Let me get a whole.
Montage Another montage There’s
lots of montages in this movie.
OK, so a montage of.
Sneaky ways he’s trying to get
her attention.
Meet her and I love that you
noted this.
So they show her driving, which
is always so fun, but it has
this like mad love feel to it
and I think there’s a couple
reasons it’s probably like like
coastal driving.
I feel like maybe shown in mad
love, maybe maybe not either
way, but then it’s like an open
top car like her one in mad
love.
I guess it’s yeah O’donnell’s
character’s name, Matt.
Matt yeah, that.
And I.
Think there’s something about
seeing her profile, There’s a
part in Mad Love where she’s
driving her Volkswagen and it’s
like her profile.
I don’t know, it just
immediately made me think of
that.
And I was like, I love that Her
Volkswagen in this and her
Volkswagen in that.
Yeah, OK.
So.
One of.
One of the.
Ways that he tries to meet her
is he pretends his battery’s
dead or maybe he kills it I
don’t know is it actually dead
and then he tries to like trick
her that he’s getting
electrocuted and then she in
turn tricks him that her like
grandfather died trying to start
a car it’s so good my.
Grandfather died.
Trying to jump start a car.
Oh.
I’m sorry, I I was just joking
around.
I can’t believe you fell for
that.
And then?
There is a moment where.
He pretends there’s a road
closure and I like that.
They talked in the commentary.
This was fully ad libbed and
Drew, like, specifically talks
about the look that she gives
Henry in that scene.
And she said it’s like, like
that character, just almost like
she didn’t say this, but like,
found her soul mate.
Like out of all the people in
the world, she found someone who
also does this, that funny
little thing that she does
because she gives him such a
cute look.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
She’s like, you do.
Yeah, exactly.
And the director said.
He like.
The director said he couldn’t
hear them when they were filming
it, so it was just them.
Like, I know I was like, that’s
really cute.
It’s.
Really fun.
Yeah.
We also get.
A little.
Quick part where he sacrifices
his little Penguin and puts him
in the middle of the road and
hoping that she’s going to stop
but instead she dropped ACD and
I just love the nostalgia over
like pulling out ACD book in
your car guys.
If you don’t know what that was
like you’re young.
Also like dropping.
ACD that’s real.
Yeah, like and leaning over
because, you know, why not?
I’m so glad Willie the Penguin
was OK.
Oh, very much so, yes.
His.
Next little move.
Is he has ula pretend to attack
him on the side of the road so
that she stops?
Yeah.
And this was always used in the
trailers.
I feel like this is, like, such
a moment.
Everyone remembers.
And she’s so funny.
Like, yeah, she is.
Take that and that.
She looks like she’s really
wailing on him, Yeah.
Well, in a.
Featurette Rob is like in
character as Ola and he says
that she thinks he thinks she
was having a Charlie’s Angels
flashback and whacking him too
hard and he says hey look Drew
I’m not Lucy Liu like she would
be hitting Lucy.
Liu.
I know, but it’s still funny,
Elsa.
This is another scene that there
were like a bunch.
Of ad libs and apparently, and
one of them was that drew like
brought in like I’m in the
community watch program, which I
think is so funny.
I was like, that’s like a great
that I was like, that’s
memorable.
Good job, Drew.
You did good.
Hi.
Sorry, I’m in a community.
Watch program and yeah, he’s.
He’s gone now.
I would imagine.
With this group.
Of guys like she kind of had to
bring her a game of improv,
which she doesn’t normally maybe
do as much.
Even this little featurette
that’s on the DVD where Rob is
Ola and interviewing her and
Adam as themselves.
Adam and Rob are like riffing
and Drew just has to go along
with it and like come up with
responses on the fly.
Very yes.
And, you know, it’s pretty cool,
I guess, like you do, that
people are like.
That type of comedian.
And like, yeah, I don’t know.
And then one of the last little
sneaky things he does is he
pretends he’s been kidnapped and
he’s, like, tied up on the back
of his truck.
And oopsie, guess who drives by
first is Lucy’s dad and her
brother Doug.
And they’re like, what are you
doing, bud?
Like, what the Hell’s going on?
And then they tell, they tell
Henry that Lucy sings, only
sings on the days that she meets
him.
It’s really cool.
It is really cool and then they
show.
Her in the garage painting, and
it’s the first time we see her
singing.
Is it?
Wouldn’t it be nice?
Yeah.
By The Beach Boys.
So yeah, we’re.
Kind of learning you.
Know Lucy doesn’t remember
meeting Henry or anything like
that, but she’s a little happier
even though she’s still reliving
the same day she’s a little
happier on the days that they’ve
like met and flirted or whatever
they’re doing right so they’ve
noticed and they’re like.
OK, we can try something, Henry.
And then we have a bad day.
At all.
So this part’s so hard.
OK, sorry.
Go ahead.
So.
Henry sees.
Lucy at the.
Cafe.
I don’t really remember the
exchange, but she says she has a
boyfriend and she says his
name’s Ringo.
Is his last name Starr
McCartney?
It’s so silly.
I like.
It she’s not in the mood to.
Talk to him this day.
Right, So.
At the cafe, like, right, kind
of right after that moment, Lucy
realizes she’s getting a ticket
on her car outside.
So she’s getting like a parking
ticket.
And this is when like kind of
everything blows up.
She like figures out that it’s
not the day she thought it was,
that she’s a newspaper that her
like, you know, family has been
handing her every day.
Like it’s a it’s more than a
year later, but I like the scene
where the cop is.
Like telling her her plates are
expired and like I like how Drew
like is really angry about it.
She’s like, this is ridiculous.
The tags don’t expire for seven.
Months expired May of this year,
no.
No, no, they expire.
May of.
Next year, Officer, I think
there’s been a misunderstanding.
I don’t this is ridiculous.
I’m.
Not paying for this.
It’s October.
Excuse me, can I borrow this
look?
October, Lucy, Let’s go back
inside.
What?
I guess she gets in her car and
drives home because.
She’s like Hawking on the horn.
And that’s when the.
Dad’s like we’re having a bad
day.
That’s right.
That’s right.
Bad day, Doug.
Or whatever he says.
Yeah.
There’s a scene that was cut
where Lucy’s, like, flipping out
in the garage and, like,
throwing her paint cans on the
wall, and then she runs out to
the pier.
And then.
Yeah.
And then I saw this pier in
person.
I was in Hawaii a few years ago.
I don’t even know how long ago
it was.
Now it’s called.
Called Waikoni Pier and I almost
forgot about it.
As soon as I saw it, I was like,
Anne was there.
I now remember the.
Journey there that it was like.
Way up on the North Shore, like
almost like as far up as you
could go on the road.
Wow.
In the North Shore, Like it was.
I remember his way up there
because.
Did you go just to see it?
Yeah.
That’s awesome.
Yeah.
OK, so.
This is just.
It’s so sad.
Like she’s realizing the truth.
The dad is showing her, like
what they do every day.
This is the reality.
Like they show her a photo of
her in the hospital and the
article about the accident.
And I’m always I was.
I literally wrote don’t make me
cry, Drew.
Yeah.
It’s so sad.
It is.
Really sad.
Drew talked about how much range
that she was able to perform on
this day and she said she was
like clinging to the director,
like making sure you got the
tone right.
She says it was a really hard
day And and the director says
like he knew that she had to
like really had a job to do that
day and people really, really
like on point and like giving
her the space that she needed
and all this stuff.
But that’s so cool.
And he I mean, he’s just like
commending her incredible
performance.
I mean, like I said, she’s
making me cry.
So it.
Worked.
Yeah, I mean it.
It’s.
It’s in a comedy to.
Have something where suddenly.
You have to reveal this like
like.
Really traumatic thing that’s
happened to somebody.
And then she has to like, act
like she’s learning.
That for the first.
I don’t know, it’s a lot.
It is.
She does great.
So then.
They like she’s like I need to
meet.
This doctor, her dad says she’s
done it before, but they go to
meet the doctor that, you know,
worked on her brain basically
after the accident.
I’ll say a couple of things
about it before we kind of get
into the scene.
So the institutes called the
Callahan Institute, and it’s
named after the company Callahan
Auto and Tommy Boy, which is the
same director.
I thought that was a fun little
thing.
That is fun, especially Drew
went to that premiere.
And you love that outfit like
that.
Full circle.
Always, always.
Coming back to the Drew.
Circle yeah and then another
little tidbit is that the
doctors played by Dan Aykroyd he
had been in two other of the
directors previous movies but
also he’s like major SNL yeah
alum so huge for Drew.
I think she like says like icon
or whatever she says in the
commentary like that makes sense
and it’s great like he’s.
Great in it.
He’s like.
Only in a few scenes and he’s
great.
Perfect.
Perfectly.
Dan Aykroyd.
Totally.
Oh yeah, and you love.
My girl, right?
Yeah, that’s cool for you.
I like that.
I’ve always.
Thought she looks.
Especially pretty in this scene,
it might be because it’s the
first time her little clipped
back hair is just like down.
I don’t know if that’s it or if
her makeup is slightly
different, but she just looks
beautiful in that scene.
She really does it.
It’s very.
Funny, we have like one of the.
Adam Sandler, dudes, I don’t
even have his name written down,
but you’ll guys know who he is
at one of the security guards at
the Callahan Institute is the
guy from the beginning of The
Wedding Singer who gives out
alcohol to the kid at the
wedding.
So that’s like a fun little, you
know, through line.
And then we also get Alan
Covert, who is Sammy, the limo
driver in The Wedding Singer.
And then this movie has a very
small part.
He is 10 second Tom.
A guy whose memory resets every
And this is where my favorite.
Delivery of Marlin because he’s
meeting Tom for the second time
within 20 seconds.
Marlin.
Hi, I’m Tom.
Hi, I’m Lucy.
Hi.
Doug, hey.
Marlin.
But you know it’s.
Kind of interesting Lucy comes
away from this, you know, kind
of making peace with it.
She’s upset about it, but she is
interested about this guy,
Henry, who she doesn’t really
know, but he’s clearly there for
her.
And she’s, like, says to him at
the end of the night, like, I
don’t want you to strike out
tomorrow.
Yeah.
So bring me some lilies.
They’re my favorite flower.
And I thought like, oh, I was
hoping it would be Daisies.
That’s interesting that she
picked Lily’s something
different.
Well, I thought maybe it feels
like more.
Hawaiian or something, maybe.
I don’t know what it is.
OK, so now we get into this
whole new thing, this whole new
era of the movie, basically when
they’re trying something new.
Yeah, it’s so cool.
So Henry gets the idea.
Like he’s like points out, you
know, not only is she learning
about this horrible thing that
happened to her, but she’s also
learning that you guys are lying
to her every day.
Like she has to deal with that
too.
So he’s like, can I just try one
time?
Like if it doesn’t work out, you
know, it’s OK.
She’s not going to remember.
And so he makes her this video,
this Good morning Lucy videotape
and delivers it to her with
daisies.
And she goes and puts it in and
it catches her up on everything,
that it’s like a bunch of silly,
like pop culture references.
And then like, here’s what why
you don’t remember them and tell
us about the accident.
And then Henry is talking to the
camera directly.
And it’s very sweet.
I think it’s really funny that
there’s like a little Red Sox
World Series joke, like the Red
Sox won the World Series.
Ha, ha, just kidding.
That would never happen.
And it’s like, oh, it comes out
in 2004.
And then she goes and films
Fever Pitch and they do win the
World Series that day and that
year.
It’s so funny.
It is really funny because it’s
like.
Did they make it happen?
I know and also I noticed in
the.
Credits it mentions like that
that was a like a specifically
put in there as a jab against
like 4 of the guys who worked on
the movie.
It’s so funny.
So also in this video.
We have Ola kind of playing
Lucy, so he’s like wearing a
pink.
Shirt and has.
Coconuts for boobs and a mop on
his head for hair, and I love
that this has become such a
popular Halloween costume.
So as Lucy, like if you just
Google Ula 50 First dates costume,
you’ll see a ton of what I’m
talking about.
It is different, right, right.
It is really funny that that.
End up being a costume.
I’m Speaking of costumes.
What did you do last year?
Yeah, so last Halloween.
So the previous year my husband
and I had done The Wedding
Singer and I was like, oh, it’d
be so cute to do 5o First Dates is
like a little follow up.
You’re going to do blend the
next, right?
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Everyone will recognize that.
So we were Lucy and Henry, and
then our daughter was a
pineapple.
So it was really sweet.
I really would have liked my
older daughter to participate,
but like, what’s she going to be
Henry’s assistant?
She’s going to be a green.
She loves cows, doesn’t she?
That would have been perfect.
Missed opportunity where?
Were you last year when we were
planning this?
Dang it.
Yes, the video is incredibly
sweet.
Her face the entire time is also
really sweet.
And I love the fact that Drew
Drew was reacting to nothing on
the day as Lucy.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Like the?
The director was just.
Describing to her what she was
supposedly seeing in the video
and she was reacting to it.
So like they knew what the
contents were going to be to
some extent, but she had
nothing.
She was looking at a blank
screen.
I was like, that is that’s
really cool.
Makes it like that much more
amazing.
I mean they’re.
Like, yeah, that’s like master
class.
That’s so cool.
Yeah.
Good job, Drew.
Yeah, totally.
And.
Then we have them going on like
actual like love dates.
Yeah, now that every morning she
knows.
What’s going on?
She doesn’t want to relive the
same day.
So now they get to have a
relationship in a totally
different way.
Yeah, so we got.
This really beautiful scene
where drew an Adam of being shot
in like the golden sun like
looking and the scene is like
towards a tree.
It’s like silhouetted and
glowing.
It’s so beautiful.
Really.
Yeah.
It’s so pretty.
And they’re like noticing that
the bark was healing and it’s
the tree that she hit with her
car.
I think I had never realized
that before.
They like noticed the lion not
till this time.
So I love.
That you noted that.
And apparently Drew and Nancy
had to fight for this scene to
stay.
I’m very curious why.
I don’t know if they like super
explain talk about it a little
bit I think.
It would they just kind of
thought like, oh, we can cut
that.
But Drew and Nancy were like,
no, this is like the transition
moment like this is like really
important to the love story.
So good job guys.
I’m glad flower won that.
I’ll say one more thing about
like the the.
Like scene.
I think they said that the
director of photography is from
like he’s like a famous director
of photography.
I’m blanking on what films they
said he did.
Unforgiven was the 1 I think.
Maybe he got an Oscar for that
one.
They mentioned that one a couple
times, but like this I feel like
they’re maybe talking.
About it even in the commentary
during this or something, maybe
not but this is what I picture
I’m like oh there is this like
beautiful like this is like
cinematically beautiful.
Totally.
Yeah, they also talk about.
Just one more thing.
About like the the scene and the
lighting because it’s so
gorgeous.
In the commentary, they say it
was like really difficult to
capture this light and they were
like running around to make it
happen.
It was like, because it’s like,
it’s just disappearing.
It’s like literally.
The sun is like on the horizon
dropping.
That’s the sunset for you.
That’s part of why I love.
Them, it’s like you gotta run
out and see it right now because
it’s going to change in
fleeting.
It’s ephemeral.
Yeah, it is.
Yeah.
I always this is.
One of the.
Dresses that I still have it to
this day, the blue like Navy
blue dress with the white polka
dots.
And this is the one that she’s
wearing in the poster.
So that’s pretty cool, right?
And it’s it is super cute.
Yeah.
So they just have like all this
cute little flirting moments in
the scene.
And I don’t even remember what
he says to her, but she does.
A little cat hiss back at him.
And I was like.
It’s like.
Yeah, it’s just like in Babes in
Toyland.
How we noticed she does it in
that I love that she’s so
consistent Yeah, exactly their.
Next.
Little date is.
They’re at a party on the beach
with all her friends.
Like she hasn’t seen her friends
since the accident.
It’s just crazy.
This one was filmed in Malibu
and we have paparazzi pictures
of this being filmed.
It was like a really big deal
when those came out.
I remember we get Maya Rudolph,
which is really fun.
And I was like, oh, apparently
she’s also duplex.
Don’t remember that.
No memory.
No memory of that.
She’s Drew’s like.
Work friend in the movie.
So totally forgot about that.
That’s really neat that they’ve
done that twice now.
Yeah.
And on the Drew Barrymore Show
in 2024, Maya said, like she was
so excited to get to go to
Hawaii and work with Drew and
Adam, and then they ended up
just doing it in Malibu.
She just.
Had to like.
Drive down the street and I
don’t know if she’s.
LA based.
I feel like she is and.
Unfortunately.
We didn’t even mention it with
Henry’s assistant, but Lexi,
yeah, we get like these
transphobic kind of jokes.
And we had these in The Wedding
Singer too.
Don’t love them.
Haven’t aged well.
And there’s like a whole thing
with a character with that which
I just want to like acknowledge
it, that we both are like, I
think it’s important to
acknowledge it, but it.
Also feels like that’s a little
bit like, maybe not now, but
like Adam Sandler’s humor, Like,
that’s obviously like their
side.
Yeah.
So this is OK, yes.
This is like at the.
End of, like, the party day or
it’s the evening at the beach,
and Lucy starts to record Henry
with a camcorder, like, kind of
saying she wants to like,
through her own eyes, sort of
like, tell herself the story,
what’s going on with her.
Like, so cool.
Yeah.
And in which she.
Asks, Do you love me?
What do you?
Want to know?
Do you love me?
I didn’t mean to put you on the
spot.
Or anything I.
Was just asking more for
informational purposes as to
keep the video up to date as
possible.
Sure.
Love is a very loaded.
Word.
I see I I go to this.
Restaurant Every.
Morning and I see you there
reading and.
I love you very much.
Probably more than.
Anybody could love another.
Person.
And it’s, it’s really sweet.
It’s.
Beautiful.
It is really sweet.
Drew said in the commentary,
too, that that the scene, like,
really captures the way, like,
the world falls away when you’re
falling in love, which I think
is so sweet because they, like,
isolate themselves.
And then it’s sort of like
they’re alone in this, like
framed by this, like, cave.
I don’t know.
It’s really cool.
Yeah, since you mentioned.
The Cave it is the Leo Carrillo
cave in Malibu.
Cool if you guys wanted to know
that it’s really hard to see in
this shop because it’s dark, but
this is the first of a couple
times where we mentioned the
eyeliner.
We have this eyeliner that we
love that Drew used to be like
part owner with Jillian Fink
Dempsey’s line Deluxe, which
doesn’t exist anymore.
But there was this eyeliner
called Chimpy Blue that we
loved.
And it turns out that Jillian’s
current line also still has
literally even named Chimpy Blue
eyeliner.
Joalena found it for me on
Poshmark, like a brand new one
that was like super inexpensive.
And so I bought it and then a
couple days later the person’s
like, I just moved and I can’t
find it anywhere.
And here’s your money back.
So I still need to get my Chimpy
Blue.
But even if it’s not that exact
one, it’s definitely like very
inspired by it, definitely akin
to Chimpy Blue.
If it is not chimpy blue, that’s
a very specific look that we
loved, so I love that you
pointed it out and of course
this.
Begins the like.
Reoccurring thing of Lucy saying
nothing beats the first kiss.
So sweet right?
And it like happens every time.
They show these like it’s a date
montage basically.
So we, so we go now to the
lighthouse that I saw in Hawaii,
the Makapu lighthouse, really
sweet little scene.
She says nothing beats the first
kiss.
There is a pineapple field.
And in the commentary, they say,
like, similarly to the tree
thing, it was like fleeting
light ’cause they’re like, also
like silhouetted on the hill.
And they said like, Adam and
Drew had to like, run up to get
it.
So sweet.
But again, a kiss.
And then then we go to the
aquarium where he works.
Yeah.
So I’m.
Pretty positive.
This is the shirt that I own.
I have a shirt like all of the
costumes from this movie were
sold by Sony, so I bought this
one.
It looks very brown in the movie
and it looks green in person.
But we know that lighting can be
really tricky.
But I swear to God, when I first
got it, it had that indoor water
smell that, you know, like, you
smell it like Pirates of the
Caribbean.
Interesting.
And so I’m like extra convinced
it was not the aquarium that is
the scene.
Do you remember how?
Long after the.
Movie came out, they sold the
costumes like when you bought
it, it was immediately like.
Very soon after the movie came
out and, and luckily we have a
lot of the auction pictures in
our files.
So fun to see all the things
that they sold.
Yeah, yeah, totally so.
They’re like making.
Out a little bit and I love that
Lucy says this to him as he’s
like a feeling her up.
Doing nothing I was.
Just getting some lint.
Off for you.
You’re going for a field ski.
All right.
It is really cute cuz.
Like, once again, you’re
reminded it’s all new to her.
Yeah, I know.
When you really think about it
like.
Sometimes you’re like, oh, is
that uncomfortable for her?
But like, there is something she
senses about this guy that’s
familiar to her, you know?
Right.
I mean, I I know I started
thinking about it more.
Like, oh, you have to convince
yourself, but you’re already in
love.
Yeah, it’s wild.
I know.
And then we get.
To meet the walrus Jocko.
Who’s so cute?
He’s like, he’s a character in
the movie.
Yeah, he’s so cute.
The beginning part where he
does.
That little like, dance with
Adam.
Oh my gosh, adorable.
Drew said.
She loved him so much.
Get ready for this druism.
She practically strapped on a
saddle and started riding him.
That’s an image.
It totally is.
And of course.
She said that and like.
They she decides to take.
It to the next level with him
and they go into his little
aquarium room that like he has a
window in the actual tank and
like Ola is in there swimming
and like making little, you
know, sexual gestures.
I’m like, this is such a like
Sandler movie thing.
Yes.
And, and I love that Lucy’s just
laying.
There looking like oblivious,
yeah.
OK, then we got like.
This incredibly sweet song.
So Adam Sandler writes a song
for the character just like he
did in The Wedding Singer.
So it’s called Forgetful Lucy.
And just like with the wedding,
singers grow old with you.
Drew hears it for the first time
while they’re filming and
insisted on it.
Yeah.
So her reactions are genuine for
the first time.
It’s so smart, so cool and so
sweet.
Yeah, that.
Was the place we like each other
right away.
Like you didn’t Remember Me in
the very next stage.
Forget it’s got a nice couple.
See.
It’s definitely like more.
Comical than grow old with you.
Like, it has sweet moments, but
it also has, like, really goofy
for the laugh moments.
Yeah.
So it’s not, I don’t love it as
much, but it’s still precious.
And there’s like, dolphins
jumping behind them.
It’s a it’s a very romantic
moment.
It is.
So there is a little deleted
scene here where after they, you
know, get a little busy at the
aquarium and he sings her the
song.
Henry takes her home and Marlon
is waiting up for her.
Like, you know, she’s like 20-8
but OK.
And Henry let’s Marlon and Doug
take his boat out for the night
to go fishing in the night.
I guess that’s the thing you do.
And so then when Lucy, like,
finds out that they’re alone,
she invites him upstairs in a
very, like, flirtatious way.
But it ended up feeling
redundant since they literally
had just quote, UN quote,
consummated the relationship,
like earlier that evening.
So they just took it out.
But Drew looks really pretty
standing on the, like, the
little balcony next to her room.
Yeah, she does look really
pretty somehow that.
Like that robe and the like.
I don’t know what it is is why
does she look so incredibly
pretty?
She just does.
They said it was like the.
Scenes of her.
On the balcony were like a
reshoot because they didn’t have
the upstairs of the house when
they were doing the original
filming.
And I was like, that’s so
interesting.
I started to like try to, I
didn’t like go back and look and
see if like her hair looks
really different.
But it might be worth looking.
That’s funny, if you can tell
back into the actual finished
film we.
Get a scene of them about to
fall asleep together in Lucy’s
bed.
And it’s really sweet.
Like he’s trying to keep her
from falling asleep because her
memory is going to reset.
She’s like, I promise I won’t
forget you.
And he asks her to marry him.
And she says, of course.
And it’s like, oh, how sweet.
But you know, her memory resets,
yes, so I do.
Kind of like.
That we get.
Like verbal consent from her at
some point that she, yes, she
would want to marry, but sort of
standing a little, like a
little.
Better.
I guess like she has had this
is.
Like, is this supposed to be,
like, pretty soon after, like
the video?
I guess we don’t really know how
much time has passed.
We don’t.
But still.
Like, I think, I mean, obviously
things are fresh for every day,
but I was also going to say
like, still, like, relatively
new.
Yeah, So we get to the morning
after.
So they have literally fallen
asleep together in the same bed.
This is like, you know,
unprecedented in this moment.
And this is like a big trailer
moment as well because Drew,
like, she opens her eyes and
immediately screams in his face.
I mean, of course it’s done
comedically because it’s comedy,
but she’s freaked out.
There’s this basically a
stranger in her bed.
Terrifying.
Yeah.
And then?
We get elephants.
On her bedroom walls.
So that theme of like, you know,
the good memory of the elephants
is, like, shown again in her
bedroom.
And at this moment, I think
it’s, I think she’s just like
overhearing something.
Yeah.
Lucy learns about Henry’s dream
of taking a boat to Alaska.
So she’s learning like this is.
I think he says something like I
have to stay here with Lucy.
She’s making.
Yeah, progress.
Yeah, I know.
And the.
Doctor’s like she’s not making
progress.
Like that’s not a thing.
She’s never going to remember
you.
Like, please don’t believe that.
And it’s important that that’s
stated.
But he still wants to stay.
And, you know, now she’s
starting to feel a little bit
guilty, I think.
Yeah, totally.
So Lucy visits.
Henry at his.
Work and she’s coming to break
up with him.
It’s kind of cool.
They hosted like a dozen
children from the Make a Wish
Foundation on the set this day.
So we have a couple photos of
Drew talking to them.
There’s even like video footage
that somebody put on YouTube.
I made an entire YouTube
playlist of 50 First Dates content,
so I’ll link to that on the
episode page because there’s all
kinds of fun stuff out there.
Awesome.
But back to the movie.
So Lucy brings her journal to
like show Henry that she’s
actually been writing to herself
every night as well, which is
really cool.
But I’m so bummed that it’s not
in Drew’s actual handwriting
because usually she will write
things for real for her
characters.
And I don’t know if it was just
like too big of a project.
I was just going to say.
And they’re like, think of how
many?
Things that she was.
Like cramming in back-to-back,
like as far as movie she was
filming.
So they’re like, at this time.
Good point.
Like, we can’t have her, like,
help with the props this time,
sadly.
But I know we always are, like,
craving for, like, things to be
in her handwriting.
Totally.
Yeah.
And there’s really beautiful
close-ups of her in this scene.
And again, you can sort of see
that blue eyeliner we were
talking about on her lower lids.
She’s gorgeous.
And I think you’re totally right
that it’s.
Like, I don’t know, it feels
like like Chimpy has such a
specific like, yeah, brightness
shade.
Yeah, that like, I don’t know.
How do we find out for sure?
I guess there’s probably no way
when we when we ever get Jillian
on the.
Podcast.
Yeah, that’s true.
OK, so then we get this scene
that that they kind of say in
the commentary, it was hard to
like, execute.
So Drew’s got this journal and
they’re trying to kind of show
that she’s like removing him
from the journal while rewriting
the parts that she, like, needs
to remember.
Yeah, cuz she wants him to go
live his dream.
Yeah.
It’s really sweet.
And I’m like, they keep like
seeing little, like whatever
things that I don’t know what I
was going to say.
I was going to say something
about like one specific scene.
Yeah.
There’s things she wrote about
him and.
They’re like, oh, he makes a
funny sound if I kiss him here,
do it often or something like
that.
Oh, OK, I’m glad you said that
because that’s the thing, I was.
Thinking of, but I was like, she
says like I’m going to miss
that.
And when she says that, I’m
like, does she mean because
today she did it?
Or she just imagines she would
miss that.
Right.
I was like, it’s a cute.
Line.
It’s a cute exchange, but when
she.
Says that it takes me out of it
just to let that it’s pretty
funny.
And then we get.
This scene in the pouring rain
where Lucy asks Henry, could I
have one last?
First kiss and of course, her
white shirt.
Ends up completely wet, because
of course it does.
And I think that’s funny because
I’ve always noticed that.
I know.
I feel like I remember you like.
Mentioning it, I think of you.
And I think of that scene
that’s.
Fine.
Well, I mean, rain also is my
thing.
The director says in the
commentary that they had to blur
out her nipples for the airline
cut because apparently, like,
that’s something that you can’t,
like, show on an airplane.
Oh my God.
And then Drew says the twins.
It like, really makes him laugh.
So that I love that it’s like a
dress and that they like make a
joke out of it.
It’s really, Oh my gosh, that’s
great.
So then we just get like, I
called it the sad montage.
So Henry, he’s broke, been
broken up with, so he’s going to
go off on his Alaska trip.
But before that, like he’s
preparing and there’s just all
these sad moments that they
show.
Lots of montages.
Like we said, I think it’s
really cute that he’s at work
and a reflection of light goes
on his face, just, like at the
beginning, a reflection off of
her knife at the cafe caught his
attention.
And this time it’s her with,
like, people, I think, from the
Callahan Institute.
And she’s holding a clipboard.
And like, that light shines on
his face and he kind of, like,
gets excited.
She looks at him and she just,
like, gives him a little smile,
like, oh, you’re cute and walks
on.
And then he’s like, Oh yeah.
And I always left her little
cloud shirt here.
It feels very different for the
character, but I’m like, oh,
that’s always fun.
I always liked it.
I like clouds.
It is really cute.
I would wear that.
And then, like I said, Henry.
Is going to leave and Marlin
gives him ACD and again, I’m
like, oh, I just love how CDs
and videotapes are totally so
prevalent in this movie.
It’s like the end of that era.
I know like which is they’re
still there and it almost feels
too late for them, but like
they’re going to be gone soon.
I mean it’s I’m just going to
say it again.
It’s 20.
Two years ago and they were like
surprised that that was in
there.
So weird we’re of the physical
media era like we it’s hard for
us to not think that way.
I still have my C DS.
I don’t listen to them but I
have them.
Same.
OK, so the CD.
That they give him is a Beach
Boys CD and he immediately is
like, of course they give me
something that will remind me of
her.
And then they they cut to like
him playing it and then like
singing and crying along to The
Beach Boys song that she sings.
Wouldn’t it be nice?
And Drew says she’s like, I love
this scene so much.
She’s like really my favorite
scenes of the.
Movie like she.
Says it cracks her up so much.
It it is really goofy.
It’s so goofy.
That’s funny, yeah.
She like, says she loves it.
I mean it’s.
Like one of those things that
like it’s again, crossing that
line of like, it’s really sad.
But of course we’re like they
have to remind you that it’s a
comedy.
Yeah, that’s true.
I always.
Get like a little confused at
this part is like why he thinks
that this means she remembers
him right?
Like doesn’t have it doesn’t
work for me.
Yeah.
And well, she’s like they’re
trying to tell me.
Something.
Yeah.
He’s looking for any reason to
come.
Back you’re.
Right, OK, right.
I like it when you think of it.
That way he’s like, I really
don’t want to go right so.
Like he.
Rushes to the Callahan
Institute.
He knows that she’s there.
She’s like, moved to the
institute, I think, right?
She’s like working there, right?
Teaching art, I guess.
Yeah.
She walks by one of her art
students and she says, Julia,
that looks great.
And I’m like, OK, that it has to
be intentional.
It has to be.
It has to be.
Yeah.
So Henry comes up to her and
he’s like, do you have any idea
who I am?
And she’s just kind of looking
at him interestingly, but she
says, no, but I, I’d like to
show you something.
And so she takes him into like a
backroom that we’re all her
artwork is and studio.
Yeah, it’s all renderings of
him.
I don’t know who you are, Henry.
But I dream about you, almost.
Every night.
What would you say?
If I told you that.
Notebook you read every day used
to have a lot of stuff about me
and.
I would say that that makes a
lot of sense.
Oh, it’s so precious.
Like it’s so sweet and they say
in the.
Commentary that they didn’t want
the the paintings to be too
funny.
Oh, and they said they wanted
like.
The egg to.
Get the laugh.
So like everything else, they
show the all the other paintings
and then they go to the egg and
that’s what’s supposed to be
like, Oh, finally that’s funny.
But you kind of look and it’s
like they’re actually like
really awesome renditions.
Like there’s I know and I love.
This Nancy Juvonen owns one of
these, and you can see it in a
listing for her and Jimmy
Fallon’s Penthouse.
So I’ll share that picture on
the episode page because it’s
really neat to see.
That is so fun.
Yes, and when when Lucy says to
Henry, Henry, nice to meet you,
it reminded me that she’s also
with a Henry.
And ever after, I don’t think
I’ve ever made that connection.
I just suddenly did towards the
end of the movie on.
This last watch, never before so
and like, no offense to Henry’s,
but it’s not really a.
Name that like makes me think of
a hot guy.
So hey, it was my grandpa’s
name.
I’m sorry.
Yeah.
Are you just pretending that
your grandpa?
And he died from jump starting a
car.
I mean I’m just pretending.
Gotcha.
Now what does she say?
Can’t.
I can’t believe you felt it.
Yeah.
OK, so then we we get to our
ending in Alaska.
So this is kind of like a
whirlwind wrapping up basically
what happened to them.
But it’s it’s neat the way they
did it.
Yeah, so Drew and.
Nancy.
Felt very strongly that the
ending needed to be what it is
rather than quote UN quote what
it could have been like if they
had like sold out and said Lucy
was like cured, which is
something I guess the studio
wanted.
Like that would be a terrible
idea.
Yeah.
I’m not surprised though.
I think the.
Way of like, oh, I dream about
you is a really good compromise.
Yeah, me too.
I don’t remember you.
But like.
You’re in my mind somewhere, so
you made an impact even though
my mind.
Is broken like that feels
magical.
It’s like magical thinking on
its own, but also like she’s not
healed totally.
It’s an ongoing process.
That’s why Drew’s like, how do
you Make Love, say is such a
good thing for this?
Yeah.
So Drew said the original ending
in the original script was her
saying you should go and live
your life because there’s no
life here.
And he goes away as he does.
And he comes back and he walks
into the restaurant and he just
sits down and says, hi, I’m
Henry.
And the film ends.
So like the same?
Idea he’s still like doing what
he’s doing, but like, I guess
she doesn’t get as happy as an
ending.
Some people find the ending of
this movie to be like a
horrible, scary, awful thing to
imagine which like.
I think I’ve even seen it recut
as.
Like a horror fell well, if she.
Has a bad day?
And she has a bad day on a boat.
Yeah, I also.
Found something where the
director Pete says that there
was a script version ending that
had Lucy waking up in bed and
she had a mural that she painted
on her ceiling that tells the
story of her accident and her
life since.
And then as her eyes pan from
left to right, she turns and
sees Henry lying next to her.
But because she’s seen him in
this mural, she knows he’s safe.
She’s not as freaked.
Out which is really like a.
Beautiful way of doing it.
It’s pretty cool.
I guess I could see how like if
that had been done.
It’s very visual, like, yeah,
but that would have probably
been hard to execute too.
It’d be hard to execute and I
guess they really like the.
Idea of also making sure that
like Henry still went and did
his dream right so they they
like that idea a little bit more
yeah so yeah.
So Lucy.
Wakes up and.
There’s her tape and she puts it
in and she finds out that she’s
married.
Yeah.
So again, I’m like, thank God
that we saw him propose in her,
except.
Right.
And I I always.
Love seeing.
Bride.
Drew in movies.
I don’t know why, it just
really, really does it for me.
I feel like I like all her movie
bride looks more than her real
bride looks.
She looks beautiful.
Yeah, she does.
And it’s just such a short
scene.
I think there’s a little bit
more in one of the other like
featurette type things, like
another little clip and you see
like a little bit more of her
dress.
Yeah.
But yeah, so the I guess, I
guess she’s kind of started to
explain that she watches the
tape, but I think she still
doesn’t know she was where she
is.
No, because Henry says like put
on a.
Jacket it’s really cold outside
or something like that.
That’s right.
So.
This is another like, big CGI
thing.
So the scenery and the wide
shots were shot in Blackstone
Bay, Alaska.
I’m just going to say one thing
about Alaska, I guess, before I
move on.
I was like, yeah, oh, Alaska’s
so much closer to Seattle than
Hawaii.
That’s because I always.
Thought like.
That’s.
Very far.
I wonder if.
It was Alaska in the original
script and then they just left
it a lot of sense I bet.
You’re right because think if
you were to go to Alaska from.
Seattle, Yeah.
Like it’s still.
It’s probably still long, but.
It would be like weeks on it
anyway, So I had that thought
and I was like, Oh, just knowing
that geography, like
geographically as a W coaster,
like, you know, anyway, so so
back to the scene.
So scenery and wide shots shot
in Blackstone be Alaska drew on
the boat looking out the window
was shot on a stage in Hawaii.
So just like completely indoors
and I love that we have footage
of this.
That’s.
On the DVD, it’s really neat to
see.
Oh, it’s so cool.
Yeah, it is.
To see like before they kind of
edit in the like window, it
pulls back and then they’re
outside.
The other boat scenes that she’s
in were done in Hawaii with
Alaskan background overlaid.
So like huge CGI.
Also, she says she was like
sweating in the parka in Hawaii
because she had to like pretend
it was cold and they had to like
CGI like breath, you know, like
it was cold outside.
I.
Also said something where they
said.
They had like.
Like buoys in the water and then
they use those to be for like
iceberg, right?
Right, it’s it’s, I would never
would have thought, though it’s
not something me neither about.
And it’s like done very well.
It’s done very well.
And also this scene is
incredibly heartfelt.
So she’s like, of course she
finds that.
But it’s like, anyway, it’s also
like you said, like scary cuz
she’s like, OK, she finds out
she’s married.
Then it’s revealed to her by
looking out the window that
she’s on a boat and then she
goes upstairs in the boat to the
deck and she has a daughter.
Oh my God.
Cuz I don’t think they she
learns that on the tape.
No.
You think they would have put
that on the?
Tape.
But then it wouldn’t be as
impactful because we get that
moment, right?
She hugs, I’m gonna cry.
Just she hugs the little girl
and she says, Oh my goodness,
good.
Morning.
Oh my.
Goodness.
Grandpa’s here.
Yeah, the way she says it is
very.
Like, it makes you, like, crack
immediately.
Yeah.
Drew gets choked up in the
commentary during the scene and
says it’s so meaningful that
Lucy and Henry are making it
work.
Like she’s just like, this is
like going so far to make it
work somehow.
It’s also wild that’s before
she.
Really had daughters in real
life so but it makes it extra
just gets me and I do love that
her dad is also there.
I think that was a great choice
because it’s like okay someone I
know is here and I’d like to
think that even if her memory is
never going to be fixed, like
something about re watching this
tape everyday like feels
familiar at least there’s like
the more she watches it the more
the less freaked out it is.
But I don’t know, maybe that’s
just me trying to make the
ending nice.
Scientifically it can’t be, but.
It’s like, OK, fine, OK, Dan.
Aykroyd, I am a doctor if you
didn’t.
Know the movie is.
Dedicated to it, to the.
Memory of Adam’s dad Stanley
Drew in like when they’re
talking about this in the
commentary, she says that old
Drew adage about Co workers
being her family and she says
like the familiar and the
familial, which I really like.
It’s really sweet.
And like, you know, she’s I
don’t know, they’re like she’s
like kind of branching off of
like how they are her family.
I don’t know.
It’s really sweet.
That’s so sweet.
Also, her dad died the year this
movie came out.
That’s kind of wild.
Yeah, I didn’t think about that.
And then I had to laugh because
I get to the end of the credits
and all of a sudden a cover of
Spandau Ballet’s True comes on
and we talked about this in
Charlie’s Angels that it’s it’s
in The Wedding Singer, ends The
Wedding Singer.
Again, the other song
connection, it’s in Charlie’s
Angels, supposedly, once again
proving we don’t know, Duplex.
Supposedly it’s in Duplex.
So I just was like, Oh my God,
what is with this song in Drew?
It just follows from everywhere
True Drew.
And this time it’s a.
Cover performed.
By Will I Am and Fergie.
So all the songs in the movie,
we’re going to talk about
soundtrack, but they’re all like
OK, let’s talk about the movie
coming out.
And.
The last 22 years, it’s legacy.
That has a lift on.
Sheesh.
OK, so.
The title was changed by the
studio to 50 First dates when
marketing found that the term
kisses was turning off guys.
Too cute, I guess.
Too cute.
So dumb.
So dumb.
Yeah, a little dumb.
It’s fine. 50 First dates is.
Still great.
But that’s just such a silly
Yeah, there is annoying reason.
Dates.
I don’t know, I’m so used to
something cute.
But yeah, about the kisses.
Tons of promotional like events
for this.
Of course, it’s a huge movie.
Drew is on like ton of magazines
made like TV appearances with
Adam and by herself, including
SNL, which yeah, she hosted on
Valentine’s Day.
I remember.
So it was like the day after the
movie came out.
That’s so cool.
And I feel like really?
Her star on the Walk of Fame was
also tied into publicity for
this movie.
Like, we have a feeling that
Sony slash Columbia purchased
the star for her, right?
The executive Amy Pascal is the
one who speaks at Drew’s
ceremony.
Like, it’s interesting when you
watch like, more current ones,
it’s always like, really good
friends or really close Co
stars.
And I’m like, we didn’t even
know who Amy was that day.
Like, who is this lady?
Yeah, right.
I just think that further like
drives home the fact that it was
very much like a promotional
emotional.
And it’s always interesting.
To me that Adam wasn’t there,
even though, like, they did more
stuff together later on in that
same day.
So his schedule was probably
packed, too.
Yeah.
That’s true.
We talked about the red carpet
premiere briefly on our previous
episode because we did this week
at Drew History and we were
there at the premiere in
Westwood on February 3rd at the
Mann Village Theatre.
It was a big star-studded event,
but I don’t really remember.
Oh really?
Do you remember?
Any like highlights?
Immediately.
I mean, it’s just really neat if
you.
Go to Getty Images and look it
up.
Like almost everybody from the
movie is there, and everybody
from the soundtrack, which I
think is like, kind of special
to me.
Like, I mean, there’s so many
people from the soundtrack who
were there.
And I do remember getting really
excited when Tony Kanal from
No Doubt was there.
I do remember that I have a
picture.
I probably have tons of pictures
that I take.
Yeah, they’re on our drive and
then.
Fab.
Fabrizio Moretti, Drew’s
boyfriend at the time, was also
there, but they didn’t, like,
walk the red carpet together.
So like he was there with Julian
Casablancas from The Stroke.
So that was like, fun.
But yeah, it’s really neat when
you go look at the pictures
because it’s like everybody from
the movie and it’s just super.
I have to go and look and
remind.
Myself so Drew later went on to
promote the movie at premieres
in both Berlin and Madrid.
Did they have any like New York?
I don’t think they did.
They just, it went straight to
Europe.
Interesting, kind of
interesting, Adam.
Wasn’t with her at those.
So again, like just booked and
busy, booked and busy.
They’re like, here go.
Go, go, go talk about the movie,
Joel.
Yeah.
Go represent, yeah.
So then the film actually was
released in theaters in the US,
as we said, on February 13th,
weekend.
And it was exactly 6 years after
the Wedding Singers 1998
release, which I just love.
And it’s also so crazy be like,
there was only six years in
between those.
That’s what I was just going to
say.
And how many years was it then
to blended 10, OK.
Right.
I mean, so we’re in 2014.
I yeah, think so.
And then now.
We’re at 12 years since.
Anything way overdue, but also
the time.
Between wedding singer and 50 First.
We will never not be surprised.
The how small the amount of time
is between like every year in
the 90s?
What is time?
What?
Is time.
I don’t understand time.
Andrew said at the time.
That she thought people were
going to enjoy the movie because
it is so romantic.
And I just thought this was so
cute.
This is what Elle magazine was
sort of saying about it.
She said she believes with all
her heart that the world would
be much improved if we strive to
be a bit less shaded and spent
more time sprinkling a little
fairy dust around.
That’s so trail so 50 First dates is
like her Pixie dust.
And she was also just so.
Happy to put a.
Gift out into the world of
joyfulness.
And yeah, I definitely felt that
way when we saw it.
We mentioned Saturday Night
Live.
Earlier was one of the things
that Drew did during the
promotion and Adam and his whole
gang came to Saturday Night Live
when Drew hosted during the
films opening weekend and in her
dressing room they announced how
the movie had like broken
records and was a huge hit and
the whole room was screaming and
dancing.
She says this whole she explains
this in Wildflower.
I mean, I feel like she was a
couple.
I don’t know if it’s the same
chapter where she talks about
like, box office, like stress.
Yeah.
I mean, it’s come up in like.
Articles that we’ve read a lot
too, how as a producer she has
to care about that, but normally
she would just like to make a
movie and like, it’s the
experience and she just wants to
move on.
But yeah, when you’re a
producer, you have a
responsibility to perform so.
Luckily, thankfully, you know,
for her production company and
all those money things, it
opened in the US at #1 in the
box office and stayed on the top
The movie grossed more than
$198,000,000 worldwide, which I
know is big.
Yeah, it was a success.
They definitely made back their
budget more than yes it.
There were mixed reviews by
critics, but audiences loved it.
It’s kind of I feel like every
Adam Sandler movie for the most
part is going to get that right.
Critics are just not into hand
except for like things.
He’s getting huge.
Accolades for now.
More serious generally, yeah,
but I pulled some.
Really nice notes about Drew’s
performance that I wanted to
share here.
So, The New York Times said, as
soon as Miss Barrymore shows up,
the forces of coarseness and
idiocy surrender.
Before her bright, soft smile
and sly good humor, Drew is
like.
The perfect balance.
That’s what makes this
palatable.
I think If it didn’t have
something like that, I would not
enjoy it.
And she makes Adam so lovable.
You know, Entertainment Weekly
said the movie, for all its
genial idiocy.
Wow, idiocy in two reviews, Oops
connects emotionally by tapping
into the frustration of Lucy’s
condition.
Barrymore has such a flaky,
bedazzled charm that you start
to get invested in seeing her
rescued.
Just nice.
And then people said Barrymore
hits emotional notes that are
pure, simple and unforced.
That sort of talent can almost
literally light up the screen.
Drew as a light.
Take a drink, someone.
Said she’s a light.
We mentioned the soundtrack, so
it was a pretty.
Successful soundtrack included a
lot of reggae influence covers
of 80s songs.
You’ve mentioned them throughout
a couple times, but it’s a great
soundtrack.
Like it is really fun.
It is, I know, and props to.
My man Tony Kanal of No Doubt,
he co-produced a lot of the
songs along with Nick Hexum of
songs in the movie too which I
love and we saw three 11
together.
Yeah, in Santa Barbara, that’s.
Right.
I just think it’s like a fun way
to like do a tribute to the
wedding singer where it’s like
island style, right?
It’s just fun.
It is really.
Fun.
And then I didn’t realize this
until just last night doing some
more.
Research The score was done by
Teddy Castellucci and he also
did the Wedding Singer score and
apparently he’s in Robbie Hart’s
band in that movie.
So I know, but I think.
That’s really neat.
And I, you know, I wish I.
Known that as I was watching the
movie, but like my memory of the
score, I’m like I can hear it I
think I can hear it the.
Movie was released on Home.
Video that was a thing at one
time guys, I guess it kind of
still is but not like it was
like dropping for streaming
yeah.
So the DVD was released on June
I know I was thinking the same
but I guess.
That’s how it was, yeah.
There were tons of special
features.
Which guys?
This was such an art.
Yeah.
Including a director and drew
commentary recorded a month
after the movie’s released.
We both had forgotten this
existed, so it was really fun to
like.
I was fully like.
Director and cast commentary.
Well, Drew didn’t do that.
Wait a second.
Yes she did Oh my God.
Also it says cast and it’s.
Just her.
Like, it’s kind of funny at the
very end of the commentary,
which I’ve we’ve been mentioning
it throughout, but Drew calls
her contribution to the
commentary hippie blabbering.
Vomit of the mouth, of course.
She does, of course.
She does.
I feel like you would also.
Say that about yourself on the.
Podcast, right?
Yeah.
I don’t know.
What hippie?
But like annoying slabbery.
Can’t.
Stop talking.
Disagree with Ann?
Leave a comment.
Don’t.
I’m not fishing, OK.
There’s also a 7 minute blooper
reel which is a joy to have that
many so fun.
Like it kept going.
I was like yes, same.
I can’t think of anything like.
That stands out, but it’s great,
the whole thing.
I mean, she does a cat hiss and
that too, right?
She sure does, she says.
What if I wake?
Up like this.
Because that’s how I wake up in
real life.
I’m obviously not good.
At a cat hiss.
Sorry, guys.
There we go.
That’s the only one, OK.
Blooper reel and making a
featurette that’s also, like,
fun in 20 minutes.
Yeah.
And it has, like, lots of great
footage.
You mentioned, I think earlier
this Ula’s movie roundup, that
was the special for Comedy
Central where Rob Schneider’s
literally just his character.
It’s really funny and they
filmed that.
In Honolulu in 2004 during the,
like, movie release promo time.
So it’s kind of neat.
Yeah.
I love that they included that.
Yeah.
It’s fun.
And a few.
Deleted scenes which we’ve
mentioned throughout like
stacked DVD we.
Talked about this in the
Charlie’s Angels episode.
DVDs used to be so awesome and
have so much content on them and
that’s just gone.
It’s I mean hooks.
I have like one more like
thought about.
That like, I realize now they
just expect that like all this
footage is just coming out like
on social media.
Yeah.
So like, why would you then want
it on a DVD but like, you’ll
never be able to get it again
later.
Yeah, it’s not the same and
like.
Commentaries are so awesome.
Like I think are the only other
ones Drew’s done.
Johnny Darko and riding cars
with boys.
I think so.
Like I remember being so bummed
that Whip it didn’t have the
director’s commentary.
And it’s like, already at that
time, I think the studios were
like, yeah, we’re not putting
money into that.
And like, what is it?
You’re just like playing a movie
and recording.
Them talking.
I know another kind of neat
thing about this being.
Released on video is that this
is one of six, the very first
six movies that were ever
released on Blu-ray.
They included this one, and it
was on June 20th, 2006.
Yeah.
So it’s like OG Blu-ray?
Do you have it on Blu-ray?
I don’t think I do.
I think I just.
Have the DVD, but I think it’s
all the same I think I like
remember looking at the time and
I probably didn’t even have a
Blu-ray player right and I think
it was all the same features so
it like yeah bothered.
I don’t know if I have.
I think I only.
Have Donnie Darko on Blu-ray.
I have Scream I.
Have many copies.
Of Scream.
That makes sense.
That’s probably one of the only
two just continuing on with the
success of the movie.
At the 2004 MTV Movie Awards,
Drew and Adam won Best on Screen
Team, and then later that year
at the Teen Choice Awards, they
won Choice Date Movie.
So you know, it was a huge
success.
People loved it.
Critics maybe thought it was
full of idiocy, but everyone
else liked yes.
In 2005, Drew and Nancy
participated in a question and
answers and screening of the
film at the Arclight in
Hollywood as part of a Masters
of Storytelling series.
And we were there, Yeah.
It’s so neat.
And thankfully, there’s some.
Footage that the like master
storytelling thing, like
released, right?
Or is it somebody that was
there?
I don’t know who put it up, but
it’s on.
YouTube, so we will link to it
and we get a really special
shout out at the very end of
that.
So guys, just watch that and
know that we are quote UN quote,
the coolest women in the world.
That was us also, I remembered.
Earlier today they gave us like
a little.
Commemorative glass, yeah, 50 First
dates on it.
That’s where we got those.
That’s funny.
I don’t think I realized it was
from that, although I.
Know exactly what glass you’re
talking about?
Yeah, yeah, of course.
It’s in my memorabilia
collection, of course in 20. 20
at the.
Very beginning.
I think it was like week 1 of
season 1 of The Drew Barrymore
Show.
Drew and Adam film this little
skit of 50 First dates like here’s
here’s what’s been going on in
Like it’s Lucy putting in the
tape and seeing all these 2020
things.
It’s very sweet.
I love that Adam did that with
her like for the show as she was
starting out.
Drew claims that the wig she
wears in this little skit is the
wig she wears in full throttle
in the hot dog on a stick scene
and that Mister Daniel just like
reworked it.
I I just don’t.
See.
It looks so different.
Like so different.
I mean, I guess I don’t know,
like wigs are just like hair.
So I guess they could have like
maybe completely brushed it out
and it was that long, but it
looks shorter and it looks like
it’s blonde in the little video
behind the scenes, Mr. Daniels,
like, starts talking about.
He’s like, oh, it’s a very short
wig originally.
And then Drew’s like, Oh yeah,
it’s from Charlie’s Angels, it’s
this one.
And I was like, what?
But hope?
I mean, would she have kept that
all those years?
I don’t.
Know I almost wanna see what
other wig from Charlie’s Angels
full throttle.
It could be if not like the only
time, but it could be anything
like that, OK.
Well, we just don’t know.
Well, I guess I’m looking right
now at the length of the bangs.
Yeah, maybe similar, I don’t
know.
It’s it’s full, it’s far
fetched.
If it is true, yeah.
If.
If so, props to.
Mr. Daniel, because he did a
really great job with that.
And then Robin Fredericks, who
did the makeup for 50 First Dates,
did her makeup for this little
scene, too.
I love that.
And the last thing is.
Part of its legacy up through
basically now.
In 2025, there was a musical
stage adaptation in the United
Kingdom, and Drew had sent in a
supportive video to the cast and
crew about it.
And I don’t remember it at all.
Oh, really?
No, I unfortunately, like, have
no memory of it.
And because it’s get full Lucy.
Yeah.
Yeah, that’s me.
But it’s very sweet.
She’s like, very.
Excited about it and she’s
talking about how like again, I
think she brings up like this is
about making love stay and like,
we should always have you to
strive for that.
Unfortunately, it’s been deleted
from her Instagram.
Don’t ask me why, but you can
still see a small snippet of it
on the show’s Instagram.
So I will link to that on the
episode page.
Cool.
And that’s it.
Oh my.
God, how do you say few in
Hawaiian?
Aloha, yeah.
Everything is Aloha, right?
Everything is Aloha.
Exactly.
What a fun.
Movie.
I had so much fun just digging
into it over the last two weeks
and just kind of reliving it.
It had been a while for me.
Yeah, since I’ve watched it.
Me too.
It still holds up for me.
I think after my initial
viewing, I might have ranked it
higher than The Wedding Singer,
but Wedding Singer still has my
heart as like their number one.
I still love that one a little
bit more.
But this was a great follow up.
And Drew was right.
Like, this is it.
This is the one.
She was totally right.
Yeah.
It’s really sweet.
I loved.
Having an excuse to rewatch it
as I do with all of these but
this one, it like it reminded me
how much like how much I love
it.
Like in the I think I said,
like, I don’t know if I would
like it if it was just Adam’s
team, Adam and Julia Roberts.
No, that wouldn’t have been it
for me, guys.
I mean.
Drew is there like a thing that
he did in Hawaii with?
Jennifer Aniston.
I’ve never seen it.
Probably not a thing.
It probably is a thing.
Yeah, just not, not the same.
Not the same.
We love Drew.
Drew like.
Makes it.
Yeah, Drew makes him, I mean.
Just look at those reviews, they
all kind of said the same thing.
Idiocy.
This is an.
Idiotic movie until the.
Beautiful Drew Barrymore brings
us into reality.
All the Adam Sandler fans who.
Like stayed with us since they
he was on our podcaster here and
we’re talking about how he’s
idiotic.
I’m just kidding.
No, when he’s with.
Drew He.
Is so sweet and beautiful and I
do really appreciate like how he
acts with her and you just.
I just always remember this clip
of her on the set of The Wedding
Singer and she says I would
really be in love with Adam
Sandler.
Yeah, it’s perfect.
I can.
You’re saying it exactly.
The way she.
Said it so I can hear it and
that’s how I do it.
So thanks you guys.
Sorry to the Adam.
Sandler fans who think that we
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How Do You Drew Episode 123 – Wildflower
Please note that this transcription was automatically generated and may contain mistakes.
Hello and welcome to How Do You
Drew?
This is a Drew Barrymore podcast
brought to you by the fans,
friends and historians behind
the Drewseum.
We’re drawing on over 25 years
of Drewbie expertise to dive into
all aspects of Drews world, from
her personal life to her
professional career.
Thanks to our sponsor and
friends at Positive Medium.
I’m Anne.
And I’m Ashley, and this week we
are discussing Wildflower Drew’s
I’m so excited.
This is this is, this is the
start of something big and we’ll
get into that in a minute.
But like, this is exciting.
Yay.
Yeah.
OK, so at the very top, we gotta
just do a little memorial thing.
So let’s get into that first.
Oh, so as of this recording
yesterday, Catherine O’Hara
passed away.
So sad.
Like I’m like, sad.
I was like shocked and like sad
and I was like, that doesn’t
feel real.
Totally, I know.
And it’s, it’s amazing, like how
many people.
Oh my God, the Internet is
devastated.
The Internet is devastated.
Like Rob Reiner was like, you
know, had this big impact, but
like for a very specific type of
people who would know who Rob
Reiner is and then now like
Catherine O’Hara, it’s big.
It’s big and it’s shocking and
it’s really, really sad.
It doesn’t feel real.
It doesn’t feel right.
She’s just been so ever present,
like our entire lives for sure,
totally generations before us
too.
She’s.
Amazing, you know, You know,
Home Alone is like one of my all
time favorite movies.
And yeah, it like, I’m not going
to lie, I’m kind of embarrassed.
It took me a minute.
I was like, oh I feel like we
should post something, but what
connection would I make, you
know?
I did not think of it
immediately either.
So guys, they did home fries.
Together.
I can’t believe I’m admitting on
the mic that I forgot, you know
what?
But home fries.
I love Catherine O’Hara in that
movie.
She is so, like, evil and
twisted and hilarious.
Like, she’s so, so, so funny.
Of course, she’s always funny.
And I’ve always loved her
performance in it.
So yeah, once, once I like it
hit me.
I was like, Oh my gosh, it just
made me like, extra.
And you know, of course,
everyone’s like Home Alone.
Beetlejuice, like the big ones,
right?
But I’m like, oh, not that many
people are mentioning home fries
and it’s like a really cool
special performance, so.
I mean, I don’t know how many
credits she has, but she’s one
of those people that’s like done
so much work that like, yeah,
they’re gonna people be people
like us who are like, what about
home fries?
And there’s gonna be like 100
other movies probably that Like,
what about this?
I know anyway.
I think.
Maybe we’ll get to home fries.
Maybe this year.
We did cover it over on our
friends makeover montage, yeah,
on their podcast like a few
years ago, like 3 years ago.
But yeah, we got to get to it
over here.
So if you guys are interested,
let it drop us a line and maybe
we’ll bump that up in the queue.
Yeah.
It’s we always like, once we
find some inspiration or reason
to cover something, we get
really excited about it.
So like, clearly us not having
that recollection is like, wait,
that’s sad.
Yeah.
But anyway, the icon that that
person is.
Rest in peace, Catherine.
Yeah, gosh darn it.
Yeah, it sucks, but you know, we
age, other people age, time is
melting like a Dolly clock, all
those things.
True.
All right, let’s talk about some
positives.
All right.
I love, love.
Let’s talk about things that
Drew’s proclaimed her love for
recently.
OK, True Love’s trivia night.
That’s not surprising.
No, she loves a badminton.
OK.
Dairy.
OK.
Mushroom caps.
Hold on, let me go back to dairy
for a second.
Where was it that she said she
like, drove by some cows and she
said, I hope you’re dairy?
Yes.
I think it’s from US 1997, but I
definitely remember copying
that.
Yeah.
And.
Well, and I told, I told my
partner he uses it sometimes.
I’d be so funny.
But anyway, dairy.
I also love dairy.
OK.
And on the other side, she also
loves Daisy.
No, not just dairy, but also
Daisy, the name which we know.
Yes, totally.
But she also loves when people
call her Brew Bear cute.
She loves Katie Segal.
Awesome.
Comfy.
Cozy. 100%.
A knee high look.
OK, immediately thinking of her
first appearance in Mad Love.
Yeah, and then finally, Drew
loves nature.
No way.
No way, right?
This is such a fun like little
segment.
I love.
I adore it guys.
We love, love.
Yeah, it definitely speaks to
that part of our brains that
loves tidbits galore.
Yes, because they’re like little
ones that like, I don’t know,
Drew also she proclaims love for
things a lot and it’s like a
funny.
I think she would probably think
this segment was funny in a way,
you know?
Like, sure, I agree.
We mean it in all of the love in
the world.
Should we get into our mailbag?
Let’s do it.
You’ve got mail.
OK, we have two today.
The first one is from our friend
Marcus, who runs the Instagram
account Charlie’s Three Sexy
Sleuths.
And he was trying to leave this
on our YouTube for our last
episode, the one about our
favorite red carpet looks.
Yeah.
And then because YouTube is a
glitchy as hell, it went from.
He could see it private while he
was like viewing it.
What?
I know I’m telling you guys, I’m
sorry for those of you who
listen to us on YouTube, we’re
trying to figure it out.
But anyway, so this is what he
was going to leave as a comment
and he sent it to us.
OK, so Marcus said go to the
episode page on Drewseum website
and click through the photos as
they discuss the gowns.
So worth it.
You 2 make me so happy with your
organizational talents.
Oh, I love that already.
Yeah, let me continue as I was
hoping the photos on the episode
page were in order as you
discussed so I could click
along.
And of course they because y’all
are the best.
Of course they are.
Of course that’s us.
You.
Know I, I love this comment so
much because it’s like it shows
like the work thing that you do
to like get that part like ready
and somebody to appreciate it
because I’m always imagining
like that people are not doing
that because I listen like on
the go if I’m listening to a
podcast.
So grateful for people who like
go and like enjoy the visuals.
Like, it’s absolutely, it’s part
of the heart behind this whole
thing.
I’m glad it’s being appreciated.
Also, a really quick side note I
wanted to tell you about him is
that we were talking about
newspapers.com, which has become
my new, yeah, incredible source
for stuff.
Thank you again, Lindsey Blake.
And he was telling me that
there’s this, like, Hawaiian
newspaper clipping of Jacqueline
Smith from the last season of
Charlie’s Angels, that he’s
like, he lost it.
He hasn’t seen it in 20 years.
And I found it on there, and it
was so gratifying.
Yeah, it’s not cool.
So fun and cool, I love that
kind of stuff.
I’m so excited to help.
That’s rad.
Yes.
So our other in our meal bag, we
also have a comment on Spotify
on our last episode and this is
from the person behind the
Alyssa Milano Museum, which we
mentioned in our last episode
and we got a comment from them.
Oh, very cool.
So they said.
Hello, Anne and Ashley.
I’ve been following you for
years.
As a fan of Alyssa Milano, I
must say you’re doing an
admirable job with your podcast.
I’m improving my English and
learning all about Drew
Barrymore.
That’s so cool.
Yeah, he said.
I laugh along with you when I
hear you laugh constantly.
I was like, I just laughed right
now for no reason, just hearing
him mention it, he said.
I’m listening every day right
now because I wanna catch up on
the episodes.
Keep it up.
Greetings from Paris, France.
So cool, that’s so.
Cool.
And I don’t think I I think
maybe I didn’t catch the line in
the last episode where you were
saying Alyssa Milano’s like big
overseas.
I don’t think I caught like, oh,
this gentleman’s from France.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So that’s so fun.
I love how like with the
Charlie’s Angels account with
Alyssa Milano, like, they’re not
like, I mean, obviously
Charlie’s Angels has a
connection to Drew, but he’s
also focusing on the old TV
show.
Like, it’s like we’re
tangentially sort of connected,
but like, because we all do
similar work.
There’s also that Sharon Tate
Instagram account that I’ve
become friendly with and like we
just have this kind of like
kindred spirit thing going on
and I just love making these
friendships with people.
Yeah.
And like the style of collecting
too.
It’s like what, like what you’re
doing and how how you’re what
you’re doing with the legacy,
right?
Or like our feeling about that.
Yeah.
So cool.
I love these both of these
comments and they’re both from
like, like you said, like both
people who have the kinship with
us.
So thank you.
Thanks guys.
Yeah, OK.
So, so let’s go over to our kind
comments corner.
So.
Sweet.
Yeah.
Let’s just keep the love fest
going.
We’re so like, hippy dippy over
here today.
Here we are.
OK.
This is actress Jessica Williams
on the Drew Barrymore Show.
I wasn’t familiar with her
before, but she was so lovely.
She’s from the a show called
Shrinking.
Have you watched it?
I have not watched that and I
was trying to figure out what I
knew her from because I
recognized her and she was great
on whatever I watched her on and
I was like, oh her.
Like I’d never seen her
interviewed.
Yeah, she has a really nice
energy.
Yeah, she really does.
So this was just like, they’re
in the middle of sort of a
conversation.
And Drew said something about
like how being an entertainer
doesn’t feel like very
important, you know, like, or
meaningful in the world.
And then Jessica just went off
on this like incredibly kind
little kind comment corner.
It’s it’s so lovely.
I, I love it.
OK, so let’s let’s listen to
this.
I’m a.
Prior.
But you, you have your work.
You’ve affected my life
profoundly.
I feel like I experienced you at
the exact right age for the way
that you have deposited into me
and my generation in a really
cool way.
Like with the Charlie’s Angels.
Like you were the Angel that I
wanted to do.
Yeah, like seriously like.
And your phases, like what
you’ve been through, like you’ve
always been quite candid about
your rebellious phases and what
you’ve been through and your
childhood, I feel like I’ve
always been aware of that.
If you’re a millennial, we got
to experience you as this girl
who never quite fit in.
You were still quirky, even
though you’re like white, you
were white, but you were still
like a girl that somehow felt
accessible from the way you
speak, to the way you dress and
to how funny you are and full of
heart.
So I just want to thank you for
that.
I’m so proud of you and what you
have done and how comfortable
you make people feel.
Good.
So it’s so beautiful and the
whole time, like they’re both
like tears, right?
Like streaming down their faces.
It’s really kind, but it’s also
like, it’s that also speaks to
exactly like why we’re doing
what we’re doing.
I know we’re both going to cry
now, like.
It’s like my, I know.
It’s like in my throat, I’m
like, thank you, Jessica
Williams.
Thank you for saying that so
beautifully.
I love the eloquence behind
everything, she said.
That was so magnanimous.
It was.
It actually was magnanimous,
truly.
And I think like it.
I mean, obviously it doesn’t
matter how many times somebody
says something like that to
Drew.
I think to her, it always feels
like shocking and fresh and new.
Like, she’s not jaded.
She’s not like, yeah, everyone
tells me I’m the best, you know?
And I think she needed to hear
that like, right.
She looked very, very shocked
and touched.
Right.
Like, she knows that people know
her.
Yeah.
But I think she thinks she’s
just, like, in the background.
She’s just that old piece of
furniture.
Yeah.
That’s literally what she thinks
she doesn’t realize.
Like, Well, it’s also like the
generation of women who are,
like, becoming professionals
right now.
And like, can you know, like us,
we’re like, oh, we can talk
about it now.
Yeah.
We figured out how to talk.
About it, we have a platform,
yeah.
But anyway, that was that was
beautiful, beautiful moment in
the kind comments corner.
All right, another segment at
the top, guys, there’s a lot at
the top.
I love it.
All right, so let’s get into
this week in Drew History.
This is a biggie.
What a day Oh my God, February
Can you go back there in your
mind?
Because I can.
Because we were there, I.
Can and that’s 22 years ago.
I’m just going to say it out.
Loud OK, so not only did Drew
get her long time coming, well
deserved star on the Hollywood
Walk of Fame, and we had that
ceremony, there was also the
And I am feeling very certain
about this.
In between those two things, I
believe she filmed Ellen.
It was the first time she went
on that show because she has the
same hair, the same makeup, the
same jewelry.
And Nancy Juvonen makes a little
appearance, like off to the
side, and she’s wearing the same
jacket that she was wearing at
the star ceremony.
So like it has to be even though
they say that was a couple weeks
ago because it aired like a
couple weeks later.
God, we’re so like you’re.
We both are.
So like, we know how TV is done
now and like, we’ve also like we
noticed weird things on the Drew
Barrymore Show that they do that
we won’t get into right now.
Lately.
But like they had to do that.
I guess they have to line up the
guests for future episodes which
is so weird to think about.
They have to pretend.
I guess.
Yeah, it’s pretending.
Anyway, that is a fun little
part to like notice because the
makeup is exactly the same.
Yes, makeup is exactly the same.
Yeah, her lashes.
The hair is exactly the same
the.
The Ring.
Everything.
Yeah, it’s, it’s too much exact
like, everything about like the
wave of her hair that I’d be
shocked if it was on the same
day.
So yeah, she was busy this day,
February 3rd, 2004.
Well, link to the Ellen episode.
There’s a couple clips of it on
YouTube and the whole cast of
not the whole cast, but several
people.
So that was fun.
But yes, as I said before, we
were there at the Walk of Fame
star ceremony and the 51st dates
premiere off to the sideline
being like delegated as little
fans.
So it’s just before we had the
what does she say we have all
unlimited access or?
Which we don’t, guys.
We don’t.
But we could go on and on about
like how exciting those were.
We actually have our our episode
like her, the family history of
getting the stars.
And it’s actually a pretty cool
episode from what I remember.
And we do tell her like first
hand account of being there that
day, which was so, so, so
special.
So go listen to that if you want
to know more about that day.
But she was beautiful.
It was incredibly special.
I’m still so like happy that we
got to be right there.
Yeah, and then the 51st dates
premiere, we almost got to go
into the regular theater, but we
were with a group of like 4
people.
So Chris Miller, of course, saw
us and he’s like, Oh my gosh,
come on in.
And then he could only get like
a couple tickets, I think,
right?
Yeah, it was like, I think he
could only get 2 instead of
four.
Yeah, or something.
Like that.
So he ended up somehow getting
there was like an overflow
theater across the street also
still showing the movie, and he
was able to get all of us into
that.
So we got to see it like like 10
days before it came out.
Yeah, it’s cool.
It is really cool.
It’s so surreal.
Like anyway Drew, make some more
movies so we can go to more
premieres.
I remember the concessions being
free like.
We were we.
Were balling, Yeah.
And we, we’re gonna be talking
about 51st dates really soon,
you guys.
Yes, we are.
Oh my God, there’s so much weird
loveliness morning up right
here.
I mean, how could it not?
We’re like also almost to Drew’s
birthday like.
There’s a lot she got a like a
star on the Walk of Fame for her
birthday in 2004.
Essentially.
But anyway, that was a really
exciting day.
Like, we got to spend so much of
it seeing her, which is so cool.
It’s probably over, like, the
span of like, several hours, and
we got to see her once and then
see her again.
Like, have we ever had that
happen before?
Anything else like that?
Super unique.
Yeah.
So anyway, special day, special
moment in our history as well as
Drew.
‘S history.
That’s right.
All right, so there’s a little
bit more at the top because
Drew’s busy, which is fun,
right?
We love it.
All right, so let’s get into
what’s new with Drew.
Here we go with the news,
everybody.
OK, it’s already been like weeks
because it’s just like with the
way our recording schedule has
worked out.
But in case you guys missed it,
there was another virtual
Charlie’s Angels reunion with
Drew Cameron, Lucy and Demi
Moore.
And they did the leg zoom thing
like they did last year.
Last year they were talking
about Demi in the substance.
And this year, and this is for
Elle magazine, they were doing
it to celebrate Lucy’s success
with her film Rosemead.
And I was kind of thinking about
it.
I I wonder if this was sort of
to help, like maybe push for an
off.
Nomination for Lucy I wonder if.
It was actually she didn’t get
but.
I loved hearing them like rain
praise on her.
It really makes me want to see.
This.
Yeah, me too.
I didn’t realize like Rosemead,
it’s, it’s the city in Saint
Gaber.
Yeah, she she mentions in it
that they like had a couple days
where they filmed like in, in
Rosemead.
But anyway, it’s really lovely
to hear those like 4 women’s
talk to each other because they
just are so like they love each
other so much and it’s like it’s
really sweet so.
I also noticed Drew posted a
video recently the one of
Douglas running around her
bedroom.
Yeah, she had like a picture of
the angels in the Swiss Miss
costumes like on one of her
tables.
I know my eye caught it.
I’m like I love it.
And the Lucy has like 1 of their
I think it’s one of the TV.
Guide cover or like it’s either
TV Guide or some other like
photo shoot that was used a
million times with like, red
background.
Yeah, yeah, I love that.
And in this one, you can like
see it sort of blurry in the
background, but again, it’s so
recognizable.
If you know, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah, OK.
And then a bunch of episodes of
Hollywood Squares.
Oh my gosh, yeah.
So episodes five through 10 have
come out since we last recorded.
Crazy.
We recorded really early last
time, I guess.
We did kind of late this time.
Yeah.
Lots of fun.
Looks.
One I do not care for.
I bet you can’t guess which one,
Anne.
I haven’t even watched those
like most recent episodes yet,
so I haven’t seen the look until
like seeing this little picture,
the hair because you wrote that
it reminds you of her hair in
reminds me of her hair at like
AI think it’s like the
Confessions of a dangerous Mind
premiere when her hair is like
longer.
Oh, you know what I think it is?
I think it’s enough confessions
exactly like I think.
It’s first.
States.
It’s a 51st states somewhere in
Europe or something.
Yeah, that’s what it looks like
to me.
It’s like she’s also wearing
black and white at that, I think
anyway.
Remember, for those of you who
don’t know what the hell we’re
talking about, So I really don’t
like it when Jeru’s hair, it
almost looks like it’s like
pushed back and blow dried and
sprayed.
So it’s like, yeah, back.
I don’t know how to explain it.
And I like every once in awhile
she pulls that hairstyle out and
I just don’t like it.
So I had to laugh about it in
our notes.
And also the pic, the screenshot
you pulled of it is like she
looks a little bit like she got
hit with like a a fan really
quickly.
It’s great.
But anyway, generally of like
very lovely looks every time.
And so I’m like laughing so hard
every time I watch the show.
It’s so funny.
It’s so good.
I there, there.
It’s it’s just the perfect like
little and they’re like short.
It’s like a perfect little like
burst of like happiness and
like, yeah, they’re, they’re.
Little jabs at each other in a
really fun.
Way, Yeah.
Did you catch that very sweet
moment?
So Arsenio Hall was on, which is
kind of cool.
He’s been on a few of them.
And on the first one, Drew like
shouted him out and said how she
used to do his show and she was
so happy to be there with him.
And I feel like her appearance
is on his show because there’s
several.
They’ve only like kind of
recently started showing up on
YouTube just sort of randomly.
So I feel like they’re kind of
new to me in a way, even though
they’re from like 909293.
There was definitely one that we
saw in the last like year or so
that was like brand new to us,
right?
Yeah.
Was it like the 92 or something?
The 91 There’s a lot, but yeah,
I just thought we love a little
reunion yeah, we just thought
that was really sweet and to.
Call it out, it’s.
Like he always seemed to be like
looking out for her.
I guess I would say on those
appearances, I mean the timing
of them makes a lot of sense,
even 92, but.
Yeah, totally.
Yeah, it was a it was a sweet
moment for sure.
See, I love that you noted
Douglas, cuz I, I was, I like
Douglas has just been like
roaming around the set this
season and you can just see him
like they’ll just like do a wide
shot of like the contestants and
Hollywood Squares.
And he’s just like in the
middle, just like and you can
see like him and his reflection
cuz it’s like a shiny like
floor.
It’s so cute.
And I was like, I feel like
you’ve said before, like people
who TuneIn and are not familiar
because probably most people are
not familiar or like why is
there a dog just like walking?
Around.
I’m sure it’s confusing, but we
love it.
Love it so much.
It’s so cute.
Like, yeah, we’re gonna say more
about Douglas momentarily.
Yeah, I kind of planned that
that way.
Do you want to go over the bonus
round facts about Yeah, the the
possibly true, possibly false
facts?
Let’s hear it.
The first one was Drew has a
sneaker line called Just Drew
It.
I feel like that’d be copyright
infringement anyway.
Yeah, totally OK.
Her go to karaoke song is Paul
Revere by the Beastie Boys.
I it’s true and I feel and I was
like, I bet that’s true.
Like, I don’t know if I knew
that.
Oh, she said it many times.
It’s even on our drew details.
Oh, cool.
On our website for sure.
Yeah, cool.
OK, she hates garlic.
True.
They got you.
But you know what’s funny?
She used to say that she was
allergic to it when she was in
like in the 90s.
And then on her show, she she
kind of doesn’t want to come out
and say it, but there was a chef
not that long ago who was like,
I made it for without garlic for
you.
And she was kind of like, oh,
thank you.
So it’s like a secret.
Interesting.
I’m a surprise because she’s
such a like, she loves so much
food stuff.
And I was like, could that be
true?
Because I know there’s a couple
things she used to say she hated
but like now she likes.
Yeah, like ice.
Cream, chocolate, I don’t know,
just anyway.
So she does hate garlic, yeah.
What’s next?
She owns the actual ET that was
used in the movie.
It’s a good one though.
That’s a cute one.
Yeah, she’s probably like, I
wish I did.
Right.
OK, Drew once threw her cheating
ex’s stuff in his car and let
the car roll down the driveway.
This is true.
So I haven’t seen the two recent
episodes.
I know she talked about some
kind of scandalous thing, but
she like.
Yep.
Well, I also.
Feel like maybe at one point she
said she spray painted the car.
I can’t remember but like.
I thought it was like something
else.
I didn’t know it was roll down
the driveway.
Yeah, but we don’t know who this
is.
Like, my gut tells me it’s Jamie
Walters, but based on what we
know of their breakup, like
there’s no evidence that it’s
him.
I don’t know why I think it is.
Maybe she’s because she’s told
the story on her show like
multiple times throughout the
years.
So maybe at some point there was
some little detail that I was
like, huh, I’d be Jamie.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it
was Jamie because they like had
a house together, right.
So like that’s kind of like a
plausible connection.
I don’t know.
I also.
At one point might have thought
it was Luke like when they were
like kind of together, but maybe
they kind of weren’t.
But who knows what was going on.
But interesting.
To imagine her doing it, I could
almost imagine it more like in
the era of Jamie Walters like as
far as like the letting herself
like go that far.
I agreed, agreed, but.
It’s that’s fun.
I like it.
OK, what’s the last one?
OK.
And I thought this was so
perfect.
Like, when you think about our
last episode.
Yeah.
Drew once walked the red carpet
in a dress she’d made entirely
out of duct tape.
That.
One’s a stretch, guys.
It is, but also like, what if we
had talked about it and then it
was, you know, like what if that
was a thing that we were like,
we love this look.
That’s that’s so funny.
So that’s our Hollywood Squares
wrap up.
If you guys wanna watch the
episodes, they’re all available
on Paramount Plus.
They don’t disappear in a week
like the Drew Barrymore Show
episodes do.
But I did notice Season 1 is
gone.
It was up there forever and now
it’s gone.
No.
Good thing I take all these
screenshots when I’m watching
it.
Right, right.
That’s that’s good.
That’s the archivist in you
working.
Absolutely.
Like it’s going to go away.
Like everything goes away.
OK, a little bit more new.
As I said, we were going to
mention Douglas.
So Douglas has his own Instagram
account now at Douglas
Barrymore.
So funny inspired this I.
Don’t know but I love it so much
like I’m you.
Want to find the bio?
Yeah, it says.
I’m Douglas Barrymore.
Drew Barrymore is my mom, Co
host of the Drew Barrymore Show.
I’m almost 16, but age is just a
number.
It’s so cute in the little
profile picture of him and the
like.
Cowboy get up.
It’s adorable.
It’s so cute, Douglas.
I can’t wait to like rain all of
my likes onto your page.
Yeah.
Anything to get like a little
more drew content in a different
like lens is so fun.
Right, Yay Douglas.
We can’t wait to see more
Douglas content.
OK, last thing before we get
into our lovely weekly topic.
Yes.
Final thing is that those new
MSC Cruises commercials are
officially out.
There are three.
They have titles.
One is karaoke, one is that’s
funny and the last is cabana and
Spritz.
So we will link to those.
They’re exactly what you guys
expect them.
To be right, they are.
They are cheesy.
Drew’s adorable.
I actually had, like, a stress
dream about being on a cruise
this morning as I was, like,
about to wake up.
That’s so funny.
I forgot.
Yeah.
And I was definitely like, why
am I about to jump?
Off like Drew in 1984.
You’re about to jump right off
that cruise, which she talks
about in the book that we’ll be
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Hi, Drewbies just a quick note
before we get into the episode.
As you may have noticed if you
listen to the intro, my audio
was not up to par this episode,
but we couldn’t completely redo
our natural tone of this episode
once I realized.
So enjoy and thank you for your
grace regarding the less than
optimal audio.
Quiet.
Hours.
You have always been my
wildflower, showing up wherever.
OK, so you guys were getting
into Drew Barrymore’s 2015 book
Wildflower.
This is just the beginning of
something big, like I said at
the top.
Yeah.
How do we jump into this?
Well, let’s start with just this
little from the inside flap that
kind of tells us what this book
is about.
I’ll just read it real quick.
So it says.
Born into Hollywood royalty, the
granddaughter of the great John
Barrymore, Drew Barrymore has
become one of the biggest stars
of her generation.
Despite an unconventional
childhood, her life went on an
incredible trajectory in both
good and difficult ways.
After starring in ET at the age
of 6, she became an emancipated
adult at the age of 14.
And it’s actually 15, But sorry,
that’s just me being annoying.
And built a life and career of
her own that millions of fans
admire.
Growing up wasn’t always easy
for Drew, but through patience,
hard work, and great
friendships, she did it.
And now she’s writing about it.
I like that.
It’s a lovely way for that to
start.
And it mentions, like, what
we’ve been talking about
generations of people who, like,
love her.
So cool.
Yay.
OK, so that’s a.
That’s a lovely way to jump in.
We should say that a lot of
Wildflower content is gonna
start flowing over at our
Patreon, so make sure you make
your way over there for that
soon.
Patreon.com slash Yeah, we’ll,
we’ll talk about it more, but
we’re going to be covering every
chapter over there in depth.
But this is sort of like our
overarching Wildflower episode
where we’re going to talk about
the history of the book and get
into some of those like smaller
things about it.
And then you got to go over to
Patreon to do the deep dive with
this.
Yep.
All right, so this is Drew’s
third book.
She had released A Little Girl
lost in 1990 and Find it in
everything in 2014.
And then after this we have
Rebel homemaker in 2021.
So she now has four books, which
is so cool that we have like
more.
And I’m like, I, I’ll just say
here like I already have
multiple copies of each one and
I just got two more copies of
this book Wildflower on eBay for
so cheap.
And I’m like, great, they’re my
reading copies.
I think I now have 4 copies
like.
I love it.
It’s like, I’m not mad about it.
No.
But we do have episodes on all
of those Little Girl Lost, Find
in Everything and Rebel
Homemaker.
So we will link to those all on
the episode page for this
episode if you haven’t listened
to them already.
That’s so cool that we’re like
finally completing the whole
series in a way.
Well, starting starting the
series and.
Starting the series that will
wrap up her book series, she
writes the other one that we
made.
It sits in her a memoir.
Yeah, and that will.
Obviously have to be like
sources on and help Fact Check
for her.
I I hope.
So because like I said, the flap
right there tells us a lie.
She did not get emancipated at
She thinks she’s like rewritten
history in her mind.
Like she used to say 15.
It was reported right before she
turned 16.
So she’s actually closer to 16
than anything else.
But it’s OK she she did move out
at 14, so I can see why she
would conflate that information.
Right.
Like maybe the process started
that early and she’s just like
she was done at that point.
I don’t know.
Yeah, she doesn’t need to be the
expert on the timeline of her
life.
That’s what we’re here for.
That’s true.
So whenever you need our
services, Drew for your next
book, just let us know.
We know you’re.
Listening all right so
wildflower it was announced on
February 26th 2015 by the
publisher Dutton that she would
be releasing a collection of
autobiographical essays.
This was a huge, like, I don’t
remember like where I was when
we heard about it or anything
like that, but it was like very
surprising.
We did not know that this was
coming, right?
And Drew statement at the time
was I love stories that are
humorous, emotional and
welcoming, and that is my goal
in writing this book.
So I think it was like it wasn’t
done at that point.
I think she was like still in
the process, which is so cool.
That’s cool, yeah.
And we’ll talk about, like, she
talks about her process a bit,
which is so cool that we have
this, too.
So we have like, not only the
book, but all this extra little
stuff because guess what?
We’re paying attention.
So here’s some quotes from Drew
about the process, she said.
I was just trying to tell
stories.
I was excited about
inconveniently making you feel
something because it made me
feel things.
When I was writing it after it
was finished, I was like, I
think this has become something
about the in between moments
that really no one had, no one
was Privy to.
That’s that’s actually a really
cool way to think of it, Drew.
Yeah.
That is a very cool way to think
about it.
Because her life is public, but
not these things, right?
Right.
Some of them we knew, but.
Right of.
Course, but we’re weird, OK?
Drew also said that writing the
book was, quote, a really
beautiful year long process.
She would steal away for three
hours a day, two to three times
a week to work on it.
And then she wrote the first
stories I wrote at a coffee
house in our summer vacation
town.
I would sneak out before the
girls were up.
I put my laptop in my bicycle
basket and rode to the coffee
house.
It was very cliche, but I was
very excited.
And this totally makes me think
of you editing the podcast at
your little coffee place.
Did it make you think of that at
all?
That’s how we visualize it.
No, but that, that’s so funny.
I I don’t ride my bicycle, but
like I do it feels like you I
couldn’t hear it.
So you don’t know how intense it
is.
But I like the picture that
because there’s something about
like the idyllic kind of like
nature of how she’s describing
this.
And like summer vacation town,
you noted it’s like out in Long
Island.
So like it’s really beautiful
there.
So.
Yeah.
All right.
So I like all.
She points out that it’s cliche,
but also that she was like.
But it was she was like, I’m
living the writer dream of my
life.
Right, OK, so here’s a little
bit more about the process, she
said, writing about my dog,
Flossy.
I was bawling.
And if I’m laughing while I’m
writing about Cameron Diaz and
these jackasses that we were
with, hurling ourselves out of a
plane and then crying writing
about my grandfather in this
Hawaiian hotel room, I’m like,
OK, maybe all that will come
through.
I don’t know if I’ve read that.
No, yeah, I mean, this is true.
That’s the way she talks.
That’s true.
That’s true.
A couple more quotes just
because it’s like sort of fun to
know where her headspace was
when she.
Was.
Yeah, yeah.
She said I actually was crying
as I was typing, but I also was
laughing all the way through it.
I always wanted to write, but I
just did not have the organized
time, the bravery and probably
enough life experience to feel
like I had something to say.
No, Drew, that’s wrong.
Or even perspective on my life.
Like humorous objectivity.
It’s very personal.
It’s my heart on a page and yet
it doesn’t cross any boundaries
and become anything I wouldn’t
want my children children to
read, which I think like that’s
a notable thing.
This book is very rated G like
right.
This is not the scandal.
This is like the absolute
opposite of Little Girl Lost in
a lot of ways.
Right.
Yeah, that’s so, that’s so
interesting to think is when I
read that line, when I was like
looking at the notes, I was
like, wouldn’t normally I like
I’m making it something that
kids can read and it wouldn’t
shock them or, you know, like
her own.
Children.
Yeah.
Like it’s almost like little
girl lost in wildflower.
These perfect like duality
things that kind of represent
Drew herself, like both sides of
her, right?
And we’re but we still have this
whole thing in between that’s
like very intimate that we’re
we’re ready to we’re ready for
that Drew that book.
We’re ready for all the other in
betweens that you haven’t
talked.
About yet between the in
betweens.
Right.
And then she also said it is a
cheerful, optimistic book and
hopefully surprisingly emotional
here and there.
I wrote it with the feeling of
such warmth.
Which again, very opposite of
Little Girl Lost.
Like if you guys don’t know, we
just deep, deep, deep dived on
Little Girl Lost.
And it is very dark and
upsetting at times.
And it’s like, yeah, there’s not
a really a feeling of warmth in
that book, except maybe on the
side of ET.
Right, so big duality here that
we’re going from where we’re
going from to where we’re going
to in our explorations.
Like it’s I’m excited.
Me too, but I also was I was
going to say she keeps she keeps
like describing that emotional
roller coaster like surprising
people with emotions.
So like.
Yeah, hey, I mean without
jumping ahead too much, I
already did the first chapter
and it is like emotional.
It is upsetting and sad it and
it’s not that one does not have
like the happy warmth that I
feel like the rest of the book
has got it so be interesting.
OK, so the title Wildflower and
the release date were announced
on May 13th and I just think
this is so cool.
We came into this part of the
episode with Sheryl Crow song
Wildflower and our friend Missy Munday,
who we’ve mentioned many, many,
many times.
She’s the one who created the
fan site where Anne and I
actually met online when we were
teenager.
She made this beautiful tribute
video to Drew for her birthday.
Like I want to say like more
than 20 years ago.
I mean, I feel like at least.
Yeah, and she used that song.
And so it’s just so perfect that
like, you know, that is the
perfect sort of way to describe
Drew a wildflower.
It’s like, again, it’s like
these two, those two books, wild
and Flower.
That kind of sucks, but how neat
is that that she had used that?
So we have that video on our
Drewseum YouTube.
I had uploaded it a while ago
because I just wanted it
accessible.
I’m so glad I had it on.
Like a disk.
Yeah, watching it was so
heartwarming too.
I was like immediately took me
back.
I cannot watch it without, like,
bawling, like tears rolling down
my face because it just like,
captures Drew’s beautiful
essence and why we love her so
much.
And it’s funny because, like I
said, it was made so long ago
that she couldn’t, like, upload
clips, so she’s like, filming
them off her TV.
But it sort of gives it like a
really neat, you know, kind of
retro look.
I guess so.
Yeah, that’s actually what I
thought when I there were parts
of it where it looked like an
old tape of footage and it was
kind of staticky and I’m like,
oh that’s really cool cuz it
looks like, like you said, like
a feature someone would try to
imitate.
Right.
Like someone to put a filter on
their stuff now to make it look
like that, yeah.
Anyway, I love that that like
that brought you there.
Like you’re like, oh,
wildflower, hey, that reminds me
of this like wonderful moment in
our specifically.
Drew history.
So cool.
Yeah.
OK, then the cover was revealed
on July 20th of 2015.
It’s such a great cover.
We’ll describe it a little bit,
I guess in a minute.
It was a cover designed by Grace
Hahn.
The cover art photography done
by Diego Future tell in May at
Drew’s home in Los Angeles.
You noted here, I love this.
They’d work together in the
early 20 tens for California
Style magazine Flower Beauty and
Flower eyewear.
So a bunch of flower theme
things like.
Like every shoot they’ve ever
done is just surrounded with
flowers.
That’s perfect.
Yeah, I love it so much.
Yeah.
What?
What else do we want to say
about this cover?
So I guess we can just kind of
describe it.
Well, she’s on a trampoline,
right?
And she, they caught her.
When she’s like going up, she
looks just like kind of that
underwater shoot from 2009.
Somehow she can just know how to
work with the camera.
Even in these sort of weird like
me on a trampoline would not
look this like peaceful and
Kareem.
Right.
They love the like handwriting
font they used for the cover and
like have like kind of splashed
over.
It’s it’s perfect.
Like I, I, I love this cover so
much.
And I also love the back of the
cover where they’ve also got her
jumping on the trampoline, but
it’s the back of her and there’s
something.
So why do we love that?
We love photos of the back of
her.
I’m thinking of that one from
another magazine.
Right.
I thought of that immediately.
Yes, I thought of that
immediately.
Also, back to the front, I’m
pretty sure she’s holding a
perfect Peony, which is my
favorite flower.
And it’s like, it’s like
literally a Trader Joe’s Peony.
That’s like they’re like very
special.
And I was like, it’s just maybe
that’s why I started getting
some into peonies.
I’ve never made that connection
before.
Right, right, That’s so funny.
I know you love those.
And it is really lovely on this
that that’s like the only thing
that’s color really on the
original cover.
Yeah, that.
So the original cover is like
like this, like grey a very
soft, like it reminds me of
like, like a neutral background
color that museums use.
Like it’s very neutral, but like
in a beautiful warm way.
Like how is grey warm?
I don’t know.
It is though you’re you’re
nailing your description.
I know you don’t think you are,
but I’m totally here with you.
I am.
I guess I’ve been like analyzing
colors for a long time as like a
framer and stuff.
That’s true, but what was I
going to say?
Oh, we haven’t really talked
about like her dress, like, I
don’t know.
It’s it’s it’s also like simple
yet beautiful and playful like
it’s got.
Like embroidered flowers on it,
it’s like.
Mostly white.
Yeah.
Like it’s, it’s really lovely.
And then yeah, it’s fun what
they did for the paperback that
they used basically the same
layout, but it’s like bright
blue.
Yeah, like almost Tiffany Blue.
Yeah, it’s.
Close to that.
It is kind of close to that
actually.
It’s fun because I can always
notice it on the Druze news desk
because of that bright blue.
It’s always fun to spot it
there.
That’s fun.
I love.
I also love that they added this
quote on the cover with the
paperback.
It says pure delight.
Yeah.
It’s really cute.
I’ll just say one more thing
about the back of it.
So there’s a quote there that’s
from the book.
It’s from the preface.
Right, it says.
We all have stories to tell.
These are mine.
Oh, and I just noticed that you
can see the trampoline.
Yeah, it’s kind of funny that
they left it in.
Yeah, I like it though.
Me too little behind the scenes.
We love that.
Yeah.
And then of course, there the
author photo Diego also took.
And it is true with her
daughters, Olive and Frankie.
And she doesn’t often show them
anymore.
In fact, she hasn’t for probably
pretty soon after this book came
out.
So it’s it’s nice to know that
like, like I’ve used that one
for Mother’s Day a couple times
on social media because I’m
like, she chose this one.
She said this was OK to show
people, right?
This, this can be the photo that
we use of them until, until
there’s another state.
You know, I was just gonna say
that until, like, they’re of age
and they can put out photos of
themselves with their mom that
we will.
Share We.
Hope, right?
But it’s adorable.
It’s so cute.
It captures them like how old
are they here?
Gosh, one and three.
Yeah, they’re little.
It’s.
It’s darling.
It’s really darling.
We have more behind the scenes.
This is so fun.
So Drew posted a few times about
recording the audio book in
September of 2015.
So we like have like this
timeline exactly locked down by
Drew herself.
That’s, yeah.
And I guess we didn’t really
like put anywhere in the notes,
but yes, there is an audio book
of Drew reading everything
herself.
We will occasionally be
inserting clips from that in our
coverage.
Sometimes they’re very slow.
Like I think she was directed to
be very clear and concise with
her wording.
So sometimes it’s hard to like,
you know, I think Anne and I
speak a lot faster than that,
and so does she normally.
Right, right, right.
But it’ll be fun to put them in
once in a while.
And there are some like fun
ways, of course, that she is
speaking about her own story.
So it’s like it’s a unique way
to enjoy the book for sure.
And you just got it through the
library, right?
So people, if you haven’t
listened to the audiobook and
you want to, that is a way you
could do it for free.
Yeah, it was completely free and
it was easy.
I had to I have to wait for like
the the e-book that’s not the
audio book for like 2 weeks.
Wow.
Yeah, so that’s crazy, but the
audio book was available
immediately.
I was like, oh, perfect.
Love that.
Love Libby.
Yes, exactly.
Thank you Libby and libraries.
Yeah, we love libraries, yes.
So the book was finally released
on October 27th, 2015.
I never think of this as like a
Halloween release.
It’s a spring.
It does just sort of like a
special little thing.
So the day of the release, Drew
posted a tribute to her mom,
Jade, on her Instagram.
And she used a photo that we
were asked to provide, which is
really cool.
Her people, AKA Mason at the
time, reached out and said, you
have a good photo of Drew and
her mom.
We sent this over.
It’s from the book The
Barrymores.
And yeah, Drew posted it and she
credited us, which was really
fun.
At the end of the caption, she
wrote thank you to the Drewseum
for the photo and they
even showed on Entertainment
Tonight with the caption.
I was like, wow, we made it to
Entertainment Tonight.
So cool.
Do you want me to read the
caption?
OK, so the caption said today I
wrote a book and as I think and
celebrate many women this week,
I must say a huge thank you to
my mother.
As I say in the
acknowledgements, thank you for
my life.
I am ever so pleased to be here.
We have had quite a road and it
is paved with gratitude.
So cool.
And then followed by thank you
to us.
I also think this photo of Jade
is the most reminds me of Drew,
the most of any photo of Jade
I’ve ever seen.
Funnily enough one of the first
comments cuz I went to because
you linked to it in our notes.
Yeah, it said.
Like you look so much like your
mom.
Oh, that’s interesting.
Yeah, and I was like, I had
never.
I shouldn’t say I have never,
but like, I usually don’t look
at Jade and go, Oh my God,
never.
It’s usually like I see her.
I see her like dad, yeah, so
much and that side of the
family.
But you’re right.
It really does like look like
her now.
Kind of the expression, right.
It’s pretty cool.
Yeah, it is.
We have really cute pictures of
you and me when we got the book,
we’re going to recreate those.
But yeah, the book, I mean, I
guess I’ll just say really
quickly, it was over 10 years
ago.
Like what?
I still remember dropping Mila
off some at something after
school and driving to Barnes and
Noble, getting my book and like,
sitting down in the cafe and
just like, Oh my God, it’s
finally in my hands and like
flipping through.
I remember it being very, I
mean, like, God, imagine that
happening now.
So exciting.
It’s so exciting.
It’s so exciting.
And Speaking of exciting things,
they did a bunch of book
signings around the country.
Not a bunch, a few.
No, there were a lot.
I think it was 10, yeah.
Oh wow, cool.
And we have to mention another
thing that we’re at.
We’re just here to brag today, I
guess in Los Angeles on November
the book signing at the Grove.
Is it?
Is that what the Barnes and?
Noble at the Grove.
And we have an episode about
this.
We’re just going to keep veering
you to more episodes.
Episode 16, we tell you all the
details about that day, which
was also very special.
That was.
Very special.
We were kind of given, I’ll just
say it, VIP access.
So it’s sort of funny.
It’s like we went from, you
know, being off to the sidelines
with all the fans at the 51st
dates premiere.
And eleven years later.
Yeah, We were literally like
reserved seats in the front.
We were told to not go through
the regular line for signing the
book.
We were treated to like a little
private hang, withdrew after
everybody had left like.
Incredible.
That was that was probably when
when did we go to flower and
like talk to her in the
entrance?
our best, like, right, you know,
moments of like really getting
her time and just being really
special.
Not that going to the Drew
Barrymore Show wasn’t, but that
was much more rushed.
Right.
So this, I mean, this was one of
the times that her team at that
time were really In Sync with us
and utilizing us and seeing our
value.
It was really incredible and I
love that you like in our notes
you popped in like the card we
gave her and the little gift
that we gave her.
I’m like Oh my God, I forgot
these little details of like.
Yeah.
You know.
We got our nails done like at
Olive in June, Which carried
Flower Beauty nail Polish.
And yeah, Drew’s like friends
with the owner of that.
Like it was just a very like,
exciting day.
And we had like our In style
magazines, I believe, like it
was just a total Drew day.
And we’ll just mention too, like
we were there with Joalena and
Brian, of course, our friends,
our friends who we’ve mentioned
before.
Hi guys, Both been on the show.
They’re both amazing.
Yes, and we got to all like we
have like a row of these drew
bees just all giggling together.
And we had all met on the same
message board as teenagers, like
Joalena and Brian were like 14
when we met the pod line.
So little, so like, and like
we’re full adults in this and
it’s 10 years ago.
Like this is guys, we’ve been at
this for a while.
Yeah.
And I don’t unfortunately
remember which of the
inscriptions she put on my book,
but your book is signed.
Love you so.
I know.
Yeah.
So we got to have, like, our own
private little signings with
her.
I know that she wrote.
I think in Joalena’s, she wrote
Love, love, love.
Like they were all different.
Yeah.
Which is so cute.
And I think.
Mine says you’re the best with a
little error, but.
Wouldn’t it be true otherwise?
And then we kind of, I remember
we had sort of discussed ahead
of time, like what if we had her
sign?
Like we don’t normally go for
autographs.
It’s not really our like major
thing.
But what if we have our sign
something and make it out to the
Drewseum?
And so she did.
There it is.
And showing it both to post this
video.
So we brought the famous
Herb Ritts photo of her profile.
It’s like kind of the Drew
picture to a lot of us.
And it was like the perfect
thing to bring.
And she wrote to the Drewseum.
My friends, all my love, your
girl D.
Yeah.
And so this became like the
heading of our website, the the
Jerusalem.
It’s our like profile image on a
lot of things and.
It’s and it’s the picture I’ve
I’ve taken to get my hair cut
probably since 2005 or
something.
But yes, I have it framed and
it’s at my home in Maine.
With I’m so like that’s not in
storage.
It’s one of the only parts of my
collection that I brought with
me and I’m not sure why but I
think I was just like oh I can
bring like that feels easy
enough to like pack with other
if.
You hadn’t.
I would have been like, you need
to send it to me like it needs
to be seen.
This was very special.
Like it was like, it literally
feels like the postcard was like
the perfect thing for signing
like the way that the way that
the white border is.
Oh, Drew.
It’s just gorgeous.
So that’s our, like, own little
side amazing story to do with
Wildflower.
It’s just, you know, we’re very
lucky to have had that access
and that opportunity.
Thank you, Chris Miller.
And yeah, so now we’ll get back
to the book.
We also have to mention that
Wildflower appeared on the New
York Times bestseller list the
week of November 15th at #9 and
stayed on the list for three
weeks.
So I’m sure that was huge for
Drew.
Oh, yeah.
Like, I mean, that’s really
exciting.
And I mean, us Ruby is all over
the world.
We’re a huge part of that.
Yeah, and like, as someone who
loves books so much and she like
reveres authors, like that’s
probably, you know, I, I think I
don’t know about Rebel
Homemaker, but her other three
books are on the list at various
points as well.
So pretty cool.
Right.
I’m sure it’s that made her
really proud.
Yeah, that’s what she deserved.
Yes, we made one more note about
another release.
So the paperback book was
released on May 17th of 2016.
I don’t remember if I bought a
copy of the paperback yet.
Oh no, isn’t.
That weird you?
Must.
I must, you think I must, but I
don’t remember.
You think I must, but must I?
Well go get it cuz it’s cute.
Yes, it’s very cute.
OK, so we’re gonna talk talk
about some kind of random parts
of the book.
So like I said, we’re not gonna
get into chapter by chapter
until we’re over on Patreon, but
we will talk about there is a
dedication, there is a preface,
there is a poem entitled
Wildflower, and there are the
acknowledgments.
So we’ll get into all of those
and then come join us on Patreon
for the rest.
Yes.
OK, so let’s just get into the
dedication first.
I love that it’s just like it’s
beautifully.
It sets it in a very specific
place in time.
Yes.
But it also it’s very sweet.
To my friend family, my flower
family, my Kopelman family, and
my daughters, thank you.
You taught me everything I know.
Sweet, to the point, concise.
Love it.
This is probably a good place to
note.
So when this book came out, Drew
was still married to Will
Kopelman and that is very much
reflected in some of the
chapters.
These are chapters I don’t think
would be included if she was to
like repackage the book these.
Days right their.
Split was announced early April
of 2016, so not terribly long
after this came out.
And I even I think I was reading
like an article from the
beginning of 2016 and it, it
was, it was you could read
between the lines that things
were, you know.
Wheels were turning in that.
Direction story.
Yeah, yeah, got it.
So it’s just feels worth
mentioning because as I said,
when we get into some of the
chapters, it’s gonna be very
focused.
And here we have it right there
that she’s saying my Kopelman
family and I don’t, I don’t
think she would include that
these days.
Just a guess.
I wonder if she would just like
kind of like group it under some
other very general family
statement.
My daughter’s family.
Yeah, I wonder.
It is.
It is interesting to think
about, like how she looks back
on that time.
Another thing we would love to
read in her memoir, Future
memoir.
Just interview her about why not
hi.
Drew, come on the pod.
OK.
So we’ll just kind of go through
the preface a little bit, and
she talks a bit about like the
making of the book.
Yeah.
So she explains that the stories
are personal, and she wanted to
just, like, elaborate on these
certain memorable moments in her
life rather than write a quote
sweeping life story.
And I think, you know, maybe we
should have even said that
earlier.
Like, this is not a
chronological linear biography,
right?
This is literally like short
little essays about just
different moments in her life
that she wanted to talk about.
It’s, it’s so fun and it’s so
unique in its own little thing.
Yeah.
And again, that sweeping life
story thing like.
Leave that to the pros.
We’ve pretty much been doing
that for the last 3 1/2 years on
this podcast.
That’s.
True.
And she says that her publisher
wanted to call this a memoir,
but that felt too heavy for
Drew.
Like it just didn’t feel right.
Because it’s it’s not really.
It’s interesting to think of
like the distinction, like, OK,
then it becomes what?
Like a biographical book of
essays.
Like biographical essays?
Yeah, that’s.
That’s accurate.
Yeah.
She, she said this before in the
quotes that we said above.
But she wants the book to be
something you could just, like,
dip into and feel something.
So like you, like you said that
like even in the first like
story, there are like emotions
that come up.
So definitely, definitely.
And then finally, she explains
how hard it was for her to like
pull herself away from her
daughter’s to work on this.
But she made it happen, which
I’m like, props to you because
even just recording this today
took a lot of like moving parts
for me.
I do not have my daughters
around.
Yep, Yep, totally, totally.
Again, like a little peek into
that moment.
We’re looking at this little
girls on that cover like little
little girls.
So we have this is video you
took at that book signing of
Drew Reading.
So we’re going to just finish
the end of the preface of Drew
Reading this at the book signing
rather than the audiobook.
This is kind of more like
exclusive to us.
Yes.
And very like fun to revisit
this version.
Yeah.
So here we go.
For some reason I had to write
this book.
I have become more private every
year and yet these stories were
beating at the door of my heart,
screaming.
Let me.
Out.
Maybe it was that I have always
dreamed of being a writer.
Those people who do the typing
and the transporting are my
heroes.
I have never been able to do
that.
I have never been brave enough,
hard enough, had enough, to say
I had not exercised those
abilities in my life, and now I
have, alone in a room.
And yet, as I say in the book,
you do nothing in this life
alone, and most of all, you do
not live alone.
And therefore we all have
stories to tell.
These are mine.
You know, I just had an
interesting thought, like as as
she was reading that because
she’s like, oh, I’ve never been
that person to sit down and do
the typing.
And I’m like, yeah, we’ve kind
of learned with little girl
loss.
She did not.
Like she went and sat with Todd
Gold in a restaurant and told
him everything and then he ghost
wrote it.
But right, it’s sort of neat to
know, like, this was sort of her
chance to really do that.
To really do that, Yeah.
When did she start doing like
those blog posts?
Oh, that was like COVID.
That was like 2020, OK.
That’s so fun and has like a
yeah, a feeling that’s akin,
like almost like those are
little essays.
Right.
Oh my gosh.
Well, when we finish doing
Wildflower, we’ll do all the the
blog, the blog.
That there’s not that many of
them.
Yeah.
I wish she would bring that
back.
Gosh.
Right, I know the last one was
quite a while ago.
Anyway, we’ll get into that
later.
Guys.
We have endless content to cover
with Miss Barrymore.
Oh, it’s time to come.
So here’s another thing we want
to hear.
I want to I thought it would be
fun to hear Drew read.
So the the first kind of like
it’s not a chapter, but the
first like content in the book
is a poem called Wildflower you
noted here.
We like, don’t know when it was
written because there’s not
really any attribution day or
anything or like who it was
written for.
Yeah, I remember it first being
like, did Drew write this?
And like, it’s very obvious.
But I remember when I was first
reading it, I was like, wait,
where’s this coming from?
What is this?
Right, so I’m going to play the
audio book version of it just so
we can hear the poet herself.
OK.
Wildflower, a poem out there in
the world of chaos.
All the concrete and fumes.
People with determination behind
the wheel, the soles of their
feet.
Wiser, some faces with souls of
routine, others with high hope
of their destination.
Among all the human and
industrial invention, my eyes
find a tiny wildflower with
pretty yellow petals and a brown
button nose, reminding me that
there is beauty everywhere.
A compass of nature, a second of
stillness in my mind as my heart
races to the rhythms of its
swaying in the wind.
You are that flower, reminding
me of what is real.
No, that’s cool.
I just had two thoughts while we
were listening to it.
Sorry.
I just so many things come up to
me on the fly.
Number one is that the the
flower swaying the wind is
literally like a feature of the
wildflower video that Missy
made.
It’s kind of weird.
It sure is like the primary
feature.
Yeah, there’s a Daisy flapping
in the wind.
That’s.
Crazy.
And also, this is very thematic
of the 1st chapter where she’s
talking about, I’m not gonna go
too deep, but where she’s
talking about growing up in a
kind of gritty neighborhood.
But she had these tiny little
pieces of nature at this duplex
where she lived, and that it’s
sort of the same thing here in
the concrete, this little
wildflower growing.
And I’m sure she sees herself,
that little wildflower.
Yeah, and I like how above it
was like, who is this written
for?
I think she’s just writing it
for herself, right.
Oh, maybe.
OK, so this is all this is fun
because it gets into like so
many people we know why they are
here, a handful of people, why
that we don’t.
So the acknowledgement section.
Yeah, it’s almost like this
weird little like peek into
something that you’re not really
supposed to know.
Like I always love the
acknowledgements in books cuz
you kind of find information
that maybe you wouldn’t
normally.
I don’t know, It’s just a funny
thing.
I mean, similar to like, it’s
not really the same, but like
notes at the end of like
scholarly papers sometimes will
be like this person for like
helping me like not kill myself.
Like not really, but like, yeah,
here’s all the people who helped
them through it.
And it’s just like at the end of
some like very anyway.
I totally get what you’re
saying.
Yeah.
This is the very end of the
book.
Yeah.
We’re just going to, like,
quickly summarize here and
there.
So she of course starts out by
thanking her girls and the
Kopelman family.
Of course.
The flower, her flower films
family, and she specifically
mentions Nancy Javonin, Chris
Miller and Mason Hughes, who
yeah, we’ve talked about all
three in this episode already.
That’s hilarious.
Yes, we have.
And I feel like she says
something specifically about
Mason, like I don’t remember
what it is, but something like.
I wanna look.
Says the great Mason Hughes, who
is my rock in every way.
I just thought that was it was
sweet.
Come back.
Great.
I know what what is.
Do we know what Mason’s doing
now?
It’s a side, side moment.
Yeah, I don’t know.
Mason, we’d love to have you on.
Are you listening?
I would love to have him on.
I’ve put the offer out before.
Maybe I need to put it out
again.
Yeah, maybe.
Tony’s been on a couple times.
He’s he’s kind of like making up
for some of Mason’s silence
there.
She also acknowledges that her
literary agent, Simon Green, and
her editor, Jill Schwartzman.
And you pulled a quote of Jill
talking about Drew.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What is it from?
It’s from Good Housekeeping
I just happened to like come
across it while I was not
looking for it.
So, so, her editor said.
Drew is so passionate and
dedicated.
We sat shoulder to shoulder,
ending her book, and not only is
she a wonderful writer, but by
the time she left, I’m certain
she’d hugged at least 75% of us.
Probably 100.
Let’s see, that sounds about.
Right.
She also thanks, of course,
Steven Spielberg and his wife,
Kate Capshaw.
So there’s a like sweet, of
course, little thing about that.
Yeah, then there’s like, there’s
like agents, attorneys and
business managers.
We don’t need to give their
names.
She does give a special thank
you to makeup artist Robin
Fredericks.
And she said because Robin
always said to me in a playful
yet forceful tone that I should
write about my story.
So thank you, Robin.
Yeah, thank you.
We have you to think
specifically.
And then the next section is she
lists girls who make her swoon.
So these are a bunch of her
girlfriends.
We’re not going to read them
all.
Cameron is there, her old school
buddies, Mel and Justine, which
is fun, like Tamara Davis.
It’s a great list.
There’s some that I’m like who?
But for the most part I’m like
Yep, that all makes sense.
Yeah, yeah, she also thinks her
nanny, so she lists two people
specifically by name, which is
really sweet.
Of course, she’s talking all
about, like, not being around
the girls all day during this
process.
So big deal.
Like TJ Vodin’s parents, she
thanks them for making her feel
like a daughter, which is breaks
my heart a bit.
I love that she thanks Jimmy
Fallon.
And so it’s like, go socks.
Yeah.
That’s so funny.
Yeah.
She also thinks the crew of the
cover art for the book, So the
photographer Diego, and then
Deborah Ferrullo, who did her
makeup and Mr. Daniel Howell,
who did her hair, which is, she
says, like, thanks for always
making me look beautiful or
something like that.
Yeah.
There’s also the former
Barrymore Brands designer
director Francesca de la Fuenta,
or Fuente, she accidentally
writes.
Francesca Fuente.
And I was like trying to find
her.
I’m like, that’s not right.
So it’s, I think she was the one
behind the look of like Flower
Press and that old Like Flower
by Drew website that was so
colorful and graphic.
I think she’s the reason for
that.
She did some like Barrymore Mag,
I mean Drew magazine stuff as
well.
Very cool.
And Dear Drew, she was very
involved with the Dear Drew
store.
We love that stuff.
Yeah, like, amazing.
And then her last two
acknowledgments are two of her
parents, she says.
And to my mother, Eldiko Jay
Barrymore, thank you.
I am ever so pleased to be on
this planet.
And to my father, John Drew
Barrymore, see you again
someday.
Oh, really?
Sweet.
Yeah, so that’s really cool.
So those are the
acknowledgments.
So those are all the kind of
like, little bits and bobs from
the books that aren’t in the
chapters.
One last little thing just to
sort of wrap it up on the book
flap, it says from Fancy love
her work.
To anyone who has ever had to
struggle to become an adult on
his or her own terms, this is a
book that will inspire delight
and show the true meaning of
family, happiness and love.
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How Do You Drew Episode 122 – Favorite Red Carpet Looks
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I’m an
I’m Ashley. And this week we are
discussing our personal favorite red
carpet looks worn by our girl Drew. This
is going to be so fun going through this
like literally when you’re saying like
[laughter] all aspects of Drew’s world
and I’m like this is like literally her
whole life.
I know.
I was like reviewing while doing this
like a little bit of research. Like
it’s also wild that we’ve never done
this. Like it feels like we must have
done this at some point but nope we did
not. I literally was like oh my god did
we do this for the website because we
had like a top five. Yes we did. We did
a long time ago.
Oh did we? Yeah, it’s gone though. It
like got lost when our site got lost.
Anyway, this is totally unrelated too.
Okay, I was just gonna say like we did
magazine covers because I remember that
list too.
And we also done our favorite of Drew’s
performances. So, if you go guys want to
know some of our other picks. Uh we will
put links to those on the episode page.
Yes. Can we do some follow-ups to our
last episode? Yeah. Our last episode 121
was all about Drew’s film and TV cameos
and we had a caveat at the top. We were
like hopefully this is the definitive
list. We’ve probably forgotten
something.
We kind of joked about it a lot
[laughter] like
Yeah. So I mean first thing is I want to
say is that I think some people consider
Batman Forever to be a cameo and that
did not meet our criteria because first
of all she gets like opening credits
billing like a cameo would never have
that and she’s in quite a few scenes. It
was originally supposed to be more like
a cameo but the role was expanded and if
you guys want to know more about Drew’s
um involvement in Batman Forever you can
listen to our episode 107. It was a
really I really enjoyed doing the
research on that one. And I had so much
fun.
I was just going to say for how little
she’s in the movie, I feel like we
talked a lot about like her involvement
and it was really fun. Like that was a
weirdly fun episode, right?
I just um had a message from our friend
Joalena who she just listened to it and
she loved it. I was like, “Thanks. I
love doing it.
Thank you [laughter] Joalena. We love
you.”
Okay, so we also just wanted to mention
that we did miss a few cameos. It’s
bound to happen, right?
We’re human. I guess we’re not the
perfect Drew Barrymore encyclopedias we
claim to [laughter] be.
We’re using like so many sources and
then still things pass through.
Um so in 2005 there was a movie Stewie
Griffin the untold story where Drew has
a voice cameo as herself
and this is um Drew at like an event or
premiere and she her date is the
Kool-Aid Man. So that’s kind of funny
you [laughter] and we’ll we will link to
that as well. It’s on YouTube. Um, the
next one was pointed out by our dear
friend Tess. She was like, “Hey guys,
remember in 2022, Drew did a Simpsons
voice cameo as herself.” So, she had
done a guest appearance in like 99 on
the show,
right? As a character.
As a character. Yeah. This was like a
very literally a cameo. It’s like two
lines or something. And she’s herself on
the phone with Marge. And that is season
34, episode 4, The King of Nice.
Yeah. And that’s I love that Tess
pointed out. She said like the Simpsons
is huge in her household. And I was like
that’s so cool that like she like pulled
it out of like two fandoms. I don’t
know. Like that’s really cool.
Yeah. Thank you, Tess.
Yeah. And last of all, um in 2023, Drew
was on the Eric Andre show as herself. I
remember the ridiculousness of her like
she was like overly compassionate,
right? Like as herself.
Um, it’s like this panic moment where I
don’t even want to try to explain it,
but um, she’s like comes in, she’s like,
“I’m Drew Barrymore. I’m an empath. I
can help.” And it’s like, it’s very like
it’s over the top
esoteric comedy. It’s very strange and
like what what just happened.
It’s very Eric Andre. I guess if I know
like very little about him, I can see
that it goes that way. Like almost
like weird, like over the top, but just
like a little bit uncomfortable. Like
what?
Yeah. [laughter]
All right. Okay. So, now we can move on
to other things at the top of the
episode. So, let’s talk about things
that Drew’s proclaimed her love for
recently.
I love love.
Okay. Drew loves a loaded baked potato.
Yum.
She loves a Diane Keaton baby boom
moment. [laughter]
She loves fried green tomatoes, which I
remember her proclaiming her love for
that like decades ago. So, I love that
consistency.
I think I’ve seen it once and I do
remember enjoying it.
Oh,
right. I need to see it again.
Really? I’ve seen it a lot. It was like
a favorite of mine for a while. Um, it’s
like also the other Mary Louise Parker
movie where she’s like sick and kind of
in a lesbian relationship. [laughter]
Got it. Very familiar.
Yeah. Drew also loves coffee and steak
together.
Okay.
She loves a Japanese breakfast.
Okay.
Harold Ramos. Okay. Watching cooking
shows. No surprise.
She loves when it’s not unanimous.
[laughter]
It’s kind of that thing of she loves a
debate, all those things.
Okay, sit down. Did you know Drew loves
the Beatles?
No way. How has she not said that?
[laughter]
I know. I checked.
I mean, of course she said it, but like
in any of the things that we
specifically have covered like
since we’ve been tracking. Yep. Okay.
She loves Rod Stewart.
Okay. Drew loves America’s Got Talent
and wall art. I like the wall art. As a
framework for many years, I’m like,
“Yeah, me, too.”
Hey, yeah, that’s right. [laughter]
Now, let’s uh go into our mailbag.
[laughter]
You’ve got mail. We got a really sweet
email from the lovely person who runs
the Lucy Lou fan account, Lunatic
Fringe, which is such like creative
name. I love it.
That’s cute.
Um, this is just going to be a little
small excerpt. She also shared a lot
about Lucy’s involvement with Charlie’s
Angels. And she showed that she has she
owns the red dress that Lucy wears in
the massage scene with Tim Curry. And
it’s like on a dress form and it looks
all beautiful. So, I thought that was
really fun.
That’s so cool. Yeah. Okay. So, she
said, “I’m a huge admirer of yours and
what you’ve been able to accomplish with
your fandom, including your amazing
memorabilia collection. The podcast is
fantastic and fun to listen to. As a
Lucy Liu Liunatic, I especially loved your
recent Angel’s Anniversary episode.” A
thank you.
Thank you so much. And we will link to
that Instagram as well. You guys got to
go to how youdrew.com for all the
episode links. and we love collectors.
So like just like to hear that somebody
like has a costume and gives a
about that like I don’t know you know
it’s like
on a like completely separate but
related side note um there is also an
Instagram account called the Alyssa
Milano Museum.
Okay.
And the guy that runs that has been
collecting for way longer than we have.
And I don’t know how much you know about
her, but she has like a huge like
overseas like she was like huge in Japan
and stuff and I think he’s French, but
he showed his binders and it like put
ours to shame. I couldn’t believe it.
I love imagining other collections like
ours. Actually, I haven’t Why haven’t I
really imagined like specifically like
binders of like photographs and clips
and stuff?
I will send you the post. Yeah, I was
nerding out on it.
I mean, come on. I’ve got I’ve got a
sound for this. I love paper.
Yeah.
Yes.
I like paper. I want paper.
[laughter]
Paper in binders. Thank you.
I mean, we are I’m just It’s like making
my heart flutter a little bit.
I [laughter] know. I get it. I get it.
All right. Speaking of things that make
our mind our minds flutter. No, our
hearts flutter. Let’s go into the kind
comments corner.
So sweet.
Okay. Did you see this Instagram reel
that went up today on the Drew Barrymore
Show’s Instagram account?
I just watched it. Yeah.
Oh my gosh. So, it’s a They show a
picture of Drew when she was 10. And I
know that we have talked about this
before. She just looks you can just tell
she is just struggling like she’s in a
sad place.
The one part I remember she says
something like if you look in her eyes
you can see that she’s seeking like who
do they want me to be?
Yeah. Yeah. She’s just talking about how
there was so much pressure on her for
like her looks and her weight and like
you’re not old enough, you’re not young
enough, you’re not cute like you were in
too heavy.
Yeah. So, um anyway, of course there’s a
lot of really sweet comments on that,
but I like this one and it has a mention
of her being a light, so I thought this
was a good one for us to [laughter]
pick. Take a drink. She’s mentioned
being a light.
And this was left by Julia D. Whitley.
And Julia says, “I see you. I too was
that little girl being told who and what
I am by everyone but me. You have been a
light for so many of us all through your
life. And now you are lighting up the
sky with love, energy, and soul. Thank
you for being you.” That’s really sweet.
I know. That whole thing like really got
to me.
Yeah. And I think that she,
you know, she’s seeing that little girl
in a totally different way in the last
like several years. And it’s amazing.
And it’s amazing for us to go through
this and see the trauma like
within the pages of her book, within
like her life that’s been so public.
Yeah. Did we talk about the sardines
thing? I don’t think I think it happened
in between recording. Did you see where
she like
said she had a realization in therapy
that she as a little girl is one of the
sardines?
Yeah, I did.
Like it was healing. Yeah.
Yeah.
We love this stuff. And it’s like in a
way it feels like woo woo but in another
way it’s like no like this is like
healing you know.
Yeah. No, she needs to do this work.
[laughter]
Yeah.
From my like very armchair
perspective but like
deep diving in Little Girl Lost and
doing all these other millions of you
know hours of
you want to talk to her about them
because we know her perspective is like
so interesting.
So anyway that was lovely. Thank you for
that comment.
That was nice. And that was that post of
Drew was lovely of her talking about
that. Like it was really sweet. Okay, so
let’s get into what’s new with Drew.
Here we go with the news, everybody.
Okay, so the MSC cruises, remember we
talked about we knew that she’d filmed a
commercial. So there’s just a couple
more snippets that have come out about
that. There’s a cute behind the scenes
video and there’s also an onset
interview with Drew and Orlando Bloom.
So, be sure to check out their YouTube
if you want to see those. And again, we
will share the links. Okay. So, let’s
get into the next two episodes of
Hollywood Squares. Okay. So, um as of
this recording, episodes three and four
aired. There will be more airing the
night we record this, so we’ll talk
about those next time. Um this is really
sweet though. So, we have a nice little
like correspondence relationship with
Deborah Ferullo, who has worked with Drew
forever as a makeup artist, and she
worked on Hollywood Squares. and she
sent us a sweet little message just kind
of because I was asking you know how
sometimes Drew has this like freckle
here that gets really like um
colored in
accentuated. Yeah. Yeah. So I was just
like, “Hey, what’s that all about?” Like
I’m just curious, you know?
So she said, “Hi, happy new year.” Yes,
Drew has a little something there. Not
what you call a mole, but maybe a
freckle. For this look, I think I was
going for a 60s vibe, and I thought
giving her a little mole would be cute.
We do 22 shows and I try to change it up
for every show, but sometimes there is
just simply no time. So, we repeat a
look. And then she said, “As far as my
process goes, I have none. I’m not a
makeup artist that really thinks about
it. I like to start and then see where
it takes me.” Honestly, I’m just
crossing my fingers and winging it. I
love it so much. And that just like that
sentiment feels so Drew like
Yeah. And like successful every like her
Hollywood Squares looks so great.
They’re so great.
They’re so great. Who’s styling her for
them? Is it Lee or is it not Lee?
No, it’s not Lee this time, but um I’m
sorry. I don’t have the name at the top
of my head, but um Matthew Kilgore is
involved, which is cool. We like saying
that
Lana does her hair, but for some reason
Lana’s not in the credits. It’s kind of
weird, but like on social media, she’s
being credited by the other people who
worked on the show. I’m going to assume
that’s [laughter] correct.
Maybe it’s like more on like a team like
that’s lower level somehow. I don’t
know. That’s or just like Drew’s
personal like she’s I’m bringing my hair
stylist like she’s whatever.
Yeah.
Who knows? Um I’ll pay her out of my
pocket. Like don’t put it on the
whatever. [laughter] I don’t know. I
can’t I can’t imagine what the reason
would be. Okay. So the bonus round facts
I actually don’t remember if one of them
is true. [laughter]
Okay. And this is so funny because the
first one I’m like they absolutely
filled these over the summer. Like no
one listened to our last episode. But
you talked about something exactly like
this on our last episode.
I did and I don’t remember that.
Okay. So, the first one is that she
almost lost a finger once making a
smoothie.
Okay. And I didn’t know if it was true.
So, remind me like is it true or false?
It’s false.
Okay.
And you were talking about fingers in a
blender because we were talking about
the Santa Clarita Diet
first commercial. [laughter]
I was like, what are you talking about?
Like when would I ever have mentioned
that? That is so funny. Now I have the
image. It’s there.
Yeah. [laughter] So clearly somebody got
their inspo from that commercial. Okay.
It’s false. Yeah. And then the other one
was that she said Adam Sandler is her
best on-screen kiss.
And that was true. And I actually for a
second thought it was false because I
thought I was thinking about how she
like kind of had to say that she didn’t
think Jake Gyllanhaal was a good actor on
some show. And I thought there was like
a kiss thing that ended up anyway. Yeah.
And I think like I feel like there’s
been times that she’s been asked that
and she’s deferred. Like she never wants
to like pick favorite. So I was also
like
that’s why I was kind of not sure.
Okay. [laughter]
I mean they definitely have like won
awards for being like on screen kiss,
right?
That’s [laughter] true.
Whichever one has the best kiss, they’ve
won
MTV.
Okay. So now let’s talk about like one
of the coolest things we’ve literally
seen in a while. So, Track Star, if you
guys aren’t familiar with this like
show, I usually just see clips on
Instagram. I realized I didn’t know they
were long form, so I’m like stoked.
So, the guy basically has celebrities,
well-known people standing on the street
in New York listening to music on
headphones and identifying the artist.
And it’s always fun, like almost no
matter who it is, it’s fun. And can you
explain like how this totally was like
structured interestingly?
Um I mean I first of all I wasn’t
familiar with this until so it was like
double exciting for me because it’s
really fun. It’s got like that name that
tune thing to it and it just like
appeared on Monday morning and I was
like what is this? This is so cool. So,
they’re on the roof of the CBS studio
building, which is really funny. And um
every song that was selected for her to
identify, I was like, “Oh, these were
chosen with great intention because
pretty much every single one except the
last one, which is the only one she did
not identify, I could like very easily
connect to her.”
Same. So, I was going to say it really
quickly is that I don’t know if that’s
usually the case. Things about it felt
really different than the other ones.
and she was like, she had just had him
on the show, which I was like, that’s so
cool for him.
And yeah, so she didn’t know this Wing
Chong song. And one thing that was
really funny is I was watching it with
my partner who loves Wang Chung.
[laughter]
He’s like, they’re one fan. No.
Well, we had been talking about Wing
Chong like the day before or like hours
before. I think it was the day before.
And then we watched this and he goes,
“Oh my god, they put a Wing Chong song
in.”
And then I had a weird coincidence with
that song. Um, this week too. Neil and I
were watching an old episode of Angel
and the character Angel like sings Wang
Chung karaoke. I was like, why is this
song in the ether?
That’s so amazing. I need to get back on
Buffy and Angel by the way. I never
finished.
You should. You should.
I really want [laughter] to. Anyway,
back to Track Star cuz it’s so cute.
It’s so adorable.
This is like my favorite thing she’s
done in a while.
And I was like, she loves music. Like
this is so her thing. Like it was so
great. And it also like she had like a
story for everything because again they
chose like very good ideas for songs. Um
and she just felt sort of like similar
to the Bill Maher interview. She just
felt more like relaxed and like herself.
Yeah.
Less performative and like obviously she
has to be performative on her show. But
um this was like a very refreshing like
ah there’s our girl kind of feeling for
me. It was so cute to see her dancing
like dancing to the Beatles and Siza and
The Cure. Oh my god,
it was so cute. And I love that we just
mentioned that she said she loved the
Beatles. Was it because of this?
Yes. [laughter]
And I I was like, “This is perfect.”
Like it’s I feel like when I think of
who her favorite band is, I still think
the Beatles.
Me, too. Yeah.
Like even I don’t know. Does she mention
it that much or do we just know that
when she talks about them, it’s with
such like reverence? Like
I think it’s just that. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay. So, talk about the coolest
part. [laughter]
Yeah. How much did you love hearing her
not only talk about this story about
making out in a car to Nirvana’s Never
Mind?
Yes.
But also like she parlayed that into
talking about her time with Hole, which
was like, you know, we always love that.
Yeah.
One of my Nirvana memories is is quite
naughty actually. I had a big old
makeout session in a car with someone to
that album in the morning sun and it was
real sexy and fun. And so when I hear
that album I go straight back to that
car.
But eventually I weirdly ended up
meeting Eric Erlandson from Hole and
going on tour with Hole and Kurt Cobain
had passed at that point. Um, but I am
the proud godmother of his daughter. And
I ended up becoming a part of that world
accidentally.
And how long has it been since she’s
mentioned being Francis Bean Cobain’s
godmother?
I have no idea.
Decades.
Was she at um Francis Bean’s wedding?
I don’t think anyone knows. I think it
was very um private.
Okay. But if you remember, Francis had
posted like a bunch of pictures maybe
over the summer and like there was one
that was Drew was in. So maybe Yeah.
I mean, I love the idea of that.
I know. Why is it so touching?
I mean, I think it’s also just like we
know that. Well, because then Drew
mentioned she never met Kurt because it
was like the year after, which was so
Anyway, it’s great. So, if you are
familiar with Track Star and you haven’t
seen Drews, watch it. If you’re not
familiar, also like go watch it. It’s
great.
[laughter]
It’s so good.
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Are you ready to talk about our favorite
red carpet looks?
Oo, let’s do it.
I love to wear a dress on the red
carpet. It feels so Cinderella fantasy.
That is so perfect. That’s totally the
sentiment that she always uses and she
literally just said that on the show.
Like it was posted today. [laughter]
What?
I know. Cosmic coincidence. I was just
going to say um [laughter] okay so
before we jump into like our tops we’re
going to just do some honorable
mentions. There are a lot.
It’s hard not to.
I literally for this thing I went
through every year where she would have
had a red carpet and skimmed [laughter]
every folder in our candidates folder
until I got to like 2015. Whatever year
I asked you [laughter] like do I need to
do this? Like it it took me so long.
Girl, I don’t know how you did that.
I don’t know why. I mean, there a couple
did surprise me and I think that’s why
you were you were kind of surprised by
my list. But anyway, there are lots of
honorable mentions because it was hard
to narrow down.
But it’s also super fun to go through
like these and maybe why we didn’t pick
them because I think I usually have a
reason why they didn’t make it like
Okay, I don’t know if I have like
specific reasons. Mine are just like
it’s just not quite there. If I’m going
to pick five, these are just right under
there. [laughter]
Okay, so we’re going to do these
chronologically. We’ll also be doing our
top looks chronologically, so we’ll kind
of be swapping wherever we ended up
including something. So, it’s it’s kind
of a weird little format, but here we
go.
Okay, so the first one that I chose as
an honorable mention is the CFDA fashion
awards. That was on fe in February of
How Do You Drew Episode 121 – Film & TV Cameos
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discussing Drew’s many film and TV
cameos.
Fun.
Yeah, fun. Here’s our little like one of
our uh many like list episodes that
we’re working on.
Yes, I was going to say the same thing.
I love these like definitive list
episodes that we do.
Yeah,
definitive. Hopefully. We already had
realized we missed a couple and had to
scramble to add them at the last minute
in our notes.
So definitive.
So definitive. Now it’s definitive.
Hopefully. Hopefully.
For this moment right now, as far as we
know.
Yeah.
All right. So, for the top of the
episode, we’ve got some tidbits, it
looks like. What do you got here? Well,
I do want to follow up. So, when I
listened back to our last episode, I
feel like I was a little hyperbolic
about Drew and Jade’s relationship
because I was like, Jade being Drew’s
mom, if you guys don’t know, I said
like, “Oh, since 1992, they haven’t even
spoken.” I think I made like a very
broad statement like that. And then, of
course, it like came back to haunt me. I
just kept thinking about it like, “That
was so not true, Ashley. Why did you say
that?
So, you’re like, I need to clear this
up.
Yeah. So, um I just want to say, you
know, aside from the Tom Green era of
like late was late 2001 where she
actually like did spend time with Jade.
Aside from that, um we do know that they
had like always occasionally
corresponded throughout the years via
like letters or calls or texts like very
um
sporadic or
Yeah. sporadic and not in person, but we
do know of a few moments that they were
photographed together. Um, in 2006, Jade
attended that really cool um, photo
gallery.
I think it was almost even like a
charity auction of Drew’s photography
from Africa for Marie Claire.
Yeah.
And then also in 2011, they were
photographed on Mother’s Day um,
alongside Will Kopelman. So, they’ve
definitely seen each other a few times.
I don’t think they’ve ever met Drew’s
like Drew’s daughters have ever met
Jade. It doesn’t sound that way from how
she’s spoken. That’s wild.
Yeah, that is crazy. So, anyway, I just
wanted to be like a little more clear, a
little more honest and specific, but
yeah, they don’t have like the
traditional mother-daughter relationship,
no matter how you want to look at it,
right? And they never have,
right? If you’re a regular listener, you
probably like know what we meant and all
that, but also we talk about Jade a lot.
Like, it’s a such a I mean, it’s a I
mean, we talk about Drew’s history and
that’s such a huge part of her formative
life is her relationship with her mom.
Um, so I think it’s important to clear
it up. Um, let’s just do a little bit of
celebrating at the end of this before we
get into Drew Loves. Uh, it’s the 20th
anniversary of the Drewseum on January 15th.
Oh my gosh. So, the Drewseum is our fan
site, you guys, that we created and
opened the doors January 15th, 2006. And
that is just crazy. We’re the longest
running Drew fan site on the internet.
Also, 20 years.
That’s a long time that we’ve dedicated
to this little project of ours.
Yeah, I’d say so. And that also like it
puts us at almost like 30 years as fans
when you like think about it.
Oh, yeah. We’re getting up there.
So cool.
So cool. So,
yay. Yes. Yay. The Drewseum. If you don’t
know the Drewseum, please visit the Drewseum.com
and peruse our little online Drew
Barrymore Museum.
Yeah, it’s the perfect companion piece
to this podcast.
Yes, exactly. It comes from uh our
little effort and hearts many years
coming. Um, okay. So, should we get into
what Drew has proclaimed her love for?
I love love.
Yeah, we got a great list this week.
Okay.
Okay.
Drew loves Christmas ornaments. Okay.
Snacking.
Oh, me too.
Treats.
Me, too.
She also loves civics and planning and
neighborhood stuff.
That’s funny.
I know. She loves a mayonnaise and
lettuce sandwich.
Yeah, I know. But also, I’m like, well,
I love like a mustard lettuce cheese
sandwich, so who am I to judge?
I’ll just eat mustard cheese all day
long. Mustard cheese. Mustard cheese.
So, like, yeah.
Um, she loves reading the news.
Okay.
A box cake.
Okay.
Egg whites.
Okay.
Okay. I love this one. She loves a
crooked label that’s been done by hand.
That’s so cute.
Wasn’t it like a small business on her
show?
It’s like salsa maybe. Yeah.
Yeah.
She loves when she sees men in touch
with their emotions.
A. And then finally, Drew loves a body
of work, which, you know, is kind of
what we’re over here celebrating every
time we release an episode.
That’s true. We specifically love Drew’s
body of work.
Yep.
All right. Um, okay. So, we have
something kind of fun for the kind
comments corner. So, let’s get into it.
So sweet.
I thought this was really cool. Um, I
think we both separately said that we
loved Jaime Lee Curtis’s appearance on
the Drew Barrymore show a couple weeks
ago. Um, and Jamie really seems to
understand Drew. Like what she says
here, I was like, “Oh, she gets it.”
Like this is really cool.
Like deeply gets it. So, let’s hear it.
My mom really wanted uh me to have,
thank God, a childhood,
which I understand you didn’t get. You
didn’t get that option.
No, I didn’t.
Um, and people didn’t step in and say
no. She will have a childhood. She will
have protection.
Yes. Exactly.
And I understand. And you are here on
your compassion comfort couch care,
doing this,
leaning in to people with your puppy.
And you’ve manifested now a life of
compassion, care, and leaning in. partly
because you didn’t get it and you get to
give it as a gift to other people.
That’s so sweet. It’s so perfect. And
you can see Drew like
Oh, yeah.
gearing up during it cuz she’s like,
“Oh, yeah. No wonder I want to make a
safe place for other people. It wasn’t
given to me.” Like,
you know, I always appreciate I’ve
talked about it before like Drew’s
journey is her own, but it it’s hard for
me to hear her blame herself for her
childhood. You know, she does it a lot.
So, it’s nice to hear her kind of agree
like, yeah, no one was looking out for
me and making sure I was safe,
right? And how could she have known in
in the time that was her childhood,
that’s the reality she knew except for
she knew like she didn’t have the white
picket fence and that her family was
non-traditional, right?
But how could she have known like how
much that her specific childhood and her
career impacted her? It’s so lovely that
she can have this show where she
basically gets to have like therapy
sessions like totally on, you know, like
it’s beautiful. So, yay. We’re glad that
it brought her to where it brought her
to, but sad that she had to go through
it, right?
So, thanks, Jamie Lee Curtis. Beautifully
beautifully said. Um, let’s go back in
time a little bit.
What did you pull for this week and Drew
history?
Okay, it’s not that long ago, but I
pulled it because I feel like you’re
going to really like the look, and I do
too, and there’s plenty to talk about
with it. So January 8th, 2017, Drew
attended the Golden Globes and this was
her final time attending those as of
now.
I would love to hope that she’s going to
go back cuz she actually went so many
years.
Yeah.
Um but this was our last one.
She wore a silver and white Monique
Lhuillier
I believe is how you say it.
I think it is Lhuillier probably. Yeah.
Gown. Um, she’s frequently worn that
designer on the red carpet and she was
styled by Lee Harris and I found some
cool quotes from him that he gave to
people.
Okay, so Lee said, “We are both drawn to
what we saw as a vintage art deco
quality in the gown and the special
detailing of the bare shoulder and
pleated sleeve.” Um, there’s also
another note that says it was Drew’s
idea to load up on Harry Winston jewels
so she’d bring a bunch of jewelry. And
it says, “In the end, Drew wore an
incredible array of seven exquisite
diamond rings and the most incredible
pair of flawless diamond earrings. Um,
the dress is stunning. I love the
description of art deco quality because
it looks like a building. It looks like
the art Empire State Building, you know,
like
Yeah. So, it’s beautifully art deco.
Absolutely stunning. I love it. I I want
sort of want to look at what other
dresses by that designer she’s worn just
to like refresh my memory. right off the
top of my head, the um also Golden
Globes when she was pregnant with
Frankie that had like the hearts like
flower petals. And I want to say her SAG
awards from 2010, that dark blue one
when she won for uh Gray Gardens. I think
that one too, but I think there’s even
more.
Very nice. But it’s a beautiful dress. I
love the look. Um and there’s more to
say about it, which is kind of cool.
Like you said, there’s some other
details.
Yeah. So, on the red carpet, Drew was
quoted as saying, “I was in New York in
the snowstorm last night because I
wanted to maximize my time with my
children and I was literally going like
nail-biting. I have a job to do, but I
chose to be a parent first. My karma, we
got on the plane and JetBlue got me
right here and it was all good. I was
playing with my kids all day.”
A that’s really sweet. I love that. I
love when she talks about her ability to
juggle her like family and work life.
Make it hard.
Yeah, totally. It’s also fun to note
that she attended with her Flower Films
family, Nancy Jonan, Chris Miller, and
and Mason Hughes, who was one of her
assistants at the time. So, it’s really
neat that we have a picture of them
together. Like,
we have so few of like her with her
team, you know, like
I always I always appreciate seeing
those. Um, also, speaking of cool
pictures, so Jimmy Fallon was the host,
so makes sense that uh Nancy was on
hand. and he apparently hired this
company called Photomatica to set up a
photo booth, like a vintage one on the
red carpet. And so we have some really
cute pictures of Drew posing in that.
And she signed it, too. I like found a
picture. All the people that went in
signed it. So cute.
A That’s cool. I love a photo booth.
Like
love. Always always and forever.
Yep. And I love that it’s such a thing
at like weddings now. Like every wedding
I go to, I’ve got like a photo strip.
Yes.
Um not the Golden Globes, but you know.
So, one other fun thing about this event
is that they were um at the time
promoting the first season of Santa
Clarita Diet. So, Timothy Oliphant and
Drew presented the best television
series uh comedy or musical and best
actress in a television series comedy or
musical. So, it was neat to see them,
you know, on stage presenting together
when the show would be premiering a few
weeks later. So, that’s really exciting.
And then during the actual broadcast,
the very first commercial for Santa
Clarita Diet aired. So, nice job
marketers.
Yeah. And the marketing for that, we got
to cover that show obviously, but the
marketing for that show is brilliant.
And it was the commercial where it
like kind of looks like a diet ad, you
know? Oh, it’s so good.
It’s like a blender bottle with like
fingers in it and [ ] right? Full of blood. Um anyway, really fun, beautiful look. Um great poll. I think that’s a good that’s a good choice. Um okay, a little bit more before we get into the topic. Um let’s talk about what’s new with Drew. Here we go with the news everybody. Okay, we don’t have too much because sort of similar to summer uh during the holidays, Drew also kind of disappears into hibernation. But we do want to report that there were these two surprise new Hollywood Square episodes that aired for the holidays. They are technically season 2 episodes 1 and two. So that was like out of nowhere and super exciting. Uh did you get a chance to watch yet? I did. Yeah, I did. I loved them. I like it. If you guys haven’t heard us rave about how much we love the previous season of Hollywood Squares, like we’re loving it. Yeah, it’s so enjoyable. Did we know that there were going to be holiday episodes? No, it didn’t. Surprise. And you know, she’s got a great like kind of festive look in them. Um and then like before, um we like to pull the little bonus round facts. So they go around and the contestant has to say if this is like true or false about each of the stars. So, well, I want to read Drew’s because they were both pretty funny. So, the first episode it was that her middle name is Kitten. I’m so glad the person didn’t think it was right. I pulled the speaker to my ear and hit rewind like, did I hear that right? Kitten. Yeah. Yeah. And then the second episode it was Drew designed a handbag called the Carry-more, which is very clever. It’s very clever. Like it does seem like possible. I feel like the person on the show like thought it was true and got it wrong. Drew was probably like, “Wait, why didn’t I do that in the Dear Drew line?” It almost got me. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, “No, but that’s smart.” Like it’s cute. Um but regular episodes will start airing on January 7th and um they’ve already like released press about that one and the January 14th episode. So, we have a lot of fun to look forward to. Yay. I love it. Hey Rubies, we are here to tell you about our website hosts Positive Medium and they sponsor the podcast. We’ve been clients of theirs for over 10 years and we use them for all our website needs on the drusium.com. Their services include customized web design, professional coding, search engine optimization and marketing, plus hosting, which has been huge for us for many years. Plus, their incredible customer service has been one of our favorite features. They’ve literally saved our site quite a few times, and they always help with minor troubleshooting in a matter of minutes. So whether that’s coding issues or back-end questions, etc., we reach out, we get help immediately, which is just invaluable. Lucky you. To our listeners, Positive Medium is offering 25% off any managed WordPress hosting plan using our promo code Drew. That’s D R E W. Visit our friends over at positivemedium.com. Thank you. Okay, are we ready to get into this weekly topic about Drew’s film and TV cameos? Yes. Yes. Yes. So, we want to like kind of set the guidelines for this. So, a cameo is technically a small character part in a, you know, play or show or whatever, and it’s played by a distinguished actor or celebrity. So, these all have to be like post Drew’s fame, right? The whole point is like Drew Barrymore. Um, and we’re only listing ones that are like, you know, less than three minutes. We’re not doing small parts or like guest appearances on TV shows where she like, you know, is throughout the whole episode. Like, these are really like very quick there she is and she’s gone kind of appearances. Right. Right. So, just a side note because they sort of fit into the cameo sort of realm. Uh, we released a whole episode talking about music videos that she’s appeared in on episode 25, which crazy how many episodes ago that was. I’m always shocked. Um, anyway, so if you want to hear us talk about music videos, it’s got his whole own thing. She’s in a ton. So, it’s really exciting. Definitely mostly cameos, too. So, that’s fun. Totally. And it’s funny because when I Googled I was like, I’m just going to Google like Drew Barrymore cameo. The first thing that it mentions many times is SZA’s video for her song Drew Barrymore. That’s a perfect example. Yeah. Talk about a blink and you’ll miss it. Right. So, that one comes up tons of times. So, anyway, we’re not talking about music videos here, you know, movie and TV, other stuff, but definitely check out the music videos episode. We go through a lot of fun stuff in that one. Um, all right. So, let’s begin. Um, we’re in 1985 with the release of Amazing Stories. Uh, she plays a character, Girl on Train, no name. Um, it’s the very first episode um called Ghost Train. It was directed by Steven Spielberg, so no big surprise that she ended up how she got that part. Um, she has no dialogue in this. Um, also in the episode is Lukas Haas, who would later play Drew’s brother in See You in the Morning and Everyone Says I Love You. So, that’s a fun little tidbit. I know it’s so funny like you don’t think of him as like one of her frequently worked with people, but right there it is. I made a cute little picture of like them from each of the productions and put I’ll put it in the gallery for this episode. I love it. Um, but yeah, it this is like talk about a blink and you’ll miss it. Like this train pulls up with all these ghostly like Victorian looking people in it and then it’s gone. Like it’s two seconds. And so you really have to know Drew is there to even catch her. But again, we’ll have um we’ll have a screenshot in our episode gallery if you guys aren’t familiar with this one. Yeah. Okay. Next up, we have Motorama. It was released in 1993. But it was filmed in late 90, early 91. So Drew’s quite young in it. And she plays fantasy girl. And not for the last time is she playing fantasy girl. Um, so Drew literally is playing like a girl in this kid’s dream and she is on a beach and she’s wearing like a bikini in LA and she’s just calling out to the main character in his dream about Motorama, this game that he’s trying to win. You did it. You won. Come on in. Come on in. Gus, you won. You did it. Gus, what’s that? You haven’t won yet. Oh my god, it’s so good. That always gets stuck in my head. You haven’t won yet. I didn’t remember the the rest of it at all. So, it’s it’s also fun to revisit that little blip. Totally. But the so like why is she in this weird movie? It’s full of cameos this movie. It’s like hilarious. Um but it was produced by Donald P. Borchers who had done Far From Home a couple years before this and then he also did doppelganger. So I think he was just kind of like you know trying to give Drew some work at this time in her life and she was gladly taking it as she was trying to get her career back on track. Yeah. Perfect fantasy girl. Yeah. Okay. Okay, so another weird one, guys. Uh, Waxwork Two, Lost in Time. What is Waxwork One? No idea. Um, so it’s from 1992, and Drew plays vampire victim. Again, no name. Um, Drew appeared in a very short scene with her friend Hadria Lawdner, who wasn’t an actress, but came along, which is so funny. Like, she just tagged bring a friend along. Yeah. Um, her friend Brent Bolthouse also appeared in the film apparently. It was so random. Never seen the whole thing of you. Uh, no. I have the VHS tape. Me, too. Maybe I’ve watched it. I’m not sure. Uh, Drew has no dialogue in this either. Um, and it’s said that she was called kind of last minute by the director to come film in a mall at midnight. So, they just like needed someone to fill in. She looks gorgeous. It’s black and white. I She’s beautiful. She’s like a Nosferatu victim and it looks like, you know, old timey movie black and white. Um, do you think she’s wearing a wig? Oh. She’s too much hair, I feel like. But I don’t know. I don’t know either. Maybe they didn’t have a budget for a wig. So maybe not. Probably not. If they’re literally filming it like they set up in a mall like this bedroom, but also like her hair looks kind of like curled. Like who knows? I don’t know. I can’t tell you. We’re lucky we know anything about this. The only reason we do is because when Gayle King came on her show a couple years ago and was doing behind the scenes but for Drew, she picked like some really random movies and I was like, “Yes, Gayle.” And this was one of them. So that’s how we know anything. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Uh we’ve mentioned this one a couple of times recently because this was a very new discovery for us and this is just a voice cameo. Um it’s a documentary about abortion called Roots of Roe. It was released in 93 and apparently it was kind of like repackaged and released again in late 96 or early 97. I just found something about that. It’s kind of weird. Okay, but um all that we get from Drew is that she reads a portion of a letter that like a real letter that was written to Margaret Sanger who is the founder of Planned Parenthood. Dear Mrs. Sanger, I am afraid I am pregnant again. If I was sure, I would commit suicide. very random. There’s a couple other I think like Sharon Stone and Brooke Shields also do voices. So, I don’t know how this happened, why, but it’s a it’s got to be included. Yep. And it’s a first of a couple voice cameos we’ll go over. So, we’re kind of covering that as well. Um here’s a little bit bigger one. We’ve definitely talked about this world this before. So, Wayne’s World 2 released in 1993. Drew plays Bjergen Kjergen. Um we just raved about this because we did the 1993 year in review. So, you can hear us talk about it there, but we’ll tell some details here. Let’s listen to the scene. Hi. Um, we’re here to see handsome Dan. My name is Wayne Campbell. Yeah, I know. We’ve been expecting you, Van Campbell. I am Bjergen Kjergen. Wow, I love your accent. Where are you from? I’m from Sweden. Oh, really? Whereabouts in Sweden? Knuergen near the Bjorgen Fjords. It’s so cute. It’s so cute. It’s like really adorable. She just looks so dreamy. Might as well be called Fantasy Girl in this one. Right. No, I’m just kidding. She looks Yeah, really. And she’s just this like receptionist at a radio station that Wayne and Gar are going to. And not the last time she’ll do a receptionist cameo either. So stay tuned. Take this next fact because I love the fact that I asked you a question about this and like you’re like kind of like assumed and then you were able to confirm it, right? Yeah. So we talked about this before, but just in case you guys didn’t hear. So Anne just like randomly one day was like why was she in Wayne’s world too and I was like I don’t really know maybe the DVD will hold the answer and it did. So I like put it on like that day like as soon as I got home and there’s a little featurette where Lorne Michaels says it was his idea to include her because he was a really big fan of her but he didn’t know if they could get her which is just like we’re we crack up at that idea. She loves SNL. She wasn’t in the peak of her career or anything, right? And then he just kind of credits that Mike Myers and his wife Robin like worked their magic to make it happen. So, we were laughing like they picked up the phone and made one of those charming calls that Drew always makes. Yeah. Yeah. So cool. We I love knowing this because Yeah. When my partner asked me why she was in it, I was like because she’s famous. Like I was like because she’s Drew Barrymore and like it made sense. But also like like you said, she wasn’t like at a peak of her career. Like it is a cameo. I was hearing more. But she was very much like a sex symbol at this time. And I think like you know she’s supposed to be super hot in this role and she is like I’ve mentioned before I see a lot of comments that this was like a sexual awakening for a lot of people. Like she was so hot in this part, you know? So it’s so funny. Yeah. It’s great. Um, one more little tidbit to note about this is that in 2023, Drew played a character with the same name in the Ew, how do they do it? Yeah. Yeah. In the Ew! skit on the Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon. Um, it’s really silly. Like, it doesn’t seem at all like the character. She’s just doing like a vaguely Swedish accent with that name. Um, if you haven’t seen that that skit of Jimmy like playing a teenage girl with braces and a blonde wig, you have to. It’s really funny. Yeah, we’ll link to this exact one. I remember when I first watched it, I was like, did he call her Bjergen Kjergen? But he like doesn’t pronounce it right, but if you turn on the subtitles, it actually say it. Yeah. So, so that’s just fun. We probably talked about this when it happened cuz I I cuz I remember us talking about I’m like, “Oh, 2023. We had the pod by then.” A good little Easter egg. Yeah. Okay, so next we have, and we also talked about this recently, the very strange independent, mildly released movie Inside the Gold Mine. So Drew plays a character named Daisy. She’s in a very short scene and she’s basically just like um it almost sounds like she’s in a cult and she’s trying to get the main character to like join up. like she meets him at a flea market and she’s like talking up. Oh no, you should come to our meetings or whatever. This is uh Daisy. Daisy. This is Emily. Emily Daisy, what were you just We should both come down. I mean, really, it would be great for both of you. Tell her about it. You just seem like you’re so much pain inside of you. What is it? It’s it’s a place and it’s just you it cleanses everything about you and you learn all these things and we do activities and you know, feel great. Daisy, call your dad. You’re in a cult. Yeah, exactly. Also, the name Daisy, how could that not be like she gave it to herself or a friend of hers gave it to her? Like, I mean, she’s wearing her own clothes. It This feels very improvised. Like, it’s almost like they’re like, “Hey, will you come in and you can do whatever you want at this?” Totally. I bet we could find this location, too, cuz of the way I’ve been very interested. It gives like such an LA look, right? Like, you just feel like I’ve driven past this or something. So much so. So much so. So, we don’t know like why she did this. Um, the only connection I could ever find was that the writer director was also at the premiere of the movie Sliver in 1993 where Drew was attending it and that was like probably close to this time and he also went to that with his girlfriend at the time, Natasha Gregson Wagner, who’s also in the film. And I’ve like randomly discovered that Natasha was at a lot of the same events as Drew in the early 90s. So, oh, I don’t know if that means anything, but it’s just like why those are the connections you’ve been able to make. Anything I can get any scrap to make it make sense because it’s supposed to be a horrible movie. I’ve never watched the whole thing. No, I have not either. I don’t think so. Um, part of me was like, do I need to watch all these movies to talk about the cameos? And it’s like, no, we can’t put ourselves through that. Just the 5-second scenes are good. Um, the last little thing to note about this is that she is, like I said, wearing her own shirt and she also wears it in the face magazine shoot. Um, it’s the March 1994 issue that she did with Ellen von Unworth and in the like magazine credits it says like shirt Drew’s own or something like that. We’ve also seen like from Drew’s personal photo archive a really cute picture of her wearing it. So, we love the wardrobe recycles and then when they end up in a movie it’s extra it’s extra cool. Yeah. Why is that in a weird way? I don’t know. It’s just fun. It’s just fun to trace it when like things cross over from her personal life to her professional life. It’s like, hey, that’s her. I have something to say about that in in a little bit, too. Something I feel like was very her own wardrobe. Oh, cool. Okay, so another cameo we’ve got is from 1996 on Bill Nye the Science Guy, the incredible science TV show, which if you’re not familiar with it, like Bill Nye is great. Um, anyway, she’s herself. The episode is called Flowers and she’s got her black hair. Oh my god. Dreamy, dreamy, dreamy. She’s so gorgeous. She’s so gorgeous. And I think it comes through even in the dialogue like it’s really cute. So, let’s uh let’s hear Oh. Oh, hi Drew. Oh, hi Bill. Wow, these flowers are such blur. Um, yeah. Oh, I’m serious. I mean, look at these daisies and sweet Williams their colors just screaming, “Look at me. Play with me. Come get my pollen. Come get my pollen. My intro to this was the clips that they interspersed in Biorhythm and that that’s the part that they showed. Play with me. Come get my pollen. So cute. Like I don’t even know what else we can say about it. I think it’s perfect that it’s the episode on flowers. Yes. I know. It’s so great. Um she looks lovely. Like if nothing else you’re if you’re not coming to the Cameo episode gallery page for anything, at least come see Bill Nye. It’s so cute. We just can’t get enough of the black hair. So true. Um, then a couple years later back on TV, she appeared on the Larry Sanders show in a 1998 episode called Putting the Gay Back in Litigation. It’s a really clever episode title. She plays herself and u basically the premise is the Larry Sanders Show is like a fictional talk show and it’s ending and so they have Drew do this little video for the host and um Jeffrey Tambour is filming it. He’s like the cameraman. And then he starts being really inappropriate and being like, “Okay, now it’s time to like lift up your top. Isn’t that your whole shtick?” Like with Letterman. And she gets pretty mad at him. So, show your tits. What? Well, you know, like you did on on on Letterman, you know, little whoop-doodle. What the [ ] are you talking about?
Cut, cut, cut. Um, I thought that was
like your stick, you know, like I do.
Hey, now.
You’re a pig.
Come on.
And I feel really sorry for you.
again, similar to something else that’s
coming up where she’s like, “What the
[ ] are you talking about?” One other thing I want to say about it is that I think she’s wearing her Otter Pops watch that uh I just read an article from 98 where she’s talking about it and she said that she had been on I think today, like the Today Show, talking about how she loved Otter Pops and then they sent this to her and it was like so meaningful to her. I think she wears it to the Kids Choice Awards in 98, too. That seems like it fits, too. She really liked it at this time. That’s adorable. That’s so adorable. It kind of looks like her own clothes, too, in this in a weird like 98 boring beige way. Totally. I agree. So, next is our second appearance of Drew as Fantasy Girl. Different film, skipped parts from the year 2000. Um, I don’t know what to say about this movie. I don’t really even know like what it was about or anything. That’s weird. Have you never seen it? I think I have, but I don’t remember it. Well, okay. So, it’s basically about like a teenage boy in the 60s, I think, who like decides he wants to have sex and it’s like all about that. But, um, he keeps having these fantasies of Drew, which is a little weird because she’s definitely way too old for him and Right. Um, but the scenes with her are so cute. like her styling the like 60s look is really really cute. Here’s a little clip of that. My mom won’t be home for another 20 minutes. Do you want to do me again? Sam Callahan has a real way with women. I want to have your baby. We all want to have your baby. So awkward. And I just I just love that Drew is fantasy girl again and she like once again has like voluminous blonde hair. Like there’s something so familiar. Yeah. And it’s like in a a young boy’s dream. Yeah. They’re very similar to Motorama. The film was directed by Tamara Davis who’s a good friend of Drew. She had lived with her at one point when she was a teen. Um she had directed Gun Crazy. She did the parts of Bad Girls that weren’t used unfortunately. Um and then she had directed Best Men. She later did an episode of Santa Clarita Diet also, which I totally blanked on. Like I love that. There’s a handful of like directors that she’d worked with before who did episode they brought in. Yeah, I think we’re going to have to get to that one pretty soon. I think so, too. But yeah, makes sense that Drew would do this as a favor for Tamara. And it’s really cute. Yeah, totally. Okay, next up. Freddy Got fingered. And I have a lot to say about this one that I kept like I’m like, “Oh, we’ll get to that. We’ll get to that.” So, this is from 2001. Drew plays Davidson’s receptionist, which uh Davidson is a character played by Anthony Michael Hall, and she works at this like animation studio, and she’s at the front desk just like she is in Wayne’s World, too. So, I think that’s like a fun little through line. Um, it was written and directed by her then partner Tom Green, in case for some reason you don’t know what Freddy Got Fingered is. Oh my god. Going through trying to find her clip. So, I was like scanning other parts of the movie. Yeah, it was a lot. That movie is rough. Yeah. If you don’t know Tom Green’s humor, you might not realize how awkward it probably is. Yeah. But the scene with Drew, so I finally found it. It’s free. The whole movie is free to watch on this website called Plex. I finally found the scene and the one with her is actually really cute. like, you know, he kind of breezes past the front desk cuz he’s trying to get I think like his drawings to this guy and she’s sort of falling down the hall like who are you? And he ends up telling her that that he has to find that guy because that guy’s wife died and she gets very upset and she’s really sad and then he tries to ask her out and then she’s again kind of like Larry Sanders. She’s like, “What the fuck?” Like and gets upset. So I just think it’s cute. You know, I think it’s wonderful when two people love one another and even though there’s always There’s a chance that one of those two people will die a gruesome, horrible death. That doesn’t make me fear love. I’m not afraid of love. Could I be your boyfriend? I love you. Get out of here. No, no, no. I’m just thinking I’m thinking a woman is dead. Linda is dead. I THOUGHT WE COULD GRIEVE together over the DEAD LINDA. OVER THE DEAD WOMAN. OVER THE WOMAN. OVER THE WOMAN. WE [ ] OFF. You’re a SKINNY LOSER. SOMEONE
CALL SECURITY. DON’T CALL THEM.
[ __ ]
Don’t call them. Okay, I got to go.
She’s really cute in it.
And were they They weren’t married yet,
but they were. Yeah.
But yeah, you can see her engagement
ring. It’s
Oh, you can. Okay. Um, anyway, she does
look super cute. And the other thing I
wanted to say about it was that I feel
like her outfit in this feels so doing
promotion for Charlie’s Angels from
How Do You Drew Episode 120 – Seventeen & Vogue, 1993
Please note that this transcription was automatically generated and may contain mistakes.
Hey Drewbies, before we start this
episode, we just wanted to say happy
holidays to all of you. We appreciate
you so much. We are not doing a
traditional Christmas episode this year,
but we do have Drew’s Christmas movies
that we’ve covered in the past that you
could go listen to.
We’ve covered Olive the Other Reindeer on episode
17 and we covered Babes in Toyland for
episode 65. So, we’ve explored the
movies that are kind of outright
Christmas movies. So, we hope you enjoy
Babes in Toyland Christmas movieish.
Santa sort of at the end.
So, yeah, revisit those and um merry
Christmas.
Yeah, merry Christmas, happy holidays,
and happy new year.
[Music]
How do you drew?
How do you drew?
[Applause]
[Music]
Hello and welcome to How Do You Drew?
This is a Drew Barrymore podcast brought
to you by the fans, friends, and
historians behind the DM. We’re drawing
on over 25 years of Drewbie expertise to
dive into all aspects of Drew’s world
from her personal life to her
professional career. Thanks to our
sponsors and friends at Positive Medium.
I’m an
and I’m Ashley. And this week we are
discussing two magazine features from
the year 1993.
Seventeen from May and Vogue from June.
Yes, we love doing these magazine
breakdowns. We love I think there some
of my favorites to do like maybe not
I think the movies end up being like the
best episodes but there’s so much more
work.
Yeah. And I think that the tidbits that
we get out of the magazines are cool or
like how we can make connections and you
can always you always do your like mini
deep dives. So we’ve got lots of little
tiny deep dives in every single one of
these magazine episodes including this
one.
Yeah. Um all right. So let’s get into
the top of the show before we start our
topic for the week. Um, we are starting
with a little tidbit, I guess, here, but
it’s sort of another thing that sort of
like puts a puzzle piece in, right?
It does. And you discovered this one.
It’s a video of Adam Sandler. I can’t
even remember where it was. It was on
Instagram or who he was talking to, but
he just kind of mentions I think they’re
asking him about like his favorite like
‘9s group or something or favorite
album, right? And he says, “Is it Holes
Live Through This?”
Uhhuh.
And so he says he remembers going
to a show of theirs in Missouri and you
found the date. It’s October 26th, 1994.
And he remembers seeing Drew come out on
stage during the show at some point. And
like we know that this would have
happened like a couple, you know, like
we know that she would be on tour with
Hole a lot in ’94.
Yeah, the timeline fits perfectly. Like
we didn’t know she was at this
particular show. We don’t have any
photos of it. Um, and I like cross
referenced Adam was doing like a comedy
show in Missouri that same day. So I was
like, “Yes, that’s satisfying.” Like,
um, but yeah, that’s kind of fun because
that was a few years before she even
started like sort of knocking on his
door like, “Hey, I think we need to work
together.” So, I kind of love that the
universe in such a weird place sort of
brought them together. Like, who even
knows if they talked? It didn’t really
sound like it.
No, it sounded like he was in the crowd.
He spotted her. like he mentions like
she was dating the guitarist at the time
and she just popped out. But I love that
and I love like
I don’t know that just that little like
he could have seen Drew Barry more at
that point in his life and then never
encountered her again.
Yeah.
But it ended up being this huge
relationship like you know. Anyway,
so fun little tidbit. I was very excited
by it. So thanks for finding and
sharing.
Yeah. Um all right. We have a very short
little list here for this week’s Drew
Loves, but let’s get into what she’s
proclaimed her love for recently.
I love love.
Okay. Yeah, very short. And I’m like I
have to credit that to the fact that
she’s barely on the Drew Barrymore show
these days as we’ve mentioned. And I’m
not kidding.
I mean, they should change it to the the
Rossy Ross show or Sunny Anderson show
or Valerie Bertinelli show.
It’s crazy. There was an episode
recently. She did a 30 second intro.
Then some of the other people did the
whole rest of the show and then the end
was like an old clip from like a couple
years ago and that was it. Yeah. Yeah.
It’s wild. We still haven’t gotten any
any answers on that, guys, but we’re
working.
We’re noticing with no answer.
Yeah. All right. But back to the fun
part. Drew loves she loves a workplace
dilemma. Oh, maybe that has something to
do with what’s going on. No, just
kidding. She loves to be convinced.
Okay.
And she loves a candle.
Cute.
She’s a fire starter.
Twisted fire starter. In fact,
you know.
All right. So, should we get into what’s
new with Drew now? Here we go with the
news, everybody. Yeah. We don’t have
much to say, but this is sweet and
great. Um, she is once again an
ambassador for St. Jude’s holiday
fundraising. Um, you know, she’s been
involved with them for years. Like I
feel like there were like hospital
visits and stuff like that that she’
done. But, um, this time around we have
a new photo in her shirt that says,
“This shirt saves lives.” I think they
like fundraised with that. And then
there’s also a new little commercial.
Well, she’s got like very um 2007 hair
going on. Like straight and parted down
the middle, right?
Yeah. It totally has like everybody’s
fine hair, right?
Oh, I was thinking more Yes. But I was
actually thinking more like music and
lyrics promo time.
Yeah.
For a little bit she did that. Yeah. So,
it’s like throwing me off because it
doesn’t look like it’s from now.
It’s It is kind of weird. Um the
commercial is really sweet. Of course,
there are like multiple clips of other
celebrities, but I like I like seeing
something new. I mean, obviously. Yeah,
of course. And then like just to go
along with all that, she also co-hosted
a gratitude celebration event at actress
Marlo Thomas’s house. And Marlo is the
national outreach director for St. Jude.
So, they had like some patients there
and um there’s not a lot of info of what
went on, but uh really nice that she’s
taking the time to do that.
Yeah, very much so. Um very cool. St.
Jude’s doing good work out there.
Yeah, I’ve donated to them. I’m sure I
will again this year because it’s just
like I like to do that in December.
Silly like you could do it at any point,
but you know, they’re like doing the
outreach so it’s like, oh yeah, let me
do that.
Of course, it’s that time of year.
Yeah.
[Music]
Okay, so totally changing gears. Should
we get into some 1993 magazines? Uh,
well, 93 guys was just so delicious that
we didn’t get enough of it last episode
in our year- end review.
I love delicious cuz that’s so true. And
also, I feel like we maybe like
underestimated just how delicious. I
don’t know.
Also, like going through these makes me
realize like, no, I don’t think I
underestimated it. I just always go like
94, 95 in my head.
That’s true. I would agree with that for
sure. Um, but 93 is beautiful. And we
talked about both of these magazines
briefly because their photos are pretty
pretty classic ones for Drew. Um, but
the articles are both very short but
really jam-packed with some fun info.
So, we’re like, you know what? We’ll
just do both of them because they’re
quickies and
just kind of use this as a companion
piece to our last episode.
Yes. And, you know, while you’re
listening to us talk about this, just
pretend you’re like holding the magazine
in your hand.
Do you know what a magazine feels like?
I actually have Hold on.
Oh, you’re next. You have the magazine.
Well, I meant to scan them today and I
didn’t get a chance, but I have the
papers.
Nice.
People, can you hear the magazines?
Yes. Because
I love paper.
Yeah.
Yes.
We love it.
Rubbing it all over ourselves. But I
just I just have to point out like the
physicality of this and that we’re
collectors and like that of course we
have these iconic pieces in our
collection.
Yeah.
I don’t know. It’s just think it’s just
fun because I just go back to like oh my
god when I got this. Not that I remember
the exact moment but like being in the
collection is like such a huge part of
our I don’t know our journey here.
Our Drew experience. I actually do
remember getting the Vogue one. Like I
remember exactly where I was. So yeah
that’s special. That’s so cool. Okay, so
let’s start with um 17 magazine from May
How Do You Drew Episode 119 – Year in Review: 1993
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[Music]
How do you drew
[Music]
How do you drew
[Music]
Hello and welcome to How Do You Drew
This is a Drew Barrymore podcast brought
to you by the fans, friends, and
historians behind thedrewseum.com
We’re drawing
on over 25 years of Drewbie expertise
to dive into all aspects of Drew’s
world, from her personal life to her
professional career
Thanks to our sponsor and friends at
Positive Medium
I’m an
and I’m Ashley
And this week we will be
discussing the year 1993 in Drew
Barrymore’s life and career
This is a fun one
Oo, we love 93 Drew
Yes, we do
And we’ve got some stuff at
the top, guys
So, let’s get into this
So, let’s start with a little oopsy
daisy
But the facts just came out to
us, guys
This is very This is a very
weird oopsy daisy, I got to say
It’s also a cosmic coincidence, I would
say
Yes, totally
So, the day before our
last episode aired,
which was about Drew’s romantic
relationship history, we had very
briefly touched on Rodney Harvey and we
said we had reason to believe that he
was involved with her romantically in
1989 based on what we’d uncovered doing
Little Girl Lost
So the day
before that episode comes out, Billy Bob
Thornton goes on the Drew Barrymore show
again and he was his first appearance on
Drew’s show was one of our reasons for
thinking Rodney and her were involved
So he once again told the story about
first meeting Drew on the set of the TV
show The Outsiders
because she was there visiting Rodney on
the set
And he was like
both times tiptoeing around it a little
bit, right
like, “Is it okay if I say
who you were visiting
And he’s
like, “Well, you you were dating him
“
And then he says, “Rodney Harvey
” And
she’s like, “Oh
” And she had a big
reaction like, “Oh, you know, cuz he’s
passed away
” And then she said, “No, we
were actually just friends
” And he’s
and Billy Bob’s like surprised
And he’s
like, “What
” Uh, like he’s almost gonna
argue with her
and he says something about like
something that happened at a party and
then she just said, “No, he was actually
dating my friend
” And he also said
like, “Well, he definitely wanted to be
with you
So, okay
I don’t This is almost like a
correction for our Patreon because we
pretty much identified Rodney as
somebody in the book and now I’m
thinking that could be incorrect
And it does sort of track with one
of the National Enquirer articles that
Rodney was actually dating Ellie Keats,
who was Drew’s friend and roommate at
the time in 1989
So, we don’t know
And
I I like how on the show Drew is like,
“Boys are so confusing
” Like as if as
she’s like, “I didn’t know he liked me
“
Something like that
But I also feel
like, okay, maybe it is true that he
dated Ellie Keats, but maybe it’s also
true that they did and she’s just like,
that’s true
Billy Bob seemed to have a
very clear idea of something that had
happened, which would make it seem like
they weren’t just
like, well, he wanted to be with you
I
gotta say, um,
he’s like, I saw you making out
No, I’m
just kidding
I do find it so interesting that this
has come up both times
like both times he’s been on and
and you’re right in the same kind of
like should I say who it is
Um yeah, so there’s a little oopsy daisy
but we’re
put an asterisk by Rodney’s name and you
know that’s probably all we’ll ever know
because Drew apparently does not think
they dated
So that changes literally
the episode we just released
God damn it, Drew
No, just kidding
How dare you
How dare you have facts
about in your brain about you that we
don’t have
what a weird what a weird like life that
we live that this is like
we’re like hot facts about 1989 and like
hot hot tips the tea about 1989 is 89
All right
So I guess we can move on to
things that Drew loved
She might have
loved Rodney
No, I’m just kidding
Let’s uh let’s hear what
Drew’s proclaimed her love for this this
uh past week
I love love
All right
Drew loves burgers
She loves when people are pulled
She always wants to know what the people
have to say, you know
She loves tartar sauce
Biscuits and gravy
The red, yellow, green flag game that
they see when they play that
Yeah, that
is a fun one
She loves chili oil
A Douglas
her little doggy
She loves storytelling
payoffs
I like that one
She loves a state fair
Theme parks
An ottoman
Apple juice
Rosemary
I love rosemary
And then,
similar to chili oil, she also loves
chili crisp
Should we go see what’s in
the mail
You’ve got mail
Yeah, we have some cool ones
We have a
new review on Apple Podcast
And before
we get to that, we’re going to mention
this
So, the film history podcast,
Verbal Diorama
Um I listened to her Donnie
Darko episode
So, it’s this um woman
named M
She’s from the UK and she is so
like I want to just like mention this
real quick
She’s so like clean and
snappy and like gives you this
information and she’s like telling you
everything
Boom boom boom
And it’s
really easy to follow and it’s fun to
listen to cuz normally I like um a
two person podcast
And she just
like gives you the info in such a great
way and her voice is so lovely
So shout
out to M for being great and her Donnie
Darko episode was so good
But she does a recommendation
in her newsletter for podcast of the
week and she chose us
A that’s so cool
Okay, so she said for her
podcast of the week, she said, “This is
where I recommend a podcast I’ve
listened to this week and an episode you
might enjoy
Speaking of legends, Drew
Barrymore is one of the Hollywood’s most
beloved of all legends and I’m a huge
fan of quote my girl Drew unquote
“
Slightly bigger fans of Drew are Ann and
Ashley
So much so they have a whole
podcast dedicated to Drew Barrymore
How
do you Drew
They
also have a kick-ass podcast episode on
one of my personal favorites, Charlie’s
Angels 2000, which is celebrating its
25th anniversary this year
She said,
“Anne and Ashley also run the Drew, the
internet’s longest running Drew
Barrymore fan site
They have over 25
years of Drewbie expertise, and they’ve
even met the delightful Miss Barrymore
in person
” That’s some serious
credentials for any podcast
I like that
little line
Yeah, me too
And then this this fun little end
She
said, “If you want something new and you
too love Drew, this podcast and its crew
is for you
” It’s true
like like new jingle
Do we need like
this podcast
for you
That was That was terrible
Thank you so much
Verbal diorama
Go
check them out
Thank you, M
That was really sweet
We
We love a little shout out and a
recognition of the work that was done
Like that’s really Thank you
And then, as I mentioned, we also
have a new Apple podcast review
Thank
you so much
This is from Staceface
McGee
Could be my friend Stacy from
Blockbuster Wives
I have a feeling
Uh
the title is best Drew podcast there is
And Staceface writes, “These drewbies
really know their stuff and pour hours
of research into every episode
Plus,
they are also so hilarious and fun
“
Thank you, Staceace McGee
And we love an Apple podcast review
So,
yes, we do
We were way overdue
This is your cue for a review
M, look what you started
You have turned us into rhyming
monsters
There’s a verbal diorama
happening over here
Okay, so um let’s go back in time for
this week in Drew history
Okay, you know I love talking about
these awards in December 5th, 1987
in a sequence of years that Drew
attended the youth and film awards
And
I just find these like endlessly
fascinating
There’s just something
about 80s child stars that is just
it’s crazy
And like the people that
like they’re all people we recognize and
know even today
I was they still do
these awards
Did you know that
No, I was just going to say like I
wonder if this is still a thing
Yeah, they’ve rebranded but I was
looking at like the last one that had a
list of all the like nominees and I
literally didn’t know a single name
So, it’s not what it was and that’s
probably good
Child stardom is not a
positive thing
I think there’s just so
much content that it’s hard to have like
stars as big as there were at a certain
time, right
Like this is Yeah
the 80s
pinnacle
So, these were held at the
Hollywood Palladium and they were hosted
by Chad Allen and Patrick Dempsey, which
I thought was kind of fun because later
on Drew would be such good friends with
his wife Jillian
Yeah, that is funny
Drew was nominated
for best young female superstar in
television for Babes in Toyland because
I guess technically that’s considered
television but she lost to Alyssa Milano
and she was pictured with her peers
there like Wil Wheaton, Corey Haim,
Amanda Peterson
There is a picture of
her with Lala Sloatman and Donovan
Leitch
And I found that interesting
because they were both like from the
Zappa House crew that we just kind of
like found out in the last year that
Drew spent a lot of time there in this
year 87
So I just thought that was very
like validating to see
You’re like, “Oh, this is like
evidence
“
Totally
evidence of this
And I feel like, you know, this is
1987
It’s such an awkward time for her,
but she does look really cute
is like
just very plain black dress but like
kind of adult
Yeah, she’s definitely trying to look a
little like more grown up
She’s got her
little string of pearls
She still have her braces
It’s hard to
tell, but yeah, it is so fun
And also
that she was nominated for Babes in Toy
Land is so I know that movie
that’s comical, right
Just if you guys haven’t seen it,
Christmas is coming
Give yourself a
little gift and watch Babes in Toy Land
And then come back and listen to our
episode laughing about it
I think what
she told when Keanu Reeves was on, I
think she called it that that
masterpiece, Babes in Toilet
Oh my god
It’s good stuff
So, I guess we can come back to the
present for a minute before we go back
in time again
We’re always jumping around
Let’s talk about what’s new with
Drew
Here we go with the news, everybody
Okay, so we have a new MSC Cruise Line
commercial coming because Drew was
spotted filming one with Orlando Bloom
actually on the ship in the Bahamas
Um,
so maybe another Super Bowl ad
Like the
timing could work out for that
That
would be a good guess
Um,
I bet you’re right
We’ll see what that’s like
And then the only other thing is that
Hollywood Squares has an official
premiere date for season 2 and that will
be on January 7th, 2026
Looking forward to that
We’ve really
enjoyed this show
If you guys haven’t
heard us, like love on it
Like really
exciting
I was kind of bummed to see
that they used a promo photo from the
previous season, but
same you know me with like reusing
photos
And of course, we’re excited to see
how cute her outfits are cuz every
season they’ve had such fun with her
fashion
So like
Yeah
Her outfits and her hairstyles are
always different
It’s going to be
really fun
Have we had any like peaks of that
Like
very small
There’s been like maybe a
couple pictures
So, it’s going to
be a lot of new excitement
And I also really liked when they would
do that little speed round where they’d
have a fact about everybody, but we
would I would like collect them all and
we do it
I’m excited to do that again
Yeah, me too
They always had
some fun little like things that even if
they didn’t trip us up, it’s like that’s
a good one for something to trip
somebody else about
Drew,
a non-expert
Like wasn’t one of them like she hates
yoga which
Yeah
All right, so um I guess
we’re ready to go back in time again
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All right, so shall we jump into our
weekly topic of 1993
Ah, this is a good one
Like we’ve I
feel like we’ve definitely done 92, 94,
95, 96
Like we need to get 93 in here
Sometimes that happens, guys
We’re just
like going with our heart on what topic
we we discuss
Which is funny because like most of the
time we do things so like perfectly
chronologically like we want everything
organized just right
But like with the
podcast, no, we’re just like whatever we
feel
Imagine if we had like started
from birth and we were just like going
through chronological
No,
that wouldn’t be nearly as fun
So, if you haven’t listened
to the ones that bookend this, go ahead
and check those out
But, uh, let’s let’s jump in and set the
scene for this year because there are a
couple We like to kind of give like the
this is what she’s going through
This
is how she’s going into the year, right
So, we’re just off of Drew’s like
really big comeback year of 1992 where
she starred in the movie Poison Ivy,
which was released that year, and she
had received a Golden Globe nomination
for Gun Crazy
So, like big stuff
She’s
coming back and she’d been receiving
like quite a bit of media attention
because just a couple years ago, you
know, she released Little Girl Lost
So,
like she’s still on her way up from
that
And it’s kind of crazy
It’s only
like two, three years
Still on her way up from that
also like finally even getting parts
Like for a while it was like get out of
here rehab girl
Like we’re not even
going to consider you
So it’s a big
deal
Like you’re trouble no matter what
But she’s Yeah
She’s getting like
respected again, right
Like people are
recognizing that she’s she’s
not messing around
It’s
the first Renaissance
She’d also just suffered a really
painful breakup from Jamie Walters
Again, we mentioned it in our last
episode
They’d been briefly engaged and
she had just wrapped up shooting the Amy
Fischer story in Vancouver and those
things kind of coincided like he broke
up with her before right before she came
back to LA from that
So she as far as
like that stuff goes she was like in a
lot of pain with that
And um we already mentioned it
Make sure you listen to episode 1992 to
kind of lead up to this moment
Um Drew
had also turned 18 at the beginning of
1993
So officially an adult despite all
the stuff that she’d gone through that
would like make her like 20 years older
than she actually is
And for her 18th birthday, she said she
had celebrated by playing mini golf with
a small group of friends, which I love
that cuz it feels like what she would do
now, you know
Like that it would be
mini golf, but it would be like her
friends like
surrounding herself in people who make
her feel safe
I don’t know
And this is also like I think
that’s a great like symbol of just how
she was really into simple living at
this time like doing simple things
She
was not going out to on the town anymore
cuz even like post-rehab you know she’s
still like being seen at all these clubs
in LA in 1990
Like she’s still doing
that lifestyle and now she’s like
scaling back and staying home
I wonder
if there’s part of her that felt like
she didn’t need to like be at the events
because she’s like I don’t know
Do you
think part of that going to events was
her like making herself visible like I’m
here again
I don’t know
So maybe she’s
like comfortable like I don’t have to
try so hard
I don’t know
But also Yeah
There’s that part of her that just wants
to like
I don’t know settle down
Probably
and she’d been trying to do that
with Jamie Walters, but uh didn’t work
out
So, she moved out of the house that
they shared because they were, you know,
it was too painful for her
And she
moved in with her friend Justine
Baddeley, who is still her good friend to
this day
Um she’s done casting for a
bunch of Flower Films projects
So, they
moved in together to an apartment and
then later into a house that she bought
with the money from guests, which
happens this year
We’ll talk about in a
minute
And we don’t have the details on
that yet, but we might be uncovering
some interesting information about this
house
Yeah,
put a pin in that
So, also kind of uh part of the
little tidbits about this year, Drew
drove a black Bronco with a daisy
sticker on the back of it
And there’s a
fun chapter about this this car and like
a moment with this car in Wildflower
kind of shows her like spunk at that
time
If you haven’t read it,
make sure you check that out or uh
eventually we’ll be going over
Wildflower on uh Patreon
So, we’ll be talking more about that
Bronco one day
I’m excited to do that
And you kind of mentioned this like
slowing down
So, she was like she was
kind of talking about how she was
spending most of her time at home with
her friends and she’s like making art,
cooking dinner, watching Melrose Place
indoor kid
kind of like probably the
first time in her life she was just sort
of being like a normal simple person,
you know,
right
Which probably felt really novel to her
I just can’t help but think it has to do
partly with like maybe the hustle was a
little bit less, you know
I think that’s a great great
observation
Should we get into her look a little bit
because this is a beautiful year
So
Drew had short blonde hair this year
Really short
not pixie short, but like
just past her chin
And she kind of
alternated between having it
straightened and then having it really
curly, like almost into the woo woo
bouncy that we would see the following
year,
right
Um her style kind of ranged between
baggy men’s wear and then also like
these glam sort of dresses with pearls
depending on what sort of event she was
going to
She actually didn’t go to very
many events this year, which is why
we’re doing this
Uh sometimes we do our
year and new reviews like in January she
did this, in February she did this
But
these years where she’s kind of hidden
away, we have to do a little
differently
A little differently
So it’s not like
she did nothing for these months
And
I love the juxtaposition of this like men’s
wear glam
Like it also I feel like
she’s always kind of done that
She
always likes to be
She still does that
You know, it’s like she has these
like extremes that she’s sort of willing
to be part of her public image like
Yeah
She’s a chameleon, right
Well, always
So, I love it
I love I love the
pictures you have in our notes
Just
like seeing the side by side of like
total glam like literally with the
pearls, which I feel like is I don’t
know
So pretty
I love it
So many good like fun looks
too, just candid-wise
And I mean, we’ll get into it, but
like this is the year she filmed Bad
Girls, which to me ranks as her one of
her most beautiful she’s ever looked
So
like she was just stunning this year
Um, and then this the last thing about
what she looked like
She had five
tattoos at this time
This was the final
year without her butterfly on her belly
because we know she got that sometime,
we’re gonna say in early 1994 because
she doesn’t have it in the guest photos,
but she does have it by the time Bad
Girls comes out in ’94,
right
And it’s significant because that
feels like something that’s so probably
because there was so much like burying
her skin like in the coming years that
we really
baring baring the baring Barrymore um
that we really like the butterfly was so
part of her look after
So I
absolutely
and also what five tattoos at the time
and what’s the count now
Oh man, what are we up to
I think
it is 14 because I think she said 14 too
early and then she got her 14th
Typical Drew
In her mind, she already had it maybe
Anyway, let’s get back to 1993
So,
relationships, we we touched on this a
little bit
Our last episode was all
about it, but let’s just touch on it
So, we mentioned that she was like fresh
off this breakup from Jamie Walters,
which when we did our rep episode about
relationships, like this may have been
like the first like real heartbreak that
Drew had
Um, and she stayed single
throughout this whole year, at least
like what we understand in the public
eye
Um,
until Billy Bob Thornton comes on, she
tells something else different that
messes us up
No, just kidding
Just a friend
Um, so then, uh, we also
know that Drew initially met Eric
Erlandson in late 1993, but their
relationship didn’t begin until summer
of the following year
So, we kind of
know that there was at least some kind
of uh
the mac and cheese vomit had occurred
and and that laid the groundwork
If you don’t know what
we’re talking about, make sure you
listen to the relationships episode
I’m
sure we’ve mentioned this many times
Hopefully, a lot of you are
So many episodes we have about the them
meeting
So, let’s get into her
career
So, it’s funny because this feels
like a quiet year until you really start
digging into it
So, Drew filmed two things in 1993
The
first is Wayne’s World 2
So, she just
has a very small cameo, and we we’ll do
an episode about all her cameos pretty
soon, so maybe we’ll get more into this
But
they filmed sometime in summer of 93
I
have to imagine she only needed to be
there for the good day, right
Like,
she’s literally in a five minute scene
Not even three minutes, two minutes
It’s so short
I don’t know
You could
pull up the YouTube clip of the whole
thing
I think it is like three minutes,
right
Um, and we recently dug into this
I
don’t remember why you asked if we
I don’t remember
I feel like I told I
told my partner that she was in Wayne’s
World, too
And he’s like, “Why
” And
what I said what I said to him was,
“Well, she’s a big star
” And then I was
like, “Well, at that time,
yeah,
like her star was kind of Anyway
What did you find out
Knowing me, research girl, once an idea
is in my head
I can’t let it go
I was
like, I wonder if the DVD has any
information
So, I throw the DVD
on with the commentary and the
commentary was just kind of like, oh,
there’s Drew Barrymore
She’s so
beautiful
And I was like, oh,
that’s not helpful
Then I threw on like
one of the um featurettes on the DVD and
Lauren Michaels comes on and he says
that he really wanted Drew in the film
because he was a big fan and he didn’t
think that they could get her which is
so interesting cuz like yeah that’s
wild
But then he credits Mike Meyers
and his then wife Robin with quote
unquote solving that
So I guess they asked her to be in it
I
mean as if she would say no to that
I
can’t even imagine a world at which 93
Drew would say no to being in Wayne’s
world too,
right
Like it feels like ex like she’d
be like, “Oh my god, hell yes
” I also
love to imagine that she got a charming
call from like Mike Myers
Like she
would call other people to try to get
them to like her films
She’s like,
“One day I’m going to do this
That’s a great idea
” Mike Myers and
Robin
Um, but yeah, I uh I love that we
have that just that little bit of info
that like it was Lauren that was pulling
for it
Like that’s so cool
Um, and then she also,
you mentioned this, but she filmed Bad
Girls this year
Just to give a little
bit of info about this, um, it was
originally, it originally started to
film in early July of this year, 1993,
with Tamara Davis directing and a
totally different script than what ended
up kind of coming out of this movie
After three weeks of filming, a new
director was brought in, Jonathan
Kaplan,
uh, to start from scratch and rewrite
the whole script
It’s crazy
Um, and the actresses were sent
to the what they called cowboy camp uh
before filming resumed in late August
and then they finished filming in
November
I’m so curious
I would love
to see anything that was filmed before
they changed it
What would that be
It’s kind of I’m sure it had
such a different vibe from everything
that we know
Like
whenever we want to actually like it’s
not one of my favorite movies
whenever
we want to sit down and actually do an
episode
There’s so much like dirt
behind the scenes of that one
Like even
just to get this timeline locked in
I
was like searching newspaper archives
and like figuring out like when did
things happen and cuz Drew will
sometimes make it sound like she filmed
that movie for seven months, which it
might have felt like that at the time,
but this is pretty like I feel good
about these dates
This like kind of definitive sort of
end
I love that you mentioned
like this year is busier because what
let’s talk about all the things that
were released
If I was just going off top of my head,
I would say two movies, maybe three,
came out in 93, but it’s actually a lot
more than that, you guys
It’s kind of weird
Again, thank God for newspapers
com and
Lindsay Blake for letting me have access
to her account
Thank you, Lindsay
Also, I’m just going
to say before we even get in, three
things came out in January
Okay, so the very first one is of
course the Amy Fischer story
I
know that came out that year,
right
So it aired on ABC in on January 3rd and
there were dueling Amy Fisher movies at
this time
There were three of them alto
together and Drews ended up being the
highest rated
So and it was also like
some people said it was the best one
Like it was definitely like the winner
of this little race that these networks
were having
So wild to imagine
Also the like turnaround time for
that
Like I feel like they filmed it
and it came out like a month later or
something
And when did this thing like the actual
thing happened with Amy Fisher
It was
like the year before, right
Oh yeah, for sure
It was May 19th of
’92
So literally within less than six
months
They would have been filming this
like probably like 3 4 months
after that happened
Oh my god
Just so weird to think about
Um, if you guys want to hear us talk
about this one more, we have a really
fun episode with our friends from Movies
That Made Us Gay
Um, it was from the
end of 2023
It was
Well, you’re exactly right because it
would came out December 5th of 2023
It’s our episode 63 if you want to check
that out
So almost two years ago
we did that episode
Like that’s so
wild
It’s a very fun one
And uh Pete from
movies that made us gay like really
remembers this time period with the AA
Fisher stuff
So he was like a really
fun resource for all of that
And of course we get into a lot
of the nitty-gritty
So if you want to
hear more about that
Um also released in 1993 was Motorama
Um, Motorama Gus
Gus,
basically a cameo, right
Like
Oh, yeah
So, it was extremely limited
release January 13th of 1993 in
theaters
Like, we didn’t even know it
was in theaters, right
Definitely thought it was a straight to
video,
right
And it had been filmed in late
1990, early 91
So, it took quite a bit
took a bit of time to come out
Always a bad sign,
right
I don’t even really remember
anything about the film
Yeah, I watched
the whole thing once, but she’s
beautiful in it
She’s a fantasy girl
She’s standing on the beach calling out
to the main character in his dream
You haven’t won yet
That’s pretty much it
Um, so this is kind of an interesting
one
So, as we mentioned, Gun Crazy had
come out the year before on Showtime,
but they ended up doing a limited
theatrical release starting in LA on
January 20th, 93, and later then
expanded to nine other theaters
throughout the country
And I don’t know
like were they going for like some sort
of like to be eligible for Oscars
I
don’t know like what the thought was
there
Probably,
but um that’s very unusual for that to
happen
And so it feels notable like
even though it had come out the year
before, I feel like we should include it
in this list of things released in 93
I feel like it has to do something with
the fact that it was getting awards
chatter
Like I’m trying to think of the
but I can’t think of what it is, but it
was getting like there was excitement
around it and her performance
So I’m
not surprised that like whoever’s
decision it was the studio was like put
it out there
Um but I bet you’re right
We
also have No Place to Hide which was
released in on April 16th of 1993 in
theaters again
Can’t believe it
I thought that was a
straight to video for sure
And this one also had been filmed
almost three years before in summer of
1990 under the name Temporary
It’s weird like I almost wonder were
they trying to capitalize on Drew’s like
newfound success by suddenly
releasing everything
like they’re
holding on to this movie for three years
and then all a sudden, oh, Drew
Barrymore is like suddenly like a name
that people might be interested in
Let’s go ahead and put this out
Maybe they had a hard time releasing
them
Yeah, that too
But I also like I feel
bad for her that like these weird little
things she did when she was just trying
to like get some work are then coming
out,
right
Doesn’t really feel fair
No, it doesn’t
But maybe that’s one of
the reasons why the Renaissance was so
much of a renaissance is like suddenly
all the stuff that like had been like in
waiting backlogged
Suddenly it was just like flooding the
media
Like that’s amazing
Because it continues
Um then we
have Doppelganger
That was a direct
video
It was released on May 26 of 93
Um and had been filmed only the year
prior
And we have a really fun episode
about that one, too, if you guys want to
hear it
Because, as Drew famously said,
you’d rather stick pins in your eyes
than watch that movie
But if you want
to hear us talk about, check out episode
90
We also have this documentary that I
think we only found out about like last
year or something
I feel like it was
really um she does a small voice
narration in a documentary called Roots
of Row and it aired on TV on November
29th of 1993
So, it’s again, it’s
another small thing, but notable because
yet another thing that came out in 1993
And then, uh, Wayne’s World 2, like talk
about a quick turnaround, came out on
December 10th
So, they’d only been
filming it over the summer and then it
comes out in December
This is
like just what a world
Um, and of
course, Drew’s small cameo as Bjergan
Kjergan made quite a big impression and
it kind of like furthered along this sex
symbol status that she was having at
this time very intentionally on her
part, right
Um, I feel like there’s a lot I always
see comments like this was like a sexual
awakening for people, her little part in
this scene
I mean, she is she’s beautiful
Beautiful
The way they dressed her up
for this like very quick cameo,
the like crocheted top so perfectly
early 90s in the best way possible
She’s so good
She’s stunning
We’ve already talked
about how beautiful she is
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Um, okay
So now let’s get into some of
the TV and event appearances
I’m sure
many of them are around promoting all
this various stuff, right
Maybe not promoting Motorama, but
some of the things that we mentioned
So, um, in January, so here we are at
the beginning of the year kind of going
through chronologically these events
Um, so January 20th, she appeared on the
Arsenal Hall show where she discussed
Amy Fischer, her difficulties of fame,
her breakup with Jamie, and the movie
Gun Crazy
I don’t know if I’ve even
seen this appearance
This was a very new find like within the
last few months that this like surfaced
and we will link to it on the episode
page
It’s really cute
Again, she’s
doing the like baggy men’s wear kind of
look for this and love it
It’s just it’s just so good
God, Drew,
why are you so cute
This one little
picture in our notes
I’m like, she’s
really cute
Yeah, that’s why I was
like, I don’t recognize this
Yeah, go watch it
Just a few days after
that, she attended the Golden Globe
Awards
So, she had been nominated for
best performance by an actress in a
limited series anthology series or
motion picture made for television
Is
that a long enough title for you
That’s too much
For the movie Gun Crazy
And that was a
big deal for her
Like this is she’s not
award showgirl like you know her one
award was the youth and film awards from
82 and being Yeah
being recognized for
this, not even just being recognized,
being recognized for this movie, which
she was so passionate about, but also
like during this comeback time, like
she’s blacklisted a couple years before
and now she’s got a Golden Globe
nomination,
right
Um, so we have a quick little clip of
her on our just discussing that
nomination
I’m so honored and grateful
I mean, I’m
up
I’m put in the category with
Katherine Hepburn,
Jessica Lange,
hello
Uh, Kyra Sedwick, and Laura Dern
It’s
all five of us in in the um little
thing
And um I mean to be put with
those women
is the biggest honor in itself
I don’t
really care if I win
It’d be nice, but
um it’s just so flattering and it makes
me feel so good and proud
A
I know
And also the fact that she was
nominated alongside Jessica Lang
Isn’t that weird
Who she ended up beating out when they
were nominated for Great Gardens
Kind of strange, huh
It’s It’s just wild to think of like she
probably would have never imagined she
would be like working alongside that
person when she said this person’s name
Oh, that’s true
Um, she did end up
losing to Laura Durn, but still so cool
that and so she’s there and she’s, you
know, very glam that night
I saw like
some newspaper thing that gave her like
the best hair of the night
Um, so they called it like a Sharon
Stone dew
She does have like
very nice blonde kind of slicked back
flippy hair and pearl choker and just a
simple black dress
Um, and then we also
know that she presented an award because
we have a random screen grab from
something
Um, but can’t find any
details of what award that was or who
she’s presenting with
I don’t recognize
the guy in this horrible quality
picture
Yeah, I don’t feel like I do either, but
he looks sort of like the guy who plays
um Richard on Sex in the City
Oh, he’s in Boys on the Side
Doesn’t it look like him
Yeah, maybe
We should put this picture in the
gallery and if anybody recognizes who
this might be, let us know
There we go
I tried to look into it and after a
while I was like, this is really a waste
of my time
There were so many of the
like awards on YouTube and like that one
was not there
Like so annoying
I went through all every single one of
them
Um on February 1st, uh Drew
attended the CFDA fashion awards which
stands for Council of Fashion Designers
of America
She attended with the
photographer Matthew Rolston
Looking
super glam again
I I like I love her
look here with the like bright red lips
She looks beautiful
It’s like a perfect red
It’s also fun
that like fun air quotes fun her and
Matthew are like holding cigarettes and
cigarette packs in like all the
pictures,
right
Always got to have the cigarettes on the
red carpet
Always was an accessory that she had at
all times
for quite a while
Um then on May
19th she attended the premiere of the
movie Sliver starring the
aforementioned Sharon Stone and once
again Matthew Ralston came with her to
that
Uh she worked with him so many
times in the early 90s and so it’s not
like a surprise that they were friends
and hanging out,
right
He’s probably part of her early gay guy
crew
probably
Um and Drew wore a pretty like iconic
look to this one
She had the round blue
lens sunglasses and a Mickey Mouse
backpack
And I just feel like people
always remember this one
And she’s also got like one
of the like probably hemp chokers like
on her neck like
Yeah
Little Daisy Hemp
Speaking of clippings, I feel like
we have like tons and tons of clippings
of this look
Yeah, for sure
I mean, this is like one
of the only maybe the only movie
premiere she attended this year, I
think
which is funny because she had so
many released
Um but she is asked on the red carpet
about what she thinks about Sharon Stone
breaking ground for other actresses
I think she’s definitely opening
up new doors for people to like I mean I
think she’s really outspoken and I
really respect that about her and I
think the more power to her, you know,
so I’m excited
I mean she knows Sharon Stone from
Irreconcilable Differences
I think that
was Sharon’s like debut
Oh
yeah
So that’s kind of cool
And Sharon
was at the Poison Ivy premiere, I feel
like, in support of Drew
So, yeah,
really cute
That is really sweet
Okay, so now we get on to September
13th
Drew was on literally the first
episode of Late Night with Conan
O’Brien, which is always so cool
Like,
I know
I love that little nugget
I
feel like she never mentions that
Like,
she should really like brag about that
out of it
Um, and once again,
Lauren Michaels seems to have been
responsible for this, so that’s really
cool to know, too
Like, how did we find
that out
I feel like she might say it
in the appearance
Or she said it at some other point at
some point
I remember that fact and
you’re just going to have to trust my
memory on that
It makes sense, right
I mean,
yeah
So, she flew in from the Bad Girls set
specifically to appear on the show
Um,
she discusses Amy Fischer and the guest
campaign on the episode
I just have to
say really quickly about her look
She’s
got like this red sort of like
Chinese appropriation dress, but it also
feels like from like the ‘9s into like
the 2000s like
those just
right silky Chinese dresses
Yeah,
she looks beautiful
And we’ve got her
like basically bouncy woo woo woo woo
woo bouncy hair going on here
Um I love it
Gorgeous
And and it’s so I mean if any
of you know like Con O’Brien’s show I
feel like it’s like the awkwardness of
what that was intentionally but like
times 20
like literally the first episode but I
love it like Conan’s great on the first
episode of his show
It’s true
It’s super funny
He had been writing for Saturday Night
Live forever
So
yeah I think Yeah
But if you guys
haven’t for some reason seen this
there’s two versions on YouTube
If you
want we could link to both of those
Um,
like there’s the official one that his
company or his brand put out, but then
there’s a longer one from our friends at
Drew Barrymore Daisy that has a little
bit extra of Drew
Check it out
Thanks very much for coming on my first
show
Thank you for having me
It was a real
honor
Thank you
All right
Okay, so then we
get to December 8th, the Billboard Music
Awards
So Drew was basically like kind
of urged into doing this by her
publicist or whoever because she is
really like I just want to stay home at
this point in her life
Um but she
agreed to go and so she presents the
award for the number one rock artist and
she does it alongside Mike Myers and
Dana Carvey
So, obviously this is also
kind of like a Wayne’s World 2 promo,
but their section was pre-taped and so
it’s actually it’s like they make a
comedy out of the fact that it’s
pre-taped cuz they’re like asking Drew
questions and then there’s like awkward
pauses and then they’re like pretending
to respond
It’s it’s pretty cute
We’ll
definitely link to that
Um we and then
she presents the award to Aerosmith
So,
let’s hear that
Absolutely
Live from London’s Hard Rock
Cafe, here is Billboard’s number one
rock artist of the year, Aerosmith
Aerosmith
It’s also like she trips over her words
when she first starts introducing it and
she’s like, “Of course
” Like, you can
just hear her brain like, “Why can’t you
ever be cool
“
I love it
That’s why we love you, Drew
We We need you to be you at all times,
and you are you at all times
Um, the funny thing about this one, and
oh, I guess we didn’t talk about her
look, but she has like a silky white
long dress on, and this is where her
like 94 curls are starting to really
show up
Um, but so the next day, rumors came out
about her dating Billy Idol supposedly
and about her having her quote down
there pierced
So then she was just
like, I’m swearing off going to events
And the quote that she gave to movie
line was, “I’m like that’s it
No more favors
No more nothing
I am
never going out again
” And as we
reported in our year in review 94, she
literally didn’t go to any public events
that whole year
So, she really meant
she meant it
Yeah, she meant it
Um,
all right
So, some more fun from this
year
Of course, every year the photo
shoots
1990s photo shoots,
right
and we’re talking about things
that were released in 1983
She did a
lot more photo shoots that year that
maybe didn’t come out till the next
year
Um, but yeah, you can listen to
episode 104 talking about more of the
ones that probably were shot this year,
but this is how we do this
Yeah, it’s kind of like ah it’s that
thing of like I kind of want to mention
that she has her first photo shoot with
Mark Seliger this year, but like it
didn’t come out until 94
So, we’re just
talking about the releases of 93
So, let’s um first
just talk about GQ, which was released
in March
Um it was not a cover feature
It was an inside feature only um
photographed by Jeffrey Thurnher
Um and I’m
I mean I like this
I like some of this
Yeah, same
Not a huge fan of her hair
No, it’s very 92 hair
I’m certain it
was done in ’92 because if it came out
if it’s a March issue, it came out in
February, which means like there’s no
way they did it fast enough back then
Um, so I feel like my
favorite of the shoot probably the stuff
on the beach
Those are the ones I love
But the
ones in the black bra on the sidewalk
smoking a cigarette are the ones that
like get shared all the time
What’s What’s the word like
They
are
oversaturated
Over I mean, yeah, the the market has
been oversaturated with those pictures
I mean, yeah, she’s she’s in a bra and
she’s looks sexy and she’s got a
cigarette in her mouth
So, of course,
like
that’s going to attract some people,
right
It’s very on brand for the bad girl
Drew,
right
Um, then for the New York Times
for their March 7th issue, they did a
little article about her and the
photographs were done by Mojgan B. Azimi
Sorry if I butchered that
Um, these are
really cool where she has like a really
cute daisy choker necklace and she just
she just kind of looks like a badass in
these
But beautiful
And I I think I feel like she just
I was going to say I feel like she like
dressed herself for them
Something
about them feels like casual
I totally
agree
Um, yeah, I do love them
And again, if you guys are like, ah, I
want to see, we always have an episode
page with the links and the gallery
So,
photos that we’re talking about, you can
check them all out on the howdoyoudrew
You cannot do it justice without the
visual
The visual, you got to see it
Um, more beauty here from 17 magazine
A
cover feature, the first cover feature
of this year released in May
Um, she
was photographed by the aforementioned
Matthew Rolston at a place called Caffe
Tiesto or Tiesto
That’s how you say that,
I think, in in San Francisco
Um, these
pictures are so cool
She has a very
Marilynesque Marilyn Monroeesque feel to
her, like the way they did her hair
Um, I love that she’s got like multiple
different outfits and like almost like
feels like she’s playing different
characters in the different pictures
Um, almost all actually looks like all
the ones that are inside the magazine
are either black and white or sepia
tone, which is also like interesting for
17 magazine
I know these feel very high fashion for
17, right
I was just thinking like where would I
maybe expect these to be like I don’t
know, not 17
More something a little
more adult
Um, and the cover is
great, too
I mean,
they’re beautiful
You got to see these if you haven’t seen
them
I also feel like this was sort of
like giving her an opportunity to be
presented as something opposite as not
the bad girl in the black bra and the
cigarettes
Cuz she looks more classy
She looks Yeah
classy and like adult
They’re great
Um but then we go
back to a little bit more fun bad girl
looks for details from the June issue
We covered this in our episode 38 and
it’s one of our most popular episodes
It’s a really good article
So, I don’t
know if that’s has something to do with
it, but um yeah, it’s definitely worth
taking a listen to, but she is on the
cover for this one with the word sex
written across her upside down laying on
the floor legs
So, you know, that’s a
little bit more in line with this time
period
But I love these photos
There’s
only a couple of them
They’re all black
and white, but uh again, badass and
beautiful
And the photographer is Albert
Watson
These are really cool
Particularly like
the um leopard print one
I feel like
the one where she’s wearing the leopard
print jacket and she’s at like a cafe
counter
Just crazy stunning
And then of course she just looks so
cool smoking
So this one of her wearing
like skull and crossbones
It’s also funny there’s one of her
driving and then in a couple more shoots
there’s another photo of her driving
I
always remember that being like that’s
so interesting
That was funny
I don’t think I’ve ever
really thought about that, but it is
really funny
It’s like that Bronco energy or
something
She’s bringing the Bronco energy
She does look ready to drive through a
gate in that in the one from details
Maybe they just took the photo when that
was happening
cuz I feel like I thought Well, we’ll
get to the the dirt one in a minute, but
like I feel like I always thought she
looks like she’s driving like a bus in
the dirt
The way her hands I don’t I
don’t know what it I don’t know what it
is
Anyway, um before we get to dirt
though, let’s talk about Vogue, which
was released in June
Not a cover, but
so many amazing pictures
And I have to imagine this was
such a big deal for her
Oh my gosh
Like I mean I’ve like come across in my
research just the fact that like she
couldn’t even like to get her on the
cover of Vogue was like a really big
deal and that didn’t happen till 2005
So right
like this is major
It was the first time she
worked with the incredible photographer
Ellen von Unwerth
We’ve got a whole
episode talking about their
collaborations
Um, they’ve
done some incredible work together
Some
of our favorite all time
And
just in this shoot alone, I mean, I’m
just looking at this little sample
Are
there eight
Are these all full pages
I
feel like they are
Um, I think the only one that isn’t is
the very first one
It’s like half a
page
God, they are just so incredible
Like,
how do we even summarize
like they’re
just so stunning
We’ll have to do a whole episode on this
one maybe
But they were done um at Coney Island
We should mention that
I didn’t put
that in the notes, but
Oh, yes
It’s a mixture of like things
that are black and white and some color
Um they’re just so cool
And every
single one has this like really unique I
feel like once again there’s like tons
of different like costume changes
It’s just like iconic
I I don’t feel
like we can even do it any justice by
trying to describe them
I will say I
feel like the one of her in the chair
where she’s nude, was there like a
postcard
Yeah,
that was like at a bunch of stores and
stuff
Um they’re just so great guys
You
have to look at them
Plus, we love
Ellen Von Werth and this is just like the
perfect introduction
And she always reposts whenever I tag
her in a story, she always reposts it,
which is really cool
That is really cool
So, our next one, as Ann
mentioned, is Dirt
And I I don’t even
know what this magazine was, but it was
like a boys magazine, I think
Um, it’s undated, which has always
driven me crazy, but it came out in ’93
And the photos were done by Spike Jones,
which is really cool
And Drew basically
is like half the cover
Like, she shares
it with John Singleton
So, it’s from
the nose up, it’s Drew, and from the
nose down it’s him, which is kind of
fun
I want the rest of her face
And
she does a like ask I think it’s called
like ask a girl or something
So there’s
all these like letters written in and
she responds to all these boys like with
a female perspective
It’s It’s pretty
silly
I definitely We should reread
that
I don’t even remember
And you’re
totally right
I just did a quick Google
and it was an American lifestyle
magazine targeting young men
There you go
It’s a really cool unique like the
photos are unique, the cover is unique
I feel like it took me a while to like
collect this one
Like it is kind of a
weirder one, but
you know, we’ve got some copies in the
jersey
Of course, it’s special one
Of course
All right
And we of course have to
mention I feel like one of like the
biggest things this year that so many
people remember about 93 is the guest
campaign
Um, and you can listen to episode 6 when
we talk all about it
I can’t believe it
was episode six
Like
I know that’s crazy
Um these photographs were by Wayne
Maser
Um we’ve got two different photo
shoots that are kind of used throughout
the campaign
Um one that was done at
Salt and Sea in California and another
in Miami, Florida
And they have very
distinct kind of looks to them
If
you’re familiar with them, you might
know
Um
they were first debuted in magazines in
June
And how long did those kind of
like there were magazines for like a
while
I want to say all the way up to like
early ’94
and there’s so many you guys
Yeah,
this is this is such a I mean this is a
if you listen to episode six of our
podcast I’m sure we’ll talk about like
good luck with the audio
Who knows what
that sounds like
Maybe don’t listen to it
Um but
this was huge
I mean huge for her
I
mean, I feel like like literally icon
status like you know, she’s like h so
good
She’s a guest girl
She’s like such a
guest girl and she was like amazed to
have been selected for it
Like she
thought like I am this little tiny like
I’m short and I’m like, you know, she
didn’t feel like she was guest girl
material, which is crazy because these
ads are incredible and she’s so
beautiful in them
Oh my god, we can’t
get out
Yeah, we we do really go into
detail even though it’s an like early
episode and it might not sound great
I
know I did a ton of research of like and
had some cool factoids
So, it’s worth
listening to even if it doesn’t sound
amazing
And if you’re listening to this and
you like cannot visualize
Drew Barrymore’s guess ads, please go to
our website, go to the Drewseum, look at the
pictures, and soak them in
Like,
yeah, literally just go to the
museum
com/guest if you want to see all
of the things in our collection related
to this campaign because there’s an
unbelievable amount of photos
They are
Yeah, I know I’ve said it a
hundred times, but they are rad
They
are beautiful
I feel like it’s even
hard to like choose a favorite from this
grouping
Anyway,
yeah
So, we’ve reached the end of 93 that we
thought was going to be kind of a little
year ended up being like quite a bit of
like important stuff
I mean,
yeah
And it really I think it’s it’s I mean
obviously it literally is but it’s this
interesting middle point of like okay
she’s like getting her career back up
She’s getting a lot of attention
She
hasn’t quite made the leap to like major
things happening quite yet
I mean Bad
Girls was like her first studio film in
a long time
So that’s a pretty big
thing
Like we didn’t even touch on
that
So she’s really building it back
up but she’s still like not A-list you
know
Well, that’s kind of why when I
said she’s in Wayne’s world, too,
because she was a big star, I was like,
“Yeah,
sort of like,
yeah, she’s very well known
She was
very famous, but she didn’t necessarily
have like
pull in Hollywood, you know,
she was still working on that,
right
And had, like you said, not
having done a studio film,
she had been filming all these little
things that were going to take their
time getting released
And then it
wasn’t until she had like, you know, the
big names behind her that they were just
like released, released, released
“
Yeah, it’s also, you know, I didn’t put
anything about this in here, but it’s
also worth noting that the next year she
officially founds Flower Films
So,
that’s huge
Like, yeah
Major like she’s things her
career is
really going up up up and things are
really happening and it’s just
it’s really cool that she’s only 18 like
what
it’s making me really feel like we got
to cover Flower Films at some point
soon
I’ve actually that’s like calling
to me right now
Okay, so thank you guys
for joining us down this little trip
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How Do You Drew Episode 118 – Romantic Relationships
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[Music]
How do you drew
How do you drew
[Music]
Hello and welcome to How Do You Drew
This is a Drew Barrymore podcast brought
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We’re drawing on over 25 years of Drewbie
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Drew’s world, from her personal life to
her professional career
Thanks to our
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I’m an
and I’m Ashley
And this week we are
discussing Drew Barrymore’s romantic
relationships,
also known as Too Many Boyfriends,
which uh some lovely gentleman on
Hollywood Boulevard shouted at us once
when we were posing with Drew Star
I
don’t like her
She has too many
boyfriends
We were like, go f yourself
I think he also said like a comment
about her body as well
We’re not Yeah
Great
guy,
right
great guy that just felt like he
had to tell clearly people who are fans
of this person that he did not like her
and we were like young girls anyway
Anyway, we’re talking about her her
boyfriends
So, let’s start at the top of
the episode with uh a little bit of a
tidbit, I guess
How how would you Yeah
I just wanted to mention that I just
recently finished Demi Moore’s memoir
It’s called Inside Out, and it’s from
2019
And I just felt like there were a lot of
really fascinating parallels to Drew’s
young life
Sort of similarly to when we
read Ione Skye’s where I was just like,
“Oh, there’s weird like connections and
overlaps
” And I mean, the one thing
that really stuck out to me was sort of
how Demi’s mom was
And I I remember Drew
and Demi talking about it on Drew’s show
once,
but yeah, she like also sold childhood
photos of Demi to the press and also like
posed nude after Demi did stuff like
that
I just found it really
fascinating
Um, it was a great book
So, highly recommend
And there is a
cute little part about our girl Drew
calling and charming Demi out of
retirement for full throttle
You know,
Drew’s Drew making a phone call
The
secret weapon,
right
I just watched Ever After
again and I was thinking about the
Angelica Huston thing and I was I was
telling my friend who was with me
watching it like of course I have to
throw in some tidbits
I was like
I was like you know she like called her
and Anyway, you know the whole thing
Yeah, that’s fun
Anyways, okay
So,
let’s get into a big list of things that
Drew has proclaimed her love for
recently
I love love
All right
Drew loves her dictionaries
Oh, of course she does
I I got you covered there
I love paper
She loves hush puppies
When the girls open up to her, referring
to her daughters
She loves a beef bullion
Queso Wajaka
[Music]
Everything about her experience
She would love this podcast
She should
listen to it
She loves Pitch Perfect
And Aubrey Plaza
We know that
And she was referring to
local journalism
She loves skincare
A fake meat
We do too
A legume
Is that how you say that
You know what
I was just trying to say
this word recently and I don’t know if
it’s legume or legume
I don’t like it
Either way, it’s kind of gross sounding,
but I mean, I like eating them,
right
She loves to see people make stuff and
accomplish stuff
A
again, she should listen to this
podcast
She loves jokes
[Laughter]
A googly eye
Okay, let’s see if I can say this one
Yeah, it’s a Korean savory sweet and
spicy condiment
She loves miso
The nude lip
She loves crochet
Has she ever done it
I don’t I doubt it
Yeah, me too
She loves an old school at a glance
The
day planners
Oh, okay
She loves Jim Carrey
We knew that
listen to our Batman
Forever episode
And finally, Drew loves red hair, which
we were just talking about in our last
episode for Charlie’s Angels
Yes, we were
Everything just feeds each
other, guys
It all connects
This This podcast is a
snake eating its own tail
Um, we have a Drewism of the week
for this week
It looks like you know
those cool little isms that we do
This came from people
They did like
a random interview with her kind of in
connection to the Garnier stuff that
she’s been doing
And I just had to pull
this little paragraph because I thought
this is such a truism
You want to read
it
So, it said, “I shaved my
legs the other day and that made me feel
20 times less like a Neanderthal
I gave
myself a home pedicure
I cleaned out my
toenails and I got my gray roots done
These are things that we women don’t
carve out time for
And then all of a
sudden you look at yourself and you’re
like, I’m not just a keeper
I’m a
hairy keeper with dry skin
I’m
rocking around as if I’m a troll and I’m
not going to sink down that rabbit hole
I’m going to pull myself out
I’m going
to do what I can for myself
I really like it
Relatable
It’s so many levels
Like so good
That is so good
Drew, we love you
We
love you, Drew
No matter how hairy
All right, let’s um dive into our
mailbag
You’ve got mail
We got so many nice responses to our
Charlie’s Angels episode, which meant a
lot because like to me that’s like my
favorite episode right now that we’ve
ever done
I loved it so much
I really
enjoyed it and a lot went into it and
it’s so cool to know that people were
appreciating the work that we did
And like some people who I think
who maybe were new to us possibly
In fact, this this is the one I
pulled
This is from listener Cadu from
Brazil
And he sent us some really nice
messages and this is part of what I
pulled
Oh, so Cadu said, “I just
finished listening to your Charlie’s
Angels episode and you absolutely
crushed it
I’ve been a huge fan of the
movies for 25 years and I just wanted to
say thank you for all the love, passion,
and insight you put into celebrating
Drew
It’s genuinely inspiring
Oh,
right
I like the celebrating Drew
because that’s like all of the work that
we do across this podcast across all the
Drewseum things
Like it’s all about just
celebrating this girl that makes
everybody happy
Absolutely
That’s
what we’re here to do
Like, thank you
for getting it
Um, okay
So, now we got some stuff for
what’s new with Drew
Some little things
here and there
So, let’s get into that
Here we go with the news, everybody
Drew shared on Instagram that she
has two new animals in her menagerie
Drew Little over there
She now has
two new little birds
I think they’re
parakeets, right
Uh, you know, I
don’t really know birds
Me neither, but I looked up
parakeet and it looked like it was a
match
I think that’s correct
But had to just love the pictures of
them perching on her shoulder
I love perching birdies
If that wasn’t clear enough, that’s Drew
proclaiming that she loved perching
birdies
And that’s always been one of our like
go-to Drew quotes that we just always
say for some reason
I love perching birdies cuz it’s so her
Yes, it is
And the crowd like laughs after she says
this on Rosie O’Donnell because it’s so
sincere and like goofy
Um, she brought them out when Tracy
Morgan was on the show, but she also
brought out a snake and Jeremy, you
know, the lizard
And they didn’t like
name, like she didn’t introduce them all
by name,
right
So, the like caption on the screen said
that Jeremy, Lemon, Melanie, and Norio
were all Drew’s pets who were ecstatic
to meet Tracy
So, I’m going to guess
Lemon was the snake
I’m like going
order of appearance
and that the birds are Melanie and
Norio, but I could have that wrong
Very cute
Like this is adorable
I love
the images that we have of Drew with the
birds
Like I know
this makes me so happy
I love that you noted that her snake was
Cecil cuz I thought so too cuz she’s
like
Cecil
So I guess this must be a new
snake,
right
Unless they uh I don’t know
We named Cecil
I
feel like she brought Cecil more than
once to the show
Probably
Yeah, he’s definitely come up
Anyway, the menagerie grows
So, what else is new
Uh, this was so like random and fun on
Halloween night
I mean, everyone has
probably seen this by now, but at a
Sabrina Carpenter concert, apparently
there’s a song I don’t know Sabrina
Carpenter stuff
Sorry, guys
But
apparently there’s a song called Juno
And from what I understand, when she’s
about to do that song, she’s been quote
unquote arresting an audience member for
being too sexy
And it’s like a whole
thing
So on Halloween, she appeared to arrest
Ghost Face from Scream in the audience
And then surprise, the mask comes off
and it’s Drew under there
And the crowd
like freaks out
There’s a girl behind
her who’s just like jaw dropped to the
floor
Yeah, me too
It was very cute
Like Drew’s like very
like trying to be seductive and cute
with Sabrina
It’s so cute
Like she looks so I mean
she looks beautiful
She takes the mask
off and they’ve got like the camera
right on her
She looked lovely
I think
she was wearing like a red lip, right
Like it looks so good
It was funny
Um one of the Instagram
followers we have, Rodney, he’s like
very into Charlie’s Angels
He said it
totally gave him pulling the LL cool J
mask vibe and I was like totally
totally totally
I love how she
like pulls the mask off and like shakes
her hair out
Like there’s something
there’s also something very Charlie’s
Angels about that
Like that’s totally
what she does as LL Cool J
Like he called
it
Um that was so fun
And these Polaroids
Is this something that um Sabrina
Carpenter posted
Which is so cool
I love that
somebody was just right there with a
Polaroid camera when this happened
Um, all right
We’ve got
one more in a little new thing to talk
about before we get into the topic
This just came out
So Vince Gilligan,
who wrote Home Fries, he was just on the
Drew Barrymore show
Did you watch that
when they called Luke Wilson
It was so cute
Oh, it was so cute
I’m like, get back
together, you guys
And I like how Luke just kept talking
Like I was like, this is so cute and
sweet
I definitely like want to cover
Home Fries pretty soon
Like it keeps
coming into my orbit like for some
reason
But anyway, so um Vince has a
new TV show called Pluribus and there is
a new promo ad for it where like all of
these people are speaking to the main
character through her TV and there’s a
lot of Breaking Bad alums in it which
makes sense
But then Drew is also
randomly in there for two seconds but
it’s worth uh worth checking out
And I wonder if this promo if
there will be more of it, you know, like
this is just our promo, but we’ll have
to see
Oh, maybe
I mean, I’m I’m already interested in
seeing this
I I just finished watching
uh Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul
And I saw that he had a new show and I
was like, “Hell yeah
” And it’s one of
the like main characters from Better
Call Saul
The actress who’s in this
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I guess we might be ready to talk about
uh weekly topic about things that Drew
loves
Loved uh past tense
I guess
she lives love with these fellas at one
point in her life
Absolutely
And Drew, she does
She
really does love love
Like for real,
I love love love
and it’s very interesting to see how she
went from being kind of this love
junkie
You’ll see a lot of these
relationships really go back to back
very very closely
Self-proclaimed love junkie
And then we have present
day which we’ll touch on
And you know
she’s just she’s changed guys
She’s the
same girl but she’s changed
Um,
yeah, she’s really like I feel like just
in the last several years she’s really
matured in like a
I mean she’s also I mean she’s also con
like constantly learning about herself
too
Like
I think she would agree like even in the
last like
year I feel like she would say that
Um I do want to say at the top that
these first few that we’re going to
mention
they’re pretty casual quote unquote
relationships
We’re talking about a
time when she was like 13 and 14, which
sounds so laughable as like just having
witnessed my at the time 15year-old
daughter go through her first little
breakup
And it’s like I can’t even
believe that would ever be notable
enough to be included on any list ever,
right
But she was different
She’s different at this point if you
know she’d been through a lot by 13 14
So like
we you know we’ll talk about it some age
differences that are a little shocking
and things like this
Um, but also Drew
I think always was a little um
ahead of her time whatever you or you
know good way of putting it
like wise beyond her years
So yeah we have to in include
those just to kind of keep the timeline
complete
We are leaving out any mention
of guys that maybe she was like spotted
with once or twice but she never like
considered them a relationship
We’re
leaving out like all the stupid dumb
rumored ones like, “Oh, Val Kilmer,
she’s said that’s false
” Edward Norton,
no, they were just friends
Sam
Rockwell, just friends
Like, this is
kind of we’re trying to set like the
definitive list and like not the stupid
like Buzzfeed someone just quickly
Googled and saw a picture of her on the
red carpet with someone
And I don’t know that anyone would be
able to like argue with what we are
putting out there except for Drew
herself
Like,
no one’s ever allowed to argue with us
No, just kidding
Drew Drew is always
You just feel like this is the part of
like the public
part
I don’t know
This is what she’s
made known
You know
For the most part
All right
So, should we start right at
the very beginning
With uh our famous If you’re if you
listen to Little Girl Lost coverage on
Patreon, you’re familiar with this guy
So, this is Robbie
That is his
supposedly true name
In Little Girl
Lost, she names him Bobby
really top secret name change there
Um,
so when Drew was 13, this guy was a high
school senior and she met I think she
met him in the clubs and she spent a lot
of time at his family’s house in New
York when she wasn’t getting along with
her own mom
Based on how she wrote about him and
Little Girl Lost, we both went, “Wow,
this was not a healthy relationship
There’s some toxic that went down
“
There’s like Yeah
physical and like uh
uh
emotional
physical and mental abuse
Um and a few years later, you know, she
left New York and rehab and all these
things happened
Like, of course, that’s
they didn’t stay together, guys
But, um a few years later, she
had referred to him in Details magazine
as quote, “The only guy I’ve ever truly
been in love with
” Which I was like,
“Not great
But then, you know,
she’s saying this and she’s still young,
so she’s got a lot of love to go around
Guys,
totally
Should I mention the
embarrassing lap dance story
I don’t remember what you’re talking
about
I did find it very funny that in
the last week or so, she mentioned on
her show a story about how when she was
young, she tried to do a lap dance for
her boyfriend and it was it was really
bad and it didn’t work out well
And she
said that the song was to
Blue Monday by New Order, which in
Little Cor she says is her song with
Bobby
13-year-old Drew trying to do a
lap dance for this guy
Oh my goodness
That is funny
She seems to have a sense of humor about
it
Of course
And I love when she just like
reveals these random things
But of course me with the like you
know conspiracy theory board red lines
I’m like oh that must have been him
Blue Monday you said I don’t exactly who
you’re talking about
Okay so now we’re going to talk about
somebody that is a famous person so you
just may know who he is
This is Corey
Feldman
Um Drew had a childhood crush
on him and they went on a really like
very wholesome date set up by Steven
Spielberg when she was younger
Um, and
then the spring of 1989, they went to a
few events together, like including the
Oscars
Um, we know that they were both
like recovering, like in recovery at
this time, so I’m sure that that bonded
them
I feel like Drew has referred to
this as like more like a friend, but
also
I don’t think she was like this was a
real serious relationship
You know, I
don’t even know if like were they dating
when they did 15 and getting straight
like this is such a short little window
of time and she’s 14,
right
And they had a very like when he
was on her show it was very sweet, like
very tender and sweet
Like I don’t
think we’d ever really seen them speak
to each other
So
it was a really good um
it was great
appearance and I mean he’s one of like a
few that have been on her show from this
list
That’s true
That’s true
I think there’s like three others
I’ll
just say one other thing about him is we
got that tidbit from Todd Gold that he
had sent like dozens of roses to Drew
and we thought like maybe it was maybe
around the Oscars’ timeline like based
on what they were saying I think
Um so it was kind of a fun little thing
that we learned and I was like oh that
sounds about right for like I don’t
know
Um okay we’re just going to
briefly touch on this next one
The late
actor Rodney Harvey
So, we have
speculated that Drew briefly dated him
in mid 1989
And this is based on things
that we uncovered during our little girl
lost research
And
sorry to put this behind a payroll, but
it is kind of like sensitive
information
So, if you want to know the
scoop on this one, including like some
really weird info about her mom Jade’s
involvement in this relationship, you
got to head over to our Patreon for our
little girl lost deep dive
You do
patreon
[Laughter]
Yeah, that was an interesting one
Is that the one who was in The
Outsiders
Yes, the TV show
And like he’s part of
this crew that we’re like going to
continue seeing names pop up
So, next we’ve got another
actor
You may be aware of him, you may
not
Balthazar Getty
Um I’ve always
thought he was so cute
Yeah, he’s
really cute in all their photos together
and he’s like age appropriate which is
refreshing,
right
So, they were pictured together
at events and clubs throughout 1990
Um,
this is a very like
Yeah, I love I mean we love Drew’s look
at this time like long blonde hair
She
looks really happy in this picture here
So, she’s spoken about hanging
out in the friend group that included
Balthazar, Rodney who we just talked
about, and David Arquette, um, who she
said is only a friend, although they
like went to an event together, so
people thought they were dating
I know he’s always on the list
I’m like
I They went like to one red carpet and
Okay
Um, and then they were
pictured um for the last time on October
12th, 1990
So, it was really just like
that year
Kind of a kind of a blip
Um,
but really sweet
Kind of a blip as it should be when
you’re 15 years old
Um, so very soon after on October 29th,
1990,
Drew was pictured with this next guy,
and this is one of the first in a like
boom boom boom way too old guys
His
name was Leland Hayward
Um, he was a grandson of an old
Hollywood producer by the same name
Okay,
so Drew is 15 and he was in his early
20s
We have to assume it was I think he
was reportedly 24 at the time, but like
Okay,
I don’t know how to check up on that
information
Um,
in February 1991, People magazine
reported that they were rumored to be
engaged, but Drew later said that wasn’t
true
In fact, she told our buddy Todd
Gold in that same Details magazine that
he bought me a diamond ring and I wore
it on that finger
So, I suppose I asked
for it, but we were never engaged
And
Todd kind of like pushes back, but she’s
like, “No, it was like a joke
Like, we
weren’t engaged
” Which
I don’t know that it really matters
She could have been, you
know
Whatever that means when you’re 15
years old
And then they were last seen together in
February 1991
So, shortlived, but um
you know, I don’t love I don’t love it
It’s notable
I don’t love it
And then this next one is like my least
favorite
This one really
I have a real problem with and we’ve
mentioned it before, but yeah, go for
it
Explain these details
So, um, his name is Phedon Papamichael
What a name, right
in 1991 when
Drew was 16 years old
He was like fully
an adult around 30 who was a
cinematographer on Poison Ivy and then
he directed her in Sketch Artist
And he kind of said he he said outright
actually that he reworked the script of
Sketch Artist after watching her play a
seductress in Poison Ivy
Meaning he
like was like, “Oh,
more sexy
So then um she did mention him
being her boyfriend in movie line 1992
So we kind of have confirmation from the
I always forget what the phrase is from
the horse’s mouth
Is that right
The horse’s mouth
And we mentioned that in episode 81
because we’ve gone over each issue of
Movie Line
Those are really fun
episodes
Check them out
Um, and then,
uh, we have one more little tidbit about
him that is just kind of like weird but
fun to know and a little gross
So, um, photographer Dan Arsenal, who
had done the photos for the, uh, Venice
magazine, um, told us that she brought
photos home from that photo shoot, the
Polaroids, to Phedon like he as a as a
gift
And Phedon has posted one on his
Instagram and it was just like blew our
minds
Yeah, because we saw it
Um I think
there were actually two at first and
there’s only one like still up
But we
didn’t realize at first they were from
the Venice
Like he didn’t even like
credit anything
He was just like Drew
Barrymore and like as if he’d taken
them
And I remember like first of all
the photos are amazing but I was also
like ew
Like you’re okay
Anyway, um
yeah, but later we were able to figure
out they were from that shoot and the
photographer confirmed that’s what he
recalled happening
So yeah, it’s
interesting
He’s like an Academy Award
nominated cinematographer and it doesn’t
get brought up that he dated Drew, but
if you if you Google their names
together, you can find a couple things
Like it’s not a secret secret
And Drew,
remember in movie line 2003 where the
author like lists like several guys that
he found that she’d been in a
relationship with and she says the ones
that are true,
right
And he’s one of them
And this is like the
biggest age gap that we
Yeah
are aware of
Let’s move on to Jamie
Walters
So, this is when things start
getting a little more serious in these
relationships
So, they were introduced
by their mutual agent, JJ Harris, RA,
and they were first seen together in May
1992 when Drew was 17
They very quickly
moved in together and got engaged like
boom, boom, boom, like I think it was a
couple of months
But just as quickly, the relationship
ended
So, Drew had said that Jaime
broke off their engagement by phone
three days before she was due to return
to their LA house that they shared
because she was in Vancouver filming the
Amy Fischer story
He asked him to wait until she got back
so they could discuss it in person
Um,
but by the time she got home, Jamie had
moved out
And she like said that she
thinks that spending too much time apart
was the cause of the the problems
But
this was probably like her first really
serious relationship
And definitely
major heartbreak
Like she was very open
for a few years about how painful
this breakup was for her
I I have to
imagine this was maybe like the first
time that she was like,
I could create my own family with
someone or you know those kind of ideas
that we see place together
So they were
probably really picturing building a
life
And I would imagine I think JJ was a
very like kind of a motherly mentor
figure for Drew
So JJ like encouraging
the relationship probably made some
difference as well
Um one other little tidbit
we’ll mention if you’re not familiar
with the interview magazine from 1992
He appears with Drew on the cover
He is
in he’s clothed and Drew is nude
Um
it’s
we have we have an episode about that
too, guys, if you want to go listen
Yes, we do
There are many episodes,
y’all
We’ve covered a lot
Um, we’ve
also covered this next guy
Um, this is,
um, Drew’s first husband, Jeremy Thomas
Very brief marriage
Let me go into it
Um, they met at the Roxbury in 1992, but
then they met again at a friend’s house
on February 12th of 1994 and started
dating
So, we’re February 12th, 1994
Here we are
Then they’re like married
at on the spur of a moment on March 20th
at his bar the room
We talked about
this in episode 26
As I mentioned,
we’ve talked about the weddings
Okay,
so that’s March 20th
By Mar by May
10th, Drew’s filed for divorce, but
we’ve since found out um that she
married him to get a green card
So,
this was just kind of a sort of a flash
in the pan, but notable because
they literally published this this
wedding in People magazine
Like, it was
I mean, that’s where most of these
details come from
Like, it’s crazy
Like, they they really presented this to
be a true relationship
at the time
And I do think they were
dating
Drew sometimes made it sound like, oh,
it was a friend I was trying to help
out
But I think they were actually
dating
We’ve also seen
some letters that he has sold to
tabloids that she wrote to him and
they’re very much like I’m in love with
you kind of
loving ones
Yeah, they’re really sweet
He like she like wrote him poetry
Yeah, totally
But later she called him
the devil
So didn’t end well,
right
It was sounds it was really
intense
I mean obviously
Yeah
So, kind of like surrounding
that whole thing is our next
relationship
One of the cutest ones,
but also this is a really big age gap,
too
But I guess it was
This is Eric Erinsson, the guitarist of
Hole
So, he and Drew had first met um man, I
did a lot of research
I still haven’t
pinned down the exact date, but it was
either December 93 or January 94
I know
that
So, she had vomited on his shoes
outside of the music club, Jabberjaw
We’ve told this story a million times
Um, and then they ran into each other
again soon after when Hull was in town
doing the album photo shoot for Live
Through This, which Drew’s friend Ellen
von Unworth was doing
But I know, but they didn’t start dating
until Drew was in Seattle filming Mad
Love in summer 94
And some in one of
the articles we covered recently, she’s
like, “Oh, I had to go get married and
figure my out first and then I
could start dating this guy
“
I don’t think it like in my mind those
things do not overlap
I can’t I almost can’t see them
overlapping in my head
Wow, that’s
through the research of this podcast
that I’ve really like nailed down the
timeline and been like, “Whoa, that’s
weird
“
So wild
And I love that she’s like said
that like confirmed
Um, Drew and Eric were super super in
love
Like, she was crazy about him
She
talked about him with so much love in
her heart
They did live together in LA
Um, I mean, they were together for a
long time
She was constantly on tour
with Hull
And, you know, I think this
is one of our favorite eras of Drew
So,
of course, we have a certain fondness
for any photo of them together
Um, they were
last seen together on the red carpet in
April of 1996 and there was really no
explanation that I think we’ve ever seen
for their breakup
Um,
yeah
And she hasn’t really talked about
their breakup like
No, she speaks of him very with a lot of
love still
Um, but yeah, we’ve never
really heard what happened, but we can
kind of It could be because of the next
guy or there may have not have been an
overlap
We don’t really know
But it was a very tender
relationship like like you said
Um this
timeline is like our favorite like Yeah
And I had a chance to briefly meet Eric
Erson with Jolina and I told him you are
one of my my favorite boyfriends of Drew
Barrymore
And I feel like he was like
oh I love Drew
Like he’s you know of
course like it was really funny but I
told him that
I also they were like um
photographed together twice after their
breakup like at events on like on random
like
Oh, I don’t even remember
Yeah, I think one was the American
History X premiere and then the other
one was like this art show like way in
the future when she was with Will
Do
you remember this
Is it the art show that was like
Shepherd Fair’s art show
Yes, I think so
It’s cute though
We love a little
reunion between Drew and anyone from her
past
Oh my god
I mean, yeah
Speaking of uh
reunions that we love
So, Luke Wilson, we love Luke Wilson
We were just talking about him at the
top of the show because literally he
Yeah
Drew and uh Vince Gilligan
Talked to him on the phone on our show
We also were just talking about how much
we love him and Charlie’s Angels
Like
Luke comes up a lot on this show
Yes,
we love Luke
So, um, of course, as you
probably know as Drew Barrymore fans,
they were cast as love interests in both
Best Men and Home Fries, but both in
1996, which is wild
It still blows my mind that Home Fries
is from was filmed in ’96 because it
came out in ’98
But anyway,
you know what’s so funny is that, like I
said, it keeps like coming in my orbit
So I found out they were still
potentially filming in January 97 and
that blew my mind because I was like
that is a 96 filmed movie and it’s just
so silly
What it crossed over
Um and they
I this Drew has basically described that
was like love at first sight
Um if you
don’t know the quote
the camels,
right
What is it like
I would I
would follow those
Um he was wearing
brown shoes and I would follow those
across any desert or something or Yeah
camel colored shoes
Anyway,
camels
I’m butchering it
I’m butchering it
So, they were really pretty
seriously together for close to two
years
Um he said uh she said that he
broke up with her during the filming of
Never Been Kissed in summer of 1998
Um
though they were seen together
afterwards
um they continued to be on
and off for a little bit and Drew has
now we’ve heard her describe it as an
open relationship um through the end of
1999
So we don’t have like a definitive
end
Um
yeah, well I guess we kind of do when
the next guy comes in, but
that’s a good point
That’s a very good
point
Um I will just say when every
time we’ve seen Drew encounter Luke on
her show or anything, it’s the cutest
We would love to see them back together
Like
honestly, he’d probably be my number one
pick for her to get back together with
Like he is so sweet
And it I I was really like bothered when
when the media took the like open
relationship thing and ran with it like
as if that’s how it was the whole time
because in the beginning like she was
like ready to like go move to Texas and
have babies with him
Like they were
very together
I know the open relationship thing
I
mean I think it surprised us a little
bit but also because of the wording
I
think it’s just the wording
They
probably were just like, “Let’s be
casual
“
I think it was more they were on and off
at the end there for a while
And she’s just using that
to kind of describe maybe her mindset or
whatever it was
I don’t know
I don’t know
All right
Now, we have husband number
two,
Tom Green
Also, we just talked about
him a lot because so Drew had a crush on
him
She really loved his MTV show and
so she asked him to be in Charlie’s
Angels
Go watch the last episode if you
want to know more about that
So they started dating during filming in
early 2000 and they were engaged by
July
Again, these some of these
relationships just go boom boom boom
Love junkie, right
This one was just a total whirlwind
because it was like really playing out
in the media in such an extreme way and
they were like feeding into that
You
know, that was kind of Tom’s thing and
Drew was like, “All right, I guess I’m
going to be the fun girlfriend and go
along with this
” Um they dealt with him
going through testicular cancer and her
house burning down during all of this
Like it was chaos
Um so and they
were like always playing with the press
about if they were married or not or
when are they going to married
Oh, we
got married yesterday
Oh, we’re going
to get married in two weeks
Like it was
I mean they were just always messing
around with the press
But
it’s really funny
But the real thing finally did
happen on July 7th, 2001
And again, you
can go listen to our episode 26 to get
more details about their wedding
Uh,
but then Tom filed for divorce on
December 17th, 2001, citing
irreconcilable differences
That’s my
celebrity profile narrator voice I like
to bring up every once in a while
Um, irreconcilable differences
You know what I’m talking about
Yeah, of course I do
He does talk
pretty extensively in his book about,
you know, what happened there
And I
really think it comes down to just being
from two totally different worlds
And then all this like craziness that
happened during the relationship in the
media and it just, you know, was not
sustainable
Wasn’t there some We were
Maybe it was one of the articles where
she was talking a lot about like how
tumultuous it was like right after the
fire like how like
like mentally she was going through
I
mean I like Yeah
And that it was like
really intense and that they were trying
to like
I think she says like we’re fighting a
lot or something to that effect
So
yeah, I can’t imagine going through all
the stuff they went through, but he has
been on our show and they also had a
very like lovely exchange like so
I mean from everything that we know it
feels like he was actually a really
stable influence on their life which is
like not what you’d expect from this
wacky guy
Um, I think he’s one of many
who came from a very like stable, happy
family and Drew is attracted to these
guys who have that, you know, makes a
lot of sense
We’ll see it come up again
and again
Yes, we will
She craved that family
thing
Yeah,
totally
I Oh, I was going to say one
more thing about Tom Green is that I
remember when Drew started dating him
I
remember my brother saying to tease me,
she’s going to marry him
And I was like, “No, she’s not
” And
then like within the year,
Starfish, where are you going
Where are
you going, Starfish
Where are you going
again
She’s going to go see The Strokes
That’s where she’s going
Yes, she is again and again and again
Um, we also love this guy
So,
Fabitio Moretti, who uh is was Are the
strokes still a thing
Yeah, they just came to Vegas and I
couldn’t get tickets
It was like sold
out immediately
Oh, okay
So, the Strokes, the drummer
of the Strokes,
um they met backstage at Coachella when
the Strokes were playing in late April
2002
And then they were pictured together the
very next day at an event
So, like I
think it was kind of immediate with
them
Um and then it proceeded to be
Drew’s longest relationship to date,
which is so odd to think about
He was
younger than her
I think he might
right
He was a bit younger than her and
maybe Justin, too
And don’t
forget Fab and Justin have the same
birthday
Oh my god
Is it the same year or two
I don’t know
But uh just pencil this in
your mind, guys
It was June 2nd
You
might hear that date a little bit later
on in this episode
Oh my god, I forgot about that whole
thing
Okay, so that was her longest
relationship
There were always rumors
of like breakups and engagements and but
nothing was really ever confirmed
And
it seemed like their relationship was
like pretty stable throughout
Like it
seemed like a pretty like decently good
relationship
I remember like paparazzi
of them fighting, but like
Oh yeah, I forgot about that
But it is what it is
It is what it And also like that was
such a fun time to like always see
pictures of her at their shows and
they seemed very in love
Like remember
when we went to the star ceremony and he
was in the crowd like just looking at
her so proudly
And we met Fab
Don’t forget that
We’ve met him twice
Oh my god
One in once
was in Vegas
And then I The other time was at
the bowling alley
The bowling alley like everyone else is
going to know
Um do we tell that story
I’m sure we’ve told that story, but I’ll
just I’ll real quick
We went down to
universal citywalk because the Strokes
were playing and I don’t know
We were
hoping something would happen
We see
Drew
We didn’t see Drew, but this guy
from KROQ just walked up to us and
Joalena and he’s like, “Hey, do you guys
want to meet the strokes
Like, we’re
doing a meet and greet fun thing at the
Lucky Strike Bowling Alley and I have
extra passes or who even knows
” Like,
that was the power of
literally it just right
It just it just
fell on us
We manifested that just like we did
Sam Rockwell
We were just sitting
there, but we were sitting in the in the
area, you know, like we were being we
were placed very strategically
still
It was amazing
And he was super,
right
He was super sweet and I have an
amazing photograph that I took of Fab
Like,
oh my god, we have to be fun to share
that, right
Yes, we have to
It’s like one of the
best photos I’ve ever seen in my life
It’s also really weird
The reason it’s
so crazy, I’ll just tell you guys, is
the flash is somebody else’s flash
Like
my flash was not on
It’s lit by the
side
Like I think it’s there’s
something really weird that’s happening
and it’s amazing
Um and he was really
sweet every time
Like I mean the both
times it was very just like
lovely just like I don’t remember
anything we talked about
It was
probably very quick but sweet guy
Um
anyway um news of their split hit in
January 2007
So that’s like yeah
they’re they were together for almost
five years
Almost five years
Um and I don’t think
we’ve ever really gotten much
information on what happened there
Um,
oh, I guess I could say one more thing
about it
Like, don’t we know that an
illustration that he did was on the Drew
Barrymore show set for a while
Yeah, I was going to say that
I think
um I think it’s still there and got
moved, but it’s like I think she has the
original in her New York apartment
Like
I’ve seen it there and then there’s like
a blown up version on the Drew Barrymore
show set
So, they obviously there’s
still love there
I would He should come
on the show
That’d be fun
That would be fun
Something to promote
Come on, Fab
I
feel like he’s like seems shy or
something, right
Like even when we met
him, like I don’t remember any words
I
just remember sweetness
Just a cute little smile
All right
Another little cutie coming
up here
So Justin Long
He’s probably
like I’m Him and Luke are kind of equal
to me as far as like they’re so cute
I
love her with them
So Drew and Justin
had originally met through Sam Rockwell,
mutual friend, and then they started
dating
They started dating after Justin was
cast in the Flower Films He’s Just Not
That Into You film
And they were first pictured together in
September 2007
I think it was like
Austin city limits or something like
that
They spent a lot of time in Austin
together
I think that’s why I like
think something with him
Um
they were together for a little while
We definitely like saw them
They were a
picture together a lot
They were like
paparazzi, the two of them, I feel like,
more than her in any other relationship
I think a cover of like US
Weekly was them at the beach, I think
Why was that
You’re right
I think it
was People
That’s even like kind of wilder
in a way
So, they were like very much an
item, but they broke up around the time
that Whippet began filming in July 2008
Drew’s rep even confirmed it to people
And we have our theories that he was
originally supposed to have the role in
Whippet that Jimmy Fallon ended up
doing
Um I think we had heard that
somewhere along the line and it totally
makes sense if you think about it
So they broke up, but then they
started regularly being spotted together
again starting in March 2009
And then
you know continually after that they
made going the distance together that
summer
They never like confirmed they
were dating again, but it was super
obvious
Like, right,
they went to the Emmys together
Like,
he was supporting her through all the
whip it promotion
Like, even at the end
of SNL, we talked about that he’s like
right there on stage with holding hands
with her
Um, but they were last pictured together
as what feels like an official couple at
the GLAD Awards in April 2010, but then
they were still super friendly and cute
together when they promoted Going the
Distance in August of that year
But
from what I recall, they were like
definitely not together anymore at that
point
And another one that’s been on
our show and was like
multiple times, I think
And it’s like
it’s very clear that there is like
forever love between them
But I also
love how I also So sometimes I feel like
Drew goes a little hard trying to be
like, I love your wife
Like very
hard
And I know she actually does, but
what’s what’s her name
Kate Bosworth
Kate Bosworth
So it seems like you know
Justin and Kate Bosworth they seem very
very very in love but also like I think
Drew and Justin still love each other
Like they say it to each other like
there’s but not in a I don’t think
that’s anyway it’s very lovely very
tender
I I love that Drew has these
like
the positive things that like in out of
her like some of her loving
relationships like it’s lovely
I also always think about like how
she’s described that time period that
they were together as like hedonistic
Like that’s when we got her just like
wearing the most outrageous clothes and
crazy makeup on her face and they were
always going out to like concerts and
all kinds of stuff
Like it’s
Do we have a 2009 episode where we talk
about Yes
So you can hear us talk
about all the wacky outfits
And I feel like
fun year
she got something like out of her system
and that’s sort of like
the page turns to take a
yes
phrase for MC G
right so big page turning to Drew
meeting the father of her children
So,
we are talking about Will Kopelman
Um,
always just described as an art dealer,
whatever that means,
right
Um, from a wealthy New York
family with ties to Chanel
I think it’s
like, yeah, it’s a whole there’s money
on that in that family
And, you know,
Drew is a famous person, has plenty of
money on her own
So, you know, I have
this feeling like there I mean, it’s
very different
There’s a very different
like old money feeling
There’s like a
society thing
With his family that I get that I think
and I’m speculating, but I feel like she
never felt she lived up to it
Does that make sense
I I think I agree with you
I think she
never fully felt comfortable or felt
like it was like Yeah
Whether it was
living up to it or what it was
I Yeah,
this is a this is obviously a hard
relationship for a couple of reasons
So, let’s let’s just get into a little
bit more
So, um, they had met and gone
on a date a few years earlier, but
nothing came of it
That’s so
interesting to me that they had like me,
too
tried it before and then and then they,
um, reunited at a party at the actress
Lake Bell’s house
There was a cute
story on her show about that, right
Um, and they were spotted together for
the first time at a root show in
February of 2011
I always remember this picture and being
like, who’s this frat boy looking guy
with Drew
Like, he does not look like
her type
I don’t even remember it
Like
I’m not I’m not remembering the like
first look and even looking back at it
now I’m like oh this is funny
You you
wouldn’t know that he is like a wealthy
quote unquote art dealer
So then pretty quickly
So
they announced their engagement um in
January of 2012
I guess that’s almost a
year
So that’s quite a while
That’s true
Um but it’s it’s still relatively
quickly
Um, I do remember thinking that
every time they were like pictured
together, she did feel very
polished in a different way, right
Like
it did feel like she was really trying
Trying to be this like
mature Chanel girl
Um, so they were they were um engaged by
January of 2012 and they were full uh
photographed holding an ultrasound in
February
So basically it was like
shotgun wedding
Is that what you call
that
But very sweet
I know you’ve we talked
about with the wedding
I know you said
it’s your least favorite wedding dress,
but I do think it’s very sweet that
she’s pregnant and you can see that
she’s pregnant and it’s absolutely
it’s sweet
Um they were married on June 2nd
Oh, what’s that date
Which happens to be the birthday of two
ex-boyfriends of Drews
And they welcomed baby Olive on
September 26th
So her family, this is
the thing that she I think I think that
was probably huge for her
Absolutely
I mean, we know it was
I think it was like this guy has an
amazing family and I want to start a
family and time is running out and like
I’m ready to do this
Like I think she
said at one point way back in the day
like one of the only things she hasn’t
rushed into is being a mom
Like she was
waiting for the right moment and this is
when it presented itself to her
She was gathering information like
butterflies in a net
Butterfly net
So then they welcomed their
second child Frankie on April 22nd of
2014
So just a couple less than a
couple years later
And then by April
2016, they had filed for divorce
So um
they released a joint statement to
people
I remember think this was very
beautifully done
But it’s also kind of heartbreaking, you
know
So it says, “Sadly, our family is
separating legally, although we do not
feel this takes away from us being a
family
Divorce might make one feel like
a failure, but eventually you start to
find grace in the idea that life goes
on
Our children are our universe and we
look forward to living the rest of our
lives with them as the first priority
I know that’s beautiful and it feels
true
I mean for at least for a couple
years they seem to be very much
co-parenting like going to like holidays
together and all that stuff
I think
that has sort of
faded a bit in recent years which makes
sense
He’s remarried
They have
you know he has another child and
another one on the way
right
But um yeah, I mean Drew moved to
New York to have her daughters be closer
to him and his family like
right, you know, it’s it’s a real
it’s it’s huge
But she’s also said that
her girls are the most amazing thing
that’s ever happened to her
I don’t get
the sense that Will that there was
anything like wrong with Will
I just
think that
it wasn’t the right fit for her
Yeah, that’s a great way to put it
And
you know, we know that her divorce from
him was literally like the hardest thing
she’s ever gone through
Like she said
like she thought going to rehab at 13
was like the lowest she could go
It’s that was even lower
Um which
is just crazy
So I’m glad that there
seems to be some peace there
Um but you know, she hasn’t really dated
much since with one little exception
This guy always gets left out of the
story, but let’s just briefly touch on
this
All right, so David Hutchinson, who
worked at Mesa, which was the parent
company of Flower Beauty, she started
being spotted with him in April 2017,
and there were even like times where he
was pictured with her and her daughter,
so couldn’t have been too casual unless
he was just like a friend hanging out
Um, but by June of that year, 2017, it
was being reported by Page 6 and people
that they were dating and Drew had like
tagged him in some of her Instagram
captions at the time
They also went to Tony Crago’s wedding
together
So, they were a thing
Um,
August 2017 seems to be the last time
that we really saw them together
I got
tired of going through every single
folder that we have
But um he like came
with a group on a private jet for Chris
Miller’s birthday
So that was like the
last time that I really noticed
But
yeah, it’s interesting
He’s always kind
of left out of the story
Like she
always says like, “I’ve never dated
since my divorce
” And I’m like, “Oh,
sorry, David
“
But maybe it’s like, you know, she
didn’t really find any of the people
that she’s been on dates with, including
him,
to be serious enough maybe to
I don’t know
Yeah,
I don’t know
But yeah, we’ve got that
little thing that is a blip that she
almost seems to have forgotten
And it’s
crazy that that was so long ago
Like
we’re talking over eight years and
there’s that’s the end of the list
Like
that is the end of the list
But guys,
there’s good news because Drew has like
openly said she’s single and happy to be
single
I mean, I think she feels like
she says like if the right time comes,
the right person comes
like, but she’s
really been pretty open about being
single for the last 8 years, as you
said
Um, she speaks on her show a lot
about like going on dates, but like
nothing ever really turning into
anything notable
I always get
my hopes up, but then I’m like, “Oh,
that didn’t happen
But she, like I said, she’s
pretty happy with her current life
Um,
she has said like she isn’t really sure
she wants to invite anyone into it
like
she’s like it’s kind of lovely the way
it is
Um but always open
She’s like, you know, she loves love
Did you see um recently when Ross told
her that he had somebody that he wanted
to introduce her to and she seemed
intrigued and excited and I trust Ross’
judgment
He seems like a great person
to set her up with someone
But I also love that he like seemed like
he had the epiphany on the air
Or like to tell her on the air
Yeah, for sure
That was I mean that’s cute
I
mean we’ll see what happens
I mean
we’ll see
We’re always rooting for her,
you know
It’s like
wherever her happiness is, but it it is
exciting when she’s got a partner, you
know, it’s a whole different thing as a
fan
But yeah, if she just wants to be
single, I mean, let’s hear what she had
to say just recently um to the audience
at the Drew Barrymore Show
One thing I do know about being single,
and I have been single for so many
years, like eight I think years, is that
one day it might be gone
I think it’s
an amazing time to enjoy your time
because before you know it, someone’s
going to walk into your life and that’ll
be all different from there on out
So,
who’s ever single out there, enjoy this
time because before you know it, at some
point you’ll be sharing a life with
someone
It would be a disaster and a
waste to not love the time you get to
yourself
I do really enjoy being
single
That’s perfect
Yeah, it’s a great way to sum it up
Yeah, perfect sentiment to describe
where she is after this uh kind of
flurry of love
throughout her life
Um, yeah, Drew, we
love you
We support your love of love,
whether you’re single or in a
relationship
All right, cool
So, we did it
There’s
your list, guys
If you uh you know, we
might eventually go in deeper on some of
these relationships
That’s kind of the
plan
But um we sort of realized we need
this like overarching
definitive list
As I said, I was
telling Anne before we started recording,
it sort of reminds me of our tattoos
episode where it’s like we need to just
put out the record of when they all
happened and why and then you know that
it’ll all be there for someone to enjoy
We want to be the source
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Happy anniversary party
Happy anniversary for episode 111
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My birthday
1 + 1 + 1 is three years
Three year anniversary of the pod
We’re celebrating that on this episode
because our very first episode debuted
on August 16th, 2022
So, we’re right in
that time frame and this is where we got
to celebrate it
That is so weird
I know
it’s been that long
I can’t I can’t wrap my head around it
It’s still feels like such a new
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I know we’ve done this before, but like
you didn’t have your second daughter at
that point
I wasn’t living in Maine
yet
Like,
wow
There’s so many like big things
that have happened since then
Like,
right, how did we like do this weekly
through all that
I don’t know
We were insane
But yes, if you’ve listened since the
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Thank you for supporting
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Would you like
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Yeah, that sounds fun
And really, I think like this is
all at the mercy of the YouTube
algorithm because
some of our episodes have just like done
really well over there, so it kind of
skews the the stats here
But, um, our
third most popular was episode 92, which
was Movie Line 1995
Totally
get it
Uh, second is episode 85, which is
the year in review for 1999, which is a
great one as well
That’s fun
And then our number one most listened to
episode released in the past year was 89
and that was for movie line 1994
So,
oh, good taste
Not even the gossipy movie line 1992
Might have been like just before
Really close
That might have been the year before
like to Yeah, that might be why
I mean, that’s
always fun, but that’s neat to see that
people really liked or seemed to like
whatever the algorithm the movie was
where YouTube told them to watch
Yeah, exactly
Like, that’s cool that
that series I mean, it was fun to do
that series, too
So, I’m glad a lot of
people seem to have heard it
So, we are recording
kind of early, so we don’t have a lot of
stuff at the top, but we do at this
point in the episode, in our anniversary
episodes, we usually drop in some uh
kind of a what do you call it
Like a
blooper reel, and we call it the Bloopsy
Daisies
So, uh I hope you enjoy this
I’m so excited for these
Ashley won’t hear it until the episode
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All right
All right
Let me let me do this theme thing
Why am I always swallowing spit
They told me they were listening to our
ever ever ever ever ever
told
He said, “How is it working with someone
you have suching such stre
How is it working with someone you
“
She said, “All of a sudden, one night, I
don’t know why it hit me
I was in my
unicorn
unicorn apartment
I was in my New York apartment
Like prom dress, but with like punk
details, like black shoes, like a Well,
she’s a warrior princess
Oh, of course
Why can I never be left alone
That’s what you get for having a
child
God say husband
That’s what you get for just not living
alone with cats
Anyway, grass is always greener
Notably, she met Jan uh Jansancy Noven
Jansancy Noonin
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She said, “I
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enveloping
I wanted it to be enveloping, calming
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I did it again
Edit that out
Hopefully that was really
fun and you’re all cracking up
If not,
we are going to be cracking up when we
hear it
So,
we’re really just here to make ourselves
laugh
Let’s be serious
111 episodes in
It’s mostly for
us
So, we don’t have a lot at the
top, but let’s go back in time a little
bit before we get into the third of our
summer series
Okay, let’s go back to way back August
14th, 1982
And this is kind of an interesting one
There’s a reason I pull it I pulled it
Um, so Drew attended little Drew, little
seven-year-old Drew, attended the
birthday party for her manager at the
time, Larry A
Thompson at Mayon
He’s
like very like um legendary manager kind
of guy in entertainment and it’s really
just cute little Drew in a sweet little
white dress hanging out with a bunch of
adults as we know like would become
common
about how it was
But I feel like this might have been
like one of the first times, you know,
that that really happened
Um
Larry did later appear on one of those
television biography specials about her
might have been Bravo profiles
It might
have been like the the original cut of
biography which like yeah that one’s not
on YouTube so I couldn’t find it but I
definitely remember an interview with
him
And then I did find something cute
where he told the Hollywood Reporter in
2016 that Drew was a star from the very
beginning
So I like that
A that’s really cute
That’s sweet
I I love this like juxaposition of
Drew with the adults that just becomes
such a staple in her childhood
Absolutely
And I think that the reason
I said this one’s kind of notable is
because this is where one of those
really famous photos of little Drew was
taken
And it looks like there’s an
empty glass next to her and it looks
like she’s passed out on the table
Really, it’s like probably a glass of
water
It’s not even necessarily in
front of her and it looks like she’s
just a bored and tired kid who’s out at
this party with all these grown-ups and
she’s seven
Like, or could it just been the
moment she just put her head down like
Yeah, it was it was used because it
could be easily construed as that, but
yeah, she wasn’t quite um
drinking yet
I mean, it would
I mean, very close, but not
very close
Wasn’t one of the first
times at like a rap party
Yeah, the
fire starter one
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[Music]
Okay, back to the beach
Oh, it’s time, baby
It is time
hit the saxophone
Um, before we get into the last two
episodes of 20,000 Malibu Road, um, just
want to say first of all, go listen to
our other two episodes covering these
because like you got to follow through
the whole thing
But, um, I did find
this really funny review, this little
paragraph here that I wanted to include
because it just cracked me up
It says,
“Four women, a brain, two bods, and a
bizarro
inhabit the most expensive and maybe the
strangest rooming house in the history
of television at 2000 Malibu Road
The strangest rooming house
This was
before um why am I forgetting what that
show was where people would like live in
a house together and they stopped being
polite and started being real
This is like right at the same time as
the
world
That’s so funny
You’re like, I
don’t remember what it’s called, but
they stop stop being polite and they
start getting real
Real world
Oh, all right
Um, so real
world with uh these three actresses or
these four actresses
So,
nothing like the real world
Um, the
final two episodes, five and six, aired
together on September 9th
Um, we had
previously said that the final episode
aired on the 16th, but we were incorrect
there
Um, so you found a whole bunch of
various like TV magazines, I’m assuming
Yeah, like newspaper listings and stuff
And it does sound like it was supposed
to go through the 16th, but I found one
that said the show was pulled from the
schedule because it aired as part of a
2-hour episode on September 9th
All episodes have aired and CBS hasn’t
decided whether to make more
So that’s what it said at that
point
Well, that’s not what happened
We’ll get into that at the end
Um, so before we like really go
beat by beat, what was your feeling
about these last ones
So, you told me they were going to
be kind of nuts
And I I felt like they
could have been more nuts
Oh, didn’t go bizarro enough for you
I don’t know
Like I think maybe I was
just expecting it to be
I don’t know
Maybe as we’re going through I’ll tell
you ways that it could have been gone
crazier
But I I almost felt like
I was like anticipating it and maybe
because some of the things are tropey
I
don’t know
Like this is definitely where
it starts feeling like a soap opera
especially like
the joy wacky stuff that um you know
isn’t necessarily what you’d have in
real life
There are multiple things that
it’s like what
A lot of what moments for me
But we’ve had those and we
still get a laugh out of the rest of the
show
We’re going to laugh a lot in this one,
I think
I think so
No different
than the others
Okay, opening scenes
We get Drew pretty
quickly in this one
Um, first we see
Munoz, the only cop in town, spying on
the house and the bushes
with binoculars
And I was like, he and
Joyce should probably like compare
spying tactics
They both have their
binoculars
And uh, someone’s finally using this big
pool at the house
And it’s our girl
Drew
And they film her in sexy slow-mo
cuz of course
Oh my god
I’m like, Joel, come on
Did
you have to do this
But she looks great
Rocking the bikini
It definitely I started thinking of like
gross comparison cuz she’s only 13 in
it
But uh Far from Home
She also rocks
a black bikini in that one
Um, so I love that this the second
Lindsay gets out of the pool, Joy is
right there to surprise her with the
towel,
genuinely like scares her a little bit
And Lindsay is really overjoy [ ] finally And we’re going to see that a lot in these last two episodes Uh, let’s play this little clip All right, let’s get a taste I saw you on the beach last night with Eric You thought I was sleeping, but I wasn’t Oh, so you spied on me No, I just wanted to make sure you were all right Well, obviously I was, [ ]
What
The come with Drew herself
Um, and then Joy, of course, launches
into more lies about why her ex dumped
her
I forget what they say his name
Byron or something
It’s kind of like an
old school name
Um, and apparently he had told It sounds
like she said he like told everyone
the whole town
that she was a [ ] because she slept with him before they got married and he wanted to marry a virgin Like, oh my god Yeah, it’s awful And then she went on to warn her, “Don’t go too far with Eric It’s just over the top ” I mean, we we kind of knew that I I mean, we suspected that maybe Joy had something to do with the separation with the person she was supposed to marry And hence why you’re like big lies It’s poor poor Lindsay And it really does a number on her She’s going to be dealing with this for most of the episode, actually Yeah, she is And I feel like she also at this point, she’s definitely like, “Joy, you’re bullshitting me Like her even like the expression in like in like some of that parts like I feel like she’s just like like this look of like disbelief like I can’t believe you’re still doing this Anyway, um so then Perry and Roger, uh Jennifer Beiels and then her stupid guy, um they pull up to the house and this is the first time where you really get like the grasp of how huge this property is in the front Like all the other episodes when they showed the exterior, it almost looked like it was just from like the street, but it’s like this huge compound And they do show a lot more of this area in these final episodes I don’t know why they didn’t utilize it before, but it’s so big and I cannot believe I can’t track it down I have like done so many reverse image searches I can’t find anything on this house Someone’s got to know So weird And maybe it’s just like gone and has been gone for a long time Like maybe it was just like completely something else was built there Yeah, it could be So yeah, then we get this really like I mean I know I’ve been saying how sweet some of their scenes are, but I love your note that he’s totally lovebombing I mean last time he asked her to move in with him, they’re like barely dating at that point and now he’s like I love you and just Yeah I was like [ ]
this guy
Like I am not buying this at
all
I just I also had to note that she said
like she’s afraid now
But in this case,
she’s like talking about like her fiance
or husband like died, so she’s afraid to
be in love again
Um, but she does seem like more
tentative in this scene about him than
she does in others maybe
Like I don’t
know
Like she’s saying I I’m falling in
love with you
She doesn’t respond to
his like
she almost says it against her will,
right
That’s what I mean
Like she
seems like not quite sure
A little nervous about it
That’s why she’s the brain
All right, the next scene, Jade has some
big news, of course
So, it starts out with Lindsay
She’s
still trying to get some advice about
men
She’s just so poor Lindsay
She
just doesn’t know how to do anything
And this time, she’s asking Jade, but
it’s kind of like, can I make an
appointment with you later to talk about
this
They don’t really get a chance to
talk about it before the others join
them
So, Jade tells everybody that they’re
going to have to look for a new place to
live
Um, and Joyy’s like, “Oh, that’s
great for you, Perry, because she just
spent two whole nights in a row with
Roger
” I’m like, “Oh my god, let’s jump
the gun a little bit here
” So, yeah,
out of nowhere, Jade introduces her
fiance, this like gross guy that we met
in the previous episode, and everyone
seems pretty like stoked for her, which
is kind of weird that they can’t sense
the weirdness of it, but I don’t know
Um, and Perry is the one who’s like kind
of thinking about it, like you said, the
brain
Um, unfortunately, Joy is just
being a weird creep and says, “May I
kiss the groom
So weird
She’s always got to be horny
Like that’s part of her character
And somehow like she’s just weird
enough that like people just let her do
it
Um,
I also think it’s funny that like right
after that there’s like this cute like
it seems like Joy, Perry, and Lindsay
are like kind of like giggling together
about it
It’s a little It’s a little weird, but
it’s kind of cute
I do really love how Drew looks in this
scene
We should have mentioned it
She’s wearing just like a bathrobe and
sunglasses, and she looks super glam
Like, this is only one of the times I’m
like, “Yeah, she looks like she could be
like a famous actress, you know
“
So cute
She does look really cute
And there’s a horribly disgusting scene
right after this with Jade’s mom and the
fiance and they’re just treating her
like absolute [ ] Like it’s it’s like freaky how bad it gets Um the guy even says that when they get married he can come home to his very own full-time personal hooker So disgusting And her mom’s like right there And he also admits he’s marrying her for the money and to aid him in his political ambitions Like he’s like, I must have a wife Like it’s just all really gross Like even before the personal hooker thing, he’s like, I’ll go out with whoever I want and then I’ll come home to my full-time push hooker and you’re always going to say yes to me Like but like pretty soon after this, I’m pretty sure she like hits him in the balls and then walks away Like totally deserves like gets in her car and she’s out of there And that’s I think it on him I think he’s he’s like, “Never mind This isn’t worth it ” For this episode at least I mean, yeah So, we have another scene with Jade and her friend, client lawyer, dude It’s It’s weird because at this point, I mean, he always seems like slimy Um she like is kind of asking him to help her sort of like run away Like get her out of the country, which he’s like telling her not to do at first, but then he he like encourages her to go to a motel with a fake name in a disguise He’s like a dark wig He acts like it’s all off the cuff, but he like has a name prepared for her and everything Do you think, And it’s still unclear to me even after being completely done Is he working for her family I can’t don’t know Determined I guess I guess what I was I was thinking is that the voice that maybe she hears later is like her dad or you know or somebody like that I was thinking that too I was actually listening for that and I just couldn’t tell We’ll we’ll explain that when we get to the end of the episode But that might be a clue that we would have gotten more information on But who knows So Lindsay and Eric are on the beach together and um Lindsay’s a little testy at first because she’s being affected by Joyy’s lies about her being a [ ] and she
thinks like, you know, maybe Eric’s only
interested in her for sex, but he’s just
like, “No, like we’re good
” Like he
charms her really quickly with
sweetness
He like he really deals with
her really well throughout the entire
show
He seems to like bring her kind of
back down out of these like places that
usually Joy is bringing her
Yeah, exactly
And I do absolutely love
when Joy shows up to interrupt them
He
does a really great groan
I didn’t cue
it up, but he’s just like
And then Joy takes Lindsay away to go
practice lines
You know, Joy, he’s actually very nice
Yeah, that’s because he hasn’t gotten
what he wants yet
You know, all men
cannot be as bad as you say they are
Oh, Lindsay, you are so young and so
naive
I wish you could stay this week
And I’m sorry that I have to be the one
to tell you just how gross and
animalistic the male species really is
Do you think at a later point we would
have learned that like some dude did a
number on Joy
cuz I feel like she’s
always like projecting this like
hatefulness towards men
Except no,
she’s not really because she wants every
dude she comes in contact with
It’s
really I guess just on Lindsay’s behalf
that all men are
but also like the way she is around
other people in general is weird
Really
weird
Like
true
I don’t we I don’t know what’s up with
Joy
Like
I don’t have a clue
I think she’s
overprotective of Lindsay obviously and
is making up like making putting things
whatever taking things out of
proportion
blowing things out of proportion
Thank you
So
then um Perry’s not able to reach Roger
of course
and
after this like love bomb
And um and then and also Sergeant Munoz
stops by
Okay, so Munoz is admitting to
unofficially
trailing Jade because he thinks she’s in
danger
Um, which is cool
Like he’s
paying attention like we said earlier in
this or last episode, I think
I mean, it’s a good thing the only cop
in town is paying attention
Um, and he’s not able to find any legit
information on Jade’s lawyer/friend
So,
we already get this like you were so
like right away like this guy is [ ] I hate him He starts off trying to drown her in the ocean in the very beginning That’s right And I couldn’t remember that Um, so Perry at this point in the episode is like visibly buzzed and she’s like kind of like being a little like casual with the cop, but I feel like they all are a little bit I don’t know Well, no, I think she does feel like she’s being a little flirty with him I like how you said a little familiar in your notes And and you can tell like because the scene ends with him being like do me a favor and drink some black coffee before you drive She’s like, “Oh ” She’s like looking at her wine glass Is it that obvious Of course, this is like a continuation of the like them pushing that she’s like drinking a lot of wine so it never goes anywhere No, it does I mean, doesn’t seem to Um, so it turns out that Jade’s friend, this lawyer quote unquote, was just renting his office, a furnished office week to week He he Perry finds out cuz she goes there She goes there and they’re like cleaning it out He moved out Um and then later Perry discovers that there’s no one with his name registered to practice law in the state So officially a fraud What a piece of [ ] He didn’t expect
the brain to be investigating this, did
he
So now this is this was the first
moment where I was like what what is
this soap opera craziness
So
we see Roger or so we think walking
walking down some street
I don’t know
what he’s doing
And somebody stops him
and he’s like, “Hey Roger, we played
football together
And he’s like I get is he’s either a
split personality or an evil twin
Very
doppelgangeres
And he says, “I ain’t never played no
football
“
He’s like wearing a leather black
leather jacket
He doesn’t look like surfer guy anymore
And I just couldn’t help but think
like maybe this version did actually
sexually assault his ex
Oh, I think for sure
I mean, once we get to the end of this
episode, I was like, “Oh,
yeah
Um, I do like that Joy says to
Perry, “Don’t tell me that miserable
flaky Roger did another disappearing
act
” And I was like, “Yes, that’s what
I’ve been saying, girl
“
And then I She also says, “If that
psycho hasn’t killed him, I promise you
I will
“
What a good friend, huh
Perfectly perfectly joy, too
I guess
she’s protective of everyone
Everyone who’s in her corner, I guess,
right
So now I guess this Jessica Rally
show thing cuz it’s back on
You know,
it’s whatever for now
They’re in
they’re in a meeting for the show
It
sounds like they’re going to maybe do a
run through
And you notice that Drew is wearing the
same dress and earrings from the first
scene in episode 1
Her hair even
looks the same
I’m like, did they film
these simultaneously
But it also
doesn’t feel like they planned out the
show like that far in advance
But I I
bet they filmed the six episodes like
together
Yeah, probably
I’d be interested to
know like it’s it’s so she looks exactly
the same
So,
do we and we do we know the timeline
We
do know the timeline of they of their
filming
So, it probably is
We have like an idea
It’s pretty short
window
So, they probably just filmed them all,
but that would be really weird if they
had something like this far into Well,
who knows
It’s very possible
Um, so of course Joy has some notes on
the script
Um, like she shouldn’t even
be sitting at this table
Let’s be real
No, it doesn’t make any sense
Um, she
says she’s like very adamant that the
writers aren’t capturing Lindsay’s
character, so she took the liberty to
hire a freelancer so she could, you
know, get the young stuff in there
And
this just like completely starts a
like everyone is just so embarrassed
Lindsay embarrassed
Like Scott’s so
embarrassed
Who cares about Scott
But
like he’s so embarrassed
And Jessica is pissed and she’s gonna
quit if Lindsay and her sister don’t
leave the show
So, you know, you can
fill in the blanks here
Drew’s going to
be fired again
Project’s on
Project’s off
Right after this, Scott like phys
like physically pushes Joy out of the
office and locks the door
Like,
you think she’s even like rattling the
door handle
Like, can you imagine what everyone in
this room would think after this
Oh my
goodness
I mean, I know like Joy is
representing herself, thankfully
Well,
I guess she’s representing Drew
Hence,
not Drew, but Lindsay
Um, but of
course, she pulls something that she
both gets her the job and then [ ] it up Of course You’re right She’s like getting wins and losses all the time So Joy and Scott who just had this weird like blowout There’s a lot of like editing choices where I’m like uh your mood in this scene and then your mood in the next scene are really all over the place This is weird So uh Joy and Scott are taking a walk on the beach and it’s like romantic kind of So it’s like we know that we know that Joy wants this, right So, right after Lindsay’s fired, Scott is prepared to have sex with Joy to pay her back for how she’s helped his career He literally says he’s prepared Like, he had to like get himself to this point So, she tricks him into getting naked on the beach I mean, I love her little speech to him We’ve got to play this Absolutely Let me clue you in, little man I will have Lindsay’s career and you on my terms Lindsay will be the biggest star this town has ever seen And I will have you on the floor howling like a dog begging for me And that’s followed by her literally taking his clothes and yelling that he’s a pervert to strangers as he stands there naked And she’s just like yelling after him, Joy It’s pretty great It’s so good Her like turning that around on him I did not expect it, but I love it Howling like a dog So, we’re back to Jade and her stupid fake lawyer or friend He gives her a fake passport I did get a really good 90s giggle out of him going, “I had one of the Polaroids I took of you altered by computer Isn’t that great ” That’s so good and he’s says he has her all set up on a corporate jet to Brazil So full of [ ]
And then this weird scene where he
confesses his love for her again and he
offers to join her
But the whole time
she has her back to him and she’s not
responding to anything
She’s completely
ignoring him like she can’t hear him
So
he’s able to temporarily pull a gun on
her without her noticing
Oh, is he gonna shoot her
I
don’t know
But he can’t
It’s so dramatic
And then it goes back
down
She doesn’t notice anything
She like
literally is in her own world
It’s
hilarious
And then that’s followed by them
making love
Screw cuz he sucks
And also like why does he want to kill
her
Like what is his deal
We will
never know
I mean, we will never know
I was going to say, wait, we’ll see
No,
we won’t
Maybe he was hired to do this whole
scheme on her and then he ended up
actually having feelings for her
I
don’t know
Well, probably based on how he was
seemed to be like, I’m supposed to do
this when he’s like having a gun at her
and then
slowly backs down
I think you’re right
They’re just he’s
just too, you know, he’s too in love
with her
So, we’re at the coffee table with Perry
and Joy and they’re reading the
newspaper and Joy reads that Jessica
Rally’s dude has run off with her
personal trainer and apparently that’s
like the ultimate karma according to
Joy
Do we think Joy had something to
do with this
It feels like she’s taking credit for
it
I don’t know how she could make that
happen
I
I don’t know
But I did notice that when
they were when um Jess when they were at
the table for Jessica Relly’s reading
that like as they as Jessica and like
her guy were leaving, he was like, “I
thought you were going to try to get me
a port
So like could have heard that and
exploited it
Very true
Um we’re at the motel again and how
convenient
Mun knows has been called
there because he’s the only cop in town
because there’s been some sort of
vandalism
it’s not part of the story
And then he sees Jade’s car and this
will come into play later
So very lucky
that he’s the only cop who could come
around
Very lucky
Um and guess what
Guess what happens to Lindsay
again
Um she started filming a show
She’s been fired yet again
Let’s
hear what she has to say about even
she’s starting to understand this is a
pattern
Lindsay, what are you doing
I thought
you’d be working
Take a guess
Don’t tell me you got fired again
I knew it was coming
So did we, Lindsay
Yeah, we knew this was just going to be
this loop over and over and over again
Um, but she’s getting snappy with him
still for that thing that Joy put in her
head and she ends up asking him, “Do you
want me for your movie or do you want me
for sex
“
And he does handle it pretty well
Really well
I mean, she says something like, “Oh, I
want us to have like a professional
relationship if I’m going to do this
with you
” And um he says something
like, “Well, I didn’t expect us to be
platonic
He’s like, “That’s not really
that’s not really what I want, but I’ll
respect it
” Like, he’s great, but I am
getting sick of this reoccurring theme
in the show where every dude is telling
the women, “I’m not going to hurt you
You can trust me
” like with him I
believe it at least but it’s like every
show
right there’s it like later there’s a
Muno thing that’s about trust
um okay so now we have a stretch of a
lot of no Drew but we’ll just give you
guys some updates since this show is
ending
no Drew but lots of drama
yes so Perry’s in her office she can’t
re reach Roger or Jade so she’s like
kind of worried um and then a fax the
fax machine starts you know fax is
coming through
She’s looking at it
Do you guys know what a fax is
Good question
I feel like most of our
audience will, but uh if you don’t h how
do we describe it
It like predates email
It’s like a copy machine, but you’re
getting a message
Um so, uh a text or a text, not a text,
a fax comes through and it says, “You’re
dead
” Like a ransom note
And I like
the unnecessary quotation marks around
it
It’s so good
Like who’s quote who’s
being quoted here
But when I say ransom
note, if you guys don’t know what I
mean, it’s like the cutout letters that
are all janky
And then of course they are able to
trace that it came from a public fax
machine at a drugstore which is a mile
from Perry’s house
So like
somebody close by
But you know, we’re supposed to think
it’s Allison the the psycho ex
And we
never find out
Sorry to tell you guys
We never find out who’s sending her all
these messages
Is it like the evil
Roger
I mean, probably
Probably
I’ll just take us back to the last
episode when we were joking about like,
wouldn’t you have heard somebody um
breaking into the house before they
spray paint
So, maybe he literally is doing it, his
other personality
Well, well, who would
write that
I don’t know
None of it really makes any sense
And
like you said, we won’t have uh we won’t
have any any resolution
All right
Now, this this was another
scene where I was like, “Oh boy, we are
in soap opera territory
” So, Joy is in
the bathtub and she’s making a Scott
voodoo doll and stabbing it repeatedly
with little pins
And not just that, she also has a spell
She does
Let’s enjoy this
Scott Sterling,
heartless lover, faithless friend
I
evoke the power that will bring your
crimes against women to an end
It’s so good
We love Joy
I love that the voodoo doll like has his
actual face, like a picture of his face
on it, too
It’s not just like, you
know, a faceless
uh It’s so great
and I think it works
I mean, based on the fact that yes, they
show him unable to perform with a woman
in the bedroom like that like right as
it’s happening
and he’s like all sweaty looking
I I
honestly I thought we were going to get
him going like h like you know as if he
was being poked with pins
But this this
was good enough
It was good
And then it comes back
later and it’s it’s really it’s just so
silly
It’s like
yeah, you can keep thinking that this
woo woo stuff Joy is doing
Well, it’s something’s happening
Something seems to be happening
She has some power,
right
So, we’re at Jessica Ry’s
hotel suite
And um it’s just full of
flowers and balloons
And I’m like,
really
People sent these to her because
her guy like dumped her
It just feels a
little silly
Over the top
Over the top
Over the top
And of course, who’s
knocking at the door
And yet
again, someone groans at the sight of
her
Yes,
Jess was just like,
“Yes,
yes, she is
“
And I was definitely picking up on what
you mentioned last episode where Joy
sometimes has this like Kitty Farmer
from Donnie Darkco vibe
And it’s that
like impassioned over-the-top
whoa whoa whoa whoa kind of talking
I
like totally heard it here
I don’t your commitment to
sparkle motion
Um, so Joy of course is trying to
comfort Jessica and it’s really
hilarious because she’s talking about
the fact that there’s like alcohol in
the suite and um like is she tempted and
Jessica like admits like opening the
cabinet and then resisting but she like
keeps talking about she’s eating all
these snacks to cope which is really
funny
That I know that comes up a lot
and it feels very again in the like fat
shaming like oh she ate food like oh she
must be really troubled
It’s so silly
And then of course she insists that
they go to an AA meeting again because
she’s going to just try to whatever smoo
some more
I
I don’t understand Joy
I mean
obviously
Um so then we go back to
Jade’s motel
So, we turn to the place
where the cops saw Jade’s car
Um, I
love your note here
I’m
laughing at my own note cuz there’s like
very moody neon lighting like all
through this scene
And I was like, “Oh,
this is like Joel Schumacher practicing
for Batman Forever
” Cuz that’s like how
that whole movie looks
That’s the only time like the style that
we might imagine from that comes
through
Everything else is just like
bright and soap opery
So, the guy from the very first scenes
in the first episode
makes his way to Jade’s room with a gun
Um, she almost gets away to her car, but
then this dude catches up and Munos is
there
He’s not just there
He literally
slides in sideways on his motorcycle,
flips a giant table to use as a shield
and then shoots the guy through the
window
Like it is dramatic,
right
And I was just like that was the
murderer, right
Like I was like trying
to figure out like wait
And we I mean
we don’t really know, I guess
But
he is the one who brought the woman with
her and then she’s the one who was found
dead
Yeah, it’s likely
But that is just like out of
nowhere it just gets like super
dramatic
Um
action
and yeah, Muno shoots a guy
Yeah, he sure does
That’s just like
kind of never really Yeah, that’s just
what happened
And we’re good
We’ll
we’ll move on
So now, even though Perry hasn’t
been able to reach Roger, he just shows
up at the Malibu house almost
immediately saying he doesn’t have much
time, which is so [ ] annoying and he is just full of his [ ] excuses
He’s like saying, “Oh,
I have to get my taxes in order and my
divorce and
I do like at first Perry sort of stands
her ground
” She says, “I know
everyone’s supposed to be laidback out
here by the beach, but I’m not like
that
” And I was like, “Yeah
” But all
he has to do is get a little bit like
puppy dog eyes
And she forgives him and
agrees to meet him in Carmel
And I’m
just like, “So much for her being the
brain
Don’t do it, girl
But I also like it’s like there’s more
love bombing happening here, of course
But she kind of seems to like it because
then she’s like, “You could ask me to
beg a little bit more
” Like she’s like
playing with it a little bit at least
So it works on her
We know it works on
her, I guess, because
Yeah
So, um, so more scenes between
Jade and Ron
Is that his name
Saying my name’s Ron
[Music]
Quick editor’s note
Uh, the character
of Sergeant Munoz in credits online says
that his name was Joe Munoz
And in this
episode, for the first time, he
introduces himself as Ron, which is the
actor’s actual name
Anyways, back to
the show
Sergeant
My name’s Ron
Um, they’re back at the scene of the
crime, but basically they’re there, the
cops are like around, they show all the
lights, and then they show Jade and
she’s no longer wearing the wig that she
was wearing in the previous scene, and
her hair looks like perfect, like just
right
Of course it does
Um, and then Munoz tells her the truth
about her stupid like quote unquote
lawyer lawyer friend Hal
Um, and then
Jade makes up a story to Munos’s boss so
he wouldn’t get in trouble
Yeah, cuz he’s like not supposed to be
working on the case
She makes up a real
convoluted story
I I like couldn’t even
follow it
But, uh, she’s like doing him
a solid cuz he saved her life, right
So, okay
And then there’s there’s something
weird here
I guess I didn’t catch it,
but I think he gives her a ride home on
his motorcycle
Even though her car was at the motel
Maybe she was too shaken up to drive
I
don’t know
I guess that makes sense
But it’s also
funny because there’s Well, there’s a
scene later where she’s like, he says
something about the motorcycle and she
like says she doesn’t mind
I’m like,
wait, you already had a scene earlier
where she was riding on it
Like, I
didn’t even catch that
But it
definitely seems like they’re setting up
a romance with these two
And
totally, I you’ll see later on
I’m
like, “Yeah, I knew it
” Um, but that’s
cute because I thought he was going to
be more of a like love triangle with
Perry
Like I thought it’d be like I
don’t know
I just saw them as having a
little bit of chemistry, too
So,
yeah
Interesting there
It is a little interesting
So, we get the sisters by the pool
This
is I didn’t make a note about this, but
I almost was wondering if this was
actually Drew in this scene because you
never get a closeup of her
It’s very
far away
And when she gets out of the
pool, they shoot her from like the like
ankles, you know, like
And it’s just
strange
Like there’s no close-up of
her
But anyway,
that’s weird
So, we get like 3 seconds of at
least TR’s voice and she tells Joy that
she’s going to go meet the homeless girl
um that she’s like the character in
Eric’s script that she’s going to play
is based on
And then she quickly pieces
out because Scott arrives and she says,
“That guy gives me the creeps
” He
should be feeling more than that
I like how she says it like loud
right in front of him
He did like assault you in the first
episode
Yes, he did
Um and of course he’s there
to ask Joy to remove the hex off of him
He literally says, “I want you to take
your hex off me, you witch
” Like how
would he know that
But this is the best part is that like
his urologist, his doctor
apparently told him that the only
explanation for his problem of male
sexual inac inadequacy is a hex
That’s some science right there
That’s
some medical science
Have you had any women recently who
might who you might have upset
This is
who might be a little witchy
They like crystals and astrology
That’s the only explanation I have
Um,
oh my god
So, the the tree
are here, which are Jade’s parents, and
they’re suddenly going to go home, and
they’re totally fine with her not
marrying that guy, and there’s like no
resolution there whatsoever
Maybe there was a hex on them, too
Ah,
maybe
Good job, Joy
And then there’s
this really upsetting, creepy scene
where they’re saying goodbye to her and
the stepdad is like slowly looming in
menacingly towards her for a kiss
goodbye
It goes on forever until she
like turns and runs away
It is so
gross,
right
So weird
It’s creepy and is weird because no time
before that do we have any I guess we
know he’s an [ ] Well, I mean, she does when they have that scene where she’s like trying to blackmail him, she says like, “I’ll tell everybody and she never says what ” So, I’m like, “Oh, he abused her her whole life ” Or it’s awful I hate it Let’s move on to something nicer We get more shots of this huge property There’s like a whole ass lagoon like gazebo I guess you’d call that area They’ve never shown this It’s Can we believe it’s on the same property Like do they show enough to make it look like it is Yeah, I think so because the entryway to the house is very specific and when um like there’s some tracking shots It looks like it’s all the same place in my opinion So Perry and Jade are sitting out in this gazebo and they have a talk about the fake lawyer dude and Jade tells her she doesn’t have to move out anymore And for some reason she’s suddenly like in a really good mood Like this is the best mood we’ve seen Jade in for this entire show Even though the last scene is her running away in slow motion to again this again This not really sensical dicho or not dichotomy justosition Oh my god So weird But like I’m like why didn’t Jade tell Perry about the shooting I don’t know Like she doesn’t even mention it There might be something in the newspaper related to my case and that’s like all she tells her, right She doesn’t like I don’t know give you any give her any more information Ah maybe she I don’t know Maybe she thinks Perry will be jealous that Munoz showed up Just kidding So then we get this scene where um Lindsay is on the beach where the homeless are with Eric and the kids there are sharing their stories with Lindsay and Eric Um and of course Joy shows up because of course she does Before we get into what happens in this scene, Drew’s hair here is like very it’s first of all, it’s the very yellowy blonde it’s been the whole episode, but it’s more like sllicked back and straight and gelled and it was giving me big time Tori Spelling mid9s vibes And Tori has admitted to like copying Drew style in the mid ‘9s So, I have to wonder if there’s an inspiration here There’s like that little flip at the bottom which I feel like really feels like Tori spelling Okay, so Lindsay is telling Joy about the homeless girl And let’s listen to this because Joy is such a [ ]
Hi
I’m sort of busy right now
So, is that the girl you’re going to be
playing in Eric’s movie
That’s Annie
Her mother threw out when
she was 12 years old
The pimp got her
hooked on heroin and turned her on the
streets, and now she’s 17 and dying of
AIDS
You’re going to play a teenage runaway
addicted to drugs, homeless hooker with
AIDS in Eric’s movie
What an attractive screen debut for you
Also, I just had this like lightning
bolt moment of um realization
That’s
like what that Sublime song is about
Annie’s 12 years old
just gonna be a
horror the wrong way,
right
Yeah,
I know you, Bradley Null
You’re
watching 2000 Malibu
That’s so funny
Okay, so then um Lindsay is saying like
this movie she thinks it’s going to be
like the best thing that’s ever happened
to her and she knows about Joy
pretending to be an alcoholic to go to
these AA meetings with Jessica
Like
she’s totally calling her out
So,
finally
Yes, finally
So, I’m helping Jessica with her
recovery
No, you’re using a serious illness like
alcoholism to kiss her butt, and I think
it’s pathetic, and it’s never going to
work because she doesn’t like me, and
I’m not right for the part anyway
But then, yeah, Joy goes on to say that
she’s like going to get rid of Jessica
Like,
yeah, it’s going to now be the like the
Lindsay rule show or some [ ] Yeah, she is Once again, she there’s no like limit that she won’t go Like what is she talking about Killing her Like what the hell Oh, I just realized the making her drink again Final scene She’s going to make her drink again I do like how Drew’s voice is just like, I’m so fed up with you You know, you can really hear it It’s so good So Munos and Jade take a walk And again, I’m like I’m having whiplash Like all of a sudden, she’s like super hostile to him and she’s accusing him of working for her parents out of nowhere It makes no sense I do like his response He says, “I’m not for sale I’m not a trick And I’m not working for your parents ” And then, of course, just like every other dude on the show, he says like, “You can trust me I’m not going to hurt you ” The same old lines that they’re all saying How can that that not just be like a broken record at that point like guys just saying trust me I know we like Muno, but we don’t know where this would have gone I It’s just such an odd scene that comes out of nowhere and doesn’t go anywhere It’s also seems weird like Jade’s outfit in that scene is like Yeah, I noticed it too Almost like nude dress with like gold chain straps Like I’m like what is this You can take the sex worker out of the sex, but you I something like that Something like that So then we see Joy go to a place called Eva’s Psychic Supplies cuz of course, right Right on the nose So Joy walks in Um she tells her about the love spell she’s cast on Scott and she says it’s this selfish jerk who might be her soulmate I do kind of love that she’s like really into him even though, you know, she’s she’s not very nice to him They don’t have a good friendship, but like part of her just wants him She wants begging for her like a dog because she’s so cool You’re so cool So, the psychic Eva is just scandalized by the fact that Joy used a voodoo spell to harm him And I love her response to this Yes, you worked on a spell to harm him Well, I was just fooling around I didn’t think it would really work Amateurs I just really like Pepper It’s so dumb It’s so good It’s so good And um and of course she says like Joy has released the power of evil and is in grave danger And then she says, “No one escapes their karmic dues ” And like Joy Joy does look scared Oh yeah, she she knows this is real, right [Music] Another small editor’s note here The psychic is played by an actress named Ivonne D Carlo, who was the original Lily Monster from the TV show The Monsters from the 1960s Pretty cool All right, so we’ve got a little bit of girl talk in Jade’s room Um, Jade is trying to loan some lingerie to Perry because I think she’s going to go on she’s going to go to Carmel, meet up with Roger Lindsay’s hair in this scene is already totally different The Tory Spelling straightness is gone and there’s like curls back in her hair, but it’s supposed to be the same day, so that cracked me up Um, and then we get this very long, very heavy-handed PSA about safe sex, which is like, it’s great that they’re doing that, but it’s so like you cannot help but roll your eyes at some of these lines And it’s so long Like, we can’t play the whole thing We’ll just get some of the best parts in here So, what do you use I’ve always used condoms Whether you sleep with Eric or not, you know, I don’t know if that’s right, but if you decide to, you have to protect yourself Yeah, but Eric is I mean, he looks so healthy I mean, I know that he doesn’t have AIDS It doesn’t matter Even if he’s been tested, there’s a six-month latency period where the virus doesn’t show up You have to take responsibility for yourself So, like after school special, you think it’s going to be like, “Okay, that’s enough ” And then it’s like, you know, a guy really respects a girl who’s prepared And I love that Like but he’ll have one I don’t need to worry about it But he looks so healthy It’s Yeah, it’s kind of great, but also heavy-handed and kind of funny Yeah, I do kind of love this in just position to Drew’s female condom commercial that she did four years later, though, where she’s like, “You better protect yourself, girl This is simple Communication is the key What did you do to protect yourself today ” The female condom some fatal disease did fall upon you How simple all of a sudden it would be to have protected yourself I like that Jade really got through to her and now she’s just What did you do to protect yourself So, even though Drew looks totally different than earlier, it’s supposed to be the same day She looks so lovely Yeah, I really like this outfit I would totally wear this top And yes, she’s beautiful There’s some really good close-ups in this scene that I looked of her When there’s that serious conversation happening about safe sex, there are some beautiful shots of Drew So, while you’re getting your safe sex information, you’re getting some like gorgeous imagery There you go All right So, Munos is back at the house He says his guys have found Allison, the crazy ex, quote unquote And Allison said she’d been out of town at her sister, so they can’t do anything unless she makes another move And Perry’s super pissed about all this And Roger’s still MIA, by the way They can’t find him anymore Of course he is And on Munos’s way out, Jade runs out and apologizes to him and they set up a date And I was right There’s a little little something going on with these two I got to say, she feels like very much like the adult of the series, right How old do you think she was Because I looked it up and I was like, “Oh my god ” Younger or older than you think younger reput, right You just tell me what you think You’re right on She comes I mean like she comes off like she could be over 40 or like so much younger than me, right You know, and like she’s just that’s not the way that her character feels It’s just kind of No, I mean I’m just I’m guessing not like Okay If I was guessing like how old the character is supposed to be, I might say like in her 40s So, we’re back on the beach at the homeless encampment and it’s the same day Lindsay’s wearing the same outfit So, I’m like, “Okay, she must have just taken a lunch break She went up back to the house to find out about condoms Now, she’s back down there ” But she also curled her hair even more So, this is the third time this day that her hair has changed Cracked me up That is really funny Like, there was no like continuity Like, no, not at all So, after hearing the stories um that all these homeless kids were um telling about their lives, um Eric is like kind of like getting really romantic and saying he doesn’t want to waste any time He’s really realizing how short life is and he doesn’t want to miss out on any love and immediately tells her he loves her and she reciprocates, which is really sweet, but it’s also like it this one feels more earned at least I’m like, “Yeah, they’ve been having Yeah, I I’ll let them have their love ” Or maybe it’s just Drew so good at acting in love I love you, Erica I don’t I don’t know Um, this is crazy I love you, too I’m totally nuts about you Just kiss me Just kiss me Just kiss me And then heavy make out Heavy make out And it it goes on for like a while These two get the smooches in And then they make plans to spend the night together The next night, of course, she says, “After Joy falls asleep, I’ll come over ” But they’re basically like planning to be together like Yeah If this was um Why can’t I think of what show Wait, we’re just talking about Save by the Bell before because it comes up in my life a lot All right, so M we’re getting towards the end, guys This is like the big finale So Munos comes over and brings a tape to the house for Jade He found it in the the van of that guy that he shot And I’m like, this is how police handle evidence, right Like he hasn’t even listened to it himself He brings it over for her to listen When they’re a one maybe two person police department, apparently he’s just like, “Jay’s my partner now Jay, you got to tell me what’s on this tape So, she hears on the tape her lawyer friend setting her up for the murder, like framing her, and it feels like she recognizes the other voice in this conversation, but I could not I even literally held the speaker up to my ear and I’m like, it’s just some anonymous dude as far as I can tell And they also like I feel like Munoz asks her if she recognizes it and maybe they don’t even have her say or they end it on like a cliffhanger of her looking like like really surprised Yeah, totally Um All right So now there’s this huge storm Like it’s just like wild storm outside and Joy is like saying she’s about to go out which is kind of funny Um Lindsay is being kind of snippy with her Um, but she says that she’s got to go out because she needs to secure Lindsay’s future You’re going out in this weather When I come back, I’ll have secured your career forever Then you’ll know who really is on your side Joy, please Please, Joy, please And Joy is a little suspicious when Lindsay said she’s not going anywhere She’s just taking a shower, which like I don’t know why you would be suspicious of that, but okay And she goes and snoops through Lindsay’s purse, which I noticed has a daisy print on it again The daisy so early in Drew’s Daisy Times It’s so fun And she finds condoms When does she have time to go get those So Lindsay catches her and of course a fight ensues Of course it does You’re sleeping with him, aren’t you You didn’t hear a word I said You’re going through my stuff Give me those No, Lindsay He’s going to hurt you You don’t understand We’re in love and it’s none of your business anyway This is my business I’m your sister Yeah, but you’re not my keeper This is ridiculous I was actually going to wait until you fell asleep to sneak out afterwards Joy, I love you, but you can’t manipulate me anymore Yeah, girl Ooh, I love thunder in the background The thunder crash So, she’s like, you can’t anymore I also noticed she’s wearing her necklace even in this scene where she’s like in a towel I think she also wears it in the pool, right I’m not going to scroll back up So, she never took it off probably I swear this is like a Jamie Walters necklace and she would not take it off the whole time they were together That is I’m calling it now One point we’re going to find out that’s true Yeah, probably So Joy is telling Lindsay that she thinks there’s an evil curse on her and Lindsay’s reply is like, “You’re really becoming pathetic ” And just like leaves But of course, like Joy hasn’t been telling her about all the crazy [ ]
she’s been involved in
So like
that’s true
She has no idea
Yeah,
exactly
So, Joy calls Jessica Raleigh sweet and
I was like, I love how this famous movie
star is just staying under her real name
and anybody can go to her room, call it,
right
And she invites her to an AA meeting
because, oh, Jessica’s been eating a
bunch of chips and ice cream, so
trouble
Uh, and then while she’s
inviting her, she’s like packing a full
bottle of liquor
So, I think your
theory is right
And I even like wrote it while I
was watching like, “Oh, she’s probably
get her drunk and blackmail her to give
Lindsay the job back or the whole case
or to get make her look so bad or make
you go back to rehab or whatever it is
to make her fall off the wagon
Um, all right
So, then we get one of
the like most dramatic and kind of
amazing
amazing
scenes, which is
the the storm is just getting crazier
Joyy’s like trying to close the doors,
but they’re like flying open
She like
can’t control them
And then she gets
struck by lightning
Like it’s not even super clear
It’s
like the lightning flashes and then you
just see her fall to the ground
But Lindsay like runs in to help her
And this is it
This is our wrap on Drew
for the entire series
Let’s
hear her last lines in 2000 Malibu Road
Are you okay
That’s it
Wrap on true
I mean, you even hear the like lightning
crash back before that
So, it’s like,
how did Lindsay know
Either way, rap on Drew
Oh, I’m sort of
sad
I’m not going to lie
It was fun to
see her in all these different like
scenarios and outfits and stuff
All right
We got to also wrap up the
entire series on everybody
So, the
final scene, Perry is working late in
her office and I’m like, why is she
always working in the dark with a small
little desk lamp
And she calls Roger’s room in Carmel and
leaves a message with her flight arrival
time
And as she’s leaving her office,
going to the parking garage, I think
she’s being followed and uhoh, it’s a
guy in a black leather jacket
It’s the
evil Roger
It’s sucks
Yeah, it sucks
And she like thinks he’s joking at
first
and then pretty quickly he tells her,
“I’m not Roger
” And attacks her
And so I’m like, he probably did
I
think I said it earlier, but he probably
did attack and rape Allison
I think
that’s what we’re supposed to take away
from it
But also like yeah, split personality
Like what is it
Because he seemed to
maybe really believe that he didn’t do
it, but also he’s a sch smoozer
So who
knows
We won’t know the end
I know that’s the end of the entire
series is this attack
It’s just awful
It’s like not how you want this show to
end, but it’s how it did at least in the
US
So okay, let’s talk about this
weirdness
and we have to mention it, but I’m also
like there’s a huge grain of salt with
all of this for me because I cannot
track down like legitimate information
So on Wikipedia
there is a rumored international extra
ending for the show and the only source
that they list is this book about
melodramatic miniseries
And there’s a
tiny tiny little paragraph in that book
I went and looked it up and it says, you
know, it aired in the US as a six
episode pilot for like a continual show
and it ended with a cliffhanger which
was resolved by a voiceover epilogue
added in for overseas audiences
Okay,
so I cannot find that anywhere
Like all
we can go off of is what is in
uh Wikipedia, which I’m like, well, who
came up with this because there’s a lot
of details here,
right
So, I think I’m just kind of
assuming that this is like a
transcription of the narration, but
again, we don’t know and we might we
might never know
I mean,
so I’m going to briefly summarize it
There’s a lot of details if you want to
go to the Wikipedia, but basically it
says that when it was screened overseas,
so I’m like, that’s not even specific as
to what country it was, right
Um, there
was extra scenes where the stepdad’s men
shoot the fake lawyer guy, make it look
like a suicide, and have a confession
that he did the murder that Jade was
accused of, which like I could see that
And that like there’s another scene
where Munoz breaks the news to Jade that
all the charges have been dropped
And
then so like,
who knows
And then supposedly now we
get that closing narration that goes
over like montage of archive footage
wrapping up uh like resolutions for all
the characters
Apparently it says here’s just like a
couple lines
So Jade married Munoz and
had a child
That’s why I
looked up her age, by the way
I was
like have a child
I thought she was in
her 40s
Not that I, you know, didn’t
have a baby in my 40s, but in the It was
the ‘9s, guys
That wasn’t so normal
It’s true
So, then it says Joyce
survived being struck by lightning and
went back to Chicago to teach astrology
at a local college
Oh, Chicago is
Oh, is that where they’re from
I don’t know
Remember we were talking
about it
I think is Chicago considered the
Midwest
I’m going to Google this
probably
I think
but I thought they were from like a
small town
H maybe they never even say
it’s considered the Midwest, but you
know, but I don’t know
Um, and then
Lindsay became a world famous actress,
of course
All right, that was the plan all along
And Harry, this is so sad
Harry had a
breakdown after her rape and ended up
institutionalized
Oh my god
Like whether this is real or someone
just made it up for Wikipedia
Whoever
came up with this, it’s this is [ __ ]
This is so not cool
No matter what, whether it’s a fake
thing or the person who wrote it
And I’m like, is that supposed
to be karma for how she treated the
psycho ex on the stand
I mean, I’m sad that there aren’t like
that any of the like fake scenes that
were in the finale weren’t Drew, you
know
Cuz then I’d be like, we have to track
it down
I would love to know like I mean it is
possible it aired once, let’s say, in
the UK and no one recorded it and
digitized it
Of course, like we talked
about that before
This this show is
very ephemeral in the way that like it
never had officially come out on any
kind of release
I’m thinking about the fact like we
might never see a higher quality
version
I know it’s awful
That’s so weird
I should say never
Who
knows what’ll happen with the future of
the DM when we get
but I would love love love to know if
anyone out there like says, “Oh yeah, I
live overseas and I remember right it
airing this way
” Like I would love
that
But we’ll see
reach out to us if
you if you are that person
How do you
drew pottage Gmail
I was just gonna say that like if
you’re listening
Um all right
So the
cancellation of the show was already in
the news by the end of September
So
aired beginning of September like on the
9th and then by the end you have a thing
that was printed in September 28th that
says um pretty similar to what we said
Lisa Hartman Black was quoted as saying
in the first episode of this of this
series
Um,
so Schumacher said that Malibu Road
would have been renewed for mid-season
except Aaron Spelling and CBS couldn’t
come to a license fee agreement
So too
expensive
It says it was an it was
awkward for him
It was a very expensive
show to produce
A reported 1
2 million
an hour, which I have no idea like how
that compares, right
But also the network wanted to keep
Aaron Spelling’s Melro’s place, which
would have put his shows competing
against himself
So,
it’s just
there we go
It wasn’t that the storyline wasn’t like
Jeff’s kiss
Definitely wasn’t that
It is interesting that that thing that
talks about it says like ran as a six
episode pilot
That’s an interesting way
to think of it
I think that makes sense
though because it’s like this little
midseason, you know, mini
thing that they did and then they’re
hoping that get picked up for fall for a
real season cuz back then,
you know, it was like 22 23 episodes a
season, right
So, this is kind of unusual that it’s
only it’s six, but it really only aired
on four different nights
Like, that’s
very small
It is very small
And that’s it, guys
We are leaving the
uh what’s it called
Beach water
We’re exiting the beach beach water
The tide is receding
I had so much fun doing this
Like,
yeah, this was a this was a fun series
It was fun because it was so outrageous,
but it was also fun because it it’s like
such a lesser familiar part of Drew’s
filmography for both of us
So, we’re
like revisiting something we’ve barely
touched on before
So, I really liked
being able to do that
I like having
that excuse to like go do that
It’s also kind of funny to think of us
like dedicating three episodes when like
movies only get one
Although we did
have a two-parter
We had a couple
two-parters, but either way, like it’s
funny, but it’s it’s the amount of
content
We really went into it
We hope you guys had fun
And it was our summer break
Yeah, our summer break
And also, we’re
filming this early, so that’s one reason
why the top of the show is a little
light
But either way,
cuz I’m literally going to the beach
next week
You’re going to go in the beach water
I consider I considered like taping from
the ocean so we could get all that
background sound like we have in the
show, but I decided against it
I was going to say earlier there was one
clip I was like, “Oh my god, the ocean’s
so loud
Like genuinely
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I’m an Ashley
And hello
Feels like it’s been a long time
I I kind of was like, wait, have
we really not recorded in like three
weeks
Like
that’s what happens when we do one super
early for once in our lives
So this is weird
Like it’s
probably almost the longest we’ve spent
Oh, Nick not recording something
away from each other
I was going to say that and I’m like, is
that dramatic
All right
So, I mean, let me talk about
last episode because of course I have
the like update of all updates
So, if you guys don’t know, we were
covering Drew’s 1992 television series
2000 Malibu Road
We did it um as like
our summer series
It was a summer TV
series
We thought it’d be fun
We did
all six episodes over the course of
three of our episodes
And throughout
the entire thing, I was like, I got to
find this house
I got to find this house
Number one, you know, I love
filming locations and figuring them out
Number two, you know, I’m like the
freaking dog with the bone
When I like
want to find something out, I like
research it
to death
To death
But I kept going, Ashley, it doesn’t
matter
Like, you’re not
having any luck
Like, let it go
No one cares
No one
watched this show, but I care
So, literally our last episode comes
out, you know, our last Drew’s Day
And
I was like, h I just I just want to look
again because I had been in Malibu,
right
Like before um that episode came
out, but after we had recorded it,
I literally drove down PCH
in Malibu
And I was looking around and
I was like, I bet I could do this with
Aerial Views
Like, I bet I could find
it by looking at Google Maps aerial
views
And so that’s what I did
And I
was looking specifically for the pool
because the pool is quite unusually
shaped
I’m like going going going
I mean I
look through like miles and then I see
one
I was like, “Oh, like it’s not
perfect, but this like it almost looks
right
Like it’s it’s got the same weird
shape, but it’s not identical
” I’m
like, “But it’s set back from the house
the same way
” I sent you like a
screenshot of the map
And I was like, I cannot see
you
you had gotten so used to looking at
these blurry overhead images and I was
like I don’t know what you’re talking
about and then you started sending more
and more and I was like
yeah because I was so excited
I mean
it’s funny because I should have looked
at the house that is on this property
and I should have gone that’s not it
because it’s 100% not the house but my
instinct and I listened to it I was like
maybe they rebuilt the house and so I
went down a huge rabbit hole
I will not
get into every step of what I did
The
house is currently for sale, which is so
funny
Um, but this house was built like
a decade ago,
and the one that was there previously
was the house from 2000 Malibu Road
And
so it was located, if anyone cares, at
24834
Pacific Coast Highway
It’s currently
for sale for $36
That puts
Casey from Mad Love’s House to shame
That was only like 4 million
I
was like, I don’t remember the price,
but I feel like this is like the amount
of money where it’s like, huh
What are we doing
It’s like a
freaking compound now,
right
Houses in Los Angeles are like
minimum like a million and a half now
Like almost no matter where you are,
just for no Yeah
Any little thing
So, this was wild
deeply satisfying to
like I found like a a random historical
photo of the h the previous house like
on the Malibu
Historical Society
And I was like
matching that
I was freaking
out cuz I was like, “Oh my god, this is
absolutely it
” Even the um lawn chairs
or not lawn chairs um patio furniture
from the show is from the same set as
what was there when they took that
photo
Photographed it
So, I I texted
our friend Lindsay of I am not
astalker
com
and everything palmspr
com and I was
like, “Lindsay, I found the house
” Cuz
I had told her I was looking, but she
just didn’t have the bandwidth to help
me at that time
And she’s like, “Oh my god, I’m so
stupid
I have a post on this house
It was used in the original very first
season of The Bachelor as the house
where the Bachelor lived
“
Oh my god
So then I got to see her post
which we will link to and it had you
know she had done it a long time ago so
it had like the aerial views at the time
so she had all kinds of images I could
look at and she had screenshots from the
Bachelor
I went and found it to like
watch it online for free anyway and took
more
It was so exciting for me
I’m
like I don’t know what it is about my
brain that like flips out with nerdom
when I see this stuff but like
everything I could match was just like
yes oh my god I found it this is right
this is right like so exciting cuz there
are so many like unique features and
then you zoom in on the thing that is
like unique from the top and the idea
that they rebuilt it like I’m I’m almost
like did they rebuild it because after
the Bachelor people kept trying to like
go and visit the house from the Bachelor
Maybe I think whoever built it in its
current state is just like out of
control extravagant
Like if you saw
what it looked like now, you’d be like,
“Come on, who needs this
“
But yeah, it looks completely different
The old house looked really great
Like
I didn’t really think it I was like,
“Oh, it’s kind of like plain, but there
are things about it that actually like
look kind of cool
” Like
like the archway at the entrance
Yeah,
there’s a lot of neat things about it
Um I don’t know when it was originally
built
I don’t think I was able to find
that, but we can at least say 80s, you
know, maybe
or earlier
I I would almost guess like
60s
Yeah, it could be
So, that is the
finale of 2000 Malibu Road
That’s putting maybe putting like the
nail in that coffin
I don’t know
I
don’t know if we should say it’s dead
I
mean, it is dead, but
I don’t know if anyone’s ever talked
about that show more than us, to be
honest
When you search that show on
Google, a lot of the results lead back
to us
Well, I guess including our website that
has 2000 Malibut Road memorabilia
For a long time on IMDb, the like cover
image was like a scan of one of our ads
with our watermark and everything
So,
I love that
I love that
I love that we
like thought to do watermarks because
now it’s like, oh my god, it still leads
to us
We’re still here
People love to steal our [ ] let me tell you And we’re still here So, if somebody cared enough to to see that Anyways, um longevity, it’s a thing Um okay, I feel like we haven’t had this segment in a while because Drew’s show hasn’t been on So, uh let’s talk about what Drew proclaimed her love for recently I love love It has been a while since we have had a list of Drew loves, but u there’s a reason we got an update this time around Let’s just go through the list first Drew Les a butter churn of course Of course she does Frank Lloyd Wright A Q& A, of course And going places with her friends Absolutely Um, that’s okay So, we have a little one Um, guys, the show is coming back soon So, Oh my gosh Drew loves we’ll start to get um meaty again just the way we like we love talking about the meat of the sandwich We also this week for the first time in forever have a Druism You know those cool little isms that we do Both of these are coming from the same source and we’ll tell you guys about that in a minute But I’ll just set this up Okay, this is Drew talking about how in society these days, people are waiting for people to make mistakes so they can jump on them because it is insane that we just take each other down and we’re looking for it and we’re waiting for it and it’s like a dog in a table waiting for that piece of food to fall and then it’s like all over the [ ] lenolium floor
because yes, that’s thing
It’s so good
I love it so much
I’m so happy we have
that audio
Watching her do that like hammy like
angry Drew is the best
I do love Angry Drew
Why do I love it
so much
Yes, we talk about hate
We love Drew when she hates things
More Drew Love soon
Um, let’s talk about what’s going
on recently cuz news is popping up,
guys
Here we go with the news,
everybody
So, as you said, the Drew
Barrymore Show is coming back as we
know
Um, but the episodes are going to start
filming very soon
So the in studio
audience, all that, it starts on
September 3rd
So I think the first few
shows are already sold out, but if you
guys are going to be in New York, go to
the website and you can sign up for
tickets and then come back and tell us
about it
And I should I should make a trip
out there
Yes, you should
I’ve got some new friends out there
because uh
my New Yorker interns finally
I was just in Palm
Springs last week
So, now let’s talk about the
source of some of these things I’ve been
talking about was this awesome thing
that just like randomly came out and was
so cool
So, Bill Maher has a
podcast called Club Random and we got
this random appearance by Drew
Talk about random
2 hours and 15 minutes long and
like seemingly unedited
like like I
thought it was like pretty much
just all out there
Um there was nothing
wild about it, but it was so fun to see
Drew like loose like this
Very loose
I was talking to our friend
Ranatada of Drew Barrymore Brazil about
this and I was saying the way Drew is in
this appearance or interview how she’s
loose like you said or a little bit less
showy I guess I would say
feels very similar to me to when we last
saw her and when the cameras turned off
and she started talking to us I was like
that’s the that’s the girl the version
of her that we were getting
is the same version that was in this
interview
like that like looks at you and is like
putting their attention on you
and dropping the fbomb nonstop
So I this comparison you
made
Yeah
It weirdly gave me like weird
reminiscence is that a word of her
appearances on Letterman and like I
don’t I can’t really say why but I think
you’re right
I was feeling
like this really fun, playful sort of
thing that was happening that like I
don’t know Bill Maher well, but like I
don’t think this is his normal vibe
Like I don’t
Yeah, I thought he was like sort of
problematic
I don’t know that much
about him either
But I was like, “Oh,
is this going to be like a problem that
she went on here, but yeah,
people loved it
“
People loved it
I agree that it was it
felt Letterman and I think it was maybe
like the flirtiness that was between
them
There were so many people in the
comments
made a lot of sense
that seemed like people were like this
is in Bill like we have never seen and
like she’s bringing this out to him and
like all this like interesting stuff and
there was playfulness that but that just
felt like Drew
and so she you know she’s flirty that’s
how she is
It could also be that he’s like
sort of this crotchety old man normally
but when he’s talking to Drew it’s like
whoa where did this come from
And he seemed surprised by her too in in
a really pleasant way
So it’s sweet
So, we’ll get into some of the details
Um, she was wearing a Flower Films
t-shirt that was like super cute,
simple
Did it have like different
colored versions
of like the logo
I want one real bad
Who can we ask
If
you’re out there listening and you have
some power
Who could we ask
Films archival stuff
Send them our way
Anyways, uh, we talked about the potty
mouth
It’s so fun
I always love when Drew was
like, “Fuck, [ ] fuck ” like we’re not because that’s how she talks normally in real life, right She just is like plays it clean on her show She’s got to date She has to Yeah And she can That’s the thing She’s like America’s sweetheart, you know And people also think she’s a sweetheart because she’s real when she can be I don’t know Some other fun details is Drew was drinking tea java, of course and and they kind of like really made it obvious that she was just drinking her tea java because it was kind of funny because I kept expecting at the beginning that she would point out that it wasn’t alcohol and of course there’s a bunch of people who just saw in the beginning I thought she didn’t drink anymore and then there were other people who were like did you even watch the full thing you can freaking see the bottle of tea and she’s refilling it throughout the interview right and I guess if they’re just listening to well I guess if they’re listening to it they wouldn’t even think about it yeah that’s true but it’s Like it’s it’s sweet because we know that like that is her drink of choice and she’s got it Like they’re they’re not showing the label, I don’t think But we know it’s the Oh, I saw the label Oh, you did She might even say it She might even actually say something about the tea Yeah, that’s true Or like something about I don’t know being made of tea cuz you drink so much of it I don’t know Something like that Am I making that up I don’t know She’s definitely said that at some point All right So, I’m going to let you take like one of the coolest details randomly amazingly cool details This very much feels in the same wheelhouse or the same like space as me freaking out over the 2000 Malibu Roadhouse But um okay, so the interview starts and there’s like this weird implication that they are very near where Drew had lived when her house the house that burnt down in 2001 So the house she lived on on Cherokee for a couple years prior to that and he talks about when the house burned down He had only lived there for two weeks right next door and I did like verify where his house is matches right next door to that property There’s a part where they discuss the fire so I thought it’d be fun to kind of listen to that I will always blame myself for that fire I’ll always be like, I did something wrong You know, I’m like a guilty person by nature Everything is my fault Well, sure You wanted to get out of the marriage, so you burned the house down I think we all we all if only it was that easy I guess I found it interesting because we were discussing it so many times recently and like how did the fire get started and like of course she blames herself for it I mean that’s her nature I understand that it’s also my nature to like feel guilty for things that impacted me but I had nothing no control over And then I was like I’m sorry what And I like rewind it They are recording the space they are recording in is on Drew’s old property and it was the yoga studio that she apparently never really used They’re at her property The part that didn’t burn down like apparently he owns that and now he records out of it And it’s like this very specific it has this like special crooked door like slanted door It’s shown in um InStyle magazine when they did the feature on her house in 99 And we will share these pictures on the episode page cuz it’s really cool to like see it And they’re talking about the tiki bar that she built that’s like on basically on top of this building and how it’s still there And apparently there’s like a screening room somewhere over here that’s still there I was like I was it was crazy to me how casual they were being about it I’m like, “What ” burned down I guess because they knew, you know, like they knew that that maybe maybe before they started recording there was like moments of her like, “Oh my god, that’s so weird to be back here that we didn’t get to see because it was just like, oh yeah, we’re in my old like part of my old house ” And I’m like, “What ” I also like how she said something about like I could have just lived in one of the other things on this property Like why did I move away from the property Like I was like, “Oh, interesting ” And then we got another little detail about We knew that Drew’s dad lived near her house at one point Did we know like what house I guess maybe now we do I feel like I feel like I did think it was this one, but that might have just been like guesswork Um or maybe it’s talked about in something that’s at this timeline, but either way Drew tells a story about her dad and she like says he was staying like on the property She says right outside the window and she calls it in the treehouse So I’m like what is that Like and Bill was like oh the treehouse Like that’s a whole another thing we never saw anything about And I need to look at aerial view You probably can’t tell I already because it’s in a cuz it’s in a tree Let’s just play this clip where she tells this little anecdote about her dad Right outside this window My dad stayed on the property with me and it was like the only time I ever lived with him cuz he You made him stay outside the window Um well in this pathway here No, he stayed in the house next door Um the treehouse The treehouse He says that he said to me he was like um I said something about uh paranoia to him because he was extremely paranoid Um but he said it’s not paranoia, it’s paranoia And that happened at this house And I was like, “Thank you You finally put a word to how I feel in the world I have [ ]
paranoia
I love that
“
Me, too
We had just read the thing that was
written about like what the dad him and
his son like Drew’s dad and Drew’s like
half brother like selling the Barry
Morabilia
Barry Morbilia
Lots of good
puns there we haven’t really been using
to their full extent
But paranoia
I mean,
and that story is like vaguely familiar
to me, so I might need to like search if
she’s told it before, but I loved
hearing it either way
And he called it the treehouse
So
like we I think it just felt so like oh
my god, of course he lived in a house
that someone would call the treehouse
Of course she did at that time
Um, I just had to like say
I liked this sort of thing that they
cracked up for like a minute about where
Drew where Bill says he remembers Drew
saying the night of the fire or the
night before the fire like I’m cooking
dinner tonight
Then the house caught on fire and they
like talk about it and she’s like you
can’t like write this like you could
just like smash cut like me saying I’m
cooking dinner and then the house like
burning so they got a good laugh
The house burned down
the we’re Tom
Let’s get into
We did have some interesting talk about
Tom Green
very much backed up our kind of
intuitive thoughts about their
relationship where and we just I think
it was when we did movie line October
2003 or one of those one of the last
movie lines we did um it backed up kind
of our thoughts that Drew really didn’t
want to live out their entire romance in
the public eye but she was just trying
to like
go along with it and like that
eventually became too hard to do for
her
I mean, that makes total sense
And I
think that’s like basically what we
said
Because we know that Tom like basically
was like
starting to do almost like Instagram
before Instagram, like blogs on his
website that were like kind of dailyish,
and sometimes it would be a picture of
him and Drew
It was so fun for us
Like I’m sure we have some saved, right
We have we have them all saved
Okay, I love it
Oh my god, they were so
they were so sweet
Like oh my god
So
anyway, that makes sense that that was
hard for Drew because she says, “I’m
very open,
but I’m not bringing cameras into my
personal life until he was like fighting
cancer and that’s how we wanted to deal
with it
I can’t imagine
It didn’t sound like she blamed him
She
was just like,
“That’s not really what I wanted to do,
but I wanted to be like the cool
girlfriend and go along with it
I guess I’ll say one more thing
about this because I like how they kind
of get into relationship talk for a
second and she’s she’s talking about
like altering herself and changing for
Tom
and he’s like she like is going on this
whole spiel and then Bill’s like I don’t
like that you’re saying alter and
change
Yeah,
that’s where you need to like
rethink you’ll realize in 20 more years
that
just be you and you don’t need to change
for anyone
It was interesting the way she
kept phrasing that and it wasn’t even
just about with Tom
It was just in
general like
you do have I think what she was trying
to say was like you do need to make like
compromises in a relationship but she
did keep saying like change and alter
instead
Yeah, it was interesting
Yeah, I think compromise is the is the
um the term she was missing
But I liked
it because it was sort of I don’t know
He he it gave him a chance to say like
you don’t change anything like
Yeah
Oh, I did also like how he told
her the treasure doesn’t get hunted or
doesn’t do the hunting
That’s what it was
Yeah, that was She
was like, “Oh
“
Um, she also talks about how last year
she finally let go of the fear of
getting in trouble and the feeling that
she has to prove something to herself
that she has had those two feelings for
as long as she can remember up until
last year
Like I mean fear of
getting in trouble
When she said that I
like felt it cuz I was like there’s some
part of me that always thinks I’m doing
things wrong
No matter no
matter if like people look at it and say
great job
I’m like they don’t know I’m
actually failing deep down
They just
don’t know it’s deeply wrong
And so like Yeah
I was like oh [ ] And I think this is one of the multiple moments in the ep in the in the interview where she starts to cry She’s like, it’s interesting cuz I also have the fear of getting in trouble as far as like that to me is one of the worst feelings in the world, being in trouble Like, yeah, I’ve just always been a little goody goody my whole life True to some extent Yeah, I think we have that in common But I don’t walk around thinking everything I’m doing I’m going to get in trouble for is wrong Like that’s not part of my life like it is for you and Drew So, you guys can be best friends now and I guess I’ll just quietly exit We need the like yin and y so jealous of it They they absolutely need a balance That’s why you and I are like partyy Like I I don’t think if I had another of me that this would work Absolutely not You might be able to do with another of you, but like you already do all that See, like anyways, um there’s some more there’s a lot of great stuff in this So listen to it But um there’s this really kind of cool way he describes her life as like eras Uh I was excited because I feel like we do that so much like Yeah You know that Drew is this Drew and the phases and the Renaissances And it’s totally true And um and then what’s our favorite thing when people describe her light in some way So he describes her as a flashlight that won’t go out, which Perfect, perfect And then um I like how he kept like multiple times he was like, “You’re so sane ” And like I’m just like surprised how like real and open you are like he says sane multiple times and I think it’s because of the they have some talk about the institution which she keeps like describing it that way Oh maybe that is why or maybe he’s just talked to a lot of people who aren’t aren’t all there It seems like he really means like real like she’s present she’s Yeah, it was it’s great So listen to it like what no matter what you feel about this guy I don’t know really much about him at all I know he was at the Playboy Mansion a lot and I know he does real talk with Bill Maher Like I we’re not like, you know, he’s he’s he’s a famous for what he does, but he also like kind of says like that’s a different that’s me at work and this is me here and I’m a different person here It’s interesting And it is on YouTube if you guys want to watch the video version, which I do Like usually I’m a strictly audio podcast person, but of course when it’s Drew I’m going to watch the video And it’s great It’s really cool to see Looks beautiful She’s like has her feet up almost the whole time like she does when she’s comfy Of course, this flower film shirt that we talked about is so cute All right So, what else is new Oh, so I noticed the finally the new US Weekly contribution might be coming We’ve been waiting and waiting and waiting It’s supposed to be quarterly Um, it is not in the current issue, which is the August 25th, but they just published a new very small two question Dear Drew on their website So, I’m hopeful I’ve been checking it through the library app, which is so convenient and great So, I’ll keep checking I will of course report back Um, also our Instagram, Drew, we often will update with that kind of thing So, there’s been a lot of people reaching out to us because apparently if you search like Drew Magazine 2025 now us, it’s us and there’s like they never put out official word So, I’ve been having to like tell people like that’s gone and US Weekly is the mini form of it, but there’s like nothing new yet It’s sad to say, you know Gosh, weird I’m like, we can’t speak officially on behalf of them, but here’s what we know Literally from the inside, like, yeah, like we Yeah, that we So, of course, I got like multiple issues of us because when the magazine ended, I got nothing I think I got one clipping I got one clipping of Ross talking about his book with his husband and I was like that’s adorable because of course it’s got like a little illustration of Drew So I’m like I got one clipping Um all right so one of the other coolest things that basically kind of led to this episode, right A new tattoo Drew finally got her favorite string of numbers tattooed onto her I love it Hey Drewies, we are here to tell you about our website hosts, Positive Medium, and they sponsor the podcast We’ve been clients of theirs for over 10 years and we use them for all our website needs on the drusium Their services include customized web design, professional coding, search engine optimization and marketing, plus hosting, which has been huge for us for many years Plus, their incredible customer service has been one of our favorite features They’ve literally saved our site quite a few times, and they always help with minor troubleshooting in a matter of minutes So whether that’s coding issues or back-end questions, etc , we reach out, we get help immediately, which is just invaluable To our listeners, Positive Medium is offering 25% off any managed WordPress hosting plan using our promo code Drew That’s D R E W visit our friends over at positivemedium Thank you Okay, so she’s literally gotten four now since the time that we were So we recorded an episode about Drew’s tattoos It was one of our early ones We’re here 100 episodes later Which I freaking love And we’re like, we got to fill in the blanks on all her other tattoos Like I keep updating the description on the old episode to be like, “Note, Drew has since gotten more tattoos ” And I’m like, “He’s gotten two more She’s gotten three more She’s got four more ” Like, “Okay, at this point, we just need to do a new tattoo episode to be the full like holistically, you know, the source of the information, right It’s like we’re putting out the second edition of uh of the Drew tattoos The tattoo tattoo tut two two for her new tattoo You know what It’s all about tattoo So, we’ve got a little leadin audio that you pulled So, let’s let’s put this in here Drew talking about tattoos I’ve been getting tattoos at different times of my life ever since I was 13 years old I think I’ll be getting tattoos for the rest of my life Love that So, as of now, it’s August 2025 Ru has a total of 14 tattoos I’m just saying the year and the month cuz I feel like if you’re just like listening through the episodes, you might not know how old it is I don’t know Yeah, that’s true No, I think it’s smart to say that So, 14 tattoos We just have to note Drew’s last eight tattoos, which all all of which came after the butterfly, have been on her arms Which I find very interesting Is she just like no longer wants to show any other part of herself Like I mean, you know, like I for me, I think it’s because I want to look at them They’re for me Like when I think about that, I’m like I didn’t do this like for other people to like compliment me I did it cuz I want to see something pretty when I look down And so I don’t know if if Drew feels that way, but like I like the arm thing And I’m It’s kind of surprising to me because you can’t cover that up Like you’re an you’re an actress, you’re a public figure So like when she kept doing it, it’s like well I guess either you know what she actually said when she got the butterfly and she’s talking on Leno Um she says, “I like that all of my tattoos are in places that can be covered up ” And then it’s like after that she’s like, “Just kidding I want them all all over Next is the face No, I’m just kidding What a neck She’ll get like um the girl’s kisses like on her paw prints going up her uh her neck We’re just making predictions, guys They’re they’re they’re jokes They’re jokes So, just a brief background on or kind of explanation of how we’re doing to do this episode So, we covered the first 10 tattoos on the previous episode that Ashley mentioned, episode 12 Um, which we released in on October 30th of 2022 So, we’re like almost 3 years later Um, and we’ll play back and interject where we have new information So, like here and there we’ll be interjecting Um, and uh, yeah, enjoy this little flashback and at the end of this we’ll get into the last four tattoos that she’s gotten since we recorded that episode So, all new info Let’s do it [Music] I think that we might be ready for our weekly topic What do you think Yeah, I think we’re this time Let’s get there I need to take a breath Um All right Taking a deep breath Ready for this big topic So, um what did we decide on for a weekly topic And how happy are you to talk about this Oh, this is a great one So, we are going to talk about Drew’s tattoos today, which is really fun because it’s kind of a thing that we’ve always pointed out like when you can see them or like what how exciting it is when this one shows up Uh, you know, people who have been fans of Drew forever She’s had them for so long There’s a lot to talk about here So, we thought it’d be an easy one and then it ended up getting a lot more information than I expected once I was going through research So, awesome Great job on the research I’m looking forward to going through this cuz it is a lot of fun This is something about Drew that I feel like I’m just thinking about like Drew as a person with tattoos Like it’s almost a thing that you could find surprising about her as these days Like maybe kind of as at as at times she may have been seen as like a girl next door, you know, but she’s had this life that’s gone in waves and you know, levels of different personalities and different modes and I don’t know I feel like all of her tattoos say a lot about the time that she got them and I think that’s why this topic is so fun for us All of them feel like very true to her in a different way Definitely And like the range of them kind of fits with like the range of her sides of her personality Her multiaceted personalities So let’s get into it So just a couple real quick quotes about Drew and tattoos that we’ve gathered from over the years Um, one thing she said is that I really like tattoos and it’s an expression of how you feel and they’re there forever, which is kind of what you were just saying Um, another quote is, uh, for someone who’s afraid to be trapped and confined, sometimes I bust out and do things that are so permanent And she was referencing not just tattoos, but also marriage and that Yeah, absolutely Um, yeah, that I’m like I could see that coming from this more mature side of her She’s also many times, I’m sure you remember how many times she’s talked about how getting a tattoo is a pleasurable pain In Details 1997, she said that pain is like nothing else in the world And it’s so sexual, too You know, I mean, after it’s done, you just want to go and drive a car off a cliff or something I love that because I know how is something being so sexual make you want to drive off a cliff I don’t know But that feels like a Druism And I didn’t type this up, but she also said afterward like, “Okay, kids, don’t try this at home ” That’s great But also, I agree Um, having recently within the last couple of months gotten a new tattoo, like there’s just something about if you can tolerate it, it has a pleasurable thing about it I haven’t done it in so long, I don’t even remember So, I’ll take your word for it So, she has 10 tattoos in total, which I wouldn’t have been able to tell you off the cuff So, it’s kind of cool that it’s an even beautiful number like 10 Easy to remember now I love that she made it so it’s no longer a beautiful even number Thanks, Drew But it’s still even It’s still even So, just like back to like that was October 30th, 2022 that we released that We’re in August of 2025 It’s now 14 Are we ready to move on Let’s hear some more And she’s said just like we were just saying that there are reflections of times in her life, which is great So, let’s get into the details of the tattoos And we’re going to go in chronological order as best as we know when she got them So, we’re starting with the flowers on her hip It seemed that she was un kind of unclear as to when she got it, right Based on some of the stuff you looked at at first I mean, we all know that Drew isn’t the best at accurately saying how old she was when something happened, but I’m going to take her word for it on this first one Okay, cool So, she said her first, which is a bouquet of flowers on the front of her left hip, she had gotten around the age of 13 Um, which kind of makes sense When was she officially emancipated Yeah, it was right before she turned 15 So, but I also could see her walking into a tattoo shoe shop in LA and them just like, “Sure ” They’re like, “Oh, Drew Barrymore, cool And it was originally just of a rose when she got it at first I did not remember that until I was doing the research, but I found a couple places where she said like, “Oh, I have a tiny red rose ” Or said like it was originally just a rose So, I had forgotten that completely I have forgotten that But this next part, I do remember this So, she added daisies to it later and they don’t even totally look like daisies I have to say it’s kind of a weird tattoo And we’ll get into her feelings about it But she said that it was done by a big Australian meanie and she went in and she was like, “I want daisies ” And he said, “I don’t do daisies ” She said, “Okay ” So, she said, you know, it’s still there and it’s absolutely her least favorite of her tattoos, which is, you know, her first one I guess that’s okay She said she loves all her other ones, but she said, “The thing is, I wouldn’t have it removed because I just don’t believe in that You were there at one point in your life Just keep it, damn it ” When is that quote from when she says, “Just keep it, damn it ” Was that I believe that whole thing is also from details 1997 That was a good one for tattoo information So, in 1986, talking about this tattoo, she said it was shocking to her that she just really wanted one And when the guy said he wouldn’t do what she wanted, she was just like, “Okay, draw anything ” And then she said it’s not really that cute, but I like it It reminds me of how I would have taken anything, not necessarily the thing I wanted Now I have a great deal of patience It’s a great way of like silver lining looking at it [Music] I wasn’t going to say anything about this one, but it’s very interesting to think that this happened at 13 Where in the Little Girl Lost timeline did this happen Like pre AASAP Is this during one of the times she was released and it was like a reaction to that So, we’re talking about like the flowers like when would she have gotten like the rose or whatever it was at first She’s 13 like crazy to imagine maybe but like maybe not so crazy maybe exactly what I said someone was like oh Drew Barrymore cool like just like that and she’s in a big rebellious phase of her life 100% [Music] I feel like a lot of people who have tattoos like you said end up getting something not so great Yeah I have one that I wouldn’t mind not having Yeah I get that All right So, we know that her next one would be, I would say, one of her most famous ones, which is the cross that she has on her, let me think about this for a second, right ankle The first time that I could find visual proof of it was some candids, like an event that she attended in October 1990 So, we can assume around that time it it fits So, she has the cross It is wrapped in ivy and roses Like I said, it’s near her right ankle And she said a couple times that she designed it herself, which I also had forgotten that information Yeah, I had forgotten that, too So, she described it as a four angled cross because at the end of each end of the cross, there’s another cross basically like you kind of know what I mean Describing that well, but and then she said at that time she believed that religion and spirituality were everywhere you looked and everything was possible So, that was sort of like her inspiration She also felt that it was a sign when she first read the script for Poison Ivy that the title character Ivy has the same tattoo Although interestingly, of course, we have to kind of mention this, the tattoo that she had on her ankle was then covered, right And then she had a tattoo instead on her like kind of upper thigh So, I mean, of course, it makes sense to be like, “Oh my god, I also have a cross tattoo ” And this was in a time in her life when she was like, “I really need to get a roll ” that I really need to get an iconic role that’ll take people’s minds off of me as a child Um which was a successful a successful endeavor as far as Poison Ivy goes So, putting the the tattoo in a sexier spot as you might think I bet you’re right I bet that was part of it Plus, she had to like not have it at the beginning and she gets it in the movie So, that’s right That’s right She said that it symbolizes pain, death, life, and love Basically, she said like it’s my whole theme, crucifixes, which it’s not really a crucifix, it’s a cross But yes, if you remember, she was wearing cross necklaces all the time in like 1992 She was in 1991 Here’s a quote that she gave She said, “I’ve had it like a year No one sees it, just my friends Unless I want to be a badass and wear shorts and no socks or something ” It’s funny The one person who’s afraid of commitment has something that’s pretty lifelasting, but I can always cover it up if I want Yeah, I love that I love that Okay, so next um is probably out of these ones my favorite so far Oh, really So far out of the ones we’ve talked about I don’t know There’s something about it So, it’s the moon on her toe And you may be able to remember which toe it is Is it her right or left It’s her right I only know cuz I have a note Oh, you do So, by 1992, um, she and a friend, we don’t know who, got friendship tattoos, drew a crescent moon on her right big toe, said she was walking past the tattoo shop with a friend, and they just said, “Let’s get matching tattoos ” And they did it That’s all we know Um, and then thanks to Drew Bra Daisy for reminding us that, um, there was a talk show appearance where she talked about it, which was Kona in 1993, and they have it uploaded on their YouTube So, that’s really cool Yeah, I messaged them because like I said, it’s really hard to find some of these talk show appearances and I for some reason was visualizing and I it still might be her third 1995 David Letterman appearance where she’s wearing the green top I think she describes her tattoos in that one but you can’t find that online right now which is so frustrating But so I messaged Drewberry more Daisy and I was like, “Can you remember ” And they pointed out to me that Conan had a good description And I was like, “Cool Now we know ” Cuz I had the note of like her getting it with a friend, but I couldn’t find the source And that was the source So that was great I think one of the reasons I really love it is because you and I have talked about getting tattoos together for so long and we haven’t been able to land on anything Never have So maybe we just get like us like a moon and a sun and we call it a day Let’s just get the how do you Drew logo That would look cool Oh, perfect Just really big across our backs Oh, perfect It’s It’s Well, I was going to say it’s free advertising, but tattoos aren’t free, people It pays for itself I just have to interject We still have not This is three years later But we have we have decided what it’s going to be We have a plan I have to get it Um, side note, do we not insert the Conan audio Cuz we need to I guess not We can do it now Okay, it looks like we didn’t put the audio from the coding clip we were talking about So, I’m going to drop it in here, guys [Music] But, uh, is that with you wearing a tattoo I was looking through some of those earlier as part of my job I have one right on my ankle, actually What do you have on your ankle a a cross, a sort of fourth angled cross There’s a cross at each angle And um it has rose vines growing through it And um I put it on there about five years ago How many tattoos do you have Um I have five No, I’m not going to get But what kind are they You have a cross And what else Um yes, I have a cross on my ankle I have a blue moon on my toe And what makes you think of that What makes you think of like I’ve got to have a moon Well, what what made you think of it I don’t know I I I’m just saying what made you think, “Okay, I’ve got to have that because it’s a pretty permanent decision ” Actually, a friend of mine uh we were walking past a tattoo shop one day and went, “Let’s get matching tattoos And that’s how it happened Oh, cool And it’s still there, right So, they’re not those fake kind I get the fake kind a lot I have those, too Those are a lot of fun Um and then I have um cherubs growing growing I hope they’re not growing Um, along the base of my back All right Oh, yeah [Music] Let’s move on to her cherubs, which are two separate tattoos, both on her lower back The first one is on the right side and it’s a group of three cherubs that are holding a cross and the cross has her mother’s name Jade on it which is uh you know very interesting I think she probably got this we can guess around 1992 as well Well, she for sure had it by 1992 That seemed like a time in their relationship where they were the most close and then it like maybe never again were they close after that So, not sure what went on, but we can speculate all day about that I have, and this is like the stupidest Vegas memory that I was like, do I even mention this And I only found like one minute piece of evidence that I didn’t imagine this There was this show in the early 2000s called Crossing Over with John Edward Was like, do you remember this He’s like a medium I was obsessed with it for a while like I watched it all the time and Jade was on one time and like I said I couldn’t find any clips but I found like one like TV guide that mentioned it or something And I swear there’s something came up and obviously like you know whether you believe in his abilities or not it would have been very easy for him to get this information But he does like bring up that tattoo in the like you know he’s basically saying like I don’t even remember who he supposedly was communicating with on the other side but he brings up like I’m seeing a tattoo with your name or something along those lines And I don’t think they showed a picture, but of course I knew exactly what it was And yes, says like, “Oh, Drew has that tattoo or something like that ” But um that’s like the only relevant note I have on that tattoo There’s also a really wonderful photo of it Like super crisp clear photograph of it that was in what magazine Us from June 1992, I believe It’s black and white, but it’s a great photo It’s like stunning and it the tattoo looks so crisp there So yeah, like you thinking it was pretty soon before that makes sense Yeah, I think it was very new All right, why don’t you tell us about her other cherubs Okay, so she does have another cherub in the middle of her lower back holding a banner with the name James for ex-boyfriend Jamie Walters Um, and it was said that he had one of her name as well And then she said that if she had found out that he’d covered up his, she would also want to cover up hers but his name kind of like bled into a black bar after they broke up and you can’t read it at all So she’s quoted as saying, “You can’t even read it It’s so small and the colors have sort of bled into each other It almost scares me It sort of disappeared Isn’t that strange Isn’t that indicative ” And then she said, “His name is gone It just bled ” How insane is that When my tattoo artist did it, you could definitely read it, but he said, “Trust me ” And I asked why and he said, “Just trust me ” A year later, the name was gone and so was Jamie The tattoo artist probably didn’t need psychic powers to know that It’s probably like, “Uh, really You sure you want to get this dude’s name on you ” Okay, so we do have a little update on the Jamie tattoo and the name disappearing or bleeding away So, in late 2023 on the Drew Barrymore Show, they showed this tattoo Can’t say when the image was taken, but they showed an image of it And either they completely edited out his name or the remnants of his name or Drew had it totally filled in because it is not just like it’s not just a little bar It is the entire banner is filled in black now And it looks like it’s a darker black than the other part of the tattoo slightly Maybe that’s maybe that’s just my screen I don’t know Um but I wouldn’t be surprised either way if like the art department did it cuz they’re like uh do you even like was the were they discussing it on the episode like discussing the the like contents of the um No, she was interviewing like a Formula 1 driver and I think he had a tattoo in the same spot She’s like oh we’re twins or he also had a cherub or something like that So, they briefly showed it on the screen I like to think that he had it on his lower back Yeah, it probably wasn’t a [ ] stamp
and we will share the image on our
website if you guys want to see what
we’re talking about
We’ve shared it a
couple times, but we’ll throw it in
there again
[Music]
The next tattoo she got is, I would say,
her most famous
I would say so, too
Most iconic
And of course, that is her
butterfly
So, we know she got this in
late 1994
It’s the butterfly
It’s
right underneath her belly button
So, I already have to jump in and say we
have this one wrong
We thought late 94
And I remember after
this episode came out, our friend Brian
texted and he was like, “Hey, just so
you know, when she’s on the Tonight Show
in April 1994, she already had the
butterfly cuz she talks about it
So,
let’s play that real quick
Now, there some of the rumors that they
have
Now, the tattoos
I don’t see any
tattoos
Do you have tattoos
That’s That’s the cool thing
None of my
tattoos are anywhere where they show if
I didn’t want them to, but I have six
Oh, you have six
Now, what would they
What are they
Do you like animals or
you have scenes or
Well, I have a butterfly
A butterfly
That’s appropriate
Um I have
um a cross, a blue moon
Where is the blue moon
Uh on my toe
On your toe
and um cherabs on the base of my
back
So that uh told us, you know, it was
earlier than we thought
It really isn’t
ever
right in your face visible until
Playboy, which comes out on stands in
January 94
Obviously, the photo shoot
was done several months prior to that
Um also the photo shoot for Sky Magazine
by Michael Mueller from their July 94
issue
You can vaguely see it in one
image, just barely
It’s so funny
It
was like definitely hidden for a while
and then all of a sudden the following
year she’s like, “Want to look at my
belly all the time
And I’m wondering is it like
lowrise jeans
Like is it like a
combination of like fashion
I’m also like how does she consider her
ankle to be a place that’s easy to
cover
Like I don’t agree that that’s
necessarily easy to cover
Um
she was wearing a lot of jeans in that
time I And I’m I’m guessing when we did
the episode, we were thinking of like
when would Playboy have been shot and we
were just going from there, right
All right
So, we’ve got a little more
accuracy there
So, let’s jump back in
[Music]
So, as most people know, she has always
loved the metaphor of butterflies that
you can change and metamorphice and grow
and become a more profoundly beautiful
and capable human being
on Ruby Wax in
1998
Ruby said, “Oh god, that’s gonna stretch
out if you ever get pregnant
” And Drew
said, “I think about that all the time
“
Oh my god, I forgot about that
And she also told Ruby that uh
she felt like she was too old for any
more tattoos
She was only 23, which is
hilarious
That’s so great
But a really long stretch did go by
before she got anymore
A lot of time went by
you know,
she said she was maybe too old to get
more tattoos
Well, 15 years later, um
she got a small bird um on the inside of
her right arm in May of 2009
Um and I
just thought it was cute when I I
remember feeling this when I saw it
There was a time when she was on Rosie
and I think we mentioned this before
where they were building birdhouses and
she said, “I love perching birdies
“
It is funny
I always think of that when
I see that tattoo as well
It’s not on YouTube anymore
It wasn’t
there then
It’s not there now, but
there was a time where it was there
And
I have the clip
I love purchase birdies
Thank God
I love that
[Music]
We know almost absolutely nothing about
that one
Like, it just showed up
She
never really talked about it
It was
just like this cute little I’m guessing
that was a spontaneous one
And for some reason I I always
connect it with Justin Long
You know why
I think
there was this magazine feature
I want
to say it’s for Blackbook where they
each like took photos and then like
posted like a text conversation between
the two of them and one of the photos
like the best photo of the bird tattoo
is from that
Oh, awesome
Maybe that’s why
Yeah, that’s pro that’s probably why
And maybe because they were probably
together when she got it, right
Would
that have made sense for this time
So, it probably just I can kind of
imagine that he might have been there
Oh, I bet you’re right
That’s
[Music]
um I love this
Okay, so we do have a little more info
It’s so cool that we were like
speculation city
You’re so smart
All right, update for this one
The bird
tattoo drew on Hollywood Squares
She
mentioned a stick and poke tattoo that
she once got in a hotel bathroom with
Justin Long and Billy Joe Armstrong of
Green Day
Of course, because Yeah, of
course
And we like right away I was
like, “Oh, this got to be the bird
“
It has to be
because I could imagine what stick and
poke like tattoos are usually relatively
simple
And anyway, clearly was random
They wouldn’t have chosen the hotel
bathroom if they had planned this ahead
of time
Also, I would is a stick and poke
like maybe less smooth lines because I
always feel like this has like sort of
jaggedy lines to it
It’s by hand
So, it’s I mean sometimes
people can do it really precisely but
it’s by hand
There’s not a machine
involved
So, definitely it looks like
you know
simple enough to do in that in that type
of tattooing
in a hotel bathroom
In a hotel bathroom
Um, and then
weirdly when we covered Rebel Homemaker,
Drew’s cookbook,
we discovered this little image, this
little cartoon birdie shows up twice in
the book
With no explanation
So, it still is to
me the most mysterious of her tattoos
It’s really sweet
What is the story
Where did this image
come from
Why would she put it in this
book twice
Unless she was sending
like a secret message to Justin
I’m going to get one of those birds
Like I’m just going to steal one
Catching birdies
If we can’t get our other idea, I’m just
we’re just going to get the birds
[Music]
Next one
The Breathe tattoo
So when
she attended the London premiere of
Going the Distance in August 2010, she
had breathe on her left forearm, but it
was just written there like in temporary
ink
It wasn’t the actual tattoo
And I
think there’s some people who don’t
realize that
And I had forgotten that that was
like a temporary version of it
It’s slightly different
So you
can kind of tell that she was like
workshopping it
Flower film staffer
named Brent Kyle who was really into
like doing a lot of their design stuff
he actually did the logo for
Flower Films that is currently been in
use
Um, and it’s very similar in style
and like font and look to this
So, she
worked with him on designing the
permanent version of this tattoo
By late February of 2011 is when the new
tattoo could be seen on her arm and it
was done by Todd Serenson
Between
August 2010 and February 2011, a handful
of years later, she had decided to get a
tattoo of her daughter’s names
And it
seemed like it was somewhat sporadic,
but obviously this is something that
would have meant a lot to her and is not
like a rashed decision
So, um, in March
2016, she got her daughter’s names all
and Frankie in her own handwriting on
the inside of her her right wrist
Um,
and she said she had been wanting to do
it
And then one day she said we were on
our way to an appointment and I was
like, “Can we just quickly stop at this
tattoo shop
” She walked in and said,
“Who’s available to do a tattoo quickly,
like right now, and this guy came up and
was like, yeah, I can
” So I was like,
“I’m going to write this down on a piece
of paper and then can you just transfer
it onto my arm
” And so she has this
really like really simple totally
obviously her own handwriting because we
know her handwriting well and it just
olive and Frankie
on the inside of her wrist
And I’ve
always loved wrist tattoos
So
me too
I’ve always found this one really
endearing and sweet for many many
reasons
Yeah, it’s a good one
Um and she had
posted some pictures of her actually
getting it which is cool cuz like we’ve
never had that kind of access before
That’s right
And then her last one
Damn, talk about
access
So, her most current one is on her arm
and it says home is where we are
So,
it’s kind of interesting because this is
also on her right arm
So, it’s right in
between her daughter’s names and her
bird
So, I don’t know like if that’s
just where she wants all her tattoos
now, on her right arm
Um, so in May 2021, she felt like she
still wanted to scratch that tattoo
itch
So, I guess she didn’t feel uh too
old anymore
Um, it wasn’t an impulse one at
all
She had thought about it for many
years
So, there was like a woman, just
a random lady who was getting a tattoo
that was meaningful and Drew said,
“Okay, I’m going to get one with you,
too, on the show
” The tattoo artist was
Ryan Ashley, who had won, I think it’s
they said she was the first female to
win the show Inc
And yeah, so the quote was basically
inspired by her divorce and by having to
move to New York after the divorce
She said, “Wherever life takes you, if
you’re lucky enough to be alongside
people you love, then to me that became
the definition of home,” she said,
adding that it’s the most important life
lesson, she learned
My eyes are
stinging because I’m crying so much
I
want people to feel that no matter where
they go in the world, if they’re lucky
enough to have someone to love, that is
so fulfilling
When I was in rental
apartments or not knowing where life was
going or so upset that the plans I tried
to solidify for my kids had changed, it
really led to the discovery of what home
really means to me
And that is if we
are together wherever we are, home is
where we are
So
that’s really sweet
I think that is probably her most
meaningful tattoo
I think she would say
that at least these days
I mean,
yeah,
it really has a lot of meaning behind it
and she’s mentioned many, many, many,
many times that this was the hardest
thing she ever went through in her life,
that time period
So, to have that come
out of it is really beautiful
[Music]
And now we’re back in the present
Yes, we are
We are here in August 2025
I’m just going to keep saying the date
I’m I’m an archavist, guys
How many
things I come across that aren’t dated
and I’m so upset about it
Yeah, I get it
Okay, let’s get into tattoo number 11,
which is very meaningful to Drew
It’s
interesting how the last one I was like,
this might be her most meaningful, and
then we’re like they just keep getting
like
meaningful on top of meaningful
Okay, so we are talking about the three
sardines
So, January 30th, 2023
I love
that now we have like
dates like lockdown
Um, this was done at Drew’s New York
apartment by Johnboy Tattoo
It is located on her left forearm above
the word breathe
So, she decided to
take a break from the right forearm for
just a little bit
Um, and her friend
Savannah Guthrie also got one at the
same time
It was like this thing that
they went off and did together that was
like so exciting to them
They talked
about it quite a lot
You could
definitely look that up
Really really sweet the like whole the
whole sentiment around it
Um and this was so cool to like
notice this in the magazine
I remember
you pointing this out
So in Drew Mag
there is like a photograph of some
ceramics that are shaped like sardines
that Drew photographed in Italy and it
looks just like her tattoo
And so like
we are
what 99% sure that this was the design
inspiration for the this tattoo which is
so cool
And I remember like when she first
got it before we knew what it
represented which we’ll get into
We
were like huh this is so random
Like
what are these weird little fish
I remember saying I think it’s kind of
cute
And then we found out and then we
every we all loved it
Like I feel like
I remember you Jolina and I like having
an exchange like huh
What do you think
about the fish
Um, but they do represent Drew and her
two daughters, Olive and Frankie, all
being in bed together
And that’s like
what they call themselves, the Three
Little Sardines
Or even more specifically
Welcome to Shardine
It is the hottest club in town
It is so
exclusive
It only has three members
[Laughter]
She sardine has definitely become like
part of our vernacular
Yeah, exactly
She sardine
and we have uh now gifted her something
in the sardine theme
Um we were lucky
enough to give her a tea towel um that
has sardines on it, like a really cute
pattern
I found the actual maker of the
towel
Her brand is called Hazel Made
and uh really cute stuff
And she was
really excited to find out as well that
we gifted this to Drew
But you gave it
to her
Like we had to overnight it
because you were going to the Drewberry
War show
And I like picked it up at the
front desk because the package arrived
for me at the hotel
It was it was very
cool
Um and Drew like I I’m pretty sure
she actually said to me like or maybe
she told me she was going to like frame
it in her kitchen or did she That’s
right
Did she say that
That is what you told me
I keep looking for it
Haven’t seen it
yet
Me neither
Let’s
jump into number 12, which Drew got on
my birthday, November 7th of 2023
Happy
birthday
Happy birthday to me, Drew
tattoo
This is also one I would get
So, Drew um got the words I am human
tattooed on her arm right under the home
is where we are
So, she’s filling up
that arm
Um
back on the right side
Back on the right side
and she
obtained this on air during a season 4
episode of the Jubberry Moore Show
Um,
done by John Mesa
And it’s just
simple block lettering, quite thin
It’s
It’s cool
It’s really clean
The Drew Marsh Show had shared this
really great behindthe-scenes video
documenting this entire process
So, we
will link to that so you guys can watch
it again
Um, and this is where she
reveals that she still likes all but two
of her tattoos
And like as we
discussed, we know she’s never really
liked the flowers
But what do we think the other one is
I feel like it’s probably like one of
the cherub ones
I’m guessing maybe like
the Jamie
Yeah,
that’s what I
That would make the most sense for
sentimental reasons
And it like maybe it’s the blur
blurred the most
I don’t know
I don’t
know
Again, we can speculate
Maybe
she’s not fond of her cross anymore
That’s a great I would love to ask her
about all of this
One day,
one day
One day we will
We’ve We’ve
just been doing this three years, but we
keep waiting
She also said that it was the least
painful one she’s ever gotten, which is
interesting
Um maybe this guy just had
a really nice touch
and it was like so fine
Like the
lettering is just like I almost am like,
“Wow, it probably it was probably so
quick
” I think it was she got the whole
thing in like a couple minutes, right
And then our last note on this is that
Joel Madden was a guest on the episode
Um, and he complimented her tattoo and
kind of approved of it
And for Drew
that set, she said, “It set me on my way
with little clouds and wings
“
I love that
Adorable
Let’s get into number 13 of 14
The word
time
Oh, this was kind of interesting
So, back in October 2023, we noticed,
you noticed first that she was writing
the word time on her arm
You could see
it on the Drew Barrymore show
You could
see it when she went to Austin for the
Formula 1 thing
And she had said that she had recently
gone through something that was the most
difficult thing since her divorce
And
she realized that time is what helps
And we speculated back then and I’m sure
we were right that she was talking about
the whole drama that happened with the
writer’s guild strike
Yeah, we don’t have to get into that
We’ve got an episode that covers it
Like if you guys want to listen to that
Um but yeah, she had this realization
that time is the thing that helps
So much like the breathe tattoo, she was
kind of like workshopping this, you
know, by writing on her arm first before
she committed to the tattoo, which I
love
So this year um as of recording so
March 2025 um she got this tattoo done
and again it was done live on air um by
Johnboy with Savannah Guthrie joining
in
Is John Boy the same as the first
guy
He’s the guy that did the sardines
So our sardine friend has
returned
He’s swimming on back in
Um, and this one went on her left outer
forearm, which I think is such an
interesting placement
Um, and then we get another very similar
placement, which I’ll talk about in a
sec
Yeah, I don’t know
I just like it
Um, and we got some really beautiful
photographs of this and they were
showing it super up close if we’re
getting it done
Um, and it’s also it I
think both of us both you and I felt
like it was had like a strange like
because it’s all lowercase like it was
like was it her handwriting
Yeah, we didn’t think so until they
posted the video and we were both like
well we were wrong
We thought we knew
her handwriting apparently
I mean it’s
a weird T because it looks like an
upside down cross and then it’s a weird
M because it doesn’t have like the
little is that called a serif
I don’t
know
Yeah, the little like up part at the
beginning of the end
Um, but we got to
see Yeah
that they were like choosing
Drew wrote a bunch of T’s and they were
choosing the tea
Like it was really
cool
Um, so Drew says about basically
about the tattoo
Drew said, “I realize now how important
time is, how meaningful, how not to take
it for granted
Time is our most
precious commodity
” So, let’s hear her
chatting about the meaning of this
tattoo to her
The reason I got this
tattoo that says time was because I was
explaining to my daughter Frankie a
couple years ago that I really think the
great healer can be time
Another reason
is I believe in timing
Timing is
everything
And also I’ve come to
believe that time is the most precious
commodity I have
I’m getting to a time
in my life and an age and a place where
things look different
I don’t have all
the time in the world
And I want a way
to carry this with me and have a
beautiful reminder of how much I now
respect and appreciate time and that it
does heal and it is the best thing in
the world
I was just going to say I almost
want to like do like hash marks every
time she says time in like three
different contexts she uses time
Also, I’m like when she’s talking about
how like precious it is, I’m like,
“Okay, then this is why she no longer
has like 25 different projects going
This is why we’re saying goodbye to some
of her businesses
It all makes sense
Time goes quickly
Um, all right
Tattoo number 14 are this um this very
meaningful string of numbers that we
mentioned earlier, 222
And she received this within 20 days, 20
or 21 days of us recording this episode
She received it
She opened her mailbox
and there it was
She received it
I’m I like it
Um, and it was done at a a tattoo studio
called Bang Bang Tattoo in New York by
Sarah Corey
And it is on her right
outer forearm
So, she’s got these like
if she was like a boxer, you know, and
put her arms up and like, you know, was
getting ready
She’d have time and these numbers and
people would be like, “What what the
heck does that mean
It’s time to knock you out
Too too too
much
” I don’t know
So, we had to come here to do tattoo two
for this 22
Are you guys following
So, if anyone out there doesn’t know,
Drew’s birthday is 222, February 22nd,
and my birthday is 111
So, I always
feel that connection with her
I love
111 and 11
Anyway, 22 has always been
her lucky number
She’s often used it in
her films and it’s even on beautiful
appliances and promo photos
The time is
set to 2:22, which I love
And at some
point, fairly recently, I’m going to
guess last year or so
Probably on the
Drew Barrymore show, she did say like,
I’m thinking of getting a 222 tattoo
Um, so we knew that this was probably
coming and it so it wasn’t a surprise
It was very fun when the pictures
appeared that uh the tattoo artist
shared on her Instagram
I love the
pictures of Drew
They’re so darling
So happy
So, originally in our first like go
around of coverage of this episode 12,
we did get into piercings as well
because we just thought like it’d be fun
to include that and like rumors of
piercings that have been out there about
her her actual like ear piercings, her
tongue piercings she had for a while
So, if you guys are interested in
hearing about that as well, go back and
listen to episode 12
All right
Thank you guys for joining us
for our tattoo
redo
[Laughter]
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Um, a question
to take us out
What’s your favorite of
Drew’s tattoos
I guess in like first instinct I just
have to go with the butterfly
Like it
is just so
so iconic
It’s just so part of mid ‘9s Drew and I
just love it and it, you know, inspired
my butterfly that I got in the spot
where her Jamie tattoo is, which is a
little confusing, but yeah, I didn’t
want one on my belly
Yeah, that makes sense
Um, for
me, I think I think I actually said in
the previous episode that I really loved
the moon tattoo, and I still do
Like,
weirdly, it’s a weirdly like it’s so
blurry, you know, like it’s not it
doesn’t look good anymore, but I
realized like I’m going to be getting a
tattoo soon, and I might have a moon
incorporated somewhere
Okay, I really
did like deep down kind of love that
Um, is it my favorite
It’s not my favorite in style
I asked I
like how I ask these questions and I
don’t really have an answer
You need like a bunch of different
categories
Which do you love in
meeting
Which do you love
aesthetically
Which
which do you love for nostalgia
But you know what
In like the
in the grand scheme of things, it
probably is the butterfly
All right
Good choice
You know,
we’re so in sync
Thank you for uh coming with us through
this metamorphosis and uh we’ll see you
all next Tuesday
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I’m an
and I’m Ashley and we are the giggle
girls
And I was like I’m in such a good
mood right now and also we like I know
and it’s it’s good but we also have to
start this episode on kind of a little
bit of a dark note but maybe it’s good
that we’re bringing a lot of heart to
it
So, before we get into this little
girl lost wrap-up, which is like a big
deal, we wanted to take a moment to
dedicate this episode to someone
special
Um, somebody in the Drewie
community who a lot of you know, um, Bob
James Monday
um, passed away earlier this year and we
haven’t had a moment to mention it and
it just felt like this is a time maybe a
lot of people will be coming here to
listen to this episode and
we know him as James
James, we loved
him
Um, I mean, we can kind of go into
the background for those of you who
don’t know who he is
So, James was the husband of Missy
and James and Missy, from what I recall,
they actually met because she hired him
to help her start a Drew fan site
That’s what I remember,
which is so like
just there’s Drew being someone else’s
origin story, right
And um we’re talking this is like mid
’90s and Missy ran these incredible fan
sites and the grapevine which was the
message board where Ann and I met and so
many of our other Drewie friends
So it
was a very sweet wonderful community
Um
I like to think that sort of like the
spirit of their websites are like
totally in the DNA of everything Ann and
I do
the Drew and How You Drew
It is
like we are trying to keep that, you
know, that spirit alive of what we used
to feel back in the late 90s and early
2000s
Absolutely
I couldn’t agree more
Like
I think it’s we we’ve mentioned like
Missy a bunch here and there, but I
think that like unless you were like
there with us, you might not even
realize how formative that all was
And
it has everything to do with Missy and
James
And we wouldn’t I mean we
wouldn’t even know each other let alone
anything else but like I don’t think we
would be doing this without like what
they had built you know
like because it built like such a
foundational like grooiness in us that
it’s like that is like
totally
who I am it’s foundational like I don’t
know everything about it like built our
love for each other and Drew and anyway
totally
it was it’s important for us to mention
here if you knew James some people know
him as Bob a lot of people in his
regular life knew him as Bob, but I got
a chance to meet James
I’m so glad that happened
I
think it was in 2014
I was trying to
remember the year
But um Missy and
James went to Disneyland and I got a
chance to meet them both and spend a few
hours with them with Jolina and I’m so
grateful that that happened
And Missy,
if you’re out there, we’re just sending
like so much love your way
To their whole family
like
it’s been really heartbreaking and we
just we’ve we’ve been trying to find the
right episode to dedicate to him
So
because Little Girl Lost is just such a
like OG Drooy thing I guess I feel and
because of what we accomplished with
this episode which like would never have
happened without what they built
Oh my god
I just Yeah, we want to dedicate this
episode to the memory of him
So
we miss you
We miss you
We miss that community and
I’m so glad a lot of us are still here,
including us
Okay, should we take a take a turn
Yeah, let’s take a big turn
Get into
some Drew stuff
It all relates, guys
Yeah, it’s all
that’s all we’re here to talk about
ever,
right
So, um, let’s talk about this new
old discovery
Uh, so wild
We love a new old discovery,
right
So, in 1981, Drew apparently did
a commercial for a Canadian restaurant
called Smitties and they what
Like just
posted it on their Instagram
Just this past week
Um, it is so cute
Like, we didn’t even know this existed
We know that Drew did a lot of
commercials as a child and we probably
know of like seven
There’s probably so
many more still undiscovered, right
Um,
yeah, she’s in this really cute like tap
dancing outfit and she’s got like a
puppet
It’s a little confusing
I don’t
really understand the premise, but at
the very end, it like cuts away to her
sitting in the restaurant with her mom,
Jade
I’m like, “Oh, of course she had
to get her stuff
“
Of course
I’m actually going to play it
cuz it’s short enough and the audio is
really cute
So, let’s listen to it
[Music]
That’s good
That’s good
That’s better
Has quick
service
Come to make
[Music]
[Laughter]
It’s so it’s really cute
She It’s
really kind of hard to see hear what
she’s saying cuz she’s almost like
so young
She’s like
strong
It’s given a little bit of that
It’s like It’s like earlier than that
So it’s like right
I mean it’s how much
earlier than that
probably probably
just a little bit, maybe a couple
months
I don’t know
Yeah, it’s close
It’s so cute
So, you guys have to go
check it out cuz it’s adorable
Like,
yeah, we will link to it on the episode
page on how todrew
So, new old stuff is always going to get
us excited
This is my favorite thing in the world
New old stuff
It’s the best
It’s the best
Talking
about things we love
Oh, great segue
Tell us what Drew proclaimed her love
for recently
I love
Okay, none of these should be a
surprise
Drew loves a suit
Yeah, of course
She loves Steven Colbear’s wife as we
She loves to proclaim that, too
Yeah, it’s easy here
And did you know this
She loves her
children
Can you believe it
I can’t believe it
Also, like she must
have just not said it in those exact
words for it to be new, right
I double checked the list
It wasn’t on
there
I mean, if you guys don’t realize, these
are all new things
If you haven’t
looked at the site, there’s this really
adorable page that Ashley’s curated of
all the links that Drew’s proclaimed her
love for since we started this podcast
It’s pretty fun
So, I always go double
check it
I’m like always on that page
And most of the time I’m like
already got it
Like I think we had mac
and cheese way late in the game and we
were super surprised
So, let’s get back into it
So,
what did you pull for the Druism of the
week
you know those cool little isms
that we do
Okay, this is Drew talking as she has
many many many many times about how she
is really learning how to stop speaking
to herself in an unkind way
And then I just this is all new to me
So I’m like a wobbly calf that just got
born
[Laughter]
I love how her wobbly calf sounds like
her turkey sound
That’s perfect
So cute,
guys
This is one of our favorite
things
All right, so we have some other
really fun stuff
And guys, it has to do
with us
So that’s kind of fun
Let’s go to our
mailbox
You’ve got mail
Okay, the first one comes from
Instagram
Some comments from DGirl424
and they say, “How did I not know about
you until tonight
Hello from your new
follower and podcast subscriber
You
will literally make my days so happy
I
can’t even begin to tell you how much
I’ve needed this in my life
Thank you, D girl
I hope you’re
listening so you can hear us shouting
you out and like
and thanks for finding us
Yeah, absolutely
Um, all right
This
other one is like so sweet
It’s one of
those like that when we get them this is
like this is why we do this, right
I was just thinking about that
So, this is um a DM on Instagram
from the podcast All the Film Things
Also, that it’s another podcast is
always so cool
All right
So, hi Ann and Ashley
My
name is Elizabeth and I just wanted to
say I love your podcast
I listened to
your Melan Monroe episode and thoroughly
enjoyed it from the research you put
into it to your dynamic as longtime
friends and fans of Drew
Your passion
for her is clear, but I especially loved
how you both exuded the same upbeat,
bubbly demeanor that Drew naturally has
Like Drew, you brighten people’s days
through your podcast
So, I look forward
to listening to your podcast more and
more
If you can see our faces right now,
we’re just like
I know we’re both like
try not to cry
That’s so sweet
So sweet
So sweet
It’s why we do it
Throw that in here, please
Yeah, sure
So sweet
[Laughter]
Elizabeth, thank you
Also, Elizabeth
and I have been DMing a little bit more
and we’re talking about maybe guesting
on her podcast
So, yeah
Oh, that’s very cool
Um, but yes,
thank you so much, Elizabeth
We do
it for you
She’s definitely like one of us
You
know what I mean
Like tell by her
One of us
All right
Um, we’re going to go to the
kind comments corner
We were kind of
just there, but we’re going to go to
Drew’s
So, here we go
So sweet
Any excuse to use that sound clip
It’s adorable
Okay, this is a comment
on an Instagram video of Drew meeting a
therapist in the Drew Barrymore Show
audience who told Drew that she had
always been her role model
Totally get
that
So, the comment is from
froggy bun
Adorable name
It
says, “What I love about Drew is that
she has likely heard sentiments like
this over and over again throughout her
life
This woman is not the first person
to tell her, “You’ve been my role model
But it doesn’t matter because Drew still
absorbs what she’s saying and really
listens
She receives the compliment and
it moves her to tears
Drew has also
been my role model for this very reason
She is so real
She doesn’t allow being
rich and famous to keep her from having
real connections with real people
I mean absolutely 100% the 100 emoji
stamp
Yeah, stamp right on that
Um, I mean, I
guess I’ll just like just comment about
that particular thing is like Drew does
not realize that she’s Drew Barrymore
Like, she knows it, but like her
security, I think we’ve mentioned this
before, like told me like,
yeah, I have to constantly like try to
tell her stop like like touching people,
like stop like letting people hug you
and like and anyway, she she’s not going
to stop doing that because that’s her
She’s
No, that’s why we love her
and she is that
That is that is her
Anyway, great
comment, Froggy Bun
Also, great name
Let’s go back in time a little
bit and see who pulled for this week in
Drew history
September 9th, 2002
Very recent
to us, right
So recent
There was filming that happened on
the beach at Zuma Beach in Malibu
Back to the beach, guys
Back to the beach water
If you know, you know
the beach scene
of Charlie’s Angel’s Full Throttle
So,
we get those hot dog on a stick
costumes
Cameron’s in a bikini to surf
Deme Moore shows up for the first time
Is Drew Annie in that
Yes, that’s the one where she’s Annie on
her name tag
I’m pretty sure
Just for you
Actually, I think it was like a
reference to the movie Foxes
Is that
right
That sounds familiar
Okay,
it’s Foxes
Um, this was a very big
deal
FE filming had like just kicked
off
I think we’d only gotten like a
couple other pictures before this one
Um, what’s to say
It was just, this was
such a big deal
It was amazing
I mean, you already mentioned Demi
Moore
The Demi Moore thing was huge cuz
like what
She hadn’t done a movie in a
long time and she was like in a bikini
It was a huge deal
She was 40 in a bikini
So, also just
have to like if you don’t know what the
hot hot hot dig on a stick costume is,
like if you haven’t like if you don’t
like remember that off the top of your
head, it’s like worth looking that up
Yeah, we’ll definitely share some
pictures
What’s one of the coolest things that is
worth talking about in this is what from
the flower press like magazines randomly
and uh wildflower
that’s where these pictures appeared
So incredibly beautiful selfies of
Drew in the mirror
When you look at
them at first, like I think we both
thought like, oh my god, these are from
like n the early 90s because she’s got
curly blonde hair
Yeah, I thought like Bad Girls era
I
thought like 93,
right
Totally tricked me
You can’t really tell in that picture
You can tell in the movie, but
Right
Those pictures are beautiful
They’re black and white
They’re taken
with her like camera that I also love
And she also, one of the cutest things
in the scene is she’s got um the word
crush with a star written on her arm
So, it’s like I think a couple times in
this movie, she’s got stuff written on
her arm
There’s one other I can’t think of what
it says off the top of my head, but when
they do the like dance scene in uh
Natalie’s new place when they’re moving
in, there’s something on her arm in
that
Drew loves riding on her arms
If
you guys don’t know,
there’s also something on her arm in the
um dirt, not the dirt bike
Oh, yeah
That one says Jerk the monster
truck,
right
Yeah, she was definitely really into the
name, the writing on the arm for that
movie
Yeah, she was
Okay, so there’s so much
in this episode before we get to like an
amazing episode
So, let’s let’s uh run
through a couple more like great things
worth mentioning, though
So, what’s new
with Drew
Here we go with the news,
everybody
So, as I correctly
predicted in our last episode,
finally there is a new Love Drew segment
in US Weekly
If you guys don’t know
what that is, basically since Drew
magazine folded at the end of last year,
they are now doing these mini versions
of that in US Weekly
It’s supposed to
be quarterly
So, um, the September 1st
issue
on my library, John Stamos is on the
cover, but you found it in person and
and Taylor Swift and whatever the Kelchi
dude is
They’re on the cover
We don’t even know
Couldn’t care less
They’re on the cover on mine with a
little like John Stamos in the corner
Anyway,
okay
So, check check your issues
Um,
there’s 11 full pages, which is amazing
Yeah,
I know
Oh, and it has all those same
features from Drew magazine
So, there’s
like her playlist, there’s a travel
feature, must have products, Dear Drew
advice column
So, yeah, check it out
There’s new photos taken by Ramona
Rosales um that apparently are for
Flower Eyewear, even though we cannot
determine that that’s actually a thing
I I think that they just like take
things for Barrymore brands and then
they use them everywhere
That’s totally
how it feels
It makes sense
There’s like a part of
me that doesn’t like it because new
stuff
And it just feels like
disorganized
It’s the way that I organize things
I feel like it feels dishonest
Let’s just talk about how much we hate
it
We love Drew
We love this love Drew
segment
It’s so fun
I mean, I know
Um, I do think there was a really like
touching response in one of the Dear
Drew letters that like got me
I
remember thinking that I mean they
always are great
So anyway, check it
out
I mean, if you have a
library card, a lot of libraries have
these for free, right
I mean, digitally I’ve been that’s
where I got all the images
Yeah, you
can look at the whole thing on through
your library, which is great
Anyway, go libraries
Okay, here we go
We got more
I’m not
gonna read this full list, but a lot of
the guests that are announced for season
six of the Drew Barrymore Show um have
come out
There’s some good ones
The
show will already be back by the time
this episode comes out
But uh just real
quick, Katherine Zeta Jones, Michael
Douglas, Jennifer Aniston, Jessica
Chastain,
David Letterman,
definitely excited about that and
feeling very inspired about that right
now
See what that means later
Anybody else
on this list you want to shout out
I mean, did you say Martha Stewart
I
feel like that’s kind of always a good
guest,
but she comes on a lot
But
does she I don’t know
So, I feel
like it’s fun
I’m excited to see David
Letterman on her show
Has he been on at
all
He surprised her on her birthday
The
first time they did a birthday episode
for her, he surprised her
and it was amazing
And it was so like
full circle because of his birthday, the
flashing
And again, I’m inspired
That’s gonna come up a little bit more
So, a little couple more fun things
because Drew just can’t stop right now
The drought is over, guys
Hibernation
has been complete
She is out of the
cave
Drew drought over
Drew drought
I feel
like there’s got to be another word in
there that makes it aiteration
Drew Drew drought is done
Drew drought is done
Also, the Drew
drought departure has happened
Say that five times fast
Drew drought departure
Drew has been announced as a presenter
for the Video Music Awards, which feels
like so random and it’s been so random
Is the last time like definitely the
next
There was like a virtual one
I don’t
even know what these shows are like
anymore
Hopefully hopefully this isn’t
virtual
I guess we can’t say for sure
Um,
yeah
I mean, nothing’s ever going to
compare to 1995 when she showed up in
that black gown and that blonde wig and
presented to like
So, I guess this is this happening this
weekend
We’re recording before it’s
happening
Well, maybe you’ll have
something to say about it next week
I
mean,
hopefully
I mean, yeah, if it was really cute,
hopefully
Um,
if it sucks, we won’t even mention it
again
We will not mention it
But, um,
speaking of cute stuff, there’s another
commercial for Garnier
I feel like it’s
maybe been a little while since they’ve
done them
And this one is like for the
National Parks Foundation and it’s so
cute
I’m such a big fan of the National
Parks and it’s adorable
They probably filmed it at the same time
as the other one where she has like the
big postcards, remember
It’s like
a continuation of that, but adorable
It’s totally cute
Like the
jean shirt is really cute
She’s wearing
like a big belt
I don’t know
It’s
adorable
Anyway, very cute
Another thing to look
online for
It’s adorable
Um it’s an
ad, but it’s adorable and we love Drew
So, it’s all right if she just keeps
doing these collabs, right
Um, all
right
And then, uh, we still have a
couple more things, guys
So, there
there’s because the show has is coming
out with a new season, they have new,
um, artwork for the Drew Barrymore show
Well, clearly they are in our DMs
because I was messaging or our texts
because I was messaging you complaining
that I can’t believe they haven’t
released new image for the new season
They’re so lazy
And then
and then there it is
Well, I and I said something like,
oh yeah,
I think I said something like, “Oh, they
wouldn’t want to lose the mac and cheese
vibes of the old of the old photo shoot,
and then the new one is exactly the same
colors
It looks just like craft mac and
cheese
“
I mean, someone is definitely reading
our messages
That’s all I can say
That’s the only explanation
No, it’s
beautiful
She looks great
She looks great
I love the I was just
going to say that, Ashley
I was going
to say I love the velvety shoes
Like
it’s the velvety that makes him so cool
Anyway, she’s looking beautiful as
always,
guys
Again, share that on the episode page as
well if you missed it, but it’s on
Drew’s Instagram, so you probably saw
it,
right
And I don’t know if we’re talking
fast enough, but we got one more cool
thing
Oh my god
Okay, so last night, as of this
recording, Drew was a surprise last
minute guest on Late Show with Steven
Cobear, which is always fun
They have a
great connection
And because this is
funny again, someone’s listening to us
It’s the universe
The last time she
went there, we were talking about how we
never really realized that they film in
the Ed Sullivan’s uh theater, which is
where Letterman was filmed
So like so much history there
So, she brings it up and she’s
talking about how she had so much great
time with Letterman in that studio and
uh she’s trying to do the dance
She’s
like even says, “You want me to do a
little dance
“
I promise you
I don’t I promise you
that was just a joke
Says almost exactly
Must have watched it right beforehand
And she gets up on that desk and does
not flash him
But she dances
Well, she dances and it’s so cute
So,
so cute
and underneath this like
adorable I love the outfit she was
wearing
Um those shoes were really darn
cute
She w takes them off, gets on the
desk, takes off or I guess she takes off
this jacket thing first and on the back
of the shirt is like bedazzled we love
Steven
It’s so cute
Matthew Kilgore did that
Of course
I kept seeing him post it
Oh, is Col Bear ending
It’s like and it’s pretty like
I know it’s pretty weird and like they
don’t understand why and he might have
said something about Trump, right
Problematic that it’s CBS
Yeah, that’s
a whole another story
It’s somewhat political
Maybe Colbear
is beloved
So, people are up in arms,
including she loves Steven
Um anyway,
it was so cute
We can’t get over how
cute it is
Well, we’re going to talk
more about this, guys
Um yeah, the only other note I made, um
their conversation’s great, so go watch
it
But um I was a little shocked
because we are deep in Little Girl Lost
as you’re about to hear
I was a little shocked to hear her just
openly tell the story about hiding weed
under a Motel 6 mattress in New Orleans
during an RV trip and forgetting it
there
And we know she went there in 96
with Nancy on their RV trip
There’s a
chapter in Wildflower about it
So, I
was like, it was just a little jarring
cuz, you know, we are talking so much
and her breaking her sobriety by smoking
pot and like, “Oh, this is so weird
“
I also feel like maybe it’s because like
I don’t know
I feel like I am surprised
to like know that Drew smoked then, but
also like not at all
Yeah, totally
That’s exactly how I
feel
It’s surprising and it’s not,
right
But it’s also like such a fun
little fact to just be casually tossed
out when we’re going to get into the
drama
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All right, so let’s get into the weekly
topic
Um, we have been working on this
weekly topic for a year and a half
I
mean, literally, if you look at like all
the work we’ve done, if you’ve been
following on Patreon, I hope that you
have
If you haven’t, let me just like
put a little reminder
So, yeah
So, we have covered the
entire Little Girl Lost book chapter by
chapter
So, we have 16 episodes like
literally deep diving on each chapter
over there
Um, and it’s all in honor of
its 35th anniversary, which is this
year, which is crazy
Yeah, we tried to wrap up this by J by
uh February, so it would like be the
anniversary
That didn’t quite happen,
but we still made it in under the under
the wire
We we still did it, guys
We still did
it
But if you want all that, if you
want all that information that we d like
dug out that Ashley like literally like
pulled out of the dregs um nitty-gritty
details, named names like they, you
know, they use like fake names in this
um
yeah,
excerpts from the chapters because we’re
not going to read a lot of it here
We
just have so much to get through um and
lots of like our personal opinions and
all that stuff
you have to go to
Patreon because you’re there’s so much
and we are like
this the like select few that have
listened
Thank you for hearing it all
and you’re just going to hear a summary
of it now
But and guys, it’s a dollar a
month and you’ll get not only the 16
exclusive episodes going through every
chapter, but a lot of like supplementary
stuff, magazine articles and photos that
go along with this
Um,
we did a lot of work
We’ve
been just enjoying this project
immensely
And now we’re gonna wrap it
up in like a giant summary with an
unbelievably special ending
Like I mean, do we even like tease it
here
I don’t know if we do
If you’re
looking at the title, you know what’s
going on
We won’t even say it
Maybe
we’ll say it in a minute
So,
trigger warnings
I know we’re in such a
good mood, but like also if you know
anything about Little Girl Loss, it’s
about what Drew went through as a like
recovering alcoholic drug abuser
So, it
goes over I don’t know why I’m laughing
Abuse, addiction, self harm, and talks
of suicide
So, this is all just putting
it out there
You know, this is an
intent
I’m
going to do a little content warning
Um I mean, let’s just read the
front of the book blurb
Right there on
the front of the book, it says, “A child
star descent into addiction and out
again
” We could just wrap it up with
that
Should we even like talk more than
that
It kind of sums it all up
Let’s just not even do the show
Bye, guys
Um I think the back of the book
because it, you know, we’re going to
summarize it, but also like it’s
interesting what they decided was like,
you know, eye-catching
So the first
thing is a quote by Drew from the book
It says, “I had my first drink at 9:00,
began smoking marijuana at 10:00, and at
12 took up cocaine
“
Also,
just to be that person,
her first drink was at the Fire Starter
Rap Party, which would have been 1983,
which would have made her eight
Just
saying
It’s wrong on the back of the book
But Drew never knows how old she was or
when things happened
So, we’ll give her
a pass
She didn’t know then
So, I’m
going to read the kind of like summary
on the back of the book
It says,
“Six-year-old Drew Barrymore became
America’s adored child star as the
wideeyed muppet Gertie in the film ET
Three years later, Drew succumbed to the
addictions that had haunted the
Barrymore family for generations
As Drew’s acting career took off, doors
opened for the ch charming star,
including the doors of late night clubs,
where soon she was a party girl trying
desperately to keep up with her older
friends
“
Yeah, if you want to hear how much
older, go to Patreon
Out of control, she used drinks and
drugs to numb her painful feelings,
often to the point of passing out
Drew
Barrymore began the process of
rebuilding her self-esteem at a
rehabilitation clinic at age 13
One more blurb says, “Little Girl
Lost is written from the heart of a
young girl whose experience mirrors that
of many young boys and girls whose lives
are tragically changed when they turn to
drugs or alcohol
Day by day, Drew
Barrymore’s making it
She knows other
kids can make it, too
” It’s pretty
helpful
And I have to say it’s
been a really long time since I’ve read
that like in depth, which sounds so
silly because we’ve been like combing
through this book
But
but yeah,
it’s very um telling that that’s how it
ends because the whole point of her
writing this book was not only to tell
her own side of the story, but she
wanted to help other kids with similar
problems
So, I love that that’s right
there on the cover of the book
So, a little bit of
background on the book before we do like
a summary, which we’ll say is quick, but
it’s probably not going to be so quick
because a lot of happens
So, Drew first did an article
about her issues for People magazine
It
was for a cover feature that came out
for their January 16th, 1989 issue
She
did that with Todd Gold
Little asterisk right there, little pin
mark
Um, and that led into them doing
the book together
So Todd has parts in
the books that are like third person
insets
There’s most of the book is, you
know, from Drew’s POV
There’s also a
couple segments with her mother Jade’s
POV, which are interesting to say the
least
Um, so Drew began working with
Todd on the book at the very end of 1988
when she was fresh out of treatment, not
for the last time sadly, and they spent
eight months together tape recording her
recollections of everything that
happened
So, we kind of learned
recently
It doesn’t really sound like
maybe Drew was there pen to paper except
for some of her um writings from the
hospital that she had to do as
assignments, but she’s sitting down with
Todd and telling him everything and he
is, you know, essentially ghostriting
for her
And the prologue of the book
immediately lets the reader know that
she was hoping to end it with this like
happily ever after, but um she had
relapsed and two more chapters were
added to the end of the book
So they
like I think we’re pretty much like
ready to go and then we going to we’re
going to retool this and she wanted to
be honest which is amaz I love that the
book just starts off tells you right
from the start before you even get into
it
I mean this book is cool guys
It really
is
You know, like it’s pretty cool that we
have this
It’s sad that it’s a it’s
recounting a story of a child who went
through something, but this child became
Drew Barrymore
Drew Barrymore, you
know, like,
and when you read what she went through
and read the state of mind she’s in from
the majority of the book and then you
reconcile that with the woman she is
today and all of her success and all of
her happiness and positivity, it’s just
like, how could anyone not be inspired
by her
A real survival story
We’re going to just kind of flow through
the book
Like we said, we’re not going
to pull like actual quotes
There are
some really great ones
So anyway, so
the book opens with some happy memories
of working on ET and then like hard cut
to droop being in treatment and the
National Inquirer breaking the story as
her addiction struggles
If you guys
don’t know what the National Enquirer
is, it’s a a tabloid, but it’s like
tabloid
It’s like tabloid rag mag like
it’s like TMZ before TMZ existed,
right
And it was like I mean I think it
was like weekly on every freaking news
stand
Is it still on the news stand
I don’t know
I’ll go tell you when I
look for US weekly
Interesting
Anyway, it’s like so like
synonymous with like tabloid
Um anyway, so they broke the story
It
It’s messed up
So um the book goes into
some general backstory about Drew’s
family history with addiction and how
Drew began smoking, drinking, and using
drugs
Um and as well as Jade’s part in
everything
So it kind of just like
almost summarizes it, I guess
Um then the book goes on to describe
what life was like in the hospitals ASAP
program
Um we go into like a lot about
like where this place is and all that in
the in the um Patreon
Ashley like dug
she dug
I’ll just say when Drew visits it on the
Drew Barrymore show in season two, they
went to the wrong place
Just say that
So if you want to know
the right place and why they got it
confused, go to Patreon
There is one quote here,
I guess
So Drew explains why she
wanted to share her story
This is
exactly what you were saying about the
back of the book
Says, “I didn’t want
to be considered another Hollywood
tragedy
That’s the last thing I am
I’m
a success
That’s why I decided to tell
my story
If I had learned anything,
it’s always better to tell the truth
And by doing so, maybe it will help
other kids not to end up like me
Oh, so sweet
All right, so the book
gets into more about the Barrymore
family history
We all know those
stories
Um, it talks about her very
early life as a baby being raised just
by her mother, Jade
Um, and how she got
into acting
There’s a whole the whole
puppy food commercial story bit on the
nose
Um, there’s stuff about Suddenly
Love, the TV movie that she did
And it
gets into how Drew was just absolutely
determined to be an actress despite what
the book tells us were Jade’s
reservations
So, this was all against
Jade’s will
No, go take a nappy
Yeah, go take a nappy
No, I want to be an actress
Like I was just like quoting this
people, what the hell are they talking
about
Anyway,
you gota you got to be in on our jokes
There’s a lore to our podcast now
Um, and then we get this story of Drew’s
first memory of her dad at age three
And it is very violent, very scary, and
that is like how she first comes to meet
him
And he pretty much stays very much
that way throughout her whole childhood
And we’re continuing on Drew’s
career
So, at age four, Drew gets her
first feature film role in the movie
Altered States, which is like sci-fi
I
need I feel like I need to rewatch it
I
might actually appreciate it weirdly
now
Yeah, you know, it’s pretty wild
Maybe we go over one of those weird like
those couple weird movies at some point
Like Bogey and Altered States
double feature,
right
So, um it starts to
explain in the book why Drew loves
acting so much
This is something we
know about her
like
this is like something that stuck with
her her whole life and still sticks with
her
whole life
Um Drew loved acting so much
because there was a feeling of belonging
with this onset family, quote unquote
Um and this is like it literally like
she’s called it a tribe
She calls her a
work family
Like she really this is
this became her family
Um, Drew felt
extremely lonely at home and it explains
that Jade was constant at work and um,
Drew had this longing for her dad
She
just wanted a presence
I think, you
know,
didn’t have to be him
No,
I mean, in a way, you know, it’s like
she was the idea of a dad
The figure
She was looking
for that figure always
That’s a theme
um she finally got to spend a little
time a little time with her dad and he
ended up being abusive and putting her
hand in a candle flame
So hence yeah maybe he wasn’t the right
person that she needed to be around but
she guess she had to learn this lesson
by literally being burned
And then go
he’s trying to say like is he trying to
tell her like anyway
Oh, he’s saying like pain is in
your mind
His all that kind of like
rambling BS he used to do
Like I know him but we know
we do kind of feels Buddhist, you know
He’s like kind of like in your mind
The flickering Buddha in the in the
corner
Like those are all his kind of
things he would say
So um Drew said she fell in love with
the script for ET and easily landed the
part of the little sister Gertie
We
know that there was a whole like
interviewed for poltergeist and then got
easy
That whole thing
they interviewed me for Poltergeist
She’s not really like the girl in the
park
I could do little Drew all day
Yeah, you could
Um and of
course we know we know people know
Maybe maybe we know but other people
don’t know
Uh Drew had the best time
filming ET
Um, Stephen, speaking of
father figures, um, Drew had Steven
Spielberg on the set of this and he was
really one of the first adults who felt
like that parental figure in her mind
She sort of like saw him
I don’t know
He he brought himself down to like
the child level and like hit them in the
face
Like that was that’s what people
know about Steven Spielberg
And I think it’s important that we
dis if you’re new here, we dispel the
myth
He was not her godfather who just
put put her in his movie
They didn’t
have they didn’t know each other
He became a godfather type figure in her
life because they bonded on this movie
She’s the reason he wanted to have kids
He saw she was lacking very much in
structure and family and he took on that
role symbolically
So just to set the
record straight
Is proverbial like the right word to
use
I don’t know
I don’t know
Um, but anyway, yes, thank
you for saying that
So, Jade quits her jobs and her
own like struggling acting career that
have been going on and becomes Drew’s
full-time manager
And then ET comes out and they were
totally unprepared for how huge that
movie was
Like, how could I became the
biggest movie of all time,
right
And Drew and her co-stars literally
became famous overnight
And seven-year-old Drew does like all
this press
She’s traveling the world
She goes on the Tonight Show with Johnny
Carson
She hosts SNL and she’s still
the youngest host ever to this day
Like,
yep
A lot for a seven-year-old
And I’m just
going to say really quick, you were just
looking, we were just looking at
pictures of like the promotion for ET
And I think you said something about
like, oh my god, the photographers or
like all the kids waiting for her
autograph
Like it kind of made you feel
weird
And it’s because of this book
that we feel that I know
Like we know
how she was feeling is scared
It was
very overwhelming for her
Um, and then
going back to school after all this was
totally difficult
She doesn’t fit in
anymore
She’s getting teased
They call
her ET, which makes no sense, right
Um,
she has yet another abusive encounter
with her dad um where he’s doing like
karate kicks to her and stuff like that
And then she decides she does not want
to see him anymore
And I think she
really doesn’t for the rest of the book
Like I don’t think she sees him again
until she’s a teenager
That’s wild
They talk, but I guess
they don’t see each other,
right
That’s kind of weird
It is weird
Um, and then she does
another movie called Irreconcilable
Differences, and it’s totally opposite
from ET, the filming experience
It’s
really hard
There’s like fighting on
it’s just not enjoyable
And she
considers quitting acting because it was
just that rough
So, um, Drew then and this is like
it kind of like goes through her
biography, but I think it’s good that it
does
I don’t know
tells us a lot about
how quickly her career was climbing
also
So, um, she lands the lead role in
Stephen King’s Fire Starter, and we have
an episode about that, by the way
Um,
and temporarily moves to Wilmington,
North Carolina
Um, and she says filming is an
exhausting experience, and they’re doing
a lot of late nights because it’s like,
um, because it’s like fire and anyway,
they want the night
Drew becomes what she calls like an
honorary me member of her stand-ins
family, the wards
Do we talk about the
wards for a second here
No, I mean we can just say we met them,
which is crazy
Yeah, if you if you want to hear about
that, listen to our episode about going
on the Drew Barrymore show, which is
also crazy
Guys, let’s let’s get back
into this
Um, yeah, the meeting the
words was just totally surprising
They
were very sweet
So anyway, we kind of
like reading this knowing them is like
weird knowing
it’s like characters out of a book
coming into your real life
It’s very
strange
Said to them,
but it felt like to me
I don’t know
I
probably just said that privately
probably
Anyway, so um the wards, they
were exactly what Drew was craving
because she was so unhappy with her
lonely home life
So this was like the
epitome of family, right
Just lots of stories about what it was
like to be part of such a quote unquote
normal family
Mom, dad, brother, sister, like
Yeah
go to church, eat dinner together,
white pick a fence
Like you can only
imagine, right
So, at the rep party, Drew bet some crew
members that she can down two glasses of
champagne, which she does, and passes
out
Back in LA, Drew and Jade began going
out to parties and events on a regular
basis
So, you’re you said earlier she’s
eight years old
So, um
I know there’s a lot of in our Patreon
episodes when I’m just like digesting
information that’s so upsetting
So, um
uh they go back to North Carolina the
following summer to film Cats Eye, which
we did like a combo episode for these
two,
another Stephen King story, and gets to
basically live with the words again
So,
she like has to go through this, but
it’s also she’s
like it’s breaking her heart each each
time she’s like leaving this family
And this is a I mean that’s another
reoccurring theme in her life getting
close to people
I mean it happened on
ET as well
She feels like she’s part of
this family
She has to say goodbye and
leave
Like that’s hard to understand
Why she holds on to her like old friends
so much like her friends are her family
And also like I just like having met
these people which I know it was like
40 years after they spoke to her but
yeah I
they were very um warm
like I just sent and like Drew’s warmth
like anyway
Yeah, they probably were a really
formative part of her personality like
right
it’s and it’s how she wanted like a home
life to feel
So Drew is now nine and she hated
going back to school after filming Cat’s
Eye
It’s like super boring in
comparison to her party life
Like she’s
doing clubs at night and then expected
to go like do math problems and
and have a normal life in the daytime
Um she doesn’t perform well at
school and the teachers and the other
students are absolutely horrible to her
There’s specific examples in the book
that are just heartbreaking
So, club life becomes her sanctuary and
she starts wanting to go out every
night
Like, why not
What’s cooler than
that for a nine-year-old
And
she’s accepted there
She’s part of the
group
Like, this is what she’s always
wanting
And so, she starts smoking cigarettes
and sneak sneaking drinks to mimic the
adults that she’s partying with, of
course
And that includes the brat pack
at Roblo’s birthday
Just have to
include that name drop
And any anytime she’s caught
doing something like this, the
punishment doesn’t stick because an
event comes up
So, we got to go out on
the town again
So, I guess you’re not
grounded anymore
Um, and then there’s also lots of really
fun stories about her crush on classmate
Breen and Meyer and how they learned how
to kiss with each other
So, that’s
definitely like a fun little sidebar
Yeah, I’m picturing the the interview
with the teacher, right
That’s not about Breen, but
Oh, it’s not
It’s about somebody
else
And that was the first kiss
That’s right
So, now jump
forward
Drew is 10, 11
Um, work starts
to slow down for Drew because she’s
reached this age where she’s between
childhood and teenage
So, awkward
We
all know what that’s like
lots of episodesing stories about
like partying and drinking because she’s
trying to escape this like awkward
feeling
I having access to that stuff
at an age
I don’t know
your mind
I mean, I’m not like uh
anyway,
we we have opinions
We have a lot of
strong opinions
So, um Drew’s friend’s mom
eventually casually offers pot to Drew,
which she loves, and begins to spark
start smoking regularly,
including apparently in New Orleans in a
Motel 6
And um so this cycle begins of feeling
horrible about herself and
self-medicating
So this is like
becoming a coping mechanism, a huge one
Um then while this stuff is happening,
Drew gets a role in a film that’s
filming in Germany and that’s Babes in
Toyland
We have an episode about that
It’s freaking crazy
Both the Fire Starter Catsite and the
Babes and Toyland episodes are really
fun because those movies are there’s
some shaky stuff in there and sometimes
talking about those ones are even more
enjoyable than the good ones
Um, so also while she’s in
Germany there’s some wild antics with
Rod Stewart’s band and she’s 10 11 at
this time and she dates a 15year-old on
set
All right
They’re dating
Um, and it talks about them like
making out maybe
So, um,
Drew when she gets back, she changes to
a school that goes up through high
school age
So, this is like elementary
through high school
I guess it’s like
private schools, right
So,
so she begins to party with the older
students who could drive
She has access now
She also I feel like
you know at this point is talking about
like how these sort of people who she
can relate to
She sort of like relate
more to the older kids cuz she’s like a
working actress and then she has to go
like live this normal life
and she knows how to party and the the
high schoolers are like cool now we have
like our little 12-year-old mascot
hanging around with us and she can smoke
and drink too like
right so
party
and during this time Drew of course I
guess maybe I I want to say of course
she becomes more and more alienated from
her mom but I just want to say about
that really quick is like
I feel like Jade keeps saying she is
always there
I guess maybe at this No,
she wasn’t working at this time
So,
it’s weird that she like says
I think her always there is talking
about when they would go to events and
parties and clubs, but now that Drew has
friends with the with cars like bye
Like she is Jade is no longer around and
I don’t think that’s what she’s
referring to
And I feel like I mean I guess we also
know that Jade didn’t
didn’t know what was going on
supposedly
And also like what when you said
of course she becomes more and more
alienated from her mom
It is of course
because she saw Jade as this like thing
that got in the way like an obstacle to
her going out and having fun
If Jade
tried to set any limitations she’s like
now the enemy like mess up my life
There was no punishment that stuck
because for whatever reason but also
whatever Drew basically did what she
wanted
Very much so
Um, so she there’s a whole section where
she’s spending a lot of time at an
unnamed Italian actress’s home
You can
read between the lines or you can go
listen to Patreon to find out who that
is
And she’s hanging out with her two
sons, particularly partying through the
night with the much older one
So,
there’s that, which I hate
Um, things
with Jade just continue getting worse,
including an incident of verbal abuse
from her mom that culminated in Drew
slapping her
That’s a real like shocker
little incident
Um, Drew is totally
miserable and depressed
So then she has to go to New York
against her will to film See You in the
Morning
And this is the first time she
is not even excited about work
And I
love that you like we it’s wr you wrote
it as against her will or that you said
against her will because she’s literally
saying like
I don’t want it
jumped out to me reading on this read
like her being like I don’t want to do
this movie and well too bad like this is
good for your career which you know that
really that really bothered me
Um
so they go to New York
Um Drew
befriends a 17-year-old model named
Stacy there and they start going to all
the New York clubs together
like just
no, no one cares how old anybody is
Drew’s 12 at this point, about to turn
13,
right
She’s constantly fighting with Jade,
includes there’s a whole time where she
goes on a rampage in their apartment
She breaks vases, a picture of iced tea
She then takes money from Jade’s wallet
and says, “I’m leaving, bitch
“
So, that’s kind of where we’re at there,
just to give one little example
And she
also gets a high school senior boyfriend
named Bobby
And so she’s usually
staying either at Bobby’s house or with
Stacy
Stacy like lives with her sister
and she’s rarely coming home
Maybe stopping in to get some clothes
and then roller skating down the streets
of Manhattan away
The roller skating
is so amazing to imagine
I would love to see a picture of
12year-old Drew roller skating in the
streets of Manhattan
Imagine if someone
has that
Ooh, let’s put it out in the universe
right now
This is going to be a new old thing next
episode
All right
So, speaking of this
boyfriend, Bobby, who is a senior, um,
he’s really to to like very toxic
He’s
like possessive
They’re like always
fighting and it sounds like it’s like
quite tumultuous
There’s a part where they’re like
slapping each other at a party
don’t like that
But Drew romanticizes
it and she had a hard time saying
goodbye to him when filming wrapped
So, yeah
So, then we’re back in LA
Um,
Drew is surprised to learn that one of
her party friends, Chelsea, is now sober
after going through treatment
Drew’s like, “What a what a loser
And then immediately, not
immediately, but she ends up trying
cocaine for the first time at her
school’s prom and is instantly hooked
I’m still thinking about like chem how
this like me like chemically messes with
your brain like that there’s probably a
reason why there was a lot of like um
backlash like with her mom like fighting
like that like I don’t know
totally absolutely yeah
I don’t know and I don’t know
what you said about how she’s instantly
hooked I mean the book makes it sound
like she’s just like coke coke coke like
all the time
right
like no exaggeration
but also like ah just imagine her like
acquiring at this 12-year-old so anyway
Oh my god
One night after staying out like way
past curfew, she comes home completely
wasted and tries to tell her mom to
leave the house
Like she’s literally
like trying to demand I and I I think we
talked about it in in in the Patreon,
but I kept thinking like for Jade,
imagine going through having been with
her dad, Drew’s dad
who did this and then now Drew’s
doing it
It’s definitely mentioned at some
somewhere,
right
I’ve just read something
I don’t
remember if it’s the book or one of the
articles at this time, but she did have
that like, oh, like is my child like
turning into
scary
her dad
So, speaking of that friend who just got
sober, Jade calls Chelsea’s mom to have
her come over so they can take Drew to
the treatment program
So, here we are
like twothirds through the book, I
guess, or something like that
And Drew’s 13 at this point
So, like I
just I I always want to hammer home her
age because it really is just so
shocking
It’s important
So 13-year-old Drew, she’s admitted to
the ASAP treatment program in the middle
of the night
There’s a lot of details
about like the program and what the
intake process was like um at the
center
She’s dealing with like rules
and boundaries for literally the first
time ever in her life
And um she’s miserable and furious about
being stuck there
After a little bit of time, she starts
to sort of warm up to the program
She’s
like coming to terms that she has some
issues and about her unhappiness with
herself and all her with her
parents
But only 12 days, so not even two weeks
after she checks in against medical
advice, she is taken to Northern Nevada
to film the movie Far From Home
So
again, this is like the second project
in a row that’s like she maybe shouldn’t
be doing this,
right
Like
she’s just starting to get in the swing
of things in rehab and they’re like,
“Eh, we got to we got to leave
We got
this movie we got to go to
She’s got work to do
She’s got to
really important far from home
She’s got to support us
She’s got to
go
” Um, so Drew, um, managed to stay
sober for the two months of filming even
though she was still trying to act like
an adult and going out to casinos and
gambling which is just wild
Like I think she says something in this
part about like looking like the age or
something and I’m like maybe cuz like I
mean I don’t know
And I talked about how it would never
work in Las Vegas these days
Like this
is Carson City
I don’t know what it’s
like up there, but
like you you can’t even like stand next
to a slot machine for very long if
you’re not 21 before they come and
they’re like, “Hey,
right,
get out of here
“
Things are different
Things are
different
I mean, let’s let’s also say
like this is the 80s
We haven’t been saying the year, but
like guys, did we say this book came out
in 1990 and we’re talking about, you
know,
the 80s is a free-for-all time
It’s a time
So, um,
Drew checks back to ASAP when filming’s
completed and she realizes that she
experienced what’s called dry time where
she’s hanging out with people who are
using substances even though she wasn’t
herself
So, basically, it’s like not as
bad, but you’re b you’re still
surrounding yourself in those things
Um,
yeah
Six days later,
Brew checks out again to go to New York
to loop some dialogue for see you in the
morning
So, in New York, guess what
She calls her friend Stacy
They go to a
club, and Drew breaks her sobriety by
doing Coke
And there’s this whole Is
this the thing where they’re in the
bathroom
So, it’s it’s a really interesting
exchange
Um, like Drew’s thought
process,
but after this is one of the craziest
things in the book, right
This is like the number one
like, wow
So, is she still 12
She’s 13
So, 13 years old
She does Coke
with her friend Stacy, which leads to
this famous cokefueled incident of Drew
stealing Jade’s credit card, secretly
flying to Los Angeles
She’s like
convincing the gate agent like,
“My mom gave me this credit card to buy
myself, of course
” Anyway, it’s a whole
thing
She books a flight to Hawaii,
gets in a minor car crash, and goes on a
shopping spree until finally getting
stopped by two private agents who are
hired by Jade to take her back to ASAP
And I think they like end up like
encountering her at their house
So Drew
ends up going to their LA home
It’s the
whole thing is like what
Um, you definitely are going to
want to hear the playbyplay if you’re
not familiar with the story
Like that
was a very brief summary
Uh she’s doing
Coke like nonstop
Like to the point
that her friend was even like I think
that’s a little too much
You know,
right
It’s it’s
it’s a binge
It’s a fullon binge
There you go
Can I say something
really quick
I just We didn’t say at the top, but I
feel like I want to say we’re not here
to like shame Drew
Or like or like put any of this stuff
like in the spot like it’s like it’s
going to shock
Like it’s out there and
we’re just I don’t know
I guess I just
wanted to say that like I feel like
we’re not here to be like, “Can you
believe how like wild and disgusting she
was
” It’s more like
I don’t know
It’s more like, “Wow, this girl
struggled and had some real issues and
look at how she turned her life around
She’s amazing
We don’t blame
her
This is all to celebrate the
Yeah, we’re not even like blaming her
mom,
right,
too much
There’s some things that I
can’t help myself for blame her for, but
it, you know, they were a bad combo
I guess I just I just had
to say it because I felt like, oh,
there’s this like part of me that’s just
like
Yeah
I don’t know
Being eaten by the
negativity
I don’t know
You know, but let’s let’s continue
I’m glad you said it
So, Drew is
back in ASAP and she’s super rebellious
and withdrawn um for a while, but she
eventually comes to terms with the fact
that like this binge, she has hit rock
bottom at this point
So, she starts making some really
self-aware lists of her issues and
working on herself while Jade is
intentionally kept away from her
And progress is really slow and it does
briefly go backwards for a little bit
when she starts dating this other teen
in the program named Rick
And he’s a
total loser jerk
We don’t
like Rick
Um, she’s punished with ITP,
which was intensive treatment program, a
record number of times, including once
after being caught in Rick’s room
So,
she’s still acting out
It’s not like
she’s just like, “Okay, I want to be
cured
” Like, she’s she’s
trying, but she’s also still rebelling
because that’s who she is, right
Um, and during all this, Drew’s
paternal grandfather passes away,
and this really deeply affects her and
makes her want to work harder at the
program
And it’s a very touching
segment that also has a whole chapter in
Wild Flowers
It’s kind of it’s one of
the few things that you see in both
books
Really,
Right
Um, which we’re going to
be doing Wildflower next over at
Patreon, guys
So, you want to hear us
talk about that and all the other fun
chapters in Wildflower, do it
Um, Drew in the program is
continuing to work on her self-worth and
to face her issues with her mom and dad,
but this theme of her like parents and
her self worth is like over and and is
still
and they’re very tied
Like when we read
this book, we’re going, “Oh, no wonder
she feels like about herself
No
wonder she talks this way to herself
“
Like,
it’s all like very clear when you see
what she was growing up with
Drew is determined to earn
the right to something called growth
group where she’ll be able to leave the
hospital with other patients to do like
fun activities outside the hospital
Um,
which she does eventually achieve
Um,
she starts to spend some time with David
Crosby, the musician, if you don’t know
who that is, quite a prolific musician
Um, and his wife Jan Dance, who act
somewhat like sponsors to her
And I’ll
just explain what sponsors is if you
don’t know like sobriety lingo
It’s
like basically like people who have gone
through some kind of recovery and can
like guide you
It becomes like your
like personal guide
Um Drew did some role playing with her
counselor’s husband who had known Drew’s
dad, so he like acted out being her dad
It was very interesting
And it was to help Drew work through
some issues with him
That that was a it
was kind of a cool part in the book
where I don’t know
I always it always stuck with me
that that part
It’s neat
I mean I don’t know
I guess
also that somebody who knew Drew’s dad
like I feel like maybe she didn’t really
have a chance to like Except for her
mom
I don’t know
Yeah, but her mom never talked about her
dad
There’s a whole part where she’s
like I don’t know how you met
Like I’ve
never seen pictures of you guys
together
Well, yeah,
we gave her a picture of it together,
but that’s a whole other story
Yes, we did
There’s a lot of Again,
there’s some lore to us, guys
Um, Drew was able to arrange a phone
call with her dad and she came to this
conclusion that she truly needed to let
go of him
Like, she decides she could
love him, but she didn’t need him in her
life
Um, and she like realizes he can’t
really be a dad to her in any kind of
traditional way
So, it’s like
and really makes peace with it
And it’s
like we both went whoa
Like she carried
this for the rest of his life
like at
13 she was able to come to terms with
that and like
that was okay from that
And I also I love knowing that she found
a way somewhat unique and untraditional
way to keep him in her life later like
she kind of helped support him like
which maybe is like weird but like
she accepted him for who he was
So, 13-year-old Drew
gets her discharge date in December
1988, and shortly after that is when the
National Enquirer breaks the story
It’s
like, God, she was so close
Um, and
despite all the media frenzy that comes
out of that, she stays focused on
finishing out her treatment
And funnily enough, once she’s released,
she films this teen rehab TV special
called 15 and Getting Straight
It’s
like a after school special at the exact
same hospital where she had just been
released
Y
that’s just like a funny little
coincidence
Like
I know
I still I still want to know
more about that
How that was arranged if they’re
just like you’re you know like we
already know some people who’ve come out
of here
You’ll be very comfortable
here
Um so Drew decides to tell her story in
her own words to People magazine as we
mentioned above
Um she continues to have ups and downs
but she’s like committed and hopeful
about her recovery
The book is going to
end here
She’s alive
She’s doing
great
And then hard cut
Hard cut
So, this it’s it’s very
I think it’s really cool that not cool
that it happened, but that they were
able to do this cuz I feel like that
probably added an element for people
reading it of like realness
And like, okay, wow
Like if
you’re an addict and then you read the
story, but it all ends up fine and she’s
recovered and great, right
That’s
probably a different feeling than boy,
she thought she was good, but she
relapsed
Like, yeah, I can relate to
that
I don’t know if it’s like I don’t know
where I’m getting this exact phrase, but
what I’ve heard, I guess, is like
recovery is not linear
Oh, I love that
So, like, yeah,
it shows that it’s not linear
Um, so
unfortunately what we’re getting to is
Drew relapses um by smoking a joint with
her friends at her both her six month
and eight months of quote unquote
sobriety
So she continued this lie um
and was celebrating these eight months
and then smoking pot celebrating the six
months smoking pot
But she keeps it a
secret from everyone which makes her
feel really guilty and she’s holding on
to this for a while
Um, she starts
dating a 22year-old actor, quote
unquote, Peter, who eventually begins
spending some time and forming forming a
relationship with her mom instead
And
we we know that this is kind of a
thing that Drew has alluded to that her
mom might have dated people that she
dated because she wanted to like be her
a little bit
Is that what she said
Again, we have the exact uh audio
if you want to go listen to her talk
about that on Patreon
We’re just gonna
keep telling you guys, we don’t have
time to get into everything here
You gotta go pay your dollar and get the
deets
And we still have a little bit of
more of this to go and then there’s a
really wonderful surprise at the end of
this episode
If you read the title, you
know, but we have something juicy
Um
okay, so there’s lots of juicy stuff in
the book, but there’s more juicy here,
too
So, um she um starts acting out
because her mom is
dating her exboyfriend
I guess they they are all kind of like
dancing around him dating too
They keep
saying like hanging out explicitly said,
but it’s very
you can read between the lines,
right
So, Drew moves out of her mom’s
place to live with her friend Edy, quote
unquote
Do we do we say who that is
here or is that a name
Okay,
so we know who this Edie is
Um, they go
into their own apartment and she works
odd jobs to support herself
And it says
she’s a doorman at clubs, which we found
to be like so wild, but also like
what I’m I’m what I said was like,
okay, not only do I want to see Drew
Barrymore roller skating in Manhattan, I
also want to see little Drew Barrymore
as a doorman at a club
checking IDs
Like, what happening
Aren’t you Drew Barrymore
Aren’t you 14
So, um, Jer ends up smoking pot
again and falls into a deep depression
over everything that’s going on
She’s
hiding her relapse and seeing her mom
and Peter together
Like, she’s just not
in a good place
And we are
basically to the end of the book
gets worse before it gets better
Again, content warnings here
Um,
so Drew gets like out of control,
hysterical
She’s in this deep
depression in front of her friend Edie
She attempts to slash her arm with a
kitchen knife as a cry for help
She
calls it some she felt it was this giant
exclamation point
So like, “Please, I’m
in pain
” Um, she’s taken to a hospital
and when she’s there, she calls her mom
and admits to her that she had gotten
high and then she’s immediately taken
back to ASAP
And she says, we loved
this quote, she says, “We need to do
something about my mother
” So Jade is
sent to her own treatment program in
Arizona to deal with her codependency
and to try to learn how to be a parent
The book ends 13 days before Drew is
about to be released for the last time
It is the last time um with a sense of
hope about her relationship with her mom
and her sobriety, but she admits that
she can’t know for sure what the future
will bring
She just needs to quote do
the best she can
And it’s kind of awesome because it
really did have a happy ending
Like at
that point, like as far as we know,
there were no
nothing this dramatically of a struggle
again until she got divorced from Will
that we know of that we know of,
right
Um but yeah, we’ve reached the
end of the book
It has this kind of
hopeful feeling but also realistic
this
like do the best she can is also like
all you do is all you can do is the best
you can
Um
so let’s get into the release of the
book which like we said was 35 and a
half years ago a little bit more than
that
Um Drew um said about the release she
said all these different publishing
companies called
It was buzzing
They
were going she’s got recovery, she’s got
time, she’s got a great story
Please
let us write her book
And she said,
“The reason I chose Simon and Schustster
as my publisher was that they were more
interested in what I had to say than
what they wanted me to say
” Which is so
strange
Love that
And she said, “Of course, since
I’m not an author, I had to have a
coowwriter and they were very flexible
about who I would use
” She said this in
1992, so it’s kind of weird that that’s
only like two years after the release
I know, but it feels like a whole
different era of Drew,
right
Um, so it’s kind of cool that she
had a say in these things and that’s
something we’ve learned in a couple
different ways that like
Interesting
You’re right
Um,
so the book was published on February
1st, 1990
Again, happy anniversary
35
years
and it was published by the Pocketbooks
division of Simon and Schustster
On March 4th of 1990, it reached number
14 on the New York Times non-fiction
bestsellers list, which is really cool
That is cool
Um, all right
We’ve got
another quote from 1992
It says, “Drew
said, “When it came out, I was very
nervous
For the first two days, I
stayed in my house
Then a couple of
weeks later, my publisher called and
said, I just wanted to congratulate you
on being a best-selling author
I don’t
give a damn that I’m a best-selling
author
” The point was that I
reached tons of people
People would
come up to me and say, “I just read your
book
I’ve been honest to my parents
I
finally told them how I felt about
them
” And she said, “That’s all that
mattered
” So, yeah,
that’s awesome
Um,
that’s so cool
Yeah, a lot of the response from the
readers were teenagers who were going
through similar issues and really found
that the book was helpful
I would love to know like how many how
many teenagers are we talking about
Hundreds, thousands, like how many
people were affected that way by the
book,
right
Um, okay
We can’t know that
So, the
paperback was released in 1991
We have
both
They’re both different covers
And the book has become
somewhat of a cult classic
Like it’s
not just because it was helpful to
people, but it’s also like it’s a cool
it’s a great Hollywood memoir
Um it’s
been out of print for years and
secondhand copies rarely sell for less
than $50 these days
I feel like I see
it average more like 75, which is wild
Um you can borrow it online
digitally from archive
org just so you
guys know
And now that um we don’t need
to get into it all the time, I will let
you guys know
You can go in and take it
instead cuz only one person can read it
at a time
There were a couple times
where I went to go in and it was like
someone else is borrowing it and I’m
like, “Oh my god
“
Yeah, cuz it’s like for like an hour or
something
Is it for like It’s like
Yeah
That’s It’s so cool
It’s cool that they have it, but it’s
also kind of like wild that Yeah
You
have to like fight for it like a regular
library
They only have a certain number
of like digital copy
I don’t think you can get it at
libraries for the most part
like,
oh wow,
it’s really, you know, it’s become a
rarity, which is kind of interesting
Um, so let’s talk about like just our
final thoughts on the book
We didn’t talk about our like experience
um first time around
We talk about that
on Patreon if you guys want to know our
like origin stories with Little Girl
Loss
But
I came away like, okay, like I just said
before, it’s a really awesome celebrity
memoir
There’s incredible behind
the-scenes info from Hollywood
There’s
named dropping
There’s wild stories
Like anything about a child star is kind
of got its own level of fascination
built in
Um it’s also a very
frustrating read for me at times
I was
just like
over and over again
as a mom
I think for you
as a mom especially just so frustrated
with how many adults fail her
Um, but it’s also like I I already
said again, so inspiring to see how she
went from this to who she is now
Like
you will read this book and it is so
hard to reconcile that this is our girl
Drew
Like this her her thought process,
her
angst, like her way of looking at life
have changed so much because of what she
went through
I mean,
let’s just take the window thing as an
example
You know, the whole internet
made fun of her because there’s this
video where she’s doing like renovation
in her house and she discovers there was
a hidden window behind a wall and she
starts crying and it’s because she was
locked up at 13 years old and like
couldn’t go outside in the world
So, a
window is like, you know, just things
like that
It’s very much like
where she comes from
And um I guess I
just wanted to say about that particular
thing like she like has said it’s what
made her appreciate like the sky
She says I think it’s on
um
not that she couldn’t go outside but she
just into like the real world for a
while
She says like um she would see a traffic
light and be like do people realize how
beautiful that is
Like
Yeah
Um, but yeah, reading this as a
teenager when I first got into Drew
was just like, woo, this is wild
This
is crazy
Reading it as an adult,
totally different perspectives, totally
different empathy, totally different
just like, oh, I just want to I wish I
could have taken care of this girl, you
know
It’s it’s really, if you haven’t
read it since you were a teenager, I
highly recommend just for like such a
different
point of view and a really different
experience
And we were also digging so
deep into everything
So,
right
I guess like my final thoughts
have to do I mean all those things you
said like Yes
But also like about like
having read it as a teen versus reading
it now like the perspective of being an
adult, the perspective of Drew like
knowing what she grew up to become
And
you were saying something about like
almost not being able to recognize the
Drew we know now in some of this
But I
also feel like because we are using it
as sort of like putting together her
like timeline of like who she is like
we’re almost like studying her through
it which is like such a strange thing
but we call ourselves historians
We we
genuinely are like studying which is
interesting
I mean as historians were so lucky to
have this as a resource like this is
incredible
It’s such a like
unbelievably intimate look into her
young life
It’s interesting to be on
the other side of like being a teen
where now I’m like looking at it from
not only like a scholarly perspective
almost but like also just yeah having
maturity looking down on it like I don’t
know I literally was probably like close
to the age I think I was like 14 the
first time I read this book so maybe 15
So like I would have recognized the
angst, you know, like like you like you
almost but recognized it in yourself
almost
I feel like we’ve said a lot
We’ve said
a lot about the book
There’s like more than 20 hours of us
talking about the book on Patreon
probably
I haven’t even done the math
Can you believe in here we’ve
barely scratched the surface
like we we
hit everything, but like it’s just it’s
a there’s a lot that goes on
So, there’s more
There is more
There’s a lot more
[Music]
So, the book is Little Girl Lost by Drew
Barrymore with Todd Gold
And guys, we
have Todd Gold on the show
This man who told us he doesn’t do
interviews, told us he doesn’t do this
stuff, agreed to
There was a little bit
of like time where we’ve been
communicating with this man and breaking
him down so that we could get this
When you put it like that, it sounds
awful
But no, he he came to us very
willingly at the end of it and very like
um he kind of said that he was honored
So that’s why
which was weird for us
You’ll hear all that,
right
You’ll hear it
But like we the
fact that we spent the time doing this
was
somehow we came to it with this mutual
respect which was like really kind of
cool
Guys, this was so cool for us to
do
So, I hope that you enjoy it
[Music]
Okay, so today we have joining us Todd
Gold, who is a prolific journalist and
editor and has collaborated on dozens of
highprofile memoirs
He is the co-author
of Drew Barrymore’s 1990 autobiography,
Little Girl Lost
And we are so excited
to have him here
Thank you, Todd
Thank you, Todd
Thank you for being
here
This is so cool
I I feel like we
should mention to you that we were
somewhat familiar with you as a person
because um of your interviews that you
did way back in the ‘9s on Drew’s e
celebrity profile and I want to say A&E
biography as well
Do you recall that
I I don’t recall anything
So this is
going to be a tough interview
We’re going to take you down memory lane
a little bit of like our memory of you
and you having no knowledge of us
Yeah,
it’s great
This is going to be fun
Yeah, I think so, too
Um, so we wanted
to get a little bit into like our
history with the book, like when we
first remember reading it and just how
we’re reacting as adults
Yeah, we both
got our copies here
Hold our copies
But I read this copy that I’m holding
for the first time
I think I was 14 or
15 years old
So, I would have been like
right around the age Drew was when she
wrote it
I don’t have a lot of memories
about it except I was already a huge fan
of her
So, it was really incredible to
get into these details about her life at
a time when I was kind of experiencing
teenage drama, you know, my own
Um, but
since we’ve been going back to it, the
perspective as an adult has been
insanely
like
eyearing,
but jarring and eye opening
But Ashley,
go ahead and say what you
similar
I mean, my funny story, Todd,
about this book is that my older cousin,
she used to give me her hand-me-down
books
She was a big reader just like
me
And as a 10-year-old or whatever I
was when I got the book, I remember
being like, “Ooh, like drugs
Like, I
can’t read this
This is scandalous
“
And so, I I put it away and I didn’t
read it for years until I came to know
who Drew was and be interested in her
life
And then I used to read it like
seasonally like I would make this like
okay every Christmas time and every
summer I would reread it
I don’t know
what that was about
I was a weird
teenager
But so I’ve read it dozens of
times
And this most recent read through
that Ann and I have done as an adult, as
a mom, it’s very
shocking
It really is
Like I think as
a teen we’re just like whoa Drew was a
badass and now it’s like wow this life
is unbelievable
Well, I’d be curious to
know two things from what both of you
said, you know, and and Ann, I guess
especially you
Um, what first attracted
you to the
book and and and and why’d you read it
And then both of you mentioned that
you’ve you’ve read it and reread it as
adults and it’s really eyeopening
What
about it is eye opening and what about
it is is so sticky
So, it’s interesting
because it came from this point of view
as a fan of Drew at this time when she
was like America’s sweetheart girl next
door, you know, she and this is like,
you know, 1998, 1999
So, her her image
was so different than what she was, you
know, in this book
So, I think um I
came to it literally as as as someone
who was interested in Drew’s background
So it was like I consciously went to go
and read this book, you know, I was like
this is part of the lore of this person
that I love
I like what you said about what do we
find sticky about it now
And my my
I think eye opening too
Sorry, but
sticky
What what about it, you know,
allows it to thrive and and continue to
interest you
But also what is eye
opening or what opens your eyes as you
reread it
I would say um one of the
things would be how do you reconcile
this person with who she has become
today
That is so fascinating and
amazing and inspiring to see her go from
like these lowest lows to being who she
is now and in the book almost feeling
like she didn’t know if she had any
future and now it’s like oh my gosh
everything that came afterward is so
incredible
Um that would be one thing
The other thing I have a hard time with
is how many adults fail her in her young
life
And it just felt like no one was
looking out for her
And it that’s
jumped out to me as an adult much more
than I ever noticed as a teenager
reading it
And I’ll just say about the
eyeopening thing
I think similarly to
what Ashley was saying, sometimes it
gives some perspective on why Drew is
the way she is as far as like her
self-esteem,
you know, like why she is so giving and
kind like comes from this place of like
what she went through
And I so so I
think when we are able to like trace
back those steps,
her the way that she is like makes more
and more sense
And we like kind of
putting these puzzle pieces together of
like her because we’re we’re now
literally considering ourselves
historians
All this time we’ve been
fans and you know we were so young and
now we’re like interested as
full-g grown adults like you know we
have we are older than some of these
adults who were failing her in this book
you know like it’s
it’s fascinating
So that’s the been eye
openening for me is learning more about
this person that I feel like I know a
lot about and then remembering how much
more there is
I don’t know
connecting those dots
I’m I’m always surprised when it
surfaces in the news
Uh I think there
was a piece a year or two ago in the New
York Times
I just reread that
Somebody wrote about that
I saw on
Drew’s show that uh Pink pulled out her
hard coverver and talked about doing a
book report in seventh grade on the
book
That’s right
And it just it kind of surfaces in all
these different ways
And it was it’s
now I I think probably 30 years old
35
years old
This is the year of 35
So 35 years
And I I think about
the um the changes in in culture and
celebrity culture
and and how what Drew represents there
both you know and how celebrity cultures
changed but how uh so much of the human
heart remains the same
what interests us and um you know I
I think those are some of the reasons
that it keeps surfacing but I I you know
I’m amazed because I look at it I I
don’t remember that much about it
I remember certain things very keenly
but I look at it as you know the first
big project I did and
I’d love chances to redo it and make it
better
We totally get that
Yeah, absolutely
But it is what it is
and it’s seems to be uh holding up or
whatever
I mean, I don’t know if you’re aware
that it’s out of print, but you can’t
buy a secondhand copy for less than $50
I mean, it usually goes for 75 anywhere
you see it for sale
It’s very coveted
still
It’s interesting
It’s so interesting because I remember
seeing the paperback on the shelf at
Barnes & Noble
And being able to grab it for, you know,
six bucks or something like I remember
that
So, I know that I bought I have
like this old copy and then I I think I
bought one because I was like, “Oh, I
want a fresh one
” Like, literally, you
can’t find it
Isn’t that funny
Well, I I remember when it came out and
the excitement,
of course,
and you know, because it was my first
the first book I had worked on
We didn’t know that
It was very exciting
And it was also
very nerve-wracking because uh you know
we were nervous about the reception and
and uh you know whether people would be
interested or highly critical
Drew would react
Our family would react
But all that
aside, you know, I I told you when um
I’m going to jump around a little bit,
but when you first contacted me ages ago
and and I told you I don’t do interviews
and don’t ever talk about books and and
um at some point I began reconsidering
be just to try and honor the effort and
the work that you two have have put into
uh celebrating and and talking about the
book
And I and and the reason I’m
talking to you now is because I I I
think you um you know I’m the privileged
one
You know more about it than I do
certainly
But I mentioned uh at some
point in our back and forth that I had a
box of
from from you know working on this book
I had a box of papers that I hadn’t
looked at
probably since 1989
The book I think
came out in early in February of of
1990, but
uh
we wrote it in ’89 and it took about
six, seven months for it to be published
to go through the editorial process
And
so I pulled that box out today uh to
give you something different that I know
that you don’t have
Oh my gosh
You know, in your in your archives
the archivists and neess are like,
“Oh my gosh,
some of this stuff you do have
” Um, but
but I thought I’d pull it out and and
one of the things and we’re talking
about the um
the the way culture has evolved and
technology and the way we communicate
with each other
But I I found there’s
this notebook and so this is the
original dot matrix printout
hard working copy that I would
write and then give to Drew
This is like your manuscript basically
It
It’s one of them
I’ll show you a few
But what I laughed at uh as I’m as I’m
looking at this is the first uh 60 some
odd pages
Uh I wrote the page
number down
I I forgot to uh I forgot
to put in a page number so I had to
handw write all the pages
Oh,
this this has our notes and um
and discussion, you know, notes from our
discussions as as we were going over the
manuscript
at some point
I don’t know
when
So, that was kind of fun to find
Um
and uh then I’m sure you have this I
found this uh original People magazine
story
Which I’m sure you have
kicked it all
off, right
I kicked it off and then um around that
same time there was a National Enquire
story
That’s true
We were just speaking about this
You start the final chapter of the book
with the headline
Well, yes
I love that you have this in your like
box of stuff because that’s so awesome
So, here’s the original story, ET Star
and Cocaine
and and it just it’s really
uh something to to think back that you
know one of the reasons that that
I I wrote a story on Drew in the first
place if I’m remembering correctly
and uh was to ward off the tabloids
to give her a chance to tell her story
on her terms uh rather than
the ambush you know jump out of the
bushes style of the tabloids
So, you
know, I I don’t think that would happen
today
I was thinking the same thing
I would
love to think that we’ve come to a place
where they’re not going to do that to a
13-year-old girl
Like, that is not
going to happen anymore because it’s
just, you know, it’s horrible that it
happened without her,
you know, consent
But then I love that
she turned it around and said, “Okay,
let me tell the story
” But also,
yeah, as I remember, she had very smart
people around her um who were trying to
control it
I really don’t know much
about what the decision making behind
that other than they wanted to control
the story
Allow her to tell it on her terms
Drew has made it sound like she was
intent on doing that, like that she made
that decision
And that her people were kind of
like, “Oh boy, what are you going to
want to do
” And she said, “I want to
tell the story myself
” and they said,
“Yeah, we thought you were going to say
that
“
Well, yes
And and I remember meeting
Drew before we did the story
What do you remember about that
So, just going to meet her and have a
and talking to her where she was
deciding whether she felt comfortable uh
talking to me
I guess she did because
we ended up talking and um but she for
somebody who was so young,
what she was like 15 or 16 uh at the
time, she uh she was very much the boss
in control, you know, and making a lot
of her own decisions
That was something
that
uh impressed me about her and that I
remember is is and she said very much
the same thing herself that she she
was kind of an old soul wrapped in a
kid’s body and that that was a big
you know that that was something I I
took away
uh from that first meeting and
subsequent conversations with her was
that she Um,
she had a lot of wisdom packed inside
her
She had a tremendous heart
There
was for for all the pain and and hurt
she’d endured and the loneliness she’d
felt, she had the potential for great
giving and great amounts of love and a
lot of smarts
And I I I never had any
doubt that she was going to um someday
make up for what she lacked
It didn’t guarantee an easy road
And
and I doubt she said would say that
she’s had an easy road,
but I think she’s more than made up for
what she lacked
That’s awesome
I love I love knowing
that even in this time because, you
know, she is really It’s dark at times
It’s very she’s very depressed at times
in this book
But I love knowing that
that core of who she is and who we know
her to be was there even then cuz it it
is really hard to be like, “Wow, this is
the Drew that we know
You know, she’s
she’s having such a hard time here
She
feels so bad about herself
” But I love
knowing what you said about her her
heart was there
Her wisdom was there
Like she was still who she is,
which is amazing and just really lovely
to hear
I mean, I haven’t seen her in person for
decades now
Um, I do see her
occasionally on television
But, but I have no doubt, you know, I
can tell that she uh, you know, she grew
up and into the person that she
wanted to be, that she knew was
available to her if she worked hard
And
I think she’s like like many of us, she
she, you know, got there by trial and
error and and fearlessness
to um to continue to move forward and
learn from her mistakes
Oh, absolutely
And I mean, she always talks about
making those mistakes in front of
people,
which is what’s so unique about her is
that she’s been famous for almost her
entire life
And you know, so like this
was just one thing that she did in
public, you know, so there’s like all
this interesting stumbling and and
humbling and you know, and she’s she
really Yeah
It’s it’s amazing her
resilience
We’re always talking about
her resilience
And the thing that uh my wife
reminded me of and and I didn’t really
need reminding of, but it’s worth
mentioning is she was always
wickedly funny
You know, I I caught her when she
was a teenager and in her early 20s, and
she always had a great sense of humor
Uh she wasn’t just self-deprecating, and
she was very funny when she’d make fun
of herself, but she had a great eye for
observation and spotting the funny
around us or around her and uh and
sharing that
So I, you know, that sense
of humor, I’m sure, got her through a
lot
Oh, yeah
I think that’s what she says
all the time, like we always need a
little bit of humor with the darkness
Absolutely
Todd, do you want to kind of explain to
us sort of what your process was with
her
you know, you showed that notebook
So, you would write and sit down with
her or how much of you know, cuz we have
in the book what is very clearly Todd’s
voice and then we have what is Drew’s
voice, but how much were you involved in
the Drew’s voice segments
Uh, they came out of our conversations
or, you know, conversations
just asking her to run through the
chronology and the details of what
happened to her, what she’d gone
through
So some of that was um
very you know almost literal translation
from the from the conversations others
was you know a minor massage of what she
what was in the transcript but
she I mean she ultimately had 100%
you know say over the book uh you know
the process was that we we’d do
interviews most of the interviews I I
think She’d remember this, too
We we uh
we used to go out uh to a restaurant, a
hamburger place, and sit and and have a
big basket of French fries and talk for
a few hours
Do you remember where
Yes, I I do
It was a a chain, I don’t
know if it exists anymore, called the
Islands
Oh, yeah
And so we’d go and order a big basket of
fries and some diet cokes and uh and
talk for a few hours
Usually after school
So you’d be there with your tape tape
recorder just on the table
I would some somewhere those tapes
exist
I mean that would be some a dream for us
to somehow have any
I’ll call you up when I when I find
them
If I ever do, I’ll call you up
Yeah, we would love like even just the
tiniest like peak of that
That’s
incredible
Like I mean if you had to
guess how many hours of recording like
if you had to guess could could you have
any clue
Yeah, probably 20
20 hours of of tape
Um and I probably
have some tapes of whatever old magazine
interviews were done with her
Um
because you recorded all of that
I
guess that’s part of the job, right
And I and I saved them for some
reason
I have stuff here that might be
interesting to share that I was going
through related to that
So, I I
found some transcript
from one of our interviews
Oh, cool
Did you have to transcribe it yourself
Did you like have somebody that could
transcribe it for you
That’s a lot of
work
I transcribed it myself at the time
Uh I couldn’t afford to have
somebody transcribe it
I I will admit
and um
and you know for safety’s sake it was
it’s so sens the material is so sens as
it is anytime you’re dealing with
somebody’s life and their secrets
Absolutely
Which is there’s almost I almost going
through this material there’s almost a
sense of betrayal uh even though I know
that some of this is in the book
and and I was just reading I was looking
for something funny um to actually share
because
we love something funny was very funny
and um but here I I’m you know I just
you saw me I’m randomly flipping through
this and um
and
I I I said what was the situation the
last time you saw your dad
Do you
remember that
And she says vividly very well
We were
at our friend’s house in LA
And then
for some reason I interrupt her and I
say, “Aren’t these fries great
“
And she says, “Oh, they’re the best
They’re so good
” And then she starts
talking about her dad
So
yeah, we love that kind of We are all
into those little details
We love
hearing stuff like that
I I had no idea what was in this box
Um
I love that it was like a time capsule
until about an hour ago
And um
so there’s this envelope here, Drew B,
it says on it
And
and I remember it
I remember her giving
this to me when we were working uh on
it
And this is full of uh letters that
I guess uh her
the people who were in rehab, the kids
who were in rehab
gave her sent to her
and I haven’t looked at them probably
since she went through them and read
them and gave them to me
We were
probably looking for something to put in
the book, but I’m not going to open them
and read them
Yeah, that’s very private, which
we’d all like to do because they belong
to her and if she ever wanted them
I
have no idea what they say,
but it’s kind of interesting to see
them
That’s really interesting
Will want this someday
Oh my gosh,
that’s incredible
Here is the uh first galley
Um and it has This is how you got it
back in the day
Now it’s all books are
all electronic, but this was sent
You
can see it’s oversized
And this this particular galley, it’s
really interesting
Again, I haven’t
looked at this for 35 36 years
Um, so the process is interesting to me,
but knowing what we know about the book
now in retrospect
So there’s this
galley, it’s nicely printed, and then
you come to uh a certain part
And
there’s
an addition
that is pasted in that is uh just
typewritten
It was obviously uh the
extra chapters or addendum that was
added to because it was like basically
done
It was finished and then
relapse
So, um
that’s neat that it’s bound that way
really cool
That is really neat
Um I mean there’s no secrets
there, you know, it’s all in the book
Interesting to look at the process and
it’s totally
to think about,
you know, uh how many people
were uh helping her at the time
I I think I I I remember a few, you
know, a lot of adults around her
Her
her I I don’t remember where her mother
was, but when she did relapse, you know,
there was her
counselor Lori, there was Betty, there
was David Crosby and his wife Jan, there
were there was the editor Jane, there
were her publicist, her manager, all
these people around her
Uh I I think helping her
I was not
around her um when all that happened
They brought me in later as I recall to
chat with her once once it was
determined that she wanted to continue
to go through with the book and and add
the extra material
Rather than scrap the effort
I can’t believe that was a
consideration
But yes, but once again
and and I remember being um reunited
with her to do the work, that last bit
of work
And um can’t remember where we
met, but I do remember her being very
tentative and nervous
that she had done something wrong or
disappointed me
Uh,
and
we very quickly got past that and uh,
you know, told the story and ate our
French fries and had some laughs and and
I remember um,
you know, feeling very good about her
Uh, I somewhere I saw a note but that I
made to myself that I had the sense that
um, she was going to be okay
My note
said, “I I I think Drew is going to be
okay and survive this and grow up and
grow into herself
” Something like that
I wrote
Uh so I feel I feel good that I was
right
Thank goodness
That’s amazing
You actually told a
probably around the same time story that
has I mean I just it stuck with me as a
teenager when it was on the e celebrity
profile where uh you were out to at a
restaurant with her and that she showed
you on her wrist where she had like cut
herself and she said but I’m okay now
and you said that was like a very Drew
way you knew that she was going to be
okay
So it’s like probably exactly what
the notes you were just reading
Good for me
Little bit of memory still left
The the thing, you know, as again
I I said earlier, the thing I remember
most about Drew is is such a big heart
Um, such a great sense of humor, a ton
of inner strength and determination
to um,
you know, to find herself
I I think
there were, you know, I I at the time
had one child
I was married
I’m still
married
Uh I have three children
I
think I had one at the time we wrote
that book and another on the way
And um
and I remember always thinking about how
different our lives were
Uh she came to
our house a few times
and um
I I watched her play with my daughter
who was then about three years old
Um,
and
I saw just the tremendous capacity for
affection that that Drew had
And it
just um
it balanced, you know, it it it was in
counterpoint to the the darkness I I she
articulated and I often sensed being
with her the loneliness, the darkness,
the struggle she had at home
Um, and and it was always I I hadn’t
been exposed to that in such depth until
I I’d been with her
I’d been exposed
to, you know, pretty horrible things as
a journalist
But, um,
right,
nothing like that
And and I always
wondered, you know, as as I watched her
from afar grow up, uh, you know, if if
the difficulty she must have had to
overcome as a young adult and then as an
adult around holidays and, you know,
those family times
and and I thought it was really
interesting
but not surprising how she did overcome
it
She built her own family
She built
her own company
She ended up, you know,
uh, test driving a few husbands and
y
had some children and, uh, and I’m sure
she’s a fantastic mom who, uh, you know,
I I know nothing about her, but I as as
a mother, but I I would imagine she, you
know, is very attuned
into uh,
being a mom and and what kids need
I’d love to know how strict she is
Well, it’s funny that you say that
We
were just talking about how in the book,
and we want to talk to you about Jade,
but in the book, she talks about Jade
and they’re not, it’s not a
motheraughter
They’re friends, you
know, they’re going to be best friends
And Drew has very, very clearly said
that with her daughters, she says, “I’m
not your friend
I’m your mom
” So, it’s
very easy to look and say, “This is
where that came from
” and that’s why
she’s not going to be that way
She constantly talks about her like
utter lack of boundaries when she was a
child and how she’s like learned even
what boundaries are
She’s like had to
learn what that meant to set a boundary
Like she just didn’t her mom set none
seemingly
Um
Right
I I can’t speak to what
their life was like, you know,
when I wasn’t around or if we didn’t
talk about it, but, you know, I I think
you probably,
you know, know more than I do
We’ve we’ve gotten into it a lot
Um,
actually, one specific thing that
relates to the book and Jade is we
notice that Jade is quoted a lot
throughout
Um, but did she have much
say in what was included in the book
otherwise
I don’t recall specifically
I’m going to say that she did as Drew’s,
you know, mom and the adults in, right,
in her relationship
I’m sure she read
the book
I I’d say 100% she read the
book and had to give her approval
Yeah,
makes sense
So,
she was never around um
for the recording
Well, she wasn’t
around for the interviews and she wasn’t
around dictating what should be written
That was really, you know, uh, based on
the conversations I had with Drew and as
I recall, Drew was the
one who had the final say
I’m sure had
input
and and I’m sure there was a manager who
read it and
or
you know I don’t know what what other
what others read and and what say others
had in the matter but I’m sure that
there was
yeah there’s some times in the book
where you’re like wow I can’t believe
they like let that be said about Jade
and then there’s other times where
you’re like oh it feels like Jade is
like sort of putting her slant on things
in this part
So yeah, we’re just
interested like how much input did she
actually have
And I’m assuming you sat
down with her once or twice and got her
little nuggets of information
I I I’m sure I did
I don’t I I do
remember Jade being around and I do
remember it being mostly pleasant, you
know, never on it could be, but there
was a lot of
stress, you know, between Drew and Jade
and times
and uh you know, that could be typical
motheraughter stuff, you know, Drew not
doing her homework cuz
you know, she’d done something or it
could be something more serious,
right
It ran the gamut
Yeah, I bet
Um, we were also curious about, you
know, if you recall like things that
were maybe omitted from the story, some
of them seemingly maybe small, like you
know, some TV movies she did that are
just skipped completely or, you know, we
both recently realized, oh, that whole
thing with Corey Felman like never even
get to mention her little relationship
with him
Um, but we were wondering, are
there reasons for these things or how
does that happen
No, there there’s no there’s not a
reason
Um,
it just wasn’t part of the narrative,
maybe
Or
Yeah, I I can’t answer that question
It’s it’s funny you mentioned that as as
you’re mentioning it
I do remember
Drew going out somewhere with Corey
Feldman
I remember being at the house
and um
there was a dozen or two dozen roses in
Drew’s
room that Corey had sent
Oh my goodness
And Drew was getting dressed to go out
Was it might have been some awards
thing
It might have been Academy Awards and
the timeline fits
They went together in
1989
So it could have been that
I I
don’t know what I would have been doing
there other than an interview with her
or running maybe it was running over um
some of the uh one of the drafts and
wow direction but I do remember her um
going out with Corey
It’s funny
but I don’t I can’t tell you why it’s
admitted or something else
You don’t feel like there were
things that like legal some legal
department said, “No, cut that out or we
can’t include this person’s name
” Or I
mean, I’m sure there’s all kinds of
weird nitty-gritty like that when you do
a book like this
You know, it’s interesting
I uh
that you bring that up
I think I came
across the legal read
Oh,
the I came across this these uh these
notes that I had, but they’re the
original chapter outlines
It says
chapter 1, chapter 2, chapter 3
Little
notes I made to myself
On uh how the book would be organized
I
I’m so much more fascinated by that than
uh
the process
The process and and that we
actually did this and and that it was
the first one that I did
That’s cool
We We didn’t realize it was the first
I
love that
I love knowing that
It makes
it like even more special
that that’s like, okay, it’s Drew
Barrymore with Todd Gold
Like that’s a big deal
There must have
been a big deal for you
Um, it was
And it was a big deal when
it made the best seller list
And
it’s it’s a big deal that um people like
it and and find meaning in it
When it
came out, it it received all sorts of um
mixed reviews
Of course,
many people finding it or criticizing as
as exploitative
of
a teenager
Typical Hollywood
exploitation
Where where are the adults
in the room
Shame on the editors and
everyone else
and I’m sure I re received my share of
criticism for that and I’ve blocked it
out
I
that’s good
Some of that has merit and I I don’t and
and you know some doesn’t
You know, it
depends
I I just think that over time
it’s found an audience
People really
appreciate it
It’s touched a lot of
people
I once checked into a hotel
maybe 10 or 15 years ago and and a guy
checking me in asked if I was the Todd
Gold who um had worked on this book and
he said how important it was uh for
various reasons when he was read it
And you know, I just and there’s
probably a lot of people out there who
who were touched by it and as as
evidenced by the two of you and um that
New York Times story, you know, continue
resonate in in some way
You know, I I
I was I’ve never sought Drew out to see
what she thinks about the book all these
years later
If she doesn’t like it, if
she’s embarrassed by it, if she wishes
she’d never done it
Um,
I don’t think so
No, I I don’t know how
much she’s really spoken very
specifically to it in more recent years,
but
she’s just kind of like
she doesn’t regret anything
You know,
this is part of her story
This I mean,
it’s a big part, but
and she calls herself an open book
still
So, I think
I think it’s right in line with who she
is that she did this
and also knowing how it did help so many
people
I think, you know, after the
fact, after it came out kind of more in
those years, she spoke about that a lot
Like, I’m so glad that, you know, I got
outed by the National Enquirer
That
sucked, but I got to turn it around and
then help people who were going through
similar things
Well, I think, yeah, I I think in that
respect, and I was going to say that it
it it reflects who Drew is, and you
know, or who she was going to become,
but who she was at the time, too
She
was very interested in helping other
people
um she
I I think had had many, you know, deep
connections with some of the other teams
in the program with her and and I
believe that’s probably because she was
as open then as she is now
Uh and and willing to share
And I think that taught her that
too
like she talks about how grueling,
you know, in the book how grueling those
sessions were in therapy and how that
has made her and actually I’ve been to
her live show and there’s something
about the way she runs that room when
the cameras aren’t on that almost feels
like a like a group like therapy group
circle
It’s Yeah, that she’s she’s made
that comparison like that’s was like the
training ground for the talk show
She
seems to have liberated herself from uh
many of the, you know, demons of her
past by being completely honest,
you know, letting those traumas fester
in secret
She she’s, you know, she’s is
as free she seems as free as as you’d
expect
That doesn’t mean she doesn’t
have her deep dark moments, but
right
she seems to be an example of somebody,
you know, who has
acknowledged and embraced the past in in
in a very therapeutic and positive way
I just came across this letters report
from uh People magazine that followed
the first story that that was in People
magazine and uh and I’m just reading it
again for the first time
This was dated
January 20th, 1989
So, it’s 36 years
ago
And it says, um,
“The young teens firsterson story of her
alcoholism and drug addiction prompted a
higher than average response from our
readership
Nearly 90% of respondents
applaud the young actress’s courageous
battle against those addictions and wish
her continued success with her recovery,
including 13 readers who are themselves
recovering from either drug or alcohol
misuse
In addition, it appears that Drew’s
revelations have affected a few of our
readers lives
An anonymous reader
writes, “After reading the story, my
14-year-old sister came forward to let
the family know that she too had a
problem with drinking
” Like many
others, I’m sure we always had the
attitude of it would never happen in our
family by sharing her story
Drew
allowed us to catch the problem before
it got completely out of hand
So,
that’s nice
It’s amazing
So, People magazine like
sent you that as sort of a here’s the
followup
Yes, that was the followup
after that initial story
That’s really cool
We were kind of
wondering in my research when we were
doing the chapters, I I came across that
you had done like a sort of similar
story for People magazine for David
Crosby
Was that how you got connected
to Drew
Because he like said, “I like
Todd
Work with him
“
It it may have been
I don’t I don’t
remember
That David Crosby story was
very memorable
David had uh just gotten
out of jail
and overcome was in the process of
overcoming a bad addiction
He um
I remember being in a in a this little
small rented house uh where he lived and
uh he played me a song on the piano uh
called Oh Yes, I Can
Oh yeah, I know that
Which is very beautiful
which became
the title song on his second solo album
Oh yes I Can
Very profound, powerful
moment
I like David a lot
It was a
strong and lasting connection between
us
We’d see each other
periodically over the years
Um
I’m sure that’s not a coincidence then
I’m as somebody who was like a good,
you know, influence in her life at that
time, I bet he put in your name
is like
put in a good word for you
Maybe if he did, I’m I’m grateful,
appreciative
Um,
yeah
But yeah, I remember David being a
presence in in Drew’s life
David and
his wife Jan
And it’s funny when you look back to
see, you know, the people who pop up in
your life, you know, as as helpers or
guides
And, you know, they aren’t
always there, but, you know, their
memory is or their influence remains
And uh you know, David’s certainly one
of those people
That’s really cool
That’s really cool
Do you want to share the story of uh the
really lovely thing that you did for
Drew recently
That probably all of our
listeners know it happened when she got
reunited with her childhood stuffed
animals, but they probably don’t know
that you are the reason for that
So, um that’s that’s a cute story
uh and I wish uh my daughter was here to
tell tell that story
So my oldest
daughter who I had mentioned earlier,
she was three years old uh when I was
working with Drew
And um and I have vivid memories,
as I said, of Drew coming over and
playing with her and uh I think we went
out to dinner a couple times and uh and
you know, it was interesting watching
Drew’s
But my daughter has vivid
memories of Drew
Being around
Anyway, so she somehow
heard, and you may know more about this
than I do, um, she heard that Drew said
she didn’t have really many artifacts
or, you know, things from her childhood
And, um,
and my daughter, that daughter now is, I
think she’s 37 or 38 years old
She’s a
therapist
Uh she works primarily with
women and girls who have experienced
trauma or eating disorders or very very
uh tough
tough young woman
Um
amazing
but she remember she heard about this
and she remembered that um she had a
couple stuffed animals that were Drews
um that were left uh from a large
collection that Drew gave me
So shortly
after that
Corey Feldman date
as a marker in time, I some I was at
Drew’s house
and she I think she was cleaning out her
bedroom, throwing things out
I I don’t
know why, but um
she offered me her stuffed animals to
take to my daughter
And uh she put them all in a big
green hefty garbage bag
There there
were probably, you know, a dozen and a
half animals
Were stuffed creatures
And um we had
two left all these many years later
Uh
I I don’t know what what else happened
My my daughter claims she gave some to
Tom Green at one point
Really gift to Drew
I don’t know
Oh,
I don’t know what the mechanics around
that are
So, she might have gotten some back at
some point
Fascinating
I I don’t know
But anyway, so Drew
didn’t have anything
My daughter found
it
We had a big pink bear and we had a
little ET doll uh that had been sitting
on the top of a closet in the bedroom
that used to belong to my daughter
And
they’d been up there for
25 at least 25 years
And so I I said to her, “Well, let’s
give Drew these um these dolls
Let’s
get them to her
” And so I I am friendly
with Valerie Burtonelli
Who is on a regular on Drew’s show
And I mentioned this to Valerie and she
said, “Oh, I’ll happily give these to
Drew
I’m sure she’ll love it
” And I I was
nervous that, you know, it was kind of
intrusive or that, you know, she
wouldn’t love it
Uh that she’d given
them away and they were gone
No, not true
But um anyway, so Valerie took the bear
and the ET doll and along with a brief
note from me saying,
“Oh,
hello
” and a longer note from my
daughter
Uh and gave them to Drew
And uh and I
remember seeing a little video of that
online
I I can’t recall exactly what
happened, but I think I think it was uh
it was a hit
And she could tell she was
really touched
And what’s interesting
is the video of her saying she doesn’t
have much from her childhood was related
to our birthday surprise for her where
we used our collection to represent 50
years of her life for her 50th birthday
for
they did that they did that interview
with her saying she didn’t have the
items from her childhood backstage
before she came out and saw everything
So it’s very full circle
That’s great
So the reason that happened was because
we did this
What you What were you
going to ask
I was gonna ask
what did you what artifacts did you
provide for her
Well, you know, she didn’t get to spend
a lot of time looking at it and much
like how you were like we’d love to give
these items back to her
That’s kind of
like we’re always an open door for that
If she ever said, “Hey, I want these
things
But, um, we have like
quite a few things, you know
I don’t
know if you recall when Jade sold a lot
of Drew’s belongings
and the
late 90s she she did a huge auction and
sold a bunch of items, you know, mixed
emotions about that, but I was able to
get my hands on just two little pieces
Um, one was like a ballet outfit,
leotard and tights from and ballet
slippers when she was three as Jade’s
writing in it, Drew
And then like a pen
from the the Just Say No campaign
And yeah, like just you know, things
we’ve collected here and there
Like I
have we have a chair back from the set
of Fire Starter and um like a letter and
a picture that Jaden Drew sent to a
publicist once
Just um you know, things
that she definitely doesn’t have
And we
kind of recently came to the thought
that like, wow, her daughters might want
these one day, you know, and we’re happy
to hand them over
We’re just out here
trying to preserve her legacy because
she’s never saved anything
And thank God that you were able to
reunite her with something so touching
I Yeah, I think I from what I recall of
the video, she really seemed to like it
and I hope, you know, I think her kids
will like it even more
Stuffed
those stuffed animals
They were uh you
know, I think one was a big pink dancing
bear and the other, as I said, was an ET
doll
And
you know, I’m sure I’m sure they went
over well, but it was fun
It was fun
giving it back
And we found the
photo evidence, you know, of her in
1987
There’s a picture of her in her
bedroom and all the stuffed animals
around and there’s that distinct bear
It’s like, “Oh my god
“
And Valerie seemed to enjoy seeing that
She responded to that and was like, “Oh
my gosh, yay
Two of the nicest people I I I
know
So
incredible
So, I guess the the last thing I think
I’ll ask, you’ve kind of talked about
watching Drew grow up, but I want to see
if you can summarize what it’s been like
for you to watch Drew evolve and grow
into this icon that she is
What is that
like for you like knowing where she was
when you wrote the book
Well, it’s it’s funny because I I I
think she was probably already an icon
She’s been an icon
several
incarnations
I mean, there’s
there’s Gertie and ET
That’s pretty
iconic
You know, and and and Kid and Fire
Starter
That’s pretty iconic
And and
you know, and and then when when I think
about who Drew is now or or presents
herself on TV and what everybody says,
I’m I’m just not surprised
I I think
that’s what you get
That’s where you
end up
If if you work on yourself and
you’re open and you decide
that your life’s work is going to be
about sharing
uh your gratitude and appreciation for
you know the this this miracle of life
with with people and you’re you approach
it with a fearlessness of uh
acknowledging your your ups and downs
and especially your downs
I mean,
yeah
And that’s what I think Drew
is so good at and what people react to
and why her show is is a success and and
why it seems like such a natural
progression from child actor to uh adult
actress to producer to talk show host
I
I feel like she uh
had something to say uh but was also
unlike so many people willing to listen
and really listen and react to what
people say
I I you know I I know I’ve
read that she’s been criticized for
sitting too close to people being too
too touchy feely but I I think that’s
part of the process when you are intent
on creating you know in front of TV
cameras in an audience a moment of of
intimacy and and trust
uh in getting somebody to have uh
uh genuine conversation
and to uh and to uh draw out real
admissions, not not stuff that you’re
going to hear on every talk show, but
stuff that, you know, actually uh allows
those watching and listening to have
their aha moments of recognition
And I
think because she’s such an open book,
she’s able to do that
She she gives
those moments of herself and it allows
people to feel comfortable enough to
share the same thing
So I’m not surprised
I mean that’s a
long way
But when you um you you know
people have two two options
you know,
you you remain damaged or you um or you
accept that, you know, all of life is is
full of light and dark and and and
change and and you embrace that and and
you see what what’s going to happen next
and you try to get better and better and
uh and and learn more and more
And I
think that’s really Drew’s gift right
now in this moment that she’s having is
is she’s decided to uh share all that
Yeah,
she’s finding value
I don’t think it’s
any surprise that she’s doing it too
with her kids growing up and and she
probably, you know, it it probably makes
for some good dinner conver table
conversation
I know what we’re like, has Olive picked
up little girl lost yet
and come in
like, “Tell me about this part, mom
“
She probably doesn’t have to, you know
Drew probably told her
She’s probably told her or she looks at
her and go, “That’s my mom
” And she’s
living her own life
I’m sure is encouraged
and and to have
her own, you know, uh, triumphs and
mistakes and and figure things out for
herself
The the advantage she’ll have is she’s
got a really insightful uh, strong mom
You know, something Drew probably didn’t
have
So, I’m not surprised
I I I think it’s
I think Drew’s, you know, where you’d
want her to be
uh and where more
importantly where she’d want to want to
be
Takes a lot of work, a lot of
courage and a lot of determination to
get to where she is
Uh and
you know, I I I feel a great deal of
affection even though I haven’t seen her
for
right
tremendously long time
I feel a great
deal of affection for her and and uh and
you know happiness for her
It’s it just
you know she she’s an inspiration uh you
know for real and
you know so that that that’s where I
take you know little girl lost in the
book was was an important stepping stone
in that path and uh you know uh so I I I
take a lot of pride in in the work we
did in the little placeholder that
occupies in her life
Damn girl, you are a writer
Yeah, that’s so perfectly said
That’s exactly how we we’re like this is
just one little part of her life, but
it’s so important to so many people and
it’s just it makes up who she is
Well, I think you too should be
commended for, you know, devoting so
much time to this book and really
investigating it
I I feel uh bad that I
I came upon you late in the game
and didn’t go through the first 30
chapters with
and
we’ll just have to go back and get our
lingering questions and see if you can
pull them out of your notes
Yeah, it’s
it’s it’s really such an honor to uh to
know that you’ve done this and and uh
taken the time to, you know, focus on
this this work and and expand on it in
in,
you know, the way tech I mean, when we
did this book, you know, computers were
new, desktops were new, the iPhone was
still 20 some odd years away from being
invented
The story would be really different
Yeah, the story would be really
different if there was any form of a
cell phone
or social media
Imagine social media in
that time
Her her story would have been
blown way before it was if there was
social media
So, it’s incredible
What I was going to say is is compliment
you on taking,
you know, this book that was done at a
certain point and really expanding the
story and being part of it
You know,
now this is part of that literature
It
it doesn’t just belong to me
It’s it’s
it’s by Ashley and Ann, too
We’ll take it
Is that like Can we write
it down here now
I I
That’s so kind of you to say
We’ll write the second edition
Little girl found
I I I I would love to know, you know, g
given the way we’ve just been talking
about Drew and what her trajectory was,
it would be fascinating to know what
happened to some of the others who were
in rehab with her
Did they
manage to come out as good
What were
their paths that they followed
Um,
absolutely
Again, Drew’s Drew’s path,
you know, there there weren’t a lot of
adults there to guide and shape her
She
had to build this her own structure, her
own family, and
you know, to get to where she is today
She’s really sort of a miracle when you
think about it
Well, she’s an inspiration
She’s
definitely an inspiration
and and you
know and part of that is just her
willingness to to share everything that
she’s been through and and drawn out in
others and and to show as I as I keep
saying you know life is full of ups and
downs it’s constantly changing we
experience the light and dark we slip up
we triumph and uh you know and we learn
mostly that we’re all pretty much the
same we’re all rowing in the same ocean
yeah we’re all human
We are all human
I think she would love that
Yeah, I think so, too
Um, okay, Todd,
this has been so great
Thank you so
much for taking this time to do this
with us
We so appreciate it
Um, I know
it’s a testament to Drew that it pulled
you out to do this with us in a way
Maybe it’s a testament to our
determination to get you to do this
But
I think that that’s evidence of your
affection for her is that maybe you
don’t do stuff like this, but I’m so
glad that you were willing to talk about
this and talk about her with us
And
it’s been lovely
Oh my gosh
Thank you very much
Certainly occupies
an important place in in my life, my
career, but more it’s it’s really a
thank you to both of you
That’s the
reason I did it
you know, for uh you
know, the the time and the effort and
the enthusiasm you bring to the book
And as I said, the way that you are
extending the story and keeping it alive
in in 2025, it’s it’s it’s fascinating
to me to see how a book that was written
in 1989,
published in 1990,
35 years later, is expanded upon, you
know, by by both of you
So, thank you
That’s really cool
Thank you so much
Like, what a way to close out this thing
we’ve been working on for a year and a
half
It’s just the ultimate
Thank you
so much
And if you ever need help with
that box, you know, you need an
archavist to take care of it for you
You know who to call
I know exactly who to call
It would be a dream for us to just see
it
I mean, absolutely
Thank you, Todd
We really appreciate
getting to meet you and chat with you
Thank you very much
Have a great one
[Music]
Okay
Still reeling from that
Still
pinching myself
Can’t believe it
happened
Thank you, Todd, for giving us
your time
I mean, it’s we kept laughing
because in Little Girl Lost, it says he
leads a distinctly unholy life
So,
we’re like, so cool that he opened his
treasure trove
Like,
we could go on and on
We are really
grateful to have had the opportunity to
be where we’re at that like that’s even
possible
Can you imagine as a 14 and
16year-old reading this book being like
one day we’ll get to ask him all these
questions about it and he he’ll show us
his his materials from working on it
Guys,
wild
What is life
Guys, we made a new friend in Todd Gold
Never would have known
Um, and I think it’d be really cool to
say here Drew’s acknowledgement to him
in the book
We’re just going to quote
it because it’s great
It’s um
she says, “Todd, thank you for giving me
a great ground to stand on and believing
in me
and
and he still does
He has such a fondness
I feel
like he says like affection like
we’ve read like a really lovely quote
that he like put up when when the whole
strike was going on
He
you guys heard it
there’s this
affection and he understands why he
seems to understand why we would be
interested in this wonderful person
Like he seems to get it
Again, thank
you so much Todd
Thanks for celebrating our girl with us
And congratulations little girl lost on
turning 35
Not that I had a choice, but
congratulations on you know what
Congratulations on having this relevance
that it was enough you know that’s why
he is
honored
grateful
because right cuz we’re like bringing up
maybe we’re digging up old work but also
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Hello there and welcome to How Do You
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And I’m Ashley
Doesn’t really work on audio, but I just
pretended to flash
It’s a greeting, you know
It’s a lovely
greeting
It’s a very sweet thing
Um,
all right
So yeah, we’re going to be
getting into the David Letterman
flashing from 1995
We’ve got some stuff
at the top before we get there, but this
is going to be a little bit of like a
fun little mini thing that we’re
jam-packing with all of this like
reference after reference to this
It’s
so fun
So, buckle up
Let’s do it
Okay, so um I guess we’ve got an oopsie
at the top
Yes, a little oopsy daisy
And I kind of
have to blame Drew, but also us
Okay,
so
we our last episode was about Little
Girl Lost, and we were talking about I
think it was in that episode
It could
have been one of the Patreon episodes,
you know, how Drew got emancipated from
her parents legally
And we were like,
“Yeah, it happened right after this book
came out
Cuz I knew it was right before her
birthday
But
we we kept like reiterating it like cuz
I was like, “Wait, when was it
“
And she always says she was 14 when it
happened
So, it was one of those
things, you know, just like just
happened to us and I’ll explain that
later where it sticks in me and I’m
like, I have to find out the truth
I
have to find out the truth
I have to
get the details
And I knew I had this
clipping from People magazine
So,
anyway, with a lot of research, I found
out it was actually February 1991,
right before she turned 16 is when she
was emancipated
So, that’s actually
quite a bit later
You know, like
there’s a big difference between 14 and
almost 16 in my mind
But I mean, I I guess also she
like says she got her own apartment at
14
Yeah
And that’s true
But I I totally imagine those things
coinciding because the way she tells the
story
She said she was emancipated at
14
But you know, we know our girl
and
and dates and ages
Um, but also I just
I recently on her show she said
something like I’m a Pisces and there
was like talking about how bad she was
with numbers and I never
she was trying to say The Wedding Singer
was filmed in 96 and came out in 97 so
it’s almost 30 years old and I’m like no
and so of course I had to comment and a
lot of people liked my comments cuz they
were probably like that doesn’t seem
right
Like
what did you what did you say
I wrote
actually it was filmed in 97 came out in
98
We got you Drew
We got you, Drew
We got timeline
We We
literally study you
That’s our job
Our unpaid job
Um
I have one other little followup little
Deja Drew
This is a really cool thing
that I wish we had included in our
Batman Forever episode
This is just
such a fun little nugget
Um, when I was doing research for this
episode, I came across it
The creator
of Batman, Bob Crane, would be on set
during filming of Batman Forever, and he
drew a photo for Drew of her
grandfather, John Barrymore
That’s so cool
How freaking I want to see that
How
cool is that
I love seeing caricatures of like her
family anyway
I mean, I’ve seen a few
of John
I feel like
Yeah, I don’t know if I mean, oh my god,
that’s
such a cool little nugget
We’re going to have Deja Drews
I feel
like this is like going to be our life
The research will never stop
The new
the new old will always come up
But I
will add this to our Drew details page
on the Drew
We have a page if you guys
don’t know
It’s just tidbits galore as
we love
It’s just little factoids about
Drew’s life
And I’ll put this in there
because it’s so fun
It’s been a while
since I’ve like gone through that page
It might almost be fun to like do an
episode of Drew Details
Oh, we’re just like and then this and
then did you know this and then how
about this
It’s like the most like knowit all
episode
Like I mean it’s
I don’t know
Every episode is a
know-it-all episode when I’m involved
with
But we also are like it’s a gift
to you that we know all this information
in our heads
Speaking of gifts,
tell me what she has proclaimed her love
for this week
I love love love
Okay, we have a lot thanks to the Drew
Barrymore Show being back
All right
Drew loves a clash and she
means like patterns
She loves pioneers
and she meant like people who are like
innovators in their field
She loves a debate
A hearty vegetable soup in the
morning
In the morning
Yeah, you know that
would be me
She loves a puree
An egg cracked over a salad
I’m not sure about that either
She loves a pole
A Jeremy Irons
And finally, Drew loves a mullet
No surprise
She said that her wig from uh Full
Throttle, the dirt bike one, was one of
her favorite wigs she’s ever worn
I mean, is there any is there
any other mullet like hairstyle of hers
that like in any iteration
I don’t think so
I don’t even think like SNL wigs there
was any like mullety thing
There is that one where she’s like in
the last time she hosted where she’s
like um a pool player
That could be a
little mullety
I’ll have to look
I’d have to look back at it
If it is,
we’ll put a picture in the episode
If
not,
okay, so let’s go into our mailbag
We
always like going in there
We sure do
You’ve got mail
All right
What’s inside the mailbag
this week
We got a really nice message
on Instagram, and this is in regards to
our incredible interview with Little
Girl Los co-author Todd Gold
If you
guys missed that, it was quite a big
deal for us and we think you’d really
enjoy listening to it
Yes, please do
If you’re if you’re
listening to this and you haven’t heard
that, please
So, this is from um Instagram
user Angela Maror and they said, “This
was fascinating
One of your best eps
yet
He’s clearly such an intelligent,
curious, and sensitive man
And I loved
him giving you to your flowers for all
the hard and heartfelt work you do, too
Oh,
that’s really sweet because that I mean,
it really like surprised us
I think it
surprised me
to to for him to say that for for it to
have been conveyed to him enough like
what we were doing, you know
Like I
just
I don’t know
like I’m sure you
explained what we did and that you know
I mean ish it’s not like he could have
listened to anything unless he’s a
secret Patreon member but yeah it still
is like pinch me crazy
Um I do want to
give Angela extra thanks
I think this
is the same Angela
Different last
names, but should be the same Angela
because the same day um a member on
Patreon upgraded to our Doozy of Drew
tier, our $5 tier
And so, thank you,
Angela
And there will be a goodie
package coming your way via snail mail
soon
If you guys don’t know, our higher
tier of Patreon members get goodie
packages of Drew clippings and such
So,
you get some little physical stuff
If
if you have a love for physical things
like we do
I love paper
All right
Any chance we get to use
that, I try to segue into it
And that
one was easy
Someone sent me a letter
Someone sent me a letter
The paper crumbling
A
some paper
an envelope in the mail
coming to you for signing up for a
higher tier of Patreon
And anyone else who wants to join, come
on over
I was gonna say, might as well just plug
it because we’re talking about Todd
Gold
We’re we didn’t even really say
what the heck we’re talking about
If
you didn’t listen to last episode, if
you are new to us, that I don’t know
I
it blows my mind to think of new people
just listening to an episode
Like
we just finished going through Little
Girl Lost chapter by chapter on Patreon
and then we did our last episode as a
wrap-up
So if you didn’t know that and
that excites you, here’s where you go
Yeah, you get 16 exclusive episodes over
there for a dollar a month
We got to
try because
we’re doing this for nothing
For our own enjoyment
Zero
dollars, lots of heart
So, we have another another corner
to go in
Let’s go over there
So sweet
In the kind comments corner
Yeah, this is I just I actually picked
this for you
Um this is a YouTube
comment that I noticed on the Letterman
flashing video
Okay, so they said Brisb
on YouTube said, “She’s months older
than me and she looks like such a
flapper in this interview
Some timeless
jewel from the 1920s
She was so very
beautiful and she still is, but we all
get older
What a piece of time
What a
moment to love
“
Pretty cool, huh
I love that
And I I can see it like
also like Drew’s her vibe totally had
like a lapper
lapper energy
I mean, also like short hair is
kind of like a little bit synonymous
Um I love that
You’re right
Thanks for
pulling that for me
I love that
Like
now I’m just like other than um
other than Fever Pitch, do we get to see
like Drew in like actual Flapper
Does like anything in Grey Gardens get
close
It’s like it’s the it’s like
it’s like 40s, right
It’s like the
earliest
Anyway, yay
So, let’s go back in time for the first
time in this episode before we go back
to 95
We’re going to go back a little
bit further
for this week in True History
September 24th, 1990
And I really only
picked this one because I’ve always
personally loved how she looks here
Drew attended the Pacific Heights
premiere
I don’t even know like why
that was relevant to her
Sometimes she
just went to events in the early 90s
I
think when she was kind of trying to get
her career back on track
She attended this with Baltzar Getty who
she was dating seemingly most of the
time back then and then also her mother
Jade was there
This was a rare updo for
her at this time
And she has this
really cute purple bandana tied around
And I totally remember trying to copy
this look in like the year 2001 with a
bandana with the hoop earrings
And I’m
sure I looked just as cute as she did
No, her face just looked beautiful that
day
It does look really beautiful
And like
thinking back to that 1920s thing, it’s
like you almost get like a a vision of
what she would look like with really
short hair and it’s 1990
So, you’re
right
Like, I didn’t think of like how
uncharacteristic at the time
Like, she
always had her long blonde hair down
Like 90 90 like almost like through her
cutting it off
I don’t know
Yeah, totally
Um, of course, I had to
note that she’s got her marble reds in
her hand on on this little red carpet
It’s not even a red carpet
It’s
probably just outside the event
Um, but
that was such a thing for her to do back
then
Just carry around her cigarettes
And it’s just crazy to think like how
fresh out of Little Girl Lost that this
was
Like the book had been out for
seven months and like Yeah
It’s
that also feels weird
She like completely had her life
turn it around
It’s just so cool
I think one of the coolest things about
us doing this like going back into the
Drew history like going back into the
vault and like pulling something out is
like we’re revisiting something we know
well
But then it’s suddenly we have this like
new perspective because of like
Yeah
like a different context
Like I’m like, “Wait a minute,
that timeline
For you to say
that like that just I’m like, “Whoa
“
I’m thinking of her mindset
I’m
thinking of like how recently quote
unquote sober she was
She looks beautiful
She looks
I know
Both of
Okay, so let’s get into what’s new with
Drew
Here we go with the news,
everybody
Uh, not much to report on, but we
do have a new cover
Kind of new
So, this is the October issue of Real
Simple magazine, which I think we kind
of like guessed this was coming because
she designed that room for them
And I think maybe we
we said some I think we said like, “Oh,
that magazine’s so her vibe
” If she
like hasn’t We said something about
maybe she said she loved the magazine
and I was like, “I’m not surprised
Um, unfortunately they didn’t do a
new photo shoot
They used an old photo
was taken by Landon McMahan and it was
taken for that weird andme supplement
brand that she did a little campaign
with in 2024,
right
But it’s also interesting because
does she just do shoots that will go
into any like route, you know, in I know
that like literally one of the
commercials has her wearing the same
silky shirt
Oh, yeah
There’s like pictures of her
posing with the supplement and with like
the woman from the company
So
she I mean it’s a beautiful picture of
her and because she so infrequently
changes her look these days
Like it just she basically looks the
same
We can use it
But you know I get mad
I
want something new
But also like we get another like do we
have this in print already
We didn’t even have this photo at
all
So,
if if we’re still appreciating and
loving paper like we do, the real simple
physical magazine will be fun to have if
we can find it
Magazines are hard to
get these days, you guys
You know what
Right before we started
filming, um, our friends over at
Blockbuster Wives, the amazing podcast,
Stacy texted me a picture and she said,
“Do you have this
Do you want this
“
And I was like, “Yes, I want it
Thank
you so much
” So, thanks, Stacy
Go
listen to Blacklist Wives
A, that’s so cool
I love you all, man
I mean, I think I’ve always been so
touched when somebody like saves a
physical like Drew related artifact for
me
It’s always been like
clippings or magazines, but people don’t
think to do that even if I mean they
don’t really understand collecting
Like
even if
true,
you know, I mean, I’ve had people though
like past like like um classmates who
I’ve like reached out and been like,
“Does anyone have like this newspaper
“
And then like someone helps me gets like
a newspaper in the last like several
years
And I’m like so touched,
especially if like it’s like very little
effort for them if they like have it
and they’re going to throw it away, you
know
Guys, we want all the paper
I love
paper
We love paper
I like paper
I want paper
It never gets old
So, um, yes
So yeah, you as you
mentioned, she did design a a room in
this real simple house in New York City
So that it’s really cute
Of course,
she’s using it’s all it’s got a bunch of
her beautiful by Drew stuff
I do really
like that pillow
Actually, there are
two like decorative pillows in this that
are really cute
Yeah, those are definitely your vibe
This room is kind of a mashup of our
vibes actually
So, good job
Yeah, it kind of is
There’s like a boho
kind of rug and then some like sort of
art deco looking pillows
Um the only thing I pulled from
the article, which we will link to it if
you guys want to check it out
I thought
this was a really cool and inspiring
quote
She said, “If I imagine something
and I can’t find it, I want to make it
That really lights my fire
” And then
once the fire starts, it’s hard to
extinguish
That’s so true
That’s supposed to be Fire Starter by
Prodigy, in case you couldn’t tell
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Are we ready to get into our weekly
topic
You know what’s funny
This
has been on our list for a long time,
but I think we sort of felt like once we
had done Playboy that like this was
maybe overkill, but it’s just like out
in the world right now and Drew is
bringing it up again so much that it’s
like
guys is calling to us
And it’s telling us to lift up
our shirt on David Letterman’s desk
So, let’s go back to 1995
Let’s like
get us in
H can we please
Like we are go we are literally
traveling there guys right now
Give anything
Although I was in eighth grade which was
not a great time
Let’s pretend we’re going back there
like at you know like in our 20s
you know like or something where we’re
like smart enough but we’re like also
like not so tired you know
Oh the 90s
So 1995, Drew is 20 years
old
So she’s very much in her what she
literally has called exhibitionist, wild
child, little wood nymph, and also
taking off her clothes
Such good descriptions
And you mentioned that we’ done an
episode on this
Um she had posed for
the Playboy January issue
Um, and also
in February, Drew had stripped during a
performance art piece at a nightclub
called the Blue Angel, which we’ll get
into a little bit more
So, this is like
kind of putting you in that place
Yeah, she’s very much known for uh
taking it off
So, a quote from a little
bit later that year, she said, “I’m so
comfortable in my skin
” If you ever are
lucky enough to get to that place in
your life, and I had to go through tons
and tons of to get there, you have
to take advantage of it
It’s not about
exhibitionism, that’s where it goes
wrong when it becomes about wanting to
show yourself instead of just being able
to, which I love because like, you know,
in Little Girl Lash, it’s not mentioned
a lot, but she definitely deals with
feeling fat or overweight
And I remember we even kind of theorized
that this could come a little bit from
her mom who was always described as
frail
She’s extremely teeny tiny
She
only had like health food in the house
I think there’s something there that
she’s never really talked about
I’m sure that there was some kind of
food obsession or at least like body
obsession within the house with Jade
There had to
it just fits
This is also speaking to like she’s
saying what she like went through
Like she feels free
She feels good in
her body
It’s only five years after she released
Little Girl L
So, we’re also like
putting that in perspective, too
Um, and also like kind of put another
thing in perspective regarding this
topic is that Drew had been crushing on
Letterman for most of her life, she
said
And her first appearance on this
show was February 2nd of 1995 while she
was promoting Boys on the Side
So,
literally just a couple months before
So, like if you guys haven’t seen that
one, it’s not available online,
unfortunately
But there’s definitely a
chemistry between them
There’s
definitely a flirtation right off the
bat
It was very like it didn’t feel
gross to me ever, even though he’s so
old and she’s only 20
Like, they had a
like back and forth that was really fun
to watch
I think that David Letterman
tended to keep his distance while saying
whatever like, “Wow, he never even
really like said inappropriate things
So, that first appearance, like
the kind of tone is set, he invites her
to come back anytime
And later on,
she’s like, “I really appreciate you
actually did that
Like, you did let me
come back
“
Um, so she’s coming back
So you you
guys here’s that’s setting the scene
You kind of understand what’s going on
So now it is April 12th, 1995
This is
when history is about to be made
And it’s Dave’s birthday
So there’s
like a festive vibe in the show
And Drew was a guest for really no
specific reason
Um in Wildflower she
says that she was on to promote a film,
but she’s not at this time
She was the
time before and the time after, but they
don’t talk about a movie while she’s
there
Um, and she brings him
daisies in a glass bottle, which was
just
so cute
with like some like jute or like some
like Yeah
tied around the glass bottle
It’s so cute
Straight out of Real Simple magazine
Why didn’t she put that in that
room that she designed
Um, should we talk about her look a
little bit
cuz we love her so much at
this time
But also like this is an
iconic moment
So it’s also fun to like
point out some of the little details cuz
why are there so many fun details
Because it’s Drew and because we love
her
Because it’s true and it’s 95,
right
So she was wearing
black seemingly corduroy pants
They’re
definitely like dark
They’re either
like corduroy or velvety maybe
Um and
they have a weird patch that’s on like
the crotch and butt area
And we see it
because of this moment
Um, and so many
people, I don’t know if you’ve like read
recent comments in the videos that have
been posted, people are so weirded out
by it
What is that
Does she have a pad
on outside of her pants
Like,
oh my god, I know it is very weird
looking, but like
I don’t know
It just fits what her vibe
was at that time
She probably had a rip
and she just had somebody sew something
over it
It feels so her and I feel like anyone
who would have seen it at the time would
have been like, “Oh my god, she’s so
cool
” you know, like
I don’t know
So, anyway, she has this
patch, this visible like a couple times,
like her putting her legs up, you see
it, and when she’s on the desk, you see
it
Um, she’s wearing black heeled
boots, which she loves black heeled
boots
That’s such a vibe
Um, and then
she’s got like the most iconic thing I
feel like for a couple reasons
She’s
wearing this iconic uh long sleeved blue
tea that says, “I’m bananas over you
“
with the cartoon banana
And I I’ve
never like looked super closely at it,
but you noted that it’s got blush and
eyelashes
Like it is hilarious
It’s a girl banana
Um and I know so I made a note merch
idea because like I’ve always wanted
this shirt
What do you guys think
I already I
actually reached out to my cousin Roxy
Prima who is the designer of our logo
and I was like I am totally just
floating an idea
This is early stages
is would you be able to recreate this
like your own version like
Yeah
different enough we couldn’t get sued
even though who freaking knows where
this shirt came from
It’s probably
I don’t want to do like a reverse Google
and
Oh, I already tried
Of course you have
I didn’t find anything
So, the
odds of someone suing us over it are
pretty slim, but we’ll we’ll make sure
If there’s any interest out there, like,
let us know
Like, I want it
I do, too
Imagine how cute it would be
if we had matching
Oh my god, that would be so cute
It also makes me think of the Banana
Moores shirt that she had that was
apparently like a oneoff that we
inquired about and we’re like, “But it’s
got a little cartoon banana on that one,
too
“
Yeah, it’s so cute
Anyway, we
love this shirt
It It’s just adorable
It’s so It’s so 95 Drew
Like I know
that it’s like we are going to forever
associate it because it is part of this
historical moment, but also like
totally
it’s so her like I’m also Anyway, okay,
one more I guess one more little a
couple little details
Um she’s got her
usual like 1995 jewelry
So does she
have like her butterfly ring or
something on
And her like uh daisy necklace and
her hemp necklace that we had versions
of at one point
That’s right
The safety pin on the
bracelet
All of that
And her blonde pixie hair
It’s got a daisy in it
If you can’t picture it yet, I hope
you’re on our website looking at the
pictures right now on the Drewm
All right
So that’s what she’s looking
like and we all love it
So Drew and
Dave, they very briefly discuss her
recent 20th birthday, but immediately
after they pivot into the story of what
happened at this nude performance art
place, The Blue Angel
So Drew has a friend named John Rosen,
who I’m 90% sure is the guy who did
those little comics, the misfits that
she writes the book forward for
Has to be, right
Has to be
Um, and he had this act where
he would play like a very unfunny
comedian
And then this night, Drew
joined him on stage as a character
called Lolita because of course we know
she has a weird like problematic
obsession with the Lolita
Y
and she started stripping her clothes
off
in Wildflower
This is part of Drew
talking about this moment
Um, we have a
little bit more later, but the nice
thing is there’s a chapter about it and
we get to kind of extract from that a
little bit
We also, speaking of
Patreon, we’re going to be doing
Wildflower chapter by chapter
We’ll be talking about this all
over again
Anyway, so this chapter from
Wildflower
So, Drew’s like kind of saying
like no one had been there at the Blue
Angel to like document what actually
happened
Like, you know, this is pre
cell phones, all that stuff
But it had
gotten out in the news and word had
reached the Letterman producer
So when
she was going to go on, they did a
pre-in asked about it
So in the book
she says, “His Booker said, “Is it true
that you and your friend did a show
downtown
I described Dick Haney, that’s
John Rosen’s character, and my character
Lolita and how silly and quick and crazy
it was
” So he said, “If it was okay,
could I talk about it on the show with
David
” “Sure,” I said
Again, I was in
a very free state and I’d always loved
David Letterman since the day he went on
the air
I loved people who were smart
and funny
It would become my favorite
combination of someone’s personality
So, of course, I would discuss it with
Mr
I love that so much
And also, that is
so true about her
Smart and funny
She’s always said that
Always intellect and humor
So, Drew is telling this story of
the Blue Angel on the episode 95 and she
stops herself short
like she’s just
like stops and says, “Would you like me
to do a dance for you
Hi, Paul
[Laughter]
Oh, man
Paul, give me some blues
This
is so like classic
So, it’s it started, you guys
The runaway train as she’s explained it
later
So, she just is so fun
This is so like
characteristic
It’s not
uncharacteristic
It’s characteristic of
Drew, you know
She’s a fun
free loving gal
She jumps on Dave’s
desk and starts dancing
It’s very like
cute and sexy like Drew is
Um and you get like her cherub tattoos
on her lower back are peeking out
Like
we always love a tattoo peak, but also
like that adds to this like oh my god,
she’s so cool
Yeah, there’s like in
1995 like I I know I was too young to
really understand, but like we’ve got
90s love deep
Um anyway,
deep in our soul
All right, so Drew like does this
adorable spin with her back to the
audience
She impulsively and quickly
just lifts her shirt and flashes Dave
It’s just it’s so fast
It’s so fast
I’m almost like, did he
even see it
And then she, you know, like then she
immediately turns around with like a
look of disbelief and excitement on her
face
And this is like the most printed
picture basically is her like flipping
around and looking at the audience and
like she’s like celebrating and
totally like I can’t believe this just
happened
And it’s I just want to make it
clear like what’s so like it wasn’t like
she was flashing like the live audience
like she wasn’t like she didn’t bear her
chest to the TV
It was like this fun
moment and she’s clearly balless which
is like exactly her vibe at the time
So
everything about it is just playful
It’s like so playful
I do like people there
I’ve definitely
seen negative comments about it in
recent times
Um and we won’t get too
into that, but some people just miss the
point and they’re like, “Oh, if a dude
did this
” I’m like, “How do you even
begin to compare those things
Get out
of here
” Okay, so um a few more quotes
about the moment while we’re in the
moment
Um so let’s play the audio from
Wildflower
The moment was just one of
completely uncalculated silliness that
just started gaining motion like a
runaway train
If I was trying to be
sexy or get attention, it would have
felt that way
You could see me trying
to catch up to the train that was going
and after I was dancing on his desk, I
guess I wondered how I could up the ante
and strike a finishing moment
I lifted my top in a flash only for
David where no one else could see
I was
shocked at myself
And again, feeling
like the train was ahead of me, I turned
around and threw my arms up in the air
and looked to the audience like, “What
did I just do
Is this okay
Am I in
trouble
“
I didn’t even know
But then I just thought it’s time to get
off the desk and go back to my chair
And on my way there, I grabbed David by
the tie and brought him in for a sweet
kiss on the cheek
And it was sweet
But
the reaction of what he would think of
this whole moment hung in the balance
He threw his head back and
laughed
He let everyone know that it
was okay to enjoy the moment and not
overthink
This was a true moment of freedom and it
got to be something fun rather than
something wrong
Thank you for that,
Dave
It’s really sweet
It’s like it’s like
making me smile because it’s like she’s
talking about it in such a tender way
And it makes it make sense
Like
if you hear that, you can’t really be
like, “Oh, she’s so whatever negative
“
There’s still going to be people people
who have their opinions
We happen to
love her and her opinions
So anyway,
there here’s some other quotes
This is
from 1997 from US magazine
She said,
“Talk about moments
” Definitely one of
the best moments of my life
I’m just
standing there on Dave’s desk and the
only thing that’s going through my mind
is, “What are you doing
” It was never
planned
I just did it
And that was so
liberating
For the rest of my life, I
get to go back to that moment anytime I
want
And that same year, 97, she told Jane,
“That was so fun
It was so spontaneous
and so out of body
I can’t believe I
did that
I would never have the nerve
now
” I kind of like that she always
went like, “I still can’t believe this
happened
I still don’t know what I was
doing
” Like, there’s no part of her
that’s like, “Yeah, that was me
I was a
badass
” Like, she’s still like, “What
How did this happen
and she’s she lived her life
publicly
So, I feel like her even
thinking about the fact that’s like
national TV is probably not even really
on her mind
No, we’re going to get into that, too
So, as Drew said in
Wildflower, she gives David kiss on the
cheek
He looks totally stunned
They
actually showed this little shot of his
shocked face several times in her next
visit to the show, and he eventually was
like, “Stop showing that
” It’s really
funny
It is like a really funny clip
Yeah, a really funny image
And she just I know
And she hops back
down, gets in her chair in like a fit of
giggles, and this is what she had to
say
Let’s hear it
I would have always done it
It But it
was your birthday
You know, you know, I I can’t thank you
enough for that
[Applause]
[Laughter]
She’s so happy
She gets up and does them the cutest
little like um victory dance
Victory dance
The approval, you know, it’s like that
she was talking about
Oh, yeah
Because she was probably
inside like a little scared
How’s he
going to react
You know, this she said
like this could have gone real bad
It
is really funny as they go to
commercial
You have to listen for it
I
don’t even know if the version online
has it
I think it’s cut, but Drew
shouts really quickly, “I’m sorry,
Mary
” And that was for Eric Erinsson’s
mom, her boyfriend at the time, Eric
And we’ll talk a little bit more about
that in a minute
That’s so funny
when they come back
from commercial break, it’s it shows
that it’s being shown on the Megatron,
which is like a big huge TV in Times
Square
And yeah, and I’m like, but
they’re reacting to it live
I don’t
understand
Did his show air live
So why would it be playing in Time
Square
I’m so confused
I don’t know
I don’t get it either
Maybe there’s something that went on
back then that we don’t understand about
how his show aired in New York on the
street
I felt I guess maybe because I’m
such in like an AI and like things that
needed to edit mindset that I’m like is
that real
Like that would be so funny
if they did that
But like what I mean
yeah who knows who knows they have this
like you said like a direct line to the
Times Square like TV
Um okay so in this episode they talk
about other things like Drew’s career
and she sarcastically um says that she
can’t wait to hear what Stephen
Spielberg would say about what she just
did
He’s like really like a father to me
I
mean, he really is
And he still looks
at me like I’m his little girl
In fact,
I can’t wait to hear what he’s going to
say about what I just did
Dave’s cracking up
Um, another thing Drew said later in
Harper’s Bizaarre in 2007 was, “How can
I top that with a rice smile
I was so
out of body when that moment happened
“
Afterward, I said to Nancy Javonan, “Did
I just do that
” And she was like, “I
think you did
” And I was like, “Do
you
” But here’s what you were saying
She said, “I think I was like, do you
think anyone’s going to notice
“
She doesn’t know she’s Drew Barrymore,
guys
She also doesn’t realize like how
national TV is national, you know, like
Yeah
I don’t know
And then she said, you know, I couldn’t
do anything like that now, but have the
blast of your youth, you know, go for
it
I love that she said that in 2007
like
this is like
which to us is recent guys
I know it’s
18 years ago
Oh,
she would say the same thing now
All
right, a couple more little clips cuz
it’s so fun to like see how she
how she was feeling about it
You know,
we’re already completely on board with
how fun this moment was
Um, so Drew
also said in 1995, she said, “Any woman
who tells me she sat next to Dave’s desk
and didn’t want to get up and dance for
him, they’re lying or just really
different than me and I can’t understand
them
“
I love that, too
So then, uh, Letterman
said, this is also from the same article
from 1995
He said, “I guess an argument
can be made that it was in bad taste,
but I have to say from a professional
standpoint and also from a personal
standpoint, it was certainly one of the
delights of my adult life
“
I mean, yeah, you got to think
professionally, too, because this got
like a ton of coverage
So now his show
is in the public, in the press, right
Like people want to see this
adorable
moment like and and I guess maybe I just
Do you know anyone who watched it live
No, not that I know of
Because I’m pretty sure my high school
boyfriend George, you know him
I’m
pretty sure he told me that he watched
it live and he like remembers like who
already loved her at the time and he
would regularly watch David Letterman
so he like remembers being like, “Hell
yeah
“
Oh, I bet
Um, I do love the photo of her walking
to the car afterwards
There’s a couple
actually
You can see that Nancy is
there with her in the background of one
of them
But, uh, yeah, it’s funny like
she looks a little like
like almost in a days like I don’t know
what’s going to happen now
Like she does look a little I mean
she looks like her normal happy self but
with this like
Yeah
Um, and then one more quote
from Wildflower about the aftermath of
this
She said, “When we got in the car
after, I realized that this might make
waves
I met up with my friends from the
Lower East Side and we watched the show
together when it aired that night
As
the show started, I said, “Um, so this
might be a little crazy
” And they asked
me why
And I said, “Let’s just watch
“
And we did
As my dance on the desk
started to fly, my friends were as
shocked as anything you have ever seen,
but elated
And the whole thing ended in
cheers and people saying, “Oh my god,
and I can’t believe it
” They weren’t
judging me, but they weren’t exactly
condoning it either
I had done
something really out there by actually
putting it all out there
As I watched
myself and my friends laughing from an
objective perspective, I realized right
then and there that this was the end of
an era for me
And that’s true
It was a whole thing
It was an event
Y
um All right
So, we’ve got a clip from
2021
She’s always being asked about this
course still
I’m glad that Dave went with it cuz
Dave’s tricky
You know, he could have
turned on me in that moment and he had
my back in a moment where I did not know
what I was doing
Um, but I grew up
literally my biggest crush growing up
was David Letterman
So, I think I just
wanted to do something silly for him cuz
I’ve just loved what he put out into the
world
Um, I wasn’t trying to be sexual
I was just I don’t know what I was
doing
I still to this day don’t even
know how I would have the courage to do
something like that cuz now I’m so
appropriate and I just don’t even think
I have that
I would never do anything
like that now
So, it was it was fun
And we have like so many quotes of her
being like, “This is not who I am
anymore
” Of course, and like how I
mean, just one of the many things that
like as a mom, like this very public
life she’s had, her children being like,
“Oh, so she was on a talk show and
flashed them
” Huh, interesting
And I can’t wear a crop top
So, I think it’d be really
fun for you to introduce this thing
because you got some confirmation that
was really fun
like as we hit record
So, we knew of this really
adorable little skit that Late Show at
David Letterman ran
and we didn’t know when
Um, we have
finally gotten the answer
as of
recording, uh, there’s this guy who has
this incredible David Letterman database
that’s like I’ve just read a couple of
his blog posts about what it entails and
it’s unbelievably cool, right up our
alley, totally niche and nerdy
So, you
can find him at dawn’s denz
blog
blog
for that
But thanks to him, I I
messaged him like an hour ago
He got
back to me
He had the date
So on May
5th, 1995, so just less than a month
after this happened, there’s this little
skit where Dave all of a sudden runs out
of the studio cuz he realizes he’s late
for something
And they show him like
running down the streets of New York
He
runs up to this church, throws open the
door, runs up to the front of the
church, and it’s his wedding
And who is
the bride
It’s so cute
I love the reveal
So yes, like, thank you to this Dawn’s
blog
like so cool to have this date
because you and I were talking before we
started recording that like I didn’t
think about it being right after the
flashing like I don’t know I just didn’t
really associate them so that just makes
it like that much more funny and sweet
like he’s almost like oh now that she
flashed me we got to get married
that’s how
I got to be make an honest man out of me
or
it’s so it’s so adorable it’s like flash
like literally a flash in the pan is
that what you say
yeah and she gets to kiss him, which she
was pretty pumped about
I mean, yeah
Yeah, I get that
She,
like she said, she’s had a crush on him
her whole life
Um, all right
So, then
there was a follow-up appearance on May
22nd of 1995
Um,
we just living the dream back then
I mean,
yeah, why weren’t we why weren’t we
older
I don’t know
How well how do I
how do I wish that I was ready for Drew
at that point
Um, all right
So, in
Dave’s introduction, he says that Drew’s
appearances always cheer him up
Yeah, I bet
And, uh, Drew does a little like mimming
like flash when she comes out cuz of
course it’s hilarious
That’s everything
they want to, you know, joke about
Um,
and let’s get into a little bit of this
interview
Listen, uh, the last time you’re here,
uh, you did something I I’ve just I
still, you know, I start to yell
Have
you been having the same thing that I
have that everyone’s just talking about
it and every person
a lot of people
What is the
response you get from having done that
All positive which is great
You know I
thank people for enjoying that because
I’ll tell you how
I hope I’m still on the list
Well, you’re who I wanted to please the
most
That was very nice
And you did it
because it was my birthday
Roll the
video tape
That’s when they keep showing his face
going
All right
So then Drew in this
interview, she says that her boyfriend,
Eric Ernson’s whole family was watching
when it happened, and she was really
embarrassed, but she said they all got a
kick out of it, which is great
Yeah, thank goodness
Um, Drew gives props to the
perfect angle of the camera, which let’s
hear her listen to
But I also love this
idea because on when she was on that
Bill Maher show, she was like like
saying, “Oh, the coverage is great in
here
” Oh my gosh, you’re right
She’s
just very aware of that stuff where the
camera is
I mean, before she was actually
directing
Of course she was
So, let’s listen to her talk about the
perfect camera angle
You know what though
I got to say that
was perfect like angle
out better
Well, I think I had the best
angle
[Laughter]
Um, speaking of angles, I love that you
remembered
somehow this is less cute, but it’s
still funny
Um, in 2000 Dave had like
heart surgery and instead of having the
regular show, they were doing this thing
called Late Show backstage and they were
doing these like kind of private
interviews
Paul Schaefer interviewed
Drew and he tells her that he had the
perfect view of the Barrymore profile
that night
I think it’s e Paul
I mean, yes, a little gross, but like I
love that
I love the acknowledgement
in a different profile than we are used
to being referred to as the Barrymore
profile
All right
So, let’s let’s kind of get
into how Drew has changed since
Of
course, this is a huge thing
Drew is
not this little wood nymph anymore
She
is deep in her heart
The same person
Let’s listen to this little clip to
start us off
I don’t know
But I’m just so glad I got
to have a moment of that in my life
I
hope it comes back because it’s gone
And I would love it to come back
And
also when my boobs are hanging down at
my feet when I’m older, I’m going to be
like, “Look at where they were once
Look at that
” I mean, that’s so
great
Look at that
So that was in 1999
And as we know,
she’s gotten even more and more prudish
over the years
In 2005, she told
people, “Back then, I had a spontaneity
and a wildness that I totally don’t have
now
No more Playboy
No more standing
on Letterman’s desk
I don’t regret any
of it
I’m just past it
“
And then she also told the her favorite
magazine, the AARP,
back in 2020, “I was an absolute free
spirit
Glad I got that out of my system
because I’m a Puritan old lady now
I
wear clothes up to my neck
That kind of was true
At one point she
was like not showing her chest for a
while
So now, um, let’s get
back into Wildflower a little bit
So
she said,
“And so I started my journey into no sex
scenes in movies, modesty clauses in my
contract, and a total lack of nudity in
any public forum from there on out
And
year after year, I became more uptight
One button higher on the blouse, one
inch lower on the skirt
After
that, even though it went so well and
couldn’t have come off with a better,
more playful tone, I decided to take
matters into my own hands
I knew that
film had been my great opportunity in
the past, so I needed to make it my big
opportunity again
I wanted to be a good
girl, and I wanted goodness to be the
theme of my life and work
[Music]
It’s interesting how she frequently
thinks of herself as bad, you know,
like she was a wild child, but like
Well, she said she’s finally getting
over like the whole idea that she’s
going to get in trouble for everything,
right
It just makes me a little sad that
like this part of her life that we
admire and love so much, she thinks of
like, I was a bad girl and I needed to
behave after this, you know
I wish she
could reframe that
Maybe she has by
now
So the good girl roles kind of
follow after this
We’ve got Everyone
says I love you, Scream, The Wedding
Singer, Ever After
I mean, it goes on
So this it really was like the path that
she put herself on after that
Like
she’s like, “Okay, pinnacle
I feel like before reading this
chapter, you know, when a book first
came out, I don’t really feel like I
ever made that correlation that like
this was the end of this era because she
was like frequently nude in movies in
the early ‘9s, didn’t care, like
you know, in her in her skin and loving
it
But it’s really you can really like
draw the line in the sand
This is when
it all shifted
Um, a little more of the aftermath
So,
I just wanted to include this because
it’s kind of a lesserk known thing, but
I think it’s funny
In 1998, she did a
cameo as herself on a season 6 episode
of the Larry Sanders show, which was
about like a fictional talk show
And I
think like that show is ending
And so,
she’s making a little video saying, “Oh,
goodbye
Thank you for everything
Um,
let’s play this clip
So, show your tits
Well, you know, like he did on on on
Letterman, you know, little
whoop-doodle
What the are you
talking about
Cut, cut, cut
Um, I thought that was
like your stick, you know, like I do
Hey, now
it’s pretty funny
In like a 98 Drew to
be dropping the fbomb
It felt very
like, oh, she is still a bad girl
Yeah, I really like it
And yeah, I love
that she had this little like Larry
Sanders show like little, you know, bop
in there
It’s It’s pretty fun
And then we go forward to 2002 and
there’s some flirtiness going on in this
one
So, in a cute little call back to
the appearance, um, Drew like laid on
top of Dave’s desk and it was just a
cute little like before the commercial
break or something, right
Like,
yeah, I don’t totally remember the
context
I feel like she it was
Christmas time
I feel like she picked
up some like prop presents and got up on
the desk and Yeah, she’s just laying
there kicking her heels up
But, uh, we
all know what what’s a little call back
to
Um, in 2021 on the first birthday
surprise episode of the Drew Barrymore
Show, so this is the first time they
like just packed an episode full of
surprises for her
Um, Dave actually showed up and this was
still like pretty co time
Like people
were still zooming in
I think he
actually starts as a Zoom call and then
surprises her by actually walking out to
the stage which is really cool
I
remember being very touched by this, but
um very full circle because you know it
was his birthday when she did that and
then he’s surprising her for her
birthday
I kind of love it
And they of
course had to discuss the classic
moment
All right, let’s hear it
I had no plan of doing that
It was one
of those moments in my life where I felt
like a magnet was pulling me
Uh, and it
was all very playful and well-intended
and I just had no idea where it was
going
I couldn’t almost believe it was
happening
I think a little bit I was on
the ride too, wondering what was going
to happen next
And you taught me in
that moment how to be as a human being
because
I was shocked and I almost was like,
should I be embarrassed
Did I do
something bad
Am I in trouble
And I
knew in that moment that with one turn,
you could have gone, why did you do
that
What’s what’s wrong with you
And instead, you had that smile and you
said to everyone, “This moment is okay
“
And I thought, “I will treat people
I
will handle I will be the conductor for
the rest of my life to see when
spontaneity happens or something is
going on
I hope that I can be half the man Dave
is right now and just let something
innocent and spontaneous be innocent and
spontaneous
Well, I recognized it immediately as
being unique
It had it had not happened
prior to me
has not happened since to
me
And later I was thinking, “Oh jeez,
now what if she goes and does this on
Leno’s show
Then I’ll really be upset
“
That’s actually the perfect segue
It actually kind of is
All right, so
now let’s go to 2025
So that’s this
year
We get Drew doing a fun little
dance on another talk show host’s desk
Not Leno
So, just a few weeks ago, we talked
about it already on the show, but just
in case you didn’t listen to that one,
Drew went on the current version of The
Late Show with Steven Coar, and there’s
some stuff going on politically over
there
I don’t want to get into it
I’m
stressed out about the world
But in
order to show her love for him, she
said, “Oh, I have a lot of memories in
this theater with Dave
I had a lot of
fun
” and she gets up on his desk
She
does not flash him, but she pulls off
her jacket and the back of her shirt and
like beautiful sequins said we heart
Steven and it was a very cute tribute
She did say like this feels really
different now or something like that
She did when she was like kind of
crawling back and forth on top of his
desk like she’s like it’s not the same
Not the same but so sweet
So sweet
Um, and then Letterman was on
Drew’s show literally a week later,
which it’s like was like really re like
really soon after, right
It was like so
soon after
And they spoke very fondly
about it
And of course Dave had to
tease like pretending to be mad that she
did a dance for Colbear
Like I thought
that was our thing
It’s It was really sweet
It’s always
really sweet seeing them together
Well, I mean it’s crazy
So, I was
doing the math on it from our records,
from what I could find
I ended up
making a spreadsheet because that’s the
kind of loser I am
I love a
spreadsheet
Drew had made what I count
as 18 regular appearances on Late Show
with Letterman from 1995 to 2010
Um,
and then there were three other random
appearances
So, that cameo in the
wedding skit that we talked about,
there’s another weird, totally random
cameo we know nothing about from 1999
where she like kisses him, quote
unquote, it’s a camera and the pants
catch on fire
Remember that weird
thing
Oh, it sounds vaguely familiar
You’ll remember if when I show you
Um,
and then also, as we already discussed,
that late show backstage interview from
2000 when um Dave was recovering from
heart surgery and Paul Schaefer
interviewed her, which I would love to
get my hands on that one
I actually
reached out to Drew Barrymore Daisy to
see if she had that and I haven’t heard
back yet, but fingers crossed
Fingers crossed
All right, so guys,
we’re caught up
This was this fun
historic thing
Okay, so we’re how many
years from that having happened
This is the 30-y year anniversary
30 years
Did
you say so special
I mean, what a thing in your life
Like,
of all these things that happened in
Drew’s life, this is one of the big
ones
This is one of those like this
never gets left out of any story about
her, any autobiography
I mean, any
biography, any special about her
This
is always mentioned
It’s one of those
really iconic moments in her very
colorful history
Yeah, I’m glad that we covered it
I
almost felt like it wasn’t going to be
enough and then like
yeah guys it was enough
It always is
There’s always layers upon
layers and many many quotes from her
Hopefully it wasn’t overkill but I just
pulled anything I could find because it
was just too much fun
Really fun
And the repeating of the
like
the consistency of how she’s felt about
it like almost like since it happened
even through like now
I like
the reiteration of the same kind of in
like intention
She’s never changed her story
She’s sticking to it
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How Do You Drew Episode 117 – Charlie’s Angels
Please note that this transcription was automatically generated and may contain mistakes.
[Music] How do you drew
How do you drew
[Music] Good morning, angels,
and welcome to How Do You Drew
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And thanks to our sponsor and friends at
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I’m an Ashley
And this week,
we are finally discussing Charlie’s Angels
[Music]
It’s kind of wild that we waited, but also it
felt really daunting, right
And when
when you were going through this process, did it
feel daunting
You know, it’s funny
I’m going to
mention it a little bit later on
There’s a way
that Drew kind of describes Flower Films taking
it on and I was like relatable because I was like
this is going to be a lot and it it’s a lot like
there’s no way we’re going to get to everything
There’s yeah just so much we could delve into
There’s so many tidbits
There’s so much to
talk about
Even just talking about the movie
like there are so many costumes that it’s like oh
yeah another scene, another scene
Another scene
we have to talk about
So, let’s get
into it
Um, we’re just going to kind of get the
what do you call it
Like the big stuff out of the
business
The business
The business
This film was directed by MC G, the lovely MC G
Uh, it was written by Ryan Row and Ed Solomon and
John August and many, many others
We’ll talk
about that
It was produced by Leonard
Goldberg, Drew Barrymore, and Nancy Jonan
And do you want to talk about why we’re here
So, this movie was released on November 3rd in
the year 2000
And this is the Yes
I was hoping
you’d do that
This is the 25 year anniversary
That’s insane
And happy 25 years
Half a freaking
quarter of a century
What is even happening right
now
This movie just came out recent
This recent
film from the year 2000
Uh yeah, I feel like I
because it’s so close to my birthday, I remember
like being excited and almost felt like a gift
like you know when this was coming out
Let’s talk
about that
Like I mean this is I think we have
this shared experience of this being sort of the
first production that Drew did um as an actress
or producer that we really followed the process
from the start
Like we knew when it was
announced, we knew when they started filming, we
saw the paparazzi photos
We got all these little
like casting info
Like every step of the way,
our little grapevine drooy crew was like watching
the news on it and sharing it with each other
So
this was I mean not only is it just a huge movie
in so many ways, but it was huge for us to like
it was an event
We were like so like tightly knit
connected with that message board and this really
was like kind of like maybe the height was kind of
like right in this range, right
Oh, totally
Um,
what do you remember about seeing it with it being
sort of a birthday gift to you
You know what
I
I sadly don’t remember seeing it vividly
Like I
don’t remember the experience in the theater
I
know I’ve loved it every time I’ve watched it,
but I don’t have any recollection of like the
first time
I just know I was excited
And I
think I even got like the movie poster before
I saw the movie
Oh, totally
And it was
like I had the shiny one that had like silver foil
all around
I was in college and
my friends Jenny and Claire, we literally took a
bus to get to the movie theater
Jenny had been
like also like kind of following all of the like
news and stuff and she like brought me all the
stuff back from London where she lived cuz it was
always, you know, was in all the magazines
We’re
going to talk about that, too
But, um, yeah
So,
it was really exciting and I freaking loved it
Like, how do you not watch this movie and just
have a blast, right
I mean, it’s it’s not
supposed to be serious
It’s you’re supposed to
come out of it a little bit like, okay, yeah, that
was fun
You know what
I didn’t pull it
We had a
quote a couple episodes ago about something funny
that Drew said about it
And now I don’t remember
like the source of it, but it was something like
you want to come out of it and like make out
with your girlfriend or like go have fun with your
friends
Like that’s how she wanted people to come
out of the movie
So yeah, we we are very nostalgic about this
film as you can see
This is like you know it just
marks this certain point like how old was I
I had
I was about to turn 16 and I was 18
Should we read our
favorite IMDb summary
Yeah, go for it
Three private investigators are assigned to track
down a kidnapped software engineer, but the case
isn’t always as straightforward as it seems
It’s
a very vague way
That’s all it is
Three private
investigators
No like high jinks, disguises,
adventure fights, like none of that stuff
That’s
I mean I guess that’s the plot
I guess that’s the
point is like funny
It’s kind of giving away
There’s a twist with this uh kidnapping
It’s Do
they always refer to the char like the angels as
private investigators
I was wondering that too
because at one point I was like, “Oh, they’re
spies
” And then there’s another point where I
think Knox says you’re a detective
And so, yeah,
I don’t know
Maybe it’s like a very, you know,
the angels are the angels and that’s all you need
to know
I never really thought about like,
yeah, what category do they fit in
I just knew
it was like you come to them if you have a very
specific and like need that requires a lot
of knowledge and skills
Um all right,
let’s get into the making of the film
So there’s
a lot that went into this
Um obviously there’s a
lot of history because it’s Charlie’s Angels
So
it’s based on the popular 1970s Aaron Spelling
Leonard Goldberg television show if you’re not
aware of that for some reason
Um Drew said about
the TV show, I loved it
I collected Matchbox
cars and Tonka trucks and it was the one show
where I saw women driving really cool sports cars
Isn’t that fun
That’s really fun
She also said,
“I always just remember that there was nothing I
didn’t like about any of them
I loved all three
of them so much
” And I I didn’t note it here,
but I do remember Drew saying that like at one
point they wanted the original Angels to cameo
It was never able to like be figured out
But I
think she said her envision was or her vision
was that her the current angels and the former
angels would like pass each other like passing
the torch like an escalator or something
And
that was sort of what she ended up doing with the
Siza video, just walking by her and being like,
“Oh
” So she was comparing those
That’s kind of cool
That is cool
So,
let’s get back to the making up
So, when Nancy
Javonan learned that Sony and Colia were making
a film version in 1998, she immediately knew
that she and Drew just needed to get on top of
it
Like, this was the project
She like felt it
They were passionate about it from the start
Um,
they pitched it using a videotape montage that
Drew had compiled of film of like clips from
other movies
So, she basically made like a real
um using clips from Lost in America, The Jerk,
The Red Balloon, and Raging Bull
And it was to
like explain like this is what the tone that I’m
going for is
Um I was thinking that it reminds
me of um the fact that like when she did Whip It,
we know that she had like a wall of like
inspiration
I was thinking the exact
same thing
She’s very into like mood boards
or mood videotapes, I guess, right
And like I I
had this like, oh, it’d be so cool to see that
knowing she curated it
Really cool to
like get into Drew’s brain and think about that
stuff
So, it was announced in February 1999 that
Drew and Flower Films were officially attached
to the project
And I’m sure we found out about
it right away, right
I was going to say like
February 99 like that
It’s like it was
such a peak time, right
Um, so this is what I
was referring to earlier
So Drew said, quote,
“I feel like step one was producing Never Been
Kissed
We kind of skipped steps two, three, and
four and went straight to five
I don’t think we
had any idea how intense it would be
” And yeah,
preparing for this episode felt a little like
that where I was just like and I was trying
to like do it in a short amount of time
should
have should have done it earlier and it was just
like oh my god like I was literally telling you
I was in yoga yesterday trying to be present on
the mat and instead I’m like thinking about
all these different notes I wanted to add
literally like text about Drew flying at you while
you’re closing your eyes trying to zone everything
out just for an hour please
All right so um
anyway you just we just love it so much that
you can’t stop thinking about it
Um, so Drew
and Nancy like really really like went to bat
for MC G who was a music video director
Can I ask
you real quick
Were you familiar with him
before this
I knew the videos and I don’t know
that I had noticed that director over and over
again
I was like an uber nerd about music
videos in the ‘9s
And like this will probably
come as a great shock to you, but all the ones I
recorded, I also made notes of who the music video
director was
So I would pay attention to like
the repeating person and what their style was
So I recognized not only MC G because I knew his
name
It’s very unique
And he’d done like Sugar
Ray and Sublime and stuff, but his style was very
like saturated colors
And like there’s parts in
this movie where I’m like, “Oh, that’s exactly
what he kind of has in one of his music videos
“
And Right
So I like I remember being like,
“Cool
” Like this will look great
And
I think I I can’t I don’t know if I was aware, but
also this is like a time when my uh musical taste
was like changing also
So I might not have been
watching MTV or if I was, I don’t know
Anyway,
um so this film was MC’s feature film debut
So basically at that point he was known as this
music video director um and he gave them a super
enthusiastic pitch for his vision
So he set the
stage here
So here’s a quote
One thing about MC
G when he did his presentation to us was that he
was ready to act it all out to us scene by scene,
shot by shot
It felt like a historical moment in
my life
His presentation itself was worth doing
the movie
He is full of passion, enthusiasm,
optimism, and energy
That his belief in us
made us work harder and be better at our jobs
I do know that there’s a part in the DVD special
features where Bill Murray is kind of making fun
of MC G like he says like if you put a quarter
in him, he’ll do the entire movie
And like But
that’s so cool
He really like got into it
He
was like this is what it’s going to be
I also always really loved the way that he
describes his vision um in this little clip about
the storybook pages
Each scene, you know, had its
own signature
I wanted it to feel like a gigantic
story book where you were turning pages
You
remember the scene at the racetrack
You remember
Cameron’s dream
You remember Lucy inside of a
chrome Airstream trailer, the Swiss Miss yodeller
scene
You would never confound this page with the
current page with the page that’s about to follow
I love that
Love that the story book part
I mean
that kind of is what I was saying earlier like
there’s so many costumes, there’s so many like
different things that you can’t describe without
saying like what their disguise is basically
I love that
Um everyone in the
casting crew raved about that enthusiasm and joy
and energy that he brought
Um he’d applaud after
se like every single scene throughout filming
like enthusiasm to the max
Like absolutely,
absolutely
And this is a cute other little
clip of Drew just gushing about McGee
I have
a love and a loyalty towards this man because I
continued without doubt to trust his instincts
I
love that
And I know that we know that there was
quite an affection like they she like because she
had gone to bat for him like I don’t know
I also think it’s interesting that flower films
frequently had these like instincts about people
like I think about Richard Kelly with Donnie Darko
also first time director also got push back from
you know whoever the financers studios whatever
like and they were like no like this is this
is the guy he has the vision we’re going with
him and it’s very similar in that way it’s so cool
right I really like that um should we get into our
little encounters with pink G briefly just briefly
we’ve been lucky enough to meet him three times,
which is hilarious
Okay, so I’m remembering
two and Why don’t I remember the third
So,
let me What I think is the first was on the set
of Full Throttle
Okay, so we weren’t Well,
okay guys, the set this day was Hollywood
Boulevard and it’s Yeah, it wasn’t like a closed
private set
He just was like walking down the
street and we were like MC G
and he like stopped
and talked to us and we took a picture with him
and it was like here he is directing this gigantic
movie on Hollywood Boulevard and there’s like no
one around him
It was crazy
And then the second
time we met him I believe would have been when we
just happened to go see Confessions of a Dangerous
Mind on opening day in a movie theater and he
was like two seats behind us and we got to talk
to him after and it was like almost empty, wasn’t
it
I feel like it was like us and him and like a
few other people and it like maybe it was like a
matinea like I remember it was like it might have
even was it New Year’s Day
Yeah, it was something
weird like that, right
If like everything about
it felt like very specific but it was just like
holy [ ] McGee’s behind us and he’s so nice And then the last time, what you’re probably not remembering is that we went and saw him at the Arklight for one of those Master Storytellers Q& A’s for Charlie’s Angels And we also took a picture with him after that I am completely blanking on this Yeah, I don’t remember that one as well either If there wasn’t a photo, I’d probably forget it even happened, which is crazy Where was it The Ark Light Same place where we saw Kevin Williamson do Scream and then Drew and Nancy for 50 First Dates, of course So, I remember those Why don’t I remember Anyway, I don’t know We did too many cool things back in the day, guys Remember remember that I mean, do you remember we met Cameron Diaz Cuz I always forget that and I just saw her name and I was like, “Oh, yeah We met her, too ” That’s right When you’re around LA, a lot things like this just happen It’s just encounters with people who are, you know, it’s like whatever It’s their town So Drew convinced Cameron Diaz to sign on even without a complete script So uh here’s a quote It says, “Cameron is effervescent, optimistic, and has a great strength and stability in her She is one of the most real people I have met in my life I’ve always wanted to work with her I thought it would be great to do something fun together, and this is an opportunity that’s different from a lot of films because of the various aspects And there’s like all these fun stories about how of course we know the magic of Drew picking up the phone and calling somebody for something It like happens so often like Right Cameron said like they talked for so long that like her cell phone was like burning up her face and the battery died because they just started like getting all these ideas and getting so excited about what this could be I love it so much So Drew and Cameron spent the next few months like in story meetings trying to figure out their characters and then more importantly they started this intense training for the martial arts and wire stunts in the film And I found out that it was in the um what was at the time the LA Park Plaza Hotel’s basketball court which is like such a fun little snippet I was like I have to write that down somewhere We can’t forget that It’s now called the MacArthur I love that I even found pictures of it I was like, “That’s so cool ” I love that I love these little things We just live for this Tidbits galore Give them to us So, we remember this vividly So, rumors went on for like so long about who the third angel would be Um, some actresses mentioned included um Angelina Jolie, Sandy Newton, Jennifer Lopez, uh, Penelopey Cruz, and Jada Pinket Smith Um, you made a note here that Sandy Newton has said like I think outright that Amy Pascal was kind of racist to her about this opportunity Which is crazy because like by looking at these names with the exception of Angelina like there clearly were going for like a minority for the third role and having diversity which is great but yeah it uh didn’t the things that um Sandy said was like cringe Oh, Amy Pascal I always think of her crazy hair at Drew’s star ceremony I can picture it I pictured a picture that I took Um um other others who were known to have auditioned include uh Nia Long and Regina Hall And those are just like what people we found out like they’ve both uh mentioned on on Drew’s show Which is really cool But of course, when Lucy Lou came in, there was just immediate chemistry They all knew she was the one Um, a quote from Lucy is, “I don’t think I’ve ever laughed so hard at a reading I forgot about the job for a minute It was more about finding friends I was hoping I could get to know better ” A I know And then Cameron also said, “We all have the same sense of humor We all have that same twistedness about us ” So, they just like clicked And it’s cool because Lucy brings a very different energy than Drew and Cameron do, which is perfect That’s what you want But like yeah, there was something that they all connected and like had the same about that like filled some gap Like it feels like a like circle or something I wonder when they started calling each other Pooh I don’t know Probably right away I could see that That’s like definitely a pet name that continues Um, all right So now let’s talk about the cast because there’s a pretty amazing cast It’s kind of crazy Like we can’t can we even mention everyone I don’t know There’s so many like fun little cameos and popups At one point like while I was watching the film, I was like it was like this person followed by this person quickly I feel like it was like Bill Murray and then Tim Curry It was like them back toback And I was like, “Oh, cool So, let’s let’s let’s talk about uh the angels first ” So, Drew as Dylan Uh Drew said of her character Dylan Dylan was the wild one who had been born into reform school She was the Wendy O of the Angels completely badass Like she’s a Hessher An absolute rock and roll reform schoolgirl Hessher I also think it’s funny that she had described herself in rehab as like Wendy O, like trying to get everybody riled up So, I I just wanted to like explain because I don’t think I knew this outright, so I don’t know if other people do So, Wendy O was a famous like singer of a punk band called The Plasmatics Um, and I pulled a quote It says that she was noted for her onstage theatrics which included partial nudity, exploding equipment, firing a shotgun, and chainsawing guitars Yeah, that’s Dylan vibes I get it, right So, it’s kind of cool, you know, and when even when they’ll get into it, but when they show her at the very beginning, like she’s totally a Hasher Um, another thing that Drew said was that after playing so many good girl roles, she really wanted to play someone who had a [ ] drink, loved to
have a kind of wild night, and also just had balls
of steel, would jump off a [ ] 50ft building and not question that she wasn’t going to make it okay because it wasn’t about making it okay That was a given I wanted to play a little bit of a badass I wanted to play someone who was unashamed and was in touch with her sexuality and in touch with her bravery And yeah, I would imagine going off of Josie Grossy, this is like such a change I absolutely love it Although there are some Josie mannerisms that I’m gonna note Yeah, I’m excited to hear like of course it’s like it’s Drew It’s still Drew But I was I’ll say really quickly because like she definitely like got into that role Like even when you see her like there’s one point when they’re sitting in um the agency they’re like sitting on the couch and the way Drew’s sitting like she looks like a badass like kind of slumped down I know exactly And she like has like one of her legs up or something but like it’s very there’s something very like confident about just the way she’s sitting that gives off this vibe So okay so we mentioned Cameron Diaz Uh she plays Natalie Um she’s kind of described as a California girl next door goofy but genius And then at Lucilio is Alex and she’s like the high class sort of born with a silver spoon angel And it’s just such a great like great combination like to go from hey we don’t really have a script We don’t know who these characters are Like I feel like they really did great like nailing it all down So and then we mentioned Bill Murray Bill Murray as Bosley Um it was apparently pretty hard to get him to sign on Um he even did the uh Oh yeah, we I forgot we I think we talked about this when we did the SNL When they were trying to get him, Drew attended the SNL 25th anniversary special and he was hosting it and he came up to her in the audience and started singing Don’t Go Chasing Waterfalls And it was very much like, you know, I I even finally found like the source of that information And even Nancy was like, “Yeah, we were trying to figure out for a while what he was trying to tell us with that ” But he eventually relented, so I’m like, “Get over yourself, Bill Sam Rockwell, who we love Um, he plays him, too Yes, we have Didn’t we like conjure him Yeah, that’s a better way to put it We conjured him out of the ether on on Sunset Boulevard We’re like, “We’d love to meet Sam Rockwell ” And like five minutes later, he pulled up in a car and ran into a store in front of us It was so weird, guys It was so weird So anyway, Sam Rockwell, he’s Eric Knox MC G and Sam wanted the quote unquote good version of the character to be really like warm and fuzzy and with like messed up hair or like Spike Jones or Beck Totally comes off Like right when I read this, I was like totally Um, and then he and Drew, Sam and Drew would soon play love interests again in Confessions of a Dangerous Mind And later they played Siblings and Everybody’s Fine Um, anyway, we love Sam Rockwell You met him again Yeah, because we didn’t actually talk to him that time It happened so fast and it was so [ ] like what
Like he clearly was,
right
I think he must have like It was book soup
It was book soup
I think he must have
like paid and then like gotten it and left like or
something like it was it was yeah it was like less
than a minute
I don’t know
It was so fast
So I
got another chance and I was like I am not missing
this opportunity again and I like fully stopped
him in like a food court of the Palms and got a
really cute picture
We’re going to have a lot
of cool pictures of us with people to put in this
one
Um, Kelly Lynch is Vivian Wood,
Knox’s business partner, and you know, she also
turns out to be a bad guy
Uh, and then Crisen
Glover is the creepy thin man
And I thought this
was fun
MC G said that Crispen, this is so like,
yep, what exactly you think Crisen would do, gave
him three pages on the psychology of the character
and that everything all the way down to the way
he held a cigarette was completely planned out by
him
just I mean speaking of cigarettes like when
he smokes and walks like his smoke like whooshes
behind him and it looks really cool and I was like
I bet that was him completely like doing that
For somebody who has no dialogue in this
entire movie, he makes such an impression
It’s
like it’s really cool
He only like screams
Yeah,
he does scream
You’re right
All right, so then
we have Matt Leblanc as Jason
Um, he plays Alex’s
love interest, which is Lucy Lou
And if you don’t
know about his bangs in this movie, you’re in
for a treat
Um, all right
So, then we’ve got
Tom Green as the Chad
He’s one of Dylan’s love
interests
Drew was a fan of his TV show and on
MTV and kind of had a crush on him and wanted
him in the movie
So, she charmed him, right
There she goes again
and she charmed
him so much that they ended up getting married
eventually
They started dating during filming
and then they were married in 2001
And
his whole like testicular cancer went on during
filming of this like Whoa
I didn’t realize it
was kind of the same
It was exactly the same
timeline
Same exact time
Yeah, I know
She had a lot going on at this time
It’s
crazy
she like made her way out of this year
Um,
we also have to mention Luke Wilson as Pete
He
becomes Natalie’s love interest
And, you know,
interestingly enough, he was Drew’s most recent
ex at this time
And sometimes I wonder like how
did she feel watching her best friend flirt
with her ex like, you know, on camera for for
the movie
But still, it’s like I would love to
know
I don’t think we’ve ever found out like how
he ended up in the movie
Why they asked him to do
it because he’s so cute and charming
I don’t know
what When was the last appearance where they were
seen together
It was like right at the time she
was training for Charlie’s Angels
It was
like the end of 1999, like right when she like the
those pictures of her changing in the parking lot
to jog was because she was training for the movie
Oh, that makes sense
So, maybe maybe
it’s a thing where he had the part because
they were together and then they split up and
then all of a sudden she’s dating Tom
I don’t
know
But like the part as not her love
interest is someone else’s
So, it’s it’s kind of
interesting
I mean, either way, he’s great in it
Oh, I love him in this movie
He’s so sweet
So,
then I we mentioned Tim Curry earlier
He plays
Roger Corwin, the owner of Knox’s rival company,
Red Star
Um, he’s like a villain but not the
villain
He’s like a jerk, but he doesn’t he’s
not really the bad guy
I think we we think he
is and then it turns out he’s not
He’s so like
memy in this movie
Yeah, he is
It’s perfect
though
He He does He does a great job
Um,
and then John Foresight is returning as the
original voice of Charlie from the TV series,
which is so cool
I love I love that they
got that
Like that’s so rad
He said I did
a special with Drew when she was 10 and I said
we’ve got to act together when you grow up
Oh,
that’s so sweet
It is sweet, especially when you
think about like how Dylan is sort of like the one
who’s like doesn’t have a family, sees Charlie,
but also like the novelization really hammers home
like her wanting to see Charlie
Like in every
phone call she goes, “Charlie, can you join us
“
Like it’s kind of goofy, but I wonder if like that
was in the script where it was more like she’s
always searching for that
Interesting
So,
we have some of our Drew regulars on the crew
So,
the makeup supervisor was Kim Green and
the hair supervisor was Barbara OA and they
frequently worked together with Drew for years
and years and years on a lot of her stuff
Um,
we were lucky enough to interview Kim on our
episode 20 and she told us that she always loved
working with Drew and Nancy and Flower because
there were always days of makeup planning and
tests and she absolutely loved doing like all
of Dylan’s disguises
So, go listen to that
episode if you want a little more
We have those
amazing Polaroids that she shared once online
that like have totally made their way all over
the internet, but it’s at like eight different
Drew Polaroids on the set of the movie
And oh my
god, Kim, if you ever want to give those to us,
please do
Oh, the DM would be the place
for them
We should tell her that
But her makeup
in this movie is so beautiful
Like there’s a lot
of really bold, colorful choices with the lips and
the eye shadow, but it just totally works
I love
every single one works
Everything works on that
Why is she so beautiful in this movie
I don’t
know
I think I think she just is very beautiful
and this is like and this is showcasing it
I
think it’s like it’s purposely showcasing their
beauty and power
The angels are elevated, right
So everything is elevated, including their
beauty
And of course her red hair
Like I
I think that was such a cool choice for her to do
Like I still to this day will never get over
her not doing it red for the sequel
Anyway,
and like she loves red heads
She’s always talked
about how red heads are like the hottest thing in
the world
So I just I think that was a brilliant
choice and I’m sure that was her decision
Yeah,
I’m sure
So then the casting
was done by Justine Battley and Kim Davis
Wagner
Justine was friends with Drew since she
was like 13
They lived together for a while
um in the 90s
And then Kim Davis is Tamara
Davis’s sister and they did casting for a
lot of Flower Films productions as a team
I feel like they worked as a team
Yeah,
they always worked together
Yeah, they still do
Oh, that’s so cool
Um, and then Drew’s assistant,
credited, is uh Chris Miller, who we
love
And wait, we’ve met him, too
We probably have uh gushed about Chris
Miller many times, but like we love Chris Miller
He became our go-to guy for such a long time
He
is now the showrunner for the Tonight Show
Like
he is owe him a lot a big shot
He
g he gave us I feel like he he definitely is the
reason that we were able to do what we’re able to
do recently
He like opened the door to give
us what Drew says
What did what did she say
We
have um direct access
Direct access to her
That
all started with Chris
By the way,
that’s very nice of her to say, but there’ll be
more about Chris a little bit later on
Um okay,
the costume designer
We have to give credit to
this guy cuz hello, this movie costume’s amazing
It’s Joseph G
Alisi and I think this is cool
He
thought it was very important to give each angel
their own signature style
And I just pulled this
little quote that he had about Drew’s character
because that’s who we are here for
He said,
“As for Drew Barrymore’s fun reformed rebel
character, Dylan, Alisi said he incorporated
the actress’s real life neo flower power fondness
for vintage clothes into the wardrobe
He believes
Barry Moore’s best attributes are her shoulders
and neckline, so he put her in clothes with deep
plunging necklines
” And that made me realize
like when I read it, because I always think Dylan,
I always think like rock and roll look, but she
actually in the first movie is more like bohemian
She’s wearing a lot of like these kind of flowy
covers like I chose to wear today
Like she
doesn’t really have with the exception of the rock
band which is a disguise and like her flashback to
her, you know, high school bathroom or whatever
Like she doesn’t really dress like that
That’s
true
It’s kind of interesting
One other cool
thing about Joseph is that he did her dress for
the 2000 Oscars, which um the Angels all went
to, and we’ll mention that later on, but this is
the one with the plunging back line, which is so
cool
And um I know we’ve mentioned this before,
but she specifically said that dress was lost in
her house fire
At least we
have a million pictures of it, right
the
Oscars like they take I don’t know sort of to go
back to the Oscars
Yeah, me too
So, um many of the costume pieces for Charlie’s
Angels were created by John David Ridge
Um and
it turns out he designed Drew’s wedding dress
for her marriage to Tom Green in 2001
So, it’s
kind of cool that she like had them make personal
clothes for her
Found that out
I was so pumped
to like get that piece of information
We have
a whole episode on Drew’s weddings and we didn’t
know anything about that dress
In fact, there’s
no good photos of that dress
It’s very hard to
see the details of it
But when I found that out,
it was like just so cool to learn that
And we
ended up contacting like a university that has
his collection in their archives and they sent
us like some of the documents from when he was
designing the dress
It’s just like so neat
It was so cool
Um, all right
So,
the martial arts, we mentioned that Drew was
training
Like, as soon as they basically decided
they were doing the movie, they were training
Um,
Chen Yan Yun
I don’t know how to say that
Uh,
aka the master
I love this guy
He didn’t
he do the Matrix
Yeah, he did the Matrix,
which is very like you can see the the inspiration
in there, I think, in some of the scenes, right
So they trained with like
they did real training, real I mean there is a
great video on YouTube that we’ll link to that
it’s from the DVD, but it shows like what they
went through and it’s really I’m going to mention
this again later on when we go through the movie,
but it’s really like satisfying to see like them
trying to get moves down and like looking kind of
sloppy to what ends up, you know, happening when
we see it on screen
It’s just so cool
And they
had a lot of respect for this guy
It sounds like
he’s the master
He was making them as powerful as
they needed to be, right
Here’s just
a little quick clip from Drew talking about the
training process
Your knuckles would be broken
with bloody vessels and you just thought, “Yeah,
that’s so hot
” You sweat, you bond, you learn
things that you never thought that you could do
It’s just so cool
like Drew not ever thinking of
herself as that athletic, right
To see the things
that she was able to do after this training
I’m
just so proud
Every time I watch it, I’m like,
look at her go
It’s so cool
I mean,
this was a cool movie, you know
Like it’s that’s
the thing is it’s like fun
She got
to be cool and do cool things like anyways
So, we mentioned um earlier that there were
many writers that worked on this
So, famously,
there were like many writers and a lot of rewrites
and like day of filming, I think they were like,
“Here’s some new pages
” I love this screen cap
you put in here where it’s like the different
versions and their date
So, it’s like blue
version, pink version, yellow version, and it’s
like days apart
And then it starts getting
real random
Salmon cherry
Guys, there’s like 10
different versions on just this screenshot
There
probably were more
There’s probably more
So, we know that an early version of
the script had something to do with supermodels
being cloned and Drew and Nancy were like, “Eh,
like they ditched that immediately
” Um, and
the writer, John August, recalls he had an early
meeting with Drew about the screenplay where she
really emphasized that she wanted the angels to be
confident on the job and giant dorks off the job,
which is so fun
That’s so Drew, too
It really really that’s totally her
Um I do want to say like so like I said
I read the novelization because sometimes you
can get little snippets of things that were cut
out of the movie when you do that
So it’s kind
of fun
But it really drove home the fact to
me that like the script is pretty like when
you’re just reading it and you don’t have like
the imagery and the music and like the all the
charisma from the performances and just all of
the things MC G brought to it
It’s like, wait,
what’s going on
It’s But that’s
not what we’re here for, so it doesn’t matter,
right
I mean, there’s a very general conflict
that resolves
Like, that’s that’s it
That’s all
we really don’t worry about those weird details
about the satellites and right, things that don’t
make sense at all
Um, Drew had a very
clear stance that she didn’t want the angels
to have guns
And I feel like this was like in
a lot of the like media about it
It was like
they are using their hands like they are doing
martial arts like we’ve said
So filming started
on January 10th, 2000 and it ended approximately
in May
And one of the cool things that we kind
of had mentioned this before was that we would
get to see a lot of paparazzi photos which like
you know paparazzi we’re not always here for it
but we got to see like a lot of onset pictures
whenever they were filming like out in public
So,
we there’s some really fun pictures from all the
different scenes
I love the one of her and Tom
where she’s got that the messed up hair from the
in the makeup from the beginning of the movie
I for some reason really remember the ones
of her in the water and it’s probably because it
was like printed in People magazine or something,
right
It was like a two-page spread or
something crazy like that
And they’re so of
course she looks beautiful
So
despite rumors to the contrary, the actresses got
along really well and became lifelong friends
I
mentioned earlier I was trying to figure out when
they started calling each other Pooh
And I feel
like every time like Drew and Cameron do anything,
even publicly, they are calling each other
Poo
Like it’s so cute
Um Drew said,
“It’s like I finally know what it’s like to have
sisters
It’s like I finally get it
” A that’s
so cute
I mean, and it’s so obvious
I
was kind of laughing because I don’t know how much
you were paying attention during the the Wicked
um promotional tour, but like Cynthia Revo and
Ariana Grande got like so much [ ] for how they were constantly like holding hands and touching each other and loved each other so much And I was like the Angels kind of did that first Actually, they did And I’m sure there was like I’m sure there were people talking [ ] We were just
out
Don’t you remember the SNL Weekend Update
skit where they had like versions of the Angels
that came out and they kept touching each other’s
hair and like showing their butts and Jimmy Fallon
is like We’ll have to link to it
I I think it’s
on YouTube
Remember this
It’s so good
It’s so
good
It’s really funny
One of the rumors about
an onset issue was actually true and it was an
argument between Bill Murray and Lucy Lou over
how the first Towns end agency scene was was
going to go
Um, McGee explained that it was a
passionate conversation reminiscent of a Sunday
night dinner table
Um, and Nancy Javon said that
Bill Murray came into the production kind of late
with all kinds of ideas of how to save it
um
Lucil didn’t agree with some of those ideas and
told him rather forcefully and they argued
So
there was something
And it’s crazy like
how much that story was printed at the time
So
like it obviously leaked at the time, got printed
everywhere
There were a lot of people talking
about it and it still comes up like Lucy just
had to address it in the last few years and it’s
like there’s really not that much to tell there
like he was kind of shitty with her because she
was like a TV actress and like who who are you
And she stood up for herself and everyone walked
away and came back and it was fine
Like right
[ ] happens This probably happens all the time on every movie set But also good for Lucy I like her balls there So um one last thing about the production is at the very end Drew threw a huge rap party at her house This was the house on Cherokee that ended up burning down Um, supposedly it was the best party that anyone had ever been to And in Premiere magazine, it said a thousand people showed up at Barry Moore’s house where there were canvases and paints laid out, four bars, and a game room with air hockey The actress also set up a room where old episodes of Charlie’s Angels played continuously Can totally picture it That’s so cool I love that so much I want to go to a Drew party Hey Drewies We are here to tell you about our website hosts Positive Medium and they sponsor the podcast We’ve been clients of theirs for over 10 years and we use them for all our website needs on the Druzium Their services include customized web design, professional coding, search engine optimization and marketing, plus hosting, which has been huge for us for many years Plus, their incredible customer service has been one of our favorite features They’ve literally saved our site quite a few times, and they always help with minor troubleshooting in a matter of minutes So whether that’s coding issues or back-end questions, etc , We reach out, we get help immediately, which is just invaluable To our listeners, Positive Medium is offering 25% off any managed WordPress hosting plan using our promo code Drew That’s D R Ew Visit our friends over at positivemedium [Music] the movie, y’all Charlie’s Angels I can’t believe we just talked for like an hour and we haven’t even started the movie Well, there’s a lot there’s a lot about this production There’s a lot Now, let’s just have fun Let’s have fun And we’re going to come out wanting to What is it Make out with our girlfriends So, let’s just jump right in Uh let’s jump into the Colombia logo clouds I love that like beginning like immediately you know, oh, this is something different like you don’t normally have the logo and then you go into the clouds of it and it now you’re in an airplane Like such a great idea Um they do this really long extended what looks like a one shot It’s actually three They like point out in the um commentary where they are where the cuts are But I love one shots I’m such a sucker for them I mean they’re they’re so cool They’re just because it’s just you know so much is going on behind the scenes to make it happen and like everybody has to hit their marks, right It’s just so fun Um, and I did want to point out that the very beginning opening song is Blind by Korn and MC G had directed that music video So, that’s kind of fun Um, so then the master Chen Yan Yun, I hope I’m saying that right Um, the he has a cameo as a plane passenger and then we have Shaun Whan who was Drew’s assistant and never been kissed playing a terrorist which is great And uh there was a random nun planted in the plane That was apparently NY’s suggestion She thought a nun in first class was really fun Um okay, so basically you guys know what happens We have L Cool J on the plane and he’s got to get this bomb off the plane and then they skydive It’s like so action-packed right at the beginning Like I love it Right off the bat The actions really starts immediately They’re like jumping out of a plane and less than four minutes into the film there’s an explosion And like then there are several explosions when the like titles come up It’s kind of amazing Yeah, it’s definitely there’s a lot of fire They even used fire on the poster I remember like behind the silhouettes of the angels It was like kind of part of the whole theme So there is some uh really cute bloopers of this, but Drew um takes off the LL CoolJ mask Wait, it’s not really LL CoolJ surprise I’ll just say like I like how when they first show him in the plane, he like pushes on his neck, you know, and I was like I was like thinking about it I’m like, “Okay, it’s it’s obviously actually him ” But it’s funny that they’re like It’s a good little detail Anyway, I also had to note that the mask the mask of El Cool J was created by a famous special effects artist, um, Rob Bin And my boyfriend really wanted me to mention it because he was so impressed that they had this really famous special effects artist Oh, that’s so cool I didn’t know that at all I believe he did The Thing We did like lots of other stuff, but I believe that’s one of them Really good Like I always watch that reveal closely and it’s done extremely well Like I totally You totally buy it Yeah, totally And yeah, it’s it’s adorable Will we get to see Drew’s face for the first time in the movie And we I love her first line Let’s hear it I think you mean crazy [ ] [Laughter] She’s
like, “Surprise
I’m a cute little red head
Not
this big this big dude you thought I was
”
And I just have to say, and we’re going to
say this probably so many times, but each of
the angels, this is when we meet each angel
we get to see their kind of reveal
They all
look so stunning
Like just I know that was
like a big thing for MC G to have them look like
very golden, very lit from within, but wow
These
first three shots you’re just like, okay, so
they’re all unbelievably beautiful goddesses,
right
Like the team did exactly what they were
supposed to do
You said elevated earlier and
it’s totally elevated
Like they are dressed and
made up to look just their best
Then we get this montage, a really fun montage
at the beginning
And some of the segments were
from the first day of shooting at Huntington
Gardens
Um, including the army crawl shot,
which is like just really quick
There’s a lot
of just like flashes
Can you imagine like just
doing costumes for like just a flash so fast
So many like quick snippets of the
angels like in their lives before they joined the
agency
Um, we, as we mentioned before, there’s
Drew being like the rebel girl in the bathroom
smoking
I feel like I remember that cast that
she’s wearing being auctioned off
Does that sound
familiar to you
I’ll have to
look into it because I do also remember the the
muffin prop being auctioned
That’s funny
Yeah,
very funny
That’s really funny
Where where
are all the other costumes and props
Um,
we’ll talk about a little costume stuff later
We
know where some of them are
I love that
just in this little um montage, Drew gets to show
off that she can like cross and roll her eyes in,
you know, like in a very like, you know, she can
really has control of her eyes and it’s in the
scene with the drill instructor and I just I just
love it
I’ve always loved that for some reason
It’s really good
Just shows her like I don’t
know, the comedy in her, you know
Our little ham
Um,
another thing I wanted to note is that they
show the angels reading a newspaper that says
mystery women save Mount Rushmore
And um,
Drew had that prop framed in her Flower
Films office
At least she did in 2001,
which I think is really neat
I’m totally here for
that
I love that little tidbit
I also love
there’s this super quick like you’d probably I
mean I think nowadays it’s you’d know what it is,
but at the time you’d have to have read the books
There’s Drew, Drew’s character being like Harry
Potter, like in disguise
It’s the invisibility
cloak scene where he like puts on the cloak and
goes to the library um into like the forbidden
books or something like that
And it’s crazy
because so this is a full year before the first
Harry Potter movie even came out
But that’s wild
The shot that they do in the movie is so similar
to the one in Charlie’s Angels
It’s like kind of
weird
They just took it from Charlie’s Angels
like the angle and everything
I’m like, “Wow,
she really knew what that scene looked like in
the book
” That is really weird
Please put that
in the gallery because I think people should
see the comparison
That is so It blows my mind
that it’s before the first movie came out
Because like the only reason why I have an image
of Harry Potter in my mind at the time I wouldn’t
have known
I just remember like hearing
about it like she really liked the book and so she
thought that’d be fun to throw in there
Um, one one other thing about
this quick little 5-second montage that we’re like
still talking about
It’s great though
I just
think this is so funny
So, I was watching the
like behind the scenes footage of like the very
last part where they jump and it like goes into
the title card and um it was clearly filmed at
Universal Studios because in the background you
can see the Grinch sets which would have been
like filming at the same time because the movie
was released two weeks after Charlie’s Angels
Remember they had those sets there forever though
on the tour
You could definitely
see them
Is that what it’s called
That’s really funny
Really magic
I love stuff like that
Like just
like what’s right next door
Like what’s on the
other side of the camera that you have no idea,
right
It’s like behind the scenes why we love
it so much
So now we get the Chad,
his boat
This is Tom Green
It opens up with Drew
looking super sexy and then she gets up and her
lipstick is like smeared all over her face and
her hair is insane
It’s just perfect
It’s so
like over the top
There’s like water dripping on
her leg and it’s pans up over her hip and you can
see that she’s nude under the sheet
Like it’s
just like so funny
It’s so great and it sets
the scene
It sets the tone for that character in
a way
and the Chad’s character because uh
right off the bat he’s a little he’s a little
weird
Is it the Chad
It might be the Chad
[Applause] Starfish
And then what is he
He says it was the Chad
like a bunch of times and then jumps and then he
throws his food in the water and falls
I wouldn’t even call it jump
It’s more of a like
slow tilt, right
And and I feel like I feel like
that was improvised
I don’t know why
So,
that’s so funny that you said that
In the
commentary, MC G says that he and Tom pretty
much came up with that idea on the spot
and it got MC G in a lot of trouble
Oh,
like probably I don’t know, insurance
Who
knows like what the reasoning, right
Because
they didn’t they hadn’t planned to have him
jump in the water
Oh my goodness
Oh,
that’s so funny
It was worth it
I mean,
it’s I mean, it’s so funny
The little bit of him,
it’s just enough to get like the full Tom Green
I told you in our text yesterday, I’m like,
I should be annoyed by him, but I can’t
I’m
sitting over here just laughing so hard
He’s
so weird
He’s so weird
And somehow, yeah,
somehow he got us
Um, so my recollection is
that this was the scene that was being filmed when
our grapevine drew friend Venus like found out and
got to like basically like wait by the side of
the road and meet Drew, right
Do you kind of
remember it being this one too
Because I feel
like it was like a harbor the harbor thing
Like
that’s what I remember
It doesn’t really matter
It was definitely on the side of the movie
Let’s
just say that, right
And I’ll just tell this like
really quick story
I reached out to Venus because
I saw her pop up on my Instagram feed and I was
just like, “Hey, we’re about to mention you on
the podcast
” Um, so one of the coolest things
is that she told Drew about the message board
And I think she had Drew sign something
that had like pictures of us on there
I
think she made this like poster board and she
put like all of our names around it which was
so considerate like right so thoughtful and Drew
wrote to the grapevine all my love and beautiful
energy
I’ll never forget it
I’m not reading it
right now
I just remember it
I remember reading
reading her story and seeing that picture on the
on the message board and like sobbing because it
was just like it was so touching
I probably
thought at the time it was the closest a Drew
I’d ever get
So, Venus, I have a little
like just a little snippet she said because I just
love the way like her perspective
She
said, um, seeing an SUV stop in front of us,
the window rolled down and seeing it was actually
Drew driving
We didn’t have the internet or
socials like we do now where we see a glimpse into
our favorite celebrities lives
So, seeing this in
real life and her wearing cozy clothes and a day
of action-packed filming hair made her so adorably
a real human person
Oh, I do remember she’s
wearing like her Uggs and like sweats, of course
Yeah, it’s so cool
So, so neat
Anyway, we had to
mention that because that Well, this all just kind
of um solidifies or is a very perfect example of
how in it the team was
The team being us,
the drooies on the grapevine
And we have
like I have a horrible teenytiny printed version
of that picture of Venus and the poster board
And hopefully Venus can get us and Drew obviously
And hopefully Venus could hook us up with a better
version because I I would really like to share it
I And I want to see it again bigger
Yeah, I do
too
Like I I can picture it
So I must have
it either in my mind’s eye or saved somewhere
All right, let’s get back into the movie
So,
we get like the also the sequences of Natalie and
Alex like doing their things and in the morning
and getting the calls to come into the agency and
then that’s where we end up at the Townsen Agency
to find out about their new case
Um, I thought
this was interesting
The prop department believes
that they got the original speaker or probably
not the probably one of the original speakers
from the TV show
And it does have like a very
beat up scratch look to it
So I I buy it
Like
I don’t think there was one throughout the entire
show and this is the one
Maybe that’s why it’s
like we believe cuz maybe there were so many that
like they don’t even know which ones were actually
on the air at this point
I don’t know
But
that’s fun
Um, we immediately get to see
Drew’s very random the spiral curls that are mixed
in throughout her hair and they totally recreated
that for the Barbie doll version of her
That’s
funny
Um, and I just again her perfect red lips
in this first part
Like perfection
I think
I have a memory that this was Jillian Frink
Dempsey’s line, Deluxe Beauty, and it was the
Clovis red lipstick, but I have not been able
to confirm that
So, just putting out there, it
may have been, and I could be also totally wrong
Yeah, how do you confirm that
Ask Jillian
Yeah, right
I have been reaching out to her
hoping she’ll come on the show, but no response
yet
That would be cool
That’d be way cool
Um, I noticed that uh Natalie is reading a
book that says it’s called Music of the Birds,
which I think is kind of fun because it’s like
laying the groundwork for later on where she
can understand bird calls supposedly
Yeah, we’ll
talk about that
More on that
More on that
Um,
I love that tidbit
I did not notice that
Yeah,
I was watching a very high quality version of
this movie where I could see things that maybe I
normally hadn’t
So, Alex, you know, she’s like
trying to be I guess in the book, aka probably
the script, she really loves Martha Stewart,
so she’s trying to be like a homemaker
That’s
why she’s always like cooking and stuff for
her boyfriend
Um, so she makes muffins
and apparently they’re horrible
And I always
love Drew’s delivery
She smells it and just
very like under her breath goes, “Oh my god
Like I can’t even pull the audio because it’s so
subtle, but it’s so good
And then pretty quickly
she decides she wants to throw one of these hard
apparently smelly muffins at um Natalie and she
does this little like tongue waggle that is like
so funny and silly
Um and
this is the scene that caused that Bill Murray
Lucil fight
And it’s kind of a weird like the
dialogue is a little weird in this scene
So,
I could see how there would be like discussions
about it because he’s like saying that whole
thing about the heart being a muscle
I mean,
it’s funny, but it’s also there it’s never landed
for me
I’ll be honest
That’s interesting
But none of that matters because then the
phone rings and we get the iconic moment
Good morning, angels
Good morning, Charlie
You got to have that moment
You got to have
that moment
And they it’s just a beautiful a
beautiful homage
I mean the whole thing
is the whole thing is but that and the fact that
it’s actually John Foresight is the coolest
It’s the coolest
So Charlie’s going to
tell them about their new assignment for this
uh tech billionaire guy who got kidnapped
And the tech billionaire that’s Sam Rockwell
Um I always love Drew’s like not Drew I guess
Dylan’s little smirk when she sees him
Hugans,
you can see they’re planting that she thinks he’s
cute
Like it’s like she just gives really again
subtly really well done
Um and then
their client is uh Knox, his name is Eric Knox,
his partner, and her name is Vivian Wood
And I
know like with hindsight at the end of the movie,
you know that her character is like faking this
whole thing
So, I’m I want to like hope
that Kelly Lynch was intentionally delivering
her line so phony here
Like when she’s like,
I know he’s still alive
I’m like, I’m not buying
it
And you know, right off the bat, props to
Natalie
She’s like, she did it
Like she knew
Right as she’s walking in
She calls
it at the beginning
That’s how like wise they
are
That’s how um wise is not the word I want
Uh
uh savvy
That’s the perfect word
That’s
how savvy they are
So then we just I
just have to mention this
So there’s like this
spa
Apparently it’s called Madam Wong’s House
of Blossoms
Um and the angel I like that you’re
like, “What is this
” And I’m like, “Hello,
it’s Madam Wong’s House of Blossoms
” So um
Tim Curry is there and they need to like get is it
his fingerprints at this point
I can’t remember
No, they’re getting his uh like his PDA
They they
download that and they get his car key imprint in
that cool little compact
I love that little Oh,
that’s right
I can imagine the sound
of that thing closing and it’s really satisfying
I love it, too
Why is that
That’s so weird
Anyway, so the angels are dawn in full Asian
appropriation
Like full uh pretty bad
I always
love Drew in a dark wig
I hate that
I’ve always loved these pictures because I’m like
she’s so beautiful and then like in the year 2025
I’m like appropriate
I should have done that,
right
Um I mean I I said I always love her in a
dark wig
What I meant was I always love her with
dark hair
It doesn’t have to be a wig
It doesn’t
have to be a wig
And then this movie is like boom
boom boom
Like the picture book thing is totally
happening
The pages are flipping
the angels are
going to get some food because it was like a real
point that which is so funny like that just tells
you what where we are at in society
This was
printed everywhere
The angels are going to be
enjoying food like they’re going to really eat
like real food and it was like such a thing like
I don’t know
It’s just so funny
I don’t they
don’t even ever show them eating which is like No,
they don’t
But we get the order
May I take your
order, please
I’d like three cheeseburgers,
three French fries, and three cherry pies
What do
you guys want
[Laughter] And then I love that we
get that classic little Drew air guitar when like,
who wants to go to a party and that brings out
that goofy side of her
This
was like day two or three of filming and it was
done at Fosters Freeze in Torrance, California
And Ann and I were lucky enough to go there once
and it was pretty cool
We have pictures on the
drizz
comloations if you want to check those out
It’s not nearly as like bright and colorful and
graphic as it looks in the movie
But it makes the perfect It’s like perfect
I
don’t even know what type of car that is
Maybe
like a Challenger
It’s a Camaro
I’m
pretty sure it was mentioned a million times in
my research, so I feel pretty good about that
And is that what they went to
The pre No, I’m
thinking of Full Throttle
the full throttle
Full
throttle premier
So,
Corwin’s party
This is Tim Curry’s character
So,
at this point, they think they’re like basically
investigating him
We should probably also mention
the appropriation that his character does
He has
like a whole Japanese fetish
Like his house is
like shipped over from Japan
Like everything
is themed to Japan
It’s It’s a strange little
like character trait
I mean, I guess
people get obsessed with cultures that are not
their own
I don’t know
I’ve always loved
how glam Drew is in this scene
She looks so hot
like immediately walking out of the elevator
So
beautiful
And like this is what another thing of
just like where we were at in society
Her waist
is so itty bitty teeny tiny in this scene
And
somehow the media was constantly telling us that
she was like a bigger actress back then
Like
she’s tiny
She’s beautiful
at any size
But anyway, um I always loved when
Bosley like taps a waitress on the shoulder, ends
up being Natalie and he’s like, “Oh
” And she like
she so cute how she’s like she like holds like a
little like straight face when she looks at Tim
Curry’s character
It’s so cute
This there’s so
much charisma
I love Cameron Diaz in this movie
I don’t think we said it enough
She her
smile just she’s amazing at this
She’s adorable
She’s so cute
Yeah, she’s completely lovable
And
then Lucy is such a like great dead pan hilarious
actress in this
I fully remember me and my
friends being in the audience like screaming
with laughter at the parts with Lucy where like
the random guy is coming up to her and she’s just
like, “No, no
” And then of course the flip your
goddamn hair
Like we were dying laughing
She’s
so good
Um, all right
So then
there’s a really cute exchange between the angels
when they’re encouraging Natalie to talk to Luke
Wilson’s character, Pete
It’s so cute and funny
I remember thinking at that time, weird
to have Drew encouraging someone, like I think you
said earlier, someone to flirt with her ex
It’s so cute
It’s just perfect
like you know
wingman type stuff
It’s really good
Um there is a deleted scene
So like originally
when Corwin is like challenging Bosley it like
oh can you you know oh you ate this blowfish now
let’s see if you can do this
They went into like
this Marco Polo game in Corwin’s Grotto with like
a bunch of girls and it’s like and then when he
lost that he challenged him to the sumo wrestling
I’m glad they cut it
It’s like unnecessary and
again very silly
All right, then we get into
the first like fight scene of the movie
They spot
the thin man and it’s got this amazing soundtrack
under it, guys
It’s perfect
Smack my [ ] up by the prodigy I love this moment It’s so great Like this is like I literally get like goosebumps I’m like, “This is when [ ] gets
real
” And like all that training they did, we get
to see it pay off and they look so incredible and
it’s just like the music really adds to it
Like
I think that’s one of MC G’s like specialties
I would say and probably Drew as well cuz we
know she’s really good at putting music into
her productions
It just like brings up the scene
so much
Speaking of elevating, yeah, that
raw footage that you can see on the DVD of this
scene where like all the wires are still there,
the music isn’t there, and like it changes the
tone incredibly
It’s It’s really awkward without
the Yeah, it’s so awkward
Um, one other thing I
want to mention about this scene, because you know
how I am about like false information
It’s like
the number one thing to get me heated and mad
Ever since like day one of this movie, there has
been this prevailing movie mistake internet rumor
that Drew accidentally says loose, like Lucy
And
it’s so clearly Lucy saying brace when they’re
like putting their hands together so that Natalie
can jump
That’s like I found it again
Like I searched came right up
I’m like wrong
So, just, you know, officially setting the record
straight on that one
But this this fight
scene is just it’s so good
It’s really good
Um,
it would be really funny to see footage of Crisp
and Glover studying with the master
Yeah, because
like he does a lot in this movie
Like the end
scene again, he’s fighting with Lucy
He’s like
bringing it and I’m like, what was that like that
training session
Like he’s so intense
He must
have like done it separately
He’s a quirky guy,
right
I mean, yeah, that’s why I can’t imagine
him like doing the training
It’s so funny, right
Um Nick G said that he tried to get the angels to
amped up to be as macho as possible and you know
like the whole running and everything
He’s just
like, “Yeah, yeah, you can imagine
” Yeah, I can
totally imagine it
Um I think actually in that
footage you hear him say like at the beginning,
right
Doesn’t he say I believe it like Drew I
don’t I don’t remember
Um I forgot
that this is how they end up getting led to
um Knox and Ralo’s character being tied up
Like
I didn’t remember that chain of events
Even when they reveal that it’s like
Knox and Dylan’s like Knox
Even there she’s
kind of like hi
Um, and I will
say, so the next scene they’re like with Knox and
Vivian at the agency and they’re like planning
the next steps and I remember the first time I
saw it being like, wait a minute, does she like
think this dork is cute
What is going on here
Like I did not get the appeal, which is so funny
cuz I think he’s so like now I’m like, hell yeah,
Sam Rockwell
But at the time it wasn’t doing it
for me
I don’t No, it’s about his his like vibe
like getting it like seeing him act in multiple
things and then seeing like him interviewed and
seeing how freaking cool he is
He is one of those
like personality makes him even more attractive,
guys
So, now we’re at the racetrack and this
was filmed at the California Speedway in Fontana,
which is my hometown
And I was living there
at the time
Um I have a newspaper clipping about
this
Um, and it has a picture of the car flipping
through the intersection
So, it’s not actually
from the speedway itself, but right outside of
it
Wasn’t it on Cherry
Why do I remember
that
Is that the name of the street
I was actually just going to say that
And
it’s that’s it’s probably I’m going to guess it’s
maybe like five miles from my parents house,
maybe less
Were you just dying when you
knew that it was filmed there
Do you remember
I
remember being like, why didn’t I know yesterday
you know, like that she was there
Yeah, that would have killed me
Um, they ended up
making this like a trial race in the movie with
no spectators in the stands for like studio and
budgetary reasons
Originally, they were going
to make it like a major race with the stands
just totally full and then the studio was like,
“Yeah, that’s not happening
” And they’re like,
“Okay, I guess cuz they’d probably have to it
actually had to be like filled with extras
Like,
what would they do
” Like, yeah, that’s that was
the plan
That is wild
Um, I thought this
was interesting
I do not remember this tidbit
and it actually came up twice in my research
Oh,
so Drew is wearing this platinum blonde wig and
she, you know, Alex is like, “Do your thing
“
And she gets into Corwin’s car with his driver to
try to like distract him
Um, and apparently she
was going for Seikka Energy
And Seikka was
a 70s8s adult film actress
And I couldn’t
find that much about her or like even that many
photos of her where I was like, “Yeah, I see it
“
But I I dropped this one in here
But I was like,
that is so random
Like what a what a vague little
pull
But I guess that was just her vibe
That was
probably in her mood board
And in this picture,
because of the platinum blonde, you see it
immediately
And I don’t know anything about
her actual vibe, though
You know, like um MC G
says in the commentary that she was wasn’t exactly
known for her Shakespearean qualities, whatever
that means
I think that probably means
she came across as like kind of ditzy and airy,
you know, sort of like Drew’s being in the scene,
right
Did you say who the driver is
So, the driver in this scene in Corwin’s
uh car is Andrew Wilson, Luke’s brother
Um, and
this is the second of Five Flower Films roles
that he did
So, he’s in Never Been Kissed
He’s
the like security guard
Is that what he is
Um,
what is he in
Full Throttle
He’s like a cop at
the like the CSI kind of crime scene scene
Oh,
yes, of course
Um and then he’s in um I’m also
blinking on Fever Pitch right now
He’s the
like d the other guy
Oh, see why am I so Because
it doesn’t feel like him in that movie
You know
what
He feels really different in all of these
cuz the last one you list here is Whip It and
he’s the he’s the coach
His best one and that’s
so great
Yeah, I love him in Whip It and he gets
he gets the most the most in that one
Everything
else he’s just kind of like little things and then
he got like a full role
Yeah, they definitely
at some point called him like Flower Film’s lucky
charm
It’s just so cute
A It’s so cute
Um the
director of photography, Russell Carpenter, said
that he didn’t usually operate his own camera,
but in this scene, he felt compelled to get the
close-ups of Drew in the car
He doesn’t
like laugh about it or anything, but I’m like,
well, this clearly cuz she’s looking so hot
Um, this is interesting
though
So, the shots of Drew, like there’s one
angle focusing more on Drew and then another
angle focusing more on Andrew
They were shot
on different days in different locations because
they ran out of time at the raceway
And MC G
is like telling Russell like he’s so impressed
with how well he matched it because you can’t
tell
Like I was looking really closely and you
cannot tell
And it’s so believable
Drew’s
character, Dylan, is supposed to be distracting
him with her like absolute hotness
She looks
amazing
It’s totally believable
I love cars
Do you like fast cars
I like fast everything
She licks the steering wheel
His
little Oh my god
I think it was also fun to
see her be like overtly sexy
Like, you know,
she’s like im immediately like it’s hot in
here
And like speaking of plunging necklines
How are her boobs staying up like that
They’re amazing, right
And the the neckline
goes like to her like belly basically
Um,
and then apparently the shots, so Natalie sees the
Finn man in a race car
She drives after him and
the shots of Drew and Lucy that are like talking
to her, um, were also shot in the studio parking
lot because they ran out of time
Yeah, it’s just
so funny to know those little things
Um,
and then I love that you noted this
So, they’re
in my hometown Fontana and then within like
seconds they’re at the a bridge in Long Beach
Movie magic
That probably takes I don’t
know an hour, 45 minutes on a great day
So,
we get this quick little scene where they’re
planning on how they’re going to infiltrate
Red Star
They’ve decided that Corwin’s Red
Star is like behind the kidnapping and they’re
going to find out about how the security works
there
It’s just really fun
Um, and I noticed
that Drew is wearing the outfit that she ended
up wearing to the Blockbuster Awards in 2000
We had already known that she had to go
straight from the set of the film in a helicopter
to make it on time
And I like remember knowing
that that outfit was in the movie and then I
thought it was a different scene and I was like,
“Oh, I’m wrong that it’s not in the movie
” And
then when I watched and saw it here, I was like,
“Ah, I was right
It is in the movie
” That’s so
funny
I’m I’m guessing she probably just like
went in her makeup and everything
The Yeah,
they changed her hair
But it’s so fun
Oh,
then they probably changed her makeup, too
Um,
of course we get more cultural appropriation
Oh, this one’s even worse
Yeah, it’s part of
the plan to um to get into Red Star and they’re
belly dancers in this one
Um, but again,
it’s fun to see Drew in a disguise
Yeah, but not
so fun to see the brown face makeup, right
Oh,
that was so unnecessary
The year
2000
And that was the fingerprints, I think
Um, I love the scene following that where
she’s in the lab
She looks so pretty
Like I’ve always loved how she looks there
And
the lighting is like blue or green or something
It’s really It’s really cool
It’s very sciency
There’s like like beakers and bubbling stuff
I’m like, “Okay, sure
” Speaking of disguises,
we get the Swiss girls outfits
It’s all like
again like really fast
Boom boom boom boom boom
boom
[Music] My stinking box is sexy
[Music]
I’d love to know what she’s saying there
The music is giving me matter horn,
by the way
I like did never have noticed
until just now
And the singing
is so not their voices
Not even close
But I love it
I love those outfits so much
I love the pictures of them on the set in
those move in those outfits
Um, all right
So,
now they are uh an infiltrating red star
So,
they’ve gotten the things they need
and we’re going in
Insert barracuda
[Music]
Okay
Um, and this is so this is so great
because one of the disguises is Drew dressed as
a man and Cameron is as well
We love this
It cracks us up so much
I’m laughing already
just like little man Drew
Like why is it
she doesn’t even look like herself
It’s
crazy how like like Cameron still looks like
Cameron
Drew does not look like herself
Um,
I found this weird little snippet that said
supposedly this day after filming, she stayed
in the boy drag to like surprise Tom for dinner at
Muso and Frank, but Tom came dressed as a nun
So,
like, where are the photos of this
I’m having
a hard time believing this happened
I believe that she went, but that he was dressed
as a nun at the same time
I don’t know
I mean,
he is kooky
Those wacky two in that relationship
always up in the stakes, right
So,
there is a small appearance by Melissa McCarthy
really early in her filmography, which is cool
Um, and she also has a cameo in the sequel
So,
yeah, the same scene as um Andrew Wilson
Yeah, it’s just fun
Again, it’s one of
those like flower films or maybe we I give this
to Justine and Kim where it’s just like somebody
so early before their stardom like in one of their
movies
It happens a lot
It’s really cool, right
Um Lucy, again, this was another scene where she
was just killing me and my friends
She’s so good
in this scene
My favorite line is, “Who else has
an idea like this man’s Coke machine
” And then
they all raise their hands
It is really funny
the crowd like going behind her as they distract
the entire office while they’re while the other
angels are breaking in
There’s apparently
a deleted scene of Dylan, Natalie, and Corwin in
the bathroom
And the set was designed to look
exactly like the bathroom in The Shining
Like,
that is rad
It looks exactly like it
Like, it really does
That’s cool
It also makes
me sad they like went to all that trouble
and then it didn’t make it into the movie
Yeah, I know
Hey, at least they apparently took a
snippet of it and used it for the opening montage
of Full Throttle
That’s funny
Yeah, that’s
what I remember
Anyway, I hope that’s right
I’m
pretty sure it is
Um, I loved having more footage
of little Drew, even though this scene like it’s
not good
Um, she does this little like adorable,
hilarious dance in the deleted scene that I think
is very similar to the one that’s at the end
end the blooper end
Yeah, she’s just like loving
being this little man
There was
actually also a part in the footage like behind
the scenes where probably MC G says something
like ladies and she’s like excuse me and they’re
like she he’s like sorry men or whatever
Her and
Cameron just totally hamming it up
It’s so good
That’s funny
All right, so the next scene that
comes up Dylan goes to Knox’s
And I think this
was originally going to come earlier in the movie
before they made some changes
It was going to
happen before the racetrack scene, but she’s there
to like, you know, set up security at his house
Um, I love that they use Spandal Ballet’s True
because I immediately think of the wedding singer
and me too
Robbie and Julie
Apparently,
it’s in duplex as well
I don’t remember that,
but I found that in my research
I’m like, is this
just a mo a song that Drew loves or what
Um,
I just made a note again like she looks beautiful
and like do I need to keep saying this
Like I
know probably not
She does though
It’s hard
not to make notes about it, right
Drew and
Sam’s first Scrabble fun is in this scene
And two
years later in Confessions of a Dangerous Mind,
there’s a Scrabble scene
Why is it make me
They’re so cute together
And Nick G said it to us
because we had just watched the movie together in
the theater
And I forget even how he said it
I
think he said like, “Oh, it was so fun to see Drew
and Sam play on screen playing Scrabble again
” Or
I I feel like it had to have been intentional
Like that can’t be a coincidence, right
Like
I don’t know
I don’t know
Maybe George
Clooney was like, “What game should you guys be
playing
” And they were like, “Oh, let’s do
Scrabble Off
” Because we had a whole thing
about them in Charlie’s Angels
I don’t know
I
like to think that
It’s It’s really cute
And I think you started to say they’re so cute in
that scene
Well, in both like I just
love how Drew she she has great chemistry with
him in both those movies
Um
not so cute is the like additional footage that
they were going to have on this scene
It’s so
awkward
I can’t It’s hard for me to even watch
It’s It’s really bad
It probably didn’t have the
like right music in it
Basically, the original
idea was this was going to come earlier in the
film and Dylan was going to cut this little moment
short, like she was gonna maybe kiss with him a
little and then be like, “No, no, no
You’re a
client
I got to go
” And and she like leaves
and they ended up she ends up coming back later
at a different day, but they took that out
So,
it looks like this is like she stays the night
I like the way they cut it in the movie cuz she
just goes to I want to shake and then it’s like,
you know, it’s implied
We don’t get this awkward
like dancing and Yeah
It’s so bad
And being
thrown on the counter
But there
was a deleted scene where apparently she’s back
at Nox’s for some action
Um it’s not on the DVD,
but it’s shown in the TV trailer
It was pointed
out to us by Charlie’s Three Sexy Sleuths
So,
thank you for noticing that
It’s a friend Marcus
I love it’s like a super fast brief flash of Drew
and Sam kissing and Drew is wearing this sparkly
sweater that we’ve seen photos of her in or maybe
a photo that’s not in the movie
Um, so in the
novelization, which they base it on the script
that they explain what happens here, like she goes
back over to his house and she like is like, “Hi,
hi
” And they’re like, “And then they make out
and then she ends up like staying there
” And then
that’s when we pick up later where she’s like in
his bed
So again, easy to pull it out and not use
it, but I would love to see it one day
We know it
exists, right
So, the next few scenes are without
Drew because that deleted scene we just mentioned
of her at Nox’s would have like gone in to the
middle of all this, but it’s of the other angels
and Bosley like doing their thing, but then they
all start getting attacked
So, Natalie and Pete
are on a date at Soul Train
I love these scenes
so much
It’s so cute
Why Luke is so cute in this
scene
Like I love all his stuff with the bouncers
and he’s like trying to warm up to them and he’s
like cheering her on as she’s dancing
All right,
the robot
Yeah, I like how they make him like
a full foot shorter than them, too
These guys
have got to be standing on apple boxes
Like
there’s no way they’re that big
Um I also love
how this is what I’m talking about
Like Cameron
can go
She’s like so goofy and silly in this
scene
She like tells him, “I have to go number
one
” And then she’s like in the bathroom like,
“Oh my god, I’m having so much fun
” And then
she gets attacked and she’s like turns into such
a badass
Like I love her freaking like stiletto
boot in the guy’s freaking throat and she’s like,
“Who sent you
” It’s like just amazing
There’s
always this quick swap
She does it again
later in the movie, you know, when she’s talking
to Pete and she gets attacked from the guys that
are guarding Bosley and she like goes back
and forth
that she’s just flawless
You seem
like you’re a little preoccupied or whatever he
says
It’s so funny
All right,
so um Alex is now at Jason’s movie set
Um why
did we always love this so much
I don’t know
why
Cuz it’s just so silly
So yeah, they’re like
sitting at a table in like a courtyard and Oh,
so you think you think it’s Alex
He’s actually
filming the movie within a movie
like his date
gets killed
It’s just part of the movie
That’s
right
It’s a pretty I remember being tricked by
it the first time I saw it
And then he says this
line, “Baby, God, no
Damn you, Salazar
Damn you,
Salazar
God, damn you, Salazar has just like
become part of our vocabulary
It’s just so good
“
The director in this scene is totally like doing
a McGee and says that was the best scene in the
best movie ever
He’s even dressed like him
Like
he It’s probably his actual cowboy hat
Like they
they look the same
It’s so great
That is really
funny
Maybe it’s just him
It could be
It sounds
a little like him
It could be
Um and then
like we just see what’s going on with the other
characters
So we we found out through Natalie’s
attack that Vivien Wood is behind this attack
Um,
we didn’t even mention that Alex also gets
attacked
Like, she gets completely shot at
in Jason’s trailer, but you know, she survives,
of course, by hanging on the ceiling
And then
Viven goes to Bosley and drugs his drink and
the creepy thin man kills Corwin
So, all this
shit’s going down like boom, boom, boom, boom,
boom
And we’re not seeing Dylan because she’s
getting it on with Knox, I guess, right
So, then
we get the reveal of this villain
Um, so, um,
Dylan so cute tied up in her sheet as a dress like
toga
I think he says like toga cute or something
It’s so like it’s so perfect
I’m like there
is no way that’s a real sheet, right
And then
she see she like gives him a kiss and then sees
that there’s somebody there and it’s Vivian
She
spins around in the chair
Um, and then I love
this is so cute
Um, she sits down in front of
the Scrabble board that’s right in front of her
and spells out enemy because she kind of thinks
that they’re not in cahoots, but guess what
And what the funny part is that they didn’t think
it would read on screen, so they did this like
voice over of Drew going enemy
It is so goofy
And then he says, I know
Oh, and this like your
stomach just drops for poor Dylan cuz guess what
guys
Time to put on Got to Give It Up
And
Knox is the bad guy
And that transition,
that turn where he goes from this like dorky goof
lovable guy to this [ ] evil [ ] is so good
That’s like, this is why you need Sam Rockwell
for this part because he pulls it off
It’s like
a whole different person all of the sudden
Like
he literally like takes off his shirt and pulls
out a cigarette and you’re like, “Uh, what
Who
is this
” Like, “Oh my god, it’s so good
Props
to him
” Yeah, totally
And of course, Dylan
is really pissed cuz she’s been she’s been
um duped
Yeah, she’s been duped
and she’s,
you know, she’s a crimefighting angel that’s
supposed to kind of be, I don’t know, judge
of character
Anyways, yeah, it’s Oh, and she
carries that like pissed offness for the rest of
the movie
Like, you’re right
She’s really good
at having this like [ ] you energy after what he did to her I want to see her do a whole movie in the [ ] you energy, I guess
So, she gets shot out his window,
but she’s not shot
The window just crashes and
she like gets she’s dangling down with her toga,
then falls down completely naked onto a hill
I
like how you said the the audio of her falling and
it once you ma made a note of that, I noticed it’s
really funny
She’s like, it is funny
Um,
but she falls into the backyard of the ET house,
which is such a fun thing
It’s so fun
Like,
so unnecessary, but just to have it there as
this cute little Easter egg
I absolutely love
it
I also love that the house still had the
same owners as it did in 1982
And so,
so cool
And Drew on being at the house
again, she said, “It was like checking
into that world that I remember so well
And it it’s a little over the top,
but in the shot they have like an ET poster on
the wall and there’s Reese’s pieces and a bowl
It’s a little much, but it’s cute
Um, and we get our naked Dylan at the window
These little boys are playing video games
and she uh knocks on the window and says,
“A little help
“
She’s wearing nothing but a pool floaty
really
cute
And we get a little butterfly tattoo peek
We love a tattoo peek as you guys know
And also
I have to shout out one of the best Drew related
costumes I have ever seen was a guy dressed as
Dylan naked with the pool floaty and I will link
to that and put the photo in our gallery and I’ll
give them credit cuz so creative and amazing
It’s
so funny
And I I think niche costumes
like that are also like we are like the audience
if we get it, you know, like that’s that’s so
great
Um this part I don’t know why it always
made us laugh so much
Um the agency explodes
Bosley’s locked up
That’s not funny
But Drew
rides up on a bike looking so pissed
Like
you said, she keeps that piss thing going
clearly wearing the young boy’s clothes who just
gave her a little bit of help on his motorbike
I’m sure that little motorbike and her expression
is just so funny and the motorbike is like
Yeah, I love her postoff face there
Why do we
love Angry Drew so much
She’s just so cute
It’s
so cute
Um, Nick G said something along
the lines of like he wanted this explosion of
the agency to be so loud and huge that they
would never be allowed to film on Universal
again
Like they were gonna piss people off that
much
He’s got to have the biggest thing ever
Um, and we’re like interspersing with Bosley
locked up in this tower
And I I credit to Bill
Murray because him just kind of like doing
his thing, riffing, improvising
I’m sure
it’s all really hilarious stuff
It’s so funny
actually the way they get them connected
Yeah,
it’s really good
He’s got like his old moler
mic
Yeah, that’s right
That’s from the Corwin
party that he realizes is still in his mouth
The
angels just happen to be right around town’s an
agency at the time that he is trying to speak to
them and he calls to them
Hello angels, can you
hear me
They hear him
I always love uh just real
quick when they’re like Drew like lifts something
to like get to the speaker
She does a really good
like reacting like it’s hot like oh she does some
real good subtle stuff in this movie
She’s like
ah through that mic
Natalie hears the sound of
a bird like you said
There’s that thing earlier
She’s reading that book and she identifies it as
a pygmy nut hatch
Pygmy nuthatch
And there’s
there’s this whole article on Slate where they
uncover the make, model, and sound of the bird,
which I think is so funny to describe it like
that
Like it’s a car
It is so good
Like
the subtitle is the story behind cinema’s most
mysterious bird
Like the author is a total nerd
like us, loves these like tiny tidbits, and was
like, “Why did they use the name Pygmy Nuthatch
when the sound of the bird is wrong and the look
of the bird is wrong
” You guys, we will link to
this article
Our friend Tess was the one who told
us about it
I loved it so much and it like went
kind of viral because it is so like random
It’s
so silly and it’s so well researched
Like it was
totally up our alley
So that tells them
where where to go
She’s Natalie’s like, “They
only live in one place, Carell
” So then they’re
going there and on their way they they show the
um this famous green tunnel in LA that’s used so
much for filming
I couldn’t remember what it
was called, but it’s in so many things
Like
the first thing I think of there, it’s an Incubus
video that has it, but it’s in a bunch of stuff
It’s called The Second Street Tunnel
And
it is in so many movies and music videos
Like
I can’t even begin to list them all
Um like they
don’t even mention the Incubus one
And I know for
sure it’s in one of those
Um but yeah,
look it up
Second Street Tunnel
Just famous
filming location
They actually don’t
even mention Charlie’s Angels in here
Come on,
Wicked
What the hell
There’s just too many
I
also forgot that they get to Carmel by calling up
Chad
How could you forget
But I think
it’s so cute
Uh Drew and Tom singing together in
the boat
their little like offkey singing
This
is the first Josie Grossy moment
So like when the
angels look at her like, “Why are you singing
with this guy
” She does this like awkward
little shrug lip bite
I’m like, “Uh, Josie
Grossy just popped out
Um,
and then when the angels are about to dive into
the water, uh, they’re, you know, they’re getting
ready to go and do their thing
There’s business
that needs to happen
Here’s the dialogue
Starfish, are you going swimming
Where are
you going
Where are you going again, Starfish
Was it the Chad
No, the Chad was great
Also, why does he
call her that
Never never mentioned
We never get
an explanation, but it’s good
Do you remember
uh when Flower Beauty released that palette
that was like Charlie’s Angels inspired
of eyeshadows and one of them was called
Starfish and one of them was called the Chad
I
don’t think I noticed that
That’s Or if I did,
I totally blanked on it
Yeah,
that’d be you
And this timeline is
when tomgreen
com basically was like a blog
of their life and there were pictures of this
day on tom green
Tons of them
They’re
really cool
Like we would never have these
otherwise
I think he did like maybe it was
like daily photo or something
But like there
were a bunch from this filming
So we’ll share
a couple of those with you guys
That was so
cool
I love that we have to talk
about Sam Rockwell dancing because that’s a
thing that he insists on always doing because
he’s real cool at it
My note is hell yeah
All the angels change out of their scuba gear
basically into these completely other outfits
Where do they get them from
Out of the ether
Um and the outfit that Drew puts on um we have a
version in the Drew of
We have the stunt doubles
and it’s very uh recognizable
Like it’s really
fun to see it
They used it um when we were on
the Drew Barrymore show and we brought a bunch
of our memorabilia
They used that one
Like part
of me was like, “But Drew didn’t wear that one
Don’t put that one on the stage
” But but when
you see it, it looks so cool
And they put like
a red wig with it
It was awesome
It did look
really cool dressed up like that
It was Guys,
yes
If you don’t know about that exhibit that
we did, we have to We referenced these things
for some reason you don’t know
We’ll go back and
check a couple episodes back
Um, so Dylan drops
into Knox’s layer and it very like surprise [ __ ]
energy like he’s just like you could see he’s just
like what
But then he like, you know, snaps out
of it and he he tapes her up
And do you remember
when Sam was on the Drew Barrymore show and they
like filmed this little segment of her sitting in
a chair with the tape and the lip print
And like they didn’t give any context
So,
like if you didn’t know this movie, you’d be like,
“What the hell is this
” And why is Sam Rockwell
taping over Drew Barrymore’s mouth
Like, what is
happening here
But we loved it
Yeah, we did
Um,
so Knox is using those satellites and all this
technology that we kind of skipped right over
to determine where Charlie is because he thinks
that Charlie is the reason that his father died
in the war
We didn’t mention any of this, but
you guys know the movie
Um, and yeah, hopefully
you do
When poor Dylan’s just like taped up and
she hears like the conversation with Charlie and
she sees that Knox figured out where he is,
like she’s doing some good eye acting there,
like she just looks so sad and worried
And um the
way that Drew yells no after the tape is torn off
her mouth, it sounds exactly like the delivery
of no from Ever After when Utopia is thrown in
the fire
Like just devastated
Like like about to cry, right
Like perfect
Oh,
I love that
And then we get Dylan’s fight
with all the dudes to Blur’s song too,
which also is like perfect for a fight scene
It’s so good
But first, she has to give us a
little speech
Wait, wait, wait, wait
I I got
something to tell you
By the time this is over,
every one of you is going to be face down on the
floor, and I’m going to moonwalk out of here
You’re not listening to me
See, first you’re
going to help me out of my chair
And then I’m
going to leap frog over you before I break his
nose
And since my trusty lighter isn’t working,
I’m going to do all of this with my
hands tied behind my back
And that like flip move she
does
It’s again so satisfying to see her pull
it off because there’s footage of her just like
struggling to get it and then it’s like yes,
you did it, girl
And then she succeeds
at exactly what she said she was just going to
do
And that’s kicking your ass
And I had
to note that’s pretty much the lispiest lisp
we’ve ever heard from Drew
Right, Nick G
You couldn’t have had her say it again
Like
that’s the take you used
I feel like that was
like parodyied
I don’t know
Like I mean it’s
classic line
And also like I think I think we
like she doesn’t have like a a lisp all the time
Like it’s like sometimes it comes out
So like
when when uh when people who do um impressions
of her make it all lispy, it’s like no that’s
not right
Like it’s not always like that
Yeah,
you know how I feel about Drew impressions
Um, also this is the other Josie moment,
the little moonwalk
Moonwalk hard air quotes
I
literally saw my daughter do a moonwalk on stage
today right before we started doing this
And
she could really do it
It’s awesome
Drew is
uh doing more like a Roger Rabbit and it’s really
goofy
It’s not a moonwalk
I’m surprised I didn’t
put a note cuz I I think I put a note and
I deleted that said like not a moonwalk
She’s giving big time Josie energy
I’m
like, “What
What happened to Dylan
Okay, so we get more fights with like, you know,
uh, Viven and Natalie are going at it and the thin
man and Alex
” And then I never really thought
about this before, but like Knox just blows up the
fortress and I guess those two just get exploded
away
Never thought about that either
Do you remember MC G saying I think it was MC G
like one of the only times they ever used stunt
doubles for the angels is like that explosion
scene where they jump off the castle or fortress
or whatever
I don’t remember that
Yeah, that
was like a big part of the marketing like uh oh
that they do everything themselves and it’s so
funny like watching it you’re like uh absolutely
not
That is so not true
Like a lot of this is
stunt work
They do amazing stuff themselves,
but like they do there’s a lot that is not them
Maybe he’s like because and normally it would be
mostly stunt people in this case and I don’t know
he’s just exaggerating
They were really trying
to push that like the girls did so much training
which they did but right
So Knox is taking his
helicopter to get Charlie and of course the angels
find a way to jump on board as they always do
And
Dylan is still pissed and she climbs in there
and she just starts whailing on him
Oh my god,
wailing on him so hard
And the angels have to
like pull Dylan away
I love that
So that doesn’t
blow up in her face cuz the helicopter’s literally
about to blow up and she’s still like looking at
him like, “Oh, yeah
” I do love that scene
I love
her face there
Like looks so pissed
Oh, and that
he blows himself up, right
He blows himself up
Then they are literally washed up on the beach,
which is such a funny little thing
And they’re
like peeling themselves off the beach like really
wet
And they get to go up to Charlie’s little
beach house and they think they’re going to meet
him, but of course he’s not there
It’s just
the speaker box
I love the way they’re acting
though
It’s I know
It’s so cute
They’re
so excited
Do we look okay
Um it’s really
funny
They have like a prop of the same photo
of Knox’s dad and Charlie in the war
The same
photo that Knox has
I’m like, as if Charlie
would have this framed
Not only is it framed,
it’s framed alongside the one of the angels
I’m like, come on
But I love the one of the
angels
It is really cute
So
Charlie talks to them on the speaker and he says
uh he wants to know if the case went well and if
it’s all done
I think the client was blown away
I feel like we’re getting genuine laughter from
them over how cheesy that line is
Wink
wink wink
Speaking of winks
Oh, so we have
this finale on the beach
So, they’re just like
drinking out of coconuts on the beach
And Chris
Miller, who we mentioned earlier, our dear friend,
uh he uh has a little cameo, I guess we can
call it
He appears very briefly delivering
a drink to Dylan and she gives him this adorable
just brief wink
He looks so young
Like this is
a I think this is an onset photo that he shared
and he’s just a little baby
I love
that though
We get another tattoo
peak from Dylan
We can see her cross tattoo which
is crazy that like you go the whole movie never
seeing her legs up until this moment
And Dylan sees a man on the beach talking on a
cell phone at the same time they’re talking to
Charlie
Cell phone in the year 2000
It must
be Charlie
It’s really cute though
I really
love that moment when she’s like, “Oh my god, I
think that’s him
” And it’s okay
I don’t need
to like bother him
I’m just happy to be here and
we’re good
And how do you not just have a huge
smile on your face at the end of this movie
Like
they all run into the ocean, the music’s happy,
like everything’s great
What a what a fun
ride
It’s so cute
And then it’s not even over,
right
Because the end credits are packed with
all kinds of fun, too
I think this is a like
some of the best end credits of any movie ever
I know I’m biased, but like they’re so enjoyable
It’s so cute
So, this part of the movie is where
the angels are dressed as a rock band, and we have
this costume in the Drew that Drew is wearing in
this, and it was featured on Collector’s Call
So, if you don’t know what the heck we’re
talking about, go to our last episode
Go to our last episode
Go to our
website
I also noticed there’s a flash
of this at the beginning of the movie
I think in
the montage I don’t think I realized it before
As we talked about on collector’s
call, we like have to imagine it was Drew’s like
idea or input to have her wearing a Duran Duran
t-shirt because we know she loved them growing
up
It’s a fun little touch
In the
credits, the first part of the credits at least,
it’s Blink 182’s all the small things, which feels
that feels exactly that time
It’s perfect
It’s
perfect
And it’s funa like you’re just having a
good time
I think the angels are supposed to be
like playing along with that
I think so, too
And like I said,
this this part especially looks so much like
a Nick G music video
It’s just hilarious
Um,
totally
I love that you put a screenshot in
here of like the round pedestal
Um,
and there’s just all these cute little like just
behind the scenes snippets
There’s some bloopers
Um, and there’s just some like cuteness as they’re
on the set of the movie
It’s just it’s cut really
well
It’s so fun
Yeah, it’s so cute
A couple
little things in here
I mentioned the uh dance
jig earlier that the little man Drew does
Um,
and then there’s also a little like he he like
uh I can’t do it
Yeah, her piggies
makes piggy sounds
Although I do have
to say it’s always bothered me that they’re like
Cameron Diaz and they like show these clips and
then she gets like a really fun blooper where
she falls and like Alex like you know Lucy Lou
and she does the blooper where the arrow hits her
back in the face and then Drews isn’t real because
it’s from that extended version of her and Nox’s
date where she intentionally pl is planned for her
to roll off the counter and they use that and I’m
always like nah come on but they do at least show
like the taking off the mask card and some other
silly moments with her
So, that’s fine
And that’s the movie
Let’s go make out with
our girlfriends
Let’s do it
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[Music] Okay
So, let’s talk about kind of the
buildup to the release of the movie because there
was a lot of anticipation with this one as we
mentioned
Um, the very first thing that sort
of happened was All Three Angels and Bill Murray
debuted the teaser trailer at Show West in March
2000
So, there’s cute, you know, they they’re
walking on stage and it was like kind of their big
debut
Do you remember this teaser trailer
It’s
funny
I I watched it just now to remind myself
And I I had remembered the beginning part,
which I guess I’ll describe this part
So it has
like a it almost looks like a James Bond style guy
in a suit walking through like a hallway
So he’s
like completely in silhouette and then within like
10 seconds there’s this voice over that’s like I
forget what it’s saying
Like dramatic voiceover
It’s like when the world’s biggest people need
help, they call one man because he’s the only
one that can reach them or something like that,
right
Well, the guy like splits into three women
basically
Like his silhouette turns into three
angels, the angel silhouettes doing their martial
arts moves
It’s actually really exciting
It is
exciting
I didn’t remember that the first teaser
trailers where they used those like I don’t even
know how to describe them
those like silly like
car almost like introductions of the angels but
they’re I don’t know how do you describe that
I didn’t remember that part
It’s kind of like
just introducing them and they each have their
little like look to camera moment with like this
again like foil behind that
You know what I’m
talking about
It is like foily
And
it does the whole and Bill Murray is Bosley
And
I remember watching this must have been through
like shitty internet
I remember watching it in
the library at college like when I worked there
The same like room where I remember like seeing
the first picture of you
It’s kind of funny
Oh,
that’s funny
They all kind of merge together
So, I remembered some of it but not all of it
So,
it was kind of fun to like revisit it
We’ll definitely link to this on the episode
page for you guys if you don’t remember it
And then the promotion continued
Um,
so just a few weeks after Show West, they
presented at the Oscars
So, the angels came
up and presented together
I remember that
I
remember like it being exciting and we talked
about Drew’s dress that she wore to this event
earlier which was made by the costume designer,
right
Joseph Alissi
So, more
promotion happened
Um, then they had many
premieres
So, red carpet premieres occurred in
New York, Los Angeles, Tokyo, Paris, London, and
Berlin
And also in promotion
for the movie, they did tons, dozens of magazine
photo shoots and TV appearances to promote the
film
Um, if you want to hear more about those,
like kind of like dayby day, you can check out our
year and review episode for the year 2000, which
was episode 19
So you can hear us talk about all
the outfits they wore to those events
And yeah,
it’s interesting
Like I threw a couple of their
shared covers and photo shoots in the episode
gallery for this one obviously
Um but yeah,
there’s even a lot of like solo things that Drew
did and it’s just it was a great time guys let
me tell you
Were there premiier magazine issues
like back toback or like two months apart
So the Angels appeared together on September and
again that was sort of like the debut like that
was like the first time
Um, and then two months
later for November, it was Solo Drew cover
Like
crazy
That was so cool
We were really getting
spoiled back then
Yeah, we were
But we’ve we’ve
you probably have heard us talk about like how
overwhelming the amount of paper there is from the
year 2000 and we love it, but it’s also like we’ve
got a hundred like different versions of like the
poster and like the same things over and over
Um,
in addition to all the like paper magazine
stuff, there was also a ton of merchandise sold
for this movie
The most like memorable being the
Jack’s Pacific dolls that were like Barbieesque,
except they were a little more like action figury,
I guess, poseable
Um, I totally remember I think
it was Entertainment Tonight or Access Hollywood
like doing a segment on this and showing like
the technology that they use to supposedly scan
the angel’s faces
like they didn’t show them,
but they showed somebody else doing it
Um, and
it’s interesting like they look like them from
certain angles and then other angles it’s like
woo what happened there
Like I
feel like the Drew character, the Dylan doll sort
of looks like Drew headon, especially in profile
I think the profile is pretty good
And then she’s
got the butterfly tattoo, which is such a cute I
always really appreciated that they bothered
with that, you know
And they
also did two different versions of these dolls
So
like there were two different outfits
Signature
looks
That’s what they called them
I think we
both have both of them
Yeah, of course
Yeah,
of course we do
But if you want to check out all
of our Charlie’s Angels memorabilia in the Drew,
you would just go to the Drew
comca for Charlie’s
Angels and you’ll see what we’re talking about
It’s like so many ads, so many pieces of random
memorabilia, like really fun random little things
they did
There’s like a version of Dylan’s car
and just all kinds of stuff like that
And then
of course there was also a soundtrack that was
very popular
Um the hugest hit being Destiny’s
Child song Independent Women, which starts out
with the classic [Music] and destiny angels
I love with my girl Drew
It’s like, yeah, me
too
And that song plays in the drive-thru scene
of the movie and then also when the like final
end end credits are rolling
So, super fun
Um,
the movie debuted in the US on November 3rd, 2000
We mentioned this at the top of the episode
Big
big anniversary
big or 20 25 years ago, the
year 2000
Um, the movie opened at number one,
which is really cool for Drew
Like, we know
that she was nervous about this
And
it grossed more than 264 million worldwide, which
I think every time we talk about these, I’m like,
I have no like gauge
Like, I don’t pay enough
attention to know, but that’s a lot of money
I don’t either
Yeah, it’s a lot of money
And I
remember I did look like so then it was number one
for several weeks and then so I was like it had
to be like one of the top grossing films of the
year but that was a big year for movies
So it was
like number 18 for the whole year which is crazy
because it did really well
It was just people
were going to the movies that year
Um and
the DVD is packed with special features and Easter
eggs like tons of stuff
It’s been so long since
I’ve like gone through
Um, thankfully a lot of
it is on YouTube
You found out at this point
Um,
there’s a lot of behind the scenes footage from
this movie
Like there’s back when DVDs like this
is like sort of I think almost the peak of when it
was like let’s just put as much on there as we can
like like why not
Like there was so much cool
stuff that we were able to see
And of course,
as we mentioned, MC G does a director’s
commentary along with the um cinematographer
Russell Carpenter
And it’s like no one does that
stuff anymore
It feels like I don’t get it
Yeah,
that’s true
I I remember like when I wanted to
buy something on DVD, I would like if it didn’t
have special features, I’m like lame
And
now it’s just like that’s the standard
I think
I haven’t bought a DVD in a while, but Yeah
I
haven’t bought a DVD or Blu-ray in a while
Or
if I have, I like probably haven’t played it
I bought it like for the collection, right
You
know what’s so funny is that before I even had
an actual DVD player, my sister’s boyfriend had
a PlayStation which played DVDs
So, the very
first DVDs I bought simultaneously together,
I think from Amazon, were this and Fight Club
And it was like so exciting to me to get to like
watch those
And I mean, this DVD, if you guys
don’t have it, it’s just such it’s so fun
And
there’s so much like there’s literal Easter eggs
where you have to like move the cursor to like
a certain place to find it
Oh, it’s so
fun
That’s cool
I feel like I need to like put
it in at some point soon and and like play with it
again
Or just DVDs in general
Like I don’t
remember the last time I like put a physical media
like into it
I do it pretty much every time we’re
doing a movie episode
That’s kind of the only
way
Usually cuz you’re playing your actual Yeah,
usually
I guess doppelganger
I was like, “Cool,
it’s free on Amazon Prime
I’ll just watch it at
work
That one’s not an event the
way watching Charlie’s Angels is
So, of course, with the great success,
a sequel was like inevitable
So, the second
film went into production in 2002, ended up being
titled Charlie’s Angel’s Full Throttle, and it was
released in summer 2003
But we are going to save
all our talk about that one for its own episode
Like there’s no I don’t know how anybody could
combine these two movies
It’s just way too much
Unless you went into a lot less detail than we
do
Well, I have a feeling this is probably
the most exhaustive like podcast that’s ever been
done about this movie
Um, Flower Films
also produced a short-lived TV series that was out
in 2011
I never watched it
I feel kind of bad
There are actually a few
things that they’ve that they’ve released that I
haven’t watched
So, Flower Films has done like
they did like a couple horror things that I did
I haven’t They did a couple horror a couple like
reality things that like just it it was just hard
to keep up with for a while
Then there was a
reboot movie in 2019 that was written and directed
by Elizabeth Banks
I also did not see that
But you noted here that the racetrack and the
Swiss Miss costumes have small appearances which
so interesting
So they like use those
I think
they’re like showing the angel’s vault
I don’t
know what it is
The archive and they briefly
pan by those too, which was a cute little nod
I think that’s a nice way to do it
That’s cool
It’s probably fun
I mean, this is such a fun like
the core of Charlie’s Angels is so fun
And
then here we are like rumors of a third movie with
our three angels have continued to swirl and there
have been moments where it’s really seemed like in
the past year that something was going to happen
Even Drew herself almost said without saying to
us, right
But nothing no news
It’s like what’s
no official news
No official news
But every
time like Drew has publicly talked about it or
like either of like Lucil or Cameron Diaz, I feel
like they’re just like, “Yeah, I would do it
“
Like absolutely
I don’t think either of them has
had any hesitation in the public eye about it
So,
you know, we have hopes and I feel like it will
happen
Maybe it’s happening now
And that’s where we’re at
Did
we do it
Did we actually talk about Charlie’s
Angels
I can’t believe it
saying we’ve been avoiding like the plague,
but avoiding, but I’m like so excited to have done
it
Like every step of this I was like, “Woo
I
love Charlie’s Angels
” I for I forget I will say
this kind of what you were alluding to earlier,
like it was a little overwhelming and it still can
be like when we’re going through our collections,
it’s like uh all the Charlie’s Angel stuff
Like
you almost want to flip past it in a weird way
But watching this movie is always so much fun
Like I am always beaming
I am always like so
pumped and so excited and laughing and happy
Like everything Drew wanted people to feel
I
feel Yeah, me too
Totally get the like flipping
past the like all the paper stuff that came out,
especially when it was like the same pictures
printed over and over and over again
But yeah,
there is like something about like the movie has
this sort of like maybe somewhat overstimulating
thing about it and so does like all of the
promotional stuff that happened but in a way
that we’re like we accepted it and we love it
Um
we love our stuff from 2000 even though it takes
up entire binders, right
I accidentally
picked up the following year’s binders and I was
like why is this so light
Like there’s no way my
2000 binder is this light and then I was like oh
wrong one
That makes a lot more sense
Um, if
you guys do want to hear more Charlie’s Angels
talk from us, that is available to you
Um, back
in July 2024, we guested it on our friends movies
that made us gay when they covered it on
their episode 243
That was a blast
And
I’m sure there’s like aspects we talked about
there that we didn’t even get to hear probably,
which is really cool
So, if you
just can’t get enough of us or the angels,
but thanks you guys for being here with us
We hope this was as fun for you as it was for
us
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How Do You Drew Episode 116 – Our Appearance on Collector’s Call
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Hello and welcome to How Do You Drew
This is a Drew Barrymore podcast brought
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I’m Anne
And I’m Ashley
I got some morning
scratchy voice today
Sorry about that
We don’t normally record this early
No, we don’t
But you know
what
We had to fit it in, guys, because
we’ve got things to do
We’re trying to
be consistent
You traveled for what
17 hours
yesterday
Very cool
A very cool, chill travel
just within the states
You know, guys,
you know how
But you’re settled
You’re back in
Maine
I live in a rural place, so it
takes a while
I’m
ready for us to get into uh the top of
this episode
Um what do we got
We got
a lot of random stuff to talk about
Yeah, some fun and random
So, um
we definitely want to put this out here
and we could have put this at the end of
the episode, but um it’s this kind of
dovetales along with today’s topic,
which was our appearance on the TV show
Collector’s Call
Um our episode’s
appraiser Scott um he has a podcast of
his own and it’s called the Patrick
Scott Patterson Project and he had us on
as guest a couple months ago, right
That’s when we did it
It was a little while ago
He’s
he’s good about uh recording ahead of
time
something that we are not I’m not
on board with on our end over here
He’s like, Okay, this is scheduled to
come out on this date, you know, like
five months from now
We’re like,
Damn, must be nice to be so on top of
it
We’re releasing this episode in two
days
You know, you know how it goes
That’s
just the way we got to do it
Um,
there’s a video version available of
this podcast
I think he releases his
podcast like all over the place, but on
YouTube there’s a video version so you
can
look at our dorky faces as we talk about
our love for Drew
Yeah, it’s actually
really cute
I couldn’t like bring
myself to watch the entire thing, but I
watched portions and I was like, Oh,
yeah
Like cuz I’d forgotten
We get
into like um early internet nostalgia
Like I really liked that
conversation and it’s really fun to just
go back and listen to that
So check it
out, guys
We’ll link to it on the show
episode page
And thank you, Scott, for having us on
Yeah, for sure
And we we have Scott to thank for a lot
of stuff here
Yeah, we’ll be talking about him again
at least at least partially
Um, all
right
So, let’s get in a couple other
fun things
Um, uh, we have to note the
Jesse Bafukco interview from the Drew
Barrymore Show
So, if you don’t know
who that is, um, Joey Bafukco,
um, famously is the lover of Amy
Fischer
I don’t really need to go into
anymore if you don’t I don’t know
Do we
need to say anymore
If you don’t know,
uh, Drew was in a a movie called the Amy
Fischer story that was based on a true
story
They get into that and how the
public sort of life surrounding this
whole drama affected Jesse Bodafuko
It
was great
It was great
It was a It was
like for me highlight of the season so
far as far as like really meaningful
interviews
She was so awesome
Like
total badass
But it was so funny cuz I watched it
first and I texted you and I was like I
don’t know
She like really sees Drew
like she understands Drew’s history and
trauma like in a way that we do, but I
don’t feel like most people do
So, I
texted you that
Which agree
Would you agree you
you got that feeling
Yeah, totally
So, I had like reposted on our Jerusalem
Instagram like a link or just like,
Guys, check this episode out
It was
really good
And I tagged Jesse
She
responded
and she said, Thank you so much
I
actually used your website in my
preparation for the interview to learn
more about Drew
So I was like, no wonder she sees Drew
the way we do
She freaking used our
research
That’s so great
But it also allowed
like those parallels to be made
I mean
like to the fact that we had anything to
do with the preparation
That’s so cool
Dude, it made me feel really proud and
really like we’re doing something useful
and you know it was cool
made me feel
great
Yeah, it was that’s just a fun little
bonus, you know, the fact that like Drew
is doing this and gets to host a show
and talk to people who were impacted by
her career in such a unique
way
Not that I don’t know, you know,
it’s it’s fascinating
Definitely
both of them talking about like weird
fame and infamy
sort of impacting their lives
Anyway,
loved it
Okay, so also um I think we
kind of been tracking this a little bit
Maybe you told me about it a while ago
Um there’s a new biography about
Drew’s aunt, Diana Barrymore
She’s
halfsisters with Drew’s dad and um it’s
written by Jennifer Anne Redmond and
she’s been yeah sort of promoting it as
it’s like gotten closer and closer to
coming out
Um I think it was the Dana
Plato fan Instagram
Um the guy who runs
that is really cool and he messages us a
lot and I think he was the one that gave
me the heads up on this
But um
yeah, I read like just a little bit in
the Amazon sample
You know how you can
like search a term and it’ll sometimes
show you some
There was some very
interesting and upsetting stuff about
Drew’s dad in there
I’m very curious to
see more about this book, read it, but I
did listen to the author on a podcast
called Forgotten Hollywood
And man,
there were definitely some really like
strong parallels that I was able to draw
from Diana’s life and Drew’s life
Like
I think it would be a very like rich
thing for us to read and like just kind
of learn more about that whole Barrymore
curse as they they even called it
apparently back in the day
Even the
Barry Moores themselves
called Called it the Barrymore curse
because it was like happening to so many
of them
I mean I guess if you guys don’t know
Diana had written her own book
Which I’ I don’t think I’ve read
called Too Much Too soon
Is it too much
too soon
So this book is called Too
Fast Too Short
I don’t know if we
already said that
Um, but yeah, we have
not read Diana Barry Moore’s other book,
so maybe we should do like a special
like Patreon episode about Diana or
something, you know, like
Oh, that would be cool
I don’t know
We’ll think more about
this
But anyway, Jennifer and Redmond,
very cool that like writing a book about
like one of the lesserk known Barry
Moores who also had this experience
Yeah, that was kind of her point like
let’s let’s not forget about her
Um, all right
Uh, should we talk
about some things that Drew has
proclaimed her love for recently
I love love
All right
Just a couple this week
I gota huge ass paragraph
All right
Drew loves game shows
Apollo Santo
Of course, it’s apollo santo
Of course, a singular
Also a good
spanking
We need a like
Val’s cookbooks
Valerie Bartelli
Obviously,
Drew loves collecting art
The only reason she married Will
Willman
I’m just kidding
She loves small lamps
But don’t worry, she doesn’t
discriminate
She also loves lamps of
all sizes
Of course
She loves a cafe curtain, which I didn’t
know what that was until I looked it up
Do you know what
It’s just like a
little tiny curtain at the top of a
at the bottom
Oh,
yeah
Kind of weird
Um, she loves when people weigh in
She loves wine and dishes
Her bestie Rossy Ross Matthews
She loves a pro tip
Enchiladas
Well, yeah
She loves when things she
makes work, which is funny because I
think it was like a beautiful appliance
And I do always get nervous when they
use them on the show
I’m always like,
Oh, what if like the blender didn’t
work or something
What would they have to do
After she’s like, I made this
She loves chili kilos
A weekend project
This is one we’re doing right now
She loves a gorilla glue
Uh oh, I probably should have put the
pronunciation of this one on there
Um,
aguanchali I believe is what how you
pronounce it
And it’s an Italian cured
meat
Keep it on the meat train
She also
loves a Swedish meatball
A juicy ball
And finally, Drew loves dishes that
balance sweet and savory really well
Which I feel like she says a lot, but
this was a new a new format of that same
idea
I love I love a long list of
things Drew loves cuz she’s just always
saying how much she loves things
And
it’s funny because I had texted you
I
was like, Oh, I feel like we’re making
her self-conscious because whatever
episode I was watching, she kept saying
I like instead of I love
So, I’d be
like, Oh, no
Can’t include it
But
there were plenty
Alas,
alas, there was no shortage at the end
of this
Um, speaking of our friend
Scott at the beginning, our mailbag has
got some Scott in it
So, let’s go in
our mailbag
You’ve got mail
I think this was just like a, you
know, messaging back and forth on
Instagram message, but I like plucked
this one little part out of something
that he said because I just thought it
was very kind and it meant a lot to me
and it will to you, too
So, Scott said, I became
interested in what you do because it’s
true
I stuck around listening to your
podcast because the world needs more
people like you, especially now
I’m
going to support anyone who speaks about
things they have a positive passion
about
That’s us
It’s positive passion
That should be our subtitle
Positive passion about Drew Barrymore
So, let’s get into what’s new with Drew
Here we go with the news everybody
Okay, this was interesting
Flower Beauty
Flower eyewear alive
I don’t know
I still don’t understand
Aliveish on life support
So, they did these like promos on Drew’s
Instagram stories where it was like five
or six different photos of her
They
were all cute new pictures from Ramona
Rosales’s photo shoot
We’d seen like
two of them
They’d been used in US
Weekly, but there was new ones, which
was really exciting
Um, and each one like listed a place
that you could supposedly buy these new
styles of eyewear
Some of them actually do have them on
their websites
Um, IMART Express and
Asda, they did, but most of them did
not, at least on the websites, including
Walmart
Like,
we could go on and on about Walmart’s
website and how you can’t find anything
on there
Um, and then that there was also like
BJ’s and Chemist Warehouse and FGX
I
don’t know what most of these places
are, but
yeah, you couldn’t find them on their
website, so maybe they have them in
person
I don’t know
It’s so weird
All I can think is because I I know you
know I like they have them at the
Walmart in middle of nowhere Maine
Like
I go into their their eyewear section
and there’s a section of flower eyewear
Like I’m like what
But I I just wonder
like maybe their like the online system
for any of these places it’s like too
hard
But it sucks because of course we
want to like see all the details about
it
See if there’s any I don’t know more
pictures whatever
Um but yeah
So,
Flower Eyewear is out there apparently
Still thriving
I don’t know
Thriving might be a little
Yeah, who knows if if you go to any of
these venues and you see them like let
us know what the display is like
I
don’t know
We have no idea
It makes me want to like go back to the
Walmart’s area and see if like anything
has changed over there
Like I don’t
know
You got to take one for the team and go
do that
Yeah, I guess so
I I mean Walmart’s
kind of Well, you know, it’s like one of
the only places to do to go out here
So, Drew wrote a forward for
the new book that designer Muel Welch
wrote called The Forever Home
Um, and
just like a side note, Drew has done
like so many random four words for
books
Like, I guess it’s a way for her
to use her like name for like friends
and stuff, right
Like,
so it’s really sweet
Um,
yeah
I mean,
some notable ones of course are like
Ross’s Tio and Tio where she appears as
like a little animated
that
Yeah, me too
Um, and the misfits we’ve
talked about by John Rosen
She did the
forward four
Anyway, there are a few
more
And um, I just had to note that
like the first line says, I love this
man
I’m like, Okay, well, one more
love for Drew Loves
I love everything in the world
Lastly, this is the biggest
and the most exciting news
The Drew
Barrymore Show just won three daytime
Emmys like two days ago
Most
importantly, Drew’s first ever because
she won for outstanding daytime talk
series host
Yay, Drew
I think Kelly Clarkson always wins
So,
unfortunately, Drew wasn’t even there
I
like it’s almost like,
well, we’re not going to win
So, like,
you know, nobody bothered going except
for Ross
But, um, yeah, also so cool to the hair
styling and makeup team
They won for
outstanding hair styling and makeup
Um,
we know some of those people and they’re
also cool
And then also outstanding
directing team, which I was like, I
wonder who that who gets that one
Like,
I wonder if we even know who those
people are cuz we know a lot of
producers
But
I was kind of wondering the same thing
like if the daytime Emmys like list
those people’s names
Drew Barrymore Show, Outstanding Hair
and Makeup
Yeah, list their names
Oh, had makeup artist Lauren Gulino,
makeup artist Joanna Pisani
Joanna, she
did ours
And hair stylist Daniel Howell
Oh, and
then hairstylist Tony Coburn
She did our hair, too
Oh, cool
And then, hold on
Let me go
to the directing team
Good find
Oh, I don’t even know these names
That’s
That’s what I thought
The director Scott Titlebomb,
associate director Sarah Tanner, and
stage managers VA Carey and Liz Keane
I
think we met Liz
Oh, yeah, we did
Let’s um is the one
that walked us down to the set and all
that
One of our
friends
I just wish Drew had been there
It’s
such a bummer
Like I would have love to
see her accept her Emmy
I mean, yeah, like you’re
right
She must have just not
Well, I also just have this weird
We haven’t talked about this on the pod,
but we’ve talked about it privately
She
is not in a lot of segments of the
Drewberry Mar show right now
They’re
doing a lot without her
We’ve we’ve
made jokes about it privately for sure
Like it’s the Drew
Barrymore show
Drew Barry Moore, not Drew Barrymore
less
But yeah, there’s segments without her
There’s doing a lot of like the last
like six minutes of the show are like,
here’s an old clip from an old season
It’s just very mysterious to me
And I
feel like she’s busy with something
else
Like I can’t shake this feeling
I mean, yeah, we keep we keep
saying that
I guess time will tell
Time will tell
Yeah, we don’t have any
intel yet, guys
Um anyway, congratulations to
the Drew Barrymore Show on your three
daytime Emmys
Like that’s so cool
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Thank you
So, I guess we’re here to talk
about this weekly topic of collector’s
call
We
need to do more of what this is is
believing in people, supporting each
other, celebrating, collecting
I think we only like really, really,
really announced it last episode, but we
did this a long time ago
We’re going to
tell you the whole background of it
And
it finally came out last week in between
our two podcast episodes
So, this is
our time to talk about it
If you guys
haven’t seen it, we are working on that
Yeah, we’re working on it
We have some
way that we’re hoping to get it out
there for you
Um, it’s on M TV, which
is just like an overtheair channel
I
don’t even know if they air reruns of
the show
I hope they do so more people
can see it
Um, anyway, I got a chance
to watch it live at my parents house in
Fontana
I’m glad I was there
Crazy
timing
So, I mean, so good
I
just happened to be in California last
week
Um, but I do want to say like a
big big caveat about the Collector’s
Call episode if you watched it
There’s
so much of our collection that they
literally could not represent on TV and
that had a lot to do with like clearance
rates
So items couldn’t be included on
the Drew Barrymore show, which we’ll
explain the link in a second
Um,
including like magazines and photos
Um,
so they didn’t end up on collector’s
call either
So it’s kind of a strange
like even when they do like the the
valuation like
Yeah
Scott mentions it in the episode,
but anyway, there’s a lot that visually
is not represented
a lot
So, if you’re here and you watch
that and you’re coming straight to our
episode somehow, like make sure you like
spend some time on the museum to
understand like the breadth of the
collection
Especially, I would imagine if
you’re like a regular watcher of that
show, which I would be if I had access
to if it was streaming, which it’s not
Um, they usually are in the person’s
home and like, you know, maybe there’s
like a room that’s dedicated to their
collection or rooms plural
And this was
filmed in New York where neither of us
live and anything that was there we had
to get there
So it was a unique
situation for them for us and we want to
tell you all of the back behind the
scenes info about it
Um, also just another note,
collector’s call picked some items that
they wanted to feature out of
We like
we chose like 10 to 15 items that we
considered like, you know, the coolest
like top items in the collection
Um,
and some other items that weren’t chosen
were a test Polaroid that was taken for
People magazine and is it 82
Um, Mad Love production materials
um
some really special reference pictures
for Scream special effects
Um a shirt
from 51st States, a prop from 51st
States that we did film a section about
and then they didn’t use and a shirt
from Whip It
Anyway, there’s lots of
other cool stuff, but it’s like very
much so like pairing it down like it
just made me think like the behind the
scenes of like all of these episodes
I don’t know
That’s a hard job to like these are the
things we’re going to feature like
right
and only these
and like they Yeah
How do they
select which are the coolest
I mean, I
we’re really happy with how it ended up,
but it was just it was a very strange
process
So, should we get into the
background
Go back in time a little
bit
Let’s do it
So,
okay
They first reached out to us just
through an email way back in September
24
So, I can’t believe like a year ago
this all began
That’s wild
Um, so as we mentioned, our
fellow Drewie Patrick Scott Patterson or
known as Scott, he had worked with them
previously doing like a video game
collection episode and he pitched the
idea of an episode about a Drew
collector collection and obviously that
would be us
Yes,
that’s kind of our thing
Which was so cool
Um, so pretty
soon after that proposal, we had a fun
Zoom call with I think they’re both
producers, so it’s Diana and Mike
I
can’t remember what Diana’s actual title
is
Um, but the the call went really well
We were like feeling the vibe
It was
like clearly it felt like we at that
point we were talking about doing it at
my parents house in Fontana and like
staging the collection in a room because
both Ashley and I do not really have our
collections on on display sadly in ways
that we used to at certain points in our
lives
Um so it would have had been
totally staged anyway and then it ended
up being totally staged a different way
I know that’s kind of funny but it was
still going to be the same
It was still
going to be February which is kind of
funny
like just ended up that’s sort of
what they had room on their schedule
So after that call, we didn’t hear
anything for a couple months
Um but we had started working with the
Drew Barry Moore show on a 50th birthday
episode appearance at the same time
So
like literally while we were waiting for
Collector’s Call to like get back to us,
we had started this conversation with
the Drew Barrymore Show, which is like
we’re like wild
Why are we so important all of a sudden
We’re having all these television
producer Zooms
It was weird and wild
It was
weird and wild
And if you want to know like the
background and the history of how we
appeared on that show, our episode 99
kind of talks about all that
So, we’re
going to not get into the details of
that this time around
Um, so then we received an
email in November of last year saying,
We’ve been working with the Drew
Barmore people regarding the shoot
you’re doing with them
we will also be
there that day to tape a special moment
for collector’s call with all of you
And I remember I remember reading that
email and being like what
Like they’re
talking to each other about us
Like we
had no idea because we didn’t tell
Collector’s Call that we were talking to
them
I don’t know even how they found
out
Like I honestly have no idea
I I
would imagine they had reached out like,
Oh, is Drew able to do like a video or
something for this episode
And they
went, Oh, those girls are already
scheduled to be here
So weird, guys
It was very weird
I
feel like you were very like, Yeah,
that makes sense
And I was just like
flipping out
Like I just couldn’t
believe it
And you were very like,
Okay, yeah, I get it
But I also feel
like the, you know, just casually, we’re
going to be there for a special moment
for clerk to call with all of you
We’re
like, what does that mean
The special moment term definitely
got used a lot and we kept going, what
does that look like
Like we just can’t
even we have no idea
And again, we’ll talk into like
we’ll talk about what that means, but
Yeah
So, we got this like kind of
casual like we’re working with the
people regarding the shoot we’re doing
with them
Like
we’ll be there too
So then we did like another
important Hollywood business meeting
where we went on we went on a Zoom with
producers of both shows at the same
time
Ann and I were just kind of like
sitting quietly listening to them make
all these arrangements about us
It was
a trip
Somebody even commented on it
like thanks you guys for like we’re
sorry we’re just like talking about you
while you sit there
It was it was really cool to kind of see
really cool
I actually think I have a
screenshot of it
Uh but yeah, we got to
just listen to them work out the
logistics of how they were going to do
these two shows, both shows backtoback
in the studio um in the CBS studio
So
it was literally like, Okay,
Collector’s Call crew will be there
The
girls are going to be miked for both
shows
We’re going to film the Drew
Barrymore show segment
We’re going to
wrap that
Collector’s Call, you need to
sweep in with your cameras and your
crew
film this special moment and then our
collection would be moved by like the
teamsters who work on the show to the
rehearsal space to film the bulk of our
collector’s call episode
So it was just
like that’s how it’s going to go
We’re
like holy
And like I mean this did actually happen
and it was wild
The Yeah
the um logistics
It was so
whirlwind
interesting
Whirlwind interesting
It
was all very interesting
Like literally
as we were like talking to Drew and
filming this thing on Drew’s set, they
were like removing
the collection behind us
Like I think
one of the pictures you literally can
like see someone’s back like grabbing
something as like taking a picture with
Drew
Like you know it was like it’s
daytime TV
They’re just like okay next
you know,
right
They had a whole another episode
to film of the Drew show um right after
a break
So, yeah, it was very
all the decisions they have to make like
every second like I can’t I can’t even
imagine being that in that environment
Um and then we did continue filming more
collector’s call the following day in a
different space
So, there was like even
more logistics that happened here
I remember like getting concerned about
a lot of these logistics and having to
tell myself this is not your problem
You are not in charge
like just go
along
They know what they’re doing cuz
I just like get so nervous about those
things
But like they had it down,
they got it, it happened
It all worked
We somehow recorded two shows and it was
fine
So, let’s just get into like
what we can kind of remember about the
days
Um, like Ashley said, if you
haven’t listened to the episode about
the Jerberrymore show whirlwind, that’ll
give you even more background because we
also recorded that like right after it
happened
So, if you’re interested in
more about like how we were feeling
logistics, there’s a lot more there
Um,
all right, day one
So, as we said, as soon as the Drew
Barrymore Show wrapped their show and
the audience sang happy birthday to
Drew, we were there for that
We’re just like hovering awkwardly
behind her cuz we weren’t we couldn’t
move
Yeah, we had to stay there
And it’s kind of cool that on the social
media like we are behind her singing her
happy birthday for her 50th
It was it
was really crazy and cool, you guys
So, as we said before, Collector’s Call
like rolled right up on stage and
started filming our special moment
Like, it was within like minutes
Like, it was so fast
And I love that you noted that
Douglas Drew’s dog was at our feet
like
it was just very like
I don’t know surreal in so many ways but
that was like yet another detail
And uh the host of collector’s
call is Lisa Welch which you might know
her best as Blair from Facts of Life
So
they there is like clips on the episode
which I’m glad to see these cuz like
that’s all just like a blackout for me
I don’t really remember a lot,
but they like announce Lisa and so she
like runs out and the audience is all
still sitting there and they like
clapped for her and stuff and Drew and
Lisa were really excited to see each
other because they’ve become friendly
over the years with Lisa’s appearances
on the show
And this was the quote unquote special
moment
So this is kind of like Lisa
saying, And Ashley, here you are with
Drew
And you know, of course, Drew
kind of just like Drew didn’t even know
she was doing this
This was literally
sprung on her because her whole birthday
episode is a surprise
So, she couldn’t
know we were there
And they’re like,
You’re doing this now
And like
being such the freaking pro that she is
She just like rolled right into it with
zero preparation and had no problem
Like, she just like blows me away that
she can do that
It’s amazing
I mean, I know they’re
like Lisa and Drew both had that like
incredible ability to just like, All
right, here’s what’s happening
I mean, pros
Like literal pros
Total pros
Ashley and Drew her very self
I’ve
known them for years and I always brag
about how the only picture I have of my
mother and father together is because
they were kind enough to give me that
photo and it’s hung on my wall in my
home ever since
My personal life has
been so benefited by you guys caring
enough to find things that I’ve never
had access to
Beyond any movie
paraphernalia, I have evidence of my mom
and dad together thanks to you guys
I
met them so many years ago and I was so
in awe of your intentionality and your
energy because there’s nothing indulgent
about this
There’s something just
really positive at play
and I knew that it was on a human level
and that’s all I care about
Yeah, we just love to celebrate your
life and it’s so rich and there’s so
many lessons to be learned from you and
we’re just out here to support it
Thank
you guys so much
Happy birthday
Okay,
I’m not crying
You’re crying
guys
Guys, listening to that again,
like immediately we both started tearing
up because she’s talking about like us
It’s like I still I will never
understand how this how we’ve gotten
here
This is crazy
Pretty pretty amazing, guys
And I think
that we have sensed some of this stuff
like that she gets
what we’re there for
like she knows we
love her, but there’s like nothing uh
sinister about it
We’re not creeps
I mean, like we’re creeps in our
own way, but like you know, anyway, I
think the the way she described
her impression of us and how that has
like we have personally benefited her
life like what
Anyway, that was that
special moment was really special
We could have possibly have known that
Also, like after that, we’re like what
did she say
It was so great
to see it on TV cuz I was like, I didn’t
remember any of this that she said
Like
this is so cool
And like while we’re
talking to her, there’s this like look
on her face that’s so like touched and
uh
it was insane
And they have really cool like um
footage like before that starts like
kind of behind the scenes of like us
kind of talking to her privately which
it’s just really really really neat
So
I hope everybody gets to check it out
Yeah, it’s really neat
Um, I also was
realizing in the show they don’t really
explain that we were doing a thing for
Drew’s 50th birthday
No, we were wondering like are they
going to explain that we’re even at her
show
Like they didn’t, which is kind of
you just had to know, I guess
I guess or I guess for like people who
are watching it like they just probably
don’t they don’t need to fill in those
gaps, you know
I guess it’s like where are they
How is
this happening
I don’t know
If there
was somebody else, like if we were
watching some other Drew fan like have
this experience, you’d be like, How
Totally
What happened
Anyway, so that’s why
we’re here filling in the gaps
Um
anyway, so um like we said, once we were
done with that moment, which like
whirlwind, incredible, amazing moment,
um the items were like literally being
moved into the rehearsal space like
behind us, like disappearing as we were
like and they they did it all
Like they
moved everything
They reused some of
the shelving that they’ used on the Drew
Barry Moore’s 50th show for the backdrop
collector’s call
Like if you’re paying
attention, you can like see totally,
you know, a lot of the same like the way
it’s set up even
And then we were given lunch, which was
so cool and we felt so like I don’t
know
We were we were kind we were
talent guys
It was weird
Also, I just
remembered as we were walking to the
rehearsal space, Drew Drew like coming
to go up those stairs that they always
film her coming down when she’s getting
ready for the show
We’re just like,
Oh, hi
And her assistant had the
Ethel Barrymore photo that we had given
her
Oh, yeah
We didn’t even mention that
But yeah, I guess we mentioned it on our
episode about the the show
Yeah, we did
Another thing just about
that Ethel Barrymore picture
We I
didn’t remember that they took a picture
of Drew holding it with us and Scott and
then at the end of this episode it just
appeared
We’re like
had no memory of taking that picture at
all
So we’ll share that one because
it’s really cute
So we got to have our
hair and makeup touched up by Ramanda
Maru
She’s at beauty_by
roamanda on um Instagram
And she was
really cool
And also, I just really
like how my uh makeup looked in the
episode thanks to her touch-up
So,
thank you
I do remember that I I brought two of
the same shirt and I had like sweat
through it so badly because we we were
doing stuff for so long and I just am a
sweaty person
And I like to went to
take it off and switch into the other
one and I got makeup on it
So then I
would it was a whole thing but it worked
out
You weren’t in the room
I feel like you remember you telling me,
but did you go back to the other shirt
or did you clean off the one that you
I think I had to and then I like cleaned
it off for the next day because we had
to wear the same clothes the next day
So, I had like the new shirt on the next
Oh, anyway, the things the magic of
television
Thank you, Randa, for
making us look a little fresher after
like I think we’d had our makeup done
Like, what time was it
when the Jarimmore show did our makeup
9 or something
10 10 in the morning
I
don’t remember
So, then it
was like 2:00 p
I don’t even know what time it was
Then, um, it was time to
film for Collector’s Call
So, they like
had set up this thing after we ate
Um,
yeah, we were just kind of chilling,
eating, and, uh, watching them like set
up all the cameras, set up all the
stuff
It was I mean, all of this, we
love this We love the behind the
scenes
Love the behind the scenes
And I
remember just feeling this like sense of
like chill
Like I just felt so calm and
comfortable at that point because I
think we’d already had this huge like
adrenaline spike
I think we can attribute this somewhat
to the Collector’s Call crew
Absolutely
Because they were so cool,
so chill
Had it together
Small crew,
but like amazing
Really worked well together
Um,
and I, you know, I think they kept
saying like, Thank you to us for
seemingly being prepared and we can only
imagine like, well, we’ve been doing
this podcast or we’re like used to
talking to each other
Anyway, it went
really smooth
So, kind of the format
was they went through the six featured
items that they had chosen and we like,
you know, they bring that one to the
forefront and we would give background
on them and we would take pictures
posing with them
It was kind of
interesting because they asked us, you
know, beforehand to prepare like how did
you get it
How much did you pay
So,
unfortunately, I’ve kept horrible
records of that stuff
Don’t ask me why
So, I had to like dig so deep into old
like emails and like looking at like
eBay feedback and trying to fill in the
blanks
Was this that item
Um,
so a lot of it was kind of like guessing
work, but
yeah, it just happened to be we just
don’t spend a lot of money when we’ve
been very lucky
So everything we’re like couldn’t have
been more than $200,
right
And the fact that like a lot of
the things that they’re talking about
like would have been collected for the
jersey like many years ago
So yeah, you’re like I wouldn’t have
spent $1,000
Like I just wouldn’t have
like there’s no way
And we’re just frugal, you know
Like I
think I think in general like we we have
many stories of knowing people have paid
a lot for something and then we’re like
we like waited for the right moment or
we’re lucky and we didn’t you know like
whatever it is
Um so we’ve been pretty lucky
Um so
I’ll just like list a couple things
really quick
So they did the ballet
outfit from when Drew was a little
little kid before she did ET
Um the
fire starter chair back which was the
director’s chair back
By the way it’s
really hard to find like other things
like that the the chair back because I
was I don’t know
Um,
Christmas cards from Flower Films, which
were incredibly special, obviously
Um,
the dress from Never Been Kissed, the
prom dress, guys, that is so cool
And
when you see that in the background of
any of the images from the show or
anything, it’s like
it sticks out
immediately recognizable
It’s so cool
Um, the Charlie’s Angels costume from
their band moment at the end of the
first movie
And then we had filmed a
moment about this badge from 51st states
that’s in the jersey, but they ended up
not using that in the show
And I
remember when they did it, I was a
little bit like this is not it’s like
hard to like explain why it’s cool
It
probably didn’t show that well
We wouldn’t have picked that one, but
they ended up picking it
And then
obviously they decided not to use it,
which is kind of funny
So they filmed about six
and then we ended up ended up cutting it
down to five
Um, and I think we already
said this about like Lisa’s
professionalism
Lisa Welchel like she
was so cool, so funny
Oh my god
I And you already kind of mentioned like
how chill it was, including the fact
that we had like her there and she was I
don’t know
She was so like down to earth and funny
I’m like I totally get why her and Drew
would get along
It’s crazy that she’s
also been famous the most of her life
She was awesome and I was very like as
we already said I was very impressed
with how on the fly she could just like
they’d be like do say something like
this and she just boom do it so and
sound so good
Did you have a pun in there without
anything
I mean I guess this is maybe
like when we talk about how like lovely
and down to earth Drew is
Maybe it’s
because they’ve been famous their whole
lives
You know like I know not everyone is
like this but like
I don’t know just know just knowing how
to be a human
like I think they really
know how to be humans
All right, so um let’s get into day two
a little bit
So now at this point we’ve
like left the Drew Barrymore show, but
we’re just doing all the uh
second unit
Is that
Yeah, I guess it was
And just I
I love like just putting myself back in
that space and it was like freezing in
New York, but like remember we like went
and got really good Mexican dinner that
night
M
it was like super
And then Mike from
Collector’s Call, amazing guy
He while we were at that dinner, he sent
us like 40 50 behind thes scenes
pictures he had taken
And he’s like, I know it’s kind of a
lot, but I just am really into
cherishing memories
And we were like,
are you kidding me
This is amazing
Like he’s the reason we have them all
We had no idea he was just like
taking tons of pictures behind the
scenes
It was so great
It was
funny
He was apologizing for like the
influx
were like, No, like this is you
are
this is our jam
Like, that was so
cool
I’m glad you mentioned that
Like,
yeah, we had like a good meal
We were
like just
pinching ourselves
like Yeah
in like like total like zen
zone like whatever
We didn’t know what
was happening
So, day two, um, we this
was already like obviously part of the
plan
So, we had done the Drew and War
show and we knew there was going to be a
second day with Collector’s Call
So
they had like set up in an office
building to do all the like basically
like film us like interviews with us
where they like stage the background
once again with like collection items
And I I mentioned that never been kissed
dress cuz there’s one part where like
they do Scott’s interview and you can
like see the never kiss dress just like
silhouated blurry in the background
It
looks so cool
But it was it was really it was really
cool
Like in one room they were doing
these like very good like steady cam
close-up shots of all the items and it
was and they were so good about like
having us bring them over, having us
handle them
Like they wanted to handle
the items as little as possible
They
were very cool and understanding about
that which makes sense with what their
show is
But right
it was very meaningful to us that they
were like, Okay, we need this item
now
Like they let us bring it over
Um, so that was happening in one room
and I have a couple like cool videos and
pictures of that, but mostly we were
just being present and then in the other
room they had like these talking head
one-on-one interviews with us and we had
to like set up the background, remember
Cuz like it was just this weird rented
space that like kind of looked like a
living room and so they had us like fill
in the background with whatever items
that we had that we thought looked good,
which was really fun
It’s like and they
were like, You’re barely going to see
this on the show
like don’t worry too
much about it and they were right
It was so just a flash and I remember
being so worried just like to like a
little bit more behind the scenes like
we had gotten our makeup professionally
done at the Jaringmore show and then for
the second day I was like I’m not going
to look the same
My hair’s going to
look like My makeup’s going to
look you know and and you can’t it’s so
fast and I think we look great in both
and like
um anyways
they were right
They know what they’re
talking about,
right
And the edit and Yeah
And the
editing, like
I guess I guess we’re almost to the
point where we’re going to say the
episode takeaways, but like I was so
worried that day being interviewed
I
kept like stumbling over my words and
messing up and I was like, They’re not
going to be able to use this
I was so
like, Uh
And then like the little
bits that are on the show, I’m like,
Oh, I don’t sound like an idiot and I
look fine
Not at all
That was also like a very um that moment
of I remember of like sitting in the
chair and the like lights and cameras
were on me and um there their Lisa
different Lisa Lisa Carl the producer
was like off to the side to ask me
questions and I had this very like oh
this is that moment you always see in a
documentary where the like the person
sitting down and getting ready to start
the interview
I was like I’m in that
moment right now
This is so weird
It
was surreal to be like, Yeah, the
lights are on me and they’re at they
they’re interested in what I have to
say
Like,
it was weird, but it was also like it
was so validating, right
Like I think
this like for them to be interested in
why we’re collecting, what like
why we love her, like
Yeah
being treated like the experts that we
are
So, uh, what else do we even
say about like that
I guess the one
other thing I’ll say about like this
that second day about like them
photographing stuff and like watching
them like, you know, set up the cards
with the lights and all that stuff
I
was just like, whoa, this is like it
feels like to us their collection items,
but it like I don’t know, it elevated
it
This whole thing kind of elevated
the things like I thought about the fact
that like wait, we basically have like
sort of exhibited them
Even though it was like Yeah
on the
show for a split second and on
collector’s call like for a split
second
Like technically be beyond our
online exhibit, we’ve now exhibited
them
It’s our popup
Our popup that you know only uh
people who watch the shows get to see
and pay attention to it for a second
Anyway, so so so surreal
Oh, so actually watching it again like
so much time had passed and so there was
a lot we didn’t remember
also like just
the whirlwind
You just kind of black
out at moments
It’s so weird how that
happens
Um but yeah, so it was so cool
to see the stuff I’d forgotten about,
especially the stuff with Drew
It was
such a like joyful and cute episode
Like there were all these fun little
animations that they did that we really
enjoyed
And then we provided, you know, a lot of
personal photos
Again, I’m sure that
they were so like grateful to us to be
those types of people that they could
say, Do you have a picture of this
This, this, this, this
And we were
like, Yep, here you go
All uploaded in
this folder
So, we gave them a
lot to work with and it it really it was
really neat like to see the old pictures
of us like at the beginning of our
friendship
And
so, so funny like a bunch of us from
like Yeah
One of the first times we
really really hung out and I’m like 15
with braces like
Yeah,
guys
like we are we have been doing
this a long time and it’s like it was
cool to have them go through the history
and like in such a beautiful positive
light like not that I expected anything
differently but like
I think because our story has such a
like wholesome
you know like we’re like we met on a
message board and we I don’t know
there’s just so much like I don’t know
the time and the consistency and the
like friendships that have like come out
of it like they were able to sort of
like play up our friendship like
Yeah, I think you’re right
I think I
mean there’s a lot of factors that play
as to why, but there’s I don’t think
from like if I’m trying to put myself in
an objective outsiders perspective who
watch the episode, I don’t think you’d
come away going, What a couple of
weirdos
Like I think you go, Oh, this is
actually really sweet and cool
Yeah, I hope so, too
And I think well I
also wonder like if they’ve had like
other collectors who are like friends
that collect
like a duo
I think they’ve had maybe like married
couple or something
Yeah, that’s what I was going to say
I
feel like they’re like couples or people
who live together or something
Very unique experience for them in a lot
of ways
Also, I thought it was really
fun
Um and I was sort of surprised
after dealing with the like crazy
clearance issues for the Drew Barrymore
show
It was kind of hilarious to me
that they included a picture of us with
Jolina and Tess without even like asking
them for their permission
It’s okay
They’re like, We’re on me TV
No one
cares
Nobody cares
And yeah, like we got to
we got to represent the Drewies guys
on TV
I And it was also like this is now they
used that term so much in their like um
marketing for the episode and the promo
I’m like this is so cool
Like finally
that term is like out there
Like
everyone knows like the Swifties or like
you know the beehive or whatever they
call it for Beyonce
I’m like now maybe
some people actually know what a Drewie
is
This is awesome
Some of the promo said things like
if you’re not a Drewie yet like you will
be after this episode or like it’s
really cute
It’s so cute
So guys, we are we were so
touched
Like I mean I think seeing the
episode I just had no idea what to
expect
Like I didn’t
I mean we’ve seen the episodes
We know
what that we know what Collector’s Call
is like
But like
but this was a weird one
Like and they
like also had to like pull these
different setups and different like
there was a lot of different pieces
It’s like how are these going to go
together
And they they pulled it off
great
They did it beautifully
And I will say
once again, you said something about the
animations, but there were so many
little cute ones
Like I’m sorry, I just
have to like point out like there was
one where like you had sent a picture of
like magazines on the ground and like
they animated them like boop boop boop
boop like one at a time like dropping
into the frame
I was like
that is so freaking cute
Um okay, so I don’t even know
what else there is to say
If you’re
here because of collector’s call, thank
you so much for coming and like
and say hi
Let us know
Yeah, please
say hi if you’re here because of that
If you’re one of the many friends who’ve
reached out like, How can I watch this
Working on getting that edited and up
I’m a little bit concerned that we won’t
be able to keep it up because we do not
own the copyright to this
I probably
shouldn’t even be saying that, but we’re
hoping that we’ll be able to edit and
keep it up
And if you’re listening to
this, it should be available
There you go
And that’s the plan
And because yeah,
this is like one of This is our exhibit
basically
We got to exhibit for TV and
the jersey got a little bit of play and
really cool
Like this has been our
hobby
And I’ll just say like another
thing about it
I remember I was so
stressed out
There were so many moments
I was stressed out working through this
and you’re like I’m I’m having fun
This
is my hobby
We get to like literally our hobby
became for like a it’s we didn’t get
paid for this but there’s so much about
it that like benefited us like
validating what we do continuing like
it’s encouraging to continue what we’re
already doing
It’s just a hobby
but it’s like I don’t know you know
it’s obviously worthy of television so
it’s it’s not just like stupid
and Drew cares about it
we have benefited her life personally
quote unquote
so hobby becomes whatever is above hobby
that is not you know like I don’t know
somewhere between like hobby and
profession
I mean I guess I mean it is technically
my career that I’ve made out of this I
don’t know
one of my friends she watched it she
loved it she’s like I really loved the
part where they like talked about Ann’s
career and showed the picture I was like
yes like I made her take that picture
because I was like you have to include
I’m glad they included it, too
I
thought it was I thought it was fun that
like
they asked what for pictures of me maybe
working or something and I was like, I
don’t know
I can take something silly
and it ended up being so cute
And it
was like even like then Lisa was able to
be like, you owe your career to Drew
Like it was it was well done
So, thanks
guys
I hope it was fun for you to hear
just sort of the background of how the
how the television is made
sort of fun
to like just know how it all came
together
It’s very meta, right
We’re like talking about talking
about doing it
And it was a lot
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Episode 115 – Us, November 1998
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| 34.35 | How do you drew |
| 37.35 | [Music] >> Hello and welcome to How Do You Drew |
| 40.35 | This is a Drew Barrymore podcast brought to you by the Drewseum |
| 43.35 | com and sponsored by our friends at positive medium |
| 46.35 | I’m an Ashley |
| 49.35 | Here we are yet again |
| 52.35 | >> Yes, we are |
| 55.35 | We are here with episode 115 >> How are we How are we still here |
| 58.55 | Our passion is just endless |
| 61.55 | >> Given up |
| 64.55 | >> How have we not run out of topics to talk about |
| 67.55 | How have we not given up |
| 70.55 | Like what was the statistic you read |
| 73.55 | Like podcasts a lot of times don’t make it past like 10 or something |
| 76.95 | It was like >> I mean it’s you know it’s hard but we like it guys |
| 80.20 | We’re here for you >> and us |
| 83.20 | This is a lot of this is for us |
| 86.20 | Um okay so do we get to like literally jump into Drew Loves right away |
| 89.70 | Like how fun |
| 92.70 | >> I love love |
| 95.70 | We got a lot this week |
| 98.70 | Are you ready |
| 101.70 | Drew loves all things beauty |
| 104.70 | Yes, she does |
| 107.70 | She loves perogis |
| 110.70 | >> I had them for dinner last night |
| 113.70 | You’re eating donuts and pizza while we’re recording and now you’re telling me that >> I’m so healthy |
| 118.70 | >> Calling you out |
| 121.70 | Drew loves Jean Smart |
| 124.70 | >> Benny Hill |
| 127.70 | [Laughter] >> Perfect |
| 130.70 | She loves Helman’s the mayonnaise part |
| 133.70 | She loves Greece, too |
| 136.70 | I can’t believe that wasn’t on our list |
| 139.70 | >> I’ve never seen it |
| 142.70 | >> Oh, really |
| 145.70 | >> It’s definitely She always says you can like tell if someone’s cool by if they like Greece, too |
| 150.60 | But it’s like really campy |
| 153.60 | Like, it’s not the same as Greece |
| 156.60 | Like, you have to like them in different ways |
| 159.60 | >> And I used to watch it together and like make fun of it |
| 162.60 | >> All right |
| 165.60 | Drew loves A Double Life |
| 168.60 | She loves Donald Glover |
| 171.60 | >> She loves when people are at least understanding of what someone else is doing |
| 175.65 | >> Basically, she likes tolerance |
| 178.65 | >> Okay, sit down |
| 181.65 | We’ve never had this on the list |
| 184.65 | Drew loves avocados |
| 187.65 | >> Can’t believe it had never come up |
| 190.65 | >> I mean, it’s just like we just haven’t come up |
| 193.65 | It hasn’t come up while we’ve been doing the podcast |
| 196.65 | Like, yeah, >> we’ve heard her say her we’ve heard her proclaim her love for avocados |
| 200.90 | She wanted to be buried under an avocado tree so she would her body would grow through the roots and into those avocados for her friends to eat |
| 205.90 | >> I I love it |
| 208.90 | I want that, too |
| 211.90 | She also loves a good flashback, which I’m like, hell yeah |
| 214.90 | That’s what we’re here for most of the time |
| 217.90 | >> And finally, Drew loves salads and soups |
| 220.90 | >> I like salads and soups |
| 223.90 | >> Actually, I shouldn’t say finally because guess what, guys |
| 226.95 | You get a bonus Drew love section later on in this episode because the article that we are covering literally has Drew love and list stuff |
| 231.95 | It’s fantastic |
| 234.95 | >> I was so happy to see that |
| 237.95 | It was just like, yes, we love lists |
| 240.95 | Give us more lists |
| 243.95 | >> Yes, I know |
| 246.95 | It’s so true |
| 249.95 | Open up her purse and tell us everything that’s inside of it |
| 252.95 | I I want to know |
| 255.95 | We want to know |
| 258.95 | You know, it’s all part of the details, the Drew details |
| 261.95 | Um Okay, so we are gonna go into our mailbag for a minute |
| 264.95 | >> You’ve got mail |
| 267.95 | >> Okay, this is a really cool one out of nowhere |
| 270.95 | We got a DM on Instagram on our Drew Zoom account from Danielle Geysinger and she is the woman who created the Marilyn Monroe dress for Drew’s 1996 cover of George magazine |
| 275.95 | So, if you don’t know, it’s it’s a recreation of the Happy Birthday Mr |
| 279.45 | President dress with all the, you know, the the nude colored with all the rhinestones on it |
| 284.00 | >> So, this is a a really interesting message |
| 287.00 | She thought originally we were Drew, which is why she was like, “It happens |
| 290.75 | Drew, remember the dress |
| 293.75 | ” And I was like, “No, but please tell us more |
| 296.75 | So, this is what she wrote to us |
| 299.75 | I had a couture studio in New York City for 25 years |
| 302.75 | Specialized in one-of-a-kind things for celebrities, print, and events |
| 306.25 | At the time, I worked a lot with Jordan magazine on many covers |
| 309.40 | the dress for Drew was special being a lifelong Marilyn fan |
| 312.40 | So, she was like stoked to make this recreation |
| 315.40 | >> Um, she said lots of research was involved |
| 318.40 | She needed the correct fabric to be found, which was called cotton marusette, which it says is found in France |
| 323.40 | So, like there was this like whole thing around it |
| 326.40 | They She said that Drew’s PR team only provided a few measurements, so the dress needed to be tight fitting with very little time on set for changes |
| 331.40 | And it says that they showed up on the studio in LA, zipped up the dress, and it was a perfect fit |
| 336.30 | Um, she remembers the big relief and says, “Oh, expertise and experience |
| 339.90 | ” She said, “Was a great moment |
| 342.90 | Also, hundreds of rhinestones applied in numerous long nights |
| 345.95 | ” >> Amazing |
| 348.95 | And she doesn’t know where the dress is now, which is such a bummer |
| 352.30 | >> I’m glad you asked |
| 355.30 | She also pointed out that she’s only credited in the magazine as a stylist |
| 359.00 | They didn’t actually credit her as designing the dress, which is like kind of a bummer because it sounds like it was a ton of work |
| 364.00 | And I wonder if she was generally like doing like >> I don’t know like how the crediting works with that kind of thing |
| 369.00 | If they’re just like how that encompasses anything to do with the wardrobe, >> right |
| 373.20 | >> But that’s a lot of work to make a whole thing |
| 376.20 | >> It’s a lot of work |
| 379.20 | Um she now solely designs hats |
| 382.20 | So I guess she’s over the dressing after this now, >> right |
| 385.20 | They’re the hats maybe are easier to fit, >> but so cool |
| 388.20 | We love firsthand info from people who did anything with Drew, especially like this |
| 392.35 | I mean, we throw around the word iconic a lot, but this is one of the iconic magazine covers of her career |
| 397.35 | >> Yeah, it was neat for her to be doing, you know, this Marilyn sort of um interpretation with George |
| 402.35 | And it’s a beautiful cover |
| 405.35 | And yeah, I think we’ve talked about this cover before, but there’s nothing of Drew inside, right |
| 410.20 | >> There’s one picture in the contents, >> okay |
| 413.20 | >> But you can’t see the dress really in that one |
| 416.20 | Um, >> and we have talked a lot about Drew and her love of Marilyn Monroe and her various homages and references over the years |
| 421.20 | We have a whole episode on that if you guys want to check it out |
| 424.40 | But yes, we we had some good feedback on that from Marilyn fans |
| 427.55 | So, like that was a really fun one that some good research went into |
| 430.95 | Yeah, it was a good one |
| 433.95 | >> So, the kind comments corner, we’re kind of shifting in this episode because there’s a reader mail in response to the magazine we’re covering that we are using for this segment |
| 438.95 | So, stay tuned for that |
| 441.95 | Um, all right |
| 444.95 | So, let’s go back in time |
| 447.95 | You know, we do this many times in every episode, but let’s do it for this week in Drew History |
| 452.70 | >> We love a flashback just like Drew |
| 455.70 | October 10th, 2009 was Drew’s sixth and final for now, knock on wood, time hosting, Saturday Night Live |
| 460.70 | And it was a record setting one |
| 463.70 | It made her the most uh hosted woman at the time, which unfortunately that record has been broken now |
| 468.70 | Scarlett Johansson, >> is she seven |
| 471.70 | Yeah, that’s right |
| 474.70 | But Drew Drew will be on again |
| 477.70 | My god, you know how I feel about this |
| 480.70 | I’m like, she’s right there |
| 483.70 | >> I mean, right away I’m like I don’t remember a lot of this one cuz you link to like the recap of the skits |
| 488.70 | I’m like, “Oh my god |
| 491.70 | ” And I just like saw I I love Fred Armison and they did this like Brenda and Shawn thing where they’re like really annoying and they’re in white like magic fingers |
| 496.70 | It’s like a digital I didn’t I didn’t really remember it either |
| 499.85 | I don’t remember it at all, but I’m like Drew in like a short brown wig |
| 503.40 | Like hilarious |
| 506.40 | I mean, wigs are one of the really fun things about Saturday Night Live |
| 509.95 | >> Um Memorably has the Barrymore impressions in the opening monologue where it’s supposed to be like her ancestors |
| 514.95 | That’s pretty fun |
| 517.95 | We have a whole episode at number 98 on ranking the monologues from her times hosting if you guys want to check that out |
| 522.95 | It’s pretty fun |
| 525.95 | Um, another pretty memorable skit, probably the most memorable within this appearance is the Gilly one |
| 530.95 | So, this is uh Kristen Wig |
| 533.95 | If you guys like don’t know the Gilly character, it’s worth looking up |
| 537.45 | It’s really silly |
| 540.45 | She’s like, is she Italian or Oh, no |
| 543.45 | Drew her Italian cousin, I think |
| 546.45 | Yeah, it says and Gilly |
| 549.45 | Um, the episode doesn’t have like some of our favorites |
| 552.45 | Like I was like, “Oh, when was Body Fusion |
| 555.45 | ” And that was like a couple years before |
| 558.45 | Yeah, it’s probably my least favorite of all of our times hosting |
| 561.70 | It just maybe because I’ve seen it the least, I don’t know, but it just like doesn’t grab me |
| 566.30 | >> I need to rewatch it like >> Well, of course only like half of it is on Peacock, so good luck |
| 571.10 | >> Of course |
| 574.10 | >> Of course |
| 577.10 | Um, there is, funnily enough, so our last episode we talked about Drew and her, of course, infamous 1995 flashing of David Letterman |
| 582.10 | There was a really brief reference to it um in the Bill Hater Vinnie Vadichi talk show skit and they talk about it very briefly but rehearsal photos because if you don’t know they take all the like press photos of SNL during the rehearsal so a lot of times they don’t match what actually airs which is like always kind of a trip to me |
| 587.10 | >> It really is |
| 590.10 | The rehearsal photos show that she like actually gets up on the table or the, you know, the desk and strips down to this tank top that says titty Vichi on it |
| 595.10 | >> I couldn’t fully read it, but that’s so great |
| 598.10 | >> They didn’t do that in the episode when it aired |
| 601.10 | >> I, you know, I realized like that that show is put together so quickly with Saturday Night Live |
| 606.00 | Like they start writing it at the beginning of the week and then they perform it at the end |
| 610.55 | So like things are they change like at the last minute and rehearsals I’m guessing the day before but who knows |
| 615.55 | >> No, I think it’s the day |
| 618.55 | I >> think it’s the same day |
| 621.55 | But like yeah, there are sometimes like wig changes and like rewrites |
| 625.00 | Um >> anyway, you had made a note here that Justin Long did a cameo as Matthew McConna skit, which I don’t remember it |
| 630.00 | Um but he was on stage at at the end during the Gumbies |
| 633.00 | They like always have everybody kind of like in the cast and anyone who appeared usually on stage and he’s holding hands with Drew and of course we like have such a fondness for them as a couple |
| 638.00 | So it’s really >> I’m pretty sure they were also like still trying to say they weren’t together |
| 642.75 | I’m like guys >> hello |
| 645.75 | >> Um one thing I do love about this episode are the bumper photos |
| 649.05 | Like these are some of my favorites of her by Mary Ellen Matthews as always |
| 652.80 | She’s been the SNL staffer forever, but these are amazing |
| 655.80 | So, if you guys don’t know them, we’ll definitely share some |
| 658.80 | I love the like stars on her face and some of them |
| 661.80 | There’s like one with the big red balloon |
| 664.80 | The colorization |
| 667.80 | Yeah, she just looks so freaking cool |
| 670.80 | >> It’s really neat |
| 673.80 | Like, yeah, the the way they messed with the saturation of the colors and she styled so cool |
| 678.40 | Like, we we tend to love her style in this area anyway |
| 681.40 | We have a whole episode on that, too, guys, if you want to listen to that |
| 685.05 | That’s true, guys |
| 688.05 | We’ve gone over so many little pieces of things we talk about |
| 691.10 | The crossovers are just endless |
| 694.10 | >> Yeah, we could be here forever if we tried to say every episode we’re referencing in the past |
| 698.90 | All right, so let’s kind of come back to the present and talk about what’s new with Drew |
| 703.30 | Here we go with the news, everybody |
| 706.30 | Okay, so Drew made a fun little appearance at the Atlanta CBS station, WBS, to promote the show |
| 711.05 | Um, I guess they like must do really well there |
| 714.05 | I saw some picture where the numbers, it was like the number one for the show was in that market |
| 718.85 | Um, so that must be why she went and there’s a lot of really cute pictures of her with the staff there |
| 723.85 | A bunch of people had posted stuff |
| 726.85 | She also did a sitdown interview, but um, I haven’t been able to find that video online |
| 731.20 | I even asked the interviewer and she said that it would be on there, but I don’t see it |
| 735.55 | So, it’s a bummer |
| 738.55 | Love to see that |
| 741.55 | So, yeah, hopefully we’ll be able to see it |
| 744.55 | And I just noted that she’s in like a monochromatic outfit, like head to toe gray, including the shoes |
| 749.55 | And I feel like that’s something they’re doing a lot with like her style |
| 753.15 | >> I’ve also noticed um and I just like messaged Matthew Kilgore about it |
| 756.80 | She seems to be really into these very wide belts right now |
| 759.80 | Have you noticed that |
| 762.80 | Like belting everything |
| 765.80 | >> But yeah, it’s it’s cute |
| 768.80 | And like I mean I guess maybe we’re trying to see what the season six style is |
| 772.70 | >> And I feel like that’s where it’s at |
| 775.70 | Yeah, like kind of cool |
| 778.70 | >> All right |
| 781.70 | Um, so another event, so she’s kind of been like out a little bit |
| 784.95 | >> Yeah, it’s so fun |
| 787.95 | >> Drew also attended a support and feed fundraising event, which is an organization founded by Billy Isish’s mom, Maggie Bard or Baird |
| 792.95 | Um, that is quote working toward a global shift to an equitable plant-based food system unquote |
| 797.70 | >> Sounds cool |
| 800.70 | >> Yeah, >> super cool |
| 803.70 | And Drew looks really cute and kind of natural |
| 806.70 | Like she looks like she’s running out |
| 809.70 | And I we love Billy Eyish in my house |
| 812.70 | I’m always like happy to see Drew and her together |
| 815.70 | >> Oh, yeah |
| 818.70 | Sadder news, but not surprising news |
| 821.70 | >> We’ve been reporting on this for a really long time, guys |
| 824.70 | Like, we saw the writing on the wall probably over a year ago |
| 827.75 | Like, Flower Beauty, something was going on |
| 830.75 | Aka nothing was going on |
| 833.75 | And we’ve just kind of been feeling like it’s going to it’s something’s going on |
| 837.75 | And then Drew actually told us in person when we were at the Drew Barrymore show that she was stopping both Drew magazine and Flower Beauty |
| 842.75 | And for some reason I’m like we keep telling you guys but like people don’t don’t want to accept it, you know, like it’s straight from her mouth |
| 847.75 | Not everyone is hearing us |
| 850.75 | She said like um you know she was just doing too much and she was like going to have a nervous breakdown and we were totally like >> What was that thing you said like the balance beam |
| 855.75 | the Simone Biles balance beam moment because she’d been talking about that earlier that day |
| 860.30 | So, anyway, Mesa, which was sort of like the parent company to Flower Beauty, they finally gave an official statement to um a publication called Beauty Independent, and it did confirm the end of Flower Beauty |
| 865.30 | Sad, sad, sad |
| 868.30 | We will link to that article, but just a couple little quotes |
| 871.35 | They said, “Flower Beauty will always hold a special place in Mesa’s story |
| 875.05 | As part of our strategic evolution, Mesa has decided to exit the color cosmetics category |
| 879.50 | ” Which is like kind of interesting because I don’t think that’s the real reason |
| 883.50 | >> And I thought it was interesting, too |
| 886.50 | >> They also said, “We have been fortunate enough to have Drew Barrymore as a great founder partner, and we are grateful for the incredible journey we have shared |
| 891.50 | ” >> The end |
| 894.50 | It’s sad cuz we’ve like even though I’m not a huge makeup wearer like we’ve been of course supporting the brand since it >> started long 12 years more almost 13 |
| 899.50 | It’s a bummer, but I’m also like, you know, there there are so many like things we got out of it, like different photo shoots and like oh my gosh, you know, I mean, I don’t know |
| 904.50 | It’s Drew had to do what she had to do, but yeah, it’s another >> fully support her doing what’s best for her, but it’s also like the end of an era and it makes us a little sad |
| 909.50 | >> These those transitions are always hard |
| 912.50 | Okay, so then uh is this our like last news before we get into the weekly topic |
| 916.45 | Um, Drew also attended the broadcasting and cable hall of fame event where she was honored as an inductee |
| 921.45 | Hey, that’s pretty cool |
| 924.45 | >> Thank you so much for having me tonight |
| 927.45 | I am so honored |
| 930.45 | >> And she had Valerie Burtonelli, Ember Trusale, you know, who is a longtime flower film staffer and the current president |
| 935.45 | >> And then also um the Jermore Show’s executive producer, Jason Curts |
| 938.95 | our buddy Jason |
| 941.95 | >> Our friend Jason |
| 944.95 | Yeah, we’ve been on a Zoom call with him, guys |
| 947.95 | We know him |
| 950.95 | So, she had a little crew with her and that’s really cool |
| 953.95 | >> Hey, Drew |
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| 997.90 | >> Thank you |
| 1000.90 | >> Okay, so I guess we can get into this really fun weekly topic |
| 1004.10 | Uh, we realized we were due for a magazine |
| 1007.10 | Yeah, I know |
| 1010.10 | Oh, it’s been kind of a little bit of time |
| 1013.10 | And this has always been one that I really loved |
| 1016.10 | Probably because it it hit right when you know in 1998 |
| 1019.10 | We’ve become super fans at this point |
| 1022.10 | >> I was trying to remember if I bought it off the stands and I had to have |
| 1025.85 | >> I bet you did |
| 1028.85 | I had to have |
| 1031.85 | Anyway, continue |
| 1034.85 | >> It’s just one of those like the photos I’m like, “Oh, they’re really cute |
| 1038.65 | ” They’re not like, “Oh, this is so important to me, the photos |
| 1041.80 | ” But I always love >> the nostalgia |
| 1044.80 | And there’s like a lot of tidbits galore as we were mentioning in this one that we really love |
| 1049.50 | Um, just a little context on top for anybody who wasn’t around in the 90s buying magazines |
| 1054.00 | >> Before we had this crappy US Weekly that we have now, prior to that, US was a really cool magazine |
| 1059.00 | Um, it was a publication from the editors of Rolling Stone and it had in always like incredible articles, these amazing photo shoots |
| 1064.00 | Like I had so many pictures on my wall from us |
| 1067.00 | They always did that Young Hollywood issue that was amazing |
| 1070.00 | >> And then in March 2000, they switched over to the Weekly, which became just like the I mean, it’s it’s crap |
| 1075.00 | It basically really quickly became like a rag mag |
| 1078.00 | And it’s like horrible quality paper and printing like these days |
| 1081.25 | >> But, you know, the the publication industry is weird |
| 1084.25 | It’s either like like that or it’s like really nice and kind of expensive, you know, like like an art magazine >> because we love paper |
| 1089.25 | >> Oh my god |
| 1092.25 | I feel like I should have this ready all the time |
| 1095.25 | >> I love paper |
| 1098.25 | >> We don’t like crappy paper as Weekly |
| 1101.25 | >> We do not |
| 1104.25 | Um, and guys, speaking out about another episode because we’re just going to reference ourselves for the rest of eternity |
| 1109.25 | Um, on episode 15, which feels like forever ago, a hundred episodes ago |
| 1112.80 | >> Ah, exactly |
| 1115.80 | That’s so cool |
| 1118.80 | >> It’s so cool |
| 1121.80 | We covered the 1997 US cover feature |
| 1124.80 | So, if you want to go back and listen to that, like >> wild that it just h we didn’t decide to do this because 100 episodes had passed |
| 1129.80 | Like anyway, so we have a couple um things just before we jump into the article |
| 1133.75 | The article was written by Joanna Schneller |
| 1136.75 | Um she interviewed Drew again in 2015 for um a Canadian uh magazine or I don’t know if it’s like a newspaper magazine |
| 1141.75 | Yeah, the Globe and Mail, but we can’t access it |
| 1144.75 | It’s behind a payw wall |
| 1147.75 | So be cool to see that considering how fun this article is, right |
| 1151.00 | >> Um, and we’ll be including lots of direct quotes from the article because it’s written in such a fun way and the author like really made an effort |
| 1156.00 | I I love that you’re describing it this way like catching Drew’s like voice like her enthusiastic way of speaking |
| 1161.00 | She’s like >> really trying to get it across like it’s fun |
| 1164.00 | So if like we’re going to read a lot but it’s fun to like read it through like look at it cuz there’s a lots of like italicizing |
| 1169.00 | I was going to say like just a little behind the scenes for you guys |
| 1172.40 | Normally when I pull direct quotes into our notes, I italicize them, but there was so many italics in this article, I couldn’t do that, so I ended up using like a highlighter instead |
| 1177.40 | [Music] >> Okay |
| 1180.40 | >> Some other credits |
| 1183.40 | The photos were done by Mark Baptiste and hair and makeup both were done by the old standby Jillian Frink, also known as Jillian Dempsey |
| 1188.40 | Um, do we want to talk a little about Jillian |
| 1191.40 | Because I I know we’ve mentioned her, but >> No, it’s fun |
| 1194.40 | It’s fun to kind of do it in in situations like this |
| 1197.40 | So, she did literally dozens of photo shoots with Drew from the mid 90s through the early 2000s |
| 1202.15 | like she was the one that was always she usually did makeup, but she sometimes would do hair as well |
| 1207.15 | Um the earliest collabs that I could find in our records, which are a little incomplete for hair styling and makeup credits, we’re working on that |
| 1212.15 | Um but they were from 1995 cuz she did the Italian Glamour, which is that like um leopard print >> uh shoot |
| 1217.15 | And then she also did Saturday morning cartoons |
| 1220.15 | So that’s really cool |
| 1223.15 | I don’t know which came first |
| 1226.15 | >> Interesting |
| 1229.15 | That’s cool |
| 1232.15 | >> I found Yeah, I found a quote where she said, “I met Drew Barrymore at a Vanity Fair shoot and she and I became fast friends |
| 1237.15 | I worked with her and traveled all over the world with her for seven or eight years, but the only Vandy Fair shoot that Drew did like in that time frame would have been 1999 |
| 1242.15 | ” So, I think she might be misremembering a little bit there, which is okay |
| 1245.90 | >> I’m wondering if it like kicked off like more of a consistent thing |
| 1249.40 | >> Yeah, I don’t know |
| 1252.40 | Or maybe they I don’t know |
| 1255.40 | They work together so much |
| 1258.40 | It’s hard to believe that like that was a turning point, but >> that must have somehow been memorable |
| 1263.40 | Like, who knows |
| 1266.40 | Um, it’s kind of a unknown fact and the only reason we know this is because it’s in her divorce papers to Tom Green, but Drew was a silent part owner of Jillian’s first beauty brand, which was called Deluxe Beauty |
| 1271.40 | So, that’s like kind of a neat thing |
| 1274.40 | We love Deluxe |
| 1277.40 | We used to go to Sephora and try it on |
| 1280.40 | I had like >> get chimpy blue |
| 1283.40 | >> Chimpy Blue with the eyeliner |
| 1286.40 | And I think I finally figured out the red lipstick I liked was called Clovis |
| 1290.20 | And they were familiar |
| 1293.20 | >> They were really nice |
| 1296.20 | Like I remember really liking those products |
| 1299.20 | >> Yeah, I feel like I had another like blue like chimpy blue and then one other like greeny one |
| 1304.00 | And I loved them so much |
| 1307.00 | >> Yeah, that that sounds familiar |
| 1310.00 | >> I remember us putting Deluxe Beauty on um it was before one of the premieres, >> the full throttle premiere |
| 1315.00 | >> Yeah, >> totally |
| 1318.00 | >> And it’s so funny |
| 1321.00 | I always forget that I met Jillian at a Sephora event on Halloween in 2004 |
| 1324.70 | I don’t know why she had an event on Halloween, but I like it must have been in Orange County |
| 1329.35 | That’s where I was living and I went there and I got to meet her |
| 1332.55 | I have a picture with her and I think I’m sure I told her I was a huge Drew fan |
| 1336.50 | She was super sweet |
| 1339.50 | So, it’s funny |
| 1342.50 | I always forget that happened and then I go, “Wait a minute |
| 1345.50 | ” >> That’s so funny |
| 1348.50 | We have a lot of those |
| 1351.50 | Like we’ve met a lot of people in Drew’s circle >> cuz we’re like I mean like when I tell the story of meeting Drew the first time and then seeing Chris and just saying like Chris like people don’t know him unless they’re paying attention to like her crew, you know |
| 1356.50 | >> Of course |
| 1359.50 | So anyway, I was trying to remember if it was Jillian in MTV Diary, which is a an incredible program that we loved, and you probably have heard us talk about it before, but there’s this hilarious little bit with like Flossy |
| 1364.50 | And did Jillian draw on the mustache and the eyebrows |
| 1367.50 | >> Yeah, they’re actually playing with the Deluxe Beauty products at that point |
| 1371.45 | >> Yeah, so they’re like they put like eyebrow they draw eyebrows on Flossy and like a little mustache |
| 1376.45 | And then Drew says, I don’t know what the context is, but she’s like, a little mustache |
| 1380.80 | Anyway, yeah, there there are a couple like funny little bits |
| 1383.85 | There are many little bits from diary that we in our personal life quote |
| 1387.45 | It just seeped into our brains |
| 1390.45 | They call uh Drew and Jillian call each other weird little elfie twins, and we definitely stole that |
| 1395.45 | >> Yeah, we definitely stole it |
| 1398.45 | Um, and then one more credit before we jump into the photos, the styling on this shoot was done by John Moore |
| 1403.45 | So, we had our kind of detour with Jillian |
| 1406.45 | We’re back to it, you guys |
| 1409.45 | Um, >> okay |
| 1412.45 | So, the photos you mentioned, they’re, you know, they’re not super exciting, but there’s a lot of nostalgia |
| 1417.45 | >> They’re very sweet and cozy, which we’ll talk about that |
| 1420.45 | Um, so they were shot in Santa Monica on the beach |
| 1423.45 | Um, and looks kind of like maybe the pier as well |
| 1426.45 | And I love your note here, like it’s on the beach, but it very much feels fall |
| 1430.35 | And I just think of I’ve been to like either Santa Monica or Venice in like the fall >> and it’s cold like the wind can be really cold |
| 1435.35 | So I’m just like like hey she’s wearing like a sweater here and yet it feels like weird |
| 1439.70 | >> Yeah, >> but you would not identify it as beach immediately |
| 1442.80 | That’s for sure |
| 1445.80 | In fact, like I think only because I’ve been there so often did I’ve at some point put it together |
| 1450.70 | Like I don’t think the magazine states it’s Santa Monica, but it’s very clearly Santa Monica if you know the area |
| 1455.70 | I could even identify one of the pictures looks like it’s done like in a parking lot right next to Shutters, which is a like famous place there |
| 1460.70 | Um >> let’s I want to just like talk about the pictures a little bit |
| 1464.10 | So I think the cover is darling |
| 1467.10 | >> I love this cover |
| 1470.10 | It’s so cute |
| 1473.10 | >> It’s so cute |
| 1476.10 | It’s a like beautiful framing of her face |
| 1479.10 | Quite close up |
| 1482.10 | She It’s It’s gorgeous |
| 1485.10 | She’s got a little smirk like >> little little Drew smirk and she’s just cozy with her sweater |
| 1489.80 | >> It’s very very adorable |
| 1492.80 | Um the photo in the credits I’ve always loved because it’s black and white |
| 1496.50 | It always feels a little bit more like I don’t know moody or something |
| 1500.00 | >> It’s definitely more moody |
| 1503.00 | She’s like in like tree branches too or something like that |
| 1506.00 | >> Or maybe >> the coloring of it is a kind of reminding me of the Mark Cigar um Rolling Stone like >> Okay |
| 1511.00 | >> black and white picture |
| 1514.00 | >> Just the coloring |
| 1517.00 | Just the coloring |
| 1520.00 | >> I see it |
| 1523.00 | >> Um and then the other like the one other picture that um I feel like this >> I feel like I had a copy of this page that has like this writing happily ever after like Drew cut out of it some point, right |
| 1528.00 | Like I’m have that, too |
| 1531.00 | That’s so funny |
| 1534.00 | I love this picture |
| 1537.00 | This is probably my favorite |
| 1540.00 | She’s hanging from these like exercise rings or I don’t know |
| 1543.00 | Gymnastics rings |
| 1546.00 | They’re right there like at Muscle Beach |
| 1549.00 | You can see the pier in the background of one of the pictures |
| 1552.05 | >> Yeah, you can see the butterfly tattoo, which I thought is fun because the last issue of us has the butterfly picture |
| 1557.05 | >> But yeah, this one’s just so playful |
| 1560.05 | Even though I think her shoes are really weird in this, uh, it’s a really cute picture |
| 1564.35 | Yeah, this it I mean kind of overall it feels like very toned down |
| 1567.65 | So like yeah, she was styled and she was like the makeup was done but she’s it’s super natural |
| 1572.35 | Superal, >> not super natural, but super natural |
| 1575.35 | Um they’re they’re really sweet and she’s basically just wearing all black |
| 1579.05 | It’s a very toned down |
| 1582.05 | Like the whole thing’s very toned down |
| 1585.05 | And I do love the last one as well where she’s like on a car in the parking lot because you can see her cross tattoo |
| 1590.05 | Did you guys know we love a tattoo peak |
| 1593.05 | Because we do |
| 1596.05 | >> We definitely do |
| 1599.05 | Um and then of course the magazine as magazines do they have like sometimes other like unrelated photos |
| 1604.05 | Um so those appear inside this |
| 1607.05 | Um like there’s a picture of is that who is that with Drew |
| 1610.05 | So yeah there’s a picture say it’s Jade >> and it Yeah |
| 1613.05 | So, there’s a picture of Drew holding hands with a woman and it says it’s Jade, but it is not |
| 1617.70 | I don’t know who it is |
| 1620.70 | I tried to like figure it out |
| 1623.70 | It was at that um Screen Actor Guild 50th anniversary thing we were just talking about offic I couldn’t figure out |
| 1628.70 | I’m like, it could just be some woman who was taking her to the stage, like helping her |
| 1633.05 | That’s true |
| 1636.05 | That’s true |
| 1639.05 | And then there’s a picture of Drew with Luke |
| 1642.05 | She kind of gets into that loveydvey thing |
| 1645.05 | And then there’s also a photo of Drew with Courtney Love and Eric Erlinson in the background |
| 1649.65 | And there’s some quotes from Courtney |
| 1652.65 | So, it’s neat that they kind of like included all these >> relevant things, but unfortunately we’re wrong about Jade |
| 1657.65 | That’s a bummer |
| 1660.65 | Um, there are a lot of outtakes from this photo shoot, which is exciting |
| 1664.25 | Um, they’ve been available over the years through photo agencies |
| 1667.45 | And then also other magazines printed them |
| 1670.45 | Um, especially the 17 from December 1999 cover and feature on Drew featured some of these and including those like kind of amusement park looking ones where it looks like she’s on a ride of some sort |
| 1675.45 | I tried to find the ride |
| 1678.45 | I didn’t have any luck |
| 1681.45 | But yeah, there’s some really cool out takes |
| 1684.45 | I feel like we do have like a full a full page of one of these out takes that’s like from a foreign magazine or something |
| 1689.45 | I had for I had forgot or just haven’t thought about for a while that these it was used as a cover for 17 like a year after |
| 1694.45 | >> Yeah, >> cheating |
| 1697.45 | >> Um but they at least they printed like all different ones |
| 1700.45 | >> That’s true |
| 1703.45 | >> That’s the good thing |
| 1706.45 | >> I’ll give him that |
| 1709.45 | [Music] >> All right |
| 1712.45 | Are you ready for the article |
| 1715.45 | The main reason we’re here, guys |
| 1718.45 | >> Yeah, absolutely |
| 1721.45 | >> As Ann mentioned, the article is called Happily Ever After, and it’s got that classic us font that it’s like put in on the page, which I love |
| 1726.45 | >> Kind of blocky |
| 1729.45 | >> Blocky angled |
| 1732.45 | >> And the by line, which we always kind of like to put this at the top because it tells us what’s to come, >> is after a rocky start as a movie star, she was an alcoholic at age nine |
| 1737.45 | Drew Barrymore has come up smelling like ivory soap and looking like a slice of pink and yellow birthday cake |
| 1742.45 | Of course, there is that little matter of a family curse |
| 1745.45 | Dot dot dot |
| 1748.45 | It’s like ominous at the end |
| 1751.45 | I like But I that birthday cake thing I I mentioned in our last uh episode at the end when we were talking about this article like I’ve always remembered that birthday cake thing |
| 1756.45 | I think we even used that |
| 1759.45 | Remember how on the old version of the Drew, we used to put a little quote >> about true and I think that was one of them once |
| 1764.45 | >> I bet I bet we did because that would have made a perfect little image |
| 1768.10 | We used to put like the image of whatever the descriptive thing was |
| 1771.45 | >> Um, okay |
| 1774.45 | So, the article opens with Drew exclaiming that she’s always wanted to have head lice, which is like so silly, but it was all because she was thought it would be a great excuse to get out of school cuz like you know, every kid who gets lice, you don’t want to give it to other kids |
| 1779.45 | We know how to hilarious about school as a child |
| 1782.45 | It’s just a funny It’s a funny introduction to how kind of random Drew can be also |
| 1786.55 | >> Um and then Drew stops to gush gratitude to the waiter who’s just brought her iced tea |
| 1791.00 | We know she is a fiend for the iced tea |
| 1794.00 | And this is the first kind of quote of her |
| 1797.00 | She says, “All I want in life is a cold drink |
| 1800.00 | ” She drinks and makes enthusiastic ooh uh ah noises |
| 1803.00 | So then she goes on to like coming back to the headlice |
| 1806.00 | She says her karma is probably going to be that she’s going to get lice later in life and she’ll have to suffer |
| 1811.00 | >> Before you get into these quotes, like I love that the writer says that Drew quote launches headlong into everything including these stories |
| 1816.00 | But it’s like yes she does when she like goes she goes like full in |
| 1819.35 | So, she talks about getting allergic reactions when she was first meeting with uh who we know to be Wayne Maer, who was the photographer of the guest campaign |
| 1824.35 | And then again, more recently while she was doing Ever After Press and she says both times she was covered with hideous like blotches like a puffer fish that has acne or something |
| 1829.35 | >> You know those cool little isms that we do |
| 1832.35 | >> Sometimes I feel like a puffer fish with acne |
| 1835.35 | I totally get that |
| 1838.35 | >> The way that Drew describes things are accurate descriptions and that’s one of the reasons why it’s so great |
| 1843.35 | Like they make us laugh and feel what she’s trying to describe |
| 1846.45 | It’s so great |
| 1849.45 | >> So, um Drew also shares that um spontaneous changes like those from allergic reactions freak out because like gradual ones are okay |
| 1854.45 | like suddenly finding that she likes jalapenos or getting her hair done or like the Grateful Dead and exercise |
| 1859.45 | >> Yeah, she’s like like these changes are fine when I’m like ch my tastes are changing versus like your body’s being puffy |
| 1864.45 | What a funny description |
| 1867.45 | >> Um and I then at the after this kind of flurry of stories |
| 1870.45 | I like that the article says that Drew quote sucks in a headful of iced tea |
| 1874.20 | She beams at me |
| 1877.20 | I have known her for five minutes |
| 1880.20 | If that doesn’t accurately sum up meeting Drew or hanging out with Drew, even if you don’t really know her, >> yeah, I don’t know what does |
| 1885.20 | It’s so good |
| 1888.20 | >> Okay, so I had to pull this whole paragraph because we always love We always love these when in the article it like sets the scene |
| 1893.20 | Where are they |
| 1896.20 | What is she wearing |
| 1899.20 | Um, this one does it so masterfully |
| 1902.20 | Joanna, way to go |
| 1905.20 | >> I love it |
| 1908.20 | So, she says, “On this August day on a tiny restaurant patio in West Hollywood, Drew Barry Moore, 23, is wearing a blue button-down shirt, beat up khakis, and clunky funny shoes |
| 1913.20 | When she’s not playing with her hair, she tucks it behind her ears, each of which sports five earring holes, all empty |
| 1918.20 | She smells like ivory soap |
| 1921.20 | Drafts of clean air wash over me as she leans forward or sits back |
| 1924.50 | She looks like a college junior |
| 1927.50 | not the new kid anymore, but not quite ready to graduate |
| 1930.50 | She looks like a big happy slice of pink and yellow birthday cake |
| 1933.75 | She looks for possibly the first time in her 22year career her age, which is like, yeah, it’s funny |
| 1938.70 | Like, I still can’t look at her in 1998 and be like, she looks like a college kid, but she could have been |
| 1943.70 | Like, she >> Right |
| 1946.70 | It’s kind of weird |
| 1949.70 | Like I feel like she’s 22, but I’m also like I could be convinced even though I know Drew so well, like >> she looks like she’s 28 or like when I think about her career and everything she was doing at this point, like she’s only 22 |
| 1954.70 | Like we’re always doing that |
| 1957.70 | >> And I love that you pulled a couple of examples of like what the outfit that she was describing might have been like because we have such an archive of Drew’s like appearances and everything that we, you know, we can kind of look like this is when this is what it done |
| 1962.70 | We have pictures from August 98 of her in blue button-up shirts |
| 1965.85 | So, we’ll share some of those in the gallery |
| 1968.85 | >> And I was trying to think of what like chunky funny shoes we she would have been wearing |
| 1973.40 | Like, I don’t know |
| 1976.40 | I can’t think of like I all I can think of is like 99 like those like Adidas sandals or something, you know, like >> Yeah, it could be those |
| 1981.40 | >> Anyway, so this is another kind of funny description of the way Drew talks |
| 1985.25 | So, the writer observes that Drew talks in stream of consciousness sentences that Drew refers to as quote verbal waterfall syndrome |
| 1990.25 | Feels kind of like Drewism adjacent again |
| 1993.25 | >> I feel like we need to use that more |
| 1996.25 | She definitely has that |
| 1999.25 | >> I think so, too |
| 2002.25 | >> It just like gushes out of her |
| 2005.25 | >> Flagging that one |
| 2008.25 | >> But then Joanna points out that Drew is not to be underestimated because she has a light inside of her and she lets that light shine |
| 2013.25 | And guess what |
| 2016.25 | Someone called Drew a light, take a drink, guys |
| 2019.25 | >> It is no surprise that she is described this way, guys |
| 2022.25 | If you know anything about her, she is a light |
| 2025.25 | So, so then the article goes on to explain |
| 2028.25 | It says, “Everyone who knows her loves her |
| 2031.25 | ” The writer is told things like, “She’s a tireless philanthropist, a sponge who soaks up information, a vegetarian, an animal rights activist, an advocate for safe sex and optimism |
| 2036.25 | She has a little man in her, quote unquote, her father used to say |
| 2039.55 | She’s adorable, meaning you can’t not adore her |
| 2042.55 | She’s an honest to God hippie |
| 2045.55 | A ball of warm golden love |
| 2048.55 | Guys, this is another son |
| 2051.55 | Take another drink |
| 2054.55 | I love that one |
| 2057.55 | A ball of warm golden love |
| 2060.55 | That’s our girl |
| 2063.55 | >> So, we get some quotes from some of the people |
| 2066.55 | I love that this um author like went and talked to a bunch of people who know her |
| 2070.60 | So Andy Tenant, who of course is a director of the Amy Fischer story and Ever After, >> love this quote |
| 2075.60 | He said, “She’s a pinball |
| 2078.60 | Bang, bang, bang |
| 2081.60 | There’s so much life to live right now |
| 2084.60 | Today, by 10, it’s infectious |
| 2087.60 | You start to think that anything is possible |
| 2090.60 | ” >> Yes, >> yes |
| 2093.60 | And then Edward Norton said, “She is one of the very few people I know who has a sincere and self-motivated desire to give energy back to other people |
| 2098.60 | ” >> Oh, that’s so true |
| 2101.60 | I just have like one thought about that |
| 2104.60 | I was like, well, probably leaving like not a lot for herself |
| 2107.65 | >> Well, we know that |
| 2110.65 | >> I kind of get >> she’s the lowest priority on the rung |
| 2113.65 | We know that |
| 2116.65 | Um, >> she’s getting better |
| 2119.65 | >> Yeah, she’s getting better |
| 2122.65 | And then Courtney Love, who was a good friend at the time, says, “She really does not have a bad bone in her body |
| 2127.65 | She is non-malevolent |
| 2130.65 | She’s like a sister to me, somebody I would really fight to protect |
| 2134.00 | ” And she brings that out in all sorts of people |
| 2137.00 | >> That’s so true, too |
| 2140.00 | People want to protect her |
| 2143.00 | Is that what Whoopy Goldberg or or um >> Oh, Mary Louise Parker said that |
| 2146.65 | I >> think something like you want to just take care of her like everyone something like that >> or watch out for her |
| 2151.65 | Something to that effect |
| 2154.65 | Like Drew brings that out |
| 2157.65 | >> Definitely |
| 2160.65 | >> Um >> and the writer notes how strangers come up to Drew every single day, of course, but there’s a couple like kind of fun examples |
| 2165.65 | So, uh, it says Carla Hacken, who was the senior vice president at Fox 2000, um, tells a story of at least seven people coming to their table during a dinner, and she said Drew was so nice to every person, so unruffled, and each time she was able to go directly back to our conversation |
| 2170.65 | Like, as I was saying, my take on the script, she handled it with such grace and poise |
| 2174.95 | She was so adult |
| 2177.95 | I can totally envision it |
| 2180.95 | Like, you can totally see that, >> right |
| 2183.95 | She does it like on her show like she can just be talking to someone in the audience and then turn around and like go into professional mode |
| 2188.95 | >> And I love this |
| 2191.95 | There’s also another really brief story about a lady working behind the counter at McDonald’s in New Jersey who burst into tears when Drew walked in |
| 2196.95 | And then it says, “Drew being Drew cried right along with her |
| 2200.00 | ” I always loved that line so much |
| 2203.00 | It’s so It’s so true |
| 2206.00 | >> I loved my idea making Drew cry |
| 2209.00 | We’ve done it |
| 2212.00 | We’re so good at it |
| 2215.00 | So, there’s some fun notes on Drew |
| 2218.00 | Why Drew says she loves acting |
| 2221.00 | So, she says, “The character I’m playing now loves chocolate and I hate chocolate |
| 2225.05 | I would rather barf than eat chocolate, but how much fun is it to play someone who loves chocolate |
| 2229.95 | ” So, can I can I interject and be like, I don’t know, but I have to think of Josie Geller |
| 2234.45 | It has to be who she was talking about eating the brownie at the club |
| 2237.90 | >> Loves chocolate |
| 2240.90 | Um, and then she gives another example |
| 2243.90 | She says, “Or an ever after when I’m dealing with pain with my stepmother |
| 2247.55 | ” And yeah, I totally think of my own life and how much I am in need to have the conver that conversation with my own mother |
| 2252.55 | >> And in Scream, she said in Scream, when I was 3 years old, something really weird happened where a man tried to break into my house and I was there alone and it changed the way I slept forever |
| 2257.55 | You were there alone at three |
| 2260.55 | And also, what the hell |
| 2263.55 | >> What the hell |
| 2266.55 | >> 70s, >> right |
| 2269.55 | And then she says, “And Julia, oh my god, Julia from The Wedding Singer, she is the woman that I long to be |
| 2274.55 | The perfect girl |
| 2277.55 | She is so easy |
| 2280.55 | She is so not complex |
| 2283.55 | I love that |
| 2286.55 | ” And then like the writer notes that Drew will never not be complex because she thinks way too much |
| 2291.55 | >> Oh, I like that |
| 2294.55 | So, the article kind of runs down Drew’s former badg girl movie roles, which we we all are familiar with, and how she’s moved away from that |
| 2299.55 | And there’s a fun quote from Nancy Javon, who of course is her partner in Flower Films |
| 2303.85 | >> Nancy says, “We used to say we had a mandate against Wild Girl Parts |
| 2307.40 | Now we just say we don’t love them, unless of course it’s the best trailer park script ever |
| 2311.95 | ” Nancy, I love that so much |
| 2314.95 | I mean, I’d be here for Drew playing a trailer park slit again |
| 2318.05 | Okay, so the the article does get into the early days of Flower Films, which was started in 1995 |
| 2322.85 | It says, “With a laptop computer and a notebook full of phone numbers, and it says that um it mentions their 1996 RV trip, which we mentioned recently because there was some tidbit |
| 2327.85 | Do you remember what it was |
| 2330.85 | ” >> Oh, yeah |
| 2333.85 | Um >> Oh, the pot |
| 2336.85 | leaving in a hotel room |
| 2339.85 | >> Oh, yeah |
| 2342.85 | That’s right |
| 2345.85 | In New Orleans |
| 2348.85 | So, she mentions that trip to the RV trip in 1986 |
| 2351.85 | Um that that she took with Nancy and they would she said they would record ideas that they had like where are those tapes |
| 2356.85 | >> Oh my god |
| 2359.85 | >> Like they’re probably gone |
| 2362.85 | But how cool would that be to just have like them like >> like spewing their own ideas |
| 2367.15 | >> Flower Films archives |
| 2370.15 | I know who’s doing it |
| 2373.15 | We should be doing it |
| 2376.15 | But now we’re in 1998 and they are a full-fledged company |
| 2379.15 | At that time they had an all female staff and a projects in development and it’s kind of wild cuz like their first official production hadn’t even come out yet when this article was out |
| 2384.15 | It’s really neat |
| 2387.15 | >> Kind of cool |
| 2390.15 | >> Um the description of their offices love because we have been lucky enough to see this on mostly on MTV diary |
| 2395.15 | Um, so this description, their offices on Sunset Boulevard in West Hollywood are MTV meets romper room |
| 2400.15 | The walls painted yellow and green and midnight blue and decorated with photos and movie posters and an amusingly large 45 RPM record of Yellow Submarine |
| 2405.15 | And I went and was able to pull like a screen cap of it |
| 2408.15 | Um because there is that tiny little bit of like diary footage on YouTube and when they show it, Drew says she points to it and says because you have to have the Beatles everywhere |
| 2413.15 | I thought that was fun |
| 2416.15 | >> It’s really cute |
| 2419.15 | We love again like descriptions of spacesh why why do we love them so much |
| 2422.85 | because we love her and there’s always like fun details like you know I feel like this was making me think of like >> they were talking about her house in like 95 and how there were like rooms painted all these bright colors and like >> yes >> it’s just so Drew so anyway and we know that she’s made her offices fun like that was something that she did um >> so she notes that in September they had wrapped principal photography for never been kissed um the Fox executive vice president Kevin McCormack said three years that’s record time |
| 2427.85 | The deal works because Drew knows the audience she wants to reach |
| 2431.10 | And I love that like it says kind of after this that Courtney Love is quoted as saying Drew knows her face, which is so true |
| 2436.10 | Like she >> she knows the power of being Drew even though she doesn’t understand herself as Drew Barrymore |
| 2441.10 | >> That’s interesting |
| 2444.10 | What a weird life to be famous like that |
| 2447.10 | >> To be like so famous like to be iconic from the time you’re like Todd Gold said like iconic since Gertie |
| 2452.10 | Um, and then Nancy says, “When I first met her, I used to say she was an eight-year-old boy and a 40-year-old woman in the same body |
| 2457.10 | Now I see a mature young businesswoman who is not only looking after her own best interests, but also has a lot of serious people asking that she look after their best interests, too |
| 2462.10 | ” And she’s doing it |
| 2465.10 | >> Hell yeah |
| 2468.10 | A little bit more about Never Been Kissed |
| 2471.10 | So, Fox originally wanted to cast a very stereotypically unattractive actress and Drew had tried to convince them that it’s not her appearance that makes her different from everyone else |
| 2476.10 | Um, and yeah, this is so silly because we know that when Drew was kind of dressing herself down to play Josie Gross, the the studio was like, “No, you can’t be like >> too far |
| 2481.10 | No, you can’t let you can’t do that to Drew Barrymore |
| 2484.10 | ” >> God, it’s like you can’t satisfy them |
| 2487.10 | Um and then the um vice president Kevin McGormick, he said um Drew kept talking about a caterpillar who turns into a butterfly, which is a story she connects to |
| 2492.10 | Yeah, she does |
| 2495.10 | >> A that’s really cool |
| 2498.10 | I like that |
| 2501.10 | >> Yeah, it is |
| 2504.10 | >> I also like that she I mean Josie Grossy is definitely quote unquote like unattractively styled, but Josie Geller present day isn’t like >> horrible looking |
| 2509.10 | So I love that |
| 2512.10 | like Drew kind of >> awkward |
| 2515.10 | It’s not just that she looks a certain way |
| 2518.10 | So, she just like doesn’t get it |
| 2521.10 | She doesn’t know how to be cool |
| 2524.10 | >> She’s out of touch |
| 2527.10 | So, we get the usual rundown of the Barrymore history and how very young Drew followed in their footsteps with addictions, of course |
| 2532.10 | And you know where to go for more of that |
| 2535.10 | >> If you want to know more about that, >> go to our Patreon for our little girl loss breakdown |
| 2539.85 | [Laughter] >> Yeah, we have 16 exclusive episodes about how all that went down |
| 2543.75 | And then of course we get like the same old background on her parents |
| 2547.20 | Uh Jade taking her to clubs as a child |
| 2550.20 | I did like this little anecdote |
| 2553.20 | Yeah, me too |
| 2556.20 | Apparently, Gary Buucy, who was on the same party circuit, nicknamed Drew the Badger because she was shorter than everyone else, moved faster, and darted around close to the ground |
| 2561.20 | >> Gary Buucy |
| 2564.20 | >> I mean, Gary Buucy is is kind of a cook, so I love that |
| 2567.20 | So, as usual, Drew does not blame her parents for what happened |
| 2570.35 | This is a this is a constant |
| 2573.35 | Uh, she said her parents had problems of their own |
| 2576.35 | She said, “I learned early on that my family as far as my mother and father were not an option |
| 2581.05 | ” Once again, like this is said explicitly in Little Girl Loss |
| 2584.15 | Like she has epiphany with her father, like he’s not he can’t be a father and then with her mother, she can’t be >> a mother |
| 2589.15 | Like >> crazy |
| 2592.15 | >> Um, she lists her hard air quotes godparents, Anna Strawber and Steven Spielberg |
| 2596.30 | And the reason I’m saying that is because people think that she was like born into this privilege and that she grew up with them |
| 2601.30 | That’s not that’s not the case |
| 2604.30 | They became honorary paternal and maternal figures in her life |
| 2607.40 | >> Um so she lists them as people who quote had dreams and saw them through but didn’t hurt people along the way |
| 2612.40 | And that was the greatest lesson |
| 2615.40 | You can make your destiny be this amazing entity but you don’t have to people over |
| 2619.50 | >> That’s so true |
| 2622.50 | Like that was a real life takeaway |
| 2625.50 | And then of course she like laughs about the story about Steven Spielberg covering up all her Playboy pictures with superimposed clothes |
| 2630.50 | She said she loved it because it was funny and fatherly but it didn’t make her feel bad like it wasn’t like guilting her |
| 2635.50 | >> Yeah, totally |
| 2638.50 | Um and then she has a lot of nice things about to say about co-stars that she had in the past |
| 2643.15 | So she’s adopted as family periodically |
| 2646.15 | Like she’s had many of these work families |
| 2649.15 | many um but she talked about Goldie Han and Whoopi Goldberg and then she talked about Jeff Bridges and I just liked the Jeff Bridges thing because it wasn’t so long ago that he was on the show and she >> Yes |
| 2654.15 | It was a very similar thing that she said to him, >> like paternal, like she was like she always felt like he was like fatherly |
| 2659.15 | So she said that he was so kind on the set like kept her grounded when it was a super strange time in her life and I hadn’t really really thought about like she was 13 >> and going through the New York club time for her |
| 2664.15 | So I’m glad I was like remembering right that like she they did talk about that kind of paternal thing and it was it was sweet |
| 2669.15 | It was kind of sweet to see them on the show and like >> it was really good one |
| 2673.10 | >> There was some tenderness |
| 2676.10 | But anyway, one of those many examples where Drew has like found sort of a fatherly figure, a family figure on a set |
| 2681.10 | >> Examples |
| 2684.10 | I think we want to do an episode on that eventually |
| 2687.10 | But anyways, as far as her actual biological parents at this point, she doesn’t see Jade by choice |
| 2692.00 | And John sometimes lives in an apartment above her garage, which is like exactly what she was just telling Bill Maher |
| 2697.00 | >> And that he was coming and going without her knowledge |
| 2700.00 | And she says, quote, “At times it’s painful, and at times I’m so at one with it |
| 2703.95 | And that’s taken me a lot of years |
| 2706.95 | It’s taken me a lot of therapy |
| 2709.95 | ” Aka call back to Little Girl Lost |
| 2712.95 | So, I love that this next part is sort of like, why does this work |
| 2716.25 | Like, why is this girl so lovable and why is she not annoying |
| 2719.30 | Like, it could be annoying how she is, but she’s not |
| 2722.30 | She pulls it off |
| 2725.30 | So, it describes this is at one point Drew actually says to the author, “It’s nice when you get a cold |
| 2730.30 | It makes you appreciate being healthy so much |
| 2733.30 | ” And I nod enthusiastically |
| 2736.30 | >> I like that |
| 2739.30 | Nod enthusiastically is italicized |
| 2742.30 | Like the author almost can’t believe that she’s like going along with this, >> right |
| 2746.50 | >> But it’s so true |
| 2749.50 | I’ve said that so many times |
| 2752.50 | I know I got it from this article, but it’s so true |
| 2755.50 | When you can freaking breathe after your nose is stuffed up, you’re just like, “Oh my god, what a gift |
| 2760.50 | ” >> Well, I I feel like I think about that when I have like a foot or like a hand that hurts and I’m like, “Oh, I so like need this so much that it makes you appreciate like not having it suddenly |
| 2765.50 | ” >> Totally |
| 2768.50 | Anyway, um the home price director Dean Pariso thinks it’s because he says Drew genuinely likes people |
| 2773.50 | She looks at you and finds something that she likes rather than something she doesn’t |
| 2777.75 | >> That’s so true |
| 2780.75 | Even to this day, like sometimes she has people on her show where I’m like they’re a little problematic or whatever and she like has nothing but positive things |
| 2785.75 | And then we get this really great part from Courtney Love |
| 2788.75 | So, she says she loves that Drew is self-made and makes it makes Courtney appreciate the simpler things in life |
| 2793.75 | And then here’s this great story |
| 2796.75 | It says, “One night, love threw open Barry Moore’s closet, surveyed its jumbled, shiny, floaty, floral, and butterfied contents and said, “This has got to stop |
| 2801.75 | I can get you fabulous gowns, anything you want |
| 2804.75 | ” Barrymore said, “I don’t want any gowns as long as I wear flowers in my hair |
| 2808.65 | ” And Love said, “But Drew, then you don’t get the best dress |
| 2811.70 | ” Yes, Barrymore replied |
| 2814.70 | But you get the best soul |
| 2817.70 | That is so like I feel like in certain instances if someone said it, I’d be like, “Oh god |
| 2822.15 | ” But I’m like, “Yes, >> that’s the author’s point though |
| 2825.15 | Like why are we not annoyed by this |
| 2828.15 | It’s so loveydvey golden ball of love |
| 2831.15 | ” But it’s like amazing |
| 2834.15 | >> It is her |
| 2837.15 | That’s like somehow that actually is her |
| 2840.15 | So, we mentioned there’s a Drew love segment, but we got to get into the Drew hate segment, which comes first |
| 2845.15 | So, >> I hate it, right |
| 2848.15 | >> We love when Drew hates, >> right |
| 2851.15 | So, here we go |
| 2854.15 | So, this uh we’ve got flies |
| 2857.15 | She said they come and vomit on your food |
| 2860.15 | And by the way, they’re probably just sitting on a steaming pile of poo |
| 2863.70 | >> I hate flies, too |
| 2866.70 | >> I mean, yeah, when you think about that, for sure |
| 2869.70 | And then she hates being angry |
| 2872.70 | She says it’s a real waste of time |
| 2875.70 | Uh she hates when people talk |
| 2878.70 | And she hates when toilet paper comes off of a roll one square at a time |
| 2882.30 | And she says you can’t do anything with it |
| 2885.30 | I can so see her saying all of this |
| 2888.30 | So we’re going to jump into Drew Loves |
| 2891.30 | >> I love love |
| 2894.30 | >> All right |
| 2897.30 | Secondary Drew Love section |
| 2900.30 | Drew loves macaroni and cheese, sleeping late, watching movies in bed while eating macaroni and cheese |
| 2905.30 | The Otis reading song, That’s how strong my love is |
| 2908.30 | Children, quote, I long to have a family, she says |
| 2911.30 | Therapy, making up words |
| 2914.30 | And here are some examples |
| 2917.30 | Karmatic, horrification, and questionative |
| 2920.30 | She loves taking long drives and sticking her head out of the window like a dog |
| 2924.25 | >> Of course she does |
| 2927.25 | And she loves telling people that they have food caught between their teeth or gunk in their eye |
| 2932.05 | Quote, “You have to tell the person |
| 2935.05 | Don’t leave them hanging that way |
| 2938.05 | It’s just human stuff |
| 2941.05 | There’s nothing gross or wrong with it |
| 2944.05 | You’ve got to watch each other’s back |
| 2947.05 | ” Passionate |
| 2950.05 | Very passionate |
| 2953.05 | So, we’re there’s some more lovey lovey guys, you know what she loves more than anything |
| 2957.45 | >> I love love love |
| 2960.45 | >> So, specifically about Luke, Luke Wilson |
| 2963.45 | Um, he’s the greatest person I’ve ever met |
| 2966.45 | Everything I do, I think about how it affects him |
| 2969.45 | >> And the the article says that Wilson is a nice guy |
| 2972.45 | People say calm, understanding, reliable, and says he’s good for Barrymore |
| 2976.15 | >> Oh, he really was |
| 2979.15 | And uh there’s another quote from Luke |
| 2982.15 | It says, “I just asked her out |
| 2985.15 | It just seemed natural |
| 2988.15 | She makes you feel that at ease |
| 2991.15 | She makes so much of an effort in her dealings with people |
| 2994.15 | She’s so smart and funny and ready to laugh |
| 2997.15 | She has a way of making you forget all the stuff you may have heard or read about her |
| 3001.40 | ” >> Oh, that’s so true |
| 3004.40 | Um and then there’s a little more tidbit here |
| 3007.40 | So, it says, “Drew will be spending her third Christmas with Luke’s family in Texas |
| 3011.55 | ” And Luke talks about how nervous she was the first time |
| 3014.55 | And he said, “I remember thinking, how could this, if all things make you nervous, and then I realized maybe she wasn’t used to this |
| 3019.55 | Maybe it made her think about her own family, and she loved it, but it also made her a little sad |
| 3024.40 | ” And I just I mean there’s all that that’s like you know she like had that kind of healing thing with like Luke’s family and then I feel NY’s family right there was >> I mean Eric’s family before that like true >> this is a pattern for her Tom’s family later Will’s family later |
| 3029.40 | >> That’s true |
| 3032.40 | I mean I I like to picture in this case like Drew hanging out with like Luke Wilson and then her his brothers like Owen and Andrew like at Christmas time |
| 3037.40 | It’s kind of funny because the article doesn’t talk about he also has these brothers |
| 3041.60 | I also remember her talking about being at I think it was the first Thanksgiving with his family and she was so nervous that she was holding a plate of food and accidentally it >> No, she was holding it like close to her chest and ended up getting it all over her shirt |
| 3046.60 | >> That sounds familiar |
| 3049.60 | >> That’s so like classic Drew, right |
| 3052.60 | So, we get into truth’s kind of like agelessness, which is some a theme of the podcast for sure |
| 3057.35 | We talk about con totally |
| 3060.35 | >> So, there is mention of her emancipation |
| 3063.35 | It literally says at age 15, thank you |
| 3066.35 | Just backing up my research from last episode |
| 3069.35 | >> And Drew says, quote, “The judge said he couldn’t turn back the clock |
| 3072.95 | He could only turn it forward |
| 3075.95 | ” I remember thinking, “Thank God |
| 3078.95 | I don’t want to go back there |
| 3081.95 | I just knew I am all of my responsibility and I liked that feeling which is pretty cool |
| 3086.30 | And then her longtime friend Justine Badley said of Drew |
| 3089.30 | Drew has always been not older than her years but the right age in Drew years |
| 3093.15 | It’s like dog years |
| 3096.15 | It says she was the same person she is now when she was 13 |
| 3099.15 | The same great values |
| 3102.15 | Lately she’s just let go of the less useful ones |
| 3105.15 | >> That’s really cool |
| 3108.15 | Yeah, it is |
| 3111.15 | And I I also wondered the same thing because uh Justine says that she’s 12 years older than Drew |
| 3115.95 | >> And they we know they’ve known each other since Drew was a teenager |
| 3119.45 | So, I don’t think I realized that she was like basically twice her age maybe when they met |
| 3123.95 | That’s >> really interesting |
| 3126.95 | I would love to know the story there |
| 3129.95 | Later on, if you guys don’t know, she would go on to become a casting director of a lot of Flower Films movies, which is really neat |
| 3134.95 | >> Um, okay, then |
| 3137.95 | I love this part |
| 3140.95 | >> So, we’re talking about Drew’s house |
| 3143.95 | It says it’s her first |
| 3146.95 | She bought her first home, but I’m like, that’s not true because we know you just mentioned the one on Martell from 1995 and the beautiful description |
| 3151.95 | >> Yeah, the one that had all the painted walls |
| 3154.95 | >> Yeah, that’s okay |
| 3157.95 | Okay, so we’re talking about the house on Cherokee Lane |
| 3160.95 | This is the one that sadly would later burn down |
| 3163.95 | We It’s funny, we were just talking about this, too, because Bill Maher like owns that property now |
| 3168.90 | >> So, it says that she got this house after some time hopping around between hotels and short-term rentals |
| 3173.90 | So that’s kind of wild |
| 3176.90 | Like what h why wasn’t she just living in Martell |
| 3179.90 | >> Yeah, good question |
| 3182.90 | >> So here’s this fantastic description of this house |
| 3185.90 | And if you guys, you probably seen a little bit of this house because it was featured in InStyle |
| 3190.70 | It had done a whole feature on it in 1999, which we have an episode about that too, actually |
| 3195.30 | >> Yes, we do |
| 3198.30 | >> So it says it’s a solar heated recycled cedar treehouse of a house in Cold Water Canyon |
| 3202.80 | >> The ceilings are high |
| 3205.80 | The windows are always open |
| 3208.80 | Recycled water circulates outside for the local fauna and the profusion of citrus trees and frondy flora |
| 3213.80 | There’s a tiki bar deck with a thatched roof, a sunken yoga studio, a screening room with comfy sectional sofas |
| 3218.80 | So, at least we know the screening room and the yoga studio and the tiki bar all still exist |
| 3223.40 | Those didn’t burn down |
| 3226.40 | At least there’s that |
| 3229.40 | >> That’s true |
| 3232.40 | >> Thanks, Bill |
| 3235.40 | And this is neat |
| 3238.40 | We’ve got like quotes from other people about her home |
| 3241.40 | It is fun that that this this um author Joanna like went and kind of like you said like talked to people about her |
| 3246.40 | >> So Nancy said about the house |
| 3249.40 | It sounds opulent, but it’s not the le it’s not the least bit fancy |
| 3252.75 | It’s very home sweet home |
| 3255.75 | It’s the kind of place where cobwebs look beautiful |
| 3258.75 | That’s totally how I always imagined it |
| 3261.75 | >> I love it |
| 3264.75 | And then it says Luke’s favorite room is the kitchen |
| 3267.75 | There’s a junky old boom box and daisies |
| 3270.75 | Always lots of daisies |
| 3273.75 | It says Drew is a good cook, which is kind of a funny thing |
| 3276.75 | So, Drew is never considered a good cook, especially then |
| 3279.75 | Anyway, totally |
| 3282.75 | >> He says, “If you’re hungry, she’ll make you something |
| 3285.75 | ” Which to me is a good cook |
| 3288.75 | >> And that’s so funny because when he was recently on the Drew Barrymore show, she’s like, “What is like your favorite memory of our time together |
| 3293.75 | ” And he says he loved that she would make her I think it was breakfast tacos |
| 3297.60 | And I remember when he said that also thinking like, “Oh, I thought she like didn’t really cook back then |
| 3302.60 | ” So that must have really had an impact on Luke |
| 3305.60 | He must have really liked those burritos or tacos |
| 3308.60 | But yeah, it’s kind of funny |
| 3311.60 | So then there’s like this kind of random pivot where Drew says that some of her friends from her teen years are either dead or hooked on drugs |
| 3316.60 | And I was, it’s kind of funny because I remember when we talked to Todd Gold, he was sort of saying, I wonder what happened to these other kids that she was with |
| 3321.60 | There we go |
| 3324.60 | And Drew says, quote, “And they find this glamour in self-sabotage |
| 3327.90 | It confuses me to no end |
| 3330.90 | I don’t see the glory in it |
| 3333.90 | I just see the sadness |
| 3336.90 | ” >> Which is really sweet |
| 3339.90 | Um, so she says that when she was younger, she was always like looking for the fun, which I mean that’s exactly what Little Girl Lost is about |
| 3344.90 | But now she can just make fun in everything that she does |
| 3347.90 | So I love that she says >> I could be standing in a taco line and I’m like and then the author says here she mimics grinding her hips and singonging |
| 3352.90 | I’m getting a taco |
| 3355.90 | I’m getting a taco |
| 3358.90 | Next she mimics meeting someone’s eye being caught out |
| 3361.90 | I guess I’m excited |
| 3364.90 | You know, I used to make fun of adults that I thought were dorks |
| 3368.10 | If I saw a guy singing I’m getting a taco, I’d be like what a dork |
| 3371.40 | Now I’m that guy and I’m loving it |
| 3374.40 | So watch out because whatever you make fun of is gonna come and bite you in the ass |
| 3378.55 | I can totally like >> Oh, >> she dances about food on her show all the time |
| 3382.30 | Like it’s so cute |
| 3385.30 | It’s so cute |
| 3388.30 | >> Shaking her butt maybe a little bit |
| 3391.30 | It’s like making my cheeks hurt |
| 3394.30 | It’s so cute |
| 3397.30 | Okay, so now we’re going to get into some of the recent films um at the time |
| 3401.10 | So the author writes about her um recent film choices that seemed like kind of all over the map, but at this it says, “But at the center of each is the same beating heart, Barrymore, playing a good woman who insists upon seeing the good in others playing that is herself |
| 3406.10 | ” >> That’s sweet |
| 3409.10 | >> It’s sweet because because she talks about like admiring some of these characters when like Yeah |
| 3414.05 | It’s like the kindness of her that works |
| 3417.05 | Um, it says that even though her characters are often disappointed by life, they remain optimistic and look for the good |
| 3422.05 | That’s such a cool like throughine to see |
| 3425.05 | Like the article does like get into which examples they’re talking about, but it it’s really very true |
| 3430.05 | Like >> most of her characters have something that’s I mean it’s a movie, right |
| 3434.00 | So there’s going to be like obstacles or things they have to overcome, but her characters always are like optimistic and persevering |
| 3439.00 | She had had like a kind of a trend of these especially at this time, right |
| 3442.70 | >> So, the author tells Drew that many of these films seem to be about forgiveness and Drew strongly agrees with this |
| 3447.70 | She says, quote, “I don’t know who or what I would be forgiving, and maybe it’s myself |
| 3452.00 | I’m always trying to not be so hard on myself |
| 3455.00 | Take a drink for that, too, guys |
| 3458.00 | ” But I don’t feel any awkwardness or bitterness towards my life |
| 3461.20 | And I really like playing characters who feel that way, who aren’t burdened by what’s existed in their past and know how to make their pain into their strength |
| 3466.20 | Oh my god, that’s like 100% her |
| 3469.20 | >> Making her pain into her strength is 100% what she’s done |
| 3472.20 | >> Um, she it says she understands that life will always include pain and thinks we should get into it and feel it |
| 3477.20 | She said, “But I want us all to be able to get past it |
| 3480.20 | Do you want to lug a 40 lb suitcase of steaming stinking around all day or do you want to kick the bag and get rid of it |
| 3485.20 | >> Kick the bag, man |
| 3488.20 | We know that comes from her dad |
| 3491.20 | I don’t think I knew that like back in the day, but she’s talked about it since |
| 3495.15 | It’s so funny |
| 3498.15 | And then the um author says she throws a handful of sushi ginger into her mouth energetically as she chews |
| 3503.15 | I don’t want to be a stinky poo poo girl |
| 3506.15 | I want to be a happy flower child |
| 3509.15 | I believe you can be the person you dream of being |
| 3512.15 | >> That was definitely like an off quoted on like old fan sites that was like always under quotes |
| 3517.00 | >> I don’t want to be a stinky poo poo girl |
| 3520.00 | Um then we’re getting to the end of the article, guys |
| 3523.00 | So, they kind of wrap up by talking about dreams |
| 3526.00 | So, Drew had recently had a dream that she was the fifth Spice Girl |
| 3529.35 | And in case that’s confusing, this was after Ginger Spice had left the group |
| 3533.15 | So, there were only four at the time |
| 3536.15 | And in the dream, she was panicking because she didn’t know any of the songs or dances, which is like just cracks me up |
| 3541.15 | I could totally see that |
| 3544.15 | She admits that she’s an insomniac, but she loves dreaming |
| 3547.15 | And she does have very good reoccurring dreams about dolphins, which I thought was fun |
| 3551.45 | And then I was thinking there’s like pictures of her when they were doing 51st Dates where she’s at like a swimming with the dolphins thing, right |
| 3556.45 | I’ll have to pull that |
| 3559.45 | >> I that sounds familiar |
| 3562.45 | I couldn’t remember the timeline, but I totally can picture the the pictures of it |
| 3566.55 | >> It’s like a dream come true for her |
| 3569.55 | That’s so cool |
| 3572.55 | And she says in her very favorite dream, she jumps off tall buildings and lands softly |
| 3576.85 | She says, “Oh, I love those |
| 3579.85 | ” She said, “I jumped off the Empire State Building in a dream |
| 3582.95 | ” And says, “And landed softly |
| 3585.95 | Barrymore smiles |
| 3588.95 | It was beautifific |
| 3591.95 | I love that |
| 3594.95 | But yeah, that’s crazy to me because that’s the kind of dream that would like I would hate hate it falling off a building |
| 3599.95 | No, thank you |
| 3602.95 | But like >> I think most people associate those with like really scary, you know, like >> but that’s so true to like she has that adventurous spirit, right |
| 3607.95 | >> Yeah, that’s true |
| 3610.95 | >> That’s true Drew |
| 3613.95 | >> True Drew |
| 3616.95 | [Music] So, that’s the article, but we’re not done |
| 3619.95 | We are not done |
| 3622.95 | There’s a little bit more |
| 3625.95 | So, in the in January of 1999, the letters to the editor included feedback about this issue |
| 3630.50 | So, we’re going to get into this a little bit |
| 3633.50 | >> So sweet |
| 3636.50 | >> Because these are our kind comments this week, guys |
| 3639.50 | This is really fun |
| 3642.50 | Um, and the first one, >> this is really special |
| 3645.50 | The first one printed in this magazine is from the original Droovy Queen, our friend Missy, who started the fan sites where Ann and I met and the Grapevine message board |
| 3650.50 | So, and this is such a like Missy >> thing to write |
| 3653.50 | Okay, >> so Missy writes, “Drew Barrymore is the purest, yummiest, most lung soothing breath of fresh air in Hollywood, and your recent cover story proves it |
| 3658.50 | Thank you for publishing such an eloquent and honest interview |
| 3661.60 | It moved me to tears right there in the store |
| 3664.60 | >> Oh, I love it so much |
| 3667.60 | >> So, if you guys know Missy, that is so Missy |
| 3670.60 | >> Yeah, like the the yummiest, most lung soothing breath of fresh air in Hollywood |
| 3674.75 | It’s so perfect |
| 3677.75 | Um, and we should read more, right |
| 3680.75 | Like see how other people reacted |
| 3683.75 | Let’s read them all |
| 3686.75 | >> Okay, so it says, “Thanks to writer Joanna Schneller for highlighting Drew Barrymore as the beautifific person she is that she is |
| 3691.75 | Most interviews I have read focus on the Barrymore quote unquote curse and Drew’s troubled past |
| 3696.50 | It is only when she speaks that you realize she is living proof that everything happens for a reason |
| 3701.50 | Your interview oozes positive energy and illustrates the very essence of who Drew Barrymore is |
| 3706.20 | And this was written in by Annie Kenny from Long Beach, California |
| 3709.50 | I love that these are all positive, too |
| 3712.50 | >> Um, okay |
| 3715.50 | So Mike Powell who sent an email from p_b1hotmail |
| 3718.50 | I just love that there’s like email addresses |
| 3721.50 | This is like the beginning of that |
| 3724.50 | So >> and this is Chris Mystery |
| 3727.50 | Which I remember that being like her sort of identity online |
| 3730.50 | So Mike says, “From ET to Poison Ivy to The Wedding Singer, Drew Barrymore has always impressed me |
| 3735.40 | She’s an actress of unmistakable talent and unmatched beauty |
| 3738.40 | I’m glad she’s hitting new heights of popularity |
| 3741.40 | She sure was at this time |
| 3744.40 | This was like >> Renaissance |
| 3747.40 | He’s so right |
| 3750.40 | >> That’s great |
| 3753.40 | Okay, we’ve got two more, guys |
| 3756.40 | So, Rosa Linda Linder |
| 3759.40 | Rosalinda Linder from Viejo, California |
| 3762.40 | She said, “Miss Barrymore has flown from her crippling cocoon to share her cheerful and charming inner beauty in a time when so many are jaded or spiritless |
| 3767.40 | Kudos to us for documenting The Beautiful Butterfly |
| 3770.40 | >> Wow, >> these are really nice |
| 3773.40 | >> Yeah, they are |
| 3776.40 | Like I I read them beforehand, but I kind of forgot how good they are |
| 3779.85 | >> I hadn’t reread them in a while |
| 3782.85 | And then our final one is from Stephanie Herell from Seami Valley, California |
| 3786.70 | Stephanie said, “Drew has a light inside her |
| 3789.70 | ” Take a drink |
| 3792.70 | Drew has a light inside her that shines even in print |
| 3795.70 | Her optimism and genuine love for the simple pleasures in life make me want to throw my arms around her and give her a big squeeze |
| 3800.70 | >> A I’m glad it doesn’t say her love for the simple pleasures in life made me want to throw up >> again |
| 3805.70 | Like Joanna the writer |
| 3808.70 | Why is this working |
| 3811.70 | Why am I agreeing with her |
| 3814.70 | This is supposed to be annoying |
| 3817.70 | And yeah, like we we love that Missy popped up in this |
| 3820.70 | Like I remember like I I remember getting this later, getting the clipping later and being so like happy to have like something that Missy wrote in about Drew in my Drew collection |
| 3825.70 | >> You see my little handwritten handdrawn rectangle I put around her name with with a gel pen |
| 3830.40 | Remember those gel pens |
| 3833.40 | The sparkly gel pens |
| 3836.40 | >> It’s sparkly |
| 3839.40 | >> Why did I do that |
| 3842.40 | because we wanted to highlight it in a, >> you know, just like how with the article, we we didn’t want that pesky handwriting to be distracting us |
| 3847.40 | We wanted to cut out Drew hanging from those bars |
| 3850.40 | Yeah, exactly |
| 3853.40 | So, before we wrap things up, we just want to give a little heads up |
| 3856.80 | We have told you guys that we’re going to appear on a show called Collector’s Call and it is about us and our Drew Barrymore collection, the Drew |
| 3861.80 | So, that is slated to air on ME TV on October 12th, right |
| 3864.80 | Is that the right date |
| 3867.80 | Yeah, it’s a Sunday |
| 3870.80 | >> So, um before we come on here again, it’ll have aired |
| 3873.80 | So, they told us not to officially announce it yet |
| 3876.80 | Like, we’re not putting it on social media yet, but if you’re here, you and you stayed to the end, you get to know |
| 3881.80 | And please watch out for that and we’ll keep you posted |
| 3884.80 | >> Yeah, we will because and we’ll be talking about it |
| 3887.80 | Yeah, we’re gonna talk about on our next episode because it was like quite an experience that it’s just >> We’ll get into it, guys |
| 3892.80 | We’ll get into it |
| 3895.80 | >> We’ll get into it and we’re looking forward to more people like knowing about our little our little Drewberrymore museum, the Drew |
| 3900.80 | >> There could be people who are coming and listening to this episode because they watched the episode of Collector’s Call |
| 3905.80 | >> That’s very true |
| 3908.80 | If you’re here because of that, welcome |
| 3911.80 | And thank you for being here |
| 3914.80 | And if you liked this episode, you could rate, review, subscribe, all that stuff |
| 3918.80 | Wherever you’re listening to us, give us some feedback |
| 3921.80 | You can also find us on Instagram at How Do You Drew Pod |
| 3924.80 | And also at Drewm um on How Do You Drew Pod Instagram today |
| 3927.80 | I put up some movies that I think you should watch during October |
| 3931.05 | Some Drew movies |
| 3934.05 | It was pretty fun to curate that |
| 3937.05 | Um you can also now leave comments on episodes on Spotify |
| 3940.05 | So, if you just found us and you thought we were fun and cool and you want to leave positive letters to the editor like everyone did about Drew’s article, go do that |
| 3945.05 | Um, and please visit our website at howdydrew |
| 3948.05 | com to see the episode gallery for this episode and every episode |
| 3951.30 | And peruse the DSM while you’re at it |
| 3954.30 | Make sure you check out our Drew Barrymore Museum, especially if you’re here from Collector’s Call |
| 3959.20 | Hopefully, you’ve already kind of checked it out |
| 3962.20 | Well, you know what’s wild is like whatever you’re seeing on collector’s call is like a tiny little drop in the bucket of our collection |
| 3967.20 | And we’ll tell you why, but there’s so much more, guys |
| 3970.20 | There’s so much more than what they’re going to show |
| 3973.20 | >> It’s kind of >> wild |
| 3976.20 | >> How could anyone ever understand the breadth of it |
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Ashley (22s):
All right. Hello and welcome to How Do You Drew.
Anne (25s):
This is A Drew Barrymore Podcast, brought to you by thedrewseum.com
Ashley (28s):
And sponsored by our friends at Positive Medium.
Anne (31s):
I’m Anne.
Ashley (32s):
And I’m Ashley.
Anne (34s):
And hello, welcome to episode 65,
Ashley (38s):
Our Christmas episode, if you will.
Anne (40s):
Yes. Merry Christmas
Ashley (41s):
Y’all. And final episode of 2023. Yes.
Anne (47s):
That’s pretty exciting. Also weird that the year’s over
Ashley (51s):
Crazy. Oh my God, I can’t believe it. Yeah. So we are gonna take a break. It could be one week, it could be two. We’ll let you know. Just stay tuned. Yeah, stay
Anne (58s):
Tuned. Stay tuned. Watch our social needs. You know where to find the info. Social
Ashley (1m 2s):
Needs. Yeah, all your social mead needs. How, Do, You, Drew Pod on Instagram. We’ll tell you there.
Anne (1m 7s):
Yes. Don’t forget to check that out. Anyway, all the time, every day of your life.
Ashley (1m 11s):
You could also go check out our Patreon. We have a new member there. We wanna give a shout out to Angela. Thank you so much.
Anne (1m 18s):
Thank you, Angela. We are so excited. Our little community over on Patreon’s growing a little bit at a time. So Yes, go check us out there.
Ashley (1m 28s):
I had some ideas for what we were gonna offer and we never talked about it. We’ll get there. I promise guys. I promise. Yes.
Anne (1m 35s):
Yes. I feel like one thing we talked about that we can maybe tease here a little bit is like possibly movie watch throughs. Yes. It would be really funny to have done it for this one, but we’ll get into why this movie’s so entertaining and let’s talk about something really exciting in our follow-up section here. Well, is this a follow-up? Is this something just more than that than we
Ashley (1m 55s):
May make a new segment. We haven’t come up with a good name yet. Yes. And we’re hoping this happens frequently, but we have another comment from Drew on our Instagram at Drew Zm.
Anne (2m 5s):
So amazing. So amazing.
Ashley (2m 9s):
So I posted four of our really cool four by six photographs that we have in our collection of Drew at the Batman forever premiere in 1995. Of course she has that classic look with the two slips and then little Daisy in her hair and she commented last night to tell us a little bit more about it.
Anne (2m 27s):
So crazy. So Drew Barrymore left this comment at, I bought those slips at Frederick’s of Hollywood and put one on top of the other and threw on a pair of platforms for my closet and went to the premier. I wasn’t at that place where anyone dressed me, so I dressed myself for about $50 and I love the carefree style to this day.
Ashley (2m 46s):
Yes. So do we.
Anne (2m 48s):
So do we.
Ashley (2m 50s):
I mean, this is not an important, I’m not being like drill, you’re wrong. This isn’t one of those that I’m doing. But she told Courtney Love on film in 1995 that she got the, the Slips at Playmates, which is like, kind of like a stripper store in Hollywood.
Anne (3m 4s):
Okay.
Ashley (3m 5s):
Just a quick way of putting it. So whether it was Frederick’s or Playmates is not like that different. And also it was almost 30 years ago. So Yes. Whether she had it wrong then or now, it doesn’t really matter. Yeah. The, the general vibe is correct.
Anne (3m 17s):
Absolutely. And we are so honored that
Ashley (3m 19s):
Oh my God,
Anne (3m 20s):
That she’s like engaging with our content. Yeah. Like, I mean we’re just so thrilled.
Ashley (3m 24s):
So the dream we like manifested the shit out of that happening.
Anne (3m 28s):
Yes, absolutely. And Drew, if you’re somehow listening, hi, we love you. Hi. Hi. Could you imagine? Hi, I love
Ashley (3m 35s):
Your movie. Hi.
Anne (3m 37s):
Okay, so what kind of follow ups do we have?
Ashley (3m 40s):
So I haven’t watched this yet, but I saw a note about it and I just wanna mention it. Apparently when Gary Oldman was on the Drew Barrymore show this week, she talked about her 2001 house fire.
Anne (3m 51s):
Okay.
Ashley (3m 52s):
And this one just killed me. She said that one of the items that she lost in that fire was her childhood passport, which had all the stamps of everywhere she’d been. And since we were just talking last week about her 1982 when she traveled all over for et, it made me think of that.
Anne (4m 7s):
And I would die to see her passport.
Ashley (4m 10s):
Oh, I know.
Anne (4m 11s):
Oh my. Brutal. My God.
Ashley (4m 13s):
I know. It made me really sad.
Anne (4m 14s):
It’s like Drew, do you have any pictures of it? She probably doesn’t because you wouldn’t think you were gonna lose that. That was like, that’s part of her archive. Yeah. Well you know what this is, we have to make note of like that there was part of the feature collection that’s missing because of a fire. Oh.
Ashley (4m 28s):
Imagine having that item in the, like the Drew Museum one day, but it’s gone forever.
Anne (4m 33s):
Oof. Oh, that’s heartbreaking.
Ashley (4m 35s):
Okay. That, that was upsetting. Sorry.
Anne (4m 37s):
Alright, well I, I just, you know, I’m giving up now, but let’s get to happier things. Okay. What did Drew proclaim her love for this past week? I love, love. We
Ashley (4m 47s):
Got some good ones this week. She was on a roll.
Anne (4m 49s):
Let’s hear it.
Ashley (4m 50s):
All right. Drew loves slumber parties.
Anne (4m 53s):
Ooh. Like one we just had
Ashley (4m 55s):
And yeah. And also someone said that she was like a, like they reminded her of a sleepover because of the last thing in dancing. We’ve mentioned that last week.
Anne (5m 4s):
Yeah, absolutely. Okay. What else? What else does she love?
Ashley (5m 8s):
Drew loves QVC. She also loves five below the store. And she probably said that four times on the show last week. ’cause they kept giving money to Drew gooders. I love Five Below.
Anne (5m 20s):
What is five Below?
Ashley (5m 21s):
It’s like a dollar store, but kind of more aimed towards teenagers maybe.
Anne (5m 26s):
Oh, that’s cool. All right. What else?
Ashley (5m 29s):
He also loves grilled fruit.
Anne (5m 31s):
Ooh, I like a grilled pineapple.
Ashley (5m 33s):
Oh, okay.
Anne (5m 34s):
And peach.
Ashley (5m 35s):
Yeah. They were talking about peaches. Blackberries
Anne (5m 38s):
Mm.
Ashley (5m 39s):
A good nut.
Anne (5m 41s):
You’re getting on board with that. I’ve always been a good nut person. Drew, you’re a nut.
Ashley (5m 47s):
She’s, she really is. Drew loves silicone.
Anne (5m 50s):
Hmm. Okay. Me too actually.
Ashley (5m 51s):
Popcorn? Yes.
Anne (5m 53s):
Hmm. I was just eating some last night and going, why don’t I eat this every day?
Ashley (5m 57s):
Oh, all the time. I know. Okay. Okay. Drew loves highlighting cities. She loves Mr. T.
Anne (6m 3s):
Aw,
Ashley (6m 4s):
When she said that, she’s like, and I mean it like I actually love Mr. T. Like I knew him.
Anne (6m 8s):
Did they show a picture?
Ashley (6m 10s):
Yes they did.
Anne (6m 11s):
Okay, good, good, good. Okay. What else?
Ashley (6m 13s):
She loves a 50 50, which is an ice cream treat. Like half, I think it’s like half slushy, half ice cream or
Anne (6m 19s):
Something. Does she like ice cream now?
Ashley (6m 21s):
Oh, I guess so.
Anne (6m 23s):
Okay. What else?
Ashley (6m 24s):
She also loves a viewing party. Okay. And one more Berry. Raspberries. Yes.
Anne (6m 30s):
Hmm.
Ashley (6m 31s):
I know.
Anne (6m 32s):
Now I want some grilled fruit and then a side of blackberries and raspberries and popcorn.
Ashley (6m 37s):
Yeah, popcorn. Totally
Anne (6m 38s):
Fake at a slum party while watching a movie.
Ashley (6m 41s):
Perfect. How about while watching this wonderful film, Babes in Toyland, we’re gonna get into,
Anne (6m 46s):
I mean here we are. Okay, so let’s get into our, you’ve got male segment,
3 (6m 53s):
You’ve got mail.
Ashley (6m 55s):
So as we mentioned last episode, we’re trying to catch up on some of the international reviews that people have left for us on Apple that you can’t necessarily see in the US unless you kind of go sneakily about it. So this one comes from our amazing fronts. Hi. Who is a long time Drewbie friend. If you heard her on our hairstyles episode, right? Number 57 7. Yep. Yeah. You know that Tess is awesome and here’s just more proof of that.
Anne (7m 23s):
Yeah. So the title is Essential for Drew Barrymore fans. First of all, great title. Love
Ashley (7m 28s):
It. That’s exactly what we aim to be.
Anne (7m 30s):
Yes. And Tess said, if you love the shiny happy daisy, that is Drew Barrymore. This podcast is for you. Drew archivists, Ash and Ann from the Drew have an encyclopedic knowledge about all things Drew. Their true friendship shines through every episode and they exude the kindness, friendliness, and all around happiness that Drew puts out into the world.
Ashley (7m 49s):
Perfection. Thank you Tess.
Anne (7m 51s):
Yes, thank you. Thank you. I feel like we need to put testimonials on our website now and that’s gonna be one of them. We,
Ashley (7m 56s):
We already have that Anne,
Anne (7m 57s):
Do we? Yeah. Cool. Cool. I’m so glad that we have a testimonial section on the website to add this to and I
Ashley (8m 4s):
Think I already did.
Anne (8m 5s):
Thank you so much Tess. That is so kind. And we love you.
Ashley (8m 9s):
We do.
Anne (8m 10s):
Okay. What do we have for this weekend for history?
Ashley (8m 13s):
How about this one? December 22nd, 2007, Nancy Javon and Jimmy Fallon got married. Oh,
Anne (8m 21s):
Oh
Ashley (8m 21s):
Yeah. So apparently they got married on Richard Branson’s Island. It’s called Necker Island in the British Virgin Island.
Anne (8m 30s):
Okay. I
Ashley (8m 30s):
Know, here’s a little story about it from Nancy. She said we got this place for three days. So Jimmy goes, what if we got married in three weeks instead of next summer? And I’m like, this is the best idea of all human time. It’s a very Drew like thing to say. Yeah. So we had 12 people at our wedding. I just got dressed, done as fast as I could, we didn’t care. Ah. So it was very small as they said. There was a photo that they gave to People magazine with the whole crew that was there. So obviously Drew was in attendance. Justin Long was her date. They were dating at the time. And Nancy’s former assistant and longtime flower film staffer. Gwen Stroman was also there. Yeah. But no, Chris Miller, which I find so surprising.
Ashley (9m 12s):
Oh, maybe he couldn’t go. It is a really cool photo. Drew’s wearing like some interesting long silvery dress I’ve never seen before. Would love to see more photos, but we just have the one. Also though this crew, I think a couple days before the wedding they went to another island in the Virgin Islands called Guan. Okay. And they left like a really cool note Nancy and Jimmy did, and then a photo of the four of them. So Jimmy, Nancy, Drew and Justin. Oh. And I think like somebody vacationed there and then took pictures of these and posted them on Flicker. I think that’s how we saw them. That
Anne (9m 47s):
Makes sense.
Ashley (9m 48s):
They were like in the hotel or something. How
Anne (9m 51s):
Cute. Is there anything noteworthy we wanna mention from the note
Ashley (9m 54s):
Basically? Yeah, it’s kind of interesting. So I think Nancy wrote this and she said We highly recommend the pre-breakfast Wild Bore
Anne (10m 2s):
Wild as well
Ashley (10m 4s):
As shark jumping,
Anne (10m 5s):
Which we’re sure will be taken off the event list by the next year. Godspeed to Jason and April’s quick recovery. I know, I’m like, is this a joke?
Ashley (10m 13s):
And then something about a bat cave. I dunno.
Anne (10m 16s):
Oh, this sounds awesome. I hope Drew was there for all that.
Ashley (10m 19s):
I I think she probably was based on the photo. I love the photo of the four of them. I think it’s so cute.
Anne (10m 23s):
So sweet. That’s the one I always think of. I kind of forget about the like entire wedding. Yeah, the wedding one. Yeah. Yeah. It’s so cute. I love that Drew and Justin both have flowers in their hair. Aw, it’s so, oh, so does, so does Nancy.
Ashley (10m 35s):
Nancy and Jimmy looks, looks like he has one in his pocket.
Anne (10m 38s):
Oh yes he does.
Ashley (10m 40s):
So we’ll share these. They’re really fun if you’ve never seen them. This is cute.
Anne (10m 43s):
And I love this pole. Yeah. Thought it was a
Ashley (10m 45s):
Unique
Anne (10m 46s):
One. Yeah. Really cute. Okay, so it looks like there’s nothing new with Drew. Yeah.
Ashley (10m 52s):
Wait, wait. She went to the Madonna concert, she posted about that. Oh yes
Anne (10m 56s):
She did.
Ashley (10m 57s):
Okay. And that’s that, that’s
Anne (10m 59s):
That.
Ashley (10m 59s):
She’s always loved Madonna though. I always feel like she’s looked to her as like someone who’s ever changing and that was like an inspirational to Drew.
Anne (11m 7s):
Yeah, absolutely. It would be kind of fun to see if like we could start tracking like when she’s mentioned Madonna. Oh
Ashley (11m 12s):
Yeah. Remember that bizarre 1996 article? She mentions her like three times. If you guys wanna see that, that’s way back in our episode. Like 11 or something.
Anne (11m 21s):
Good memory. Yeah. How do Drewbie Drewbie
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Anne (12m 59s):
Hey, so are you ready to just dive into this gem of a film 1980 six’s TV movie Babes in Toyland?
Ashley (13m 7s):
Let’s go to Drew and her co-star. Keanu Reeves. Introduce it for us obscure masterpiece. Obs
4 (13m 13s):
Babes in Toyland.
0 (13m 15s):
Sometimes obscurity is good.
Ashley (13m 17s):
Well said guy. As well said. So, okay. I just wanna say, I know there are people who have like a weird love nostalgia for this movie. I did not watch this growing up, so I cannot relate. I think maybe if you have those kind of rose colored glasses on it, maybe you view it differently. I think this is a horrible movie, but horrible in a, in a mildly entertaining way. Like it’s kind of fun to hate watch.
Anne (13m 40s):
Yeah. Oh for sure. Like when we start, when we turned it on, we were talking about, Jared and I were talking about doing like mystery science, theater treatment. Oh
Ashley (13m 48s):
Totally.
Anne (13m 48s):
Yeah. It’s totally perfect for
Ashley (13m 50s):
That. I am gonna say most of my notes are not the nicest or the most positive and usually I’m a positive person. But as I was watching it I was just like, oh my God.
Anne (13m 59s):
Yeah. We’re gonna be laughing through this whole episode though. So there’s joy that comes out of it.
Ashley (14m 3s):
There is another thing I wanna note though. If you do want to have some like fun Drew Christmas maybe like something that’s actually enjoyable and delightful and funny and cute and sweet, go watch all of the other reindeer. It’s much better. And then you can listen to our episode from last Christmas about that one
Anne (14m 23s):
Good call. So that’s a good way to steer people in the direction of more cute Drew Drew’s. Drew’s cute in this In a really interesting way. Yeah, in a different way. Yeah. Let’s, let’s, before we jump into Drew’s, you know cuteness, let’s read the IMDB summary for this film.
Ashley (14m 40s):
Okay. So a young girl wakes up in the realm of Toyland, like wakes up kind of random. Okay. Yeah, sorry. Where she teams up with her family and friends to overthrow the evil villain. Barnaby.
Anne (14m 52s):
I don’t think it says enough about the surrealism or the, or the fact that it’s a Wizard of Oz ripoff. Let’s move on. Before we get to the pre-production, I think we, it’s important to notice that the original, it’s based on an operetta composed by Victor Herbert in 1903. And it’s been filmed several times over different decades. I’ve only seen this one.
Ashley (15m 13s):
I think I watched the one with like the Disney one as a kid.
Anne (15m 16s):
There’s a like a Laurel and Hardy one I think.
Ashley (15m 19s):
Yeah, there’s a Disney one with Annette Funicello. I think I watched that once as a kid and I feel like I liked it, but I don’t have really any other memory about it. I
Anne (15m 26s):
Wonder if before Drew did this, if she’d watched any.
Ashley (15m 29s):
Yeah, probably. So it was directed by Clive Donner and written by Paul Del and Glen McDonna and maybe one of those guys is from Cincinnati because boy is there a lot of love for that city in this movie. Yes. A weird amount. We’ll get into that.
Anne (15m 45s):
There sure is. The movie Stars Keanu Reeves in an early role here. Richard Mulligan. Is he the bad guy?
Ashley (15m 53s):
Yeah. And he was on that show Empty Nest. I don’t know if you remember that as a kid, but my babysitter used to watch it.
Anne (15m 59s):
I know the name. So he plays the Mr. Barnaby, Mr. Just Barbie Bar.
Ashley (16m 4s):
Barnaby Barnaby Barnacle. Oh
Anne (16m 6s):
That’s right. God. And then we have Eileen Brennan who was from Clue, which was your favorite eighties movie mentioned in the end of our previous
Ashley (16m 14s):
Episode. Yeah. And this probably would’ve been like the year after Clue was filmed Probably.
Anne (16m 18s):
Yes. And then Googie Gress who was apparently in Wayne’s World two and he’s just not that into you. Yeah. Did they have scenes together in either, either film?
Ashley (16m 27s):
I had no idea that he was in those movies until I was doing research.
Anne (16m 32s):
Okay. So funny,
Ashley (16m 33s):
He’s sort of like Keanu’s sidekick in this movie I guess. And he is the butt of, feels like a lot of eighties fat jokes. Oh
Anne (16m 41s):
Absolutely. He’s supposed, I think he’s supposed to be like a gingerbread man or something. It’s,
Ashley (16m 45s):
No, he is Georgie Porgie. Oh.
Anne (16m 48s):
Who is Georgie Porgie
Ashley (16m 49s):
Pudding in Pie Kiss the Girls and made them cry. Lovely.
Anne (16m 56s):
Georgie Porgie. And then we have Pat Marita is also in this as the Toy Master and he was in Karate Kid two years prior to this film. So
Ashley (17m 7s):
What a downgrade. Also Jill Solan plays Drew’s sister and I heard her recently on a podcast called $2 Late Fee. She was so delightful. It was definitely jarring to hear her voice hear now because she’s like probably in her sixties.
Anne (17m 23s):
Oh weird. And
Ashley (17m 23s):
I was like, just like older lady. This is so
Anne (17m 26s):
Weird. Yeah.
Ashley (17m 27s):
I listened to it, just hoping to glean some cool details for this that she didn’t really give much. But she did say that they first went to England to do costume fittings before they went on to Germany to film. Oh,
Anne (17m 39s):
Interesting.
Ashley (17m 39s):
Yeah. And we knew this was filmed in Germany. So Drew talks about this actually in both her books, which is pretty surprising because it is that obscure masterpiece as
Anne (17m 48s):
She said. Absolutely.
Ashley (17m 51s):
So, yeah. And little Girl lost Drew talks about how she went to Germany and Munich, Germany to film this. And it was like a good change of scenery for her and Jade because were clashing a lot. And then of course, for some reason Drew just had a ton of independence when she was
Anne (18m 6s):
Here. Of course.
Ashley (18m 8s):
And one thing she mentioned was that she was really like accepted by the crew, the cast, and felt like she wasn’t an outsider the way she’d been feeling at school when she filmed this.
Anne (18m 19s):
Yep.
Ashley (18m 19s):
Which makes me sad.
Anne (18m 20s):
I gotta make one note, is that it actually says I demanded more independence from my mother. So I think we were talking about like her demands in a previous episode. Yeah. We
Ashley (18m 30s):
Were talking about how Amy Fisher, she might have pulled from her actual real life. Would you?
Anne (18m 34s):
Yep.
Ashley (18m 35s):
Okay. So yeah, we’ve mentioned this before and for some reason we get a lot of hits to the Drewseum dot com by people searching Drew, Barrymore, rod Stewart.
Anne (18m 43s):
Oh yeah.
Ashley (18m 44s):
And so this is the story. So Rod Stewart’s crew was in town for a concert and Drew got invited to like go hang out at, on the tour bus and backstage. And then she like partied with the whole band like literally partied. So Drew’s 11 just to put things in perspective.
Anne (19m 1s):
Yep. Oh yeah. And she says, we got crazy drunk, a whole lot of us. And someone took a video of everyone stumbling around the room, falling off the beds, drowning tiny bottles of liquor from the mini bar. I need that video.
Ashley (19m 12s):
Yeah, I,
Anne (19m 12s):
I know she’s 11 and we’d be disturbed by it. But,
Ashley (19m 15s):
But can you imagine for the archive? Yeah. And we will talk a little bit more. I’ll skip over to Wildflower. She also talks about this incident in a chapter called Germany. And she talks about how, so while they were having this like kind of partying, they were in this hotel and they went around and stole like people’s dry cleaning or hanging laundry bags. Oh. And they started throwing all these clothes off of balconies at the hotel.
Anne (19m 41s):
Oh my God.
Ashley (19m 42s):
And Drew started feeling really guilty about it and like stood back and kind of watched and she was like, oh my God, what have I done here? And she says that this haunts her to this day. And she thinks that she has a karma for it because she loses clothes all the time.
5 (19m 57s):
I’m telling you that I cannot keep clothes and I am convinced it is my karma from that night in Munich. And you know what I say to myself, okay, you probably deserve it. I really am so sorry and remorseful and I am positive that what I’m wearing right now will probably be gone by the time anyone ever hears this.
Anne (20m 28s):
Whoa.
Ashley (20m 30s):
Yes. So that happened. And then also Rod Stewart then invited Drew to move on with them to Vienna. And it was over a weekend and she was like, they’re like the circus. I’m gonna run away with them. And then Jade changed her mind and said she couldn’t go. And it said it caused Drew to erupt in a volcanic temper tantrum that lasted for several days.
Anne (20m 50s):
Oh my God. Is that, is that in Wildflower or in
Ashley (20m 53s):
No, that one’s in Little Girl Loss. Because she said, oh God. And she said it was like, that was the fun and she saw it rolling away, leaving her behind in a cloud of dust.
Anne (21m 2s):
Oh my God.
Ashley (21m 3s):
But yeah, so one of the more interesting things about this movie, more interesting than the movie itself, is just knowing like what was going on with life with her personally. That she’s like hanging out, having like smoking pot, drinking and partying with people. Apparently. And I had totally blocked this out. She had a boyfriend who was 15 who was working on the movie.
Anne (21m 24s):
Movie. Yeah.
Ashley (21m 25s):
What? She’s 11. She’s 11. I can’t
Anne (21m 28s):
11.
Ashley (21m 29s):
Oh my God. And it said that they were seriously making out and Ward was getting around set. And so Jade had to have a sex talk with her. I’m so upset by this
Anne (21m 39s):
11.
Ashley (21m 40s):
Oh my God.
Anne (21m 41s):
Thankfully the kid wasn’t older.
Ashley (21m 44s):
I, I know. It’s like, oh he was only 15 I guess. No. And then I’m like, who is this guy? There’s so many extras and like he could just be a weird guy in a teddy bear suit for all we know.
Anne (21m 54s):
Oh my God. There’s so many people in Suits. We’ll get, we’ll get into that. Oh. But it, I think it’s funny that in the movie the people in the suits are sometimes featured on the screen alone. It’s like they just show the teddy bear like moving its head.
Ashley (22m 8s):
So
Anne (22m 9s):
Moving on kind of to a little bit more about the production. I was wondering about this. So Drew’s singing voice was supposedly dubbed by Linda Harmon. Is that somebody notable or that’s just,
Ashley (22m 18s):
I think she just does a lot of this kind of stuff. Okay. You can tell later on in the movie we’ll point it out again, but like clearly she’s a wo like an adult. Yes. Not a child.
Anne (22m 30s):
Totally. And this is such a cool thing about this film that’s so strange despite how conveniently obscure this film is. We have lots and lots of behind the scenes photos from it, which is really fun to see because it’s such a time in Drew’s life. Like she was about to like not be in the public eye as much.
Ashley (22m 48s):
Yeah. It’s, wow, good point. It’s,
Anne (22m 50s):
And she’s still, even though she’s a kid, she’s 11 years old, she claims she’s not a kid throughout this whole film.
Ashley (22m 56s):
She claims she’s what a child. Yeah.
Anne (22m 57s):
Which it feels actually very like true to her life to be like trying to escape that childhood thing.
Ashley (23m 3s):
Yeah. It crazy. Especially when you know what she was doing behind the scenes.
Anne (23m 7s):
Absolutely.
Ashley (23m 8s):
But yeah, we’re lucky. Yeah, we’ll share some of these photos there. There’s a lot of really cool ones. It’s strange. Like way more than some of the more big time movies.
Anne (23m 17s):
Yeah. Who knows why? I mean it must just be because like nobody cared about keeping it private. I don’t know. It’s like, I don’t know. It’s so strange. But it’s so cool. ’cause like I said, it’s a unique thing and it’s not something I really think about digging into and being appreciative of. Yeah. I also just had to point out that I have a really cool pair of lobby cards, but only I think two or three of them feature Drew and the rest are like weird. Like the either the creatures or some other stuff. So, so
Ashley (23m 47s):
Strange
Anne (23m 48s):
That with the release
Ashley (23m 49s):
She’s like in every scene.
Anne (23m 51s):
I know. So it’s like why are more than half of the lobby cards in that set not featuring Drew? It’s just really funny.
6 (24m 1s):
I come from
7 (24m 2s):
C-I-N-C-I and NATI. Cincinnati
8 (24m 6s):
The best county.
Anne (24m 7s):
Okay. So let’s get into the movie.
Ashley (24m 9s):
Okay. We’re gonna go through our notes. Like I said, just a little disclaimer. Mine aren’t all very nice. We’re gonna have fun with it.
Anne (24m 16s):
And then the other disclaimers, we just point out whatever we wanna talk about. We’re not gonna go through the whole plot line by line. We’re just talking about scenes we even thought were funny or interesting or other.
Ashley (24m 27s):
Or other. Yeah. My my first note was that, so Drew, it starts off in Drew’s reading a cookbook and it’s that Plaid Better Homes and Gardens Cookbook Classic. And I know my mom had that. Like I recognized it immediately. Yep. And then I was laughing like, I wonder if Drew has this in her cookbook collection now
Anne (24m 44s):
She has to. It’s so classic. I think my mom has two ’cause we have, oh my God. Amazing. We have one that I grew up with and then like one came from my grandmother. Cool. Because that, it’s like every year they would re-release it. It’s like, oh
Ashley (24m 53s):
Really? I didn’t know
Anne (24m 54s):
That. I think so. It’s like one of those cookbooks that like has like many versions and it’s like I, I’m sure it’s still exists. It’s got, it’s
Ashley (25m 0s):
Amazing.
Anne (25m 1s):
I thought it was funny that it looked like she was just like browsing the cookbook, which I guess is, I guess it’s what you do. I mean that’s
Ashley (25m 6s):
Literally what she does now. That’s like her favorite thing to do.
Anne (25m 10s):
So cool. So cool.
Ashley (25m 12s):
What do you think about her costume choice? So she wears the same thing, the entire movie except I guess in one point she has a jacket over it, but it’s very like plain and not so cute. So she’s just got a red T-shirt on and this weird like denim sort of jumper over it. A dress. Yeah. Yeah. So my first thought was like, is this supposed to be evocative of Dorothy because there are so many Wizard of Oz ripoffs shamelessly pulling plot points. Yes. And I’m like, is this like intentional? ’cause it’s sort of got that like apron dress look.
Anne (25m 49s):
Okay. I have a couple thoughts. I think yes, it’s supposed to be evocative of Dorothy because that dress that Dorothy wears kind of has like an apron top to it. Even though it’s like gingham, like blue gingham. Jared said Drew looked like Mario, like Super Mario
Ashley (26m 4s):
Amazing.
Anne (26m 5s):
And also mentioned the Dorothy thing. And I think she kind of looks like a toy a little bit. ’cause like it’s like simple clothing. Like you know, solid color. I just had that thought right now. But I feel like it works
Ashley (26m 16s):
Okay
Anne (26m 16s):
Even though it’s like, oh I’d love to see her in different outfits. Like literally the whole movie is supposed to take place within a couple of hours of her life.
Ashley (26m 22s):
Which makes sense. Yeah. And then she’s got like white, this horrible like white slouchy socks and white ugly tennis shoes. Her shoes,
Anne (26m 29s):
Her like so bad. Her legs, like her whole sock and shoe area looks so chunky. It’s kind of funny.
Ashley (26m 34s):
Yes. Eighties.
Anne (26m 36s):
Yeah. And one thing I noticed in the intro, she and her sister are talking to each other and like Drew like says you are rap to her. Like it’s like, seems like it’s a playful kind of thing. But yeah, they’re cute.
Ashley (26m 47s):
Cute
Anne (26m 47s):
Together. Did she just call her a rat and then she says it again? Yep.
Ashley (26m 50s):
I think they do have a sweet little connection. I’m sure Drew was like loving having a big sister feeling.
Anne (26m 55s):
Absolutely. I also, just to kind of go back to a little, her loss a little bit. Like she does say, I think you mentioned it like there was like a welcoming, loving. Yeah. You can feel that. Like there’s the, the part when she’s like face to face with that actor Googie Gress. I was like, oh, there’s so much like tenderness there. Yeah. I
Ashley (27m 12s):
Just sweet like
Anne (27m 12s):
True tenderness. So anyway, I loved that. And then I just have to go back to her cooking. So I, she talked about that she’s gonna like cook dinner course
Ashley (27m 19s):
’cause she’s 11 and in charge of the family.
Anne (27m 21s):
Yeah. And there’s like a crazy storm that’s about to happen. She’s watching the weather report and she’s like stirring some like, I don’t know what she’s stirring. Don’t either. But she’s like, it looks like the fork is like floating above the bowl and she’s like pretending to stir. I’m like, she couldn’t, she have like actually stirred. I don’t know. It looked, it looked really funny. But shek was supposed to be like shocked by the impending storm. So Yes. So, okay. So what else do you have?
Ashley (27m 45s):
Okay, so she runs to the toy store where her sister works to let her know because the phones are out and I guess she has to tell everybody there’s a blizzard coming. Yep. So then we get Keanu who also works there. He is so cute in this like so handsome and dreamy. But his acting Woo boy.
Anne (28m 1s):
I mean I, okay. I love Keanu Reeves. Me too. I think the acting is like, it feels like him.
Ashley (28m 6s):
It feels like the perfect, like if you were to make fun of Keanu Reeves acting. Exactly. This is what it would be.
Anne (28m 11s):
Exactly. I
Ashley (28m 12s):
Love this line.
9 (28m 14s):
My Jeep’s got four wheel drive. I’ll take you both home.
Ashley (28m 18s):
Except spoiler alert, not fine.
Anne (28m 21s):
Also not a Jeep.
Ashley (28m 23s):
Is
Anne (28m 23s):
It not? It’s not a Jeep. Oh, that’s hilarious. Not branded Jeep. So it’s one of those things where it’s like tissue, the generic, the Kleenex. Yeah. Yep. Anyway, I’m sure someone who’s listening is like, yeah, I I clocked that. Yeah.
Ashley (28m 36s):
But look at you coming through with the car info. Always. I mean that is, that will never be me. So good job.
Anne (28m 40s):
I had a little help there.
Ashley (28m 43s):
How do you feel about this really cool casual sexual harassment by the toy store owner? Hate to her sister. Disgusting. Like
Anne (28m 50s):
Some of the things that
Ashley (28m 51s):
He says in this, like, this is a children’s movie, what are we doing? Yes. What are we doing here? It’s real gross.
Anne (28m 58s):
It’s,
Ashley (28m 59s):
And Drew stands up to defend her sister and she has that classic little smirk that she would sometimes have in movies. Yes. You know the one I’m talking about where she looks like she’s about to start laughing.
Anne (29m 10s):
Absolutely.
10 (29m 13s):
Don’t you talk to Mary like that.
Anne (29m 15s):
I like that. After that boss is like, what the heck is that? And then the boss and the sister, they start like loudly fighting in the middle of the toy star. Yeah. Like I’m like okay.
Ashley (29m 29s):
But I did appreciate that the sister was like calling him out for his totally disgusting remarks.
Anne (29m 34s):
Totally. Like, it is great.
Ashley (29m 35s):
And this carries over when spoiler, when we get ahead to Toyland and this carries over where this older man is just making these really inappropriate remarks about the sister who’s like 20.
Anne (29m 44s):
Yes. Older man. And it’s actually the same person. We’ll talk about how it’s, this is another Wizard of Oz similarity. I love when Drew makes an announcement on the toy store thing and like warning people about the impending storm.
11 (29m 59s):
Excuse me, everybody I just heard on tv, there’s gonna be a major snow storm hitting Cincinnati any minute. And Christmas Eve, he should not go home while you still can.
Ashley (30m 9s):
And then they all panic and like run. It’s so unrealistic.
Anne (30m 12s):
It’s like fruit teddy bears for any purchase over $75. Like trying to get people to stay. It’s so silly.
Ashley (30m 20s):
All right. So they get in the car, which is not a Jeep apparently. And did you notice like before they start singing, Drew’s like staring into space and looks like she’s gonna puke for no reason. It’s so random. Yes.
Anne (30m 31s):
She just looks like very serious and like, ugh. Like
Ashley (30m 34s):
She’s nauseous or something. I don’t know why was going on. Maybe she drank too much the night before.
Anne (30m 38s):
Oh no. I have a feeling the car is supposed to be really bumpy. So I feel like maybe she put, she’s supposed to look uncomfortable
Ashley (30m 44s):
But then she snaps out of it. Yeah. It’s weird.
Anne (30m 47s):
That’s because they start singing the song.
Ashley (30m 49s):
Oh god. The song. Probably one of the more, most known parts of this movie is this weird ass song about Cincinnati where they live and how wonderful it is.
12 (30m 59s):
Cincinnati
8 (31m 0s):
The best town Ohio say
12 (31m 4s):
At first they called it but Cincinnati, they named it Cincinnati.
Anne (31m 11s):
But the song seems to like fix a lot of things. Spoiler alert.
Ashley (31m 15s):
Although it’s a magical song.
Anne (31m 17s):
Yeah. But like they’re, you know, they’re driving on these rough roads. It looks, it’s really funny. The scenes on the inside, the car is like clearly on a set being shaken around. It’s super funny. And then I wrote a note, does she die? It’s, it’s kind of a joke because she like falls out of the car. Right.
Ashley (31m 32s):
And she flies out of the car. Yeah. On her sled. Oh that’s
Anne (31m 35s):
Right.
Ashley (31m 36s):
Goes right into a tree and the whole thing goes black as if she died. Yeah.
Anne (31m 41s):
Oh well I, I guess we were making a parallel to Wizard of Oz, but we should also make a parallel to 51st states. Oh,
Ashley (31m 47s):
I like it. Yeah. Good one. Good one. It wasn’t
Anne (31m 51s):
A cow, it was a tree. And she’s fine. But she does have some like delirium. So let’s go to Toyland.
Ashley (31m 58s):
Okay, so she’s floating through the sky on her sled
Anne (32m 3s):
Of
Ashley (32m 3s):
Course. Literally flying down from the clouds. Yeah. And she’s flying over Toyland, which it’s kind of amazing. They built this actual set in Germany. So the whole thing is like a practical set, sort of like
Anne (32m 15s):
A, is it still there? Back
Ashley (32m 16s):
Lot. Oh my god. Imagine. Imagine if like on Google Earth you could find the remnants of the like cookie factory. Oh
Anne (32m 22s):
My God. Someone let us know.
Ashley (32m 24s):
Okay. So there’s all these weird creepy people in animal suits. I hate it. Like it’s all like heads that don’t have any like, you know, movement on them. The faces are just blank. There’s like all kinds of weird animals, which I don’t really understand. It’s Toyland. I don’t get it. There’s a raggedy Ann did you catch her?
Anne (32m 42s):
I don’t think I did. She’s
Ashley (32m 43s):
So scary. Oh God, she’s real bad. She’s really scary. And she meets our quote unquote chubby buddy. Yep. Georgie Porgie. And he gives her a cookie that was just hanging out inside his hat on his sweaty head and she eats it. Okay.
Anne (32m 59s):
No questions asked. But we know, you know Drew personally, she kisses her star. She may or may not have kissed Lionel’s marking at the cemetery. So she likes to put things in her mouth that have been in questionable places. So yeah, in this whole surreal portion, which feels very Wizard of Oz because she’s just had this accident and now she’s suddenly in this like land.
Ashley (33m 23s):
And in the land there’s people that look like people in her normal life that she doesn’t make note of that they’re the same people.
Anne (33m 29s):
Yeah. They’re literally the same people. It also has like a Elgin Wonderland vibe to it.
Ashley (33m 34s):
Yeah, I thought that too.
Anne (33m 35s):
Even one of the guys says, who are you?
Ashley (33m 38s):
Weird. I didn’t catch that. That’s amazing.
Anne (33m 40s):
Yeah. Pretty amazing. And then Drew says,
13 (33m 44s):
Boy for talent looks like so much fun. This is pretty strange stuff.
Ashley (33m 48s):
And she’s like skipping in a circle. So awkward. Okay, so there’s a wedding happening. So Mary and Jack, no I’m sorry she’s not marrying Jack. They’re together, they’re in love. But she’s gonna marry the villain. Farby Barnaby because her shitty mom is making her marry this gross older villain guy. Because otherwise they’re gonna lose their house.
Anne (34m 11s):
They’re gonna lose, she’s gonna lose her shoe.
Ashley (34m 13s):
Oh yeah, she, she’s the old woman who lives in a shoe. Thank you. Let’s be, let’s be clear. And I love she, you know, I heard your character Drew’s character’s called Lisa. I feel like we’re gonna say Drew the whole time. But yes, she calls this woman out for being a shitty mom
13 (34m 28s):
And Mrs. Ha, you should be shame forcing your poor daughter to go live in a bowling ball just to pay your mortgage
Anne (34m 38s):
Right away. Basically in the movie. The music is pretty hilarious. But it gets even more hilarious when they’re in Toyland.
Ashley (34m 43s):
It’s bad eighties bad. I don’t
Anne (34m 45s):
Think it’s bad. I think it’s actually pretty good. Yeah, I think it’s good. Like it’s like well done music and I think it works for the weirdness of the film.
Ashley (34m 53s):
Okay.
Anne (34m 53s):
Because the movies, well movies, cheesy music,
Ashley (34m 57s):
Let’s put it this way. The eighties had a really low standard for entertainment. They just did. Like there’s amazing movies that came outta the eighties. I’m not saying overall, but like there are some really bad things that just were like, yeah, this is good enough. Let’s do it. Yep, yep. Since we’re talking about music, Drew’s character stops the wedding somehow. It doesn’t really make sense to me how her like interjecting stops everything. But it does. I love that. She says right before she stops it she says,
13 (35m 28s):
But Mary’s so young and pretty, she can’t possibly marry a pitties creature like that. I told you
Ashley (35m 35s):
So weird.
Anne (35m 36s):
That’s the only explanation.
Ashley (35m 38s):
The dialogue is so weird. Yeah, right. Not that he’s a creep.
Anne (35m 42s):
Yeah. Not that he’s a creep and evil. Like it’s just about how how pretty And
Ashley (35m 46s):
He’s ugly. Yeah.
Anne (35m 48s):
Oh
Ashley (35m 48s):
God. So yeah this, so they all do this big weird ass song celebrating her, which is again very Wizard of Oz after Dorothy Kills the Witch. Yep. And I just was laughing at like one of the lyrics I heard.
14 (35m 60s):
Let’s hear it. For the folk who love freedom, we need,
Ashley (36m 7s):
What
Anne (36m 9s):
Are they talking about? Americans? I know.
Ashley (36m 10s):
I don’t know. And then Drew dude’s like a really impressive round off. Like if you don’t know what that is, it’s like a cartwheel that you land on both feet. Impressive. Every once in a while she’ll like pull some sort of acrobatic or dance move out where I’m like, what? Yeah, like you can do the splits. You can like she can do a lot of things that she doesn’t act like she can do. Oh
Anne (36m 29s):
Absolutely. I’m just gonna say this. Probably say it a bunch of times. ’cause apparently I’m shallow. Drew’s so cute in this.
Ashley (36m 36s):
She is really cute and, and I kind of noticed, I don’t know if I like was imagining this and I doubt they filmed it in chronological order, but I noticed like towards the end she looks older. Like
Anne (36m 46s):
I agree
Ashley (36m 47s):
You did you notice that too? Like her face is kind of thinned out and like she just looks a little bit older.
Anne (36m 52s):
Well how long did they film this? It was like a few months.
Ashley (36m 54s):
A few months. Yeah.
Anne (36m 55s):
So she might’ve been going through some stuff and plus when you’re 11,
Ashley (36m 58s):
Like yeah you’re changing a lot. You’re
Anne (36m 60s):
Changing a lot. So she probably genuinely is like, I feel like I, I kept thinking about Drew as a person. Yeah. You know, during this. So I’m like, oh that like not just her growing but also like she’s experiencing like a different country for the first time. It sounds like she was dating a 15-year-old. She sounds like, you know, was was partying while she was there. So there was some stuff happening in her life that might have impacted how mature she looked.
Ashley (37m 26s):
Here’s a positive note. I do like the cookie factory set. I think it’s really cute. It’s cute. It’s confusing at first what the plan is. I figured out later but So the bad guy in his like goons who I can’t stand
Anne (37m 38s):
That look like Nosferatu.
Ashley (37m 40s):
Yeah, they do. You had a good call. They’re throwing all these boxes of cookies into a cellar door. He had to, I had to put it that way. And they’re like of course doing it as slowly as possible by being all like comical about it.
Anne (37m 54s):
So, but also, yeah, they like set up a ramp of a table and then start like sliding them into there. They’re
Ashley (37m 60s):
Like hitting ’em with baseball bats.
Anne (38m 2s):
The one other thing I thought was really funny and I was like called it as I was watching it, even though I didn’t remember this, one of the goons is like putting a cake carefully into a box and then Oh the box. Yes. So tough. But it feels very like appropriate. Like that feels like eighties comedy. Yeah.
Ashley (38m 20s):
Yeah. Eighties comedy quote unquote comedy. Yeah. Okay. So then Drew’s meeting her mom in this world who’s the old lady who lives in a shoe. She’s introducing all her kids and I was just cracking up ’cause she’s like introducing all these nursery rhyme characters, which is kind of fun. Yeah. And then she like has like five more and she goes, I forget who this one is. And then she never introduces the rest. So I’m like, I guess they ran out of ideas,
Anne (38m 45s):
But we’re also maybe supposed to believe that she doesn’t really care about them. Yeah,
Ashley (38m 47s):
She is. She does play this like absent mindedness. Really. Well she’s pretty hilarious in it. Yes. And then I had to listen to this part three times in a row. Drew kind of flubbed a line.
13 (38m 57s):
Mrs. Hubbard, I think the same as your Toy Master. When two young people love each other, they should be allowed to be together.
Ashley (39m 4s):
So again, it’s like, yeah. Did they really like take their time and refilm things and they were just like, this is good enough. Yeah.
Anne (39m 10s):
I thought it was a typo in your notes, which is really funny how you explained it around this time in the film. But she’s trying to convince this woman who is her mom in the other alternate universe. She says
13 (39m 24s):
At a mature man of the world, like Mr. Barnaby, she be free to marry a more elegant, glamorous woman of the world such as yourself.
Ashley (39m 34s):
She’s like, okay, if this weird lady’s gonna marry off her daughter, maybe I can make her be interested in him instead. Yes. Oh my God. Like how about just nobody goes with this creep.
Anne (39m 43s):
Absolutely. I think that’s when she says she’s gonna sell her children. Yeah. At that point. Yes.
Ashley (39m 47s):
Lovely. Alright. So they get into these little cars, which are really quite cute.
Anne (39m 53s):
They’re very cute.
Ashley (39m 54s):
Yeah. At first I was like, oh, the flower on them. Like the way it’s stenciled kind of reminded me of the old flower films logo. Yeah. When I saw them side by side, I was like, eh, not really. But I still liked it. The
Anne (40m 4s):
Way it does is that the petals are kind of detached. It’s like very stylized daisy. Not a realistic daisy. Yeah. You know, so cute. I love how the cars sound when they’re moving. Also, I love how much they show them riding around in these cars. It’s so cute. Especially
Ashley (40m 23s):
’cause the set is actually quite small. Like you wouldn’t need a car to go anywhere. It’s like two blocks and We’ll, we’ll get into that later on. Yes. At first I was so confused ’cause I’m like the bad guy’s talking about how millions of missing cookies and like I was like, who’s, who are the customers? Like are they sending these to the real world? But then I guess it’s just the creepy teddy bears in town that eat them millions.
Anne (41m 4s):
Well they, yeah. They said something about like, well how are we gonna feed the teddy bears? So ridiculous
Ashley (41m 12s):
As if the those mouths on those teddy bears open. Gimme a break. Yes.
Anne (41m 17s):
There’s a point when, when Drew encounters the bad guys and I don’t really know what’s happening, but in the cookie factory,
15 (41m 26s):
You again cin, he waley out the door or into the flower grinder, which
13 (41m 33s):
Shall it be, I think maybe out the door sounds better.
Anne (41m 39s):
So great.
Ashley (41m 41s):
Oh man. Okay. Then they go visit the toy master, this mysterious man and they go into his little workshop, which I found was like kind of underwhelming personally. But anyway, I
Anne (41m 53s):
Thought it was pretty cool actually. Okay.
Ashley (41m 55s):
You like all those little, what are those called? Those spinny things? Do you know?
Anne (41m 59s):
I know. Was it kind of like a mobile or was it like something that’s standing up?
Ashley (42m 2s):
No, there’s a name for them. It’s like actually a Christmas thing and there’s one in a Christmas vacation. Has an Eddie like touches in all the little like pieces fall apart.
Anne (42m 12s):
Oh, that sounds familiar. Yeah.
Ashley (42m 14s):
All right. Anyway, there’s a lot of those in there, but did you notice that there’s like these two elves in there who don’t move their mouths, but there’s like overdubbed dialogue for them, but they’re not, they’re not speaking. It’s
Anne (42m 25s):
So weird. I didn’t notice There are like, I did one thing, I did notice, since you’re mentioning like the sound, I feel like all the audio seems like it was like rerecorded later. Yeah. Like it seems adrd.
Ashley (42m 35s):
Yeah. And you know what’s interesting is that when the actress Jill was on that podcast when she, this wasn’t Drew relevant, so I didn’t note it, but she says that when they did one of the songs, like recorded it like she wasn’t really prepared and they were like, don’t worry, we’re gonna like rerecord it in a studio later. Okay. And then they didn’t.
Anne (42m 53s):
Oh no. She was like
Ashley (42m 54s):
Mortified with the take.
Anne (42m 56s):
Oh no.
Ashley (42m 58s):
Yeah.
Anne (42m 60s):
They were like, ah, that’s too much work. Yeah,
Ashley (43m 2s):
Good enough. Drew like randomly. She’s like, what’s in the that behind that door? Even though like, why would you say that? Yeah. And there’s all these creepy toy soldiers who have like, like frozen faces and the toy master says something about them being wonderful and Drew’s like,
13 (43m 19s):
Oh, you’re right. They are wonderful. Really?
Anne (43m 26s):
I love when the toy master says to Drew that the wooden toys just aren’t popular anymore. And she like makes a little serious kind of sad face.
Ashley (43m 34s):
Aw. And so basically the bad guys like framed Jack for all these missing cookies and the way that things work in this town is very confusing. So the judge guy, I don’t know what he is, he like has him arrested and they go break him out of jail and then they put the judge in the jail cell so they can run away.
Anne (43m 54s):
Yes. And then after that happens, Drew says to to the judge,
13 (44m 0s):
I’m lucky, I’m sorry sir, but that’s the way the cookie came doing crumbles. Ha ha. Little joke
Anne (44m 7s):
The way she does. Ha. Okay, what happens next?
Ashley (44m 12s):
Okay. I don’t remember how, but somehow Jack gets captured by the bad guys.
Anne (44m 16s):
I do remember how he, they Oh, open a trap door in the cookie shop. That’s right. Because they’re trying to figure out who stole the cookies.
Ashley (44m 23s):
They found out that the, of course the chubby guy found some cookies on the ground. So they’re like eating them. This is evidence. I’m like, well, cookies on the ground in the cookie factory makes sense to me. But okay. Yeah.
Anne (44m 34s):
They’re like, where did you find them? Because they might help us. I love that whole part. ’cause then they’re like trying to find where the cookies were.
Ashley (44m 38s):
Yeah. It’s so bad.
Anne (44m 40s):
Yeah. It’s, it’s, it’s, I was gonna say, it’s so good,
Ashley (44m 42s):
So bad. It’s good. And then the goons. So again like, what’d you say? They look like nasra too. Yeah. The way that they are acting and the like slapstick again, quote unquote comedy. It reminds me so much of what I was just talking about in Con Sawyer. Yeah. Where there’s like the dumb little minions. They’re always dumb and they’re always like slapstick and it’s like, yeah. Was such a thing in the eighties. I don’t understand it. Like how was that funny? It was such a like a trope. It’s just cracks me up.
Anne (45m 13s):
Yeah. That they would be like a sidekick.
Ashley (45m 15s):
Yeah. Always. Like the bad guy always picks these like two dumb asses to do all his things for
Anne (45m 20s):
Him. Yeah. And you can just imagine them like bumping heads. Yes. You know, like
Ashley (45m 24s):
Literally I’ll just say it now because later on I don’t feel like in the beginning this is there, but later on all these cartoony sound effects happen every time that they’re on because they absolutely, they’re just like hitting trees and things are bumping in them in the Oh my god. All right. And
Anne (45m 41s):
They’re unnecessarily driving cars around.
Ashley (45m 47s):
I fast forwarded through the villains song ’cause like we only have so much time guys.
Anne (45m 52s):
Absolutely. You noted how useless the toy master seems because they’re kind of like, can’t you help in any way? There’s all this stuff
Ashley (45m 59s):
Happening. Yeah. They keep going to him. He’s supposed to be powerful and stuff and he is just like, oh I’m not, I can’t really do anything.
Anne (46m 6s):
Yes. But he’s like got this calm demeanor that’s kind of like, oh
Ashley (46m 9s):
Yeah. At one point I think Drew even says like, he’s not gonna be able to help us. He’s a pacifist or something weird like that. Oh does she? Yeah. It’s weird. Oh my
Anne (46m 16s):
God. I love my favorite line in that kind of part is Drew says to him, well
13 (46m 22s):
For instance, don’t you have the power to turn Barnaby into a, a windup pussycat or something. I mean, I don’t think you realize how evil he is.
Ashley (46m 30s):
He probably could. He does have a jar of all the evil that he’s collected in the world. What?
Anne (46m 35s):
Oh God. That’s such a
Ashley (46m 36s):
Weird plot point. Yeah. They go to rescue Jack Drew says for like the 50th time that she’s not a child. What
13 (46m 43s):
The hell? That child, I’m not a child.
Anne (46m 47s):
She says that so many times in this. It’s, it’s a theme for sure.
Ashley (46m 50s):
Yeah. And you said you were kind of thinking about real life Drew every time she said it, which is like definitely an interesting layer.
Anne (46m 57s):
Yeah, there’s, there’s something at the end that feels very like, I’m like, it’s almost heart wrenching that I, I was like just thinking they’re talking to Drew, not to Lisa. Yeah. She says something to Barnaby. I don’t even remember what actually is happening at this point.
15 (47m 11s):
I will be master of Toyland.
13 (47m 13s):
You are the monster of Toyland. Barnaby. How could you ever wish evil the most wonderful place that ever existed. You’re insane.
Ashley (47m 20s):
Well she has like a whole little speech,
Anne (47m 23s):
Which is like a little bit like not really but like Olive.
Ashley (47m 27s):
Oh my favorite favorite.
Anne (47m 30s):
Actually Lisa does have a little bit of olive in her.
Ashley (47m 33s):
I love that.
Anne (47m 34s):
Yeah.
Ashley (47m 35s):
And then like, oh yeah. So that’s probably when the bad guys like tie them up in the Toy Master’s workshop, tie them up, like barely put a rope around them. It’s so silly.
Anne (47m 44s):
Yeah. Not the most effective time. No, it’s
Ashley (47m 46s):
Very funny. Funny. And then there’s this creepy gross little bird thing during the whole movie that’s like Barnaby’s other
Anne (47m 52s):
Pet, I
Ashley (47m 52s):
Guess they call him troll log. And he is so creepy and gross. I hate it.
Anne (47m 58s):
He’s really creepy and gross. But when he like starts to peck at
Ashley (48m 1s):
Oh God
Anne (48m 2s):
Through character and then that, that’s what gets her like released. It’s really funny ’cause it’s like his, he’s supposed to be like a bad guy, but he literally pokes off the rope
Ashley (48m 11s):
And then the toy master paints over his eye and I was laughing ’cause that’s what he does earlier with for the elves. They’re like, toy Master, toy Master help with this toy. And he like paints eyes. I’m like, that’s all he can do.
Anne (48m 23s):
That’s his only role. And guide people to, you know, he is like, he seems like he’s a little bit like a fairy godmother. A little bit for
Ashley (48m 31s):
Drew. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anne (48m 32s):
I hadn’t really thought about that before, but it’s just like he’s got like this army of, he’s got like the tools, you know, but not the know-how something
Ashley (48m 40s):
Like that. He’s like, it can only take you so far.
Anne (48m 44s):
Yes. Let’s talk about that jar of evil.
Ashley (48m 46s):
Oh my God. Right. So, so the whole gang ends up in the layer. ’cause they all fall through different trap doors that all lead to one place in the bowling ball Of course. And then Uhoh here comes that jar of evil air. So he, the villain like spreads it out and they all start turning into trolls slash monsters.
Anne (49m 7s):
Yep.
Ashley (49m 8s):
Keanu was like making me laugh so hard in this part. And then our solution that Drew comes up with miraculously just sing the Cincinnati song everybody and you’ll, you’ll not be monsters anymore. And they all know the words even though they’re not technically the same people that were singing it. Yeah. In the real world.
Anne (49m 28s):
Oh yeah, good point.
Ashley (49m 30s):
But I don’t understand the like propaganda for the city. As we mentioned before. Maybe one of the writers is from there.
Anne (49m 37s):
I don’t know. But one of my favorite things about that part is Lisa. Yeah. Is not impacted by like, she’s not turning,
13 (49m 49s):
Nothing’s happening to me. I guess I’m mute because I’ve friend Cincinnati. Yes.
Anne (49m 55s):
And it’s funny ’cause I was like, wait, is she supposed to be acting the same way as they’re like, I honestly thought that it was like bad acting for a second. Yeah. And then it was like, I even wrote in my notes like seemingly not impacted by the green fog.
Ashley (50m 8s):
Oh because she’s from Cincinnati dad. Yeah, of
Anne (50m 11s):
Course. Of course. That makes you immune.
Ashley (50m 13s):
And you can definitely tell when she starts singing that it’s a woman. It’s not Drew in any shape or or form.
Anne (50m 19s):
Yeah. And then the last line of that part was,
13 (50m 23s):
I told you Cincinnati was a great place.
Ashley (50m 27s):
Yeah. It’s funny, before it it started. I was like, oh God, I hate the part when they’re all fake that they’re monsters to get out. Oh, it’s hilarious. Oh God. I was like, cr cringe, cringe, cringe. And then when it started I was like, wait, this is actually funny. Like I, I remembered it being like secondhand embarrassment but I, I was cracking up at Drew.
Anne (50m 44s):
My God. And then we get another great line
0 (50m 48s):
Master master three fours for our wonderful master.
Ashley (50m 56s):
And then did you notice when they come out of the little cell that Drew looks at one of the bad guys and does a cat hiss? Yeah. And it was like,
Anne (51m 4s):
That’s so true.
Ashley (51m 5s):
Exactly how she does it now. I can’t think of like an example, but she definitely does it a lot. Oh
Anne (51m 11s):
Yeah. She like does it on her show and stuff. Yeah. Like yeah, absolutely. I was like, oh it was amazing. It’s perfect.
Ashley (51m 16s):
Never changed Drew. Yeah,
Anne (51m 17s):
Yeah. Please never changed.
Ashley (51m 19s):
So then there’s like this super drawn out escape from this underground layer. Oh my God. It just felt like it was going on forever. I don’t know if you had that feeling too, but I was impressed with the set. I was like, wow, they really built this whole thing. Yeah, yeah. But I was laughing. So there’s a part where Keanu and Drew get on a rope swing to get across like a Oh yes. What would you call that? To get from one cliff to the other, whatever. Yeah. But it just cracked me up. It was reminding me of how when he came on her show, she told a story about on her 16th birthday, he like walked into the club and took her on a motorcycle ride randomly. Yes. And then her little sounds that she made, I was just cracking up thinking of 16-year-old her and him on a motorcycle.
Anne (52m 2s):
I had a similar thought ’cause I was thinking, not like necessarily about that part, but I was thinking about like, oh like five years later. Yeah. He rode on a motorcycle.
Ashley (52m 10s):
Very different ride.
Anne (52m 11s):
Yes.
0 (52m 13s):
Ready? Yeah.
Ashley (52m 18s):
It’s so weird.
Anne (52m 19s):
Yeah. And then we have the car chase.
Ashley (52m 22s):
Oh yeah. So, which we’ve been teasing a little bit. The big climax, the car chase where they literally just drive in a big circle. I
Anne (52m 31s):
Was like, is this a bumper car? It kind
Ashley (52m 33s):
Of was bumper cars. I totally had the same thought.
Anne (52m 36s):
But then I was like, this is kind of funny. Like, I was just trying to think that, are they going fast? Are they going really slow? It’s like pretty slow. I wrote in my notes, they seem kind of dangerous, but it’s only because like if they actually hit each other, there
Ashley (52m 48s):
Is one part where two of them hit each other and I was a little like
Anne (52m 53s):
Yeah. And there’s another great line Drew says to them, like, while they’re chasing around, I swear she says Ggo.
Ashley (53m 6s):
I think you’re right. And honestly like the dialogue in this is so odd. Some of it is so formal. There’s a lot of You must, we must. Yeah. And yeah, then there’s the weird stuff like that where I’m like, what? That’s not a thing People said,
Anne (53m 18s):
Yeah,
Ashley (53m 20s):
I already mentioned this before, but this is where those cartoon sound effects on the goons like really kick into high gear. Oh boy.
Anne (53m 27s):
And it sounds, but it sounds like so all of it’s so silly,
Ashley (53m 32s):
So slapstick.
Anne (53m 33s):
But even though like the, the creatures I say I’m saying creatures ’cause they really are like creatures. Like the, yeah. I don’t know if this is that part where like they’re releasing, maybe that’s a little bit later, but like
Ashley (53m 42s):
When they’re coming out from Y
Anne (53m 44s):
Yeah. I’m like, are they just like made of trash and fabric? Like I was just like, I don’t,
Ashley (53m 49s):
I bet they were like roots, like underground roots. I don’t know. But creatures is the best way to put
Anne (53m 55s):
It. I guess they’re more rootlike for sure. Like organic. But they’re so creepy. They
Ashley (53m 60s):
Are scary. I totally, and I, I told you that little bird thing really creeps me out too. The troll log.
Anne (54m 6s):
Yeah, it is. I mean it’s all pretty creepy. I think I can laugh past it now, but maybe when I’ve watched it before, like years and years ago, I was just like, ugh. And having to like have pictures of them in my collection, I’m like,
Ashley (54m 20s):
Merry Christmas.
Anne (54m 22s):
Yeah.
0 (54m 40s):
There’s
Anne (54m 41s):
A part where they’re back in the toy masters
Ashley (54m 44s):
Once again looking to him for help. Even though he is like, I can’t do anything.
Anne (54m 49s):
But it’s him who says
16 (54m 51s):
There is one person who was never really a child life, made her grow up too fast.
Anne (54m 59s):
And I couldn’t help but like immediately think that there’s no way Drew didn’t feel like this related to her life.
Ashley (55m 6s):
I know the wild thing is that you can tell I was getting really checked out by this part because I was just like, oh I can’t take this movie anymore. So I didn’t really think about it. But you’re so right when you watch it with that view, it’s definitely like, oh this is sad.
Anne (55m 18s):
Yeah. And if you, if you look at Drew’s face and think of it as Drew having these feelings, it’s very interesting.
13 (55m 26s):
I guess life just made me grow up too fast.
Anne (55m 29s):
Be one. Say have like a Wizard of Oz sort of
Ashley (55m 32s):
Big time.
Anne (55m 33s):
Like, so Lisa Drew’s character is supposed to kind of find her inner child and
13 (55m 39s):
Yes, I kept my teddy and I miss him.
17 (55m 43s):
Then you do still remember how important toys can be. Lisa
18 (55m 46s):
Say that you really remember Lisa.
19 (55m 50s):
Remember Lisa say that you remember, remember
Ashley (55m 53s):
Believe in the toys. Toys Lisa believe in them
Anne (55m 57s):
And I couldn’t help. It’s like there’s no place like home. So it’s like it totally is. Yeah. You know, like that whole part is very like, come on, you have all the power inside you kind of thing.
Ashley (56m 6s):
Yeah. Oh, and don’t forget the Toy Master song. As soon as you started singing, I was like, oh no, this is rough.
Anne (56m 12s):
Oh my God. The creepy thing
Ashley (56m 13s):
Is like Keanu’s voice is not very good. His voice is not very good. And then once again we get poor Drew being the one that’s dubbed just like in everyone says I love you my God. Like hers couldn’t have been that bad. That
Anne (56m 24s):
Bad. Exactly.
Ashley (56m 26s):
But yeah, I was like, oh my God. Another song where there’s like an old man singing to little child Drew and touching her face. Like why is this a thing that I’m noticing happened a lot in the eighties. I don’t like it. I think
Anne (56m 38s):
It’s supposed to represent some kind of like, you know Fatherly mother. Yes, exactly. Like, but it’s also like, ugh. But I, I was noticing Drew’s expression during the song and I felt like she looked genuinely sad.
Ashley (56m 52s):
Aw. She’s like, I wanna go get wasted guys. I don’t wanna talk about how I’m not a kid because I’m not a kid.
Anne (56m 58s):
Guys, this is so boring. I’m not, again not. And then, you know, she kind of is like, I’m still a child. I got my teddy bear and I miss him.
Ashley (57m 7s):
It’s so weirdly formal. Again, it’s, I kept Teddy.
Anne (57m 11s):
That whole part has this both cheese and sort of real, you know, real life connection. Yeah. And then Drew starts the war. I was like, it’s
Ashley (57m 23s):
Kind of weird that this movie is ending on like goons and cannons. ’cause here come all She like lets all the toy soldiers out. ’cause she believes in them now.
Anne (57m 31s):
Yes. I guess they don’t even really show them shooting.
Ashley (57m 35s):
They do. That’s why I was like sort of surprised they don’t show like
Anne (57m 39s):
Anybody getting hurt. Yeah.
Ashley (57m 41s):
But they show me shooting.
Anne (57m 43s):
I mean I, I’ve been watching Game of Thrones so I’m a little bit like, this is like a Game of Thrones and Babes of Toyland.
Ashley (57m 50s):
Okay. So obviously Good triumphs over evil and all the creepy creatures like basically get put behind a fence and they’re like
Anne (57m 60s):
Banished. Yep. Oh they’re banished to the forest of the night or whatever it’s called. Yeah. It’s so weird.
Ashley (58m 6s):
So they’re right there still. Yep.
Anne (58m 8s):
Okay.
Ashley (58m 9s):
And then of course Jack and Mary get to get married, which is cute. They do cute chemistry. Those too.
Anne (58m 14s):
They do very, very cute. I thought, I mean they’re both like adorable. Anyway, the Keanu and the actor Jill adorable.
Ashley (58m 23s):
Yeah. I was like, I didn’t understand when she was walking up the aisle why he had to have his back to her. Is that a thing? I’ve never seen that He kept like trying to turn around and georgie’s like, no, no, turn her. You’ve gotta keep your back to her. I was like, what
Anne (58m 35s):
Didn’t, I didn’t even notice that at one point Drew seems to be like the flower girl and kind of a ring bearer and the ring pillow is a cookie.
Ashley (58m 44s):
Yeah. That was cute. And I did like that she had her flower wreath. I really think that was like a sweet little touch. Oh yes. Finally she’s got on something a little different.
Anne (58m 53s):
Yes. There were a couple times where she was like adjacent. I think that there’s a parade earlier where she’s like by like a flower arch. Yeah,
Ashley (58m 60s):
I know that
Anne (59m 0s):
Too. Then she has the wreath at the end.
Ashley (59m 2s):
Yeah, that was cute.
Anne (59m 3s):
Very cute.
Ashley (59m 4s):
And then Surprise, here comes Santa. It’s really the toy master. He was Santa all along question mark. And the reindeer are wooden cutouts. Huh.
Anne (59m 15s):
And somehow that works.
Ashley (59m 17s):
And there’s two elves that that don’t talk. Those weird elves, that mouth the mouse don’t move. And that’s about all the Santa kind of like, I don’t get, I don’t Is he Santa? Like is he, or is he like Santa’s helper? I don’t get it.
Anne (59m 29s):
I think he’s supposed to be Santa. Okay.
Ashley (59m 31s):
I think so
Anne (59m 32s):
Too. I mean, I don’t know. He is got a whole set of reindeer. You know, even if they are wood cutouts, he’s got all the a Coutre ma of Santa.
Ashley (59m 39s):
You’re right. He does have the like the red and white like santa robes and Yeah. Yes. And J’s just like, oh okay. Sure. Like there’s not really,
Anne (59m 49s):
It’s weird. No question.
Ashley (59m 51s):
Yeah. And then did you notice in Dolan’s crowd there’s a lion that’s wearing a football jersey?
Anne (59m 57s):
Yes. I
Ashley (59m 57s):
Was like, is this more weird Cincinnati shit?
Anne (59m 60s):
I, what’s something, I mean I kind of tried to do a quick search ’cause I saw your note and I couldn’t find anything that that confirmed that. But I’m like, what, what is that toy? It’s like there’s just a random mascot in the Yeah.
Ashley (1h 0m 11s):
Someone has to tell us if that’s like Cincinnati’s colors or something. Yeah.
Anne (1h 0m 15s):
I mean they also, I think I mentioned this before, but they talk about baseball player Pete Rose like so many times. I think there was like two different moments where they’re like talking about Pete Rose. And I’m like, okay. Like I don’t, I don’t get it.
Ashley (1h 0m 28s):
What, what is this? Yes,
Anne (1h 0m 31s):
Yes.
Ashley (1h 0m 32s):
All right. And then of course we’re back home. Don’t worry. She’s just been dreaming. I don’t know. It’s very Wizard of Oz again. But yeah, she’s like wakes up on the couch. I like, they’re like, oh, we’re so worried about you after you flew out of a moving vehicle and hit a tree. We just had you on the couch here hoping you’d wake up.
Anne (1h 0m 50s):
And she looks just fine. No
Ashley (1h 0m 52s):
Medical attention.
Anne (1h 0m 54s):
Absolutely not. But
Ashley (1h 0m 55s):
Yeah, then it starts getting shameless. The Wizard of Oz. She’s pretty much doing. And you were there and you were there.
Anne (1h 1m 1s):
One other thing I wanted to compare to Wizard of Oz is the T Trello’s eye is like, it has visions like the witches crystal ball. Oh
Ashley (1h 1m 11s):
Yeah. Like the villain can watch everybody through it. You’re right. Oh my God.
Anne (1h 1m 15s):
It’s just so, okay, so summary. This is Wizard of Oz on like psychedelics
Ashley (1h 1m 23s):
Eighties cocaine and really bad quality.
Anne (1h 1m 26s):
I mean, and it’s possible. Dear Little Drew was also almost cocaine. Almost.
Ashley (1h 1m 31s):
I’m just kidding. Just a couple months later, not quite yet. And then we end on her weird speech that like sums it all up.
13 (1h 1m 40s):
Oh my, the tree is so beautiful. As beautiful as all the things the Toy Master taught me. Oh, he
20 (1h 1m 47s):
Must be a very wise man.
13 (1h 1m 50s):
He was, he taught me that it was in our hearts that we must stay young and try to be good and above all we must believe. And then we’ll always have a Merry Christmas and everything. Won’t we Always. And always. And always.
Ashley (1h 2m 8s):
Okay. What, what? I don’t understand.
Anne (1h 2m 11s):
But honestly, like overall, I, I left at, at the end of the film I was like, okay, weird as hell. I like was like, I feel like I need to watch it it again. Like,
Ashley (1h 2m 20s):
Oh boy, really? I was like, that’s it. Never again. Every time I put myself through this, I’m like, why did I watch this? It’s so bad. This is my grand finale for Babes.
Anne (1h 2m 31s):
You’re like, I’ve done the podcast on it. Yeah. That’s like, I can put that away.
Ashley (1h 2m 34s):
My work here. It’s done. I think
Anne (1h 2m 36s):
I was just, I’m just like, Drew is is such a like weird point in her career. Yes.
Ashley (1h 2m 42s):
That is this like a very good reason to watch it. ’cause sometimes I’m like, oh my God, she’s exactly her how she was as a kid. Yes. And then sometimes I see like the older version of her, it is like a cool like bridge between both. Yeah.
Anne (1h 2m 54s):
And I think it might’ve been like, when I thought about watching it again, it wasn’t because I missed something in the storyline or felt like something needed to be clarified. It was more,
Ashley (1h 3m 3s):
Or you mean those songs again?
Anne (1h 3m 5s):
I mean I do, you know, the Cincy song really gets me going. Did we mention her name is Li Lisa Cincy Watsky? Or that that’s what the evil guys call her.
Ashley (1h 3m 15s):
Her name’s Lisa Piper. I think you did mention it already. Okay. But the, the bad guy can’t, doesn’t know what Cincinnati is. So he just calls her that the whole time over and over again.
Anne (1h 3m 26s):
Also. I love that her, her name is Piper. Do they say that towards the beginning
Ashley (1h 3m 30s):
When she gets to Toyland? I think she says that’s her name. Okay. Lisa
Anne (1h 3m 34s):
Pipe. That’s my mom’s maiden.
Ashley (1h 3m 36s):
Oh yeah, that’s right. Pipe. I’m surpris. You didn’t catch it.
Anne (1h 3m 39s):
Yeah, I didn’t. I must have not been listening very closely. Okay, so let’s just talk briefly about the release of this masterpiece
Ashley (1h 3m 47s):
Obscure masterpiece.
Anne (1h 3m 49s):
Yes. It aired December 19th, 1986. So basically right when we’re releasing this, right?
Ashley (1h 3m 55s):
Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. You’re
Anne (1h 3m 57s):
Right. Is it the same day we’re releasing
Ashley (1h 3m 58s):
It’s, yes. We did that again. I love it. Okay. 38 years ago. 38
Anne (1h 4m 4s):
Ago.
Ashley (1h 4m 4s):
That’s crazy. Today
Anne (1h 4m 6s):
If you’re listening on the day this is released December 19th. Totally crazy.
Ashley (1h 4m 9s):
I guess part of the reason that seems wild is because we watched on YouTube there’s an amazing, like basically Blu-Ray super high quality version. Oh my God. Yeah. And I can’t believe, like when you look at that, it doesn’t look 38 years old.
Anne (1h 4m 21s):
No. And I, I can’t believe that high, high quality thing is free on YouTube. It’s
Ashley (1h 4m 25s):
Weird. Yeah. It’s very great. We’ll link to it if anybody really wants to sit through this. Yeah, sure. The original airings. So this is like a thing that people who saw it originally still can’t get past. It was 140 minutes long, which
Anne (1h 4m 41s):
I’m like, that’s two hours and 20 minutes long. That’s
Ashley (1h 4m 44s):
Too much Babes in Toyland. I guess also,
Anne (1h 4m 47s):
Is it a Marvel movie?
Ashley (1h 4m 48s):
I know, right? I guess it included a lot of deleted songs, so, okay. No loss there probably. And that version has never been released and I’ve seen all over the internet for years. Oh, we want the full version. So when I was listening to Jill on $2 Late Fee, she said that even when they were doing it, they always knew it was gonna be shortened to 90 minutes for international releases. So they always knew stuff was gonna get cut out. It’s weird. Like what is the, I don’t understand the choice there. There. And she was calling it more. She said they were really calling it more of a mini series, even though it all aired in
Anne (1h 5m 23s):
One night.
Ashley (1h 5m 23s):
Oh. Like it wasn’t, they weren’t really considering it a movie.
Anne (1h 5m 26s):
Maybe they tr maybe they were going to release it in like parts.
Ashley (1h 5m 30s):
Yeah, maybe. But they ended up not doing that. And then they were like, wow, that was too long. We’re never gonna put that out again.
Anne (1h 5m 37s):
What a weird, this movie is just such a weird thing. Like also of course when you search for Babes in Toyland it comes with like all these different versions. So this is just one version that, you know, it’s the only one I’ve seen. Maybe the only one I’ll ever see. I don’t know. Weird movie. The plot seems like, it’s like almost a trope. Yeah. You know, to like have something happen and you know, it’s like totally, you go into another
Ashley (1h 6m 3s):
Universe, you wake up in another world. Yeah. Yeah.
Anne (1h 6m 5s):
But yeah, this was Babes in Toyland. If you, if you all haven’t seen it, you should definitely watch it. I think it’s worthwhile. Even if you’re just like, you know, watching it while you fall asleep might give you nightmares. Yeah.
Ashley (1h 6m 18s):
You wake up to that tralo. No, thank you. But yeah, it is a trip. It is a weird, weird moment in Drew’s filmography. If it wasn’t a Christmas movie, who knows when we would get to this one. Yes.
Anne (1h 6m 32s):
Yes. Exactly. And and the fact that like the Christmas elements of it. Yeah.
Ashley (1h 6m 37s):
It’s very small.
Anne (1h 6m 38s):
Yeah. It’s like just the beginning, we know it’s like they’re Christmas shopping.
Ashley (1h 6m 42s):
Yeah.
Anne (1h 6m 44s):
And then there’s a Christmas tree at the end. And then
Ashley (1h 6m 46s):
Santa. Don’t forget Santa. Oh
Anne (1h 6m 47s):
My God.
Ashley (1h 6m 48s):
Santa flying across the moon. Not nearly as good as ET flying across the moon. Oh my God. Those effects were rough.
Anne (1h 6m 55s):
I almost forgot about the effects. I’m gonna stop defending this movie.
Ashley (1h 7m 1s):
But it was still fun to talk about, that’s
Anne (1h 7m 3s):
For sure. Yes. I’m glad we did it because like, like we’ve said before, getting the excuse to rewatch some of these movies. Yeah.
Ashley (1h 7m 9s):
That is a really fun part of doing this podcast.
Anne (1h 7m 11s):
Like it is funny to be like, I’m doing research right now. Like this is important.
Ashley (1h 7m 15s):
This is important work.
Anne (1h 7m 16s):
Yes. Yes.
Ashley (1h 7m 18s):
I know. I was like, I was watching it at work. I was like, if anybody comes in here and hears this and looks at my screen, they’re gonna be like, what the hell are you doing?
Anne (1h 7m 25s):
Research. Research.
Ashley (1h 7m 28s):
All right. Thanks for sticking with us guys. I hope you didn’t have to watch the last part in double speed like I did with the end of Babes in Toyland. I was like, it’s at the end. If you had fun listening to us talk about this movie, please feel free to leave us a rating or a review. We are almost caught up with reading all the Apple podcast reviews that we know about. So give us some new ones and we’ll read your so on the air.
Anne (1h 7m 55s):
Yes please.
Ashley (1h 7m 57s):
And then of course, as we mentioned before, you can follow us on Instagram at How Do You Drew pod. And then if you wanna be like Drew Barrymore and engage with our other count, it’s at Drew Zm.
Anne (1h 8m 9s):
I, I mean, I just like zoned out for a second hearing. You say that
Ashley (1h 8m 14s):
You went to another world, you landed in a cake.
Anne (1h 8m 19s):
Yes. And while you’re on the internet, you know, ’cause we’re in a, the modern world, make sure you visit and subscribe to our Patreon. Make sure you visit our website at How Do You Drew dot com for episode page. We’ll have lots of fun behind the scenes and just really amazing stuff that you don’t wanna miss.
Ashley (1h 8m 36s):
Yes. There are gonna be some good photos for this one. Yes. So come check out the episode
Anne (1h 8m 40s):
Page super unique and send your listener mail to How Do You Drew [email protected]. Reach out to us on social media. Let
Ashley (1h 8m 48s):
Us know, are you one of those people that watch this as a kid and you have nostalgia and you think it’s great? Or are you with us and you’re like, what the hell is this movie?
Anne (1h 8m 55s):
I would love to hear someone who, who has nostalgia and like they,
Ashley (1h 8m 59s):
They exist. I’ve seen them out there. Yep,
Anne (1h 9m 1s):
Yep. It just, it just wasn’t us for whatever reason. Okay. My question to take us out today is, what’s your favorite Christmas themed dessert?
Ashley (1h 9m 11s):
Like always with the food?
Anne (1h 9m 13s):
I’m hungry.
Ashley (1h 9m 15s):
Do I have one that’s kind of a weird,
Anne (1h 9m 17s):
Or is there like a treat that comes out? Like if it’s candy or something that you feel like you have at Christmas time that you like?
Ashley (1h 9m 24s):
You know, I don’t really do it anymore, but we always used to have a jar of Hershey’s kisses. It was like a Christmas jar that only came out. I don’t even remember really what it looked like. I just remember the lid had one of those, you know, the like, kind of like suctioning blo like Yeah. One of those. So Hershey’s kisses, if I have those still kind of reminds me of Christmas time. Yeah.
Anne (1h 9m 44s):
I feel like they have a Christmas vibe for me too. Yeah,
Ashley (1h 9m 46s):
Well it’s that famous commercial that they’ve been airing forever with the little Hershey’s kisses doing the, we Wish You made Christmas. That’s, that might
Anne (1h 9m 53s):
Be white. That’s so true. And like a kind of a bell shape. Even with kisses. Yeah. Like, yeah. It’s so cute. Anyway, what is it for me? You know, I like Andy’s candies.
Ashley (1h 10m 2s):
Oh well yeah. I always like
Anne (1h 10m 5s):
Those. Yeah, I know they’re around all year. But I associate them with Christmas.
Ashley (1h 10m 8s):
I associate them with Olive Garden. Is that what they give you at the end of? Probably they give you a chocolate mint. It’s very Andy’s like, even if it’s not the same brand. Yes.
Anne (1h 10m 18s):
That is so funny. I thought, oh, I also like peppermint bark. So it’s like all of the different companies.
Ashley (1h 10m 24s):
I like peppermint, like
Anne (1h 10m 25s):
Pepper, pepper. Mm.
Ashley (1h 10m 27s):
All
Anne (1h 10m 27s):
Right. Now I need some candy. Okay, everyone. Merry Christmas. Possibly. Happy New Year.
Ashley (1h 10m 33s):
Yeah, no, really, I don’t think we’ll be out again until in 2024. So thanks for being here. This was a big year for us. We got a huge amount of new listeners this year. Yes. So wow.
Anne (1h 10m 43s):
Hope that it keeps just growing and next year’s even bigger. So here’s the 2024.
Ashley (1h 10m 48s):
Yeah, let’s do it. Thanks everybody. Merry Christmas, Happy, Holidays, all the good stuff.
Anne (1h 10m 53s):
Yes. And we’ll see you next Thursday.
Ashley (1h 10m 55s):
Bye-Bye
Anne (1h 10m 55s):
Bye.
22 (1h 11m 23s):
This episode of the How Do You Drew podcast was researched and produced by Ashley and Anne from thedrewseum.com with help from our sponsor, positive, medium.
Ashley (1h 11m 31s):
Special thanks to Matt Costa for our lovely theme song, Roxy Prima, for our adorable logo. And last but not least, Drew, Barrymore and all the Drewbie who love her, we do this for you. Thank you. Thank you.
Please note that this transcription was automatically generated and is currently unedited.
Ashley (24s):
Okay. Hello and welcome to How Do You Drew.
Anne (27s):
This is A Drew Barrymore Podcast, brought to you by thedrewseum.com
Ashley (31s):
And sponsored by our friends at Positive Medium.
Anne (34s):
I’m Anne.
Ashley (34s):
And I’m Ashley.
Anne (36s):
And our guests.
Movies That Made Us Gay (39s):
My name’s Pete. And I’m Scott. And we are, we are the Movies That Made Us Gay. Woo-hoo.
Anne (45s):
Welcome. Welcome, welcome.
Ashley (48s):
We were trying to think of a mashup name I came up with. How did you get So Gay Drew?
Movies That Made Us Gay (53s):
Hey,
Anne (55s):
Well what was mine? Ashley?
Ashley (56s):
These are the Drew-vies that made us gay.
Movies That Made Us Gay (59s):
Oh, I like that. I like that.
Anne (1m 2s):
So that’s our contribution to this collaboration. And we’re out.
Ashley (1m 7s):
So I’ll just kind of preface by saying, listeners have heard me rave about your podcast for the last, I don’t know, like two months. I found it with your ever after episode. And as I began listening to you guys, I was like, they really know their stuff. What? I’m not sitting here yelling at the car. Like that’s wrong, like I do with other podcasts, like a nerd. And then I started going through your entire,
Movies That Made Us Gay (1m 32s):
That catalog. Yeah,
Ashley (1m 32s):
That catalog. Thank you. And realizing you’ve done like every movie that’s been important to me my whole life. Like the weird stuff from my childhood and the stuff I obsessed about as a teenager by myself with no one else. And I’ve had so many moments. This sounds weird and creepy, but I’ve had so many moments listening to you guys where I like psychically say exactly whatever reference you’re about to say. And I’ve just like, these are my people. So I had to, to stalk you, find you, tell you you had to be my friends and come on the podcast.
Anne (2m 2s):
Yeah,
Movies That Made Us Gay (2m 3s):
Absolutely. Thank you so much for having us on. We love doing kind of like collaborations like this. Yeah. And you know, like you said, we, we try to do as much research as we can. And even if it’s something that like, I’m not super into, I’m just like, well, if I’m gonna blob about it on a microphone for an hour and a half, I need to at least, you know, give it a watch. So yeah. I’m, I’m the same way. If I’m, if I’m listening to a podcast, I’m like, oh my God, people get it together with these facts. Yeah. Just open up your MDB trivia. It’s nothing.
Ashley (2m 35s):
And I also appreciate like that you always get dates correct. Like years. Correct. ’cause I have a weird, like, especially in the nineties, I know exactly when anything came out.
Movies That Made Us Gay (2m 44s):
Yeah, that’s one. That’s all I kind of, I always have the show notes that has stuff like release dates. Yeah. Years, that stuff was made. Kind of like production information. I find all that stuff fascinating.
Ashley (2m 57s):
Yeah, me too. We’re, I guess we’re all a bunch of nerds
Anne (3m 2s):
And I’m like an archivist by like trade. And so I’m like, yes, yes. Let’s talk about dates, let’s talk about records.
Movies That Made Us Gay (3m 10s):
Meanwhile, I have no head for that. Scott will be like, remember when we saw this movie at that one movie theater? I’m like, sure. I guess happen.
Anne (3m 18s):
But also like, I think Ashlyn and I are a mix of that. Yeah. Because I, as Ashley has like the dates and facts, like kind of memorized, but then suddenly I’ll come out with some like random vivid memory of something and it’s like, I don’t, I don’t know.
Ashley (3m 32s):
It’s helpful. We’re a good team, just like you guys.
Movies That Made Us Gay (3m 37s):
Same with us. I think we’re all four of us are, we’re, we work well with each other and that’s why our shows are so successful. Yes.
Ashley (3m 42s):
Totally. Actually, I wanna ask, I’m curious about how you guys have gotten your Patreon so thriving.
Movies That Made Us Gay (3m 49s):
First of all, I am like so proud to say that like everything that we’ve done is completely grassroots. It’s all just like networking and friends and just putting out, I mean, not to pat myself on the back, but putting, just putting out a good product, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And so I think doing things like this, you know, yeah. Collaborating with other podcasts, like-Minded shows, cross-promotion, stuff like that. It’s really kind of spread the word about us. And just kind of being as diligent as we can with socials and just putting ourselves out there. I mean, it could always be better, but knock on wood, it’s as good as it is now. And yeah, we just, we’d love all of our listeners.
Movies That Made Us Gay (4m 31s):
It’s so weird. You know, I, I hesitate and I hate you’re fans. I hate saying you’re fans. I, I hate it. It’s so weird. And you know, when we have guests on, especially when they come to our apartment and we’re like, okay, now we’re gonna do the intro. So look over there, because I, I have to be weird on the mic now. Yeah. All that stuff is so crazy because, you know, we’re just, we’re podcast listeners. We’re enthusiasts. And so we are just like, Hey, we can do it too. And I don’t know, I think just like I said, just trying your hardest to put out as good of a product that we’re proud of and yeah. I don’t know, I guess to pain off somehow.
Ashley (5m 10s):
So Cool.
Anne (5m 11s):
I feel like we identify with that, like that way of going about it. Yeah, a hundred percent. We had this sort of community built in, so we’re like, let’s lean on that community. Let’s put out a product that we would enjoy if we were listening, you know? Yeah. Like Ashley’s always like, I love our podcast,
Ashley (5m 27s):
But I’m like, I listen
Anne (5m 28s):
To this,
Ashley (5m 30s):
I do do a successful
Movies That Made Us Gay (5m 31s):
Show. No. Scott will be editing and he’ll say like, this episode’s really good. And I’m just like, of course it is.
Ashley (5m 38s):
Yeah. That sounds like a really good, I really like this episode. Every time it’s really good. I’m
Anne (5m 44s):
Like, yay. Good. I’m so glad. How do Drewbie Drewbie,
4 (5m 51s):
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Anne (6m 2s):
They offer custom web design and professional coding, search engine optimization, marketing and hosting. So we’ve been hosted by them, but we’ve also been able to take advantage of a lot of their expertise in these other areas as well.
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Anne (6m 40s):
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4 (7m 2s):
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5 (7m 12s):
Drew. Barrymore is Amy Fisher. You ever been with an older guy? Unstoppable. Whatever Amy wants. Amy gets insatiable. I love him and I love the sex. I’m dangerous. I’ll do whatever it takes to get his wife out of the way. Don’t start what? You can’t finish. When I know what I want, I go for it. Let me see it. You are a psycho. Don’t say it though. This is getting outta control. The New York Times calls ABC’s the best of the three. Drew, Barrymore, The Amy, Fisher Story Sunday.
Anne (7m 42s):
So we are here to talk about The Amy, Fisher Story. Yeah.
Ashley (7m 49s):
Probably not one of the like top of the list. We gotta get to this movie, but
Movies That Made Us Gay (7m 54s):
We’ve referenced it on our show. Yeah.
Ashley (7m 56s):
That’s why I’m happy that you guys are bringing it to us in a way.
Movies That Made Us Gay (7m 59s):
Yeah. And before we get too into it, I just have to say on the call we have, we have a very special guest on the call. We have Drew here.
Ashley (8m 8s):
Oh my God.
Movies That Made Us Gay (8m 10s):
Well we have Dylan Saunders.
Ashley (8m 12s):
Yes. Did you know that she was just playing with that on the her show this week?
Movies That Made Us Gay (8m 16s):
Was she really?
Ashley (8m 17s):
It’s like the newest thing on their, the show’s. Instagram is her playing with that with Ariana Debos.
Movies That Made Us Gay (8m 23s):
I love,
Anne (8m 24s):
I’m so happy that this is, that Drew is here today. Yeah, her, her presence is definitely felt. It looks like Elle is stunned right now. She, Drew Barrymore has arrived.
Movies That Made Us Gay (8m 37s):
Kathy Griffin. Yeah.
Anne (8m 40s):
It’s really not, it’s really not a good,
Ashley (8m 43s):
It’s got a profile I feel like. And it’s got her butterfly tattoo. That’s most importantly of all.
Movies That Made Us Gay (8m 49s):
It’s got, it’s got the bear more jawline. Like the chin is definitely there.
Ashley (8m 54s):
The hair is wild.
Movies That Made Us Gay (8m 57s):
Insane. Yeah. These burrow curls are outta control. That’s all the character. Dylan Saunders has insane hair. But that is off topic.
Ashley (9m 7s):
I brought my Amy Fisher VHSI was like, I’ll have this behind me. And then I’m like, where am I gonna have this floating? No,
Anne (9m 14s):
I thought for a split second that they were going to pull out the, that
Ashley (9m 18s):
Would’ve been close enough. This is amazing.
Anne (9m 20s):
You know what I’m, I’m so happy that you have that.
Ashley (9m 23s):
I know.
Anne (9m 23s):
I just gotta say, this is making me so happy. Mine are like in storage still in the box. Yeah.
Ashley (9m 28s):
Ours are still in the boxes. Like for
Movies That Made Us Gay (9m 31s):
The first week of the pandemic, when everybody was like in their apartments finding stuff to do, I broke her out.
Anne (9m 39s):
Oh.
Movies That Made Us Gay (9m 40s):
Like I broke her out like week one of the pandemic.
Anne (9m 44s):
Please tell me you made like a movie or something with the doll. Just
Ashley (9m 48s):
Stop motion. Like the Rosie O’Donnell at Flower Films one.
Movies That Made Us Gay (9m 52s):
I feel we might, that one was wild. I feel like we might’ve done a couple of things that might be on the Patreon. I think there’s some like Christmas decoration videos. Yeah.
Ashley (10m 1s):
Oh, I started signing up for your Patreon the other day on my phone and I hit some sort of wall where I was like, I have to do this on a computer. And I’m so glad you reminded me. ’cause I need to do that.
Movies That Made Us Gay (10m 10s):
Well, lemme tell you this much listeners, the new Patreon app, they completely redesigned their social media. The new app is Carbon.
Ashley (10m 17s):
Okay.
Movies That Made Us Gay (10m 18s):
The new update’s kind of whack. Yeah. It’s weird. Anyway,
Anne (10m 20s):
Yeah, sometimes we talk shit about the platforms we used to. Yeah. Like
Ashley (10m 25s):
Being honest,
Anne (10m 26s):
You know, we’re just like make the technology better. Not worse.
Ashley (10m 31s):
Okay. So should we bring it back to Amy Fisher? For anyone who doesn’t know, this is obviously based on real events. I actually said something to my husband, I’m like, oh yeah, we’re doing The Amy, Fisher Story. He is like, what’s that? I’m like, you know Amy Fisher? And he is like, no. I was like, honey, you know Joey Butta Fuco? You know that name? He is like kind of, I’m like, oh my God.
Anne (10m 50s):
That’s what my boyfriend remembered was Joey. And I was like, Buttafuoco. Like, you
Ashley (10m 54s):
Can’t forget that one. But Pete, if I’m remembering right from what I had heard when you guys were talking about it, you like, remember this real time pretty well.
Movies That Made Us Gay (11m 1s):
Oh, I remember this Real, I think, I think I’m the senior member of this group. Okay. This did happen in 91, 92.
Ashley (11m 10s):
92. Yeah. Was when it like came out in the media.
Movies That Made Us Gay (11m 14s):
Yeah. So I’m in the eighth or ninth grade and I watched, the first one that aired was Amy Fisher My Story. Right. And so this is the one that’s Amy Fisher’s point of view. And in that one, they cast a really handsome guy as Joey. Right. Because it’s Amy’s story,
Anne (11m 36s):
Her perspective is that he was the dreamiest man alive. Yes.
Movies That Made Us Gay (11m 41s):
He was starring on the hit a b, c hour long drama sisters. Oh yeah. The, the girl who played Amy was not famous.
Ashley (11m 49s):
Noelle Parker. Right.
Movies That Made Us Gay (11m 51s):
Yes. So I saw that one first and that was the one that I was like, okay, this is the real deal because it came out first in my, and they must have 12-year-old brain. They must have fast tracked that.
Ashley (12m 1s):
Oh, all of them. They came out within a week of each other. I believe
Movies That Made Us Gay (12m 4s):
It was the very next week. It wasn’t like a year later. Yeah. So then the Alyssa and the Drew version, the Real Event night were on at the time on the same night. That
Anne (12m 15s):
Is crazy.
Movies That Made Us Gay (12m 17s):
So I’m watching the Alyssa version and flipping back and forth and all I’m getting is like newsrooms and courthouses and I’m like, I don’t wanna see this. But you were, you were invested with the Alyssa one.
Ashley (12m 30s):
Oh,
Movies That Made Us Gay (12m 30s):
More on the night. On the night. I feel like I watching Alyssa and then the reason I was kind of not into the Drew one because it was from this reporter’s point of view. So I got, whenever I would switch to it, it was always something weird. And I was like, I want Amy
Anne (12m 50s):
More Amy.
Movies That Made Us Gay (12m 52s):
It was just my luck of the draw of changing the channels. Had I started on Drew, I probably would’ve been sucked into that. And not really into that.
Ashley (12m 59s):
You just happened to come in at the bad scenes every time.
Anne (13m 3s):
But
Movies That Made Us Gay (13m 3s):
It’s like, it was always a,
Anne (13m 4s):
But that’s what makes the movie good as an adult now. It’s like, oh, okay. This movie’s actually like attempting to look at all these sides of it.
Ashley (13m 12s):
That’s true.
Movies That Made Us Gay (13m 13s):
They were also trying to do something interesting with storytelling. With storytelling. Yes. I mean, you have to kinda give Andy Tenet, this is kind of a schlocky made for TV movie, but for the most part it’s pretty well put together. Yeah. Like you can kind tell that, oh, he’s gonna go on to have a successful filmmaking career because this movie has, well-directed scenes of it, of kind of when they jump timelines, you get the point of view from the car, you get the point of view from Mary, but Fuko on the stairs. So it cuts together kind of interesting.
Anne (13m 46s):
It
Ashley (13m 46s):
Does, yeah. It’s got an interesting chronological way of like how they tell this story. And then we have to shout out Andy Tenet because of course he came back and directed ever after five years later, which is, I can’t believe it’s only five years.
Anne (13m 59s):
That seems crazy.
Ashley (14m 1s):
But like, it must have been like two decades between those two.
Anne (14m 5s):
No. And do, do we know Ashley if, like, did Drew have anything to do with bringing Andy TenneT on?
Ashley (14m 12s):
I believe so. Yeah. I’m pretty sure she did. Yeah. It’s just like, why would she think of,
Anne (14m 17s):
It’s like such
Ashley (14m 18s):
Weirdly different projects.
Movies That Made Us Gay (14m 22s):
Gosh. So we kind of fell down the rabbit hole of just the whole scandal and Oh yeah, we were watching, I watched it, I watched the entire a and e special.
Ashley (14m 35s):
I started that one actually on YouTube today.
Anne (14m 37s):
Do
Movies That Made Us Gay (14m 38s):
Like true crime stuff. Yeah. I watched the whole special on the Amy Fisher Joey Fuco drama. Okay. So, so my hot take just real quick, is that just like, even if Amy never shot Mary Jo.
Anne (14m 56s):
Yeah.
Movies That Made Us Gay (14m 57s):
Like they’re all pretty terrible, right? Even Mary Jo,
Ashley (15m 0s):
There’s no good side.
Movies That Made Us Gay (15m 3s):
I feel like Mary Jo’s kind of a piece of work. Yeah. Like I, I know she’s, she’s definitely a victim. She did not deserve to be, you know, shot and put through all of that. And her body is, you know, I think the, I think the post Joey Bongo marriage Mary is maybe a little more reflective. I like all of those interviews when she would go on Oprah of like after she divorced him.
Ashley (15m 25s):
You gotta tell us about those. ’cause I’m not that versed in that part.
Anne (15m 30s):
I forgot how many elements of this there are that the mom is weird. That Mary Jo is weird. Like every character is weird. Yeah. So, so tell me more about the like Oprah Mary Jo stuff. ’cause I haven’t seen it.
Movies That Made Us Gay (15m 43s):
So, okay. So the order of the events goes Amy Fisher gets out of jail in 99. She writes her tell all book, like The Inevitable Tell All book that she ends up going on Oprah to promote probably around oh three, I think. And it’s kind of interesting, you can tell that Oprah’s sympathetic to Amy just kind of ’cause clearly like Joey Buttafuoco kind of like took advantage of this sport.
Ashley (16m 12s):
Absolutely. Yeah, definitely.
Movies That Made Us Gay (16m 14s):
So when Oprah starts talking to her about shooting Mary Jo, you can tell that there’s something about the story that Oprah’s not buying that I think that Amy says that she was kind of meaning to hit Mary with the gun and it went off. It
Anne (16m 28s):
Went off,
Ashley (16m 28s):
Right. Yeah.
Movies That Made Us Gay (16m 30s):
But she pretty much said that she went over to kill her. Yeah. So Oprah’s kind of calling her out on which one was it? Inconsistencies of of that. You can tell that Oprah’s a little like impatient with this, with Amy. And then Mary is watching the show and she’s upset and she calls Oprah’s people and wants to go on
Ashley (16m 51s):
What like
Movies That Made Us Gay (16m 53s):
Yeah, like, I’m like, of course you wanna go on Oprah. Yeah, of course you wanna go on Oprah, but Mary wants, here’s my side of the story. Yeah, yeah. I don’t know how she got in touch with like Harpo studio, right. Mary Jo Butta Fuco. All right. Call us up. The name
Ashley (17m 7s):
Will will carry you through. Yeah.
Movies That Made Us Gay (17m 10s):
Kind of the flippant way that Amy was talking about. I didn’t really mean to shoot her that a, that still to this day that Mary Buttafuoco doesn’t buy. Yeah,
Ashley (17m 20s):
I, I don’t know if I buy that either. Yeah. But I definitely think she was, you know, taken advantage of and treated mercilessly by the media, which I like that this version of the movie gets into that. Right.
Movies That Made Us Gay (17m 33s):
Before kind of my big introduction to all of this is that I was a small child when all of this happened. I remember passing references to Amy Fisher when I was a kid. I think that there’s a joke in Adam’s family Values about Amy Fisher. Oh wow. Talking about the psychos, like trading cards when they’re at summer camp. That’s right. One Fisher. So that’s kind of was my main reference for all of this. And then I remember reading the introduction to the screenplay of American Beauty by Alan Ball, and Alan Ball talks about, and his introduction of that, the Amy Fisher, Joey Buttafuoco drama was a big inspiration for writing the script for American Beauty.
Ashley (18m 17s):
Wow. But that’s interesting. That’s
Movies That Made Us Gay (18m 19s):
Sort of the idea is that clearly these are, this is a wild story that the public will ev will never really know the true truth of. And that he kind of wanted to write something kind of like that. And when you look at kind of the bare bones of a script, like American Beauty, you have like the Long Island low lead type I guess. So you have kind of this guy like crisis. Yeah. You get an attempted murder at the end of the movie. I mean, Lester dies at the end of American Beauty. And in the original cut of American Beauty, it would go between Ricky and Janie in jail. Like on trial for Lester’s murder. Like that was the original cut of America.
Movies That Made Us Gay (18m 59s):
Whoa. And then Sam Mendez just kind of rehauled it and post that. It just kind of became something a little different. And I take it that probably the events of something like American Beauty would explode. Like the events that Yeah. Yeah. That it would become like a big tabloid scandal of this man that ends up dead and there’s like an underage girl in his house and maybe done by his daughter’s boyfriend. But yeah, just kind of interesting. That was kind of my main introduction to all of the story. And then when I first started going out with Pete, I think that Pete would just have, I’ve just always been obsessed with it. He’s always just with it too.
Movies That Made Us Gay (19m 39s):
So the three movies, I mean Alyssa and Drew battling it out on the same night on two major networks, Drew actresses whose careers have always kind of Yes.
Ashley (19m 48s):
Yeah. Strange little parallels. The Poison, Ivys
Movies That Made Us Gay (19m 53s):
Child actor Drew did movies and Alyssa did TV and they both kind of had the Wild Girl phase in the early nineties. Yeah. So we found an Esquire article from 2016. Yeah. And it talks about casting Drew in this version. Oh, let’s
Ashley (20m 13s):
Hear.
Movies That Made Us Gay (20m 14s):
Calling it casting a still controversial, still jail bait, Drew Barrymore to play. Fisher is a move straight out of the John Waters playbook and she owns the role.
Ashley (20m 24s):
Love that. When I was younger, I didn’t necessarily look at this time in Drew’s career and be like, Ooh, she is really young and being really treated sexually in the media. But now that I’m older, I do. And so it’s kind of weird to be like, I’m feeling for Amy Fisher being 16, 17 taken advantage as 17-year-old Drew is doing these scenes with this older man. It’s kind of weird
Movies That Made Us Gay (20m 47s):
Body double. I hope that that was a body double because that sexy
Ashley (20m 50s):
Well, we have some info on that. I’ll just jump to that. What happened was she did the love scene. She was clothed. It’s like ten second song. Then they did a scene with the body double and then they released that on video calling it like the uncensored version that couldn’t be seen on tv. And Drew was really upset. I have her quote here. So she said, America thinking that I’m letting this man go down on me makes me wanna vomit. I wish these people would get hit over the head with the two by 4 55 times until they understand what they did was wrong.
Movies That Made Us Gay (21m 26s):
I’m like, okay. So what we saw did not air on A, B, C.
Ashley (21m 28s):
Correct. Yeah.
Movies That Made Us Gay (21m 29s):
This is from the vhs, a VHS pull. Then
Ashley (21m 32s):
Those scenes, the ones, those shots,
Movies That Made Us Gay (21m 36s):
It makes a lot
Anne (21m 36s):
More sense. They were kind of gratuitous and I like almost forgot about them. And then I was like, that’s not Drew’s boob.
Ashley (21m 41s):
Yeah. And it wasn’t a, it wasn’t the wig either, I noticed right away. That’s not that shitty wig. Yeah.
Anne (21m 47s):
It was just to add some spice.
Ashley (21m 50s):
Yeah. And I can understand like, that’s not what she signed up for that that wasn’t what she agreed to film. Like Oy crazy. Yeah. And she’s 17.
Movies That Made Us Gay (21m 59s):
Yeah. She, I mean granted kind of, it’s, it’s topical and it’s a little bit not controversial, but I don’t know she understands that yes, this is The Amy Fisher Story. But she also knows that this is a made for television movie. This is running on primetime on a major network. So no, I don’t have to take my clothes off. And so Yeah. Yeah, I can imagine to see the, you know, the Unrated version on VHS and just like, what in the hell.
Ashley (22m 26s):
Yeah. Especially when they’re like advertising it as like, woo, come see Drew Barrymore. Like, you didn’t see her before.
Movies That Made Us Gay (22m 33s):
So, okay, so I forgot about the accent. Work in this mood finance in, now listen, she, you know, not for nothing. Sh Emmy nominated for Gray Gardens.
Ashley (22m 49s):
Yeah. Yes. Yes. She didn’t win that one, but nominated. Yes.
Movies That Made Us Gay (22m 53s):
Didn’t win that one. She got
Ashley (22m 54s):
The Golden Globe.
Movies That Made Us Gay (22m 55s):
Got got the Globe. And what Martha’s Vineyard is adjacent to Long Island. Right.
Ashley (23m 3s):
Anne, you’re the closest to the East Coast. Let us know.
Anne (23m 6s):
I don’t think that it’s good.
Movies That Made Us Gay (23m 10s):
I mean, I mean she’s going forth though. She’s making choices.
Ashley (23m 14s):
I remember Anne, if you remember Justine and Mel talking about this in one of the, I think it was Celebrity profile, her friends. And Justine just says that is a gnarly accent. I always remember that.
Anne (23m 28s):
I, I guess I can’t necessarily speak to its accuracy, but I feel like what I kept thinking is that it sounds like Drew is talking through her teeth.
Movies That Made Us Gay (23m 38s):
Sure. Yeah.
Ashley (23m 39s):
Okay. So we have a clip of her in 1993 on the very first episode of late Night with Conan and talking about her performance here,
6 (23m 50s):
You of the three Amy fishers. I think yours was by far the best.
7 (23m 54s):
Right. Thank you. No, it was very
6 (24m 1s):
Funny. It was cool. Now I gotta ask you, did you, A lot of actors, when they’re preparing for a role like that with a, a killer or a Murderer, they actually go and meet the person in prison. Did you do that? Because I know,
8 (24m 12s):
Well, let me tell you a little something about Amy. I didn’t get to meet her actually because she was, you know, going through all her court things and being arraigned at the time of the shooting. And it was very nerve wracking to be portraying somebody who was living in the media as we were shooting and Right. You know, trying to pull off the accent and do the whole thing and like, you know, understand everything and sort of come to terms with why she did the thing she did to have the sincerity to play her. But it was, I had to do it. I had to live out that humor I felt for this girl. Right. You
6 (24m 45s):
Know? So you, you didn’t meet with her, you didn’t talk to her, you just studied tapes
8 (24m 49s):
Or I just, I would listen to her voice over and over and over again.
Movies That Made Us Gay (24m 58s):
That was the first episode of Conan.
Ashley (24m 59s):
Very first one. Yes. Yep.
Movies That Made Us Gay (25m 1s):
Wild.
Ashley (25m 3s):
Isn’t that cool?
Movies That Made Us Gay (25m 5s):
I did not know that she was one of his first guests and, you know, putting yourself in Drew’s in Drew’s shoes and like in Drew’s position in the early nineties, it’s just like, what do you have to lose? Yeah.
Ashley (25m 15s):
Oh yeah. She,
Anne (25m 17s):
She wanted to shed this like little girl thing. She wanted to be like, I’m an adult
Movies That Made Us Gay (25m 22s):
Getting opera role. Like Amy Fisher. It’s just, I mean, especially at a time where I think that Drew was, I mean, I think that she was kind of lucky to be getting offers. Like I think that hair was really at a rock bottom and I mean, fuck yeah, I’m gonna do the Amy Fisher made for TV movie.
Ashley (25m 39s):
Yeah. She said she loved the character. Amy was the rarest one for me. Whereas Ivy and Poison Ivy, which I know you guys watched today, was something I created. Amy was an imitation. I was having to do scenes where the entire nation had seen her say these exact words. And then she also said like, it was just such a great challenge imitating a real person and it had to be just right. So that was another reason. She was like, I gotta do this. And it was just like, yeah, like you said, obvious. Like she’s, she has to do this.
Movies That Made Us Gay (26m 8s):
Yeah. Well, you know, we were, as we’re watching it, there’s this scene where there is that kind of surveillance video footage Yeah. About that when that guy sells her out.
Ashley (26m 20s):
Yes. That piece of shit.
Movies That Made Us Gay (26m 22s):
Yeah. And so that’s probably a tape that was on the news, probably verbatim. Probably not. I
Ashley (26m 29s):
Looked for it today actually. I wanted to see if it was that close, but I couldn’t find it. Oh,
Movies That Made Us Gay (26m 33s):
They probably knew that they couldn’t change the dialogue too much because it’s gonna be pretty closely examined. Yeah. Probably had to stick to whatever she said,
Anne (26m 42s):
Which is interesting.
Ashley (26m 44s):
And also like Drew has, so we’ll just kind of give you like a little more background as to what was going on. So she, this is when she was dating, you guys are gonna like this poll. Jamie Walters
Movies That Made Us Gay (26m 54s):
From The Heights
Ashley (26m 55s):
From The Heights and 9 0 2 1 oh Donna Martin’s abusive boyfriend. And they were engaged, of course she’s 17, but they’re engaged. And while they were in Vancouver filming this in late 1992, he broke up with her three days before she was supposed to come back by phone. And she begged him to wait. And when she got back he had moved out of their apartment and this was like a dark time for her anyway, playing Amy. And then this happened on top of that.
Movies That Made Us Gay (27m 22s):
Oh my gosh. Yeah,
Ashley (27m 24s):
She was really broken up by it.
Anne (27m 26s):
Yeah. We had a like a bunch of articles around this time that we were reading and she was just like, I’m so heartbroken, I’m so like, I can’t imagine like, wow. And she’s like, yeah, like 17.
Ashley (27m 36s):
Yeah. Like, it’s
Anne (27m 38s):
Crazy.
Movies That Made Us Gay (27m 39s):
That’s wild. That is. That’s absolutely wild.
Ashley (27m 42s):
We also have a clip of her on, I know you guys love the Rosie O’Donnell show, so we’ve been talking about this on the pod. Rosie’s slowly putting all the episodes on her YouTube. They’re
Movies That Made Us Gay (27m 53s):
All on our YouTube.
Ashley (27m 54s):
Oh my God. So I’ve been waiting for this one. This is from 1999 from April. And this was like my favorite one. I like watching it again now I knew the whole thing by heart because I used to watch Oh my God, on my tape.
Movies That Made Us Gay (28m 6s):
No, I think, I’m sure that I’ve seen this interview. I think I, I probably watched this live. You
Ashley (28m 11s):
Probably did. You might remember the Play-Doh desk. That was like the thing from this one that I always remember. But sh I, as I was watching it, I was like, wait, she’s about to talk about Amy Fisher. I remember this. And so I was like, perfect, we’re gonna throw this in here.
8 (28m 27s):
Yeah. When I was playing Amy Fisher, that was really hard. Yeah. I was in Vancouver, I was all alone. I was playing like, you know, a psycho slut. It was insane.
9 (28m 38s):
A murdering psycho slut. I know. Yeah. She’s getting outta jail, you know? Is she, Mary Jo supposedly forgives her right now. She’s getting outta jail.
8 (28m 45s):
Well that’s full circle. It
9 (28m 47s):
Sure is, isn’t it?
Ashley (28m 48s):
Yeah. That’s nice. Oh, that’s a whole, oh my God,
Anne (28m 51s):
She’s so cute.
Ashley (28m 52s):
Oh, I love that episode so much.
Movies That Made Us Gay (28m 54s):
Wow. Wow. She would’ve been doing Preston never been Kissed. If it was April of 99, then yeah.
Ashley (28m 58s):
Look at. Correct. See, this is why you have my heart Scott. That is like, me too. A I am that person all the time.
Movies That Made Us Gay (29m 8s):
I love that. I also love that Z is just like, oh sure. She’s getting outta jail first. I’ve heard of it. Yeah. Keeping up with Amy just finds out about it all on the show. Yep.
Ashley (29m 18s):
She’s like, gotta gotta move on with my life not holding onto that Amy Fisher stuff
Movies That Made Us Gay (29m 24s):
With Mary Fuko. Like Yeah, that’s real. Is that she kind of like, she made these statements that she forgives Amy that clearly she was like taken advantage of and I mean,
Ashley (29m 34s):
You guys seem to know more. Did Mary Jo like finally admit that the relationship had happened between Amy and Joey?
Movies That Made Us Gay (29m 41s):
I, I think she, yeah, I think she does because he was, he wanna go to jail suspended afterwards for statutory rape and got like seven months or something.
Ashley (29m 50s):
Oh my God.
Movies That Made Us Gay (29m 51s):
Yeah. But I think that the age of consent in New York was 17. Okay. So, and I think she was like months away from her 17th birthday. So it was a whole thing of just like, well, you know, how different was she in the like 50 days? My God. Before she was like a consenting adult and blah, blah, blah, all this like garbage nonsense. And he gets like seven months. Right. And I think it was for like one count or something. Yeah. But she stuck with him through all of that. And I think, I think in the end she was just like, yes, he did. You know, he did cheat on me, did have this affair, whatever. But I, you know what’s interesting about this version because of, you know, with the three and all that is that The Amy Fisher Story is like, he was handsome.
Movies That Made Us Gay (30m 40s):
He was charming. He lured me in and yes, he pushed me into this world of prostitution. Yeah. Right. The the Alyssa version is like, I don’t know her, it’s like the but Fuco endorsed one. Right. Right.
Ashley (30m 55s):
And it’s,
Movies That Made Us Gay (30m 57s):
I don’t know her, who is she though? She’s just, why are you so obsessed with me? She, she keeps showing up to the top Yeah. About this damn car. Yeah. But then, but then this one is just like, yes, she has a pager. Yes. She’s turning tricks. Maybe Joey’s aware of it, but not fully involved in that. Yeah.
Ashley (31m 15s):
They left that kind of vague. Yeah.
Movies That Made Us Gay (31m 16s):
They left that very vague. And so, but they were fully explicit in that yes, he was seeing her, but kind of like not really su super into it. I guess like the her and the tricks thing seems like that was on her in this version. I think so. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He
Ashley (31m 31s):
Like mentions later that Joey got her into it, but they never show it. Right. Yeah. Right.
Movies That Made Us Gay (31m 36s):
IJI just love how everybody was so outraged that she had a pager. I
Ashley (31m 40s):
Know. That was one of my notes, the quote a beeper. Yeah.
Movies That Made Us Gay (31m 45s):
I dunno if you watched the real world. It’s just like, why do you have a beeper? Do you still really
Ashley (31m 48s):
Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh, I totally remember that. That was a big deal. I’m right in between you guys age-wise, so I get all the references.
Movies That Made Us Gay (31m 58s):
Yeah. That was real world season one. That was an old one, but I mean, I had a, I was in high school when people had pagers and Yeah, me too. Yeah. So that was to to to, you know, to me and to listeners already just, just like, why would you be so outraged by it? But I guess at that point in 91 or 92, it
Ashley (32m 17s):
Was too early for somebody that age to have a beeper. No one was beeping. I love you with the like numbers or boobs or
Movies That Made Us Gay (32m 28s):
Yeah, absolutely. A I found it very interesting that this was kind of the split down the middle of who’s kind of side, you know, more objective I guess. Yeah. And you get the tabloid journalist angle from the post,
Ashley (32m 57s):
Which I appreciated. That’s one of my notes is that I appreciate that she’s like kind of saying some of the things that maybe a lot of people weren’t saying back then about like, Hey, this is a teenage girl. Like, why are we,
Anne (33m 9s):
It’s kind of a feminist perspective from that journalist. Like it’s, it’s, it’s kind of cool for, I mean, even when you think about like sex work potentially being like Amy’s own idea. Like, hey, that’s kind of feminist. If
Ashley (33m 21s):
We’re like, coming from the people, why is this becoming like, why is she getting vilified? Right? Yeah.
Anne (33m 26s):
So it’s kind of like, oh, interesting. Like what, yeah. If, if there was an Amy endorsed version, do we think it would be this one? Would she be on board with, you know, being like,
10 (33m 37s):
Talking about Joey? I love talking about
Anne (33m 40s):
Joey. I love that part.
Movies That Made Us Gay (33m 44s):
We just talk about Joey. But Fuco, it’s just like, if you’re really gonna risk at all, are you gonna be doing it for this one Joey Fuco? Oh my
Ashley (33m 51s):
God,
Movies That Made Us Gay (33m 52s):
I don’t know. As
Ashley (33m 52s):
Soon as he comes on the screen and I feel like this guy’s pretty accurate to the real one. I was just like, puke. Like, I can’t, this guy makes me sick. Like, and he’s just flirting with her.
Movies That Made Us Gay (34m 3s):
There’s not any other like, long Island guys in the, in the body chop.
Anne (34m 8s):
I mean like tight, tight T-shirt and like this kind of empty hammer pants. Yep. Yeah. I mean, I don’t know, it kind of got me a little, I’m no, absolutely not. Absolutely not. But I feel like at that time he might have just been so slick.
Ashley (34m 29s):
Yeah, I I mean it could have been a charm thing. Yeah.
Anne (34m 32s):
Good place. And
Movies That Made Us Gay (34m 33s):
It’s time and place too, because it’s the car that she was Dr I forget what kind of car it was, but it’s, you know, it’s a very like Jersey shore, I feel like Long Islands, you know, the Jersey Shore, all that. It’s a, it’s a specific regional thing that, you know, people who look a certain way and they’ve lived a very comfortable middle class life in Long Island. And that was just something that Amy probably just aspired to. Like, she really saw herself living the rest of her life with Joey.
Ashley (35m 0s):
Yeah. I did appreciate like the kind of scene where she goes to her friend’s house and they give her dinner and you can tell she’s just like, this is like what I need in my life. And her, oh my God. The scene where her on Christmas morning and her mom’s like folding all the wrapping paper from the presents to reuse them. Oh my.
Anne (35m 16s):
I’m like, that’s such a cool
Ashley (35m 17s):
Little touch.
Anne (35m 18s):
But I like that touch.
Movies That Made Us Gay (35m 20s):
I was gonna say, the Christmas morning scene was also giving us a little female trouble. That was very John Waters not on Christmas. Dawn, she was gonna knock the tree down on top of her mom and just like stomp on all the presents.
Ashley (35m 33s):
She was just like sitting there. I kept waiting for something to happen too. So all of her little blowups, like, especially at the beginning, I was like, she’s, she looks like such a babe. But she is such a freaking bratt the way she was acting towards her parents. And, and then I was like, this is how Drew was to her mom when she was like 12, 13. And I was really wondering if she pulled some of that. Like, this is how she would act to her mom in real life. Which is so wild to think about. Probably like slamming doors. Like get, you’re not allowed to come in the house. Like she really told her mom what to do at one,
Anne (36m 9s):
But I think that was like, wasn’t she really high too?
Ashley (36m 12s):
Yeah. Or she was pissed that her mom was keeping her from going and getting high. Yeah. But yeah, I thought that was interesting to think about. And then I have, we have a picture of one of the script pages ’cause I’m sure you guys notice how much she plays with her hair in the movie Her amazing wig. Yeah. And in the script it said it called for that and it said it’s as if her hair was an extension of her personality. I thought that
Anne (36m 37s):
Was fun. I did notice actually that the way she was playing with her hair felt like a character thing, not Drew.
Ashley (36m 42s):
Yeah. It’s not the way Drew Drew plays with her hair a lot because
Anne (36m 44s):
There’s a part where she was like putting her hair in a ponytail and she kind of did like a thing and I was like, yes. That, that feels so specific. Yeah. For some
Ashley (36m 52s):
Reason’s. Especially because she does play with her hair all the time. It was like totally different than how she Yeah.
Movies That Made Us Gay (36m 57s):
Right, right. She, she’s going down the very like Eileen Waro, like sure. Glaring out. But I think, you know, there’s those famous shots of when they arrested Amy and she’s in the cutoff jeans and she’s, and she’s coming out the white T-shirt and the white T-shirt and her hair is down over covering her face. And so I think that that I, to me it was like, okay, she, she’s young, she’s a kid. She uses her hair in this famous shot to, you know, to, to shield her face from the cameras. So let’s take that and extrapolate Yeah. And like run with it and it’s awesome. Love that as the character. Yeah. And there’s, okay, there’s two scenes where she goes to confront Mary Jo at the door.
Movies That Made Us Gay (37m 42s):
At the door. There’s the first one where she’s selling candy. Yes. That shot the hair is wild. Yeah. It’s
Ashley (37m 50s):
Is that when she has like under like that with the hat?
Movies That Made Us Gay (37m 53s):
No, that’s,
Ashley (37m 53s):
That’s when she shoots her.
Anne (37m 56s):
It’s like, it’s like rizzi.
Movies That Made Us Gay (37m 58s):
It’s frizzy, it’s down, it’s completely down. And it’s just completely like, it looks like Amy is like, I don’t know, picture day or going to the glamor shots. She’s like, this is her ready to like show the world. And I didn’t remember to me in my head like, I don’t know how, I don’t remember how the events went down and we didn’t watch either versions, but I remembered the whole like selling candy angle and I thought that was when she shot her. So Yeah, I don’t, because like when that scene came up I’m like, oh shit. Like we’re already here. Yeah, yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I was watching a, a news story and they were interviewing that Filipino kid.
Movies That Made Us Gay (38m 40s):
Oh. And he was kind getaway driver. He was kind of reflecting back on it of just like, I don’t know, it’s just like I couldn’t get a clear shot. I’m just not doing it.
Ashley (38m 49s):
That’s why’s the reason
Movies That Made Us Gay (38m 52s):
Back on. Yeah. Helping Amy and he’s just like, I can’t even get a clear shot. It’s like all these, this is whack. I’m not doing it. But all these people in her life just doing these things just ’cause she’s like, just do it. Like, I need a gun. Okay. What, like
Anne (39m 5s):
Who are, I think it’s like, is it like pretty girl treatment or am I putting that on her because it’s Drew like, I don’t know. I mean master manipulator maybe. I don’t know.
Movies That Made Us Gay (39m 15s):
Yeah. Yeah.
Ashley (39m 16s):
That’s how she’s portrayed right? In the media.
Movies That Made Us Gay (39m 19s):
Yeah. Yeah. But but again, like the, the way the media portrayed her was just like so wild at the time. So who knows exactly. Like what Yeah. The real stories. But the real Amy, these interviews are so kind of all over the place. I mean granted the Oprah one was 25 years ago, so it’s like, who knows? But she does seem like, yeah, maybe there is some sort of like, I don’t know, what would you sociopath kind of tendencies there where she Yeah. Manipulating people.
Ashley (39m 50s):
I did like notice when I was watching some of the videos of her back in that time, like she has sort of a vacancy in her face that I felt like Drew captured. Like Drew does not have her normal sparkle in this movie at all. Like she really, no,
Anne (40m 4s):
There are a couple scenes where I feel like I’m like, oh this is really cute. Like there’s like a post sec, the post sex scene where she’s like,
Ashley (40m 10s):
That’s true, you’re
Anne (40m 11s):
Right. And like that looks like Drew. Like it’s, but most of it’s her smile. I know, but most of it, it really doesn’t feel like her,
Ashley (40m 17s):
Which is cool. It’s kind of fun to like have something so outta the box like that. For her
Movies That Made Us Gay (40m 22s):
It was fun today to, to double feature them that we watched The Amy Fisher Story last night. And then I watched Poison Ivy this morning ’cause it had been a while since I watched it. So I, yeah, I sat down and had my morning cup of coffee and I watched all of Poison Ivy
Ashley (40m 34s):
As you do.
Movies That Made Us Gay (40m 37s):
It’s kind of really interesting to see her do these two rolls back to back. Oh yeah. And I forget how good she is in Poison Ivy. Yeah. It’s kind of how really she just really knew that character and that you’ve never really, you’re always kind of on Ivy’s side oddly through
Anne (40m 55s):
Yeah.
Ashley (40m 56s):
Yeah. ’cause she’s so charismatic or something.
Movies That Made Us Gay (40m 58s):
She’s so charismatic and she worked so well with Sarah and you can really tell in that movie that like, this movie was made by a woman. Yeah. Like I, if Poison I do is handed off to like a man, it probably turns a little even more Bemo. Schlocky. Yeah. But it all works though.
Ashley (41m 14s):
I know. It’s so it’s gonna be fun when we finally cover that one, but we’ll have a lot to say. I mean
Anne (41m 18s):
Is isn’t it kind of insane to think like, okay, so this is like Drew Barrymore under 20 playing these like very mature, sexy roles and then the person Drew Barrymore doesn’t even think of herself as like sexy. She’s like, I am just playing a role. Like that’s not me. I get to like pretend I’m that person. And then you look at her and it’s like she knows exactly what she’s doing. You know, like, I dunno. But it’s, it’s amazing to think like, I don’t know, just looking at the person and who she’s portraying and just how like charged she is as those characters. I don’t know how powerful. Yeah. And then it’s like, it’s just this person who thinks she’s a dork. It’s like, what?
Movies That Made Us Gay (41m 58s):
Yeah. I think we might have to pull a triple feature and, and finally finish Doppelganger. Oh, oh, oh my
Ashley (42m 6s):
God. Is it gonna be gun crazy or doppelganger? Those are the other, like from this era doppelganger. Have you guys ever seen it all the way through?
Movies That Made Us Gay (42m 13s):
I have. I’ve seen bits and pieces of it. We live in the doppelganger neighborhood. Yeah. We’re very close to her. We’re very
Ashley (42m 18s):
Close to the apartments.
Movies That Made Us Gay (42m 20s):
We’re about like less than 10 minutes away from it.
Ashley (42m 22s):
Yeah, that is, that is an interesting, Drew’s famous quote on that is, you’d rather stick pins in your eyes than watch that movie.
Movies That Made Us Gay (42m 31s):
Yeah, I watched it on cable. I think it was made for cable and I just
Ashley (42m 37s):
Remember. Yeah, probably.
Movies That Made Us Gay (42m 38s):
Yeah. I just remember like, oh, George Newburn. I love him. He’s so cute. Oh, Drew. I love her. Of course I’m gonna watch this and then just, it’s very LA like there’s a lot of, like they go to this restaurant in MacArthur Park that’s kind of like a famous historic like old like deli diner situation. And, but yeah, the monster is insane. I know they’re trying to go for a very like Vertigo esque kind of situation.
Ashley (43m 4s):
It’s actually supposed to be inspired by breakfast at Tiffany’s. Can you guys believe that?
Movies That Made Us Gay (43m 9s):
Okay.
Ashley (43m 10s):
Alright. And you can, there’s little things where when you know that you’re like, okay. But it’s, I remember when I rented that movie when I was like, so it’d be like 99 when I’m getting into Drew and I have her IMDB printed and highlighting ’em as I go to Blockbuster. And then I must have returned it late. And I was there later with my mom and she’s like, what is this movie? We have a late fee gang evil gangs Doppelganger the Evil within. I’m like, oh, that was me.
Anne (43m 36s):
Evil gangs hold. I forgot. I just, my brain would couldn’t stop thinking about this picture. So I just had to Oh
Ashley (43m 44s):
Darling.
Movies That Made Us Gay (43m 48s):
Well look again with the long dark hair.
Ashley (43m 50s):
Yeah. It’s actually pretty similar in wig to Amy
Movies That Made Us Gay (43m 56s):
And Amy Fisher. You’re welcome. The real hair of Amy Fisher. I mean it’s that type of like mouse brown that like really dirty brown hair. Oh, well, I mean, not to like, like judge hair color, but you know, it’s just that it’s,
Anne (44m 11s):
But not to judge hair colors, but dirty mousey brown. But
Ashley (44m 16s):
They went likey red in the wig. Yeah. There’s like red tones for sure.
Movies That Made Us Gay (44m 22s):
Well I also love the very early nineties kind of makeup styling that brick red Yeah. That she has. And also in doppelganger, I think too, she’s got a very dark red,
Ashley (44m 34s):
A lot of dark lips in the early nineties. I loved all of her wardrobe in this movie. I was like really feeling it
Anne (44m 41s):
Like
Ashley (44m 42s):
Bodysuits and like it was early nineties in an accurate way. Not like in a way you would try to make something look early nineties now. Right?
Anne (44m 51s):
Well
Movies That Made Us Gay (44m 52s):
A fast turnaround of all three of these movies is just Yes.
Ashley (44m 56s):
Mind blowing. It came out January 93. Like January 3rd.
Movies That Made Us Gay (44m 60s):
Yeah. Well
Anne (45m 1s):
That’s
Movies That Made Us Gay (45m 1s):
What Drew was, I think. Was she saying it to to to to Conan of just like, no, I didn’t go to meet her because like, there was no time happening in real time.
Anne (45m 10s):
She literally was in court when we were filming. Mary
Movies That Made Us Gay (45m 14s):
Was shot in May of 92 and the movie came out in January.
Ashley (45m 17s):
Yeah. That’s wild. Right.
Anne (45m 18s):
Well
Movies That Made Us Gay (45m 19s):
First of all Mary Jo, but Fico, I mean regardless of my feelings or anyone’s feelings about her, but this woman is like unsinkable. She gets shot in the head. Yeah. I, and she’s on the courthouse steps giving these interviews. Yes. Grant, she has nerve damage. She has, you know, hearing loss. Her face is partially paralyzed. But this woman is out there and she’s telling her truth. She’s ready for a press conference telling
Ashley (45m 48s):
Her truth. Fiercely too.
Anne (45m 50s):
But fiercely protecting Joey. Well, you know, it’s just like that part me, which is like, okay, okay, is he worth it? Is he worth it? Mary?
Movies That Made Us Gay (46m 1s):
The is we have to, we can’t defend but her,
Anne (46m 4s):
Her
Movies That Made Us Gay (46m 5s):
Conviction to all. To all of it. Yeah. Truly. And just like, like I said, shot in the head, nearly paralyzed, nearly dead. She’s worked on for hours and hours and hours. And like the next day is just like, it was that girl, it was that Fisher girl. You know, you’re just, wow. How, how does this woman just like still out there?
Anne (46m 26s):
Oh my God. Speaking of Drew being beautiful, which is always my input there. The scene when she like is on the lineup and she has to point her out. I was like, oh, Drew looks so pretty. Yeah, there’s a
Ashley (46m 37s):
Lot. I was like, Amy, Amy’s cute, whatever. But Drew’s like really pretty of this. I’m like, she’s a little more pretty than Amy.
Anne (46m 44s):
That’s thing
Movies That Made Us Gay (46m 45s):
Because they got this, what was her name of the, the, the, my story. Noelle.
Ashley (46m 49s):
Noelle Parker.
Movies That Made Us Gay (46m 50s):
No, Parker. And she looks the most like, yeah,
Ashley (46m 54s):
I agree.
Movies That Made Us Gay (46m 55s):
And then you get Alyssa Milano who launched Ariel like straight boy. Like every straight Gen X guy on earth is just like Alyssa Milano first crush right up there. And, and Drew just like this face. Right. They, they got the two of the prettiest, like pretty, they’re just, the both of them are just pretty, like there’s no other way.
Ashley (47m 22s):
You can’t hide it.
Movies That Made Us Gay (47m 23s):
Yeah. I dunno a lot about television life rights when you’re involved in something like this that, like was she just given a, just we want to use your story. Here’s a lot of money. Or were they tied to particular movies? Like, like I don’t know how that works.
Anne (47m 40s):
That’s like interesting. I actually don’t even know like TV
Movies That Made Us Gay (47m 43s):
Rights. I don’t know
Anne (47m 44s):
To have three things. They must have like, you know, they all paid a lot. Yeah. Or it was some batch
Ashley (47m 51s):
Deal.
Movies That Made Us Gay (47m 54s):
Unofficial. And I think the thing with life rights, like you’re saying Scott, like this isn’t like a Janie Glin Janis Johnson situation. Yeah. Because they didn’t put out any sort of product. We’re not licensing any, they have licensed previously. This is just all in the public. I mean, is it pretty much just ABC just saying, we wanna make a story of all these events, here’s a track. I think so. Yeah.
Anne (48m 18s):
Probably. I
Movies That Made Us Gay (48m 19s):
Mean, she would, so she would’ve had to have been paid by three networks then I, I guess
Ashley (48m 24s):
Rent and especially at that time, like who knows how those things worked. I, it’s probably totally different now.
Movies That Made Us Gay (48m 29s):
Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. But I think we’re really lucky with this because of the three with a story, because of the three different perspectives. But with this movie in particular, I just think that Drew is in such a unique period of her career and her life and, and all that. And and like we said, it’s just a few years later, like Wayne’s World is like,
Ashley (48m 53s):
Oh that’s like a second later. Yeah. Same year as this. It came out the same year.
Anne (48m 58s):
Yeah. And I
Movies That Made Us Gay (48m 59s):
Remember as a kid just say,
Anne (48m 60s):
It’s so weird. Look.
Movies That Made Us Gay (49m 1s):
And she looks so, and she’s gets to be Dr. I mean she’s B and Rigan, but she gets to be Drew.
Anne (49m 7s):
She, yeah,
Ashley (49m 8s):
She’s bubbly. So pretty in that scene.
Anne (49m 10s):
Yeah.
Ashley (49m 12s):
I love 93 Drew. She’s like especially gorgeous to
Anne (49m 15s):
Me.
Movies That Made Us Gay (49m 16s):
Yeah. It’s like all, I was a perfect age for Wayne’s World and I remember all my guy friends were just like, Drew Barrymore. Like she’s so pretty. Like they just loved her and Yeah. All my, all my straight guy friends, like to this day like still quote like oh B and Kegan and all that good stuff. But
Ashley (49m 35s):
Are you guys ever gonna cover Wayne’s World? That’s one of the only movies from my childhood that I feel like you guys haven’t touched on.
Anne (49m 43s):
It didn’t make them gay.
Ashley (49m 44s):
Yeah. I’m like, does it count? I don’t know. I’ll
Movies That Made Us Gay (49m 46s):
Gladly be in a throuple or with in like aor relationship with all of the crew members. Oh, that’s true. We love the, we love we love the crew members of Wayne’s World. All the guys that shoot each, all, all those MBOs that all,
Ashley (49m 59s):
All the long-haired metal dudes.
Movies That Made Us Gay (50m 3s):
Yep. That’s, that’s
Ashley (50m 5s):
Close enough. Right? You guys could do episode
Anne (50m 8s):
Not
Movies That Made Us Gay (50m 8s):
Alone. That’s our angle right there. But I mean, and Carrera, I mean I can we could we’ll talk. Yeah.
Ashley (50m 12s):
All just planting a seed for you. ’cause I was like, every movie that mattered to me, I was like, oh no Wayne’s world.
Movies That Made Us Gay (50m 20s):
You know, we, I feel like, you know, ’cause it’s just randomly on television, you know, cable, whatever. It’s always on demand too. Yeah. And I feel like one day I was just watching it and Scott’s like, you just watching, you’re just watching Wayne’s World now. I think I came home from work one night and we just watched the whole thing and just laughed. I love it. Like yeah. It’s Wayne’s world. It’s funny.
Ashley (50m 54s):
All right, back to Amy. And we have a couple notes we wanna just touch on real quick. So Anna and I made the exact same note for our beginning of our notes, like almost verbatim.
Anne (51m 3s):
It’s actually really funny. I,
Ashley (51m 5s):
All I did was I was cracking up. I don’t know, are you guys familiar with Mad Love? Did you guys ever watch that one from 95? I remember
Movies That Made Us Gay (51m 11s):
Watching Mad Love with her and her and Chris O’Donnell. Chris O’Donnell.
Ashley (51m 13s):
Yeah. Yeah. It’s a Drewbie favorite. It touches a lot of people’s souls. But anyway, the opening scene of this movie where Amy’s in the hospital and and I both were like typing this looks just like the scene in Mad Love where she’s in the
Anne (51m 26s):
Hospital. Well and we both use the word reminiscent. Reminiscent
Ashley (51m 29s):
Because we share a brain. Apparently we had to mention that.
Anne (51m 33s):
Yeah. Because I literally, it was like it started and I was like, this really feels like mad love. And it’s weird to think it’s like only a couple years later. Yeah. Which is really strange.
Ashley (51m 42s):
Super weird.
Anne (51m 43s):
Very strange.
Ashley (51m 44s):
And then I also wanna mention all the like prop photos. We love when they Oh yeah. For movies when they take actual photos of the person in character. But it’s not just like a still from the movie. ’cause I hate that. Yeah. So I loved her school picture. I thought it was so cute. And then all of the newspapers, I was sitting there going like, oh, I wonder what happened to all these prop newspapers with Drew as Amy.
Anne (52m 6s):
We need them for the Drew zm, whoever has them.
Movies That Made Us Gay (52m 10s):
I’m sure that Andy, Andy has it in his office.
Anne (52m 12s):
Oh, there we go. We’ll reach right out to Andy and tell him if he wants to donate them, put us in his will for the Amy Fisher story. Prop newspapers please. I’m asking.
Ashley (52m 25s):
I tried to connect with him when we did our ever after episode, but he, I think I sent him a message. He never saw it. So we’ll keep trying.
Anne (52m 31s):
It’s funny how sometimes Instagram has been like amazing for us for connecting. Yeah. And sometimes it’s just people don’t know.
Ashley (52m 39s):
They don’t even see it.
Movies That Made Us Gay (52m 41s):
Yeah.
Ashley (52m 43s):
I’m always shooting my shot though
Movies That Made Us Gay (52m 46s):
Restrictions that it’s like, yes, what it was sent, but I don’t know, maybe did they receive it? I don’t know. Yeah. So that love though, I mean, so this is 95 and this is, you wanna talk about somebody launching a lot of ships? Chris O’Donnell? Yeah. With that Buzz cut ve been on our show.
Ashley (53m 4s):
Same, well Batman Forever, same summer. Like big time for both of them.
Anne (53m 9s):
I think he’s so boring. Sorry,
Movies That Made Us Gay (53m 14s):
He’s duller than like watching the paint dry. A hundred percent. But there’s a very, like there’s a meme that that just goes around on like gay Instagram and like gay Twitter of him in his robin suit saying like, you remember the moment you knew you were gay or like, oh my God. Amazing. The, the new version of it is drag queens reading a story aren’t gonna turn your kids gay, but Chris O’Donnell and Batman.
Ashley (53m 46s):
Absolutely will. That’s so good. Yeah. Yeah. Something about that buzz cut like that’s very, I like really, that’s like a very distinct memory for me. I think I had like a corn pops box where he was like on it as Robin and I cut it out. Oh my God, I’m having weird flash. But I
Anne (54m 2s):
Didn’t know you were such a, I
Ashley (54m 4s):
Wasn’t really but he was cute in that moment. Everybody was into him for a second.
Movies That Made Us Gay (54m 9s):
I, I think that he’s still kind of rocking the buzz cut too. You know, you find a look that works. Just stick
Ashley (54m 14s):
With, can’t blame him.
Anne (54m 17s):
He basically looks the same. He is just like, a little bit like wider.
Ashley (54m 22s):
Yeah.
Movies That Made Us Gay (54m 23s):
It feel like his
Anne (54m 23s):
Face is rounder.
Ashley (54m 25s):
Aren’t we all? And I have to point out something to you to see if you notice this. Okay. I don’t know if you guys know Confessions of a Dangerous Mind as one of our underrated favorites, George Clooney’s directorial debut. The, there it, so when the, the gross guy from the gym sells the tape and she sees it on tv, she does this look, that’s exactly the look she does in Confessions. When she catches Chuck cheating, where she like does a sad little smile and looks down and looks away. I have to make a comparison. I
Anne (54m 57s):
Didn’t notice it. Yeah, you’re gonna have to make a comparison.
Ashley (54m 59s):
It’s crazy. It’s the same angle and everything on her. Anyway, I just had to point that out to Ann ’cause I was excited about it.
Anne (55m 7s):
Yeah, we love that shit. It’s
Movies That Made Us Gay (55m 9s):
A good, but it’s a good look because it’s that like, well, fuck me. I don’t know. You know what I mean? Yeah. You got me bitch.
Ashley (55m 15s):
Yeah. It’s not just like, oh, I’m sad. It’s like, oh God, are you kidding me? Yep.
Movies That Made Us Gay (55m 20s):
I know, but I know exactly the look that you’re talking about. ’cause I, I remember specifically going, all right, I like this choice. I like this choice of, of, of her reaction to just like, dammit. Like,
Ashley (55m 29s):
Yeah,
Movies That Made Us Gay (55m 31s):
Alright. It’s kind of too bad when I’m remembering Confessions of a Dangerous Mind that she didn’t get more critical attention for.
Ashley (55m 38s):
I know. I
Movies That Made Us Gay (55m 40s):
Remember watching an interview with Renee Zellweger, where she was on like a morning talk show or something, and she was just raving about Drew.
Ashley (55m 46s):
Really? Oh, that’s so cool.
Movies That Made Us Gay (55m 49s):
I love Confessions of A Dangerous Mind. Drew Barrymore. It’s one of my favorite performances of the year. But yeah,
Ashley (55m 56s):
I know she was that one’s, it’s one of my favorites. It’s just really, there’s a lot of range in it and yeah, I just, we, we love that movie
Anne (56m 4s):
And a lot of subtlety. Like, I feel like that the, like the way that she, the way that her character is, is very subtle. I don’t know. It’s, I don’t, it also is not very true in a lot of ways,
Ashley (56m 15s):
Which is always fun to see her just being different because
Anne (56m 19s):
I mean, we love her being her, obviously.
Ashley (56m 21s):
Like, I don’t want her to be like that person. Drew Barrymore, I don’t like now.
Movies That Made Us Gay (56m 27s):
Yeah. To me it was just like brown hair in, in riding with cars, with boys. I’m just like, what a change. Yeah.
Ashley (56m 35s):
That one is not a favorite of mine. I am on the record stating that.
Anne (56m 40s):
I feel like there was one podcast we did where you were like, it keeps coming up.
Ashley (56m 44s):
It really does. You were
Anne (56m 47s):
Like mad.
Movies That Made Us Gay (56m 48s):
The most interesting part of her doing the press tour for riding in Cars of Boys is, do you remember when she hosted SNL
Ashley (56m 55s):
Of for that course right after nine 11? It was right after
Movies That Made Us Gay (56m 58s):
Nine 11. And they were advised not to do the show, right? Yeah.
Ashley (57m 2s):
There was The Anthrax scare happen while they were doing rehearsals.
Movies That Made Us Gay (57m 6s):
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and, and if they wouldn’t have done that show, we wouldn’t have like the Wesley Arms hot tub scare. Yes. Be missing out. We
Ashley (57m 16s):
Were just talking about that one.
Movies That Made Us Gay (57m 19s):
Oh my goodness. Wow. Yeah. Iconic.
Ashley (57m 22s):
I love that you guys know that. Oh my God. Yep.
Movies That Made Us Gay (57m 26s):
We’re big SNL fans. I I’m an apologist for this show. I don’t buy into this like, well, I stopped watching on Yeah. This Grow Up. It’s,
Ashley (57m 36s):
That is such a thing. It hasn’t been good since blah, blah, blah. Yeah.
Anne (57m 40s):
It’s like, no, it’s there, there are phases, you know? Yeah. Of when it’s better and when it’s not. It’s like, but no, it’s not black and white. It’s not the old stuff.
Ashley (57m 48s):
There’s no cutoff line.
Anne (57m 50s):
I mean, when I was growing up though, we had a tape of like, I don’t know what anniversary it would’ve been, but we had a VHS tape recorded, I think it was like the 25th Saturday Night Live anniversary or something. And so I watched and re-watched a bunch of stuff from the seventies when I was a kid. I was not getting these jokes.
Movies That Made Us Gay (58m 7s):
Yeah.
Ashley (58m 8s):
I used to watch them too as a kid. They would show it before the new ssn l so they would show like a seventies episode. I don’t know where my parents ever were. I was just like, I’m gonna watch this adult. I was watching Tracy Oman show by myself at like six years old. Like, I don’t know what was happening.
Movies That Made Us Gay (58m 27s):
Old l after the new episode. They would, they would usually do an old one. Okay.
Ashley (58m 31s):
That’s a really late,
Movies That Made Us Gay (58m 32s):
Do you remember who from SNL did the Amy fixture? I, I was kind of wondering if they had anybody else besides her do it. I’m sure that back in like the early nineties, they had somebody beat Amy in a sketch. But it was a, I think that it was around when she got out of prison in 99 and it Sherry o Terry.
Ashley (58m 51s):
Ooh, that’s a choice.
Movies That Made Us Gay (58m 54s):
Amy Fisher with, with Colin Quinn.
Ashley (58m 56s):
How was her? Amy Fisher pretty good.
Movies That Made Us Gay (58m 58s):
Not really. She doesn’t really do the accent. Do that accent. Yeah. It’s a, it’s just like, oh, you’re, you’re outta jail now and what are you, you know what’s going on? And does a couple of things where she’s stable, but then she kinda like goes off and loses it. The
11 (59m 12s):
Long Island Lolita herself. Amy Fisher.
13 (59m 20s):
Thank you Colin. Wow. It is so great to be out. I mean, you don’t know how good it feels to finally put on my old cutoffs and see through Halter Top and stroll around the neighborhood like a regular person. I mean,
Movies That Made Us Gay (59m 36s):
Yeah, but we didn’t, we didn’t really do a deep dive into that. That one just kind of popped up in our YouTube, so
Anne (59m 42s):
That’s funny.
Movies That Made Us Gay (59m 43s):
Yeah. I, I, I don’t remember because I was definitely watching SNL at the time too. Like I, I’ve kind of watched my whole life. Yeah,
Ashley (59m 50s):
Same.
Movies That Made Us Gay (59m 50s):
So yeah. So I, I have vague memories of their being sketches, but I, I just can’t, can’t place them right now.
Ashley (59m 57s):
Now somebody else will be yelling at their radio about how we don’t know stuff.
Anne (1h 0m 3s):
We can’t research every facet.
Ashley (1h 0m 6s):
I can know everything about Drew, but,
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 0m 10s):
But I mean, Drew and I know like that five timers club, you know?
Ashley (1h 0m 15s):
Yeah.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 0m 16s):
How many women are in the five timers club? Not that many. So
Ashley (1h 0m 21s):
I know it’s been so long too. She hasn’t been on a host since 2009, which is just, wow. What’s going on? She’s in New York all the time now. Yeah,
Anne (1h 0m 30s):
They should have her come on.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 0m 32s):
Do you think that she’ll ever get back into making movies?
Ashley (1h 0m 36s):
Oh, that, oh, that reminds me. I have something to tell you guys. Okay, so just this week Ross Matthews was asking her, you know, what would it take to get you back? And she said that she really is talking to Adam Sandler about projects that they’ve been joking with Jennifer Aniston to do a threes company. But Drew said what she wants to do is death becomes her.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 1m 0s):
Oh my goodness. I mean this, this, this death becomes her remake that’s been going around the internet for the past like five years.
Ashley (1h 1m 7s):
But I’m, I’m here for it.
Anne (1h 1m 10s):
But I could, I could see it with Jennifer Aniston Drew and Adam, Adam Sandler Sandler, Adam Sandler. Like it kind of works.
Ashley (1h 1m 19s):
Is it, is this like sacrilegious?
Anne (1h 1m 23s):
No, but I love Death becomes her Me Too. Deeply. Deeply. Yeah. So I’m like, no, don’t do it. But I’m also like,
Ashley (1h 1m 30s):
Ooh, but
Anne (1h 1m 31s):
Hold on. But who’s gonna be the, is it Isabella Rosa? Mm.
Ashley (1h 1m 35s):
Right.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 1m 36s):
We, we need, yeah, so I mean, the big one that goes around on Twitter every couple of years is this image. And it’s been going around for years now. And every time it goes around, everybody jumps in the comments and they’re just like, why remake this? This is terrible. And the image is, it’s usually Anne Hathaway, Kate Hudson, Kate Hudson, and Lady Gaga. And Lady Gaga.
Ashley (1h 2m 0s):
I’m not seeing Anne Hathaway. I don’t get that one. I
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 2m 3s):
Can’t remember who’s the, who’s the, who’s the Bruce? Well, yeah, I can’t remember who’s, who’s Bruce in that one. But yeah, I guess Anne Hathaway would have to be Meryl Stre.
Ashley (1h 2m 14s):
I guess so. Because you gotta have Kate be Goldie, right? Yeah.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 2m 17s):
Kate Goldie. And then I’ve also been seeing this rumor, it’s even trickled up to people like Jessica Chastain saying that I saw something online that people think that we should do a Death Becomes Her remake. What do you think of that Anne Hathaway? So it’s even like the rumor has like where these huge a-list stars are starting to comment on it.
Anne (1h 2m 41s):
Interesting. I’m
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 2m 42s):
Drew and Jen Anniston are in. I’m in. Yeah. Yeah. Get outta here.
Ashley (1h 2m 47s):
Okay. Which part do we want Drew to play?
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 2m 50s):
That’s the question. I think that sh I think they would,
Anne (1h 2m 55s):
I kind of think she has to be the Goldie, but I Yeah,
Ashley (1h 2m 58s):
Yeah. That’s where I go.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 3m 0s):
I, yeah, I think so too. I think they would both be good in either, but I kinda like Jen Aniston as
Ashley (1h 3m 8s):
Madeline.
14 (1h 3m 10s):
I think that,
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 3m 10s):
I think that Jen and Aniston kind of has a more Meryl Streep. I think she as Madeline, I, I would like to see her do Madeline Ashton. Yeah. I, and I think Drew could definitely do Helen. And it’s like, it doesn’t have to be one for one. We don’t, don’t have to do food and we don’t, you know, it doesn’t have to be this like one for one remake. I, I think they could just do something new with these characters, but I don’t know. I like it.
Ashley (1h 3m 36s):
All right. You heard it here first.
14 (1h 3m 39s):
I’m mixed about it.
Ashley (1h 3m 42s):
We’ll all watch it. If it happens though. We’ll say that.
Anne (1h 3m 45s):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, when that came up I was like, Ooh. Like interesting
14 (1h 3m 53s):
Murder mystery.
Ashley (1h 3m 55s):
I haven’t watched that.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 3m 57s):
You watched Murder Mystery? I watched the first one. I didn’t watch the second one, but I thought it was, it was fun.
Ashley (1h 4m 1s):
Okay. Yeah. That’s how I feel like I’ll feel about it when I finally get around to it. Like, oh, it’s fun.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 4m 7s):
You know, Scott And I always say like, what’s your favorite like Adam Sandler movie And it’s like, obviously it’s the, the Drew collaborations. Yeah. Yeah. And I just, I think it’s gotta be Wedding Singer.
Ashley (1h 4m 18s):
Yeah.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 4m 19s):
Because yeah, just because the Hawaii one 51st States States is a little cuckoo.
Ashley (1h 4m 27s):
There are definitely some things in 51st states that I’m gonna be like when we cover that. Like that didn’t age well. Well I feel
Anne (1h 4m 33s):
Like the Wedding Singer is like a good film anyway. And I think 51st dates, like the story’s kind of weak, you know, like, but Drew is very cute in it. And I swear I’m not the shallow swear. She’s so pretty in, it’s so pretty as the Murdering Psycho, not murdering Attempted Murderer 51st States. I love it because it was like, I was, I’m such a fan and I have been a big fan
Ashley (1h 5m 5s):
At that time. Yeah, yeah.
Anne (1h 5m 6s):
I was a big fan through that. So it’s like,
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 5m 9s):
And they just, they work so well together in it. Like it’s just, it’s them. That’s why we love it, you know? Yeah. But it’s like, yes,
Anne (1h 5m 16s):
His,
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 5m 17s):
His character is wild.
Ashley (1h 5m 20s):
Yeah. He’s doing some stuff that you’re like,
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 5m 24s):
What the hell? Yeah.
Ashley (1h 5m 27s):
I definitely think Robbie Hart in the Wedding Singer is a much like more sympathetic character. The wedding singer is what got me in love with Drew. So that’s like always gonna be a special place in my heart. ’cause I was just like, I, that’s it. I love her. I watched her promoting it on Letterman and Rosie and then I went and saw the movie and that was it. That was it.
Anne (1h 5m 49s):
The rest is history.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 5m 51s):
I’m holding out for her to come back to movies.
Ashley (1h 5m 53s):
I hope so. People ask all the time. It definitely sounds like Adam is gonna be the key to getting her back. They
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 5m 60s):
Have a pretty big break with the talk show of that. They have a good, yeah,
Ashley (1h 6m 5s):
It was few months or
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 6m 6s):
So,
Ashley (1h 6m 6s):
Whether or not quite a few months last time. Well, part of that was the strike. We won’t talk about that. But yeah, I think it’s more, she said she just doesn’t wanna be another person. She wants to be her kid’s mom. Like it’s definitely has to do with her kids. But as they’re getting older, I think it’s more and more likely. Yeah. Let’s hope Fingers.
Anne (1h 6m 25s):
I’m excited to see it. I feel like she can’t stay away from it forever. No. You know, like
Ashley (1h 6m 30s):
She’s a very more, give
Anne (1h 6m 33s):
Her a drink and make
Ashley (1h 6m 35s):
Devil. That’s an SNL quote too.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 6m 39s):
Side tangent about the Barry Moores of that ever. We’re in Calvary Cemetery in East la. We go to visit my grandma. We go to visit Pete’s grandma. And if you go in the old mausoleum, ’cause all of the old cemeteries here have an old mausoleum and you can usually walk into ’em if it’s not like Michael Jackson and Glendale or Yeah. You can usually walk into them and you can kind of look at everybody that’s there. And is it Lionel?
Ashley (1h 7m 5s):
Oh
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 7m 6s):
You can visit my grandma. We’re walking around the, the mausoleum because it’s so beautiful and we’re like, I bet you there’s some famous people here. So we find, and I always hop on Google to see what famous people are buried where. So
Anne (1h 7m 16s):
I love it. That’s something to do.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 7m 17s):
We find a couple of Barrymores. I think Ethel is there and I think Lionel is there. And they’re in the mausoleum. So they’re in the wall and, and Lionel is kind of closer to the ground. And as you go up and you look at it, last time we were there, there was big red lipstick, a big red kiss on it. And we were like, it’s true. Do you think it’s true? It’s true.
Ashley (1h 7m 38s):
It totally could be. She kisses her own freaking star on Hollywood Boulevard and that’s pretty nasty. So. Absolutely.
Anne (1h 7m 46s):
Aw. I’m surprised. I’ve never looked it up. I’ve never thought
Ashley (1h 7m 49s):
I know that. I think maybe John’s in Philadelphia. I think that’s where their family is from. So somebody’s over there. So yeah. The other two may be, oh, that’s so cool you guys. Now we gotta go check it out sometime. Yeah.
Anne (1h 8m 1s):
Yeah. Who else would kiss it,
Ashley (1h 8m 3s):
Right? Yeah, that’s exactly gonna, who else could it be?
Anne (1h 8m 7s):
I mean, she feels like she has a connection to this family.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 8m 9s):
She never, and also like Valentino, it’s like a Barrymore. So yeah.
Ashley (1h 8m 13s):
Yeah. Mr. Potter. I don’t think, think like he’s a big heartthrob.
15 (1h 8m 19s):
Well, what’s your point, Mr. Potter? My point, my point is I want to hire you. Hire me. Yeah. I want you to manage my affairs. Run my properties. George, I’ll start you out at $20,000 a year. Yeah.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 8m 34s):
That’s such a Drew move. Like you said, kissing the star and all that. It was very her and it was like, I don’t know how fresh the lipstick was, but it, you know, it was there. You could see it, you know. So
Ashley (1h 8m 45s):
Put some flower beauty on. It’s from like 20 years ago. It’s just like, they don’t, they don’t clean it. You guys, thank you for telling us that. I love when we have a guest that gives us new info. It doesn’t happen that often. So I’m like, yeah,
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 9m 1s):
Just doing the cemetery tour around LA is just so fascinating. Like Hollywood Forever, Calvary Glendale. Yeah. You can see the, the world’s largest painting in Glendale. Oh, of course. Of all, of all like, like tourist traps. Yep.
Ashley (1h 9m 16s):
I’ve only been to the one, is it in Westwood where Marilyn Monroe is? I’ve been to that one. And that’s it.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 9m 21s):
I think so I think
Ashley (1h 9m 23s):
That’s something we should do next time. Ann, we like going to locations. We’ve done a lot of like filming locations. It’s like a whole section on our website. We’re into all that stuff. Yeah. So I was like, oh cool. You live close to where like the doppelganger apartment is. That’s awesome. I’ve never even thought of where that would be.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 9m 41s):
I’ve always wanted to track down that, the mansion from Poison Ivy. ’cause we know, oh,
Ashley (1h 9m 45s):
We’ve been to that. We’ve been, we’ve been, it’s, we probably have the address on our website. We do. Yeah. It looks actually, we’ll I’ll send you guys some pictures. It looks pretty much exactly the same. It’s pretty exciting. It’s really cool.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 9m 58s):
Listen, it’s kind of not too far from where we are too. We’re kind of in the middle of Silver Lake. Let’s feel us in Hollywood. So we’re, yeah, so we’re kind of centralized and I mean, movie locations, we were, you know, like we said, we lived in Pasadena and South Pasadena. We would have, we would take friends to, you know, go see the, like Halloween. I can give the full Halloween walking tour. Yeah.
Ashley (1h 10m 19s):
Nice. So fun. I love that. That is awesome. You guys probably have visited my friend Lindsay’s website. I am not a stalker.com. Yes, she has. Yeah. That’s Lindsay’s Lindsay Blake, she’s our buddy. She’s helped us with a lot of locations. Yeah, she’s like the master a
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 10m 34s):
Lot when you look up. Yeah, she, yeah, I, I, I just found, stumbled upon her website. Just looking up. Yeah,
Ashley (1h 10m 40s):
Me actually, she’s another one that I found and I was like, I love everything you do now you’re gonna be my friend. And I made her be my friend. Just like you guys.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 10m 51s):
I’m
Ashley (1h 10m 51s):
Not Aer very sure. Yeah, Ashley is an active stalker, but she makes herself known, so it’s okay. I’m friendly about it. Yeah. A very friendly stalker. She does exactly how to find the people she loves and wants to make her own. Thank you. Alright, do we have anything else we wanna say about The? Amy Fisher Story?
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 11m 14s):
I do.
Ashley (1h 11m 14s):
Okay. Let’s hear it.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 11m 16s):
I’ve always kind of wondered of looking at somebody like Ryan Murphy. Do you think they would ever dig up The Amy Fisher Story and do a new miniseries? I don’t know if it would be like American crime story, Amy Fisher. If it would just
Ashley (1h 11m 32s):
Be, yeah.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 11m 33s):
Do you think these events are worth taking another look at now if you were to do a new miniseries or something?
Ashley (1h 11m 41s):
I could totally see that and I could definitely see it like, even more so with the angle that this one sort of took with the journalist. Like really looking at it again from the, a new lens of like, this was an underage girl and this is how she was treated. Like, it could be really interesting.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 11m 57s):
You could get all of the sides, you could get Mary Jo’s side, you could get stuff with Joey. I, I just, all of these guys that she tried to buy these guns off of that got drug right. Got dragged into this. I think it would be interesting. And also Mary Jo and Joey’s kids are Yeah. Like all our ages. Oh
Ashley (1h 12m 15s):
Yeah.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 12m 16s):
They’re closer to my age and they’re grown now. So it’s like, you know, they would’ve been children at the time, but still kind of aware of everything that was going on, especially with movies and things. What a trip. So they, they would be an interesting kind of angle to get to, to talk about. So yeah, I think that there’s definitely, there’s a, people of a certain age may be unaware of this, I think. Yeah.
Ashley (1h 12m 40s):
Or my husband who’s not even of a certain age. He’s, he’s not way younger,
Anne (1h 12m 44s):
I promise. I like how in the movie they had someone like outside the courtroom that’s like, who’s
Ashley (1h 12m 49s):
Amy? Yeah,
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 12m 52s):
That’s right. No,
Anne (1h 12m 56s):
Doesn’t ring a bell.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 12m 58s):
Those huge tabloid stories at the time that just got kind of lost with a generation and a half that nobody really anymore.
Ashley (1h 13m 6s):
No, I really like in my memory, so I was 10 and I just roll this in with Tanya Harding and Yep. Lorena Bobbit. Like this is, it all was like the same time. It’s like tabloid tv craziness. And then OJ happened and it was
Anne (1h 13m 24s):
OI was just gonna say for me, I feel like I remember OJ more than any of the other ones. Yeah. I’m like slightly younger. So I guess it like makes sense just a couple of years later, I don’t know.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 13m 33s):
And I, I think I was at the stage, I, I watched a lot of tv, same
Ashley (1h 13m 39s):
Too much
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 13m 39s):
TV and I was watching SNL and Late Night and all that stuff. So I feel like, you know,
Anne (1h 13m 46s):
The commentary
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 13m 48s):
Yeah. You know, the hosts, late Night hosts at that time, I don’t think there were, there was a lot of scrutiny of the jokes that they were making or just kind of nobody in the writer’s room just being like, you know, I know this is kind of a crazy story, but maybe we shouldn’t be making jokes about this girl that’s 17. Yeah. Yeah.
Ashley (1h 14m 8s):
That was not a thing at all. They didn’t care.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 14m 11s):
And I think, you know, I think Letterman of course, has kind of been somewhat put through the ringer for kind of the way he treats women and, you know, some of his interviews and things like that. I feel like Jay Leno’s come out of all this kind of smelling like a rose and he wasn’t exactly, you know, a Boy Scout.
Ashley (1h 14m 27s):
Yeah. Wasn’t that, wasn’t that in Pamela Anderson’s documentary? I think there’s a thing with Leno where she really had to like kinda set him in his place.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 14m 36s):
Yeah, absolutely. Documentary was so good.
Ashley (1h 14m 39s):
It was really good.
Anne (1h 14m 41s):
I didn’t see it.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 14m 42s):
Oh, it’s great. But yeah, I do, I think it would be very interesting to see, or even if it was just like, I don’t know, just like a Hulu kind of like the Lorena Bobbit thing or that that was Amazon Prime. Yeah. I think that was Prime. But yeah, any kind of a documentary that has news people now reflecting on it. Yeah. Yeah. Which is always kind of, I
Ashley (1h 15m 4s):
Like it, you know what, this is what happens though. We’re gonna talk about it and then all of a sudden next week we’re gonna find out something’s in the works and we’ll be like, see.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 15m 14s):
Yeah. Yeah. That’s, that’s the biz.
Ashley (1h 15m 18s):
I am really glad that you guys like provoked us to rewatch this though. It had been a long time for me, but I still remembered so much of it. I was like, I guess I watched this more than I thought I did.
Anne (1h 15m 28s):
And on the flip side, I felt like I hadn’t even seen it. Yeah. Maybe once. Like I was like, amazing. I don’t remember this at all. Like her getting the car, like, I’m like, I don’t remember this scene at all. And her name is spelled a, I I know E because that all
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 15m 43s):
A pin striping on the car with her name. Oh my gosh.
Ashley (1h 15m 48s):
So nineties. But it was so fun to just like, again, see Drew be in this era of her career, which is always fascinating. And then be so not herself and not resting on being likable, which is something that she has been accused of and is even said that she does. And Amy is not that here. I did have a one quote from ID magazine. I thought this was cool. They said A Drew is, Amy is magnificently real, trapped, hurt, lonely, and morally vacant. I’m like, yeah, I see that
Anne (1h 16m 21s):
Accurate.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 16m 21s):
Yeah. That’s the thing. I feel like it was such a departure for her. And it’s like, I think, you know, for I, for a kind of a general audience, maybe somebody who’s doesn’t do the, the deep dives that the four of us do, I think, you know, you kind of have this idea of this character that she plays and you know, this just bubbly flower girl kind of a thing. And maybe it wasn’t until something like Great Gardens when people were just like, wow, maybe she really can do, do a little bit more. But for this being so early in her career, it was like, yeah, I don’t remember it being this much of a departure. Wow. I was just like, wow, she’s really, she’s really creating this character.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 17m 2s):
And I mean, for, for better or for worse, you know, what’s going on with the, the accent work. But you know, because we did watch so much of like news, they really did talk about it. Yeah. Like everybody,
Ashley (1h 17m 17s):
They all sound like caricatures.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 17m 20s):
The kids like the grown, they all have, this is a thick accent. And I don’t know if it’s the same town Massapequa, where Amy, where The, Amy, Fisher Story kind of took place. But I know Rosie O’Donnell and she always talks about how she grew up in the same neighborhood as the Baldwins Alec and Oh wow. His brother and I don’t, and maybe Massapequa it maybe the same neighborhood in Long Island. Yeah.
Anne (1h 17m 46s):
Oh, interesting.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 17m 47s):
Yeah. But it might be a, a neighboring one right around there. There’s like Comac and, and and Massapequa and then there’s, I mean, Montauk is further out, but yeah, I know that, that Rosie and the Baldwins weren’t pretty much neighbors and I think it was in the general vicinity and Rosie obviously has a different accent. Yeah. But there, you know, yeah. But yeah, all that stuff is just like, for her being 17, like, wow. Like that’s, that’s amazing. Like Jesus and, and to knock out these three in a row, she did what was the one right before this?
Ashley (1h 18m 22s):
So she did Poison, Ivy gun, crazy doppelganger this and then Bad Girls. So that was her little streak of bad, bad girls. Bad
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 18m 31s):
Girl. Oh man. Bad girls in years.
Anne (1h 18m 36s):
Yeah.
Ashley (1h 18m 37s):
Another one that’s not that great. But it’ll be fun to revisit.
Anne (1h 18m 41s):
Yeah, totally. And like you said,
Ashley (1h 18m 43s):
Actually you guys wanna come back for bad girls, just let us know.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 18m 47s):
And eyebrows in the wild, wild West.
Anne (1h 18m 49s):
Oh
Ashley (1h 18m 49s):
Yeah. Perfectly curled beautiful hair. But I am so thrilled that you guys came on. I appreciate you letting me stalk you and befriend you. And coming on the show is a true, like really exciting honor for me personally, so thank you so much.
Anne (1h 19m 8s):
Yes, thank you.
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 19m 9s):
Thank you for having us. And thank you for, for just like gassing us up on your show. Yeah. Like all of the shout outs we’ll have you on. We’ll have you on ours next year when we start recording new episodes. Absolutely.
Anne (1h 19m 19s):
Awesome.
Ashley (1h 19m 20s):
You heard of Hair first?
Anne (1h 19m 22s):
I’m excited. Thank you. Coming with all of the, the facts about Amy and stuff that like Yeah. And you guys like, I don’t know, you added this richness, this like lovely whipped cream on top of our just Drew,
Ashley (1h 19m 39s):
The whi cream and the cherry from you guys and where just the little chocolate Drew cake or the lasagna she threw away. Oh, I was so upset about that.
16 (1h 19m 49s):
Hi. I made dinner.
17 (1h 19m 52s):
Yes. I see.
16 (1h 19m 53s):
I know it looks big, but the rests for 10. Oh,
17 (1h 19m 56s):
It smells delicious, honey. How much cheese did you use?
16 (1h 20m 1s):
I don’t know, A couple of pounds or something.
17 (1h 20m 3s):
Oh, you know, sweetheart, we have to be careful when we’re cooking for your dad because it’s cholesterol who said he had to eat any,
Anne (1h 20m 9s):
I would’ve ate the shit out of that lasagna.
Ashley (1h 20m 12s):
I was like
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 20m 16s):
Worths. I know how lasagnas and expensive. How
Anne (1h 20m 20s):
Much cheese did you put in there?
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 20m 26s):
This was a pleasure. You guys are great. Thank you so much. Thank you for Thank you.
Ashley (1h 20m 29s):
Thank you.
Anne (1h 20m 31s):
All right everybody.
Ashley (1h 20m 33s):
You guys know what to do and you know where to find us. And if you don’t go listen to the last episode, we’ll tell you at the end of that one.
Anne (1h 20m 39s):
Yes. And where should people find you guys
Movies That Made Us Gay (1h 20m 42s):
We’re movies that made us gay. We are on, I mean we’re on everything. We’re on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, which I guess is now X blue sky. We’re all there movies that made us gay. Yeah. And we’re on pretty much every podcast listening Yeah. Platform. You can download an episode, you can download us. Yeah. If you, if you have an it’s pre-installed, otherwise Spotify. So yeah, go look
Ashley (1h 21m 5s):
For us. Or you can download 300 episodes like I practically did. Yeah. Okay. I know you don’t have that many more like probably 45.
Anne (1h 21m 13s):
Okay. You
Ashley (1h 21m 14s):
Guys were my top podcast on my Spotify wrapped. I found out yesterday. So,
Anne (1h 21m 19s):
All right everybody, check out movies that made us gay. Thank you so much for staying till the end and we’ll see you next Tuesday.
Ashley (1h 21m 26s):
Thanks guys. Bye-Bye.
Anne (1h 21m 29s):
Bye. Bye.
18 (1h 21m 32s):
You said we’d always be together. I never said that. You know, and if you need some time because it’s Christmas and stuff, I understand, just don’t say it, so don’t say it’s over. Don’t ever say it’s over.
Anne (1h 21m 60s):
This episode of the How Do You Drew podcast was researched and produced by Ashley and Anne from thedrewseum.com with help from our sponsor. Positive medium.
Ashley (1h 22m 9s):
Special thanks to Matt Costa for our lovely theme song, Roxy Prima, for our adorable logo. And last but not least, Drew, Barrymore and all the Drewbise who love her, we do this for you.
Anne (1h 22m 20s):
Thank you.
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Anne (24s):
Okay. Woo
Ashley (25s):
Woo. Hello and welcome to How Do You Drew.
Anne (29s):
This is A Drew Barrymore Podcast, brought to you by the Drewseum dot com
Ashley (34s):
And sponsored by our friends at Positive Media.
Anne (37s):
I’m Anne.
Ashley (38s):
And I’m Ashley.
Anne (40s):
And hello. Hello
Ashley (42s):
Friends.
Anne (42s):
Welcome to the just Post Thanksgiving episode.
Ashley (47s):
Welcome to the Just Post You Hanging Out with Drew episode. If you guys didn’t hear that, that’s not an exaggeration. Anne and Drew hanging out, episode 61. Go check it out.
Anne (57s):
Hung out for a split second. It was pretty exciting guys.
Ashley (59s):
It was more than a split second, let’s be honest.
Anne (1m 1s):
Pretty exciting guys.
Ashley (1m 3s):
And you know what that reminds me? When Mila, my daughter, sent in the drawing for Drew in the first season of the show and Drew was reading it, my little letter that I sent with it, she goes, Ashley, don’t be a stranger. We’ve hung out many times. Like, oh
Anne (1m 19s):
Yeah,
Ashley (1m 19s):
I get, yeah. Something like that. Yeah.
Anne (1m 21s):
Many times in our dreams. Also. Also,
Ashley (1m 25s):
Also, yeah, I’m happy to not be a stranger. Drew just in come send me an invite. Here I come.
Anne (1m 32s):
We’ll be right there. Anytime. Anytime with bells on. Yep. Okay. So right at the top, we’ve got one of our favorite segments. So can you tell me about what Drew proclaimed her love for this past week? I love, love.
Ashley (1m 45s):
Let’s do it. Okay. So Drew loves to drive fast. We knew that.
Anne (1m 50s):
Yeah. He
Ashley (1m 51s):
Loves a gravy boat.
Anne (1m 54s):
I do too. It’s such a like specific little thing. It only comes out a couple times a year. Right?
Ashley (1m 60s):
She loves mustard. Same,
Anne (2m 2s):
Same, same, same
Ashley (2m 4s):
Horse radish. Not same.
Anne (2m 6s):
I think I need to experiment more with horse radish.
Ashley (2m 9s):
And then, did you know that Drew loves celery?
Anne (2m 12s):
I, I don’t think I realized just how much she loved it.
Ashley (2m 16s):
Let’s take a listen.
Anne (2m 18s):
Let’s hear this. Drew loves celery
3 (2m 21s):
Love, love celery. Clearly
Ashley (2m 25s):
That was one of her most passionate proclamations ever. I think.
Anne (2m 31s):
Oh my
Ashley (2m 32s):
Goodness. I also threw in a bonus hates because we love when Drew’s mad about something. She says, no thank you on garden knobs. Nothing pisses her off more than a garden gnome.
Anne (2m 44s):
What did she explain? No,
Ashley (2m 46s):
No explanation. I love that. Nothing pisses me off more than a garden gnome. Nothing.
Anne (2m 55s):
Nothing pisses me off. Alright, so how about our
Ashley (2m 59s):
Drewism of the week?
4 (3m 0s):
Oh, someone’s picking up, you know, those cool little isms that we do?
Ashley (3m 6s):
I’ll set it up context wise. So Drew had these two lovely security women from, what is it called? The Met Arena. Anyway, wherever she saw the Taylor Swift concerts, like a New Jersey or New York. And she made friends with these two women who were working security there. And Drew kind of told the story of how they became friends. Okay, let’s hear it.
5 (3m 26s):
When you came in, you just, the whole world just lit up When I saw you Truly.
4 (3m 31s):
That’s exactly how I felt about you guys. Like I really did. I just, I felt like we avatar tailed and we sort of plugged in and had this great connection. Yes.
Ashley (3m 45s):
I love it. So cute. I love when the Drewism includes a sound effect. Yes. As they often do. It’s, it’s whatever way she’s expressing something. Using like words or adjacent to words. Yeah. Sort of words. Yeah. Alright. Should we talk about some of the mail we got this week?
4 (4m 8s):
You’ve got mail.
Ashley (4m 10s):
I actually pulled two because I was just feeling it. Yeah. We have Catherine on Facebook after our episode last week about You’re going to the show. She had a really nice response. I’m gonna read it to you. Okay. She said yes and a bunch of hard eye emojis. How exciting. So happy Drew knows about the pod now. Hopefully a guest appearance crossed fingers. Yes. We are on the same page as you, Catherine. Yes. All of the fingers crossed all of the toes crossed. Yep. Putting it out there. Putting it out there. I mean, you know, we’ll keep you all in the loop if you’re regular followers. You know that we don’t hide much.
Ashley (4m 52s):
Okay. So what else did you pull? We also got a really lovely comment on our 1995 year in review episode page. That’s our episode 14. So Yolanda left us a wonderful comment there. Okay. I’m gonna go ahead and read it and we’re just gonna go for it unedited. ’cause this whole thing is just sweet. Hi Anne and Ashley, this is Yolanda again. Slowly making my way with catching up on the podcast. I hope it’s not too obnoxious to leave comments on old podcasts, by the way. It is not. Not. And we love it. Do it more everybody. Anybody. Always. Yes. But I had to on this one because, hello. 1995 Drew. Yep. I think this is my favorite era of Drew because it always brings back a magical time period in my life personally as well.
Ashley (5m 38s):
Being a teen in the nineties was truly so fun and magical. And Drew just represents that so well in 95, 96. I totally feel that. Yeah. Oh my God, I have such intense mid nineties nostalgia. So she says, going to grunge alternative concerts and just the free-spirited grounded raw energy of the time.
Anne (5m 57s):
I remember soaking up that Rolling Stone magazine. Drew seemed to be everywhere more than ever at the time. Totally. We’ve talked about that being like one of the Renaissances.
Ashley (6m 7s):
Yep.
Anne (6m 8s):
And I’ll let you take it from here. Okay.
Ashley (6m 10s):
And I totally relate to this, so it’s a great place for me to jump in. You Yolanda continued. All I watched was MTV back then. Shocker. He, he and looked at Rolling Stone and all the teen fashion magazines at that time. Sounds like my life. And she seemed to be everywhere and I just soaked it up. I remember also being jealous in a good way of Drew at that time because my friends and I were so into the Riot Girl grunge scene and Drew a smack dab in it all. Yeah. I also remember all the cool nineties dresses, ex girl shirts and chokers I used to have that I got rid of, which I regret so much now I could go on and on about this year. But just the feelings of being a wild and free teen back then just will always bring back such an indescribable feeling.
Ashley (6m 53s):
And this era will always be part of my memories of being a teen back then. I remember Drew really showing up more than she ever had before. I agree that this was a turning point in her career. Also, definitely enjoyed reliving these cherished memories through your podcast. Thank you.
Anne (7m 8s):
And thank you Yolanda. Like we live for somebody. Being able to like tap into an emotional, you know, memory thing for themself as well as being able to be like, yeah, Drew. Like this is, yeah, this is what we do this for. So
Ashley (7m 22s):
I think that that’s definitely like one of our themes of this podcast is nostalgia. We can’t really help it. Ah. And nineties, if you were a teen back then, you guys know, you understand Yolanda’s totally describing exactly what a lot of us feel. Yes.
Anne (7m 38s):
So good. Totally. Like even though we weren’t in it in 95,
Ashley (7m 43s):
Not in the Drew world, but I was way in the MPV Rolling Stone magazines. That was like all my life. Yeah. That’s all I did back then.
Anne (7m 53s):
My nostalgia is sort of like wishing that I had found it earlier,
Ashley (7m 57s):
You know? I love that.
Anne (7m 58s):
But we’ve got nostalgia up the wazoo, just like many other
Ashley (8m 1s):
Things.
Anne (8m 2s):
Okay. So what was Drew doing this week in history?
Ashley (8m 6s):
Okay. I was excited when I found this because she actually just talked about this recently. Oh cool. So we’re gonna set it up and then we’ll play the clip. So November 29th, 2002, Drew attended a Rolling Stones concert at the Hard Rock Hotel here in Las Vegas. By the way, that does not exist anymore. Oh
Anne (8m 27s):
Yeah, of
Ashley (8m 28s):
Course. It’s now the Virgin Hotel. But she attended it with Cameron and Lucy. Of course. This was like, I think they were in the middle of filming full throttle. So they totally have that look. They’re all wearing News Boy caps, which is hilarious. Couldn’t be more 2002.
Anne (8m 44s):
I didn’t even realize it. Drew’s got the big star on her cheek. Yes.
Ashley (8m 48s):
Which we’ve talked about. And
Anne (8m 50s):
It’s like big, it’s like when she really went diving in on drawing on the face.
Ashley (8m 53s):
Yes. She’s wearing a tie. Like this is total the early 2000 style. Yep. I did notice in a couple pictures in the background, you can barely see him, but Drew’s old, old, old friend, Brent Bolthouse was also there, which is fun. Oh cool. But anyway, so she had Hillary Duff on the Drew Barrymore show recently and they were discussing early two thousands styles. The funny thing is, this was the only one they showed of Drew that actually was from the early two thousands. The rest were from the nineties. Oh my God. Of course. You know me. I’m like, that’s from 1993. What are we talking about here? Oh my God. But this one was great. And Drew talks about that night Scar
4 (9m 29s):
On your face. I was going to the Rolling Stones concert in Vegas with Cameron and Lucy. Aw, fun. Yes. And I got way too drunk and was in the hallway late that night going, I’m an independent woman. And they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Get in the room.
Ashley (9m 54s):
Anyway, I thought that was really fun that she was so candid about that night. Yes. And you know, I’m, I’m happy to hear stories about when she did drink though. We know that she’s made a conscious decision not to. Yeah. But good that she can have a sense of humor about those times. Absolutely. I’m an independent woman I know, which I love little Charlie’s Angels in joke there. Yes. Okay, so before we get into our fun topic for the week, what’s new with Drew? Okay. Not too much, but we do know that she went to Nashville and it was to interview Dolly Parton, which is pretty cool. That’s cool. And I was kind of giggling to myself.
Ashley (10m 34s):
Hopefully we’ll get some sort of stories about this. But we know that she went to Dollywood with Nancy Jaan right before she was gonna start filming Home Fries in 96. So what if she shared some of those photos? Photos we’ve seen some. Remember she’s the black hair and she’s like on rides and stuff. I guess we’ll have to share one in this episode, but I hope that she shares more. That would be so cool. I hope that she talks about that. Me. That would be really cool. Me too. So anyway. Oh, and this is just a fun thing if people don’t know this, I think we’ve mentioned it before, but when she was in Dollywood, she got a necklace made that said Sally is like kind of part of her prep for home fries. Oh, so cute. I love that so much. So while she was in Nashville, she did her thing, and we’re gonna talk about this later too, where she was out in public and handed out Drew magazines at a coffee shop.
Ashley (11m 21s):
There is a video on Drew’s Instagram of her doing this, which is so cute. We’ll share the link in case you guys missed it. Yep. And then an Instagram user at Staria Clark, she posted a really cool picture of her and Drew with a really sweet caption kind of explaining what happened. Yeah. So I’ll go ahead and read the caption. I was sitting in the Thompson Nashville, which is a hotel having a morning coffee business meeting. And this woman comes up to me, hands me a magazine and goes, here’s a magazine just in case you need something to read. It took me a minute to register that It was actually Drew
Anne (11m 53s):
Barrymore. She hopped around the lobby and the coffee shop passing out copies of her magazine and taking pictures with people. What a beautiful person with bright, strong, loving energy. Such a cool celebrity sighting.
Ashley (12m 5s):
Love that.
Anne (12m 7s):
We love this. Yeah. And then as you’ll hear when you get into the main part of our episode, we talk a little bit about how Drew has continued to pass out copies of her publications as she had since the beginning of Flower Press.
Ashley (12m 20s):
I love the consistency.
Anne (12m 22s):
Yes. Okay, so now you read the title of the episode, you know that we have our friend Tony Craigo back on the episode. And you may have seen, for those of you who submitted questions on our Instagram, make sure you listen for your question here. ’cause I believe we used almost all of them. So
Ashley (12m 42s):
Yeah, we had some great ones. Yeah.
Anne (12m 44s):
So we had a great time talking to Tony. So here’s our conversation. Okay. Tony, welcome back to the height of your Drew pod. Tony.
Tony (13m 6s):
Thank you. It’s so good to be back admission ladies.
Ashley (13m 10s):
Yeah. You know what, you’re our first repeat guest ever.
Tony (13m 14s):
Ooh. Really? Isn’t
Ashley (13m 15s):
That cool? Yeah.
Anne (13m 17s):
And you said at the end of the first one, like, I’ll come back. So we’re like, we’re gonna take you up on that.
Ashley (13m 23s):
It took us a minute, but
Tony (13m 25s):
I had such a good time. And now look at you guys. You guys are, how many episodes in, you’re like, oh
Ashley (13m 29s):
This is, oh my gosh. 62. Yeah. That’s wild. You were on our episode 13 originally. So yeah, lots of time has gone by. We’ve done a lot.
Tony (13m 39s):
That’s cool. Woo, congrats. Congrats.
Anne (13m 43s):
Thank you. And thank you for all your support.
Ashley (13m 46s):
We actually gave you a thank you shout out in our last episode. So you’ll have to go listen to why.
Tony (13m 51s):
Oh, okay. Go.
Ashley (13m 53s):
Yeah, it was for, well it was for connecting us with Drew’s current assistant and helping Anne make that a fun adventure in New York. So that’s all kind of things to you.
Tony (14m 4s):
Yeah. Christina’s the best.
Ashley (14m 6s):
Yeah, we really appreciate it.
Anne (14m 7s):
We’re just learning how awesome she can be. Like we’re finally, we’re finally in.
Tony (14m 15s):
I know. She’s great. She is like, she takes on a lot. She’s always like, come back, come back. Help me. Aw. Like, oh, if only you we’re in New York.
Ashley (14m 24s):
I wish. Yeah. Well that’s actually, this was my question. Do you wish that the show and like Barrymore brands and all that were based in LA
Tony (14m 34s):
Oh yeah. A thousand persons. I, I don’t know why. I mean I know why she moved, but like it’s just like New York. No, but I mean they’re all thriving so I’m happy for them, but no, yeah, yeah. Was still all LA based. ’cause we’d all still be one big happy family. However, Christina May not be there. So everything happens for a reason.
Ashley (14m 53s):
That’s true. Yeah, it’s true.
Anne (14m 55s):
It had to happen so she could get that opportunity to be in the world to, to be brought into the fold, which of which we will all be brought into eventually. Hopefully.
Tony (15m 7s):
Yes. Selfishly. Selfishly I wish everyone was in la. Yeah.
Ashley (15m 12s):
Yeah. Makes sense.
Anne (15m 13s):
Yeah. I re-listened to our original interview with you and you said, yeah, Drew said she’d be pulled out of her house with a body bag. Oh.
Tony (15m 22s):
Say that’s not,
Anne (15m 24s):
I guess she’s dead now. I guess. That’s
Tony (15m 27s):
Exactly,
Anne (15m 27s):
I guess that’s what we have to come to terms of this
Ashley (15m 29s):
Is her ghost that we’re watching. Yeah.
Anne (15m 31s):
But also that makes sense now it makes sense for us to be the historians because it’s the past. Okay.
Tony (15m 36s):
Well I guess maybe that era of Drew is dead. Yeah,
Ashley (15m 41s):
Yeah. Oh, sad.
Tony (15m 44s):
Onto, onto the new newer one onto
Anne (15m 46s):
The professional talk show business lady who we still get the little bits of the Wild Gal and
Ashley (15m 53s):
Yeah, every once in a while.
Anne (15m 57s):
Okay. So we asked our listeners and followers on Instagram to send in some questions for you Tony. So we’re gonna go through, through ’em. I’m
Tony (16m 4s):
Scared.
Anne (16m 6s):
I
Ashley (16m 6s):
Don’t think there’s anything you should be scared of, but you’re gonna enjoy some of these. They’re, they’re pretty fun. Yeah. I really, thanks to everybody who submitted a question, we got a great response and that was very fun to see.
Tony (16m 16s):
Yes. Yeah. Very cool. I’m
Anne (16m 18s):
Excited. Okay. Are you ready? Yeah. So first question, what was the most fun part about being Drew’s assistant?
Tony (16m 27s):
Gosh, I mean, I had such a great time working with Drew. Like every day was different. That’s what I loved about it. ’cause it didn’t, it didn’t feel like for me, I, I had all types of jobs. I’ve worked in offices. Yeah. And it, to me it was just like every day was different. Like you never, you never knew showing up what to expect. Like one day we’re in LA just shopping around the next day we’re in Paris. I don’t know, it’s just different every day, which I love. So that and the experience that I got with her and the opportunities, like those are the best things that I’ll, I’ll always take with me.
Tony (17m 7s):
So I’m super grateful for those. Yeah,
Ashley (17m 10s):
That’s so cool. Kind of on the same track, two different people asked if you had a favorite memory with Drew
Tony (17m 18s):
Favorite. So I would have to say when she shot the movie Blended, ’cause we got to go to South Africa and that was the first time I was able to go to South Africa. And never in my wildest dreams would I have thought I’d be in South Africa. So I would have to say that one because it just, it was such a great opportunity and I met some amazing people, had some great experiences. Yeah, I think that was, yeah, that was the first movie that I had done with her professionally. So yeah, that was, that’s my thing. So yeah. And then I got to go to South Africa again on my own for like a month. So I, you know, being able to meet the people through her and experience what I did brought me back there.
Ashley (18m 3s):
That’s so
Anne (18m 3s):
Cool. Really cool. I like this question though. It’s vague. It says craziest moment with Drew and I actually was wonder, I mean that could, that could be interpreted whatever way you want.
Tony (18m 15s):
Yeah.
Anne (18m 16s):
What is the craziest moment?
Tony (18m 18s):
Moment? My gosh, there’s probably a lot.
Ashley (18m 23s):
I was thinking that too. How could you choose?
Tony (18m 26s):
I know, gosh, I have to really go back in my archives in my brain. No. Yeah. I don’t know. Let’s go back to that one.
Ashley (18m 34s):
Yeah, I love this one. This was one of my favorite questions. I hope you have an answer for this one. What’s the best gift that Drew ever gave to you? Oh,
Tony (18m 44s):
Oh, oh, oh. The best gift by far is she sent me and my husband to Greece.
Ashley (18m 53s):
Oh wow. Yeah, it
Tony (18m 55s):
Was pretty special. She just said one day she’s like, I wanna send you and Michael on a trip anywhere you want to go. And I was like, what? No, what are you talking about? You’re crazy. So then I came back and I’m like, well how about Greece? And she’s like, whatever you want. So yeah. So went to Santorini Konos and like yeah it was, it was pretty special.
Ashley (19m 18s):
That’s amazing.
Anne (19m 20s):
I love that.
Ashley (19m 21s):
That’s really cool. Great answer. Sweet. Yeah,
Anne (19m 24s):
It’s a good one.
Tony (19m 26s):
I know she’s, she’s got such a big heart. Always, always giving the best gift. Well then,
Anne (19m 31s):
Yeah, she like with that show she like redid Deborah’s whole house, right?
Ashley (19m 36s):
Oh yeah, that’s right. That was so awesome that just to watch that Anne. I know,
Anne (19m 41s):
I
Ashley (19m 41s):
Do.
Anne (19m 43s):
Okay. So I feel like this is on a similar track to the craziest thing, but this is a fun one. What’s one of the most surreal things you ever had to find for Drew?
Tony (19m 52s):
I mean there’s probably so many, again, so many things. But
Anne (19m 57s):
Again you’re trying to be like how can I,
Ashley (19m 59s):
Yeah, your eyes are twinkling. Like you have something funny to share.
Tony (20m 4s):
Oh gosh. Well we always had to have the iced tea.
Ashley (20m 7s):
Of course. Go back to that. We have questions about the iced tea. Believe or no matter
Tony (20m 11s):
Matter where we were, we had to find the iced tea. So that was probably the top of the list. Not that that’s out of the norm, but when you’re in South Africa and they don’t have to Java.
Ashley (20m 23s):
Right.
Tony (20m 24s):
You gotta find ways to get to Java.
Anne (20m 27s):
It always comes back to the tea.
Ashley (20m 29s):
Always. Yeah, always. We have a question about that. Approximately how many gallons of ice tea did she have a day do you think?
Tony (20m 39s):
Because
Anne (20m 39s):
This comes from my lovely partner Jared. Oh
Ashley (20m 42s):
That’s right. This is the one from him.
Anne (20m 43s):
He, he wanted me to say Jared from Moorpark asks approximately how many gallons have iced seeded Drew
Tony (20m 50s):
For dinner? Jared from Moore Park, she probably drank like at least one gallon for sure. It’s a lot. Yeah, for
Anne (20m 58s):
Sure. And is it those like glass bottles of tea Java that she would use
Tony (21m 3s):
Be like the regular, the small size or the big size. Okay. Whatever we had on hand.
Ashley (21m 8s):
Whatever Sandy,
Tony (21m 9s):
She would definitely. So those small bottles come in like a four pack? Yeah. Like if you get the big case, they come in like a four pack. She would definitely pretty much go through that entire, I mean we’d had stacks and stacks. She would at least go through
Anne (21m 22s):
Eight one pack.
Tony (21m 24s):
Yeah. Like crazy. Like just in the morning. She’s probably going through like three when she wakes up.
Anne (21m 31s):
Yeah. It’s so great. I mean when I was talking to her after the show, Anita pointed out, ’cause I was with our Drewbie friend Anita and she like pointed out that Drew like had her iced tea and she was like drinking it and chewing on her straw when she was talking to me. I was like, I didn’t even notice. It just felt so like normal. Normal just feels normal.
Ashley (21m 49s):
If
Anne (21m 49s):
She doesn’t have that in hand, like that would be weird. Yeah. Yeah.
Tony (21m 54s):
This is not iced tea.
Anne (21m 55s):
No, but is it one of the beautiful hydration cups though?
Tony (21m 59s):
No it’s not because Christina’s like, I’ll send you one. I’m like, where is it Christina? I haven’t
Ashley (22m 3s):
It reminder to Christina. And
Anne (22m 7s):
Yeah
Tony (22m 7s):
This is a lot stronger than iced tea but no, yeah, she drank a lot of it.
Anne (22m 14s):
That’s great.
Tony (22m 15s):
I always had to like, I’d had to like brew it and make my own to Java if I couldn’t find it.
Ashley (22m 21s):
Wow. Dedicated.
Tony (22m 22s):
We learn like what tasted the closest to it. Yeah. And have those like handy in case we couldn’t find the Well
Anne (22m 31s):
You said the PG tips last time.
Tony (22m 33s):
PG tips. Yeah. That’s
Ashley (22m 34s):
The Oh that’s right. We
Tony (22m 35s):
Would travel with those. You have a good memory. Yeah,
Anne (22m 37s):
I also just re-listened to the episode because I needed to be
Tony (22m 39s):
Fresh. Yeah, we talked about that. But yes, those I would travel with in my suitcase and you know,
Anne (22m 46s):
Just in case
Tony (22m 47s):
They didn’t have it over there. Or if we could find like a Starbucks or something that would have the closest.
Anne (22m 55s):
That’s amazing. I just love everything. I feel like I could just have a whole interview about her iced tea.
Ashley (22m 59s):
I know. Well it’s funny, people obviously were taken by it ’cause they submitted questions regarding it.
Tony (23m 5s):
That’s amazing.
Ashley (23m 6s):
Okay, someone else asked, what did you like most about her and what did you find most challenging about her?
Tony (23m 13s):
She is like, well the most giving and the most kind and the greatest soul. Like she just has the biggest heart. She always looked out for you. Just, she made you feel like, I mean we became a family. She made you, she just was always so welcoming and just, she brought you into everything and just was all inclusive. And I just love being in her presence. Like she’s just such a big presence and there’s just so much to like learn from her. Yeah. I mean she’s great in every area. The most challenging is probably that she has her hands in everything.
Tony (23m 54s):
So it’s like, I wanna do this, I wanna do this, I wanna do this. Yeah. It’s like constantly going. So keeping up with that is challenging because it’s like she’s tells you one thing and then she’s onto the next and like you just have to like figure it out and get it done and go with it and
Ashley (24m 13s):
Yeah. That that tracks.
Tony (24m 15s):
Yeah. Like she just, I remember like her magazine, Drew Mag, like it was just a paper and she’s just always had it in her and we’re always like, why does she wanna do this magazine? Why? Like no one’s going to get it. And like she would take it everywhere. We’d do these like out of her own pocket money, she would create these newspapers and we would like take them out everywhere. I remember we were at like a concert and we were like in the audience and she’s just like handing ’em out to people. I’m like, she’s still doing that to this day. And it’s so funny because I was with my friend Angela and we went to go see The XX with her in New York and we were handing out these magazines, all of us together.
Tony (24m 58s):
And we started off at like a, at a hotel. Like we were in the hotel, like bar like eating. And then all of a sudden we started handing out her magazines, newspapers. And then we go to this concert and we’re handing out these papers and then today to see her handing out these magazines again. I always send this clip to my friend. I’m like, look, she’s still doing it. It’s just so funny. She’s
Ashley (25m 21s):
Consistent. That’s for sure.
Tony (25m 23s):
She has it in her mind. She’s gonna get it done. Which I love. That’s so inspiring.
Ashley (25m 26s):
Yeah, it’s inspiring.
Anne (25m 27s):
It’s awesome. And actually we were talking about like the flower press newspaper version and how like we were like how did you get it? Because we, I think we have at least one of each of the issues.
Ashley (25m 39s):
Yeah, well they used to send them with Flower beauty purchases for a short little while. So that was another way they, but otherwise it was like you got lucky if you saw her at a concert and she handed that to you. Exactly.
Tony (25m 49s):
Star her in thet stands. Yeah.
Anne (25m 51s):
Hands on the ground like yeah, I love it. But it’s also like there are people who post about like their encounters with her at a random coffee shop. Yeah. Sparks. Because you know, it like gets her like actual physical being to promote this, this thing. But it’s like it’s Drew like
Ashley (26m 9s):
Pretty genius. Too bad we can’t go hand the podcast out somewhere.
Anne (26m 14s):
We could
Tony (26m 15s):
Little like Yeah, exactly.
Anne (26m 17s):
Or like thumb drives.
Tony (26m 19s):
Yeah.
Ashley (26m 20s):
You just plug this in your computer, it’s totally safe.
Anne (26m 24s):
No viruses, I promise. Yes. We’re Barrymore fans. Why would we ever do anything cruel? Okay. You have
Tony (26m 30s):
All the old newspaper flower presses or no,
Ashley (26m 33s):
We, yeah, so we, Chris sent us a huge box of one of the, I think the second issue,
Anne (26m 39s):
But it’s an, it’s an oddly like rare thing because there was a finite number printed. They weren’t like distributed like a normal newspaper. So part as far as our collection goes, it’s like a pride spot that we have some because they’re like Right, you know, we just happened to get them however we got them.
Tony (26m 58s):
Now do you guys obviously do but is her magazine subscription based or do you just buy it before
Anne (27m 3s):
It’s now?
Ashley (27m 4s):
Yeah, we finally both were like after like every, every time like, ah they don’t have it here, they don’t have it here. We finally both were like, let’s just subscribe it now we get it in the mailbox bef like way before it even is promoted like way early. So it’s definitely the way to do it. Yeah.
Anne (27m 19s):
Yeah.
Tony (27m 20s):
That’s so awesome. And I’ve never really even looked through it. What is going on in the magazine? Si Similar to Flower press?
Ashley (27m 28s):
No, there’s always a lot of cooking stuff. Like a lot. I’m always like, there’s too many recipes. Like, ’cause I’m just not a cooking person.
Anne (27m 37s):
There’s,
Tony (27m 38s):
She was never, I mean she always liked cooking but she’s way more into cooking now than she ever
Anne (27m 42s):
Oh yeah.
Ashley (27m 43s):
Yeah. Oh yeah.
Tony (27m 44s):
Remember in the beginning she did not know how to cook but she was trying to learn ’cause she was gonna have Olive, so. Right. It’s cool to see her, how big into cooking she is now.
Anne (27m 54s):
Oh yeah. And I feel like what she talked about like making soups when she was pregnant. Yeah, right. Wasn’t that a thing?
Ashley (28m 1s):
Just trying to learn something.
Anne (28m 3s):
Yep.
Ashley (28m 4s):
But there’s a lot of design stuff in the magazines always. Like beauty product stuff. Those are kind of the most consistent. I feel like she
Anne (28m 12s):
Features like smaller makers sometimes. Like we do like features on like
Ashley (28m 18s):
Yeah. Small businesses and
Anne (28m 19s):
Stuff. Yeah. That’s always really cool.
Ashley (28m 22s):
Cool. Yeah, I like that.
Anne (28m 23s):
It’s, it’s really great. It’s a really well designed magazine. It was funny ’cause last time we’re like, wow, this is like mostly recipes and it was like, it’s the holiday issues. So of course it’s, it’s got like tons of holiday recipes. Yeah, it has like a gift guide. I don’t know. It’s it’s a great magazine. It feels like it’s got her all over it and it does. Yeah. It, it does. She’s, she’s featured in many of the sections like with her own sort of personal spin. It’s, it’s cool. Like it feels, it feels like her. You can feel her in it. Okay, next question. Which I really love. What is the biggest thing you learned from Drew as a friend and or colleague?
Tony (28m 59s):
That is a good question.
Anne (29m 1s):
It’s also a big one ’cause it feels like, yeah.
Ashley (29m 3s):
Lost. How could you choose one thing?
Tony (29m 6s):
Let’s come back to that. Okay.
Ashley (29m 9s):
Yeah. Those were all the ones that are like, what are the most or the best. ’cause we put ’em all together. ’cause those are hard to answer. Yeah. They’re, rest of these might be easier. This question is, how much were you around when they were doing the pilot of the Drew Barrymore show? Were you there for any of that?
Tony (29m 36s):
Yeah, I was there for the majority of it. Yeah. I remember like from the like sales tape, the reel that you put together from that point on. And then her, you know, submitting that to CBS or whoever it was. And then once it got the like green light to do the pilot, I was there for the pilot. And then I think I was even like in a couple clips on the pilot. I don’t, which we’ll probably never see.
Ashley (30m 6s):
Oh,
Tony (30m 7s):
I don’t even know if the pilot was aired or if it was just something that we kind of used as the sales take.
Ashley (30m 12s):
I think they’ve shown a little bit of Cameron Diaz doing like the news thing with Drew. Yeah,
Tony (30m 17s):
Yeah, yeah,
Ashley (30m 17s):
Yeah, yeah. I’ve seen that. But I think that’s about it.
Tony (30m 20s):
Yeah. So it was to film segments for that and then we had to fly to Miami to some conference event to where she kind of like had to show it off to people and stuff, so Oh wow.
Anne (30m 35s):
There
Tony (30m 35s):
And then, yeah, until she got the actual green light. And then that’s when I, I left to come back to LA ’cause I couldn’t, I didn’t wanna move to New York full time, so. Yeah.
Ashley (30m 44s):
You’re like darn it, the show got picked up.
Tony (30m 47s):
I know. No, I was so excited. I just wished it would’ve been in LA Yeah,
Ashley (30m 53s):
We do too.
Anne (30m 55s):
I know,
Tony (30m 56s):
I know. ’cause you guys would be able to go like once a month. Yeah.
Anne (30m 60s):
I mean we could be cool if we could go all the time. That would
Tony (31m 2s):
Be easy. Yeah, I’d have your own like s seats
Ashley (31m 5s):
Are good segment. Oh, have our own segment. Okay. Seats. Seats are good too.
Anne (31m 10s):
Segment actually.
Tony (31m 12s):
Segment. Segment. Yeah.
Ashley (31m 14s):
I’m manifesting guys.
Tony (31m 17s):
No, I was just like, yeah, so I was there pretty much for the start of it.
Ashley (31m 21s):
Was it exciting? Like it’s such a different project.
Tony (31m 25s):
It was so exciting. Everybody was, yeah. Everybody was so excited because it was something different and something like, we’re like, yes, this is so perfectly you. Oh. Like, yeah, it, it was a, it was a cool moment. So I’m glad I, I’m so happy to see it succeeding. Yeah.
Anne (31m 42s):
I like how she talks about though like first season she’s like, I was just like goofing around with myself ’cause I didn’t have like, you know, audience. Audience. Yes. And like she’s like, I was a little kooky at first. Like we’ve loved every version of the show and who she like, you know, is out there with it. It’s so great. This question, you know, I feel like it might have an obvious answer but maybe not. Maybe it’ll surprise us. If you got a chance to be in Drew’s audience, are you going to take it?
Tony (32m 9s):
Yeah, for sure. I You
Ashley (32m 11s):
Already did. I saw you there.
Tony (32m 13s):
I know when like I was just in New York, not so long ago, but I think, oh well it was during the strike so it still wasn’t happening. But like yeah, Christine was like, oh I wish we were filming. You could come to the show. And I’m like, I know. I really want to go see. Oh I do want see it in New York. ’cause Me too, like it’s there. It’s where it started and I want to see it. So hopefully I’ll be able to make it out there when it’s shooting.
Ashley (32m 37s):
Yeah. Tell Charlize to go do something in New York.
Tony (32m 40s):
I know. I’m waiting for her to like promote something so we can go on the show.
Ashley (32m 45s):
Oh yeah. Than that. The whole moment. Oh, that’d so cool. That’d be a perfect
Anne (32m 50s):
Excuse. Then you and Christina can be like, you know, bumping fist backstage and
Tony (32m 54s):
Yeah, it’ll happen. It’ll happen.
Ashley (32m 56s):
Love that.
Tony (32m 57s):
We have a movie next, hopefully next year coming out. So hopefully when promotion
Ashley (33m 1s):
Happens. Yay. Fingers crossed. Okay, so this is interesting. This is my own question ’cause I thought of it this morning when I was getting ready. I don’t think we talked about this last time, but you were kind of around in the beginning stages of Flower Beauty, right?
Tony (33m 15s):
Yeah, yeah. Early. Early. Yeah. Beginning stages of that too.
Ashley (33m 18s):
What did you have to do for that? Like do you remember anything specifically?
Tony (33m 22s):
I just remember going to, and I don’t remember where the, where they make the makeup. Like we would go and see like it actually being made and her like working with the
Anne (33m 34s):
The formulas.
Tony (33m 35s):
Formulas, yeah. To create these things. So that was cool.
Ashley (33m 39s):
Wow.
Tony (33m 40s):
But yeah, that, that’s all I really remember of it. And then
Ashley (33m 43s):
You were doing so much at at once. It’s probably so hard.
Tony (33m 47s):
Got so much out. But there’s just, yeah, I remember Flower Beauty, the beginning stages for sure. They’re cool and everybody has like a makeup line and you know, who I saw had and I was like, she’s following in Drew’s footsteps is Selena Gomez has the makeup line and now she’s doing like pots and pans and I’m like, what? Good for you. But okay, Drew,
Anne (34m 9s):
I got this formula.
Ashley (34m 11s):
Here’s the like path you take. She’s gonna have a action before we know it. It
Tony (34m 14s):
For you. Yeah, exactly. Like Selena Gomez and pots and pans. All right. It doesn’t really.
Anne (34m 22s):
Okay, so this next one kind of goes on a totally different topic, but it’s totally in your perspective. And
Ashley (34m 27s):
Two different people asked about this.
Anne (34m 29s):
I’ll just ask kind of both ’cause it’s the same question but different versions. Do you think Drew will ever do a dramatic project like Gray Gardens again? And then another person asks, do you think Drew will return to acting and will we get to see her in more serious or dramatic roles based on what you saw her interest in that?
Tony (34m 45s):
Yeah, I mean she’s, she’s said she’s done, but they all say that and they all come back from
Ashley (34m 51s):
Me.
Tony (34m 52s):
And I feel like there’s certain things like an Adam Sandler would pull her back. Yeah. I think there’s, there’ll be special things that she’ll do it. I feel like now she can be more selective. Yeah. So she doesn’t have to go back if she doesn’t want to. I mean we all want her to. ’cause that’s like where it all began, began
Anne (35m 14s):
Where we all fall in love with her. Yeah,
Ashley (35m 15s):
Yeah. Yeah.
Tony (35m 16s):
So I hope she does and she still needs to win that Oscar so she does need Yeah. Part, right? That’s
Ashley (35m 23s):
Right. But
Tony (35m 23s):
I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know if she has the, with the show, like if she would have the capacity.
Ashley (35m 31s):
Capacity, the bandwidth. Yep.
Tony (35m 33s):
Do all that. I mean like a fun light thing, like an Adam Sandler or Santa Cla. Yeah. I really hope they do like a Santa Clarita diet movie. I know. Like give the fans what they want. We need a movie.
Ashley (35m 44s):
I love that show. Did you work on that show at all or was that kind of when you were not Yeah,
Tony (35m 49s):
I did. Well I did two seasons of it. Oh shoot, I didn’t
Ashley (35m 52s):
Realize that, that,
Tony (35m 53s):
Yeah because I had, I had left, I was gone for the first season and then I came back
Ashley (35m 58s):
Second and third. Oh, that must have been so fun.
Tony (36m 0s):
It was so fun. I loved that show. It’s so,
Anne (36m 2s):
So good
Tony (36m 3s):
Man. I know. I need to go back and watch that.
Ashley (36m 6s):
Yeah, yeah. I’m ready to, we’re definitely gonna do like, we’ll probably have to do each season as its own episode on the podcast. But I’m excited to rewatch it ’cause it’s been, since it aired, I haven’t watched
Anne (36m 16s):
It yet. Yeah. I don’t think I have either.
Ashley (36m 17s):
All right. This is an interesting question. Is Drew aware of the fan sites that she has around the world?
Tony (36m 24s):
No, I think just Joyce,
Anne (36m 26s):
That’s it. That’s the correct answer. I really do.
Ashley (36m 28s):
Perfect answer. Yeah.
Anne (36m 31s):
Except you’re
Ashley (36m 32s):
One we do love Drew Barrymore Brazil as well. Okay, thanks.
Tony (36m 37s):
Her Brazilian fans are great. Definitely. I mean I am sure she’s clued into some of it, but they don’t really, I’m sure see a lot of it
Ashley (36m 47s):
Also, I don’t feel like her ego would let her like dwell on it very much. Like she’s not gonna be like focused on people love me everywhere.
Tony (36m 56s):
Yeah, right.
Anne (36m 57s):
But how could you be aware if you’ve just been in, literally in like the public eye for your whole life, how could you have any idea? I don’t know like the, the amount of content that’s out here, the
Ashley (37m 10s):
Perspective has gotta be really hard.
Anne (37m 11s):
It would be really hard to understand if you’re just in it. If you’re you, she’s Drew, how do, how you know, why would she think that anyone would care?
Ashley (37m 19s):
Well that’s perfect for the next question.
Anne (37m 21s):
Oh yes, it’s the next question is does she know she’s Drew Barrymore? She seems so humble.
Tony (37m 28s):
No, she literally would like go anywhere and like takes the train by herself. Yeah. She just, she, I mean she just tries to maintain a normal life as much as possible. But she would, yeah, she’s just always like out doing her own thing. She’ll go to you know, workout classes, she’ll go to the store like whatever she does good. But yeah, she doesn’t, I don’t think really realize it until people come up to her or there’s a, you know, paparazzi or something. But yeah.
Ashley (38m 2s):
Yeah, it is funny. Like it does seem like she’s always like so genuinely surprised that people are interested in her. But I think you probably, that’s probably healthy to like keep that kind of like, she probably has to to feel normal. Yeah.
Anne (38m 16s):
And we’ve joked about her disguises, which I feel like she’s gotta have like something where she just like looks like a normal person and she’s not gonna stand out. Like
Tony (38m 26s):
Never, she always just wears like her chunky hat and like her heavy coats and like people recognize her from like, like you wouldn’t even think that they would and they’re like they know. Or if she opens her mouth, that gives it away.
Ashley (38m 40s):
Yeah, I was gonna say hear her voice.
Anne (38m 44s):
I love that. I love that she like lets herself just live her life. It seems really healthy.
Ashley (38m 51s):
Okay, we have some like more personal questions just aimed at you. So someone wanted to know if you have a favorite of Drew’s movies.
Tony (39m 1s):
I would have to say never been Kissed or blended. Both because I was a part of Yeah,
Ashley (39m 8s):
I know. I was like, ’cause you your first and your last, right? No, I guess your last was the Stand-in That’s not your favorite.
Tony (39m 16s):
That one was really quirky but it was, it was interesting. I didn’t hate it.
Ashley (39m 23s):
Ann still has to watch that.
Tony (39m 25s):
You’ve seen that? Come on.
Ashley (39m 27s):
I’m like, we have to discuss that.
Anne (39m 29s):
I don’t like Drew Barrymore. I love her. So I just try to give her the respect and the space that she needs. I’m just kidding.
Ashley (39m 36s):
I’m just
Anne (39m 36s):
Kidding. I will watch it eventually.
Ashley (39m 40s):
Never Been Kissed is a good one though. That’s one of our most popular episodes is the one that we did on Never Been Kissed. That one just means a lot to so many people. Yeah,
Anne (39m 47s):
It really does. This is just kind of a fun one personal question for you. How long should we wait until you visit Germany from our friend Vacca who lives in Germany?
Ashley (39m 58s):
He knows the twins.
Tony (40m 0s):
Yeah. I love the twins. I saw them in Italy. No, yeah, Italy last year and I’m, I need to go to Germany. I’ve never been so I’m hoping soon I would love to be out there.
Ashley (40m 12s):
Yay. Stay tuned. Va
Tony (40m 13s):
They can show me around.
Anne (40m 15s):
That’d be
Ashley (40m 16s):
Awesome. That’s awesome. They’re so sweet.
Tony (40m 18s):
I’ve never been dying to go.
Ashley (40m 21s):
This is from Drew, Barrymore, Brazil from Renata. She just wanted, she doesn’t have a question. She just wanted to say, you have always been so nice to all the Brazilian fans. Thank you. Tony.
Tony (40m 30s):
That’s a, another place I want to go to really badly is Brazil. So when I come out there, she’ll have to show it.
Ashley (40m 36s):
Yeah,
Tony (40m 37s):
Yeah. And you’re welcome. We love the Brazilian fans.
Ashley (40m 41s):
Aw
Anne (40m 41s):
Yeah, she’s a good one. Okay, and then the last one, you might be able to figure out who this is from. Favorite memory working with Mason.
Tony (40m 50s):
Is that from Mason? Yeah. He was the worst. No, just kidding. Everything. Mason was great. He, he was, he took me under his wing when I first started and he like, we became fast friends. Like he was, he was awesome and he was a great person to learn from. He was, yeah. He knew his shit and I like always looked up to him, so,
Ashley (41m 14s):
Aw.
Tony (41m 15s):
Sad to see when he left me.
Anne (41m 16s):
Did you guys have like specific ways that you broke up your tasks as the assistance?
Tony (41m 23s):
Yeah, he did more at that time. He did more of like the business side of stuff and I did more of the personal stuff. So that’s how we kept it separate.
Anne (41m 32s):
I think we kind of knew that. Yeah. But
Ashley (41m 34s):
Yeah, I ki I was like, I kind of would’ve guessed that. Yeah. Yeah.
Tony (41m 36s):
Sometimes it would cross over, but mostly that’s how we, yeah.
Ashley (41m 40s):
You guys seemed like a good work team. I
Tony (41m 42s):
Have so many great memories with Mason. Like being able to travel with him, we would always like, gosh, we would do so many fun things together. I remember we had to move Drew’s Drew had a house in Austin.
Ashley (41m 56s):
Oh really?
Tony (41m 57s):
Yeah, years ago. Like long, long ago. And so we moved the house, Mason and I got like a rental car, a rental truck and moved the entire house back to LA So we just sort of like had Oh my
Ashley (42m 7s):
God.
Tony (42m 9s):
Yeah, we had great memories together. Oh, I
Anne (42m 12s):
Miss it. Was it a house she had when she was filming Whippet or It was like from way before that?
Tony (42m 18s):
I think it was way before that.
Ashley (42m 20s):
Wow.
Anne (42m 20s):
Wow. Interesting. Look
Ashley (42m 21s):
You teaching us something new? I
Tony (42m 23s):
Had no idea. Never knew about the Austin House. No,
Anne (42m 26s):
I don’t think so. I don’t think we knew anything about that.
Tony (42m 29s):
Speaking of Mason, I think his birthday’s today or tomorrow.
Ashley (42m 32s):
Oh my God. Happy birthday Mason.
Tony (42m 34s):
I forgot. Say yeah. Happy birthday Mason.
Ashley (42m 36s):
It was very fun when he reached out with a question. I was like, oh my God, I love this. I’m saving it for last. That’s
Anne (42m 45s):
Really fun. That is really fun. Yeah, you and Mason really like helped carry her through like a really, really busy time in her career because she was just doing so much
Ashley (42m 57s):
Always though.
Anne (42m 58s):
Always. But I feel like then it was like the books were coming out. She was having kids. Yeah, she was still doing movies. Like the show started, you know, the Flo, the Flower Beauty brand. Like there was so, I mean she, yeah, she still is doing so much. And like you said, like yeah that her new staff is keeping it going, but it’s like, man,
Tony (43m 17s):
I know. Oh, Mason was the OG though. og.
Ashley (43m 20s):
Oh, OG
Anne (43m 21s):
Mason. Yeah. Birthday
Tony (43m 22s):
Boy Mason og.
Ashley (43m 24s):
I love that.
Tony (43m 27s):
Yeah. Compare
Anne (43m 30s):
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Anne (44m 53s):
Okay, coming back to craziest moment with Drew, what came to mind?
Tony (45m 1s):
Craziest moment. God, I, there’s so many, but one that really stands out. We were on our way rushing somewhere to get her to a meeting and I was driving her and she was changing in the car and she, we were stopped at a stop sign or a light or something and she was changing and she opened her, opened the passenger door and this motorcyclist came right by and almost got knocked out by her. Oh shit. And he like swerved and then like came back over and like totally started cussing us out. It was like, oh my god, I’m so sorry. Like crazy stuff like that that stands out the most.
Anne (45m 38s):
Did this motorcyclist know it was Drew Barrymore after the fact? Probably
Tony (45m 41s):
Not. Probably not.
Ashley (45m 42s):
Probably not. No. He’ll know now. He’ll hear this. Exactly.
Tony (45m 45s):
Apologies to him.
Anne (45m 47s):
Yes. And we’re not at all surprised to hear she’d be changing in the car.
Ashley (45m 50s):
No, we, we know that’s a common thing. She’s been caught doing it in parking lots by paparazzi.
Tony (45m 57s):
Always on the go
Ashley (45m 59s):
Stars are just like us. Right,
Tony (46m 1s):
Exactly. I mean there’s so many more crazy moments, but that one just for some reason stands out.
Ashley (46m 7s):
I love that one. I
Anne (46m 8s):
Mean you’re in the driver’s seat so it’s like, in a way you have this responsibility to make sure that your passengers are
Tony (46m 13s):
Like, yeah, it’s safe. I’m door closed. Whatcha doing? Why
Ashley (46m 17s):
You need to do the child walk. Are
Tony (46m 18s):
You opening the door? I know, I’m like gonna run in the back like what? What are doing? Oh my God.
Anne (46m 24s):
She’s like, I need my shoes. They’re in the backseat. Yep,
Ashley (46m 27s):
Exactly.
Anne (46m 27s):
I’m gonna step
Tony (46m 28s):
Out fully. You probably didn’t wanna climb over the seat, right? So she lemme just run out real quick and get them and run back up and then she almost knocked someone out in the process.
Anne (46m 38s):
Drew Barrymore. Just trying to get business done. Exactly.
Ashley (46m 42s):
And did you think of maybe what your biggest thing you learned from her at personally or as a colleague?
Tony (46m 48s):
Yeah, I mean, again, she’s always had her hands in so much and like whatever she touched, like turned to gold. Like she was so successful. It just sort of gave me a drive to like really like go after what I want and just to be confident and to like pursue my, my goals and dreams and you know, I think like she just watching her and being in her presence kind of like she gave that to me so I, that’s something I always cherish and bring with me.
Ashley (47m 21s):
Aw. I feel like even, you know, not working with her, obviously from a distance, I feel like I get that from her too. Like yeah, right. We can do this podcast, we can be successful. Like it’s our, we’re having so much fun, let’s go for it.
Tony (47m 34s):
Exactly.
Anne (47m 35s):
I feel like anytime she talks about like, if there’s something you love, like go for it. Like Yeah.
Tony (47m 40s):
Yeah, she’s, she’s so like that in person and working with her it’s, she’s very motivating. So.
Ashley (47m 46s):
Aw, that’s a great way to sum it all up.
Anne (47m 50s):
That’s awesome.
Ashley (47m 52s):
Yeah, we loved having you on this show Tony so cool that you came back.
Tony (47m 56s):
Oh, fun. I love being on this show. Yeah. Thank you guys.
Ashley (48m 0s):
If you think of like a topic that you ever wanna come back for, just you know, let us know if you’re like, wait, I really wanna discuss X, Y, ZI
Anne (48m 7s):
Think he wants to discuss blended.
Ashley (48m 9s):
Yeah. Oh yeah, obvi. There we go. Obviously when we do a blended episode, we’ll have you on. That would be perfect.
Anne (48m 15s):
We already know that Adam Sandler tried to teach you how to juggle.
Tony (48m 19s):
Oh that’s great. About that.
Anne (48m 21s):
Good
Tony (48m 22s):
Memory. Yeah. So
Anne (48m 23s):
We’ve got one little blended set tidbit.
Ashley (48m 25s):
Oh, that’s so fun.
Anne (48m 27s):
I’m sure you’ll have more so when we do blended we can have you,
Tony (48m 30s):
Okay, I’m gonna have to start thinking about that stuff.
Ashley (48m 32s):
You’ll have to go re-watch the movie and like take notes like we do.
Tony (48m 36s):
Did you guys like that movie?
Ashley (48m 38s):
Yeah, I only saw it once.
Tony (48m 40s):
It didn’t get a lot of love when it first came out, but I see it on like TV all the time now. It’s out on
Ashley (48m 45s):
Stuff. Oh, that’s cool. I, I need to revisit it.
Anne (48m 48s):
Turn, I’m like, oh well and Jolena and I went to the premiere of it. That’s right. And we got to talk to Drew afterwards and she’d just given birth to find.
Ashley (48m 58s):
Yeah.
Anne (48m 59s):
Like she was like two weeks out from giving birth or something. She crazy.
Ashley (49m 3s):
Do you have a cameo in that one?
Tony (49m 5s):
No, I know I
Ashley (49m 6s):
Didn’t. I didn’t think so. But yeah, you have other ones.
Tony (49m 12s):
Exactly.
Anne (49m 13s):
Yeah. We’ve got all your cameos on lock I think.
Ashley (49m 15s):
Yeah, we have a little gallery in the last episode. Go look at episode 13 gallery to see Tony in the background of some stuff.
Tony (49m 24s):
Too funny.
Ashley (49m 27s):
Well thank you again for your time and your beautiful presence and all the giggles. Yeah. It’s just so fun hanging out with you virtually.
Tony (49m 36s):
Always fun to do this. So thank you for inviting me the happy holidays everyone. Thank
Ashley (49m 43s):
You. Thank
Anne (49m 44s):
You again Tony.
Tony (49m 45s):
Welcome. We
Anne (49m 46s):
Appreciate you.
Tony (49m 47s):
Alright,
Ashley (50m 2s):
Thank you so much Tony. That was so much fun. If you guys enjoyed that conversation, make sure you go back and listen to our episode 13 when he first came on. He shared some great stories that time too. We love you Tony. Thanks for We love you Tony friend of the pod. Yeah,
Anne (50m 18s):
So great. Yeah, we can’t wait to have you back.
Ashley (50m 24s):
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Ashley (51m 32s):
Seeing Mila, my daughter, do the Nutcracker. Aw, yeah, I’m very, she was Clara, which is the lead last year, which was incredible. This year she will have a little bit more challenging dances, so that’ll be great. Plus I just love it. It’s like one of the Christmas traditions I really like is the Nutcracker.
Anne (51m 49s):
Oh, I love that. What about you? Well, traveling, I’ll be in California for a huge chunk of December and then I’ll be visiting Las Vegas to see Ashley in the fa. So I’ve got a lot of stuff I’m looking forward to. I’ll be away from my cats, but they’ll have somebody lovely taking care of them. So not looking forward to that. But you know, let’s, let’s look at, let’s focus on the positive.
Ashley (52m 12s):
Speaking of Willow, just walked in the room. My cat, fluffy Willow. Hi Willow.
Anne (52m 16s):
Will willow my cat’s like fucked off a while ago. I don’t know where they are. Okay everybody, thanks for tuning in. We hope you enjoyed our part two with Tony Crago. Can’t wait to have him back, as we’ve already said. And we’ll see you next Tuesday.
Ashley (52m 31s):
Thanks. Bye
Anne (52m 32s):
Bye
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Bye.
Anne (52m 46s):
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Ashley (52m 55s):
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Anne (53m 5s):
Thank you. Thank you.
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Ashley (24s):
All right. Hello and welcome to How Do You Drew.
Anne (27s):
This is A Drew Barrymore Podcast, brought to you by thedrewseum.com
Ashley (31s):
And sponsored by our friends at Positive Medium.
Anne (34s):
I’m Anne.
Ashley (35s):
And I’m Ashley.
Anne (37s):
And we have a third person that’s name starts as an A as well visiting.
Ashley (43s):
I noticed that too. I’m like another A.
Anne (46s):
So welcome Anita, our dear friend from The Grapevine, which we’ve mentioned many times, the Drew Barrymore message board from back in the day. Hello. Hi. Hi.
Anita (56s):
This is so exciting.
Ashley (58s):
Yay. Thank you for joining us. Absolutely. I mean, we go way back probably 98, 99, I’m sure is when we first started connecting with each other, which is just crazy to think about.
Anita (1m 9s):
Yeah, it’s wild to think it’s been that long. Yeah.
Anne (1m 12s):
And, and Anita and I, which we’ll get into in a minute, got to spend some time together recently. And during that we were kind of like, it’s a trip how, you know, even if some of us aren’t necessarily actively collecting on Drew Barrymore anymore, we still have this connection that’s kept us connected. And it’s quite a nice size community. I mean, even if it is only like nice size to us, you know,
Ashley (1m 36s):
I think think’s still incredible that this many years have gone by and they’re still like, yeah, like you said, this little community that we formed so long ago. Yes. And it lives on, it’s just awesome. Yes.
Anne (1m 47s):
The first tribe we found. Yeah.
Anita (1m 50s):
Yeah.
Anne (1m 51s):
Ok. So let’s start a little bit with introduction to Anita, how you became a fan. What do you remember about the early days and what kind of attracted you to Miss Drew Barrymore?
Anita (2m 4s):
So, I mean, I guess I’ve been a fan since the E.T. Days.
Ashley (2m 8s):
That’s crazy. Oh my God.
Anita (2m 10s):
Yeah.
Ashley (2m 10s):
I knew you were like further back than us, but I didn’t realize it was that much further.
Anita (2m 14s):
Yeah. I, so I think I was around three years old when the movie was released and I went to the theater in my small town and saw the movie with my mom. I think I sat on her lap and when Drew first came on screen, she had her blonde pigtails tied with the like string or the yarn. Yes. And at, at the time, I was very blonde and I would also wear my hair in pigtails, or I guess I should say my mom would put my hair on pigtails. And I just thought that she like looked like me and I instantly like fell in love with her and thought of her as like a sister or a friend.
Anita (2m 59s):
And that’s, that’s how it all started.
Ashley (3m 2s):
I love that.
Anne (3m 4s):
I love it so much. Do you remember like at what point it became like an active fandom? Like do you remember like maybe what first cherished maybe thing that you collected or like thing that you might’ve seen that that sticks out in your mind?
Anita (3m 19s):
So for a long period, I wasn’t very like invested in Drew’s career. Or keeping up on, on things. And there was also a lull obviously where she wasn’t working as much or like the things were more independent movies.
Anne (3m 31s):
Totally.
Anita (3m 32s):
And I think it was around the time of Poison Ivy that I started to become like interested in her career again. Wow. But the, the first thing that I remember kind of collecting and really being invested in her and wanting to actively collect and pay attention to her career was around the time of Boys on the Side of Met Love.
Anne (3m 53s):
Okay.
Ashley (3m 54s):
The best time.
Anita (3m 55s):
Yeah. Right. Like the best time. I still have my Mad Love ticket stub from the movie theater and I have every stub from every Drew movie I’ve gone to see since then.
Ashley (4m 9s):
Yay. Me Too.
Anita (4m 10s):
And that’s kind of what started the collecting.
Anne (4m 12s):
I love it. And I love that kind of like sentimental ephemeral, you know? Oh yes. The movie tickets. Like now I feel like I haven’t had a physical movie ticket in a while. Oh,
Anita (4m 22s):
I know, right? I miss it so much.
Anne (4m 24s):
And when you get them, they’re like that paper that like you let it sit for a while and it starts to turn and it’s gray. Yes. And turns gray like receipt paper or it fades away. I’m like, no. Exactly. Let’s just use that same old stuff with the tearaway. Like what’s wrong with you? Anyway, I love that so much. Of course we’ve talked about this before, but, and I think you said it Ashley, like we’ve met you in like late nineties, early two thousands on this message board and we’ve been in touch since you are no longer actively collecting, but you’re still part of this community and you support our podcast, which we’re so grateful for,
Ashley (4m 58s):
You’re so supportive. Also, I just wanna say like how many times Anne and I have been like, oh, imagine if we to have been there in the 95 era like you were there. Like so we kind of bow down that you’re even more old school than we are. It’s awesome.
Anita (5m 11s):
I think though, is that like it, it doesn’t really matter what time period you enter into your Drew fandom. Yeah. I mean I think there was definitely like a heyday. But the cool thing about Drew is that she, who she is at her core has remained the same.
Ashley (5m 29s):
Aww.
Anita (5m 29s):
I think that’s kind of why you have such, like, you have so many fans that are new who maybe we don’t know as well is because like Drew kind of transcends all of her. Like even though she had periods where she was maybe releasing more movies or a lot of us were kind of into maybe like the more like hippie like grunge side of Drew. And she kept a little bit of that throughout her life and her career.
Anne (5m 58s):
Yep. And she just has this outward appearance that’s a little more professional. But I feel like deep down she’s the same gal.
Ashley (6m 4s):
I love that. So well said.
Anne (6m 6s):
That’s lovely. Okay, so we’re just gonna like jump into the pod now. We’ll be talking a lot more with Anita and feel free to chime in whenever you’d like.
Anita (6m 17s):
Okay.
Anne (6m 18s):
Okay. So the first segment that we’re gonna hop into this week is, I wanna know what did Drew declare her love for last week?
Drew (6m 28s):
I love, love.
Ashley (6m 29s):
All right, we got some good ones. Okay. All right. Drew loves layering of rugs.
Anita (6m 36s):
Ah, okay.
Anne (6m 37s):
Yeah,
Anita (6m 37s):
I love that.
Ashley (6m 39s):
Salmon skin.
Anne (6m 41s):
You know what, I think I was on the show and I was like, I think I need to try to eat my salmon skin next time. I always throw it away. Ooh.
Ashley (6m 49s):
I’m like, can’t relate. Okay.
Anne (6m 51s): Okay. What else?
Ashley (6m 51s):
She also loves poetry. We know this. Okay. And USA Today, which I thought was fun because I feel like some of our coolest newspaper items in our collection are from USA Today.
Anne (7m 2s):
That is funny though. Yeah.
Ashley (7m 4s):
Urban Outfitters. I feel like we knew that one. Okay. This one’s a little cheaty ’cause we’ve sort of had segments of this before. But I’m gonna put the full sentence in here. The funk of a man’s T-shirt.
Anita (7m 16s):
I agree.
Ashley (7m 17s):
She’s loved that since the Eric Erlandson days. I know she declared that back then.
Anne (7m 26s):
And yeah, if it’s the funk of the man that you love. Yeah, yeah. Or like are crushing on. Absolutely. But generally,
Ashley (7m 32s):
Yeah I don’t want some random man’s.
Anne (7m 33s):
Yeah. I think it’s like your, the funk of your man’s t-shirt is sort of what I was saying.
Anita (7m 38s):
Yeah. Not random funk.
Anne (7m 38s):
No random funk, please.
Ashley (7m 39s):
Alright. And finally, Drew loves a cheesecloth and a designer hook.
Anne (7m 45s): Just one of each.
Ashley (7m 48s):
Yeah, one of each. Singular.
Anne (7m 50s):
Also like designer hook, like something you like put on the wall to hang things.
Ashley (7m 54s):
Correct.
Anne (7m 55s):
That’s made by a designer. Okay.
Ashley (7m 56s):
And it looks good. Like it’s not just a random piece of hardware. Oh yeah.
Anne (7m 59s):
Oh, I do have kind of a cute one on my wall.
Ashley (8m 1s):
I believe it. I bet Anita does too. Anita has a amazing interior design style. Yes. And aesthetic eye. I always have been. I’ve always admired your eye for aesthetics.
Anita (8m 11s):
Thank you. It’s all thrifted. Every last thing I own basically.
Ashley (8m 16s):
That’s amazing. Well, you do it right.
Anne (8m 19s):
You still have to kind of like have the taste.
Ashley (8m 21s):
Yes. You know, and you do.
Anita (8m 24s):
I guess so. Yeah. Thank you.
Anne (8m 25s):
All right. So now for our Drewism of the week, what did you pull for us, Ashley?
Drew (8m 32s):
Oh, someone’s picking up, you know, those cool little isms that we do.
Ashley (8m 37s):
Okay. We haven’t had one of these in a while, so I like this one. So she was talking to People Magazine about how she has not gotten plastic surgery and she said, I look forward to seeing what I look like as a leather bag in the future.
Anne (8m 51s):
I’m sure she’ll be just a gorgeous weathered leather bag,
Ashley (8m 58s):
Like a thrifted bag that Anita would find and make look good.
Anita (9m 2s):
An old leather tote. Yes.
Anne (9m 6s):
Just, you know, a really functional, beautiful one that just makes you so happy when you look at it. Perfect.
Anita (9m 12s):
Perfect patina.
Anne (9m 13s):
Yes. Okay. So now for this week in Drew History, what did you pull?
Ashley (9m 21s):
Oh, this is a good one. Okay. November 21st, 1982. Let’s go back to the fourth annual Youth in Film awards. Woo. These were held at the Sheraton Universal Hotel and Drew won best young supporting actress in a motion picture for E.T. of course she was up against the other nominations were Toni Ann Gisondi from Annie. And I think that’s the part that Drew auditioned for the part of Molly in Annie. That’s my guess. I don’t know that for sure, but that’s my I my instinct. Okay. And then also nominated were Molly Ringwald in Tempest and then of course Heather O’Rourke in Poltergeist.
Ashley (10m 4s):
Another part Drew almost got or went for so. And there’s some really cute pictures of the two of them together at this award show.
Anne (10m 12s):
And we wanna play a little clip of when she won it because it’s so cute,
Ashley (10m 16s):
It’s so famous and like perfect.
Drew (10m 18s):
Thank you for this award. I appreciate it very much. This is my first award.
Ashley (10m 32s):
Oh, I love it so much.
Anne (10m 36s):
So cute.
Anita (10m 36s):
It’s the cutest,
Ashley (10m 37s):
Isn’t it a young Joey Lawrence who introduces her to the award. Is that right?
Anne (10m 44s):
It sure looks like it.
Ashley (10m 45s):
I’m pretty sure it is.
Anita (10m 47s):
I can’t remember, but that seems very familiar.
Ashley (10m 50s):
So cute. And I have a program from this. I totally had forgotten until I started like getting into it. I was like, oh yeah, that’s a good cool thing to have. Oh
Anne (10m 59s):
Cool. Yeah.
Ashley (10m 60s):
And there’s great photos of her again, like we said with Heather O’Rourke and then also with Robert McNaughton from E.T. E.T. Won like everything that year I guess. And it was kind of unusual. And then she
was nominated and attended several other years and supposedly she hosted them in 1985, which is so cool.
Anne (11m 19s):
Oh! We gotta find footage of that.
Ashley (11m 22s):
I knew she attended, but I know we just have photos. But every year it’s like hosted by a child actor, so it makes sense.
Anne (11m 29s):
Aw, that’s so cute.
Ashley (11m 30s):
I don’t know if they still go on or not. Probably not.
Anne (11m 34s):
I don’t feel like I’ve been in tune with the Youth in Film Awards for sure.
Ashley (11m 39s):
Not on your radar, huh?
Anne (11m 41s):
No, it’s not. You know, it’s not. Although, you know, if I had been a fan in the eighties, it might be. Yeah. Like everything that I know about in the industry is basically because of Drew. All right. So let’s get into what’s new with Drew. It looks like you’ve pulled quite a few little tidbits, Ash. So let’s talk about it.
Ashley (12m 1s):
You know what’s funny is that we, two episodes ago we were like, oh, the new Drew magazine, it’s coming, we’ll talk about it when we get it and then we forgot to talk about it Last week.
Anne (12m 11s):
Oops.
Ashley (12m 11s):
But we did a live on Instagram, so if you do wanna see, you know, what’s in the magazine and what our opinions are on it, you can go watch that. Either it’s on the Drewseum Instagram and you can see us chatting about it live.
Anne (12m 25s):
Yes. Just a couple little tidbits that are fun about it. For those of you who don’t check out the live and don’t have the magazine in your hands for some reason. A couple things that are cool. It’s the first time she’s had anyone other than just herself, well she’s on the magazine as well, on the cover.
Ashley (12m 40s):
That’s not a dog.
Anne (12m 41s):
Yes. Other humans.
Ashley (12m 42s):
Other humans. Yeah.
Anne (12m 44s):
And also her handwriting is featured on the cover as the little names for each of the individuals on the cover, which was really cool. So we talked about that in the ins in the Instagram Live. But just thought I would bring that up.
Ashley (12m 57s):
Speaking of humans. That’s a great segue. Drew got a new tattoo.
Anne (13m 1s):
Yes.
Ashley (13m 3s):
So exciting. So I did a little, a little research, a little sleuthing, and I found out that she got it on your birthday Anne, November 7th.
Anne (13m 13s):
Happy birthday to me.
Ashley (13m 14s):
So cool. I don’t know, it just seems special because we are talking about getting some tattoos right now. We are Anne and I, and also our friend Joalena. So for her to get a new one on your birthday just felt like a good sign. I like it.
Anne (13m 29s):
Yeah. Like we needed more encouragement to do this. We’ve been talking about it for years.
Ashley (13m 32s):
Truly.
Anne (13m 33s):
You know, like literally years and always trying to figure out like what’s the thing that we can do to like honor how we met, you know, our connection. So that’s coming up. So anyway, let’s talk about what the tattoo is. So she just got the words simply, I am human under her existing tattoo that says Home is where we are. And it’s on her right arm. It’s tattoo number 12. And I like this that she said she likes all but two of them, one of which we know is the flowers on her hip and what else do we think?
Ashley (14m 4s):
I think the other one is the bird. And the only reason I say that is because it’s the most random and it’s the one we don’t know anything about. Like why does she have that bird? That’s my guess.
Anne (14m 15s):
I feel like at some point she talked about how the moon doesn’t really look like a moon anymore, but I think she also really loves it, right?
Ashley (14m 23s):
Yeah. I don’t know. It could be the moon. What do you think Anita?
Anita (14m 27s):
I mean, so isn’t there one that says Jaid?
Ashley (14m 30s):
True.
Anita (14m 30s):
Yeah. So I mean that that might be, and not necessarily, yeah, I don’t know. Possibly the moon would be my guess as well because I think she basically said that it’s just blurry and you can’t tell that it’s a moon anymore. Yeah. But that’s something that, I don’t know if there’d necessarily be regret there. We might be right about the bird. I would be very curious to know the meaning behind that one
Anne (14m 58s):
Me too. Dying to know. Except for every time I see it, I’m like, I love perching birdies.
Anita (15m 2s): Of course.
Anne (15m 2s):
And I said that when we’re in New York, which I’ll talk about more in a minute too.
Ashley (15m 8s):
Oh, okay okay.
Anne (15m 8s):
Another tease guys.
Ashley (15m 9s):
She did say that she thinks she’ll be getting tattoos for the rest of her life, which is fun to imagine. They’ll still be coming,
Anne (15m 16s):
They’re gonna end up on her face if she keeps going.
Ashley (15m 19s):
Oh no. This one was done by artist John Mesa live on the show, sorta? Like when they actually started the show, it looked like it was already over, so…
Anne (15m 29s):
Oh!
Ashley (15m 29s):
I don’t totally know how that went.
Anne (15m 32s):
Like it was too fast. Yeah, we weren’t filming yet, John.
Ashley (15m 36s):
But she did say it was the least painful one she’d ever gotten. So he has like a little, a really light touch apparently.
Anne (15m 41s):
Nice. The text is very thin also. So I wonder if there’s something about that.
Ashley (15m 47s):
I was thinking that too. Joel Madden was the guest on the show and he approved of what she wrote and he had like a really nice thing to say about it and she said it sent her on her way with little clouds and wings.
Anne (15m 58s):
Aw. And Joel Madden is the one that’s married to Cameron Diaz?
Ashley (16m 2s):
Nope, it’s the one that’s married to Nicole Richie.
Anne (16m 5s):
Okay.
Ashley (16m 5s):
But she’s like, we’re not family, but we kind of are My best friend is married to your twin brother, like you know,
Anne (16m 12s):
What’s the other brother’s name? I’m blanking.
Anita (16m 14s):
Benji.
Ashley (16m 14s):
Benji. Yep. Yep. That’s right.
Anne (16m 16s):
Thank you for pulling that out.
Ashley (16m 18s):
Still is so random to me. Like him and Cameron I go never would’ve.
Anne (16m 21s):
Yeah. But also it’s like she did date like Jared Leto who was like in a band, you know, like maybe
Ashley (16m 29s): Justin Timberlake.
Anne (16m 29s): Yeah, that’s true.
Ashley (16m 30s):
Related I guess.
Anne (16m 31s):
Yeah. So maybe she’s just really attracted to people who she’s seen on stage.
Ashley (16m 36s):
I mean we, we all get that.
Anita (16m 39s):
Yeah. She likes the musician, who doesn’t.?
Anne (16m 41s):
Exactly. Exactly. Funnily enough. So I was watching the Megan Fox interview, which was really good. And I totally had this like very subconscious thought of like, wow, Drew’s arm is really getting full like with all those tattoos. And then I realized it was actually already there. It was like before we knew she got the tattoo. But
Ashley (17m 5s):
yeah Filming schedule wise, they had already filmed it and I was like, oh, part of me subconsciously knew there was something new there, but I didn’t,
Anne (17m 12s):
You’re so familiar with like how full her arm is that like, you’re like, that’s weird. Why is that weird?
Ashley (17m 17s):
And then this is just on the same sort of tattoo train. So she had an interview with the F-1 driver, Daniel Ricciardo, and she showed him a picture of her James Cherub tattoo because he has a similar angel and either the way they showed it and they edited it or it’s real, his name is totally blacked out now, so I’m so curious like did they just like Photoshop it or has she gotten it covered? Like it was more than, I think it could have naturally bled to,
Anne (17m 53s):
Yep. Maybe.
Anita (17m 53s):
Oh,
Ashley (17m 53s):
We’ll have to share a screenshot of it.
Anita (17m 57s):
Maybe that’s one of the regret tattoos maybe.
Anne (18m 0s):
Maybe.
Ashley (18m 1s):
Yeah. But then I was like, if she’s showing it to him. So could she say she doesn’t? I don’t know. I don’t know. But I thought it was pretty funny that his name is totally, totally gone. And then of course I have, you know me, I’m such a little bitch, I gotta call out anytime that Drew gets her dates wrong.
Anne (18m 20s):
Of course
Ashley (18m 20s):
She’s like, she’s like, I got this one when I was 13. I’m like, Drew, you did not know Jamie Walters. Like you dated him four years later. That’s when you got this tattoo too.
Anne (18m 31s):
I think that’s what she needs to hire us to do. I think we’ve said this is just to be like, I’m gonna talk about this on the show. Can you tell me the timeline? Thanks.
Ashley (18m 39s):
Fact checkers, we’re here for it.
Anne (18m 40s):
Okay, so what else you got for this week?
Ashley (18m 45s):
Drew also was part of the Domino, Domino Magazine Good Design Awards. So for home products. And she was one of six guest editors who helped choose a bunch of products that were especially cool this year, I guess.
Anita (18m 59s):
That’s neat.
Anne (19m 0s):
Okay. She helped choose some for it. Yeah. Okay.
Ashley (19m 4s):
Also the beautiful Drew chair was on the list, which, conveniently enough. I dunno if that’s a little coincidence or what.
Anne (19m 13s):
I wonder, I wonder if it’s sort of like if you are a designer that has something that’s been highly like rated, you get to be on the like judging side as well. Maybe it’s like, maybe it works like that. I don’t know.
Ashley (19m 27s):
Maybe.
Anne (19m 27s):
I would like to think they wouldn’t just like, people wouldn’t just be nominating their own products. Who knows?
Anita (19m 32s):
Who know. I see so many versions of that chair as well. Like everywhere now. Yep. But there are multiple colorways now. Yep. There’s it used to be white and now there’s like a sage green.
Ashley (19m 44s):
Yes.
Anne (19m 44s):
I want the sage.
Ashley (19m 46s):
Yes,
Anita (19m 46s):
I love the green.
Ashley (19m 48s):
And then the final thing I wanna mention, and then I’m gonna take like a little backseat and just listen to you guys. The Drew Barrymore Show hit a Ratings high. This is via The Wrap and I guess it was a 22 week ratings high averaging 1.1 million viewers in the Last week of October. And it is currently the number three most watched syndicated talk show. So Wow.
Anne (20m 12s): Nice. Yes.
Ashley (20m 13s):
I guess the whole scandal of the writer strike didn’t hurt them too badly.
Anne (20m 18s):
Well, unless, unless that’s why people are tuning in. ’cause they’re like, can we really hate Miss Drew Barrymore? And then they’re like, no, it’s impossible. Yeah, no, but that’s congrats to Drew and the show. That’s so cool. Yeah.
Ashley (20m 31s):
Great news.
Anne (20m 32s):
Howdy, Drewbies.
Ashley (20m 37s):
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Anne (21m 55s):
Okay. I know you said you wanted to take a back seat and I gotta just jump in the driver’s seat right now.
Ashley (22m 5s):
Well I’m just like, I feel like I’m gonna be one of our listeners right now. I’m like on the edge of my seat because I, I have heard parts of this story, but you were standing on a busy New York street while you were telling me
Anne (22m 16s):
I sure was.
Ashley (22m 16s):
Let’s hear what you guys did this week.
Anne (22m 21s):
Okay, so our weekly topic is just talking about, you know, a little old visit to New York City that Anita and I took this past week. Yay. Yeah. So our visit included The Drew Barrymore Show on November 16th. We attended the first taping of the day and it’s going to air on the 22nd and now we’re gonna get into our story a little bit. Okay. So the first thing I wanted to talk about with this taping is that we are lucky enough to be in contact with Drew’s current personal assistant who has been really lovely but we haven’t really been able to do any events to like really utilize that contact. So this was one of the first things that we were able to do is reach out and say, Hey Anne will be there, what can you do?
Anne (23m 4s):
So we didn’t really know what that would mean.
Ashley (23m 7s):
I do wanna interject and just say a big thank you to Tony Crago. Tony was Drew’s assistant at one point and he kind of helped introduce us to her current one. So thank you to Tony and if you guys wanna know more from Tony, we’re gonna be doing a Q&A episode with him real soon. So be on the lookout for the call for questions.
Anne (23m 26s):
Yes. And also check out the previous episode we did with Tony, which was a lot of fun. Yep. Okay. So we got that affirmative, we’re in sort of thing. And then Anita and I quickly planned the trip, so literally like a little over a week before we planned this trip. Okay.
Anita (23m 43s):
Since I’m riding shotgun. Yes. Can I just say
Anne (23m 47s):
Yes.
Anita (23m 48s):
It was on your birthday that you were basically like, should we do this?
Anne (23m 53s):
Yes.
Anita (23m 54s):
Can this be a thing?
Anne (23m 56s):
I think you’re right.
Anita (23m 56s):
Can we go to New York City? And it just kind of all came together so quickly and so easily that it felt 100% like meant to happen.
Anne (24m 5s):
Yes.
Ashley (24m 5s):
Love it.
Anne (24m 6s):
Yeah. And I don’t really believe necessarily that the universe cares about us little humans, but sometimes it feels like you’re getting a little push, you know, it’s like, yes, absolutely. You feel something happening and it’s like I just have to do this. And I’m very fortunate that I am able to just pick up and do that. I mean obviously let’s go ahead and just jump to New York City. So we made our way there. We were there by Wednesday the 15th in the evening and just so excited. We’re like, can’t wait till the morning, just kind of buzzing all night. And then we’re making our way that morning to the studio and right when we get to the block of the studio, Ross is on the corner and so. And I kind of nudged Anita and she’s like, what?
Anne (24m 48s):
What? And then I was like, I’m just gonna go for it because we were about to cross and everyone in New York jaywalks. Okay. So like it was just us and Ross and maybe there was someone behind us, but there
really weren’t that many people like on the corner. And so I, I just like kind of looked over and was like, hi Ross.
Ashley (25m 1s):
Oh my gosh.
Anne (25m 2s):
And then I was, and he’s like, oh hi. He was like really sweet. And I said, we’re coming to the show. And I just wanted to say hi and we’re really big fans of Drew and we’re so excited. And he was like, great, I’ll see you. And I’ll look a lot better than this. And he looked great. Of course he always looks put together. I know, right? So I was like, you look amazing what you’re talking about. And then we’re like, okay, see you in there.
Ashley (25m 21s):
Aw. Yeah. Can I ask real quick? Yeah. Did he seem to realize that you guys were there?
Anita (25m 26s):
Yes, he did.
Anne (25m 27s):
Did he say something like, oh you guys got great seats?
Anita (25m 29s):
Yes he did. He came up to where we were sitting and he, he made a comment like that so he went hundred percent like realized where we were and that he had seen us on the street. Oh cute. Yeah, it was very cute.
Anne (25m 39s):
And I wish I would’ve like thought to take a picture but I was just like, he’s on his way to work. Literally.
Ashley (25m 43s):
Yeah. And you’re like crossing a street. That’s ok.
Anne (25m 45s):
Yes. But I’m glad I just acknowledged ’cause of course he was so sweet. I wanted to say also that we got permission ahead of time from her staff to bring Drew a gift. You’re not supposed to do that. It says it explicitly on the ticket
Ashley (25m 56s): Breaking the law. Yeah.
Anne (25m 58s):
We were instructed by her assistant to hand it to this really sweet guard. I think I said something about like really appreciating his role in protecting Drew or something. And he is like, yeah, he said something about how Drew like hugs everyone and is very like, you know, welcoming and sometimes that makes them feel a little bit like, come on Drew. Like don’t be so like opening yourself up to everybody. So it’s kind of interesting.
Ashley (26m 15s):
I could definitely see that. Yeah.
Anne (26m 22s):
I sort of explained to him ’cause he’s like, who are you that we’ve been in touch with her staff for many years and deeply respect that chain of command. At which point he brought up Chris Miller and like, do you know Chris Miller? And I was like, oh yeah, I actually met him in 2001 and that was my initial connection. And then we kind of both gushed about him a little bit.
Ashley (26m 37s):
How cute. Can I say when you texted me and you’re like, oh I had to give the gift to a security guard. I was like, damn it. Like it’s just gonna go in some random like pile of gifts. But no, then when you explained I was like, oh okay, that’s better.
Anne (26m 55s):
The little gift that we wanted to get Drew, actually it’s kind of funny how it came up.
Ashley (27m 0s):
It is.
Anne (27m 1s):
So last week in our episode we used a little clip about Drew saying she calls her house, Chez Sardine. And when we did that I was like, okay, I gotta make sure I can find this clip later. So then I like just typed the word Chez Sardine into our text and I think you did a, a test search to see if it would work. It was just sort of a silly thing. And you saw that you’d had a screenshot of a really cute tea towel.
Ashley (27m 25s):
So yeah, I, I mean I can tell this part because I actually am involved with this part. Yeah. So I just did like a random search sardine in my text and because the technology is insane now, it pulled up this tea towel that I had sent you a picture of a while back like, oh we should get this for Drew because it has a really cute illustration of three little sardines in their little tin can just like Drew and her daughters in bed. Yep. And and I was like, wait a minute, we should actually get this for her now that you’re going. So there was this whole thing, I won’t like go too far into it, but we ended up having to get it overnighted and luckily like the both the
maker of the towel and the shop where we bought it were super awesome and worked with us to make sure it got there in time.
Ashley (28m 9s):
So it was just kind of, again, it all worked out. It was like one of those signs as well.
Anne (28m 13s):
Yep. And then we had it delivered to my hotel and I was so excited when I got there and it was there. It was like, yes. Success.
Ashley (28m 19s):
Yes, I know. And we’ll share a picture of it in the episode page. Of course.
Anne (28m 23s):
Yes. And I’ll, I’ll mention that a little bit more later ’cause we were able to give it to Drew. We got a little bit of a response, so we’ll talk about that in a minute. When we got there we were ushered past like the lines of regular ticket holders, which always feels a little bit weird. Yeah. When we got in, we were greeted by name. I think they like talked to each other. Everyone has like a radio. So when we walked in they’re like, and we’re like, oh yes. Wow. And we were handed tickets with a little blue highlight across the front, which when I saw that I was like, what do other people’s tickets have? Like what does that mean? Because we still didn’t know where we would be sitting in the studio. Sure. And we’re just like thrilled like we’re here. And I also, before I really like move forward too much, Anita has never been able to meet Drew.
Anne (29m 5s):
So this was this opportunity for us to meet New York and for that to happen, like there was a certain buzzing ness. Like I was so excited for that
Ashley (29m 14s):
Same
Anne (29m 14s):
While we were sitting in Thera waiting room. This was one of the coolest like things. Yeah. Drew’s assistant was walking by and she was with the dogs Douglas and Lucy and we got to have a little moment with them. So I think I just, just like, hey. And she came over and the dogs were right at her tail. I started petting Lucy immediately. It was like such a fluffy sweet cloud. Oh my gosh.
Ashley (29m 41s): Amazing.
Anne (29m 41s):
And Lucy almost started to like lay down at my feet.
Anita (29m 46s):
Aw.
Anne (29m 46s):
Douglas was also there and I, I sort of like, the word that kept coming to my mind when I was thinking back on it is like, Douglas is so like regal and attentive. That’s sweet. Like it’s very cute and Lucy just seems like, is like, all right, I’m just gonna lay down here and chill. It was so cute. Okay.
Ashley (30m 5s):
Question. Did you tell Douglas and Lucy to listen to our pets episode?
Anne (30m 9s):
I, I didn’t, I didn’t wanna make a spectacle. I always felt like I was
Anita (30m 13s):
Ata,
Anne (30m 14s):
But yes, it was my chance to say thank you to her assistant for you know, getting us in there and gave her a big hug. And yeah, it was cool seeing the dogs. I mean amazing
Ashley (30m 25s):
If
Anne (30m 26s):
You watch the show, you know, you know that the dogs are around
Anita (30m 29s):
But yeah,
Anne (30m 30s):
I didn’t know that I would get to see them first so that, no
Ashley (30m 33s):
Kidding. Did anyone else in the waiting room like seemed to recognize the dogs?
Anne (30m 37s):
I don’t know.
Anita (30m 38s):
Yes. I felt like there were a couple of people who definitely kind of knew and recognized the dogs and tried to call them over. Oh my God. But the dogs did kind of immediately come to us and stick near us and like lay down near us. It was one of my favorite moments of the entire experience.
Ashley (30m 56s):
That is so cool.
Anne (30m 57s):
And we were joking after like I’m like, well we just have the aura, like Drew, like we’ve been, we’ve been modeling our like aura after this lovely person that happens to be their mom. So like Drew.
Anita (31m 10s):
Yeah. We could sense it. It was very nice of her to come in and like give us hugs. Yes. Oh
Anne (31m 18s):
Totally.
Anita (31m 19s):
And speak with us and yeah. I think she even thanked you for the gift perhaps.
Anne (31m 23s):
Maybe. I think she might’ve said Drew loved it at that point.
Anita (31m 27s):
Yeah, yeah, that’s right. She did. Oh wow.
Ashley (31m 29s):
That’s crazy to imagine like this was being delivered to her and you were on the other side of the wall.
Anne (31m 35s):
Yeah. Like she was looking at it. Well it was a trip. Like I saw the security guard who I handed to earlier, like walk by, go like 20 seconds and then come back empty handed. I’m like, that means she’s like in an office like right there.
Anita (31m 48s):
True. But you were also like, I hope that didn’t end up in a garbage can. Yeah, totally.
Anne (31m 53s):
So we entered the studio and we were still, we were kind of standing in line, slowly waiting. They were seating some people in the like kind of bleacher area and some people were sitting in the front like leather chairs, which we still didn’t know. Right. And then right when we walked up they said Anne and Anita.
Anita (32m 11s):
Wow.
Ashley (32m 12s):
That’s so cool you guys.
Anne (32m 15s):
I know. Yeah. And then we’re like yes. And then they ushered us to two of the four very front seats.
Ashley (32m 21s):
Yes.
Anne (32m 21s):
And we’re immediately like, what are we doing here? You know?
Anita (32m 25s):
Yeah. It was surreal.
Anne (32m 27s):
It was
Ashley (32m 29s):
Was the set just as beautiful as like it looks on screen,
Anne (32m 32s):
It was really beautiful but as usual of course like you can, you know when you walk into one of those studios you see like behind the facade. Yeah, yeah. Which is such a funny thing. And when you’re actually there, like there are camera cables everywhere. But it was really like a beautifully designed studio. We were admiring some of the books that were in the like side. Oh cool. Seats we were in were like leather swivel chairs. I know,
Ashley (32m 56s):
They’re so pretty. Yeah, I’ve totally noticed though.
Anne (32m 58s):
So comfy, the interview area was about 10 feet to our right and the kitchen area was about like 15 feet to our left just to kinda give you like gauging where stuff was happening. And
Ashley (33m 8s):
Then the Drew’s news
Anne (33m 10s):
Desk. Drew’s desk. Desk. Yeah.
Anita (33m 10s):
Feel like once we got in there and we’re seated I was like wow. It feels a lot smaller than it appears like on tv. Yes.
Anne (33m 17s):
And also the audience is not like a large, a super large audience.
Anita (33m 21s):
No, not at all.
Anne (33m 23s):
Okay. So now we get into Drew actually arriving on set. Yeah.
Ashley (33m 26s):
Where’d she enter from?
Anne (33m 28s):
I think she entered from the side door on the left. Do you remember Anita?
Anita (33m 31s):
I think she entered from the I. No, did she come down the the from the back
Anne (33m 36s):
Behind us?
Anita (33m 36s):
I think she came from behind us.
Ashley (33m 38s):
Yeah, I was, that’s kind of what I was wondering.
Anne (33m 41s):
But we were just like, our head was swiveling everywhere, like where is she gonna come from? So she first like was kind of ushered over to the area where she would be interviewing Lisa Ling and I thought it was after the interview that she actually like locked eyes with us. But Anita reminded me that it was actually before. So yes she walked over there. Oh my god. And then looked right at us and smiled and waved and then just kind of started to like shuffle over
Ashley (34m 10s):
Oh my God.
Anne (34m 10s):
And came over and like immediately hugged us and I think the first thing she said to me was, I love the gift or something to that effect. Oh she said she like wanted to come back and try to talk more but of course she’s running her show. We had the quickest little introduction to Anita.
Anita (34m 29s):
Yeah.
Anne (34m 29s):
Can you gimme your perspective on that moment Anita? ’cause I feel like I was so like what is happening?
Anita (34m 36s):
It’s so funny ’cause that’s the moment I remember the the best.
Anne (34m 40s):
Okay.
Anita (34m 40s):
Oh so she came out and she kind of like turned around and said I think a couple of things to like the rest of the audience to all of us I guess. And then she walked over to do the Lisa Ling interview and she sat down in the chair and then she kind of was like surveying the audience and looked over at us and then she made eye contact with both of us. But then she looked specifically at Anne and I think she like started to talk but then she realized she was quite far to make it like personal. Yeah. So then she got up and came over and was like hugging both of us and like speaking with us for an extended period when they should be filming.
Anita (35m 21s):
And then she like started to walk back over afterwards and like said something to the effect of like, oh like I’m so sorry like that, you know, I took the time to do that. Or like, I’m making us behind or something like that. I can’t really remember what the wording was, but she like actually took classic Drew. Yeah. She like took that moment when she like kind of put off the interview with Lisa to come and speak with us. Which I thought was very, very
Ashley (35m 47s):
Lisa’s like. Hello.
Anita (35m 48s):
Yeah.
Anne (35m 49s):
The other thing I wasn’t aware of, but obviously if I was in the bleachers and I saw Drew go up to somebody, I’d be like, who the hell’s that? Totally. Also, I, I have to like step back a second and say that the warmup person, which if you’ve ever been to a talk show, which Anita you had before, Ashley of course you and I’ve been to send, they do the, you know, the warmup person comes out and they were like, Drew loves talking to the audience. She’ll probably try to talk to all of you. Oops.
Anita (36m 16s):
Whoop.
Anne (36m 16s):
Or just the two of you right there. Yes. But so I, I do feel like we got like that attention there was, there was some other talking to the audience moments for sure. One other cute thing that I do remember from that moment is that she was kind of starting to walk back away from us towards the interview spot and she was like wanting to show her sardine ta to, to us I guess. Yes. Because she started to kind of try to unbutton her sleeve and I was like I know, I know. That’s why we got it for you.
Anita (36m 44s):
Yeah. But she couldn’t do it. She’s
Ashley (36m 46s):
Like, you won’t believe this but I have a sardine.
Anne (36m 48s):
Okay so now I’m just gonna like say what kind of what the segments of the show were just ’cause it’s kind of cool to talk about what we saw. So she did an interview with Lisa Ling as we, as we mentioned and it was an
investigative report she did about psychedelic mushrooms being used for trauma and mental illness and all kinds of stuff. Really fascinating. Wow. And one of the things Drew said was that yeah she has done mushrooms but when she’s done mushrooms she’s running in a field and listening to Ridge against the machine
Ashley (37m 27s):
That tracks.
Anne (37m 27s):
Yes. And then even though the, our view was kind of obstructed by these like massive TV cameras, we were able to see Drew kind of in like three quarter profiles sometimes depending on how she was looking. I don’t, I don’t know what your view was Anita at that
Anita (37m 45s):
Point. Yeah, same.
Anne (37m 47s):
Okay. But what we loved and we kind of cracked up about after is that we could see Douglas on like the fluffy rug at their feet, like cleaning himself almost the whole time. Oh my gosh. Which is so cute.
Anita (37m 58s):
Yes.
Anne (37m 58s):
Yeah. So, and other thing I’ll say about the dogs is I didn’t see Lucy for like almost the entire show until there’s a cooking segment towards the end and I saw Lucy kind of roaming around. I think you pointed out Lucy to me. Yeah.
Ashley (38m 12s):
She’s like food time
Anne (38m 13s):
Douglas was like following Drew everywhere. It was very cute.
Ashley (38m 16s):
Oh sweet. Anita, can I ask you, did you feel like Drew’s so tiny in person when you saw her where you’re like, oh my God she’s so tiny like that, that I always feel that way?
Anita (38m 26s):
Yes and no. No. I don’t know. I think maybe because this sounds strange but I used to be much larger. Like I’ve lost a lot of weight and so I feel like my perspective then is maybe a little bit different than it might be now. But Oh interesting. I, I feel like she wasn’t as like tiny as I think I pictured in my mind. Oh she’s definitely like a petite person but I don’t know she just wasn’t as like petite and little as I think I expected her to be.
Ashley (38m 56s):
Fascinating. Yeah. Okay, cool. Just curious.
Anne (38m 58s):
Ashlyn and I have always said every time we see her I’m like struck by how small she is. Right. But it’s not like, it’s not even one thing. It’s not like she’s so skinny or she’s so short. It’s like just
Ashley (39m 9s):
All around.
Anita (39m 10s):
Right. All
Anne (39m 11s):
Around. So now Drew’s news, which was so cute and fun as it always is, Drew and Ross, they had a story about texting and about like in relationships especially early in the relationship, like if texting is a good idea. Yeah. And Drew was like so firm in the, I hate texting side and Ross talked about how much he loved it and it was just kind of funny when you guys see the show, if you’ll see her just kind of like, I hate it. I hate it.
Ashley (39m 43s):
I can totally visualize that. I don’t even need to see you right now. I know the face.
Anita (39m 48s):
I’m with her by the way. You’re
Anne (39m 51s):
With her.
Anita (39m 51s):
Oh absolutely.
Anne (39m 52s):
Yeah. I’m such a texter. I do remember she said something like, I love it for logistics but other than that, yes
let’s just enjoy our time in person. Let’s not try to like communicate stuff through this.
Anita (40m 2s):
Exactly. I agree.
Anne (40m 3s):
I understand the idea but I’m just so, I’m like such a like into all the technology, let’s use the things that make efficient. Right. I don’t know. So I
Anita (40m 13s):
Think I’m very easily like misunderstood through text.
Anne (40m 14s):
Okay, okay. And
Anita (40m 16s):
Just in general honestly as a human. But I feel like through text especially, I always feel like there’s like, wait did you mean this? Yeah. Or did you mean that that happens a lot. So I think it’s way easier in person.
Anne (40m 27s):
It lacks tone. Yeah,
Anita (40m 28s):
True. Totally.
Anne (40m 29s):
So I get it. It was just really cute hearing her like ha
Anita (40m 34s):
Yeah
Anne (40m 34s):
There was a segment where they talked about like this tip that they like read about, about cutting a piece of cake using tongs, like kitchen tongs and they attempted to cut a piece of cake with the beautiful tongs, which I feel like that type, they’re like a bulkier handle. So I think that’s why it didn’t work. But anyway, it kind of failed. It kind of like smashed the cake. It was pretty funny.
Anita (40m 58s):
Yeah. They’re like rubber handles and I feel like you need like the The fully metal Yeah the metal metal tong.
Yeah.
Anne (41m 3s):
Like the flat handle ones. Yep. But Drew like tasted the cake I guess not realizing that it was pumpkin spice and she apparently hates pumpkin spice.
Anita (41m 12s):
Yeah.
Ashley (41m 13s):
I think she said that recently on the show.
Anita (41m 16s):
And then Ross offered like a piece to the audience. Yes. And I was very tempted to get it but I felt like it was one of those weird moments where I couldn’t tell if it was just for like to be so offering it. You know what I mean? Or if he really did some want someone to come up and take, take the piece of cake and try it.
Anne (41m 34s):
Well after the fact when I had that massive headache I really was wishing we had had that piece of cake.
Anita (41m 39s):
Absolutely.
Anne (41m 40s):
So one other thing that I, that I thought was really cute when we were watching the Drew news segment at one point, I don’t remember what they were talking about, but Drew looked over and we were petting Douglas ’cause Douglas had come down and she like, oh my god. And she gave us like a really scrunchie face smile and it was so cute ’cause it looked like she was like proud mama.
Anita (42m 2s):
Yes. Oh that’s so special. Isn’t cute. Absolutely
Anne (42m 6s):
That cute.
Ashley (42m 6s):
Love that. Oh my gosh you guys,
Anne (42m 9s):
Whenever Douglas was wandering I’d be like, come here. And because we were right up front,
Anita (42m 15s):
That was one of the three like very personal moments. Yes. Aw. Like that’s how I looked at it was like the first was when she came over before interviewing Lisa and then that was the second. Yes.
Anne (42m 23s):
It was so sweet. It was just like a little, I don’t know how to describe it but I loved that like it was like her baby.
Anita (42m 30s):
It was a very intimate moment that you would like almost do to like a friend. Exactly. Or like someone whos come to your home and meeting your pets for the first time.
Anne (42m 37s):
Yes. Like you look across the room at a party and you see them petting your loved your loved one.
Ashley (42m 41s):
I love that.
Anita (42m 42s):
It was so cute.
Anne (42m 44s):
So one other segment they did was a side dish competition because I love that Thanksgiving is like couple days after it airs. The judges were Eric Andre and his writing partner Dan Curry. So that was really fun that Drew did like a celery and Lee soup with Pilar. Yeah. And I forget what the other thing was Ross was doing with someone else and I’m sorry, I don’t know who
Anita (43m 7s):
With some sort of stuffing. Right.
Anne (43m 9s):
It was like a stuffing thing but then it had like falafel in it. I can’t remember. Yeah. It was so fun to see Pilar. Yeah,
Ashley (43m 15s):
I was gonna ask about that.
Anne (43m 16s):
I looked over at Anita and I was like, isn’t she so cute? And we were just admiring like her super cute blonde pixie cut and her, she just has
Ashley (43m 24s):
Like a personal style that I’m like, no one could pull this off, but you always look cute.
Anne (43m 28s):
Yeah. She, she knows what works for her I think. Yeah. So that was fun even though though once again because it was like over to the side TV cameras were basically obstructing our view, but it was still super cool to get like, you know, peeks here and there. A lot of stuff was going on ’cause there were like five people behind the like kitchen area and then Eric Andre and Dan Curry were off to the side. So there were like seven people kind of clustered in one corner.
Ashley (43m 52s):
Wow. That’s unusual.
Anne (43m 53s):
It was kind of crazy. And then Drew and Pilar won for their side dish and they got an award that was like, had a big Turkey on the top. And you remember how a couple weeks ago you said that Drew said she loves the Drew Barrymore show trophies, award
Ashley (44m 8s):
Trophies. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anita (44m 10s):
That’s
Anne (44m 11s):
Awesome. So this, so this was one of them, I think the very end of the show was this like Turkey dance where they pulled a mother and daughter from the audience and had them wear these Turkey hats and they put boxes of feathers strapped to their back and they had to like kind of like twerk to get the feathers to come out. It was amazing. It was so funny. But the audience members were so cute and the daughter started to tear up when she was talking to Drew. She’s like, I’m such a big fan of you. And then Drew gave her a big hug of course and just made her feel lovely. You could tell it was like a really cool encounter. Anyway, that was super cute. And then after they were like kind of wrapping up the show, they filmed Drew and Eric Andre dance to Islands in the Stream and it’s already been posted on social media.
Anne (45m 2s):
So that’s something that they recorded right in front of us. Like it was immediately in front of us.
Ashley (45m 7s):
I know. I was like, were you guys right here for this? Yep.
Anne (45m 10s):
You were. Yeah. Yeah. And I like how they cut it together. It’s really cute. The one thing they didn’t show is that they attempted to do the Worm and Drew when she stood up had like fuzz all over the front of her clothing and she was wearing like this dark blue suit and immediately like all her people came out and were like rolling her, fixing her hair light
Ashley (45m 31s):
Rollers. Yeah.
Anne (45m 32s):
So after the show finished filming, Drew was standing on stage talking to the audience and she was talking about the holidays. And maybe you’ll have a little bit more of a recollection of exactly what she said Anita. But what I remember is that she talked about like whatever form of family you have, she like said that she didn’t have a traditional family growing up. And even with this blended family now she feels like she finally has that feeling surrounding the holidays of like belonging and all this stuff. And when they were talking, Ross and Drew’s hands were like held tight together. It was really sweet.
Anita (46m 5s):
Oh yeah. It was a very like sweet moment.
Anne (46m 8s):
Yeah. Do you remember anything else about what she said in that moment?
Anita (46m 11s):
I mean that was the gist of it and just a lot of talking about how you can, you know, create a family and that that’s what she’s always sought to do is create her own type of family with friends. And then that’s when she mentioned like kind of like the blended family with Allie and Will and the girls. And it was just a very like vulnerable, intimate moment with her sharing like details like that about her life, which I thought was really sweet. Yeah.
Anne (46m 38s):
And it, it was just to the audience, it wasn’t filmed. It was like that’s really cool. Her kind of like talking to us. Yeah. It was very sweet. And we, you know, we see lots of clips of stuff like this on social media so we saw that like,
Ashley (46m 49s):
I mean maybe it will be posted. That’d be pretty
Anne (46m 51s):
Cool. Maybe could be. So then after that happened, Drew approached us again just as the studio was about to start emptying out. So they were about to like kind of start ushering all of the audience members out. But I don’t know if I’m remembering it exactly right, so please correct me if I’m wrong, but she was basically like almost right away. Like, do you know our social media coordinator? Do you remember Anita? Like,
Anita (47m 12s):
So I kind of feel like when she approached us after filming, I think initially it was to thank you once again for the gift and to just kind of like just speak with us. But then she did, she said something like, have you connected with my social media manager? Yeah. And then you were like, like no. And then we’ve tried and there was a little bit of that discussion and then she was like, here come with me. Follow me. Oh
Ashley (47m 37s):
My God you guys,
Anita (47m 39s):
She motioned us with her arm. Yeah. Like with her hand. And then we just started following her backstage and of course there was this, this huge part of me that was like, we’re gonna see her office. Yeah. We’re gonna be like Right. Obviously we didn’t, it would’ve been amazing.
Ashley (47m 54s):
But are you just like, what is happening? What is happening? Oh my gosh. Absolutely. Yes.
Anne (47m 58s):
I feel like she just kind of said like we need to put you in touch. Which was so trippy. So she walks us over there, we kind of enter like the door that’s right at stage Wright. We’re right by where Fabrizio Moretti’s drawing is. And how did we find out? That was a drawing that he did Ashley,
Ashley (48m 16s):
She did some sort of cool feature on the design of the set and mentioned that they didn’t show that that was it, but I think we both were like, oh that’s definitely gotta be the one that has to be it. It’s like something he did in college, which is so cool. Yeah.
Anne (48m 31s):
She instructed basically the social media coordinator to exchange numbers with me.
Ashley (48m 36s):
God amazing.
Anne (48m 36s):
So we did it right there. We did that. And I started to explain to her just so like she knew, like I didn’t know if they’d already talked about it before, like I have no idea. But I started explaining to this social media gal, I said like, okay, we have a massive archive. I have no doubt that we would have useful material to you to use. Drew said something about like she really wants to do flashbacks. She was talking about flashbacks and she mentioned something about like the strike that there’s like certain stuff they know they can’t use.
Yes. Or something. So they’re trying to like yeah. Figure out what content they can use. And I was like interesting. We’ve got con, I think I said something like we’ve got content at the wazoo.
Ashley (49m 13s):
I mean true. That is another one of our slogans. Content up the wazoo.
Anne (49m 17s):
Yes. And then I, again, I don’t know how this came up necessarily, but she said like they have so much and then she said something like kind of to me, but it seemed like an example to her social media gal Drew said, they gave me one of the only pictures I have of my parents that’s hanging in my house.
Ashley (49m 36s):
Oh my God.
Anne (49m 37s):
And then I was like, yeah and that picture might be from when your mother was pregnant with you and she made this like face like she kind of didn’t remember that fact maybe or I don’t know. It was just like, oh
Anita (49m 49s):
It looked like she was about to tear up.
Ashley (49m 50s):
Yeah, well just like when we gave it to her, we love making her cry.
Anne (49m 53s):
And I think she was pregnant when we gave it to her, wasn’t she? Yes.
Ashley (49m 56s):
That was the whole idea. So that’s crazy because that was like nine years ago or something. And I know how touching that she remembered that’s from us.
Anne (50m 4s):
I know. And I almost, there’s always a part of me that’s like, and this is just me, whatever, questioning my own self worth or whatever, but just being like, she doesn’t really remember who I am, you know, like yeah sure that that they’ve just, her people have prepped her and but that moment I was like, oh, she connects this moment with like the drm, you know, which I was like, yes. Like this is exactly what we want. We wanna be like a source for her.
Ashley (50m 27s):
I also just wanna point out like how many times we have like looked in the background of her pictures or videos like are any of the photos we gave her back there? So to hear that she definitely still has one of them up in her house. Yep. Feels so good.
Anne (50m 39s):
I, that’s definitely the most special one
Ashley (50m 41s):
Too. Yeah. Love that moment. That one like really got me teary when you told me that. Yeah.
Anne (50m 47s):
That that was pretty cool. And maybe you remember a little bit more than I do Anita about how the podcast came up. I think I said it out loud.
Anita (50m 55s):
I think you were the first to actually, yes. You. You did. Yeah. Okay.
Anne (50m 59s):
So I said something like, oh, and we have a podcast now. And Drew said, I just learned about it. Holy shit. Yes. And I think she means from the card, ’cause I mentioned it in the card,
Ashley (51m 9s):
Like, can we just take a moment? Like she knows about the pod now. That’s the thing. That’s a real thing. I
Anne (51m 15s):
Know.
Anita (51m 16s):
Can I also mention that I said I’m not Ashley
Anne (51m 19s):
Because every time I said Ashley, they were looking at you. Yeah.
Anita (51m 25s):
Yes. They kept looking over at me and I didn’t really know what to say. So eventually I was just like, I’m not Ashley.
Ashley (51m 31s):
That’s okay. That happened when Jolena and I went and Jolena had to be like, I’m not Anne. She could come.
Anne (51m 37s):
It’s unfortunate we haven’t done it together.
Ashley (51m 41s):
I know we will. We will. Yeah.
Anne (51m 43s):
In that moment I was like, Anita is an old fan and she’s been a fan even longer than I have. Like she’s here with me. And I was like, we met because of you. Like Oh really? Yeah. Yeah.
Anita (51m 52s):
Oh you guys, that’s so cool.
Anne (51m 55s):
But anyway, Drew said something to the effect of like, yeah, I know about it now and we wanna promote it. And I was like, oh my God. I just kind of like, for a second was like, no,
Anita (52m 4s):
Because
Anne (52m 4s):
I was like, that means too many listeners and I have to do a really good job editing now.
Ashley (52m 9s):
Dude, bring it on. I’m ready. I’m ready. I mean, we’ll see, like we, I think we both have this in common and we’re always like, okay, like we’ll see. We’ll just keep doing what we’re doing. We’re not sitting here like, well this is definitely gonna happen, but if it does, yay.
Anne (52m 24s):
Yes. Okay. So just a couple more little tidbits. I was wearing a, a bracelet that was part of the Dear Drew line that she did with Amazon years ago and Drew noticed it. Yes.
Ashley (52m 35s):
I was wondering about that.
Anne (52m 37s):
I, I mean we know that she’s involved in the things that she puts her name on, but I still have a like a thought that maybe they’re like, okay stuff like this. You know? Sure. Like that, that there might be something where it’s like, okay, we know you’re aesthetic now. We’ll just put your name on it. But I just felt like that gave it this like, oh she really did. Like she knows her lines even though it’s years defunct.
Ashley (52m 56s):
Yeah. I feel like she is like sort of a control freak with her lines. So that makes sense. Not in a good way. In a good way. In a good
Anne (53m 3s):
Way. Yes. But I was like, yes, it’s, and she’s like, oh, that’s so cool.
Ashley (53m 5s):
Well she remember when I went she knows that
Anne (53m 8s):
Drew
Ashley (53m 9s):
Necklace on. Yeah, I know.
Anne (53m 10s):
So cool. And then the last thing I was gonna say is that she mentioned that she wants to frame the TT towel we gave her. Oh my god.
Ashley (53m 18s):
I
Anne (53m 18s):
Think she said like she wants to like hang it in her kitchen or she said something like that. Yeah,
Ashley (53m 22s):
That’s what I was envisioning. Like imagine we’re gonna see it in the background. I will die. Oh my gosh. And I’d be so happy for the maker because it was really cool that she worked with us to get it there in time. Totally.
Anne (53m 33s):
Yes. The ending of it was sort of like a blur.
Ashley (53m 37s):
I’m sure there were people trying to like esher her away. Like let’s go. Yeah. We got stuff to do a whole other show to tape
Anne (53m 43s):
And then Yeah. And then we made our way out and we’re just buzzing and we called you right after. So you got our like
Ashley (53m 49s):
Pretty fresh. I know. I was like screaming and crying in my office afterward. My coworker’s like, are you okay? I was like, oh my God. I’ll try to explain what happened. You’re not really gonna get it. But
Anne (53m 59s):
They’re like, what? Wait, why? Why?
Anita (54m 1s):
Okay. Can I mention like a few details that I just remember from the experience?
Anne (54m 6s):
Yes, please do. Please. Anything I left out and anything that specifically impacted you, I wanna hear all of it.
Anita (54m 14s):
Okay. So these are just little things that I think I, like I noticed about her or things that happened. So one was like when she crossed her eyes.
Anne (54m 21s):
Yeah.
Anita (54m 21s):
Like during, I think it was during Drew’s news in that like very typical Drew way. Yes. And I was just like, ah. There it is. Yeah. There was another moment where she was talking about friendship or something and you
and I and we clutched hands. Yeah.
Anne (54m 34s):
And she
Anita (54m 35s):
Did look at us in that moment. Yeah.
Anne (54m 37s):
Sweet.
Anita (54m 38s):
I remember she kind of like looked over while we were doing that and that was a sweet moment. Yeah. When we went kind of like backstage, she was drinking her iced tea. Oh. With like a silicone straw and she kept biting on the straw.
Ashley (54m 51s):
Oh my gosh.
Anita (54m 52s):
And I, I thought it was really cute. I just kept noticing because I wasn’t talking. Yes. Like for the most part. You and she were talking and like kind of talking about the ze and the podcast and so I felt like an observer and I was taking in a lot of these little like moments and things that were happening. Oh my gosh. And I just remember her chewing on this straw
Ashley (55m 10s):
Dude Anita. You know, we love these tidbits of these. Yes. This is awesome.
Anne (55m 14s):
Yes.
Anita (55m 14s):
Her shoes were really cool.
Anne (55m 17s):
Yeah, they were, they
Anita (55m 19s):
Were like platform heels kind of. And they were like a navy blue or black, like red polka dots. At first I thought
they were hearts.
Ashley (55m 26s):
You know what’s so funny is that I’ve noticed them on the floor of the wardrobe room a lot. Her stylist Lee will like post a picture in, in the mirror every day. And one time I was like, I love those shoes on the ground. I already had my eyes on them.
Anita (55m 40s):
Yeah. They were really beautiful. And I also noticed that a lot of the times when she would approach us or talk to us or like make eye contact, I would kind of like briefly look around after. And I could definitely see that a lot of people in the audience were like, why them? Yeah.
Anne (55m 54s):
We were,
Ashley (55m 54s):
They we, we have felt that vibe many a time where we’re like, Carrie, sorry, not sorry. I guess
Anne (56m 1s):
I’m also thinking a little bit like why me? How did I get this experience? But in a
Anita (56m 5s):
Good way. Yeah, exactly.
Ashley (56m 7s):
Well we’ve worked really hard for these moments so I’ll just say that. Yes.
Anita (56m 12s):
Yeah, for
Ashley (56m 12s):
Sure. Luck.
Anne (56m 13s):
And I also just, I have to express like I still feel very lucky even though there has been this like path sort of laid in advance. Like I think something I wrote in my journal when I was writing about it is like I’m so, I feel so grateful to have like built these connections over the years. It’s not, not just like I just came in there, had a the right vibe and she walked up to it. It’s like it’s not, and it’s not about like the length of the fandom ’cause it’s like, you know, somebody in that audience could have been again like a fan from ET era and we’re just
like absolutely lucky as hell to have like built this and you know, like, and there. And I think the other thing that I love that you said Anita, when you kind of came out of the experience, you’re like, Drew’s just human.
Anita (56m 58s):
Exactly. I feel like obviously it was an amazing experience. I’m so grateful to have had it. But I think sometimes when we meet our idols, this a really amazing thing is to realize like they’re just a person. Totally. And for some people I think that that’s a letdown, but for me it made it even more special.
Ashley (57m 18s):
Yeah. I think that’s one of the things that we’re drawn to about her is that she has flaws. Exactly. And she’s very vulnerable and open about those things. So she’s more relatable that way.
Anita (57m 27s):
Exactly. Oh, and another cool moment that we didn’t mention Yes. Is the first time that she came over to hug us. She had the like sparkle or whatever on her nose. Oh. And we were both like, oh you, well you actually first said you’ve got something on your nose. And she was like, where? And kind of did that look where you’re like kind of trying to look down at your nose to like see what’s on it.
Ashley (57m 47s):
Oh my gosh.
Anita (57m 48s):
We both like pointed to where it was. Yeah. And then she like brushed it off and she was like, thank you. Amazing.
Ashley (57m 53s):
Oh
Anita (57m 53s):
My gosh, that was a great moment.
Anne (57m 57s):
It probably came off of like one of our clothes or something. I think it was right on the tip of her cute little nose.
Anita (58m 2s): How sweet
Ashley (58m 2s):
Did you get to sort of see her in producer mode? Because that was one of the things I thought was so cool when I went to a taping was like I’d never really seen her on a set and how she like works. And it was really cool to see her like sort of be like down to business and being the boss and stuff. Did you get to see that at all?
Anne (58m 20s):
I feel like, I feel like it’s a very well-oiled machine. Yes. And she’s got like a lot of staff doing like very specific jobs. Like I feel like it was a very professional set while also feeling very warm. Like there was a lot of lovely comradery amongst the the like crew. Didn’t you kind of feel that Anita like
Anita (58m 39s):
Absolutely. I feel like probably at the beginning when the chauffeur started, I think that that producer hat was probably on more until they kind of like, you know what I mean? They kind of worked out the kinks. Yeah.
And Now, they know how things flow and how Drew wants things.
Ashley (58m 54s):
Cool. That makes sense.
Anne (58m 56s):
Yeah. Yeah. And like you mentioned sort of the control freak thing around her brands. Like it might be like she found the people she trusts to get the job done. Yeah.
Anita (59m 5s):
For sure.
Anne (59m 5s):
But yeah, I didn’t really see that. But there is that thing of like, okay, just tell me where I need to be and I’m gonna be there. Like she’s there with bells on. We saw that like excitement.
Anita (59m 13s):
Yes. So, and like a couple other things that I’m just remembering right now Yes. Is that her photographer who was on set was taking photos while Anne and I were talking with her backstage.
Ashley (59m 24s):
Yes, that’s right. We’re hoping to get some copies of those, but hopefully by the time this airs.
Anita (59m 29s):
Yes. Yeah. That would be amazing. And then she also, during the Lisa Ling segment was, I mean you’ll hear this obviously and see this when you watch the show, the episode, but she was talking about how she went
on a date with like a veteran. Oh yeah. And he was talking about his experience with Shrooms and how great they were for his like post-traumatic stress disorder.
Ashley (59m 48s):
That’s interesting.
Anita (59m 50s):
And how they stay in touch and they do speak and like text back and forth from time to time. But they like did obviously it didn’t turn into a relationship.
Ashley (59m 59s):
Wow.
Anne (59m 59s):
Yeah. That was interesting. I, I forgot about that. But yeah, she, yeah, she did say she’s very interested in his experience. So that was, that was really cool.
Anita (1h 0m 7s):
Yes.
Anne (1h 0m 7s):
Okay. I’m sure that there’s gonna be like little memories that’ll pop up, but that was our experience of the Drew Barrymore show.
Ashley (1h 0m 14s):
Incredible. Yeah. I can’t even really be jealous ’cause I was just so excited and happy for you guys. Aw. And as it was happening, I guess I should mention this. Yeah. Like I knew, I knew you met the dogs and all that, but then once you guys went in, you know you can’t use your phones at all. Yes. Obviously I’m just for the listeners. Yeah.
Anne (1h 0m 31s):
We had to turn ’em off. So I was just
Ashley (1h 0m 33s):
Like radio silence, like, oh my God, what’s happening? What’s happening? And then I get a message from Tony Crago, a photo of you guys talking to Drew!
Anne (1h 0m 39s): That was so cool.
Anita (1h 0m 41s):
Yeah. I wish I looked less like,
Ashley (1h 0m 44s):
Well weird you were excited that it comes through, but I like, as soon as I saw it I was just like, oh my God. And just so happy for you guys. Yeah. Like it’s happening.
Anita (1h 0m 55s):
Yeah. I just love that there’s photographic evidence that I met her.
Anne (1h 0m 58s):
I know. Yeah. Like if we get nothing else, how cool that we got that.
Anita (1h 1m 2s):
Exactly. Absolutely.
Anne (1h 1m 3s):
The one thing I’ll say about the photo and we can probably share it in the episode page ’cause why not? Sure. There’s a something crazy happening with my hand in Drew’s hand. You just gotta see it.
Ashley (1h 1m 18s):
They’re inter meshing. Yeah.
Anne (1h 1m 19s):
We’re like about to hold hands, but I like have my hand open and hers is like trying to grab my palm. It’s very funny.
Anita (1h 1m 25s):
Yeah.
Anne (1h 1m 26s):
So yeah, there was our magic most recent for me encounter with Ms. Drew
Ashley (1h 1m 32s):
My first Congratulations you guys so cool.
Anita (1h 1m 35s):
My first and most likely only encounter,
Ashley (1h 1m 37s):
But you know. Well it’s a pretty good one.
Anne (1h 1m 39s):
I’d say. So. It
Ashley (1h 1m 41s):
Was amazing. You’re only gonna do one that was the right way. Yeah, absolutely.
Anne (1h 1m 44s):
Okay, so anything else for the end of the show, Ash?
Ashley (1h 1m 49s):
Someone’s ready for me to be done.
Anne (1h 1m 53s):
Okay. I wanna make sure we have a big thank you to Anita for joining us. Thank you so much.
Ashley (1h 1m 60s):
Yes, thank you Anita.
Anita (1h 2m 1s):
Oh, thank you so much for having me.
Anne (1h 2m 4s):
Yes. And thank you for coming to New York with me. Yeah. And then agreeing to of course, spend another hour of your time while L is fussing. No, of
Anita (1h 2m 12s):
Course.
Anne (1h 2m 13s):
I so appreciate it. And yeah, this is really exciting. I feel like it’s a nice, like potential step forward for the pod for this relationship to continue.
Ashley (1h 2m 22s):
Ooh, stay tuned on that one. Yes. We’ll be
Anne (1h 2m 25s):
Absolutely
Ashley (1h 2m 27s):
Yes. So thank you guys. If you do wanna do your own part to help grow the pod, you can subscribe, you can review us on Apple Podcasts, we’ll read it on the air. You can leave ratings on Apple and Spotify and you can follow us on Instagram at How Do You Drew pod and at Drewseum. And we’ll share some stuff for this episode. So you’re gonna wanna be looking
Anne (1h 2m 51s):
Yes. And also don’t forget to subscribe to our Patreon. Find us there at How Do You Drew. Visit our website at How Do You Drew dot com. Check out the episode page for this week for a couple tidbits and little insights into our experience at the Drew Barrymore Show. And send listener mail to How Do You Drew [email protected]. Tell us you know what you love about the show. Send us an email after you watch and let us know if you spot us.
Ashley (1h 3m 16s):
Yeah, I love that. It’s gonna air so soon. That’s so
Anne (1h 3m 19s):
Exciting. Yes. Once again, the episode will air on the 22nd of November and I’m guessing it’s up on the, up on YouTube like the next day.
Ashley (1h 3m 25s):
Sometimes same day. Oh,
Anne (1h 3m 27s):
Cool. And then I’m gonna do a little question to take us out. I, oh, what’s your favorite Thanksgiving side dish?
Ashley (1h 3m 33s):
It’s gotta be food. I’m a, I’m a stuffing girl.
Anne (1h 3m 38s):
Oh, okay. What about you Anita?
Anita (1h 3m 40s):
It’s most likely, I would have to say stuffings a close second, but mashed potatoes.
Ashley (1h 3m 45s):
Oh yeah, that would be my number two. Yeah.
Anita (1h 3m 48s):
I love the curb.
Anne (1h 3m 50s):
Yeah. I mean
Ashley (1h 3m 51s):
Carbs and starch. Yeah.
Anne (1h 3m 53s):
And I would like mash all those things together. But I’m just gonna say my favorite is canned cranberry sauce. No, not the bunny. But part of the reason why is ’cause I feel like I have, it cracks me up so much to pull it out of the can and slice it and then smash it with all the rest of my food.
Ashley (1h 4m 9s):
No. Yeah. I made fresh cranberry sauce yesterday. Yeah. And I promise if you had that you would’ve been like, no more can.
Anne (1h 4m 16s):
No, I’ve, I’ve had lots of different stuff.
Anita (1h 4m 19s):
I’m with you Anne. I like the cans, but
Anne (1h 4m 22s):
It’s, it’s just one of those, it’s so nostalgic and I, when I have cranberry sauce that is like textured, I’m like, this tastes good. But I almost want the weird hand stuff back. Alright, thank you again. Thank you everybody for tuning in and hearing all our excitement about this past week’s fun, fun stuff. And we’ll see you next Drewsday.
Ashley (1h 4m 40s): Thank you. Bye-Bye
Anita (1h 4m 42s): Bye.
Anne (1h 4m 43s):
This episode of the How Do You Drew podcast was researched and produced by Ashley and Anne from thedrewseum.com with help from our sponsor, Positive Medium.
Ashley (1h 5m 5s):
Special thanks to Matt Costa for our lovely theme song, Roxy Prima, for our adorable logo. And last but not least, Drew, Barrymore and all the Drewbies who love her, we do this for you. Thank you.
Anne (1h 5m 16s): Thank you.
Ashley (22s):
Hello and welcome to How Do You Drew.
Anne (26s):
This is A Drew Barrymore Podcast, brought to you by the Drewseum dot com
Ashley (30s):
And sponsored by our friends at Positive Medium.
Anne (33s):
I am Anne.
Ashley (34s):
And I’m Ashley. Before we get into anything, my daughter has a friend over and I was like, okay, I’m gonna go record. And she’s like, oh yeah, you have a podcast. What’s it about? And Milla goes, it’s just about this like famous girl she likes. I was like, wow.
Anne (52s):
But would her friend know who that is?
Ashley (54s):
I don’t know. I wasn’t in the room anymore and I was busy, so I didn’t care. I just thought it was interesting,
Anne (1m 1s):
This famous girl that she likes.
Ashley (1m 4s):
I mean, it’s true.
Anne (1m 5s):
I love how like nonchalant that is. Yeah. Your 14 year old.
Ashley (1m 11s):
Yeah, 14 now.
Anne (1m 13s):
Holy. Shit.
Ashley (1m 14s):
I know. Really crazy. When we started this podcast, she wasn’t even a teenager yet. That’s pretty weird.
Anne (1m 14s):
Whoa! That is weird.
Ashley (1m 24s):
Yeah, I know. All right, let’s get down to business. Okay. I wanna give a shout out to our two newest Patreon members. Woo. Julie and our wonderful friend Tess. Hi guys. And thank you.
Anne (1m 29s):
Thank you Julie and Tess. So happy to have you. We will have some fun things for you, I promise. And if you wanna become a patron, go to patreon.com/howdoyouDrew.
Ashley (1m 49s):
Yeah. Yeah. $1 a month. Guys, that’s nothing.
Anne (1m 52s):
It’s nothing. Gotta break down to how many cents that is per day. It’s like 3 cents. Okay, so what do you got for us?
Ashley (1m 60s):
Okay. I kind of put this under follow ups because we had our ranking of our, so we ranked Drew’s performances, like our favorites of Drew’s performances once. Anyway, Entertainment Weekly just came out with a ranking of her 17 best movies and TV shows. I’m not sure why 17. It’s like such an arbitrary number.
Anne (2m 20s):
It is.
Ashley (2m 21s):
And this wasn’t for performances, for what I could tell, it was just the movies or TV shows themselves. Yeah. So I shared it on our Drewseum Instagram @drewseum and it was pretty fun to see a lot of reactions and responses from people who were like, where’s this movie? Where’s this movie? Or this should have been higher. So it was kind of fun. We’ll definitely share it. I’m curious like what were your thoughts on this list?
Anne (2m 45s):
When I went over it I was like, this is too hard for me. Yeah. Like even just us doing what we did, like it was too hard, but I didn’t notice the glaring things that were missing. Okay. I did notice that like some of our favorites are towards the top. Like I wasn’t surprised that like Ever After, I mean, I kind of was a little bit surprised that Ever After is up there, even though we love it.
Ashley (3m 7s):
Yeah.
Anne (3m 8s):
I don’t know. I don’t know.
Ashley (3m 10s):
I was surprised as I was scrolling and I’m like, okay, obviously ET right? And I’m like, yeah, ET is number two. What the heck is number one? Like I could not think of what it was gonna be. Yeah. And then it was Grey Gardens and I was like, oh, okay. But like funny how I just totally forgot about that. It didn’t even cross my mind.
Anne (3m 29s):
Yeah. Yeah. Because I don’t, isn’t there something weird about like how, and maybe it’s about like when things came out. Yeah,
Ashley (3m 36s):
I think that’s part of it.
Anne (3m 37s):
It’s almost like what we think as like our favorite things also have like it have to do with our formative nature of our fandom. Right? Yeah. And Grey Gardens being on there, it’s like, we’re like, yeah, of course. But we already knew she was great by then. You know? It’s
Ashley (3m 49s):
Like, yeah, I was, I was surprised to see Firestarter and Irreconcilable Differences, even though they were the like bottom two. I was sort of like, I feel like Mad Love or Boys on the Side is both of those are better than those films.
Anne (4m 4s):
It’s interesting for within 17 movies to not have Mad Love, at least make an appearance. It’s surprising. Yeah. And you made a good point that Music and Lyrics seems way too high.
Ashley (4m 18s):
Yeah,
Anne (4m 19s):
I agreed That’s, that’s not a favorite of ours
Ashley (4m 22s):
And I don’t think it’s a better movie than Whip It or Confessions of a Dangerous Mind, like objectively. I just don’t think anybody would agree with that personally. I
Anne (4m 30s):
Guess I didn’t look at like the research whose ranking was this, you know? Yeah.
Ashley (4m 34s):
I think it was just one journalist.
Anne (4m 36s):
Okay.
Ashley (4m 37s):
Anyway,
Anne (4m 38s):
It’s fun to think about and I’m glad that we had some fun in our social media with it, so that’s great. Yeah,
Ashley (4m 43s):
We sure did. Thanks everybody for contributing and chiming in. That was, I was like, whoa, we got so much more of a response than I expected. It’s fun to see all those opinions.
Anne (4m 52s):
Yes. All right. What else you got?
Ashley (4m 54s):
This is sort of a follow up as well about Drew’s arm tattoo with the sardines, but on The Drew Barrymore Show, on Drew’s News, they were doing a story about people who name their homes. And Ross I guess has like a fancy one for his house. And so Drew realized that she had something that she could call her home and I thought we could play the audio.
Drew (5m 17s):
Welcome to Chez Sardine. It’s the hottest club in town. It’s so exclusive. It only has three members. Oh, it is open tonight. This is what you do to the girls. Yeah. This is my routine with the girls. Oh, cute. She sardine.
Anne (5m 35s): Chez Sardine
Ashley (5m 36s):
Chez Sardine. And of course this ties back to Drew’s tattoo because she got the three sardines on her arm in honor of her and her daughters being snuggled up in bit together. Super
Anne (5m 47s):
Cute. Yeah, super cute. I love it. It’s so Drew in the perfect way. Yep.
Ashley (5m 53s):
This is super random and it doesn’t really fall under any category, but I wanted to bring it up.
Anne (5m 58s):
Okay.
Ashley (5m 59s):
So you know, obviously that The Adventures of Con Sawyer and HuckleMary Finn, this TV movie that Drew did in 1985 is like the most obscure thing she’s ever done, right? Yeah. Like no one’s seen it. You can’t find it anywhere. It’s just one of those weird sort of lost in time things. It was never released on video. Yeah. So anyway, frequent writing in person Christian a while ago, he found half of it on I think the internet archive.
Anne (6m 30s):
Oh.
Ashley (6m 30s):
So it had apparently like reran in 93 or 94 and somebody had taped it then, which I love because it has all the commercials and it, I remember a lot of them.
Anne (6m 41s):
Oh my God, that’s cool.
Ashley (6m 44s):
But yeah, so it’s just the first half and it’s literally half an hour. So I guess the entire thing is only an hour with commercials, so it’s really short.
Anne (6m 54s):
Okay.
Ashley (6m 55s):
So I kind of had forgotten about it. He had sent it to us and I saved it in our drive. And then somebody out of the blue left us a comment on one of our episode pages asking about it and saying like they’d never, they
could never find it. Oh. And so anyway, it took me down this rabbit hole and I was like, oh my God, I have to watch this thing. It’s not great quality, but it’s there. It’s viewable and Wow. Is it bad?
Anne (7m 20s):
Oh my god.
Ashley (7m 21s):
It’s bad.
Anne (7m 22s):
Do you have like one printed photo from it or something?
Ashley (7m 22s):
I have a couple. I have quite a few press photos. Yeah. Okay. The press photos are out there.
Anne (7m 30s):
Yeah. But that’s so cool.
Ashley (7m 33s):
You need to watch it. It’s like painful. It’s like a lot of the stuff from the eighties where I’m just like, why? What was wrong with people? It’s just rough. I don’t know. I kind wanted you to watch it and then we’ll talk about it at another episode. Let’s do that.
Anne (7m 43s):
Sounds good. Is it possible that for us to link on the episode page?
Ashley (7m 51s):
Yeah, we could. The first half hour of this video is like Winnie the Pooh. So you have to go, you have to scroll halfway through.
Anne (7m 59s):
Oh, okay.
Ashley (7m 60s):
A little heads up.
Anne (8m 2s):
Okay. So since the show’s back, we’ve got to hear all about the things that Drew has passion for. Can you tell me what Drew loved this past week?
Drew (8m 13s):
I love, love.
Ashley (8m 15s):
Okay. This week Drew loves a periodical.
Anne (8m 15s):
Oh yeah.
Ashley (8m 20s):
Martha Stewart. Old News, we know that. Comedy obviously. Being with her friends again, obviously. The two girls club. And I’m a member of that too. Being a mom of two girls, so high five Drew.
Anne (8m 35s):
That’s right.
Ashley (8m 37s):
Cher, exactly as she is.
Anne (8m 41s):
That’s so great.
Ashley (8m 42s):
And I told you when I was watching them talk about Cher, Drew was trying to do an impression of her and saying she couldn’t do it. Yes. And I was dying because she impersonates her at the beginning of SNL in 1999.
Anne (8m 53s):
Yes. It’s my own design.
Ashley (8m 57s):
Thank you. I was hoping you would do that. And then lastly, we got some food things. Drew loves butter, cherry and peach.
Anne (9m 6s): Oh, me too.
Ashley (9m 7s):
Oh yeah. Good combos.
Anne (9m 8s):
All those together.
Ashley (9m 9s):
Ooh, why not
Anne (9m 11s):
Melted into like a crumble
Ashley (9m 13s):
A pie. Yes, A crumble. Oh,
Anne (9m 16s):
We always come back to food.
Ashley (9m 18s):
Always.
Anne (9m 20s):
You know, you might’ve heard us complain a little bit about how many recipes there were in Drew magazine, but I think we actually secretly are completely on board for that.
Ashley (9m 29s):
Good point. Good point.
Anne (9m 30s):
All right. So what did you pull for this week in Drew history?
Ashley (9m 34s):
All right, let’s go to November 18th. Hey, that’s Joalena’s birthday, in the year 2000.
Anne (9m 43s):
Alright.
Ashley (9m 44s):
So this is funny because this kind of came up recently because we had that Pauly Shore doing like a weird fake proposal to Drew on her show.
Anne (9m 52s):
Yes.
Ashley (9m 53s):
So I got flashbacks to this one. So when I saw that this is like this week, I’m like, we gotta talk about it. So let’s talk about Tom Green hosting Saturday Night Live and Drew of course being in attendance
Anne (10m 8s):
And
Ashley (10m 8s):
He pulled her on stage and said that they were gonna get married at the end of the show live right there. Do you remember watching this?
Anne (10m 17s):
Old prankster. Oh my God. Very well. Yeah. I also am still a little bit confused if it was like actually supposed to happen because they have like, they show her in a dress, they show her friends there, her actual friends.
Ashley (10m 32s):
Yeah. So we had Nancy Juvonen and Jillian Fink. Jillian Dempsey now. Yeah. They were there with Drew in the audience and then they’re backstage with Molly Shannon all in bridesmaid’s dresses and that whatever that gown is that Drew’s wearing. Oh my God, sorry. But it’s ugly.
Anne (10m 52s):
It’s old fashioned. I think it’s kind of cute. But what I remember is that on, I guess The Grapevine. Yeah. It had to be The Grapevine. Yeah. We like, people were like, I don’t understand, was it a joke?
Ashley (11m 5s):
Like I think we were chiming in like live while people were watching it. Like I remember being like, oh my gosh, they just showed her backstage like is this really happening? Like what’s going on? My takeaway these days is it was never gonna be real, but they really played it up like throughout the show, making it seem like it was gonna happen. And then so anybody who doesn’t isn’t familiar at the very end, Tom’s alone on stage, Drew never comes. And it just credits roll while he’s go like yelling her name.
Anne (11m 35s):
I bet it was probably just like Tom’s idea. They thought it was hilarious. Oh yeah, for sure. When did they actually get married?
Ashley (11m 42s):
So it would’ve been like eight months later.
Anne (11m 44s):
Okay. But yes, I remember that classic, classic. I love how 2000 her outfit is by the way.
Ashley (11m 52s):
Oh, I totally had a top that I’m like, oh, I must’ve been inspired by this. Like
Anne (11m 56s):
Yeah, not the ugly dress
Ashley (11m 57s):
So similar. No, not the ugly dress, the striped top. Yeah.
Anne (12m 0s):
But it’s like striped top low like. Yeah. Low rise pants.
Ashley (12m 5s):
Actually I’m almost like, are those the same black pants she wore to the Titan AE premiere a few months before where her
Anne (12m 11s):
Probably
Ashley (12m 12s):
Thong straps were showing And she’s got that like super skinny belt. It’s like a chain. Yeah.
Anne (12m 18s):
It’s not really a functional belt. Oh.
Ashley (12m 20s):
But she looks so pretty and
Anne (12m 21s):
She does look really pretty
Ashley (12m 23s):
Crazy how young she is. Just a little baby.
Anne (12m 26s):
She’s got her dark brown hair. Anyway, that was hilarious. That was a good pull. And yeah, it’s funny that it just came up. What’s new with Drew this week?
Ashley (12m 35s):
I didn’t get a chance to do a lot of watching on the show. I’m a little behind this week, so sorry, we’ll catch up next week. But I thought this was cool. So Tallulah Willis, who is Bruce Willis and Demi Moore’s daughter.
She came on the show, I guess it was her first interview ever. Oh. And they had a really great conversation talking about rehab and like having your story about that broken without your consent. I guess a nurse when Tallulah was in rehab, broke the story.
Anne (13m 7s):
Oh
Ashley (13m 7s):
Yeah. They also both talked about how like sharing it afterward to help others and then sort of like how they both know that they have a privileged life but that doesn’t, like, does that mean you can’t complain and like dealing with that. Wow. Yeah, it was really cool. Definitely worth watching. She was a like a lovely person. I, I was really impressed by her. And then I thought this was just kind of a fun random Drew shared a term called Barr-anoia and I guess her dad coined about Barrymore slash paranoia. So like I think there’s a guy up in the tree watching me that That’s crazy. It can’t be, oh no.
Ashley (13m 47s):
There actually is like a paparazzi guy in the tree. That was Drew’s example.
Anne (13m 52s):
Barr-aranoia.
Ashley (13m 54s):
I know. I’ve never heard her say that. So I just was like neither. We have to mention that.
Anne (13m 58s):
I love that her dad coined that I, I feel like every time, but every time we hear some little tidbit of something her dad said like he clearly was just like spouting just hilarious, crazy stuff all the time.
Ashley (14m 10s):
Yeah, he definitely had a way with words.
Anne (14m 13s):
Yeah, totally
Ashley (14m 14s):
Kick that bag man. Yeah.
Anne (14m 18s):
Alright, what else do you got for this week?
Ashley (14m 20s):
And then just the other night, Drew appeared at a 10 year anniversary for Garnier’s Micellar makeup remover that they have that she’s been praising for years and years and years. Way before she was officially like associated with them. Yeah. It looked like maybe they did some kind of a panel. It looked like they were filming like a bunch of segments. I don’t think it was for her show, but it was at the CBS Broadcast Center.
It’s a little confusing. I’m not sure what it was. Okay. She also did the makeup removal of a drag queen called Blue Hydrangea. So it just looked really fun. She looked beautiful and hopefully we know more soon, hopefully we get to see like footage of this. Yeah.
Anne (14m 59s):
And she did look really cute.
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Anne (16m 25s):
Every we ready to get into this weekly topic?
Ashley (16m 27s):
Yeah, let’s do it Magazine time. We haven’t done this in a while ’cause we also love a periodical or two. Yes.
Anne (16m 33s):
Yes we do. Or two or many, many more. Okay. So we are going to do two magazines today. Woohoo.
Ashley (16m 41s):
First time ever.
Anne (16m 43s):
Yes. We’re going to do two magazines that are from both from 2005, both from United Kingdom, both large format, both have different photographer duos or the same one?
Ashley (16m 55s):
Different photographer duos. Both were taken by duos of photographers, random. This is so cool. Yeah.
Anne (17m 1s):
Both are like, is it all full pages in each issue? So cool. When we, when we say full pages, we mean the photograph takes up the whole page, which is like, and
Ashley (17m 11s):
This is big. These are big magazines. Yes.
Anne (17m 14s):
And they both have really unique and rad makeup looks done by Gucci Westman.
Ashley (17m 20s):
Aha. So Gucci is a longtime friend of Drew’s. They’ve worked together a lot and we were lucky enough to get
a couple quotes from her to include in this episode that she provided to us exclusively. So cool.
Anne (17m 34s):
Yay. So cool. Gucci told us, “every time I worked with Drew, she was always game to go for it. It was always so fun to work with her. ”
Ashley (17m 44s):
Yeah. Sounds
Anne (17m 44s):
Just like what a lot of people say about her.
Ashley (17m 46s):
That’s so true.
Anne (17m 48s):
I love that. And we also wanted to make sure we plugged Gucci’s Beauty line, Westman Atelier and make sure you check her out on Instagram @GucciWestman. That’s how we got ahold of her. So thank you.
Ashley (17m 60s):
Thank you. And we’ll have a couple more quotes from her as we go along. More specific to each shoot.
Anne (18m 5s):
Yes, we will. So cool.
Ashley (18m 7s):
Yeah. So let’s start with AnOther Magazine, which is the spring summer 2005 issue. The interview was done by Alex Brown and the photography is by the duo Inez Van Lamsweerde
Anne (18m 22s):
And Vinoodh Matadin. They’re both very unique names.
Ashley (18m 26s):
Yeah. Sorry. I’m sure we butchered them.
Anne (18m 29s):
I had to just step in here and help you out a little bit.
Ashley (18m 32s):
I think sometimes they just go by Inez and Vinoodh.
Anne (18m 36s):
The Hair was done by Kevin Ryan who also worked with Drew on the Vs magazine from 2009 with Ellen Von Unwerth for the Whip It kind of themed shoot.
Ashley (18m 46s):
Which is one of my faves. Yes.
Anne (18m 50s):
The makeup Gucci Westman, as mentioned. Styling was done by Alistair Mackey. Ooh. And I love the little tidbit you pulled here. So the nails were done by Deborah Lippman, who also worked with Drew on Mirabella in 1995.
Ashley (19m 3s):
Yeah. And I think something else that we don’t have at our records, because I noticed I was following her on Instagram already under our account. Oh weird. And so maybe something more recent that she did with her. So that’s really fun.
Anne (19m 15s):
I like how she’s Lippman, but she does nails.
Ashley (19m 20s):
Should be nail woman. Good one. Okay. So Gucci’s exclusive quote to us about this shoot was, “I was inspired by the Charlie’s Angels era with the metallic eye. A lot of blush, top lip, gloss, color, more polished, done and lush.” Love that.
Anne (19m 40s):
Absolutely.
Ashley (19m 41s):
And it really does have that kind of like metallic, glossy vibe to it. The makeup in a lot of these shots.
Anne (19m 47s):
Yeah, it does. Do we wanna get into them a little bit and kind of try to describe these beautiful, beautiful pictures?
Ashley (19m 54s):
Yeah. So both of these have quite a bit. I don’t know that we could sit here and go beat by beat on every
single one of them.
Anne (20m 2s):
Yeah. I guess let’s describe the cover a little bit. So that description, that kind of like metallic eye blush, you know, taupe lips, lip gloss, that’s like, I feel like she’s pretty much describing the cover there.
Ashley (20m 16s):
Yeah. And maybe like the last photo too.
Anne (20m 18s):
Yep. And then there is, okay. My favorite one, even though there are those other ones,
Ashley (20m 22s):
I know what it is.
Anne (20m 25s):
There’s one photo of the back of Drew’s head.
Ashley (20m 28s):
Yeah. Why is it so beautiful and special? That picture? I love it too.
Anne (20m 32s):
I don’t know. And I think I’ve told you that I have a friend who’s an artist, Michelle Blade and she at one point had a painting that she did of this picture in an exhibit.
Ashley (20m 45s):
Oh yeah.
Anne (20m 45s):
And I’ve since asked her like, do you still have that? Like I would would totally love to have it. And she can’t find it.
Ashley (20m 50s):
Oh no.
Anne (20m 50s):
But it was so neat to be like, oh I know that picture. And she was just like, oh yeah, I just loved it. I just pulled it out of a magazine and painted it. I was like, that’s so cool.
Ashley (20m 57s):
That’s such a cool coincidence.
Anne (20m 59s):
Yeah, I know. And those three in the white dress, there’s something so cool about them.
Ashley (21m 3s):
I know. It’s like very vintage-y looking like old vintagey.
Anne (21m 8s):
Yeah. Like almost like turn of the century. Yes. In a weird way. Or like Victorian.
Ashley (21m 13s):
Yep. Yep. And like love that. She’s just like screaming at the sky. Amazing.
Anne (21m 18s):
Yeah, they’re so good. The pictures in this have like a different feeling from picture to picture in a really cool way.
Ashley (21m 23s):
Yeah, I would agree with that. We have finally gotten our scans of fees up on our websites somehow. We lost all of our 2005 magazine files.
Anne (21m 33s):
Ugh.
Ashley (21m 33s):
Just that year. Don’t know why. Don’t know where they went. I’m talking about our digital versions.
Anne (21m 38s):
Yep.
Ashley (21m 38s):
And these are like we said, very oversized and difficult to scan. But yes, we finally got around to it. So you can go on either the episode page or on thedrewseum.com/2005mags and see all of these beautiful photos.
Anne (21m 54s):
Yes. And I would highly recommend it. They’re gorgeous.
Ashley (21m 58s):
Yes. So interestingly enough, the cover image and then one of the inside photos were used in a Lancome campaign that was actually tied in with Gucci, that Drew starred in. And this was in the second set of ads that were released in fall 2005. So they recycled those photos.
Anne (22m 16s):
Yes they did. And I, I’m sure I remembered that at the time. But looking at the again, they’ve changed them up just enough. Yeah. That they’re unrecognizable.
Ashley (22m 25s):
Like you wouldn’t know unless you knew.
Anne (22m 28s):
Yeah. I never, I don’t think I’ve seen these beautiful outtakes.
Ashley (22m 31s):
Oh my gosh. They’re stunning.
Anne (22m 34s):
They’re so stunning. Are they like any of the other ones that were printed maybe like that one that’s her face closeup across two pages.
Ashley (22m 42s):
Yeah. The very last picture. She’s in the same striped top.
Anne (22m 46s):
Okay, got it. Those are the only outtakes we have?
Ashley (22m 50s):
Yep. Sadly only two. But again, we will share those on the episode page. They’re gorgeous. You have to check ’em out.
Anne (22m 56s):
Yes they are.
Ashley (22m 57s):
She looks a lot blonder in those than the other ones.
Anne (23m 0s):
Yeah, she does weirdly. Huh. I’m gonna jump in and summarize the article for us a little bit.
Ashley (23m 7s):
Let’s do
Anne (23m 7s):
It. So even though it was a bit short, it’s pretty cool. So in the article by Alex Brown, it first mentions her age, which I realize like I feel like so many magazines like start by talking about her age.
Ashley (23m 21s):
Yeah.
Anne (23m 21s):
It’s kind of a weird thing
Ashley (23m 22s):
Probably ’cause her age is always sort of off. Like it always feels confusing. Like she either feels too old or too young for that age.
Anne (23m 29s):
That’s a good point. Yeah. Usually they’re saying like, here are the achievements, can you believe it?
Ashley (23m 34s):
Yes.
Anne (23m 34s):
So she was 30 years old at the time, which oddly enough in retrospect, like it feels young. Of course.
Ashley (23m 40s):
Very
Anne (23m 40s):
At the time the Confederacy of Dunces was still in the works.
Ashley (23m 44s):
Yeah. I thought that was fun. I, I forgot about that. Wasn’t Will Ferrell gonna be in that with her?
Anne (23m 50s):
I don’t really remember many details about it.
Ashley (23m 53s):
That’s what I remember.
Anne (23m 53s):
I just remember it was floating around forever. And then it goes on for a while about quantum physics, which I found kind of funny. Drew says she has her pom-poms on right now about quantum physics.
Ashley (24m 5s):
That’s a good Drewism.
Anne (24m 6s):
Yeah, I know. It’s cute. She says her boyfriend who they don’t name. But at the time it was Fab and his father are well-versed in quantum physics, which got her interested in it. She saw the movie What the Bleep Do We Know and loved it. And I liked this quote she said about it, there was a lot of like kind of fun conversation around this. But she said there’s something very empowering about the idea that you are the conductor of your own destiny.
Ashley (24m 31s):
Oh, that’s so true. Huh.
Anne (24m 32s):
Yeah. And I also was like, yes, I feel like that’s like a theme of my life right now. Oh
Ashley (24m 37s):
That’s awesome. Can I just jump in? Yeah. Are you familiar with that crazy sex cult Nxivm that had like a bunch of people?
Anne (24m 44s):
A little bit. Okay. What what about it?
Ashley (24m 47s):
The director of what the Bleep Do We Know was really involved with it and one of the ones who like turned and got a bunch of people out and like took it down.
Anne (24m 57s): Whoa.
Ashley (24m 58s):
There’s a really interesting documentary on HBO called The Vow about it. And that’s why I know.
Anne (25m 4s):
Oh, interesting.
Ashley (25m 6s):
Anyway,I just had to mention that.
Anne (25m 7s):
Just a little side note. In the article they also talk about Best Place to Start though they don’t name it. They just say when you were working on your documentary and if you don’t know it’s her documentary when she’s kind of like learning about politics and voting. ’cause she’d always felt like she felt stupid whenever that conversation came up. This is kind of an interesting thing ’cause she’s like, she wanted to talk about politics in a way that people could understand since she was also learning. So she kind of wanted to be honest about that. She, she was kind of comparing how she did that to like What the Bleep Do We Know what they did for quantum physics she wanted to do for voting, which I thought was cool.
Ashley (25m 44s):
That’s cool.
Anne (25m 44s):
And then she said, I understand politics much more now even if it feels like knives in my organs. Which I felt like was a Drewism.
Ashley (25m 52s):
That’s a really good Drewism. Yeah, that’s a really good one. Yep. And
Anne (25m 57s):
Then she talks about how she had a hard time being taken seriously when they were making it. Yeah. The writer talks about that Angel get off the bus article.
Ashley (26m 5s):
Yeah, that’s exactly what I was thinking of. Yep.
Anne (26m 6s):
Which they show in the documentary I believe.
Ashley (26m 9s): Yeah.
Anne (26m 10s):
And then she says she used the criticism as a strength, which I also was like that’s so Drew.
Ashley (26m 15s):
Of course she did. Yeah. Yeah.
Anne (26m 17s):
Then they talk about Flower Films briefly and she said we didn’t know shit about producing but that she and Nan were dedicated to learning and instead of partying out in Hollywood, they were like putting their head in the books, which I thought was cool. She’s said she’s reading Dostoevsky’s The Idiot, which I’ve never read, but she kind of says that she relates to some of the book, which I was like, I don’t, I don’t know it enough.
Ashley (26m 39s):
Yeah, we’ll have to look up the plot just for funsies.
Anne (26m 42s):
Yeah. In this part she’s talking about being an animist, which I had just watched some old Rosie and she also had talked about being an animist.
Ashley (26m 49s):
I was gonna say the only time I’ve really ever heard that term was in like yes, 98, 99. I think it was even a question in that newsletter that we were both part of that like a trivia question.
Anne (27m 2s):
How funny. But she says because she’s an animist, she kind of describes this is how she, like how it manifests in her life. She said, I’m the girl who thinks the elevator is waiting for me. I feel guilty when I eat a carrot or when I pick a flower. I have that weird silly sort of brain that just thinks about all that shit and appreciates the beauty of the supermarket aisle. I love trying to find the beauty and reason and give credit to everything around me.
Ashley (27m 28s): So lovely.
Anne (27m 29s): It’s so beautiful.
Ashley (27m 31s): Yeah.
Anne (27m 31s):
So Alexi asks Drew, have you always been this optimistic? And she said always, it’s the only way I know how to survive and it doesn’t mean that I don’t succumb to self-loathing get morbid or cynical or bad tempered. There are moments but they’re fleeting. They are like buttons on a gigantic jacket. The jacket is optimistic. Anyone who says they’re happy all the time, it’s just fucking horseshit. But anyone who says they’re dark all the time, it’s like, come on, you tell me you never feel joy or the ping of love in your stomach. Don’t pull that dark prince shit with me. We are such multilayered creatures. We are thinking, feeling creatures and there’s no denying the complexities of it.
Ashley (28m 11s):
She still says the Dark Prince thing all the time. I love that. That’s such a constant.
Anne (28m 20s):
So then this last part, Alexi asks if being nice is Drew’s secret weapon. And she said she tries not to worry too much about what other people think but explains I’m not easy on myself. I fucking beat the living shit out of myself.
Ashley (28m 34s):
Oh really, Drew? No,
Anne (28m 35s):
I don’t think anyone could actually criticize me as much as I do myself. It’s never good enough. There’s always something more I could do something better, smarter, more hardworking, more disciplined. Can you imagine like being Drew and feeling that way?
Ashley (28m 48s):
I know.
Anne (28m 49s):
Anyway, so she said I do that enough to myself, but that also doesn’t mean that I don’t care about other people and how much I want to please. I’m a total people pleaser. I’m, it’s not so much about the approval I seek, but the act of doing. I love fucking people pleasing. I live for it. This whole thing. I’m just like, yep, I understand this. Like,
Ashley (29m 8s):
Yeah, I was gonna say this reminds me of you a little bit.
Anne (29m 12s):
Yeah. But there we go. That’s basically the end of that little article. But it had a lot of fun little gems in there.
Ashley (29m 19s):
Yeah.
Anne (29m 19s):
So I didn’t get to read this part, but can you tell me about the short stories that were mentioned here?
Ashley (29m 24s):
Yeah, It’s kind of weird. So in addition to this article, they had two fictional short stories written about Drew. The first one is by Nick Hornby who wrote the novel Fever Pitch that the movies were based on. Yep. But it tells the story of a fictional adult Drew who didn’t get the part in E.T. And she’s like this like sad, like kind of broken down angry woman. Interesting. Yeah. Then the other one is by a Jonathan Letham. Not familiar with him, but he tells a bunch of really short stories and each one involves Drew and various other known people and each one involves Drew and chocolate in some form.
Anne (30m 7s):
Weird.
Ashley (30m 7s):
So yeah, I don’t think I bothered transcribing them because it just doesn’t really quite feel necessary. But we had to mention that they’re there.
Anne (30m 16s):
Yeah, that’s kind of fun.
Ashley (30m 28s):
So then we have our second magazine, which is Pop and this one is fall and winter 2005. So I love that these like encompass the seasons as well. Such a funny coincidence
Anne (30m 38s):
.Yeah. The whole year because yeah, spring, summer, fall, winter. I love it. I too, it’s like were they in cahoots? Like come on.
Ashley (30m 46s):
It seems like it in a way, doesn’t it? Yeah. So the interview and the fashion direction were done by Katie Grand and our photography duo for this one are Mert Alas and Marcus Pickett, also known as Mert and Marcus, who also did the wonderful Missoni shoot from 2006.
Anne (31m 5s):
Ooh. Very cool. Hair was done by Guido and the makeup was by once again Gucci Westman about this makeup. She said, “I wanted her to look like Elvis because her hair was so dark and it was in black and white. She had a very similar facial structure to Elvis. So I was feeling that.”
Ashley (31m 25s):
So cool.
Anne (31m 25s):
I know. And you know what I love about us going over this right now is there’s that Sofia Coppola Priscilla movie right now.
Ashley (31m 32s):
I know, Elvis is very in the ether.
Anne (31m 34s):
Yeah, that’s kind of cool. But again, thank you Gucci for giving us that little quote.
Ashley (31m 38s):
I know. And I honestly, I don’t know that I ever would’ve thought of that on my own, but once she said it, there are definitely some photos here that I see exactly what she’s talking about.
Anne (31m 48s):
Yes. And let’s get into the photos a little bit.
Ashley (31m 51s):
Oh my god, there’s a lot.
Anne (31m 53s):
Oh my God is right.
Ashley (31m 55s):
So we have 11, if you include the cover, all full page, like we said, they’re all in black and white. As Gucci said, a lot of ’em have like sort of a wet look, wet hair, dark heavy makeup. We have some wigs and lingerie going on, cigarettes. Mickey Mouse ears.
Anne (32m 14s): Yeah.
Ashley (32m 14s):
What else am I missing?
Anne (32m 16s):
Yeah, I know it’s a, there’s a lot going on. Two of them have this like sort of androgynous thing going on, which refers back in my mind to that. Is it 1991 interview?
Ashley (32m 28s):
Oh. Yeah.
Anne (32m 28s):
That has like that sort of androgynous shot of young Drew. But yeah, these are rad. They’re all rad in their own way. The ones in the like kind of bouffant sort of type wig that kind of feels like, what’s the Ellen Von Unwerth with the blonde wig?
Ashley (32m 46s):
Oh, German Vogue.
Anne (32m 48s):
German Vogue. Yeah. So it’s kind of like a similar wig to that except it’s darker, but yeah. And the cover is fantastic. That’s where the eye makeup is the darkest, is that cover?
Ashley (32m 59s):
Yeah.
Anne (32m 59s):
Oh it’s so good.
Ashley (33m 1s):
Beautiful.
Anne (33m 2s):
That glossiness. She almost looks like she’s like a bronze statue or something.
Ashley (33m 5s): Ooh, Yeah.
Anne (33m 6s): On the cover.
Ashley (33m 6s):
I totally see that. Oh, okay. Again, go check these photos out you guys. So some of the outtakes were printed in Visionaire. Their number 52 issue in 2007. It’s kind of hard to explain what Visionaire is. It’s an experimental agency that’s been collaborating with artists, influencers and Fortune 500 companies for over 25 years. And they produce these like public art installations film every year. They have an issue, quote unquote. My husband side note has collected some of them over the years.
Anne (33m 40s):
Oh cool.
Ashley (33m 40s):
He has a handful of them. And that’s where I have that 2009 selfie of Drew where she took it in the mirror has Oh yes, that John Baldessari like added his art to.
Anne (33m 50s):
Yes.
Ashley (33m 51s):
That’s from a Visionaire. So unfortunately he doesn’t have this one.
Anne (33m 56s):
Sadly.
Ashley (33m 57s):
I think this one was really expensive ’cause it’s like gold plated Louis Vuitton for the case.
Anne (34m 1s):
Oh my God.
Ashley (34m 2s):
I know. But it has two, at least two really beautiful outtakes from this. I mean beyond stunning.
Anne (34m 10s):
Oh My God. We need it. We need it for the Drewseum. Whoever has it out there, send it on over.
Ashley (34m 17s):
You know, it’s either this or the little heart necklace. We’ll probably have to spend about the same money on both.
Anne (34m 23s):
I think I’d rather have the book
Ashley (34m 27s):
And we’ve been lucky enough, there are a couple other outtakes. I don’t know where these came from, but she’s got like a leather mask in some of these, little bondage-y looking.
Anne (34m 37s):
Yeah. These are so gorgeous. I should check out other work by these photographers.
Ashley (34m 41s):
Yeah.
Anne (34m 41s):
They have such a cool vibe to them. I just realized one other one reminds me of one more shoot. Sorry I have to go back. Okay. Blonde curly hair reminds me of the Kevin Aucion makeup.
Ashley (34m 54s):
Oh, for making faces? Yeah.
Anne (34m 57s):
Like the angle even. But of course Drew has like a black wig in that. Or maybe it’s her actual hair.
Ashley (35m 2s):
Yeah. I don’t know.
Anne (35m 3s):
I almost feel like I need to make three side by sides.
Ashley (35m 6s):
You do that.
Anne (35m 9s):
Okay. Here’s what Anne couldn’t stop blabbering about when the image was only in her head if only she knew. Okay. So now let’s get into the article. So give us your little summary of the article from Pop.
Ashley (35m 23s):
Okay. So again, in another similarity, this is also a very short article, that’s part of the reason why we decided
to put these together. But it’s a good one and I’m gonna just summarize it on the fly. So stay with me if I sound like I’m not prepared. Like we said, the article’s done by Katie Graham. So Katie says, Hey Drew, what’s going on? Like what are you doing in LA? And Drew said that’s the first week she’d had off in quite a few years. So she was just doing things that she’d been like wanting to do, like cleaning out her closet.
Anne (35m 54s):
And I was like, oh, I wish I could have been the fly on the wall for cleaning out the closet.
Ashley (35m 59s):
Oh, I wish I could have been the like trash man standing there. Like we’ll take whatever you don’t want. But yeah, she says that she’s like a workaholic as we know. And that she had made a promise to herself to take time off. She just finished Lucky You. And she was really tired and it was very challenging because of having to sing, which is a big fear of hers. And she does say on one job I was supposed to sing and they told me I was the worst singer they’d ever heard. Which of course must be
Anne (36m 28s):
Everyone Says I love You.
Ashley (36m 29s):
Must be. Yeah.
Anne (36m 31s):
So
Ashley (36m 31s):
She’s like, I had to face with my fears and she trained for five months on weekends and after work to get this going
Anne (36m 38s):
For some reason that description, five months on weekends and after work, I just imagine like somebody who’s got like a full-time job and they’re like, all right, I’m doing my extra training like on the weekends and after my full-time job,
Ashley (36m 49s):
Kind of how we do this podcast.
Anne (36m 53s):
True. We’ve been training for a year and and some change on weekends and after work
Ashley (36m 59s):
Or during work sometimes. Oops.
Anne (37m 1s):
Yeah.
Ashley (37m 2s):
Okay. So this magazine actually does reference her boyfriend by name Fabrizio Moretti and they ask, you know, because he’s a drummer of The Strokes, did he play drums along with her while she was singing?
Anne (37m 12s):
Yeah.
Ashley (37m 12s):
And she said, you know, he helped me a lot. He helped me figure out what notes I could sing for each word so that I could approach each session with my voice coach with a new intelligence. So that was cool.
Anne (37m 21s):
Yeah, I like that
Ashley (37m 23s):
The author asked if she sang along to Strokes songs. She said no, that she just stuck to country music. ’cause that’s why her character in the film sings. And then she said she also listened to a lot of Marilyn Monroe because she loved her singing voice being like beautiful and charismatic and sensual. And it really made her appreciate what an art singing is. And then she compared it to when she was training for Charlie’s Angels and she went to see Cirque de Soleil. It was like the same feeling like watching all of their strength and stamina made her realize their beauty and power. And she’d always run away from the physical because she was much more about the emotional.
Anne (37m 59s):
Yeah. And I put a little heart by that. Yeah,
Ashley (38m 1s): You like that one.
Anne (38m 4s): I understand.
Ashley (38m 5s):
Yeah. You know, I’ve probably always been that way up until a few years ago when I really started getting into yoga and working out. Yeah. And it was suddenly like, whoa, this is weird. This has so like not been part of my life and now I love it.
Anne (38m 16s):
Yep.
Ashley (38m 16s):
So I get it.
Anne (38m 18s):
Yep.
Ashley (38m 18s):
Then this is a theme that’s come up so many times when we do these articles, they talk about her feeling unattractive or out of place and if that was maybe like something that she took into Never Been Kissed, which is you know, very astute and correct. Yeah. And Drew said, whatever world you’re in, you can feel really vulnerable, especially if you’re out of place. Awkward, uncomfortable in your skin, exposed in any way saying what’s wrong with me. Which she definitely still says
Anne (38m 48s):
Yes.
Ashley (38m 48s):
And then this is just a really sad but lovely quote. You’re vaguely aware that people have this idea of something that’s correct and beautiful and pristine and graceful, but you’re something other. I was like, oh Drew hard to hear those things in a different way. Yep. The author asks if it was especially difficult as a kid because like it’s hard enough just be a regular kid, let alone, you know, making E.T. Et cetera. Yeah. And Drew said, as her therapist says, shit slides downstream. When you’re a kid, you just feel like shit facing this weird little battlefield you have to walk through in order to just earn your space. But that’s cool because we all have to go through it.
Ashley (39m 29s):
She’s asked if she has any regrets about that time in her life and she says no. Like it’s hard not to have regrets because you wanna be like this unscarred beautiful, pristine, virginal perfect being that has no emotional scars.
Anne (39m 41s):
Ugh. I love this whole thing.
Ashley (39m 43s):
I know. But then she says, your baggage is what makes you who you are. You have to embrace it otherwise you end up kicking and screaming about something you can’t change. And that’s making me laugh because we just referenced her dad being like, kick the bag. And she’s like, you can’t dad. And they’re talking about, you know, she’s done all these things in her life. She’s only just turned 30, just like you mentioned in the other article. Yep. And it like, is that amazing? And she says it is, but she’s always hard on herself. Of course she feels it’s not enough. She wants to do more. There’s very similar themes going on here. Yep. But this is cool. She said for the first time in her life she’s taking time off. She can look around and see what direction she wants to go in.
Ashley (40m 25s):
And then she says she has a little post-it on her window that says Stop and smell the roses because she’s not very good at doing that. And that made me think of her meditation closet with all the post-its on it that she currently has.
Anne (40m 37s):
Okay. It’s so funny ’cause I, I was thinking about Drew’s handwriting and how I can like, because I, we know it so well I can imagine it the writing saying Stop and smell the roses in her handwriting. Yeah. And I wasn’t even like picturing that amazing closet, which is the my computer’s desktop
Ashley (40m 54s):
That you look at
Anne (40m 56s):
Genuinely. Yes. She’s not just like saying that. I’m sure she really did have a post-it that says Stop and smell the roses.
Ashley (41m 2s):
Oh a hundred percent.
Anne (41m 5s):
So great.
Ashley (41m 6s):
Then she’s asked if she’s going on holiday and she says that her friend’s going to Greece, but she’ll probably end up on the deck drinking white wine and reading. And then she says she loves to explore so she’ll go off and just like do something by herself alone, which is so cool. And then of course she’s asked like if that independence is something that she learned as she got older or what she said that when she was growing
up, kids that had a strong family unit seemed to be more independent because they knew they could like leave the nest and then come back and it would still be there. But she always felt scattered. So she was intimidating about going places on her own. And of course she had her own apartment when she was 14, has been living on her own ever since.
Ashley (41m 46s):
But it wasn’t until her twenties that she would travel by herself because that’s sort of like when she decided if she wanted to do something she was just gonna go do it instead of waiting for someone else, which feels very like Ever After.
Anne (41m 58s):
Yep.
Ashley (41m 59s):
And then she said she loves eating alone and going to the movies by herself too. And I feel like she still talks about eating alone a lot. Like it’s something she really likes to do.
Anne (42m 7s):
Yeah.
Ashley (42m 7s):
I kind of like it too. Especially if I have something to read. I’m not, I have no problem with it.
Anne (42m 12s):
Yeah.
Ashley (42m 13s):
She’s asked if she remembers the first film she saw on her own and she says, not the movie itself, but she remembers the experience. She was in New York, she was about 11. She walked to the theater, sat down and had a cigarette while she watched it.
Anne (42m 28s):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s right. You heard that right? She had a cigarette in the theater
Ashley (42m 34s):
Like I know indoors.
Anne (42m 35s):
Right. It was okay then somehow
Ashley (42m 38s):
And the interviewer says, oh you were so wild. And Drew says, I know. And I loved it.
Anne (42m 43s):
And
Ashley (42m 43s):
Then she’s like, I think every kid wanted to be you growing up. And Drew said, that’s funny because I was a prime example of what not to be.
Anne (42m 50s):
Yeah. I thought that was great.
Ashley (42m 52s):
But the interviewer said, when you’re young you feel like you only have a few years to be wild. And Drew said, yeah, but it led her to have a solid work ethic because you know, and she said this a lot, even though that there was this time where people thought she wasn’t professional, that like really bothered her because no matter what was going on in her personal life, it didn’t affect her work. Like she still always was there and dependable for work. The interviewer kind of points out that a lot of people who have addictions or go to rehab, they have to like completely abstain afterward and be opposite of who they were. And Drew said she doesn’t like the all or nothing. She tries to find the happy medium. She loves working out and sweating and then having a beer. I like that she says, I love learning and laughing, exercising, then doing things you’re not supposed to.
Ashley (43m 38s):
I love going to rock shows and slamming a shot down and screaming at the top of my lungs. That is so much fun. Halloween is my favorite holiday because you get to be the freak that you really are and celebrate it. We should have more days like that. But then I also like the diligent business, the work ethic, turning up on time and being professional. Yeah,
Anne (43m 56s):
I love that whole thing. ’cause it was just like, yeah, the dichotomies of Drew Barrymore.
Ashley (44m 3s):
Yep. And then they point out like, Hey, the public perception of you changed at one point from this out of control girl to this a-list celebrity who has everything under control and how did that happen? And Drew says, oh, I know exactly how that happened. She realized she left her job, she appreciated it. She, she didn’t wanna see those things taken away from her. Nobody was like calling her for roles and she knew she had to
take on responsibility and make the films herself that were more challenging. She’s like, well what films were we talking about? And she’s like, Amy Fisher, Poison Ivy. She realized she wasn’t a little girl anymore and needed to do more mature roles. And then she realized how much she loved the whole process of this making movies, casting, writing, directing all of it.
Ashley (44m 45s):
And she wanted to be a part of it. And that of course she set up Flower Films,
Anne (44m 50s):
Ta-da.
Ashley (44m 51s):
Yeah. Her and Nancy hit the books and laid low, as you mentioned in your article.
Anne (44m 56s):
Yeah. I might have pulled hit the books from here.
Ashley (44m 58s):
Oh maybe. That’s so funny. But they have said that a lot. Yes. And like it felt like they were at college, they worked on screen, they met Adam Sandler and liked how he was doing his company. And then of course they got to do Never Been Kissed. And then Charlie’s Angels, right afterward, she said that was really intimidating. But we were like, we’re going to fucking do this and have fun with it. Absolutely. And then as we mentioned in our Donny Darko episode, which you can go back a couple episodes and listen to, after they did Charlie’s Angels and they had a blast and all that, they were like, okay, let’s go do something that’s small and not in the public eye.
Ashley (45m 39s):
Which is so fun that they had that range. I love that.
Anne (45m 42s):
Yep.
Ashley (45m 43s):
The interviewer says that she was probably more nervous about meeting Drew than most people ’cause she was such a hero of hers. And it was so cool when she turned up with her boyfriend and had, she says huge love bites, which I’m guessing are hickeys.
Anne (45m 56s):
That’s what I was thinking too.
Ashley (45m 58s):
And says it was the most rock and roll shoot I’ve done for years. And Drew says rock and roll? I feel like I’m just the biggest dork. I’ve got these big old boobs. I feel like I’m always about to fall over. I always say the wrong thing at the wrong time. Or I’m way too excited about things when everyone else is playing it. Cool. So it’s so funny to hear that I so do not see myself that way.
Anne (46m 21s):
Hahaha
Ashley (46m 21s):
That feels like a total constant. Like she definitely still talks about herself in that way as well. Yep,
Anne (46m 27s):
She does. And she, I think she genuinely feels it, you know?
Ashley (46m 31s):
Yeah, definitely. The interviewer says like, it was just such a great shoot, Fab was next door gambling, so who knows where they did this. They were all drinking pink champagne. And anyway, Drew said that Fab is the rock and roll one and she’s more like, I have to be professional. And he’ll go, fuck it babe, have some fun. But she said like he, when he was training her with singing, he worked really hard with her. He’s got like the balance of having fun and still being diligent.
Anne (46m 58s):
There we go.
Ashley (46m 59s):
And then this is cute. She’s asked, were you a fan of his? And she said, yeah, it’s sort of embarrassing. I was such a dumb ass when I met him. So she said she went up to him and was overly enthusiastic, like always. And it was just going on about loving the band and the music and how they’re so important. And inside her head she was saying, you blew it big time. Typical me, typical overdo it girl. So she walked away all embarrassed and watched him play and she’s just like, oh my God, even though that was so embarrassing, I gotta go find him. And she said something went right ’cause they’ve been together ever since and she loves him so much and had she not been brave enough to make a fool out of herself or take a risk, she wouldn’t have that in her life.
Ashley (47m 39s):
So fuck embarrassment.
Anne (47m 41s):
I love that.
Ashley (47m 42s):
I know. So good. And then she’s like, did he ask you out on a formal date? And Drew said, no, fuck that. I asked him out, I called him. Fearless Drew.
Anne (47m 52s):
I like this next thing.
Ashley (47m 53s):
She’s asked what her favorite color is and she said, the rainbow. Okay. That’s like so extremely lame, but I just love all colors.
Anne (48m 2s):
I feel like that answer feels like that’s what like a impersonator of Drew would say.
Ashley (48m 7s):
You’re so right. Like a parody of her would say that. Yeah, that’s very true. And she says Fab would have a field day teasing her about that. But it’s true. And she says she’s staring at a rainbow that she painted right then. And the lady says on your wall and she says, no, I painted it on my tape recorder actually. So there you go.
Anne (48m 29s):
But yeah, these are both fun articles. I love that it spans a year. It’s kind of an interesting little like drop into her life with Fab.
Ashley (48m 38s):
Yeah. And we have been, you know, really drawn to articles from mostly the nineties. So we, we sort of like told ourselves we needed to get out of that box and try something a little more recent. But of course this is not recent at all. 18 years,
Anne (48m 51s):
Only 19 years old.
Ashley (48m 56s):
But still we’re getting there. We’re we’re we’re coming forward in time.
Anne (48m 56s):
This is recent for us, but yeah. But also, yeah, I think it was like seeing these images. I think you were just reviewing 2005 again and you’re like, you know what, these are rad. Yeah. This is a really good thing to put together. And I’m glad we did.
Ashley (49m 12s):
Me too. And hopefully the rest of you are as well. If you did like that you guys know what to do, you could go leave us a review on Apple Podcasts that we’ll read back on the air. I actually haven’t checked in a while. I wonder if we have any new ones. Hmm. Ooh, maybe somebody should go do it before I even look. And then go follow us on Instagram @howdoyoudrewpod where we post pictures related to the episodes we do little reels with, you know, video components to go along with what we talk about. And you can also follow us @drewseum for other stuff. Like your opinions on rankings of Drew’s films.
Anne (49m 49s):
You can get really into all the little niche stuff that we get into over there. Also make sure to visit our website at How Do You Drew dot com, hosted on the OG the Drewseum. Make sure you follow us or subscribe as a patron on Patreon slash How Do You Drew. And also send us listener mail to How Do You Drew [email protected]. And my question to take us out today is, what’s your third favorite color?
Ashley (50m 18s):
So pink’s my favorite Gold is second. Yep. Probably,
Anne (50m 24s):
I don’t know why I do this to you.
Ashley (50m 28s):
A yellow.
Anne (50m 29s):
Hmm.
Ashley (50m 29s):
I don’t know, like pale. I like, like pastels, like pale, pretty much any pale color I’m kind of into.
Anne (50m 38s): Okay.
Ashley (50m 38s): That’s my vibe.
Anne (50m 39s):
So my first two blue and green are vying for my attention all the time now. Yeah. And I’m actually starting to like orange, oddly
Ashley (50m 48s):
Enough. Yeah. I have come around a little bit on, or in fact right now my nails are orange, which is so weird, but it has to be like a certain shade.
Anne (50m 56s):
Yeah. For me it’s like dark almost like, well not brick, ’cause brick burnt is red, like burnt orange. Yeah. Like I’m into that. It’s not just ’cause it’s fall, but I’m feeling burnt orange as my third favorite color right now.
Ashley (51m 10s):
Oh, well you’re getting your nails done tomorrow. So I’m excited to see what you end up doing.
Anne (51m 15s):
Yeah. And we’ll talk about why I am getting all fancy next week.
Ashley (51m 19s):
Ooh, that’s a good
Anne (51m 20s):
Tea. All everyone,
Ashley (51m 21s):
You definitely wanna come back.
Anne (51m 24s):
We’ll see you next Drewsday.
Ashley (51m 26s):
All right, sounds good. Thanks everybody.
Anne (51m 29s):
Thank you. Bye-Bye. This episode of the How Do You Drew podcast was researched and produced by Ashley and Anne from thedrewseum.com with help from our sponsor, Positive Medium.
Ashley (51m 51s):
Special thanks to Matt Costa for our lovely theme song, Roxy Prima, for our adorable logo. And last but not least, Drew, Barrymore and all the Drewbies who love her, we do this for you. Thank you.